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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO CITY HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 17TH, 2023.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO, MR. ROGERS, WHAT'D YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. SHAW? MS. BAKER? HERE.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM TWO A IS OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 3RD, 2023, UH, MEETING.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? ANY CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES? OKAY.
SEEING NONE OF THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH ITEM THREE A.
UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT.
UH, WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW, UH, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN A WHILE, BUT, UH, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ON THE DIAS ABOUT, UM, MAKING, UH, SIGNALIZED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION OF CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY AND BRANT PIKE.
UH, LAST WEEK WE HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, GOOD CONVERSATION WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM MIAMI COUNTY AND, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
UH, AND, UH, A, UH, AGREEMENT BETWEEN ALL THREE PARTIES HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
WE'LL BE CRAFTING THAT SHORTLY, UH, SO THAT, UH, WE CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ADJUSTING THE CITY BOUNDARY LINE TO BRING IN ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AT BRANT, UH, AND BEGIN WORKING ON THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO, I WANTED TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT WE ARE, UH, CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THAT.
UM, ALSO WANNA LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT, UH, LAST WEEK I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH, UH, SPECIAL COUNSEL BOND COUNCIL, UH, CHRIS FRANZ, UH, ABOUT A STUDY THAT, UH, STAFF COMMISSIONED WITH LOCKWOOD JONES AND BEAL BACK IN, UH, 2022.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY WAS TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE COULD ANALYZE, UH, REVENUES FROM OUR VARIOUS, UH, TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICTS, HOW WE COULD UTILIZE THAT REVENUE IN SUPPORT OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UH, HAVING SPOKEN ABOUT, UH, THAT REPORT WITH, UM, UH, MR. FRYDMAN, MR. FRYDMAN AGREED WITH THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE REPORT AND THAT WE CAN INDEED UTILIZE, UH, TIF PROCEEDS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICTS IN WHICH THEY'RE GENERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS REPORT.
UH, SO WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD LEGISLATION AS APPROPRIATE IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO BEGIN UTILIZING THOSE FUNDS.
WE'LL ALSO BE CONSIDERING HOW TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT HERE.
UH, MOST SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WATER, BUT ALSO, UH, ROAD AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SPEAKING OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MANAGEMENT, UH, COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT STAFF COMMISSION A FACILITY STUDY TO LOOK AT AND EVALUATE ALL OF OUR, UH, PHYSICAL ASSETS, UH, AND DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEM IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
UH, WHILE WE DID, UH, HIRE A FIRM TO DO THAT, THAT STUDY HAS YET TO OCCUR.
IT WILL BEGIN ON THE, UH, 6TH OF FEBRUARY AND CONCLUDE WITH A FINAL REPORT ON OR ABOUT APRIL 7TH.
THAT PROJECT, UH, IS IN COMBINATION WITH, UH, BOTH PUBLIC WORKS AND, UH, ENGINEERING DIVISION.
UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WANNA REMIND, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY REMIND, BUT I WANNA LET COUNCIL THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT, UH, WE'LL BE HOSTING COFFEE WITH A COP ON JANUARY 25TH, AND THAT'LL BE FROM, UH, 10:00 AM TO 12 IN THE MORNING, UH, HOSTED BY THE HUBER HEIGHTS CHURCH OF GOD OVER ON GRAND PIKE.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, UH, COUNSEL, SIR, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR ME, DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THE ITEMS HE LISTED IN HIS CITY MANAGER REPORT? GLENN? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR BRIAN FROM A CITY MANAGER REPORT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD THE TOPIC OF, UH, THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.
UH, THE WATER REPLACEMENT WATER MAIN WATERLINE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM UPDATE THAT WAS REQUESTED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION OR AN ASK TO UPDATE THE AGENDA.
IS THERE A SECOND TO DO THAT, ED? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UM, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
MAY I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? MR. OTTO, DID YOU WANT THAT UPDATE TONIGHT CUZ STAFF DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT? OR DO YOU WANT IT FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION? COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? NO, THAT WAS REQUESTED THE DAY AFTER, UH, OUR LAST MEETING, UM, AN EMAIL REQUEST, AND I HAD TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNSEL THAT ALSO ASKED FOR THE SAME THING.
SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA ALREADY.
WAS YOUR AGENDA ALREADY PREPARED? AGAIN, THIS WAS LAST TUESDAY.
I HAD THE OTHER ONE, WHICH WITH THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH MISS I REMEMBER.
BUT YEAH, FOR IF IT WAS ON THERE, LET'S,
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YOU WERE NOT ON MY EMAIL.TONY, BRIAN, EVERYONE ELSE WAS.
BRIAN WAS, THAT'S WHY I WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT TO THE MAYOR DISCUSSION.
I, I DO RECALL THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH ONE, WHICH WE HAD THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK FOR THAT, AND THAT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DID MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM ME ON, UH, THAT DATE, NOVEMBER 12TH, UH, ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE POSED IN THE EMAIL, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO COUNSEL THAT DAY, BUT THAT IS ALSO THE SAME DAY THAT MY ACCOUNT WAS HACKED.
SO, UM, THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT WENT IN OR WENT OUT EFFECTIVELY.
SO, UM, WE DID TRY TO REPLY TO THE REQUESTED QUESTIONS THAT, THAT HAD BEEN ASKED.
NOW, I DO NOT RECALL RECEIVING THAT.
IF SOMEONE ELSE DID, I DON'T KNOW.
NOVEMBER, I'M SORRY, DID I SAY NOVEMBER 12TH? NOVEMBER 12TH, SORRY.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN JANUARY 12TH.
IF THE AMENDS, UH, THE AGENDA IS AMENDED, ARE YOU PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT? UH, I WOULD EFFECTIVELY READ OFF THE ANSWERS THAT ARE IN THIS EMAIL RIGHT HERE.
SO I COULD JUST SEND THAT TO COUNSEL, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP THAT'S NECESSARY, THEN PERHAPS THAT, IF THAT WOULD PLEASE COUNSEL, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE WORK SESSION IF NECESSARY.
IS THAT SATISFIED? VERY CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION.
I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND.
UM, WE WILL TONY CALL THE RULE? MS. BAKER? NO.
SO WE WILL ADD THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
NO, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE RULES OF COUNSEL STATE THAT IF THREE MEMBERS ARE IN AGREEANCE ON SOMETHING BASED ON THE AGENDA, THAT IT SHOULD GO ON THE AGENDA AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AFTER THREE MEMBERS HAD REQUESTED WITH PLENTY OF TIME, BUT YOU HAVEN'T INCLUDED THE, THE MAYOR WAS ON IT.
EVERYONE, EVERYONE ELSE WAS ON IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN ON THAT IS SIMPLY THAT COUNCILWOMAN KITCHEN IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC TO COUNCILWOMAN KITCHEN.
YES, SHE WILL BE, SHE'LL BE LATE THIS EVENING AND SHE HAS ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT, AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO, I WAS ADDED ASKING, ADDED TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
WE'LL PUT ON THE WORK SESSION FOR, UH, FEBRUARY.
WE'RE STILL IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S UPDATE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, BRIAN, I GOT YOUR EMAIL THROUGH, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF, UM, ABOUT THE QUESTION I ASKED LAST TIME.
UM, IT WAS FULL OF INFORMATION, UH, WHICH I GREATLY APPRECIATE.
UM, THE OVERARCHING QUESTION THOUGH, UH, WASN'T ANSWERED, UH, WHICH WAS, WHEN CAN WE ANTICIPATE THE NEW FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED? SO, ED, I'M, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND INTERJECT HERE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD OUR CITY MANAGER UPDATE, UH, AND THEN QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO ITEMS THAT THE CITY MANAGER ASKS IN AN UPDATE.
SO I WOULD THEN ASK THE SAME THING OF YOU.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING FIREFIGHTERS, THE AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS AND ALL THOSE, UH, OTHER DETAILS, THEN SEND US AN EMAIL, MAKE SURE THE CLERK IS COPIED AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, GLENN, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO APOLOGIZE.
I GET A TON OF EMAILS AND I MISSED IT.
NORMALLY TONY MAKES SURE IS MY FOLLOW UP, THAT IF I MISSED SOMETHING, HE CATCHES IT.
UM, SO THIS WAS JUST A MISTAKE.
UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ANY OTHER ISSUE OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS UPDATED US WITH, THAT NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE START DEVELOPING OUR AGENDA MOVING FORWARD BASED ON THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE.
IT'S NOT HOW WE'VE DONE IT OVER FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SET THAT PRECEDENT AGAIN AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UM, WELL, MAYOR, WE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T ON THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE.
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LAST PUBLIC MEETING.UM, I DID GET AN EMAIL, BUT IT DIDN'T ANSWER.
MY OVERARCHING QUESTION WAS HOW, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT FIREFIGHTERS, UH, TO BE HIRED, UM, THAT ARE PENDING? AND THAT IS, BUT YOU'RE CUTTING ME OFF AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER TO ANSWER MY QUESTION.
I IS CORRECT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I READ THAT EMAIL, UH, I READ THE RESPONSE BY THE FIRE CHIEF THAT WE HAD PEOPLE HIRED, AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT TO BE DONE WAS SPECIFIC TO THE ACTUAL FIREFIGHTERS.
WERE NOT MISTAKEN TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO THE, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
WE KNOW WE'VE HIRED THEM AND WE'RE WAITING ON THE PROCESS.
WELL, UM, IF WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION FURTHER ABOUT FIREFIGHTERS, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE A WE'LL PUT IT ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HIJACK THE CITY MANAGER REPORT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS.
I'M JUST FOLLOWING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S NOT PERTINENT, IT'S NOT PERTINENT TO THE CITY STATE MANAGER REPORT TODAY.
YOU SAID ALSO THAT WE, YOU ANSWERED THAT, AND I'M FINE GETTING THE ANSWER FROM YOU IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT MY ANSWER, FIREFIGHTER ARE CURRENTLY BEING INTERVIEWED ABOUT HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE WE CAN ANTICIPATE THEM IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND PASS ALL THE STANDARDS, HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE THEY'RE HIRED? YEAH.
LOOKING AT JUNE, WOULD YOU PLEASE, WE LOOK IN AUGUST, WOULD YOU PLEASE ADD THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION? SO YOU SAID WE'D WENT OVER THAT ANSWER, MAYOR.
SO WHEN CAN I EXPECT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS TO BE HIRED? WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT THE WORK SESSION.
SO GETTING BACK TO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING THAT TO BE DISCUSSED? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE PRECEDENT THAT'S BEEN SET FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND WE WILL ADD IT TO THE WORK SESSION AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT.
AND THEN THAT GIVES, UH, CITY MANAGER AND GIVES THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, PLENTY OF TIME TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT AND LOOK AT THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THOSE CANDIDATES MIGHT BE FINISHED WITH THE ACTUAL HIRING PROCESS.
BUT YOU REMEMBER ME ASKING THAT IN THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING? YES.
AND I REMEMBER THE EMAIL THAT NOT GETTING THE ANSWER, AND I REMEMBER THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT ALONG WITH THE FIRE CHIEF'S EMAIL EXPLAINING THE HIRING PROCESS IN GREAT DETAIL.
SO, WHICH PART OF IT DID I MISS THAT SAID, WE CAN EX ANTICIPATE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS BEING HIRED.
AND IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU'D HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE SENT AN EMAIL AND ASKED IT GOING AN AGENDA.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS YET.
[ Arts and Beautification Commission Update]
UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE ARTS AM BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION UPDATE.SHANNON TEAGUE, THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION IS HERE TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, OR GOOD EVENING, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, SO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION HAS BEEN BUSY.
WE, UH, DID THE MARYGOLD FESTIVAL, WHICH WE WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED.
WE THINK THE NEW SCHEDULE THAT WE ADDED WITH A BUNCH OF EVENTS, UH, REALLY BROUGHT THE FAMILIES OUT, WENT WELL.
UH, WE ALSO DID A TILE PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UH, WE PARTNERED WITH THE GIRL SCOUTS AND ABOUT 90 GIRLS CAME AND PAINTED ON THE LITTLE TILES, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE THEM UP, UM, WHEN, UH, THE ART EXHIBIT IS.
SO, 90 TILES WERE DONE, ABOUT 20 VOLUNTEERS.
IT WAS A REALLY GOOD TIME AND A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT.
SO THANKS TO THE GIRL SCOUTS WHO PARTNERED WITH US.
UM, WE ALSO DID LIGHTS IN THE HEIGHTS, WHICH WE HAD OVER 25 HOMES THAT WERE INVOLVED.
PEOPLE DROVE AROUND, GOT TO SEE THE, UM, FESTIVAL SEASON AND JUST ENJOYED, UM, BEING AROUND EACH OTHER AND ENJOYING THE LIGHTS.
AND WE ALSO HAD HOSPITALITY TINTS WHERE PEOPLE STOPPED AND HAD, UM, HOT CHOCOLATE OR COOKIES, AND THEY GOT TO ENJOY THAT TOO.
UM, OUR TREE LIGHTING EVENT, UM, IT WAS COLD THAT NIGHT.
SO THANKS FOR ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT CAME OUT AND ENJOYED IT WITH US.
UM, WE HAD, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED FOR, EVEN WITH THE WEATHER BEING COLD THANKS TO DOLLAR SWAP AND SOME FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, OVER 200 BOOKS WERE DONATED SO WE COULD GIVE THE CHILDREN, UM, CHRISTMAS BOOKS.
UM, WE WERE ESTIMATING AROUND 300 PEOPLE ATTENDED THANKS TO, UM, FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH WHO DONATED, UM, THE SNACKS AND STARBUCKS.
THEY, UM, DONATED LITTLE, UH, CAKE POPS AND, UM, OTHER PEOPLE DONATED THE HOT CHOCOLATE FOR US, SO WE GOT TO ENJOY SOME HOT CHOCOLATE ON THAT COLD, COLD, COLD NIGHT.
UM, WE ARE PREPPING FOR THE ART EXHIBIT, WHICH IS FEBRUARY 11TH.
WE ALREADY HAVE 25 ARTISTS SIGNED UP AND READY TO GO.
WE'RE EXCITED AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT TILE PROJECT UP SO, UM, EVERYONE CAN SEE THE HARD WORK.
UM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO OUR ELECTIONS FOR THE NEW YEAR, UH, AND, UH, MAYBE A NEW CHAIR, YOUR VICE CHAIR WILL BE PICKED.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE MAKING PLANS FOR OUR NEW YEAR'S FOR,
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FOR THE JULY EVENT AND JUST GETTING READY FOR THAT NEW YEAR.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, YES, PLEASE.
UM, SHANNON, DID WE HAVE, UH, DID WE USE UP ALL THE TILES? WE DID NOT.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS OVER A HUNDRED DONATED.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 10 MORE TO MAKE A GOOD, UH, SQUARE FOR THE, BUT THE GIRL SCOUTS ARE GONNA COME BACK WITH ANOTHER GROUP AND DO THE LAST FEW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS'? GOOD, KATE? YES, MA'AM.
MAYOR, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WHEN YOU GUYS SET YOUR EVENTS THAT YOU COULD EMAIL COUNSEL AND LET US KNOW SO WE COULD GET IT ON OUR CALENDARS, WHENEV, WHENEVER YOUR EVENTS GET SET? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THANK, YEAH, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, YOU COULD JUST SEND IT TO ME AND I INATE SURE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
[ Motorola Equipment Purchase - Digital Evidence Storage]
UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE MOTOROLA EQUIPMENT PURCHASE.THIS IS FOR DIGITAL EVIDENCE STORAGE CHIEF.
SO THIS IS, UM, AN ASKED ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS TO PROVIDE A, UH, SYSTEM FOR DIGITAL EVIDENCE STORAGE.
CURRENTLY, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MOTOROLA PREMIER ONE AS OUR NEW CAN IN RMS SYSTEM.
SO THIS KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND.
THIS IS THE EVIDENCE STORAGE PART OF THE, UH, OF MOTOROLA.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, OR NO, NEXT YEAR IT'S FREE.
UH, YEAR TWO THROUGH SIX IS 59 50 PER YEAR.
THAT'S PAID OUTTA THE IT BUDGET.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF REGARDING THIS? YES.
CHIEF, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT DIGITAL EVIDENCE STORAGE, UM, ENTAILS? YEAH, CURRENTLY WE, UH, WE ARE STORING OUR, UM, VIDEOS AND WATCH CARD AND WATCH CARDS ARE IN-CAR CAMERA AND BODY CAM SYSTEM.
AND WE STORE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE XDRIVE ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, COMPUTER.
AND THEN TO ACCESS THE, THE PHOTOS, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE XDRIVE AND TO ACCESS THE VIDEOS, WE GO TO WATCHGUARD.
THIS WILL BE A ONE STOP SHOP SYSTEM WHERE ALL OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND ALL OF THE, UH, UH, VIDEOS WILL GO TO THIS EVIDENCE STORAGE LOCKER.
IT CAN BE TRACKED THERE AS TO WHO YOU'VE USED IT, IT CAN BE LOCKED DOWN.
IT NEEDED TO BE LOCKED DOWN, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, KEITH.
CHIEF LITNER, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT 59? IS IT? $5,950? OH, SORRY.
YEAH, THE LAST FOUR YEARS, NEXT YEAR OR THIS YEAR, THERE'S NO COST.
AND THE QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING? OH, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? IS THIS CLOUD STORAGE? YES.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS ON.
[ Cardiac Monitor/Defibrillator/CPR Devices - Lease Agreement]
UP IS ITEM 3D, WHICH IS CARDIAC MONITOR DEFIBRILLATOR CPR DEVICES.UH, A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THOSE.
HOW ARE YOU? UM, TONIGHT'S, UH, BRINGING FORWARD A, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY THAT WE FOUND WE HAVE IN OUR C I P IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS TO START REPLACING OUR CARDIAC MONITORS.
UH, WHAT WE'VE NOTICED IS, IS THE CARDIAC MONITOR COST PER INDIVIDUAL UNIT HAS ALMOST DOUBLED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE BOUGHT MONITORS, I BELIEVE ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO.
UH, TECHNOLOGY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
UH, WE KNOW THAT, UH, THE MORE COMPUTERIZED, UH, THINGS AND SOFTWARE THAT GO INTO SOMETHING, THE MORE THAT IT'S GONNA CHANGE.
UM, AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, OUR OPPORTUNITIES AND, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS, IS WE LOOKED AT, UH, WHAT WE CONSIDER THE TWO LEADING COMPANIES OUT THERE, UH, STRYKER, WHO USED TO BE PHYSIO CONTROL THAT WE'VE OWNED, UH, SINCE I STARTED HERE.
UH, WE LOOKED AT ANOTHER COMPANY, UH, WE BROUGHT THE COMPANY IN.
THEY DID A BUNCH OF TRAINING, DID SOME CLASSES WITH US, AND WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND TOOK, UH, THOSE MONITORS AND WE PUT 'EM ON ONE VEHICLE.
WE RAN THROUGH AN ENTIRE EVALUATION PROCESS, UH, WITH OUR STAFF, UH, GOT REVIEWS BACK AND WENT THROUGH THE REVIEWS.
AND WE FOUND THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, OUR PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH THE CURRENT CARDIAC MONITORS THAT THEY HAVE.
UH, THIS WOULD INVOLVE US TRADING IN SIX MONITORS.
UH, WE WOULD GET SEVEN BACK, UH, SEVEN BRAND NEW MONITORS, THE LATEST VERSIONS, LATEST SOFTWARE, AND THEN OUR CPR, OUR AUTOMATED CPR OR MECHANICAL CPR MACHINES.
UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA TRADE IN.
OH GOSH, I JUST, UH, I LOST IT THERE.
WE'RE GONNA TRADE IN FOUR OF THOSE, AND WE'RE
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GONNA GET FIVE, UH, FIVE OR SIX BACK.I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT ANYWAYS, WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IN FIVE YEARS, OUR EQUIPMENT, WE WILL, IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE CAN TURN IN OUR CURRENT EQUIPMENT AND WE WILL GET BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT BACK FROM THEM.
AND AT THE END OF THE 10 YEARS WE CAN, UM, WE'VE OPTED TO BE ABLE TO BUY THE EQUIPMENT BACK FOR $1 THAT WAY IN 10 YEARS.
AS THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M HERE, WHOEVER THE FIRE CHIEF IS, IS AS THEY WON'T FEEL A NEED TO HAVE TO RUSH AND JUST BUY WHATEVER'S OUT THERE.
THEY'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO, TO RESEARCH AND, AND BASICALLY BUY ALL THIS EQUIPMENT BACK FOR A DOLLAR.
THIS WILL COVER, UH, OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT HAS GONE UP SLOWLY, AND WE ANTICIPATE WITH, UH, THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW THAT IT'LL CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT STABILIZES ALL OF OUR PAYMENTS.
