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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road May 9, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. CASSIDY HERE, MR. JEFFRIES.
AND HE DID, UM, NOTIFY US THAT HE WOULDN'T BE TONIGHT.
UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, UH, APPROVE MR. JEFFREY'S ABSENCE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIAS NEXT ON THE AGENDAS, CITIZENS COMMENTS? THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENT NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE WITH THE COURT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
UH, I ASK IF YOU, WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM TO TALK, TO, SIGN IN ON A SIGNING SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A REPLAT, THE APPLICANT, CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, LLCS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPLAT OF IN LOTS 17 1 13 AND 1738, LOCATED IN THE WYNBROOK SUBDIVISION.
SECTION THREE, PHASE ONE RP 23 DASH 10.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON SORELL, CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPLAT OF JUST UNDER, UH HA, UH, HALF AN ACRE TO CREATE A CALL TO SAC AND THEN DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT CALL TO S SAC.
UH, THE PROPOSED REPLAT MEETS ALL THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
IT'S AT THE, UH, TERMINATE OF BUTTERCUP DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST HAS INDICATED TO, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT THERE'S NO INTEREST IN SELLING THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN A NATURAL EXTENSION OF THE, OF THE SUBDIVISION HEADING WEST, OR EXCUSE ME, HEADING EAST.
UH, THEREFORE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MODIFIED, OR A, JUST A, I GUESS, A SEMICON, CONVENTIONAL CUL-DE-SAC, UH, TO FACILITATE TURNAROUND FOR VEHICLES, EMS, FIRE, ET CETERA.
UM, THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED WOULDN'T PRECLUDE A FUTURE EXPANSION, UH, IN, AT SOME POINT WHEN THE NEW, THE NEXT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UH, MAY BE, UH, INTERESTED IN, IN SELLING.
UM, SO AS I SAID, STAFF, UH, THE ENGINEERING HAS APPROVED, THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED.
THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. BARRIO? UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WANT TO OPEN THAT ROAD UP, THAT WILL STILL BE A POSSIBILITY.
OR IS THAT, UH, CUL-DE-SAC GOING TO ELIMINATE THE NO, THERE IS, THERE WON'T BE ANY DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THIS.
SO THE ROAD COULD BE PUSHED FORWARD AT, AT SOME FUTURE POINT IN TIME IF THE, UH, IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER, THAT NEW PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DECIDE TO SELL.
IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE, UH, EXTENDING BUTTERCUP TO THE EAST.
IT JUST FACILITATES EASIER TURNAROUND.
AND, AND THE CIRCLE PART IS NOT GOING ONTO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THOSE LITTLE HALF MOONS WILL BECOME PUBLIC, UH, RIGHT AWAY, UM, JUST LIKE A TRADITIONAL CUL-DE-SAC WOOD.
THEY WILL BE, BUT WHAT ARE THEY RIGHT NOW? THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED LOTS AT THE MOMENT.
MR. CASSIDY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE TWO LOTS HERE WILL STILL BE VIABLE AS FAR AS HOME BUILDING A HOME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.
THE, UH, UH, MR. CONWAY HAS A PRODUCT THAT ACTUALLY HAS KIND OF A SETBACK GARAGE.
SO THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THE RHYTHM, UM, WILL, WILL KEEP, WILL MAINTAIN DOWN BUTTERCUP, SO IT WON'T LOOK, UH, OUT OF PLACE.
THE GARAGE WILL BE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? EVENING? KEN CONWAY CARRIES TRAILS AND WINDBROOK.
UM, YET THESE LONG TIME AGO WE CAME THROUGH FOR THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, WE USED THESE TWO LOTS TO CREATE A HAMMERHEAD.
SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM THE CITY, THERE WAS A APPROVED PLAN THAT JUST
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SHOWED THE STREET DEAD INNING AT THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE, IN OUR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.WORKING WITH SCOTT AT THE TIME, WE DID TURN, WE NEEDED A TURNAROUND THERE, SO WE USED THEM, HAD 'EM GRAVELED OUT, AND JUST HAD A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND THERE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY ACCESS.
OVER THE YEARS, ONCE THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST SOLD, WE REALIZED THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY PRESENTLY WITH THIS OWNER TO EXTEND THE ROAD.
WORKED WITH AARON TO COME UP WITH THIS IDEA.
WE'LL EITHER DO A SIDE ENTRY GARAGE OR A SETBACK GARAGE, BUT SOMEHOW WE'LL MAINTAIN THE STREETSCAPE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES, THERE'LL STILL BE ALIGNMENT OF THE HOMES.
AND IN THE FUTURE, IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES THAT WE, WE JUST BUST OUT THE BACK END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND EXTEND IT THROUGH.
I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
I WAS SITTING BACK THERE, JOTTING MY NOTES DOWN.
I'VE BEEN COMING IN HERE AND GIVING YOU 130 LOTS A YEAR, 150 LOTS A YEAR.
THIS YEAR, WE'VE JUST COULD DEPLETED OUR INVENTORY.
SO THE LAST STREET THAT YOU ALL PROVED UP AT THE VERY NORTH END OF CARRIAGE TRAILS, HALF OF THAT STREET IS, HAS LOTS THAT THE BACK 25 FEET OR ARE IN, UH, OUT OF THE CITY.
SO THEY'RE STILL IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THAT WHOLE STREET'S UNSELLABLE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE SOLD THROUGH 20 LOTS THIS YEAR.
OUT OF THE 1,520 LOTS WE'VE DEVELOPED, WE'VE SOLD 1,460 OF 'EM.
SO WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, INVENTORY'S REALLY COMING DOWN.
WE'VE GOT THAT SECTION WE'RE WORKING IN, AND THEN SECTION TWO, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF RED BUCKEYE, WHICH STILL HAS CONSTRUCTION ON IT.
SO WE'RE HOPES THAT, UH, SOMETHING MOVES FORWARD ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN SELL MORE LOTS.
WE'VE STILL GOT MOMENTUM, STILL GOT GOOD TRAFFIC, UH, STILL WORKING WITH RYAN HOMES WITH FISHER HOMES, AND, UH, THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO DO MORE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AS AS WE ARE.
SO HOPEFULLY SEE YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CONAWAY? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY FOR APPROVAL OF A REPLAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 52 44 AND 52 51 BUTTERCUP DRIVE RP 23 DASH 10 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 24TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. CASSIDY? UH, SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. VAGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CERRO? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT, UH, REVISED, UM, DRAWINGS FOR US, UH, TO BE APPROVED BY ENGINEERING AND THEN, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE ACTUAL PLATTING PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A REPLAT, THE APPLICANT DAN CROSS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REPLAT TO COMBINE TWO EXISTING LOTS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 84 89.
BE COURT OR BUTAL COURT, UH, RP 23 DASH 12 MR. CRELL.
OKAY, SO AS I SAID, THIS IS A, UH, EXCUSE ME, A PROPOSED LOT CONSOLIDATION.
THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO, UH, UH, CONSOLIDATE TWO LOTS INTO A SINGLE 1.6 ACRE LOT TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THE, UH, ZONING CODE DOES NOT PERMIT AN ACCESSORY, UH, LOT, OR EXCUSE ME, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A LOT WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THUS, UH, IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BUILD, UH, A LARGE GARAGE BARN, UH, THE COMBINATION'S REQUIRED, THE NEW LOT DOES CONFORM WITH THE R TWO ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND THE PRO PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MEETS ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THESE ARE THE LOTS THAT THE, IT'S THE LAST TWO AT THE END OF, UH, THE FEDERAL COURT.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, THERE'S THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE LOT TO THE LEFT.
UH, THERE'S A 40 BY 40 BARN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, THAT SITS BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AT SOME FUTURE POINT, IF THERE WAS EVER A DESIRE, THESE LOTS COULD BE
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RES SPLIT AND A HOUSE COULD BE BUILT IN FRONT OF THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WOULD EVER OCCUR, BUT IN ORDER FOR HIM TO OR THEM, THEY, TO FACILITATE THIS, UH, THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT A, UH, A REPLAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, HERE IS THE ACTUAL, UH, PLAT, THE FRONTAGE OF THE COMBINED LOTS ARE ABOUT THE SAME, UH, WIDTH AS THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO IT ISN'T GOING TO LOOK OUTTA PLACE.
UH, THESE ARE RATHER LARGE LOTS.
IT'S ALSO AT THE TERMINUS OF, UH, UH, THIS SUBDIVISION.
IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY, BUT IS, IS POSSIBLE FOR THAT ROAD TO BE, UH, EXTENDED EASTWARD.
BUT A NUMBER OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE STARTED TO, TO BUY UP SOME OF THAT LAND TO THE EAST.
UH, THE PROPOSED REPLAT MEETS ALL SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I WILL, UH, NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WENT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UH, FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THIS, THEY TURNED HIM DOWN.
UM, THIS IS THE ONLY RECOURSE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? SET EVERYTHING ON ONE SET.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? UH, PUBLIC PORTION.
EVERYBODY GOOD? IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? DAN CROSS FOR APPROVAL OF A REPLAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 84 89.
BE COURT, UH, RP 23 DASH 12 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S A MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 24TH, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THEIR TWO, MOVED BY MS. VAGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CLL? SO THE APPLICANT'S, UM, UH, SURVEYOR WILL GET TO GET A, UH, PLAT TO US TO, UH, FOR ALL SIGNATURES FOR RECORDING.
AND THEN, UH, YOU CAN MOVE FROM THERE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.
NOW DAYTON IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 7,700 BRANT PIKE MC 23 DASH 13 MR. CRELL.
SO THIS IS A, THIS CASE, UH, IS A MINOR CHANGE TO, UM, TO RELOCATE A NONCONFORMING ROOF SIGN.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO REPLACE AND RELOCATE.
UH, REALLY NOW JUST RELOCATE A NON-CONFORMING ROOF SIGN.
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS ON THAT STRUCTURE WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY REP, UH, APPROVE, UH, RELOCATIONS OF A NON-CONFORMING SIGN, UM, UNLESS A, THE APPLICANT WAR II JUST MOUNTED TO THE BUIL, UH, THE WEST BUILDING WALL.
UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE LATITUDE IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO, UH, TO, TO APPROVE SIGNS, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE STRICT, UH, CHAPTER 1189.
IT IS, UH, PART OF THE SULFUR, UH, GROVE SHOPPING CENTER.
WELL, IT'S PART OF THE ZONING AREA, THE SHOP SULFUR GROVE SHOPPING AREA.
THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THE, UH, PICTURE ON THE, UH, ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, UH, SIGN ON THE SOUTH, UH, WALL.
UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THAT SIGN BE RELOCATED TO THE WEST WALL ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, THE BUILDING IS A ONE STORY, UH, STRUCTURE WITH A TALL HIP ROOF, UM, BASED ON HISTORIC PHOTOS.
