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HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS MAY 2ND, 2023.
IT'S 6 0 1, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW? HERE.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.UH, ITEM TWO A APRIL 20TH, 2023.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
ANY OBJECTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? OTHERWISE, THOSE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED.
NEXT IS ITEM THREE ARE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT, AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH
[ City Manager Report]
ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.BRIAN? UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR, UH, COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
UH, FIRST, UH, QUICK, UH, UPDATE ON THE BUS SHELTER PROJECT.
ALL OF THE, UH, SHELTER PADS HAVE BEEN POURED IN OUR IN PLACE, UH, SHELTER STRUCTURES, UH, ARE SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE IN EARLY JUNE, UH, WITH INSTALLATION TO BEGIN SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
UH, ALSO WANT TO, UH, UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
THE CITY'S ANNUAL SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PROGRAM BEGAN LAST WEEK, APRIL 24TH.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY JULY 1ST.
ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT CAN BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, ON THE ENGINEERING HOMEPAGE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE SEWER LINING PROJECT, UH, HAS ALSO BEGUN, UH, AND THAT, UH, STARTED YESTERDAY.
UH, OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE, UH, PROVIDING FOR VIDEO INSPECTION OF THE VARIOUS LINES.
AND FOLLOWING THAT INSPECTION, THE ACTUAL LINING OF THE PIPES WILL BEGIN.
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON THE ENGINEERING HOMEPAGE IN THE COMING DAYS.
UH, LOT HAPPENING IN THE REALM OF ENGINEERING, INCLUDING THE TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF FISHBURG ROAD, UH, STARTING TOMORROW.
UH, FISHBURG WILL BE CLOSED, UH, DURING THE WORKDAY, 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM UH, TOMORROW THE THIRD AND THURSDAY THE FOURTH.
UH, THIS CLOSURES BETWEEN ENDICOTT AND THE WARRIOR SOCCER CLUB.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE REPLACING A STORM PIPE UNDER THE ROAD, AND TRAFFIC WILL BE DETOURED, UH, AROUND THE AREA WHILE WORK IS ONGOING BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIVE.
AND AGAIN, THAT, UH, DETOURS ONLY EXPECTED FOR THOSE TWO DAYS.
UH, I ALSO WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THE ANNUAL FARMER'S MARKET BEGINS, UH, THIS SATURDAY UP THE IKE.
UH, AND THAT'S AT, UH, 86 25 BRANT PIKE.
AND WE'LL GO FROM, UM, THIS MONTH UNTIL OCTOBER.
UH, AND THAT IS, UH, EVERY SATURDAY FROM 10:00 AM UNTIL 2:00 PM ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET CAN BE DIRECTED TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST SARAH WILLIAMS. UH, AND SHE CAN BE REACHED HERE AT CITY HALL DIRECT, 2 3 7 5 8 2 0.
AND THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, VELIA PUBLISHED THE CITY'S ANNUAL CONSUMER CONFIDENCE REPORT ON POTABLE WATER QUALITY YESTERDAY.
UH, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT OUR DRINKING WATER IS SAFE AND MEETS ALL FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS.
THE FULL REPORT CAN BE AS AC A COPY OF THE FULL REPORT CAN BE, UH, ACCESSED FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE VIA THE REPORTS AND FINDING LINK FOUND ON THE WATER AND WASTEWATER HOMEPAGE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT, UH, ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THAT COUNSEL MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN AND ITEMS HE TOUCHED IN HIS REPORT.
[ Planning Commission Update]
THREE B, PLANNING COMMISSION UPDATE.I SEE OUR ESTEEMED PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE THIS EVENING.
SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, I LOOKS LIKE, UH, TERRY AND AARON WILL BE, SIR, I, I'LL JUST PREFACE IT BY SAYING THIS IS THE FIRST TIME PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU, SINCE WE'VE STARTED THESE, UH, BOARD AND COMMISSION UPDATES BEFORE COUNCIL, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A REQUEST BY SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT, UH, THEY'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE RATHER THAN REPORTING OUT, UM, ON SOME OF THEIR ACTIVITIES TO ENGAGE COUNSEL AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WHAT COUNCIL IS EXPECTING FROM THEM AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THEM, AND THE REVIEW OF PLANNING COMMISSION CASES.
AND SO, UM, I TALKED WITH TERRY AND ERIN LAST WEEK, AND WE DECIDED TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND HAVE AS MANY OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT HERE THAT WE COULD ENGAGE IN SOME OF THAT DIALOGUE ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE FACING AS, AS A COMMISSION.
UH, WELL AS FIRST THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
SO, F UM, NEXT I WOULD JUST SAY, IS THERE, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING PRESSING OR ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND THAT, UH, THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT PLAINTIFF COMMISSION IS SEEING THAT? UM, LOOK, I MEAN, LET'S JUST, UH, WE'RE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF OR WE NEED TO, TO GIVE INPUT BACK FROM FEED PUT, UH, FROM FEEDBACK THAT YOU GIVE US, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE.
I MEAN, LET'S TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT, UM, WE NEED TO FIX.
UM, DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL HERE.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, MY NAME IS TERRY WALTON PLANE COMMISSION CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY ON THE DIAS FOR
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INVITING US HERE THIS EVENING TO CHAT WITH YOU.UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO, TO, TO THANK OUR ACTING AS CITY MANAGER FOR BRINGING IN ON AARON SORELL.
UH, HE'S DEFINITELY BEEN AN ASSET TO OUR TEAM.
UH, I ALSO BROUGHT WITH ME MS. CHERYL THOMAS, UH, MR. JIM JEFFRIES, AND MR. JAN VAGO, AND OF COURSE, THE SECRETARY, JERRY HOSKINS.
SO, UH, WE, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS.
UH, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO ASK US, WE'LL TRY TO, TO ANSWER.
SO, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST START BY SAYING, LOOK, I, I THINK, UM, HOPEFULLY, I THINK ALL OF US REALIZE, UM, OR UNDERSTAND WHAT AN ASSET AARON HAS BEEN.
UM, I THINK JUST FROM FEEDBACK OR, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS THAT IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE DETAILS AND THE PROCESSES AND HOW THE ITEMS ARE GETTING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, KIND OF WHAT SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS ARE OR WHATEVER, HOW THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.
UH, I'VE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT GOOD THINGS, AND I, I THINK I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU, AARON, LISA, TO LET YOU KNOW PRIVATELY THAT WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
GIVES US THE TIME TO AT LEAST PUBLICLY SAY THAT TOO.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT AARON HAS DONE FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT.
UH, I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN BETTER, UH, THAN, THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I, WHAT I THINK
SO IF THAT'S DIFFERENT, YOU CAN CALL ME
BUT, SO I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO, TO COUNSEL EITHER, UM, MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR, OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE YOU THINK WOULD BE NECESSARY OR THAT YOU'D WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, YOU KNOW, I GET AN UNDERSTAND THAT PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE AS COUNCIL, RIGHT? IT'D BE NICE IF ALL OF OUR VISIONS KIND OF FOR THE CITY ARE TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DEPEND ON YOU FOR BEING THAT FRONT FACE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE FIRST HURDLE THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME INTO THE CITY AND BUILD ANYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH.
AND, AND I THINK WE DEPEND ON YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FINAL PRODUCT ENDS UP BEING WHAT, WHAT WE ALL LIKE AND WANT, UH, AND, AND WOULD APPRECIATE COMING INTO THE CITY.
SO, UH, I'LL LEAVE HER TO THAT COMMENTS.
UM, IN JUST A BRIEF DISCUSSION, WELCOMING, UM, YOUR MEMBERS, TERRY, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING, UH, COUPLE ITEMS WERE BROUGHT UP TO ME AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, ONE WAS THAT, UH, THEY WANTED TO SHARE WHAT OUR VISION WAS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, SO THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL CAN, UH, BE WORKING TOWARDS ONE DIRECTION.
UH, IF WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, SOMETIMES WE CAN HAVE DING OPINIONS AND YOU'RE ON THE FRONT LINES, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE AND MIGHT MAKE FOR EVEN A BETTER PROCESS.
BUT, UM, THAT COULD BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WE HAVE TONIGHT.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN REQUESTING OR REQUESTED A MEETING LIKE THIS FOR, UH, ABOUT A YEAR.
SO IT'S NICE THAT WE GOT TO THAT.
BUT, UM, THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD VISION MAYOR, UM, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT OUR VISION IS? WELL, I THINK LOOK AT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD HAS, HAS EVOLVED FROM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE JUST GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF IT, UM, JUST BEING FARMLAND, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS LOTS OF INTEREST IN THE PAST, UH, FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, BUT A DEAL COULDN'T BE MADE JUST BECAUSE THE PRICE OF THE LAND FROM THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, IT JUST, IT JUST WASN'T IN THE WORKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, ED, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND HERE A LONG TIME TOO, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU EVEN QUOTED IN TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE HEIGHTS AND WHAT THE WHOLE OVERALL OBJECTIVE WAS TO, TO GO UP THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
IF THE DEMAND ISN'T THERE, IF THEIR DEVELOPERS AREN'T WILLING TO COME AND PRESENT A VISION, UH, OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN, UH, IT KIND OF FINALLY TOOK TIME, OR THE TIME CAME FOR THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION.
UM, WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, IF NOT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, UH, ENTERTAINMENT MUSIC VENUE OF ITS SIZE AND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT BRINGS IN PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
AND I THINK WE HAD, AS A COUNCIL, AT LEAST IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, HAVE JUST HAD ENOUGH OF, UM, LETTING THAT BE IT AND ONLY ONE BUSINESS WITH, WITH TJ CHUMPS THERE.
UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP OF WHAT TJ CHUMPS HAS DONE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S TIME THAT WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS UP THERE.
AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION, UM, MANY, MANY TIMES THAT ROOFTOPS ARE WHAT GROW COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY OR ANY DEVELOPER ANYWHERE THAT HAS SAID, UH, IF THEY BUILD IT FIRST, RESIDENTS WILL COME.
I MEAN, THAT, WE WOULD LOVE TO THINK THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S JUST NOT HOW THE DEVELOPMENT
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GAME WORKS IN ANY, IN ANY CITY, NOT JUST IN HUBER HEIGHTS.SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THE DAYTON DRAGONS STADIUM WHEN THE DAYTON DRAGON SCENE WAS FIRST BUILT.
UH, MARK, I THINK YOU TOLD ME, WAS IT, UH, MR. CAPI WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT EVER TALKED ABOUT HAVING, OR BUILDING A, A BASEBALL STADIUM IN DAYTON.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT WAS HIS IDEA, HIS CONCEPT.
AND MAN, THIS GUY WAS RUN THROUGH THE ABSOLUTE MUD.
PEOPLE THOUGHT A BASEBALL STADIUM IN DAYTON.
WHAT IN THE WORLD DO WE NEED THAT FOR NOW, IT'S TAKEN SOME TIME.
WE'RE 20 YEARS LATER, BUT THEY HAVE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL STREAK OF, OF SELLOUTS OF A BASEBALL GAME.
LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED DOWNTOWN DAYTON.
BECAUSE OF THAT, IF YOU HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ONE SINGLE EVENT, ONE SINGLE ITEM, ONE SINGLE BUILDING, ONE SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS CAUSED ALL THE GROWTH DOWNTOWN, AND THIS WHOLE REVITALIZATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENED DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S THE, IT'S THE DRAGONS BASEBALL STADIUM.
THERE'S NO REASON THE ROSE CAN'T BE THAT FOR US.
WE HAVE TO HAVE, NUMBER ONE, THE DESIRE AND THE STRENGTH AND THE ABILITY THAT THE VOTERS HAVE GIVEN US AND PLACED US HERE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE GOING TO SPARK THE DEVELOPMENT ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
I'VE HEARD THE TERM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT COME UP A LOT.
SO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT SEEMS THE, LIKE A GREAT WORD TO SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A ROSE MUSIC CENTER THERE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A LARGE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
BUT I LOOK AT IT MORE OF A, AND I'VE KIND OF USED THIS TERM, UM, A LIFESTYLE AND EXPERIENCE.
SO AS PEOPLE DECIDE TO MOVE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THERE BECAUSE OF WHAT THAT AREA OFFERS THEM.
NOW, THAT MAY BE RESTAURANTS, IT MIGHT BE BARS, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE VOTERS PASSED TO THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT GAVE LIQUOR LICENSE TO THE CITY THAT WE COULD USE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE STATE TO BRING DOWN.
SO WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.
WE'VE DONE STUDIES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY MADE THE DECISION TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE ORIGINAL OWNER PASSED AWAY AND THEN WENT TO THE FAMILY, THE FAMILY HAD NO INTEREST IN THE, UH, IN FARMING OR KEEPING THAT PROPERTY.
SO THEY WERE FINALLY WILLING TO SELL IT, UH, AT A PRICE THAT MADE, THAT MADE SENSE.
AND WE'VE DONE STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD GO THERE, WHAT IT COULD BE.
IT'S ALL PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I THINK THE CITY HAS, HAS DONE, UH, A LOT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA WORK THERE AND WHAT AND WHAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK THERE.
AND WE'VE GOT SOME DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS NOW WHO ARE PUTTING UP RATHER THAN SHUTTING UP.
AND IT IS IN THE FORM OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
AND THAT'S WHAT STARTS, RESTAURANT OWNERS HAVE SAID, IF THEY DON'T HAVE PEOPLE VISITING THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK AND EATING FOOD AND DRINKING AND SPENDING MONEY IN THEIR PLACES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR BILLS.
SO TO THINK THAT IF SOMEBODY JUST OPENS UP A RESTAURANT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD SOMEWHERE, WE COULD DRIVE ANYWHERE AROUND AND LOOK AT AN OPEN FIELD, AND WE WOULD SEE RESTAURANTS, OR WE WOULD SEE BARS JUST SETTING UP BECAUSE THE LAND IS CHEAP.
THEY DON'T HAVE A, A COUNCIL OF EIGHT OR NINE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE TO GET THROUGH.
SO IF THAT MODEL WORKED, WE WOULD SEE RESTAURANTS AND BARS JUST POPPED UP IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF FIELDS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT WE DON'T, WE SEE THEM IN CENTERS WHERE THERE'S POPULATION DENSITY.
BUSINESSES WILL NOT MOVE TO A PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
SO IF, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS, I MEAN, AND MR. LYONS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A COLLECTIVE VISION THAT WE ALL HAD, THAT WE WANTED TO SEE RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND ESTABLISHMENTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, UH, PLACES UP THERE.
BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE.
AND IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO BUILD PLACES OR APPROVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE COULD BE SETTING UP HERE OR ANOTHER COUNCIL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
WHY IS NOTHING HAPPENING ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD? WELL, THE ANSWER IS, WELL, THERE'S NO PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, AT LEAST WHAT I HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THROUGH CONVERSATIONS.
THE COLLECTIVE VISION OF THIS COUNCIL IS, UM, I'VE LEFT ANYTHING OUT.
UM, SO NO, I THINK, I THINK YOU EXPLAINED YOUR POSITION PRETTY WELL.
SO THE VISION IS, UM, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ALONG WITH BARS, RESTAURANTS, OTHER, UM, OTHER ENTERTAINMENT AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GO FOR A NIGHT OUT, WHETHER IT BE MUSIC, A RESTAURANT, A BAR, A PUB SOMEPLACE THEY COULD GO ENJOY THEIR SELF HERE WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE HUBER HEIGHTS AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
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SO, MR. WALTON, WOULD THAT, UH, END THE REST OF PLANNING COMMISSION? WOULD THAT BE, UH, AT LEAST THE GENERAL DIRECTION ON THE VISION AND WHERE TO GO? MAYBE? SURE.AND THEN OF COURSE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.
AND HOW YOU DECIDE TO VOTE IS INDEPENDENT OF ANYTHING THAT WE SAY OR DO WE HAVE THE FINAL APPROVAL IN MANY CASES, OF COURSE, BUT YOU'RE STILL, IT'S YOUR VOTE.
AND WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED, I FEEL PLANNING COMMISSION.
EVEN IF WE MAY DISAGREE FROM TIME TO TIME, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.
SOMETIMES WE CHANGE OUR MINDS REALLY QUICKLY, SO, AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE RIGHT WAY TOO.
SO, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.
THANK YOU, MAYOR ED, APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE, HAVE ANYTHING RELEASED? UM, YEAH.
THANK YOU, MAYOR TERRY, I KNOW THAT THE TERM IS USUALLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT TOO LONG OR NOT LONG ENOUGH TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION?
UM, I, I, I JUST SAY, JUST ASKING NOTHING.
I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE VOLUNTEERED YOUR TIME AND ARE WE GIVING YOU THE SUPPLIES THAT YOU NEED? ARE YOU GETTING THE TRAINING YOU NEED? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED FROM US TO DO FOR? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
UM, NO, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE, WE GET PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE NEED TO, TO HAVE, UH, THERE'S A FEW, FEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, AND I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK FOR THEM.
UH, THEN WE'VE TALKED TO MR. CRELL ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF, OF BEING HANDLED.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO THERE.
AND I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP TO YOU GUYS, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING.
I DON'T MIND SWAP, PLEASE FREE
UH, I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WONDERING ABOUT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
UH, AND, UH, A COUPLE OF 'EM COME TO MIND.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, SIZE OF THE PARKING LOTS THAT WE REQUIRE IN THE CITY.
UH, A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US THROUGH AARON.
HE'S REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB IN KEEPING US UP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING NATIONWIDE.
SIZE OF PARKING LOTS, UH, SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT.
I DISAGREE WITH THE, THE WIDTH OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KEEP IT WIDE, BUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACE OF, UH, BUSINESSES HERE THAT WE'VE REQUIRED LARGE PARKING LOTS AND THEY JUST SIT THERE EMPTY.
AND, UH, OF COURSE, THAT, THAT'S, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE.
UH, THE OTHER ONE IS THE AMOUNT OF BRICK OR FAKE BRICK, OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, ON A HOUSE, ON A, ON ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WELL, IN THE BUSINESS AREA TOO, I GUESS.
UH, BUT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, THAT HAS COME BEFORE US WHEN WE HAVE THESE LARGE COMPLEXES.
SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE 7%, SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE 20%.
I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS.
BUT THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, COME TO MIND.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NATIONWIDE.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO LIVE TOGETHER OR LIVE DIFFERENTLY, AND WE ARE WONDERING ABOUT, HASN'T COME TO US YET, OR TO HUBER HEIGHTS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS THE TINY HOMES, THE SMALL HOMES.
WE DON'T ALLOW TWO RESIDENCES ON ONE PROPERTY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT? AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT AS A COMMISSION, THAT WE NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THE, UH, UH, COUNCIL IS.
AND, UM, THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON.
AND WE'RE WONDERING HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT IT? SO I THINK THAT THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OUR TWO GROUPS NEEDS TO COME MORE OFTEN RATHER THAN LESS OFTEN.
I MEAN, JANE, I WOULD JUST SAY, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS COUNCIL WOULD, WOULD MIND, UM, YOU WANT ME TO THINK FROM AN ISSUE OF, OF THE TINY HOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOME OF THOSE PLACES ARE AWESOME.
I THINK IF THE RESEARCH, I MEAN, I WOULD BE OPEN IF THE RESEARCH AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT THERE'S REASONS THAT THAT TYPE OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT OR THAT THE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT OR THOSE TYPE OF HOMES WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL HERE AND THIS CITY.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REASON THAT WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT TYPE OF, IT'S SO DIFFERENT, RIGHT? I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO SEE SOME DATA AND RESEARCH THAT WOULD SHOW WHY THAT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.
AND IF WE HAVE THE DATA BACKING IT UP, THEN I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE OPPOSED TO LOOKING INTO THAT, EXCEPT THAT RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND UNLIKE COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO GO BY
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WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS, RIGHT? IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEN WE HAVE TO VOTE.UH, BUT COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THOSE RULES.
UM, AND ALSO, ALONG WITH WHAT JAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW A LOT OF THE TINY HOMES ARE BUILT IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE, UM, MILITARY, LIKE DISABLED MILITARY, AND JUST TO GIVE THEM A COMMON SPACE AMONG THEIR FELLOW, UM, VETERANS WITH SIMILAR PROBLEMS AND STUFF.
BUT ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT I WAS REALLY KIND OF SURPRISED THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET IS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND THOSE ARE BECOMING VERY POPULAR, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE USED FOR LIKE, IF, UM, YOU'VE GOT A MOTHER-IN-LAW OR A MOTHER THAT YOU WANT IN A, IN A SEPARATE DWELLING ON YOUR PROPERTY, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, I, I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING PROBABLY SOONER THAN TINY HOMES, BUT, AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, THAT WE DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL IT HITS US BEFORE WE MAKE A ZONING CODE.
AND I THINK AARON'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND IS PROBABLY THINKING LONG TERM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THAT IN, IN POSSIBLE CHANGES IN THE CODES.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP ARE, ARE IN THE FUTURE, FOR SURE.
YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, DISCUSSION OF PARKING SPOTS COMES UP AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, UH, AN ISSUE THAT I'M GROWING INCREASINGLY CONCERNED WITH.
AND, UH, I THINK I'VE EVEN SHARED SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, UH, ALONGSIDE COUNCILWOMAN BAKER ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, THE INSTANCES THAT, UH, YOU BRING UP THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO LIVE TOGETHER.
