Mar 27, 2023 Council Work Session

WHICH IS A BULLETPROOF VEST GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH OUR POLICE DIVISION.

WE'LL, UH, HAVE YOUR REPORT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B,

[ Bulletproof Vest Grant Application - Police Division]

AND WE HAVE CHIEF LIGHT HERE THIS EVENING.

CHIEF, I, GOOD EVENING.

SO, THIS LEGISLATION IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS EVERY YEAR TO ALLOW THE, UH, POLICE DIVISION TO RECEIVE A 50% REIMBURSEMENT FOR OUR NEW BALLISTIC VESTS, THE, UH, BALLISTIC VESTS THAT OUR OFFICERS WEAR ON A, UH, FIVE YEAR ROTATION.

AND, UH, EVERY YEAR WE GET A 50% GRANT REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH THE, UH, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THE ASK IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE REIMBURSEMENT OF 50% OF THE VESTS WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR.

THANKS, CHIEF.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR CHIEF LE OR CITY MANAGER? NEXT QUESTION.

JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, ARE THERE ANY ENHANCEMENTS THAT COME WITH THE UPGRADES? ANY ENHANCEMENTS? THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THE VEST.

SHOULD WE GET THE, THE TOP LEVEL WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, UH, SHIELD IN IT FOR THE KNIFE? THE SHARP EDGED OBJECT SHIELD, BUT YEAH, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS YOU CAN GET, BUT WE GET THE TOP LEVEL.

BUT WE ALWAYS GET THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.

OH, YEAH.

YEP.

IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO, UH, OUR MEETING LATER.

IS COMMUNITY GARAGE SALES.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH

[ Community Garage Sales]

BRIAN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND THE DATES.

YES, MR. MAYOR, UH, IN RESPONSE TO, UH, CITIZEN'S REQUEST, UH, AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS WORK SESSION AND THEN DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, UH, STAFF IS PREPARED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD AMEND THE, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY GARAGE SALE TO, I BELIEVE IT IS THE SECOND WEEKEND, UH, OF JUNE AND SEPTEMBER ANNUALLY, UH, TO MOVE THE CONFLICT AWAY FROM THE, UH, MIRACLE FESTIVAL.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, COUNCIL ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION AT THE, UH, UPCOMING, UH, COUNCIL MEETING LATER THIS EVENING, SECOND WEEK OF JUNE AND SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

YES, SIR.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO THOSE REVISED DATES? NO.

D, WHICH IS THE NATURE WORKS GRANT FOR THOMAS CLOUD PARK.

WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO THE MEETING.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ NatureWorks Grant - Thomas Cloud Park]

RIGHT? UH, YES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, IF COUNCIL WILL RECALL, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, THIS CITY, UH, WAS BROUGHT INTO A SITUATION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY DUE WEST OF TOM CLOUD PARK, UH, WITH, UH, ACTUALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITIES OF, UH, DAYTON AND RIVERSIDE.

UH, AND THERE WAS A SMALL PORTION OF THAT PROJECT, UH, PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, WITH ACCESS, UH, COMING ONLY FROM, UH, FROM HUBER HEIGHTS.

UH, AND AS A, AS A RESPONSE TO CITIZEN FEEDBACK AND A DISCUSSION WITH BOTH THOSE COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE CITY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE SEVERAL ACRES, UH, OF, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE WEST TO EXPAND TOM CLOUD PARK.

UH, IT'S A FIVE YEAR PURCHASE AGREEMENT, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO ALLOW THE CITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR, UH, SEVERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY BEARS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF COST FOR THAT PURCHASE.

UH, THIS GRANT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGREEMENT, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION AT THE BUSINESS MEETING LATER TONIGHT.

THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE REGARDING THIS GRANT? ANY OBJECTIONS?

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ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS OUR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

NEXT IS

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

BRIAN? UH, YES, MR. MAYOR.

UH, THIS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION IS ASSOCIATED WITH A COUPLE OF, UH, DIFFERENT PROJECTS, EXCUSE ME.

AND OF COURSE, AS I'M TRYING TO OPEN UP THAT TAB, IT INSTEAD IS PULLED UP, UH, MY EMAIL, SO MY APOLOGIES.

BUT LET ME, UH, LET ME PULL UP THIS APPROPRIATION.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR APPROPRIATION, UH, AS I SAID, IS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT THE CITY'S WORKING TOWARDS, UH, TO ADVANCE.

UH, AND IT INVOLVES, UM, SEVERAL ITEMS. THE, UM, IN PARTICULAR, UH, STAFF WOULD, UH, ASK THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UM, UH, UH, MOVE THIS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO A SECOND READING, UM, RATHER THAN ADOPT AT, UH, TONIGHT'S BUSINESS MEETING.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST IS THAT, UH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, HAVE POSED QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE CORRELATING AGENDA ITEMS. AND SO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF COUNSEL'S CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED, OR I SHOULD SAY ALL OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS ITEM BE AGAIN, DELAYED FOR, UH, ONE MORE MEETING, UH, TO GIVE STAFF AMPLE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS RATHER THAN TRY TO, UH, COMPRESS EVERYTHING INTO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO A SECOND? READING? OKAY.

SEEING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO, WOULD BE OUR FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

APRIL 10TH.

APRIL 10TH, OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ 2023 Street Program - Award Contracts]

THREE F, WHICH IS THE 2023 STREET PROGRAM AND AWARDING THOSE CONTRACTS, RUSS? UH, YES.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR THE STREET PROGRAM FOR THIS YEAR.

UH, THE BIDDING CONSISTED OF, UH, TWO SECTIONS, UH, A AND B, AND THE BID TABULATION IS IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, SECTION A WAS FOR THE MILLION PAVING OF 21 DIFFERENT STREETS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UH, AND THIS COMES TO A LITTLE OVER FIVE MILES OF STREETS.

AND, UH, NONE OF THE STREETS THAT WERE, UH, PLACED IN THIS PROGRAM WILL BE PART OF ANY WATER MAIN REPLACEMENTS IN THE FUTURE, NEAR FUTURE ANYWAYS, UM, THERE WERE ONLY TWO BIDDERS ON THE SECTION ONE, WHICH IS BARRETT PAVING AND JOHN R JERGENSEN.

AND THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO LARGER PAVING COMPANIES LEFT IN THE DAYTON AREA.

UH, THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THIS SECTION WAS JOHN R JERGENSON HAS $1,290,342, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO AWARD THE PROJECT TO THEM.

UH, BARRETT PAVING CAME IN AT A LITTLE OVER $111,000 HIGHER THAN JERGENSON.

UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS PROJECT IS 1,000,400.

OH YEAH.

$101,420,000.

UM, THIS YEAR, THE ASPHALT PRICES INCREASED ALMOST AS MUCH AS LAST YEAR UP TO ABOUT 20% HIGHER THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR.

UM, SECTION B OF THIS IS, UH, FOR THE APPLYING OF RECITE ON FEW OF THE MINOR ROADS IN THE CUL-DE-SACS WITHIN THE PROGRAM.

UH, THE ONLY BIDDER ON THAT WAS PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGY AT A BID PRICE OF $25,311.

AND THIS IS WITH A NOT TO EXCEED OF $28,000.