THIS BUILDING, OR ONE VERY SIMILAR, HAS BEEN ON THIS LOCATION SINCE THE SIXTIES.
UM, THE TWO EXISTING SIGNS ARE APPROXIMATELY 50 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH IS CONFORMING.
UH, THEY'RE MOUNTED TO THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND THEN THEREFORE MEET THE DEFINITION OF A ROOF SIGN.
THEY THEREFORE ARE NON-CONFORMING SIGNS DUE TO BEING MOUNTED ON THE ROOF.
UH, NON-CONFORMING SIGNS UNDER OUR CODE CANNOT BE RELOCATED, UH, EXCEPT TO MAKE THE SIGN LESS NON-CONFORMING.
UH, AND RELOCATING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE OTHER DOES NOT MAKE THE SIGN LESS NON-CONFORMING STAFF WOULD PREFER TO
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SEE THE NEW SIGN RELOCATED, UH, AND MOUNTED TO THE BUILDING WALL.UM, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND KIND OF THE, THAT LOW, UH, EVE, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS CONCERNED THAT THE SIGN WILL BE LESS VISIBLE MOUNTED TO THAT WALL.
IT WILL, IT WILL LOWER THE SIGN ROUGHLY SEVEN FEET OR SO.
SO, CHAPTER 11 89 0 5 GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, LATITUDE IN APPROVING SIGNS WITHIN PLANNING DEVELOPMENTS.
AS I SAID, UM, WE WOULD RATHER SEE THE SIGN RELOCATED TO THE BUILDING, BUT ARE RELOCATED TO THE BUILDING WALL.
BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO RELOCATING UP TO THE, UH, THAT WEST ROOF LOCATION.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EITHER, UH, APPROVE THE MINOR CHANGE TO THE SIGN LOCATION AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH WOULD, UM, NOT NECESSARILY INCREASE THE NON-CONFORMING, NON-CONFORMITY.
UH, BUT IT DOESN'T LESSEN IT, UH, APPROVE THE MINOR CHANGE WITH SOME CONDITIONS OR DENY THE, UH, THE MINOR CHANGE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
MS. BOHAM, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME THE RATIONALE FOR WHY NO SIGNS ON A ROOF? UH, IT, MOST CODES NOWADAYS PROHIBIT ROOF SIGNS.
IT'S REALLY FROM A TWO REASONS.
ONE, AESTHETICS, UH, AND THEN TWO, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE INSTALLED, THEY CAN, IF THEY'RE INSTALLED IMPROPERLY, THEY CAN COMPROMISE THE ROOF STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, MOST CODES, IT'S MORE OF AN AESTHETIC REASON.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN REASON THAT MOST COMMUNITIES PROHIBIT ROOF SIGNS.
OTHER THAN MOUNTING A CONFORMING SIGN ON THE WALL OF THE BUILDING, IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAT THIS SIGN COULD BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMING WITH THE CODE STANDARD? MAYBE NOT THIS SIGN, BUT A REPLACEMENT SIGN.
I MEAN, IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAN ON THE BUILDING WALL INEXPENSIVELY? LIKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THIS WAY? NO.
UM, I THINK YOU GET SIMILAR VISIBILITY MAYBE WITH A, A GROUND MOUNTED SIGN SOMEWHERE, UM, A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT THAT'S AN ADDED COST.
UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE BUILDING, UH, AND THE STRUCTURE, THERE REALLY AREN'T A LOT OF OPTIONS OTHER THAN TO MAINTAIN THAT SAME LEVEL OF VISIBILITY OTHER THAN MOUNTING IT ON THE, ON THE ROOF, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, JUST THE NATURE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, THE, THE HIP ROOF IS AS TALL AS THE, THE MAIN, THE FIRST FLOOR.
WHICH IS WHY I'M NOT SUPER OPPOSED TO THIS.
I ALSO HAVE A REAL HESITANCY TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NON-CONFORMING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NON-CONFORMING.
NOW, IF THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT WAS CONFORMING OR, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS NON-CONFORMING, I THINK I'D BE MORE INCLINED TO, BUT THIS REPLACEMENT IS JUST, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT AT ALL.
WHEN I DID TALK TO THE, THE SIGN OR EMAILED BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SIGN INSTALLER, HE DID FEEL THAT THE, THAT THE EXISTING SIGN PROBABLY COULD FIT WITHIN, WHOOPS, WITHIN, UH, ON ONE SIDE OF THE OTHER, OF THE, THE WIDTH WOULD FIT ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF THAT MASON AREA OVER THE, THE TWO SORT OF STORE WINDOWS, MS. THOMAS.
SO WHAT'S THE DESIRE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS NOW, TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE SIGN? UH, SO I WOULD, THE APPLICANTS HERE, YOU CAN POST THAT TO THEM, UM, TO, WHEN I DROVE BY, IT DIDN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE IT WOULD NECESSARILY IMPROVE OR, OR DETRACT FROM THE, UH, VISIBILITY.
ALTHOUGH THERE IS REALLY NOTHING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT INDICATES THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS.
I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH DAVID GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MOVING IT TO NON-CONFORMING, TO NON-CONFORMING KIND OF SETS OF PRECEDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT FOR THEM.
WHO ELSE IS GONNA COME TO US? I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STAY CONFORMING IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH WITHIN APPROVAL.
MS. MARGO, I, I GUESS I'M REALLY NOT CLEAR AS TO WHY THEY WANNA PUT IT ON THE FRONT THAT I KNOW YOU'VE, I CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, MY NAME IS MIKE PICKETT AND I REPRESENT SIGNS NOW.
UM, THE REASON THAT IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE IS THE TREES THAT ARE OUT IN THE PARKING, UH, THEY'RE QUITE MATURE
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AND, UH, VISIBILITY.THERE IS NO IDENTIFICATION IN THE FRONT.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THAT EVER HAPPENED, BUT, UM, THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE PARKING ARE 30 FOOT TALL TREES AND PRETTY WELL, PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED.
SO THEY WERE LOSING, THEY'RE COMING UP, UH, GOING NORTH OR SOUTH, YOU HAVE NO VISIBILITY TO SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WAS, UM, VISIBILITY.
UH, THE SIGN COULD GO IN THAT AREA.
UH, BUT IT'S, YOU CAN SEE THE TRUCK PARKED THERE, IT'S ALREADY UP TO WHERE THE SIGN WOULD BE.
SO PARKING WOULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SMALL COMPACT CARS, BUT A, A BIGGER TRUCK OR DEFINITELY A BOX TRUCK OR SOMETHING WITH, UH, AND I'M SORRY, I, I FORGOT WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? YOU ANSWERED IT FOR ME, BUT I DO HAVE, OKAY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN.
UM, OH, THE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT INTO, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, MOVING THIS SIGN OR, OR REPLACING THIS EXACT SIGN O OF ANY OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES PUTTING IT ON THE BUILDING? UH, WELL, THE, THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE, YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER THAN THE OTHER PICTURE, BUT THERE'S A DOOR AND THERE'S A BIG WINDOW.
SO THERE'S HORIZONTALLY, THERE'S SPACE, BUT IN THE SIGN BUSINESS, WE LIKE TO HAVE AREA AROUND THE SIGN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JAMMED UP THERE AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, WHICH THIS WOULD BE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF REPRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
SO, I, I BELIEVE THE CUSTOMER HAS A HARDSHIP JUST WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VEGETATION THAT'S GROWN OVER THE YEARS.
IT WASN'T SUCH A BIG DEAL YEARS AGO, BUT NOW IT IS.
SO, SO, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP.
DID, DID THE APPLICANT EVER, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS OWNER HERE SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO I HAVE TO BRING THIS INTO A CONFORMING STANDARD? DID, DID YOU GUYS RESEARCH THOSE OPTIONS? YEAH, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
AND I LIKE, UH, MR. SHELL SAID WE COULD PUT IT THERE ON THAT, PUT THE EXISTING SIGN SO THERE WASN'T A COST BURDEN AND, AND PUT IT ON.
BUT I JUST, I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS 40 YEARS AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD LOOK PUSHED MM-HMM.
PLUS IT'S ALWAYS IN THE SHADE.
IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A MONUMENT SIGN.
ARE THEY ALLOWED A MONUMENT SIGN OUT THERE? THE, YEAH, YOU COULD DO A MONUMENT SIGN UP TO SIX FEET, UH, UP TO SIX FEET TALL, BUT IT WOULD TAKE UP SOME OF THEIR PARKING LOT.
YEAH, YOU WOULD, THEY WOULD LIKELY LOSE, UH, PROBABLY A TR UH, IT WOULD, YES, THEY WOULD LOSE AT LEAST A, A PARKING STALL, IF NOT, UM, AND THAT WOULD CONFORM THEN IF THEY DID THAT, WE COULD, WE CAN WORK ON A SITE PLAN FOR THAT.
WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE GO BEFORE AN APPROVAL COMMITTEE TO GET THAT APPROVAL? TO CHANGE THE PARKING LOT? IF, UH, IF THIS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DESIGN A, UH, MONUMENT SIGN THAT MEETS CODE AND JUST WILL LET STAFF RUN WITH IT, WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY.
JANET'S QUESTION, MS. FARGO, CAN YOU TELL ME THE CONDITION OF THE SIGN ON THE ROOF NOW? IS IT BEING REPLACED BECAUSE IT'S NO.
IN BAD CONDITION, OR IS IT'S OKAY.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A MODERN TYPE SIGN.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAS THE NEWER LEDS, UH, WHICH ARE, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY ABOUT A EIGHTH OF WHAT SIGNS USED TO BE.
SO, UH, I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED INSIDE OF THE SIGN.
AND, BUT IT'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER AND AS AN, UH, AN APPROPRIATE SIGN AS FAR AS MY OPINION, AND I SEE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT REALLY NOT A LOT OF SPACE, BUT HAD, UH, MR. SORELL, IF THEY, WOULD THEY STILL BE IN CONFORMITY IF THEY ADDED A SIGN, KEPT THE ROOF SIGN, BUT ADDED ONE IN THE FRONT? GOOD QUESTION.
THEY ONLY HAVE ONE SIGN IF THEY, UH, IF THEY ADDED, UM, A SIMILAR SIZE SIGN TO THE WALL OR EVEN SMALLER.
OR EVEN SMALLER, UH, IF THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION OF, OF THE COMMISSION, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIVE WITH THAT.
OR, UH, IF YOU, THEY, THEY LET ME, IT'S, THEY WOULD NOT BE INCREASING THE NON-CONFORMITY BY ADDING A WALL SIGN.
AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
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ONE OF THE THINGS, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, WELL, AESTHETICS I THINK IS ALSO A, A CONCERN.UHHUH,
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, IT BECAME NON-CONFORMING TO NOT ALLOW IT UP ON THE ROOF.
I, I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THIS, BUT I'M JUST, IT, IT PROBABLY BECAME NON-CONFORMING IN THE LATE EIGHTIES.