UM, I, I MEAN, MY, MY DAUGHTER JUST MOVED OUT YESTERDAY AND SHE MOVED IN WITH A GROUP OF FRIENDS INTO A TOWN HOME HERE IN HUBER THAT ONLY PROVIDES TWO PARKING SPOTS WHERE THEY NEED THREE.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD AS YOU'RE HAVING MORE FRIENDS, UH, RELATIVES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, COMBINE INCOMES AND, AND MOVING INTO A TWO OR THREE, UH, BEDROOM UNIT, UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND ENTERTAIN THEMSELVES MORE, UH, WITHIN THEIR MEANS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I THINK WE'RE SEEING, UM, BUSINESSES, UM, THAT HAVE COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A, A RATIO PARKING THAT I, I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH BECAUSE AS WE SEE, UM, THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS REVIEWED, LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THAT WERE BEING MADE DURING THAT TIME.
LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING MADE NOW.
ADDITIONALLY, THE, UH, THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR EV VEHICLES, UH, THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE TAKEN UP AS WE, YOU KNOW, GO TO KROGER'S OR MYERS, UH, WHEN A TRUCK HAS A TRAILER ON THE BACK OF IT, OR WHEN A DULY IS SITTING THERE WITH A, UH, UH, A LARGE BALL IN THE BACK OF IT.
AND YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN UP TWO SPOTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME WITH ONE VEHICLE, NOT INTENTIONALLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE.
UM, I, I DO THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
CUZ THIS PROBLEM IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE WITH OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND, AND WITH OUR TRAFFIC, UM, PATTERNS.
I, IF OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THOSE AREAS OFF OF TROY AND BRANT, UM, AND, AND GET THOSE TRAFFIC OFF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, BUT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE WITH NO TURNING RADIUS AND NO PARKING SPOTS TO, UM, TO PARK AT WELL THAN, OR, OR VERY LITTLE, UM, THAT'S GOING TO, TO DETER THAT BUSINESS ALTOGETHER, IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE, THE MASONRY CONCEPT, I, I KNOW I'VE HAD, UH, CONCERNS WITH THAT AND CONVERSATIONS ON THIS WHOLE HARDY BOARD DISCUSSION THAT I, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM REMEMBERS FROM A ROUGHLY A YEAR PLUS AGO.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD SOME OF OUR, OUR HOME DEVELOPERS TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD IF WE'RE GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORS AND HOMEOWNERS LIVE BY A PROPERTY, UM, A PROPERTY CODE.
HOWEVER, THESE DEVELOPERS CAN COME IN AND PUT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS ALIKE OR IT CAN STICK SOME SOMETHING UP THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS NOT THE INTENT OF WHEN IT WAS PUT INTO THE BOOKS THAT IT IS TO BE STONE.
UM, NOT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE STONE OR PAINTED LIKE STONE.
IT IS TO BE BRICK, NOT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE BRICK, OR IT COULD BE PAINTED LIKE BRICK.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE AS THE CITY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ENFORCING THOSE ITEMS AND, UH, AND PROVIDING PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A, A CLEAR AND CONCISE DIRECTION THAT ONCE THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PASSED, THAT THIS CITY WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT IT
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IS UPHOLDING THOSE STANDARDS ON THE BACK END INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH A REACTIVE SCENARIO, UH, WHEN WE'RE CAUGHT, UH, WHEN THE DEVELOPERS HAVE THEIR HANDS IN THE COOKIE JAR NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.LIKE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LOWER THOSE DOWN FOR YOU AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE'VE SEEN THAT DONE, WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT DONE TO DEVELOPERS IN THIS ROOM BEFORE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF HOLDING THOSE STANDARDS.
AND IF THAT MEANS THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO REWRITE THOSE BOOKS AND MAKE, AND TAKING OUT THE SHALLS AND THE, AND THE WILLS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND PUTTING IN CLEAR, CONCISE LANGUAGE, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
CUZ AGAIN, THAT PROVIDES YOU GUYS THE POWER WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND MAKING SURE THAT THESE DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
INSTEAD OF THAT, THE 11TH HOUR WHEN THE CONCRETE TRUCK IS, UH, NEXT TO COUNCILMAN WEBB'S HOUSE, UH, MAKING LOUD NOISES AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING.
UM, JUST, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING SPACES IN YEARS PAST, UH, WITH BUSINESSES PROBABLY HAVING TOO MANY ON THE BOOKS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, TO SEE IF, UM, WHEN WE APPROVE BUSINESSES IN THE PROPER PARKING SPACES, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, INSTEAD OF EXCESSIVE, UH, TINY HOMES.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS OPEN, EXCUSE ME, UH, TO LOOKING AT SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NEW.
UM, SO I'LL ALWAYS KEEP AN OPEN MIND, BUT GENERALLY I'M THINKING TINY HOMES WOULD BE BETTER NORTH OF THE CITY OF, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS LIMITS IN MIAMI COUNTY, EAST IN CLARK COUNTY, LIKE TRAILER PARK.
I LOVE THE TINY HOMES, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE A GOOD FIT FOR HUBER.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, I DO KNOW, UH, COUNSEL IS W TALKING AND STRUGGLING WITH THE DECISION, UH, WITH THE, UM, TRACTOR TRAILER DROP LOT.
UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IT WAS APPROVED BY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WAS NOT APPROVED.
IT WAS TURNED DOWN BY NOT A DROP LOT.
WELL, WITH, UM, THE, UM, WE, I THINK REPAIR, I THINK THEY, THEY'D LIKE TO DO A DROP LOT FROM HOW IT SOUNDS, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WE APPROVED.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY GOOD FOR HUBER EITHER.
BUT NO, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT WE HAVE.
AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT, I THINK, RIGHT, TONY? YEP.
IT'S ON THE AGENDA OF THIS EVENING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING CUZ I'M GENERALLY AGAINST THE, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER, UH, PARKING LOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
UH, BUT I, I HOPE THAT THAT HELPS IN, IN SOME OF THAT.
I KNOW THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE TO CHANGE SOME OF THE ORDINANCE POTENTIALLY, BUT I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE, DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR HIGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, I HAVE KIND OF A, UM, UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT I'VE, UH, SAT AMONGST YOU AND, UH, HAVE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO MY QUESTION IS GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE GENERAL AND IT GOES BACK TO SOMETHING, UM, MS. VAGO, UM, TOUCHED ON.
THAT'S COMMUNICATION, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION.
AND THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO ME, EVEN, UH, WHEN I WAS ON PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF AN ISSUE.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION, GUIDANCE, VISIONING FROM COUNCIL, UH, TO DO THE JOB YOU NEED TO DO FROM COUNCIL? HONESTLY, NO, BECAUSE WE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL.
UM, WHEN THINGS COME TO US, WE HAVE A DECISION RECORD THAT GOES TO YOU GUYS, SO YOU KNOW HOW THE VOTES HAPPEN.
AND THEN IT MIGHT BE A MONTH OR WHATEVER BEFORE IT GETS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT UNLESS I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF YOU OR I SIT AND WATCH THE MEETINGS, WHICH I, I'M PUT IN ENOUGH TIME.
OTHER PLACES, I, I WATCH SOME, BUT NOT ALL.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MINOR, WE KNOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE VOTE ON THAT YOU'D BE NICE TO HEAR.
HEY, HOW DID, HOW DID THAT GET VOTED ON? OR, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HORIZON LINE, PERFECT EXAMPLE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHERE WITH, WITH ED, WHEN I WAS TALKING BEFORE ABOUT THE PROJECT ON EXECUTIVE, WE'RE WAY BEHIND TALKING ABOUT THE THEME OF EXECUTIVE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SAID A LONG TIME AGO THAT WE KNOW A BIG PROJECT LIKE THAT IS COMING.
IT'D BE GOOD TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE ON MY SIDE ANYWAY, NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT WHEN THE PROJECT COMES TO US, IT'S GONE THROUGH THE BACK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND EXECUTIVE SESSION AND EVERYTHING ALREADY, I'M SURE.
SO IT'S GONE THROUGH YOU GUYS AND THROUGH STAFF AND THEN TO US.
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I'M ASSUMING IT'S BEEN BLESSED BY YOU GUYS OR SOMETHING WAS BLESSED BY YOU GUYS AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT WHEN IT GETS TO US, ONE OR THE OTHER.RIGHT? AND THEN ONCE IT LEAVES US, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S CHANGED WHEN IT'S GOTTEN TO YOU GUYS.
CAUSE I'VE WATCHED SOME OF THE MEETINGS AND SEEN WHERE THERE WERE CHANGES.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR WHEN THOSE CHANGES ARE ONE, IF SOMETHING YOU VOTED ON THAT COMES TO US IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU GUYS DISCUSSED, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WHEN SOMETHING COMES FROM US TO YOU GUYS THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM HOW IT WAS DISCUSSED, I THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.
I I THINK EVERYBODY'S AGREED ON THAT.
UM, BUT IT, IT HAD BEEN THE CASE.
I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER WATCHING OR BEING AT A MEETING BEFORE WHERE YOU GUYS HAD A SLIDE SHOWN TO YOU FOR A DISCUSSION THAT WASN'T EVEN THE DRAWINGS OF A PROJECT THAT WE HAD VOTED ON, OR IT WAS LIKE TWO MEETINGS OR TWO CHANGES BEFORE.
SO THE COMMUNICATIONS CIRCLE, IT'S NOT JUST THE US AND YOU GUYS, IT'S US, YOU GUYS PLUS STAFF.
ALL RIGHT? I, I THINK THAT WHOLE CIRCLE WE NEED TO IMPROVE, UH, COMMUNICATION OR AT LEAST CLOSING THE LOOP, RIGHT? AND, AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT EXECUTIVE WAY, I SAID, WHAT'S THE TONE? CUZ I'M THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE ORIGINAL HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT CAME THROUGH, IT CLEARLY DIDN'T FIT WHAT I THOUGHT EXECUTIVE WAS OR WHAT THE GOAL, LONG-TERM GOAL WAS.
BUT AGAIN, DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WAS DONE, WENT THROUGH, STAFF COMES TO US.
SO THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE, UH, THE THE BIGGEST BENEFIT I SEE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE A SET OF FRESH EYES MM-HMM.
UH, REGARDLESS WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT'S A SET OF FRESH EYES MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS COMING BACK TO US, UM, OFTENTIMES BRINGS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
SO, UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHERE, HOW ARE YOU GETTING YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? UM, I'M ASSUMING, UH, STAFF AARON BRIAN, WHEN NECESSARY, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE PICKING UP THE PHONE AND, UH, UH, GETTING AHOLD OF STAFF OR ANYONE? YEAH.
AARON, AM I COMFORTABLE CALLING YOU
IT REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE BETTER THAN ANYTHING.
AARON, UH, SEEMS TO BE DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO WHEN AARON'S LOOKING AWAY, YOU CAN NOD YES OR NO AND LET US KNOW IF HE'S DOING ALRIGHT.
UM, I DO HAVE, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, AT ONE TIME YOU WERE HAVING TROUBLE, UM, PACKETS BEING DELIVERED IN A TIMELY MANNER, GETTING THE INFORMATION, PLENTY OF TIME.
HAS THAT BEEN RECTIFIED? ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION? YEAH, CLEARLY NOW.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU IS, WHAT CAN, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER AND COUNCIL? I, I WOULD SAY JUST OCCASIONALLY MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
PERSONALLY, I THINK WE GOT A LOT GOING ON.
I MEAN, WE GOT GOOD PROBLEMS. WE TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER AREAS, THEY'RE, THEY PEOPLE IN TOWN.
I DON'T KEEP GRIPING KNOW THEY'RE GROWING TOO FAST.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE ME AND WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING? THAT'S GOTTA BE AMAZING, RIGHT? SO I LIKE THAT SIDE OF THE STORY BETTER.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT IN MOTION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE BIG PROJECTS THAT COME ALONG FROM TIME TO TIME.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THE MAJOR PROJECTS, WHICH YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, UH, I I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MORE, MORE OF A DISCUSSION HEADING INTO THOSE ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO IS PUT THE DEVELOPER THROUGH THE RINGER, GO TO YOU GUYS AND GET VOTED DOWN CUZ NONE OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE OR US SEND YOU GUYS SOMETHING.
YOU'RE LIKE, MAN, WHAT THE HECK? THAT'S CRAP.
YOU KNOW? OR WE VOTE NO ON SOMETHING, YOU GUYS UNANIMOUSLY VOTE.
WE'RE CLEARLY ON A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT STUFF HAPPENS.
AND I THINK PERSONALLY ANYWAY, JUST ME SPEAKING, I, I THINK THE MAJOR PROJECTS DO PROBABLY COULD USE A LITTLE MORE OF THAT INPUT AT THE FRONTLINE.
UM, OR A, A SCHEDULED JOINT WORK SESSION WHEN THAT TOPIC COMES IN OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, ON THE FRONTLINE WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED STUFF LIKE THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE STORY RANCHES ON EXECUTIVE THAT WE ALL KNOW WAS TOO LOW DENSITY AND DIDN'T FIT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHAT'S GOING OVER THERE.
AND I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SAY WE NEED LOW DENSITY.
SO, NANCY? YEAH, I'M SORRY DON, JUST REAL QUICK.
ARE YOU OKAY AND NANCY, ON YOURS, ON THE ADUS, WE ACTUALLY DID RECENTLY TALK ABOUT THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT YEAH.
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I KNOW I'VE I'VE MENTIONED IT TO AARON BEFORE AND YEAH.ASIDE FROM, EVEN ASIDE FROM THE TINY HOUSES, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE SHELL, THE SHEDS THAT CAN BE CONVERTED OR AMAZON'S DOING THE TINY HOUSE IN A BOX NOW THAT FOR LIKE FIVE GRAND YOU CAN HAVE AN EX AN ADU IN THE BACKYARD.
THE TINY HOUSES ARE, ARE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED ARE KIND OF BUILT IN AS A COMMUNITY WITH THEM THEMSELVES.
OH, YOU THROW IT OUT IN A FARM FIELD, JUST YOU PUT WHEELS ON IT, YOU DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAX.
TINY HOUSES GENERALLY THOUGH, DON'T HAVE WHEELS ON THEM.
WELL, YEAH, THEY BUILD 'EM ON A FRAME.
THE THE ONES ON THE TV SHOW OR SOMETHING, THAT'S THE BIG EASE.
AND AND TO ED'S POINT, I MEAN, THEY'RE RUNNING LIKE 80, 90 GRAND.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TRAILER PARKS.
UM, DO YOU, DO YOU
DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO JUST PAUSE A VOTE ON THAT UNTIL YOU CAN GATHER MORE INFORMATION FROM COUNSEL OR STAFF? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT QUITE OFTEN HERE RECENTLY.
UH, AS, AS POSTPONED VEIN UNTIL WE FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION, UH, WHETHER IT'S SUPPLY, USUALLY IT DOES COME, MR. CERONE USUALLY TAKES CARE OF THAT FOR US AND BRINGS US MORE INFORMATION.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UH, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, OKAY, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND SOMEHOW, RIGHT.
I THINK YOUR YOUR POINT MORE RECENTLY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
HAS THE TONE BEEN, HEY, IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT? IT PROBABLY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY.
YEAH, WELL WE WOULD RATHER, AT LEAST SPEAKING FOR MY, FOR MYSELF, I WOULD RATHER SEE YOU PUT A PAUSE ON IT AND GET MORE INFORMATION THAN BRING IT TO US.
CUZ I REALLY DON'T LIKE VOTING AGAINST WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS UNLESS THERE'S ONE HECK OF A GOOD REASON WHY.
AND IF THAT REASON COMES UP, I'D HAVE TO ASK WHY YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT OR, OR WHY YOU VOTED THE WAY YOU DID.
BUT, UM, WHEN IT GETS TO YOU, NOTHING IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.
AND I, I HOPE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT AND YOU DO HAVE ALL THE AUTHORITY IN THE WORLD TO QUESTION EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT PROJECT TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE.
WELL, I THINK THE FEELING IN THE PAST WAS, WAS HERE IT IS IN FRONT OF US, IT'S GOTTA BE DECIDED TONIGHT CUZ IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA HA YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OR ANYWAY, SO WE WERE, WE WERE, WELL, AT LEAST WITH ME, I FELT, YEAH, I FELT PRESSURED TO VOTE TO EITHER, EITHER PASS IT OR NOT PASS IT VERSUS JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
IT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER WEEK OR ANOTHER MONTH.
AND I THINK TO THE, IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE ALL JUST FIGURED, HEY, WE, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE LIKE THIS.
WE'RE WANT TO HAVE TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THIS CASE AND, AND IF EVERYBODY GETS UPSET WITH THIS, SO BE IT.
SO WE'RE THERE MENTALLY NOW
I'M HAPPY THAT YOU FEEL THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, ON PROJECTS THAT COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE SEE THEM WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER IT BE THE RENDERINGS, DRAWINGS, CONCEPT PLANS, LAYOUTS, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE NEED YOU TO BE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE, YOU, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, BUT TO KEEP UP, YOU, YOU ARE THE GATEKEEPER, RIGHT? FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE TO COUNSEL WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED BY, YOU KNOW, BY THE DEVELOPERS.
SO BY THE TIME WE GET IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ALL THOSE, YOUR PROCESSES, RIGHT? REALLY CRACKING IT DOWN TO FIND OUT IS THEN WHAT WE ARE GETTING ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SIDE, THE BEST PROJECT THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN GET.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE DEVELOPER AND, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SHOW UP THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MIGHT AFFECT THEM AND THE DEVELOPER IS WORKING AND AGREEING TO, TO DO THINGS TO HELP THE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT.
SO ALL THAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATION'S GOING ON.
BUT WHEN WE GET IT, I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S ASSUMING THAT IT'S, IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE GATEKEEPING PROCESS AND THEN WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH THE BEST PROJECT POSSIBLE AT THAT POINT.
I, I THINK OUR ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WELL AT LEAST I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH AWARE THAT THEN ONCE THE ZONING IS APPROVED ON SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE THAT'S IT RIGHT? FOR US.
SO IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO YOU THEN TO, TO KIND OF
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MOLD IT AND SHARPEN IT EVEN FURTHER AT THAT POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE DETAILED PLANS.UM, THE, SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT IMPROVING THE BASIC PLAN ALONG WITH IT.
WE'RE JUST PROVING REZONING SOMETIMES THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE REZONING HAPPENED TOGETHER, BUT ONCE, ONCE THAT LEAVES HERE, IT, IT DOESN'T COME BACK UNTIL WE SEE IT COMING OUTTA THE GROUND SOMEWHERE.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT, I'M JUST MM-HMM
UH, ONE THING THAT I, I WOULD ASK AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, RICHARD, ON THE, ON THE SCHEDULING, SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A TON OF STUFF THAT, THAT'S GOING ON.
I KNOW IT, IT PROBABLY GETS FRUSTRATING.
WE'VE HAD, YOU GOT TWO MEETINGS SCHEDULED A MONTH AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS AGENDA.
SO I THINK HAVE WE GONE TO JUST ONE, ONE MEETING A MONTH? BUT AS WE, IS THAT, IS THAT WORKING OKAY? I MEAN, I THINK IS THE FLEXIBILITY OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS IF WE HAVE ENOUGH STUFF TO KIND OF, TO TO BREAK THAT UP WHERE WE CAN HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH WHERE IT COMES BY.
IS THAT JUST A SCHEDULING ISSUE? OR IF WE ALL JUST SAID, NO, WE ONLY NEED ONE MEETING.
YOU KNOW, I I I I, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, I DON'T THINK I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING A SECOND MEETING AND IN THE MONTH IF WARNING.
UM, I THINK WITH NOTICE, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO ONCE, ONCE A MONTH.
UNLESS THERE'S, IT'S A HEAVY LOAD OR, OR THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD'VE A PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THAT WAS EVEN THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE VOTED TO GO TO THE ONCE A MONTH.
I THINK WE EVEN HAD THE DISCUSSION THEN THAT, THAT IF SO THE FLEXIBILITY IS THERE.
OKAY, RICHARD, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, MR. JEFFRIES, ONE OF THE ITEMS YOU HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, UH, WHICH IS COMMUNICATION.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGES, UH, THE MARRIAGE HAS RECENTLY DISCUSSED ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT, UH, IS STILL A, UM, A BURNING ISSUE FOR ME WHEN THIS COUNCIL DISCUSSES REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND, UM, EITHER MYSELF OR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL TALK ABOUT ITEMS WITHIN THAT PLAN, WHETHER IT BE PARKING SPOTS, UH, LINE OF SIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
OH, IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
OKAY? WHEN THAT COMES BACK TO YOU, THERE'S NO FORMAL REPORT THAT GETS EMAILED OUT TO US THAT SAYS THIS IS THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE AND VICE VERSA.
WHEN THINGS HAPPEN ON YOUR END AND, UH, THEY COME TO COUNCIL AND WE SAY, WELL, WHY, WHY WAS IT VOTED? YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY, WHY WAS IT VOTED THAT WAY? WHAT HAPPENED? WE DIDN'T EVEN SEE THAT DRAWING.
WE WANT TO SEE OTHER STUFF AND WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
I'M GONNA BET MY LAST BUFFALO NICKEL.
YOU ALL DON'T GET AN EMAIL ABOUT WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.
SO YES, I DO AGREE THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED COMMUNICATION TWO WAYS WHEN IT GOES THERE.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE NOT FULLY INVOLVED, UM, IN THE I IN THE CONVERSATION, THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE ON MULTITUDES OF PROJECTS THAT MAY CHANGE ONCE IT COMES OUTTA PLANNING COMMISSION, WELL THAT'S US PROVIDING DIRECTION TO YOU.