SO WE'D LIKE TO AWARD, UH, SECTION B TO THAT COMPANY.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THIS LEGISLATION, UH, WE AWARD INSPECTION SERVICES, UH, OF THE PAVING TO BOWSER MOURNER, UH, WITH A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $15,000.

AND WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR, AND THEY DO THE INSPECTIONS FOR US ON THE TABLE.

UM, THIS PROGRAM IS FUNDED THROUGH THE STREET IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE TAX LEVY AND THROUGH GAS TAX FUNDS.

SO ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO RASHTA, WHAT I'M SEEING IS IN THE, UH, LEGISLATION, THE MILLION 4 63, THAT'S THE NOT TO EXCEED FOR EVERYTHING COMBINED.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT WAS IT? THE COST, THE LOOKS LIKE IN THE, UH, LEGISLATION.

IN THE LEGISLATION, OR AT LEAST ON THE, THE FISCAL IMPACT IN THE PART OF THE PACKET SHOWS 1,000,004 63.

SO I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT IS THE NOT TO EXCEED OF, OF SECTION A, WHICH IS THE, UM, BECAUSE SECTION A YOU HAD 1,000,290, THE NOT TO EXCEED A 1 4 20, AND THEN A NOT TO EXCEED OF 28,000.

SO THAT'D BE LIKE ONE THAT'S A COMBINATION.

SO I'M JUST YEAH, THAT'S THE COMBINED, YES, THE COMBINED TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED IN THE, OKAY.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR US? WHAT'S RECL MINE? RECLA MINE IS, UH, ADDITIVE THAT'S USED AFTER IT'S PAVED AND IT BINDS THE CONCRETE OR THE ASPHALT, UH, AND IT'S KIND OF SEALS IT ALL.

IT'S KINDA LIKE PUTTING THE SEAL ON THE CRACKS AND THINGS MM-HMM.

, BUT THIS IS DONE TO THE WHOLE PAVEMENT RIGHT AFTER THE, WITHIN ABOUT A MONTH AFTER THE PAVING COMPANY COMES IN AND DOES THAT.

WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW, AND IT, IT PROLONGS THE LIFE OF THE ASPHALT AT LEAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS IS WHAT WE'VE FOUND.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

BUT IF YOU USE IT ON, UM, UH, STREETS THAT, UH, HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T LAST AS LONG.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED.

THANK YOU, DON.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

ROUGHS ARE THE, UM, SECTION A AND SECTION B GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE, UH, AT THE SAME TIME? UH,

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SECTION A WOULD BE THE MILL AND PAVING PROBABLY IN THE, UH, EARLY FALL.

AND THEN, UH, THE RECITE, WHICH IS SECTION B, COMES ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, A MONTH OR SO AFTERWARDS.

THANKS, EXON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS MOVING THIS ON TO THE MEETING? LEAVE CASING? NONE.

THE NEXT IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE 2023 SIDEWALK PROGRAM, AND THEN THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE 2023 STREET PROGRAM AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, RUSS? YEAH, THIS, UH, THIS BIDDING CONSISTED OF THREE SECTIONS, A, B, AND C, AND THE BIB TABULATION IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.

AND

[ 2023 Sidewalk Program And Concrete Portion Of 2023 Street Program - Award Contracts]

A WAS FOR THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WHICH IS REPLACING SIDEWALKS AND DRIVE APPROACHES IN THE AREAS OF THE PROGRAM THAT WERE ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR.

UM, BUT WERE NOT REPLACED BY THE RESIDENTS.

WE GIVE THE CHANCE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO DO IT THEMSELVES BY THE END OF LAST YEAR.

AND FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T, UH, THIS, WE BID THE REST OF IT OUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

UH, WE HAD TWO BIDDERS ON THE PROJECT.

UM, COBURNS CONCRETE WAS THE LOWEST AT 101,435.

UH, THEY ARE A FAIRLY NEW COMPANY, BUT THEY HAVE HAD SOME REFERENCES THAT HAVE CHECKED OUT FOR US, SO WE'D LIKE TO DO A NOT TO EXCEED OF 112,000 ON THAT.

AND THEN SECTION B IS JUST VERY SMALL.

IT'S JUST LEVELING OF SOME OF THE SIDEWALK WHERE WE HAVE AREAS THAT, UH, AT A JOINT ONE'S HIGHER AS A TRIP HAZARDS.

AND INSTEAD OF REPLACING A GOOD PIECE OF CONCRETE, WE JUST HAVE THIS COMPANY COME IN AND DO ALL THE LEVELING OF WHERE WE'RE IN THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE.

UM, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE, UM, SORRY.

YEAH, TRIP TRIP HAZARDS, THEY LEVELED FOR US.

GOTCHA.

SO, AND THAT CAME IN, UH, AT $2,160.

AND THE THIRD SECTION IS FOR THE CURB REPLACEMENT.

UM, THIS IS FOR BAD CURBING ON THE STREETS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE PAVING, UH, PROJECT.

UH, THERE WAS ONLY ONE BIDDER ON THIS SECTION.

IT WAS MULTITASK CONSTRUCTION AT $829,525.

AND MULTITASK HAS DONE THIS PROGRAM MANY TIMES IN THE PAST AND HAS ALWAYS DONE A GOOD JOB FOR US.

SO WE HAVE A NINE TO EXCEED OF 913,000 ON THAT.

UM, AND THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH THE CAPITAL FUND AND THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE, OH, THE, THE SIDE CURBING PORT PORTION IS FUNDED THROUGH THE STREET CAPITAL STORM AND GAS TAX FUNDS.

THANKS, RUSS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ECHO? YES, NANCY.

UH, RUSS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, UH, SIDEWALK OR OR CONCRETE LEVELING, DO WE CONSIDER, UH, ANY POLY LIFTING? ANY WHAT? POLY, POLY FILL LIFTING.

OH, YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT? NO.

BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A LONGER LIFE.

I JUST HAD MY DRIVEWAY DONE THAT WAY.

UH, IT HAD GOTTEN DOWN EVEN.

AND, UM, THE GRINDING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHERE THEY GRIND THE CONCRETE? NO, NO.

THEY LIFT IT, THEY LIFT IT JUST WITH, UH, A ONE DOES IT, UM, WITH A SLUDGE UNDERNEATH TO LIFT IT.

THEY DRILL A COUPLE HOLES AND THEN THEY FILL IT AND LIFT IT UP.

WELL, BUT OVER TIME, THAT BREAKS DOWN AGAIN.

BUT IF YOU'VE USED THE POLYFILL, IT, IT, WHEN THEY DRILL THE HOLES MM-HMM.

, IT KIND OF OO, OOZES OUT.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S COOL.

IT, I MEAN, IT OOZES OUT IN THE BUBBLES AND THEN IT HARDENS AND THEN THEY SCRAPE IT OFF.

IT'S LIKE, UH, WHEN YOU USE THE INSULATING FOAM, THAT'S THE SAME WAY IT WORKS.

PERFECT.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

YEAH, I THINK I'VE HEARD OF THAT BEFORE ON CONCRETE WALLS.

THEY'VE USED THAT BEFORE FOR CRACK, UHHUH CRACK FILLING.

RIGHT.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR NEXT YEAR.

I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE OF IT, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT UP.

NO, WE ONLY USED IT FOR SIDEWALKS.

DONE.

YOURAM.

UH, REST, JUST FOR INFORMATION.

A ONE DOES BOTH.