WELL, SO THOSE SIGNS HAVE BEEN PROBABLY UP UPGRADED SINCE THE LATE EIGHTIES.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO A BROWN SIGN OR A MONUMENT SIGN, DO YOU HAVE, I WOULDN'T BE PRIVY FAR.
HOW, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO THEY HAVE? ARE, IS THAT GOING TO ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM? I, I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I DOUBT IT'S A, IT, SO, SO THE SIGN WOULD PROB SO IT'S A SIX FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SIDEWALK.
SO IF YOU, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING, BUT I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE RATIO IS.
CUZ IT'S MOSTLY, IT'S A LOT OF STORAGE AND, AND KIND OF JUST FLOOR RETAIL.
UM, I DON'T THINK THEY GET A TON OF WALK-IN TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING HERE FOR A PURPOSE.
SO, UM, I THINK WE COULD BE FLEXIBLE IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU WANT US TO, TO LOOK DEEPER INTO THAT.
UM, I FELT IT WAS BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THAN B Z A, BECAUSE I THINK THE HARDSHIP ARGUMENT IS, IS TOUGH TO MAKE.
UM, AND YOU AND THE, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS GREATER LATITUDE, UH, IN, IN HOW TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION THAN THE B Z A WOULD? WELL, THE, THE TREES ARE ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THEY ARE EITHER ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY OR PART OF THE, UM, WHAT'S THE RESTAURANT? UM, STOP EVANS, BOB, THE BOB EVANS, UM, SITE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARCEL, UH, DELINEATION.
SO, SO IN MY MIND, THE HARDSHIP WAS THAT THE TREES DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, I GUESS.
YEAH, THERE WERE, SO, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN THE SU SULFUR GROVE WAS, WAS DEVELOPED, THE TREES WERE THERE TO, TO SOFTEN THE PARKING LOT, UH, FOR BOB EVANS.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, CERTAINLY A GRAY CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, UH, SAME, SAME ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AT THE NEAR THE BANK.
I MEAN, THE TREES DO OBSCURE SOMEWHAT.
THE, THE SITE, THE SIGN AS YOU TRAVEL NORTHWARD ON, UH, ON BRAND.
I DON'T KNOW THE MENTALITY BEHIND WHY THEY WOULD PUT IT EAST, NORTH, AND SOUTH AND NOT ON THE FRONT.
TO ME, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE SIGN OVER THE DOOR AND THEN PEOPLE JUST SEE THE SIGN AND THEY'RE, THEY GO TO THE DOOR.
MAYBE THE ENTRANCE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDES AT, AT ONE POINT, OR, YEAH, I, I, I COULDN'T TELL.
I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE, UH, LOCATION.
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GO BACK TO ERBACHER OR WHOEVER IT IS, I, I SEE TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU TO BE IN CONFORMITY.
AND ONE OF THEM IS TO DO, TO ADD THE, UH, UH, MONUMENT SIGN.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO ADD ONE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE WALL.
PROVIDED THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF, WELL, AND EVEN SO YOU SAY THAT WE CAN HANDLE, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN WORK AROUND.
SO YEAH, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED ONE, UM, ONE MONUMENT SIGN AS WELL AS, UM, UH, SIGN A WALL, A WALL SIGN, OR LEAVE THE ROOF SIGN OR LEAVE THE ROOF.
IF THEY DON'T TAKE IT DOWN, THEY CAN LEAVE IT.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD HERE.
I'VE LIVED HERE A VERY LONG TIME.
WE WON'T SAY HOW LONG, AND I'M, HON I'M GONNA HONESTLY SAY I'VE NEVER NOTICED THAT ROOF SIGN.
SO TO ME, THE ROOF SIGN ISN'T DOING ANY GOOD.
I MEAN, I DRIVE BY THAT ALL THE TIME, SO I WOULD RATHER SEE MORE OF A GROUND SIGN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, AND GET US INTO CONFORMING, JUST MY OPINION.
OH, I, I REMEMBER THE OTHER QUESTION WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ROOF.
WE WOULD DO THIS IN CONCERT WITH THE ROOFING COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY LEAKS AND, AND, UH, THE PROPER COMPOUNDS.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING IN THE SIGN BUSINESS.
WE, WE DON'T PENETRATE A ROOF WITHOUT TALKING TO THE ROOF COMPANY.
SO WE WOULD BE IN CONCERT WITH THEM.
MR. CASSIE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S ALSO AN IDENTICAL SIGN TO THIS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS BUILDING, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
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NO, NO.AND THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE SIDE, WHAT THE UM, YEAH, I THINK THE NORTH SIDE IS THE ONE WITH THE WINDOWS AND THE SOUTH SIDE IS, YEAH.
SO THERE ARE A FEW WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A ROOF SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO NONCONFORMING SIGNS ON THE ROOF.
SO EVEN IF WE, EVEN IF WE GO WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN, WE'LL STILL HAVE A NONCONFORMING SIGN ON THE NORTHERN EDGE.
WELL, TWO, TWO SIGNS NORTH AND SOUTH.
SO THEN, YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE SIGNS WOULDN'T MOVE.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD WANNA DO AT, AT, UH, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD TAKE THEM DOWN.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, AREAS IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT THINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.
UH, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD QUALIFY AS BEING GRANDFATHERED.
UH, AND I JUST DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEM STAYING THERE SO LONG AS IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
NOW, IF IT'S ONE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE SIGN? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN.
SO THE, THE, THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WE'RE WANTING TO MOVE, IS IN THE BEST CONDITION, LOOKING AT THE SIGNS, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE NEWEST.
IT HAS A NEWER LOGO DESIGN AND, AND A LITTLE BRIGHTER COLOR.
THAT'S THE RENDERING THAT I'M LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD STIPULATE THAT IN YOUR, UM, DECISION THAT THE SIGN HAS TO BE IN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADJECTIVE YOU USED TO DESCRIBE IT, BUT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
UH, UH, OR, UH, WE COULD REFACE IT.
I MEAN, NOW I'M SELLING THE SIGN TO ERBACHER WHO ISN'T HERE TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES.
SO, SO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, WAS I WAS EMAILING YOU, OR NO, YOU WERE JIM, YOU WERE TALKING TO JIM.
SO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THEY WERE GOING TO MO, UH, REPLACE THE SIGN WITH ONE FROM THEIR TROY STORE, I BELIEVE, OR TIP CITY, WHICHEVER ONE.
AND, AND IT IS A NEWER VERSION.
UH, SO THEY WOULD REPLACE THE, THAT THEY WOULD REPLACE THE SIGN ON THE LE ON THE LEFT.
UM, AND THAT, THAT SIGN ON THE RIGHT IS ONE THAT THEY'RE BRINGING DOWN, I BELIEVE, FROM TIP CITY OR TROY, I THINK TROY.
UM, SO IT IS A NEWER VERSION, A NEWER MODEL, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S, THAT'S A RENDERING THAT'S NOT, HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT SIGN PICTURE OF THE SIGN.
YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT THE EMAIL IMPLIED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
WILL YOU PLEASE SIGN IN? SURE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH YOUR TIME, MAN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? EXCUSE ME.
UM, WHEN I'M GATHERING HERE, THE CONSENSUS IS, AND YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THE SIGNS THAT ARE THERE NOW CAN STAY, BUT WE'D RATHER SEE A SIGN EITHER A, A GROUND SIGN OR A SIGN MOUNTED TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IF THAT'S WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO PUT IT ON THE WALL.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THAT'S THE SITUATION, UH, BY US NOT MOVING THIS DECISION FORWARD, DOES THAT HAMPER THEM OR CAN WE FAST TRACK SOMETHING ELSE FOR 'EM IN THE PROCESS HERE? SO, SO I THINK IF YOU, IF, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH, UH, US WORKING ON AN ACCEPTABLE GROUND SIGN LOCATION, RATHER THAN BRINGING IT BACK AS A MINOR CHANGE, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE A GROUND AMOUNTED SIGN AND OR A WALL MOUNTED SIGN, OR A WALL MOUNTED SIGN, UH, THAT CAN FORM TO CHAPTER 1189.
WOULD YOU WOULDN'T BE, BROTHER, DO WE NEED TO
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DENY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW? SO I WOULD SAY, YEAH, THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT, UM, THE, THE APPROVAL WOULD BE, SO THE APPROVAL WOULD, THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE REMAINING R THE ROOF SIGN REMAINS, AND YOU ARE APPROVING A, A CONFORMING WALL SIGN AND A CONFORMING MONUMENT SIGN TO BE DETERMINED BY, IN CONFORMANCE WITH CHAPTER 1189.IS IT? AND, OR, OR THAT THAT'S UP ANDAL ANDA, UH, BONNIE OR, OR THE OTHER I'M SAYING, OR RIGHT.
BUT THE WAY HE SAID IT WAS BOTH.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE, I'M CLEAR ON YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL.
UH, IF YOU HAVE A PANEL TRUCK, IT'S GONNA OBSCURE IT.
I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST ALTERNATIVE, EITHER A WALL SIGN OR, UH, A MONUMENT SIGN THAT EFFECTIVELY, UM, PROVIDES VISIBILITY, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
SO WE'D WANT TO GO WITH OR NOT AND, OR, YEAH.
THAT MS. VAGA, UM, SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A SIGN ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THOSE TWO SIGNS STAY, THAT THEY ARE STILL IN CONFORMANCE, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A NONCONFORMANCE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF SIGNS BEING ADDED.
IS THAT GONNA BE AN ISSUE? NOT IF YOU SAY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, THE ONLY ISSUE OF THE, OF THE CONFORM OF THE NON-CONFORMITY IS THE, WHERE THEY'RE MOUNTED, MOUNTED ON THE ROOF.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS, AS FAR AS THE SIGN, THE DESIGN, UM, IS FINE.
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MOUNTED ON THE ROOF IS THE NONCONFORMITY.
BUT IF WE ADD A SIGN, IS THAT GOING TO PUT THEM IN NONCONFORMANCE IN ANOTHER AREA OF SIGNAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGE? NO.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
UM, WHAT IT DOES DO IS, I THINK MAKE IT HELPS, UM, AS, AS THESE SIGNS AGE OUT, IT, UH, ALLOWS US TO MAKE THE BETTER ARGUMENT THAT THEY SHOULD BE REMOVED AS THEY AGE OUT TO LESSEN THE NONCONFORMITY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT VERBIAGE IN YOUR HEAD ONE MORE TIME? AND I'LL CALL ON, I'LL CALL ON YOU HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? SIGNS NOW, DAYTON, FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 7,700 BRANT PIKE MC 23 DASH 13, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED 2023 IN THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD STATING MR. CRELL, UM, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE THAT THE, UH, EXISTING ROOF SIGNS CANNOT BE RELOCATED.
UH, TWO, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP, UM, A GROUND MOUNTED SIGN OR, UH, WALL SIGN THAT CONFORMS WITH CHAPTER 1189.
