[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO CITY HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS DECEMBER THE SIXTH, 2022.
MS. ME IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO KAREN, IF YOU WOULD CALL THEM PLEASE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
NEXT UP IS I NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE, UH, ONE SET THAT IS, UH, ITEM TWO A, WHICH IS FROM NOVEMBER 22ND, 2022.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED THIS EVENING FOR, UH, WHICH IS ITEM THREE, OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION, UH, WE DO HAVE TWO ITEMS, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO AMEND THIS AGENDA THIS EVENING.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD'VE, KAREN, READ WHAT THOSE, UH, WHAT THAT MOTION WOULD BE FOR THOSE TWO OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
IT'S A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO ADD ITEM THREE S FOR AN INCREASE TO THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR JOINT VENTURES.
AND ITEM THREE T AUTHORIZING A MORAL CLAIM FOR TIRE DAMAGE TO AN INDIVIDUAL CAUSED BY THE HE HEIGHTS POLICE DIVISION WHILE ASSISTING ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AT A PURSUIT OF A STOLEN VEHICLE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA? KATE? I MOVED TO MAKE A MOTION TO THE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? KAREN, PLEASE? MS. BAKER? YES.
AND THE MOTION TO AGEN, SORRY.
THE AGENDA PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO.
SO WE HAVE ADDED ITEM THREE S AND ITEM THREE
[ City Manager Report]
AS WE GET STARTED OUR, UH, DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.BRIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
UH, A FEW ITEMS FOR COUNSEL, THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST, UH, LEAF PICKUP WILL END ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER 30TH, SO MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR, UH, LEAVES OUT, UH, TO THE STREET BEFORE THEN.
UH, WANNA MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT THE CITY WAS AWARDED AN O P WC GRANT FOR THE FISHBURG WIDENING AND SIDEWALK PROJECT.
UH, THAT'S A $200,000 GRANT, UH, PAIRED WITH A $200,000 0% INTEREST LOAN.
UM, WE'LL BE WORKED TO, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING TO GET THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
UH, ALSO WANNA LET, UH, COUNSEL KNOW THAT THE CITY WAS AWARDED, UH, $62,400 IN EDGE GRANT REVENUES, OR IN, EXCUSE ME, EDGE GRANT MONIES, UH, TO SUPPORT MULLO INDUSTRIES AND THEIR H V A C, UH, UPGRADE IN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY SWING AT COMMUNITY PARK IS BEING INSTALLED THIS WEEK AND SHOULD BE FULLY SERVICEABLE AND ACCESSIBLE, UH, AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK.
I ALSO WANNA LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT, UH, THE A A R P, UH, SENIOR FRIENDLY FOCUS GROUP MET YESTERDAY OVER AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
UH, THEY ARE DISCUSSING THE AGE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE'LL BE GOING OUT EARLY IN 2023.
AND THEN, UH, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, I DID WANNA POINT COUNSEL'S ATTENTION TO THE NEWEST FACE AT THE STAFF TABLE.
UH, OUR NEW ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, KYRON GRANT, UH, KYRON JOINS US FROM THE, UH, CITY OF DAYTON, WHERE HE WAS FORMERLY A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST.
UH, KYRON IS RETIRED AIR FORCE.
HE HOLDS A BACHELOR'S FROM ARIZONA STATE, A MASTERS FROM VILLANOVA, AND WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD, ESPECIALLY AS HE REPRESENTS BOTH A PERSPECTIVE FROM, UH, THE MUNICIPAL, UH, WORLD, FROM THE PUBLIC SERVANT WORLD, UH, BUT ALSO FROM A HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENCY PERSPECTIVE.
SO HE'S BEEN ON STAFF ABOUT A WEEK, UM, AND, UH, DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSEL, SIR.
UNLESS COUNSEL HAS ANYTHING FOR ME, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME.
AND, UM, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, UH, ANYTHING YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT YOUR FIRST WEEK? UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UH, SEVERAL, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS, UH, MAINLY POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, LEARNING A LOT.
VERY EXCITED TO, UH, BE HERE WITH THE, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND, UH, ASSIST THE CITY MANAGER AND HELPING MOVE FORWARD THE CITY'S STRATEGIC VISION.
THANK YOU AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, UH, FOR BRIAN? YES, KATE.
BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PARK? THE, UM, H THE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? OH, THE PARK.
THAT'S, UH, COMMUNITY PARK, MA'AM.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR BRIAN? OKAY.
[ Equipment Purchase Agreement - Patterson Pope - Police Division]
THREE B, WHICH IS THE EQUIPMENT PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR PATTERSON POPE THROUGH THE POLICE[00:05:01]
DIVISION.THIS RESOLUTION IS TO AUTHORIZE US TO, UM, USE PATTERSON POPE TO PURCHASE NEW LOCKERS AND BENCHES FOR THE, UH, MEN'S AND WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM.
AS A POLICE DIVISION, THE LOCKERS ARE, UH, STARTING TO, UH, BE RUSTED AND, AND DISREPAIR ALSO BY ADDING THESE NEW LOCKERS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 50, WE HAVE 49 LOCKERS IN THE MEN'S AND SIX IN THE WOMEN'S.
THIS WILL ADD, UH, TO EACH LOCKER ROOM.
WE'LL ADD SIX TO THE MEN'S LOCKER ROOM, AND WE WILL ADD TWO TO THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM.
ALSO, IT WILL, UH, ENABLE THE OFFICERS TO CHARGE THEIR FLASHLIGHTS, UM, AND RADIOS INSIDE THEIR LOCKER.
THERE'LL BE ELECTRIC, UH, OUTLET, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A USB PORT IN EACH LOCKER TO BE ABLE TO, UH, KEEP THEIR EQUIPMENT CHARGED.
ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE CHIEF REGARDING THE ADDITION OF THESE LOCKERS? OKAY.
PARDON? YOU GONNA FIGHT? I SAID THEY GONNA FIGHT OVER THE NEW CAPABILITIES AND NEW LOCKERS.
THERE'S ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THEM.
CHIEF, COULD YOU SPEAK JUST A BIT TO THE, UM, UM, OFFSETTING DONATION? SURE, YEAH.
I HAD A, UH, LOCAL BUSINESSMAN COME INTO MY OFFICE AND INDICATED THAT HE WANTED TO DONATE SOME MONEY, UH, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY.
AND, UH, AND I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE PROJECT WITH THE LOCKERS, AND HE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN, UH, IN THAT.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIM HALF A DOZEN TIMES SINCE THEN.
AND, UH, AND HE HAS, UH, TOLD ME THAT HE IS INTERESTED IN DONATING UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TOWARD THE PROJECT.
SINCE NONE OF US KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THIS, UH, DONOR, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, HE OR SHE IS LISTENING AND, UH, KNOWS THAT WE'RE SINCERELY THANKFUL.
IF YOU'D CERTAINLY PASS ON OUR THANKS AND CERTAINLY MINE.
ANY OBJECTION MOVING THIS ONTO ON MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ Apparatus Purchase - Fire Division]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS APPARATUS PURCHASE FROM THE FIBER.UH, CHIEF EISEL, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M GOOD.
UH, WE ARE HERE FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE WE'RE HERE, UH, AT LEAST, UH, A MONTH EARLIER THAN WHAT WE HAD PLANNED ON.
UM, WE'VE HAD IN THE C I P FOR SEVERAL YEARS REPLACEMENT OF, UH, WHAT WE CALL ENGINE 25 AND ALSO OUR RESERVE ENGINE.
THE RESERVE ENGINE, UH, THAT WILL GET REPLACED, UH, WAS, UH, UH, PURCHASE AND PUT IN SERVICE A YEAR BEFORE I STARTED HERE.
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN IN A RESERVE ROLE.
IT'S A FAIRLY RELIABLE PIECE, BUT IT IS GETTING UP IN AGE.
AND THEN THE ENGINE THAT WILL FILTER INTO THE RESERVE SPOT IS A 2006, UH, FIRE APPARATUS.
THAT, UH, 2006 FIRE APPARATUS HAS SEVEN, 7,910 HOURS ON IT AS OF TWO HOURS AGO.
AND, UH, ABOUT 97,000 MILES ON IT.
SO I GIVE YOU THE HOURS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE PUMPING AND THE ENGINE'S RUNNING, IT'S COMPARABLE TO ABOUT 470,000 MILES IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE 60 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, IT'S BEEN IN THE C I P AND WE, WE DON'T WANNA BUY IT UNTIL WE HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY IT, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, SO JANUARY ONE, IF THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO PURCHASE THAT ENGINE, UH, ARE ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.
UH, THEY'RE THE MANUFACTURER THAT WE BOUGHT OUR TILLER.
AND IN FACT, THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH, UH, SUING VEHICLE.
UH, THE, THE VENDOR HAS CALLED US UP, UH, PROBABLY THREE WEEKS AGO AND SAID THAT IF YOU DO NOT ORDER BY DECEMBER 15TH, UH, THE PRICE IS GONNA GO UP TO ABOUT FIF BY ABOUT $50,000.
SO I APPROACHED, UH, MR. KOWSKI TO, UH, SEE IF IT WOULD BE OUR DESIRE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING.
AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS CREATIVE LANGUAGE THAT SATISFIES THE VENDOR.
THE VENDOR NEEDS TO HAVE THE ORDER SIGNED BY DECEMBER 15TH.
UH, THE LEGISLATION, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, GIVES THEM THE ASSURANCES SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER BUSINESS NEEDS.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE ORDER, UH, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE RUSHED TOGETHER.
UH, I JUST LOOKED, UH, LOOKED UP.
UH, IT WAS AUGUST THE 12TH, THE 10TH, OR THE 12TH.
UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST ENGINE WORKING GROUP COMMITTEE.
SO A GROUP OF FIREFIGHTERS, FIRE OFFICERS, AND BATTALION CHIEF MALL HAD ALL GOTTEN TOGETHER AND LOOKED TO SEE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE RIGHT, UH, WHAT WE COULD IMPROVE ON, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT GENERATION OF FIREFIGHTERS HERE SINCE THE LAST ENGINE THAT WE BOUGHT OR SINCE THIS ENGINE THAT WE BOUGHT.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT RUSHING ANYTHING.
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WE, WE, WE KNOW WE'RE RUSHING TO GET YOU TO APPROVE THE MONEY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE HAVE A PACKAGE THAT WE THINK IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE FIRE DIVISION.ANY QUESTIONS GOING ONCE? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS? MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ The Oaks Subdivision - Street Dedications]
NEXT I THREE E, WHICH IS THE YO SUBDIVISION.WE HAVE SOME STREET DEDICATIONS.
UM, THIS LEGISLATION LEGISLATION'S FOR APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE OF TWO STREETS WITHIN THE OAK SUBDIVISION.
UH, UH, SECTION NINE OF THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, MAP IS ENCLOSED.
YOUR PACKET SHOWING THE TWO STREETS, UH, SHOWN IN RED.
AND, UH, THE STREETS WERE INSPECTED AND, UH, FINAL REPAIRS WERE MADE, AND THE FINAL COURSE OF ASPHALT WAS COMPLETED.
UH, THIS WILL MAKE THE CITY, IT'LL MAKE IT A PUBLIC STREET, AND WHICH WILL NOW BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY FOR PLOWING AND FOR AND FOR REPAIRS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? YES, NANCY? UH, FIRST DOES THIS CLOSE OUT? THE, UM, THIS DOESN'T CLOSE OUT THE DEDICATION OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, DOES IT? IT'S JUST THE STREETS.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY MORE STREETS ARE IN THE OAKS TO BE BEFORE THAT IS COMPLETELY FINISHED.
SO THIS IS, YEAH, JUST FOR ALL THE STREETS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY CLOSING OUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT THESE, THIS IS THE LAST OF THE STREETS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS.
[ Carriage Trails Subdivision - Street Dedications]
AND ITEM THREE E CARRIED TRAIL SUBDIVISION.WE HAVE SOME STREET DEDICATIONS THERE, RUSS? YES, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
UH, IT'S 10 STREETS WITHIN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ALSO A MAP, UH, IS ENCLOSED, UH, IN THIS CASE THOUGH, THE NEW STREETS ARE THE, UM, DEDICATED STREETS ARE IN GREEN IN, IN THIS CASE, FOR THE 10 STREETS.
UH, ALSO THEY WERE INSPECTED AND MADE REPAIRS AND ASPHALTS COMPLETED.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL BE FOR THE CITY TO MAINTAIN NOW AND PLOW AND MAKE REPAIRS.
ANY QUESTIONS, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR RUSS.
UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEM AND THE CURRENT ITEM, UM, HOW MANY, UH, MILES OF STREETS ARE WE LOOKING TO ADD? UH, JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO ITEMS, CAUGHT ME UP GUARD.
I PROBABLY HAVE A MILE, MAYBE.
IF YOU CAN GET THAT BACK TO ME, UH, I CAN DO, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE LIST.
[ Fishburg Road/Endicott Road Storm Culvert Replacement - Award Contract]
IS ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS FISHBURG ROAD, INDICO ROAD STORM CULVERT REPLACEMENT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.UH, RUSS, THIS IS YOU ALSO? YES, IT IS.
UM, THIS WAS KINDA WORKING WITH MIKE ON THIS ONE.
UM, THERE'S A CULVERT OVER ON, UH, FISHBURG ROAD JUST TO THE WEST OF ENDICOTT.
I, I DID SHOW, HAVE A MAP IN THERE ALSO SHOWING WHERE IT'S AT.
UH, THIS IS AN OLD CORRUGATE METAL PIPE THAT'S CORRODED AND NEEDS REPLACED.
UH, WE DID GET QUOTES FROM THREE CONTRACTORS, ONLY GOT QUOTES BACK FROM TWO.
UH, CG CONSTRUCTION WAS THE LOWEST AND BEST FOR THIS.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO AWARD IT TO THEM.
WE PUT A NOT TO EXCEED A $40,000.
UH, THE SECOND QUOTE WAS AT 55,600.
UH, CG CONSTRUCTION HAS PERFORMED MANY PROJECTS IN THE CITY, AND, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE A GOOD JOB.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE A STORMWATER FUND, UH, PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, HUNTER? YES, RICHARD.
UH, UM, ARE WE GONNA BE DOING ANY TYPE OF, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, ROAD MAINTENANCE PAVING? I KNOW WE DID SOME, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY SOME, UM, SOME SIDE ROAD, UH, BERM IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE WITH SOME GRAVEL WORK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, PREVIOUSLY, ARE WE GONNA BE CONTINUING THAT PROCESS? I BELIEVE SO, BUT, UM, MIKE PRETTY MUCH DOES THAT.
I, I DON'T TELL HIM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE IN TANDEM.
I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS DIRECTION BY COUNCILS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK ON A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS IN TANDEM.
UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE WORKING IN TANDEM.
IF YOU COULD, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IT WON'T BE, THIS CONTRACTOR WON'T BE DOING THAT, BUT IF CORRECT, MIKE'S CREW MIGHT BE DOING IT.
AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH, UM, WITH A LOT OF THE GREENERY DOWN, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE A MORE OPTIMAL TIME.
BUT, UM, UH, WITH A LOT OF THE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES, SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE STARTING TO, TO GROW OVER IN THAT AREA.
UM, IF, UH, THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE IT STARTS GREENING UP IN SPRING AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND WE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
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NEXT[ Disposal of Surplus Property - Engineering Division]
IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY IN THE ENGINEERING DIVISION, RUSS? YEAH, WE HAD, UH, TWO VEHICLES THAT WE'D LIKE TO PUT OUT FOR, UH, GOV DEALS PUT OUT AT AUCTION.UH, IT'S JUST A, A 2009 CHEVY IMPALA, WHICH WE USED AS A BACKUP.
AND IT WAS AN OLD POLICE CAR AND A 2011 FORD F-150 PICKUP TRUCK THAT ONE OF OUR INSPECTORS HAD USED.
BRIAN, OR I GUESS, AND JIM, WHEN WE DID THE, UM, THE LEASE AGREEMENT, WE, WE KIND OF CHANGED THINGS OVER FOR HOW WE'RE GETTING OUR VEHICLES.
WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT? WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED HOW THOSE LEASES NOW ARE COMING THROUGH VERSUS THE PURCHASE.
AND THEN ALSO CITY OF DAYTON HAS JUST MADE A REALLY BIG DEAL ABOUT BRINGING IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES INTO THEIR FLEET.
AND I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME OF THAT, BUT CORRECT.
UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LOVE FROM ANYBODY ABOUT, ABOUT, WE WERE ABOVE THE PACE ON THAT BY ABOUT A YEAR.
SO, SO JUST ANY KIND OF UPDATE ABOUT THAT? SURE.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROGRAM, UH, WE ARE, I'D SAY 85% OF THE WAY THROUGH OUR INITIAL PHASE OF REPLACEMENTS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE WHOLE, UM, SUPPLY CHAIN, UH, MICROCHIP DEBACLE.
UH, SO THERE ARE A FEW VEHICLES.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, I THINK IN THE PUBLIC WORKS OR PUBLIC WORKS, I THINK IN THE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH THE HYUNDAI, UH, TUCSON, I THINK WAS THE, THE ORIGINAL VEHICLE.
AND, BUT BETWEEN PURCHASES AND ALLOCATIONS AND ALL THESE CHANGES, WE WOUND UP WITH FORD EXPLORERS.
AND I MEAN, THAT WAS LIKE A FIVE MONTH PROCESS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
UH, SO WE'VE HAD A FEW DELAYS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
BUT BY AND LARGE, ABOUT 85% OF THE FLEET IS HERE BASED ON THAT PROGRAM.
CHIEF NICELY HAS A COUPLE OF VEHICLES THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN DELAYED, BUT, UH, THERE'S THE, UH, UH, HIS SPECIFICATION OF THE, UH, CANDY, APPLE RED, UH, FOR HIS VEHICLES, UH, MAKES, UH, MAKES THE ACQUISITION OF THOSE OR THE IDENTIFICATION OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT, UH, THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.
UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW ELECTRIC VEHICLES INCLUDED IN THE FLEET.
UH, THAT'S PART OF THE REPLACEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR, I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT COUNCIL HAD WANTED US TO CONSIDER.
AND SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES TO, UH, TO TRY THAT OUT AND TO DETERMINE, UH, WHAT THAT ELECTRIC, UH, PRODUCT WOULD DO AND HOW THAT WOULD FUNCTION.
UH, SO, UM, IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, WE WOULD LOOK TO START CYCLING OUT.
WHAT WOULD BE THIS PHASE? SO PHASE ONE WOULD CYCLE OUT ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
SO IF WE'RE SEEING, UM, POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WE WOULD LOOK TO BEGIN ADDING ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN ABOUT FOUR YEARS, IS WHERE THAT IS.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, ANYTIME ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO, TO SWING BY THE NEWER LOOKING WHITE VEHICLES IN THE LOT OUTBACK, UH, THAT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, THAT'S NEW, UH, HERE ON SITE.
BUT, UM, UH, THESE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE, UM, DECLARING SURPLUS, THIS FIRST GROUP WILL BE SOLD.
UH, WE WILL BE SELLING THOSE, AND THEN ALL OF THESE LEASES WILL, IN THE FUTURE, WILL BE REPLACED THROUGH OUR PROGRAM.
SO THAT WILL BE THAT, UH, EQUITY TRADE OUT.
THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT WITH COUNCIL.
IT'S ONLY THIS INITIAL, UH, RELEASE OF OUR CURRENT VEHICLES, UH, THAT WILL BE DONE THROUGH TRADITIONAL SALE.
SO THESE ARE BACK UP, THESE TWO, WE'RE GETTING RID OF NOT CREATING THE VOID, AND WE GET NEW ONES.
SO THIS IS A TRADE OUT FOR WHAT'S COMING.
UM, DO WE HAVE A CHARGING STATION FOR THESE EV VEHICLES COMING THAT'S IN THE POLICE LOT OR THE CITY LOT HERE? LIKE, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? UM, I KNOW ONE'S SUPPOSED TO COME THE ROSE AND THE CLOUD, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, MA'AM.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE CHARGING STATIONS HERE IN THE CITY, BUT, UH, THE LOGISTICS BETWEEN, UH, STAFF AND, UH, YES.
SO THE LOGISTICS BETWEEN OUR STAFF AND ENTERPRISE FOR THESE VEHICLES, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN WORKED OUT YET, BUT THAT'S PART OF THIS NEXT, THESE VEHICLES ARE PART OF THAT GROUP COMING IN.
SO, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN CONFRONTED WITH HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I KNOW AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE WILL.
AND, UH, YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BUT, UM, THROUGH THE, UH, BILATERAL INFRASTRUCTURE LAW, THEY'RE PUTTING A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THE CARBON REDUCTION MM-HMM.
SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR SOME MONEY TO PAY FOR ADDITIONALS TO RESOURCES.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME EMAIL TRAFFIC THAT CAME INTO THE CITY, I WANNA SAY THE LAST WEEK OR SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
SO, UH, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HERE IN THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE, ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF WE, WE QUALIFY FOR.
BRIAN, OTHER THAN THE, UM, LOGISTICS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM ENTERPRISE THUS FAR, OR, UM, WELL, SO FAR, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, SO FAR I THINK THAT, UM, WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE, HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, UH, ABOUT THE CONDITION OF
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THE VEHICLES.SO WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO HAVING TO RUN OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, PUT JUMPER CABLES ON VEHICLES OR WHATNOT OR, OR, UM, SWAP VEHICLES OUT FOR MAINTENANCE REPAIRS LIKE WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY.
UH, I THINK WE'LL REALLY BE, BEGIN TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE BUDGET STARTING NEXT YEAR, NOW THAT THE FLEETS HERE, UH, ARE A PORTION OF THE FLEETS HERE, AND WE'RE ABLE TO OPERATE.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE SHOULD SEE, I SHOULD SAY, HOPEFULLY WE ARE ANTICIPATING TO SEE A DECREASE IN OUR MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.
UH, AND, AND, AND THAT TRADEOFF THEN WILL COME IN THROUGH THOSE CAPITAL LEASE PAYMENTS.
SO IT SHOULD BE A, A ZERO NET EFFECT ON THE BUDGET, UH, BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ City Staffing Levels/Table of Organization]
UP IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS CITY STAFFING LEVELS IN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.UH, WANTED TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK, UH, PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE LAST, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, BUT, UH, BEFORE I YIELD THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION, UH, I DID WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATIONS, UH, CHARTS THAT ARE, UH, AT THE DIAS TONIGHT.
UM, WE AS STAFF WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT COUNCIL GAVE US TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE PRESENTING WAS, UH, AS ACCURATE AS WE COULD.
AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE CAME ACROSS, UH, A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO CLARIFY.
AND SO I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THOSE ITEMS, UH, BY, UH, THE, UH, THE COLOR CODED CHART.
THIS IS THE CHART THAT IS CURRENTLY WITHIN, UH, THE PACKET TONIGHT, ABSENT THE COLOR CODES.
UH, AND I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT, UH, THAT THOSE ITEMS IN YELLOW, UM, THESE ARE VACANT POSITIONS.
AND BASED ON OUR KEY, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS CHART, THEY SHOULD BE OUTLINED IN DOTTED LINES INDICATING THAT THEY ARE VACANT.
SO WE WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, UH, TO THE FACT THAT ON DECEMBER 12TH IN THAT PACKET, THOSE BOXES THAT ARE COLORED YELLOW, THEY WON'T BE COLORED YELLOW IN THE DECEMBER 12TH CHART.
BUT WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THAT THOSE BOXES WILL NOW BE OUTLINED AND DOTTED LINES, NOT STRAIGHT LINES.
SO WE WANT IT TO BE AS ACCURATE AS WE COULD.
UH, SO I WANNA CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE NOTICED, UH, IS TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE CHART, WHICH IS THE ORANGE BOX FOR THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHY THAT DUPLICATED, BUT THAT IS A DUPLICATED POSITION.
THAT'S WHY WE COLOR IT AN ORANGE.
UH, AND THAT WILL NOT APPEAR ON THE CHART AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO VERSIONS OF KAI ON STAFF, UM, THAT IS NOT, UH, THE DESIRE WISH OF COUNSEL, UH, NOR DO WE NEED THAT POSITION.
SO, UH, FOR THE CHART THAT WILL APPEAR IN THE PACKET, UH, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL HAVE THAT POSITION ABSENT.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CHART.
AND WHILE WE COULD HAVE JUST WRITTEN THESE OFFICE SCRIBNER'S ERRORS, UH, BASED ON COUNSEL'S CONVERSATION AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS INFORMATION IS CORRECT AND ACCURATE AS WE CAN, UH, WE WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.
SO, IF YOU'LL NOTE, UH, THERE ARE DATES ON THE TOP OF THESE CHARTS.
THE COLORED ONE HAS DECEMBER 6TH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE CHART.
UH, AND THEN THE ONE THAT HAS THE DATE DECEMBER, UM, IS, UH, IS THE ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE, UH, ACTUAL COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING PACKET, UH, NEXT WEEK.
UH, BEYOND THAT, UM, TO COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TALK WITH, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE, THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, EITHER, UH, DIRECTLY AFTER THE MEETING OR IN SOME CAPACITY, UH, FOLLOWING LAST, UH, COUNSEL'S LAST DISCUSSION, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND ADDRESS MANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAD.
UM, HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THOSE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE FROM THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, AND, AND HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF, UH, COUNSEL'S DIALOGUE, DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THE YORK CHART, BRIAN.
AS I'M SURE EVERYONE ELSE DOES, UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS REGARDING THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AT YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, BRIAN, I NOTICED THAT THE PARKS AND REC POSITION IS STILL IN THERE.
IS IT STILL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THAT INTO THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT? IT IS STILL MY RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT, SIR.
UM, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT MOVING, UM, THE PARKS TECH TO A PARKS MANAGER FROM PARKS MANAGER TO A PARKS TECHNICIAN WAS DUE TO AN ISSUE WITH THE PERSONNEL IN THAT POSITION.
WAS THAT TRUE? UH, SIR, I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR MATTERS IN THIS FORUM.
AS I'VE STATED PUBLICLY, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAVE MADE IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, UH, OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONS.
UH, THAT WILL CHANGE IN LIGHT OF, UM, THE Y M C A, UH, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND STEPPING UP, UH, THOSE SERVICES, UH, THAT THEY OFFER TO THE CITY, UH, AS WELL AS HAVING ADDITIONAL STAFF AVAILABLE, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS, UH, OF THE CITY, AND HOW THEY RELATE TO SUPPORTING, UH, THE PARTS AND RECREATION
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COMMISSION, AS WELL AS, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER ASPECTS OF THE ORGANIZATION.SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER CORRECTLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
I JU SORRY, MY, MY APOLOGIES, BUT I THINK I JUST DID ANSWER THAT QUESTION WELL, YEAH, BUT I'D LIKE TO NARROW IT DOWN TO MAKE IT SIMPLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE WAY I AM.
UM, NOT ANY DETAIL, JUST IN GENERAL, SO I, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS THAT, SIR.
I'VE ALREADY STATED PUBLICLY WHY I'VE MADE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND NOT IN, NOT GONNA ADDRESS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION EITHER, SIR.
I'VE ALREADY STATED PUBLICLY WHY I'VE MADE MY RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, MAYOR, UM, YOU CAN COUNT ME AS A, UM, WHAT IS THAT? UH, OBJECTION TO THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? YES.
WHEN ARE YOU HAVING THE MEETING WITH THE Y M C A ABOUT PROGRAMMING? DID, UM, I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD STATED TO ME.