THEY DO THE POLY AND THE, THE CONCRETE, AND USUALLY IT WILL, THEY'LL DETERMINE, UM, WHAT IS REQUIRED THERE AND THEY CAN USE EITHER OR.

I'LL FIND OUT CUZ MAYBE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

MM-HMM.

THE 2023 REHABILITATION OF THE SEWER LINES PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT FOR RUSS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ITEM THREE G? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON CASING? NONE.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS

[ 2023 Rehabilitation of Sewer Lines Project - Award Contract]

UH, TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF THE SEWER.

UH, THIS, UH, LEGISLATION AUTHORIZED AWARD TO, INTO A CONTRACT WITH UNITED SURVEY INCORPORATED FOR THE LINING OF THE EXISTING SEWERS.

UM, THIS SANITARY SLIP LINING WILL BE INSTALLED ON DIFFERENT SPANS OF THE OLD CLAY SANITARY SEWER IN THE SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN TELEVISED BY TRI-CITIES, UH, AUTHORITY, THEIR CAMERA CREW.

UH, AND THESE PIPES WERE RATED THE WORST AS FAR AS CRACKS OR MISALIGNED JOINTS OR PARTIALLY COLLAPSED PIPE.

UH, THE TOTAL LENGTH OF PIPE BEING LINED IS 7,302 LINEAR FEET.

UH, AND THIS PROCESS OF LINING HAS BEEN USED TO THE CITY.

WE'VE DONE IT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SIX TIMES IN THE PAST.

I THINK IT'S BEEN MARKED BEFORE I GOT HERE.

BUT, UH, IT HAS WORKED WELL,

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WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY LINED.

UM, WE HAD A BID OPENING ON FEBRUARY 24TH.

THERE WERE FIVE CONTRACTORS THAT SUBMITTED BIDS.

AND, UH, UNITED SURVEY, AS I SAID, WAS THE LOWEST AND BEST WITH A BID OF $335,160 WITH 150 CALENDAR DAYS TO COMPLETE THE WORK.

UH, NOT THE EXCEED AMOUNT IS 350,000.

UH, UNITED SURVEY HAS PERFORMED THE SEWER LINING PROJECT IN THE CITY, BUT IT WAS IN 2005.

UH, BUT LATELY THEY'VE BEEN WORKING AT TIP CITY IN VANDALIA, AND, UH, THEY'VE ALL GIVEN GOOD REFERENCES FOR THIS COMPANY.

SO, UH, THIS IS ALL FUNDED THROUGH THE SANITARY SEWER CAPITAL FUND.

I, WHICH IS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Water Infrastructure Update]

RUSS, UH, YEAH, I THINK IN YOUR PACKET, UH, TONY INCLUDED, UH, THE LATEST, UM, SCHEDULE I GUESS WE HAVE FOR THOSE THREE PROJECT, THE MARDI GRAS PROJECT, UH, WATER MAIN, A 2022 WATER MAIN PROJECT AND THE 2023 WATER MAIN PROJECT.

AND, UH, THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT CHANGED.

UM, THE MARDI GRAS IS FINISHED EXCEPT FOR THE PAVING.

WE'RE WAITING APRIL, I THINK, IS THE ASPHALT PLANTS OPEN.

SOMETIME IN APRIL, THEY'LL BE OUT TO PAVE IT.

AND, UH, I THINK THE, THE, THE 2022 PROGRAM, WHICH THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO GETTING ALL THE WATER MAIN IN ON THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT PROJECT OUT OF THE FOUR PHASES.

AND, UH, I THINK I MAY HAVE CHANGED THE ONE MONTH ON THIS ONE TO SEPTEMBER AT THE, AS THE END OF THE PROJECT AND, UH, THE 2023, THERE WAS JUST SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN IT BASED OFF, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S WERE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS GONNA CHANGE AT THAT POINT.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER WE WERE GONNA DO MONTHLY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

IT CHANGED THE CALENDAR A LITTLE BIT.

SO THAT'S ALL THE CHANGES THERE ON THAT ONE.

WE'RE STILL SCHEDULED TO START, UM, UH, LIKE SEPTEMBER AREA.

AS THE SA THE PIPE DELIVERY OF 9 1 23.

BEGAN CONSTRUCTION, SAME DATE.

YEP.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR RUSS REGARDING THE SPREADSHEET OR THE UPDATE? ED? YES, RUSS, SINCE WE HAVEN'T SENT OUT AN RFP YET, WHEN ARE WE EXPECTING THAT? UH, I HAD TWO COMPANIES DESIGNING THE PIPE.

THE FIRST ONE OF 'EM DONE.

THE OTHER ONE IS GETTING FINAL DRAWINGS.

UM, I'D PROBABLY, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL YET TO GO OUT TO BID ON THAT.

PROBABLY END OF NEXT MONTH.

I'LL TAKE IT.

I'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THIS IS AN UPDATE.

SO THERE'S NO ACTION NEEDED ON THIS ITEM, CORRECT? CORRECT.

G, WHICH IS THE EAST SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ East Sanitary Sewer Extension Project - Award Contract]

BRIAN? UH, YES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO ADDRESS THE SANITARY SEWER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT, UH, FOR THE EAST PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY.

UH, IF COUNSEL WILL RECALL, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO, UH, LAY A MAIN, UH, THAT WOULD CONNECT WHAT IS THE CENTER POINT 70 AREA, UH, TO, UH, WHAT IS THE FAIRBORNE TREATMENT PLANT, UH, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY.

UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PROJECT WOULD RUN ROUGHLY PARALLEL TO, UM, ROUTE FOUR, UH, ALL ALONG THE, UH, NEW CARLISLE PIKE, UH, DOWN THE NEW CARLISLE PIKE, AND, UH, TAP INTO AN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, CENTER 0.7 IS CURRENTLY SERVED BY CLARK COUNTY.

AND, UH, THIS WOULD MOVE OUR ULTIMATE SERVICE PROVIDER AGAIN, TO THE CITY OF FAIRBORNE.

UH, THIS PROJECT, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BID, WAS, UH, PRE, UH, WHEN WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE ORIGINAL ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS, UH, WAS COSTED PRIOR TO THE INFLATIONARY EFFECTS OF COVID.

UH, AND THE PROJECT CAME IN ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET.

THERE IS, UH, SUFFICIENT FUNDS WITHIN THE SEWER FUND TO PROVIDE FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, COST OVERRUN.

UH, BUT THOSE FUNDS ARE ASSOCIATED TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION THAT WAS LISTED ON, UH, COUNCIL'S AGENDA TONIGHT AS ITEM E.

KNOWING THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, UH, WHILE IT IS STILL, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMEND, IT WOULD BE, EXCUSE ME, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS MATTER BE, UH, UH, HELD FOR A SECOND READING, UH, AND BE MOVED TO WHAT IS THE APRIL 10TH BUSINESS MEETING SO THAT STAFF CAN HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ANSWER ALL OF COUNSEL'S QUESTIONS BEFORE, UH, THIS MATTER IS VOTED ON.

THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION, SIR.

THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION OF MOVING US TO

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THE APRIL 10TH BUSINESS MEETING FOR ANOTHER MEETING? OKAY, SAME OBJECTIONS.

MOVE THIS ON TO APRIL THE 10TH.

NEXT WILL BE ITEM THREE K,

[ Water Main Replacement Projects - Engineering Design - Solicit Bids]

WHICH IS THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS ENGINEERING DESIGN.