AND I'LL, I'LL DIG, I'LL DIG THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT AFTERWARDS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. CASSIDY? UH, SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL JUST A SECOND, MS. THOMAS AND MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME.
CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? SO, SO THE, YOU VOTED YES, BUT YOUR NO.
TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, SO, BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY NO, YOU SAID I AMENDED.
WE GO AHEAD, MR. SORELL IN THE AMENDMENT.
SO WHAT THE AMENDED MOTION, UH, DOES, IS DIRECTS, UM, YOU AND I TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THE WALL SIGN OR GROUND SIGN WORK.
OKAY? I UNDERSTAND WHEN THAT, WITHOUT HAVING TO, WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
I SHOULDN'T YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION.
NO, I THINK THAT'S, YOU'RE FINE.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND
AND THEN ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS THAT SAME THOUGHT.
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, EXCUSE ME, IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAY IN THE APPLICANT SKILL AND GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, EXCUSE ME, FOR 3.03 ACRES TO DEVELOP A SHEETS RESTAURANT AND CONVENIENCE STORE, INCLUDING A FUELING CENTER.PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 82 45 BRANT PIKE, D D P 23 DASH 11, MR. CAU, EXCUSE ME.
SO, UM, BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT RECEIVED, THEY'VE SUBMITTED, UM, SOME SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, INFORMATION, WHICH I HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION, MAINLY, UH, REGARDING LANDSCAPING.
SO, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE SITE IS THREE POINT, UH, JUST OVER THREE ACRES.
THE, THE ZONING IS NOW PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
THE EXISTING LAND USES IS AGRICULTURE.
UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE.
AND AGRICULTURE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON APRIL 24TH OF THIS YEAR.
SO NOW THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 6,138 SQUARE FOOT SHEETS RESTAURANT AND CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE FUELING CENTER.
SO THIS IS THE SITE AT THE CORNER OF EXECUTIVE AND, UH, BRANT PIKE ON THE, THE SOUTHEAST COR SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S LARGELY, UH, NEARLY IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED.
UH, AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, LEFT TURN ENTRANCE, UH, ON NORTHBOUND, UH, FROM BRANT, AS WELL AS A TURNING LANES ON EXECUTIVE, UH, INTO THE, THE SITE.
SO THERE ARE TWO ENTRANCES TO THE SITE.
ONE ON EXECUTIVE, ONE ON BRANT.
THERE ARE EIGHT FUELING PUMPS, UH, FUELING STATIONS, EXCUSE ME, OR FOUR FUELING FUELING CENTERS, UH, COMPARED TO THREE, UH, THAT DOWN THE STREET AT OLD TROY PIKE.
OTHERWISE, UH, THEY'RE NEARLY IDENTICAL.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING, UM, UM, PROPOSAL, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, UH, STREET TREES, UH, HOLLY AROUND THE, UH, THE PERIMETER, UM, TURF GRASS, UM, ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE.
THESE ARE THE, UH, BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UH, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WELL AS IDENTICAL TO WHAT IS BEING, UH, CONSTRUCT UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE.
UH, ON THE SIGN APPLICATION, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS NOT DETAILED IS THE, UH, MADE TO ORDER SIGN THAT IS INCLUDED IN MY CALCULATION OF THE SIGN, UM, SIGN SIZE, BUT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, CALCULATION.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED, UH, DOWN THE STREET AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATION, SO THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH MIXTURE OF BRICK STONE CLADDING, GLAZING, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UM, METAL OVERHANGS.
SO THERE WERE, UH, SIX CONDITIONS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOUR OR FIVE THAT ARE, UH, RELATED TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, ONE, THE SIDEWALKS BE PROVIDED ALONG THE LENGTH OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, THAT THE DD THE DE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN DOES ILLUSTRATE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS, UH, ALONG THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, FRONTAGE, INCLUDING, UH, PAST OR AS FAR WEST AS WE CAN GET WITH THE, UM, RETENTION POND.
UH, AND THEN AS WELL AS FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BRANT PIKE.
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANT IN OUR CITY.
SUBDIVISION CODES, UH, TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT IS, SHOULD I OR WILL IDENTIFY AND LOCATE ALL EXISTING TREES, UH, THAT HAVE OVER A, UH, A FOUR INCH, UH, DIAMETER, UH, WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE SITE PLANE INDICATED FOUR OF THOSE TREES THAT HAD A FOUR INCH, UH, DIAMETER GREATER.
ONE TREE WAS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND THREE ALONG RAMP PIKE.
UM, A LONG RAMP TYPE, A LONG BRAND PIKE, TWO OF THOSE TREES ARE GONNA IMPEDE CONSTRUCTION AND SHOULD BE REMOVED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE A 24 INCH.
UH, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE A SILVER MAPLE, UH, THAT IS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, DUE TO CONCERN WITH SAFETY AND VISIBILITY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT PLANT ADDITIONAL STREET TREES ALONG, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT AT THAT, AT TOTAL AT LEAST 24 INCHES IN CUMULATIVE DIAMETER.
THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REVISED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT DOES SUCH.
UH, SO INSTEAD OF JUST PLANTING THE STREET TREES, UH,
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ALONG ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WILL CONTINUE THE STREET TREES WESTWARD, UH, IN FRONT OF THE RETENTION POND THAT, UH, WILL BE ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY.IN ADDITION, THEY ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, LEAVE SOME OF THAT EXISTING TREE LINE TO THE SOUTH.
I THINK WE'LL WORK WITH THEM, UH, AS WE REFINE THE, THE PLANS OR AS WE GO THROUGH CONSTRUCTION ON THE SOUTH EDGE.
I'M NOT SURE EVERY ONE OF THE TREES IS WORTH SAVING.
UH, SO WE WILL WANT TO DETERMINE AT, AT THE CONSTRUCTION TIME, WHICH ONES ARE HEALTHY AND, AND WORTH SAVING, WHICH ONES SHOULD JUST BE RUBBED OUT AND REMOVED AS PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION, UH, AREA.
WHAT I WANT TO AVOID IS HAVING, UH, OVERGROWN, UM, CONSERVATION AREAS THAT LOOK TERRIBLE LIKE WE HAVE IN THAT AREA.
IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO, UM, TO WORK, WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS.
THE THIRD CONDITION OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS THAT THE APPLICANT MITIGATE THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF ANY CHANGES TO THE DECORATIVE MEDIANS ON BRANT PIKE.
UM, THE ONLY IMPACT TO THE DECORATIVE MEDIAN IS, UH, ONE TREE WOULD BE REMOVED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THAT TREE BE, UH, REPLACED THE, UH, MEDIANS ALONG BRANT PIKE.
THE DECORATIVE FEATURE, UM, IS NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY, UH, BY THIS, UH, BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, FOURTH, THAT STREET TREES BE, BE PROVIDED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND PLACED AT 40 FEET ON CENTER.
SO THE TREES ARE PLACED, UH, AT A MINIMUM OF 40 FEET ON CENTER IN MOST IN THE OVERWHELMING, UH, AREA.
MAJORITY, THE ONLY VARIANCES ARE WHERE THE PLANTINGS ARE GONNA INTERFERE WITH, UH, UTILITIES OR, UH, SIGHT LINES AT INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO STAFF IS, IS FINE WITH WHERE THEY'RE, UM, BEING PROPOSED.
LASTLY, AT THE SIGN, UH, MEET THE CH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1189, UNLESS OTHERWISE, TO PROVE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1189.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, UM, I MENTIONED THAT THERE IS, UH, UH, SO FAR AS OTHER ZONING REQUIREMENTS ON LANDSCAPING, THERE ARE, UH, SOME GAPS BETWEEN THE TREES.
THE LARGEST IS, UH, 90 FEET, BUT THAT'S NEAR UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND DRIVE, UH, DRIVEWAY SIGHT LINES.
STAFF FEELS THAT THE LAND THAT THE LANDSCAPING ARRANGEMENT FOR THE STREET TREES IS ACCESSIBLE, IS ACCEPTABLE.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT REVISED A LANDSCAPING PLAN ILLUSTRATES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE STREET TREES ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAN THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
UM, THE PERIMETER PARKING AREAS, THEY ARE PROPOSING A SERIES OF HEDGEROWS PLANTING BEDS, SOD, UM, AND, UH, PERIMETER TREES THAT, THAT MEET THE LANDSCAPING CODE.
UH, THE PARKING AREAS WILL ALSO HAVE, UH, PERIMETER PLANTINGS OF JAPANESE HOLLY, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS APPROVED, UH, DOWN THE STREET.
UH, I MENTIONED THIS IS THE REVISED, UH, LANDSCAPE CODE OR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALONG THE PARKING AREAS, UH, ESPECIALLY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, HEDGEROWS AND, AND HOLLY THAT WILL HELP BREAK UP, UH, AND, AND SCREEN, UH, A LOT OF THE HEADLIGHTS AS FAR AS LIGHTING.
THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN SUBMITTED SHOWS THAT THERE, UH, THERE IS NO LIGHT TRESPASS FROM THE SITE ONTO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE PARKING AREAS ARE ILLUMINATED TO CODE, UH, THE POLE HEIGHTS AND THE LUMINARY TYPES MEET THE ZONING CODE.
THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN INDICATES THAT ALL STORAGE AND DUMPSTER, AIR DUMPSTER AREAS ARE ENCLOSED AND SCREENED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THE, THE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DID NOT, UH, CALL OUT, UH, ON THIS SITE, ON THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, THE ACTUAL RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S THE SAME BUILDING THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED DOWN THE STREET.
UH, AND SO AT THE BROAD REACH, THE RETAIL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA, THE RETAIL FLOOR AREA WAS, UH, ROUGHLY 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
WE ASSUME THAT THIS WILL BE SIMILAR AT THIS SITE.
UH, SO THE CODE REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 28 SPACES, AS WELL AS, UH, EIGHT STACKING SPACES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THIS SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATES 42 SPACES, UH, AND ROOM TO STACK EIGHT VEHICLES BEHIND THE ORDERING BOARD.
UM, THIS HAS MORE PARKING AND EASIER PARKING, OR, AND BETTER STACKING THAN, THAN THE BROAD REACH SITE.
IT HAS BETTER STACKING THAN BROAD REACH SITE.
SLIGHTLY LESS PARKING, BUT, UH, IT MEETS THE CODE.
AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE, I SAID THE BUILDING IS CLAD WITH A MIXTURE OF BRICK, STONE, UH, AND GLASS.
UM, THE FUELING CANOPY SUPPORTS ARE PARTIALLY IN BRICK, BRICK MATCHING THE MAIN
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BUILDING, UH, AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AND INTENT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE.UH, HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS AGAIN, UH, THE, UH, STONE WATER COURSE, BRICK STANDING ROOM, UH, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, AS WELL AS, UH, DECORATIVE GLAZING, OUTDOOR SEATING, OTHER, UH, ZONING OR CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 213 SQUARE FOOT FOOTAGE OF SIGNAGE.
