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THE MEETING OF[ AGENDA CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road November 3, 2022 7:00 P.M. ]
THE HUB HEIGHTS CULTURAL DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 7:06 PM AND WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL.AND MADAME CHAIR, I DO NEED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WILL NEED TO LEAVE BY EIGHT 30.
WE'LL BE DONE ABOUT 10 TONIGHT.
UH, LET'S MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES? MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES.
IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
WE'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES AS THEY'RE WRITTEN FOR.
THAT WAS SEPTEMBER 1ST MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO, I'M SORRY.
ONE, ARE WE ADOPTING TWO SETS OF MINUTES? YES.
SO I SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPECIFIC ON MOTION.
BECAUSE WE, I SHOULD HAVE JUST CALLED BOTH OF THEM.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, YOU PROBABLY MOVE.
AND SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
YOU WILL ADOPT THE MINUTES AS READ FOR JULY AS WRITTEN FOR JULY 7TH.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR MEETING FOR NOVEMBER THE THIRD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HAVE A MEETING LAST MONTH BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE A FORUM, SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE ALL OF YOUR FACES.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE EVERYONE'S FACES BACK AGAIN.
SO WE HAVE A GUEST WITH US TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, EVA NEWBY.
THANK YOU MISS EVA NEWBY, WELCOME TO THE MEETING.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE, OKAY.
MOVE TO OUR OLD BUSINESS AND DISCUSS THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.
MR. ERIC STEVENS HAS AN UPDATE ON THAT.
MADAME CHAIR, CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA QUICKLY BEFORE WE MOVE ANY FURTHER? UM, JUST UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
I WANNA ADD, UM, TWO QUICK TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
UM, ONE IS, UM, A RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING, A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD IN DECEMBER.
I WOULD LIKE TO START THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT, UM, BEFORE FORMALIZING THAT RECOMMENDATION.
WHEN IN REGARDS, IN REGARDS TO, UM, THIS COMMISSION'S CELEBRATION OR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HERITAGE MONTH EVENTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND OF WHICH, UM, IS ANOTHER FORMAL RECOMMENDATION I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD IN DECEMBER, AND THAT IS REGARDING, UM, HAVING FORMS AND OUR WEBSITE, AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL'S WEBSITE AVAILABLE FOR TRANSLATION, UM, IN AS MANY LANGUAGES AS POSSIBLE.
SO I JUST HAVE SOME QUICK, UM, THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TONIGHT, UM, BEFORE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH FORMALIZING THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU MS. PURPOSE TO, UM, WE HAVE A PROMOTION TO MOVE TO AMEND THE MINUTES TO INCLUDE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON THE WEBSITE TRANSLATION FORMS. AND, SORRY, MISS PURPOSE, THE FIRST THING WAS, UM, I'M LOSING MY BRAIN TODAY TOO.
UM, THE COMMISSION'S ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HERITAGE MONTH EVENTS, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF HERITAGE MONTH EVENTS.
HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MINUTES.
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MEAN, AMEND THE, MY BRAIN IS THE AGENDA.UM, MADAME CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA AMENDMENTS, BOTH AMENDMENTS TO INCLUDE THE CELEBRATION OF HERITAGE MONTH EVENTS AND TO INCLUDE, UM, UPDATED INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE CULTURE DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION WEBSITE, NO CITY AND SCHOOL WEBSITES, CITY, TO INCLUDE THE AVAILABILITY TO OFFER THE WEBSITES THEMSELVES IN OTHER LANGUAGES AS WELL AS ALL FORMS FOR USE.
WELL, THE TWO RECOMMENDED AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU.
INITIALLY STATED,
AND OPEN DISCUSSIONS, ACTUALLY THREE THINGS, THINGS, OKAY.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE WILL AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE THE, NOT THE HERITAGE EVENTS IN FORMS FOR THE WEBSITE AND OPEN DISCUSSION.
AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE THOSE THREE ITEMS. THANK YOU.
OKAY, THANK YOU MS. PER, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
AND I HAVE TARA ASSIST ME AS, AS NEEDED.
UH, SO AS YOU ALL, UM, ARE AWARE, THE IT, THE REFORM OR THE REFORM COMMITTEE, I GUESS, UM, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE, WITH THE CITY OVER THE LAST, I GUESS, COUPLE OF MONTHS MEETING WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, BRIAN, UM, MS. KATIE KNISELY, AND, UH, AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO SIT DOWN AND FORMALIZE A FRAMEWORK FOR THE CCRP.
SO WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A COPY OF THE, OF THE PROCESS.
BASICALLY, UH, I LAID OUT A FLOW CHART TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD WORK.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, UH, TO THIS POINT, AND IT'S FOR THE MOST PART, FIRMED UP, DISTILLS SOME MORE DETAILS THAT, UM, WE NEED TO IZE, IF YOU WILL.
BUT, UM, AND EXCUSE SOME OF THE NOTES I HAVE ON HERE, CUZ THERE ARE SOME UPDATES I NEED TO INCORPORATE IN THE, IN THE FLOW CHART.
SO, BUT THE WAY THIS PROCESS WOULD WORK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A CITIZEN THAT, UH, DECIDES TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT COMPLAINT WOULD COME IN, I GUESS IT WOULD, I GUESS THEY WOULD FILE THAT COMPLAINT WITH THE, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WOULD IN TURN, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD DO AN INTERNAL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLOCK HERE, AT THE UPPER LEFT TO THE UPPER LEFT INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO THEY'LL DO AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION OF THE PARTICULAR COMPLAINT, AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE DIAMOND, THE DIAMOND SAYS, IS THE COMPLAINT SUSTAINED? IF IT IS SUSTAINED, THEN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL, WILL BASICALLY ISSUE WHATEVER DISCIPLINE IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UM, NOT SUSTAINED, BASICALLY THE, UH, THERE'LL BE A LETTER THAT WILL BE SENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL GO TO THE PERSON THAT FILES THE COMPLAINT.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE PERSON THAT GETS THE LETTER, IT'LL PRETTY MUCH SAY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE, WITH THE FINDINGS, OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR, YOUR, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED, YOU CAN THEN IN TURN YOU HAVE 45 DAYS TO SUBMIT, UM, BASICALLY A, A LETTER OR A, OR I'M SORRY, A REQUEST TO TAKE THIS TO THE CCRB.
AND SO, UM, AND OF COURSE IF THEY, THEY DON'T, IT'S DONE RIGHT, SO YOU SEE COMPLETE.
BUT IF THEY, IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF WILLING TO FILE WITH THE CCRB, THERE, WILL, THEY HAVE 45 DAYS TO DO THAT.
AND THAT LETTER WILL COME INTO THE, IT'LL COME TO THE, I GUESS THE, THE CITY, I GUESS WE HAD THE CLERK COUNCIL, BUT IT, KATIE, DID WE TALK ABOUT AS THE CLERK COUNCIL, DOES IT COME TO THE STAFF LIAISON? I'M SORRY, WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT THE STAFF LIAISON.
SO, SO THE STAFF, SO OUR LIAISON WILL GET THAT, THAT REQUEST.
AND THEY HAVE, I GUESS A COUPLE OF WAYS THEY CAN, THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR REQUEST VIA, I BELIEVE THE WEBSITE.
I THINK WE'VE SET IT UP TO WHERE, UM, AND WE'LL POINT
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TO THAT IN THE LETTER.YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND FILE YOUR COMPLAINT WOULD BE A FILLABLE FORM WHERE THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE THEIR, UH, THEIR COMPLAINT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, ONCE IT COMES INTO THESE, UH, INTO THE, ONCE IT COMES TO THE STAFF LIAISON, UM, IT WILL THEN BE PASSED ON TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, AND THE LAW DIRECTOR WILL DO A, A QUICK REVIEW.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT HE WILL SUBMIT, UM, I GUESS HIS FINDINGS ALONG WITH THE COMPLAINT, THAT INFORMATION WILL COME TO THE CCRB.