UH, IT'S A PREDICTABLE PAYMENT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND IT WILL ENSURE THAT OUR PEOPLE HAVE THE, THE LATEST AND GREATEST TECHNOLOGY, UH, AVAILABLE TO THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF ON THE, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT? NO, MAYOR.
UM, THESE CARDIAC MONITORS, WHEN DID YOU SAY THEY'LL BE IN, UH, WHEN WE WOULD SIGN THE DEAL? I WOULD IMAGINE WITHIN A MONTH OR SO.
UH, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PARTICULARS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO, UH, ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT AND ALL THAT.
AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY 37, UH, PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTERS, NON, UH, SUPERVISORS THAT ARE ABLE TO USE THE CARDIAC MONITORS WELL IN A MONTH.
EVERY ONE OF OUR PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE A MONITOR, INCLUDING ME.
UH, SO THE NUMBER'S MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
UH, I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.
THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS HIGHER THAN, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY EMAILS.
UH, BUT SO WHEN DO YOU, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE FOUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE ABLE WHEN YOU HIRE AND BE ABLE TO USE IT? I CERTAINLY HOPE BY THE TIME THIS EQUIPMENT'S IN, I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN, UH, TO, TO GET THESE PEOPLE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
AND, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY, ONE, WE HAVE A PLACE FOR THIS OTHER MONITOR TO GO.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS THAT WE COULD PUT IT ON.
SOMETIMES OUR STAFFING IS IN ONE TRUCK AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CARDIAC MONITOR ON THAT TODAY.
SO WE, WE HAVE THE PERSONNEL, WE ARE STAFFING, UH, WE'RE STAFFING, UH, UH, 14, AROUND 14 PEOPLE A DAY.
AND, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO USE ALL THESE, ALL THESE CARDIAC MONITORS.
SO THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING INTERVIEWED, THEY'LL BE HIRED IN A MONTH TO USE THESE NEW DEVICES.
THEY WILL BE HIRED AS SOON AS THEY CAN PASS A PHYSICAL PASS, A PSYCHOLOGICAL TEST, WHICH I'VE BEEN TOLD BY HR.
ALL THESE TESTS ARE STARTING TO BE, UH, STARTING TO BE DONE.
HERE'S THE DEAL IS, IS THAT WE'VE OFFERED THEM A JOB.
SO EVERYBODY THAT'S GOT AN OFFER, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT, WE HAVE TO HIRE THEM.
WE'VE OFFERED HIM TO COME IN AND GET TUTORING.
UH, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
SO AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET INTO, UH, OUR, OUR DOCTOR FOR A PHYSICAL, A STRESS TEST, DRUG TEST, PSYCHOLOGICAL, THEY WILL, THEY WILL GET INTO TRAINING AND START.
AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT'LL TAKE THE PROCESS? YOU CAN GO CHIEF, CHIEF, SO IF YOU'D LIKE SOME TIME TO PREPARE, THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION.
IF WE ORDER THESE, UH, MAYOR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET HIM ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M LETTING HIM CARDIAC MONITOR DEFIBRILLATORS, CPR DEVICES FOR THE LEASE.
I'M JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHEN THE NEW FOR THE LEASE AGREEMENT HIRES WILL BE.
AND SO WHAT I, SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IF, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, AND THESE ITEMS ARE THEN ORDERED, THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS APPROVED, WILL THE NEW HIRES BE ABLE TO USE THESE IF WE ORDER THESE THINGS IN FACT, OR GIVE APPROVED APPROVAL FOR LEGISLATION ON MONDAY? YES.
THEN WHEN CAN WE EXPECT HIM TO BE HIRED? WELL, I THINK HE SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW.
I MEAN, UNLESS HE KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DO, IT'S A BALLPARK.
WELL, IN TERMS OF THEIR, USUALLY IT TAKES THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
WILL THEY BE HIRED? WILL THEY BE HIRED BY APRIL, YOU THINK? CHIEF? SO I, APRIL, I, I CERTAINLY, I CERTAINLY HOPE SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, TODAY'S MARKET, IT IS VERY CRAZY.
UH, EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE AT PD TO GET INTERVIEWED OR TO, TO BE ABLE TO BE INTERVIEWED AFTER THEIR BACKGROUNDS ARE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, I'LL PULL UP A, LET ME PULL UP AN EMAIL HERE.
THAT'S, I, I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GONNA, APRIL, APRIL.
WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY IF IT WAS JIM, THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR? SO WHAT DID SAY YOU SO MUCH? IS THAT SO PAINFUL? WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY JUNE? OH, YEAH.
IS, IS, IS WHEN I SAY MOST DEFINITELY, WE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THEM HIRED.
WITHIN FOUR MORE WEEKS, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.
UH, ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES, JANUARY 23RD, IS SCHEDULED FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL,
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ANOTHER ONE SHOULD BE GOING THIS WEEK.SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT WEEK IF, NO.
NOW, WAS THAT SO PAINFUL? ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.
THIS MOCKERY THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING OVER FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS PAINFUL, ACTUALLY.
YES, IT'S PAINFUL FOR ALL OF US.
WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, BUT HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY OPINION AS A REPRESENTATIVE AWARD SIX.
YOU DISAGREE, BUT I DO DISAGREE.
THAT IS MY JOB, AND I DO IT VERY WELL,
NOW, IF WE'RE NOT PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME, THAT'S FINE, BUT KEEP NICELY.
AND IF YOU SAY, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE CONFIDENT, KEEP NICELY.
YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO.
UM, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE CONFIDENT, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR STAFF FULLY, UH, STOOD UP BY APRIL, THEN I WOULD HOPE WE DON'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN UNTIL APRIL.
THANK YOU WITH, AND YOU GIVE US THE UPDATES WHENEVER YOU FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING? NOT AT ALL.
[ Increase Not to Exceed Amount - Howard Truck Repair Service]
UP IS ITEM THREE E INCREASE ONTO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR HOWARD TRUCK REPAIR SERVICE.UM, BASICALLY THIS IS A SNOWPLOW, UM, TRUCK FOR THE CITY THAT IS, UM, UM, WENT IN TO HAVE REPAIRS AT ONE TIME LAST YEAR, AND THE REPAIRS BECAME MORE THAN THAN EXPECTED.
AND BASICALLY THE ENGINE IS NOW INOPERABLE.
UM, SO BASICALLY THE CHASSIS AND EVERYTHING IS STILL GOOD, CAN BE MOVED FORWARD ON THE BASIC LIFE OF SPAN OF DIESEL IS ABOUT 1915, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT UPON, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WITH THE SALT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE DEPENDENTS UPON THOSE THINGS.
BUT, UM, BASICALLY, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PURCHASING A NEW MOTOR FOR THIS AND TO BE INSTALLED.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT CONCERNING IT MOVING FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE ON THE TRUCK REPAIR? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[ Landscape Revitalization - Bid Acceptance]
THREE F, WHICH IS THE LANDSCAPE REVITALIZATION IN BID ACCEPTANCE.BASICALLY THIS IS A, A, A RESOLUTION THAT WENT BEFORE YOU, UM, COUNSEL LAST YEAR, UM, TO DO SOME LANDSCAPE REVITALIZATIONS AROUND DIFFERENT LANDSCAPED AREAS AROUND THE CITY, UM, TO INCLUDE 2 0 1 2, 2 ISLANDS AROUND 70.
UM, THE, THE MORE AESTHETICALLY APPEALING LANDSCAPED AREAS, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL, UM, LISAS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THEY JUST, THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, AS AS LANDSCAPE GOES, IF IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 20 YEARS, IT KIND OF NEEDS A REVITALIZATION AND KIND OF LOOKED AT AND KIND OF, UM, REDONE.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, GETTING THOSE, UM, BASICALLY KIND OF, UM, RE-UPDATED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING A LITTLE BETTER AESTHETICALLY.
IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC PLACES OR ANY HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT WE CAN? THERE'S ABOUT, UM, ALMOST 20.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, NANCY, MIKE? I, UM, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, UH, WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE, DO WE MAKE A HABIT OF, UM, REPURPOSING LIKE THE LARGE STONES THAT ARE UNEARTHED TO, TO MOVE AROUND INTO PARKS? ARE THERE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE USED TO ACCENT OUR, WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, WITH THE, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE AREA HERE AT TAYLORSVILLE AND, UM, UH, 2 0 2, UM, WE REPURPOSED, WE WENT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY AND WE REPURPOSED A LOT OF THOSE.
UM, THE FIREHOUSES HAS, HAS RECEIVED A BUNCH OF THEM WITH THEIR LANDSCAPE ASPECT.
UM, THE CLOUD PARK HAS RECEIVED A BUNCH OF THOSE, UM, FOR DIFFERENT ASPECTS LATER ON, FOR DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE SOME STORED AWAY, UM, AT, AT THE YARD WASTE SITE BASICALLY, UM, TO KIND OF USE AND UTILIZE AS, AS NEED BE FOR FUTURE USE.
UM, I, I HAPPEN TO NOTICE SOME OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON UP AT HEATHER MIRROR, AND IT KIND OF SPARKED THE QUESTION, BUT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A AREA IN THE DOG PARK UPRIGHT IN FRONT WHERE THE, THE TREES AND, AND THE LANDSCAPING WERE JUST TOUCHED UP A LITTLE BIT, THAT MIGHT BE, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS HANDS BY USING ANY SPARE THAT WE HAVE AROUND YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OH, CLINT, NO QUESTIONS.
UH, MIKE, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN WITH THE, UH, PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
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MOVING, GOING.[ Huber Heights Chamber Of Commerce - Lease - Thomas Cloud Park House]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE HUMAN RIGHTS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE LEASE, UH, AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.UH, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RENTS THE, UH, HOME THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY AT, UH, TOM CLOUD PARK.
UH, THEIR LEASE IS SET TO EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
THEY'VE ASKED FOR, UH, ONE YEAR, UM, EXTENSION TO THAT UNDER THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND ITS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, COUNSEL HONORED THAT REQUEST.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY.
[ Case RZ 22-35 - Thomas Dusa - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - Technology Boulevard/Artz Road]
UP IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS CASE R Z 22 DASH 35.UH, THOMAS DUSA, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
REZONING AT THE BASE OF MONT PLAN TECHNO TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD.
AARON? YEAH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME HERE OR UP THERE? UH, THERE PLEASE, IF YOU WILL.
HERE'S A CLICKER THING IF YOU JUST WANTED TO USE THAT.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN FOREVER SINCE A SENIOR.
IT'S BEEN A BIT
UH, SO THIS IS A, UH, A REZONING OFF OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD FOR A, UH, TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY.
UM, IT IS, UH, ABOUT THREE ACRES, UM, CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, B3.
IT'S VACANT LAND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BEING FARMED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THIS TO INDUSTRIAL TO FACILITATE A 12 SPACE, UH, TRUCK PARKING AREA WITH A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT REPAIR SERVICE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE SITE OUTLINED IN RED.
IT'S ALMOST ENTIRELY, UH, UH, INDUSTRIAL OR B3 SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL.
UH, IF YOU RECALL, WE RECENTLY, UM, REZONED THIS 35 ACRE SITE TO PLAN, UH, COMMERCIAL TO FACILITATE A, UH, A TRUCK STOP CONVENIENCE STORE AND, UH, DIESEL ENGINE REPAIR FACILITY ALONG WITH, UH, 30 30 OR SO, UH, TRUCK PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS THE SITE, UH, LOOKING TO THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THIS WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE, UM, EAST, UH, 2 35 IS, IS RIGHT BEHIND THIS, UH, THIS TREE LINE, WHICH, UM, HAS, SINCE I TOOK THIS PICTURE, BEEN, UH, THINNED OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, DOING SOME WATER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ALONG THAT AREA.
UH, THE PARKING FACILITY IS HERE.
THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, RETENTION POND.
THE, THE SITE SITS BELOW GRADE ABOUT SIX FEET OR SO, SIX TO EIGHT FEET.
UH, IT WILL BE SECURE, UH, FENCED IN.
UM, UH, ONLY ACCESS POINT WOULD BE OFF OF TECHNOLOGY.
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE REQUIRING OR PLAN BOARD IS, IS REQUIRING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A, UH, BUILDING, UM, CONSTRUCTED SO THAT IT IS NOT SIMPLY A, UH, A TRUCK, UH, DROP YARD.
UH, THIS IS THE ARCH, THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
ONE OF THEIR CONDITIONS WAS THAT, UH, THIS BE, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY.
UH, UNLESS THAT THAT'S CHANGED DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THEY, SINCE THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY OFF OF 2 35 AND 70, UM, THEY ARE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE BUILT HERE IS ATTRACTIVE.
UH, THIS WOULD BE LOOKING, UH, FROM ARTS ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
SO, UH, AS I SAID, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE 72 35, UH, INTERCHANGE.
THE SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE ALMOST ALL INDUSTRIAL, UH, MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, UM, DISTRIBUTION AND LOGISTICS.
I MENTIONED THE RECENT REZONING.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS A TRUCK DRIVER HIMSELF, UM, AND FEELS THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS, THESE KIND OF SUPPORT SERVICES SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE, UH, OVER THE ROAD, UH, TRUCKERS WHO HAVE MAXIMIZED THEIR ON ROAD TIME AND NEED A PLACE TO DROP THEIR VEHICLE.
UM, THERE THIS CASE WAS TABLED, UM, FROM ITS FIRST R UH, APPEARANCE, UH, CUZ THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE USE OF THE BUILDING WAS, WAS GOING TO BE, WHAT KIND OF SERVICES WERE GOING TO BE PROVIDED.
THIS REALLY IS A MAINTENANCE, UH, FACILITY.
UH, IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP WITH SHOWERS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF.
IT IS, IS STRICTLY A MAINTENANCE FACILITY IN IN OFFICE.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING THE PARKING AVAILABLE WOULD BE, UH, THE PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE IS AVAILABLE FOR THE DRIVERS.
THEY DROP THEIR TRUCK AND OR TRAILER OFF, AND THEN THEY UBER EITHER HOME OR TO A HOTEL.
THEY'RE NOT STAYING OVERNIGHT, UH, ON THIS LOT, WHICH ALSO DIFFERENTIATES, SAY, DIFFERENTIATES ITSELF ITSELF FROM A TRADITIONAL TRUCK STOP.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE REZONING ANALYSIS AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS AREA IS A GATEWAY AREA, WHICH, UM, IS INTENDED TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE ENTRANCE INTO THE CITY.IT'S ALSO CONSIDERED A GROWTH AREA, UH, IN THE, UH, COMPREHEN CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WHERE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS DIS DISCOURAGED, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE TO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH OF THE CITY.
AND THESE AREAS ARE, ARE THE ECONOMIC ENGINES, UH, AS YOU WILL OF THE CITY.
SO FROM A REZONING REQUEST FROM B3 TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL, UM, AS LONG AS I THINK WE ARE ATTRACTIVE, UH, IN THE WAY WE DESIGN THIS, UM, WE STAFF FEELS THAT THIS COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, WHAT'S PROPOSED IS, UH, IS ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, AS, AS WE ALWAYS DO, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE WILL GET INTO THE WEEDS WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANT.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING STREET TREES, UH, BUILDING SETBACKS ARE APPROPRIATE.
THE BUILDING FACADE, UM, AS PROPOSED WAS AT LEAST 30% MASONRY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO INCREASE THAT TO 100%.
UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT FEN FENESTRATION OR HOW WINDOWS ARE PLACED ALONG WITH, UH, THE, THE, THE CLADDING OF THE BUILDING SINCE IT IS SUCH A GATEWAY.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, THOSE DETAILS, UM, WILL BE, UM, WORKED OUT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
WE WERE CONCERNED THAT, UH, AND STILL ARE THAT UNLESS A BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED AND PROGRAMMED, THAT THIS BECOMES SIMPLY A TRAILER DROP LOT.
UH, AND SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ADDED IS THAT, UM, NO OCCUPANCY PERMIT OR ZONING CERTIFICATE WOULD BE ISSUED UNTIL THIS BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S CHEAP AND EASY TO JUST PAVE AN AREA, UH, AND THEN COMING BACK AFTER THE FACT TO GAIN COMPLIANCE, UH, WOULD BE, IS DIFFICULT.
SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT REALLY NO WORK, UH, UH, HAPPENS UNTIL WE ARE, UM, SATISFIED THAT APPROPRIATE FINANCING.
THERE'S A SCHEDULE, A BUILDING SCHEDULE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AS, AS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING COMMISSION OR THE, THE ZONING, UH, CODE, UH, AS LONG AS THERE IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY WITH THE BUILDING AND, UH, FOR THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR FACILITY, WE ARE, WE ARE SATISFIED.
HOWEVER, UH, IT'S STAFF'S VIEW THAT A SIMPLE DROP LOT FACILITY FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DURING THE DISCUSSION, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE GATEWAY NATURE OF THE LOCATION QUITE A BIT.
I'VE MADE, I'VE, I THINK I'VE, I'VE HAMMERED HOME THAT POINT, UH, MEMBERS FELT THAT A REPAIR FACILITY IS, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, BUT A SIMPLE DROP LOT ISN'T.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE BUILDING DESIGN, UH, IN CLADDING.
THE PLAN BOARD, UH, VOTED THREE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND A APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THESE FIVE CONDITIONS.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, WAS FINE WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, AT THE MEETING.
UH, AND, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF, UH, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM OR, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON OR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? DAN? AARON, DID YOU SAY THERE'S 10 PARKING SPACES? 12.
SO IF A TRUCK DRIVER PULLS IN THERE, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE, UH, IT'S MOST LIKELY ON HIS CAB, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I BE THERE IS TRAILER MAINTENANCE, BUT FOR THE MOST, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MOST OF IT IS, IS RELATED TO THE TRACTOR ITSELF.
SO IF THE, IF THE CAB HAS TO BE LEFT THERE OVERNIGHT, HOW DOES THE DRIVER WHO'S IN TRANSIT, MAYBE FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER, GET TO A HOTEL? UH, AS MY UNDERSTANDING, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT DRIVER WOULD THEN UBER TO A HOTEL OR MAKE SOME OTHER ARRANGEMENT TO GO FROM HERE TO, UH, THE HOTEL ON BRANDT OR, OR, OR WHEREVER.
BUT THAT, THAT OVERNIGHT STAY, UH, IS, IS NOT, WILL NOT BE PERMITTED HERE.
REAL QUICK, AND I'LL GET IT ON IT.
SO JUST THE QUESTION IS, AND I THINK WE KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS IN OTHER CASES WHERE, SO WHAT IF WE DO SEE THAT THAT'S BEING VIOLATED AND IT'S BEING USED AS BASICALLY AN OVERNIGHT TYPE TRUCK STOP.
SO WE SAY THAT IT'S NOT PERMITTED, BUT WHAT ARE
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THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT WITHIN THE ZONING CODE? HOW ARE THEY CITED AND THEN WHAT KEEPS 'EM FROM CONTINUING TO DO THAT? YEAH, SO, UM, IT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR, YOU KNOW, FIRST OFF WE WOULD MAKE CONTACT WITH THE, THE OWNER OR THE ONSITE MANAGER WHOMEVER'S IN CHARGE, UM, REITERATE THAT THIS WAS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE.UM, IF THEY DON'T COMPLY, THEN WE START TO ESCALATE THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION LIKE ANY OTHER, UM, PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING CODE AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT, WE WANT COMPLIANCE.
WE GENTLE, UH, PERSUASION FIRST AND THEN WE WOULD ESCALATE IT.
I, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK FOR MOST OF US, WE, WE DON'T WANNA SEE A TRUCK STOP, BUT I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REST AND IF IT'S, AND, AND THE DRIVER IS, IS AWAY AND THEN COMES BACK AND READY TO GO, I THINK THAT IS, UM, IN THE, IN THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR TRUCKERS.
AND, AND I THINK OF THAT AS THE, UM, UM, INTENT OF THE, OF THE COUNCIL.
WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THAT IS THOSE I IS MEMORIALIZED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE OR, OR CONSEQUENCE OR WHATEVER.
BUT YEAH, THAT, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN OUR DETAILED YEAH.
PLAN, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S JUST GONNA BE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO CORRECT.
I CERTAINLY AT LEAST MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT THOSE GUIDELINES ARE VERY, VERY DETAILED AND OUTLINED VERY EASILY TO BE SEEN AND KNOWN IN THE DETAIL PLAN OR ADD A SIXTH CONDITION TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
A WHAT ADD A SIXTH CONDITION THAT WOULD EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT, UM, LODGING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD OR, OR OVERNIGHT SLEEPING ON SITE IN THE, IN THE CABS.
UM, I THINK YOU, YOU BRING UP A, A, A POINT MAYOR THAT I WANTED TO, TO SORT OF ASK, ASK THE, UH, PLAN.