DID YOU GET THE ANSWERS ABOUT MEMBERSHIPS, IF WE USED THEM FOR PROGRAMMING THE, THE CONTENT OF TODAY'S CONVERSATION? LET ME PULL THIS UP.
SO THE CLIFFS NOTES VERSION OF TODAY'S MEETING, UH, HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, THE Y M C A COMMUNITY CENTERED RENTAL.
UH, THEY ARE BEGINNING, UH, TO ROLL, ROLL OUT SOFTWARE EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY 9TH THAT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO UTILIZE QR CODES TO RESERVE, UM, SHELTERS, UH, THROUGH THE CITY.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, UH, FOLKS COULD U THEN UTILIZE A QR CODE TO ALSO RENT, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE, UM, THE RENTAL, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, THROUGH THAT SOFTWARE PACKAGE.
UH, AND THEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE WOULD WORK TO FACILITATE THAT, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE APPROPRIATE ACCESS CODES AND INFORMATION ARE AVAILABLE TO THE END USERS, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE FACILITY IS CLEAN AND AVAILABLE FOR USERS, THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TABLES AND CHAIRS OR WHATEVER, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BEING IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
UM, THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, Y M C A ACTIVITY PROGRAMMING.
UH, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, WAS BEGINNING A CONVERSATION AND STARTING DOWN THE PATH FOR A GREATER PRESENCE OF THE Y AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
A NUMBER OF, UM, OUR SENIORS ALSO PARTICIPATE AT THE Y AND A NUMBER OF THEIR ACTIVITIES.
UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A MODEL DOWN IN COLE RAIN TOWNSHIP, WHERE THE CITY PROVIDES, EXCUSE ME, THE TOWNSHIP OF COLERAIN PROVIDES A STAFF PERSON, UH, AT THAT FACILITY, WHICH WE ALREADY DO HERE.
UH, BUT THAT THE Y M C ACTUALLY HANDLES PROGRAMMING, UM, IN ALMOST ALL CAPACITIES AT THE COLRAIN TOWNSHIP, UH, FACILITY.
SO THE CONCEPT WAS TO DO SOME MORE INVESTIGATION ABOUT THAT, UH, PARTICULAR ARRANGEMENT, AND SEE HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD AN AGREEMENT, AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT, TO ALLOW THE Y M C A TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, SENIOR, UM, PROGRAMMING AT OUR FACILITY, UM, UH, BOTH AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION, AND THEN TO GROW THAT AT THE NEW LOCATION IN 2025, PLUS OR MINUS.
UH, WE HAD, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT PROGRAMMING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UH, PROGRAMMING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER WOULD INCLUDE A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS.
UM, MR. LINMAN THOUGHT THAT THE FACILITY SET ITSELF UP APPROPRIATELY FOR, UH, DAY CAMP, SUMMER DAY CAMP.
UH, AND HE THOUGHT THAT, UH, THE UTILIZATION OF THAT FACILITY AS A DAY CAMP TO INCLUDE, UH, SUMMER, UH, PARK AND REC SPORTS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, AS WELL AS A, UH, FEEDING PROGRAM, UH, THAT THOSE, UH, WOULD ALL QUALIFY, UH, FOR, UH, SUPPORT FUNDING THROUGH OUR OPIOID, UH, REVENUES THAT ARE COMING TO US FROM THE STATE.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO SUPPORT THAT.
UH, HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING THAT AS A VEHICLE.
HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A VEHICLE TO, UH, PROVIDE Y M C A SERVICES SOUTH OF 70, UH, TO REACH MORE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, AND SO HE IS LOOKING AT WAYS THAT, UH, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING IN GROUP EXERCISE CLASSES AND OTHER AMENITIES, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE.
UH, IN THE FALL, WINTER, AND EARLY SPRING, UH, HE CONSIDERED THE FACILITY TO QUOTE, BE A BLANK CANVAS, END QUOTE.
UM, AND THAT, UH, I HAD ASKED HIM TO BEGIN, UH, TO TALK WITH HIS FOLKS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD BE IN A POSITION TO ACTUALLY OFFER A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM EFFECTIVE THIS
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SUMMER.SO THAT'S, UH, WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
UH, THERE IS THE, UH, LEGO SUMMER CAMP, UM, THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO, UH, THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE.
UH, AND, UH, THIS APPEARS TO ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, THE Y M C A TO BE ABLE TO SUPERVISE THAT PROGRAM.
I BELIEVE IT'S A WEEK LONG, UH, PROGRAM, UH, FROM PIXELATED, SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THAT PROGRAM AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THEN WE TALKED ABOUT AN ABILITY TO, UH, HAVE THE WHY, UH, PROVIDE SUPPORT, NOT THE LEAD, UH, POSITION, BUT TO STEP UP SUPPORT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, CONCERTS AT THE IKE AND THE SUMMER MOVIE SERIES.
UH, TRANSITIONING TO, UH, A GENERAL FOCUS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION.
UH, HE CITED CONVERSATIONS THAT HE HAD HAD WITH, UH, WITH MR. KING ABOUT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY PROLIFERATING EVENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, PROVIDED BY THE, UH, THE COMMISSION, BUT ACTUALLY HONING THOSE AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT EVENTS THEY ARE DOING ARE NOT, UH, OF QUALITY, BUT, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT OF QUANTITY, BUT OF QUALITY.
SO THAT WAS THE NATURE OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, UH, BETWEEN MYSELF AND MR. LINMAN.
SO YOU DIDN'T GET INTO THE WHOLE, YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PROVIDING FUNDS AND PUTTING ON A POSITION THAT THE HUBER RESIDENTS GET, IF THERE'S A PROGRAM FEE THAT WE GET A LOWER FEE VERSUS SOMEBODY THAT COMES FROM VANDALIA, LIKE KETTERING REC DOES.
SO THOSE, THERE'S A RESIDENCY FEE VERSUS A, SO THOSE WOULD ALL BE THINGS THAT GET FLUSHED OUT DOWN THE LINE AS WE GO.
BUT AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THE IDEA IS TO START THE DISCUSSION AND START CHECKING OFF BOXES.
SO, UH, CAN WE MEET LICENSING REQUIREMENTS? CAN WE MEET PERSONNEL REQUIREMENTS? ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET, UH, HANDICAPS, ACCESS'S ABILITY, RESTROOM STALL, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO AS WE CHECK DOWN THAT LIST, THERE WILL BE A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THINGS COST AND WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, UH, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO, WHETHER OR NOT, FOR INSTANCE, THE OPIOID MONEY, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE MIGHT COVER THE FULL COST OF THE PROGRAM.
THERE MIGHT BE OTHER FEDERAL OR STATE GRANTS THAT COVER THAT PROGRAM.
UM, SO THERE MIGHT NOT NEED TO BE FEE STRUCTURES.
WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A FEE STRUCTURE.
WE MIGHT NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A TIERED FEE STRUCTURE.
SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT, BUT THAT'S SEVERAL WEEKS, IF NOT MONTHS AWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.
BUT THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHERE WE THOUGHT THE CITY AND THE WISE RELATIONSHIP SHOULD BE, WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD, HOW WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY, AND TO KIND OF GET THAT ROLLING.
SO, UM, UH, MR. LIMAN HAS TO, TO GO TALK WITH HIS FOLKS ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD, THAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH, UH, SOME OF THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND THE TIMELINES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE, THE COST AND, AND KIND OF THE, UM, WE'LL START TO PUT THE DEVIL INTO DETAIL, SO TO SPEAK, AS, AS WE GET CLOSER TO, UH, TO H HOUR D DAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
BRIAN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS SO FAR AS TO, UM, WHAT, IF ANY, ADDITIONAL CHARGES, UH, THE WHY WILL, UM, HIT US WITH FOR THESE ADDITIONAL SERVICES? UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, THERE HAS NOT BEEN, UH, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AND WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO.
UH, SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE SENIOR SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ON THE, UM, ON THE GROUP CLASSES, UM, I ENVISION THAT, UM, FROM THE, THE TONE AND CONTEXT OF OUR CONVERSATION, I ENVISION THOSE BEING MORE OF ONE-OFFS.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, UM, THOSE ARE CLASSES THAT YOU WOULD ALREADY SIGN UP FOR AT THE Y.
SO RATHER THAN GOING TO THE Y AND GOING TO ROOM 1 0 1, YOU WOULD GO TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO THEY WOULD SIMPLY BE HOLD HOLDING THOSE CLASSES AT OUR LOCATION.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE CONSISTENT PROGRAMMING, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A CONSISTENT STAFF PRESENCE, I THINK THEN THAT'S WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SEE THOSE KINDS OF CONCERNS, THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION, UH, OCCURRING.
BUT, UH, FOR THE MOMENT, UM, I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP, UM, IN, UH, SUPPORT AND INPUT, ESPECIALLY ON THE SENIOR SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS A NUMBER OF, UH, MEMBERS ON THEIR, UH, SENIOR ADVISORY COUNCIL UP AT THE Y ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS SENIORS.
SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME NATURAL, I WON'T CALL IT, UH, REPLICATION OR DUPLICATION, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME NATURAL SEGMENTS, UH, OF THE SENIOR PROGRAMMING THAT WOULD JUST AS EASILY LOCATE TO THE POWELL ROAD FACILITY WITHOUT COST CHARGE OR, OR, UM, UH, OR A GREAT DEAL OF, OF LOGISTICS EFFORT THAT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE, THE LOW HANGING FRUITS THAT MR. LINN AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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QUESTIONS? OKAY.BRIAN, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, UNDER DIVISION OF PUBLIC WORKS, THERE IS A CONTRACT RELATIONSHIP BOX FOR, I LOVE IT WHEN IT'S IN FONT FOUR, WATER AND VI VIOLA.
WE CONTRACT WITH THEM TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT.
AND WE 50 50 WITH THEM, OR WE PAY THEM AT THE WHOLE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BILL.
UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ARE OUR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR, UH, AND WE HAVE A FULL SERVICE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, OR IS THAT 10 YEAR, EXCUSE ME, 10 YEAR CONTRACT WITH THEM, UH, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES FOR THOSE UTILITY SYSTEMS OR FOR THAT UTILITY SYSTEM ITSELF? I KNEW THEY DID OR WIDE.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS BRIDGE INSPECTION THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? LIKE, WE, WE HAVE 10 BRIDGES IN HUBER, AND WE CONTRACT THE 10 BRIDGES TO GET INSPECTED EVERY YEAR, OR, UH, THERE'S A PROCESS TO THAT.
BUT YES, WE CONTRACT, UH, WE SIGN A, A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE TO INSPECT SO MANY BRIDGES PER YEAR.
UH, AND THAT'S THE WORK THAT THEY, THEY DO FOR US.
SO I JUST DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, IT'S NICE TO SEE IT ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RICHARD? THANK YOU.
UM, BRIAN, UM, COUNCILMAN BAKER, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, POINTED ME INTO A DIRECTION OF A CONVERSATION THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS DIPPED ITS TOE INTO PREVIOUSLY.
AND I WANTED TO SEE, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IF YOU'VE HAD ANY CONSIDERATION, UM, ULTIMATELY IS, UM, WHY DO WE USE MONTGOMERY COUNTY FOR OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND IS THAT OUR ONLY OPTION? UM, I, I GUESS THE BEST I CAN SAY IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT,
UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT.
WE DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
UH, WE COULD OBVIOUSLY START OUR OWN, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION DIVISION.
UH, BUT I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST THAT BASED ON THE, THE NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR FIELD, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN IT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE AN ABILITY TO CONTRACT WITH MIAMI COUNTY, UH, AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THAT OPTION.
UM, OUR CONSIDERATION OF THE MIAMI COUNTY OPTION, UH, WHICH WAS I BELIEVE 2019, UH, WAS IN RESPONSE TO, UH, SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES, WHICH WE WERE, UH, WHICH WE WERE, UH, TRYING TO WORK THROUGH AT MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UH, THEY SUBSEQUENTLY HAD SOME CHANGES, BOTH IN, UH, TOTAL COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY WERE PROVIDING SERVICES TO.
THEY ALSO WENT THROUGH SOME STAFFING CHANGES.
UH, AND, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, WERE BEING BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AT THAT TIME, THE, THOSE CONCERNS THAT, UH, WERE BEING BROUGHT TO MR. F'S ATTENTION AT THAT TIME, UH, THOSE, UH, DROPPED OFF CONSIDERABLY LATE IN 2019, EARLY IN 2000, OR EARLY IN 2020, BASED ON, UH, THOSE CHANGES DOWNTOWN.
UM, WE ARE KEEPING OUR EYE ON, UH, WE ARE KEEPING OUR EYE ON THAT RELATIONSHIP.
UH, ERIC COLLINS, THE LONGSTANDING, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING OR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS RETIRED.
HE'LL BE LEAVING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, ERIC, UH, WAS A KEY FACTOR IN TRYING TO GET THE WHEELS BACK ON THE WAGON THERE, UH, AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WE WERE, WE WERE BEING TAKEN CARE OF APPROPRIATELY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A, A LARGE GENERATOR BUSINESS FOR THEM.
SO, UM, UM, SO WE'LL BE KEEPING OUR EYE OUT FOR THAT.
UM, IN THE EVENT WE START TO EXPERIENCE SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE OPTIONS, WE DO HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, MIAMI COUNTY, UH, ADMINISTRATOR AND, UH, THE, UH, THE, UM, SENIOR BUSINESS, SENIOR BUSINESS, THE SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, AND THEIR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RICH OSGOOD.
SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH SENIOR STAFF, UH, AND, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO REENGAGE WITH THEM, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT, UH, BUILDING SERVICES THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY BEGIN TO, TO SLIP.
UH, AND MAYOR, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS AS, AS THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD BACK IN 2019 PRIOR TO COVID, UM, AS THE THINGS STARTING TO RAMP BACK UP, MY FEAR IS I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT, UM, OF THOSE ISSUES WE HAD, BECAUSE MY HOPE IS WE DON'T SEE THOSE AGAIN.
BUT AS WE CONTINUE WITH A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE WORKS, THAT, UM, AS WE TRY TO MOVE THOSE WITH AS QUICK AND EXPEDITED PROCESS, THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THOSE SAME ISSUES.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING OUR EYE ON THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, INTERNALLY AND, AND AS A COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
SO, AND I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.
SO BRIAN AND I HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, THE ABILITY TO USE MIAMI COUNTY MM-HMM.
AND SO I WOULD SAY IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE OUR FINGER IN THE PULSE OF, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE REST OF COUNSEL US TOO.
AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY A GREATER THAN AVERAGE CHANCE OF SEEING THAT DISCUSSION IN THE WORK SESSION IN JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY.
I, I, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT, UM, AT LEAST HAVING A DISCUSSION AND SEEING WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, UM, AS A WHOLE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
NOT SAYING THAT, UH, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE FOR US.
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HOWEVER, I, I THINK, UH, SOMETIMES, UM, JUST GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IS BEST FOR ALL INVOLVED.IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION CHART ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? YES, SIR.
[ City Salaries/Wage Levels]
THREE I, WHICH IS THE CITY SALARIES AND WAGE LEVELS.THIS ITEM IS ON FOR COUNSEL'S DISCUSSION, BUT IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT COUNSEL DID ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO, UM, THERE IS NO LEGISLATION FOR COUNSEL TO ACT ON.
ONLY, UH, THIS ITEM EXIST FOR YOUR DISCUSSION BASED ON COMMENTS AT THE LAST COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE THIS, UH, WAS ADOPTED AT THE LAST MEETING? OKAY.
AND THERE'S NO ACTION NEEDED TO BE TAKEN ON THIS.
[ CRA #5 - Amendment]
THREE J, WHICH IS CRA NUMBER FIVE AMENDMENT.I WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, UH, CRA NUMBER FIVE.
THIS IS NOT AN AMENDMENT, THIS IS A MODIFICATION.
UH, SPECIFICALLY IF, UH, COUNSEL IS FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE FAIRWAYS PROJECT ON BRANDT, UH, THERE IS A PORTION, UH, THAT THERE WAS A PORTION OF THAT PROJECT, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, UH, THAT WAS, WAS INCOMPLETE.
THERE IS VACANT ACREAGE THERE.
UH, AND, UH, THAT VACANT ACREAGE, UH, IS SUBJECT TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT DIVISION OR THAT PROJECT.
THE FAIRWAYS, UH, PARCEL IS ABSENT A PRE 1994 CRA, BUT ALL OF THE PARCELS AROUND IT, UH, ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDED A PRE 94 CRA.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS MODIFICATION, UH, TO PULL THREE PARCELS OUT OF, UM, OUT OF, UH, CRA DISTRICT FIVE.
AND THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION WOULD ADD BACK THOSE SAME THREE PARCELS AS WELL AS THE FAIRWAYS.
UH, SO THAT THAT VACANT AREA THAT IS SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT, UH, WOULD THEN HAVE, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PRE 94 CRA AS ALL OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT CURRENTLY DO.
THAT IS THE BASIS BEHIND OUR PROPOSAL, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADOPT US LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.
SO IS THAT WHAT ITEM THREE K IS? SO NUMBER SEVEN.
SO WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF NUMBER FIVE, AND WHEN IT GETS ADDED BACK, THAT'S NUMBER SEVEN, OR IS THAT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT? UH, WE'RE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PARCELS TO SEVEN, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN, IN A MOMENT, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, J CRA NUMBER FIVE, GLENN? YEP.
BRIAN, REAL QUICK, UH, I NOTICED THE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE THREE PROPERTIES, NOT THE FAIRWAYS.
THAT MAKES, MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
THE, THE OTHER THREE PROPERTIES, THOUGH, SEEM TO BE, UM, A DIVISION OF THE EEL BERGER AND, AND BY THE WHY SOMEWHERE? UH, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT, UM, THE, UM, DESIRED BENEFIT WOULD BE OUT OF THIS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT BENEFIT DOES THIS BRING BY MOVING THEM? WHY DO THEY NEED TO BE MOVED? UH, THE, THE ISSUE IS THE CONTINUITY.
UM, THEY, THESE CAN'T BE ISLANDS.
YOU CAN'T, UM, YOU CAN'T SPOT COLLECT.
SO WHEN FIVE CAME UP, IT CAME UP AND, AND BASICALLY KIND OF MADE THIS CHAIN, NOW WE CAN KIND OF BREAK OUT THAT CHAIN AND PUT IN EFFECTIVELY A NEW CHAIN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT HAVING ANY DEVELOPMENT BENEFIT TO THE WHY OR TO THE EEL BERG OR TO THAT, IT'S JUST ABOUT HAVING A CONTINUITY OF PARCELS THAT TOUCH TO BE ABLE TO GET UP THERE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT.
PURE REARRANGEMENT TO SATISFY IT BEING CONGRUOUS WITH EACH OTHER, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTINU OR CONTIGUOUS, UH, CONTIGUOUS PARCELS.
AGAIN, THANK, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ CRA #7 - Amendment]
THEN NEXT UP IS NUMBER THREE K, WHICH IS CRA NUMBER SEVEN, AND THAT AMENDMENT.UH, SO CRA SEVEN, THIS IS A, UH, PRE 1994 CRA.
UH, THIS IS THE SECOND AND FINAL AMENDMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD PARCELS TO THIS DISTRICT, DISTRICT.
UH, WE'VE INCLUDED A MAP, UH, WITHIN, UH, YOUR PACKET, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THE NUMBER, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THE, THE TOTAL PARCELS THAT WE PLAN TO ADD, UH, TO THIS DISTRICT.
UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS COVERS MA MOST OF THE MAJOR CORRIDORS.
THIS IS THE LARGEST CRA DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, UH, ADOPT THIS, UM, UH, ADOPT THIS SECOND AND FINAL AMENDMENT ON MONDAY, AS THIS REPRESENTS OUR LAST ABILITY TO UTILIZE THIS TOOL.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THIS AMENDMENT, UH,
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IS A COMMITMENT THAT WE HAVE MADE AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS.UH, AND THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, UH, IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF CLOSING, OR OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE CRA IS, UH, PART OF OUR CONDITIONS OF CLOSING, UH, TO SEVERAL OF THESE AGREEMENTS.
I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS MAP, UH, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED, UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE FINAL, UH, LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PARCELS THAT MAKE UP THE LAMAN DOLA PROPERTY, UM, THAT, UH, THAT PARCEL OR THAT FACILITY, UH, IS FOR SALE.
AGAIN, I THINK EVERYONE HERE, UH, WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT BUILDING KNOWS THAT IT DOES HAVE SOME CHALLENGES, UH, TO REDEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UH, IN REVIEWING THE MATERIAL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GETTING EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD WITH THIS FINAL AMENDMENT, UH, IT WAS NOTED THAT THESE TWO PARCELS WERE NOT INCLUDED ON THE LIST.
SO WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE MAP, UH, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PACKET THAT GOES BACK.
SO THERE WILL BE THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT'LL BE ADDED TO WHAT YOU SEE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL HAS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ITEM ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? GOING TWICE.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE BEFORE YOU THE FINAL, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE 2022 BUDGET.
AND, UH, ALSO AT THE DIAS TONIGHT.
UM, THERE WAS, UM, SOME LAST MINUTE, UH, CHANGES THAT I ADDED.
AND SO I WILL GO OVER THOSE AFTER I GO OVER THE ONES THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, $56,461 AND 40 CENTS.
UH, THIS IS REPRESENTING FEMA DOLLARS THAT HAVE COME IN, UH, FOR TWO DEPLOYMENTS.
UH, ONE WAS FOR THE KENTUCKY FLOODING THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.
AND, UH, THE OTHER WAS FOR HURRICANE, UH, IN OR IAN.
AND, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST THIS PAST WEEK RECEIVED THE DOLLARS FOR THE HURRICANE IAN, UM, REIMBURSEMENT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS, UH, IN THE BUDGET TO PREPARE FOR, UH, IF THEY CAME IN IN DECEMBER.
SO, UM, YOU'RE ALSO GONNA SEE IT IN THE 2023 BUDGET, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, NOT SURE, UM, UH, CHIEF KNISELY WASN'T SURE WHETHER WE WERE GONNA GET THESE FUNDS IN 22 OR 23, SO WE PUT IT IN BOTH.
UM, AND, UH, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MONEY GOES INTO THE FEMA FUND AND THEN GETS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE FIRE FUND AS A REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE THE EXPENSES WERE ACTUALLY, UH, BORN BY THE CITY IN THE, UM, IN OVERTIME THAT WAS WORKED BY THOSE THAT WERE DEPLOYED FOR THOSE TWO, UH, EVENTS.
UM, NEXT, UM, AS I WAS LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR ACCOUNTS AND, UH, TRYING TO CLEAN UP SOME ITEMS, I FOUND, UH, LAST YEAR WE DID A, UM, UH, THE INITIAL FUNDING OF THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL, WHERE WE HAD, UH, ADVANCED GENERAL FUND MONEY OVER TO THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THAT.
AND THEN WHEN WE, UM, DID THE BONDS FOR IT AFTER WE, AFTER CONSTRUCTION WAS FINISHED, UH, THERE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RETURNED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO I'M ASKING COUNSEL TO APPROVE THAT AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE BOND PROCEEDS FOR THAT, SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT MONEY TO STAY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
IT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO THE GENERAL FUND, UH, WHERE IT CAME FROM.
AND, UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, $116,000, UH, INCREASE TO THE AQUATIC CENTER, UH, BUDGET.
UH, THAT'S TO COVER THE, UM, THE EXCESS OF EXPENSES THIS YEAR THAT WERE OVER THE REVENUES THAT WERE GENERATED BY THE FACILITY.
AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR, UM, AN INCREASE IN THE PARKS AND REC FUND BECAUSE I HAVE FOUND, UH, $50,000 COULD BE REDUCED IN THE PARKS, UH, DIVISION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION FUND, AS WELL AS $66,000 COULD BE, UH, REDUCED IN THE OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UH, BUDGET.
SO THOSE TWO, UM, UH, REDUCTIONS IN EXPENSES COVER THE, UH, ACCESS EXPENSE IN THE OTHER DIVISION.
AND FINALLY, THE, UM, $50,000 IS FOR REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT COSTS FOR A TRAFFIC CONTROL BOX, UH, THAT WAS DAMAGED AT THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 2 0 2 AND LONGFORD, UH, THAT JUST HAPPENED RECENTLY.
AND THAT WAS, UM, UM, UH, MR. GRAY WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN HIS BUDGET.
SO I'M COMING TO COUNSEL TO ASK FOR $50,000 TO, UM, FOR THOSE REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS.
AND THEN AT YOUR DESK TONIGHT, UM, BRIAN APPROACHED ME WITH, UH, TWO ITEMS, TWO POTENTIAL PURCHASES, UH, 30,000 EACH.
UH, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE AS OF YET WHETHER THAT'LL TAKE PLACE IN, UM, 2022 OR VERY EARLY 23.
SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU IN JANUARY, I WANTED TO HAVE IT IN PLACE.
NOW, WE'LL, UH, PUT IT ON A PURCHASE ORDER, HAVE IT READY TO GO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHEN THOSE, UH, BECOME AVAILABLE, UH, ONE WILL BE, UH, ECONOMIC
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DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUT OF THE TED FUND TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER $30,000 WILL BE, UH, TO DEVELOP, UM, PURCHASE LAND TOWARD DEVELOPING A ROAD, UH, CREATING A ROAD.
AND SO, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, AN EXPENSE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
UH, ONCE WE GET THE DETERMINATION OF THE DOLLARS, I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU IN SPRING OF 23 WHEN THAT ROAD IS BEING BUILT.
AND SO THE INITIAL LAND PURCHASE MAY HAVE TO HAPPEN EARLIER THAN, OR RIGHT AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS IS, I'M PROPOSING A TRANSFER FROM THE, UH, GASOLINE TAX FUND OVER TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, BECAUSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND DOESN'T HAVE ANY REVENUE SOURCES.
SO, UH, THE REVENUE I'M RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE COME FROM THE, UH, GASOLINE TAX FUND.
WE'RE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT $500,000 OF OUR ANNUAL ROAD PROGRAM DOES COME FROM THAT FUND.
SO IT'S A VERY APPROPRIATE FUND TO USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ED? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, JIM, UH, REMIND ME HOW MUCH MONEY, UM, DID WE LOSE WITH THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER THIS YEAR? UH, THE, UM, THE LOSS WAS JUST A LITTLE OVER $234,000.
AND HOW MUCH DID WE MAKE OR LOSE WITH THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER? REMIND ME OF THAT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN YET.
UM, UH, I AM GONNA CONTACT, UM, THE, UM, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AT, UH, MIMI, UH, TOMORROW, AND SEE IF HE CAN PROVIDE THAT NUMBER, UH, POTENTIALLY TO ANNOUNCE FOR BRIAN TO ANNOUNCE ON MONDAY NIGHT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, SO USUALLY THAT NUMBER IS USUALLY CALCULATED RIGHT AROUND THE 15TH TO THE 20TH OF DECEMBER.
SO, UH, SO YOU THINK WE MIGHT HAVE THAT ON MONDAY? BUT'S? I'M HOPEFUL IT'S COMING, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO, UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED OF OUR, UH, EXPENSES THAT THE CITY'S BORN FOR REIMBURSEMENT, UH, FROM THE OPERATIONS.
AND, UM, AND SO IT'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY SOME LAST MINUTE THINGS SUCH AS, UM, UM, UM, ELECTRICAL EXPENSES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE, THEY LIKE TO TIGHTEN THAT UP AND, AND GET A GOOD FINAL NUMBER.
SO ANY, ANY BALLPARK ESTIMATE FROM OUR AWARD WINNING FINANCE DIRECTOR? I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE IN A SIMILAR RANGE TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO, UH, VERY LIKELY TO BE, UM, AT LEAST $1 MILLION OF PROFIT.
AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER OUR SPLIT.
YES, THERE IS A SPLIT THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT WITH MIMI 60 40.
WE DO RECEIVE THE FIRST $150,000 OF GROSS PROCEEDS, AND THEN THE REMAIN THAT IS SPLIT 40.
WELL, THAT'S VERY TRUTHFUL NEWS, BUT THANK YOU.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE EXACT NUMBERS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR ON THE AQUATIC CENTER, AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I JUST, SO WE HAD, UM, A LITTLE OVER $200,000 IN LOSSES IN THE AQUATIC CENTER.
I KNOW WE HAD KNOW, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF REPAIR WORK OR WORK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN KIND OF ONE TIME IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE AQUATIC CENTER, UH, IN 2022 THAT WE WOULDN'T SEE TYPICALLY IN A, IN AN AVERAGE YEAR THAT KIND OF EXACERBATED THAT DIFFERENT.
WE, IN ADDITION TO, UM, INCREASED FACILITY MAINTENANCE, UH, CHLORINE DOUBLED IN COST, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE COULD OPEN, UH, AND OPEN ON TIME AND RUN EFFECTIVELY.
UM, MR. LINEMAN WAS COMPELLED TO PAY A HIGHER RATE, UH, FOR LIFEGUARDS THAN HE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
SO THOSE WERE REALLY THE TWO DRIVING FACTORS, UH, TO THAT NUMBER WAS THAT, UH, THAT THOSE, THOSE TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE CHEMICAL COSTS, AND THEN THE LABOR.
NANCY WAS, DO WE KNOW IF OUR USAGE WAS HIGHER? UH, I, I, UH, I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW WE HAVE THAT, THAT INFORMATION.
I'LL PULL THAT UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS OUT TO COUNCIL.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY, SO ARE PRICES FOR CITIZENS AND STUFF GOING TO ADJUST WITH THIS INCREASE OF COST? NO.
OVER THE YEARS OR, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE CHEMICALS GOING DOWN OR PRICE OR WAGES GOING DOWN, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
UM, THE RATES FOR 2023, UH, ARE REFLECTIVE OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OVER 2022.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A MEETING BETWEEN, UH, MR. BELL AND, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE Y ABOUT INCREASING PRICING ON SOME OTHER ITEMS, UM, UM, AT THE CONCESSION AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, FOR 2023, AND BASED ON, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF OPERATIONS IN 2023, THEN WE WOULD BEGIN TO LOOK AT, UH, PRICING, UH, ADJUSTING OUR PRICING.
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THIS IS A COMPETITIVE AMENITY, AND SO WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT HOW WE PRICE RELATIVE TO OUR COMPETITORS.ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE SUPPLEMENTALS FROM MONDAY? OKAY, NEXT UP IS I
[ Advances/Transfers - Finance Department]
3M, WHICH IS ADVANCES IN TRANSFERS.UM, FROM TIME TO TIME, UM, I'VE COME BACK TO COUNSEL, UM, UH, MY TENURE HERE, MAYBE ABOUT FOUR TIMES TOTAL, WHERE A PREVIOUS ADVANCE, UH, TURNS OUT TO REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TRANSFER BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, MAYBE AN ADVANCE FOR INITIAL FUNDING OF A PROJECT CASE I'M BRINGING TO COUNSEL.
UM, THE, UH, AUTHORIZING, UM, AN AD, UM, A PREVIOUS ADVANCE TO NOW BE CLASSIFIED AS A TRANSFER.
AND THIS IS RELATED TO A, UM, AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED BACK IN, UM, I FORGET WHAT YEAR IT WAS, BUT, UH, IT WAS IN ANTICIPATION OF, UH, CDBG GRANT.
AND, UH, IT TURNED OUT THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT GRANT.
AND, UH, IT WAS A TOTAL OF $16,999 AND 41 CENTS.
AND SO IT WAS PRE-FUNDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
AND, UM, UH, THOSE EXPENSES WERE SPENT.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE ENDED UP, UH, NOT RECEIVING THAT, UH, THAT GRANT.
SO THAT ADVANCE IS STILL HANGING OUT UP THERE.
SO, AS I SAID EARLIER, IN MY ATTEMPT TO CLEAN UP SOME, UH, SOME OLD ADVANCES, UH, THIS REALLY SHOULD BE RECLASSIFIED AS A TRANSFER, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA COME BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO I WOULD ASK COUNSEL TO FORMALLY APPROVE THAT SO I CAN, UH, CLEAN THAT UP ON THE BOOKS TO MAKE THAT A TRANSFER PERMANENT TRANSFER.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ 2023 City Budget]
ITEM THREE IN WHICH IS THE 2023 BUDGET.THIS SAYS THE, UM, I HAD ASKED, UH, I THINK COUNSEL TO, UH, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING TO HAVE A THIRD READING ON THE BUDGET, JUST, UM, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME, STILL SOME MORE TWEAKS, UH, LEFT TO, UH, TO DO TO THE BUDGET, SUCH AS ADVANCES, TRANSFERS, UH, DEBT PAYMENTS, UH, GETTING THOSE UP TO DATE.
AND, UM, SO THE FINAL BUDGET WAS IN YOUR PACKET, UH, TOTAL REVENUES, TOTAL EXPENSES, UH, FOR EACH FUND.
AND, UH, FROM THE FIRST READING OF THE BUDGET TO THE FINAL READING OF THE BUDGET, UH, REVENUES HAVE INCREASED, UH, IN OUR, IN MY ESTIMATES, UH, $262,115 AND EXPENSES ACROSS ALL FUNDS HAD INCREASED, UH, $104,225.
AND, UM, SO, UM, TOTAL BUDGET, UH, AS I AM PRESENTING TO COUNSEL AT THIS TIME, UH, FOR ALL FUNDS, $104,101,537 OF THAT, THE GENERAL FUND PORTION WOULD BE $16,020,488.
AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR JIM THEN? NOT FOR JIM NECESSARILY, BUT, UH, I'LL JUST REITERATE MY STATEMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE NOW FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.
THE, UH, THE, THE MEETING, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO TODAY, ACTUALLY A YEAR AGO TOMORROW, WE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND WHAT OUR NEEDS MAY BE.
AND WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT A 4 MILLION NUMBER THEN, WHICH IS INTERESTING CONSIDERING WHAT THIS REPORT HAS COME BACK WITH.
UM, I WOULD URGE, RIGHT, I WOULD URGE MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, SUPPORT ME IN REQUESTING THAT WE DO A AMENDMENT TO, UM, THIS ORDINANCE NEXT MONDAY TO, UH, IN INCREASE AND, AND MAKE A LINE ITEM OF THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AND BRING THAT TOTAL NUMBER TO, UH, THE $4 MILLION.
UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE, WHAT WE SAID WE NEEDED TO SEE LAST YEAR, WE NOW HAVE IT IN HAND PROOF.
AND I'M JUST, I'M FEARFUL THAT IF WE DON'T START TAKING THESE STEPS NOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO, UM, GET OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
SO I, I WOULD HOPE THAT OTHERS WOULD JOIN ME IN THAT, UM, OR THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR RESIDENTS QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND WATER.
UH, GLENN, THE $4 MILLION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN BORN OUT OF THE STUDY THAT WE PAID TO HAVE DONE.
BRIAN, UH, THE $4 MILLION THAT THE STUDY TALKS ABOUT IS A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE, OR IS THAT ONGOING YEAR AFTER YEAR? NO, SIR.
THAT WOULD BE ONGOING YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND I WOULD NOTE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE STUDY, WHICH IS,
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UH, $4 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU WOULD NEED TO ACTUALLY INCREASE YOUR NUMBER, UH, SOMETHING BETWEEN, I'D PROBABLY SAY AROUND 4.5 MILLION TO ALMOST 5 MILLION ANNUALLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR ENGINEERING EXPENSES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, FOR THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING 4 MILLION IN, UM, YOU'D ACTUALLY ONLY BE, IF, IF YOU ONLY BUDGET 4 MILLION, THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE CLOSER TO THREE AND A HALF BECAUSE OF THAT 4 MILLION YOU HAVE TO PAY FOUR ENGINEERING, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 10%.
AND WE HAD ALSO TALKED, GLEN, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION.
I, I THINK YOU AND I, AND THEN ANITA CHIMED IN, UM, ARE, ARE WE SURE THE STUDY IS ADEQUATE AT 4 MILLION A YEAR? YEAH, I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THAT WAS A LITTLE SHY OF WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM IS, OR IT SOUNDS, BY THE WAY, BRIAN'S TALKING THAT YET WE MAY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO COVER THE OTHER EXPENSES.
AND, AND I THINK WE HAD EVEN FLOATED A NUMBER CLOSE TO 8 MILLION.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND BUDGET THIS AND KEEP THIS AS A CONSISTENT LINE ITEM YEAR AFTER YEAR, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO PICK A NUMBER THAT'S MOST ACCURATE AND, AND WORK FROM THERE.
UH, SO I'M OKAY WITH 4 MILLION IF IT'S ENOUGH, IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
I, I THINK TONIGHT WE NEED TO LAY THAT ON THE TABLE AND DECIDE, RIGHT.
AND I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE FOUR, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE THAN THAT, BUT, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO REACH TOO DEEP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FROM 1.3 CURRENT FOR IS A, A NICE INCREASE.
UM, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO COVER WHAT BRIAN'S TALKING ABOUT SO THAT WE GET THE 4 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER COST, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING IN MY OPINION.
WASN'T THERE ALSO A RECOMMENDATION IN THE STUDY THAT, UM, THAT WE, UM, GIVE IT ANOTHER YEAR TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE, UH, LEVEL OF, OF BREAKAGES WOULD, UM, LEVEL OUT? BECAUSE THE INITIAL PROBLEMS WERE CAUSED BY THE WATER SOFTENING AND THE, UH, PRESSURE UPGRADES AND, UM, AND THEY DIDN'T SUGGEST THAT WE GO OUT RIGHT NOW AND START APPLYING ALL THAT MONEY.
THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE TAKE A CAUTIOUS APPROACH TO EVALUATING WHAT THE REAL PROBLEM WAS AND THE LEVEL OF EFFORT REQUIRED.
UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION HERE.
UM, AS MR. OTTO HAD STATED, UM, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ALMOST A YEAR AGO TO DATE, UM, AND THE DATE AND DAILY NEWS EVEN TOUTED THAT HUBER HEIGHTS IS GONNA PUT $4 MILLION IN THEIR WATER IN 2022.
UM, I, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING TO TAKE ON IS IF WE INCREASE TO $4 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, AND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH THE PARTNERS THAT ARE COMING IN TO PRESENT OFFICIALLY THE WATER STUDY REPORT, WHICH HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
UM, AND A LOT OF IT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AND ANSWERED.
I THINK WE EVEN KNEW WITHOUT A STUDY, UM, IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK MANY YEARS THAT WE KNEW THIS WAS A PROBLEM AND IT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, UM, AND WE NEEDED TO POINT TO A REVENUE SOURCE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, I, I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL REVENUE SOURCES THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED.
UM, I KNOW MR. OTTO HAS SENT SOME INFORMATION OVER TO THE, UH, CITY MANAGER FOR REVIEW.
UM, I HAVE SENT, UH, A FEW POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES THAT COULD HELP ALLEVIATE, UM, UH, THIS BURDEN OFF THE CITY, WHETHER THEY'RE IMMEDIATE OR LONG TERM IMPACTS.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME DEBT THAT'S GONNA BE FALLING OFF IN 2025.
UM, SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS AND LONG TERM, UM, IN MY OPINION, IF WE CAN, UH, IF WE CAN START, UM, THIS RIGHT NOW AND, AND, AND CONTINUED MOVING FORWARD AND CONTINUED COUNCIL'S, UM, VISION AND MINDSET, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NEED TO BE A TOP PRIORITY.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE LONG TERM VISIONS AND PLANS THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS DISCUSSED WITH ME AND HIS PLANS, UM, ARE GOING TO COME TO LIGHT.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO LOOK, HAVE TO LOOK AT A SOLID REVENUE SOURCE AND, AND OTHER THINGS, UH, IN A FEW YEARS? YES.
UM, I THINK PERSONALLY SUSTAINABILITY RIGHT NOW, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN WITHHOLD THIS AND WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD, UM, WHILE LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT, UH, I KNOW I'VE HAD LEGAL, UH, DO SOME RESEARCH ON.
UM, AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
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IN THE SHORT TERM, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, NOT TO GET OFF ON SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT, UH, $4 MILLION, I'M SORRY, 4.5 MILLION NUMBER THAT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.UM, AND, UH, THAT ALLOWS, UM, RUSS TO, UH, GO IN AND START SOME ENGINEERING WORK, UH, GETTING THE, UH, ROADS COMPLETED THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, GETTING SOME ENGINEER WORK, UM, AND, UH, AND HAVING SOME, SOME PIPE, UH, ORDERED, UH, VERY QUICKLY.
UM, WHETHER WE GOTTA CONTACT SOME OF OUR PARTNERS, STATE PARTNERS AND, AND LOCAL REGIONAL PAR PARTNERS TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A NEED AND WE WE'RE HONESTLY AT A, UH, AT A A REACTIVE APPROACH RIGHT NOW.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN SWITCH THAT TO A PROACTIVE APPROACH HERE IN A FEW YEARS.
MAYOR, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE TIME AND DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UH, HOPEFULLY THIS DOES GET FULL COUNSEL SUPPORT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL QUESTION.
I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE 4.5 MILLION.
UM, MY BOARD DESPERATELY NEEDS THAT WORK DONE.
AND, UM, AS WELL AS I THINK THERE'S SOME AREAS OF KATES THAT'S REALLY IN DESPERATION AND I WANNA GET TO INSTEAD OF BEING REACTIVE PROACTIVE.
SO 4.5 MILLION IS WHAT I WOULD APPROVE.
UM, JIM, I DUNNO IF THIS QUESTION'S FOR YOU OR FOR, FOR BRIAN, BUT IF WE ALLOCATE, UM, 4.5 MILLION, UH, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO, UM, WHAT I MIGHT CALL, MAYBE NOT CALL IT RIGHT, BUT TO THIS POT OF MONEY THAT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER UNKNOWNS THAT MIGHT COME UP IN 2023? WELL, I CAN TALK TO THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF REVENUES IN THE WATER FUND, WOULD NOT SUPPORT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BEING ASSIGNED TO THE, UM, TO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM NEXT YEAR.
YOU'D TO, UM, DIRECT MYSELF TO, UH, DETERMINE WHAT REVENUE SOURCE YOU WANT FOR THAT, WHETHER THAT'S A WATER RATE INCREASE TO THE RESIDENTS OR, UH, SOME OTHER GRANT PROPOSALS, UH, THAT ARE OUT THERE, UM, THAT, UH, I PRESENTLY AM NOT AVAILABLE, ARE AWARE OF.
RUSS AND I DO TALK ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, BUT TO JUST 4.5 MILLION TO THE WATER FUND BUDGET IS, IS, WOULD NOT, THE BUDGET WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S, UM, AND THAT THERE ARE BOND COVENANTS THAT REQUIRE US TO HAVE CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNTS UNTIL THOSE BONDS ARE PAID OFF IN 2025.
WE HAVE TO HAVE COVERAGE RATIO FOR THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, WE JUST CAN'T SPEND ALL OUR MONEY DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE WATER FUND TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SUPPORT THAT LARGE OF A, UH, COMMITMENT NEXT YEAR.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT AS A RESULT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE HAD SAID THAT WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL WE HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, ON THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY.
ANY CHANGES THAT HAD HAPPENED SINCE THEN, ONCE AGAIN WAITING UNTIL, UM, WE SAW IF THE BRAKES STARTED DIMINISHING MM-HMM.
AND WE, IF IT, IF IT BECAME NECESSARY IN 2023 TO ADDITIONAL MONEY, WE WOULD DO THAT, THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.
NOW, WE WOULD ADDRESS IT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE HAD MORE INFORMATION AS A SUPPLEMENTAL.
AND FOR THAT REASON, UM, I SIMPLY CAN'T SUPPORT ADDING THAT TO THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE AS MR. BELL SAID, OUR BUDGET DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
BRIAN, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN THERE ABOUT, WHAT IS IT? 1.3, 1.4, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE THAT WE'RE, UH, 1.3 IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOCATED FOR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
AND THAT MATCHES THE COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
SO IT'S ABOUT A 3 MILLION SHORTFALL IF WE ADD 4.5 CORRECT.
BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT, UH, BY COUNCIL TONIGHT.
UH, IF YOU WANTED TO RAISE THAT REVENUE AND RAISE IT IMMEDIATELY, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY INCREASING THE AVERAGE BILL BY $205 ANNUALLY.
MARK UHLIN, HERE'S A QUESTION.
JUST TO PUT OUT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE BUDGET 4.5 MILLION OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING AND INVESTING 4.5 MILLION IN THE 2023 CALENDAR YEAR? I HOPE BOTH, BUT MY GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE BUDGET BY THAT NUMBER
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SO THAT IF WE CAN GET MOVEMENT AND GET SOME THINGS GOING, THAT'S FINE.AS MR. SHAW HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING INTO OTHER AVENUES AND OTHER THINGS, AND I'M WORKING WITH THE GRANT WRITING COMPANY TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME STUFF THERE.
AND THOSE THINGS MAY COME, THEY MAY WELL COME.
UM, BUT OUR NEED IS NOW, AND, AND JUST BASED ON THE, THE SUMMARY FROM THIS COMPANY, I MEAN, IT, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW, AND IT HAS TO BE IN THAT 4 MILLION RANGE BECAUSE THEY EVEN MENTIONED THAT EVEN IF WE PUT IN 2.2 MILLION, WHICH IS MORE THAN WE'RE PLANNING, WE'RE STILL GOING TO EXPERIENCE ALL THOSE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
IT, IT DOESN'T, YOU, YOU'RE HOPING TO PUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION OR $4 MILLION WITH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE GROUND IN 2023.
I'M, WE GONNA BUDGET IT, TALK ABOUT IT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
YO, SO, SO DECEMBER IN 2023, RICHARD DOESN'T CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, IT'S BEEN EXACTLY AL ONE DAY SHY OF 12 MONTHS.
UH, AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST INCREASING THE BUDGET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTING DOING MORE, 4 MILLION IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
JIM, WHERE DO YOU GET THE MONEY? BOTTOM LINE.
AND IF WE NEEDED, BRIAN, WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE RATES.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS? WELL, THERE ARE A FEW.
YOU COULD LOOK TO BREAK THE CITY DOWN INTO DISTRICTS AND YOU COULD ASSESS TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, YOU COULD LOOK TO, UM, UM, YOU COULD LOOK TO BOND, UM, SELL BONDS AND BREAK IT OFF IN, IN BIGGER CHUNKS.
BUT, UM, UH, YOU COULD LOOK TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION WORK AND MAKE THAT A COMBINATION OF, UH, IN INCREASE IN INCOME TAX SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, AS WELL AS INCREASE IN RATES.
THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUS TO ALL OF THESE PARTICULAR OPTIONS.
UH, BUT EFFECTIVELY THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT REVENUE WITHIN, THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDS AVAILABLE.
UH, WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR AN ON-DEMAND INJECTION OF FOR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE WATER FUNDER.
AN ADDITIONAL, UH, 3.2 MILLION INTO THE WATER FUND WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE.
SO BRIAN, THE NUMBER YOU GAVE US WAS $205 A YEAR PER PER HOUSEHOLD, CORRECT.
SO DIVIDE BY 12, THAT'D BE ANOTHER $17 A MONTH FOR EVERY HOUSE.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, IS THAT YOUR ASK? WE DON'T HAVE A FUND AVAILABLE.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IT OUT TO THE, THAT THAT'S A POLICY DECISION.
THAT'S A POLICY DECISION BY COUNCIL.
SO MR. OTTOS PUT FORWARD THE POSITION THAT HE THINKS THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET ALLOCATED TO THIS PARTICULAR EXPENSE THAT'S BEEN SUPPORTED BY SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN THIS DISCUSSION.
ADDING MONEY TO THE BUDGET IS NOT A PROBLEM.
THE ISSUE IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO COVER THAT EXPENSE.
SO IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO IMMEDIATELY ADD FOUR POINT OR $3.2 MILLION TO THE BUDGET, IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU PROVIDE EITHER A, A RECOMMENDED REVENUE SOURCE AND IF BASED ON YOUR DEMAND IS TO DO IT.
NOW, THE EASIEST WAY TO RESPOND TO THAT IS TO INCREASE THE UTILITY RATE, TO MATCH THE EXPENSE DEMAND.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE RAISING THE ANNUAL WATER BILL BY $205.
CONVERSELY, IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHILE IT WOULD BE AGAINST MY ADVICE AND THAT OF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU MAY ALLOCATE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.
HOWEVER, I WOULD RECOMMEND THEN THAT YOU PROVIDE US THE LIST OF SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE REDUCED SO WE CAN MAKE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CONSEQUENCE TO THAT IS THAT THE CITY IS PREPARING TO CONSTRUCT 20 MILLION WORTH OF, UH, FACILITIES AND HAVING A FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, SINCE THE CITY WILL BE PLEDGING FULL FAITH AND CREDIT WILL KEEP THE BOND RATING HIGH AND ENSURE THAT WE CAN SELL THAT MONEY AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE COST TO TAKE REVENUES, TO TAKE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE AND INJECT THEM INTO THE WATER FUND FOR THIS PURPOSE.
WHICH AGAIN, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BEST BUSINESS PRACTICE OF THE CITY, WILL REDUCE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, AND AT THE TIME OF SALE OF BONDS COULD CAUSE THE PRICE FOR THOSE BONDS TO BE SOLD AT A HIGHER RATE, THEREBY COSTING THE CITY MORE MONEY TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAN HAD YOU LEFT THE MONEY THERE.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT ADDING MONEY TO THE BUDGET, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THE ISSUE IS WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? AND THAT HAS TO BE A POLICY DECISION FROM COUNCIL.
MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, I CAN'T SUPPORT A A $17 MONTH INCREASE FOR MY RESIDENCE.
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REMIND ME WHERE THE, UH, WATER MAIN LINING PROJECT IS.I, I SEEM TO REMEMBER IT WAS PUT ON HOLD EARLIER THIS YEAR AND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU STARTED IT BACK UP OR IF IT'S STILL ON HOLD.
WOULD YOU REMIND ME, PLEASE? UH, THE LINING PROJECT WAS ON BASCOM AND CLAY BACK NEAR AND PART OF LONGFORD.
UH, AT THAT TIME WE DID ABOUT $800,000 WORTH OF WORK, UH, THE LINING.
WE FELT THAT IT TOOK CARE OF, UM, CORROSION PROBLEMS, BUT WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH, UH, UM, CRACKING OF THE PIPE WHERE GROUND SHIFTS FROM.
CAUSE OF THAT, WE DECIDED NOT, WE HAD, HAVEN'T ONE, WE LAST ONE, BUT, UH, WE FELT THAT AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT UNTIL WE, I FELT THAT IT WAS MORE PERFECTED.
CAUSE I STILL THINK IT'S A BIG THING THAT'S GONNA KEEP COMING UP, BUT I'D LIKE TO WAIT A WHILE BEFORE I TRY IT AGAIN.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS.
UM, AND THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS WHAT'S THE STATUS OF, YOU'RE STILL IN A A WAIT AND SEE, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT CONTINUING UNTIL THAT TIME.
AND, AND THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE OFFSHOOT CUZ I HAD REMEMBERED THAT PREVIOUSLY.
UM, JIM, UM, WITH THE PROJECTED, UH, BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY, UH, WHAT'S THE GENERAL FUND ESTIMATE AT THE END OF 2023? UM, ROUGHLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING BUDGET, BUT IF YOU GET IN THE BALLPARK, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
MY ESTIMATE WOULD BE, UM, THAT, UH, THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE, HAVE A CARRYOVER BALANCE AT THE END OF 2023 OF $13,375,008.
WELL, THAT'S EXACT, BUT YOU KNOW, SO 13.3 ALMOST 13.
AND, UM, WHAT'S THE CURRENT, UM, UH, BALANCE IN THE WATER FUND, ALL FIVE FUNDS TOGETHER? WELL, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T USE MONIES IN ALL FIVE FUNDS.
YOU, YOU CAN ONLY USE, UM, AVAILABLE DOLLARS IN THE OPERATING FUND BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE WATER SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BE DESIGNATED WATER, UM, MONIES THAT ARE IN THE WATER BOND SERVICE FUND OR RESERVE FUND ARE RELATED TO DEBT.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE THE BALANCE IS AROUND BETWEEN THREE AND $4 MILLION IN THE WATER OPERATING FUND.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UH, TO HANDLE THE, UH, DEBT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE PURCHASED OUR BONDS FOR THE WATER DEBT, UH, WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE OUR BALANCES GET DOWN TO, UH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, VERY LOW DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
SO THERE ARE BOND COVENANTS THAT REQUIRE US TO KEEP, UH, CERTAIN, UH, CARRYOVER BALANCE IN THAT FUND.
AND I, AND I THINK THERE WAS A MEETING, UM, I HAD ASKED YOU TO ONE MEETING AND THE NEXT MEETING, UM, I MADE THE COMMENT, I LOOKED AT THE CAER REPORT FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND IT WAS AT 6 MILLION.
UM, FOR, AND OF COURSE IN THE CAER REPORT I HAVE TO REPORT ALL THE FUNDS TOGETHER, ALL FIVE FUNDS, BUT THERE ARE DESIGNATED PURPOSES FOR EACH OF THOSE FUNDS.
AND UM, AND THAT'S THE WATER FUND AND THAT'S ALL FIVE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF? HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE THERE APPROXIMATELY? UM, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT BALANCE, UH, RECENTLY.
UH, SO I, UM, WELL HOLD ON A MINUTE.
LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU WHAT MY ESTIMATE WAS FOR THE END OF 23 SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE, UH, GENERAL FUND.
AND MY ESTIMATE AT THE END OF 23, THAT FUND WILL HAVE, UM, JUST SHY OF 5.8 MILLION 5.8 AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR'S ESTIMATE.
FOR THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF? YES.
UM, THE FUNDING SOURCE, UH, 3.3, ALMOST 3.4 MILLION IS ESTIMATED IN THE GENERAL FUND ALONE.
UH, I KNOW BRIAN HAS TALKED ABOUT AND RECOMMENDED THAT I THINK THERE'S A PRESENTATION IN FEBRUARY, UH, FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER, UM, UH, MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE MONEY AND, UM, WANTED STAFF WANTED TO DO THAT AFTER THE BUDGET AND AFTER THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, WHICH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH.
UM, BUT PUTTING THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, UM, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 3.2 MILLION INTO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET, UM, WE CAN DO THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND ALONE AND STILL HAVE $10 MILLION
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LEFT OVER IN ESTIMATE AT THE END OF NEXT BUDGET YEAR.UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY IT SOUNDS LIKE, FROM THE WATER FUND, BUT 5.8 MILLION IN THE TIFF, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF, UM, IS, UH, SOMEPLACE ELSE WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
UM, I REMEMBER OUR BUDGET FROM STAFF WAS, WE ARE VERY STRONG FINANCIALLY.
UM, THAT'S PLENTY TO GET THE BUDGET STARTED ON THIS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN THE, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING IN FEBRUARY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SUSTAINABLE REVENUE SOURCE WOULD BE THE TIME WE'D KICK IT OFF WITH KIND OF A SHOT IN THE ARM WITH OUR CURRENT FUNDS AND THEN HIT, HIT THAT, UH, UH, HIT THOSE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY WITH, UH, LOOKING AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A CONTINUED SOURCE.