UH, IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE BROAD STREET.
UM, THE BROAD REACH, UM, PROJECT, MAINLY BECAUSE THE GROUND SIGN IS AT SIX FEET, UH, TALL.
IT'S, IT, IT MEETS CODE, UH, WALL SIGNS.
SO THE CODE SUGGESTS 150 SQUARE FEET OF WALL SIGNAGE AND NO MORE THAN FOUR WALL SIGNS.
THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS SHOW FIVE WALL SIGNS THAT TOTAL, UH, APPROXIMATELY 117 SQUARE FEET.
SO LESS WALL SIGNAGE THEN, UH, IS, IS ALLOWED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE CANOPY SIGNS WITH A TOTAL, UM, AREA OF 65 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH MEETS CODE.
UH, AND THEN THE GROUND SIGN IS, UH, ONE SIX FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR SIGN CODE OF ABOUT 31, UM, SQUARE FEET.
UH, IN THE DRAWINGS, THE, UH, THE, THE MONUMENT SIGN IS MISLABELED AS A PULSE SIGN.
SO I'VE ASKED THEM TO, UM, CORRECT THAT ON THE DRAWINGS.
THERE'S ALSO VARIOUS DIRECTIONAL SIGNS IN ORDERING BOARDS, UH, THAT STAFF FIELDS ARE, UM, WELL PLACED.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SIGN PACKAGE.
THERE ARE, UM, FOUR BUILDING SIGNS, UH, AND THEN THREE, UM, FUELING CANOPY SIGNS, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS CON IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, UH, DOWN THE STREET.
UM, THE ONE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ONE SIGN THAT WAS NOT, UH, ENUMERATED IN THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, WAS THE MA THE MTO, THE MADE TO ORDER SIGN.
BUT WITH ALL, UH, WALL SIGNS, THE AGGREGATE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, STILL IS BELOW WHAT THE CODE SUGGESTS.
SO THE RENDERING OF THE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, AS WELL AS A RENDERING OF, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE CANOPY SIGNS, AS WELL AS THE CANOPY SUPPORT BRACKETS OR SUPPORT POLES, AND THEN BRICK CLADDING.
SO, UH, AS OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TURN LANES, UM, BOTH WITH THIS BODY AND, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE PROPOSED BRANT TUR, THE BRANT PIKE TURN LANE, THE, UH, THEY SUBMITTED CONS, UM, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRUCTION, UH, DOCUMENTS TO US YESTERDAY.
UH, THE LEFT TURN LANE WIDTH IS IDENTICAL TO THE EXISTING LEFT TURN WIDTH THAT GOES FROM RAMP PIKE TO, UH, ONTO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THAT'S A 10 FOOT WIDE, UH, TURN LANE.
THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM BRANT ONTO THIS SITE IS ALSO 10 FEET.
UM, TALKED TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND HE'S APPROVED THOSE PLANS.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF 10 FOOT TERM LANES.
IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH ODOT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LEFT TURN LANE GOING INTO THE BRANT PIKE DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT IS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET LONG.
SO THAT'S STACKING FOR ABOUT, UM, THREE OF JIM'S TRUCKS.
FOUR NORMAL CARS, FOUR OR FIVE NORMAL CARS.
UH, ALONG AS WITH A, UH, A 50 FOOT, UH, TAPER LANE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE TURN LANE FURTHER NORTH ONTO EXECUTIVE IS, IS ALSO 10 FEET WIDE.
THE DECORATIVE, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE RAMP, PIKE MEDIAN, UH, START JUST TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST OF THIS, OR I SHOULD SAY END OR START, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION YOU ARE.
UH, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE IMPACTED.
UH, THE, THIS IS THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE, UH, OFF OF EXECUTIVE.
THE X IS WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, A, A NEW TREE PLANTED IN THE, IN THE NEW, UH, WHAT'S THE REMAINDER OF THAT MEDIAN AREA.
SO AS FAR AS THE OVERALL ANALYSIS, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION CONFORMS WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN GENERALLY CONFORMS TO ALL RELEVANT ZONING REGULATIONS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, PARKING, THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, AND THE SIGNS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS LIMITING OUTDOOR, UH, SALES AND DISPLAYS TO THE EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL.
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THE FUEL CA, UH, CANOPY, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, UH, AT THE BROADREACH SITE AS A RESULT OF I THINK KROGER, WHO WAS WANTING TO DO MORE OUTDOOR STORAGE.UM, SO THIS HAS BECOME MY OUTDOOR, UH, STORAGE, UH, CONDITION FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS STATIONS.
SO IT IS THE STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 9 HAVE BEEN MET.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON, UM, FOR THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON, UH, APRIL 17TH.
UH, SO WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT FORMED TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED ON APRIL 24TH, UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL REPLACE THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, MEDIAN TREE.
THE APPROVED LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE THE UPDATED PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UH, TODAY, UH, MAY 9TH, UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN UPDATED SIGN PLANS CORRECTLY, INDICATING THAT IT'S A MONUMENT SIGN AND CORRECTED WALL SIGN CALCULATIONS.
UH, AND THE LASTLY, THAT OUTDOOR SALES, STORAGE, OR DISPLAYS OF ANY PRODUCTS SHOULD BE PROHIBITED IN ANY PARKING AREA ALONG THE POLAR PERIMETER OF THE PARKING AND FUELING AREA, OR IN ANY TRAVEL AISLES.
OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED ALONG THE EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL AND UNDER THE FUEL AND CANOPY, SO LONG AS ALL ADA CLEARANCES ARE MAINTAINED AND ZONING PERMITS, UH, ARE OBTAINED.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TAKE THIS FOLLOWING ACTION, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS, UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CASSIDY? THE CURB CUT ON GRANT PIKE.
UM, FOR THE RIGHT HAND TURN, WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR US REQUIRING THIS? OR, OR DID WE REQUIRE IT? THE, THE DROP, THE, THE DROPDOWN LANE INTO THE RIGHT? YEP.
SO, UM, WE REQUIRED IT ONE SO THAT FOLKS CAN, AS THEY SLOW DOWN AND TURN RIGHT, THEY CAN DROP OUT OF THE, UH, THE TRAVEL LANE.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD A MUCH LONGER, UM, DROPDOWN LANE.
WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS WARRANTED, SO WE HAD THEM SHORTENED IT UP.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE WILL BE NO LEFT TURNING OUT OF THIS EXIT FROM SHEETS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF YOU WANT TO HEAD NORTHBOUND, UM, YOU'LL NEED TO EXIT ONTO EXECUTIVE AND THEN NORTH AT THE LIGHT.
ARE THESE STACKING LANES AND THE MEDIANS, DID THOSE GET EXTENDED FROM THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS PLAN? UM, THE, THE IBEL JUST, UH, UH, JUST A SCHMID.
SO I THINK YOU SAW, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS I BELIEVE 190 FEET LONG.
THEY SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE A 90 FOOT, UH, UM, UM, TURNING LANE.
SO TO NOT INTERFERE, TO MAXIMIZE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE, THE STACKING WITHOUT INTERFERING INTO THE DECORATIVE MONUMENTS THAT ARE AT THE, AT THE MEDIAN ON RAMP PIKE.
SO THEY'VE MAXIMIZED THE, THE, THE STORAGE CAPACITY IN THE TURN LANE, UH, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE, THE GATEWAY FEATURE, THE GATEWAY, THE ENTRY FEATURE ON BRAND.
YEAH, I DO THINK, I SAW IN ONE OF THE PLANS WHERE AS YOU'RE COMING IN AND MAKING THIS LEFT HAND TURN, YOU'RE ALMOST DIRECTLY FACING THE OUTFLOWING TRAFFIC FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO IS THERE, IS THERE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT OR IS THERE GONNA BE SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT MARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO THERE WILL BE, UM, LET ME GO TO A BETTER, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S AS GOOD AS I CAN GET BACK TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.
SO THERE WILL BE, UH, THERE'LL BE SOME INTERIOR STRIPING ON THE PARKING LOT.
BUT AS YOU PULL INTO, IF YOU TURN LEFT AND YOU ARE HEADING, UH, INTO THE BUILDING, YOU'RE JUST NATURALLY GONNA GRAVITATE TOWARDS THE RIGHT PEOPLE EXITING THE DRIVE-THROUGH ONE, THEY'LL HAVE EYEBALLS ON YOU CUZ THEY'RE LOOKING THAT WAY.
UH, AND IF THEY'RE HEADED SOUTHBOUND, THEY'RE GONNA GO FURTHER, UH, LEFT.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THAT SAME TRAFFIC FLOW THAT YOU ARE HEADING, UM, HEADING NORTHBOUND AROUND THE BUILDING TO THE, UM, TO THE EXECUTIVE EXIT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A PROBLEM, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS FACING THE RIGHT WAY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER.
UH, AND SO, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE DON'T SEE THAT AS, AS A, AS A CONFLICT POINT.
THERE'S NO BLIND CORNERS HERE.
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SO AS YOU'RE COMING IN, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE GAS STATION, CAN YOU GO STRAIGHT AHEAD OR DO YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND? NO, IF YOU, IF YOU TURN, LET'S SAY YOU TURN LEFT, UH, IN, UH, FIRM BRANCH, YOU CAN THEN YOU WOULD TURN IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT? HEAD NORTH, YOU CAN NORTH AND GO STRAIGHT UP TO THE GAS CAN, YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO THE GAS CANYON.YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND, AND IS IS A WIDE TRAVEL LANE BETWEEN, UH, IT'S, LET'S SEE, JUST BY EYEBALL 24, IT'S 60 70 FEET WIDE BETWEEN THE, UM, UH, THE END OF THE PARKING STALL TO THE AISLE.
SO IT, IT'S EDGE PARKING INTO THE, WITH LIKE A MINIMUM HERE BE PROBABLY FOUR.
SO IT'S, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE
IT'S A PRETTY WIDE TRAVEL AISLE.
A AS I MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT, UH, WE FEEL THAT THIS FLOWS BETTER THAN THE, UH, THE BROAD REACH SITE.
AND YOU INDICATED NO LEFT TURN OUT EVEN ON EXECUTIVE, CORRECT? NO LEFT TURN AT ALL.
THERE'S NO LEFT TURN HEADING NORTHBOUND ON BRANCH AT THE BRANCH ENTERED AT THE BRANT, ENTER AT THE BRAND ON EXECUTIVE.
WHEN YOU GET OUT ON EXECUTIVE, YOU JUST GET INTO THE LEFT TURN LANE AT THE LIGHT.
OH, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT TURNING LEFT ONTO FACILITY TO GET ONTO THAT.
SO YOU ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO EXIT LEFT OUT ON EXECUTIVE TO GO TO THE LIGHT TO BRANT.
SO YOU WOULD HEAD OUT EXECUTIVE TURN RIGHT TO THE LIGHT AT EXECUTIVE AND BRAND, IS THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COMING OUT OF THE FACILITY AND GOING TO THE ROBES? YES.