AND I THINK THAT RE I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A WRITTEN REPORT THAT GOES OUT TO ALL PARTIES, COUNSELING AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND VICE VERSA WHEN CHANGES ARE, ARE DISCUSSED HERE TO GO TO YOU FOLKS FOR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
I HOPE, UM, THERE IS SOME SORT OF WRITTEN COMMUNICATION THAT'S PROVIDED IN YOUR, IN THE DECISION RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, HELPS YOU GUYS DOWN THAT GUIDED PATH.
UM, AND UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF FORMAL COMMUNICATION, UM, THAT, UH, AN EMAIL DATABASE THAT IS SET UP THAT WHERE ALL PARTIES IS ON THERE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T ALL SIT THERE AND CHIT CHAT VIA EMAIL DUE TO, YOU KNOW, STATE REGULATIONS.
HOWEVER, THAT THAT SHOWS US THAT ALL PARTIES GOT THAT COMMUNICATION.
UM, BUT I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO OCCUR ON THAT.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE AS, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN EMAIL CHAIN, COULD JUST BE A QUICK SUMMARY RECAP AT YES.
LIKE IF WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK AND YOU GUYS VOTE ON SOMETHING THIS WEEK, IT'S A PROJECT OF OURS FROM TWO MONTHS AGO AND WE CAN JUST GET AN UPDATE AND BE FINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF SAID FAR AS NOT KNOWING, BUT THEN IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, BIG CHANGES, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND NOT ON TIME, CUZ I DON'T WANNA GET TOO DEEP INTO THE, WELL, NOT THE FACT THAT I, I DON'T MIND HAVING GOOD PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN, UH, ITEMS COME UP OR, UH, UH, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS AT THE, UH, LOCAL GROCERY STORE.
UM, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT COULD BE DAMPERED DOWN WITH THAT SUMMARY REPORT, UH, SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT TAKES PLACE ON THAT DETAILED PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T SEE IT ANY LONGER AND THEN VICE VERSA.
AND SO JAMES, I THINK I'M JUST GONNA ASK AGAIN.
SO NOW I THINK WE'VE BEEN KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.
WE'VE ASKED YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT YOU CAME TO THE PODIUM FOR A REASON TOO, SO
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HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD BEEN, WE HAD ASKED LITERALLY A YEAR AGO ABOUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.THIS IS BACK BEFORE THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT EVEN STARTED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DISCOUNT TIRE THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE BUILT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAD APPROVED CERTAIN DESIGN AND IT CAME TO US FOR THE DETAILED PLAN AND WE'RE SITTING THERE TRYING TO TWEAK THEIR DESIGNS AND STUFF, AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE REQUIRING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BRICK AND STUFF, IT'S A LITTLE LATE TO COME BACK TO THE DEVELOPER THEN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE TOO, I MEAN, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SAY YES TO GET TO THE NEXT POINT.
TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE HAD THEM COME IN AND SAY, OH, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO ASK US BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR THOSE CHANGES.
I MEAN, THAT WAS IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T SEEN SO SOME OF THAT LATELY.
SO, BUT NO, IT WAS MAINLY TO ANSWER THAT, YOU KNOW, QUESTION ADUS, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE THE COMMUNICATION CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, CLOSING IT UP ON SOME THINGS.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE BIG PROJECTS AND SMALL PROJECTS AND YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A BUNCH, YOU GUYS HAVE OBVIOUSLY A, A LOT MORE THAN US.
WE'RE AWARE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT FOR Y'ALL TO KEEP UP WITH ON TOP OF THE ADDITIONAL PHONE CALLS.
UM, MS. BAKER HAD ASKED ABOUT THE FIVE YEARS.
I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S A BIG, I I'M UP IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, SAYING YES FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, SAYING YES.
YEAH, OKAY, ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, LET'S GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT.
RIGHT? SO TO, FOR ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S JUST, JUST WHERE, WHERE I'M AT.
UM, I AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN ALL THIS STUFF GETS REVIEWED AND ASSESSED, I, I THINK HONESTLY, IF IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE, IT PROBABLY WARRANTS A DISCUSSION ABOUT ASSESSING EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF WHAT'S THE ROLE, HOW MANY SHOULD BE ON THERE, YOU KNOW, TERMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOT TERM LIMITS, TERM LENGTH ON CAR, TERM LIMITS, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT DO THOSE LOOK LIKE? AND MAYBE IT'S BEEN DONE MORE RECENTLY THAN I KNOW, BUT I KNOW WE JUST DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S DONE WHAT, EVERY 10 YEARS THERE'S THE O C REVIEW THAT GETS DONE EVERY HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN STUFF LIKE THAT GETS REVIEWED, YOU KNOW, AND THE DIRECTION OF COMMISSIONS.
BUT, AND THAT'S JUST ME PERSONAL, I'LL JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT THE TERM IS FIVE YEARS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT'S SET IN THE CITY CHARTER, RIGHT? SO, UM, NOT ALL THE BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS ARE SET IN THE CITY CHARTER, BUT BZA PLANNING PARKS AND REC ARE, RIGHT.
SO, UH, ALL OF THOSE WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER CHANGE TO CHANGE THE LENGTH OF THE TERM.
AND, AND I'M, I JUST, JUST FROM MY STANDPOINT OF THE DECISION, AND I ASSUME IT'S CAUSE THERE'S FIVE OF US THAT'S ONLY REPLACING ONE A YEAR.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT LIMITS THE CHANCE OF A BIG GAP IN SERVICE.
I, I GET, I'M FINE WITH ALL THAT.
I JUST, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS IS, IS, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA SAY, YEAH, I'LL DO IT AND THEN GET HALFWAY THROUGH AND SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE BUSY RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S CAR NOTE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE COMPLETELY UPBEAT, BUT I THINK AS A COMMUNITY WE'VE DONE PRETTY WELL.
UH, AARON, YOU, YOU WORK FOR SEVERAL CITIES WORKING HERE IS LIKE DRINKING OUT OF A FIRE HOSE, IS IT NOT? IT IT CERTAINLY WAS THE FIRST FEW MONTHS.
AND IT'S BUSY FOR THE COUNCIL.
IT'S BUSY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE, WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT SHOPPING CENTERS LIKE NORTH PARK, I THINK MR. WEBB, YOU WERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION BACK THEN WAY BACK WHEN.
AND, AND AS YOU PROGRESSED TO TODAY, UH, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY SMART.
UM, WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES.
AARON DIDN'T COME HERE BY ACCIDENT.
THERE WAS A NEED, THERE WAS A GAP AND WE, WE FILLED THAT GAP.
I APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU'VE BEEN ON.
I I I REALLY COULDN'T TELL YOU A LONG TIME, JAN, YOU, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AS A, A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU ALSO BRING THE COUNCIL EXPERTISE THAT YOU LEARNED OVER DECADES.
UH, THE, THE SUPPORT THAT YOU BRING IS, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
UH, BRIAN, JUST, JUST ONE DEAL TAKES A LOT, DOES IT NOT? NO, SIR.
AND YOU'RE DRIVEN BY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, PURCHASE PRICES, SELL AGREEMENTS.
UM, I, I KNOW THE HORIZON LINE, UH, PROJECT.
THERE, THERE WERE SOME, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT, THAT WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT MORE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WANTED TO PASS IT.
IT ULTIMATELY I THINK ENDED UP IN AN EIGHT ZERO VOTE.
IT JUST WASN'T THE RIGHT PRODUCT.
SO YOUR INITIAL THOUGHT WAS IT WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT AND THAT ULTIMATELY IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT HERE.
WE, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT DECISION ON MOST OF THE DECISIONS WE'VE MADE, SO, RIGHT.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE, IF THERE'S
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A WAY, LIKE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE WERE ALL OBVIOUSLY IN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING OF A DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD AT THE FRONT END TO SAVE ALL OF THE TIME OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT OR THE STAFF HOURS THAT WENT INTO THE STUFF THAT WE ULTIMATELY ALL VOTED DOWN? CAUSE A LOT OF RESOURCES WENT INTO THAT.UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE LEGAL EASE, IF NO, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS THEN SO BE IT.
BUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TIE UP EXTRA TIME IN YOUR GUYS' WORK SESSIONS THAN THE VOTES AT THE MEETINGS, THEIR TIME ON THE STAFF SIDE, DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS, THE LEGAL SIDE.
IF WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, HEY, ON THE FRONT END, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A GOOD FIT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO JUST CUT ALL THOSE HOURS OUT? I'M NOT SURE SOME OF THAT WORK ISN'T HEALTHY AND, AND ISN'T THE REASON FOR THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'VE APPRECIATED.
UM, NOW TO THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD QUESTION EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD'S POTENTIAL AS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WITH ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR, SUCCESSFUL ENTERTAINMENT VENUES IN THE MIAMI VALLEY? RIGHT.
I I, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SCRATCH MY HEAD IF ANYONE WOULD QUESTION THAT.
UM, BRIAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY OF DAYTON, THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS EVERYBODY MOVED OUT OF THE CITY OF DAYTON TO THE POINT THAT I BELIEVE THEY OFFERED A BLANKET 10 PERC OR A 10 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THAT WAS UNHEARD OF IN THE REGION WHEN THEY ROLLED THAT OUT.
THEY NEEDED PEOPLE, THERE ARE RESTAURANT ROWS WITHIN DRIVING DISTANCE FROM HERE THAT COULD REALLY USE SOME PEOPLE LIVING AROUND IT.
SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAGON STADIUM, AND IT WAS 20 YEARS BEFORE ANY REDEVELOPMENT OCCURRED, AND ONE OF THE FIRST REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WAS HUNDREDS OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS RIGHT THERE BY THE BASEBALL STADIUM.
I DON'T THINK THINGS HAPPEN JUST BY HAPPENING.
AND I THINK ALL OF US HAVE ROLLED OUR SLEEVES UP FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE WORKED VERY HARD.
AND I THINK THE CITY IS, UH, MAYBE A NUMBER ONE CHOICE FOR BUSINESS RESIDENTS AND, AND, AND LIKE MM-HMM.
UM, THE, THE ONE THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU, JIM, UH, ABOUT THAT WE, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT EVEN BEFORE YOU WERE APPOINTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WAS THESE, UH, PUTS AND, AND HOW WE PASS THINGS.
BUT IT, IT'S LIKE NO ONE EVER GOES BACK AND CHECKS UP ON 'EM.
AND, AND WE'VE HAD SOME THAT HAVE BEEN IN VIOLATION MM-HMM.
IT'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM.
SO AARON, THE, THE ONE THING I WOULD BRING TONIGHT WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO SPEAKING TO WAS HOW DO WE REGULATE THOSE THINGS? YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPROVE A LANDSCAPING PACKAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S FOR, THAT ALL DIES, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING OR SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVE SIGNS AND 20 YEARS LATER, NOT ONLY ARE THEY DILAPIDATED, THEY REMOVE 'EM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKING LOTS.
YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T APPROVE PARKING LOTS WITH POTHOLES ALL OVER IT.
SO IS IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE MAYBE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT THAT ISSUE, SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT ISSUE, BRING BACK SOME RECOMMENDATION ON POLICY THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT APPROVED, I THINK IT'S TIME.
AND AS OUR CITY GETS ONE YEAR OLDER EVERY YEAR, I THINK THAT NEEDS GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HELP US WITH? YES.
AND IN FACT, UM, IF, IF, UM, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS THAT NOT ONLY DO WE LOOK AT THE, THE ZONING CODE AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS SO THAT WE'RE TAKING A TOTAL PACKAGE TOGETHER AS WE MOVE THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE ACTUALIZATION OF THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FORWARD.
SO THAT IS, THAT'S IN THE JOB JAR.
APPRECIATE THE COMMENT, ALL OF YOU.
AND I THINK TO MARK'S POINT, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE OUT THERE, THE CENSUS DATA IS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A NICE SHIFT IN THE CITY AND IT'S OKAY FOR RESIDENTS TO EXPECT BETTER.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PS INSTEAD OF JUST, OH, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FIGHT US AND TAKE US TO COURT AND LET'S FIND THEM, QUIT APPROVING OCCUPANCY PERMITS, YOU KNOW, QUIT APPROVING STUFF THAT LETS 'EM KEEP DOING BUSINESS.
SO, SO I THINK, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO FIND A WAY TO HAVE SOME TEETH BECAUSE THEY, THEY KNOW IT, AND IT'S NOT JUST A HUBER ISSUE.
EVERY, EVERY CITY'S GOT THEIR PROBLEM CHILD, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WAY OF FINDING SOME TEETH.
SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING.
AND THEN LOT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES ON THE BACKSIDE.
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THANKS.UH, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING UP AT THIS MOMENT.
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW, WELL, I BE WITH, WITH TIME ALLOTTED.
CHERYL, I HAD TO, CHERYL, I HAD TO LEAVE.
BUT DID SHE HAVE ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT SHE WANTED TO BRING UP OR MENTION OR TALK ABOUT WAS ON? NO, I, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND EVERYBODY ALWAYS SAYS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION'S, EVERYTHING, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON OUR COMMUNICATION.
UH, I THINK, UH, IN THE PAST WE HAD, UH, I THINK TYLER STARLINE WAS OUR LIAISON AT ONE TIME FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR OR SO.
UH, THAT SOMEWHAT WORKED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, WITH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE GOING, GOING TO SEE AARON, BUT I JUST, I NEED TO KNOW FROM COUNSEL IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHO WE GO TO.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE, WE CAN GO TO.
AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN JIM BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO YOU, I TALKED TO YOU, I TALKED TO YOU, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, WHAT'D YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT? YOU KNOW, NONE, NONE OF THE REST OF US KNOW WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT OR WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT.
BUT IF WE DO NEED TO KNOW THEN, THEN WE DO NEED TO KNOW.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION INVOLVED TO WHERE WE COULD ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
SO WHEN, WHEN A, A CASE COMES BACK TO US AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT SAY TO ME, WELL, YEAH, I TALKED TOVE AND JUST WHAT HAPPENED? AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO GET SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION.
I DON'T KNOW, TOGETHER TO WHERE, TO WHERE WE, WE ALL KNOW WHO'S SAYING WHAT TO WHO.
UH, MAYOR, WOULD THIS BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO PROVIDE, UH, DIRECTION TO, UH, TO BRIAN, UH, AND AARON, UH, THAT, UH, MOVING FORWARD, A SUMMARY REPORT GETS PROVIDED TO COUNSEL AFTER EACH PLANNING COMMISSION ON, UM, ON A, THEIR DECISION.
UH, AND OF COURSE ANY TYPE OF CONCERNS THAT THEY BRING UP.
UH, I THINK THAT'S, UM, UH, STARTING THAT PROCESS IMMEDIATELY WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE POLICY CHANGES, UH, AND POLICY, UH, IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD ON OUR CURRENT PROJECTS AND EVEN INTO THE FUTURE.
YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY, AND AGAIN, WHEN I SAY SOME REPORT, I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE TO, YOU KNOW, 50 PAGES, HONESTLY, A COUPLE PARAGRAPHS OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, HERE'S THE CONCERNS THEY HAD.
UM, AND COUNSEL MAY SEE THIS CASE IN A MONTH OR SO.
SO NOW I'VE GOT THAT IN MY MIND.
SO I WOULD SAY, UH, YES, AND THEN MAYBE HAVE BRIAN PUT TOGETHER WHAT THE FORMAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO I THINK MAYBE THE DIRECTION IS PUT TOGETHER A FORMAT OF WHAT THAT SUMMARY REPORT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BRING BACK THE COUNCIL SO COUNCIL CAN, KNOWS WHAT IT IS, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT, AND THEN COME UP WITH THE FINAL.
SO, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD DIRECTION IF, IF THAT IS SATISFACTORY.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE STAFF MEETING, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME ACTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKES THAT ARE AUTOMATICALLY GONNA COME TO YOU.
SO FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, PREFACE A REPORT ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING BRIEFINGS TO YOU ON THOSE CASES.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT YOU WOULDN'T OTHERWISE SEE.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A CONVERSATION MAYBE FOR AARON AND I TO HAVE, UH, PERHAPS LOOP IN SOME OTHER FOLKS.
UM, JERRY HOSKINS, DON MILLARD, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ALSO TOUCHED SOME PLANNING AND ZONING FUNCTIONS AS WELL.
NOT JUST WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT BOARDS THAT INFLUENCE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES OR, OR MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, UH, TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN PRESENT THAT REPORT TO YOU AND, AND TWEAK THAT AS, AS WE GO BASED ON YOUR, YOUR WANTS AND NEEDS.
AND SO RICHARD, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES, AT THIS POINT.
KATE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, IF IT'S SOMETHING'S PAUSED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE FROG'S JUMPING OUTTA THE POND, IF WHAT'S PAUSED AND THE QUESTIONS WENT BACK TO THE, THE APPLICANT, WHAT'S CAUSING, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? LIKE, ARE THERE GONNA BE PO P FROGS IN THE POND LIKE THAT? THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'RE GONNA PUT ON THE WELL OUT.
WE'RE WAITING ON STAFF, YOU KNOW, SO WE KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S WAITING ON, WHAT WE KNOW WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER OR APPLICANTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE WELL, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS? CUZ IF I DON'T KNOW YOUR CONCERNS, THAT COMMUNICATION, I'M GONNA THINK IT'S GOOD.
ANITA, I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING SOMETHING, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BRIAN, CHARTING LIKE YOU DID WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS AND STUFF ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, BECAUSE I HATED HAVING TO CALL YOU.
WE HAD THIS LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EMERGENCY BUILDING GOING IN FRONT OF ROYAL KING AND THEM HAVING ALL THEIR STUFF IN FRONT OF THERE AND, OH, WE DIDN'T WANT THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND I'M LIKE, DRIVE BY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND I'M LIKE, THIS HAS GOTTEN LARGER, NOT SMALLER.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? I ONLY TO CALL BRIAN TO FIND OUT THE PROJECT'S DEAD.
SO I WOULD LIKE BETTER COMMUNICATION CUZ I THOUGHT YOU GUYS, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO FINAL PLANNING STAGES.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, WOW, THEY'RE TAKING A LONG TIME FOR THIS
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OUT IT'S NOT EVEN HAPPENING.SO ANYTHING ELSE, KATE? THANKS MAYOR.
UM, DO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO DO, OR DO YOU GUYS WANNA GO TO MORE TRAINING THAT NEVER GOT ANSWERED? WE COULD PROBABLY USE, UH, YEAH, SOME MORE TRAINING.
AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET LET AARON AND BRIAN, CORRECT? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE, UH, GIVE ONE OF THE TWO, IF NOT BOTH IDEAS OF WHAT WE THINK WE NEED AND MAYBE THE BUDGET TO GO.
LIKE WHAT I, IF IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS SEMINAR OR IF IT'S YEAH, OKAY.
A HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH OF YOU, OR A THOUSAND FOR THE, LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF IN MY MIND TOO, LIKE WHAT DOES IT COST? I HAVE NO IDEA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING WORKSHOP AT SINCLAIR IN DECEMBER IS ALWAYS A GOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, THAT'S BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU IN THE PAST.
AND IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL THAT AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD TRAINING.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS, I MEAN, IT JUST, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT AARON COULD, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT FOR US AND, AND, AND SCHOOL US ON IT, SO, AND I, HE'S THE GOLDEN, HE'S THE GOLDEN BOY NOW,
NO, I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE QUICK SUGGESTION.
AND THAT IS, UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT THE REPORT THAT YOU GET IS, IT JUST TELLS YOU THE BASIC HOW IT IS VOTED.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION.
AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THAT'S GONNA BE AN HOUR, MAYBE MORE, BUT IT WILL TELL YOU THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW IT'S TAPED AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HEAR THOSE TAPES.
BUT THAT WILL HELP YOU A GREAT DEAL TO, TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAME TO OUR, UH, TO OUR VOTE.
UH, BECAUSE THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ALWAYS LENGTHY.
UM, OUR CHAIR DOES A GREAT JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE VOICES ANYTHING.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAY, AARON IS, IS JUST, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SENDING HIM.
HE'S BEEN A GREAT SOURCE FOR US.
BUT IF YOU'LL TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE, THAT WILL HELP YOU A GREAT DEAL.
IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF THE CONVERSATION THAT JUST OCCURRED, YOU MIGHT WANNA STICK AROUND IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE OR 10 MINUTES IN THE INTEREST OF THE CONVERSATION THAT JUST OCCURRED, YOU MIGHT WANNA STICK AROUND FOR ABOUT ANOTHER FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.
[ Case RZ BDP 23-08 - RHM Real Estate Group - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 7125 Executive Boulevard]
IEM THREE C, WHICH IS CASE RZ BDP 23 DASH OH EIGHT FROM RHM REAL ESTATE GROUP, THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.UH, AARON, IF YOU WOULD, UM, IN FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COUNSEL'S CONVERSATIONS AND COMMENTS AT THE, UH, THE LAST, UH, WORK SESSION IN BUSINESS MEETING, UH, WE DID HAVE SOME SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH RHM ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO PRESENT A CONCEPT PLAN, UH, TO MOVE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL BACK TO THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR DETAIL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT REFLECTED THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF, UH, THE, UH, OF THE CITY COUNCIL GOING FORWARD WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THIS PROJECT ON EXECUTIVE, UH, TO THAT.
AND, UM, THE, UH, THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE PACKET, UH, THAT'S BEEN HANDED OUT.
UH, WE DID GET THIS INFORMATION, UH, LATE IN THE DAY TODAY.
UM, AND, UH, THE RHM TEAM DID APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATENESS OF THIS MATERIAL.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THEIR, UH, THEIR ARCHITECT, I DON'T THINK UNDERSTOOD, UH, THE, UH, THE HARD AND FAST DEADLINE, UM, AT, AS HAD BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM.
UH, NONETHELESS, UH, WE ARE HERE.