CUZ OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IN $4 MILLION EVERY YEAR JUST FROM OUR EXISTING FUNDS.
AND I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
BUT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE EXISTING FUNDS NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE.
THE GENERAL FUND ALONE WILL COVER THAT WITH STILL $10 MILLION LEFT.
AND WE'RE NOT EXACTLY THE PIGGY BANK FOR THE, UM, CITIZENS AND THE TAXPAYERS, BUT WE DO HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE WITH OUR WATER AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDS WE GET THE MONEY, I'M FINE WITH THE GENERAL FUND, BUT IF THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING BY MONDAY, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT TOO.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN OTTO, I AM SUPPORTING THIS THANK YOU MAYOR.
ACCORDING TO THE WATER STUDY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE QUALITY OF THE WATER IS OKAY.
SO THE QUALITY OF THE WATER IS FINE.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A WATER PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS IN THE DELIVERY OF THE WATER.
NOW, I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR FOR FIVE YEARS NOW, I DON'T REMEMBER A SINGLE TIME AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WATER MAIN ISSUE PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT IS GLARINGLY OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY WHO IS REMOTELY PAYING ATTENTION.
BUT HAS THERE EVER BEEN A TIME WHERE A WATER MAIN BROKE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT AND RESTORE WATER SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE AFFECTED? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SIR.
SO WE ALWAYS HAVE WAY TO FIX IT.
WHAT'S THE TIME FOR THE TYPICAL BOIL ADVISORY? UM, IT, IT'S LESS, THERE'S NOT A BOIL ADVISORY EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE A WATER MAN BREAK.
UM, RUSS WOULD YOU CARE TO TWO TO THREE? SO IT'S CERTAINLY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT.
THAT'S AN INCONVENIENCE FOR, FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS.
BUT I MEAN, I'M WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO TALK ABOUT A COMMON SENSE APPROACH HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE MISSING COMMON SENSE HERE.
WE DO KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND I THINK STAFF IS DEVELOPING A PLAN BASED ON THE STUDY TO WHERE WE FIND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE DOING THAT.
THERE'S BEEN A RECOMMENDATION ALREADY MADE THAT IF YOU WANT THE MONEY NOW YOU GOTTA RAISE WATER RATES OR FIND THE FUNDING SOURCE.
FUNDING SOURCES ALSO INCLUDE ITEMS LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HALF THIS COUNCIL, LET'S NO, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REVENUE SOURCES AND WHERE TO GET THE MONEY, WE HAD AN ISSUE JUST 60 DAYS AGO.
WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WOULDN'T VOTE TO FIX THE STORM WATER ISSUES OVER 50 CENTS A MONTH.
AND NOW THE SUGGESTION AS A $17 A MONTH RAISING WATER RATES, LIKE I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS.
THE QUALITY OF THE WATER IS OKAY, WATER MAINS BREAK AND WE FIX 'EM.
WE ALWAYS HAVE, THERE'S MONEY BUDGETED TO ALWAYS TO BE ABLE TO FIX THEM WHILE WE COME UP WITH A COMMON SENSE APPROACH OF ALLOCATING MONEY THROUGH GROWTH LIKE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF MONEY THERE.
PEOPLE VOTED NO TO EXPAND THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF FOR EXTENDED FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS, WHICH WOULD GENERATE 45 MILLION.
SO WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES, HALF THE COUNCIL VOTE NO ON FUNDING SOURCES.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IN THE WORLD YOU'RE DOING HERE, CUZ IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
FIND A COMMON SENSE WAY TO RAISE MONEY, IMPLEMENT, COME UP WITH A PLAN IN THE STRATEGY AND IMPLEMENT THAT STRATEGY.
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I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY WE WERE OWN THE CUSP BY BECOMING FLINT, MICHIGAN, WHICH WAS JUST SOME OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS STUFF I'VE EVER HEARD OF BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THIS CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE QUALITY OF WATER PROBLEM.IT'S A DELIVERY PROBLEM AND WE UNDERSTAND IT.
AND IF WE APPLY SOME COMMON SENSE ON HOW TO FIX IT WITH THE SMARTER PEOPLES WE HAVE IN THIS ROOM TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT AND APPLY SOME MONEY ON HOW TO FIX IT, I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN TO FIX IT.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ADDING $17 A MONTH TO THE WATER BILL OF EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY.
UM, I DON'T, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I DON'T THINK ANY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL HAS STATED, UH, TO RAISE THE WATER BILL BY $17 A MONTH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MAGICIAN'S HAT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REACH INTO AND PULL OUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, MAYOR I, I BELIEVE WITH ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT'S BEEN SENT ON WITH MY CALCULATIONS, UM, IF COUNSEL WANTS AN ENACT POLICY, UM, WITHIN, UH, WITHIN SIX MONTHS, UM, UM, I PRETTY MUCH, UM, BETWEEN MR. LYONS, MR. OTTO AND MYSELF, UM, HAVE A, A FUNDING SOURCES IN EXCESS OF 3.4 MILLION.
SO RICHARD, WE'RE SITTING AT A MEETING DISCUSSING THIS AT THIS AGENDA, AND THAT IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE HEARD THAT THE THREE OF YOU HAVE GOT TOGETHER AND DISCUSSED HAVING A FUNDING SOURCE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING OR THE WORK SESSION BEFORE APPROVING THIS BUDGET.
WE ARE NOW HEARING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOT THE MAGIC, THE MAGIC NUMBER.
UM, THAT IS THE NUMBERS THAT I HAVE PROPOSED.
UM, THESE NUMBERS CAN BE VALIDATED BY THE CITY MANAGER OFFLINE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, UH, I KNOW MR. OTTO IS WORKING ON GRANT PROPOSALS.
MR. LYONS IS IDENTIFIED GENERAL, UH, REVENUE FUNDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I HAVE A, UM, I'VE IDENTIFIED TWO REVENUE SOURCES.
UM, THE AUDITOR HAS IDENTIFIED A 17% IN PROPERTY TAXES AT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS HAS BEEN, UH, THAT IS IN RECEIPT OF, UH, AND THE CITY MANAGER, UM, IDENTIFIED, UH, LONG TERM WATER NOTES, UH, THAT WILL BE ENDING AT THE END OF 2025.
SO IF YOU TAKE ALL THAT IN CONSIDERATION, YOU HAVE 3.4 MILLION THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, JUST RIGHT OFF THE CUFF.
AND THESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR TIME, UM, THE INCREASE CAN BE, UM, MOVED.
UM, CITY STAFF AND COUNCIL CAN, UH, CAN DEBATE AS WE GO INTO NEXT YEAR TO, UM, IRON OUT AND SET THESE REVENUE SOURCES AS POLICY.
UM, AND UH, AND, AND WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD.
NOW, I WILL SAY, AND IF MRT CASKEY WOULD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN, UH, THE ONE REVENUE SOURCE IN, IN CONSIDERATION, UH, THAT I'M BRINGING FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN, IN COLUMBUS, UH, PS E HAS ALREADY DONE THE LEGAL BACKGROUND WORK ON IT.
UH, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN VALIDATED.
UH, THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN, UM, SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND TO LEGAL FOR REVIEW.
UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT.
IT'S NOT, IF WE CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT.
MY ESTIMATES JUST THAT REVENUE SOURCE ALONE, WE'LL BRING IN ACCESS BETWEEN 500, UH, TO $800,000 ANNUALLY.
SO BRIAN, YOU'D STATED BEFORE, AND I MEAN SOME, JUST ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY UP HERE CAN ADD AND SUBTRACT, BUT THERE IS ANYONE UP HERE WHO UNDERSTANDS.
I THINK BUDGETING, QUITE FRANKLY WHEN IT COMES TO EFFECTS OF BUDGETS AND, AND BOND RATES AND FUND BALANCES AND FUND VALUES.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S THE REASON THAT WE, WE PAY JIM AND, AND WHY THE CITY MANAGER UNDERSTANDS THOSE THINGS.
SO YES, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, OF LOOKING AT A LEDGER AND ADDING DOLLARS AND SUBTRACTING DOLLARS, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S PRETTY EASY.
SEVENTH GRADE MATH ADDS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PLUS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND SUBTRACTS IT.
BUT BRIAN, YOU HAD STATED EARLIER, IF, IF THIS MONEY WAS TO COME OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND OR THESE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES ON THE HEELS OF 20 MILLION WORTH OF OTHER INVESTMENTS IN THAT, THAT WE HAVE PLANNED, WHAT DOES THAT DO? AND, AND I NEED, I NEED THE GLOVES TO COME OFF.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE BARE BONES HERE? WHAT IS THIS COUNCIL GONNA GIVE UP OR HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO AND TRYING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL THREE AND A HALF MILLION FOR WATER IN THE 2023 BUDGET? SO THE BEST I CAN DO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, IS TO SAY THAT THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY STAFF IS, WAS ANTICIPATING HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS DISCUSSION,
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UH, IN MARCH AFTER, UM, AFTER THE PRESENTATION HAD BEEN MADE IN FEBRUARY.AND GIVEN COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE CONSULTANT SO THAT WE COULD BEGIN TO PREPARE, UM, A VARIETY OF OPTIONS, UH, FOUR TO FIVE OPTIONS FOR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT LONG-TERM TO, TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THE REVENUES, UM, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
UM, ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE SOURCES LOOK LIKE, WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THOSE IMPACTS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IT'S RELATIVELY EASY FOR US TO SAY, TO RAISE THE RATE THIS, CAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO RAISE THE RATE X AMOUNT WILL COST THE END USER Y AMOUNT.
IT'S EASIER FOR US TO CALCULATE, UH, THINGS SUCH AS HOW DO THESE REVENUES, OR HOW DO THESE REVENUE SOURCES IMPACT THINGS SUCH AS, UM, BOND RATES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY OF WHAT IT IS THAT COUNSEL IS INTENDING TO DO.
OUR GOAL WAS TO BRING TOGETHER ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN AN INITIAL PRESENTATION, HOPEFULLY IN EARLY TO MID-MARCH, AND THEN KIND OF DIG DOWN INTO THE NITTY GRITTY AS COUNSEL PROVIDED US POLICY DIRECTION ON WHICH OPTIONS, LET'S SAY IF THERE WERE FIVE COUNSEL WANTED US TO SPEND MORE TIME PURSUING, UH, TWO OR THREE TO BUILD OUT TIMEFRAMES.
THESE ARE NOT PROCESSES THAT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, WALKING AWAY FROM RATE INCREASES, WHICH IN THEORY COULD HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT THINGS SUCH AS, UH, CREATING ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS OR PROVIDING FOR THE SALE OF BONDS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THESE ARE MEASURES THAT TAKE MONTHS OF PLANNING IN ADVANCE TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT AND BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT EFFECTIVELY WITH ACCURATE FORECASTING.
SO, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO WHEN COUNSEL IS PREPARED TO SIT AND DEBATE THIS ISSUE AND PROVIDE POLICY DIRECTION, THE SOONER THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE, THE LESS ACCURATE INFORMATION WE CAN GIVE YOU TO CONSIDER.
OH, BECAUSE, YEAH, I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA MAKE LIGHT OF THE SITUATION.
I, I WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND FINDING A WAY TO FIX IT.
BUT I ALSO KNOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT, IF I WOULD JUST TRY TO TEST THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMUNITY, I SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE, IN THE, THE, THE ROAD OF 2 0 2 OF ME WAY AND TRYING TO FIND A, A A, A FIX TO THAT, TO THAT TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND AT ONE POINT I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT, UH, SOME WAYS TO FIX THAT, FIX THAT IN SOME ORIGINAL ENGINEERING ESTIMATES WAS SOMEWHERE IN THIS SEVEN TO 8 MILLION RANGE AND THAT WAS LAST YEAR.
SO WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST NOW.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE ON THE TABLE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO APPLY SOME BASIC COMMON SENSE TO ALL THIS AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT SATISFIES EVERYBODY THAT MAKE SOME SENSE THAT, THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON IMPLEMENTING BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST WATER'S A PROBLEM, BUT IT ISN'T THE ONLY PROBLEM.
I DON'T SAY WATER, WATER'S NOT A PROBLEM, PIPES ARE A PROBLEM CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WATER PROBLEM.
SO WE REALLY HAVE TO GET TO WORK AT PLANNING AND FIGURING THIS OUT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TO HOLD UP THIS BUDGET WHEN, WHEN TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN COMPEL ANYTHING ON AN AGENDA OF WHEN TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LATER IN 2023 WHEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT, HAVE THE TIME TO PLAN AND HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
YOU'D MENTIONED EARLY IN THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT THAT WE COULD TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF THE BANK ACCOUNT, OUR BANK ACCOUNT AND SPEND THIS 3.5 MILLION OR SO, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO TELL STAFF WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IN 2023.
THEN WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION FROM THE DIAS BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, DO YOU RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT WHERE IF WE SPEND THE MONEY OUT OF OUR BANK ACCOUNT, WE'LL HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND TELL YOU WHAT WE DON'T WANT.
IF, IF YOU WERE TO ACCESS THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE, WE WOULD NOT SEEK RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SERVICE REDUCTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
IF COUNCIL WANTED TO NOT AFFECT THE FUND BALANCE, IF YOU WANTED TO LEAVE THE FUND BALANCE AS IT WAS TO ENSURE THAT
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FUTURE PROJECTS WITH RESPECT TO THE CIVIC CENTER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, UH, COULD BE FUNDED AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE RATE, THEN WE WOULD LOOK FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON SERVICE REDUCTIONS.BUT THOSE, AGAIN, SIR, ARE ALL POLICY DECISIONS FROM COUNCIL.
WE'RE HAPPY TO RESPOND IN WHATEVER WAY, UH, THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, TO GO.
SO IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT DECISIONS WOULD WE HAVE TO MAKE? UM, WELL THAT DECISION, UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION OR YOU'D BE MAKING THAT DECISION KNOWING THAT THE UTILIZATION OF THAT, UM, THAT THOSE FUNDS, UM, IS CONTRARY TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND BEST BUSINESS PRACTICE FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.
AND THAT THE UTILIZATION OF THOSE FUNDS, UM, FROM THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE WILL IMPACT, UM, WILL IMPACT THE CITY'S, UM, ABILITY TO SELL BONDS IN THE FUTURE, UH, AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE RATE FOR THESE PROJECTS.
JIM, AM I MISSING ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO, UM, TO THOSE OUTCOMES? NO, I HAVE, UM, HAD JUST A, A RECENT DISCUSSION ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO WITH OUR, UM, UM, FISCAL, UM, UH, UM, PERSON THAT WE, UM, FISCAL ADMINISTRATOR THAT WE, UH, WORK WITH, UH, ANDY ROAR, WHO HAS BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES.
AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNED ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON, UH, WATER MAINS AND, UH, IF ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR BOND RATING? AND HE CAUTIONED ME.
HE SAID, YOU NEED TO FIND ANY OTHER POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE BESIDES TAKING DOLLARS FROM YOUR AVAILABLE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
YOU'VE WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS TO BUILD THAT BALANCE.
UH, IT WAS, UM, WHEN I STARTED HERE, UM, GETTING DOWN TO ABOUT 3 MILLION.
SO WE BUILT IT UP TO $13 MILLION AND UH, FOR, AND WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE TO OUR BOND RATING BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT THE, LIKE S AND P, YOU'VE ALL KNOW SANDRA IPOS LOOKS AT IN, IN RATING AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO HAVE OUR BOND RATING BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS OTHER CITIES AROUND US.
CUZ OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE DIFFICULTY FINDING INVESTORS.
WHEN WE DO DO BONDS OR UH, CIVIC CENTER FOR A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO COME UP IN 23, 24, 25, UM, THAT'S GONNA SERIOUSLY IMPACT THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY.
IF YOU HAVE A LOWER BOND RATING, THE INTEREST RATE THAT YOU PAY IS GONNA BE MUCH HIGHER.
AND NOW THAT YOU'VE ALL SEEN INTEREST RATES RISE, I MEAN THE ONE YEAR NOTES WHEN IN PERCENT TO NOW 5%.
SO IMAGINE WHAT THE RATE WILL BE IF OUR BOND RATING DROPS THAT 5% THEN GOES UP CLOSER TO 6%.
AND WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 20, 30, 40 MILLION, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT HIT TO, UH, A COST TO THE, TO THE CITY'S FUNDS AND, UH, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO COVER THAT KIND OF EXPENSE GOING FORWARD.
SO IT'S A VERY SERIOUS MATTER.
RICHARD, WHEN YOU CALLED TODAY AND WE TALKED AND, AND I WAS TOTALLY IN FAVOR, $4 MILLION.
UH, I HAD WENT OVER AND I HAD READ THE STUDY AND I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE.
THAT IT'S $4 MILLION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO WHEN I TOLD YOU I WAS IN FAVOR OF $4 MILLION, IT WASN'T JUST FOR THE 2023 BUDGET.
I DON'T THINK WE FIND OURSELF IN THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE BECAUSE OF ONE YEAR.
SO I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A ONE TIME INJECTION, A 4 MILLION MINUS THE 1.3 WE HAVE IN THERE, PLUS THE 500,000 FOR ENGINEERING.
AND IF, IF I SUPPORT AN INJECTION INTO THE BUDGET THAT INCLUDES A PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS STUDY, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE ONGOING.
I KNOW THAT WE LEGISLATE, UH, BUDGETS ANNUALLY.
AND THAT WE CAN'T OBLIGATE A FUTURE COUNCIL FOR 2024, BUT WE CAN SURE GO INTO 2020 THREES BUDGET WITH A PLAN AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ONGOING.
I MEAN THAT'S, AND IF I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT, I THINK I WAS YES SIR.
IF I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT, I WANTED TO CLEAR IT UP NOW.
SO THERE ISN'T ANY MISUNDERSTANDING THAT MARK CAMPBELL'S NOT INTERESTED IN 2023 SPENDING $4.5 MILLION TO THROW AT WATER PIPES.
MARK CAMPBELL'S INTERESTED IN A SOLUTION LONG TERM TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.
SO MORE IMPORTANT THAN FIVE OF US, AND LET'S SEE, IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
I DON'T IF WE'RE JUST INTERESTED INCREASING THE BUDGET FOR 2023, WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED TALKING 45 MINUTES AGO CUZ WE GOT THE VOTES TO DO IT RIGHT.
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IS, WE HAVE A LONG TERM PROBLEM.WE NEED A LONG TERM SOLUTION MM-HMM.
SO HOW CAN WE SUPPORT SOMETHING FOR 2023 IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM IN 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29.
HENCE MY QUESTION INITIALLY IS 4 MILLION ENOUGH, THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT WILL ARGUE 4 MILLION ISN'T ENOUGH.
SO, AND I'VE READ THE SAME STUDY YOU DID.
BUT IT'S SURE BETTER THAN NOTHING.
THE RATE OF BREAKAGE IS GOING TO INCREASE AT 4 MILLION A YEAR TO SOME LEVEL THAT WILL FINALLY RUN THE LAB IN EIGHT TO 12 YEARS AND THEN START TO COME DOWN.
SO, SO YOU'RE NOT ARRESTING THE PROBLEM WITH 4 MILLION CAUSE YOU HAVE A 21 MILLION
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES GOING ON HERE TO INCREASE THE BUDGET.
4.5 MILLION MINUS 1.3 FOR A TOTAL OF WHAT? AS AN INCREASE ARE WE TALKING, UH, 3.2 MILLION, SIR? WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE TOTAL 3.2, 3.2 MILLION WOULD BE, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US.
THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE MONEY? YES SIR.
AND, AND RICHARD, I I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THIS GLENN.
THE REASON WHY I ASK ARE WE PLAN ON PUTTING INCREASE IN THE BUDGET 4.5 CUZ YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT CUZ THEN WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO SPEND IT.
BUT ARE WE WANTING TO INCREASE THE BUDGET OR ARE WE WANTING TO PUT 4.5 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IN THE DIRT? THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND JUST BECAUSE I AM DONE NOW, I CAN CONTINUE TO TALK LATER.
NO, NO, I'M DONE FOR RIGHT NOW IS, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT CHERRY PICKING FUNDS OUT OF DIFFERENT POTS AND POTENTIAL, UM, GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE ALL VERY COMPETITIVE.
UM, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A SOLUTION, A LONG TERM SOLUTION TONIGHT.
AND WAITING THREE MONTHS TO GET THERE IS NOT, IS NOT A HUGE OBSTACLE.
UM, BUT I WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT OUR TASK TONIGHT IS TO PASS THIS BUDGET BECAUSE BRIAN SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE LAST MEETING EXPLAINING TO US THE RAMIFICATIONS OF NOT DOING SO TO THE BUDGET PEOPLE, TO PUTTING THE, UM, THE NEW CONTRACTS, UH, INTO PLACE, THE NEW SALARIES INTO PLACE.
AND WE'VE GOT TO PASS THIS BUDGET SO THAT THE PROCESS CONTINUES TO MOVE AND PEOPLE ARE PAID ON TIME.
SO I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT MONDAY, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BUDGET SO THAT THAT STAFF CAN, CAN GET IT DONE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CLOSE OUT THE YEAR.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S KIND WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
I DON'T HOLDING UP THE BUDGET WHEN WE HAVE LOTS OF TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE GONNA COME FROM WITH A PENDING PRESENTATION FROM THE GROUP THAT PUT THE STUDY TOGETHER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE ISN'T GOING AWAY.
BUT I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT, I'VE HEARD WE NEED A LONG TERM PLAN, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY WHAT THE LONG TERM PLAN IS OTHER THAN JUST RIGHT NOW THROWING THREE AND A HALF ADDITIONAL THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT IT AND NOT KNOWING WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM AGAIN LATER.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE TO ME LONG TERM.
GLENN? UM, I WOULD SAY I RESPECTFULLY, I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THE THROWING SOME CAPITAL AT IT NOW BUYS US THAT TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND FIND THOSE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH WAITING IS HOW MUCH LONGER, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A YEAR AGO AND WE ONLY HAD THE CONVERSATION A YEAR AGO BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE GOING ON BEFORE THAT THAT SAID, HEY, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WE'VE ALREADY DELAYED IT IMMENSELY.
NOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DELAY IT AND EVERY DAY WE DELAY IT IS JUST ANOTHER DAY THAT IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE AREN'T TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST BOTTOM LINE IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING MONEY IN A COMMUNITY.
INFRASTRUCTURE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
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SAFETY SERVICES IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS.RHODE IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AFTER THAT, THE REST IS JUST ICING ON THE CAKE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO HAVE.
UM, AND I I ABSOLUTELY MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE.
UM, AND TO ME THIS ISN'T A DISCUSSION OF, UM, ARE WE GONNA DO IT? BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA GET IT DONE? UH, WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE.
BUT AGAIN, LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE SAID, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT AND WE'LL GET THIS STUDY AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET THIS STUDY, THEN WE'LL JUMP ON IT.
IF IT SAYS WE NEED IT, WELL, WE GOT THE STUDY, WE GOT IT, IT SAYS WE NEED IT.
SO NOW WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.
THAT'S LUDICROUS IN MY OPINION.
WE WE'RE PUSHING THIS OFF AND WE'RE SHOVING IT OFF INTO SOME OF YOU THAT LIVE IN DIFFERENT AREAS MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL, BUT I GUARANTEE FOLKS IN ANITA'S DISTRICT PROBABLY ARE HAVING ISSUES AND FOLKS IN, UM, A KATE'S DISTRICT ARE PROBABLY HAVING ISSUES AND THEY'RE PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THERE'S PROBABLY OTHERS IN THE SOUTH THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT'S COMING, COMING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SOON.
UM, THERE'S JUST NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE CARE OF FOR FOLKS IN A TOWN.
THIS IS WHAT THEY PEOPLE PAY TAX GENERAL TAXES FOR.
THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPECT OUT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT IS THESE THINGS WE, AND, AND WHAT TRULY FRUSTRATES ME, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I ULTIMATELY, I HAVE NO, NO REAL ISSUES WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE NICE AMENITIES.
BUT WE HAD NO PROBLEM JUST DROPPING A MILLION AND A HALF ON A VETERAN'S MORON DROPPING WHAT'S, I THINK IT WAS PUSHING SIX, SEVEN, $800,000 ON A BMX PARK.
BUT OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE GOTTA HAVE MASSIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE REALLY.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW OUR, OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION HAS CHANGED SO MUCH SINCE LAST YEAR THAT WE COULD DROP A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS ON EXTRAS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT TODAY WE CAN'T PUT THIS $4 MILLION INTO FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS BUDGET UNLESS THAT NUMBER'S IN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S ONE OF THE BASICS.
AND WHEN WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF POTHOLES THAT WE USED TO STRUGGLE WITH AND OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THE PATCHING, UH, WE SOON REALIZED THAT WE NEEDED A FUNDING SOURCE.
AND I THINK THE PORTION OF THE INCOME TAX IS 0.2.
SO WE QUICKLY DECIDED THE PROBLEM WAS SO BIG, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SPENT OVER 1,000,002 A YEAR AND WE HAVE FOR DECADES.
UH, THERE WAS NO OTHER SOLUTION.
YOU HAD TO INCREASE EXACTLY THE FUNDING.
YOU HAD TO INCREASE IT, YOU HAD TO EARMARK IT AND SPECIFICALLY APPLY IT TO THAT.
EVEN WITH THE OIL PRICES OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE STILL BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN, I THINK OUR INTERIOR STREETS PRETTY WELL.
WE, WE TALK ABOUT WE NEED A LONG TERM PLAN.
WE DO, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE A LONG TIME TO CREATE A LONG TERM PLAN.
SO WE COULD COMMIT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD START TO COMMIT PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ON CAMERA.
WE COULD COMMIT THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS A PROBLEM LIKE THIS, FINDING MONEY IN THE COUCH CUSHIONS.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A NEW FUNDING SOURCE.
AND BRIAN, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT'S GONNA BE TO INCREASE WATER RATES? THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT IT'S GONNA INVOLVE INCREASING WATER RATES.
AND ABOUT HOW MUCH? UH, WELL, AT THE RATE COUNCIL'S TALKING ABOUT IT, UH, IN THE END IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $16 AND 50 CENTS AND JUST OVER $17 DEPENDING UPON HOW COUNSEL WANTS TO APPROACH THIS.
AND, AND IF, AND IF SOME PEOPLE ARE CORRECT WHO HAS STUDIED THE STUDY AND THAT MAYBE 4 MILLION DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, THAT NUMBER COULD GO UP.
AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THEN INCREASING, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL'S WATER BILL? YES, SIR.
THERE'S, COULD YOU, COULD YOU, YOU ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE CAN CONSIDER AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
UM, WE CAN CONSIDER, UH, THE UTILIZATION OF ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS, UH, TO HELP OFFSET.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY COULD DO IS THE CITY COULD SAY, UM, BASED ON, UM, YOU WOULD BREAK THE CITY DOWN INTO VARIOUS DISTRICTS.
UH, THEN YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE COST TO REPLACE WATER MAIN WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT, KIND OF A USER FEE, UH, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND THEN, UM, AS COUNCIL WERE TO MARGINALLY INCREASE WATER RATES PAID BY ALL USERS,
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UM, THEN THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE SPECIFIC DISTRICT, UH, WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD OCCUR, WOULD THEN INCUR THE ASSESSMENT, WHICH THEY WOULD PAY OVER 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, WHATEVER THE POLICY WAS.SO IT WOULD REFLECT ON A BILL, UH, IT WOULD COME IN ON THE TAX BILL, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A TAX, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE GRADUATED OUT THAT WAY SO THAT AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, UM, ALL USERS OF THE SYSTEM ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE POT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
BUT THEN THOSE RESIDENTS THAT RECEIVE, UH, THE BENEFIT, UH, THAT WOULD RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE ACTUAL PIPE, THEY'RE PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE THROUGH THAT ASSESSMENT.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER IS A CONSOLIDATION OF BOTH THE PAVING PROGRAM AND THE WATER MAIN.