I THINK PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION IN THIS AREA AS IT RELATES TO TRUCK STOPS.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED, UM, INFORMALLY OF A NATIONAL CHAIN WHO WANTS TO LOCATE IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY AS WELL ON THAT, UNRELATED TO THIS CASE, BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.
THIS IS NOT THE TRADITIONAL LOVES FLYING JAY, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M NOT AGAINST DRIVERS NEEDING REST AND HAVING A PLACE TO REST.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED IS 12 SPOTS.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WHEN THERE'S NO OVERFLOW? SO LIKE 12 IS NOT ENOUGH.
AND I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE LIKE THIS MORNING GOT ON THE HIGHWAY GOING EAST AND THERE WAS TWO SEMIS ON THE SIDEBURN RIGHT OF RAMP PIKE PARKED AT 6:00 AM SO HOW DO WE FOLLOW UP WITH, THIS IS FULL, KEEP GOING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME OTHER SIGN OR WHO'S GONNA BE ON SITE TO MANAGE IT EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RULES ARE FOLLOWED.
SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR THAT KIND OF OKAY DETAIL.
UM, THERE IS ROOM, LIKE SAY, LET'S SAY THE, UH, THE DEMAND IS GREATER THAN WHAT WE, OR WHAT THEY ARE EXPECTING.
INITIALLY THERE IS ROOM TO EXPAND IF, BUT AGAIN, THAT KIND OF EXPANSION WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BODY, UH, AS A MAJOR CHANGE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE COULD SORT OF FERRET OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS IN THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND WHAT'S THE BARRIER ON THE PROPERTY? I'M SORRY MAYOR, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MENTION.
WHAT'S THE BARRIER AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE SCREENED? SO NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD BE ADJACENT TO OR DRIVING BY WOULD NOT BE, SO THERE IS ROUGHLY 30 TO 40 FEET BETWEEN, UM, 2 35, WHICH IS HERE.
AND THEN, UH, THE EDGE OF THE PAVE PAVEMENT, OR SORRY, THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S A ROW OF TREES.
THOSE TREES ARE LIKELY TO BE IN A FENCE LINE.
THOSE TREES ARE LIKELY TO BE, UM, CUT DOWN AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR WATER, UM, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE MARCH DOWN 2 35.
THIS IS ALSO O DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO WE WILL BE REQUIRING EXTENSIVE SCREENING AND PLANTINGS ALONG HERE.
UM, A AS AND AND HEAVY LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT 2 35, UH, EDGE.
WHEN YOU GET BACK INTO TECHNOLOGY, IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL BACK THERE.
SO THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF LOOK LIKE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UH, AARON, I KNOW WE'VE, UM, WE'LL BE WAITING ON THE DETAILS, BUT WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE GATEWAY, ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR SIGNAGE ISSUES THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD PRESENT WITH REGARDS TO A GATEWAY APPEARANCE?
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UM, ARE THERE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THEY PERMITTED THAT TYPICAL HIGHWAY PYLON? UM, THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF WHERE A HIGHLIGHT HIGHWAY PYLON WOULD BE PERMITTED, UM, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW, SUGGEST THAT TO BE ALLOWED ANYWAY.UM, THERE'S NOT BEEN A SIGN PACKAGE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, I EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD COME IN FOR THE DETAILED, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS, UM, UH, SORT OF A CARRIAGE TRADE KIND OF, UH, USE.
SO THEY'RE NOT RELYING ON PEOPLE DRIVING BY AND OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PLACE.
SO I THINK THE, THE SIGNAGE WILL BE FAIRLY MUTED.
UM, COULD, WE COULD ENVISION A, A SMALL BUILDING SIGN, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE A, UH, GROUND MOUNTED SIGN AT ARTS.
UM, BUT MOST OF THAT IS IN O RIGHT OF WAY OR ALONG 2 35.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A PLACE TO PUT A GROUND SIGN THAT WOULD BE DECENTLY VISIBLE ALONG 2 35.
UM, BACK TO THE, UH, CAPACITY IF, IS THIS GONNA HAVE JUST TWO MAINTENANCE BAYS? UH, THAT IS, YES.
WELL IF WE HAVE TWO MAINTENANCE BAYS AND WE HAVE 12 PARKING SPACES, WHY WOULD WE EVER REACH CAPACITY? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE BULK OF THE USE WOULD BE FOR THOSE TRANSIENT, UH, DRIVERS WHO ARE STAYING OVERNIGHT, UM, SOMEWHERE ELSE DROPPING THEIR, THEIR TRAILER OR THEIR TRAILER AND RIG, UH, HERE RESTING FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY NEED TO REST, UM, UNDER, UNDER THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN, UH, WHICH WOULD BE THE BULK OF THE, THE PARKING ON THIS SITE.
UM, THE, THE MAINTENANCE I THINK IS MORE OF A SECONDARY, UH, APPLICATION OR A SECONDARY USE.
IT MAY GROW, BUT, UM, THE INITIAL, UH, THE INITIAL APPLICATION WAS FOR A, A TRUCK OVERNIGHT PARKING FACILITY WITH A FUTURE USE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE MAINTENANCE, UM, SERVICE.
THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE WAS NOT THE, UM, PRIMARY, UH, USE, NOR WAS IT IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION.
IT WAS JUST LINED OUT AS A FUTURE BUILDING.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OCCURRED NOW BECAUSE, UM, HAVING THAT OCCUR LATER WAS, WAS WE THOUGHT UNLIKELY GIVEN THE DROP LOTS THAT ARE BEING, UM, CONSTRUCTED IN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, WE WANTED TO AVOID THAT.
OKAY, SO IT'S PRIMARILY A ARREST STOP.
SO, UM, HOW FAR AWAY IS THE NEAREST WAY STATION? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE TRUCKS COMING IN THERE ARE, THAT THE SURFACE IS BEING BUILT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STANDARD, RIGHT? FOR THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CARRYING.
YEAH, SO OUR ENGINEER WOULD, WOULD LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENDED USE WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS FOR, FOR PARKING AREAS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
UM, THAT IS ALSO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, NOT A GRAVEL LOT.
SO I THINK IS THE INTENT, MOST OF THIS WOULD BE USED FOR LO LOCAL DRIVERS, PEOPLE THAT LIVE CLOSE TO THE AREA TO BE ABLE TO COME HOME, DROP THE LOT OVERNIGHT I, AND THEN HOP BACK IN AND TAKE BACK OFF THE NEXT DAY.
I MEAN, IS IT FOR LOCAL DRIVERS? IF WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING THAT THIS IS, UH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE CASE.
UH, WHAT I WOULD HOPE THEN IS ALSO IS USED BY LOCAL DRIVERS WHO THEN HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR TRACTOR OTHER THAN THEIR IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT HIS INTENT LARGELY FOR, FOR SEMI-LOCAL, UM, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER IS AN OVER THE ROAD TRUCK DRIVER HIMSELF.
SO I REMEMBER WE HAD, UH, LIKE WHILE COVID WAS GOING ON, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER WE HAD, CUZ WE TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE MARY MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER AND WE HAD ALLOWED KIND OF SOME EMERGENCY, UM, PARKING THERE WHILE COVID WAS GOING ON FOR, FOR TRUCKERS WHO OUGHT TO PARK OVERNIGHT THERE AND THEN LEAVE.
AND IF THEY WERE THERE LONGER, THEY WERE GETTING RED TAGGED.
I MEAN THAT KIND OF THING FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
BUT WE DID DO THAT AT ONE POINT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO, TO PARK THERE.
SO I, IN, IN MY MIND AND LOCAL DRIVERS ARE WHO USED THAT, WE WEREN'T GETTING, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE ON THEIR WAY FROM, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK TO NEVADA PARKING AT MARION MEADOWS.
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SPENDING THE NIGHT.SOMEBODY WAS COMING TO PICK 'EM UP, TAKING 'EM HOME AND THEY WERE BACK IN THE TRUCK THE NEXT DAY AND THEY WERE, AND THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY.
SO, AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES RECENTLY WITH TRUCKERS PARKING AT THE ROSE OVERNIGHT, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I I I DO THINK THERE'S A MARKET FOR HERE FOR IT.
I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO ASK THE APPLICANT THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF, OF THE, THE OPERATIONS, HOW IT INTENDS TO MARKET.
WE DID NOT HAVE, WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS UNAVAILABLE.
HE WAS ON THE ROAD WORKING, HE WAS NOT THERE.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, ED, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, AARON, THIS IS KIND OF GOING TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, QUESTION, COMMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE, WHICH DOES APPLY TO THIS.
UM, AS AN EARLY COUNCIL MEMBER, YOUNG COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, UM, I WAS TOLD BY A VETERAN COUNCIL MEMBER AT THE TIME THAT IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR HUBER CITY COUNCIL TO GET RID OF THE TRUCK STOPS THAT WERE IN HUBER.
AND THE MAIN REASON, AND THE CONCERN WAS THE ILLEGAL, UM, ACTIVITY THAT WAS COMING WITH THEM THAT IS KNOWN AND ILLEGAL ACTIVITY CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY WAS PROSTITUTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DRUGS THROWN INTO, BUT ANYWAY, UM, IT, I WASN'T ON COUNCIL.
I DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE IT WAS FIXED BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.
SO I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA OPEN UP THAT CAN OF WORMS AGAIN, ACCIDENTALLY CORRECT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT FURTHER CONVERSATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS OF THE OWNER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I, I KNOW THAT IS A CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD OF BEFORE ON COUNCIL.
I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A CONCERN AT THIS SPOT BECAUSE IT'S, AS FAR AS TRUCK PARKING FACILITIES GO, THIS IS REALLY SMALL.
UM, IN THE ZONING RESOLUTIONS THAT I'VE WRITTEN FOR TOWNSHIPS THAT ARE ALONG HIGHWAYS, YOU KNOW, I CAPPED THE, THE PARKING, THE OVERNIGHT PARKING AT, AT AROUND 25 FOR THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE A HUNDRED, 150 SPACE MEGA FACILITIES, THERE ARE, UM, ACCESSORY USES THAT, THAT ARE UNINTENDED, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, THAT OCCUR THERE.
TO YOUR POINT, SO, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN KIND OF ITEMIZE DOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, PAST EXAMPLES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IT CAN BE CONTAINED AND CONTROLLED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE, WITH THE LARGE LOTS WHERE THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SIGHT LINES, THEY ARE HIDDEN IN THE BACK.
YOU HAVE ROWS AND ROWS AND ROWS OF TRUCKS.
UM, THIS, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF SIGHT LINES.
THERE'S NO REAL PLACE TO HIDE, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, IT'S THE BIG FACILITIES WHERE YOU GET THE, THE OTHER ISSUES THAT OCCUR IN THE, IN THE SHADOWS OF THE TRUCKING ROSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
I, I THINK, THINK I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A, A SIXTH CONDITION IN, IN THAT, GOING BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, JUST REALLY STATING THAT THIS IS VERY CLEAR, NOT A OVERNIGHT SLEEPOVER.
I MEAN, IS ANYBODY OBJECT TO HAVING THAT NO CONDITION ADDED TO THE ADDED TO THE PLANNING? BACK TO COUNSEL? WE'RE BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL, WHO IS GOING TO BE STAFFING THIS EVERY DAY SO WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE COMPLIANT OR IS IT LOCKED AT 8:00 PM AND SO IF THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PROBABLY FOR YOU OR THE APPLICANT, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I, I WOULD PREFER YOU DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
CAUSE IS HE HERE? HE IS, YEAH.
WE, WE DID NOT GET INTO THOSE OPERATIONAL DETAILS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CUZ THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER WASN'T THERE.
SO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU COULD COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? JUST ME OR CAN THE OWNER COME? YEAH, UM, YEAH, BOTH.
WHO, WHOEVER HAS ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS,
I'M THE ENGINEER, THE SITE ENGINEER AND THE NAME THAT'S, THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE OWNER AND IT'S
AND UM, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WERE ASKING HERE, UM, WE DID START OUT THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THIS PREDOMINANTLY FOR THE, FOR, UM, ALLOWING TRUCKS TO STOP.
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THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE WITH PLANNING, THEY BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AND EMPHASIZING THAT.AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE CAN SEE A NEED, YOU HAVE TRUCKS THERE THAT THEY CAN MAYBE DROP OFF IF THEY, IF THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE AND BRING 'EM OVER AND, AND HAVE THE, THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS AS WELL.
THAT WILL ALSO BE A PLACE WHERE THE BE, THIS IS A SECURED SPOT.
AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE PUT THIS MANY, UM, TRUCKING, UH, SPACE IS IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, BUT WE, WE, WE DID WHITTLE IT DOWN TO THIS, BUT THE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THE ROOM THERE TO THE SOUTH TO ADD ON IF IT, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THERE, THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE PARKING.
WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE, UM, AT THE PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH I, I THINK IS A GOOD THOUGHT IS, UH, ANOTHER USE FOR IT.
AND I THINK, UH, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT IS THE LOCALS HERE THAT ARE TRUCK DRIVERS AND THEY COME HOME AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR TRUCK SO THEY COULD POTENTIALLY RENT THE SPACE NOW WHEN THEY RENT IT, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE HOME FOR A COUPLE DAYS.
SO THOSE WOULD BE SPECIAL PLACES THAT THEY, SO THAT THEY DON'T TAKE UP THE, THE OTHER STORAGE SPOTS.
IS THAT PART OF THE INTENTION TO ACTUALLY LEASE SOME OF THAT SPACE? IS THAT PART OF YOUR MODEL? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE'D DO.
NOW THIS IS A GATED AREA AND IT'S GONNA BE CONTROLLED ON WHO CAN COME IN AND WHO CAN'T COME OUT.
IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM THEN, THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO COME IN.
BUT YES, THE, WELL THE, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPAND THERE TO THE SOUTH TO PROVIDE MORE ROOM.
THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMING AND, AND USING IT FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR REST HOURS.
UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST AN OVERNIGHT THING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE GONE AND MAYBE DURING THE DAY TOO.
HOPEFULLY DURING THE DAY, NOT JUST AT NIGHT THAT, THAT THEY COME GET THEIR, THEIR HOURS ASLEEP AND COME BACK AND THEN THEY TAKE OFF AND THEY GO AND THEN, AND UM, AS FAR AS THE A AVAILABILITY, IT'LL, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME FORM OF ADVERTISING.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE DETAIL ON THAT YET.
MAYBE JUST THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PHONES AND THE INTERNETS AND, AND FINDING OUT IF THERE'S STORAGE AVAILABLE FOR OR IS THERE AVAILABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE GATED AND CONTROLLED THAT WAY.
NOW IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND IT COMES THERE AND IT'S FULL AND THEY PARK ON THE STREET, I MEAN, WE CAN PUT SIGNS UP THAT SAY YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE DO, BUT JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY COULD PARK ANYWHERE THEY WANT AND WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
BUT IF OUR LOT'S FULL AND THEY CAN'T GET IN OR THERE'S NO ROOM FOR 'EM, THEN THEY WON'T GET IN THERE.
SO, AND, AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE STAYING.
WE WANT 'EM TO LEAVE AND THAT'S GONNA CONTROL THAT SITUATION YOU BROUGHT UP.
SO DOES GATED ENTRY MEAN THERE'S A PASSCODE TO GET IN TO OPEN IT.
LIKE A, LIKE, I'M GONNA GO TO A STORAGE FACILITY.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE SITE WE GOT, WE'LL HAVE A BUILDING HERE, AND THEY'LL HAVE AN OFFICE.
IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE IT MAINTAINED IN SOME FORM THAT, SO BACK TO MS. BAKER'S QUESTION ABOUT STAFFING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IF IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY OR GATED PROPERTY, UM, IF IT'S FULL, WHEN, HOW IS SOMEBODY, IS THERE GONNA BE SOMEBODY THERE ALL THE TIME LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, IT'S FULL AND YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET, SO YOU NEED TO, UM, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STAFFING ISSUE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT THAT DETAIL.
I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT, BUT THE POINT IS, WE WILL CONTROL WHETHER THEY CAN COME IN OR NOT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE, HAVE THE CONTROL OF HOW TO JUST PUSH BUTTONS TO GET IN.
SO, KATE, IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU WANNA EXPAND ON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, SO LIKE, MAYBE YOU'D HAVE A NO VACANCY SIGN AND PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT THERE'S NO ROOM IF THAT'S YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION EXCEPT TO ME, BY THE TIME THEY SEE IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'D GO MAKE A TURNAROUND TO GO BACK TO THE, LIKE, I'M, I JUST, THERE'S NO WAY TO TURN AROUND.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO TURN AROUND IF THEY GET OUT OF THERE FOR THEM, OTHER THAN COMING IN YOUR LOT AND ATTORNEY LIKE, SO THAT'S, WE CAN GO DOWN TO THE CUL-DE-SAC DOWN AT THE END OF THE STREET.
THANK YOU FOR FILLING THAT IN FOR ME.
SO, SO I THINK MO I, I THINK IN GENERAL, RIGHT, WE, I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NEED, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, I THINK PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE IS CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO I THINK JUST MO, YOU KNOW, MOVING THIS THING FORWARD, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO MINIMIZE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T STOP EVERY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, BUT CERTAINLY TO MINIMIZE THE ENTERTAINMENT CONSEQUENCES THAT WE DON'T WANT.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET THERE.
YOU, YOU, YOU PULL OFF THE HIGHWAY, AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS AN ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN, AND ALL YOU SEE IS, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS ALL UP AND DOWN 2 35 THERE TRYING TO PULL OFF.
AND IT'S, I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT.
SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT HOW IS IT GONNA BE STAFFED? IS
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IT GONNA BE 24 HOURS? BECAUSE IF, IF, IF YOU'RE THE ONES LETTING PEOPLE IN, IF WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ACCESS AND IT'S NOT FULL ON A TUESDAY NIGHT AT TWO IN THE MORNING AND SOMEBODY PULLS IN THERE, WELL, SOMEONE'S GOTTA LET 'EM IN SO THEY'RE NOT PARKING ON THE, ON THE STREET OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.SO, SO THOSE, THAT INFORMATION I THINK IS VERY CRITICAL TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH A BUNCH OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
WE, LIKE, I, AT LEAST I LIKE THE IDEA ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
I LIKE THE INTENT AND INTEGRITY BEHIND IT.
IT'S ALL THE OTHER UNKNOWNS THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO WORK AT ELIMINATING BEFORE A BASIC DETAILED PLAN IS APPROVED BEFORE WE SIGN OFF AND SAY, YEAH, THAT LOOKS GOOD, AND EVEN SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THAT WOULD, THOSE WOULD BE MY CONCERNS.
AND I, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, MY POINT IS, THE ONLY WAY THAT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY I'M THINKING OF DOING IT IS IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MANNED.
OKAY? WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE A BUILDING THERE THAT CAN HAVE AN OFFICE IN IT THAT CAN CONTROL THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE CAN LET PEOPLE IN AND LET PEOPLE OUT AT, AT WHATEVER HOURS.
NOW, THE CONVENIENCE OF LETTING THEM KNOW BEFORE THEY GET OFF AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER THERE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT THAT PART YET.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE ON HOW IT'S BEST TO BE ADVERTISED.
IF, IF IT CAN BE DONE BY OVER, OVER THE, THE PHONE.
SO YOU CAN CHECK IN AND SAY, IS THERE AVAILABILITY OR NOT? BEFORE YOU EVEN GET OFF, IF THEY NEED SOMETHING AND THEY NEED TO FIND A PLACE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT YOU CAN CHECK IN AND SAY, OKAY, THIS PLACE IS FULL.
AND SURE, THEY'LL GO DO WHATEVER ELSE THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE OFFICE AND HAVING IT MANNED, BUT I MEAN, EVERY STORAGE PLACE THAT YOU GO TO, THEY HAVE OFFICES TOO, BUT ONCE YOU GET TO FIVE O'CLOCK, THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S A CONCERN.
I'M SUPPOSED TO BE AFTER KATE
THE DETAILS FOR THE OPERATIONAL PLANS WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED DURING THE, THE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? UM, NO.
SO THEY WOULD BE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A PHASING PLAN AND OP, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS ALSO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL OF THAT, UM, CONDITIONS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I THINK WE, WE HAVE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS FOR OUR TRUCKERS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT SMARTLY.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE OPERATIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS ARE.
BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN AT LEAST THEY'LL GET SOME REVIEW.
UM, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS SOME GUIDANCE FROM US.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS GUIDANCE ON, ON THE OVERALL AREA AND, AND, AND TRUCK STOPS IN GENERAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE GUIDANCE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, THANKS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE, UM, ON, ON COMMISSION NUMBER, OR COMMISSION, EXCUSE ME, CONDITION NUMBER THREE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A, A PHASING AND OPERATIONS PLAN.
SO THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE THE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE BOTH LEGISLATIVELY THAT WE'RE REQUIRING IT.