UH, A COUPLE OF THE ELEMENTS ABOUT THIS OVERALL SITE PLAN, UH, THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AS YOU'LL NOTE ON THE, UH, THE LOWER PORTION OF THE SCREEN, OR THE FOUR YELLOW STRUCTURES, THE FOUR YELLOW RECTANGLES THAT REPRESENT THE CONCEPTUAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UH, IMMEDIATELY, UH, ABOVE THEM ARE NOW TWO RED TRIANGLE, OR EXCUSE ME, TRIANGLES, TWO RED, UH, RECTANGLES.
UH, AND THESE, UH, REPRESENT PROBABLY THE LARGEST CHANGE, UH, WITHIN THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND THEY ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE, UM, THE MORE MODERN URBAN STRUCTURES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE, UH, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHERE THE DESIRE AND THE WANT FROM COUNCIL WAS, UH, MORE OF AN URBAN TO SUBURBAN TRANSITION, VERY SIMILAR, UH, AS TO WHAT WAS, UH, UH, PROPOSED AND APPROVED ON THE, UH, THE PARCEL TO THE WEST, THE LAYMAN PROPERTY, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE NEWBAUER PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST.
SO, UM, THE, THE PINK OR, UH, PEACH COLORED, UH, STRUCTURES, UH, AT THE TOP END OF THE PAGE, UH, THOSE ARE NOT DISSIMILAR IN STYLE OR FORMAT FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SEEN BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING.
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THE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATION OF THAT TRANSITION.UH, AARON, IF YOU COULD KIND OF ADVANCE THE SLIDE SO WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE ELEVATIONS.
UM, SO THESE ARE, UH, THE, UH, THESE ARE THE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS THAT SIT UP FRONT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ELEVATION IS THE NORTH ELEVATION AND WHICH ELEVATION IS THE SOUTH.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS IS, UH, REFLECTIVE OF THAT MORE URBAN, UH, PRODUCT, UH, THAT COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL SIMILAR MATERIAL TIE-INS, UM, IN THESE, UH, CONCEPTUAL ELEVATIONS, UH, TO MEET, UH, THE, UH, THE MORE, UH, WE'LL CALL IT THE ORIGINAL PRODUCT, UH, THAT COUNCIL SAW, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, AGAIN, TO TRY AND TIE IN BOTH, UH, THAT MODERN STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE UP CLOSE, UH, TO THE ROADWAY UP CLOSE TO EXECUTIVE, AND TO SET THAT URBAN TONE, UH, BUT THEN TO ALSO BE ABLE TO TIE THIS URBAN PRODUCT INTO THE MORE SUBURBAN PRODUCT, UH, THAT'S FURTHER NORTH, UH, ON THIS SIDE OR UP CLOSER TO SHOLL ROAD.
UH, AARON, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO JUST THE FORMER ELEVATION WITH THE, THE RED SUPPORTING MATERIAL.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, HERE, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE KIND OF THOSE WOOD GRAINS AND THOSE, UH, WHITE ELEMENTS AND THOSE VERY, UH, I'M GONNA PROBABLY USE THE WRONG ADJECTIVE HERE, BUT IF, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THOSE WINDOW ELEMENTS, UH, AS WELL.
AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO, TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD A FEW SLIDES, UH, TO WHAT WERE THE MORE SUBURBAN ELEMENTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, IN THESE TIE-INS, UH, THERE'S, UH, THE WHITE COMPONENT, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE FACADE ISSUE, THOSE WINDOW, UH, COMPONENTS, THOSE WINDOW FEATURES ARE ALSO SIMILAR TIE-INS.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT IT, IT ISN'T REFLECTED WELL IN THESE PARTICULAR ELEVATIONS, BUT THERE WERE SOME 3D CONCEPTS THAT WERE ALSO PRESENTED AS PART OF THE LAST MATERIAL THAT REALLY SHOWED THOSE GARAGE DOORS, UH, HAVING THOSE WOOD ELEMENTS, UM, THAT WE ALSO SAW IN THE, UM, UM, IN THE, UM, UM, IN THOSE URBAN DESIGNS.
UH, JUST A, A FEW SLIDES BACK, UH, THIS IS, UH, RH M'S ATTEMPT, LIKE I SAID, TO BLEND THOSE TOGETHER.
UH, AND, UH, THESE ARE, WERE, LIKE I SAID, RELATIVELY HOT OFF THE PRESSES.
I THINK THEY CAME IN AROUND, UH, 4, 4 30 TODAY.
UM, SO WANTED TO GET THESE IN FRONT OF YOU, MAKE SURE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THESE.
UH, I'M SURE SOME FOLKS WILL HAVE SOME, UH, INITIAL REACTIONS AND THOUGHTS.
UH, I'M SURE THERE'LL ALSO BE SOME THOUGHTS AND, AND, UM, IDEAS THAT ARE GONNA POP INTO FOLKS' HEAD, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
BUT WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT, KIND OF OFFER SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS AND, AND, UH, OPINIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, AT LEAST AS OF NOW, SO THAT WE CAN PASS THOSE ON TO RHM AND ANDREW.
UM, HE IS PLANNING TO BE HERE, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, AND TO ADDRESS ANY FEEDBACK, UH, TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL MAY OFFER, UH, THIS EVENING.
UH, THE OVERALL CONCEPT TO, BY THE WAY, I IN TOTAL UNITS REMAINS THE SAME.
UM, IT'S JUST THESE TWO BUILDINGS UP FRONT, THESE TWO RED, UH, RECTANGLES UP FRONT REPRESENT, UH, MORE UNITS IN FEWER BUILDINGS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, ARE, ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATIVE TO, UH, THE DENSITY.
UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, AARON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, BUT, UH, I THINK JUST TWO, TWO ITEMS. ONE, UH, THEY'VE REMOVED, UH, 10 TOTAL, UH, BIG HOUSES, UH, AND REPLACE THEM WITH, UH, THE TWO, UH, TWO 50 UNIT BUILDINGS AS WELL AS ENLARGED THE CENTRAL, UH, RETAINING POND CUZ THEY'VE, THEY REALIZED THEY NEED ADDITIONAL RETENTION, UH, AREA.
UM, LIKE I HAD SAID DURING THE, DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION, UM, I EXPECTED THE OPEN SPACE, UH, AMOUNT TO GO UP AND IT, AND IT IS, UH, IT MAY GO UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AS THEY DO THEIR FINAL CALCULATIONS.
UH, AS FAR AS THE RENDERINGS, UH, IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.
UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING THROUGH FEEDBACK ON TYPE A OR TYPE B, WHICH ONE'S, UH, COUNSEL IS, IS INTERESTED IN.
AND THEN THEY WOULD REFINE THEIR MATERIAL SELECTION, UH, ACCORDINGLY.
COMMENTS? YES, NANCY, UM, AARON, THE, UH, FIRST CONCEPT THEY HAVE HERE.
UM, THEY'RE SHOWING A LOT OF SIDEWALKS AROUND THERE FOR PEOPLE WALKING, BUT LET IN THAT, UH, IN THIS DRAWING, IT'S NOT REALLY REFLECTING AROUND THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS THEIR ARCHITECTS WERE WORKING ALL MORNING LONG TO, TO, AND OVER THE WEEKEND TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
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THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY START TO MARK THIS UP AS FAR AS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS OUT, UH, ONTO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.UM, THE WAY THE PARKING LOTS ARE RANGING ISN'T GIVING ME WARM AND FUZZIES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE'S A TOT LOT.
THIS IS NOT THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE MARKET FOR THAT.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME DETAILS LIKE THAT, THAT WE WOULD, WELL, I WILL START TO MARK THIS UP RIGHT.
AND ALSO, UM, THAT, THAT ONE CONCEPT, WELL, ARE THESE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES OR THIS ONE CONCEPT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE FOUR, BUT, UM, I THINK PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TOP LAYER IS FOR.
YEAH, SO, UM, SORRY, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY.
UH, SO THIS IS A FOUR STORY CONCEPT, UM, NOT HAVING FULL ELEVATIONS.
AND THEN THIS IS MORE OF A THREE STORY.
UM, BOTH OF THESE, THERE IS SOME DRIVE-IN PARKING, UM, IN THE REAR.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S A MODIFIED PEDESTAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO THERE IS A PARKING, A FIRST FLOOR PARKING, AND THEN THREE, UH, THREE, UH, LIVING FLOORS ABOVE THAT.
NOW ARE, IS THERE AN ELEVATOR? UH, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.
MY GUESS IS SINCE IT'S ONLY THREE STORIES, THE PROBABLY NO, BUT, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE DETAILS THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO FIGURE OUT IN THERE, UM, IN THERE.
WELL, WITH 50 UNITS AT THREE STORES, YEAH.
A 50 UNIT BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE ELEVATOR FOR, FOR THAT.
SO, YEAH, LET ME RETRACT THAT.
I FORGOT THAT WE WENT FROM 10 UNITS TO 50.
SO YEAH, IT'LL, IT'LL BE AN ELEVATOR BUILDING.
PROBABLY TWO STAIR COLUMNS ON, ON OTHER EITHER END FOR, UH, FOR FIRE ACCESS INCONVENIENCE.
AND THE, UM, THE PREFERENCE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON ARE IN THE LAST TWO PAGES.
THESE ARE THE, THE, THESE TWO CONCEPTS OF THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE.
YEAH, THESE ARE JUST, SO THIS ONE IS A MUCH MORE ANGULAR KIND OF DESIGN.
UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, DESIGN QUEUE SIMILAR TO THE, THE LIBRARY WHERE YOU HAVE THIS, THESE TRIANGLE, UM, ON THE CORNER.
THE, THE SECOND IS A, A MORE TRADITIONAL CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM, BUT, UH, MORE OF A, A CURRENT, UH, VERNACULAR OF, OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
YEAH, IT IS THE CURRENT TREND OF URBANISM.
IT'S ALSO SQUARE AND CHEAPER TO BUILD THAN THE WAY THE OTHER, UH, BUILDING WOULD BE.
UH, IT'S, AND IT'S ALSO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE, UM, NATURAL LIGHT COMING IN.
I THINK THE SECOND BUILDING, UH, HAS MORE, UH, EMBELLISHMENTS TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT ADDS NECESSARILY TO THE, TO THE USEFULNESS OR THE LIVABILITY OF, OF THAT.
UM, BOTH IN THE BIG HOUSE PLANS, UH, AS WELL AS THIS.
UM, THEY ALL HAVE EITHER TERRACES OR BALCONIES, UM, ON, ON, DEPENDING ON THE, THE BEDROOM COUNT, THE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO TAKE HOME AND MARK UP.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME HERE JUST A BIT, UM, WAS, AND, AND AARON YOU JUST MENTIONED THIS WAS THE BED COUNT.
THE UNITS STAYED THE SAME HOWEVER THE, UH, THE BED COUNT, UH, WENT DOWN.
UH, IF MY ROUGH MATH IS HERE ALMOST 35, YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO PULL THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE, CUZ I DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, THEY HAD LARGE, THEY HAD MORE THREE BEDROOM UNITS IN THE LA IF I RECALL.
THEY HAD MORE THREE BEDROOM UNITS IN THE LAST, UH, UM, VERSION.
MY COMMENT TO THEM WAS, I DIDN'T THINK THE MARKET WOULD SU UH, NECESSARILY SUPPORTS THREE BEDROOMS FOR THE RENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE.
AND THE, AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE REALLY BUILDING THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD WORK HERE, BUT THAT'S THEIR DETERMINATION TO MAKE ON THEIR MARKET STUDY.
SO IT DOES, I BELIEVE THEY DID PEEL THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, AND, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTIONING TOO, BECAUSE THE BED COUNT WENT DOWN.
HOWEVER, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPACES, UM, PARKING SPACES, UH, INCREASED BY, IF MY COUNT'S ALMOST CORRECT, ABOUT 80.
UM, SO THAT'S CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE WITH THEM.
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LIKE THE SPOTS, BUT I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A REASONING KIND OF BEHIND THAT AND, AND WHERE THOSE CHANGES REMAIN.TRYING TO COMPARE THIS TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON APRIL 24TH.
UM, AGAIN, HAVING JUST RECEIVED THIS THIS EVENING, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, PIN WHIP THIS.
UM, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, INTERESTED IN, UH, WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS, UH, COMPARING THESE TWO, UH, ITEMS. UM, AS I, I LOOK OVER THIS ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS MYSELF, MY GUESS IS JUST GLANCING BRIEFLY AS I'M G I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THERE IS, UH, MORE PARKING UNDER THE BUILDINGS THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, UH, PREVIOUS.
UM, BUT WE, LIKE, LIKE BRIAN SAID, WE GOT THIS AT FOUR 30, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS WE NEED TO FLESH OUT ON, ON THOSE KIND OF LIKE, SO THE PARKING RATIOS WENT UP, THEY DIDN'T GO DOWN.
UM, SO IT'S MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE THAN THE PREVIOUS.
AND I, I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CONCERN THAT COUNSEL PROVIDED THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, IT WAS ABOUT THE LOOK IN THE FEEL OF THE PRODUCT.
AND A LOT OF, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE FLUSHED OUT AS A RESULT OF THE CODE AND THE CODE REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE WAY.
UH, THE, THE DRIVING FACTOR AGAIN, WAS MAKING SURE THAT CONCEPTUALLY THERE WAS A PRODUCT LOOK THAT COUNCIL COULD GET BEHIND TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THIS PROJECT TO THE NEXT PHASES AND THINGS SUCH AS MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT THE APPROPRIATE PARKING RATIO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, THE APPROPRIATE NUMBERS OF, OF UNITS TO MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT BECAUSE OF EITHER A, IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
SO IF, IF I MAY, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WHAT WE ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER,
SO WHEN WE HAD THE LAST MEETING, BRIAN'S RIGHT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO IF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FITS MORE AS TO WHAT COUNSEL WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING, WHICH I BELIEVE IT IS BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THROUGH THE DETAILED PLAN PROCESS AS IT COME.
SO IF YOU'RE HEARING COUNSEL SAY, YES, THIS IS MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED, THEN WHEN ALL THOSE DETAILS GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DETAILED PLAN, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET OUT YOUR CALCULATORS AND PENCIL SHARPENERS AND ALL THAT STUFF TO FIGURE OUT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL DETAILED PLAN IS EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO THAT FROM A GATEKEEPING PROCESS, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT I MEANT ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, LIKE, THE, THE REASON I WANTED ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL PLAN BROUGHT FORWARD TO US IS BECAUSE, WELL, TWO THINGS I WANTED THE DEVELOPER TO KNOW.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN IN THAT PUBLIC MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION KNOWS, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING, WE DIDN'T LIKE OR WEREN'T HAPPY WITH WHAT WE SAW BEFORE.
NOW IF WE ARE, YOU'RE GONNA SHARPEN IT UP AND FIX IT.
AND I MEAN, I THINK, AND THAT, AND THAT TO ME IS HOW THIS PROCESS IS, IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
RICHARD MAYOR, I, I, I WILL SAY TO THE, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME TONIGHT IS, UH, BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I, I THINK A, A VISION HAS BEEN SEEN.
UM, BUT DO I BELIEVE THE VISION HAS TOTALLY BEEN DRAFTED ON PAPER? NOT YET.
UM, I THINK THERE IS STILL SOME OF THOSE, UM, BLENDING, UM, IN, INTO THE BACK END OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, I'M STILL SEEING SOME OF THAT, UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT TEXAS STYLE YEEHAW BARN DOORS ON HERE.
UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF I'M GONNA GET TO, UH, MODERN MILLENNIAL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DOWN HOME, YOU KNOW, BULL RIDING ON THE SAME PROPERTY MM-HMM.
UM, SO I, I HOPE THAT IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THIS HAS IRONED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IN DEPTH, UM, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER CONSE UM, CONVERSATIONS ARE, ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, I REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON WHAT'S DONE BECAUSE, UM, ONCE I GIVE MY BLESSING ON THIS ON MONDAY, I DON'T KNOW UNTIL, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND, WAS IT, IS THIS WHAT I HAD ENVISIONED, RIGHT? UH, IS, DOES THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, GET WHAT I APPROVED WHAT YOU APPROVED MM-HMM.
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UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE AS A COUNCIL ABLE TO PROVIDE THE TEETH TO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK IF THAT DEVELOPER HAS DONE SOMETHING WRONG AND SAY, NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING ELSE APPROVED BY THE CITY UNTIL YOU EITHER TEAR IT DOWN OR REDO IT.UM, AND, AND I, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEETH ARE IN THIS, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, THE REZONING AND, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD ON MONDAY, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING.
AND THANKFULLY OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IS HERE THAT WHEN THAT, UH, DETAILED PLAN DOES COME BACK, THAT WE ARE HAVING SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
AND IF IT TAKES MORE THAN ONE MEETING, SO BE IT.
AND IF THAT TAKES A JOINT MEETING OF COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION, SO BE IT.
RICHARD, THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
I THINK AS I, AS I, AS I SIT HERE AND LOOK AT ALL THIS, I THINK WHAT WE'RE MISSING IS SOME GRAY.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IF THE FRONT IS BLACK AND THE BACK IS WHITE, WE'RE MISSING SOME GRAY IN THE MIDDLE TO GET FROM THE BLACK IN THE FRONT TO THE WHITE IN THE BACK.
IT, THE TRANSITION TO ME SEEMS REALLY HARSH.
AND, AND I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT RICHARD WAS SAYING.
WE GOT A NICE URBAN LOOK IN THE FRONT AND THEN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE GONNA SQUARE DANCE IN THE BACK.
RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MATCH UP A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IF, IF, IF COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THE REZONING BASED ON, SO THIS TELLS ME THEY GET WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR, AND THEN MAYBE IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, CUZ WE HAD A MEETING ON, WAS IT THURSDAY AND THEN OR TWO REALLY CAME OUT ON MONDAY.
SO, SO CRUNCH FOR TIME IS WHAT THEY GOT US, WHAT THEY KNEW WE NEEDED TO SEE TO ADVANCE IT FORWARD.
BUT THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GONNA GO WITH.
BUT I THINK ALSO YOU'RE HEARING OUR CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DETAIL PLAN.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BETTER TRANSITION FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE FRONT FROM THE COMMERCIAL, UH, TO THESE UNITS, TO HOW WE GET TO, UH, THE BACK SECTION OR THE NORTHERN SECTION WHERE IT BLENDS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK BEHIND.
I THINK LOBLAW IS ONE OF THE STREETS BACK THERE OFF OF SHOLL AND IN THAT AREA.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SO I LOVE THIS CONCEPT.
UM, WE JUST NEED SOME GRAY IN BETWEEN THE BLACK AND THE WHITE TO, TO MAKE THAT, TO MAKE THAT MOVE NOW.
AND I GET, AS YOU'RE COMING UP, EXECUTIVE EITHER WAY, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SEEING.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE SOME OF THE STUFF, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE BACK AND, AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THE WHOLE REASON WE WE'RE EVEN INTERESTED IN THE LOOK IS BECAUSE THE AESTHETICS HERE ARE IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, THEY MATTER ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT AND THE, AND THE ATMOSPHERE IT'S GONNA CREATE.
AND HOPEFULLY THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WILL LIVE THERE WILL DRIVE THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WE WANT, RIGHT? THIS IS HOW THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO COME TOGETHER.
SO AS LONG AS PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS ON THE DETAILED SIDE WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO SHARPEN UP, THEN YEAH, THEN I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
CUZ AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THE WAY THE LEGISLATION READS IT WAS, IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL PIECE OF THIS.
AND THIS TELLS ME THEY AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME COUNSEL WILL VOTE ON THIS? THE MONDAY, CORRECT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT RICHARD AND THE MAYOR HAS SAID? YES.
AND ARE YOU GOING TO, BY MONDAY, BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE PRODUCT, THE MATERIALS IN THE TWO FRONT BUILDINGS AND INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE BACK BUILDINGS? SO WE PROPERLY TRANSITION FROM URBAN TO SUBURBAN AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT? SO MY CONVERSATION TOMORROW MORNING IS GONNA BE WITH ANDREW TO SEE HOW QUICKLY HE CAN TURN, HOW QUICKLY HIS TEAM CAN TURN AROUND SOME OF THE, UH, MORE DETAILS ON THE, ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THE CONCEPTS.
AND I'LL KNOW MORE PROBABLY TOMORROW MORNING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE, BUT I, I KNOW THE DIRECTION I'M HEARING FROM YOU.
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THE DETAIL THAT WON'T EVEN BE FINISHED BY MONDAY, CORRECT? NO.
SO IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT AND WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOU, AND YOU'LL WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WH WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SUCCESS OF THIS WILL BE FROM YOUR HISTORY OF DOING THESE? SO I THINK WITH A FEW TWEAKS IN, IN THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE HERE, I THINK THIS WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL, A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO WORK.
I CALL IT THE EDGES WE NEED TO WORK ON, ON SOME OF THE DETAIL PARTS, BUT THE BONES ARE ALL HERE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK, I THINK WE CAN CONFIDENTLY MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT RM REAL ESTATE MM-HMM.
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SEEM TO BE THE TYPE THAT WILL MAKE GOOD PARTNERS AND WILL DELIVER WHAT WE NEED.SO I'VE NOT WORKED WITH RHM BEFORE, HOWEVER, UM, KNOWING THEIR PORTFOLIO AND THEIR EXPERIENCE AROUND THE, THE COUNTRY AND THE REGION, I'M, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT IN THAT.
WHAT FURTHER DIRECTION DO YOU NEED FROM US TONIGHT? UH, AT THIS POINT? NONE.