AND A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
IF YOU'RE ALREADY INCURRING THE COST TO TEAR UP THE ROAD, IF YOU'RE ALREADY INCURRING THE COST, UH, UM, TO GET TO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, MOVE BOTH PROGRAMS OVER SO YOU GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK, THAT TAKES TIME TO CONSOLIDATE AND TO, UM, THAT TAKES TIME TO, UM, UM, COORDINATE THAT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S STILL GOING TO REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN FEES.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NOW A COMBINATION OF, UH, INCOME TAX, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A COMBINATION OF ASSESSMENTS AND A UTILITY FEES, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A FUNDING SOURCE.
SO WE CAN SPREAD THE COST OUT OVER A VARIETY OF PLACES, BUT THE CITY CAN'T ARBITRARILY PASS AN INCOME TAX DEDICATED TO THIS PURPOSE.
WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COST, WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE PUBLIC.
AND WHILE WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT, OTHER THINGS THAT STAFF HAS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'RE PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS, SIR, TO COUNCIL, ARE OUR EXISTING ONGOING OBLIGATIONS, WE HAVE SEWER RATE INCREASES THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL BE OCCURRING IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS RESULT OF THE TRI-CITY PROJECT.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS LEGISLATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN INCOME TAX RENEWAL.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WATER IS A PRIORITY, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS A PRIORITY.
WHERE DOES THAT PRIORITY RELATE TO FIRE AND EMS? ARE THOSE ISSUES THAT COUNCIL WANTS CONFLICTED? ARE THOSE THINGS THAT CONFLICTING ON THE BALLOT? THOSE ARE ALL DIRECTION THAT WE NEED FROM COUNCIL AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO SIR, THERE ARE SEVERAL, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT THOUGHT INTO OTHER WAYS IN WHICH WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING REVENUES TO BEAR, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS, AS SIMPLE AS MAKING THOSE THINGS REALITY TOMORROW.
WE HAVE TO CALCULATE, UM, ASSESSMENT FEES, WE HAVE TO CALCULATE, UH, UM, UH, IZATION.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FACTOR TO BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY ADVISE YOU ON WHAT THESE POTENTIAL COSTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO, TO CITIZENS.
AND, AND JUST THE BACK OF A NAPKIN CALCULATION, DO YOU REMEMBER THE NIGHT, RUSS? I SAID THIS COULD BE A HUNDRED MILLION ISSUE.
AND, AND IT'S PANNED OUT THAT IT MIGHT BE.
SO THERE'S NO ONE UP HERE THAT DISAGREES THAT IT'S GONNA COST THE USERS MORE MONEY.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HIDING FROM THAT, ARE WE? NO.
PARDON? WE SHOULDN'T HIDE FROM THAT.
IF, IF BRIAN, WHAT DOES IT COST TO, TO, TO RAISE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS? WHAT'S IT COST TO RAISE A MILLION DOLLARS? UH, SO TO RAISE A MILLION DOLLARS IS $5 AND 32 CENTS A MONTH OR ABOUT 1650 A YEAR.
SO 20 BUCKS A MONTH FOR 4 MILLION, $40 A MONTH FOR 8 MILLION.
RIGHT? NO, THAT'S NOT, AND OUR AVERAGE WATER BILL, 45 BUCKS RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING THE WATER BILL? MM-HMM.
THAT'LL MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY.
I'M JUST WAITING FOR BRIAN TO SEE IF HE'S GOT A, SORRY, MY, MY MATH ISN'T RIGHT.
FIVE 5032 CENTS TIMES 12 IS NOT, UH, $16.
UH, THAT WAS, UH, THAT'D BE 63.
WHAT A MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T PAY THEIR WATER BILL ANNUALLY PAY AND THEY BUDGET EVERY MONTH.
SO IF A MILLION DOLLARS IS FIVE BUCKS A MONTH, $4 MILLION IS $20 A MONTH.
$8 MILLION IS THEN $40 A MONTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY MATH.
AND OVER, I MEAN, AS IT, AS A RESIDENT STATED, I MEAN, BASED ON THE STUDY, THAT'S GONNA BE AN EIGHT TO 12 YEAR PROBLEM.
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GETS CLOSE TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.SO MARK, YOU, YOU'VE GOT 200 MILES APART.
YOU WEREN'T FAR OFF MORE BY A HUNDRED, BY A HUNDRED MILLION MILLION REPLACED, BUT IT DOESN'T ALL NEED REPLACED.
YOU REPLACE A 70 YEAR REPLACEMENT RATE, IT'S 4.7 MILLION A YEAR.
THAT KEEPS YOU AT THE SAME BREAKAGE RATE YOU HAVE TODAY, WHICH YOU THINK IS A PROBLEM.
SO YOU REALLY NEED TO DECIDE WHAT YOUR GOAL IS FOR THE PROGRAM AND THEN APPLY A BUDGET TO IT AND THEN OUT WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM BECAUSE YOUR GOAL IS SERVICE, UH, COST, I THINK BEST TO YOU.
WELL, I THINK WHAT WE HEAR MR. SCHAFFER SAYING IS THAT WE NEED A PLAN.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO.
AND I THINK THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS IS THAT WE NEED A PLAN IS THAT THERE IS, THERE ISN'T A PLANE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY GOING ON THE PLANE.
AND THAT IS THE EXACT DEFINITION OF BEING FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
IF I COULD SAY ONE MORE THING, THE STUDY THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDES FOUR PLANS IN THE BACK OF IT.
THEY, THEY SAID YOU COULD DO THIS, YOU COULD DO THIS, YOU COULD DO THIS.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, HERE'S THE RESULTS.
THE APPROPRIATE THING, I THINK TO DO AT THIS POINT IS THE SAME, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? HAVE THEM GO BACK AND RERUN THE MODEL AND SAY, IF I WANT TO ARREST THAT PROBLEM IN FOUR YEARS RATHER THAN 12 AND I WANT A 70 YEAR BREAK, WHAT DOES THAT PROGRAM LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WHAT MONEY DO I NEED TO FUND IT? AND WHERE DO YOU GET IT? THAT'S THE, YOU GOTTA GO RERUN THAT MO TO DELIVER THE RESULTS YOU WANT RATHER THAN TO GIVE THE RESULTS YOU'VE GOT.
THAT IS THE EXACT WAY IN WHICH WE DECIDED ON THE STREETS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAD TO SEE WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM WAS.
SO IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY IN ADDITION TO THE REVENUE SOURCE THAT WE HAVE.
WHEN YOU GET PAST ALL THE CHANGE WE FIND IN THE CUSHIONS, IT'S GONNA TAKE A FUNDING SOURCE.
IS IT GOING TO TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING SOURCE? OKAY.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING SOURCE.
RICHARD, WE TALK THIS AFTERNOON ON THE PHONE.
I AM COMMITTED TO ADDING FOUR POINT, IT WAS 4 MILLION.
BRIAN'S BROUGHT UP ANOTHER HALF A MILLION FOR ENGINEERING.
ARE YOU COMMITTED TO A LONG TERM SOLUTION? YES, SIR.
THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF MONEY.
MATTER OF FACT, UM, MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER ARE WILLING AND WHETHER OR NOT HE'S WILLING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES OUTSIDE OF WATER.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, LONG TERM PARKS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MILLAGE, UM, ADJUSTMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME DECENT CONVERSATIONS.
SO YES, AS FAR AS LONG TERM, UH, UM, CONVERSATIONS, I THINK I'VE, UH, PROVEN THAT WITH SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND UP HERE.
I'M WILLING TO, I'M WILLING TO, UH, ROLL UP MY SLEEVES AND HAVE THAT.
AND, AND AND YOUR IDEA ISN'T TO INFUSE AN ADDITIONAL 4.5 MILLION THIS YEAR AND NOT NEXT YEAR.
YOU WANT TO DO THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM'S AT LARGE, CORRECT.
THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT WE, WE HAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT THE ROAD, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAD.
SO THIS IS A, ANOTHER, UM, VERSION OF THAT JUST A BIT LARGER.
I THINK YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WITH THE WAY THE PRICES ARE INCREASING, YOU BETTER PLAN ON 4000004.5 23.
YOU BETTER PUT IN FOUR POINTS EVERY YEAR.
IT GRADUATED GOING UP CUZ PRICES ARE NOT GONNA GO BACK DOWN FOR A WHILE.
SO PUT THAT IN YOUR MATH, DON.
SO BRIAN, I GUESS I'M FAILING TO SEE THE ADVANTAGE OF PUTTING THIS IN THE 2023 BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO THIS COUNCIL BUCKLING DOWN AND CONTINUING TO WORK TOWARDS THE, UH, WHAT MARK IS REFERRING TO AS A, A PERMANENT SOLUTION, A LONG TERM SOLUTION, UM, JUST TOSSING THE MONEY IN THE 2023 BUDGET.
DOES THAT REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING MORE THAN IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW YOUR ORIGINAL DIRECTIVE, WHICH WAS TO, UH, PULL THIS OUT, COME FEBRUARY AND DIGEST THIS AND START MOVING DOWN THE PATH OF IDENTIFYING
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THE FUNDING SOURCE REVENUE STREAM? UM, I, I'LL ONLY SAY IF I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, IT'S BECAUSE FROM THE TIME I'VE COME ON COUNCIL, THERE'S BEEN ONE CREED THAT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED HERE, AND I THINK EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE HAVE SAID IT.AND THAT IS THE EXPENDITURES THAT THIS COUNCIL, UM, MAKES ARE ALWAYS IDENTIFIED WITH THE FUNDING SOURCE.
WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.
UM, MR. OTTER BROUGHT UP THE, UH, VETERAN'S MEMORIAL AND THE SKATE PARK, BUT I DO RECALL THAT AT THAT TIME WE HAD A CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND SKATE PARK.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
IN THIS CASE, WE SOUND LIKE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA THROW 4.5 MILLION AT THIS AND WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO PAY FOR IT.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AT ALL, BUT BRIAN, UM, TO PUT THE MONEY INTO THE BUDGET, JUST TO PUT THE MONEY INTO THE BUDGET DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH.
I THINK WHAT COUNCIL'S INTENT IS, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DON'T HAVE $4 MILLION WORTH OF WORK ENGINEERED.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ENGINEER THAT WORK AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
WHILE IT WOULDN'T BE IMMEDIATE.
IT, IT WOULD BE SOON AFTER WE STARTED ENGINEERING THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD NEED.
SO WE DON'T HAVE $4 MILLION WORTH OF PIPE AVAILABLE TO US, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ORDER THAT PRODUCT AND RIGHT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE AT 10 MONTHS.
IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? SO IF COUNCIL PUT $4 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, AND BY THE TIME WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AN ENGINEER, WE'RE LOOKING AT MARCH, BY THE TIME WE COULD ORDER PIPE, WE'RE PROBABLY IN APRIL, WHICH MEANS PIPE'S NOT EVEN GETTING HERE UNTIL THE FIRST PART OF 2024.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE, BUT THE BEST MAJORITY OF IT WON'T BE SPENT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SMALL PORTIONS OF IT.
ONLY 10% WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ENGINEERING.
UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME PRE PREPAY ON, UH, PRODUCT COST.
SO FAR, MOST OF THE VENDORS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN, UH, PRE-ORDERING PIPE HAVE ALLOWED US TO ORDER THAT WITHOUT, UH, A DIRECT BILL.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT COUNCIL'S ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, THEY'RE INTENDING BY SIMPLY PUTTING THE, THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THE CONSENSUS SO FAR OF COUNCIL BEING THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S 400,000, 4 MILLION OR 40 MILLION ANNUALLY, AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE A RATE INCREASE.
SO PERHAPS THE DISCUSSION IS MORE ABOUT WHAT IS A IMMEDIATE MODERATE RATE INCREASE.
AND BASED ON THAT, UM, FROM COUNCIL, WE COULD BUILD A RATE, BRING BACK BOTH A APPROPRIATION TO THE 2023 BUDGET TO REFLECT WHATEVER REVENUE MIGHT BE GENERATED FROM A MODERATE RATE INCREASE.
SO YOUR'RE DEMONSTRATING TO THE COMMUNITY YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE PROJECT, WE'RE BEGINNING TO ACCUMULATE RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN START ENGINEERING, WE CAN DO SOME OTHER THINGS, AND THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PLAN AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, FUTURE RATE INCREASES WHILE STILL NECESSARY, MIGHT NOT BE AS SEVERE INITIALLY.
SO WHY NOT? IF YOU KNOW THAT A MILLION DOLLARS IS GENERATED FROM 5.32, UH, FROM A $5 AND 32 CENT A MONTH INCREASE, WELL, WHY NOT MAYBE LOOK AT A $2 A MONTH RATE INCREASE EFFECTIVE FOR FEBRUARY.
AT LEAST THAT STARTS GENERATING MONEY THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO THE BUDGET THAT COULD START THE ENGINEERING PROCESS WHILE COUNCIL CONTINUES TO DEBATE WHAT'S THE BEST OVERALL LONG-TERM PLAN.
WHILE WE'RE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE THE BEST COMPROMISE BASED ON ALL THE POSITIONS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S AGAIN UP TO COUNCIL'S DECISION ON, ON WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
UH, I HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THINGS AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND I GET THAT, RYAN, IF I BROKE OUT MY CHECKBOOK AND WROTE YOU A CHECK FOR $10 MILLION RIGHT NOW, CAN YOU PUT PIPE IN THE GROUND TOMORROW? UH, $10 MILLION WORTH? NO, SIR.
I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD THE MONEY TODAY, THE EARLIEST WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN BE WHAT? MAYBE, I'M GONNA GUESS MAYBE AUGUST.
IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT REASONABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GOTTA DO FOR STUDIES, ORDERING, PIPE AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.
SO AUGUST, SO IF I, IF I WAIT TILL AUGUST AND I OFFER YOU THE 10 MILLION IN, CAN YOU START PUTTING IT IN IN AUGUST OR DO WE GOTTA WAIT ANOTHER EIGHT MONTHS? THE
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MORE WE PUT IT OFF, THE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD IT GETS IS MY POINT.AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE, BUT EVERY MONTH WE WAIT, WE WAIT ANOTHER MONTH AND IT'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY CLOSER TO OUR GOAL.
UM, WE HAD, AGAIN, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE A YEAR AGO.
UM, FEEL FREE TO LOOK IT UP DECEMBER 7TH OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND, UM, I'M, I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
I KNOW I HAD IT, BUT RUSS, HOW MANY FEET OF, UH, WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, UH, WENT INTO THE GROUND IN 2022? UH, THIS YEAR? YEAH.
UM, WELL WITH THE PROJECT COMING UP, IT'S ALMOST 8,000 FEET NOW.
HOW MUCH HAS GONE INTO THE GROUND IN 2022? HOW MUCH HAS BEEN COMPLETED? UH, PROBABLY 4,000 FEET.
UH, THAT'S MORE THAN I THOUGHT BECAUSE A COUPLE MEETINGS BACK, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS STATED THAT WE HADN'T GOTTEN ANY OF IT IN.
WE WERE STILL WAITING ON PIPE.
IT'S WHAT'S STARTING RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE GROUND.
SO WE PUT ZERO FEET IN THE GROUND IN 2022 AFTER HAVING AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.
THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF PUT IT OFF, PUT IT OFF, PUT IT OFF.
SO I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE DISINGENUOUS, IN FACT THAT, AND YOU CAN, BUT, BUT SIR, SIR, I'M, I'M SPEAKING IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, BUT MY POINT HERE IS I THINK THIS HOLDS A LOT MORE WEIGHT AND IMPORTANCE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE UP HERE ON THIS DIAS THING.
UM, IF YOU SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS, I THINK YOU'D FIND THAT OUT.
AND THE SOONER WE ACT THE BETTER.
I'M NOT SAYING WE GOTTA REPLACE EVERYTHING IN ONE YEAR.
I'M NOT SAYING WE GOTTA FUND IT ALL IN ONE YEAR, BUT WE CERTAINLY SHOULD, UH, PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, GET SOME MONEY ROLLING SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME THINGS DONE WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A LONG TERM PLAN.
BECAUSE TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, WE NEED A VERY LONG TERM PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA GET QUITE EXPENSIVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK ON THAT.
AND, AND IF NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF JACKING UP EVERYBODY'S RATES TO PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND MULTIPLE SOURCES TO DO THIS WITH.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
BUT WE NEED TO SHOW SOMETHING NOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOWING OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR DEDICATION TO THIS.
UM, I'VE, I'VE, I THINK AT THIS POINT I'VE, I'VE MADE ALL THE COMMENTS.
SO I MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, I, I'LL MAKE NO MORE COMMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT.
DO WELL, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I GUESS I WANNA KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLUGGING THIS IN, UH, AS AN ADD ON THIS BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO THIS COUNCIL WORKING DILIGENTLY TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UH, IS THERE SOME ADVANTAGE TO PLUGGING IT INTO THE BUDGET IF IN FACT WE DON'T KNOW? UM, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER, AND MR. SCHAFFER'S EMAIL TO ALL OF COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 10TH, UM, UH, MADE IT CLEAR THAT $4 MILLION MAY NOT EVEN BE THE TARGET WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR.
SO WHY ARE WE URGENTLY WANTING TO PLUG $4 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO URGENTLY WORKING ON WHAT IT IS WE REALLY NEED TO SEE AND A LONG TERM PLAN TO FIX IT? THAT'S MY QUESTION, JIM.
YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, REMIND COUNSEL THAT WHEN BRIAN AND I GET TOGETHER EVERY YEAR TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET, WHAT DRIVES THE BUDGET INITIALLY IS THE REVENUE ESTIMATES.
SO, I MEAN, BRIAN AND I HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WHEN I BROUGHT TO HIM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WE SAID, HEY, THERE'S 1.3 MILLION AVAILABLE TO PUT INTO WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IN 2020 THREES BUDGET.
BRIAN'S LIKE, IS THERE, CAN WE GET MORE? BECAUSE HE KNOWS COUNCIL WANTS MORE THAN THAT.
AND I SAID, THAT'S WHAT THE BUDGET CAN SUPPORT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT THE REVENUE SOURCES CAN SUPPORT THE REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT TODAY.
NOW, ONE THING THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, BRIAN AND I WERE TASKED WITH, UM, TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SAVED FROM MAYBE OPEN, UH, POSITIONS THIS YEAR.
SO WE GATHERED FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS CAME UP WITH $295,000 THAT WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S PUT THAT ASIDE AND LET'S START ENGINEERING.
YOU KNOW, SO WE TOLD RUSS, HEY, THERE'S $295,000 LET'S ENGINEER NOW FOR PIPE TO GO IN THE GROUND AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IN 23, IF NOT BY LATE 22.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER WAY OF, UM, OF GENERATING IT EARLY.
NOW, I, I LIKE WHAT BRIAN PRESENTED ABOUT THE, UM, THE COMPROMISE WHERE, UM, THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND $4 MILLION IN PIPE IN 2023, BUT WE CAN DEDICATE
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A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHETHER IT'S 400,000, 450,000 TOWARDS MORE ENGINEERING TOWARDS WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OF, OF PUTTING MORE PIPE IN, MAYBE VERY LATE IN 23 OR EARLY IN 24, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THAT ENGINEERING TAKES AND HOW LONG THE PIPE TAKES TO GET HERE.SO THERE, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES JUST THROWING $4 MILLION.
I I'M NOT HEARING ANY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M INSTRUCTED TO ADD $4 MILLION TO THE BUDGET OR 3.2 MILLION, WHAT REVENUE IS GONNA COVER THAT? I, I CAN'T PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'D BE PASSING A BUDGET BUDGET THAT'S NEGATIVE AND THE COUNTY WOULD THROW IT BACK AT ME.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE AND WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH THAT YET TONIGHT.
THE 1.3 MILLION THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, HOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE IN THE GROUND IN 2023? HAS HE, I KNOW WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT RUSS JUST FROM A PROCESS.
SO WE GOTTA ENGINEER IT FIRST, THEN WE GOTTA ORDER THE PIPE, THEN IT GOES IN THE GROUND.
SO WHAT WE DO KNOW IS WE HAVE 1.3 MILLION IN THE 2023 BUDGET FOR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
SO WHEN DOES THAT MONEY GET SPENT? WHEN DOES THAT PIPE GO IN THE GROUND? WE, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON THE PIPE.
SO IT TOOK SIX MONTHS TO GET THE PIPE.
THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THIS YEAR.
BUT THAT PROGRAM WAS 1.8 MILLION IS WHAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED TO SPEND ON THAT PIPE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING TO PUT IN THE GROUND NOW.
SO THE MONEY THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR 2023, WE ALLOCATED THAT IN THE 2023 BUDGET BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT SPLIT IT WAS GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE GROUND.
SO WE'RE GONNA INSTALL 1.8 MILLION OF WATER MAIN, I BELIEVE THAT'S IN 2023 BEFORE.
SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT COVER WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ENGINEERED? SO IS THE NEXT STEP ENGINEERING MORE WATER MAIN OR, OR, OR HAS THAT BEEN IDENTIFIED OR HAVE WE ENGINEERED ANY OF THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 1.8? I JUST STARTED GETTING ENGINEERING ABOUT A MONTH AGO ON ANOTHER, PROBABLY SAY IT PROBABLY THREE TO 4 MILLION WORTH OF PIPE.
WELL, OF INSTALLATION FOR THE PIPE FOR NEXT YEAR? FOR, FOR 20, WELL, YEAH, IT'LL BE DONE IN PROBABLY MARCH OR APRIL.
THE PLANS WILL BE READY TO, BUT THEN ONCE AGAIN I HAVE TO ORDER THAT PIPE.
IT'S A 10 MONTH PERIOD TO GET THE PIPE.
SO IF I WOULD HAVE IT DONE THEN, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, PIPE'S NOT GONNA SHOW UP UNTIL, IF I ORDERED IT NOW IT'D BE OCTOBER.
SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN 2023? YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN 2024 IF IT'S NOT GONNA GO IN THE GROUND UNTIL 2024.
SO PART OF THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO, THE COMMENTS I WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE EARLIER IS THAT WE ARE, WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE POSITION WE'RE IN NOT FOR A WANT OF INACTION.
WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE POSITION WE'RE IN AT THE REQUEST OF COUNSEL SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION WE HAD WHEN WE ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED THE 2022 BUDGET.
AND WE WERE GOING INTO THE, WE WERE GOING INTO THE DISCUSSION LATE IN THE YEAR.
THE CITY'S POSITION, THE STAFF'S POSITION WAS THAT THE LINING PROJECT WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
COUNSELOR WAS CONCERNED BASED ON THE BREAKS, WHAT WAS CAUSING THE BREAKS AND WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO DO ABOUT IT.
IT WAS STAFF'S POSITION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE REASONS WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
MANY OF THOSE WHICH WERE VALIDATED IN THE STUDY.
BUT AT THAT TIME, COUNSEL DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW STAFF'S EDUCATED RECOMMENDATIONS.
COUNCIL WANTED US TO STEP BACK AND BRING IN AN EXPERT TO VALIDATE FROM THEIR OPINION WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.
SO WE RESPONDED TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO DO THAT.
AND BY DOING THAT, WE HAD NOT ENGINEERED FULL REPLACEMENTS BECAUSE WE WERE INTENDING TO DO LINING BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL.
WE THEN HAD TO SHIFT AND START ENGINEERING.
WE AS STAFF WERE NOT ACTING IN ANY WAY NOT TO ADVANCE THE WISHES OF COUNCIL AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD.
SO WE WERE RESPONDING TO WHAT WE WERE DOING.
AND PART OF COUNSEL'S DISCUSSION WAS THAT YOU DID NOT WANT TO ENTERTAIN ANY ADDITIONAL WORK OR ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION UNTIL WE HAD THIS STUDY BACK.
SO WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO EVERY REQUEST THAT COUNSEL HAS HAD WITH REGARD TO THIS ISSUE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT'S COMPLICATED, OUR ABILITY TO BE RESPONSIVE WITHIN THE BUDGET YEAR THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED IS THE DELAY IN PRODUCT WHICH IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
AND EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING THAT DELAY.
SO WE ARE DESIGNING, PURCHASING, AWARDING, AND CONSTRUCTING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN ALL OF THE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO US.
SO TO SAY THAT THE CITY IS DOING NOTHING BECAUSE
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WE ARE WANTING TO DO NOTHING IS INCORRECT.WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO GO.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT DIRECTION WAS TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME RECEIVING AN EDUCATION ABOUT WHY THESE ISSUES ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING.
THE ONLY DELAY WE HAD WAS A 47 DAY DELAY IN GETTING THE STUDY IN FROM THE TIME THAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT UNTIL THE TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED IT.
AND THAT DELAY WAS THE RESULT OF OUR THIRD PARTY VENDOR, OUR THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR, VIOLA AND THEIR SOFTWARE TEAM AND THE TRANSITION THAT THEY WENT THROUGH FROM SUEZ TO VIOLA.
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL RUSS.
SO BASED ON KNOWING THIS TIMEFRAME WE HAVE BETWEEN ENGINEERING, ORDERING PIPE AND THEN PIPE INSTALLATION, YOU SAY YOU'VE STARTED ENGINEERING MORE WORK FOR 2023? YEAH.
SO MY QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN DECEMBER NOW, SO WE'RE ABOUT TO BE IN 2023, HOW MUCH OF THE, SO IS THE ONE 28 MILLION THAT'S ALLOCATED RIGHT NOW, IS THAT OUTSIDE OF ENGINEERING? ANY NEW PROJECT IN 2023? YEAH.
OR DO YOU NEED ADDITIONAL MONEY ALLOCATED IN 2023 FOR MORE ENGINEERING? I DO NOT NEED IT FOR MORE ENGINEERING, BUT, UH, IT WILL BE FOR, IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GONNA BE THE VERY END OF THE YEAR.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH, HOW MANY OF THOSE STREETS YOU WANT TO DO.
IF YOU WANNA DO $4 MILLION WORTH, THE MONEY WILL PROBABLY NOT BE SPENT TILL THE BEGINNING OF 24.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT POINT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF JIM, IF YOU HAVE TO ENCUMBER MONEY AHEAD OF TIME FOR THIS OR NOT.
SO LET'S JUST SAY COUNCIL DECIDED FROM SOMEWHERE WE'RE GONNA GET FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THE 2024 BUDGET.
HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU NEED IN 2023 TO ENGINEER FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF WORK IN 2020? HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU NEED IN 2023 TO ENGINEER WHAT YOU CAN PUT IN THE GROUND OF FOUR AND A HALF MILLION IN 2024? I THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING ENGINEERED RIGHT NOW IS ENOUGH TO COVER 4 MILLION WORTH OF WORK.
SO I DON'T NEED ANY MORE ENGINEERING RIGHT NOW.
SO NO MORE ENGINEERING RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT MONEY'S NOT GONNA BE SPENT UNTIL 2024.
BECAUSE EVEN WE HAVEN'T ORDERED THE PIPE YET.
SO IF I DID IT IN JANUARY, IT WOULD TAKE 10 MONTHS, IT WOULD BE OCTOBER TILL WE GET THE PIPE.
UH, CONTRACTOR WOULDN'T START TILL NOVEMBER PROBABLY.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS TO FIVE MONTHS.