AND THEN, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WILL REVIEW NOT ONLY STAFFING THE PLANNING, WE'LL ALSO REVIEW WITH POLICE AND ZONING INSPECTION AS WELL TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THAT.
DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, ADDRESSING THIS, NOT JUST NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE IF WE WERE TO BE APPROACHED BY A NATIONAL CHAIN? YES.
I HAVE FOUR CONCERNS THAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE THAT WILL GO INTO THE DE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DISCUSSION THAT I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE WITH THE APPLICANT, WHICH WOULD BE THE ADVERTISING ISSUE, THE STAFFING AND, AND OPERATIONAL PARKING ON THE STREET, UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS UP AND DOWN 2 35.
UH, AND THEN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, I, I JUST WROTE DOWN, I WILL HAVE REC, I CAN HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ABSENT OF THIS CASE.
UM, SORT OF GUIDANCE TO, TO MR. LYONS TO YOUR LARGER POINT ABOUT THE, THE LARGE TRUCK STOP FACILITIES.
LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE'S PRETTY SMALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT I, I CAN PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FROM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND, UM, AND SORT OF BEST PRACTICES ON, ON HOW TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES OR THE, THE APPROPRIATE SIZE LIMITATIONS OF, OF THOSE BIG NATIONAL CHAINS.
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IT WOULD SEEM LIKE WE SHOULD BE AT LEAST PREPARED.I AGREE WITH THAT, WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
YOU'LL KEEP A APPRISED WHEN A GOOD TIME WOULD BE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE YES.
WHICH IS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SCHEDULES ARE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I MEAN THAT THE, THE OVERALL ISSUE OF THE LARGER SCALE TRUCK STOPS CERTAINLY WOULD BE WORTHY OF A, OF A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
MARK WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN A SECOND.
WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO MARK.
DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN, UH, DOING THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PREVIOUSLY? UH, WELL, AS FAR AS FROM MY ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, I CAN, I KNOW I'VE DESIGNED PARKING LOTS FOR TRUCKS.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE GATE AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S MANNED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING, UH, WE CAN WORK OUT AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST.
ONLY THING I, IF, IF I'M, IF WE'RE BEING REQUIRED TO HAVE A, AN OPERATIONAL, UM, METHOD OF HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE, I, I CAN'T WING IN HERE TONIGHT, BUT I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO GET SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT.
I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT, BUT GATED IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE CAN CONTROL EVERYTHING INSIDE OUR PLACE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE STREETS AND STUFF, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT SIGNS UP FOR WHAT I THINK THE OPERATIONAL, THE OPERATIONAL PLAN WILL HELP.
IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THE, UM, MAINTENANCE FACILITY, IF NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT, IT, IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THIS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT CREATING A, A TRUCK DROP LOT AND, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, UH, WORKED THIS OUT WITH YOU THAT YOU WILL ADD A MAINTENANCE COMPONENT TO THIS, UH, AS WELL.
SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MAINTENANCE COMPONENT? WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THIS, UH, MAINTENANCE, UH, COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT? WHAT DO YOU ENVISION HAPPENING THERE? GO AHEAD.
DO YOU WANT TO TALK? NO, GO AHEAD.
YOU, YOU THOUGHT
UH, THE, UM, EVEN IF, UM, HE MAY NOT BE THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY RUNNING THE BUSINESS, HE MAY LEASE THAT OUT TO SOMEBODY THAT WORKS ON THOSE.
AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT HE, THEY'D BE LEASING OUT WOULD BE THE, A FACILITY THAT HAS ALL THE, ALL THE, EVERYTHING IN IT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
IT HAS TWO BAYS, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO WORK ON.
AND, UM, AND THEN IT'LL HAVE A COUPLE, WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN A COUPLE AREAS FOR, UH, FOR WHERE THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GETTING WORKED ON.
UM, IT'S, IT IS, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON HOW THE USAGE, IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS BECOMES A, A BIG PLACE FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO BRING THEIR TRUCKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE THINGS.
BUT YOU, THOSE WILL JUST BE CABS.
THOSE AREN'T GONNA BE THE TRAILERS.
THE OTHER ONES THAT GOT THE TRAILERS, WE GOTTA PROVIDE MORE ROOM FOR 'EM.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA BE A PLACE TO, UM, BECAUSE OF, OF THE REQUEST OF HAVING A BUILDING, WE DIDN'T JUST WANT TO HAVE A BIG, THAT BIG OF A BUILDING TO JUST BE AN OFFICE.
SO WE TURNED THAT INTO A MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR THE PRACTICALITY OF THERE'S VEHICLES IN THE AREA, THEY'RE GETTING OFF, THEY MIGHT BE HAVING TROUBLE.
THIS IS THE TIME THEY HAVE MY VEHICLE CHECKED WHILE I'M HERE, AND ABSOLUTELY DO IT OVERNIGHT.
SO THE, UM, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, I KNOW A NUMBER OF OVER THE ROAD DRIVERS, UH, THAT LIVE HERE IN HUBER, UH, UH, THIS TYPE OF FACILITY IS NEEDED.
UH, AND, UM, SO I DO, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, SOME OF THEM, UH, I KNOW HAVE LONG-TERM LEASES WITH, UM, PLACES LIKE THIS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S A CONTINUAL LEASE.
THEY, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BRING THEIR TRUCK, UH, DUE TO THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY SCHEDULE AHEAD.
THAT MIGHT BE SOME ANSWER FOR YOU AS YOU LOOK DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT'S THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT EXPERIENCE IN HAVING DONE THIS, BECAUSE, UH, IN TALKING TO OVER THE ROAD DRIVERS THAT ARE HAVE, ARE LEASING LOTS AROUND THE CITY.
THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THEY DO IT.
THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR LOTS THAT THEY GO TO.
AND THEN THIS WILL BE IN A SECURE PLACE.
I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT THEY, THEY'RE OPEN LOTS.
THEY'RE GONNA WALK AWAY FROM THEIR VEHICLES, LOCK 'EM UP, AND JUST HOPE EVERYTHING'S FINE.
BUT THIS WILL BE IN A GATED AREA.
NO, WITH THE FENCE AROUND IT, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURITY.
AND AS FAR AS WE CAN SEE HOW IT GOES.
THAT'S WHY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT THAT TO SAY THIS, BUT THIS, WE HAD CONSIDERED PUTTING MORE DOWN, MORE
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ASPHALT DOWN, MORE AREA FOR THAT TO THE SOUTH, OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD GROW INTO.BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE PRO, IN THE PROCESS OF ASKING FOR AN APPROVAL ON THE ZONING CHANGE THAT WE JUST ASKED FOR THIS.
I'M, WE, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS, AARON, BUT, UM, SO I WOULD GO WITH THIS, AND THEN IF, UH, IF THE MARKET PROVES ITSELF, THEN WE CAN LOOK BACK TO EXPANSIONS.
WE CAN LOOK TOWARDS EXPANSIONS, RIGHT? YES.
AND I'D ALSO SAY THAT, I MEAN, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS ARE ON THE AGENDA REGARDING ALL OF OUR ZONING CASES THIS EVENING.
SO THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON MONDAY, CORRECT.
FOR EACH OF THESE ITEMS. UM, SO THERE'LL BE TIME AGAIN FOR COUNSEL TO ASK VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING ALL THIS.
WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ANSWER ANYTHING THEY WANT.
WE'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SPEAK AGAIN AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK AGAIN.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS ON, ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT ZONING CASES.
SO I THINK JUST, I THINK GOOD STARTING THIS ONE TONIGHT, JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, ONCE COUNSEL APPROVES A BASIC PLAN, WE DON'T SEE IT AGAIN.
SO IT'S THE TIME THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS INTENT IS WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE, AND THEN TRUST THAT PLANNING COMMISSION IS A DETAILED PLAN.
AND THEN AARON KNOWS WHAT THE INTENT OF COUNSEL IS TO ADDRESS AND GUIDE AND ADVISE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE.
SO, AND SORRY, ISAAC, SAY, WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL COUNSEL TO TUNE UP THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE AS WELL, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING.
UH, AARON, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT A REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON GETTING SOME THOUGHTS FROM US.
UM, ONE TO HAVE A JOINT SORT OF WORK SESSION WITH, UH, WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TALK ABOUT OVERALL PRIORITIES AND VISION.
UH, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING, UH, MAYBE EITHER AS, AS THE SURROGATE TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M TRYING TO ABSORB WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU AS FAR AS POLICY DIRECTION AS IT RELATES TO TRUCKING FACILITIES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA ALONG THE 2 35 CORRIDOR MOVING FORWARD.
SO I CAN PROVIDE GUIDANCE WHEN I GET INFORMAL CALLS FROM, FROM APPLICANTS OR REAL ESTATE FOLKS, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THE REQUEST THAT PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING IS VERY APPROPRIATE, AND IT'S THEIR MISSION TO SET THAT VISION.
UM, THEY OF COURSE, ARE PROVIDING THEIR GUIDANCE TO, TO YOU AS, AS, AS IT RELATES TO THEIR SPECIFIC, UM, PARCEL BASED DEVELOPMENTS.
AND, AND IT IS THEIR MISSION TO HELP GUIDE AND DIRECT THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND HOW IT DEVELOPS.
AND I, AND THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY'RE NO, NOT AT ALL.
I, I THINK WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO AVOID IS SENDING FORWARD PROJECTS THAT THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO SEE IT ALL.
SO, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, DROP LOT.
OH, UH, IT'S BASICALLY AN OPEN, UH, PARKING LOT WHERE SOMEBODY SHOWS UP, DROPS THEIR TRAILER, MOVES ON, COMES BACK, PICKS UP, IT'S AN INFORMAL TRAILER STORAGE FACILITY, BIG PARKING LOT.
SO BRIAN W WOULD THAT BE SIMILAR TO WHAT I SEE HAPPENING ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ON BOTH THE, UH, NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE? UH, YES, SIR.
IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, AT LEAST IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THIS SOUTH SIDE, UM, OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UM, IMMEDIATE TO THE WEST OF THE, UM, VERIZON STATION THERE, THAT IS WITH THAT PROPERTY IS INTENDED TO, TO DEVELOP INTO, IS A DROP OFF.
SO YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED.
CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS IN PLANNING? SO, SO THE IDEA BEHIND HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS GIVEN, UH, A PARTICULAR, UM, RELATIVE LOCATION.
WHAT IS THE, THE, THE BEST USE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND WHAT IS THE HIGHEST YIELD? UM, SO EITHER FROM, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A JOB GENERATION STANDPOINT, FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.
SO, SO HOW YOU MEASURE THAT METRIC IS, IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE.
THE WAY I LOOK AT IT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE USE YOU CAN IN THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION.
AND THAT DETERMINATION AT THAT LOCATION MIGHT COME OUT OF PLANNING AND IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINTLY PUT TOGETHER BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
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THAT WOULD BE THE VISION.UH, WE TALKED ABOUT OVERLOAD ON THE PARKING AND HOW THEY CANNOT CONTROL, THE APPLICANT CANNOT CONTROL IF SOMEBODY PARKS ON THE STREET.
UM, SO THIS, THAT IS, THAT IS TRUE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT, UH, CAPABILITIES THERE, BUT MINIMUM, WHICH I THINK IS ANOTHER ITEM WE SHOULD ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
AND NEITHER CAN WE IN, IN WHATEVER CONTROL THAT WE CAN THAT'S GONNA COST US MONEY IN POLICE SALARIES AND SUCH, IT WILL BE AN EFFORT.
AND THEN YOU USE THE WORD GATEWAY.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, THE NORTH ENTRANCE INTO, INTO THE CITY.
UH, AND SO IT SETS THE, I THINK IT SETS THE STAGE FOR THE FIRST IMPRESSION OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND, AND SOME OF THAT AESTHETIC TONE MIGHT BE SET BY REPLACING LANDSCAPING, MAINTAINING WHAT WE HAVE, LANDSCAPING, BUILDING DESIGN, SIGNAGE, ET CETERA, REDEVELOPMENT AREAS LIKE MARION MEADOWS.
AND IT'S JUST SETTING THE TONE OF WHAT WE ENVISION OUR CITY TO BE.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN TRUCK STOPS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, REPLACED WITH OTHER RETAILERS, UH, IN THE COMPREHENSION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS BEEN, UM, I THINK WELL THOUGHT OUT IN, IN A LOT OF AREAS.
AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU HARKEN BACK TO THE, THE 35 ACRE FACILITY ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THIS WAS A GATEWAY AREA, SO WE TRIED TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY THAT IS AESTHETICALLY INTERESTING AND PLEASING AS FOR THE, FOR THE MOTORIST, AND THAT NOT JUST BE, YOU KNOW, A A A SEA OF ASPHALT.
IT'S ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE AS YOU HEAD UP 2 35, SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THE MARION MEADOWS PROJECT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE, UM, A HIGHER OR BEST USE AT OUR GATEWAY OR ENTRANCE THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
THERE COULD BE, UH, IT'S, IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALLER SITE, BUT THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS TO BE, UH, UH, KIND OF A JOB GENERATOR, ECONOMIC ENGINE, AND AN, AND AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, GATEWAY INTO THE CITY.
AND WHY WOULD PLANNING COMMISSION OR STAFF REQUIRE ALL MASONRY? UM, SO THAT WAS NOT A STAFF, UM, REQUIREMENT.
THAT WAS I THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK ABOUT WHOSE IDEA WAS RIGHT.
WHY DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT SUGGESTION? BECAUSE SINCE IT IS A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY, WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE WAS A METAL PANEL BUILDING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MASONRY.
THEY WANTED IT TO REFLECT THE VALUES OF HUBER HEIGHTS AS YOU, UH, AS YOU CAME INTO, INTO THE CITY, THEY FELT THAT A, UH, A MASONRY BUILDING WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN A, UM, METAL CLAD POLE BARN.
AND, AND DEFINITELY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS DROP LOT, UH, CONCEPT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T GO THERE.
AS A STANDALONE DROP LOT, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE PUSHING FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING AND SOME OTHER USE THAT, THAT ADDS VALUE TO THIS PROPERTY AND TO THE CITY.
UM, YES, AARON, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS ON SOME VERY BASIC THINGS FOR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, OR DO YOU FEEL THAT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS, AT THIS POINT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR US TO APPROVE A, UH, REZONING OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN GOING FORWARD? SO IF, IF I WOULD SAY, UM, THAT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO TABLE THIS FOR ONE MEETING WHILE WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON SOME OF THESE DETAILS.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT IS REALLY, THAT IS, THAT IS YOUR, WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS MY GUT FEEL, WHICH IS WHY I ASK YOU THE QUESTION.
I, I DON'T THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK THE, THAT IT WOULD, UM, CAUSE IRREPARABLE HARM TO THE APPLICANT'S TIMELINE.
IF, IF WE WAIT, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 1 OR TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS WHILE WE WORK OUT SOME OF THESE DETAILS WITH THE APPLICANTS, SINCE, SINCE COUNCIL HAS RAISED THESE ISSUES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RAISE.
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SO TONY, WOULD WE MOVE, WOULD WE JUST MOVE THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, OR WOULD WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN MOVE TO MULTIPLE READINGS? I, I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S SO MANY OUTSTANDING DETAILS.SO WE'D EITHER HAVE TO LOOK AT ANNOUNCING IT AND CONTINUING IT TO A FUTURE DATE, OR JUST RESCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANOTHER DATE.
AND THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN SENT, I MEAN, THOSE AREN'T, WELL, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT OUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE COULD CANCEL IT AND RESCHEDULE IT, JUST HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISED AGAIN.
OR WE COULD LOOK AT CONTINUING IT, UH, OKAY.
AND THEN, UH, ONCE THE ORDINANCE AND THE CONDITIONS THAT WORKED OUT, THEN IT COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT BACK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ORDINANCE.
TOM, WE COME BACK TO, WILL WE COME BACK TO THE WORK SESSION OR JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL MEETING? UM, COULD DO IT.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER COUNSEL QUESTION YOU BE OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING IN FUTURE.
IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE RIGHT ANSWER.
SO, UM, WE CAN WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT.
I WOULD JUST, WE JUST NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS ON MONDAY, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH AARON AND BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE DATE.
ANY OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL TO MOVING US TO, UH, TO ANOTHER MEETING? OKAY.
THAT'S HOW WE WILL HANDLE THAT CASE.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEN WE'LL NEED TO WORK OUT WHAT YOU NEED FROM US BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD? YEAH.
AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP CONCERNING THE WATER, WHICH WAS GONNA AFFECT TIMING ANYHOW.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON IN THE FUTURE AS WELL? YEAH.
I'LL GET, UH, SOME MORE DETAILS FROM US, UM, THAT WATER TIMING.
[ Case RZ 22-41 - Baumer and Carre - Rezoning - 7767/7777 Wildcat Road]
IS ITEM THREE I, OR IS THAT L I? YEAH.UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, BOMBER AND CARR REZONING FOR 77, 67 AND 77.
YEAH, SO THIS ONE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, AS MUCH, SHOULDN'T BE AS DIFFICULT.
UH, SO THIS IS A FOUR ACRE SITE.
UM, THE TWO SITES ARE OCCUPIED BY TWO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.
UM, THE APPLICANT AT STAFF SUGGESTION, AND I BELIEVE URGING, UM, BY ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, WAS TO REZONE THE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE ABOUT FOUR ACRES FROM I ONE TO R ONE TO ALLOW, UH, FUTURE EXPANSION OF, OF AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, AND THEN FACILITATE A CONFORMING USE.
UM, SOME OF THE RECORDS ARE, ARE LITTLE, UM, SPOTTY, BUT WHAT I COULD DEDUCE IS THAT AROUND 1994, MUCH OF WILDCAT ROAD WAS, UH, ZONED TO INDUSTRIAL TO FACILITATE SOME REDEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THERE WERE THREE HOUSES ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF WILDCAT.
UM, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO EXPAND, UH, BASICALLY EXPAND HIS HOUSE FOR MEDICAL REASONS.
UM, BUT THE ZONING CODE RIGHT NOW PRECLUDES AN EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING USE.
UH, SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT FOR THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THIS PROPERTY B UH, REZONED TO R ONE.
WE ALSO, UH, CONTACTED OWNERS OF THE ADJACENT THREE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED.
UH, I, ONE, UM, ONE OWNER AT, UH, 70, 77 WILDCAT, UH, RESPONDED AND REQUESTED THAT, UH, SHE BE INCLUDED IN THIS REZONING AS WELL.
UH, HERE ARE THE TWO, UH, RESIDENTS IN QUESTION ON THE, UH, NORTH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF, UH, OF WILDCAT.
UH, AT THE TIME, ALL OF THIS WAS REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL OVER TIME.
THIS WAS THEN REZONED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
SO WHAT IS LEFT IS, UH, THESE PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF WILDCAT BEING INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN THIS, UH, REMAINING, UH, LARGE PARCEL TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.
SO THE TWO HOMES, THEY'RE BOTH CURRENTLY OCCUPIED.
UM, THE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES MEET THE, UH, R ONE DISTRICT STANDARDS.
UH, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW THE PRIMARY APPLICANT TO EXPAND AS RESIDENTS.
UH, AND ALSO I THINK THE REZONING WOULD PROBABLY FACILITATE A SMOOTHER REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, UH, IN THE FUTURE IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE TO SELL.
UM, IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS, UH, REZONING FOR R ONE OR I ONE TO R ONE IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, THEY, THE, UH, STRUCTURES ARE OCCUPIED AND, UH, THE OWNER'S PLAN TO MAINTAIN THEM AS A RESIDENTIAL USE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED, UH, THREE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND THE REZONING.
THERE WAS VERY LITTLE DISCUSSION.
ANY QUESTIONS, NANCY? UH, YES.
I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS IS COMING FORWARD.
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UM, THE, UH, NEIGHBOR WHO SAID THEY WANTED TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS MM-HMM.UH, AND THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES BOTH PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT, UH, 60, THE 77 67 AND THE 77, 70 NEW ONE SEVEN WERE TWO SEPARATE LOTS OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON? NO, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE, LOTS OWNED BY TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE.
UM, WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE THIRD PROPERTY OWNER? THEY DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE.
DOES ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ON RUSTIC WOODS OR SPRUCE, I CAN'T READ THAT STREET.
SPRUCE HILL? ARE THEY, THEY OKAY WITH THIS CHANGE? SO THEY WOULD'VE ALL BEEN NOTICED? UH, NOBODY, NO REPLY.
IN FACT, THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER FOR THEM SINCE WE'RE GOING FROM AN INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL OUR, YEAH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, COULD I JUST ASK IF, UH, DOES THIS NEED TO BE APPROVED AT ON MONDAY? OR CAN IT GO TO TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE REZONING? UH, IT CAN GO TO TWO READINGS.
IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, YEAH, 30 DAYS ISN'T GONNA MATTER.
SO I'M GONNA DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST READING, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION.
[ Case MJC 22-43 - John Kopilchack - Major Change - Basic/Detailed Development Plan - 8501 Old Troy Pike]
THREE J, CASE MJC 22 DASH 43, UH, FOR JOHN CAPOL.UH, FOR MAJOR CHANGE, UH, BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 85 0 1 ULTRA PIKE.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, UM, EXPANSION, UH, ANOTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
SO, UH, THIS IS EXPANSION, REALLY A REALLY A REAR ADDITION, UH, FOR THE CHILDREN'S, UH, FACILITY.
UH, IT'S 3.8 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
IT IS DAYTON CHILDREN'S MEDICAL CENTER.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO ADD 10,000, ROUGHLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
ADDITION TO THE, UH, BACK, UM, THERE'S A MINOR PARKING SPACE REDUCTION THAT WE BELIEVE IS, IS MINIMAL.
UH, SO HERE, HERE IS THE, UH, THE CURRENT FACILITY.
THE ADDITION IS, IS ON THE, ON THE REAR.
UH, THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THE ADDITION WILL LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS THE BUIL, THIS IS THE BUILDING BRAKE LINE OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING.
THIS WILL BE THE NEW ADDITION WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
UH, KIND OF ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE RENDERING, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S LARGELY JUST LANDSCAPE GRASSY AREA.
COUPLE PARKING SPACES WILL BE, UH, WILL BE EATEN UP WITH THIS EXPANSION.
UH, THIS SHOWS THE, THE EXPANSION THE APPLICANT IS CARRYING, UH, LARGELY THE SAME MATERIALS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE SAME, UH, LANDSCAPING THEME AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF VEGETATION SCRUBS, ET CETERA.
UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, USE CONFORMS WITH ALL THE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS IN THE EXISTING, UH, P U D.
UH, I FEEL THAT THE IMPACT ON THE PARKING IS NEGLIGIBLE.
THE APPLICANTS, UH, PROVIDING 153, UH, IN SIMILAR, UH, FACILITIES AROUND THE REGION WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THESE, THEY USUALLY PROVIDE ABOUT 140 SPACES, UH, BETWEEN 135 AND 140.
SO, UM, THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR THIS, UH, SITE.
UM, THE EXPANSION WILL ADD 12 ADDITIONAL EXAM ROOMS, UH, BRINGING THE TOTAL OF 40 EXAM ROOMS, UM, AND, UH, STAFF DEALS AT THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OUTLINED IN THE CODE CAN BE SATISFIED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 3.0 TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON? OKAY.
WILL THERE BE A NEW SIGN PACKAGE OR ARE THEY GONNA KEEP WITH THE YEAR 16 SIGNAGE? THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE SO.
THERE WAS NO SIGN PACKAGE, UH, SUBMITTED.
THEY'LL NEED TO COME BACK FOR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO IF, IF THEY WANT TO ADD A SMALLER WALT SIGN, WE WILL, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THERE.
BUT I BELIEVE THE SAME THEME AND THE, THE, THERE'S VERY, THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PLANNED FOR THE EXISTING ENTRANCE OR SIGNAGE THAT'S ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE WILL ADDRESS, IF, IF THEY DO WANT WALL SIGNS IN THE BACK, WE WOULD ADDRESS IT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD, UM, I DOUBT THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE SIGNAGE THAN WHAT IS RE ALLOWED IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE.
ANY OBJECTIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARING? AND THIS THE SAME THING WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF TWO READINGS.
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HARD.UM, SO I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE IT IN TWO READINGS AT ONE MEETING IF POSSIBLE, BUT THAT IS UP TO YOU.
UH, WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR A MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING, AND THEN WE'LL JUST, WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF SEE SIX VOTES.
SO WE'LL, UM, WE'LL PUT IT, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS A MOTION TO WAIVE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN COUNT DETERMINE.
WE'LL JUST GO TO A SECOND READING.
MAYOR IS JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
COULD YOU TELL ME THEIR TIMELINE FOR BUILDING? WOULD YOU BE UP BY WINTER OR COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BE SEEING PATIENTS IN THERE IN ABOUT A YEAR.
FEBRUARY ONE IS THE TARGET DATE TO SEE PATIENTS.
HE HENCE OUR HURRY, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.
OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO ANY OBJECTION TO MONDAY THEN.
[ Case TA 22-42.1 - City Of Huber Heights - Text Amendment - Home Occupations]
UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS CASE TA 22 DASH 42.1.CITY HEBREW HEIGHTS TEXT AMENDMENT FOR HOME OCCUPATION.
UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE A SERIES OF FOUR TEXT AMENDMENTS, UM, IN THE CODE.
UM, SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE HOME OCCUPATIONS, WE WANTED TO EXPAND, UM, THE, AND ALLOW A GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORKING AT HOME.
UH, MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME.
UH, THEY HAVE EXPANDED, UM, AND ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKE IT EASIER.
ALSO, THE TRADITIONAL CONCERNS FROM WORK AT HOME, WHICH WERE DELIVERY VEHICLES MAINLY, UH, HAS HAVE LARGELY VANISHED SINCE, UH, AMAZON AND ETSY ARE PRETTY UBIQUITOUS, AND YOU SEE DELIVERY TRUCKS ALL THE TIME.
SO THE, THE FEAR OF STREETS ALIGNED WITH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, UM, THROUGH HOME OCCUPATION, UM, EXPANSION IS, IS PRETTY MUCH, UM, VANISHED.
UH, I'M ONLY GONNA HIGHLIGHT THE CHANGES THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FROM THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
UM, SO THE FIRST CHANGE IS THAT WE ARE, UM, UM, RECOMMENDING THAT WE ALLOW THE HOME OCCUPATION IN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AS WELL.
UH, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SMALL HOME SHOPS OR MAY HAVE AN OFFICE IN A GARAGE.
UH, RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
WE THINK, UM, ADDING, ALLOWING THAT WOULD, WOULD BROADEN THE, UM, BROADEN THE, THE, THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO WORK FROM HOME.
UM, WE ARE ADDING OR SUGGESTING THAT WE ADD THE PROVISION TO ALLOW ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON WHO DOES NOT RESIDE AT THE HOME, UM, TO, TO WORK THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT OR AN ATTORNEY WORKING OUTTA YOUR HOUSE DURING TAX SEASON, YOU MAY BRING IN SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, AS, AS, UH, AS HELP.
THIS WOULD NOW MAKE THAT, THAT LEGAL.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO PUT ANY SIGNAGE, UH, ADVERTISING YOUR HOME OCCUPATION.
WE ARE PROPOSING ONE FOUR FOOT, FOUR SQUARE FOOT SIGN.
SO TWO BY TWO, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE ON THE, UH, THE PREMISE ITSELF, UM, WITHOUT A PERMIT NON ILLUMINATED, UNLESS YOU HAVE A PORCH LIGHT, BUT BASICALLY A SMALL, UH, A SMALL SIGN TO ADVERTISE YOUR, UH, YOUR HOME OCCUPATION.
COULD IT BE IN YOUR YARD? NO, IT'S ONLY THE BUILDING, BUILDING ONLY AS, AS WE'RE PROPOSING JUST ON THE WALL OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, NOT A, NOT A YARD SIGN.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU FEEL IS, UH, IS WARRANTED, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO, UH, TO THIS ORDINANCE.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A SMALL SIGN THAT WOULD GO ON THE BUILDING.
SINCE THESE ARE LARGELY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID ADDITIONAL YARD SIGNS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE RUNNING A, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR, MAY, UH, IF SOMEONE WERE RUNNING A, A TAX SERVICE, A SEASONAL TAX SERVICE, SO IF, SO, IF SOMEONE WERE RUNNING LIKE A SEASONAL TAX SERVICE OR A BEAUTY SHOP OR SOMETHING IN THEIR HOUSE OR, UM, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY MOUNT THE SIGN ON THEIR BUILDING.
AND WHAT IF THEY HAD A BRICK STRUCTURE? SO AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, YES.
UH, SO FOR, FOR SOMEBODY WHO OWNS, LIKE, RUNS A SALON OF OUR HOUSE OR SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT YEAR ROUND, THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THE, THE SIGN TO BE AFFIXED TO THE BUILDING AS IT'S DRAFTED.
NOW, IF IT IS MORE OF A TEMPORARY, UH, TYPE OF USE OR USE THAT, THAT LIKE TAX THAT FIRES UP FROM DECEMBER TO APRIL, UM, THEY COULD ALWAYS APPLY FOR A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT, UM, FOR THAT SIX MONTH TAX SEASON.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE DRAFTED IT, UH, SO TO MINIMIZE THE, THE IMPACT
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FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, SO IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A RESONANCE, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE A SIGN OF FIX TO THE WALL.I, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF SOMEONE WERE DOING APPLIANCE REPAIR OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT I JUST CAN'T, I COULDN'T SEE THAT POSTED IN THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT THEY, I MEAN, IF PEOPLE DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY'S COMING TO YOUR SPECIFIC TAX OFFICE CUZ YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR HOUSE, THEY HAVE YOUR ADDRESS, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND GOING, OH, HEY, THERE'S A TAX SERVICE.
CUZ SEE A SIGN ON THEIR HOUSE AND PULL IN AND SAY, GET YOUR TAXES DONE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
I, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE IDEA OF LOOKING DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING A BUNCH OF SIGNS AND YARDS FOR TEMPORARY OR NOT THAT MESS WITH THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS, AS YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN.
I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT CULTURE AND, AND, AND ENVIRONMENT AND ATMOSPHERE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON THAT, THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT.
BUT IF, BUT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS, IS THAT IMPORTANT ENOUGH? THEN THEY WANT TO, AND THAT'S THEIR FORM OF ADVERTISING, THEN I THINK ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING IS PROBABLY, WELL, WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT WAS MOUNTED IN THE YARD RIGHT NEXT UP TO RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING ON A POST OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A DECORATIVE POST THAT WAS FLUSH WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR BUILDING.
I JUST, AND EVEN IF I CAN THAT BE, CAN THAT BE ADDRESSED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS? IT COULD BE.
I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY REALLY, REALLY WANT THIS, THEY COULD ALWAYS GO TO THE BZA AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE, FROM THE SIGN REGULATIONS ON THAT.
OR LIKE I SAID, A TEMPORARY, UH, SIGN PERMIT.
BUT I MEAN, IF, IF WE JUST, IF WE, IF WE TAKE THAT OUTTA THERE AND ALLOW FOR SIGNS TO BE MOUNTED IN THE FRONTS OF YARDS, I MEAN, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE ANY WAY TO REALLY CONTROL THAT IF THAT'S WHAT'S PUT IN HERE.
JUST QUICK QUESTION IS THIS, UH, WOULD THEN REFER TO PRIMARILY OFFICE OCCUPATIONS? I MEAN, WOULD EVEN AN APPLIANCE REPAIR SHOP BE AN ALLOWABLE ITEM ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? OR WOULD IT BE ATTORNEYS AND, AND TAX PEOPLE? IT, IT TENDS TO BE ATTORNEYS.
UM, TAX FOLKS, PEOPLE LIKE ME, UM, TENDS TO BE MORE OF YOUR WHITE COLLAR KIND OF BEAUTY SALONS LICENSE, UM, MASSAGE THERAPIST, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THAT TENDS TO BE WHAT WE SEE FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS.
NOW IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HOBBY OF, YOU KNOW, CABINET MAKING IN THEIR GARAGE, NOW THEY WANNA TURN THIS INTO A BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE A ALLOWABLE AS WELL.
UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ALMOST NO COMMUNITIES ALLOW FREE-STANDING SIGNS IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD ADVERTISE THE HOME OCCUPATION UNLESS IT'S LIKE BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, LINE OR THE SETBACK LINE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
AND, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE SIGN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
BUT, UM, THE, UH, JUST, I, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE, UH, SOME POTENTIAL OCCUPATION THAT, THAT WOULD CREATE TRAFFIC THAT, YOU KNOW, A REPAIR BUSINESS OF SORTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE SOMEBODY TRYING TO REPAIR CARS AT HIS HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE HAVE 'EM STACKED UP IN THE, IN THE STREETS OR WHATEVER AND THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
A BUNCH OF APPLIANCES HANGING AROUND.
YEAH, NO, EVERYTHING IN THE HOME OCCUPATION HAS TO BE DONE IN THE BUILDING OR THE, THE PRIMARY OKAY.
AND, AND SPECIFICALLY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LIKE IF YOU HAD A LANDSCAPING COMPANY, THAT YOUR FRONT YARD DOESN'T BECOME THE MULCH STORAGE AREA.
UM, THE HOME OCCUPATION SUGGESTED CHANGES.
UM, WHERE IS THIS IN RELATION TO OTHER LOCAL, UM, MUNICIPALITIES IN OUR AREA? IS THIS IN, UH, CONGRUENT WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEM? IT'S IN ALIGNMENT FOR THOSE MUNICIPALITIES OF UPDATED THEIR HOME OCCUPATION IN SAY, THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
SO THIS IS A COMMON AREA AND TREND IN THE, IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY WHEN MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING AT HOME.
IS, IS THAT GENERALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THIS? CORRECT.
AND IT'S ALSO A WAY FOR, UH, INDIVIDUALS TO START A BUSINESS, KIND OF A, WITH A LOW BARRIER OF ENTRY IF YOU'RE GONNA DO HAIR OR HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SALON IN YOUR HOME, ONE CHAIR, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING TO BITE THE BULLET AND REALLY GOING OUT AND, AND SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON, ON, YOU KNOW, RENT AND FIXTURES AND ALL OF THAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE BUILD UP THEIR BUSINESS FIRST AND THEN, UH, GET A BRICK AND MORTAR STANDALONE, UH, FACILITY.
YEAH, YOU'VE STILL GOT MORE TO CONTINUE.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THOSE THAT PROVIDE SERVICES LIKE TAX OR ACCOUNT, UH, ACCOUNTING OR ATTORNEYS, NO MORE THAN, UH, TWO CUSTOMERS WOULD BE ALLOWED ANY ONE TIME.
UH, AND THEN WE GIVE EXAMPLES NOW IN THE DEFINITION OF, UH, OR OF THE HOME OCCUPATION.
SO BARBER AND A BEAUTY SALON, THE LICENSED MASSAGE
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THERAPIST.UH, THEN WE GAVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY OR MYSELF, A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IF IT'S NOT NOT LISTED HERE.
AND IF IT WERE KIND OF ON THE FRINGE, WE WOULD TAKE IT TO, UM, BZA FOR, UM, A REVIEW.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THREE TO OH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE HOME OCCUPATION CHANGES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING MONDAY FOR PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
COULD THIS GO TO READINGS AS WELL? THERE'S NO SPECIFIC APPLICANT OTHER THAN YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
[ Case TA 22-42.2 - City Of Huber Heights - Text Amendment - Bed And Breakfast Establishments ]
ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS CASE, I'M SORRY, WE JUST DID THREE K ITEM, THREE L, CASE, T2, TWO DASH 42.2, CITY HUB HEIGHTS, TEXT FOR BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENTS.SO, UH, THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING CODE.
WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T ALLOW, UH, BNBS, UH, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED, UH, SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW HOMES AS I DRIVE ALONG, LET'S SAY TAYLORSVILLE OR, UH, CHAMBERSBURG, THAT OLD FARMHOUSES THAT HAVE SOME CHARM THAT I THINK COULD BE USED, UH, AS A, AS A BED AND BREAKFAST AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
SO IT'S REALLY A LODGING THAT PROVIDES FOUR FEWER ROOMS FOR RENT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WHERE THE OWNER ACTUALLY LIVES ON, ON PREMISE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MEALS SERVED TO A GUEST.
SO IT'S NOT A BOARDING HOUSE, IT'S NOT A, UH, AIRBNB.
UH, THIS IS SOMEBODY'S HOME WHO RENTS, UH, GUEST ROOMS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A, A MINI HOTEL SO TO SPEAK, BUT ONLY UP TO THREE WEEKS.
UM, I CAN GO OVER OVER ALL OF THESE IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL THE CONDITIONS.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH IT.
I MEAN, I'M OKAY IF YOU DON'T, UNLESS, UNLESS COUNSEL WANTS TO HEAR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, HEAR THE CONDITIONS.
UM, THEY'RE PRETTY STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THAT APPLY TO UNI ALMOST UNIVERSALLY TO, TO BEND BREAKFAST EVERYWHERE.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THREE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN THE PACKET? YES, NOT THANK YOU MA'AM.
JUST ONE, AARON, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO ANY OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, ZONING AREAS? UM, WE HAVE SOME HISTORICS, I BELIEVE IN, UH, OUR DISTRICTS, UM, CERTAINLY COULD HAVE SOME IN THE FUTURE AND SOME OTHER DISTRICT.
WHEN I LOOKED, WHEN I DROVE THROUGH AND WAS LOOKING AT WHERE I, I THOUGHT IT WOULD MOST LIKELY OCCUR, UH, ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE IN THE AGRICULTURE ZONING.
UM, PR THERE MAY BE A COUPLE R ONE S OR R TWO AREAS.
UM, IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT TO THAT, WE CAN.
UM, BUT THIS I THOUGHT WOULD CAPTURE THE BULK OF THE BUILDINGS THAT TO ME LOOKED LIKE, UM, IT, IT HAD THE BEST OPPORTUNITY OF BECOMING A BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, A TIME WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE IN AN R ONE, R TWO WHO WOULD COME FORWARD AND TO SEE WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE, UH, AS A METHOD OF RELIEF FOR THEM TO, UM, BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING.
SO I THINK IF, IF SOMEBODY CAME TO US, WE WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND A, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO PUBLIC HEARING MONDAY? TWO READINGS.
[ Case TA 22-42.3 - City Of Huber Heights - Text Amendment - Automotive/Vehicle Repair ]
THE NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE M, WHICH IS CASE TA 22 DASH 42.3.CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, A TAX AMENT FOR AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE REPAIR.
YEAH, SO THIS, UH, AMENDMENT WOULD PERMIT AUTO, UM, VEHICLE REPAIR AS A SPECIAL USE, UH, IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED, UM, UH, STANDARDS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO IF THIS WERE TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD, UM, ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO DO THIS WOULD STILL NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR SPECIAL USE, UM, APPROVAL.
UM, THERE ARE LIMITED SPECIAL USES CURRENTLY IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
SO PROVIDING, EXPANDING THIS LIST LIKE WE'RE DOING WITH BED AND BREAKFAST, UH, THIS FOR, UH, AUTO OR VEHICLE REPAIR WOULD PROVIDE THE BZA WITH ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
IF SOMEBODY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION, UNLIKE A REZONING OR A VARIANCE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT EXPIRES, UM, IF THE USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR, FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.
SO IT'S SOMEWHAT TEMPORARY, AT LEAST AS LONG AS THE, WHEN THE USE DISCONTINUES.
UM, SO AS IT IS, UM, DRAFTED, THE, UH, THE
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STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TO ANY, UH, IT'S INDOOR ONLY.UM, SO THE, IT WOULD BE INDOOR REPAIR ONLY.
THE ACTIVITIES WOULD BE LIMITED SEEING, LIMITED SERVICING A MOTOR VEHICLES WITH MINOR REPAIR WORK, INCLUDING ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION REPAIR.
ALL, UH, ACTIVITIES SHALL BE PERFORMED IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING.
THE SECOND CONDITION IS THAT BODY WORK AND PAINTING SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
WE DID NOT WANT TO SEE PAINT SPRAY BOOTHS OR HEAVY, HEAVY BODY WORK, UM, LARGELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE, THE SOLVENTS, THE, THE SMELL, THAT KIND OF THING THAT OCCURS WITH BODY WORK AND, AND LARGE PAINT, UH, PAINT OPERATIONS.
UM, STORAGE OF NON-OPERATIONAL VEHICLES FOR LONGER THAN ONE WEEK SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UM, ALL VEHICLES MUST BE ABLE TO MOVE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET UNDER, UNDER THEIR OWN POWER WITHIN 24 HOURS NOTICE, UH, BY THE CITY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID JUST JUNK CARS PILING UP.
UH, ALL VEHICLES SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE VALID LICENSE PLATES.
UM, PARKING STORAGE OR SALVAGING OF JUNK VEHICLES SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
UM, THE ORIGINAL DRAFT OF THE NEXT, UM, STANDARDS HAVE BEEN OR AMENDED BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AS FAR AS THE BUILDING SETBACK, THE BUILDING SETBACKS GONNA BE A MINIMUM 40 FEET FROM ANY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOT AND 200 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE DISTANCE FROM THIS TYPE OF USE FROM, UH, A HABIT.