AND SO THE LAW DIRECTOR HAS, OR STAFF LIAISONS LAW DIRECTOR, HAS ABOUT 10 DAYS TO DO THEIR REVIEW BEFORE IT COMES TO THE CCRB.
ONCE THE CCRB, UH, RECEIVES THE COMPLAINT, UM, THEY'LL ESSENTIALLY HAVE UP TO 15 DAYS TO REVIEW THE COMPLAINT AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WARRANTS, UM, US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HEARING OR US DECIDING.
UM, WE AGREE WITH WHATEVER THE FINDINGS, UM, THAT WERE, UH, PROVIDED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ME, UM, ASSUMING THAT WE THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, OR ME, I'M SORRY, NOT WE, BUT THE CCRB DETERMINES THAT A HEARING IS WARRANTED.
UM, WE THEN SEND A LETTER OUT TO THE PLAINTIFF, BASICALLY NOTIFYING THEM VIA LETTER.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT WITHIN 10 DAYS, UH, LETTING 'EM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE A HEARING AND WE'LL, AND THAT HEARING WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR WITHIN THE 30 DAY, 30 DAY PERIOD AFTER NOTIFICATION.
AND EITHER WAY, THAT PERSON WILL GET A LETTER, RIGHT.
UM, THEY WILL GET A LETTER WITHIN THOSE, UH, 10 DAYS.
AND THEN ONCE WE HU SEE WHEN WE HAD THE HEARING, ESSENTIALLY AS A PART OF THAT HEARING, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, I GUESS WON'T BE ABLE TO SUBPOENA.
UM, ONLY, I GUESS THE ONLY FOLKS THAT WE CAN ASK TO COME IN FOR AN INTERVIEW WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY THE PERSON FILING A COMPLAINT OR ON ANYONE ELSE THEY HAVE AS WITNESSES.
THEY CAN COME IN AND, UM, AND BE A PART OF THAT HEARING.
UM, BUT THEN ONCE THAT'S, ONCE THAT'S OVER, THEN THE CCRB WILL COME UP WITH THIS, COME UP WITH ITS LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS.
SO, AND C I B DOESN'T HAVE ANY POWER TO, TO, UM, IF YOU WILL, ISSUE DISCIPLINE, RIGHT? IT'S ONLY, AGAIN, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, WHATEVER THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
UH, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD DEVELOP THOSE AND THEN, UH, THEY WOULD PASS THOSE ON TO THE, I THINK IT WOULD COME TO THE CITY, UH, FOR THEM TO REVIEW.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THERE WILL BE A LETTER THAT GOES OUT TO THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL WHO FILED A COMPLAINT, UM, STATING WHAT THE, WHAT THE POSITION IS OR WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE.
SO IN A SENSE, THAT'S THE, THE PROCESS, UH, THAT WE'VE LAID OUT.
AND THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.
BUT I GUESS AT THIS POINT, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF OPEN IT UP TO SEE IF, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN, TARA, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING THAT I MISSED? NO, RIGHT NOW.
NO, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END.
UM, THE NEXT COUPLE STEPS ARE, UM, THE DRAFTING OF THE POLICY TO SUPPORT THIS.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE READY TO, UM, FINALIZE SOME THINGS AND TAKE IT TO, UM, COUNCIL FOR KIND OF FINAL APPROVAL OF THE, THE WAY WE ARE IMAGINING THINGS TO WORK, RIGHT? YEAH.
CAUSE THE PLAN WAS BRING IT TO THE, OBVIOUSLY TO THIS BOARD OR TO THIS COMMISSION, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND CONCUR ON WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
AND ASSUMING WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT POINT, IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR IT TO BE PRESENTED AND, UM, OCCURRED ON POLICIES OVERALL.
YOU, UH, JUST
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THE OF RIGHT.SO THOSE TWO I CHECK YOU GOT IT.
AND WHEN THEY MAKE THE, THE DECISION ON THE, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL POPULATE THAT BOARD, RIGHT? THAT WILL COME AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, I THINK, AT LEAST INITIALLY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, IF YOU WILL, THE OVERALL PROCESS, THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROCESS.
BUT YEAH, SO THE CITY DOES NEED TO DOC AND THEN DOCUMENT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, GET THAT ALL LAID OUT.
SO, SO ULTIMATELY, WHO WILL BE SELECTING THE MEMBERS FOR THIS BOARD? SO I, I, SO I THINK THE CITY WILL, AT THIS POINT, THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY THE REFORM COMMITTEE.
I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS PROCESS AS A BOARD.
THIS THE POLICY AND THE PROCESS, CORRECT? YES.
I WILL BE VOTING NO ON THIS PROCESS, NOT BECAUSE I DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL THE HARD WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT WITH THE CITY CONTROLLING OR HAVING MORE SAY SO OVER THIS BOARD, THAT IT STILL DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THE FUNCTION AS AN EXTERNAL REVIEW BOARD.
SO I'M GONNA VOTE NO, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LOVE WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS PER OUR LEGISLATION.
SO ARE YOU CONCERNED THERE'S SOME, THERE WOULD BE SOME BIASING WITH THINGS ABSOLUTELY.
I, I JUST THINK THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THESE SYSTEMIC ISSUES ALL THE TIME.
I STILL SEE WHERE THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT, GIVEN THIS PROCESS AND THIS CITY TAKING MORE OWNERSHIP OVER THE CCRB.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T AGREE, I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
UM, BUT I THINK WHEN WE WERE GOING IN THE DIRECTION TALKING ABOUT AN OUTSIDE ENTITY, A THIRD PARTY HAVING MORE REGULATION OVER THAT BOARD, I THINK THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GOING TO MINIMIZE OR MITIGATE SOME OF THAT BIAS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE.
SO, AS I SAID, I SUPPORT THIS, BUT AS FAR AS IT BEING A CITY BOARD, I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT.
WELL, I DON'T, I JUST WANNA SAY THE, CAUSE I I AGREE WITH YOU.
CONCERN WHEN, TO THE NINE PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT SHE, RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO I THINK WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED RIGHT, THE, THE MAKEUP OF THAT BOARD, RIGHT? SO THE, THE BOARD WOULD CON THE BOARD WOULD CONSIST OF, I DON'T HAVE IT OUT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT ONCE THERE WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NAACP, IT WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE, FROM THIS CURRENT BOARD, THERE WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UM, FROM THIS, FROM THIS, WELL, YEAH, FROM THE CITY.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE LARGEST MINORITY.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, THEY'RE NOT A, WHAT YOU CALL A VOTING MEMBER.
THEY'RE EX EX, RIGHT? SO I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE, RIGHT? SO, UM, SO YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE LARGEST MINORITY COMMUNITY IN THE CITY, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT'S FROM THE SECOND LARGEST MINORITY IN THE CITY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S TWO, AGAIN, NAACP CCR, I MEAN, SORRY, THIS CURRENT COMMISSION.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A, SOMEONE WHO'S A, A FORMER POLICE OFFICER WHO'S RETIRED, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ATTORNEY FROM, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER THEY'RE FROM HUB OR, OR WHEREVER, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA GET SOMEONE THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY, BUT IF NOT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT SOMEONE WITH A LAW BACKGROUND.