I, WE'VE HEARD WHAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR WITH RESPECT TO COUNSEL'S INTERESTS AND INTENT, UH, CONFIRMING WHETHER OR NOT RH AND OR RHM WAS ABLE TO, TO VISUALIZE THAT.
UH, WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IS WE'LL NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UM, WITH ANDREW, UH, AND AS AARON HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UH, COUNSEL'S VISION AND DESIRE FROM THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TODAY.
UH, AND THEN QUITE FRANKLY, IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, ANDREW BEING AT THAT PODIUM ON, ON MONDAY NEXT WEEK, AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK COUNSEL IN THE EYE AND, AND TELL YOU WITH CONFIDENCE HE UNDERSTANDS YOUR VISION AND, AND YOU LOOKING RIGHT BACK AT HIM AND SAYING THAT, THAT YOU TRUST, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU TRUST, UH, HIS COMMITMENT TO THAT PLEDGE.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO GO AND WITH PLANNING COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT TO, TO HEAR THE COMMENTARY.
UH, I, I THINK, UM, THERE'S A REAL GOOD CHANCE THIS WON'T MAKE IT PAST A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL IT HAS BOTH, UH, WHITE, GRAY AND BLACK.
UM, ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, CONCEPT PLAN.
ANYTHING ELSE DONE? THANKS, MAYOR.
JUST BRIEFLY, UM, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SHAW'S ASSESSMENT.
I THINK THE TRANSITION FROM FRONT, FRONT BUILDINGS TO BACK BUILDINGS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IS A BIT STARK.
AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY CAN HEAR THIS FROM US.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IS GOING TO BE IN YOUR COURT.
UM, AND I WOULD ONLY LOOK OUT AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND ASK, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF THE VISION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? SURE, PLEASE.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
UH, AND I THINK THE REST OF OF US DO ALSO.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THINGS WERE, WERE PRETTY MUCH, I WON'T SAY SET IN STONE, BUT LOOKING GOOD BEFORE THIS CAME ON.
AND NOW, BOOM, THERE IT IS AGAIN.
AND, AND I FEEL THAT, THAT WE'RE IN A HURRY AGAIN TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE JUST WAITING AND THEN CONSTRUCTION'S READY TO GO AND THEN LET'S GO.
AND SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, UH, MR. SORRELL'S EXPERTISE, YOU KNOW, HE CAN BRING US SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT.
AND ALSO BY YEAH, COMING HERE TONIGHT, UH, WE DO KNOW WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE, WHICH HELPS OUT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE THINKING WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? WHO, WHO, WHO'S EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP? AND, AND, AND DO YOU GUYS EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE, UNLESS WE WATCH THE MEETINGS, WE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVEN SEEN THIS OR NOT.
SO THIS HAS HELPED US, AND WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT MR. CRELL BRINGS AND, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO HURRY THROUGH THE DETAILED PHASE.
THE ONLY TIMELINE WE'RE UP AGAINST IS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO, BASED ON THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR TIMELINE.
BUT FROM THE DETAILED PLAN, YOU KEEP IT THERE UNTIL IT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S THAT, THAT ISSUE IS NOT THE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, IF WHEN YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT IT MEETS EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT AND WE WANT, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU ADVANCE IT FORWARD.
RICHARD, MR. WALTON TO, UH, COMPLETELY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS RIGHT ONCE ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
RIGHT? IF, AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING BETWEEN HORIZON LINE AND RHM FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS PLUS, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONCRETE.
I I THINK WE JUST DONE THROUGH HURRY UP RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
UM, AND THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT DIVISION OF THIS COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY IS HEARD TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS IT'S BEEN STATED ON THIS, DI THE MUSIC CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT IS DRAWING THIS BUSINESS AND DRAWING THE RESIDENTS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD SEE THINGS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WARPED WING AND, AND OTHER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HAD IT NOT BEEN FROM SOME OF THE VISION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE AROUND THERE.
SO YEAH, WE HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY.
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IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE IT.WE CAN TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND REDO IT.
UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PENCILS ARE VERY MUCH SHARPENED AND, AND IF WE HAVE TO BREAK OUT THE MICROSCOPES ON THIS, LET'S DO IT.
TAKE THE TIME, LET'S GET IT DONE.
AND YOU KNOW, AS I STATED EARLIER, IF THERE HAS TO BE A JOINT SESSION BEFORE THAT DETAILED, UH, PLAN IS DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PARTIES ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, SO BE IT, UM, I WOULD EXPECT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF LIAISON WOULD GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE MAYOR CAN CALL THAT MEETING QUICK, FASTEN IN A HURRY, AND WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
SO, UH, AT THAT POINT THEN I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR THE SECOND? YES.
FOR THE SECOND READING TO MONDAY'S.
IT'LL BE A SECOND READING OF ARTICLES.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SEE IT.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR STAYING AND HANGING OUT WITH US.
UM, GREAT DISCUSSION AND WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN.
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3D, WHICH IS THE FIELD LEASE FEES WAIVER FOR THE, UH, HH S B BRIAN.UH, THE, UM, UH, THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE ISSUES BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, UH, THE SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION, UH, MADE SOME PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DS, UH, LAST SEASON, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE IN APPROPRIATE PLAYABLE SHAPE.
UM, WE HAD ATTEMPTED TO CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY TO MAKE SOME FIELD UPGRADES.
AND DUE TO WEATHER AND TIMING, UH, THOSE, UH, UPGRADES DIDN'T QUITE TURN OUT THE WAY, UH, WE HAD EXPECTED ON A COUPLE OF DIAMONDS.
AND, AND, UH, THE SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION STEPPED UP, UH, WITH THEIR RESOURCES TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN AND AN EXCHANGE.
THEY'VE ASKED FOR A CONSIDERATION THIS YEAR ON, UH, THE FEES THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY PAY.
UH, AND AS A RESULT OF, UH, WHAT THEY DID, UH, TO THE FIELDS WITH THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THIS, UH, LEGISLATION TO WAIVE THE FEES FOR, UH, WHAT IS, UH, THEIR, UH, PLAYING SEASON 2023, UH, IN RECOGNITION OF, UH, OF THEIR INVESTMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS? DON? JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WAIVED, OH, UH, GOSH, I WANNA SAY IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT, UH, 8,000, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, EXCUSE ME.
UH, THAT'S THEIR, WELL, THAT'S THE FEE.
THAT'S THE FEE AMOUNT, BUT THEIR INVESTMENT WAS WELL ABOVE THAT.
SO 2,400 IS THE AMOUNT OF THE FEE THAT WE WOULD BE WAIVING? THAT IS CORRECT.
SORRY, THE $2,400 FEE IS, IS WHAT WE WOULD BE WAIVING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON MONDAY? OKAY, SEEING NONE.
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ITEM THREE E CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE.ASSUME THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR ANNUAL RENEWAL FOR LIABILITY INSURANCE.
UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR INSURANCE AGENT, MARSHA MCLENNAN, TO, UH, COMPLETE APPLICATIONS.
UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING THIS OUT TO MULTIPLE CARRIERS.
UM, BUT TONIGHT I'M ASKING FOR, UM, AN EXTENSION, UM, TO GO BEYOND TO JULY 1ST WITH THE CURRENT CARRIER BEING TRAVELERS, UH, THEY, WE HAVE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS WITH, UH, IT'S AN ABUNDANCE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION NEEDED.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO GET THAT TO THEM AND THEN GET THE CARRIER TO PROVIDE THEM ALAR A LONGER TIME TO GET QUOTES BACK TO US.
SO I, I'VE ASKED TRAVELERS TO GIVE US AN EXTENSION FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE MONTHS, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UM, AGREEABLE TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT THAT DOES COME AT A COST, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE QUOTED EVERYTHING.
I APOLOGIZE THERE WAS NO LEGISLATION IN THE PACKET.
THE, THEY DID NOT MEET THE DEADLINE BEFORE THAT.
ACTUALLY, JUST TODAY THEY'VE GIVEN ME A, A QUOTE.
UM, THEY'VE ESTIMATED IT'LL PROBABLY BE APPROXIMATELY 53,000, UM, TO COVER US THROUGH JULY 1ST, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU HOPEFULLY BEFORE THAT, UM, TO GET A, A CARRIER, WHETHER IT'S TRAVELERS OR, YOU KNOW, WHOMEVER COMES IN WITH THE BEST AND LOWEST QUOTE.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL MONDAY NIGHT FOR A LEGISLATION TO, UM, EXTEND OUR COVERAGE THROUGH JULY 1ST WITH TRAVELERS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT WITH A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF PROBABLY 65,000 IN CASE THEY DO COME BACK MAYBE TOMORROW WITH A HIGHER AMOUNT, MORE THAN 53,000.
THAT WAY I'M COVERED EITHER WAY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.
ANY QUESTIONS? YES, DON? OH, IS THERE A NECESSITY TO HAVE, UH, TO DISCUSS A, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT TONIGHT, OR, OR WOULD EVERYBODY BE COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING KATIE COME, UH, TO THE MEETING WITH, UH, WITH THE SET NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT? WOULD THAT'D BE ALL RIGHT? I THINK THAT'D BE FINE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE EXPECTING A, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE, DID YOU SAY YOU'RE EXPECTING A DIFFERENT QUOTE OR, OR THERE'S A COUPLE QUESTIONS THEY HAD, SO THEY'RE COMING BACK TO 'EM AND IT MAY BE
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A LITTLE MORE THAN 53,000.THEY'RE ESTIMATING, BUT I WOULDN'T ASSUME IT WOULD BE MORE THAN 65,000.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN ME THAT INCLINATION THAT IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
YEAH, I, I'D BE FINE WITH WAITING UNTIL MONDAY TO HEAR THE, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT.
SO WE JUST ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION OR SOMEONE NEED TO ADD, I THINK WE WOULD JUST PUT THE LEGISLATION IN WITH A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 65,000 AS RECOMMENDED.
AND IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANTED CHANGING THAT ANYWAY, THEN IT COULD BE AMENDED ON MONDAY BEFORE ADOPTION.
THEN I WOULD JUST GET ANY KIND AMENDMENT TO TONY BEFORE THE MEETING MONDAY.
DON, IS THAT OKAY? THAT WORKS.
[ Transient Guest Tax - Hotel Definition]
THREE F THE TRANSIENT GUEST TAX FOR, UH, THE HOTEL DEFINITION.AARON? YEAH, THIS, UH, SIMPLY, UH, EXPANDS OUR DEFINITION TO COME IN LINE WITH THE EXPANDED DEFINITION THAT THE STATE ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO, UH, TO ADOPT.
UH, WHICH WOULD THEN BRING IN THE, THE AIRBNBS AND BBR BBR OS, THOSE LESS THAN FOUR UNIT, UM, HOTELS, ESSENTIALLY, UH, OR SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, UNDER OUR DEFINITION FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TRANSIENT GUEST TAX THAT WE COULD THEN CHARGE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THEY WOULD BRING THEM IN? YES.
I THOUGHT I READ THE LEGISLATION.
THEY SAID THAT IT WAS, UH, SIX UNITS OR MORE THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO.
DON NOT, UH, AARON, UH, MEMORY SERVES ME, RIGHT? YOU HAD A GUESSTIMATE AT ONE TIME AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, OF WHAT A FINANCIAL, UM, IMPACT THAT MIGHT HAVE.
IT SEEMED TO BE NEGLIGIBLE WHEN YOU CALCULATED IT OUT.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER? YEAH.
SO, UM, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT, THAT DID THIS FOR US, THAT THEY, THEY TRACK AIRBNBS AND SUCH ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON THE BEHALF OF MUNICIPALITIES.
THEY ESTIMATED THAT, UM, CHANGING THE GUEST TAX, I BELIEVE WOULD BE AT 3%, ROUGHLY $5,000 A YEAR, UH, MAYBE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT.
I, UM, THEIR FEE FOR SERVICE, IF THEY WERE TO ADMINISTER IT FOR, FOR US, WOULD MAKE THIS ESSENTIALLY NEGLIGIBLE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE, UH, ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE CHANGE OUR BOOKS, UH, OUR DEFINITION TO COME IN LINE WITH A STATE.
UM, WE WILL THEN, UH, NOTIFY THE CURRENT OPERATORS OF THE, UH, AIRBNBS THAT THEY'RE NOW SUBJECT TO THIS, UH, AND, AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, DO THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE COLLECTIONS LIKE WE WOULD IN ANY OTHER BUSINESS.
IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE WHERE THERE BECOME MORE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THEN IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO, UH, TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY ASSIST IN THAT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T THINK SO AT ALL.
SO WITHIN THE, OUR OWN CITY RESOURCES, IT WOULD, IT'S GONNA TAKE TO IMPLEMENT THIS AND COLLECT FOR $5,000.
I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING, IS THIS, IS THIS WORTH IT? I'VE HEARD THE WORD NEGLIGIBLE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THIS VERSUS RESOURCES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE APPLIED TO GET IT? I MEAN, ARE WE DOING SOMETHING JUST TO DO IT OR DOES IT MAKE, DOES DOES THIS ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO? SO I THINK TWOFOLD.
ONE, WE'RE SETTING, WE'RE COMING IN LINE WITH STATE LAW THAT, THAT ALLOWS US, PERMITS US TO, TO DO THIS, THAT THAT'S REALLY NO COST.
UM, WHAT JIM AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IS THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE A LIST OF THE OWNERS AND THE ADDRESSES TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WHO WOULD MAKE THE FIRST TOUCH.
HOPEFULLY THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.
UH, IF THERE ISN'T, THEN I THINK IT BEGS THE QUESTION OF THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF HOW HARD WE PUSH.
BUT THIS, THIS CHANGE COSTS US NOTHING OTHER THAN THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING HERE.
UH, AND NEITHER WILL THE INITIAL, UM, AT LEAST VERY LITTLE, THE INITIAL, UM, EFFORT TO, TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE CURRENT OPERATORS OF THE AIRBNBS AND OTHER STRS.
I THINK THE NEXT STEP THEN WOULD BE IF WE DON'T HAVE, UH, COMPLIANCE OR WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, THEN, THEN THERE'S A FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IS IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE? ANYONE ELSE? SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A WAY TO TRACK WHO THESE BUSINESSES ARE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I IDENTIFIED 13, UM, THE COMPANY THAT, THAT WE REA REACH OUT TO IDENTIFIED 17.
UM, AND WE CAN TELL BETWEEN THE TAX RECORDS AND JUST GOING ON THE AIRBNB WEBSITE, WHICH, UH, WHICH, UM, STRUCTURE IT IS, UH, AND THEN FIGURE FAIRLY QUICKLY FIGURE THAT OUT.
WHERE, WHERE WE DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE GREAT CO COMPLIANCE IS IF ANYBODY'S SUBLETTING THEIR APARTMENT UNIT.
THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, SINGLE FAMILY
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STRUCTURES OR DOUBLES, THAT WON'T BE HARD.ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, SO CAN IT GO TO THE TWO READINGS ITEM? OKAY.
SO WE'LL MOVE THIS TO FIRST READING ON MONDAY.
[ Fire Division Staffing Update]
G, THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING UPDATE.A QUICK UPDATE FOR CITY COUNCIL, UH, AS THE SAYING GOES.
UH, CANDIDATE, UH, 39 OF 42 FROM THE DECEMBER 9TH LIST.
UH, REPRESENTATIVES CANDIDATE 11, UH, RESIGNED FROM THE DEPART FROM THE DIVISION, UH, LAST WEEK.
UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A 42ND CANDIDATE AND MADE A CONDITIONAL OFFER.
I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT OFFER HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.
UH, ACTUALLY I KNOW THAT OFFER HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY SCHEDULED THEM FOR THEIR, UH, PSYCHOLOGICAL, PHYSICAL, UH, VOICE STRESS ANALYSIS AS WELL.
SO WE ARE WORKING TO, UH, REPLACE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
THIS CHART WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU SEE IT IN THE NEXT GO ROUND.
WE WILL FLUSH OUT THE MARCH 3RD ELIGIBILITY LIST, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES, UH, AND UPDATE THE APPROPRIATE BULLET POINTS.
BUT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARDS THE GOAL OF 42, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL MAY BEHALF.
WE HAD 42, WE HAD 42, AND THEN SOMEONE RESIGNED AND NOW WE HAVE 41.
AND NOW WE'VE GOT A CONDITIONAL OFFER ON 42.
AND AS SOON AS THEY PASS THEIR, UH, THEIR VARIOUS TESTS, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND, UH, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM A START DATE.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, ED, SO I'M JUST, I'M GONNA ASK, I MEAN, THE 42 NUMBER HAS BEEN SOME, YOU'VE BEEN DRIVING FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, UH, WE HIT 42, WE HIRED THEM.
AND THEN OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL WE HAVE 41.
SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HIRED AND HAD 42 FIREFIGHTERS ON BOARD? UM, HAVE WE, ACCORDING TO BRIAN'S, I I DID THINK 42 WAS DUE TO START UNTIL MAY 22ND.
AND WHAT'S TODAY'S DATE? TODAY WOULD BE MAY 2ND.
SO WE STILL HAVE, SO WE'RE DOWN, WE HAD 42, SO WE HAD 42 POSITIONS SPOKEN FOR.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAD 42 PEOPLE EMPLOYED OR COMMITTED TO THAT WORK.
AND THEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS EMPLOYED TO DO THAT WORK RESIGNED.
SO WE HAVE DOWN TO 0.1 OF THE ONES IN THE PROCESS, OR WAS IT AN EXIST? SO 42 HAD MET ALL OF THE REQUIRED CONDITIONS.
42 MET ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE CERTIFICATIONS.
WE WERE JUST SIMPLY WAITING ON CANDIDATE 42 HAD A START DATE.
WE WERE SIMPLY WAITING ON CANDIDATE 42 TO MOVE FROM BEING A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE STATE OF ALABAMA TO BEING A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE STATE OF OHIO.
THAT'S ALL WE WERE WAITING ON.
AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ALL 42 ON STAFF ALL AT ONE TIME.
MY APOLOGIES, ED, I, I MISUNDERSTOOD BRYAN.
I SAY WE HAD 42 1 RESIGNED, NOW WE HAVE 41, SO, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD 42.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN HONEST MISTAKE.
ANITA, SEE YOU SAID NUMBER 39, RESIGNED.
THAT CORRECT? JUST STARTED MARCH 6TH? CORRECT.
WAS THERE SOMETHING OUT OF IN OUR CONTROL THAT, WAS THERE AN EXIT INTERVIEW, WHY THEY WOULD LEAVE SO SOON, OR? WELL, UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT, UM, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE TO LEAVE, BUT I, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, UH, OFF THE DAIS, UH, AWAY FROM THIS MEETING.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE
[ ARPA First Responders Grant Fund]
H, WHICH IS THE ARPA FIRST RESPONDERS GRANT FUND.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, SOME, UH, LEGISLATION TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST ONE BEING, UM, SETTING UP A NEW FUND CALLED THE ARPA FIRST RESPONDERS GRANT FUND.
THIS WILL BE SEPARATE FROM OUR CURRENT ARPA FUND, UH, FOR THE MAIN REASON THAT THIS IS, UH, OF A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
AND SO, UM, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT LAST YEAR IN JUNE OF 22, YOU APPROVED, UM, THE CITY GOING OUT AND, UH, REQUESTING, UH, THIS GRANT.
UH, THEY WERE, UM, THE CITY WAS GRANTED THIS.
AND, UM, AND NOW THEY ARE JUST WAITING FOR US TO, UM, SHOW PROOF THAT WE HAVE SHOW, UM, UH, SPENT THE MONEY OR, YOU KNOW, HAD THE EXPENSES.
UH, YOU MAY ALSO RECALL THAT THIS IS, UM, A TOTAL OF ABOUT $835,000.
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OF THAT IS TO HIRE ONE FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTER AND ONE FULL-TIME CAPTAIN.AND, UH, WE HAVE DONE THAT AND WE HAVE EXPENSES TO, UH, ASK TO BE REIMBURSED FOR.
AND THEN, UH, SO I JUST NEED THIS FUND TO BE SET UP IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS AS $287,600, AND THAT'S FOR A WELLNESS COORDINATOR POSITION AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES.
AND SO WE'RE READY TO, UH, MAKE OUR FIRST SUBMISSION TO, UH, BE REIMBURSED.
UH, THIS GRANT OBVIOUSLY COVERS FOR TWO YEARS, SO IT'S ALL OF OUR PERSONNEL AND OTHER EXPENSES THAT I JUST MENTIONED FOR ALL OF 23 AND ALL OF 24.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE ON OUR OWN FOR COVERING THOSE, UH, POSITIONS.
SO, UM, YOU'LL ALSO SEE LATER ON LEGISLATION AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR HALF OF THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT TO BE SPENT, UH, TO ADD TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
BUT, UH, FOR THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, I'M JUST ASKING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO, UM, CREATE THE GRANT FUND, AND THEN THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK WOULD BE THE GRANT MONEY WOULD BE PUT INTO THAT FUND, AND THEN IT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE FIRE FUND WHERE THE EXPENSES HAVE ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
SO IT'D BASICALLY BE REIMBURSING THE FIRE FUND.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Cash Surety Fund - Amendment]
THREE I, WHICH IS THE CASH SURETY FUND AMENDMENT.UM, THE CASH SURETY FUND, ANOTHER, UH, UH, PIECE OF, UH, LEGISLATION DEALING WITH A FUND.
THE CASH SURETY FUND WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2007, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING, UH, A FUND WHERE WE WOULD COLLECT CASH SURETY BONDS.
UH, THESE WOULD BE COLLECTED IN PLACE OF, UM, UH, PERFORMANCE BOND OR LETTERS OF CREDIT.