UH, A CURRENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, PARKING AND STORAGE OF THE VEHICLES, UM, WOULD BE SET BACK 35 FEET FROM, UH, ANY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOT.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO CONSTRICT THE, THE ENVELOPE OF WHERE THIS, UH, THIS USE COULD ACTUALLY OCCUR.
UM, PARKING AREAS WITHIN A HUNDRED HUNDRED FEET OF AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOT SHALL BE SCREENED, UM, BY AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, SOLID FENCE OR DEN EVER DENSE, EVERGREEN, UH, VEGETATION THAT GROWS TO AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WITHIN TWO YEARS.
UM, THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROPOSAL WAS, UH, SIX FEET PLANNING COMMISSION RAISED THAT TO EIGHT.
WE ALSO INCREASED THE, UH, THE SETBACK DISTANCES, UM, FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
UM, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE AND WHETHER THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THERE WAS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TEXT AMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR TEXT AMENDMENT, AND IT WAS THE, UH, RECOMMENDED THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIED BY A TWO TO ONE VOTE.
SO, UH, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, IT WOULD TAKE A, UH, SUPER MAJORITY BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD THREE MEMBERS PRESENT.
UH, AARON, IS THERE A LEGAL DEFINITION OF WHAT A JUNK VEHICLE IS? SO THERE'S A COUPLE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LOOK.
UM, THE O C, THE OHIO REVISED CODE, UH, DEFINES A JUNK VEHICLE VERY SPECIFICALLY.
UM, OUR DEFINITION OF JUNK IN THE, UM, ZONING CODE INCLUDES, UM, VEHICLES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY UNREPAIRABLE AND HAVE NOT, AND ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE REPAIRED.
UM, BUT THERE IS, OUR VERSION IS A LITTLE BROADER THAN THE OHIO REVISED CODES VERSION OF A JUNK VEHICLE.
SO, WHICH WOULD HAVE, WHAT'S THAT? WHICH ONE WOULD HAVE THE HIGHER POWER? UH, I BELIEVE OURS BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW OF HOME RULE.
UM, THE, THE OHIO DEFINITION OF JUNK VEHICLE LARGELY WAS AN EFFORT TO TA UM, COUNCIL MAY DISAGREE OR NOT AGREE, OR CAN, UM, EXPAND ON THIS LARGELY WAS TO KEEP CITIES FROM, UM, GOING AFTER COLLECTOR VEHICLES AND TOWNSHIPS FROM GOING AFTER PEOPLE WHO WERE RESTORING COLLECTOR CARS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE STICKING WITH OUR CURRENT VERSION OR DEFINITION OF JUNK.
IT IMPLIES JUNK VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT UN NON-REPAIRABLE.
SO WOULD IT BE THE ENGINE, DOES IT TURN OVER OR DOES IT MOVE ON THEIR OWN POWER OR SALVAGE TITLES? SO TO BE JUNK, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE, NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE UNDER ITS OWN POWER AND NOT BE REPAIRABLE.
MY GUESS IS AT THE TIME THEY WOULDN'T HAVE IT LICENSED THAT THIS REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE THE VEHICLES LICENSED AND REGISTERED.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH, WHICH IS WHY, UM, WE HAVE THE CLAUSE IN HERE THAT THE VEHICLE MUST BE ABLE TO MOVE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET, UN UN, UNDER ITS OWN POWER
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WITHIN 24 HOURS OF NOTICE SO THAT WE DON'T TURN, UM, RESIDENTIAL LOTS INTO DE FACTO SALVAGE YARDS.NOW IF THE, IF THE VEHICLE ENGINE IS BEING REPAIRED, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GIVE THEM SOME, IF IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEING REPAIRED, WE WOULD GIVE THEM SOME TIME.
BUT IF IT'S JUST, IF IT'S A FRAME SITTING THERE WITHOUT AN ENGINE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY, UH, YEAH.
SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY A CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, A ZONING COMPLIANCE, WE, I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF EMAILS I GET OF NEIGHBORS WHO ARE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY GOT CARS IN THE ROAD WITH A FLAT TIRE, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN THAT WAY FOR A MONTH A YEAR.
AND WE JUST
AND PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND THEY CALL AND THOSE COMPLAINTS AND WE GO OUT AND WE SEE THAT.
SO I THINK JUST THE IDEA OF ALREADY HAVING VEHICLES PARKED ON STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WITHIN THE CITY THAT, UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EYES ON TO BE ABLE TO BRING ALL THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE.
I MEAN, I COULD SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN TOO, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IN A SPECIFIC BUSINESS THAT'S DOING THIS FROM AN AUTO REPAIR PERSPECTIVE, THAT UM, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE MAKING SURE ALL THESE VEHICLES ARE WORKING IN A GOOD ORDER AND, AND, AND JUST NEED A, A TUNEUP OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL ALREADY JUST CUZ THERE'S SO MANY MM-HMM.
ZONING INSPECTION GETS COMPLAINTS THEY FOLLOW UP.
DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR, THE COMPLAINTS ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS.
AND I THINK I SEE THAT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PROACTIVE IN, NOT REACTIVE IN, IF IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S DOING THAT, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE BEING COMPLIANT.
CAN WE GO BACK TO A SCREEN IT AND GO OVER THE PARKING? UM, CAN WE MAKE SURE IT HAS INSURANCE AND IT'S NOT A SALVAGE TITLE, LIKE IF IT IS GETTING REPAIRED AND THERE'S SUPPLY LINE ISSUES, I HAVE PATIENCE FOR THAT, BUT MAKING SURE IT HAS VIABLE INSURANCE AND TAGGED.
BECAUSE IF IT'S A JUNK CAR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EITHER OF THOSE EITHER.
WOULD THAT BE REASONABLE? SURE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS? YES, MR. HONOR.
HONOR, AS FAR AS SALVAGE TITLES GO, PEOPLE CAN TAKE A SALVAGE TITLE, UM, REPAIR THE VEHICLE PROPERLY, TAKE IT TO THE OHIO, OHIO STATE PATROL AND HAVE IT INSPECTED.
AND IT'S STILL TECHNICALLY A SALVAGE TITLE, BUT IT CAN BE PLATED AND ENROLLED ON THE, ON THE STREETS.
BUT IT'D BE A VIABLE TITLE, NOT A SALVAGE OUT TITLE.
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SALVAGE TITLE FOR THE REST OF THAT CAR'S LIFE.
YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS IT PASSED THE SAFETY INSPECTION IT'S, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I GETTING FOR IS LIKE, IT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT IT WOULD STILL, SO, SO MY, THE ONLY REASON I STATED THAT WAS I APPRECIATE IT TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE OF SALVAGE TITLED OUT OF THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING OLD CLASSIC CARS THAT WERE TOTALED, SALVAGED, REBUILT.
AND THEY HAVE, THEY CARRY SPECIAL INSURANCE ON 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UH, TITLED IN.
IT'S STILL ROADWORTHY, IT'S STILL ROAD WORTH.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A SAL TITLE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, BUT IT'S LICENSE SALV BY THE STATE OF OHIO.
MAYBE WHAT WOULD BE BETTER TEXT, I DON'T KNOW, UM, TITLED BY THE STATE.
IS IT THE TITLE WOULD REALLY WEIGH IN JUST PROPERLY LICENSED AND, AND ROADWORTHY OR AN INSURED? YEAH.
LIKE YOU'D HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE IT INSURED.
I MEAN THE STATE REQUIRES THE INSURANCE.
SO I THINK THE ISSUE WHEN WE START GETTING THAT DEEP IN THE WELL THOUGH, SAY WHO'S WHO, WHO'S FORCING THAT COMPLIANCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE
SO WE COULD ADD ALL THE LANGUAGE AND ALL THE STUFF WE WANT IN THERE, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO, TO, TO ENFORCE THAT, UH, TO ENFORCE COMPLIANCE, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT IT JUST GETS, IT JUST GETS ALL FULL MESSY THERE.
I THINK, I GUESS I WAS JUST GOING FOR MORE TEETH SO THERE WOULD BE A RESOLUTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I MEAN I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
I I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THIS ONE, BUT
I MEAN THIS IS THE TYPE OF WORK THAT SHOULD BE IF YOU'RE NOT WORKING ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE, SHOULD BE DONE SOMEPLACE ELSE, I THINK IN A COMMERCIAL SPACE, IN MY OPINION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YES, ED, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, AARON JUST, UH, UH, REVIEW THIS, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT.
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UM, AS FAR AS THE OTHER SURROUNDING AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UH, THIS IS NOT IN LINE WITH ANYONE ELSE.THIS IS, UM, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN I DID THE RESEARCH TO LOOK, UM, ALMOST NO ONE OUTSIDE OF LIKE SAY AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT, SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY RE UM, REFERENCE REPAIR OF AGRICULTURAL AND FARM EQUIPMENT.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS OF THE SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT I SCANNED THAT WERE SIMILAR TO HUBER HEIGHTS IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAD SORT OF LARGER AGRICULTURAL LAND LEFT, UM, I BELIEVE ONLY ONE, MAYBE TWO, UM, ALLOWED VEHICLE REPAIR.
I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER THAT THE MEMO OR THE, UM, BUT IT WAS LOW TO YOUR POINT.
AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS A CHANGE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING? CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW VEHICLE, INDOOR AUTO AND VEHICLE REPAIR TO BE A SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GO TO THE, UH, BZA BCA.
THIS IS PER CURRENTLY NOT PERMITTED IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT.
SO I THINK, UH, IF I SAW THERE ON THE OTHER, ON THE FOREIGN PAGE, THAT, SO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TWO TO ONE TO DENY THIS.
SO THEY VOTED TWO TO ONE TO APPROVE IT.
SO IT WAS AUTOMATIC, IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE THERE WERE ONLY THREE MEMBERS, AND SO WE WOULD'VE NEEDED ALL THREE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
SO, UM, THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE, UM, ONLY TWO VOTED TO APPROVE IT.
ONE VOTED TO DENY IT, SO THE MOTION FAILED.
SO THE, SO THE RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS, IS REALLY NOT A RECOMMENDATION? IT'S A, IT'S, I GUESS IT'S A DENIAL.
SO THE, JUST THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ITEM THAT DIDN'T PASS, IS THERE A FAILURE TO PASS AND AN OUTRIGHT DENIAL? DOES THAT CHANGE? UM, THE SUPER MAJORITY NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS.
NO, IT'D STILL BE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE TO OVERTURN BECAUSE IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WAS DENIAL IN THIS CASE.
SO IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT, IT WOULD REQUIRE SIX OFS, CORRECT? YES.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE, AT THE MEETING IN ORDER TO APPROVE THAT.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GUESS, DON, I'LL JUST THROW WANTED AT AARON, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, DURING THE BED AND BREAKFAST DISCUSSION, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'D IDENTIFIED, UM, SEVERAL PARCELS IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR, UM, THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE.
HAVE WE, UM, GIVEN THOUGHT TO THE SAME TYPE OF IDENTIFICATION OF POTENTIAL? UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU HERE, JUST STRAIGHT UP IS, ARE WE, ARE WE DOING THIS SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, UH, THIS PROCESS CAN BE FACILITATED BY OTHER AGRICULTURE OWNERS? ARE WE JUST DOING THIS, UH, FOR THE ONE CASE THAT WE KNOW OF? UM, SO I WOULD SAY, UH, MAYBE A BIT OF BOTH IN THE SENSE THAT, THAT ONE CASE FACILITATED THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE WAY I ORIGINALLY DRAFTED THE HOME OCCUPATION WAS TO ALLOW, UM, VEHICLE REPAIR IN AN AGRICULTURAL OR ON LAND OF GREATER THAN THREE ACRES AS A HOME OCCUPATION.
UM, WHEN I KIND OF FLOATED THAT BY, BY, UH, SOME INDIVIDUALS, THAT SEEMED TO BE A BIT OF A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
UH, AND SO WE SPLIT THIS INTO TWO, THE, THE VEHICLE REPAIR, THE, THE HOME OCCUPATION.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION, MOVE THIS ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MONDAY? ED MAYOR, I CANNOT, UM, SUPPORT THIS, UM, AS IT IS OR IN ANY FORM AT THIS TIME.
IT IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING? CANNOT SING A MAJORITY OBJECTION.
WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO, UH, MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN SINCE THIS IS, UH, CITY DRIVEN, UH, TWO READINGS, CORRECT? YES.
[ Case TA 22-42.4 - City Of Huber Heights - Text Amendment - Self Storage Facilities ]
IS ITEM THREE N, WHICH IS CASE TA 22 DASH 42.4.CITY OF HUB HEIGHTS TEXT AMENDMENT FOR SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES.
YEAH, SO SELF STORAGE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN, UH, AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION SINCE I, UH, GOT
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HERE AND PROBABLY LONG BEFORE.UM, THERE ARE THREE RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY THREE.
WE REFER TO SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES IN THREE DIFFERENT WAYS, AND WE DON'T DEFINE ANY OF THEM.
UM, SO THIS AMENDMENT DEFINES, UH, A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE OHIO REVISED CODE, UM, DEFINES THEM, UH, AND THEN PRINCIPALLY PERMITS THEM IN THE I ONE I TWO AND PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY WANTED THEM OUT OF THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THEY FELT THIS WAS A BETTER USE IN INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU SKIN ONE, IT'S STILL 25 TO 30 GARAGE DOORS ALL IN A ROW.
UH, AND SO THEY DIDN'T FE FEEL THAT THIS WAS IN THE FUTURE THE BEST USE ON OUR, UM, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
UH, HOWEVER, UM, WE DID DISCUSS, UM, MAKING INDOOR SELF STORAGE FACILITIES AS A SPECIAL USE AS PART, UH, IN AN EXISTING BUILDING AS PART OF A REPURPOSING.
SO THINK OF THE FORMER K-MART THAT IS NOW A U-HAUL, THAT'S AN INDOOR SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
IT'S A REPURPOSING OF A, OF AN EXISTING BIG BOX STORE.
THERE MAY BE OTHER BIG BOX STORES THAT OUTLIVE THEIR, THEIR USEFULNESS.
THIS COULD BE AN INTERIM, UM, USE THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF ECONOMIC VIABILITY, UM, UNTIL SOMETHING BETTER COMES ALONG.
BUT AGAIN, LARGELY PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LIKE THE LOOK, THEY DON'T FEEL THEY BE, THEY, UM, BELONG IN OUR COMMERCIAL NODES, IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, DEVELOP VIBRANCY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THREE, TWO, UH, ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, SAME QUESTION FOR THE OTHER ONES AS WELL.
UH, WHERE, WHERE'S THIS FALL IN RELATION TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS? UH, SO I WOULD SAY THIS ONE'S SPLIT.
SOME OF THEM, UH, ONLY ALLOW THEM IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
SOME ALLOW IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
UM, IT'S A COIN FLIP DEPENDING ON WHO ZONING CODE YOU LOOK.
YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE ONES THAT ALLOW 'EM IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET BACK.
THEY TRY TO AVOID ORIENTATION OF THE, THE GARAGE DOORS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DRIVING BY AND SEEING JUST ROLLUP DOOR AFTER ROLLUP DOOR AFTER ROLLUP DOOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY? OKAY.
[ 2023 Sidewalk Program And Concrete Portion Of 2023 Street Program - Solicit Bids]
ITEM THREE.UH, ITEM 3 0, 20 23 SIDEWALK PROGRAM AND CONCRETE PORTION OF THE 2023 STREET PROGRAM.
AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS, RUSS? YES.
UM, BOTH OF THESE ARE YEARLY, YEARLY PROGRAMS AND THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR ADVERTISING AND RECEIVING OF BIDS.
UH, STREET MAP, UH, WAS INCLUDED YOUR PACKET FOR THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
UH, THIS YEAR'S AREA OF SIDEWALK REPAIR IS BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND LONGFORD ROAD, AND THAT'S JUST EAST OF HARSHMAN BILL.
UM, LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, EARLY IN THE FALL LAST YEAR, AND THEY WERE GIVEN A CHANCE AT THAT TIME TO EITHER DO THE WORK THEMSELVES OR HIRE A CONTRACTOR ON THEIR OWN TO DO THE WORK.
AND, UH, WE HAD A DEADLINE AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THAT, UM, OR TO GET A PERMIT.
SOME OF 'EM STILL CAN DO A FEW OF 'EM AT THE END, EARLY MARCH IF THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY GOT A PERMIT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, THE SIDEWALK WORK WILL OCCUR BETWEEN MARCH AND MAY.
AND THE CURB WORK THAT I'M GONNA DISCUSS WILL RUN THROUGH MOST OF THE SUMMER AFTER THAT.
UH, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS SET TO NOT TO EXCEED OF $150,000 FUNDED THROUGH THE SIDEWALK FUND.
AND THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS CURB REPLACEMENT, IS LOCATED IN THE AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THE STREETS ARE TO BE REPAVED NEXT YEAR.
AND THIS PORTION IS SET AT NAT EXCEED OF 950,000, AND THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE STREET CAPITAL FUND, WHERE THE STREET LEVY.
UH, I WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER WE, UH, GO OUT THE BID FOR THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? YES, ANITA, THESE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO DO WATERLINE REPLACEMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RIPPING UP IN THE FUTURE ANYWAY? UH, NO.
WE, WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE A LOT OF WATER MAIN BREAKS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WATER MAINS REPAIRED OR REPLACED AND THEN PAVE THEM THE, THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN THE PROGRAM OR THE SAME YEAR IN THE PROGRAM DEPENDING ON WHEN IT FALLS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REPAVING SOMETHING
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THAT HAS A LOT OF BREAKS AND WE KNOW IS GONNA BE RE REPLACE REPLACED.AND ALSO, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE PAYING FOR THEIR EASEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THE WATER LINE AND RIPPING IT UP ANYWAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
WE'RE WATCHING OVER THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
SO, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, AND I'M HERE.
UH, RUSS, THIS 2023 SIDEWALK PROGRAM STARTED, UH, YOU USUALLY GO OUT FOR BID, UH, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR? YES.
UM, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, KITCHEN WASN'T HERE EARLIER IN THE MEETING, MAYOR, WHEN WE TRIED TO AMEND THE AGENDA FOR, UM, WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT ANYWAY, BUT SOMEHOW GOT MISSED.
UM, IS THERE A REASON, RUSS, THAT WE'RE NOT SENDING OUT THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM OUT TO BID BEFORE WE DO SIDEWALK PROGRAM? UH, THE FIRST LAST, WELL WE STARTED LAST YEAR WITH THE PROGRAM.
THAT PROGRAM IS STARTING IN FIRST BEGINNING OF MARCH.
SO THESE STREETS, THE ONES THAT WE'RE REPLACING STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, WILL TAKE ROUGHLY, UH, FIVE TO SIX MONTHS, I THINK, TO, TO REPAIR THEM OR REPLACE THEM.
THOSE STREETS WILL BE REPAVED AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH THIS PROGRAM WITH THE STREET PROGRAM.
THIS, THIS IS JUST THE CURB PORTION OF THE STREET PROGRAM.
BUT THE STREET PROGRAM, THE PAVING, WE PLAN ON PAVING THOSE STREETS THAT WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE WATER MAIN STARTING IN MARCH.
AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT BID FOR THIS YEAR.
THAT, THAT'S THE NEXT PROGRAM WE'RE STARTING THAT WE ARE GETTING IT DESIGNED RIGHT NOW WITH, SHOULD BE DONE IN ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO.
AND THEN PROBABLY IN APRIL WE'RE GONNA BID THAT OUT FOR THE NEXT YEAR, NEXT PROGRAM.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, WE'VE ALREADY ORDERED THE PIPE FOR THAT ONE, BUT THAT PIPE'S COMING IN TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR AND HOPING TO START THAT PROGRAM AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND YOU'RE SAYING, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S THE FASTEST WE CAN MOVE? YES.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE PIPE THAT FAST.
THE PIPE'S NOW LOOKING AT EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS INSTEAD OF, I DUNNO IF I HAD SAID IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT TO, OR UH, 10 TO 12 MONTHS, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, THEN IT WENT TO 14 TO 16 MONTHS.
IT'S NOW DOWN TO EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT TILL WE GET THE PIPE IN BEFORE WE SEND IT OUT TO BID.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU CAN'T SEND IT OUT TO BID SOONER? THERE'S REALLY NO REASON TO GO THAT EARLY BECAUSE THE PIPE'S, NOT, PIPE'S ALREADY ORDERED.
SO IF WE, IF WE BID IT OUT, UH, WE COULD, WELL, WE WOULDN'T WAIT TILL THE DESIGN'S ALL DONE, WHICH IS GONNA BE ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO.
SO IT'LL BE END OF MARCH TO APRIL WHEN WE BID IT AFTER THE DESIGN IS DONE.
ANY WORRIES ABOUT MISSING THE SEASON? EVERY, ALL THE CONTRACTORS GOING TO BE NO, I, I CAN'T REALLY BID IT OUT BEFORE THE DESIGN'S FINISHED CUZ I DON'T HAVE ALL THE QUANTITIES AND EVERYTHING TO BID.