CUZ THAT'S A PRETTY BIG PROJECT TO FINISH.
AND THAT'S THROUGH THE WINTER.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 24, PROBABLY MAY BEFORE IT'S DONE.
THAT'S WHAT I DID A TIMELINE OF HOW LONG, IF I STARTED JANUARY 1ST WITH COUNCIL, GOING THROUGH COUNCIL MEETINGS, GOING THROUGH DESIGN, GOING THROUGH, UM, GETTING A CONTRACTOR AND THEN PUTTING IN 10 MONTHS OF PIPE, IT WOULD TAKE A PERFECT TIMING.
IT WOULD TAKE ONE YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS TO FINISH A PROJECT.
SO IN REALITY, I CAN'T, IT'S HARD FOR ME, YOU ALL WANNA DO A PROJECT EVERY YEAR OF 4 MILLION.
IT TAKES A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS TO DO THAT.
I WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO START OVERLAPPING PROJECTS IN ORDER TO DO GOTCHA.
SO SO THE DISCUSSION HERE, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I THINK THE FIRST SOLUTION IS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T SPEND FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN 2023.
IT WOULDN'T BE SPENT UNTIL 2024.
AND IF YOU'VE ALREADY ENGINEERED EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN ENGINEER TO PUT THE 1.8 MILLION IN THE GROUND IN 2023, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT LATER IN 2023 WHEN RUST DECIDES OR CAN FIGURE OUT WHEN HE CAN ENGINEER MORE PROJECTS TO ALLOCATE MORE MONEY FOR THE PIPE SO THAT IT ISN'T ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON ON PIPING.
IT'S IF YOU GOTTA ENGINEER IT FIRST.
AND THAT, SO I'M, I'M SO COMING BACK, I'M SO CONFUSED AS TO WHY IN THE WORLD WE'RE HOLDING UP A 2023 BUDGET OVER FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WHEN THE MONEY CAN'T EVEN BE SPENT IN 2023.
SOMEBODY EXPLAINED THAT TO ME.
GLENN, RUSS, CAN I CLARIFY REAL QUICK? YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE DONE THE ENGINEERING WORK AND FROM WHAT I HEARD, YOU'VE DONE THE ENGINEERING WORK AND YOU HAVE FOUR TO 5 MILLION IS STARTED IT STARTING, BUT YOU'D HAVE FOUR TO 5 MILLION OF WORK.
I GET THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO THREE OR 4 MILLION.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT MONEY TO DO THE WORK.
YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING THE ENGINEERING RIGHT NOW, SO THAT PIPE COULD BE ORDERED MID, MID 2023 IF WE HAD THE FUNDING, BUT, BUT IT CAN'T BE INSTALLED TILL THE VERY END OF THE YEAR.
BUT IF WE WAIT TO FUND IT NEXT YEAR, THEN WE'D HAVE TO WAIT EVEN FURTHER THEN.
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WELL, IF YOU WAITED THE FUNDING NEXT YEAR, I MEAN WE, YOU'D START, YOU COULD START JANUARY 1ST WITH IT.I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I, IF IT TAKES 10 MONTHS TO GET THE PIPE, THEY COULD START POSSIBLY IN NOVEMBER.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE AS PART OF OUR PROPOSALS IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON A PROGRAM THAT CLARIFIES HOW THESE PROJECTS ALL WORK TOGETHER.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE EFFECTIVELY GOT ALMOST THREE YEARS OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE OVERLAPPED IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION.
WE'VE CHANGED OUR PROCESS AS A RESULT OF, UH, LAST YEAR AND THAT'S NOW THROWN US OFF.
SO WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE YEARS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE OVERLAPPING.
SO MAYBE THE ISSUE ISN'T SPENDING $4 MILLION A YEAR, MAYBE IT'S SPENDING SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EVERY TWO YEARS, OR $7 MILLION EVERY TWO YEARS SO THAT THESE PROJECTS, YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK DONE, BUT YOU'RE HAVING CLEARLY DELINEATED PROJECT CYCLES SO THAT STAFF CAN STAY FOCUSED ON THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND WE'RE NOT LOSING SIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DEBATING WHAT'S OVERLAPPING, WHAT THERE ARE CLEAR DELINEATIONS.
SO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK IS GETTING DONE.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GETTING $12 MILLION WORTH OF WORK DONE OVER, UH, THREE YEARS? UM, OR EXCUSE ME, OVER, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, $12 MILLION DONE OVER FOUR YEARS VERSUS, UM, $6 MILLION WORTH OF WORK DONE EVERY THREE YEARS.
IT STILL WINDS UP BEING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BENCHMARK.
IT'S JUST HOW THAT WORK IS GROUPED TOGETHER.
I THINK I EXPLAINED THAT RIGHT.
RUSS DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB AT, BUT, AND, AND I THINK GOING CIRCLE IT.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE WOULD WAIT FOR YOU GUYS TO GET TO US SO WE KNOW WHEN TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING AND WHERE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
IN THE INTEREST OF COMPROMISE, MR. BELL, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO DRAW THIS UP TO TRANSFERS, UH, GAS CAPS LIKE THIS LEGISLATION A WEEK, SAY TWO WEEKS? LESS THAN THAT.
WHY DON'T WE PASS THE BUDGET WE HAVE AND IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AFTER WE FIND A SOURCE TWO WEEKS, WE CAN ADD MORE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE AUTO LIONS AND SHAW PLAN IF YOU COULD FORWARD THAT ONTO COUNCIL BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE DETAILS TO SLEEP ON IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WHY CAN'T, I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS THIS APPETITE TO MAKE THINGS THE BEST THING FOR OUR CITIZENS.
SO I THINK WE ALL JUST NEED TO EXHALE AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS ONE OF THESE DAYS, SOON WE WILL HAVE A PLAN LONG TERM TO ADDRESS OUR WATER MAIN INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, RUSS, OUR NEWER SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WHAT TYPE OF PIPE MATERIAL DO THEY HAVE? IT'S THE SAME DUCTAL IRON CLASS 53 AND DUCTAL IRON PIPE HAS A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF WHAT, ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT SHOULD HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN CORROSIVE SOILS, IT SEEMED TO BE LASTING 60 TO 80.
AND THE CORROSIVE SOILS, UH, BASED ON THE CODE AND SUCH, TODAY IS LESS OF A PROBLEM.
BECAUSE NOW WE'RE USING BETTER, MORE GRAVEL BACK FILL BACK.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT 10 OLD DEVELOPMENTS.
WHICH, WHICH IS THE CAVEAT TO THE PLAN THAT THAT'S THE SKEW.
SO, UH, I THINK YOU HAVE BETWEEN A FOUR AND 8 MILLION PROBLEM PER YEAR.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU BREAK IT UP INTO, YOU KNOW, 16 MILLION ON TWO YEARS OR IF YOU GO 5 MILLION EACH YEAR.
THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PLAN.
WE'VE GIVEN EXCELLENT SERVICE AND EXCELLENT WATER QUALITY SINCE WE'VE OWNED THE WATER UTILITY SINCE 1995.
WE'VE HAD THE SAME MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THE SAME COMPANY THAT OWNED IT WHEN IT WAS PRIVATE AND MANAGED IT, UH, OUR WATER RATES AND SEWER RATES HAVE BEEN LOW.
IS THAT NOT THE STUDY THAT WE SEE EACH YEAR, JIM? YES.
WE'RE IN THE, ONE OF THE TOP TWO OR THREE LOWEST IN THE, UH, WHOLE DAYTON AREA.
AND, AND WHEN WE DO WATER SOFTENING, DID, DID WE, DID WE APPRECIATE ANY RATE INCREASE WHEN WE SOFTEN THE WATER? YES, WE DO.
UM, WHEN WE SAW, WHEN WE DID THE, THE NEW WELL PLANT WHEN, WHEN THE EPA REQUIRED
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US TO DO A NEW, WELL WE DID A NEW WELL, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE SOFTENING CLAUSE.PRIOR TO THAT, UH, WE JUST CLOSED THE OLD PLANT.
WE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT.
SO WHEN YOU DID THE SOFTENING, YOU ALREADY HAD THE RIP ROAD WELL PLANT FOR SEVERAL YEARS PRIOR TO THAT? YES.
WELL, WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY PUT IT IN, YOU HAD TO INCREASE RATES.
UH, THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE.
SO WE'VE INCREASED RATES WHEN WE'VE INCREASED EXPENSES AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN THE USER'S PIGGY BANK.
WE'VE INCREASED THEM AS WE'VE NEEDED IT.
SO THERE IS A STUDY THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SUBSTANTIAL DEBT RETIRE AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ROLL THAT IN.
AND WE DON'T KNOW, THIS COMMUNITY MAY BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH, MAY BE BLESSED BECAUSE I THINK GOD HAS CONTINUED TO BLESS THIS COMMUNITY OVER FOUR DECADES.
YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR THAT COULD ANSWER ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE'VE PAID A CONSULTANT TO TELL US IT'S PRETTY SIZEABLE AND IT'S SIZEABLE ENOUGH THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT WITHOUT INCREASING SOME TYPE OF REVENUE SOURCE.
JIM, DO YOU EVER HAVE MONEY BUDGETED AND NOT SPEND IT DURING THAT CALENDAR YEAR, THAT FISCAL PERIOD? YES.
WELL, IT JUST GOES INTO THE FUND BALANCE.
IF IT'S NOT, UM, USED, REMEMBER THE YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT PARKS? YEAH.
WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT $150,000 AND THEN WAS IT 300,000? I THINK THREE 50.
AND THEN WE PICKED YOU UP OFF THE FLOOR
AND, AND, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, WELL THERE WAS NO WAY WE WERE GONNA SPEND THAT IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
WE HAD THAT AND DIDN'T AND WE DID NOT.
IF WE INCREASED THE BUDGET BY $5 MILLION WITH THIS ISSUE AND YOU'VE JUST HEARD ALL THE EXPERTS, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SPEND IT.
WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF THAT? WOULD THAT LOWER OUR BOND RATING? WELL, IF WE ARE USING, SAY THE GENERAL FUND TO FUND ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF, UH, WATER MAIN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UH, GO IN THE GROUND UNTIL 2024, THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT ANY BONDING THAT WE DO NEXT YEAR.
AND, AND THERE IS GONNA BE SOME BONDING, WHETHER IT BE NOTES OR LONG TERM BONDS, IT IS COMING UP BECAUSE WE KNOW THOSE ARE VERY LARGE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP IN, UH, IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE WITH CIVIC CENTER AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
SO GLEN AUTO, YOU DON'T PUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET.
SO IF YOU PASS THE BUDGET WITH THIS FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND YOU ONLY SPENT A MILLION OF IT, WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE? WELL, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE REVENUE SOURCE.
WHAT REVENUE SOURCE ARE WE TYING TO ANY INCREASE OF FOUR 40 Y'ALL FARMERS, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, A SIGNIFICANT COST TO OUR BOND RATING AS, AS WELL AS THE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING ON THE INTEREST FOR OUR BONDS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF MONEY.
WE HAVE MONEY IN A TIF BUCKET.
IS, IS THAT POINTED TO ANYTHING? DOES THAT PAY FOR ANYTHING? DOES THAT BACKSTOP ANYTHING? OH, UH, OF COURSE.
THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PLANS THAT, UH, DONNIE JONES PUT INTO EFFECT WHEN HE WAS HERE.
AND, UH, THAT'S ALL GOING TOWARDS DIFFERENT DEBT, UH, FOR THE FACILITY, AQUATIC CENTER, MUSIC CENTER.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR THESE, UH, NICE AMENITIES THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE, TO THE CITY.
SO THOSE ARE DEDICAT REVENUE SEEMS HIGH NOW.
IT'S DEDICATED TOWARDS THOSE, UH, PAYING OFF THAT DEBT FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
NOW, NOW I THINK WE APPROPRIATED $4 MILLION ON SOME LAND FOR EXECUTIVE.
THREE FIVE FOR THE LAND PROPERTY IN THE LEGISLATION FOR STAFF TO SPEND AS THEY SAW APPROPRIATE.
AND, AND IS, ARE WE GONNA PUT THAT BACK ONCE WE SELL THAT? YES.
AND, AND WHEN DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SELL THAT? ALL OF IT TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK? UH, THAT'LL BE BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 1ST, 2024.
SO YOU HAD SAID EARLIER THAT, I MEAN, IF WE JUST ADD FOUR AND A HALF MILLION TO THE BUDGET
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AND WE TURNED THAT IN WITHOUT A REVENUE SOURCE AIMED AT IT, THE COUNTY WOULD SEND THAT BACK BECAUSE THE BALANCE NOW IS NEGATIVE.IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T BALANCE.
SO THE OPTION IS SUBMIT A BUDGET THAT'S GOT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN IT THAT WE KNOW WE CAN'T SPEND ANYWAY TO THE COUNTY TO HAVE THE COUNTY SEND IT BACK TO US OR ALLOCATE THE MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN TAKE A SIGNIFICANT IN OUR BOND RATING ON THE OTHER 20 MILLION OF THE PROJECTS THE CITY'S ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING.
IN A NUTSHELL, IS THAT WHERE WE FIND OURSELF? YES.
UM, I'M NOT AFRAID OF THE BOOGEYMAN.
I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE DIAS FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND ABOUT HOLDING UP A BUDGET.
I'VE HEARD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SAY, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THERE, THEN HE'S NOT GONNA VOTE FOR THE BUDGET.
I'VE HEARD STAFF COME UP WITH MANY ISSUES THAT I KNOW ARE JUST FLAT OUT WRONG.
I'M NOT EVEN GONNA SAY DISINGENUOUS.
I'M GONNA SAY IT'S FLAT OUT WRONG.
CUZ I'VE BEEN ON THE DIAS FOR 11 YEARS.
I'VE WORKED WITH DONNIE JONES, I'VE WORKED WITH JIM BELL, AND THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID BY MY COLLEAGUES.
IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY NO TO JUST SAY NO, YOU'RE ON THE RECORD, YOU'RE GOOD.
THE VOTE'S ON MONDAY, DON'T BRING THE BOOGEYMAN IN HERE.
THE PLAN THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT APPARENTLY WE DON'T HAVE NOW, THIS IS TO INJECT MONEY INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET OR DO NOTHING.
NOW WHAT IS NOTHING? NOTHING IS THE BUDGET CURRENTLY WITH 1.3 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE LAST YEAR.
BUT LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET, $1.3 MILLION FOR THE, UM, FOR, FOR THIS, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS MAJOR PROBLEM GOING ON.
WELL, WE DID HAVE THE MAJOR PROBLEM GOING ON, BUT WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
WE HAVE THE STUDY, IT'S VERY SIMPLE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS APPARENTLY THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
NOW, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY.
IS THAT RIGHT? I HAVE THE RIGHT MONTH.
STAFF WANTED TO HAVE THIS IN FEBRUARY BECAUSE THE STUDY DIDN'T COME BACK AND THEY YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO YOU WANTED DO IT NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT MEETING.
INJECT THE MONEY NOW AND THEN COME UP WITH A FUNDING SOURCE FOR LONG TERM.
NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET AND JUST SAY NO, YOU WANT TO DO NOTHING NOW YOU WANT A COMMON SENSE APPROACH.
FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS APPARENTLY WANT TO FIX THIS NOW DO WHAT WE CAN NOW, RUSS, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVEN'T REPLACED ONE WATER MAIN FROM THE FUNDING WE HAVE THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S STARTING NOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE BACKLOGS AND WE HAVE THINGS.
YEAH, THOSE ARE PROBLEMS. BUT RUSS, HOW MUCH, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE US START TO FINISH TO BUILD THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER FROM THE VERY FIRST MEETING IN THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TO RIBBON CUTTING.
HOW LONG WAS THAT? WAS THAT 18 MONTHS? START TO FINISH? PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT.
JIM? I'D SAY IT WAS TWO TO TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
TWO AND A TWO AND TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
FOR SOME REASON, 18 MONTHS IS STICKING ME, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A MARK CAMPBELL PLAN.
I WISH WE HAD A MARK CAMPBELL ON STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THIS MAJOR PROBLEM.
THANK GOD WE HAVE A MARK CAMPBELL ON COUNCIL.
BUT THIS PROBLEM CAN BE WORKED ON.
YOU GOT COUNCIL MEMBERS THE VOTES ON MONDAY.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU WANT TO PUT THE MONEY TO IT TO DO EVERYTHING.
WE CAN THEN VOTE FOR IT AND PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, THE FUNDING SOURCE.
JIM, UNLESS I HEAR FROM SOMEBODY ELSE A BETTER IDEA.
THERE IS YOUR FUNDING SOURCE FROM ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.
THERE'S THE RESPONSIBILITY, THERE'S FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY.
WE OWE THIS CITY TO THE RESIDENCE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN GET BEHIND.
DO SOMETHING, WORK ON IT, FIX IT, OR VOTE NO AND DON'T DO ANYTHING.
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CAN WE SPEND FOUR AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IN 2023? RUSS? TO ME, YEAH.LIKE I SAID, IT'S END OF THE YEAR.
I MEAN IT WOULD, IF WE DID, WE'D BE STARTING AT THE VERY END OF THE YEAR.
HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY DO YOU THINK WE COULD SPEND IN 2023 ON TOP OF THE 1.8 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED? JUST CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO IF WE HAVE 1.8 MILLION THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA GO ON THE GROUND IN 2023 YES.
HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ABOVE 1.8 MILLION COULD WE SPEND IN 2023 THAT WE COULD ALLOCATE AS A COMPROMISE IN THIS BUDGET RATHER THAN 4.5 THAT WE KNOW WE CAN'T SPEND? I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO JIM.
I THINK I, UM, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN WE PHYSIC HOW MUCH CAN WE PHYSICALLY DO? OH, PHYSICALLY DO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MR. LYONS IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA DO AND DO SOMETHING NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD GET BY THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, WE COULD PROBABLY TRY TO BID IT OUT AND GET A CONTRACTOR.
LIKE I SAID, WE'D HAVE TO ORDER THE PIPE AT THE VERY JANUARY, GET IT ORDERED SO THAT IT'S THERE IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
IS ADDITIONAL WORK ENGINEERED, OR HOW SOON IS ADDITIONAL VEHICLE ENGINEERED BE ENGINEERED? PROBABLY IN MARCH AND THEN WE COULD BID IT OUT IN NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AFTER THAT.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT IS? THREE TO 4 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DESIGNED THAT GET THREE TO 4 MILLION DESIGNED.
CAN IT PHYSICALLY PUT IN THE GROUND? NO, IT WON'T BE, CAN'T 2023 PUT IN THE GROUND UNTIL THE LAST MONTH OR TWO OF THE YEAR AND THEN IT'LL GO INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR? PROBABLY AT LEAST THREE, FOUR MONTHS MINIMUM.
SO, SO IF WE ADDED FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THE 2023 BUDGET AND IT, AND IT DIDN'T GET SPENT IN 2023, IT CARRIES OVER TO 2024.
THAT'S WHERE I, I I THINK I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PLAN IS BECAUSE THEN IN 2023, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO ENGINEER AN ORDER, AN ADDITIONAL FOUR TO 5 MILLION OF, OF WORK? AND AND THAT'S THE MISSING PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THIS, HOW MUCH OF THIS MONEY OVERLAPS? NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY, BUT WHAT FISCAL YEAR DOES THE MONEY ACTUALLY GET SPENT FROM THE TIME IT CAN BE ENGINEERED AND THE PIPE BEING ORDERED
AND THAT WE DON'T, AND THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
NOW I DON'T VOTE, BUT ED THAT IS BEING RESPONSIBLE AND I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THROWING MONEY INTO A BUDGET THAT WE KNOW WE CAN'T SPEND WITHOUT A PLAN FROM ENGINEERING AND FROM STAFF ON WHEN THE WORK CAN BE ENGINEERED, WHEN THE PIPE CAN BE ORDERED, WHEN THE PIPE CAN BE INSTALLED, AND THEN MAKING SURE THE MONEY IS IN THAT BUDGET YEAR TO BE ABLE TO SPEND JIM.
AND IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE AT THE VERY END OF 2023 AND YOU'VE GOT, AS YOU'VE SAID, FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO DO THAT PLAN NEXT YEAR, THAT CAN BE A SUPPLEMENTAL IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER OF 2023.
IF EVERYTHING FALLS INTO PLACE AND WE'RE READY TO SPEND THAT MONEY, UH, BY THEN, YOU KNOW, AS BRIAN SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A MEETING IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY OR MARCH ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PLANS.
AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD AN INITIAL MEETING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER FOUR OR FIVE PLANS ON HOW TO COME UP WITH A REVENUE SOURCE.
BY THEN THAT REVENUE SOURCE WILL BE IDENTIFIED OR COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE ONE, TWO, OR THREE OPTIONS AS TO HOW THEY WANT TO COME UP WITH THAT REVENUE SOURCE.
AND THAT CAN BE, UM, A PLAN THAT COMES INTO FRUITION AT THE SAME TIME AS WE SUPPLEMENT THE BUDGET LATER IN THE YEAR.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T GET SPENT, BUT WHY PUT IT IN THE BUDGET NOW IF IT'S AN UNKNOWN UNTIL THERE'S PLENTY OF PROJECTS THAT I HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU, UH, COUNCIL WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND I SUPPLEMENT THE BUDGET AND IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE OR THAT IT MAY NOT HAPPEN IN 23, LET'S PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET IN A SUPPLEMENTAL LATER IN THE YEAR WHEN WE DO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WILL BE.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT A A FAN OF THE BOOGIE MAN EITHER.
BUT WHAT I'LL SAY AND IF ED IS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING ME TO SAY ON THE RECORD IS YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T VOTE, BUT I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS COUNCIL PASS A BUDGET WITH AN ADDITIONAL FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WHEN WE KNOW WE CAN'T EVEN SPEND IT IN THAT BUDGET YEAR.
SO I'M ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT DOING THAT.
BUT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT DOING THAT.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO SAY, I'M OPENLY WILLING TO SHARE THAT WITH ANYBODY.
I DON'T SUPPORT PASSING A BUDGET WITH FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM THAT WE CAN'T SPEND ANYWAY ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER WHO'S GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACTS FOR THE WORK.
I, YES, I JUST WANTED TO REPEAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT BRIAN SAID
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EARLIER.FOR ME TO DO A PROJECT THAT TAKES 1.11 YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS, REALLY ABOUT ONE, ONE YEAR AND A HALF, IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU WANTED TO DO 4 MILLION A YEAR FOR ME TO, TO DO 6 MILLION PROJECT EVERY YEAR AND A HALF.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD WORK OUT BEST FOR ENGINEERING AND FOR DESIGN AND FOR CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN, LIKE I SAID, TRYING TO DO 4 MILLION AND OVERLAP EVERY JANUARY.
I'M NOT DONE WITH THE FIRST ONE TO GET TO THE NEXT HOW ARE YOU? THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAN.
I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THIS, ANITA.
OKAY, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO FOR 2022 WE HAD 1.8 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
PROBABLY SO WE HAVE PUT NOTHING IN THE GROUND, BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE FOUR FIVE STREETS HUBBARD.
THOSE, THOSE ARE GETTING THIS YEAR'S MONEY SPENT PROBABLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
WHY DID WE GO DOWN FROM 1.8 TO 1.3 WHEN WE KNEW WE HAD A PROBLEM? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION IN THE BUDGET.
WHY DID WE DECREASE KNOWING THIS WAS A PROBLEM? MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WE HAD THE STUDY BACK FOR FIVE, SIX WEEKS NOW YOU SAID THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY UP FRONT TO ORDER PIPING.
WHY AREN'T WE BEING PROACTIVE AND ORDERING X AMOUNT OF PIPING? I MEAN, THAT WAY IF WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT UP FRONT, WHEN WE GET THIS RESOLVED, WE GOT THE PIPING COMING IN.
LIKE OUR ORDER IS PLACED NOW WILL BE EXACT NUMBERS.
WILL IT BE AMOUNTS THAT WE WILL BE USING? YES.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE HAVING THE DELAY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS MONEY UP FRONT TO ORDER THE PIPING, THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST AS I CAN.
THE 1.8 MILLION 1.3 IS WHAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET IN WHICH WE'VE CONSISTENTLY PUT IN THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD BASED ON, UH, HOW WE SET 2023.
WE MADE THE RATE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, GOING INTO THIS YEAR, UM, WHEN WE ADJUSTED THE WATER AND SEWER RATES TO MOVE, UM, ADDITIONAL REVENUES INTO THE WATER FUND TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE MORE MONEY.
SO THAT HALF A MILLION I BELIEVE COMES FROM THE, IS IT THE MARDI GRAS PROJECT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAD 1.8 DEDICATED FOR JUST THE ONES FOR THE STREETS.
UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS THE ONE TIME IN, I, I BELIEVE THERE WAS THE ONE TIME INJECTION, UM, FROM THE RESERVE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND WE DID THE EVALUATION.
THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.
THAT'S WHY THERE WAS THE ONE TIME FUND, UM, THERE WAS THE ONE TIME ABILITY FOR US TO LOWER THE AMOUNT WE HAD ON RESERVE AGAINST OUTSTANDING DEBT.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S 1.8 AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.
BUT GOING FORWARD, THAT NUMBER GOES BACK DOWN TO 1.3.
IF THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON THE PIPE THAT'S IN THE GROUND NOW IS 2022 BUDGET MONEY AND WE'VE GOT 1.3 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR 2023, I'M NOT HEARING THAT WE CAN EVEN SPEND 1.3 MILLION IN 2023 OR IS THAT WRONG? SO TO THE SCHEDULE NOW, RUSS, COULD YOU TALK TO THAT? WELL, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL NEED FOR 1.3 MILLION THAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR THE 10.
THIS BUDGET HAS PRESENTED FOR 2023 BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MONEY, THE 1.8 THAT WE'RE SPENDING WAS 2022 BUDGET MONEY.
SO THE 1.3 THAT I GUESS WE WERE GONNA TRY TO USE TOWARDS THE 4 MILLION, UM, YEAH, WE CAN'T DO IT CUZ IT'S GONNA BE ONE BIG PROJECT AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
NO, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE THE HUG THE WHOLE AMOUNT.
SO, SO IF WE, OKAY, SO IF WE, IF THE 1.3 STAYS IN THE BUDGET, IF WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MARK SAID EARLIER MONEY IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND CUZ WE CAN'T SPEND IT, THAT'S GONNA CARRY OVER TO IT CAN BE CARRIED OVER, CAN BE CARRIED OVER TO THE 2024 BUDGET.
SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO FIGURING OUT, ALLOCATING THE MONEY, THEN THAT, LIKE THAT 1.3 IS WHAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE OVERALL 4.5 OR MAYBE IT'S MORE, MAYBE IT'S SEVEN, MAYBE IT'S EIGHT DEPENDING ON WHATEVER REVENUE SOURCE WE FIND.
SO THAT 1.3 MONEY THAT'S IN THE BUDGET NOW WE KNOW ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SPENT IN 2023.
IT'S, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT'S GONNA CARRY OVER TO 2024.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A SPENDING ISSUE, IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.
IF YOU CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY, YOU CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, TRYING TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY OUT OF 2023 BUDGET IS MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN HELPFUL WHEN YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T EVEN SPEND IT.
I MEAN I I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
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OF INCREASING SOME THE RATES.WAS THAT TO OFFSET THE ISSUE JIM BROUGHT UP ABOUT USING OR POINTING TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE YOU THEN HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE.
THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE.
WE COULD BEGIN BUILDING RESOURCES.