SO I THINK THE INDEPENDENCE, THE INDEPENDENCE IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY MAY BE INVOLVED IN INTERVIEWING THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THAT'S WHERE THEIR, I GUESS THEIR AUTHORITY IS TO DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT THESE INDIVIDUALS TO REPRESENT.
BUT, UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE, IN MY OPINION, THE, UH, THE, IN THE INDEPENDENT IN DEPEND DEPENDENCY, IF YOU WILL, BUT, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT, UH, ENSURING THAT THERE'S A MINIMIZATION OF ANY BIASING
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THAT YOU MIGHT BE CONCERNED, UH, WITH.SO, AND PLUS, I THINK IF YOU, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, HEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INDEPENDENT.
UH, MY CONCERN THERE IS THAT THIS PROCESS MAY NEVER GET OFF THE GROUND IF WE DO THAT.
IF WE TRY TO TURN THIS OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT, IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN.
I GET, I MEAN, I GET WHO'S GONNA HAVE THE PASSION AND THE ENERGY THAT, THAT WE PUT INTO MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
SO I JUST WANTED MY VOICE TO BE HEARD.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, RHONDA, THAT YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH BIAS MAYBE IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.
AND, UM, MUCH LIKE OUR LEGISLATION HAS SORT OF BEEN TWISTED AND TURNED INTO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T INITIALLY BROUGHT ON BOARD TO DO.
I DON'T WANT THE CRB BECAUSE IT IS BEING A CITY ON BOARD TO TURN INTO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT WAS MEANT TO DO.
IT ALL HAS TO GO BACK TO OUR LEGISLATION, AND WE WERE CREATED TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACE RACISM.
AND SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME EVERYTHING, BUT THAT, THAT'S BEEN MY, THAT'S BEEN MY CONCERN.
AND SO I THINK WHEN IT IS A CITY RUN BOARD, THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE OUTCOMES OF THE BOARD.
AND SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME THAT WE'VE WORKED TOO HARD, PUT TOO MUCH INTO THIS FOR THIS JUST TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE CITY CONTROLS.
AND AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, THE ONLY CONTROL I SEE IS, UH, IS WITH REGARDS TO WHO THEY BRING ON BOARD TO, UH, MAKE UP THE MAKE UP THE BOARD.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE OR LIKE TO THINK THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ONCE SELECTED TO REPRESENT THAT BOARD, THAT WHEN THEY HEAR CASES, IF THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR ANY CASES THAT THEY, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, BE OBJECTIVE IN THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR DELIBERATIONS.
BUT BECAUSE THE CITY, KATIE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CITY HAS A CHARTERED PROCESS FOR HOW BOARD MEMBERS ARE SELECTED FOR COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS.
THE PROCESS, I DON'T BELIEVE IS IN THE CHARTER.
NO, BUT THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN DONE, I THINK IS IN THE, IN THEIR MANUAL, I BELIEVE.
BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE THE SIMILAR PROCESS.
THE SAME PROCESS TO WHERE THERE WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, THE LIAISON, OR NOT THE LIAISON, BUT THE LIAISON, THEN SOMEONE, A REPRESENTATIVE, I WOULD ASSUME FROM THIS BOARD.
AND THEN, UM, CITY STAFF AND, AND THEN TONY, SOMEONE FROM HR.
AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WOULD BE THERE OR NOT, BUT THEY MIGHT BE INVITED.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO NOW FOR EVERY BOARDING COMMISSION.
I WOULDN'T SEE THAT BEING DIFFERENT.
SO, UM, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND, I SEE THE ISSUE WITH MAKING BIAS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.
BECAUSE AS I THINK ABOUT, WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT THAT'S COMING UP, AND THOSE INTER, THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS INCLUDES, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, TONY SENDS IT OUT AND THEN IT'S SENT OUT TO ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE'RE ALSO INVITED.
UM, HOWEVER, IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY DURING OUR WORK HOURS, THEN THAT DOES NOT STOP THE PROCESS.
UM, WHICH IS, THAT PROCESS IS CON HAS BEEN CONCERNING FOR ME BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE DIVERSE REPRESENTATION AROUND THAT TABLE TO MAKE THE SELECTION.
UM, THAT'S WHERE I SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE SOME, AND IT'S MORE THAT WE'LL TALK AND WE'LL, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT ALSO, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE MET WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT WE WERE GOING TO, UM, IT WAS WITH RICHARD SHAW ACTUALLY IN ANITA KITCHEN, OR TAKING IT TO THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS AS AN ENTITY THAT COULD BE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE TO RUN THE CCRB.
AND THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE REPRESENTATION FROM MULTIPLE CITIES.
AND SO IT COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT BIAS OUT OF THE PROCESS.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY, UM, MR. SHAW, MISS KITCHEN ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO GET US ON THE AGENDA FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
HOWEVER, WE HAD TO POSTPONE THAT BECAUSE WE, WE DID NOT HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM OUR COMMISSION.
UM, SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE RESCHEDULED.
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HOPING FOR NOVEMBER.BUT THE THOUGHT INITIALLY WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE CC TO THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPTION FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GET INVOLVED IN.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT AS A COMMISSION AND DISCUSS AND BOAT ON AND DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I DO AGREE THAT IT WILL, UM, SLOW OUR PROCESS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, BUT I, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE IN, IN THE, IN THE BEST LIGHT, IN THE BEST PROCESS, AND WE CREATE THE BEST PROCESS WITH THE CITY, HAVING KIND OF OWNERSHIP OF IT.
WOULD KATIE, WOULD THEY THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALTER THIS PROCESS IN ANY WAY THAT THEY SEE FIT? IF IT'S APPROVED BY COUNSEL UPON YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I DON'T SEE, I, IF THEY HAD ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD GIVE IT THAT EVENING.
THEY LOOK AT IT IF THEY HAD ANY REVIEW ON IT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE DECIDING ON THE PROCESS.
BUT LET'S SAY THE CITY DECIDES, OH, WE DON'T, THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR US ANYMORE.
THEN CAN WE COME BACK AND SAY, OR THE CITY COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE'RE YOU MEAN ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, YOU MEAN, OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ONCE IT'S, ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, IS THERE, BUT ARE WE, IS IS, IS THE, IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE PROCESS OR IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE, WHO MAKES UP? I THOUGHT THE CONCERN IS ABOUT WHO'S SITTING ON THE BOARD.
THE CONCERN IS ABOUT WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE BIAS OUT OF THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS JUST, THIS IS IN, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS ONCE IT'S SET UP, RIGHT, IT JUST SAYS THIS IS HOW IT WILL WORK, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE THING.
THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS RIGHT, ARE WE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH WHO SITS ON THAT BOARD? CAUSE THAT'S THE CONCERN, RIGHT? IS THERE BIASING? SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SPEAKING TO THE PROCESS, RIGHT? DO WE AGREE WITH THE PROCESS AND HOW IT, FRAMEWORK OF THE PROCESS? THAT'S ALL.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WHEN, OKAY, SO IF WE WAITED TILL NOVEMBER AND SPOKE TO THE TIER GROUP, HOW WOULD THIS CHANGE? LIKE, LET'S SAY THEY SAID WE WANNA HELP TOO.
HOW WOULD THIS FLOW CHANGE WOULD JUST WHERE IT SAYS INTERNAL AFFAIRS POLICE REVIEW, WOULD THAT BOX JUST BE TIER ONE, BUT THE REST WOULD STAY THE SAME? OR CAN YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN THAT? SO I DON'T, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE RIGHT, IF WE TAKE THIS TO ANOTHER ENTITY, THEY MAY COME UP WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR.