SO I DO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA.
I, I'M GONNA BE A NO VOTE ON THIS JUST BECAUSE THAT IS HITTING AREAS THAT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN BREAKS WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
SO I WOULD RATHER WATCH THIS AND DO ANOTHER AREA OF TOWN TO DO THIS INSTEAD OF US RIPPING UP POTENTIAL PLACES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAIR.
MANDRA HAD A BREAK, GOSH, IT WAS LIKE TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO, I BELIEVE.
AND THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE SOME, MOST OF THESE STREETS WILL HAVE ONE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
WE CAN'T NEVER PAVE THE ROAD NOT KNOWING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ONE WATER MAIN BREAK.
SO I'M LOOKING AT STREETS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE WATER MAIN BREAKS IF A STREET HAS ONE BREAK NOW AND, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW HAS ANOTHER ONE.
WE, WE ALMOST HAVE TO CONTINUE THE PAVING PROGRAM BECAUSE SOME OF THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN 20, 25 YEARS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN PAVED.
AND WE CAN'T JUST REPLACE THAT WATER MAIN ON THAT STREET FOR ONE WATER MAIN BREAK.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE WORST ONES FIRST.
HOLD OFF ON PAVING, BUT UNTIL WE GET THERE, BUT IT COULD BE YEARS BEFORE I GET TO THAT STREET CUZ IT'S ONLY HAD SAY ONE BREAK.
I JUST THINK IT'S NOT IN A HURRY HERE.
I JUST THINK UNTIL WE HAVE THIS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT THING IN LINE, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN THAT WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF PUT ON HALT.
UM, NOT SAYING THAT WE AREN'T GOING TO MAYBE LOOK AT STUFF AND GO NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MAN BREAK'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO REPLACE THE WATER MAIN BREAK.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.
BUT I THINK UNTIL WE REALLY GET THIS WATER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM IN PLACE WITH A DEFINITE PLAN, I MEAN, THIS IS RIGHT NEAR THE AREAS THAT ARE KEEP BREAKING.
I JUST WOULD HATE FOR US TO GO IN AND DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW AND THEN NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, OH REALLY? WE
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NEED TO REPLACE THIS AREA.THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY THE AREA OF TOWN THAT HAS BEEN HAVING ISSUES.
AND I JUST, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF OUR MONEY.
RUSS, HOW DO, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT STREETS GET REPAVED AND WHEN, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT STREETS GET REPAVED AND WHEN? UH, TYPICALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE A, A COMPANY THAT DRIVES ALL THE STREETS AND RATES THEM ALL.
SO WE START WITH THAT, THE WORST ONES AND BY HOW MANY YEARS ALSO THE LAST TIME IT'S GOT PAVED.
AND THEN WE ALSO DRIVE THE STREETS AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE ONES THAT WE GET COMPLAINTS ON THROUGH THE YEAR OF PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BAD AND CAN WE LOOK AT IT? THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE DRIVE ALL THOSE AND THEN WE NARROW IT DOWN TO THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE TO SEE HOW MANY STREETS WE CAN DO.
NOW YOUR CONCERN, I UNDERSTAND, BUT EVERY YEAR WE GET 50 TO 60 WATER MAIN BREAKS.
WE HAVE FOR THE PAST 30, 30 YEARS.
THAT'S NEVER STOPPED US FROM PAVING THOSE ROADS.
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER MAIN BREAKS ARE GONNA BE AND WE STILL PAVE THE ROADS.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONCE IN A WHILE, A BREAK ON 'EM AND HOPEFULLY IT'S A CLEAN PATCH AND IT'LL LOOK FINE.
SO, UM, I GUESS WE DON'T STOP FOR THAT REASON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THOSE TWO MONDAY'S MEETING.
[ 2023 Rehabilitation Of Sewer Lines Project - Solicit Bids]
UP IS ITEM THREE P, WHICH IS THE 2023 REATION OF SEWER LINES PROJECT AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS.UH, THIS LEGISLATION WILL GIVE US TO GO OUT TO BID FOR THE LINING OF EXISTING SANITARY SEWERS.
UH, THIS PROGRAM IS NOW BECOMING A YEARLY PROJECT.
UM, WE'VE IN THE PAST HAVE DONE IT LIKE EVERY OTHER YEAR, BUT, UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA START DOING IT EVERY YEAR.
UM, IT'S TO KEEP UP WITH THE AGING SANITARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, A STREET MAP IS ALSO ATTACHED TO YOUR, UH, UH, A PACKET WITH DIFFERENT SPANS OF SEWER LINE SEWER OF SANITARY SEWER IN THE, MOSTLY IN THE SOUTHERN PORT OF THE PORTION OF THE CITY, UH, WHERE WE'D LIKE TO INSTALL LINING IN THE PIPES.
UH, AND THESE PIPES WERE TELEVISED BY TRI-CITIES AUTHORITY.
UH, THEY DO OVER A FIVE TO SIX YEAR PERIOD, THEY TELEVISE ALL THE LINES IN THE CITY AND THEY GIVE US THE WORST, UH, THE WORST PIPES.
THEY RATE 'EM, AND THEY, AND THIS IS BASED ON CRACKS OR LEAKS OR PARTIAL COLLAPSED PIPE.
UH, THE LINING, UH, WILL STRENGTHEN THE PIPE AND IT'LL HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE INFLOW AND INFILTRATION THAT IS GETTING INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, FROM THE CRACK PIPES AND PIPES WITH DAMAGED JOINTS.
UH, THIS LINING, UH, WHERE WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF OR RAINWATER ENTERING OUR LIFT STATIONS, UM, FROM THOSE PIPES AND THEN REDUCE THE COST, UH, THAT WE TREAT.
WE, WE CHARGE, WE ARE CHARGED FROM THE WASTEWATER PLANT FOR HOW MUCH WATER WE TREAT.
IF WE CAN CUT DOWN ON THAT INFLOW, UH, THIS LINING WILL HELP THAT.
UH, THIS IS THE FIFTH TIME WE PERFORM THIS TYPE OF LINING PROCESS, UH, AND IT INVOLVES A LONG POLYETHYLENE LINING SLEEVE AND IT'S PLACED FROM MANHOLE TO MANHOLE.
AND THEN, UH, AFTER IT'S IN, IT EXPANDED OUT WITH HIGH TEMPERATURE WATER AND STEAM, AND IT CAUSES THE LINER TO EXPAND AND ADHERE TO THE INSIDE OF THE PIPE.
UM, SO THIS PROCESS IS USED TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF THE SEWER.
UH, WE'LL BE USING SANITARY SEWER FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED 350,000 TO PAY FOR THIS WORK.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER.
ANY QUESTIONS? DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, RUSS, I SPOKE TO TRI-CITIES, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO REGARDING THE, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE RIPRAP ROAD PROJECT DOWN THERE WHERE THEY DISCUSSED, UM, THE COST SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, ELIMINATING GROUNDWATER INFILTRATION.
SO HAVE WE LOOKED AT, CAN YOU, IS THERE A NUMBER WE CAN START PUTTING TO THAT TYPE OF THING? DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S A DOLLAR OR NOT? WE CAN SAY THIS PROJECT IS GONNA GENERATE X IN SAVINGS.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE HARD TO, UM, TO CALCULATE BECAUSE THE WATER, WE HAVE ONE AIR, ONE PLACE OR TWO PLACES, IT GOES DOWN TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT, TWO MAJOR LINES.
AND, UM, YOU CAN TELL YOU'RE SAVING, BUT YET YOU'RE ALSO ADDING WITH A NEW SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE ADDING MORE FLOW.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH YOU'RE, IF THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM, THEN WE COULD DO THAT BY HOW MUCH FLOW IS COMING DOWN THERE.
BUT CUZ OF THE OTHER CHANGES, THAT MIGHT BE HARD TO CALCULATE, BUT, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT DOES BECAUSE, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THE PUMP STATIONS, ALL THE FLOW FROM THE LINES GO TO THE PUMP STATIONS.
AND IF WE DID THIS AT EVERGREEN WOODS, WE HIT THE PUMP STATION WAS OVERFLOWING A LOT.
WE LINE THE HOLE, WE REDID EVERGREEN WOODS EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T THAT OLD, BECAUSE WE KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
AND AFTER WE DID IT, THE PUMP STATION STOPPED OVERFLOWING.
SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S WORKING AND KEEPING THAT INFLOW.
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IT WHEN IT RAINED, SO IT KEPT THAT WATER OUT AT LEAST MOST OF IT.AND THEN THE, UH, PUMP STATION, UH, IT KEEPS SUE AS OLI FROM HAVING TO GO OUT THERE AND MONITOR THE PUMP STATION TOO.
SO, SO THERE IS, WE KNOW THERE'S A SAVINGS ON HOW MUCH WATER'S GOING DOWN.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT UP
[ Emeraldgate Water Standpipe Painting Project - Solicit Bids]
IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE EMERALD GATE WATER PIPE, WATER STANDPIPE PAINTING PROJECT AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS.AND EVERY YEAR I GET A REMINDER THAT I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS.
UH, YES, THIS IS, UH, SOLICITING BIDS FOR PAINTING OF THE EMERALD GATE OR DAVID GATE WATER TOWER.
UM, I DID INCLUDE AN AERIAL MAP ON THAT SHOWING LOCATION.
IT'S NEXT TO THE CHARLES HUBERT SCHOOL.
UH, THIS IS RIGHT AT EMERALD GATE, UH, THE WATER TOWER AS THE STANDPIPE WATER TOWER, WHICH IS, MEANS IT'S A STRAIGHT ONE RATHER THAN THE LARGE BULB, WHICH IS WHAT OURS MOST OF OURS ARE.
UM, IT HOLDS A HUNDRED AND OUR 1.75 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
UH, THE TOWER WAS LAST PAINTED IN 2010.
UH, OUR WATER TOWERS ARE TYPICALLY REPAIRED AND REPAINTED AS NEEDED, BUT THE WORK USUALLY FALLS INTO 12 TO A 17 YEARS CYCLE FOR REPAINTING THEM.
UH, THE, THE TOWER WAS INSPECTED IN 2019, AND WE ARE DOING A QUICK INSPECTION NOW BEFORE WE GO OUT TO BID, JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY CHANGES.
UM, BUT THE INSPECTION REPORT SHOWED AT THAT TIME THAT WE NEEDED TO PAINT IT THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR BY, UM, THE AMOUNT OF CORROSION THAT'S ON IT.
UM, THE WORK WILL INCLUDE AN ABRASIVE BLAST, CLEANING AND PAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR AND THE CLEANING AND PAINTING OF THE INTERIOR.
UH, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THIS WORK BETWEEN APRIL 15TH AND AUGUST 1ST.
UH, MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE THE TOWER OUT OF SERVICE AND WE WANT TO BE, HAVE IT FINISHED BY THE TIME, UH, LIKE AUGUST COMES.
THAT'S WHEN THE MAIN, THAT'S WHEN MOST OF THE WATER IS BEING USED FROM WE, WE NEED THAT STORAGE.
SO, UH, UM, AND YEAH, LATE SUMMER IS WHEN MOST OF THE WATER, OUR CONSUMPTION IS A LOT HIGHER AT THAT POINT.
UH, THE EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THIS IS $550,000 AND IT WAS BUDGETED THIS YEAR OUT OF THE WATER FUND.
ANY QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT
[ Purchase Of Property - 5001 Taylorsville Road - New Public Works Facility]
UP IS ITEM THREE R, PURCHASE OF PROPERTY AT 5,001 TIERS WILL ROAD FOR THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH COUNSEL, UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, IS TO, UH, ACQUIRE, I BELIEVE IT IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF WILDCAT AND, UH, TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, FOR THE INTENTION OF, UH, CONSTRUCTING A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
UH, THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE $525,000.
WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, ENTERTAIN THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? NANCY? UH, BRIAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THIS? UM, IN THE SHORT TERM? UM, WE WOULD MAKE, UM, IN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, UM, INTO THE CAPITAL FUND.
AND THEN ONCE FINAL, UH, FINANCING IS DETERMINED FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING THE CIVIC CENTER, UH, AND, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME, FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS, THIS WOULD ALL BE ROPED INTO, UH, THAT PARTICULAR FINANCE, UH, MODEL.
SO WE LOOK TO SELL BONDS WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS TO, UH, COVER THIS PURCHASE PRICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ 2023 Rules Of Council]
THREE S, WHICH IS THE 2023 RULES OF COUNSEL.OKAY, SO, UH, I WAS ASKED TO DRAFT A COUPLE OF ITEMS, UH, FOR THE RULES OF COUNSEL, UH, FOR 2023.
THE FIRST, UH, WAS A SUGGESTION TO HAVE A SUMMER MEETING SCHEDULE.
SO I INCLUDED A PROPOSED DRAFT IN HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UM, IT STATES BASICALLY THAT, UM, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL BE HELD ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAYS OF EACH MONTH EXCEPT FOR JUNE, JULY, AUGUST AND DECEMBER.
UNLESS THE DAY FALLS ON THE CITY HOLIDAY, IF SUCH A HOLIDAY CONFLICT OCCURS, THE MEETING SCHEDULE WILL BE ADJUSTED TO ADDRESS THE HOLIDAY IN THE MONTHS, JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST.
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL ONLY BE HELD ON THE FOURTH MONDAYS OF EACH MONTH.
AND IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL ONLY BE HELD ON THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
IN THE MONTHS, WITH ONLY ONE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING MAY BE HELD TO AS NEEDED TO CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS.
SO I THINK THAT INCORPORATES, UH, THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS SUGGESTED IN TERMS OF PRESENTING A, A SCHEDULE FOR, UH, FOR SUMMER MEETINGS, A REDUCED SUMMER MEETINGS.
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SO IT'LL JUST BE KIND OF SHORT AND SIMPLE TO THE POINT ON THIS ONE.THERE'S BEEN, UH, SOME MEMBERS WHO LIKED THIS IDEA, SOME MEMBERS WHO DIDN'T.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, AS TYPICAL WE WOULD LOOK TO MOVING THIS FORWARD FOR A VOTE UNLESS THERE IS A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL OBJECTION.
UH, KEEPING IT OFF OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR SUMMER SCHEDULE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OR IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION.
I OBJECT TO THE ABBREVIATED SCHEDULE, AND I'LL BE VOTING NO FOR THIS ON MONDAY.
THIS EMPLOYEES COME HERE EVERY DAY TO GO TO WORK.
UH, NATHAN, UH, NANCY, UM, I OBJECT BECAUSE, UM, OF ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN COUNCIL, I HAVEN'T SEEN OUR WORKLOAD GOOD DOWN IN THE SUMMER.
UH, WE'RE BEING PAID TO BE HERE 12 MONTHS A YEAR.
AND, UM, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT HIRED US TO BE HERE TOO, UH, ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT COME UP DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
IS THERE ANY MORE? NO, I'LL THROW IN AN OBJECTION FOR THE REASONS I STATED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING.
UH, JUST SIMPLY THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE YEAR TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A THING.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME IT BEING BROUGHT BACK UP NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE THREE OBJECTIONS, MARK.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BROUGHT BACK UP NEXT YEAR AND I WOULD BE A NO VOTE FOR MONDAY.
SO THERE'S, UH, FOUR OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.
UH, ONE MORE WOULD BE A MAJORITY OBJECTION.
IT'S THE MAJORITY, WELL, IT'S, RICHARD ISN'T HERE, BUT, SO IT'S STILL, I THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE FIVE.
WELL, THIS IS ONLY AN ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION, SO I MEAN, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR CUT IN IN TERMS OF THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE.
I WOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT.
SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WILL NOT MOVE ON TO MONDAY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER RULES OF COUNCIL AMENDMENT.
YEAH, CHANGE THE, UM, THE SECOND ONE HAD TO DO WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS.
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO, UM, PERHAPS ALLOW, UM, CITIZEN COMMENTS AT COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
I DON'T THINK THE DIRECTION OF THIS ONE WAS AS CLEAR.
SO THE WAY I DRAFTED THIS WAS, UM, TO, UH, KEEP THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION COMMENTS AS, UM, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
BUT I WENT ON TO EXPAND IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PARTICIPATION THAT ARE ALLOWED BY THE PUBLIC IN MEETINGS.
I, I THINK I STATED AT THE LAST, UH, WORK SESSION WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED THAT, UM, THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT JUST REQUIRES THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROCEEDINGS, UH, BY BEING ABLE TO VIEW THE PROCEEDINGS.
THERE'S NO OTHER MINIMAL OR THERE'S, THAT IS THE MINIMAL REQUIREMENT FOR DOING THAT.
AND, UM, IN A LOT OF AREAS, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THAT IS PERMITTED HERE IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF MEETINGS, UM, FAR EXCEEDS THOSE MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS, IN PERSON VIEWING MEETINGS BY LIVESTREAM OR ON DEMAND VIDEO.
UH, THERE IS PARTICIPATION IN CITIZEN COMMENTS PERMITTED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THERE ARE, UH, CITIZENS COMMENTS AT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
UH, CITIZENS REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS AT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND THEN, UM, CITIZEN COMMENTS OF COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS OR OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER WRITTEN OR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS FROM CITIZENS TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL INDIVIDUALLY OR TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AS A GROUP.
AND THEN, UM, WRITTEN OR ELECTIVE OR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS FROM CITIZENS TO THE CLERK OF COUNCIL FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE CITY COUNCIL INDIVIDUALLY OR TO THE MARIN CITY COUNCIL AS A GROUP USE OF THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA SITES AND CITY WEBSITE.
AND THEN THE USE OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST PROCESS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IN A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TYPE OF GOVERNMENT SITUATION, THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, THE, THE CITIZENS CAN ALSO CONTACT THEIR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS, AND THEN YOU, AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THOSE IN, IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
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KNOW, YOU COULD GO WITH THIS DRAFT, YOU COULD PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY OR, YOU KNOW, ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, THE CITY ACCOUNT, THE CITY RULES OF COUNCIL COULD REMAIN AS SAME AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE.UM, I'LL SAY THAT I PERSONALLY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE SUMMER SCHEDULE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, OTHER PIECE, I, I LIKE TONY'S REVISION.
IT, IT VERY MUCH OUTLINES THE PROCESS AND LETS PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY CAN AND CAN'T SPEAK.
SO I, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CHANGE.
UH, AGAIN, ON THE SUMMER SCHEDULE, IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
THINK SO, SON, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO, UH, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING AS WRITTEN? UH, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DRAFT, THIS PARTICULAR DRAFT THAT TONY IS, THAT'S PREPARED, UH, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO ADDING THAT OR MAKING THAT CHANGE, ADOPTING THAT AS A REVISION TO THE 2023 RULES OF COUNCIL? THANK YOU.
SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, WHAT I WOULD DO IS, UH, JUST ADD THIS INTO THAT APPROPRIATE SECTION AND THE RULES OF COUNSEL, AND THEN WHAT YOU'D BE ADOPTING IS THE ENTIRE RULES OF COUNCIL FOR 2023 WITH THIS BEING THE ONLY AMENDMENT TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SO TONY, JUST GOING TO CLARIFY AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME.
IS THAT I, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE READING? YEAH, IT, IT, IT CLARIFIES THE PROCESS BETTER AND OUTLINES IT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT THERE, THERE'S NO THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO REACH OUT.
AND THIS IS REALLY RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
IT FAR EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY, SING THAT.
[ City Manager Search Process]
ITEM THREE T THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.UH, THIS WAS OPEN FOR COUNCIL, THIS WAS, UH, AN ITEM, UH, THAT WAS, UH, COMPELLED TO BE THE AGENDA.
AND I, I THINK, WAS IT GLENN THAT STARTED? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UH, I'LL LET YOU, I'LL LET YOU START.
UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE GONE FAR TOO.
WE'RE ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW WITHOUT A, UH, A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS ROLLING, A LOT OF THINGS, UH, COOKING AND, UH, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET FULLY STAFFED UP AND WE KICK THIS PROCESS BACK INTO GEAR AGAIN.
BESIDES, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIME LIMIT IS FOR, UH, THE SECOND ROUND, BUT I KNOW WE HAD, UH, I WANNA SAY A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET IT DONE.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
I, I THINK IT JUST IS BEST FOR THE CITY IF WE GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE SURE WE GET A FULL-TIME PERMANENT CITY MANAGER AT THIS POINT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? ANITA? I JUST AGREE WITH GLENN.
I, WE SAID WE DO A SIX MONTH KIND OF COOL DION PERIOD, AND IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO START LOOKING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SO, UM, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
I THINK WE PROBABLY, UH, I MEAN, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH STARTING THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN FROM THAT TIMING STANDPOINT.