OR THAT WOULD BE THROUGH, I GUESS I'M THINKING I'M FACING, I'M SITTING AT THE FACILITY.
THIS IS BRAND, THIS IS EXECUTIVE.
I CAN ONLY GO RIGHT, LIKE TOWARDS THE ROSE OR AM I GONNA BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS THE PATH BEHIND THE MEDIAN TO THE LEFT? MAYBE I'M NOT, MAYBE I'M NOT VISUALIZING WHERE THE I THINK YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, SO IF YOU'RE AT THE, IF YOU'RE AT HAYDEN, OR SORRY, LEHMAN ROAD, YOU COULD COME ACROSS, INTO, UH, INTO THE, THE FACILITY.
YOU COULD TURN RIGHT ON HEADING WESTBOUND ON EXECUTIVE.
OR LEFT, UH, EASTBOUND EXECUTIVE TO GET TO THE, TO THE, UH, OKAY.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF SHEETS, YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO TO THE ROSE.
SO ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WHERE WE'VE GOT THE SINGLE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE AS IT HEADS EAST, IF WE GET ABOUT 12 CARS STACKING THERE, THAT'S GONNA OBSTRUCT THIS ENTRANCE POINT ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
MY ESTIMATION 12, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
BUT AS I THINK ABOUT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, WELL HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING IN, I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT, THAT, THAT IS GONNA CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION AT SOME POINT.
IF WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, LET'S CALL IT A THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS COMING IN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT'S GONNA EASILY, YOU KNOW, OBSTRUCT THIS ENTRANCE POINT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? IT MAY NOT BE SHEET'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, THAT MIDDLE LANE IS STILL ONE OF THE LEFT TURN ONLY LANE.
CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE THAT A RIGHT HAND ONLY LANE? SO WE PREVENT THAT ISSUE.
SO IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE GOT A GOOD, SO THIS ONE, HERE WE GO.
UH, SO WE HAVE IT AT SOME FUTURE POINT, IF THERE IS, IS A, A TRAFFIC ISSUE WHEN ALL OF THIS IS DEVELOPED.
AND THERE, THERE'S ALSO A SPLIT.
NOT EVERY VEHICLE IS GONNA BE HEADING, YOU KNOW, EASTBOUND ON EXECUTIVE.
THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE A 50 50 SPLIT, 60 40.
UM, WE'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER AT RHM TO UPDATE THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE, TO INCLUDE THE NEUBAUER, UM, UNITS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
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THAT WE SEE, UM, HOW THAT THIS INTERSECTION THEORETICALLY FUNCTIONS.WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE, THE, UH, THE MARKINGS.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE AT THIS MOMENT, WE, UM, SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE MARKINGS TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THAT CENTER LANE TO BE A LEFT OR RIGHT IF WE, IF, IF, IF WE NEED TO GET MORE CAPACITY TURNING RIGHT AT THE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE NECESSARY SINCE YOU CAN STILL TURN RIGHT ON RED.
UM, WILL THERE BE A PROBLEM, UH, AT, AT THE, WHEN THERE'S A ROSE EVENT.
BUT THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WE'RE HERE OR WARRANT.
ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THAT CENTER DECORATIVE ISLAND THAT ADD ANOTHER LANE.
SO THERE ARE THREE LANES SOUTH OF THE, OF THE, THE, THE DECORATIVE ISLAND.
IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE DECORATIVE ISLAND, IT WOULD BE ADD TO ADD CAPACITY WESTBOUND.
UM, WE DON'T NEED THAT, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY, IF WE NEEDED TO, AT SOME POINT WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE THE RIGHT OF WAY LINES NORTH AND SOUTH ON EITHER SIDE OF EXECUTIVE, UM, IF WE NEEDED TO ADD A CONDITIONAL CAPACITY.
I DON'T THINK WE DO, BUT IT'S THERE.
AND THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT'S NOT DRIVING THAT DEMAND ALONG, UH, GRANT PIKE, AARON, THE SIDEWALK WITH, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT WAS COMMITTED TO IN THE PLAN? SO, UH, IT'S OUR, UH, ON ALL OF OUR THOROUGHFARES, IT'S, UH, THE SIDEWALK WIDTH IS FIVE FEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING COMMITTED TO.
SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE WERE SHOWN EARLIER THIS YEAR.
I THINK THE MINIMUM OF STANDARD WAS 10 FEET ON ARTERIAL.
SO IS THERE, IS THAT, IS THAT AN ISSUE WHERE THE CODE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED YET, OR? YEAH, THIS, THIS PROJECT STARTED BEFORE THAT WAS ADOPTED.
UM, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE HAVING THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND.
SO WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED IS THAT THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND, UH, THE RESIDENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE, THOSE WILL BE 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATHS, MULTI-USE PATHS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, AND ONLY WE HAVE A ROOM.
WE MAY HAVE THE ROOM, BUT WE HAVE NOT ASKED THIS DEVELOPER, UH, BECAUSE WE STARTED DOWN THAT PATH, UM, BEFOREHAND TO ADD 10 FEET TO THIS SECTION.
UM, IF WE START TO BUILD THOSE CONNECTIONS ALONG BRANCH FOR THE, THE BIKEWAY, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL ADD THAT.
I THINK WE'RE TOO LATE FOR THIS ONE.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT UTILITY CHALLENGES AT THE CORNER.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHY THAT SIDEWALK IS, IS NOTCHED OUT.
THERE'S A UTILITY BOLT DOWN THERE.
UM, SO THIS SITE IS SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED IN THAT RESPECT, ALONG WITH, WITH THE, THE CREEK, UH, THE, THE CREEK THAT COMES, UH, SOUTH OF HERE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PINCH POINTS TO WHERE 10, 10 FOOT ISN'T GONNA WORK.
I WOULD, BUT THE, THE OTHER REASON IS WE HAVEN'T UPDATED OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS YET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M WITH SKILLING GOLD DEVELOPMENT.
SOMEONE STOLE THE PEN THAT WAS UP HERE.
DO YOU HAVE A PEN BY CHANCE? A PEN.
UM, WE'RE OUT OF COLUMBUS, 42 70, UH, MORSE ROAD WITH ME TODAY IS JOSH LONG, UH, WITH CISO ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS DAVID BRHEL MYER FROM THE SHEETZ TEAM.
UM, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO ADD.
AARON DID A FANTASTIC COMPREHENSIVE JOB.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL I'LL SAY IS, IS, IS WE'RE TRYING, TRYING OUR BEST TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS HERE WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
EVERYTHING FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHARED DETENTION BASIN, UH, IN, IN GOOD FAITH WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING THAT AND ONLY USING 25% OF THE CAPACITY THE REMAINING WILL BE USED FOR, FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT, BUT WE IN GOOD FAITH ARE DOING THAT.
IT'S ALSO BEEN ASKED THAT WE DESIGNED FOR A SANITARY LINE TO,
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TO TRAVERSE THAT BASIN FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF US.WE, WE'VE ACCOMMODATED FOR THAT.
UH, AND, AND FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, UH, WE, WE'VE DONE, UM, ALL TRAFFIC STUDIES.
WE, WE CAN IN, IN COORDINATION WITH, WITH AARON AND HIS TEAM, UH, TO, TO PROPOSE WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST, UM, BEST OPTION, UH, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, REALLY, UH, ACCOMMODATING ALL WE CAN AND AGAIN, WANT TO BE PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.
UH, SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS, UH, TO YOU GUYS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT OUTDOOR SALES, UH, ARE ONLY PERMITTED ALONG THE, UH, UNDERNEATH THE, UH, PANEL.
WHAT KIND OF OUTDOOR SALES WOULD YOU HAVE? WHAT COMES TO MIND FROM MY MIND IS MAYBE ICE AND WHAT, WHAT ELSE? RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, YOU'LL FIND THAT WE HAVE, UH, MAINLY ICE AND, AND PROPANE.
BECAUSE WE DON'T LIMIT HERE IT AND, AND WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID.
BUT THOSE, YOU CAN DO THAT INSIDE
UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM UNFORTUNATELY INSIDE WE WERE FINE WITH THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FLUIDS BEING UNDER THE CANOPY.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT CONDITION IS IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET TO THE KROGER PALLETS OF MULCH, PALLETS OF ROCK SALT, THAT KIND OF STUFF, THAT'S JUST SORT OF EVERYWHERE.
AND WHEN THEY OBTAIN A ZONING PERMIT, DO THEY HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN, WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE ZONING PERMIT? SO IT'S SEASONAL OUTDOOR SALES THAT, UM, THEY HAVE TO ILLUSTRATE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, AND NOT WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? BUT NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE? UH, YES, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DISPLAYED FOR SALE AT WHAT TIMES.
UM, THIS FURTHER RESTRICTS AS PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THIS IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE OVERALL ZONING RAISE RESOLUTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION ARE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE, THE FIVE FOOT ON THE SIDEWALKS
IT, IT DOES SAY IN THE STAFF MEMO THAT THERE WAS ONE OPPOSITION EMAIL RECEIVED.
IS THAT ACCURATE OR WAS THAT A TYPO? THERE WAS, THAT IS A LEFTOVER FROM THE, UM, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE GOT AN OPPOSITION FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A PART OF THE RECORD, BUT WE DID HAVE AN EMAIL FROM, THAT'S FROM JIM, BUT FROM MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO BRING IN TO THE RECORD? AND IF SO, I I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
I CAN ADD IT TO THE AND JERRY HAS IT, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE RECORD.
I THINK WE ADDRESSED ALL THE ISSUES AND I, BECAUSE OF HIS EMAIL, I, I MADE SURE THE PRESENTATION, UH, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES AS FAR AS, UM, TURNING LANE WIDTH, UM, THOSE, THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BIGGEST ONE AS WELL AS, UH, SITE LINES EXITING THE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH AND WHILE YOU'RE TURNING INTO THE SITE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? COMMENTS? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO RE IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? SKILL AND GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 82 45 BRANT PIKE, D D P 23 DASH 11, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMBER RANDOM DATED 2020.
MAY 9TH, UH, 2023 WITH THE, UH, INF BLAMING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. FARGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. CASSIDY? YES.
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VAGO? YES.WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE THE REVISIONS TO, UH, THE PLANS AS OUTLINED IN THE, UM, IN THE DECISION ORDER.
AND, UM, WE'LL GO MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMITTING.
WELL, WE STILL NEED A, A, A REPLAT.
YEAH, THAT'D BE THE NEXT STEP.
YOU WILL SEE THE REPLAT CUZ THE, UH, THE LOT, THE, THE EXACT LOCATIONS OF THE LOT LINES ON THE WEST SIDE HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET, BUT WE'RE TALKING ONE FOOT HERE OR THERE.
NEXT ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDAS, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS AND INFORMAL REVIEW, CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES.
UM, LET ME GET, LET'S SEE IF THIS IS, I GOT NEW GLASSES.