THEY COULD, IT COULD BE SOMETHING MAYBE MODIFIED.
I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO HOW, UM, THEY WOULD, UM, LAY OUT THAT FLOW.
RIGHT? AGAIN, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT I'VE DONE OR WHAT THE TEAM HAS DONE.
WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT MODELS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DAYTON, UH, OTHER, OTHER CITIES LOOKED AT THEIR PROCESSES.
AND THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH, RIGHT? UM, IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, HOW WE'RE COME IN, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'S WHY I PRESENTED IT, IS IF YOU ALL HAVE THIS, RIGHT, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE THE PROCESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BIASING AND WHETHER IT'S INDEPENDENT OR NOT, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING.
CAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE COMING UP WITH THIS.
SO WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE OUR INITIAL INPUTS AND SAY, THIS IS HOW, WHAT WE WANT THE PROCESS TO LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, AGAIN, WHO SITS ON IT.
I MEAN, OR THE CITY HAS TO MAKE THAT, MAYBE MAKE THAT DECISION, OR IF YOU WILL, UNLESS WE'RE JUST GONNA PULL UP AND ON, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PULL EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE CCRB.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, DO YOU, DO WE AGREE WITH THE PROCESS, THE STEPS? IF NOT, THAT'S FINE.
LET'S, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
TELL ME WHAT CHANGES YOU THINK, UM, SHOULD BE MADE OR IF THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS WITH IT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE ADDRESSING.
CAUSE THIS IS ALL I'VE SHARED TONIGHT, IS, AGAIN, WHAT STEPS AND DEPENDING OF WHO, THIS DOESN'T SAY, IT JUST SAYS CCRB BOARD DOESN'T TALK ABOUT, DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT WHO SITS ON IT.
DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT WHO'S SELECTING.
RIGHT? I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS.
SO DO YOU AGREE WITH THE PROCESS? IF NOT, THAT'S FINE.
LET'S DISCUSS WHAT CHANGES WE WANNA MAKE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, I, IT IS NOT THAT I DON'T AGREE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE,
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BECAUSE WE ARE A CITIZEN'S REVIEW, A CITIZEN ACTION BOARD.AND WHEN I SAY CITY, I'M MEANING POLICE, RIGHT? CITY COUNCIL.
SO, SO LEMME SAY THIS, RIGHT? SO IT WAS, IT WAS, I'LL SAY THE REFORM COMMITTEE MM-HMM.
WE PRESENTED THIS PROCESS, THEY, THE CITY HELPED US WITH THE DETAILS, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY US, THE THREE OF US THAT WALKED IN WITH THE PROCESS BASED ON PRACTICES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND OTHER BENCHMARKING BASED ON OUR OWN RESEARCH.
AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T COME TO US WITH A YEAH, YOU GUYS AGREE WITH US? NO, WE DID THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE JUST A COUPLE THINGS, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, ERIC.
UM, I THINK THE VERBIAGE GETS A LITTLE CUMBERSOME SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF LIAISON THAT IS STRICTLY SOMEBODY THAT IS GATHERING THE DOCUMENTS AND PUSHING THEM ON TO THE NEXT PERSON.
THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING ANYTHING.
THEY ARE JUST GOING, YOU TAKE THESE PAPERS AND THEY GO TO YOU.
UM, WHERE THE PROCESS WOULD START, IF WE MOVED WITH THIS FIRST TIERS GROUP, IT WOULD HONESTLY START WHERE IT SAYS CCRB INITIAL REVIEW.
NOTHING BEFORE THAT CAN CHANGE.
IT ALL HAS TO START WITH THE INTERNAL POLICE REVIEW OR, UH, AN ALLEGATION THAT INVOLVES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS EITHER SUBSTANTIATED OR NOT SUBSTANTIATED.
EITHER WAY, THEY GET A LETTER.
IF IT IS SUBSTANTIATED, WELL THEN THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, UM, DISCIPLINARY ACTION OR WHATEVER.
IF IT IS NOT SUBSTANTIATED AND IS ALSO, UM, RELATIVE TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, THEN THEY CAN FILE THIS COMPLAINT.
IT IS, IT IS STRICTLY FOR THOSE COMPLAINTS THOUGH, THAT ARE TIED TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 AND THOSE PROTECTED CLASSES.
THEN ONCE THE COMPLAINT IS FILED, THAT'S WHEN IT GOES TO LAW DIRECTOR REVIEW.
JUST BECAUSE IT, THE CITY HAS TO, IT, IT, IT'S PART OF COVERING THEIR OWN TALE.
IF IT COMES TO THIS BEING A CITY BOARD, I MEAN, IT JUST HAS TO GO TO THE LAW DIRECTOR REALLY, BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE CITY'S POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S GOING TO THAT LAW DIRECTOR ANYWAY FOR THEM JUST TO ISSUE A, THEIR VERSION OF EVENTS.
SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD, SHOULD IT NOT? I THINK THAT WAS THE, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS MORE ON THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE.
THEIR REVIEW WOULD JUST BE THE BOARD CAN THE, THE CCRB COULD DECIDE TO HEAR IT OR NOT.
IT'S NOT FOR THE ATTORNEY TO SAY, NO, YOU SHOULD HEAR IT OR NOT.
THIS IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION IS ON THE CIVIL RIGHTS, CORRECT.
THE, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S OPINION OR THE CITY'S STANCE ON IT.
AND THEN THAT GOES WITH THE PACKET OF INFORMATION, THE POLICE REPORT, THE INVESTIGATION, ALL OF THOSE PACKETS OF INFORMATION ARE PUT TOGETHER.
AND THEN THAT IS WHAT'S SENT TO THE CCRB FOR THEM TO THEN MAKE THEIR DECISION ON IF THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A HEARING OR NOT.
AND EITHER WAY, THEN YOU GET ANOTHER LETTER.
YOUR HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR 30 DAYS OUT, OR NO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION WITH THIS.
SO LET ME, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, RIGHT? SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE CITY INTERJECTED, RIGHT? THAT BOX WHERE IT SAYS CLERK OF, I'M SORRY, CLERK OF COUNCIL AND CITY LAW DIRECTOR.
SO THE CITY SAID, YEAH, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FIRST.
WE NEED OUR ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT IT, WHICH WE SAID IS FINE.
WE JUST, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU SEND ALL THE DATA TO THE CCRB.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT, YOU'RE REVIEWING IT.
WHATEVER COMMENTS YOU WANNA HAVE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMPLAINT, WHEN THAT PERSON SUBMITS THAT COMPLAINT, IT GETS TO CCRB.
SO WE MADE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT AGAIN, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PARTS WHERE THEY SAID, WELL, WE STILL NEED TO LET IT COME.
IT HAS TO COME INTO THIS DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S FINE.
THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS, CERTAIN ROLES THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE.
BUT AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, HEY, IF A CITIZEN SAYS, HEY, WE FEEL LIKE, WE FEEL LIKE OUR CIVIL, MY CIVIL RIGHTS HAS BEEN VIOLATED, THAT THAT COMPLAINT GETS TO US.
AND THEN IT'S REALLY, YOU NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BLOCK, MOST OF IT'S THE CCRB THAT'S IN CONTROL OF THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? CAUSE THEY GET THE COMPLAINT IN.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE SAID POLICE, I MEAN, MAKE SURE YOU SEND OUT A LETTER LETTING FOLKS KNOW THAT, HEY, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THE CIVIL RIGHTS BEEN VIOLATED, THEY HAVE THIS LOCATION TO GO TO, TO GO FILE THAT COMPLAINT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.
AND THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THAT.