UM, I WOULD HAVE, UH, A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL SERVE THIS COUNCIL MUCH BETTER THAN THE PROCESS LAST TIME.
SO ONE OF THOSE, WELL, LET'S, I'LL START BY SAYING, UM, IF WE MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, I WOULD LIKE A, I WOULD LIKE A COMMITMENT THAT IF THERE'S A CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE ON THE AGENDA, THAT MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHOW UP AND GIVE THAT CANDIDATE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.
UH, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, AND I HOPE NONE OF YOU ARE EITHER, UH, AND REPEATING THE MOCKERY THAT WAS MADE OUT OF THIS PROCEEDING THE LAST TIME.
SO I THINK, UM, A COMMITMENT WOULD BE IN ORDER, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THAT, UH, I WILL SAY TO SETTING THE EXPECTATION, IF THERE IS, UM, A CANDIDATE ON THE AGENDA AND THERE IS NOT A FULL COUNSEL PRESENT, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE TO MOVE THAT TO ANOTHER READING WHERE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, UNLESS THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION BY COUNSEL AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO THAT IS, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE, WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW THAT'S THE EXPECTATION AND IF IT'S NOT MET, WE'LL JUST MOVE IT TO ANOTHER READING.
SECONDLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO BRIAN ABOUT THIS, WHO I THINK HAS BEEN, UH, A VERY GOOD AND FUNCTIONAL INTERIM
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CITY MANAGER THAT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND LEADING THE CITY THROUGH A TIME THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY TUMULTUOUS AT TIMES.UM, SO HIS OPINION I RESPECT AND VALUE, AND AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, I THINK THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE JUST HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING TO FOLLOW SOME OTHER CITIES, UH, REGARDING EVEN TAX AMENDMENTS AND KIND OF WHAT OTHER CITIES DO.
AND I THINK, UM, I'VE DEALT WITH BRIAN.
I THINK THIS PROCESS LENDS ITSELF TO, UM, AS WE HAVE CANDIDATES FOR THIS PROCESS THAT WE INTERVIEW THE CANDIDATES IN PRIVATE, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETINGS, UH, I THINK, UH, ACCORDING TO BRIAN AND I DO BELIEVE ALSO, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE BEST INFORMATION'S, WHERE WE GET THE MOST HONEST ANSWERS.
UH, IF WE'RE ASKING, AS WE DID LAST TIME, UH, INTERVIEW QUESTIONS REGARDING STAFFING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, A CANDIDATE STAYING THERE IN PUBLIC TALKING, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THE MOST HONEST ANSWER THEY COULD.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING AND HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS, UH, IF WE WANT THAT CANDIDATE ANSWERING SOME OF THOSE STAFFING QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC FOR ALL STAFF TO HEAR.
UM, SO, UH, I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THEN THAT WE HAVE, UH, INTERVIEWS AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE MADE A SELECTION AND THE CANDIDATE HAS THEN, UH, AGREED UPON TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA, THEN WE HAVE THE VOTE.
AND THEN CERTAINLY IF IT, OR IF IT COMES DOWN TO TWO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE MEET THE CANDIDATE NIGHT AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO, TO MEET, UM, IN AN OPEN HOUSE.
SO, SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND SEE AND, AND TALK TO WHO THOSE, MAYBE THE PROPOSED CANDIDATE, IF THAT'S UNANIMOUS OR THE PROPOSED CANDIDATE, UM, UH, OR WHOEVER THE RECOMMENDED CANDIDATE IS.
AND, AND THEN CERTAINLY IF NOBODY TAKES UP THAT OFFER TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO OR, UH, AT AN OPEN HOUSE, THEN ONCE THE CITY MANAGER IS NAMED, THEN CERTAINLY WE CAN HOLD AN OPEN HOUSE AND WE CAN INVITE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY TO COME AND MEET THAT PARTICULAR PERSON.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I GO BACK TO THE CITY OF KETTERING, JUST HIRED A CITY MANAGER.
THEY HAD A SUCCESSFUL SEARCH, THEY HAD GOOD CANDIDATES.
THIS WASN'T A, A BIG PUBLIC, UH, DEBATE.
THEY INTERVIEWED THEIR CANDIDATES IN PRIVATE, THEY SELECTED A CANDIDATE, THEY PUT 'EM ON THE AGENDA, AND THEY VOTED AND THEY VOTED TO APPROVE THAT CANDIDATE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKED THE IDEA OF OF, OF BEING OPEN AND, UM, IN PUBLIC ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, BASED ON THE WAY THESE PROCEEDINGS WENT OVER THE LAST SUMMER, UH, I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF, OF, AGAIN, I'LL USE THE WORD MOCKERY, MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF THIS, UM, PROCEEDING AGAIN.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUES, I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH STARTING THIS PROCESS OVER AGAIN.
UM, BUT IF THERE, AND ONCE THERE IS A CANDIDATE ON THE AGENDA, IF THERE'S NOT A FULL COUNSEL PRESENT, WE'LL MOVE IT TO ANOTHER READING UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION AT THAT TIME.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH PRIVATE INTERVIEWS AND THEN COUNSEL MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE PUBLICLY APPOINT WHOEVER THAT CANDIDATE WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON, ON THIS PROCESS.
BUT I THINK IT IS TIME WE, WE MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD.
AND BRIAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ABOUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE JOB THAT YOU'VE DONE, UH, BUT I THINK WE ARE AT TIME WHERE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIME THAT WE RESOLVE THIS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? MARK BRIAN, UH, MAYOR GOK REFERENCED DISCUSSING THIS ITEM WITH YOU YES, SIR.
AND GAVE SOME OPINIONS OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE AND SO ON BEING I C M A CERTIFIED.
AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY WITHIN THE REGION, WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS IF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO ATTRACT THE BEST CANDIDATES POSSIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ROLE? I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO, AT LEAST COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER.
UH, I THINK TO, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S POINT, UH, I BELIEVE I'VE COUNSELED THIS BODY PREVIOUSLY, THAT WHILE YOU ARE INTERVIEWING THE CANDIDATES, THE CANDIDATES ARE ALSO INTERVIEWING YOU.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FRANK AND DIRECT DISCUSSION FOR WHOMEVER IT IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE.
UH, AND WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC'S WANT TO KNOW THE CANDIDATE, UM, AS THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO KNOW IF THE CANDIDATE CAN DO THE JOB YOU'RE HIRING THEM TO DO.
AND THE CANDIDATE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING TO WORK FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND THE BEST DIRECT DIALOGUE FOR THAT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WHILE THERE ARE COMMUNITIES WHO
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DO HOST INTERVIEWS PUBLICLY, THOSE TYPICALLY TEND TO BE IN THE MINORITY, NOT THE MAJORITY.SO, UM, MOST MANAGERS ARE INTERVIEWING IN AN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FORMAT, UH, AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU WOULD SEE A GREATER POOL OF CANDIDATES THAT WOULD BE ONE REASON FOR, UM, A GREATER POOL OF CANDIDATES.
UH, I THINK SECOND OF ALL, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT WITHIN OUR PROFESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, TURNOVER IS NOT, UM, TURNOVER IS NOT UNCOMMON.
AND A LOT OF THAT TURNOVER IS NOT NECESSARILY FOR, UM, FOR PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH POLITICS OR IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH, UM, POLITICS.
UH, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT PROFESSIONAL MANAGERS ARE CONSISTENTLY REMINDED AND ARE CONSISTENTLY, UH, ADVISED, UH, BY I ICMA TO WORK UNDER CONTRACT.
AND AMONG THE THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE CONTRACTS ARE SEVERANCE PACKAGES.
UH, AND SO WHEN YOU ARE GETTING READY TO INTERVIEW A CANDIDATE WHO'S GOING TO COME IN POSSIBLY 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS BEFORE, FOUR PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL MIGHT TURN OVER A CONCERN OF THAT CANDIDATE'S GOING TO BE, WHAT IS THE SECURITY OF MY LONG-TERM EMPLOYMENT AND SEVERANCE PACKAGES HELP MANAGERS IN OUR PROFESSION, UM, TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THEM RELOCATING THEIR FAMILIES, THAT THEM, UH, TRANSITIONING TO A DIFFERENT ROLE IS WORTH THEIR TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY.
UH, AT THIS POINT, THERE ARE MORE JOBS OPEN THAN THERE ARE QUALIFIED MANAGERS TO TAKE THOSE POSITIONS.
SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO RECRUIT SOMEBODY WHO HAS, UM, EXPERIENCE, WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN THIS SIZE COMMUNITY THAT HAS EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM AWAY FROM A POSITION IN WHICH THEY ARE RELATIVELY SECURE, YOU NEED TO OFFER THEM SECURITY.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT SEVERANCE PACKAGES, UM, AND CONTRACTUAL EMPLOYMENT ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOU MIGHT BE USED TO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IN OUR PROFESSION ALMOST ALL OF US WORK UNDER.
AND I CAN THINK OF IN ALL THE CITY MANAGERS, I I'VE KNOWN, UH, ONE CURRENTLY WORKS WITHOUT A CONTRACT.
UM, AND, UM, BUT, AND THAT IS ALL THE MANAGERS I'VE MET IN 25 YEARS, ONE WORKS WITHOUT A CONTRACT.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IS, UH, RESIDENCY.
I KNOW THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO FIND AND RECRUIT A CITY MANAGER WHO HAS A DESIRE TO BE A MEMBER, A PERMANENT MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE ARE A GREAT, MANY OF CANDIDATES, A GREAT NUMBER OF CANDIDATES WHO HAVE A DESIRE TO WANT TO DO THAT OR WANT TO BE THAT.
UH, BUT I WOULD ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES, A LOT OF US HAVE CONDITIONS.
AND SO THINGS LIKE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A MANAGER WHO MIGHT WANT TO MOVE HERE, BUT MAYBE THEY HAVE A CHILD WHO'S IN SCHOOL AND THEY'RE TRYING TO REACH A BENCHMARK BEFORE THEY CAN COME.
MAYBE YOU HAVE A MANAGER HERE WHO JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOUSE WHO DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS HOME, THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY WAS GONNA PRESENT ITSELF AND THEY NEED TO EARN SOME EQUITY.
SO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, UH, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU NOT NECESSARILY DISCHARGE A CANDIDATE FROM CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THEY'RE UNWILLING TO MOVE HERE IMMEDIATELY UPON EMPLOYMENT.
BUT PERHAPS MAYBE YOU LOOK AT OTHER THINGS LIKE PERHAPS MAYBE YOU DISCOUNT THE SALARY OR THAT YOU LOOK TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO GIVE THOSE, UH, CANDIDATES TO REACH THAT BENCHMARK, UM, IN WHATEVER THEIR PERSONAL LIFE MIGHT BE BEFORE, UM, UH, BEFORE, UM, THEY HAVE TO MOVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN CONDITION THAT AS PART OF THEIR CONTRACT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE PROTECTION THAT YOU NEED AND THEY HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF THAT, UM, WHEN, UM, UH, WHEN THEY SIT DOWN TO NEGOTIATE.
SO THOSE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU MOVE INTO THIS PROCESS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, THE BEST NUMBER OF CANDIDATES, UH, TO DO THE JOB.
AND I, AND I SAY THAT AGAIN, KNOWING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN KETTERING HAS QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT KETTERING HAS A REPUTATION FOR DEVELOPING LONG-TERM, UH, WELL-RESPECTED CITY MANAGERS.
UH, THEY PULLED A CANDIDATE POOL, I THINK OF 1918.
SO, UH, I MEAN, THAT'S A JOB THAT YEARS AGO YOU WOULD'VE LOOKED TO SEEING 50 OR 60 PEOPLE, UM, LEGITIMATE CANDIDATES, UH, IN CONSIDERATION FOR THAT, THAT POSITION.
AND THERE WERE LESS THAN 20 THIS TIME AROUND.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DRAW A TALENT FROM THE AREA AND SPECIFICALLY THE AREA, THERE WERE NO, UH, THAT I CAN THINK OF.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE CANDIDATE FROM THE REGION, UH, I THINK THE COUNCIL LOOKED AT.
SO, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF QUALIFIED MANAGERS IN THE REGION WHO WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS POSITION IF THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE INTO THE COMMUNITY ON THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT, BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT WHEN, WHEN LOOKING.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY,
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SIR.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IT, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, BRIAN, UH, YOUR POINT ABOUT SEVERANCE PACKAGE? YES, SIR.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A SEVERANCE PACKAGE, UH, FOR THE LAST FULL-TIME CITY MANAGER OF SIX MONTHS.
UM, COUNSEL DECIDED TO MOVE THAT DOWN TO THREE MONTHS.
UM, AND MY COMMENT WAS THE, A PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT PUT THAT CONTRACT IN PLACE MOVED IT UP TO SIX MONTHS.
AND THE REASON AT THAT TIME WAS THAT WE'D BEEN AT HIGH TURNOVER RATE FOR CITY MANAGERS AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE, UH, DIFFICULT FOR COUNCIL TO, UM, PART WAYS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
SO, UH, WITH YOUR COMMENT ABOUT SEVERANCE PACKAGE AND AND THE CLIENTELE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ATTRACT, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, UM, A SEVERANCE PACKAGE OF, UH, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, OR EVEN INCLUDE THREE QUARTERS? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? LET ME DO ONE COPY, NINE MONTHS.
SEE, I TEACH HISTORY NOT MATH.
SO LIKE, UM, NINE MONTHS OR MAYBE EVEN A YEAR, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE MORE PALATABLE? BECAUSE I KNOW IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR COUNCIL TO, LET'S JUST SAY GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE TO PAY THAT SALARY AND SEVERANCE PACKAGE KNOWING FULL WELL THAT ALLEVIATES ANY QUESTION OF ANY TERMINATION FOR CAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY A SEVERANCE PACKAGE, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD, AN I C M A CREDENTIALED CITY MANAGER WOULD ACCEPT THE POSITION FOR NO LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING, UM, SOMEWHERE FROM NINE MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS.
UM, I KNOW SOME SEVERANCE PACKAGES THAT GO LONG LONGER THAN THAT.
I ALSO KNOW, UM, MANAGERS THAT HAVE, UM, POST-ELECTION MULTIPLIERS IN THEIR CONTRACTS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE A MANAGER WHO LET'S SAY HAS A NINE MONTH SEVERANCE PACKAGE, BUT IF THEY'RE TERMINATED WITHIN 366 DAYS OF AN ELECTION, THEN THAT, UH, BECOMES AN 18 MONTH SEVERANCE PACKAGE AS OPPOSED THE TO THE NINE MONTH SEVERANCE PACKAGE.
UM, SEVERANCE PACKAGES, DEPENDING UPON AGAIN, HOW THEY'RE NEGOTIATED, UM, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT, UM, THEY'RE PAID OVER TIME, THEY'RE NOT LUMPED SUM AND THE CONDITION BEING THAT UPON EMPLOYMENT, UM, THE TERMINATION PACKAGE CEASES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S SAY I'M A MANAGER AND I HAVE A NINE MONTH SEVERANCE PACKAGE AND YOU TERMINATE ME, YOU WOULD PAY ME EVERY TWO WEEKS LIKE YOU DID WHEN I WAS EMPLOYED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT IF I FIND A JOB AFTER FOUR MONTHS AND I'VE GAINED FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT, THEN YOU ARE DONE PAYING MY SEVERANCE PACKAGE BECAUSE I NOW HAVE CORRECT, UH, WHAT THE SEVERANCE PACKAGE IS DESIGNED TO DO.
SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS THAT COUNCIL CAN LOOK AFTER ITS INTEREST WHILE AT THE, THE SAME TIME BEING MINDFUL OF THE INTEREST OF THE CANDIDATES AS THEY GO FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY COINCIDENCE THAT WITH COUNCIL'S INCREASE IN THE LAST CITY MANAGER UP TO SIX MONTHS SEVERANCE PACKAGE THAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE OUR LONGEST REIGNING CITY MANAGER IN HUBER HEIGHTS CITY HISTORY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS A COINCIDENCE AT ALL.
UM, BUT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, THIS ROUND, THE LAST ROUND OF, UH, INTERVIEWS, I NOTICED HOW MANY CITY MANAGERS THAT WE HAD EXPERIENCE AND HOW OFTEN THEY WOULD TYPICALLY CHANGE, UM, EMPLOYMENT AND, UH, IN DIFFERENT CITIES, UH, THROUGHOUT THEIR REGION.
THEY STAYED AND THEN MOVING AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND, AND I THINK THAT WAS DEFINITELY OBVIOUS TO ME WITH ELECTION CYCLES.
SO THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO KNOW.
I I LEARNED SOMETHING TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? KATE? COULD WE GET OUT OUR LAST CONTRACT WE'D WORKED UP AND HAVE OUR CURRENT LEGAL ADVISOR JUST START REVIEWING THAT TOO? LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA START, LET'S HAVE HIM START WITH, LET'S NOT WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE TO REVIEW THAT.
GIVE HIM SOME TIME TO WORK ON IT.
I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE FROM IS THAT POSSIBLE FROM, FROM, FROM DAVE? SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN DIRECT TONY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH ACTION, UM, TO REENGAGE, UH, PATTY, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE, UH, A COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA ITEM AND THE COUNCIL VOTE, UM, JUST WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MAJORITY WE CAN DIRECT TONY TO, TO REACH OUT AND, AND, AND START THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN PART OF THAT PROCESS I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE HAVING DAVE REVIEW OKAY.
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GET TO THE POINT OF TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF PREPPED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE AND THEN WE CAN START THE DISCUSSIONS ON, UH, SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE A CANDIDATE IN MIND WHAT THAT CONTRACT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.AND MAYOR, DIDN'T WE HAVE A VOTE TO SUSPEND THE SEARCH? I THOUGHT WE HAD ONE.
TONY, DO WE HAVE A VOTE TO SUSPEND THE SEARCH? YOU DID, BUT IT WAS JUST A DELAY, UH, FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD.
AND WHEN'S THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD UP? I THINK, UH, EARLY FEBRUARY.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EXACT DATE.
BUT WE CAN HAVE A VOTE TO START IT BACK AT ANY TIME.
YOU, YOU COULD HAVE A VOTE IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE FORMAL.
I THINK, UH, DIRECTION AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT APPROVING A NEW CONTRACT OR ANYTHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONTRACT, UH, WITH BAKER TILLEY STILL EXISTS, UH, THROUGH THAT ONE YEAR PERIOD FROM WHEN WE CEASE THE SEARCH.
SO, UM, IT COULD, COULD REALLY BE DONE EITHER WAY.
WHICHEVER COUNCIL'S MOST COMFORTABLE FOR YOU WANT TO FORMALIZE IT, THEN YEAH, IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MOTION TO, UH, DIRECT ME TO MAKE CONTACT WITH BAKER TILLEY AND TO REENGAGE IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, WHAT'S COUNCIL'S WISHES? DO YOU WANNA BRING THIS TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND AND VOTE ON IT OR DO WE WANNA JUST DIRECT TONY TO GET, UH, GET IN CONTACT WITH PATTY BAKER TILLY ASAP AND START THIS AND START THIS PROCESS? GLENN, I'M GOOD WITH THE SECOND OPTION.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING, UH, SPECIFIC OR FORMAL FOR THIS.
I BELIEVE IF TONY CAN GET THIS ROLLING AGAIN AND WE CAN GET IT MOVING.
AND THEN TONY, JUST ONCE YOU GET IN TOUCH AND MAKE CONTACT WITH PATTY, THEN YOU JUST LET US KNOW OR EMAIL AND AS LONG AS SHE HAS BLOCK MY NUMBER,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY.
IT IS, UH, WE NEED, YES, WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF REAL ESTATE.
AND THEN ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UPDATE, IT WOULD BE, UH, TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES AS WELL AS PREPARING FOR CONDUCTING OR REVIEWING NEGOTIATIONS OR BARGAINING SESSIONS WITH PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CONCERNING THEIR COMPENSATION OR OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION? OH, NANCY, I MOVED.
I WILL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? TONY, PLEASE.
MOTION TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PASS TO SEVEN TO ZERO.
WE WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UPON FINISHING, UH, WE'LL COME OUT AND GIVE AN UPDATE IF ANY ACTION WAS TAKEN.
SO IT IS NOW 9 29 AND WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND, UH, THERE'S UH, TWO ITEMS, UH, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
UH, TWO ITEMS OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE NOW PROPOSED FOR MONDAY'S.
AGENDA ITEM, UH, ONE WOULD BE A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH, UH, AFSCME.
AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM WOULD BE, UH, LEGISLATION TO, UH, PREPARE AND SHOW A CHANGE OF LOT LINES OR APPROVE A CHANGE OF LOT LINES, UM, AND PURCHASE OF PROPERTY WITH, UH, PREMIER HEALTH.
SO THOSE TWO ITEMS WILL BE ADDED TO THE WORK, I'M SORRY, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY AND IT IS 9 29 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.