THEN SOLICITING THOSE BITS.

BRIAN? UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, AGAIN, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM RELATES BACK TO ITEM E, UH, ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE STEMS FROM THE TOWN HALL COUNCIL WORK SESSION EVENT, UH, OR LATE THIS MONTH WHERE, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT, UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY BECOMING PROACTIVE, UH, IN ADDRESSING FUTURE WATER MAIN REPAIRS AND BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE REPAIRS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN SO THAT WE CAN THEN DOVETAIL INTO THOSE REPAIRS, UH, OTHER CAPITAL INVESTMENT EFFORTS SUCH AS THE STREET, UM, THE ANNUAL STREET REPAIR PROGRAM.

BASED ON THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND HOW THOSE RELATE TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, UH, WE WOULD AGAIN, ASK THAT COUNCIL, MOVE THIS ITEM TO A SECOND READING, ACTING ON IT, UH, AT THE APRIL 10 MEETING SO THAT STAFF HAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS ALL OF COUNCIL CONCERNS IN ADVANCE OF, UH, A VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO A SECOND READING ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, NEXT SAYS ITEM

[ Ongoing Water Main Replacement Program Schedule]

THREE L, WHICH IS THE ONGOING WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM SCHEDULE.

UH, NOT TO REPEAT MYSELF, BUT, UH, RELATED TO, UH, E AND K, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN MOVING, UH, THESE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS TO 18 MONTH CYCLES, WHICH IS ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD IT TAKES TO, UH, ENGINEER BID AND CONSTRUCT THESE ITEMS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS COMPRESSED THEM INTO, UH, A 12 MONTH CYCLE, WHICH IS, I THINK, CAUSING CONFUSION FOR, UH, FOR STAFF, FOR COUNSEL, FOR CITIZENS.

SO, AS A RESULT, BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED FOR THE DELAY ON ITEMS L AND ITEMS E, WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS ITEM ALSO DOVETAIL, UH, WITH THOSE TWO AND MOVE TO A SECOND READING.

I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON, UH, ON, ON WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS INTENDED TO DO, BUT, UH, TO ENACT IT NOW WHILE THE OTHER TWO KEY PIECES OF LEGISLATION STILL, UH, SIT, UH, UH, ENABLING STAFF TO ADDRESS OUTSTANDING CONCERNS, UH, IT SEEMS, UM, OUT OF ORDER, I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. AND AS SUCH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL DELAY THIS AS WELL FOR A SECOND READING, UH, FOR ADOPTION WITH THOSE OTHER PREVIOUS ITEMS ON APRIL 10TH.

BRIAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED THE, IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAM SCHEDULE, SO THIS LEGISLATION TALKS ABOUT THE 18 MONTH CYCLES.

I JUST WANNA VERIFY WE TALKED ABOUT 6 MILLION AND THEY'RE NOT TO EXCEED OF 1 MILLION FOR THE ENGINEERING.

IS THAT ALL WRAPPED UP IN THE SAME PIECE OF LEGISLATION, OR ARE WE GONNA SEE DIFFERENT, IS THIS OTHER? YEAH, SO SOMEWHERE ELSE HERE ON THE, ON THE AGENDA THAT I'M, YEAH, SO ITEM L WOULD BE THE, THE, THE E ENGINEERING.

SO THE 6 MILLION AND THE 1 MILLION IS ALL PART OF ITEM K AND THE SCHEDULE JUST RELATES TO THE 18TH MONTH CYCLES VERSUS 12 MONTHS? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, MR. MAYOR.

M, WHICH IS THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING UPDATE.

JUST MAKE SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS TO THIS ON TO APRIL TENTH'S BUSINESS MEETING? OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Fire Division Staffing Update]

BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST, WE'VE INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET, UH, A, UH, CHART, WHICH DEMONSTRATES OUR PROGRESS TO DATE, UH, TO ENSURE, UH, 42 FIREFIGHTERS.

YOU WILL NOTE THAT, UH, OF THE 42 POSITIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, PURSUANT TO APPROVE STAFFING LEVELS AND, UH, BUDGETED LEVELS, UH, ALL 42 POSITIONS ARE SPOKEN FOR, AND THE FINAL THREE CANDIDATES ARE IN SOME CONDITION OF FINAL ONBOARDING, UH, AND WE CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THEM, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

SO, AS OF MARCH 3RD, 2023, THERE ARE 42 OF 42 POSITIONS OR OFFER WORKING AND OFFERS ME, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

ESTIMATED, UH, TIME TO, UH, FOR THEIR START DATE? I DO NOT, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEP.

BRIAN, UM, WHAT'S, UH, SINCE IT'S MARCH 3RD, WHAT'S THE HOLD UP FOR THE TWO BE DETERMINED FOR THE START DATE? UH, WELL, AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR CANDIDATE ONE FROM THE MARCH 3RD LIST, UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION AND WE ARE STILL WAITING ON, UH, THE PHYSICAL EXAMINATION.

UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, CANDIDATE ONE WHO HAS COMPLETED, UH, THEIR FINGERPRINT REQUIREMENTS, AND WE ARE WAITING ON, UH, THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FROM BCI IN THE FBI CANDIDATE TWO.

UM, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THEM, UH, TO SCHEDULE AND COMPLETE BOTH THEIR PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND, THEIR PHYSICAL BACKGROUND, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR FINGERPRINTS, UH, ARE ADDRESSED.

AND THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR THE THIRD CANDIDATE.

SO I'M GUESSING YOU DON'T HAVE AN

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UM, AND JUDGING BY THIS SPREADSHEET, UM, ALL OF THE CANDIDATES ON THE TOP, UH, ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THEN ONE THROUGH 12 ARE SPOKEN FOR, UH, THEY'VE EITHER BEEN HIRED OR HAVE BACKED OUT OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT IS CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.

SO THEN THESE THREE, UH, SO WHEN'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GONNA START THE NEXT LIST? SO WE HAVE, UM, FIVE OTHER CANDIDATES ON THE MARCH 3RD, 2023, UH, ELIGIBILITY LIST.

SO THERE WERE TOTAL OF EIGHT CANDIDATES WHO MET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH CANDIDATES, ONE, TWO, OR THREE, THERE REMAIN FIVE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES ON THAT LIST, WHO, UH, WE CAN WORK WITH TO ADVANCE, TO COMPLETE OUR, UH, OBJECTIVE OF 42 FIREFIGHTERS.

SO THERE'S FIVE, UH, CANDIDATES THAT ARE NOT SHOWING UP ON THIS LIST? THAT IS CORRECT.

BDP 23 DASH OH TWO METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS FOR REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 68 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU.

NEXT IS I'M THREE N, WHICH IS CASE

[ Case BDP 23-02 - Metropolitan Holdings - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 6801 Executive Boulevard]

AARON, UM, EXCUSE ME.

UM, SO IT IS A REZONING AND, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD FOR A SECOND READING ON, UH, APRIL 10TH IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

UM, BUT IN, UM, CONSIDERATION OF TIME, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE PRESENTATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE REQUEST IS A SECOND READING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, AND YOU ARE GONNA DO ONE PRESENTATION.

SO, UH, YEAH, ONE PRESENTATION AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING, UM, AND THEN THE FIRST READING, AND WE CAN MOVE THE SECOND READING TO THE, THE FIRST APRIL, APRIL 10TH.