SEE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT BUTTON.
SO, UH, LET ME, DO YOU WANNA COME UP? YEAH, YEAH.
SO THIS IS, UH, UH, TREVOR WITH CONTINENTAL UH, PROPERTIES.
WE, THIS IS KIND OF A LAST MINUTE AD.
THIS, UH, CAME TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN I HAD ANTICIPATED.
UM, THEY HAVE, UH, THEIR UNDER OPTION FOR, UH, PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CHAMBERSBURG AND OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, AND, UH, ARE LOOKING TO, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK, UM, FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH A POTENTIAL JUNE, UM, JUNE APPLICATION.
AS ERIN SAID, MY NAME IS TREVOR STALER.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK STAFF FOR BEING SO KIND, SO ACCOMMODATING AS WELL AS YOU GUYS FOR TAKING YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, UH, JUST TO HAVE THIS INFORMAL REVIEW.
SO CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES, UH, IS A MULTI-FAMILY REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
UM, WE WERE FOUNDED IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, LARGELY DOING RETAIL AT THAT TIME IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE PIVOTED TOWARDS MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, WE ARE BASED OUT OF MENOMINEE FALLS, WISCONSIN.
SO I FLEW IN FROM MILWAUKEE THIS MORNING.
UM, AND WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS AND OPERATORS, UH, IN THE COUNTRY.
I AM ONE OF MANY FACES ON MY TEAM.
UM, WE DO MARKET RESEARCH, SO WE PICKED HUBER HEIGHTS AS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT WE DID WANT TO BE, UM, IN THE LARGER DAYTON AREA.
UM, I'M A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, SO I HELP WITH LARGELY, UM, ENTITLEMENTS, UM, AND GETTING PERMITTING.
AND THEN WE'LL HAND IT OFF TO OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND THEY WILL OVERSEE THE BUILDING OF IT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IN-HOUSE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
SO A LOT OF OUR, UH, PORTFOLIO WE HOLD FOR, YOU KNOW, UP TO 10 YEARS.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THIS ISN'T LIKE WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP IT AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE.
WE ARE NOT A MERCHANT DEVELOPER.
UM, WE ARE AN OWNER OCCUPIER, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SO OUR ACHIEVEMENTS, UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED OVER 125 COMMUNITIES SINCE THAT EARLY 2000 STATE.
UM, THAT TOTALS OVER 35,000 HOMES.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN 19 DIFFERENT STATES.
UM, IT SAYS TOP 25 DEVELOPERS.
WE ARE ACTUALLY TOP 10, UM, BUT WE'RE NUMBER 10, SO I DON'T WANNA LIKE MISLEAD IT TOO MUCH.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF OUR PORTFOLIO RIGHT NOW.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT EVERYWHERE.
IF YOU NOTICE THERE IS A.IN OHIO.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DOTS REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN CINCINNATI.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DAYTON, THE GREATER DAYTON AREA, AS WELL AS THE GREATER COLUMBUS AREA.
UM, AS AARON SAID, THE SITE IS JUST, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE IN CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S A KEY BANK ON THAT CORNER.
WE WOULD BE ACTUALLY DOING THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT.
SO THERE'S THAT OLD, UH, BUILDING THAT WOULD BE TORN DOWN.
THERE'S LIKE A BIG BARN WAY IN THE BACK.
THAT WOULD BE THE SITE THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
UM, THE PROPOSED LOCATION WAS REALLY STRATEGIC BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION BETWEEN LARGE EMPLOYERS LIKE THE AIR FORCE BASE AND ALL THE RETAIL THAT'S COMING UP OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE AND I 75 OR I 70.
YEAH, SO A SNAPSHOT OF THE PROPOSAL IS REALLY THAT IT'S GONNA BE SEVEN BUILDINGS, ROUGHLY A 252
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HOMES.UM, THERE'LL ALL BE THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
THE SITE IS ROUGHLY, IT SAYS 19.41 ISH ACRES.
UM, THERE IS A SECTION OF THE SITE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH END ALONG CHAMBERSBURG ROAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY USE FOR.
IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN WITH OUR FOOTPRINTS OF OUR BUILDINGS, UM, THAT WE WOULD JUST BE RESERVING FOR A FUTURE USE.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LOOKING, BE LOOKING TO REZONE IT FROM CURRENTLY IT'S R FOUR TO A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, HERE'S THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN.
I'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR A LITTLE BIT.
LET YOU GUYS MOLD OVER, JUST KIND OF POINT OUT SOME STUFF.
SO ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND WOULD BE OUR CLUBHOUSE, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR LEASING CENTER WOULD BE.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TWO MORE BUILDINGS AND WE'D HAVE TO KEEP THAT ACCESS POINT PROBABLY FOR THE KEY BANK OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER FIVE BUILDINGS WOULD KIND OF BE NESTLED BACK FURTHER.
UM, AS YOU SEE, THERE'S, THE POND IN THE MIDDLE IS CURRENTLY EXISTING.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME STREAMS THAT FLOW THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN WE'D OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ADD SOME DETENTION AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO TOPO AND SOME WATER, IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING OF A SITE, BUT WE PROBABLY GOT IT.
SO, UM, THERE'S ALSO, WE WOULD HAVE AN ONSITE MAINTENANCE TEAM.
UM, THAT GARAGE IS BETWEEN BILLINGS FIVE AND SIX.
UM, THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB OF, LIKE I SAID, WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, SO WE OBVIOUSLY WANT IT TO LOOK SHIP SHAPE 24 7.
UM, AND THEY'RE SUPER RESPONSIVE.
AND THEN I ALSO CALLED OUT THAT SPACE IN THE, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, THE SPACE OF RESERVE FOR FUTURE USE.
IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY FIT WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THAT AT THIS POINT.
SO OUR AUTHENTICS IS REALLY A GARDEN STYLE COMMUNITY, AND WE REALLY LIKE TO TARGET, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THOSE PEOPLE WHO THEY COULD AFFORD TO HAVE THE B THE BIGGEST, THE BEST, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SPEND ALL THEIR MONEY ON THEIR RENT, RIGHT? LIKE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO SAVE MONEY FOR TRAVELING, OR THEY'RE STARTING A CAREER, THEY WANNA SAVE MONEY FOR A HOUSE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SPENDING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO HAVE THE BIGGEST, BEST APARTMENT WITH AMENITIES THAT THEY MAY NOT USE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THE INTENT THERE AT THE BOTTOM REALLY SUMS IT UP.
WELL, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COST EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT, BUT IT'S STILL A NEW DURABLE APARTMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK INTO AN OLDER HOUSING STOCK TO FIND THIS.
SO, LIKE I SAID, THE EXTERIOR DESIGN IS GONNA BE THREE STORY.
UM, WE USE A LOT OF MATERIALS AND DIFFERENT COLORS, UM, EMPHASIS ON THE UNIT ENTRIES.
SO THERE'S, UH, WE BASICALLY ELIMINATED THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR.
THERE'S MULTIPLE ENTRY POINTS FOR EACH UNIT OR GROUP OF UNITS GOING UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND IT'S BUILDS MORE ON AN APPROACHABLE HUMAN SCALE.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH SOME PICTURES OF BOTH OUR INSIDES AND OUTSIDES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENDERINGS RIGHT NOW, SO I WANT TO USE MORE OF OUR, OUR BUILT PRODUCT TYPE.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES IN MICHIGAN.
UM, THERE'S THE POOL DECK, NICE AMENITIES, UH, APARTMENTS OVERLOOKING THE POOL.
UM, FOR OUR INTERIORS, WE DO HAVE STUDIOS, ONES, TWOS AND THREES.
IT'S ROUGHLY 10% STUDIOS, 40%, ONE BEDROOMS, 40%, TWO BEDROOMS, AND THEN 10%, THREE BEDROOMS. UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ECO, AN ECONOMICALLY USED OF THOSE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS BY ELIMINATING THOSE CORRIDORS, BUT STILL HAVING THOSE OPEN CONCEPT FLOOR PLANS.
UM, THIS IS WHAT THE INTERIORS OF THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR MICHIGAN PRODUCT, UM, YOU KNOW, NICE BIG CLEAN BEDROOMS. THIS IS LIKE A SECOND BEDROOM IN THAT SAME UNIT.
NICE OPEN FLOOR PLAN, NICE CLEAN BATHROOMS. UM, THIS IS LIKE A STORAGE SPACE FOR RESIDENTS IN THEIR UNIT, WASHER AND DRYERS.
UM, THE COMMUNITY REALLY IS LAID OUT SO THAT WAY THERE'S AMENITIES ALL OVER.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE USUALLY HAVE ON OUR SITES.
UM, WE ALWAYS WILL HAVE LIKE THE 24 HOUR FITNESS CENTER, THE ROSE RESORT STYLE POOL.
UM, AND I CAN'T STRESS AS MUCH AS A ON-SITE MANAGEMENT TEAM IS INSANELY WELL, UH, ROUNDED.
THEY ARE SUPER GOOD AT BEING RESPONSIVE.
THEY, THEY KNOW ALL OF OUR, UH, RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND THEY'RE SUPER RESPONSIVE AND SUPER NICE.
UM, OUR IN-HOME AMENITIES, IT'S LIKE I SAID, BRIGHT MODERN.
THEY'RE WE'RE SUPER PET FRIENDLY.
UM, WE DO HAVE LIKE THE PET SPA ON SITE AS WELL AS THE PET PARK.
UM, AND IT'S JUST A CLEAN, MODERN, UP-TO-DATE LIVING AT NOT A HUGE, UH, STICKER PRICE.
SO JUST A COUPLE MORE PICTURES OF OUR INTERIORS.
PEOPLE CAN RENT THAT OUT IF THEY WANT.
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AT THE POOL DECK.THERE'S THE EQUIPMENT IN THE, IN THE 24 HOUR FITNESS CENTER.
AND THEN REALLY THE CONTINENTAL VALUE THAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED THIS SITE.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A, A COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPER PARTNERSHIP.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT AND WE'RE LEAVING.
WE'RE GONNA STAY HERE FOREVER, UH, WELL FOREVER, UH, FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AND WE HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, UH, DEVELOPING THESE PRODUCTS.
SO I AM WELCOME TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY WANT TO GO HOME SINCE I'M THE LAST PERSON ON THE LIST, BUT, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? MARGO, GO AHEAD.
YOU SAID THAT, UH, THE RENT IS MODERATE.
SO, AND IT, AND IT, AND IT, UH, RANGES FROM, UH, YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM AS WELL AS WHAT WAS, WE HAD STUDIOS OF STUDIOS EFFICIENCIES.
SO FROM WHAT TO WHAT WOULD BE THE RENT THAT YOU CONSIDER MODERATE? I DO NOT KNOW THE RENTS RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK ON APPETITE FOR THE REZONE OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS LIKE THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE PRODUCT, ET CETERA.
I DO NOT HAVE THOSE TRUTHFULLY RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT IF THAT.