SO AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE TO THE PROCESS, IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS WE SHOULD ADD, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, I HEAR YOU ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT BEING INDEPENDENT.
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THAT.MY, AGAIN, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IF YOU, IF YOU TRY AND TAKE THIS OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, I'M JUST CONCERNED IT MAY NOT EVER GET DONE.
BECAUSE NOW YOU, DEPENDING ON A BUNCH, YOU'RE DEPENDING ON OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OR OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE NOT MAYBE TIED TO THE CITY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THIS A HIGH PRIORITY, THAT'S ALL.
I MEAN, IT MAY HAPPEN SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND I THINK, AND WE, AND, AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE BIASING, RIGHT? I MENTIONED WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THIS GROUP THAT WILL BE ON THE BOARD WILL HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE WAC P THAT SITS ON THE BOARD, RIGHT? I MEAN, UNLESS WE QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, THOSE INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS.
AND THEN, AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS.
I MEAN, SO, AND I ASSUME WE COULD BE INVOLVED IN THE, WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THE SELECTION THAT SOMEONE FROM THE, I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT FROM THIS GROUP CAN SIT, SAID, OKAY, GREAT, SO WE CAN BE INVOLVED.
BUT COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THOSE THAT INTERVIEW THE INTERVIEWERS.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT GROUP THAT COMES TO COUNCIL.
AND COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION.
RIGHT? THE BIGGEST THING FOR THIS, I HAVE SOME HE HESITATION GOING, IT
YOU DON'T HAVE TO THIS OPTION.
GO ATTORNEY AIN'T GOTTA TO DEAL WITH NO CCR.
YOU AIN'T DO YOU WRITE THE CHECK.
SO I THINK FOR SOMEBODY TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT OPTION, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN PLACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE NEVER GONNA TO FIGHT THAT OUT.
AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SET THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE UP, WE'RE TRYING TO SET IT UP WHERE IT'S, YOU TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF WE GOT AN ATTORNEY, IF WE GOT SOMEBODY FROM NAACP, WE HAVE SOMEBODY, THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE LARGEST MINORITY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO AT LEAST WITH THOSE FOLKS, I THINK, I MEAN AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I GET IT.
BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN THAT UP, I THINK IT'LL BE TO OR ON AND, BUT IS, THIS IS A FREE OPTION FOR CITIZEN OF HEBREW THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR ATTORNEY, JUST TO ADD, RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S, WE SAY NINE, RIGHT? BUT I THINK TWO OF THEM ARE LIKE AT LARGE OR NON VOTING MEMBERS, RIGHT? I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE, SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS A, A MEMBER FROM THE CITY STAFF OR LAW DIRECTOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT VOTING MEMBERS.
THEY'RE THERE STRICTLY TO SAY WHAT IS OR IS NOT ALLOWED BY LAW.
SO FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE WAS ONE NON-VOTING MEMBER THAT WAS THE CITY'S DESIGNEE.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE NON-VOTING MEMBER THAT IS, UH, CHIEF WHITENERS DESIGNEE.
AND THEY'RE JUST THERE TO BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, BY OUR RULES THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
SO THAT'S STRICTLY WHAT THEY'RE THERE TO DO, IS JUST TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, THEIR USE OF FORCE POLICIES OR THEIR POLICIES ABOUT, UM, SEARCH AND SEIZURES OR, OR VARIOUS THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE US, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ON THIS BOARD THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF, OF THINGS THAT CAN COME UP.
SO THAT WAS STRICTLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST THEIR NON-VOTING MEMBERS TO, YEAH.
SO IT LAY IN THOSE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS AND ERIC POINTED OUT AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, AND WHO MAKES UP THAT, THAT GROUP, IF YOU WILL.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I THINK IT ALLEVIATES OR SHOULD ALLEVIATE, UM, OR MINIMIZE THE CONCERNS.
LIKE, LIKE ERIC SAID, YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE OUT, YOU CAN'T ROOT OUT EVERY BIT OF BIAS AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
RIGHT? BUT YOU TRY TO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO CONTROL IT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, WHAT WE'VE STRUCTURED, I THINK KINDA MINIMIZES THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU SAY IT'S AN OPTION, IT'S, IT'S A TOOL.
IT'S AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUALS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THE, THE PROCESS, SO FROM THE STAFF LIAISON TO THE CCRB BOARD, I THINK THERE MAY BE A MISSING LINK THERE.
UM, HOW ARE WE TIME, DATE STAMPING THINGS THAT COME IN TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING ACTUALLY DID COME IN? UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT PART YET.
WELL, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO IN BETWEEN THESE TWO STEPS, SO IF IT COMES INTO THE STAFF LIAISON
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AND THE STAFF LIAISON HAS TO GET IT TO THE CCRB REVIEW BOARD FOR INITIAL REVIEW, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT CAME IN AND WHAT, AND, AND HOW ARE WE TRACKING? SO IT'S THE TRACKING PIECE.SO I THINK, YEAH, I THINK I KIND OF BROUGHT THAT UP.
SO NOW WHAT WE COULD DO, I THINK WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS ONCE THE, ONCE THE INDIVIDUAL FILES A COMPLAINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THERE'S NO REASON THEY SHOULDN'T.
I THINK THE WAY IT'S FLOWING, RIGHT? BUT THE WAY IT FLOWS RIGHT NOW GOES TO THE CITY, GOES TO THE CITY FIRST, AND THEN TO US.
BUT WE, I GUESS WE COULD SET IT UP WHERE IT COME, THE COMPLAINT WOULD COME TO WHOEVER APPOINTS THE LIAISON, AND THAT LIAISON WOULD MOVE THAT PAPERWORK FORWARD AND THEN WOULD COME BACK TO THE CCRB.
RIGHT? BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE TRACKING, TRACKING.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT SYSTEMIC PROCESSES, IF THERE'S NO TRACKING PROCESS OR NO MONITORING OF WHAT'S COMING IN, WHO'S TO SAY THINGS CAN'T DISAPPEAR? MISS MS. SIMS FOULED SOMETHING.
WELL, NO, SHE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM MS. SIMS. BUT IF IT'S A TRACK, IF THERE'S A TRACKING AND MONITORING PROCESS, WE CAN SEE THAT ON 1115 AT 8:00 AM MS. SIMS FILED A REPORT.
AND IF IT COMES ELECTRONICALLY, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY, CAUSE I THINK WE, I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IN THAT LETTER THAT THE POLICE, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SENDS TO THE COMPLAINT OR THE PERSON FILING THE COMPLAINT, IT'LL POINT TO THEM, I GUESS GOING TO THE SITE, RIGHT? WHERE THEY CAN FILL IN THEIR COMPLAINT MM-HMM.
AND MAYBE WHAT WE DO THERE IS WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT COMPLAINT, THAT IT SOMEHOW PROVIDES A NOTIFICATION, AT LEAST A NOTIFICATION TO THE CCRB THAT A COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WON'T GET ANY DATA AT THAT POINT, POINT, ANY NO DETAILS, THEY'LL, BUT THEY'LL KNOW TO BE WAITING FOR IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S COMING INTO THE, UM, TO THE, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE STAFF LIAISON RIGHT? TO REVIEW AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO US.
SO THAT'S GOOD PUT, I THINK MM-HMM.
I WAS GO, I DUNNO IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE RIGHT ANSWER.
CAUSE WE, I'M, TECHNICALLY, I'M SO YEAH, DISCUSS THAT.
WE ABSOLUTELY DID A PERSON, OKAY, YEAH, FILE THIS, BUT I GOTTA HAVE, I GOTTA HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME TOO.