AND, UM, UH, IN SPEAKING TO DON MALLARD ON STAFF, HE, UH, POINTED OUT THAT, UH, HE WAS CONCERNED THAT THERE WAS A LIMIT IN THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION OF $20,000.
AND HE, AND I AGREE WITH HIM, SAW NO REASON WHY THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT, BECAUSE, UM, UH, WHERE IT'S JUST LIMITING THE CASH BOND, UH, WHERE WE HAVE NO LIMIT ON PERFORMANCE BONDS OR LETTERS OF CREDIT.
AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD, UM, SOME, UM, UH, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN MORE THAN $20,000.
SO WE WANTED TO CORRECT THE LEGISLATION AND JUST AMEND THAT.
SO ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THAT, UH, LEGISLATION AND THEN I HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, DAVID MONTGOMERY ON THIS, UM, TO APPROPRIATELY CHANGE THE LEGISLATION TO JUST REMOVE SECTION FOUR, SECTION FOUR OF THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION FROM 2007.
UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, A LIMIT OF 20,000.
SO WE WOULD JUST BE, UM, ELIMINATING THAT LIMIT SO THAT WAY WHATEVER SURETY IS, IS, UH, REQUIRED OF THE CITY FOR A DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT WOULD, UH, IT COULD BE ABOVE 20,000.
JIM, ANY QUESTIONS? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UM, WAS THERE A MAXIMUM, UH, LIMIT ON THE, UH, OBLIGATION OF THE, UH, DEVELOPER CONTRACTOR, UM, FOR THAT $20,000? I MEAN, IF THEY WERE PUTTING IN A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT, SURELY WE WOULD ASK FOR A HIGHER BOND THAN $20,000 FOR PERFORMANCE.
AND, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.
AND THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, RIGHT.
BUT, UM, I, I WOULD THINK IN THOSE SITUATIONS WE WOULD WANT A BOND OR LETTER OF CREDIT RATHER THAN A CASH SHARING, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THIS REALLY HITS, I THINK, PLANNING AND ZONING MOST, UM, WHERE THERE ARE, SO GETTING A PERFORMANCE BOND, UH, IS EXPENSIVE.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE MAKING NOTHING ON THEIR SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, AND, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE CHARGED 5% INTEREST ON A, ON A BOND.
SO THEY WOULD MUCH RATHER JUST WRITE US A CHECK.
UH, WE'LL, WE WOULD DEPOSIT IT.
THEY ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN, AND THEN IN TWO OR THREE YEARS WHEN THEY'RE LANDSCAPING OR WHATEVER PERFORMANCE THEY'VE COMPLETED, WE BASICALLY REFUND THEIR CASH BACK TO THEM.
SO IT ACTUALLY SAVES THE DEVELOPERS, UH, MONEY, UH, IN THE LONG RUN.
AND, AND SO WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DEVELOPERS WHO WOULD RATHER JUST WRITE A CHECK THAN, UM, THAN EX INCUR THE COST OF, OF A, UH, A BOND OF A BOND.
IS IT, UH, IS IT A RATIO OF, OF WHAT THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE CON CONTRACT IS? Y YEAH.
THE BOND, THE BOND FEE IS, SO THE, AT LEAST IN PLANNING, UM, THE PERFORMANCE BOND IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, UH, ENGINEERING HAS DIFFERENT BOND REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR IN THE PLANNING SIDE,
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AND THEN ON THE ZONING SIDE, UH, IT'S A TOTAL COST OF, OF THE LANDSCAPING.AND SO THAT CAN BE 30, 40, $50,000 DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEY WERE LIMITED TO ONLY, UH, PROVIDING A CHECK OR CASH FOR THOSE FOR LESS THAN $20,000.
WE THINK THIS IS DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? YES, JIM? MAYOR, I WOULD ADD THAT IT'S VERY CITY FRIENDLY TOO, BECAUSE IF WE'RE HOLDING THAT CASH FOR, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS, WE'RE EARNING SOME NICE INTEREST ON THAT AS WELL.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
J, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.AND, UH, JUST GOING BACK AHEAD TO THE LAST, UM, SESSION, I'M, I'M SURE TONY'S GONNA ASK THIS, WHETHER YOU WANT TWO, UH, TWO READINGS OR ONE, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO COUNSEL WHAT THEY CHOOSE.
UH, WE JUST IDENTIFIED THIS AS A NEED.
UH, IT IS AN ORDINANCE TO CHANGE A FORMER ORDINANCE, SO IF COUNSEL WISHES TO PASS THAT MONDAY NIGHT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
IF THEY WANT TO TAKE IT TO TWO READINGS, THAT WOULD ALSO BE FINE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE FIRST READING MONDAY? OKAY.
YOU WANTED TO GO TO TWO READINGS OR I GUESS WE'RE, UH, YEAH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL GO TO TWO READINGS.
[ Veolia Water - Audit Agreement - Plattenburg & Associates]
VI, UH, WATER.THIS IS THE AUDIT AGREEMENT FOR BURG AND ASSOCIATES.
OH, I HAD ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE THAT.
UM, SO I'VE GOT BEFORE YOU, UM, SOME ITEMS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL, AND THEN I, UM, ALSO NEED SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD ADD THE 53,000 THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY, UM, KATIE AND ISLEY ABOUT THE, UH, ADDITION FOR THE CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UH, AN ITEM.
WE WANT TO, UH, INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THAT AS WELL.
I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THAT FOR TONIGHT, BUT I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO ADJUST IT IN THE LEGISLATION TO BE READY FOR MONDAY, WHETHER THAT'S 53 OR 65, WE COULD MAKE IT 65.
ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST A BUDGET CHANGE AND, UH, HAVE IT READY.
IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, WE DON'T SPEND IT.
AND IF THAT'S THE WISH, COUNSEL.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT ONE, UH, AS A NEW ONE I DO HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE ARPA FIRST RESPONDERS GRANT FUND, UH, HALF OF THE TOTAL, UH, WOULD BE $417,350.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, SETTING THAT UP.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE WOULD SET UP THE BUDGET IN, UM, THE, IN THAT NEW FUND.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE SET UP AS A TRANSFER TO GO OVER TO THE FIRE FUND.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, UH, WHEN WE SET UP THE BUDGET FOR 2023, UH, THERE WAS $700,000 FOR, UH, MAKING, UH, FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING THAT WAS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, WE HAD NOT RECEIVED, UM, INFORMATION WHETHER WE WOULD GET THAT AS AN ISSUE.
WE HAVE SINCE LEARNED THAT IT, WE ARE GONNA HAVE ISSUE TWO FUNDING FOR THAT FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO DO WITH THE BUDGET IS TO REDUCE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND BY $700,000 AND PUT THAT $700,000 AS AN INCREASE TO THE ISSUE TWO FUND.
I'D RATHER, IF WE'RE GETTING ISSUE TWO FUND DOLLARS, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT PROJECT BE IN THAT FUND AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
SO, UH, LET'S PUT IT WHERE IT, UH, SHOULD BELONG NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING FOR IT.
AND THE LAST ITEM ON HERE IS $28,700.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT, UM, COUNCIL HAS PASSED PREVIOUS LEGISLATION FOR, UM, NEW, UH, ANY, ANY OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UM, UH, DRAWS THAT THEY HAVE ARE NOW BASED ON SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS SO THAT THE CITY IS NOT IN A SENSE CONTRIBUTING, UH, ANYTHING TOWARDS THOSE, UM, UH, TOWARDS THOSE NEW AREAS THAT STARTED IN 2021 AND 2022.
UM, JUST IN THE LAST MONTH, WE'VE RECEIVED THE VERY FIRST SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ON BUILDINGS BUILT IN THAT AREA.
SO THE CITY RECEIVED THE MONEY, WE OWE THAT MONEY TO DECK.
UM, SO I'M ASKING THAT THAT BE, UH, APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.
NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH TO BUDGET BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH WAS, UH, GONNA BE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ALSO SOME, UH, SMALL COUNTY AUDITOR FEES, UH, THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE COUNSEL TO, UM, APPROVE THE INCREASE IN THE CARRIAGE TRAILS INFRASTRUCTURE FUND BUDGET TO ALLOW FOR THAT PAYMENT, SMALL PAYMENT TO THE TO DECK, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY, UM, COLLECTION FEES.
UM, JIM, I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, UH, THE NEW DECK AGREEMENTS, UH, PROVIDING THOSE, UH, THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
HOWEVER, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EACH TIME THAT THOSE COME IN MOVING FORWARD, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THAT TO US AS A, AS A SUPPLEMENTAL IN ORDER TO GET THAT MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? OR IS THIS A ONE TIME THING? WELL, ACTUALLY, I HAVE CALCULATED ENOUGH FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
UM, THE AMOUNT THAT CAME IN, UM, SO FAR IS AROUND $14,000.
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SO I'M ALLOWING ENOUGH, UH, FOR THAT SECOND, WE JUST HAVE FIRST HALF, UH, WE JUST RECEIVED, SO SECOND HALF WILL BE LATER THIS YEAR AROUND SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.SO I'M JUST DOING IT ONE TIME.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT FIRST YEAR, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A BETTER ESTIMATED JOB OF, OF WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING THEM NEXT YEAR.
I, I MAY GO A LITTLE HIGH JUST SO I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR, BUT THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST YEAR.
SO NOT KNOWING WHEN WE HAD THE BUDGET SET UP IN THE FALL, WHAT THAT WOULD KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE.
NOW WE HAVE OUR FIRST ALLOTMENT, AND THAT NUMBER WILL PROBABLY GROW AS MORE HOUSES GET BUILT IN THOSE AREAS.
AND, UM, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING WHO IS COVERING THE, UH, THE COLLECTION FEES, UH, FOR THAT, UH, WITH MIAMI COUNTY THAT'S IN THE DECK AGREEMENT? AM I CORRECT? UM, I'LL HAVE TO, UM, LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT WE HAVE ASSESSED THEM A 3% COLLECTION FEE ON OUR PART TO COVER OUR COSTS IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR DOING THIS.
AND, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THERE, UM, THAT HAS, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ASSESSMENT WAS GOING TO COVER, UM, THE AUDITOR PORTION AND, AND YOUR GUYS' PORTION WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE DID THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SINCE THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING IN, NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT THOSE FIGURES ARE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE CLOSELY ALIGNED.
UH, SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN DO SOME RESEARCH NO, HUGE RUSH AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE ARE ON THAT.
I MEAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY THAT THERE WAS A 5%, UH, COUNTY FEE AND A 3% CITY FEE.
AND SO THOSE WERE BUILT INTO THE ASSESSMENTS WHEN WE WERE GIVING THEM TO THE COUNTY IN THE FALL.
AND THEN, UM, NOT KNOWING HOW MANY WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THOSE.
UM, NOW THAT THEY ARE, UH, STARTING TO COME IN, UH, THOSE ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE BUILD FOR.
SO WE, WE BUILD OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY DESERVED AS PART OF ASSESSMENTS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WAS ON PAR WITH THAT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR MONDAY? OKAY.
AND NEXT WOULD BE THREE K, WHICH IS VEOLIA WATER AUDIT AGREEMENT WITH BERG JIM.
UM, TONY WOULD, UM, DID YOU, DID YOU WANT THE SUPPLEMENTAL WAIVE TO THE FIRST TREAT? I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, UH, TWO READINGS ON MONDAY, SO THAT WAY, UM, WE CAN GET THAT, UM, GRANT MONEY IN FASTER, UM, THAN, UH, THAN WAITING FOR ANOTHER MEETING, UM, WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
WAS COUNSEL IN AGREEMENT WITH ADDING THE 65,000 THAT, UH, MS. NICE TO TALK ABOUT? OH, WE NEED, YEAH, WE NEED TO ASK THAT.
SO, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE 65,000? AARON? IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, WE DON'T SPEND IT.
SO THE, UH, AUDITOR BERG AND ASSOCIATES, JIM, UH, YES.
UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, BERG IS OUR, UH, UH, AUDIT FIRM THAT WE'VE HAD FOR, UH, QUITE A LONG TIME.
UH, THEY, UM, USUALLY DO 10 YEARS OF AUDITS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE STATE COME IN AND DO AN AUDIT FOR ONE YEAR.
SO WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
BUT EVEN, UM, SO THEY ARE DOING OUR REGULAR AUDIT, BUT THEN OF COURSE, WE ALSO HAVE ASKED THEM TO DO SEPARATE AUDITS OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR CONTRACTS.
UH, WITH, UH, THIS ONE IS, UH, IN PARTICULAR WITH VIOLA.
WE ALSO HAVE ONE THAT THEY DO FOR THE, UM, Y M C A AND HOW THEY RUN OUR AQUATIC CENTER.
AND WE HAVE ONE THAT THEY AUDIT MIMI.
AND ACTUALLY MIMI PAYS FOR THAT ONE.
SO, UH, SO I ONLY BRING TO YOU, UM, EVERY FIVE YEARS, THE ONE FOR VIOLA AND THE ONE FOR THE Y M C A.
SO THIS YEAR IT'S, UH, WELL, WE JUST COMPLETED THE ONE FOR THIS YEAR, SO THIS IS TO GET READY FOR NEXT YEAR'S AUDIT.
THEY ASKED IT TO, LET'S GET IT IN PLACE, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO I'M JUST ASKED, UH, BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL.
UH, SO FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IT'D BE FOR THE PHYSICAL YEARS OF 23, 24, 25, 26, AND 27.
UM, THE LAST ONE THAT THEY SUBMITTED, UM, WAS A SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR ALL FIVE YEARS, WHICH WAS $12,700.
SO I CALCULATED IF, IF THERE HAD BEEN AN AVERAGE 2% COST OF LIVING INCREASE EACH YEAR, THAT WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT TO JUST OVER 14,000 FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 13,900, UH, INCREASING INCREMENTAL INCREMENTALLY UP UNTIL $15,100 FOR THE YEAR OF 2027.
SO I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, UM, NOT AN EXORBITANT ASK FOR AN INCREASE.
UH, I THINK THAT WAS VERY REASONABLE.
I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS WHEN IT CAME IN.
SO IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE WITH THEM FOR THE NEXT, UH, FIVE YEARS.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
NEXT IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE
[ Water Infrastructure Update]
WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.BRAD, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IS THE UPDATED, UH, PROJECT GRID.
UH, IF YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE, UH, THE MARDI GRA PROJECT HAS BEEN UPDATED TO NOTE THAT IT IS COMPLETE, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS A COUNCIL MAY HAVE, UH, ABOUT THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE GRID.
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I HAVE A QUESTION.I'VE HAD A COUPLE RESIDENTS, AND I, I DON'T, ANYHOW, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE NOT, OR ARE WE REPLACING THE SERVICE LINES TO INDIVIDUAL HOMES? THE, THE SERVICE LINES AREN'T REPLACED TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.
THEY'RE, THE SERVICE LINES HAVE TO BE RE TAPPED INTO THE MAIN, SO THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THAT IS WHERE IT'S SADDLED INTO THE MAIN, BUT THE SERVICE LINES THEMSELVES ARE NOT BEING REPLACED.
SO, I, UM, I JUST WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP REGARDING, UH, THE CONTRACTOR.
SO I'VE, ON HELWIG, I'VE RECEIVED QUITE A FEW, UH, EMAILS AND, UH, REGARDING, I GUESS THE PROCESS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT, OF THE, OF THE CONTRACTOR OUT THERE IN TERMS OF, UH, SAFETY.
I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE, UH, RAISE ISSUES TO ME OF SOME OSHA VIOLATIONS.
I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE, UH, BE, AND BRIAN, I'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH YOU.
I JUST PUBLICLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
WE CANNOT HAVE A CONTRACTOR TEARING UP THE STREET AND DOING WORK WITH MEN AND, UH, WOMEN IN TRENCHES WITHOUT PROPER BARRICADES.
WE CAN'T HAVE CREWS LEAVE AT THE END OF THE WORKDAY AND NOT MAKE SURE THOSE TRENCHES AREN'T BARRICADED AND THEY'RE NOT COVERED.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO MANAGE THAT PROCESS AND THAT WORK MUCH CLOSER THAN WHAT'S BEING DONE.
UM, CLEARLY I WASN'T HAPPY WHEN I GOT EMAILS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE BACKING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND THEIR CARS AND FALLING INTO A DITCH THAT'S NOT COVERED.
UM, MY CO AND I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, I, I TALKED TO BRIAN, BRIAN WAS CLEARLY NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT EITHER.
UH, SO I'M NOT ROLLING THE BUS OVER ANYBODY.
I'M JUST SAYING, COLLECTIVELY, AS OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT STAFF, WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WE ARE HIRING TO DO THAT WORK IS DOING IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR NOT ONLY THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS, BUT FOR THEIR OWN CREWS.
WE GOTTA GET A BETTER GRASP ON THAT.
THE EMAILS I GOT, IT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
AND THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT, UH, THE ENGINEER, I, THE ENGINEER AND I TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND THAT HE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS WITH HIS, UH, TEAM OF INSPECTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK GOING FORWARD WAS, UH, DONE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE, UH, THE OSHA RULES AND SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S BEEN A, A NOTED IMPROVEMENT FROM THE WORK THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTED SINCE.
UH, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT.
BUT YES, THAT, UH, YOU DID BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION, AND WE DID, UH, RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD TO THAT INFORMATION.
I JUST KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON THESE WATER MAINS OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, HOW MANY OTHER YEARS.
AND WE LOOK, SOMETIMES IT'S CHEAPER TO DO STUFF EASIER AND CUT CORNERS ALONG WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT MAN, IN THE LONG RUN, UH, THAT CAN BITE US.
AND I JUST DO NOT WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO THAT.
ANITA, YOU BROUGHT UP A QUESTION.
SO, WHO DOES INSPECT THE WORK WHEN IT'S SUPPOSEDLY DONE? OR IS IT INSPECTED? HOW, HOW'S THAT WHOLE PROCESS COME ABOUT? RUSS, WOULD YOU MIND? WE DO HAVE TWO INSPECTORS AND, UH, ONE, WE HAVE A LOT OF JOBS GOING ON, THOUGH, BUT, UH, THE ONE INSPECTOR WE HAVE IS HANDLING THIS PROJECT AND ANOTHER PROJECT.
SO HE'S THERE PRETTY MUCH HALF THE TIME.
SO WE DON'T, WE CAN'T HAVE HIM THERE ALL THE TIME CAUSE WE JUST HAVE TOO MANY JOBS.
UM, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO HIM, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA CHECK THAT ALL THIS OSHA RULES AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING.
BUT I THOUGHT IN MOST CASES, TRENCHES HAD BEEN FILLED IN BEFORE, PRIOR TO THE END OF THE DAY, OR BARRICADED DURING THE DAY IF THEY WERE LEFT OPEN.
SO, UH, BUT I'M GONNA CHECK MORE ON THAT, MAKE SURE IT'S BEING DONE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S JUST MANAGING THE EXPECTATION, RIGHT? THOSE GUYS KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS, AND THAT'S, WELL, YEAH, THEY BE SAFE, SAFE, THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD KNOW.
BUT LIKE I SAID, HE CAN'T BE OUT THERE EVERY CONSTANTLY, BUT, UH, HE'S TRYING ANYTHING ELSE.
[ Well #7 - Design - Award Contract]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS WILL NUMBER SEVEN, THE DESIGN AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, RUSS? YEAH.THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO ENTER A CONTRACT WITH W S P U S, A ENVIRONMENTAL AND AN INFRASTRUCTURE INCORPORATED.
UH, THIS COMPANY IS FORMALLY WOOD ENVIRONMENTAL, AND IT IS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE NEW, WELL, NUMBER SEVEN, AT THE WELL FIELD LOCATED NEAR RIPRAP ROAD WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, WE DID SOLICIT, SOLICIT, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FROM FIVE ENGINEERING FIRMS, UM, AND THAT, THAT PERFORMED THIS TYPE OF WORK.
THIS IS A KIND OF A SPECIALIZED TYPE OF WORK.
AND, UH, TWO PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED BACK, ONE FROM
[02:05:01]
TRAN CORPORATION AND ONE FROM W S P USA.THEY'RE BOTH LOCAL FIRMS OUT NEAR DAYTON.
UM, BOTH PROPOSALS WERE VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH.
THE SCOPE AND APPROACH FROM BOTH COMPANIES WERE SIMILAR, AND THEY BOTH MET THE OBJECTIVES THAT THE CITY FELT WERE NEEDED TO DETERMINE THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE NEW WELL AND FOR FUTURE WELLS.
UH, THE FEES FOR THE DESIGN WERE VERY CLOSE WITH W S P USA AT A TOTAL OF $386,563 IN TARRAN CORPORATION WITH THE FEE RANGE OF ROUGHLY 330,000 TO 417,000.
UH, SINCE BOTH THE FEES WERE FAIRLY CLOSE, THE FEE WAS REALLY NOT THE FACTOR IN DETERMINING THE OUTCOME.
UH, WE CHOSE W S P U USA BECAUSE THEY HAVE PERFORMED PREVIOUS STUDIES IN THE CITY, INCLUDING, UH, THE N APA SOURCE WATER PROTECTION PLAN.
UH, THE 72 HOUR WELL TEST WE DID A FEW YEARS AGO ON, WELL NUMBER SIX.
AND THEY ALSO DID, UH, THE ORIGINAL MODELING OF THE, THE WELL FIELD SITE.
UH, SO THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE A GOOD JOB FOR US, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN, UH, EPA APPROVALS FOR US.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY REAL QUICK, UH, THE WORK IS PRETTY DETAILED.