WHICH IS CASE ZC 23 DASH OH SIX, WHICH IS THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

CORRECT.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

SING NONE EX UP AS ITEM THREE OH,

[ Case ZC 23-06 - 2023 Comprehensive Plan]

AND AARON, YES.

UM, UM, SAME PROCESS, UH, IN CONSIDERATION TIME, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST MAKE ONE PRESENTATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? OKAY.

SO WE'LL SEE BOTH PRESENTATIONS AT THE MEETING ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NEXT IT, ITEM THREE P, HORIZON

[ Horizon Line - Development Agreement Amendment]

LINE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT.

BRIAN? UH, YES.

UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I, THE CITY COUNCIL'S AWARE, UH, THE CITY HAD NEGOTIATED, UH, TERMS AND CONDITIONS WITH, UH, HORIZON LINE, UH, FOR, UH, WE'LL CALL IT AN EXPANDED PROJECT AT THE LAYMAN FARM, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRAND, UH, DIRECTLY NORTH OF MEYER.

UH, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THAT, UH, AGREEMENT WITH HORIZON LINE, UH, HORIZON LINE HAS BROUGHT ON BOARD A, UH, DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WITH THEM, RM H UH, WHO, UH, SPECIALIZES IN THE HIGHER DENSITY APARTMENTS THAT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR DEAL, UH, OR OF THAT PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO, UM, MEET ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE, UM, CLOSING FOR THAT TRANSACTION TO GO FORWARD.

UH, RMH, UH, THROUGH HORIZON LINE, UH, HAS REQUESTED THAT THE CITY, UM, ADOPTED AMENDMENT TO EXTEND SOME DEADLINES AND SOME TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT.

UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST.

AND AS A RESULT, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, UH, MOVE THIS ITEM TO A SECOND READING, UH, AT THE APRIL 10 MEETING SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH COUNSEL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THAT WE HAVE TIME TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS MATTER, UH, IF THAT'S NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM BRIAN OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO THE NEXT BUSINESS MEETING ON APRIL 10TH? ANYTHING? NONE ON EITHER.

WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO APRIL THE 10TH.

THE NEXT SAYS

[ Dial Park - Concept Planning]

ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS, UH, DIAL PARK.

IT'S CONCEPT PLANNING.

BRIAN, THANK YOU.

UH, IT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT, UH, STAFF BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION, UH, TO OUTLINE, UH, SOME CONCEPTUAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO IMPROVEMENTS.

EXCUSE ME.

IT WAS REQUESTED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT STAFF BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, OVER AT DIAL PARK, UH, IN PREPARING THAT LEGISLATION AND ASSEMBLING THAT FOR, UH, TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION AT TONIGHT'S BUSINESS MEETING, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT, UH, SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE LEGISLATION, UH, WHILE ACCURATE, WERE NOT AS INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE REQUESTS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN MADE BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO,

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UH, RATHER THAN TRY AND DEBATE THE MATTER AND, AND AGEN AMEND THE EXISTING LEGISLATION TONIGHT, UH, ON THE AGENDA, UH, IT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, WE CONNECT WITH THOSE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO POINTED OUT, UH, THOSE, UH, ITEMS DEFICIENCIES, UH, UPDATE THAT LEGISLATION AND BRING THAT BACK FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, UH, AT THE APRIL FOUR AND APRIL 10, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE WORK SESSION IN, UH, THE BUSINESS MEETING.

SO THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UH, BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS FOR BRIAN? OKAY.

SEEING NONE.

SO WE'LL EXPECT TO SEE THAT BACK ON APRIL 10TH AS WELL.

SO WE'RE LOADING THAT MEETING UP.

SHOULD BE FUNNY.

NEXT UP IS IEM THREE R LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER

[ Liquor Permit #13176630420 - Cassanos - 6315 Brandt Pike]

1 31 76, 6 34 20.

THIS IS FOR THE, UH, LOOKS AT THE NEW CASSANO'S LOCATION.

IT'S 63 15 BRENT PIKE.

UH, THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.

THIS IS A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT.

IT'S A D ONE PERMIT FOR THE CASSANO'S THAT'S RELOCATING UP BRENT PIKE, UH, TO THE NEW LOCATION.

UH, THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS WITH NO OBJECTIONS AND WITH THE COUNSEL'S APPROVAL.

WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR APPROVAL OF THE MOTION ON THIS ISSUE TONIGHT AT THE LATER MEETING.

THANKS, TONY.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ATTORNEY REGARDING THIS LIQUOR PERMIT APPLICATION FOR KASS? NOTHING.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON JUST TO, UH, TO THE LATER MEETING.

S, WHICH IS BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS FOR A PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, REAPPOINTMENT AND FOR THE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD OF FIRST APPOINTMENT, TONY.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Board And Commission Appointments * Parks And Recreation Board - Reappointment]

ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENT.

UH, SO THE FIRST IS A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, UH, VINCENT KING, UH, WHOSE TERM IS EXPIRING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, UM, IS SEEKING A NEW TERM.

UH, WE HAVE UPDATED MR. KING'S BACKGROUND CHECK, AND THERE WAS NOTHING OF CONCERN.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO APPROVE A MOTION LATER THIS EVENING FOR THAT REAPPOINTMENT.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT REAPPOINTMENT FOR MR. KING? OKAY.

AND NEXT, THE SU UH, WATER AND SEWER

[ * Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board - Appointment]

UH, YES, THIS IS A NEW APPOINTMENT.

UH, MR. MICHAEL MULLIN TO THE CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY, UH, BOARD FOR A TERM REMAINING JANUARY 1ST, 2026.

UM, LIKEWISE, THE BACKGROUND CHECK WAS COMPLETE ON MR. MULLIN, UH, THROUGH HUMAN RESOURCES.

UM, HE WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT FOR THE CURRENT VACANCY ON THE WATER AND SEWER BOARD, AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL TO MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT.

SO, AGAIN, I WOULD ASK COUNSEL'S INDULGENCE IN, UH, PROVING THAT MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT THIS EVENING.

THANKS, TONY.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL SEE THAT AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE T,

[ City Manager Search Process]

WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS TODAY.

UM, WHEN WE PUT THIS INITIAL REQUEST BACK OUT, UM, FOR THE PROCESS, UM, THERE WAS SOME ITEMS UPDATED WITHIN THAT ORIGINAL BROCHURE, SOME, SOME CITY DATA, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE TIMES AND UPDATES AS FAR AS, UH, RESTARTING THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.

UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE AT BAKER TILLEY, PATTY HEOVER, AND, UM, WHAT SHE'S OUTLINED IS, UM, THEY'RE PREPARED IF WE GIVE THEM THE GO AHEAD TO PULL THE TRIGGER TO RESTART THE PROCESS.

UM, TENTATIVELY THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND, UH, DOING SO, UH, EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST.

THEY CAN BEGIN, UH, ON THAT DATE, PUTTING UP ALL OF THE, UH, POSTINGS AND, UH, RECRUITMENT, UM, ADVERTISING, UH, TO SEEK SOME APPLICANTS FOR THAT POSITION.