YOU GET THIS, SO YOU FILE YOUR COMPLAINT, YOU GET THIS, SO, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD BE HEARING BACK FOR THEM IN 10 DAYS.
THEREFORE, IF I DON'T HEAR BACK IN 10 DAYS, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE MIS YOU'RE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M MEANING AT THE POINT THAT KATIE, IF KATIE'S THE STAFF LIAISON GETS IT BETWEEN KATIE AND THE INITIAL REVIEW OF THE CCRB, KATIE MAY DECIDE, OH, THIS IS FRIVOLOUS.
I'M THROWING THIS IN THE TRASH.
I'M GOING NO, I'M SAYING IF THAT CASE SUPPOSED TO, SO THE 11TH, I DON'T, I CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED, MIKE? YEAH, BUT I THINK I GOT YOU.
BUT I THINK, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE TRACKING PIECE OF IT, BUT I THINK IF, IF YOU TRY TO SAY THESE THINGS ALL GOTTA BE THE LINE THAT'S, I, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN EXCUSE.
YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN EXCUSE YOU NOT TECHNICALLY SAVVY.
NOW WE CAN PUT AN OPTION IN THE, FOR IT TO BE ONLINE.
LET'S TRY TO MAKE IT AS MULTIPLE.
I, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
DON'T SAY, CAN'T SAY, I DON'T WANT YOU, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD DECISION TO PIGEONHOLE IT, THAT IT JUST GOTTA GO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I GOTTA FILL THIS OUT.
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT FILLING IT OUT ONLINE.
IT'S ABOUT, THERE HAS TO BE A RECORD, A PAPER TRAIL.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF WAY TO MONITOR.
AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT EVALUATING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO SEE IF IT'S GOING WELL OR NOT GOING WELL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PAPER TRAIL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A A SYSTEM TO MONITOR, YOU CAN'T REALLY EVALUATE IF IT'S GOING WELL OR IF IT'S NOT.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA, IT DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THERE'S A, UH, SOME TYPE OF RECEIPT, WASN'T IT WHEN YOU, WHEN I TURNED IT IN, I GIVE A RECEIPT BACK TO SAY, HEY, I TURNED THIS IN.
BUT HERE, I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT RONDA'S GETTING AT IS, AND I'M WITH YOU, WE SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? BUT I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS SHE JUST WANTS SOME ASSURANCE.
SO LET'S JUST SAY WHAT SHE'S SAYING I'M WITH, RIGHT? I, I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT THE ONLY WAY TO GET A RECEIPT, I
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GOTTA PUT IT IN.WELL, I THINK NECESSARILY YOU CAN.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE AN ELECTRONIC MEANS, BUT ALSO A PAPER MEANS, RIGHT? SO IF THEY COME IN AND THEY FILL SOMETHING OUT, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DATE AND TIMESTAMP AT THAT POINT.
AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE GIVEN A COPY TO LIVE THAT FOR RECORDING.
BUT I THINK, BUT, BUT I THINK THE THING IS RIGHT, SO LET'S JUST SAY THEY, THEY, INSTEAD OF FILLING, FILLING OUT THE, THEIR COMPLAINT ON THE WEBSITE, RIGHT? LET'S SAY THEY FILL OUT A PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN THEY BRING IT TO THE POLICE STATION, RIGHT? THEY HAND IT TO OFFICER, THEY HANDED TO CHIEF LIGHTNER.
RIGHT? I'M JUST, SO I THINK WHAT RHONDA'S SAYING IS, WELL, HOW DO I KNOW CHIEF LIGHTNER GOT THAT, THAT COMPLAINT? BECAUSE IT'S GOT, THERE'S NO WAY TO TRACK IT.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, OR TO HANDED IT TO KATIE, I DON'T KNOW.
SO THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT RIGHT? NOW, IF IT'S ELECTRONIC, YOU CAN SET UP, YOU KNOW, AN ALGORITHM TO SAY, RIGHT, WE NOTIFY THE CCRB.
BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HAND CARRY IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER, THEN IT'S NOT A WHOLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO UNLESS YOU PUT ON THE LETTER SAYING, HEY, ALSO, UM, IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO THE CCRB DIRECTLY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER.
TO SAY THAT YOU SUBMITTED COMPLAINT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES IN THAT CCRB IS AT LEAST AWARE THAT SOMETHING'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO, I WAS GOING DARKER.
I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO, HOW DO WE KNOW WE GET ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
SO I WAS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE LIKE A CONFIRMATION THAT WHAT I SUBMITTED IS WHAT YOU HAVE.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT I WAS THINKING LIKE, IF I SUBMIT 25 PAGES, BUT I HAVE 35 EXTRA OF EVIDENCE, HOW DO I KNOW YOU GET IT? LIKE, IS THERE A WAY TO CONFIRM YOU ARE REVIEWING WHAT I ACTUALLY GAVE AND THERE WOULD, THERE'S NOTHING MISSING.
SO, SO THE DOCUMENTS THERE WILL GET, AND, AND REMIND ME, UH, SO THE DOCUMENTS WE'LL GET IS THE, IS THE REPORT OR THE IA REPORT THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER THAT BASICALLY OUTLINES THEIR FINDINGS.
SO WE'LL GET THAT'S, I GUESS, PUBLIC RECORD.
BUT THEY'LL HAVE, THEY CAN'T, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US WHATEVER THEY HAVE, RIGHT? SO I HAVE TO TRUST THAT, THAT THAT REPORT IS COMPLETE.
SO WE'LL GET THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET THE REQUEST, THE COMPLAINT FORM FROM THE, UH, PERSON FILING THE COMPLAINT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO DOCUMENTS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE GONNA GET, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO, THAT'S THE ONLY INFORMATION WE HAVE.
SO IT'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GETTING A BOX FULL OF STUFF.
YOU'RE JUST GETTING TWO PIECES OF PAPER TO LOOK AT.
OR FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, JUST MINIMIZE, IT'S KINDA LIKE EXACTLY.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE LOOK AT IT OR THE CCRB LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, I NEED MORE.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE HEARING.
AND THEN YOU BRING IN THE, THAT'S OKAY.
THEN YOU BRING IN WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
OKAY, SO I'M VOTE, I I VOTE FOR IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THAT IN ANY PUBLIC RECORD INFORMATION YEAH.
IF YOU HAVE THAT IN PLACE IN A PROCEDURE WHERE YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SEE EXTRA DOCUMENTS OR ALL THE DOC OR WHATEVER, YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE WHATEVER THEY'RE SAYING.
AND ALSO, I THINK IF YOU HAVE A WAY TO PUT IT INTO PROCEDURE OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO WHEN IT'S TIME TO WRITE THAT THE TWEAKS AND CHANGES COME HERE MM-HMM.
IF IT COMES HERE FOR REVIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF YOU PUT THAT INTO THE PAPERWORK, I'M THEN, I'M, I'M A YES.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE ITS HANDS IN THIS BOARD OTHER THAN THE ONE PERSON THAT WE HAVE SITTING ON THIS BOARD.
THIS IS NOT COMING THROUGH US.
THIS IS NOT COMING OUT OR IN OF THIS COMMISSION.
WE JUST IMPLEMENT, WE'RE JUST SETTING IT UP.
WE'RE JUST, WE ARE JUST TELLING WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, WE'VE MET EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE THREE MONTHS ABOUT THIS.
SO I MEAN, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.
AND, AND, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE THIS ADDITIONAL TRACKING AND MONITORING BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEK, THE WEEK AFTER.
NOW, UM, THAT IS A VERY WELL NOTED POINT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE RICHNESS THAT THIS COMMISSION BRINGS IS WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.