UM, IT INVOLVES A HYDRO HYDROGEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION DRILLING FOUR EXPLORATORY BORE HOLES, UH, GROUNDWATER MODELING UPDATE, A WELL FIELD DEVELOPMENT PLAN, EPA WELL SITE ACCEPTANCE PACKAGE, THE WELL DESIGN, UH, PREPARATIONS OF BID DOCUMENTS, CONTRACTOR INSPECTIONS, E P A STEP DRAWDOWN TEST, A 24 HOUR AQUIFER TEST.
UM, AND SO THIS COVERS ALL ENGINEERING SERVICES FROM DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND E P A APPROVALS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE COST ON THIS IS, IS FAIRLY HIGH.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO AWARD THIS TO W S P U S A AT A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $425,000.
AND THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE WATER UTILITY RESERVE FUND.
SO, IF I TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? YES, DON? JUST ONE BRIEF ONE.
UH, RUSS, WE DISCUSSED THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL WELL IN THE FUTURE, UM, UH, BEYOND NUMBER SEVEN, WILL ANY OF THE, UH, DATA THAT'S GATHERED BY THE COMPANY HERE BENEFIT US AS WE LOOK TO ADDING ANOTHER WALL? YEAH.
THE, WITH THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING FROM, UH, THE SWAB PROPERTY THAT'S OUT THERE, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE ACREAGE, A HUNDRED ACRES, UH, FOCUSING ON ABOUT 50 ACRES OF IT.
BUT THEY WILL HAVE TESTING DONE ON ALL HUNDRED ACRES.
SO THEY WILL KNOW THEY'RE GONNA FIND THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THIS NEW, WELL, THAT'LL PRODUCE THE MOST WATER.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE, UH, OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DO THE, DRAW THE TESTING, AND THEY'LL KNOW, UH, HOW THOSE COME OUT TO KNOW WHERE THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE.
UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ ODOT - Final Resolution - Brandt Pike Resurfacing]
IN WHICH IS THE ODOT FINAL RESOLUTION FOR THE BRANT PIKE RESURFACING.YEAH, THIS LEGISLATION IS A FINAL RESOLUTION FOR THE ODOT RESURFACING OF BRANT PIKE FROM JUST SOUTH OF FISHBURG ROAD TO THE SOUTH CORPORATION LINE, UH, JUST PAST TOM CLOUD.
UH, THE WORK WILL INCLUDE MILLING AND PAVING OF THE FULL WIDTH OF BRANT PIKE, AND THEN RES STRIPING THE ROAD, UH, WHEN THAT'S COMPLETED.
UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT, THE CITY HAS ALREADY MADE REPAIRS TO, UH, OVER 10 OR 10 CATCH BASINS ALONG THAT ROUTE.
AND WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE HANDICAP RAMPS TO MAKE, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN, UH, ADA STANDARDS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE.
UH, THE PROJECT WILL WILL BE BID OUT BY ODO IN LATE JULY OR AUGUST, AND THE PAVING WILL OCCUR LATER IN THE FALL.
UH, ODOT WILL MANAGE AND INSPECT ALL THE WORK, UH, AND THE CITY WILL ULTIMATELY PAY AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $294,624, WHICH IS 20% OF THE TOTAL COST.
AND THAT'S THE STANDARD WE PAY
UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE O UH, OLD TROY PIPE PROJECT WE DID, UH, THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS A FINAL LEGISLATION TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT, AND IT STATES THAT WE AGREED TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY FOR OUR SHARE OF THE COST.
UM, BEFORE I FINISH, I HAVE ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY ON THIS PROJECT.
THERE ARE THREE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
UH, IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSED ADDING STAMPED ASPHALT AND PAINTED CROSSWALKS TO THE INTERSECTIONS, UH, ON 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2, ONCE ODOT DOES COME IN AND, AND FINISH THE WORK WITH PAVING AND STRIPING.
UH, SO WE, UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE DON'T WANT TO RUN IT THROUGH ODOT BECAUSE ODOT WON'T
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PAY ANY OF THAT COST.UH, I'M GONNA GO OUT AND GET QUOTES FROM A CONTRACTOR.
I'M TRYING TO GET A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
I'M, IT'S KIND OF HARD FINDING COMPANIES THAT DO THIS, BUT THERE ARE, THEY ARE OUT THERE, UH, AND COME BACK WITH QUOTES TO DO THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS.
AND POSSIBLY IF WE COULD, POSSIBLY, IF YOU WANTED TO DO US TO GO BACK ON OLD TROY AT FISHBURG, UH, WE COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT ONE ALSO.
BUT I'M GONNA COME BACK TO COUNSEL WITH THAT, WITH THE QUOTES ON THAT TO, UH, ADD THOSE, UH, AF RIGHT AFTER ODAC GETS FINISHED WITH BRAND.
AND THE ROUTE YOU SAID JUST, UM, ONE MORE TIME IS FROM FISHBURG.
IT'S FROM SOUTH TO CLOUD PARK? YES.
OR JUST BEYOND CLOUD PARK? YEAH.
TO THE CORP LINE, WHICH IS JUST PAST
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? NOPE, DON, SORRY, MIRA.
I JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNSEL, UH, AT THE TIME WE DISCUSSED THE, THE CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, TO MY RECOLLECTION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT MASK ARM IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE, UM, RECALL THAT CONVERSATION? AND IS THAT STILL OUR OPINION? WELL, IT, IT'S OUR POSITION THAT WE'LL BRING YOU, UH, THREE, EFFECTIVELY THREE QUOTES FOR EVERY INTERSECTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE MAST ARM, UH, CONFIGURATION.
IT WOULD BE THE UPDATED SIDEWALK, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE BACKLIT STREET SIGNS.
AND BASED ON, UH, COUNCIL'S APPETITE AND, UH, FISCAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE, YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY PLUS UP WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
[ 2023 Water Main Replacement Program - Solicit Bids]
OH, WITH THE 2023 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AND SOLICITING BIDS, RUSS, UH, THIS, UH, LEGISLATION ALLOWED US TO GO OUT THE BIDS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WATER MAINS ON PORTIONS OF EIGHT DIFFERENT STREETS WITHIN THE, UH, MIDDLE TO SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY, UH, STREET, UH, IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS THE AREA OF THE CITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS REPLACEMENT.UH, THE STREETS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE WATER MAIN INCLUDE PORTIONS OF HUBBARD, CHESHAM, SANDSBURY, HARTWICK, ALTAR, LONGFORD, STORK, AND TOMBERG.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING THE WATER MAINS, UM, BREAKS IN OUR GIS MAPPING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND, UH, ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND THESE STREETS THAT WE FELT HAVE HAD NUMEROUS BREAKS, AND WE'D LIKE TO, UH, UH, CHOOSE THESE AS THE ONES THAT DO NEXT.
UM, AFTER THE MAINS WERE REPLACED, WE, WE PLAN TO REPAVE THE ROADS AS PART OF THE STREET PROGRAM AT THE END OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
UH, WE WILL USE THE WATER CAPITAL FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT WITH A KNOT TO EXCEED A $4 MILLION.
UM, WE'LL BID THIS OUT FAIRLY SOON, AND I KNOW THE PIPE WE HAD IN ORDERED IS SUPPOSED TO COME IN IN AUGUST OF SEPTEMBER, AND WE'D PROBABLY START THE PROJECT RIGHT AFTER THAT PIPE COMES IN.
I'M JUST GONNA ASK PUBLICLY, THE ZINE CODED PIPE, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ Case RZ BDP 22-35 - Thomas Dusa - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Technology Boulevard/Artz Road]
P, WHICH IS CASE R Z BDP 22 DASH 35.THIS IS THE REZONING AND THE BASE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS KIND OF THE, UH, TRUCKING, MAINTENANCE, AND SERVICE, UH, AND SERVICE FACILITY IN LOT.
SO, AARON, YEAH, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD.
UM, THE, UH, YOU DID SEE EXPANDED, UM, SITE PLAN LAST TIME.
UM, WHAT I TOLD TOM, HE DIDN'T NEED TO BE HERE.
UM, WHAT HE DID RELAY TO ME IS IF, IF THERE'S AN APPETITE OF THAT EXPANDED SITE PLAN, UM, FROM COUNSEL, HE WOULD RATHER SEE, UH, IT GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW RATHER THAN, UH, DENIAL.
BUT I'M JUST RELAYING WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD TOLD ME.
WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I WANT ADD? YES, MARK MAYOR, I'VE READ EVERYTHING.
IT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US ON, AND I'M STILL NOT GOOD WITH THE PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME OR PLACE TO DO THAT, BUT, WELL, SURE.
WELL, I THINK BECAUSE WE'LL GET TO A POINT, I'M GONNA ASK IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION OF COUNSEL TO MOVE THIS FO WELL, YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO READINGS.
SO AT THAT POINT, IT'LL BE THERE, BUT NO, SEE, YEAH, CERTAINLY COMMENTS OR APPRECIATE KATE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD.
SO MONDAY, THAT'S, UH, SO IT'LL, I MEAN, IT'LL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE UP FOR A WHILE.
WELL, SO, WELL, IT'S, IT'S UP FOR A THIRD READING.
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RIGHT? IT CAN GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF IT'S, IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA MONDAY, THE WAY THAT IT SITS WITH THE EXPANSION, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SIX VOTES TO PASS.BECAUSE WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED WAS THE SMALLER VERSION OF THE LOFT.
SO THERE COULD EITHER BE A MOTION MADE TO MOVE IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANDED LOTS, THE EXPANDED PARKING.
UH, THEN WHEN THAT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL, FIVE VOTES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PASS IT.
IF SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION TOMORROW TO, OR MONDAY TO PASS THE EXPANDED LOT THAT WE'VE SEEN, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE SIX VOTES.
UH, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE FIRST FIVE VOTES TO AMEND IT, AND THEN SIX VOTES TO ADOPT THE AMENDED ORDINANCES.
OR SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND FOR, TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND IF IT DOESN'T GET THE VOTES REQUIRED, THEN IT, THEN IT DIES.
SO, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I MEAN.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS WE HAVE FOR, FOR MONDAY.
I'M, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE MOVE INTO MONDAY AND TAKE A VOTE.
SO, UM, SO IT'S, SORRY, NOT GONNA BE THERE.
SO SOMEONE JUST HAS TO MAKE A MOTION.
BUT, BUT THE MOTION IS GONNA DEFINE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WHETHER YOU'RE VOTING ON THE EXISTING OR WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADVANCE THE MOTION OF, OF THE EXPANDED LAW.
DO WE DECIDE THAT TODAY YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT NO ONE'S BOUND? BY THAT, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE, UH, THERE AT A THIRD READING.
SO IF YOU WERE AGAINST IT, SOMEONE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT IT AS IS.
AND THEN IF IT DIDN'T RECEIVE, UM, THE, THE FIVE VOTES NECESSARY TO PASS IT IN ITS CURRENT STATE, THEN IT WOULD FAIL.
I WOULD PREFER TO REVOTE ON IT AS IS, WHICH WOULD BE FIVE VOTES.
SO SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, THERE WOULD BE A SECOND, AND THEN THE VOTE WOULD BE TAKEN.
IF IT DID NOT RECEIVE FIVE VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THEN IT WOULD FAIL.
AND THAT'S FOR THE EXISTING LOT SIZE, NOT THE EXPANDED PIECE, RICHARD.
UM, IT WAS MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THIS ITEM, UH, WAS GOING TO GARNER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND HOPEFULLY BLESSING BY THE, UM, UH, DEVELOPER TO THEN GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, WAS MADE, UH, INITIALLY BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB.
UH, THEN I HAD SUPPORTED THAT, UH, INITIAL, UM, ACTION.
I STILL THINK THAT IS THE CORRECT ACTION IN MY OPINION, UH, FOR THIS EXPANDED VIEW, UM, MEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE HERE TODAY WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, WHO I BELIEVE DID APPROVE THIS PLAN.
AM I CORRECT, AARON? THEY APPROVED IT WITH ONCE THAT ONE? WELL, I WOULD SAY YES, THEY APPROVED IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD'VE APPROVED IT WITHOUT THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING BEING A PART OF IT.
AND EVEN WITH THE EXPANDED PLAN, IT STILL HAS THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UM, PORTION.
AM I CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT, YES.
SO, YEAH, I, I, I'M, I'M OF THE BELIEF THAT THIS, UH, SHOULD GET A SECONDARY REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AS WE INITIALLY DISCUSSED, MAYOR.
SO WE HAVE TWO OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND LET YOU GUYS DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANNA SEND THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO, WHETHER YOU WANNA VOTE ON, I GUESS I WOULD ASK MAYOR IF IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME SINCE, UM, UH, NOT, UH, NOT IN ANY ILL WILL, BUT I, I DID, UH, MENTION COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB, UH, UM, IF I MAY ASK IF THAT WAS STILL HIS, UH, HIS VIEWPOINT FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE LAST DISCUSSION WE HAD.
SO, DONALD, I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ANSWER THAT.
I MEAN, SO NANCY HAS, HAS SPOKEN FIRST, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOTH THESE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I, SO HERE WE GO.
I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER WAY TO OKAY.
TO DETERMINE, SO YOU DON'T, WHERE THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR A THIRD RE REGARDLESS.
SO IF THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS AMONGST THE GROUP, THEN YOU HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
I'M MONDAY AND DEAL WITH, DEAL WITH THE MOTIONS THAT ARE MADE EITHER TO REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO A MOTION TO ADOPT, AND, UM, THEN EVERYBODY PROVOKE THEIR CONSCIENCE AT THAT POINT.
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WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO HAVE A, UM, WELL, I GUESS A MOTION YOU MADE, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS, WHERE WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE BOTH, WHERE BOTH OPTIONS HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER PASS OR FAIL.SO, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHOWS, UH, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY HOW IT WOULD BE HANDLED.
I MEAN, YOU EITHER MOTION COULD BE MADE AND THEN IT, YOU WOULD VOTE ON THOSE MOTIONS IN THE ORDER THEY WERE RECEIVED.
SO LET'S SAY IF IT'S, I, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MAJORITY FOR BOTH OF 'EM.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THOUGH, IS THAT IF I'M TRYING TO BE AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THIS, IF WE HAVE THE ITEM LISTED THE WAY THAT IT IS AND, AND A AND A AND A VOTE IS MADE AND IT'S, OR A MOTIONS MADE, AND IT, AND IT FAILS, IT'S FAILING IN THE EXISTING FORM.
SO AT THAT TIME, COULD SOMEONE THEN MAKE A MOTION TO SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANDED LOT? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.
IS THAT AT THAT POINT DURING THE COUNSELING, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IF, IF THERE IS A MAJORITY TO MOVE BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION? IF, IF IT FAILS IN ITS EXISTING FORMAT, IF IT FAILS IN ITS EXISTING FORMAT, AND MAYBE DAVE HAS INPUT, I WOULD THINK THAT IT JUST DIES.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT SHOULD BE THE ACTION TAKEN BEFORE IT'S VOTED DOWN.
I, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT IF THERE'S, UM, I MEAN, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, I WOULD PROBABLY DO THE MOTION, THE MOTION TO SEND A PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WOULD STILL BE ON THE TABLE.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU COULD THEN, AGAIN, EITHER AMEND AND VOTE, OR YOU CAN JUST AMEND ON THE APPLICATION AS IT STANDS.
BUT I THINK ONCE THE, ONCE IT DIES, IT DIES FOR LACK OF A BETTER, SO, SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THEN, TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION TO HAVE THE, HAVE THE, THE LEGISLATION HAVE THE, THE AGENDA ITEM B TO SEND IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION? AND IF THAT FAILS OR PASSES, THEN WE KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE EXISTING, IF IT PASSES, IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF IT FAILS, THEN THE LEGISLATION IS STILL THERE FOR THE EXISTING SMALLER LOT.
I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE RIGHT? BECAUSE GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE EXPANDED LOT, SO IF THAT DOESN'T PASS, THEN THE, THERE WOULD BE A VOTE FOR THE LEGISLATION AS IT SITS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE
I MEAN, IF THAT'S, WELL, LET'S DO IT THAT WAY.
ANY OBJECTION, DON TONY ROGERS NUMBER OF YES.
VOTE REQUIRED TO REMAND IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION? FIVE.
I SEE NO REASON NOT TO, UH, HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AND MOVE ON IT ON MONDAY.
SO WE'LL GO THE, THE ROUTE OF A MOTION TO GO TO PLAN BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST.
IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THE LEGISLATION IS STILL THERE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EXISTING JUSTICE GONNA VOTE ON IT? NO.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? NO.
APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD EXAMPLES HERE THAT DON'T FIT THE YEAH, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE GETTING THROUGH THAT PIECE.
I KNOW THAT DIDN'T SOUND PERFECT, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.
IT'S THE SHORTEST DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD ON, AGAIN, YES, THIS IS TRUE.
UH, NEXT WILL BE ITEM THREE Q, WHICH
[ ServLine Leak Protection Program]
IS THE SERVE LINE LEAK PROTECTION PROGRAM.UH, RICHARD, YOU'D ASKED US TO BE ON THE AGENDA, SO IF THERE'S SOME INFORMATION YOU HAVE FOR US, I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US KNOW.
UH, AS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET OF SOME INFORMATION, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT, UH, TO MY ATTENTION ACTUALLY BY ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS AND LOCAL RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNERS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY PROGRAM FROM THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
UM, HE HAS, UH, PROUDLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROGRAM FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR CH OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND OTHER LOCAL, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, WITHIN THE, UM, WATER AND SEWER, UH, WORLD.
UM, THIS PROGRAM WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD, UH, BACK IN KANSAS CITY, UH, WITH, UM, THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY, UM, INDIVIDUALS IN HOME SERVE.
UM, IT WAS THEN, UH, FOUND THAT A, A LEAK
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ADJUSTMENT AND AND SEWER LEAK PROGRAM WOULD, UH, BE BENEFICIAL TO PRESENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING OUR TIME OF INFRASTRUCTURE CONVERSATIONS.UM, THIS WOULD WORK, UH, AS SIMILAR TO THE PRO UH, THE PROGRAM THAT IS IN EXISTENCE NOW WITH THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY PROGRAM.
UH, THIS, UH, WOULD GO, UH, DIRECTLY OUT TO THE RESIDENCE, UM, TO ENROLL THERE WOULD BE ZERO, UM, KICKBACKS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, UH, I DO WANT TO, UH, PUBLICLY THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND, UH, VIOLA WATER FOR PROVIDING SOME OF THE INFORMATION.
AND, AND RUSS, UH, THAT WENT INTO, UM, UH, TO A LOT OF THE DETAILS THAT ARE PROVIDED.
UM, SERVICE LINE IS, UM, SET UP TO, UH, HANDLE A, UM, A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN, UH, THE INITIAL LETTER CAMPAIGN THAT GOES OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS, UH, WITH VERY MINIMAL, UM, UM, UH, NEEDING, UH, FROM THE STAFF.
UM, I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP MANY YEARS AGO WITH THE SERVICE LINE, HOW MUCH, UH, STAFF WORK AND INPUT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKING PLACE.
UM, ALL PHONE CALLS WOULD BE DIRECTED THROUGH, UM, THE, UH, SERVER LEAK, UM, UH, PROGRAM.
UM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE HANDLED DIRECTLY THROUGH THEM, UM, AS FAR AS ANY TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, NOW, UH, OF COURSE THE, THE 20, UH, MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION TYPICALLY GETS BROUGHT UP WHEN THESE, UM, WHY DOESN'T A RESIDENT JUST GO OUT TO THEIR OWN HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE COMPANY AND GET THIS? YES, YOU CAN, BUT TYPICALLY YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY IS GONNA ASK FOR A DEDUCTIBLE BETWEEN $500,000.
WITH THIS PROGRAM, THERE IS ZERO, UH, $0 DEDUCTIBLE, UH, TO INITIATE, UH, THIS PROGRAM.
UM, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A FEE, UM, UH, JUST LIKE WITH ANY TYPE OF, UH, HOME WARRANTY PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE PAID DIRECTLY FROM OUR RESIDENTS TO THE COMPANY, UM, THAT WOULD BE NOT, UH, THAT WOULD NOT BE FACILITATED, UH, THROUGH THE CITY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
UH, AS DETAILED IN THE PACKAGE.
UH, MY REQUEST ON MONDAY WOULD BE A, UM, UM, WOULD BE A MOTION, UH, TO, UM, UH, ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO, UH, ENGAGE IN, UM, COMMUNICATION WITH THE SERVE LEAK PROTECTION AND, UH, START THIS CAMPAIGN.
UM, IMMEDIATELY I THINK IT WOULD, UM, A HUGELY BENEFIT DEFINITELY OUR, OUR SOUTHERN, UH, RESIDENTS WHO WERE, WHO'VE SEEN A LOT OF WATER MAIN BREAKS, LEAKS IN THEIR HOMES, THINGS OF THIS NATURE.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, SPEAKING WITH, UM, AND, AND, AND I'VE GOT THEIR BLESSING TO PUT 'EM OUT THERE, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, SEWER AND DRAIN, UM, UH, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, WHO HAS, UH, NOT ONLY ENDORSED THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY PROGRAM, UH, BUT THIS PROGRAM AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE AS CURRENTLY OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED ON THEIR WATER BILL, IF THERE'S A CONSTANT LEAK ON THEIR WATER BILL, UM, THE CUSTOMERS, UM, THAT ARE ENROLLED IN THIS PROGRAM COULD CALL UP AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S MY BILL.
THEY WILL COME OUT AND, UM, AND, AND FISH FOR THAT LEAK, FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S AT, AND MAKE ANY PROPER REPAIRS COVERED UNDERNEATH THIS WARRANTY PLAN AT ZERO COST TO THE CUSTOMER, UM, BY ENROLLED ON THIS.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO GO WITH SEWER, UM, AND SEPTIC LINES AS WELL.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT IS MY ASK HERE TONIGHT.
UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
UM, I ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, UH, DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY PROGRAM HAS DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I THINK, UM, UH, JUST IN, UH, THE, UM, FEW MONTHS OF 2023, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN SAVINGS TO OUR RESIDENTS JUST ON THAT PROGRAM AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, I DO, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE NLC SERVICE LINE WARRANTY PROGRAM HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
UM, YEAH, WE HAD SOME FEW, UH, SPEED BUMPS INITIALLY WHEN THE PROGRAM LAID OUT.
UH, BUT I THINK NOW WE HAVE A, A GREAT COMMUNICATIONS, UM, TEAM SET UP.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, PROVIDED IN THE FEEDBACK OVER SEVERAL YEARS, UH, THE, UM, TOOL KIT AND THE MEDIA KIT SET UP BY THEM DIRECTLY TO HANDLE ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES, UH, IS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL.
UH, APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
UH, I, I, I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE PROGRAM ITSELF HAS BEEN, UH, VERY GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK THE, THE HICCUPS AND ALL THE, THE ISSUES WE HAD BACK AT THAT TIMEFRAME WAS THE COMMUNICATION ISSUE.
WE DIDN'T, WE HAD RESIDENTS BECAUSE OF THE, THE MAILINGS AND ALL THE, UH, THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A, PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS A CITY PROGRAM CORRECT.
OR WHETHER IT WAS AN OUTSIDE FIRM PROGRAM.
AND BECAUSE THE CITY LOGO WAS ON THEIR MAILERS OR ON THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS OR THE LETTERS.
I MEAN, AT LEAST MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT'S WHERE ALL THE ISSUES CAME FROM.
NOT THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE PROGRAM.
WE WERE ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHO IS THIS? IS THIS CITY SANCTIONED? IS THIS THE CITY DOING IT? UM, OR WHATEVER.
THOSE SEEM TO BE THE, THE ISSUES THAT I REMEMBER.
AND, AND MAYOR, JUST FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION, WITH THE SERVE LEAK
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AND, AND, AND SERVE, UH, LEAK SEWER PROTECTION PROGRAM, SAME SITUATION'S GONNA GO ON AS THE, THE PARTNERSHIP LOGOS OF NLC, THE CITY AND AND SERVICE LINE WILL BE ON THERE.UM, AND THE, AND WE DID MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IN OUR LETTERS WITH THE, UM, THE INITIAL PROGRAM, UH, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A PROGRAM THAT IS, HOW DO I WANNA SAY IT? UH, UH, I CAN'T BELIEVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS AFFILIATED OR, OR, OR SPONSORED BY THE CITY, BUT IT WAS MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP.
AND I WOULD BE VERY, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF, IF, IF THE MAILING OR SOMETHING SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SERVE LEAGUE PROGRAM CORRECT.
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY RIGHTS OR SOMETHING, JUST WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THAT INFORMATION AND THINK THAT THIS WAS A WARRANTY THAT THE CITY WAS OFFERING.
AND SEEMED TO BE SOME DELINEATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE, AND, AND THE COMPANY.
AND I WILL SAY IN THE INITIAL, UM, FIRST RUNNINGS, UH, WHEN I WORKED WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER ON THAT PROGRAM, WE DID, UH, WE DID GET THAT LANGUAGE, UH, PUT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN THOSE INITIAL LETTERS AND EVEN THE LETTERS THAT HAVE COME OUT SINCE THEN.
I THINK, AND I DO REMEMBER THAT YES.
IN THE SUBSEQUENT LETTERS THAT WENT OUT, BECAUSE THERE WAS, THEY DID A MULTIPLE ROUND OF MAILINGS OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT FIRST ONE IS WHERE WE GOT OUR BUTTS HANDED INTO IT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE SUBSEQUENT ONE, ONES SUBSEQUENT LETTERS OR MAILINGS THAT WENT OUT, SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE GOT A LITTLE BETTER MEANS, HOLD ONE SECOND.
I'M GONNA GO TO DON, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
DON, I WAS JUST GONNA HEAR YOU.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND CLARIFY.
OH, LIKE ARD SAID, IT WAS A HICCUP AT FIRST, ONLY BECAUSE THE INITIAL MAILING WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THAT PROGRAM LOOKED A LITTLE TOO, UH, CITI AND, UM, SEEMED AS THOUGH, UH, THE CITY WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, BUT THEY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED THAT WITH THEIR SUBSEQUENT MAILINGS AND MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
UH, SO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HAVING A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS AT FIRST WITH THE SUBSEQUENT MAILINGS, AND EACH ONE I'VE RECEIVED SINCE, UM, MAKE IT PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT'S A, UH, UNAFFILIATE OR PARTNERSHIP.
UM, WHY IS IT NECESSARY FOR THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS? WHY CAN, WHY CAN'T SERVICE LINE PROTECTION SEND OUT A SOLICITATION, THEY COULD PUT NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES OR WHATEVER ON IT AND GO THAT WAY? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED AND POSSIBLY MISCONSTRUED? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY EVEN SEES A WORD PARTNERED, IT KIND OF SUGGESTS THAT THE CITY ENDORSES IT.
AND, AND SO WHY CAN'T THEY GO OUT WITHOUT OUR LOGO, JUST DO THEIR OWN ADVERTISING? I MEAN, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PROGRAM IS, I GUESS.
RUSS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I TAKE A LOT OF THESE PHONE CALLS AND MOST PEOPLE ASK ME IF THIS IS A SCAM.
AND IT HELPS, I THINK HAVING THE CITY ON THERE, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAY WE PARTNERED WITH THEM, AND THAT'S KIND OF AN INDICATION THAT IT'S NOT A SCAM.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I TELL PEOPLE.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY HELPS OR NOT, BUT, UM, AND I, AND, AND RUSS TO THAT POINT, I, A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR IT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING THE CITY PROMOTED.
AND I JUST, THERE IS A, UM, UM, NANCY, THERE IS A, A FAIRLY DECENT EXPLANATION IN THE MATERIAL THAT RICHARD PROVIDED THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE VALUE THAT THE CITY LOCAL BRINGS, UM, UH, TO THE PROGRAM AND VICE VERSA.
UM, UH, I, I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT'S WORDED.
IF YOU, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT IN THERE OR NOT, BUT THANK YOU.
MARK, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, RICHARD.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT PARTNERING WITH OTHER BUSINESSES? OH, WE, I, UH, YES.
AND WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE DO IT NEXT? AND WHAT BUSINESS WOULD WE PARTNER WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN HUBER HEIGHTS COULD BE STRENGTHENED WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND LOGO BRANDING, THE CO-BRANDING.
AND I THINK THE CO-BRANDING IS WHAT IS OF VALUE.
SO I'M, I'M WONDERING, MAYOR, WHAT BUSINESS OR BUSINESSES WE COULD ANTICIPATE DOING NEXT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE BETA TESTED THIS AND THAT CO-BRANDING WORKS, I WONDER HOW WE COULD HELP OTHER BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GAMBLE, IF I CAN KIND OF PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT ON THAT.
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YOU LOOK AT THAT CO-BRANDING AND, AND SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, UM, AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE, UM, LOCAL BRANDED, UH, COMPANIES, LOCAL OWNED COMPANIES HERE IN, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, SEWER AND DRAIN, UM, AND THEY, HOW THEY GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS PROGRAM IS GOING THROUGH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED OUT THIS PROGRAM, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA USE LOCALLY OWNED COMPANIES HERE IN THE REGION.NOT SOMEBODY FROM COLUMBUS OR CINCINNATI OR CHICAGO.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THIS AREA BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THAT INITIAL PROGRAM THIS COUNCIL SET IN FORTH MANY YEARS AGO, WE NOT ONLY BRANDED A PARTNERSHIP, WE HELPED OUT A LOCAL BUSINESS AND RESIDENT HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND MANY OTHERS.
UM, I, I THINK, I THINK IN TOTAL THERE IS SIX PLUS LOCAL COMPANIES WITHIN HUB HEIGHTS AND DAYTON THAT SERVICE NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS OF DAYTON, TROTWOOD, RIVERSIDE, UH, AND HUB HEIGHTS AND MANY OTHERS THAT ARE WITH THIS PROGRAM.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIP, THAT HAS NOW BECOME A REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP.
SO, SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS MAYBE LAWN CARE.
AND, AND RUSS, WHEN YOU INDICATED THAT MAYBE SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS CALLED MM-HMM.
AND I WONDER IF WE WERE TO EXPAND IT, IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING DAVE, THAT YOUR FIRM COULD LOOK AT AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOME ROLES OR REGULATIONS OF WHAT MAKES BEST PRACTICE.
BRIAN, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? UM, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT A BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS ONE THAT MEETS CITY STANDARDS OR MEETS EXPECTATIONS OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, SO THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THAT.
THERE IS THEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS AND TO QUANTIFY AND CLARIFY WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE'D BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO, THE CITY STAFF WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO RESPOND TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL THOUGHT AND, AND INFORMATION BACK FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A POTENTIAL PROMISE, OR I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIAL BENEFIT, I, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, UH, TO LOOKING AT THIS FURTHER AND SEEING WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY THROUGH, UH, OUR, UH, I THINK AFFILIATION WAS, UH, WAS A WORD THAT, THAT I HEARD USED AROUND THE DIAS A FEW TIMES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, I THINK THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
WELL, I THINK RICHARD, A LOT OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE WITH THIS PROJECT.
I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INVENT THE WILL AS WE ALMOST COOKIE CUTTER, HOWEVER WE DID THIS PROGRAM.
I THINK IT MIGHT BENEFIT A LOT OF SERVICE BUSINESSES AND THE LIKE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I I THINK A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK TO, UM, AND I DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID, BUT IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE DO LOTS OF THINGS TO PROTECT RESIDENTS ON A DAILY BASIS.
IF, IF THERE'S A RESIDENT OUT THERE WHO, WHO WOULD, WHO SAW A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WHO, WHO MIGHT BE OTHERWISE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEIR HOUSE THROUGH EITHER THE SERVICE LINE OR THE SERVE LEAK WORK, THEY DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SURE.
IF IT WAS A LEGITIMATE OFFER OR A LEGITIMATE COMPANY, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY A, THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE NOT OFFERING TO THOSE RESIDENTS OF US TO, TO HELP THEM PROTECT THEIR HOME IN, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS, I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE THINK THAT IT IS A CITY PROGRAM, BUT CERTAINLY THE CO-BRANDING, THE, AND PARTNERSHIP WITH AND ASSOCIATION WITH, OR AS LONG AS THAT LANGUAGE IS, UH, IS UNDERSTOOD.
IF IT, YOU KNOW, RUSS, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MIND FIELDING THOSE CALLS, IF WE GET, IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA CALL THE CITY AND ASK, IS THIS OKAY? THEN I THINK IT'S THEN HELPS, HELPS THEM MAYBE MAKE THEIR DECISION THAT YEAH, IT, IT IS OKAY IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE WANTING TO BUY.
I MEAN, THIS IS STILL SOMETHING BOUGHT AND SOLD OVER THE OPEN MARKET.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS, UH, SEE THE VALUE IN IT.
AND I'D HATE FOR SOMEONE NOT TO GET PROTECTION THAT THEY WOULD WANNA BUY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SURE OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE LEGITIMACY OF THE OFFER, MARK.
WELL, WE'RE NOT CO-BRANDING WITH A PARTNER THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY CHECKED OUT AND WE DON'T TRUST.
RUSS, WITH OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM, CONCRETE PROGRAM, UH, THE RESIDENTS COULD PAY TO HAVE THAT DONE THEMSELVES, RIGHT? YES.
AND DO YOU GIVE THEM A LIST OF CONTRACTORS? YEAH, WE HAVE BONDED CONTRACTORS.
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TO VET THOSE CONTRACTORS? AND YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME A RESIDENT, A SUBSTANDARD CONTRACTOR.WE REALLY AREN'T, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WAY FOR ME TO CHECK 'EM ALL.
CAUSE SOME COME IN AS NEW CONTRACTORS AND I REALLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THAT YOU DON'T RECOMMEND? UH, NO, I DON'T DO THAT.
I DON'T REALLY LIKE TO RECOMMEND OTHERS EITHER.
I DON'T TYPICALLY, I MEAN, IF IT'S A SOMEBODY SO YOU DON'T RECOMMEND, IT'S WHO IT IS, KIND OF, IF IT'S SOMETHING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE CITY, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND A CONTRACTOR.
BUT, UH, I CAN'T SAY I HAVEN'T, BUT I DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
AND, AND DAVE, I THINK THEREIN LIES THE ISSUE.
I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM THAT RICHARD'S BROUGHT UP AND WE VETTED THIS COMPANY, AND I THINK WE COULD LEARN A LOT FROM WHAT WE DID TO VET THAT COMPANY AND, AND BE ABLE TO VET OTHER COMPANIES THAT WOULD WORK ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.
AND I, AND I WILL SAY ADDITIONALLY, TO ADD TO THAT, UH, MAYOR AND, UH, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CAMPBELL, UH, UH, LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THIS COMPANY HAS ULTI ULTIMATELY BEEN VETTED BY THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
UM, AND THAT HAS GONE THROUGH A RIGOROUS, UH, NOT ONLY A LEGAL REVIEW, A QUALITY REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT, THEY EVEN BECOME A SAVINGS AND SOLUTIONS PARTNER, WHICH IS WHY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A, A COMMUNITY, AS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, BECAUSE WE TRUST IN THEIR VETTING PROCESS AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDE TO US AS A MEMBER COMMUNITY.
AND SO, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST CONTINUING THAT CO-BRANDING BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THEIR CO-BRANDING, WHAT WHAT WE BELIEVE IN IS THEIR VETTING PROCESS.
SO, DAVE, COULD YOU, COULD YOU RESEARCH THAT AND FIND OUT WHAT VETTING THEY PERFORMED? THEY, I'M SORRY, THEY BEING N LC.
N LC BE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.
AND RICHARD, YOU FIRST INTRODUCED THIS TO US HOW MANY YEARS AGO? UH, THIS WAS LATE 2016, EARLY 2017.
SO, YEAH, IT'S BEEN A, YEAH, SO, SO IT'S PROVEN.
AND I THINK IF WE JUST DUPLICATE THAT AND WHEN WE DO RECOMMEND, UH, MAYBE A CONCRETE VENDOR, WE CAN HAVE SOME VETTING PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOWED, I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT.
WOULD WE, WOULD WE ACCEPT ANY LIABILITY BY DOING THAT? I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LAW DIRECTOR'S GONNA FIND OUT FOR US.
AND THAT'D BE PART OF THE REVIEW, OBVIOUSLY.
SO TONY HAS JUST BROUGHT MY ATTENTION TOO, WHEN WE DID THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY, UH, ISSUE BACK THEN, UH, TWO SEVEN 2017.
IN 2017, YOU GUYS ADOPTED IT AS A RESOLUTION.
SO RATHER THAN JUST A MOTION, IT WOULD, IT SHOULD BE DONE PROBABLY AS A RESOLUTION, AGAIN, TO KEEP, UH, KEEPING IN THE SAME TONE THAT WE DID IT BEFORE, UH, BACK IN, BACK IN SEVEN, OR THAT YOU GUYS DID IT BEFORE BACK IN 2017.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, ISSUES MOVING THE, MOVING THIS FORWARD OR, UH, PENDING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, WE ARE, WE DON'T NEED, WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION REGARDING THIS.
DAVE'S INFORMATION IS GONNA BE ABOUT CO-BRANDING OR DOING OTHER TYPE OF SERVICES, BUT, UH, AS THE WAY IT IS NOW IS WOULD THERE BE, UH, A MAJORITY OBJECTION ADDING THIS AS A RESOLUTION.
UM, AND RICHARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO BEING A RESOLUTION LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS? UH, I, I DO NOT MERIT, UH, THE ONLY, UM, JUST SO THERE'S NO SURPRISES.
UM, IF THIS DOES, UM, IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL ON MONDAY, UM, UH, I WOULD THEN, UH, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE A, UH, PROBABLY ONE CONFERENCE CALL WITH THE, UM, UH, SERVICE LEAGUE, UH, SERVICE LINE WARRANTY FOLKS, UH, AND THEIR, UM, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA TEAM.
UM, ALL OF THE DRAFT LETTERS WOULD THEN, OF COURSE, STILL BE REVIEWED BY THIS COUNCIL BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN SENT OUT, LIKE IT WAS DONE BEFORE.
UM, AND, UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UH, BRIAN WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIS FINAL GO, NO, GO ON THAT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST RUN WITH IT.
UM, I, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, FROM WHAT WE'D DONE IN 2017 WHEN I'M SURE RUSS HAD NOTHING BUT PHONE CALLS ALL DAY LONG TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN DRAMATIC WITH WHAT WE'VE LEARNED AND WHAT WE'VE NOT.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THIS PROGRAM? WHAT IS GOING ON? IT'S VERY SPELLED OUT.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S BEEN, AS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CAMPBELL SAID, IT'S BEEN A VETTED PROCESS OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
SO ARE THERE, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO, AND THIS AS A RESOLUTION TO MONDAY, GUESS KATE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM OUR
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LAW DIRECTOR BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE ON IT.WELL, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, I MEAN, IF HE CAN HAVE IT DONE BY MONDAY, GREAT.
WE VOTE WELL, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'VE ASKED HIM TO VET IS THE PROCESS OF NOT THIS PROCESS.
THE PROCESS OF, OF OTHER, OF OTHER BUSINESSES AND LIABILITY AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
THIS, UH, THE LEG, THE RESOLUTION WILL BE PROPOSED FOR MONDAY, WOULD BASICALLY BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE SERVICE LINE WARRANTY WORK THAT'S BEEN VETTED ALL THROUGH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
THIS WOULD JUST BE THE, THIS IS FOR THE SEWER OUTSIDE OF THE LEAK PROTECT, IT'S LEAK PROTECTION OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL SERVICE LINE WARRANTY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN VETED FROM LEGAL, AND THIS WOULD JUST BE THE IDENTICAL RESOLUTION, BUT JUST AN ADDED FEATURE.
JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO THAT.
I, I DO RECALL BACK AT THE END OF 20 16, 20 17, WHEN THIS STARTED, UH, THEN LAW DIRECTOR ALAN SCHAFFER, UH, DID, UH, HAVE, UH, SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER ON, UH, THE PROPER VETTING OF THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, LIABILITY TO THE CITY, UH, THE CO-BRANDING, THE THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, UH, TEAM.
UM, SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF NEED BE, I'M SURE DAVE COULD PROBABLY FIND THAT OPINION, THAT LEGWORK.
UH, BUT THAT WAS VETTED BY OUR LAW DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WHY IT WENT TO THE NEXT STEP, UH, WITH THIS CO WITH THIS COUNCIL.
WE'LL SEE A RESOLUTION ON MONDAY.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Property Maintenance Review Board - Appointment]
ITEM THREE R, WHICH IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS TITLE? YES.WE HAVE, UH, ONE RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENT TO THE PROPERTY AND MAIN, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD.
UH, THE INTERVIEW PANEL, UH, RECOMMENDS THE APPOINTMENT OF LEE KROMER TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR A TERM REMAINING DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
THE APPROPRIATE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, MS. KROMER WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT FOR THIS CURRENT VACANCY AND, UM, SHE ALSO PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE CITY'S ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.
SO, UH, WITH THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR APPROVAL OF A MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT ON MONDAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY.
AND, UH, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
UH, SO, UH, SHOULD I MENTION WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE? I, I CAN JUST READ 'EM OUT.
THERE'S FOUR, IT'S GONNA BE A, A BUNCH OF WORDS.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD, OKAY, SO WE HAVE FOUR REASONS FOR GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST IS TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.
NUMBER TWO, TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID.
THE THIRD IS TO CONSIDER UNDER A HIGH REVISED CODE 1 21 0.22 G FIVE TRADE SECRETS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN LEASES FOR THE FORMER C R DAYTON PROPERTY, WHICH ARE CONFIDENTIAL AS TRADE SECRETS UNDER OHIO REVISED CODE 1 3 3 3 0.61.
AND THE FOURTH REASON IS TO CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MARKETING PLANS, SPECIFIC BUSINESS STRATEGY, PRODUCTION TECHNIQUES, TRADE SECRETS OR PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF AN APPLICANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE OR TO NEGOTIATIONS WITH OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS, RESPECTING REQUESTS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE WHERE THE INFORMATION IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO A REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE THAT IS TO BE PROVIDED OR ADMINISTERED UNDER ANY PROVISION OF THE HIGH REVISED CODE CHAPTERS AND SECTIONS SET FORTH IN A HIGHER REVISED CODE.
AND THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE APPLICANT OR THE POSSIBLE INVESTMENT OR EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO BE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
IS THERE A MOTION, DON? SO ANITA, SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ROLL CALL? OKAY.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION SEVEN TO ZERO.
AS USUAL, ONCE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS OVER, UH, WE WILL COME OUT AND ANNOUNCE WHETHER OR NOT ANY SPECIFIC DECISIONS, UH, WERE MADE.
IT IS NOW EIGHT 50 AND WE ARE MOVING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO, UH, MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, ONE WILL BE EXECUTING A LEASE FOR 60 15 BRAND PIKE OR THE LEGISLATION WE BROUGHT FORWARD.
AND THE NEXT WILL BE LEGISLATION BROUGHT FORWARD TO PURCHASE, UH, PROPERTY AT SIXTY FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR TWENTY FIVE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
IT IS NOW 9 0 5, ALMOST 9 0 6,
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AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.