UM, SHE'S PROJECTED A TIMELINE ONCE THAT, UM, THAT RECRUITMENT EFFORT IS INITIATED, THAT IT WOULD BE ABOUT 60 DAYS THROUGH ALL THE STEPS OF RECRUITMENT, UH, DOING THE BACKGROUND SCREENINGS ON THE APPLICANTS AND, UM, RATING THEM AND PUTTING THEM IN A, UM, TO SELECT THE FINALISTS FOR INTERVIEWS, UH, WOULD TAKE ABOUT 60 DAYS.

SO THAT WOULD TAKE US, UM, UP TO ABOUT THE 1ST OF JUNE WHEN WE'D BE READY TO CONSIDER, UH, THE APPLICATIONS AND DETERMINE FINALISTS FROM THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED.

SO, UM, WHAT I'M SEEKING AS COUNSEL'S APPROVAL TO GIVE THEM THE GO AHEAD TO, UM, MAKE THAT RECRUITMENT EFFORT BEGIN.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, GIVING CHINA DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND START THIS PROCESS WITH BAKER TILLEY? YES, RICHARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I WAS, I WAS WAITING, I JUST WAS SORRY.

YEAH, HE'S HELD OFF TO THE VERY LAST, THAT'S IN THE CONVERSATION OF THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.

I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SEVERAL MEMOS, UH, MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, UH, REGARDING THE EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE BROCHURE.

UM, TONY, IF MEMORY SEARCH CORRECT,

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UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY UPDATE TO THE EDUCATION PORTION OF THAT? NO, THE ONLY UPDATES WERE THINGS LIKE THE CENSUS POPULATION HAD CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST UPDATE.

UH, FEW THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT WERE JUST KIND OF CORRECTING OR UPDATING INFORMATION.

UH, NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE EDUCATIONAL OR EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS.

UH, IT STAND, OTHERWISE, THE BROCHURE REMAINS THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR THE LAST PROCESS.

COULD YOU, IF, IF YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE, COULD YOU, UM, REFRESH, UM, COUNSEL'S MEMORY OF WHAT, UH, THE BROCHURE HAS AS FAR AS EDUCATION AND, UM, EXPERIENCE? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT, BUT WE HAVE SOME TIME HERE, SO YES.

YOU WANTED TO JUST PAUSE FOR A FEW SECONDS YEP.

MINUTES.

I COULD RETRIEVE THAT WE DO THAT.

I KNOW IT WAS A COMBINATION OF EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE, RIGHT.

BUT WHAT THAT COMBINATION IS, I DON'T, I JUST KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TOUCHED THAT AND I KNOW THAT WAS A, UH, BASIS OF, UH, QUESTION AND CONCERNED, UH, LAST GO AROUND.

SO, UH, I, I THOUGHT WHAT A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT, UH, AND HAVE THOSE ITEMS ADDRESSED.

A MASTER'S DEGREE, YOU VERY WELL MIGHT BE ELIMINATING SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD BOOTS ON THE GROUND WORK EXPERIENCE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THE EDUCATION, BUT HAS THE EXPERIENCE REQUIRED.

SO I WAS STATE IN THE PREVIOUS BROCHURE AND REMAINS THE SAME IN THIS ONE.

UM, IT SAYS THE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE WILL HOLD A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM AN ACCREDITED COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, POLITICAL SCIENCE, BUSINESS MANAGEMENT, OR A CLOSELY RELATED FIELD WITH A MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS PROGRESSIVELY RESPONSIBLE EXPERIENCE AND MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION.

AND A MINIMUM, MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS OF SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE OR AN EQUIVALENT COMBINATION OF EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE OF THE SUCCESSFUL PERFORMANCE OF THE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS OF THE JOB MASTER'S DEGREE FROM AN ACCREDITED COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, BUSINESS FINANCE OR RELATED FIELD AND CREDENTIALED MANAGER THROUGH ICMA IS PREFERRED.

SO I, I GUESS MAYOR WITH THAT DISCUSSION, UM, OR WELL, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, I, I GUESS IT, UH, BE AN OPPORTUNITY TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT UH, NO MEMBERS OF COUNSEL HAVE ANY ISSUES, UH, WITH THAT BROCHURE AND, AND WITH THAT, UH, CURRENT STATED, UM, EDUCATION AND JOB EXPERIENCE BACKGROUND, UH, CUZ I, I DO KNOW, AND FROM THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, THAT WAS A, A SOURCE OF ISSUE LAST GO ROUND.

YEAH, I THINK, SORRY, SORRY, RICHARD.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I THINK THE, UM, YEAH, I THINK THE COMBINA, I, I THINK I'M JUST BEING HONEST, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE OF WHAT CERTAIN COUNCILORS BELIEVED WAS EXPERIENCE COMBINED WITH EDUCATION DIDN'T MEET SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' REQUIREMENT OF EDUCATION ALONG WITH EXPERIENCE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D RECOMMEND CHANGING THAT BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU DO JUST MINI YOU MAKE IT MINIMUM TO SOMEONE WHO HOLDS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE OR SOMEBODY WHO HOLDS

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SO I THINK THIS IS MY OPINION, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY UP TO COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, MY OPINION IS THAT WHAT'S LISTED IS A VERY WIDE ARRAY OF WHAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE UP TO THIS COUNCIL TO, TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT CANDIDATE WHO FITS THE JOB DESCRIPTION BASED ON THE EDUCATION EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENT THAT'S IN THERE.

IF YOU MAKE IT ALL ABOUT EXPERIENCE, YOU MIGHT MISS SOMEONE WHO IS EDUCATED WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE.

IF YOU MAKE IT ALL ABOUT EDUCATION, YOU'RE MISSING SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT THE EXPERIENCE.

I MEAN, I'VE, I KNOW A LOT OF VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED PEOPLE IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT FIELDS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I WANT RUN IN THE CITY.

SO I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO, THIS COUNCIL'S JUST GOING TO HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND AGREE ON THE RIGHT CANDIDATE THAT HAS A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE THINGS.

THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.

BUT CERTAINLY IT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES THAT BROCHURE UC FIT, I NEED IT.

I AGREE THEY NEED SOME EXPERIENCE, BUT I ALSO THINK THEY NEED THE EDUCATION AS WELL.

AND I, I WOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH ANYTHING LESS THAN A BACHELOR'S, BUT PREFERABLY A MASTER'S.

I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.

SO I, I THINK THE, UH, THE WAY THAT READS IT DOES TALK ABOUT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, MASTER'S DEGREE PREFERRED, I THINK, WHICH IS WHAT YOU STATED, BUT THE EDUCA THE, THE JOB EXPERIENCE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE WAY THE BROCHURE IS LISTED, THE JOB EXPERIENCE MAKES UP SOME OF SOMEONE'S LACK OF EDUCATION BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE THEY MAY, THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE SOMEONE MAY HAVE IN THAT ROLE.

IT TALKS ABOUT PROGRESSIVE SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE, SOMEONE WITH ADMINISTRATIVE EXPERIENCE.

A LOT OF THOSE THINGS RELATE TO AND CAN TRANSLATE TO CITY MANAGEMENT.

UM, I MEAN I I I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE COMBINATION, I THINK THE WORDING IS THERE, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT I THINK, UH, ALL THE, THE ITEMS THAT YOU POINT OUT WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION OR THE ITEMS SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT THINK ABOUT, EXPERIENCES, THIS COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK OUT WHEN IT COMES THAT TIME AND BE SUBJECTIVE ABOUT, OR AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.