AND IT'S ALWAYS THESE THINGS THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE CONSIDERED THAT.
AND YOU ARE 100% CORRECT THAT IF IT COMES IN ELECTRONICALLY, WE NEED TO HAVE THE ELECTRONIC STAMP.
IF IT'S COMING IN THROUGH HERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A RECEIVED STAMP.
IF IT GOES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A STAMP.
SO DULY NOTED, WE WILL TAKE THAT BACK AND WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN THE UPDATED PROCESS BEFORE WE BRING BACK THE FINALIZED PRO, THE WHOLE THING BACK FOR APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION.
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NOT LIKE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT.WE WERE JUST KIND OF SHARING, YOU KNOW, UPDATES.
I, I LOVE THIS CONVERSATION THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS STUFF WE WOULDN'T HAVE NOT, NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERED.
I THINK WE HAD THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ALSO ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVED.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY CAN SUBMIT IT HERE.
THEY CAN SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HOW WILL THEY SUBMIT IT, WHAT OUR ROLE WOULD BE SUBMITTED THROUGH.
BECAUSE I THINK IF WE HAVE TOO MANY OPTIONS FOR SUBMISSION THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY CHANGINGS IN HANDS OF PAPER.
SO THE, I I PULL IT, THE FORM.
CAUSE I THINK I HAD TO PLEASE, CHIEF SENT ME THE, WELL, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE HERE AND TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ONLY BECAUSE IF I WANT TO COMPLETE SOMETHING IN PERSON AND THE ONLY IN PERSON OPTION IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THEIRS, WHY WOULD I GO THERE AND FILL OUT THE FORM? SO WE NEED TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE HERE.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST DO IT HERE AND ELECTRONICALLY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO JUST TO TAKE ONE PLACE OUT OF THE LOOP OR CHANGES.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE, THE MORE ACCESSIBILITY POINTS, NOT NECESSARILY LESS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 200 FEET OVER THERE VERSUS HERE WHEN IT COMES TO SUBMITTING THE REQUEST.
AND I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY GONNA COME UP WHEN IT IS THESE TYPE OF VERY SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS THAT COME UP THROUGH POLICE REVIEW.
SO THE CHANCES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE 45 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN CITY HALL TO COMPLETE THIS APPLICATION, IT'S THE MORE PLACES THE BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IF I FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS A POLICE ISSUE, IT JUST, IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF I WANNA GO IN AND TALK TO THE, THE SERGEANT OR THE WHOEVER'S ON STAFF FIRST, AND THEN I DIDN'T GET WHAT I WANTED, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THAT APPLICATION WHILE I'M HERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE, I DON'T THINK LESSENING IS GONNA HELP THIS ANYMORE.
THAT'S TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR PAPER COPIES AND ONE FOR ELECTRONIC.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, SO WHEN THAT LETTER COMES FROM THE, UM, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE PERSON FILING THE COMPLAINT, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF FIRM UP ON THAT LETTER.
THIS IS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
IF THEY WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH CCRP, RIGHT.
THEY CAN GO TO THE SITE OR THEY CAN GO HERE.
JUST, WE JUST KIND OF ANNOTATE ON THAT LETTER SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO NEXT.
SO ONCE THEY'RE, IF THEY SUBMIT IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY FILE IT? CAUSE IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY FILED RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
SO THE THING IS, ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY SUBMIT IT, I, WE DON'T CONTROL IA.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I ASSUME THEY HAVE A, I THINK IT'S 30, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
45 DAYS FOLLOWING THE RECEIPT OF THE POLICE IA FINDINGS.
SO I'M GONNA ISSUE YOU FINDINGS.
NO, NO, I'M SAYING I THINK SHE'S ASKING ABOUT WHEN THEY FILE THE COMPLAINT, IT COMES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR INITIAL REVIEW.
RIGHT? WELL, THERE HAS TO BE AN INITIAL COMPLAINT FILED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS REVIEW.
I THINK YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT AND THAT COULD, WHENEVER THAT, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HANDS IN IN WHEN THAT GETS DONE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS ASKING ABOUT.
AND I DON'T REM OUR PROCESS STARTS WHEN THAT LETTER IS ISSUE DAYS.
I THINK IT WAS 30 DAYS CONTRACT.
SO YOU GOTTA ADD 30 DAYS OR THERE YOU GO.
CAN WE, I MEAN, I LOVE THE PROCESS.
I THINK IT'S A SOLID PROCESS AND I THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS AND DILIGENTLY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS.
UM, I JUST, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO JUST ADD PROBABLY SOME BULLETED SECTIONS UNDER SOME OF THESE AREAS IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHERE IS IT SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, THE THREE PLACES, UM, MAYBE THE NOTIFICATION, THE TRACKING IN HERE.
COULD THAT BE ALL PART OF THE POLICY? YEAH.
THIS IS JUST AS A VISUAL CLUE.
SO IT IT COULD, IT COULD BE RIGHT.
IT COULD BE DEFINED AS WHEN THEY DROP IT OFF.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST STAMPED.
I MEAN THAT'S THOSE THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
IT'S A HOW WE'RE GONNA TRACK IT.
I THINK JUST DECIDE WHICH OF THOSE THINGS MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDED HERE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY RECEIVE.
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SEE.THEY'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE THIS.
NO, THIS IS FOR US FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THEY, WELL, THEY PROBABLY WILL SEE SOME, THEY'LL, I GUESS IT WILL BE SOMETHING PROBABLY ON THE SITE THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THE PROCESS, RIGHT? IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT PART OF, PART OF THE LETTER THAT THEY GET BACK.
IT EXPLAINS IF YOU ARE NOT, THIS IS YOUR NEXT STEP.
IF YOU TO DO, YOU CAN, IT'S GONNA LIST OUT WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THIS PROCESS.
BUT I THINK ON THE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M SAYING ON THE WEBSITE THOUGH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I KNOW YOU WERE NOT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT AT LEAST WHEN THEY GO TO GO, WHEN THEY GO TO, WHEN THEY GO TO FILL OUT THE COMPLAINT, I THINK WE'LL AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, SO THEY'LL KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE TIMELINE IS, RIGHT? IT GOES TO A HEARING AND IT GOES TO THIS STEP.
RIGHT? SO THEY KIND OF KNOW, INSTEAD OF THEY JUST SUBMIT SOMETHING, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? RIGHT.
BUT AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT KIND OF OUTLINES HIGH LEVEL, THESE ARE THE STEPS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHEN YOU'LL BE CONTACT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
IF IT IS, IF IT IS HANDED, IF IT'S BROUGHT IN, WE COULD HAVE A NICE ENVELOPE MM-HMM.
AND LOG IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM AT THIS POINT.
CAUSE I GET, I GET THE BIG PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, YEAH.
SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO CONCUR ON THE, ON THE FLOW ON THE PROCESS.
THERE'S STILL SOME DETAILS, DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU AGREE WITH, LIKE I SAID, YOU MADE A GOOD PUT ABOUT THE OKAY.
MAKING SURE IT DOES COME TO THE C HAVE SOME NOTIFICATION.
WE CAN, WE CAN ADD UP A LINE FOR THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S FINE.
RIGHT? SO, AND, AND AS THEY COME UP WITH THE, ONCE THAT GETS LAID OUT, RIGHT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S ABREAST AND THOSE WHAT, WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE DETAILS INCLUDE.
BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR YOU ALL TO CONCUR ON THE FLOW CHART.
I SAID, GUYS, YOU JUST SAY WE ARE SHARING INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.