SO WE COULD BEGIN, I GUESS PUTTING MONEY IN THE PIGGY BANK FOR A LACK OF BETTER TERMS. UM, WE COULD THEN HAVE SOME RESOURCES AVAILABLE A LITTLE LATER IN THE YEAR TO BEGIN DOING SOME ENGINEERING WORK.
SO THAT AS WHAT WOULD BE THE PERMANENT PLAN OR THE LONGER TERM PLAN AS THAT DEVELOPED AND WAS IMPLEMENTED, WE WOULD BE AHEAD TO IMPLEMENT THAT INSTEAD OF BEHIND, WHICH IS WHERE SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FIND OURSELVES BECAUSE WE TOOK THE TIME TO COMMISSION THE STUDY AND RECONFIGURE RESOURCES TO DO ALL REPLACEMENTS IN, IN 2022.
SO THE IDEA IS TO GET OUT FROM THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS FOR SOME BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND GET BACK OUT IN FRONT OF THE ISSUE.
THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I HAD PROPOSED THE COMPROMISE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WERE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE THE RATE.
SO WHETHER OR NOT, SO WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMING OF THAT COMPROMISE? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONDAY VOTING ON THE BUDGET.
WHEN WOULD WE INITIATE THE INCREASE IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE? YOU COULD DIRECT THAT WE BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION FOR NEXT WEEK.
WOULD THE TIMING NEED TO BE THAT, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME AGENDA? IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE, IT COULD BE THE FOLLOWING, IT COULD BE THE FOLLOWING MEETING WHENEVER COUNCIL WOULD WISH.
BUT BASED ON HOW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ARE TRYING TO TIE THESE TWO ISSUES TOGETHER, THAT'S WHY I HAD SUGGESTED YOU COULD JUST DIRECT THAT WE BRING THAT FORWARD.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO STAGGER THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT THAT'S COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
SO, SO STATE AGAIN FOR EVERYONE WHAT THAT COMPROMISE IS AND IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MONDAY OR, CAUSE WE, AND WE, WE HAVE, WE COME OUT TIMELINES, WE HAVE, WE GOTTA FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO, UH, I HAD JUST SUGGESTED RAISING THE RATE APPROXIMATELY $2 A MONTH.
UM, TO GET TO THE MILLION YOU WOULD NEED ONE POINT, OR EXCUSE ME, $5.50 AND 32 CENTS A MONTH.
SO HOWEVER YOU WANT SPLIT THAT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT IN HALF, WHATEVER THE POINT, IF IT WAS TO DEMONSTRATE WE WERE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY TO CREATE RESOURCES TO BEGIN THE NECESSARY PREP WORK TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME.
SO HOW FAST ROUGHLY IS $2 AND $82 AND 80 CENT A MONTH WOULD CORRECT HALF A MILLION.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH MONEY BASED ON CONVERSATION TONIGHT TO START ENGINEERING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE COULD, UM, UM, SO THAT WE COULD BE IN COST ESTIMATING THOSE, UH, TO MISS KITCHEN'S POINT.
WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BEGIN, UM, ORDERING PIPE, UM, AND IF IT'S FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE, WE HAVE RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THAT PIPE.
SO PART OF THE REASON WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE FAR ENOUGH ALONG IN THE ENGINEERING PROCESS OR WE'RE FAR ENOUGH IN THE AWARD PROCESS THAT WHILE WE PRE-ORDER AND THEY'RE PUTTING OUR STOCK TOGETHER, A CONTRACTOR'S AWARDED AND WE SHIFT THAT ORDER TO THAT CONTRACTOR AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR PAYS THAT.
SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE ORDERING PIPE TODAY AND THEY'RE HOLDING IT FOR THREE YEARS.
WE'RE ORDERING IT JUST A FEW MONTHS IN ADVANCE OF WHEN THE CONTRACT'S GONNA BE AWARDED.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ORDER THAT ON CREDIT WITHOUT HOUSE CREDIT WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY BECAUSE WE'RE SHIFTING THAT OVER TO THE, UH, TO THE CONTRACTOR.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE WHY I PROPOSED THE COMPROMISE THAT I PROPOSED.
BUT AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW WHATEVER DIRECTION THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL WILL PROVIDE STAFF.
SO THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT WE ARE UNWILLING TO DO ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS A POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO RECEIVE FROM COUNSEL.
SO IF THERE ARE, IS YOUR COMPROMISE MARK HALF OF IT TWO 80 A MONTH OR JUST SURE.
JUST ANYTHING TO MOVE FROM WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, BRIAN, COULD YOU ALSO INCLUDE SOME TIME THIS WEEK FOR COUNSEL, UH, THE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST SURE.
ON, UH, WATER AND SEWER RATES, PLEASE.
AND BRIAN, THIS COMPROMISE WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP IN CREATING A FUNDING SOURCE.
AND THE FUNDING SOURCE ULTIMATELY WILL PROBABLY COME FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS.
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YES.AND THAT WOULD GIVE STAFF ENOUGH TIME IN FEBRUARY.
COULD WE GET A COMMITMENT FOR FEBRUARY THAT YOU'VE COME BACK TO US AND, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD THAT STUDY, UH, ANALYZED AND THEY'RE GONNA DO A PRESENTATION, ARE THEY? YES SIR.
OUR IDEA WAS THAT, UM, TRI-CITIES WOULD, UH, BE BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY TO PRESENT THEIR PROJECT WITH CORRESPONDING, UH, RATE LEGISLATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THEN THAT, UH, THE WATER STUDY, UH, WOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL, UM, AT THE FOLLOWING WORK SESSION, THE LAST WORK SESSION.
UH, WE AS STAFF YOU HEARD, UM, JIM MENTION, UH, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT POTENTIAL OPTIONS WE THINK, UH, MIGHT BE, UM, MIGHT BE BEST TO ADDRESS THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK.
SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED, UH, OUR FIRST MEETING WAS DECEMBER 1ST.
SO WE'VE STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER KIND OF OUR PLAN.
WE'RE GONNA GET OUR INFORMATION.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, UM, FOR THE SUBJECT AND THE SIZE OF THIS TOPIC, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE PUSHING TWO HOURS OF DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, UM, AT COUNCIL'S, UH, AT AT COUNCIL'S CONVENIENCE IN EARLY MARCH.
AND THEN WE WOULD COME IN AND, AND MAKE THOSE PRESENTATIONS, UH, OF THAT PLAN.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SINGLE SUBJECT ISSUE AND THEN WE WOULD FOLLOW COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR, AND, AND BRIAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUBJECT, UH, THIS, THIS AGENDA ITEM, BRIAN HAD BROUGHT UP A $4 MILLION NUMBER.
AND THEN YOU HAD ADDED ANOTHER HALF A MILLION? YES, SIR.
AND THAT WAS FOR ENGINEERING? YES SIR.
SO WHAT IS THE HOLD UP WITH ENGINEERING? WHAT, WHY DOES ENGINEERING TAKE SO LONG? ARE, ARE WE CONTRACTING THAT OUT AND IF WE ARE JUST WITH ONE FIRM BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER FIRMS AVAILABLE OR COULD WE, COULD WE MAYBE DOUBLE UP ON THAT AND, AND MAYBE GET MORE PIPE IN THE GROUND AT THE END OF THE CALENDAR HERE? SO WE, WE USE MULTIPLE VENDORS.
UM, ON THE ENGINEERING, I THINK THIS LAST GROUP WAS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? SO YEAH, SO WE DO REACH OUT TO MULTIPLE ENGINEERING FIRMS, UM, AND TRY TO BREAK THAT DOWN INTO, YOU KNOW, HERE'S FIVE SEGMENTS OF OF PIPE.
HOW FAST CAN YOU ENGINEER THESE, BREAK THESE DOWN INTO TO WORKING GROUPS.
AND FOR A LARGE PROJECT, FOUR TO 6 MILLION, WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO CONTRACTORS TOO.
I I IS IT COMPARE COMPARABLE TO A CONTRACTOR THAT'S PUTTING THAT PIPE IN THE GROUND INITIALLY FOR, FOR A, FOR A PLA YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO BE ABLE TO START TO FINISH.
IT'S A LITTLE ROUGHER TO WATER MAIN IN AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAUSE YOU'RE FIGHTING ALL KINDS OF UTILITIES AND THE DESIGN TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT FOUR, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS.
NANCY, BRIAN, DID YOU SAY THAT WHEN TRI-CITIES, TRI COUNTY, DID YOU SAY WHEN TRI COUNTIES COME IN THAT WE WILL BE FACING A RATE HIKE? YES.
WE'LL BE RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL, UM, CONSIDER A, UM, MONTHLY RATE INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY $1 AND, UH, $1 AND 21 CENTS.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, APPROXIMATELY $14 AND 52 CENTS FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AND THIS IS, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE A HUNDRED MILLION, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT'S COMING, UM, AT THAT FACILITY.
SO THAT THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE TRI-CITIES BOARD AND NOW THEY'RE BEGINNING TO ACCUMULATE THE RESOURCES TO, TO FUND THAT PROJECT.
SO THEN THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO SUPPORT THIS INITIAL EFFORT IS ON TOP OF THAT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE TRI-CITIES PROJECT WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, APPROXIMATELY 10% ANNUAL RATE INCREASES FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN TO EIGHT YEARS, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER, UH, THREE TO FOUR YEARS OF 5% RATE INCREASES TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO FUND THE PROJECT AS NECESSARY.
SO BRIAN, THE THING, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT $5 MORE A MONTH.
IS THAT A DOLLAR 20 FOR TRICARE TO START FOR SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AND THEN TWO 20 FOR THE BASE RATE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTING YOUTH COUNCIL STARTED THAT ADDED TO THE WATER BILL.
UM, ON THE UTILITY, ON THE, ON THE SEWER UTILITY FEE.
SO THE SEWER UTILITY FEE, UM, CURRENTLY OUR PROJECTIONS ARE IN 2023.
IT WOULD BE A, UH, A $1 AND 21 CENT PER MONTH INCREASE IN 2024, IT WOULD BE A DOLLAR 39.
IN 2025, IT WOULD BE A DOLLAR 48.
IS THAT ADDITIONAL? YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS ADDITIONAL EVERY YEAR.
AN ADDITIONAL THIS IS, THIS IS THE TRI-CITY? YES, SIR.
THIS IS TRI-CITIES, NOT THE WATER, NOT THE SEWER FUND THAT WE JUST APPROVED FROM A, FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE.
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THE, THE, THE FUNDS THAT, UM, THAT WAS THE, UM, CORRECT.THIS WOULD BE, UH, THAT IS NOT THERE.
SO WAS THAT ANOTHER DOLLAR? UH, CORRECT.
THAT WAS THE STORM WATER FEED.
NOW WASTE, THIS IS GONNA BE A BUCK 20 TO START WITH.
IT'S TWO 80 THAT MARK IS RECOMMENDING.
THAT PUTS US ABOUT FOUR BUCKS PLUS THE DOLLARS.
$5 IS ABOUT $5, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, ON EVERY USER ON AVERAGE, YES.
SO I THINK WHERE WE FIND OURSELF IS WE HAVE, UH, A BUDGET IN FRONT OF US THAT EITHER MAY OR MAY NOT PASS.
MARK HAS OFFERED A COMPROMISE OF, I'M ASSUMING MARK, YOU WOULD BE A YES ON THE BUDGET WITH THE INCREASE, UH, TO START THAT.
IS THAT WHERE YOU, IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE A GUESS AT? YES.
SO, UM, IF WE KNOW WE HAD NO VOTES ON THE BUDGET, THAT WOULD BE FIVE VOTES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A GUESS ON THE BUDGET IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ASK THEN, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO THE COMPROMISE THAT MARK HAS OFFERED FOR A $2 80 INCREASE RATE IN THE WATER FUND OR IN, IN, IN THE WATER BILL, YOU'RE OBJECTING OR NOT OBJECTING? I'M NOT IN FOR THAT COMPROMISE.
I'VE SET MY, MY BAR AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH STAFF'S, UM, MEETING IN FEBRUARY TO TALK ABOUT THE LONG TERM.
I THINK YOU WERE, YOU WERE SO SKIPPED OVER.
AND, AND BRIAN HAD RECOMMENDED THEN AND REEVALUATED WENT OVER WHAT HIS COMPROMISE WAS, UM, THAT MONEY WOULD BE ABLE TO START ENGINEERING AND, AND ACTUALLY GETTING THE PROCESS MOVED FORWARD.
LET'S GET A VOTE AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE BUDGET.
I'M NOT FOR TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THE WATER.
THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, THAT'S THE ADDITION TO THE BUDGET.
I'M ALSO A SUPPORTER FOR THE LONG TERM FEBRUARY'S MEETING.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO, UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA RAISE RATES IN PART OR IN WHOLE TO PAY FOR IT.
AND I'M GOOD WITH COMING TO THAT MEETING AND FIXING THE PROBLEM AND DEVELOPING THAT LONG TERM FIX.
THIS ONE IS, PUT IT IN THE BUDGET AND LET'S GET TO WORK ON FIXING THE WATER MAINS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE INCREASE, INCREASE IN WATER? I'M TALKING TO NINA NOW.
SO YOU'RE KNOWING THE COMPROMISE, YOU JUST WANT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION IN THE BUDGET? YES, DON? SO FAR I HAVEN'T GONE WRONG FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF MR. BELL.
AND, UM, I DO FEEL THIS IS A THREAT TO OUR BOND RATING.
UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE 4.5.
UM, MY VOTE WOULD BE NO FOR THAT.
SO I THINK SO MARK HAS OFFERED A COMPROMISE OF INCREASING THE RATE OF 2 83.
SIR, ARE YOU AGAINST THAT COMPROMISE THIS POINT TOO, AGAINST THE COMPROMISE AS WELL AS THE NO, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE COMPROMISE.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, GOING AGAINST THE ADVICE OF OUR INSTRUCTOR.
I'LL BE CONSIDERING MY VOTE ON MONDAY.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON ON MONDAY.
I'LL BE VOTING ON THE BUDGET, SIR.
SO YES OR NO? THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE CAST IN ON MONDAY.
COULD YOU BE ANY MORE VAGUE? I COULD, BUT IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER HOUR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
MARK HAS OFFERED A COMPROMISE AND UNLESS THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO THAT COMPROMISE, THEN, AND WITHOUT YOU LETTING US KNOW WHETHER YOU'D BE OBJECTING TO THAT IS WHAT'S GONNA TELL US WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON.
SO MAYOR, I BELIEVE MYSELF AND OTHERS HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO THIS.
UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF 4.5 HAS BEEN INITIATED.
UM, I PROVIDED, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT.
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MEMBERS PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THAT.UM, IF, UH, IF IT'S A YES VOTE, IT'S A YES VOTE.
IF IT'S A NO VOTE, IT'S A NO VOTE.
UM, BUT THAT IS, UH, THAT IS WHERE I'M STANDING AT.
UH, SIR, AT, UH, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION.
UH, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TOLD THE RESIDENTS ON THIS DIAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO RAISE THEIR RATES LAST YEAR AND WE WERE GOING TO INITIATE A BOND AND INJECT 3.75 MILLION, AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO AND ADDITIONALLY ADD MORE RATE INCREASES TO THE RESIDENTS WITH MORE PROMISES THAT WEREN'T KEPT.
AND THAT WAS DIRECTLY FROM THE MEETING MINUTES OF DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL CAME UP WITH THAT REVENUE SOURCE OF 300,000, UM, TO IDENTIFY, UM, THE, UM, THE AMOUNT THAT WAS GONNA BE INJECTED OF 3.75.
WE PASSED IT IN MARCH AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
I'M NOT GONNA GO AGAINST MR. BELL.
I WILL PASS THE BUDGET AS PROCEEDED, AND I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF PASSING ON TO THE CUSTOMERS, BUT FOR THE END USER NEEDS TO PAY THE TAB.
UNLESS WE FIND A FUNDING SOURCE, IT'S BETTER.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR MR. OTTO AND SHAW ONLINE LINES IS, MAN, YOU JUST DID MULTIPLE TIMES.
NANCY, WHAT YOU THINK? MM-HMM.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, I JUST, UH, I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO PUT $4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, ASSUMING THAT IT'S COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND TO PUT OUR, OUR BOND RATING AT RISK BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
AND, UM, I JUST, I THINK IT'S POOR FISCAL PLANNING.
UM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THE COMPROMISES NOT GONNA HAVE THE SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF DOING A SOLID LONG TERM PLAN AND, AND PASSING THE BUDGET AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IN LIKE THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE FIRM THAT DID THE STUDY, ASKING THEM OPTIONS FOR FUNDING, UM, DOING SEVERAL WHAT IFS TO GET THE BEST SOLUTION.
THAT'S THE WAY YOU TAKE A STUDY AND USE IT.
YOU DON'T TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE WHEN YOU FIRST GET IT.
SO, UM, I'M FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AND PUTTING A, A SOLID, REALISTIC BUDGET TOGETHER IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
SO I DON'T HEAR THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR, FOR A COMPROMISE AT THIS TIME.
SO, UM, WE WILL JUST HAVE THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED AT MONDAY'S MEETING AND, UH, AND IT'LL GET A FAIR UP OR DOWN VOTE.
MAYOR? YES, I BELIEVE THE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET, AND THAT SHOULD BE VOTED ON FIRST.
SO UNLESS WE HAVE, IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO, FIVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAINST IT, IT'LL GO ON THE AGENDA FOR AN UP OR DOWN VOTE BEFORE THE BUDGET.
THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.
I'LL LET COUNCILMAN OTTO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THAT IS, IS HOW THAT CONVERSATION, OKAY, SO YES.
SO IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO ADDING, ADDING THE, ADDING THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS? SO IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO ADDING THE BUDGET TO THE MEETING AS IT STANDS, THEN THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MEAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND IT.
MARK, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, LENGTHEN THE AGENDA ANY LONGER, BUT I CAME HERE TONIGHT AFTER TALKING TO RICHARD SHAW, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE SERIOUS ABOUT A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO A LONG TERM PROBLEM.
AND I THOUGHT THE 4.5 MILLION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE TELEPHONE INJECTED IN THE 2023 BUDGET WAS GOING TO COME ALONG WITH IT, SOME SORT OF PLAN.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THAT DIALOGUE AND ADDRESS IT AT LEAST A LITTLE.
WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT AT ALL.
IT'S YOUR CITY MANAGER'S COMP, YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER'S COMPROMISE.
BUT, BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S, THERE, THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR THAT EITHER.
WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET SOME VOTES.
WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT MR. BELLS BROUGHT UP ABOUT JUST PUTTING 4.5 MILLION WORTH ADDITIONAL DEBT ON THE BUDGET CITY MANAGER.
IF WE WOULD CONSIDER A MODEST INCREASE ON MONDAY,
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YOU AND STAFF COULD GET BEHIND AND WORK OUT THE DETAILS TO PUT A 4.5 MILLION INCREASE INTO THE BUDGET FOR THIS WATER MAIN PROJECT FOR 2023.AND IF THAT'S NOT CORRECT, THEN I MISS RIGHT.
UH, UM, AND WHAT YOU SAID, OKAY, SO WE ARE NOT, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, UM, MY JOB, JIM'S JOB IS TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR DECISIONS.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING IF YOU'VE ASKED FOR MY OPINION ABOUT WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE DONE, I'VE SHARED THAT WITH YOU.
BUT AS I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, AND SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE REMINDED ME WHILE I GET PAID TO OFFER YOU MY OPINION, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO TAKE IT.
SO, IF COUNSEL IS OKAY, IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL IS OKAY WITH KNOWING THAT THERE IS A RISK TO YOUR BOND RATING TO THE CITY'S BOND RATING, AND YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE THAT RISK TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOUR CONSTITUENCY THAT THIS IS AN, THAT THIS IS A, A VALUE, AND THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU WANT TO DIRECT CITY, THAT CITY STAFF TO FUND, THEN WE WILL DO THAT.
WE WON'T FIGHT YOU ABOUT IT, WE WON'T OBJECT TO IT.
WE'VE OFFERED YOU OUR OPINION AND WE'LL DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR THIS KIND OF PURPOSE AS HOW IT AFFECTS THE CITY IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY AND NOR IS IT MY PLACE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON YOUR BEHALF.
THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND STAFF AND I WILL EXECUTE THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.
OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE YOU THE ADVICE.
SO YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN, AND YOU MAKE THE DECISION WITH THE BEST KNOWLEDGE THAT WE CAN EMPOWER YOU TO HAVE.
SO YES TO YOUR YOUR QUESTION, SIR, IF THAT IS THE WILL OF COUNSEL BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HEARD, THEN WE WILL MAKE IT.
SO YOU, YOU COME UP WITH AN IDEA.
YOU SHARED THAT IDEA, SURELY IT WASN'T JUST TO THROW OUT YET ANOTHER IDEA.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TO MITIGATE THE ISSUE THAT OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, MR. BELL, SAID YES, SIR.
SO IF THAT COMPROMISE, THAT SUGGESTION WAS ADHERED TO, AND IT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA MONDAY, AND IT WAS VOTED ON A MODEST INCREASE THAT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE AND MITIGATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT MR. BELL BROUGHT UP, AND MR. BELL BROUGHT UP A PROBLEM WITH OUR BOND RATING.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THAT.
I, I MEAN, AND FULLY UNDER, FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT I SAID SOMETHING AND THEN BACKED UP.
NO, BUT I THOUGHT TONIGHT INCLUDED A REAL ISSUE WHERE WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS 2023 AND BEYOND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION ON THIS, COUNSEL THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A RATE INCREASE.
I I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT OBJECTION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
UM, AND STAFF IS TELLING US IF THERE'S NOT SOME COMPROMISE, NOT SOME RESOLUTION HERE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR BOND RATING.
IS THAT CORRECT, BRIAN, BEFORE YOU LEAVE? UH, YES, SIR.
I CAN SEE IT IN HIS EYES, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF WE HAVE, UM, IF WE ADD THE RATE INCREASE, IT'S GOING TO RE AS A COMPROMISE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE SEPARATE LEGISLATION MM-HMM.
AND I MEAN, I'M JUST DOING THE MATH.
$2 AND 80 CENTS, WHICH IS WHAT THAT COMPROMISE WAS, RAISES $500,000.
SO I, OF THE 3.2 THAT WERE, THAT WERE SHORT, I PROPOSE THAT WE PUT THAT LEGISLATION UP FOR VOTE ON MONDAY MM-HMM.
WELL, I STILL THINK WE, WE, THERE'S STILL THE ISSUE OF, OKAY, LOOK,
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, A, A PROPOSED BUDGET MM-HMM.
BUT THERE'S BEEN, UM, GLEN STARTED
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THE CONVERSATION AND I DON'T THINK YOU ASKED FOR AN AMENDMENT, YOU JUST SAID THAT WITHOUT IT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE A NO VOTE.I ASKED, I ASKED IF I COULD GET SOME TO JOIN ME FOR, TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
SO THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION, THERE'S EITHER GONNA BE A, THE WAY WE ALWAYS GO ABOUT THIS IS A MAJORITY OBJECTION.
SO IN KEEPING HOW WE DO THAT, GLENN HAS ASKED FOR AN AMENDMENT TO ADD FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THE BUDGET.
WELL, IT'D BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 1.3 AND THE THREE POINT FOR A TOTAL LINE AND THREE, 3.2 MILLION AMENDMENT FROM GENERAL FUND FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE BUDGET.
SO COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE IF THERE IS AN AGREEMENT TO THAT OR OBJECTION TO THAT BY A MAJORITY TO DETERMINE WHAT BUDGET ACTUALLY GOES ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE GLENN HAS AGREED, ED HAS AGREED, AND ANITA HAS AGREED THAT'S THREE.
SO MARK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR POSITION IS NOW, SINCE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COMPROMISE.
MY POSITION IS I'M GOOD WITH 4.5 IF WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT SPEAKS TO BRIAN'S SUGGESTION COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
NO, AN INCREASE IN THE, UH, RANKED.
SO YOU WOULD BE AN OBJECTION TO JUST ADDING NO TO, TO GLENN'S.
GLENN'S AMENDMENT IS JUST FOUR AND A HALF MILLION WITHOUT ANYTHING.
NO, HE'S RECOMMENDING AN AMENDMENT TO THAT LINE ITEM.
I'M RECOMMENDING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL ISSUE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE 4 MILLION AGAINST THE GENERAL FUND, EVEN WITH THE AMENDMENT? THAT WOULD BE SEPARATION 4.5 MILLION? YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH, I'M NOT ONLY OKAY WITH 4 MILLION, I'M OKAY WITH 4.5 MILLION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT IF THERE'S NOT SOME ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT REFLECTS WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT A LONG TERM SOLUTION.
AND IT, AND YOU COULDN'T GET ANY MORE WATER DOWN THAN THAT.
AND IF SOMEBODY COULDN'T SUPPORT THAT, THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST FRUSTRATED AND WANTS YOU STAFF TO REACT TO WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOT WHAT THEY WANTED FOR SO LONG.
THIS SUGGESTION JUST REFLECTS HOW SERIOUS WE ARE IN THAT WE ARE GOING TO ROLL OUR SLEEVES UP AND GET A LONG TERM SOLUTION.
BRIAN ISN'T SUGGESTING, BRIAN IS SUGGESTING PUTTING AN INCREASE OF THE WATER RATES AS AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE MEETING NEXT MONDAY, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND IN CONVERSATION, BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL SCHEDULE IN ADVANCE FOR THE BALANCE TO MATCH THE FOUR AND A HALF.
THAT WAY THAT THAT IS RECORDED AS, UH, AN INTER FUND EFFECTIVELY AND INTER FUND LOAN.
SO THERE'S AN OBLIGATION FOR THE WATER FUND TO PAY THAT MONEY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
ADDITIONALLY, ADVANCES CAN BE PAID, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE WATER FUND TO PAY THE GENERAL FUND BACK.
AND ADDITIONALLY ADVANCES CAN BE MADE, UM, WE'LL CALL THEM ON DEMAND.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE LONG TERM PLAN AND WHAT CAN WE SPEND VERSUS WHAT CAN WE PUT INTO THE GROUND, IF WE ONLY ARE ABLE TO SPEND 3 MILLION TOWARDS MEETING COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVES IN THE BUDGET YEAR, THEN WE WOULD EFFECTIVELY ONLY ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, NOT ALL 2.5.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET, UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THREE AND A HALF MILLION, WE WOULD ADVANCE A MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND USE THE RATES AS WELL.
THAT WAY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY CONSIDER AND RESPOND TO THE INFORMATION FROM THE CONSULTANT.
IN FEBRUARY, YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS PROBLEM SERIOUSLY.
IT'S GEARED TOWARDS A LONG TERM PERMANENT SOLUTION AND EVERYBODY CAN, I BELIEVE, CHECK THE BOX THEY FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE CHECKING TO ADVANCE THE BUDGET.
AND WHAT DOES IT DO, DOES THAT DO TO THE RISKS TO OUR BOND RATING? WELL, ONCE AGAIN, AS, AS BRIAN STATED, IF YOU HAVE IN THE BUDGET IN ADVANCE OF THE DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS UM, 3.2 MILLION, SO I WOULD CHANGE THE BUDGET, UM, PUT IN AN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE WATER FUND OF 3.2 MILLION.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ADVANCE HAS TO HAPPEN.
THERE'S PLENTY OF TIMES I COME TO COUNCIL, LET'S DO AN ADVANCE, UM, OR AN ADVANCE AND A TRANSFER FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IF THAT PROJECT DOESN'T COME TO THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT,
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THEN THAT WHOLE ADVANCE DOESN'T NEED TO BE MADE.SO IN OTHER WORDS, RUSS, RUSS IS TELLING YOU THAT THE, THERE MAY NOT BE A NEED FOR THIS THREE OR $4 MILLION UNTIL 2024.