YES, ED, UH, MAYOR, UH, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE DELICACY IN WHICH YOU'RE HANDLING THIS.

UM, AND UH, BUT WHAT THIS BOILED DOWN TO IN THE LAST PROCESS, WHICH I THINK WAS A SOURCE OF, UH, UNFORTUNATE CONTENTION WAS THAT, UM, IT, IT, SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

AND ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT, OBVIOUSLY MASTER'S DEGREES PREFERRED.

UM, I THINK THE, FOR THIS BROCHURE, I THINK THE WORK EXPERIENCE EQUIVALENT, UM, SHOULD BE DROPPED BECAUSE THEN THAT KIND OF QUESTIONS, HOW MUCH OF THAT IT GOES BELOW THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

UM, NOW WAS, NOW WITH THE 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE, UM, IS THAT CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE AN ADMINISTRATOR, A CITY ADMINISTRATOR, ASSISTANT CITY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION, THAT WOULD BE THAT 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THOSE POSITIONS.

RIGHT.

I THINK THE, THE, THE WORDING I'M LOOKING AT SAYS 10 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE RESPONSIBLE EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE, MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION AND MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION.

SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BEING HIRED AT THE LOWEST LEVEL AND ONLY HAVING MAYBE ONE YEAR EXPERIENCE AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OR CITY MANAGER.

NO, CAUSE IT'S, IT SAYS PROGRESSIVE 10 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE.

SO IF SOMEBODY STARTED IN YEAR ONE AND THEY'RE A LOW LEVEL MANAGER, IF THEY'RE PROGRESSIVELY GAINING MORE EXPERIENCE OVER A 10 YEAR TIME PERIOD AND MANAGEMENT, THAT IS THE WAY I, THAT'S THE WAY I READ THOUGH.

SO 10 YEARS WORKING FOR A CITY, BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO AS A CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS A POSSIBILITY IF THEY'VE PROGRESS, IF THEY'VE PROGRESSIVELY GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.

AND OVER A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS THEY HAVE GAINED MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN MANAGEMENT, MANAGING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE OVER THOSE 10 YEARS, THEN YES, I'M NOT SURE.

SO 10 YEARS, YEAH.

BEGINNING TO END 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE, BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO AT THE TOP SPOT, POSSIBLY IF, IF THEY HAVE HAD PROGRESSIVE MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE OVER THOSE 10 YEARS, MEANING OVER THE PERIOD OF THOSE 10, UNLESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT PROGRESSIVE MEANS.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I'M JUST CLARIFYING OVER THOSE.

SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT THAT MEANS, THEN CERTAINLY SPEAK UP.

BUT IF SOMEONE STARTS

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THIS DOESN'T, IT'S SAYS MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY EVEN HAVE TO HAVE BEEN A CITY MANAGER OR AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

IF THEY HAVE, IF IF THIS COUNCIL LIKES THEM AND THEY HAVE GAINED 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE OF PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE OF MANAGEMENT, THEN THEY WOULD FIT THE ROLE.

BUT IF COUNCIL AS A WHOLE DECIDES THAT PERSON DOESN'T FIT WHAT WE NEED, THEN THAT PERSON WOULDN'T, WOULD BE ELIMINATED AT THE, AT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.

RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T, MY ONLY OPINION IS I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED ALTOGETHER IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE I THINK WE MIGHT MISS SOMEBODY WHO IS A VERY QUALIFIED APPLICANT.

IF YOU, IF YOU HOLD TO THAT LEVEL OF, OF EDUCATION ONLY, I THINK YOU MIGHT MISS CORRECT THE QUALITY CANDIDATES.

SO JUST TO MAKE MY POSITION CLEAR, I THINK THE, UM, MY DESIRE WOULD BE TO BRING IN SOMEONE WITH CITY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE AT EITHER THE ASSISTANT, CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER POSITION, AND THEN OF COURSE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, WOULD FIT IN THAT AS WELL.

I DON'T, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK, UH, WE'RE A BIG ENOUGH CITY.

I THINK THAT, UM, WE WANT TO BRING IN SOMEONE WITH CONNECTIONS WITH THAT KIND OF LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.

AND I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

BUT I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRESSIVE EXPERIENCE I'D LIKE LOCKED IN AT THE TOP SPOT.

SO 10 YEARS CITY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.

THERE'S MY, THERE'S MY SUPPORT.

I DO, JOE.

SO I, I THINK JUST THINKING ABOUT THE CANDIDATES THAT WE HAD LAST TIME, THAT WOULD'VE ELIMINATED EVERY ONE OF YOUR FINAL CANDIDATES EXCEPT FOR ONE.

AND THAT ONE PERSON NOBODY COULD AGREE ON BASED ON HIS PAST EXPERIENCE.

SO I'M NOT, I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN A, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN A HIGH.

OKAY, SO FIVE, NO, I, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING ALTOGETHER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP CANDIDATES THAT THIS CANCEL SELECTED LAST TIME, ONLY ONE OF THEM HAD EVER BEEN A CITY MANAGER.

AND THAT PERSON NO ONE COULD AGREE ON BECAUSE OF THEIR PAST EXPERIENCE AT THEIR PREVIOUS JOB.

SO, SO WE WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD'VE ELIMINATED EVERYBODY IF YOU CHANGED THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO JUST THAT OR CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE.

LOOKING BACK AT THE MOST PREVIOUS ROUND WE HAD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY FINAL CANDIDATES.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU WHAT YOU MAY WANT IN THE FINAL CANDIDATE WHO WE HIRE.

THIS IS JUST ABOUT HOW WE ADVERTISE AND WHO WE'RE TR WHAT CANDIDATES WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.

AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE ON WHO IT IS YOU WANT AND WHAT LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE AND TITLE AND EDUCATION THEY HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT.

SO I'M TALKING ABOUT CASTING A WIDE NET AND THEN FIND THE BEST QUALIFIED PERSON ONCE WE HA ONCE WE HAVE THAT NET CAST.

RICHARD MAYOR, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE AS, AS WE DO WITHIN THE EDUCATION THAT WE STATE THAT IT'S A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, BUT MASTER PREFERRED, UM, WITHIN THE WORK EXPERIENCE, COULD WE STATE CITY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE PREFERRED? I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT CONSIDERED AS AN ASTERISK.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T, I MEAN IF THAT'S, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THERE NOW, AM I CORRECT? NO.

MASTER'S DEGREES PREFERRED, BUT CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE PREFERRED IS NOT THERE.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU GO STRICTLY EDUCATIONAL, YOU ARE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU POSSIBLY ROB YOURSELF OF SOMEONE THAT BRINGS IN VALUABLE, UH, CITY GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.

I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE PREFERRED.

OKAY, NANCY.

UM, WE COULD PROBABLY FIND FOUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS, IF NOT MORE ON THIS HOUSE.

MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YEAH.

MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING IN THE YEAH.

THAT ON THIS COUNCIL IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO EACH ONE OF US.

SURE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO THE RACKMAN STACK AND WHEN WE FINALLY GET THE CANDIDATES IN HERE, BUT IT'S PRETTY UNIVERSALLY USED WHEN YOU'RE SEEKING OUT A MANAGEMENT POSITION THAT YOU COMBINE.

YOU ALLOW THE COMBINATION OF EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION.