DO YOU PROVIDE THE APPLIANCES OR FUR OR DO YOU HAVE ANY FURNISHED DEPARTMENTS? SO THEY ARE NOT FURNISHED, BUT WE DO APPLY LIKE THE WASHER AND DRYERS THERE.
ALL THE APPLIANCES IN THE KITCHEN WOULD BE THERE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE FURNISHED WITH LIKE THE BED DESK, COUCH, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I NOTICED THAT, UH, ALL OF, WELL, YOU ONLY HAVE THE ONE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST TIME HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR BRICK HERE IN THE CITY,
THE ONLY THING THAT YOU BUILD WITH VINYL IS NOT THE ONLY THING WE BUILD WITH A LOT OF TIMES ON THIS PRODUCT.
UM, IN THAT, THAT ONE THAT WE HAVE FULLY FINISHED, VETTED OUT, IT IS VINYL, BUT WE HAVE MOVED TO ALSO DOING LIKE HARDY LIKE CEMENT BOARD, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THESAL.
BUT WE USUALLY DO THE LAP SIDING AS WELL AS WE INTEGRATE THE, THE HORIZONTAL, UH, BOARD AND BATON SIDING TO REALLY VARY, UH, THOSE SECTIONS.
AND I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
DOES IT, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEHIND THE BANK, BUT DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT NEXT STREET, WHICH IS THE VILLAS? UM, NO, IT DOESN'T GO UP TO THE STREET.
IT GOES TO BASICALLY THE NEXT HOUSE ON CHAMBERSBURG AS WELL AS THOSE VILLAS ON OLD TROY PIKE.
AND IT KIND OF MAKES A, IT'S NOT QUITE A SQUARE.
UM, I PROBABLY CAN GO BACK AND I'LL CLICK A HUNDRED TIMES HERE, BUT, UH, IT DOES GO BACK.
THERE IS, IT WOULD BACK, YEAH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BASICALLY THAT THE EMPTY AREA NOW IS WHAT WE BE, SO THE LEFT WOULD BE OLD TROY PIKE.
THE LEFT WOULD BE OLD TROY PIKE.
ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE CHAMBERSBURG.
AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL IS DIRECTLY BELOW THERE.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE KEYBANK SITS NOW ON THE CORNER? YES.
IT'S, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW FAR BACK IT WENT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A BACK FAIRLY FAR.
UH, YEAH, IT'S ROUGHLY 20 ACRES THAT, THAT SPACE ALL TOGETHER.
WILL THEY HAVE GARAGES? A GARAGE OPTION? YEAH.
SO TYPICALLY WE WILL DO A DETACHED GARAGE OPTION.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE OPTION.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, WE USUALLY SPREAD THEM OUT THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S TYPICALLY, UH, PROPERTY TO THIS SIZE THERE WOULD BE LIKE 40 ISH GARAGES.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY, BUT I'LL JUST SAY IT'S KIND OF AN EYESORE RIGHT NOW, NOW.
SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT SOMEONE'S, UH, TRYING TO DEVELOP IT.
UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS PROPOSED TO GO ALONG A FUTURE BIKE PATH, UH, A 14 AND A HALF MILE LOOP THROUGH THE CITY.
YEAH, I, SO, UH, JUST AS A NOTE, JUST TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, THE SPACE AND THE, THE USAGE OF, OF THAT.
UM, AND THAT THE TWO AND A HALF ACRES NON-USED, IT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS REALLY PRELIMINARY TO SEE SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT AGAIN, UH, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
AND I, IT'S PROBABLY REALLY HARD TO SEE.
I DID TRY TO INCORPORATE THE BIKE PATH THAT WE DID HEAR THAT THAT WAS A POTENTIAL, IT IS KIND OF SHOWN ON THERE.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE AS WELL AS I TRY TO ADD MORE OF THOSE, UH, PATHS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES IN THE BACKSIDE BETWEEN THE PARK, HERBERT PARK, HERBERT SEA, SOMETHING PARK, UM, CAN'T REMEMBER IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT MAYBE GETTING CONNECTION THERE ALONG THAT STREAM
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AS WELL AS CONNECTIONS MAYBE TO THE VILLAS.UM, JUST CREATING KIND OF A COHESIVE, UH, PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY CUZ IT'S NOT GATED OR FENCED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE.
I'M, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE RENT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, CUZ YOU SAY IT'S MORE MODERATE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THESE ARE MORE MARKET RATE? SO THEY ARE MARKET, THEY'RE ALL MARKET RATE.
HOWEVER, WE TRY TO TARGET ROUGHLY 80% OF AMI.
SO THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING FOR TOP END LUXURY, YOU KNOW, MARBLE COUNTERTOPS.
WE'RE GOING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, RENT, PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO SPEND EVERY NICKEL ON THEIR RENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT, WHAT, UH, IS YOUR ANTICIPATED TIMELINE? SO THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO COME NEXT MONTH POTENTIALLY FOR THE REZONE.
UM, GET AS MUCH COMMENTS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BEFORE THAT.
WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'D LIKE TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEND US ALL YOUR FEEDBACK, WE'D ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO HEAR IT.
WE'D ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO INCORPORATE IT.
UM, AND THEN AT THE TIME THAT WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT, BRING IT IN, UM, WITH A FULL VETTED OUT PLAN.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD, YEAH, IT WOULD BE GETTING OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS, UM, TO START DOING FINAL CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, IDEALLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND START CONSTRUCTION.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED APPROVALS AND PERMITS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO ARE YOU STILL DEALING WITH KEYBANK ON THE PROPERTY? I THINK THEY USED TO BE THE TRUST OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DO NOT WORK ON THE ACQUISITIONS TEAM, SO I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHO WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE DID REACH OUT TO KEYBANK AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU, WOULD YOU POSSIBLY SELL? AND THEY ARE IN LOVE WITH THAT LOCATION, SO THEY DO NOT WANT TO YEAH, THEY'LL NEVER BUT
I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, DISCUSSIONS AROUND DENSITY OF HOUSING.
IS THAT, IS THIS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT? YEAH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS IN LINE WITH, UM, WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY MM-HMM.
SO IT'S, IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL THAT PREDATES ME THAT KIND OF DIED ON THE VINE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED, UH, TREVOR AND HIS TEAM TO, TO BE HERE JUST TO GET, UH, SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHAT'S DIFFERENT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL? UH, I DID MENTION TO THEM ABOUT THE BIKE PATH.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THAT, THAT AT LEAST THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF NOT CONSTRUCTION, OF A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, BUT THE, THE, I LIKE THE CONNECTIONS TO THE PARK, UM, THAT, UM, AND IT DOES BUILD OUT, IT DOES ACTIVATE A PRETTY UNSIGHTLY KEY INTERSECTION.
SO, AND I THINK TOPOGRAPHY HERE IS PRETTY DIFFICULT ANYWAY WITH THAT BIG POND AND THE STREAM THAT GOES THROUGH IT.
YEAH, I THINK TH THIS, THIS SITE STREAMS RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES, THE, THE STREAMS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH HERE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS, IS MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH, SO IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION FOR SOME OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL THAT'S COMING TO THIS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY COMING TO THIS INTERSECTION.
UM, SO I, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
UM, WE, WE, WE JUST SAW THIS, OR I JUST SAW THIS A WEEK AGO.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S TIME TO, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT SORT OF, UH, I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
I WANTED TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND, AND TRY NOT TO SURPRISE ANYBODY
SO IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER THEM OR ANY MORE FEEDBACK.
SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, SOMETHING YOU WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE.
I PROMISE THERE'LL BE NO ROOF SIGNS.
THAT WAS, WE'RE GONNA, THE PLAN IS TO BUILD A TRAIL ALONG THAT STREAM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
WE DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENTS RIGHT NOW, BUT LIKE IF WE WERE TO OBTAIN THEM, IT WOULD THEN CONNECT TO THE PARK.
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YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THEY WERE TO SELL AND IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED, THEN THAT, THAT WOULD CREATE A NICE THROUGHWAY FROM LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY TO THE PARK AND KIND OF CONNECT THAT AREA.VERSUS PEOPLE HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, WALK ALONG THE, THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WOULD THERE BE ANY REQUIREMENT TO BILL SIDEWALKS? YES.
ON, UH, CHAMBERSBURG, UM, CHAMBERSBURG TAYLORS? UH, YES.
YEAH, IN FACT, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST COMMENTS THAT I HAD WAS WE NEED TO RESERVE, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONNECT THAT BIKE PATH THAT'S, THAT IS PLANNED ALONG CHAMBERSBURG AND THAT'S, IT'S A HEAVILY WALKED CORRIDOR WITH THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF APRIL 11TH, 2023.
WE WILL APPROVE THOSE, UH, REPORTS.
UM, SO ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS, UH, CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT WHAT, UH, HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
UH, SO THE REZONING, UM, UH, FOR THE CAMPGROUND, UM, THE RIGHT WAY, OHIO LLC THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE FLYING ACE, UH, CARWASH ALONG BRANT WAS APPROVED BY, BY COUNCIL.
UH, THEY'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO INDICATE WHEN THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, WHAT I'VE TOLD THEM IS, ONCE WALMART APPROVES THE PLAN FOR WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, THEN THEY CAN COME HERE.
UM, SO I WANT THEM, YOU KNOW, GET THAT ALL, UH, STRAIGHT AWAY BEFORE, UM, THEY COME IN, IN FRONT OF US.
UH, RHM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BOTH THE REZONING, UH, FOR THE PLAN MIXED USE AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WAS THE MOST BASIC OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
UH, AND SO WE WILL BE WORKING ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THEM TO BRING, UH, TO YOU, UH, AT, AT PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
OUR AGREEMENT WITH, UH, BETWEEN THEM IS THAT, UH, WE, THEY NEED TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY BY MONDAY.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOWARDS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL PIVOT BACK TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE REZONING FOR STP HOLDINGS.
THE LAUNDROMAT ON RAMP PIKE WAS APPROVED.
UM, THE, UH, THE TRUCK STU OR THE, THE TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY PARKING FACILITY ON, UM, UH, TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD IN ARTS, UH, ALONG, UH, 2 35, UH, COUNSEL IS SENDING THAT BACK TO YOU, UH, TO REVIEW A LARGER SITE PLAN OF, UH, 30, I BELIEVE 31, UM, PARKING SPACES.
SO I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE JUNE OR JULY MEETING.
UM, I'M WAITING TO HEAR, BUT, UH, COUNSEL, UH, VOTED TO, UH, REMAND THIS CASE BACK TO, UM, UH, THE PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF A LARGER FACILITY.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT COUNCIL.
UH, AS FAR AS UPCOMING, UH, CASES, UH, ANTICIPATE, UH, UH, THE CONTINENTAL PROJECT, UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, ONE OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL USER IN THIS AREA.
UM, BUT THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED YET, SO WE'RE STILL WAITING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT, ROGER.