SO IF BY THEN WE HAVE COME UP WITH A LONG RANGE PLAN, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT ADVANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CHANGE THE BUDGET TO JUST HAVE THAT ADVANCE IN THERE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THAT ADVANCE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF, IF IT COMES UP THAT, HEY, THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH A PROJECT, YOU NEED FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS COME, UH, OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, AND YOU MAKE THAT ADVANCE, THAT COULD YES, HURT.
IT WILL, IT WILL HURT YOUR BOND RATING.
BUT IF IT IS IN ADVANCE AND THAT THE WHOLE POINT IS TO PAY IT BACK, THE LONG RANGE PLAN BUILDS IN MORE REVENUE TO THE WATER FUND.
THE WATER FUND, WHETHER IT'S ONE TIME OR EVENTUALLY OVER, SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS, PAYS THAT 3.2 MILLION BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, THEN THAT WOULD REESTABLISH, HOPEFULLY REESTABLISH OUR BOND RATING.
SO IT MAY DROP AND THEN WE'D, WE'D HOPE TO GET IT BACK UP TO THAT, UH, LEVEL THAT IT WAS AT.
SO THE ADVANCE DOESN'T AFFECT THE BOND RATING, ONLY IF THE ADVANCE IS BEEN, IF IT'S ENACTED, YES, YOU CAN BUDGET.
SO THAT WAY THE BUDGET, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE 4.5 MILLION IN THERE TO INCREASE YOUR WATER FUND BUDGET.
IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE.
SO THE TEMPORARY REVENUE SOURCE COULD BE THE ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE WATER FUND.
WELL, I HOPE YOU WOULD ALERT US, COULD BE ON THE BOOKS.
I HOPE YOU WOULD ALERT US BEFORE, UH, WE DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD PUT OUR BOND RATING AT AT RISK.
WELL, BOTH US WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.
THE ADVANCE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO ACCOUNT BY THE TIME TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT.
AND I KNOW YOU WILL, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AGAIN, THE BOOGIE MAN, HERE WE GO, JIM.
WE GET A, ON OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO INCREASE THE WATER RATE AND DO WHAT YOU AND BRIAN JUST SUGGESTED, AND, UM, PAY THAT MONEY BACK FROM THE WATER TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE BOND RATING'S GOING TO GO DOWN.
HOW OFTEN DOES A BOND RATING COME AROUND? WELL, IT, EVERY TIME YOU ISSUE BONDS OR NOTES OF ANY KIND, THERE IS A RATING DONE BY THE STANDARD AND PORES BECAUSE A COMPANY LIKE STANDARD AND PORES HAS TO COME IN RATE THE, THE ISSUE EVERY TWO YEARS AS TO OUR FINANCIAL CONDITION EVERY TWO YEARS.
IT'S IF YOU ISSUE DEBT EVERY YEAR, THEN THAT RATING COULD CHANGE EVERY YEAR.
IT COULD GO UP, IT COULD GO DOWN EVERY YEAR.
IT'S VERY HARD TO GET IT TO GO BACK UP ONCE IT'S COME DOWN.
IT WENT UP, UM, I BELIEVE IN 2021.
FOR THE CITY, IT JUST WENT UP.
IT IMPROVED, WHICH MEANS IT WAS LOWER IN 2021 OR 2020 TO GO UP, IT HAD TO COME FROM DOWN.
THE BOND RATING'S IMPORTANT AND WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, CERTAINLY, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN LOWER.
SO IF THIS AFFECTS SOMEHOW OUR BOND RATING, WHICH PAYING BACK FROM THE WATER FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE A VERY GOOD IDEA, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO ANYWAY WHEN WE TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THE BOND RATING IS SOUNDING A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS BECAUSE IT JUST WENT BACK UP.
WELL, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH FOR YOU AND, AND I'M REALLY OFFENDED THAT YOU CALL IT THE BOOGEYMAN BECAUSE I, I AM NOT HERE TO SCARE YOU.
I'M HERE AS A PROFESSIONAL FINANCE PERSON TO GIVE YOU, AND, AND YOU'VE TOUTED ME AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND I AM HERE TO GIVE YOU ADVICE, AS BRIAN SAYS, MY ADVICE TO YOU IS DON'T TOUCH THOSE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND DON'T TOUCH THAT GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
BUT IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE TO DO IT, THEN THE CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE, WOULD COME ALONG WITH THAT DECISION.
BRIAN AND I HAVE TALKED BRIEFLY HERE TO COME UP WITH, WITH A COMPROMISE THAT UNTIL WE COME UP WITH THAT LONG RANGE PLAN, IT GETS US A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO DETERMINE, HEY, THIS IS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO AN INTERFUND LOAN.
THAT THE INTENT IS TO PAY THAT BACK.
SO IF THAT LOAN BECOMES REALITY, AND WE DO HAVE TO REDUCE OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCES.
WHEN YOU START GOING OUT FOR BONDS FOR THE 20 MILLION ON THE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, UH, UM, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S 20, BUT WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE, UM, BETWEEN THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND THE CIVIC CENTER, THAT IS GONNA COST US.
AND YOU KNOW, I COULD ASK OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO LOOK AT THE RATES IN THE, IN THE, UH, THE BOND MARKET AND DETERMINE MAYBE A GUESS HIS BEST GUESSTIMATE AS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT COST US VERSUS WHAT OUR RATING IS NOW VERSUS IF WE DROPPED A RATING, UM, AND, AND COME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BY, UH, FEBRUARY WITH THAT KIND OF NUMBER AS TO, UH, WHAT YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT AS YOU CALL IT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOSS THE CITY WOULD TAKE LONG TERM ON THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE NEED TO ISSUE.
SO YEAH, BOND RATING GOES DOWN, OUR INTEREST RATE GOES UP, WE PAY MORE MONEY.
BOOGIEMAN MAYOR, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL
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11 YEARS AGO, MY FIRST YEAR, UH, OUR STAFF AT THAT TIME RECOMMENDED, UH, WATER FUND INCREASES WHEN WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED THEM.ONE SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBER I REMEMBER SAT DOWN AND KILLED IT IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE THE BOND RATING WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF AND THE WATER FUND AND STAFF NEGLECTED TO TELL US AT THE TIME THAT WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING, UH, BOND RATING AND, UH, TAKING A LOAN OUT OF THE WATER FUND BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND HAD A BETTER INTEREST RATE.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCES, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN FIXING THIS PROBLEM.
PUT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, VOTE YES, VOTE NO.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO FIXING THE LONG TERM PLAN.
ANITA, WHEN ARE WE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY BREAK GROUND START? WE'RE DOING THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.
IS IT GOING TO BE ON 2024? IS THAT SOMETHING? 2023, SORRY.
THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2024.
WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT STUFF? BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE WOULD LOOK FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN IN THE FIRST HALF, FIRST TWO THIRDS OF 2023, SELL BONDS AT THE END OF 2023, CONSTRUCT FIRST PART OF 2024.
WHAT WOULD IT DO IF IT DIDN'T START TILL 2024? AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT MONEY UNTIL THEN.
I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M, AS I SAID, MAYBE, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THIS WRONG.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, WE'RE NOT INCREASING TO DO MORE WATER LINES, BUT WE'RE BUILDING A BRAND NEW FANCY BUILDING TO PUT EQUIPMENT IN.
AND I KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE IT, BUT THAT'S HOW MY CITIZENS ARE GONNA LOOK AT THIS.
WE'RE BUILDING A BIG BUILDING.
I'M JUST THINKING IF WE PUSH THAT DOWN, SIX EXTRA MONTHS DID THIS ON THE INCREASE, WE SHOULD HAVE A SOLUTION MAYBE AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR LONG TERM SOLUTION IS WITH WATER.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
ALSO, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, RUSS.
THIS IS KIND OF ON DOWN THE ROAD, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST EACH BREAK? I MEAN, HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND EACH TIME THERE'S A WATER MAIN BREAK? AN AVERAGE, UH, TWO TO $3,000.
CAUSE I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY LESS BREAKS, SO THAT MONEY'S GOING TO BE BACK TO BEING USABLE FOR THAT.
I KNOW THAT'S ON DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BREAKS WHERE WE JUST REPLACED.
SO I KNOW WHAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS OFFERED AS A COMPROMISE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT TO BE ON THE AGENDA ADDED TO THE, OH, UH, CATER YOU MR. BELL.
JUST TO CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME.
YOU WERE FOR THIS AG COMPROMISE THAT YOU AND MR. KOWSKI JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
AS, AS AN ADVANCE FISCAL FISCALLY SOUND.
IN OTHER WORDS, UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A LONG TERM PLAN THAT THE, IF THERE WAS AN ADVANCE, AN ADVANCE MEANS IT'S TO BE PAID BACK.
SO THE WATER FUND, ONCE WE DETERMINE WHAT THE LONG RANGE PLAN IS, ONCE WE GET REVENUES FLOWING INTO THE WATER FUND FROM WHATEVER SOURCE WE DETERMINE THAT TO BE, THEN EVENTUALLY THAT LOAN WOULD BE PAID BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE WOULD GO BACK UP.
THANK YOU, MR. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE, THOUGH.
THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD MINIMIZE THE RISK.
THERE'S STILL RISK THERE, BUT IT, IT HAS THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THAT RISK.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THE COMPROMISE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES.
THIS BETWEEN THE GENTLEMEN, THAT INCLUDES LEGISLATION FOR A RATE INCREASE.
I'M NOT IN YES, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
THE THE ADVANCE STILL COMES WITH LEGISLATION FOR A RATE INCREASE AT MONDAY'S MEETING.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF, SO A 3.2 MILLION ADVANCE.
SO, BUT WE'RE BACK TO, BACK TO THIS.
WHO SUPPORTS THAT AND WHO DOESN'T? I SUPPORT WHAT MR. BELL AND MR. GSKI JUST WORKED OUT IN THE LAST FIVE SECONDS.
NANCY, DO YOU SUPPORT IT? YES, GLENN, I I WOULD CERTAINLY BE, UM, IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT A SMALL RATE INCREASE TO OFFSET THIS DIFFERENCE.
BUT, UM, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE WITH IT BEING A, WHAT WOULD WE SAY, UH, ADVANCE AN
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ADVANCED AND ADVANCE IS, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED THEN TO APPROVE MORE LEGISLATION TO ACTUALLY RELEASE THAT MONEY.IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WANTED TO ACCESS THAT, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION ACCESS.
YOU MEAN TO PAY FOR THE WATER FUND TO PAY BACK THE GENERAL FUND? YEAH.
THERE'D HAVE TO BE A PLAN ON NO, TO PAY BACK OR TO GET THE MONEY.
SO YES, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION TO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE YOU APPROVING PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE YOU PROVIDING DIRECTION FOR US TO INCUR COSTS IN THAT WAY? IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE EITHER WAY.
MARK, IS IT THE SAME THE OTHER WAY? WOULD WE HAVE TO PASS LEGISLATION TO SPEND MONEY IF WE DID IT THE ORIGINAL WAY WE TALK? JUST ADD 4.5 MILLION TO THE BUDGET.
SO YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COMPROMISE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE WATER MAINS WOULD GO FROM 1.3 MILLION IN THE BUDGET TO 4.5 MILLION.
THEN THE, THE REVENUE THAT'S NEEDED TO GET TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE, A 3.2 WOULD BE IN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO GENERAL FUND EXPENSES WOULD GROW BY 3.2 MILLION.
AND THE, UH, THE REVENUE OF COURSE, IN THE WATER FUND WOULD BE ALSO THAT 3.2 MILLION TO MATCH THE INCREASE IN EXPENSES.
SO THE WATER FUND, AS IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET TONIGHT, IT WOULD, THE WA THE REVENUES AND THE EXPENSES WOULD BOTH RAISE BY 3.2 MILLION.
BUT, BUT EITHER WAY, IF WE DID IT THIS WAY, YOU JUST SUGGESTED WE STILL HAVE TO PASS LEGISLATION TO AUTHORIZE YOU TO DO A CONTRACT USING THAT MONEY.
RUSS WOULD BRING YOU A CONTRACT AT THE TIME, WHETHER THAT'S OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, EITHER WAY, IF WE PUT IT IN RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST IN THE BUDGET.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN ON A PURCHASE ORDER, IT'S JUST IN THE BUDGET.
SO THINK OF THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS YOU HAVE A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT THAT YOU CAN DRAW ON.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME CASH IN YOUR, YOU GOT SOME CASH IN YOUR POCKET, OR YOU GOT SOME MONEY IN THE PIGGY BANK.
THAT'S THE WATER RATES, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MONEY THAT THE WATER RATE'S RAISING.
SO YOU SPEND SOME OF IT, YOU SPEND SOME MORE OF IT.
THE MY POCKET'S EMPTY, THE CHECKBOOK'S EMPTY.
YOU CALL THE BANK AND YOU MAKE THE DRAW ON THE HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT.
THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
SO THE BUDGET WOULD REFLECT THE ABILITY TO SPEND UP TO $4.5 MILLION.
WE WOULD SPEND THROUGH WHATEVER IS GENERATED THROUGH THE WATER FUND FIRST THROUGH THE RATE INCREASE.
AND IF ENGINEERING IS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXECUTE WITHIN 2023, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE THAN JUST WHAT THE, THE RATES, YOU KNOW, GENERATE, YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT PROJECT.
AND BY APPROVING THAT PROJECT, THE BALANCE WOULD COME FROM THE ADVANCE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING YOU PUT INTO THE BUDGET.
SO THE MONEY IS THERE ON DEMAND.
I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD DOING IT IN THAT FASHION REQUIRE ANY MORE LEGISLATION THAN IF WE JUST PUMP THE MONEY FROM GENERAL FUND INTO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM TO MAKE THE MONEY AVAILABLE? NO, YOU WOULD JUST PASS THE, YOU WOULD JUST PASS THAT LEGISLATION.
BUT I MEAN, IN THE OTHER WAY, WOULD WE HAVE TO DO THAT EACH? WELL YOU USE VOCH AS AN EXAMPLE AND TAKING THAT POOL EVERY TIME.
SO YOU GOTTA GO TO THE BANK EVERY SINGLE TIME WHERE IF, IF I JUST TOOK OUT A LOAN FOR THE FULL AMOUNT INSTEAD OF A HELOCK, I DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BANK EVERY TIME.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BANK EVERY TIME I'VE CREDIT'S ALREADY THERE? YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ONE LINE, THEY APPROVE A MILLION DOLLAR LINE OF CREDIT.
YOU DON'T GOTTA GO BACK EACH TIME, BUT TO GO GET THE MONEY, YOU GOTTA GET THE MONEY.
BUT, BUT YOU DON'T GOTTA GET APPROVAL FOR THE MONEY.
RIGHT? IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
IT'S ALREADY, YEAH, THAT, THAT ADVANCE COVERS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IN 2023.
IF IT IS POTENTIALLY AS HIGH AS 4.5 MILLION, THAT ONLY COVERS 23.
MY CONCERN IS SIMPLY JUST, UM, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING STAFF COME TO US TWO TIMES WITH THIS NEW COMPROMISE PLAN, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FIVE TIMES AND GET VOTES.
THAT IS A, IS THAT A CONCERN? AND I'M ONE BITTEN TWICE SHY ON GONNA GET STUFF BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PROMISED A LOT OF GONNA GET STUFF IN THE PAST THAT I NEVER GOT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING BRUTALLY HONEST HERE.
I'VE BEEN DUPED AND I DON'T LIKE THAT FEELING AND I DON'T WANNA EXPERIENCE IT AGAIN.
SO BY SETTING UP THAT ADVANCE, IT JUST MEANS THAT AS THE PROJECT COMES IN, WE, I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, I NEED TO MOVE SOME MORE MONEY FROM GENERAL FUND TO WATER FUND.
THAT'S SETTING THE, THE HIGH THRESHOLD AS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SETTING 3.2 MILLION, SO THAT GIVES A TOTAL DOLLAR TO USE ON THAT PROJECT.
A 4.5, THAT MEANS WHETHER WE USE 1 MILLION OF IT, 2 MILLION OF IT, OR 3 MILLION OF IT, 3.2 MILLION OF IT, IT WOULD JUST BE USED AS IS NEEDED BY WHATEVER PROJECT RUSS BRINGS TO YOU TO APPROVE.
SO WHETHER YOU MOVE THE MONEY ALL IN THERE ON A TRANSFER OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU PUT THE MONEY IN THERE ON IN ADVANCE, IN ORDER FOR US TO SPEND THAT MONEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE YOU APPROVE LEGISLATION TO
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AWARD A PROJECT TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO DO WHAT.SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE STILL GOING TO REQUIRE YOUR APPROVAL WHEN YOU TRANSFER THE MONEY, YOU MOVE IT ALL UP FRONT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND IT SITS THERE.
THE ADVANCE, YOU JUST ACCESS IT WHEN YOU NEED IT.
AND, BUT JUST TAKING IT DOWN TO THIS BASIC, MY BASIC QUESTION, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL STEPS INVOLVED, OR IS IT THE SAME ON PAPER OTHER THAN APPROVING THE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD BRING IN, HIRE THIS ENGINEER AWARD, THIS CONTRACT THAT ENGINEER? CORRECT.
THOSE ARE THE SAME BASIC, THE MONEY'S THERE.
ANITA, I'M GOOD WITH THAT PLAN.
UM, THE COMPROMISE, I JUST ASKED THAT RUSS BEFORE CHRISTMAS HITS, START ORDERING PIPE.
SO WE START GETTING THIS HERE, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT UPFRONT WITH OUR CREDIT.
LET'S GET THIS MOVING, LET'S GET IT GOING.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE NEXT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AND GOING, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE LINE YET IN THE, IN THE GROUND YET.
I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND DO THIS.
SO LET'S GET THIS PIPE ORDERED,
AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COMPROMISE THAT HAS BEEN PUT OUT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS AWARD FOR WOULD BE FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD? THE MONEY IS THERE AND IF WE HAVE TO USE IT, THE 4.5 MILLION, WHICH WE ARE SAYING THAT IT IS THERE, AND IF THAT MEANS THAT OUR CREDIT LINE GOES DOWN, THAT'S THE RISK WE ARE TAKING.
BUT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, IT'S LIKE A LINE OF CREDIT THAT IT'S 4.5 MILLION WILL BE IN THE WATER FUND TO USE IF WE COME UP WITH A PLAN, IS, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING, IF WE COME UP WITH A PLAN TO START GENERATING REVENUE, WE DON'T NEED, SAY, SAY 3 MILLION OF IT, WE ONLY USE 0.2 MILLION.
ODDS ARE OUR CREDIT LINE'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SOLUTION THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO GET THIS PROBLEM SOLVED LONG TERM.
SO AGAIN, MS. KITCHEN, IS THAT, IS THAT JIM BELL? IS SHE CORRECT? THAT'S EXACTLY A VERY GOOD, UH, UM, UM, MS KITCHEN, IS THAT A PLAN YOU CAN SUPPORT ON MONDAY? THAT IS A PLAN.
I CAN, MARY, THAT IS A, THAT IS A SUPPORT, UH, PLAN, UH, FOR ME ON MONDAY.
MR. CAMPBELL, YOU IN ON THAT PLAN? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, DOES THAT INCLUDE LEGISLATION WITH THE RATE INCREASE? YES.
THIS KITCHEN, DOES THAT INCLUDE RATE INCREASE? YES.
[ City Renewal Levy - Ballot Measure * Ordinance]
THREE OH, CITY RENEWAL LEVY, UH, THE BALLOT MEASURE, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST, UH, WE'RE PRESENTING TWO ITEMS. UH, FIRST IS, UH, AN ORDINANCE, THIS ORDINANCE, UM, MS. COUNSEL'S AUTHORIZATION, UH, TO PUT THE, UH, THE LEVEE ON THE BALLOT, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE LEVEE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, UH, WA UH, THE SECOND READING, UH, EXCUSE ME, WAIVE THE PERIOD BETWEEN, UH, SECOND READINGS AND ADOPT THIS, UH, ON MONDAY.
BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO SO, UM, WITHOUT IT BEING AN EMERGENCY, SO THAT THERE IS THE 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD ON THAT.
AND THAT'S TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, UH, IN TIME FOR IT TO BE CERTIFIED TO THE MAY BALLOT.
SO, UH, I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
AND THEN THE, UH, RESOLUTION, UM, IS, UH, THE LEGISLATION NECESSARY TO DIRECT, UH, THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO ACTUALLY PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT.
SO THE ORDINANCE IS COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE THIS ITEM FORWARD, AND THEN THE RESOLUTION DIRECTS THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO, UH, TO PLACE THAT, UH, ON THE MAY, UH, PRIMARY, UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS BROAD FORTH PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING, UH, THIS MEASURE ONTO MONDAY? ITEM THREE
[ 2023 Law Director Contract]
P IS THE 2023 LAW DIRECTOR OF CONTRACT.UM, THIS, UH, IS THE ANNUAL LEGISLATION TO PROVE THE 2000 OR THE 2023 LAW DIRECTOR CONTRACT.
THIS CONTRACT REPLACES JAIL MCDONALD WITH MR. DAVID MONTGOMERY.
IT RETAINS THE 2022 RATES AND TERMS FOR THE PROSECUTOR AND OTHER LEGAL SERVICES.
AND THIS, UH, THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS GOOD THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST.
SO WE ASK THIS TO BE APPROVED TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACED BY JANUARY 1ST, 2023.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING A LAW CONTRACT? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY, THE NEXT IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH
[ 2023 First Suburbs Consortium/MVRPC Appointments]
IS A 2023 FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM, AND IN THE RPC APPOINTMENT, KAREN.UM, EACH YEAR COUNCIL APPOINTS CITY REPRESENTATIVES TO
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THOSE TWO BODIES.UM, THE FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM, THE CITY APPOINTS TWO COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES, AND ONE ALTERNATE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.
CURRENTLY, MRS. KITCHEN IS, UM, ONE REPRESENTATIVE.
THE SECOND SPOT IS VACANT, AND MR. SHAWS THE ALTERNATE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE TIME TO DISCUSS AND SEE WHO WANTS THE POSITIONS AGAIN THIS YEAR.
DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE, RICHARD? UH, YEAH.
UH, I WILL, UH, I WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CONTINUE, UH, ON THAT AS I HAVE, I THINK EVERY YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED.
SHE HAS TO BE THE PRIMARY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND, UH, I'LL, UH, LET MISS KITCHEN EXPLAIN WHY I GOT ELECTED TO THE BOARD.
SO I AM AT THE, AT LARGE FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR, UM, FOR FIRST YEAR.
SO ANITA AND THEN ANY RICHARD.
SO YOU'LL, IS, IT'S NOT AN ALTERNATE, IT'S JUST THE ALTERNATE, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED OR, WELL, I'M THE SECONDARY PRIMARY GUY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY CALL IT.
WELL, WE HAVE TWO, TWO PROBABLY ONE ALTERNATE.
YEAH, WE, I PEOPLE LAST YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE PRIMARY BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME OBLIGATIONS.
YEAH, IT'S TWO POSITIONS AND THEN AN ALTERNATE.
SO THERE CAN BE THREE OF US AND IF NEED BE, BUT I DON, RICHARD.
RICHARD, DO YOU WANNA BE ALTERNATE OR DO YOU WANNA BE A PRIMARY OR I NEED ANOTHER ALTERNATE.
I'M GONNA BE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ME AT THE, IN THE SECOND.
SO WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE ANOTHER POSITION.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A POSITION THEN FOR AN ALTERNATE.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO BE THE ALTERNATE OR NOBODY WANTS IT? I, I'LL DO, I'LL BE THE ALTERNATE.
ANY OBJECTION TO ANITA AS THE PRIMARY, RICHARD AS THE PRIMARY AND GLEN IS THE ALTERNATE.
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? PERFECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ONE.
[ Board and Commission Appointments * Board of Zoning Appeals - Reappointment]
WHICH IS, IT'S TWO PARTS.YEAH, NANCY HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR A WHILE.
NANCY, DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE AS THE NVR P? ABSOLUTELY.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT ONE OR IS IT JUST, IS THERE AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT? WAS DON, DON, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN REMAINING A SECONDARY ON NVR? P? WELL, OF COURSE,
I ALMOST THOUGHT YOU WAS CONSIDERING THAT FOR THE OBJECTION OF NANCY AND DON CONTINUING WITH NBR RRP C AS IN 2022.
NEXT IS ITEM THREE R, BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
OKAY, SO THIS IS TO REAPPOINT SCOTT DAVIS INTO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A TERM ENDING JANUARY 31ST, 2028.
HE DID NOT REQUIRE A BACKGROUND CHECK AS, UM, HIS RECENT NATURE OF HIS APPOINTMENT TO THIS POSITION.
SO JUST TO PROVE HIM TO CARRY ON ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, FOR THAT REAPPOINTMENT FOR MR. DAVE.
NOS, UH, OH, YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE EXTRA SHOTS.
SO
WE HAVE A JOINT VENTURE, UH, FOR A VENDOR LIMIT.
UH, SO, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE COULD, UH, COVER ALL OF OUR APPROPRIATE RESPONSIBILITIES WITH, UH, THE TRANSITION AND STAFF.
UM, UH, WE WORK WITH JOINT VENTURE AND MARKETING FIRM, SO WE ASKED THEM TO HELP US OUT IN, IN AN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THAT PUSHED US RIGHT OVER THE, UH, THE VENDOR LIMIT OF 25,000.
SO I THINK, UH, WE WERE JUST OVER A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT COUNCIL APPROVE, UH, THE WAIVER TONIGHT, OR EXCUSE ME, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE WAIVER ON MONDAY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, UH, APPROPRIATELY COMPENSATE, UH, JOINT VENTURE FOR, UH, THEIR ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE THIS YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS? OKAY, MOVE THAT ON.
AND ITEM THREE T, WHICH IS A, THE MORAL OBLIGATION CLAIM, UH, THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT ASSISTED A NEIGHBORING AGENCY, UH, IN A VEHICLE PURSUIT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, STOP STICKS, UH, ARE RATHER INDISCRIMINATE.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR STOP STICKS, UM, IMPACTED SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOT, UH, SUBJECT OF THE, UH, OF THE COMPLAINT.
AND SO, UH, WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO, UH, TO PUT SOME, UH, TIRES BACK ON THAT INDIVIDUAL'S CAR.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ADOPT THIS MEASURE ON MONDAY, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MEET THAT MORAL OBLIGATION.
I SEE A COMMERCIAL, IF YOU BUY TWO TIRES, YOU CAN BUMP UP A COUPLE FREE
UH, THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, BUT I HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THERE IS A NEED FOR A QUICK EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
UM, WE WOULD NEED THAT MOTION READ.
SO DO YOU HAVE THE, IT'S A MOTION TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES AND TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BED.
IS THERE A MOTION? OKAY, MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAVE TO LEAVE AND PICK MY WIFE UP AT THE AIRPORT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW? OKAY.
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EXECUTIVE SESSION IS REQUIRED THOUGH BY A SUPER MAJORITY OF VOTES, WHICH DOES TAKE SIX.KAREN, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE, SIR.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE.
AND EXECUTIVE SESSION DOES, UH, MOTION THIS PAST EIGHT TO ZERO? UH, THIS TIME MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UPON COMPLETION WILL COME OUT AND NOTIFY ANYONE IF ANY ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN.
WE ARE MOVING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION CHAIR.
IT'S 9 53
AND AT 9 54 THIS COUNCIL WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.