AND I'VE PERSONALLY HAVE WORKED WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SELECTED CANDIDATES THAT HAVE, HAVE POSSESSED BOTH OR JUST ONE SET.

I'VE, I'VE HIRED PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD PURELY EXPERIENTIAL WHO WERE VERY, VERY GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN WITH SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS OR THAT ORGANIZATION AND HAD THE BACKGROUND, THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE THAT NOBODY THAT COMES IN OFF THE STREET COULD POSSIBLY POSSESS.

UM,

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UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN IT'S REALLY NICE TO SAY WE WANT THAT PERSON TO HAVE SOME CITY MANAGER EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT IN ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE DO THE RANKING OR HOWEVER WE DO THE SELECTION PROCESS, WE CAN RANK, RACK AND STACK THE CRITERIA THAT PEOPLE WANT TO, IF WE'RE GONNA SCORE 'EM OR HOWEVER ELSE WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

BUT TO CHANGE THE JOB DESCRIPTION FROM WHAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW IS IT'S GOING TO LIMIT US.

IT'S GONNA LIMIT US FROM GETTING CANDIDATES WHO HAVE IMPORTANT KNOWLEDGE FROM WORKING IN WITH MUNICIPALITIES.

I THINK THE REAL WORK HAPPENS ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE CANDIDATES, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK, I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE WORK HAPPENS.

THE WORK ISN'T GETTING APPLICANTS CUZ THAT'S THE JOB OF THE FIRM THAT WE'VE HIRED.

THEIR JOB IS TO BRING US QUALITY APPLICANTS THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENT.

ONCE WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS AND YOU START INTERVIEWING THEM, THAT'S WHERE THE WORK STARTS AND FINDING THE ONE THAT'S MOST QUALIFIED.

AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT, UH, NOT THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL, ED, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOUR FIGHT BEGINS.

THAT'S WHERE RICHARD'S FIGHT BEGINS.

THAT'S WHERE KATE'S FIGHT BEGINS, WHATEVER, IN TRYING TO FIND THE BEST CANDIDATE IN WHO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS THE TIME TO GO AND, AND, AND GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THEIR RESUME AND THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WHERE THEY'VE WORKED AND ALL THE STUFF THEY'VE DONE.

THAT ALL STARTS ONCE WE HAVE THE POOL OF CANDIDATES.

SO I MEAN I'M, AGAIN, I'M JUST STATING MY OPINION, NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WILL DECIDE THIS.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

I THINK EACH ONE OF US ON THIS DIAS HAD A CHANCE TO SIT WITH MRS. HEOVER, I BELIEVE I SAID HER NAME RIGHT, CORRECTLY.

WE EACH GAVE HER OUR RACK AND STACK PRIORITIES, WHAT WE DESIRED OF A CANDIDATE.

SHE WORKED WITH HER, HER TEAM AND WORDSMITH THIS DESCRIPTION UP AND THEY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE TO, LIKE YOU SAID, CAST A WIDE NET OF APPLICANTS AND BRING THEM BEFORE US.

AND IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON A BROCHURE, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EVEN CONTINUE WITH THIS SEARCH.

LET'S NOT WASTE MRS. HANOVER'S TIME OR THE CANDIDATE'S TIME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DON? THANKS MAYOR.

TONY ROGERS, UH, YOU LET OFF THE DISCUSSION BY SAYING THAT PATTY WAS READY TO GO WITH US WHEN UH, WE COULD DO IT AS SOON AS APRIL 1ST.

UM, DO YOU THINK MAKING CHANGES, UM, TO THE BROCHURE ITSELF WOULD BE, UM, ANY KIND OF DELAY AT ALL IN THIS THAT THAT WOULDN'T CAUSE AN UNNECESSARY DELAY? PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE RICHARD SUGGESTED TO JUST ADD CITY MANAGER YOUR EXPERIENCE PREFERRED, UH, THAT DOESN'T SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE ANYTHING.

THIS IS A, UH, PUBLISHER DOCUMENT.

THEY CAN GO IN AND INSERT THAT PRETTY EASILY.

SURE.

UH, TONY, JUST FOR YOUR OPINION, UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING IN UH, THE ORIGINAL BROCHURE THAT YOU RECALL THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LIMITING AS FAR AS, UM, UH, GARNER AND GOOD POOL OF CANDIDATES? NO, UH, PATTY AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ALONG THOSE LINES AND UM, SHE FELT WE HAD A, A GOOD BROCHURE THAT A PRODUCT HAD BEEN PUT TOGETHER THAT WAS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THEIR STANDARDS AND INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

SO, UM, I DON'T THINK SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT ARE REQUIRED AND NEITHER DID SHE BELIEVE SO.

GOOD.

STILL APPLY CUZ THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AUTOMATICALLY EXCLUDED.

WELL THANK YOU TONY.

UH, MAYOR, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT UM, I THINK THE BROCHURE AS IT'S WRITTEN IS OPEN ENOUGH TO GET US A GOOD POOL OF CANDIDATES AND I THINK THE REAL WORK BEGINS WHEN ALL OF US, UH, GATHER AROUND THE TABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHATEVER CANDIDATES APPLY FOR THIS JOB AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE, UH, AS GOOD A POOL IF NOT BETTER THAN THE LAST TIME.

SO I'M WILLING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT AS A TR I I WOULD SAY SO I KNOW, UM, RICHARD DON'T FALL OVER, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU .

I THINK THAT UM, I THINK IF WE ADD CITY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE PREFERRED, I THINK THAT DOES TWO THINGS.

ONE, I THINK IT MIGHT ELEVATE THE LEVEL OR THE QUALITY OF SOMEONE WHO MIGHT APPLY, BUT BECAUSE IT SAYS PREFERRED, NOT REQUIRED, I THINK SOMEONE WHO'S GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WHO HASN'T HAD A CITY MANAGER POSITION YET MIGHT ENCOURAGE THAT PERSON TO

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SO I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION SOLVES TWO ISSUES THERE.

WE GET SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE GOOD EXPERIENCE WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER POSITION TO APPLY AND BECAUSE IT SAYS PERVER, IT MIGHT GET US A HIGHER LEVEL OF CANDIDATES TO BEGIN WITH.

SO I MEAN ON, ON THAT ISSUE ITSELF, ADDING THAT TO THE BROCHURE I DON'T THINK IS UH, IS GONNA BE, UH, AN ISSUE TYING IT UP AND I THINK IT SOLVES THE ISSUE THAT, THAT YOU AND MAYBE ED ANITA ARE CONCERNED WITH AND ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD FAIRLY QUICKLY.

CAN WE, NANCY CAN PATTY'S FEEDBACK ON THAT IF, IF SHE WOULD SEE ANY REASON WITH THAT ISSUE WITH ADDING THAT IN THERE.

RICHARD, DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE SEEING WHAT PATTY SAYS ABOUT THAT? MAYBE IN HER EXPERIENCE THE PREFERRED SHOWS LESS CANDIDATES, MAYBE IT SHOWS MORE CANDIDATES.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

SO IF, ARE YOU, DO YOU OBJECT TO GETTING PATTY'S FEEDBACK ON THAT? I HAVE NO OBJECTION.

UH, FOR A GOOD QUALITY DISCUSSION FOR THAT MATTER.

SHE'S PROBABLY WATCHING ANYWAY.

HI PATTY.

I'LL, I'LL PROBABLY GET A CALL FROM HER IN THE MORNING.