CAN I GET A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
SO MODIFICATION PROBABLY INCLUDE, CAN YOU THAT IN THE MOTION? WELL, I, I GUESS THE MODIFICATION IS TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THE COMPLAINT, THE PERSON FILING THE COMPLAINT SUBMITS HIS FORM, THAT THERE IS A NOTIFICATION TO THE CCRB THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
THAT'S ALL OF SOME FORM, RIGHT? WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER, WHAT'S WRITTEN.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, MAAM? CHAIR? YES.
UM, AND THIS IS A CHAIR, A QUESTION FOR THE COMMITTEE.
HAS THE, UM, CHIEF SIGNED OFF ON THIS? AND THE REASON I ASK IS IF, IF WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND SOMETHING REASON THAT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY, NOT OKAY.
MAYBE IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IT'S ACCEPTABLE AND IT JUST PROCESS IS OKAY WITH ALL THOSE.
HE'S THE ONE THAT PUTS THE MEETING MINUTES TOGETHER.
HE DOES, HE'S A SECRETARY ON THIS, UH, HIS PART OF HIS GROUP.
AND I MET IT FROM MR. PROCEDURES TOO.
NO, HE'S, HE'S BEEN VERY, I MEAN, AGAIN, IN ALL OF THESE REFORM INITIATIVES, HE HAS BEEN THE ONE PERSON THAT HAS REALLY LISTENED AND BEEN PROACTIVE IN THIS.
HE'S BROUGHT SOME VERY GOOD THINGS TO THE CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, MEAN, OF COURSE WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD, BUT WE HAVE SPENT, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU, 10 HOURS AT THIS POINT MEETING AND GOING THROUGH THESE DETAILS AND STUFF.
SO WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING, WE'RE STILL MEETING, WE'RE NOT DONE.
I MEAN, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, FOR ME, IT SEEMS PREEMPTIVE TO BE VOTING ON THE PROCESS AND THE FLOW CHART WHEN WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THINGS.
AND I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE THE FINISHED PRODUCT TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON SOMETHING.
I MEAN, WE'RE LISTENING, WE'RE HEARING WHAT YOU ARE ASKING OF THIS CCRB, BUT WE GOT A MEETING SCHEDULE NEXT WEEK.
SO JUST WAIT FOR THE FINISHED PACKAGE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH
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IT, THEN WE CAN PICK APART AND, AND SEE WHERE THOSE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE IN THE DETAILS THINGS ARE, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE ALL OF THOSE CORRECTIONS AND CHANGES AND THEN VOTE ON A FINALIZED PRODUCT TO TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL.WAS WHY SAY THIS? WE'RE READY.
I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING, UM, WE WALKED AWAY WITH, UH, AN AGREEMENT ON THE PROCESS.
AND WHAT REMAINED WAS THE THE DETAILS OF THE PROCEDURES.
SO THE THINKING WAS WE WOULD BRING IT TO THIS BOARD, GET CONCURRENCE, THEN BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONCUR ON THE, AGAIN, THE PROCESS.
AND THEN THEY WOULD GO WRITE THE LANGUAGE, DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE FOR THE PROCEDURES, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT IF WE WANT TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, IF WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COMES UP WITH ALL THE PROCEDURES AND THEN BRING IT TO THIS BOARD AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S FINE TOO.
I JUST, I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO, UM, AT LEAST REMIND, NOT REMIND, BUT I GUESS GO BACK TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK.
BUT HOWEVER WE WANNA DO IT, IT'S FINE.
YOU SEE THAT AS BEING AN ISSUE? I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, IF, IF, AND LIKE TARA SAID, IF YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK IN ONE PACKAGE MM-HMM.
CAUSE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.
SO WE CAN TAKE THAT NEXT WEEK, PUT THAT TOGETHER, UM, WITH THE POLICY THAT'S BEING MM-HMM.
AND THEN I'D SAY, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO JUST GATHER ALL THAT STUFF BACK UP AND BRING IT BACK TO THIS GROUP.
AND IT'S GOOD CAUSE I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT, MAN, TO HAVE A, A, A COMPLETE PACKAGE THAT HAS NOT ONLY, CUZ THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS FLOW, RIGHT? BUT THE DETAILS WITH THE PROCEDURES.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS.
WHO'S DOING WHAT AND WHAT THEIR TASKS, WHAT THEIR TASKS ARE.
SO I NOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE, CUZ AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE DONE MOST OF THE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE MEETING AND COMING UP WITH THE FRAMEWORK, THEN THE REST OF IT'S REALLY ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AT THIS POINT TO REALLY PUT TOGETHER THE, THE SPECIFIC TASK AND, AND THE SPECIFIC DETAILS, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO THEN REVIEW.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S BEING DRAFTED, SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE, HAVE A LOT OF IT HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR PEOPLE, BUT
RIGHT? YOU SHOULD HAVE, OKAY, SO OUR, SO OUR FEEDBACK TO THE REFORM TASK FORCE IS THAT WE LIKE THIS PROCESS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
UM, ARE WE JUST THE DRAWING RESEND IT OR YOU WANNA RE YEAH.
RESEND IT RIGHT THEN WE'RE GONNA RESEND.
ITS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? WHAT DID YOU RESEND? YOU WANNA RESEND IT? OKAY.
THE MOTION IS THAT WE TO TAKE BACK THE FEEDBACK THAT TODAY, RIGHT.
WE CONTINUE, COME BACK, WE HAVES.
DON'T NEED THE, IS THE, THAT HE'S APPROACHED FOR THAT.
IT'S BEEN RESCINDED AND THEY WILL TAKE IT BACK, TWEAK, ADD, BRING BACK THE FINAL PROCESS, AND THEN WE WILL VOTE ON IT AT THAT POINT.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT WE'RE FIRST TOPIC, WE DO ALSO NEED TO DECIDE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KEEP INTERNAL OR MOVE EXTERNALLY.
IS THE INTENT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THIS FIRST TIER SUBURBS GROUP IN NOVEMBER? AND DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT? THAT'S NOT LIKE THE DAY BEFORE CONFIRMED.
AS MUCH ADVANCE NOTICE WOULD BE GREAT.
I SAY NIXON, I'M NOT AGAINST HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BUT I FEEL LIKE, AGAIN, TWO SIDES TO THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BEATING OUR DOOR DOWN FOR THIS CURRENTLY.
IT HAS NOT BEEN REQUESTED OF US THAT WE KNOW OF THAT, THAT WE HAVE HAD SOMEBODY BRING THIS TO OUR ATTENTIONS AND NEED US TO FIELD THIS TYPE OF COMPLAINT.
SO, ALTHOUGH THERE IS AN URGENCY, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THESE INITIATIVES FOR TWO YEARS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ON FIRE AND DONE BY THE NEW YEAR.
SO, ALTHOUGH WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON OUR PROCESS THE WAY IT IS, WE COULD HEAR OUT THIS FIRST TIER SUBURBS GROUP.
BUT FOR ME, THEY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO HUBER HEIGHTS COMPLAINTS.
AND THAT IS WHERE MY PULLBACK ON THAT IS.
YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN ANY LAKE CAPACITY, FORM, OR FASHION
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AND HAVE AN AN, A CAPACITY TO COME BACK TO THIS CITY AND OUR CITIZENS TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THEM.AND, AND THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THIS PROCESS STOOD UP RIGHT NOW, IT'S HUBER HEIGHTS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, MUCH LIKE THIS OWN COMMISSION THAT HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST GOING TO A MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UM,
BUT I THINK IT FURTHER DILUTES WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE TO THAT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN GOING, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT.
UM, I'M HAPPY WITH WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT.
WE, WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND I THINK WE HAVE A SOLID OF PROCESS.
BUT AGAIN, IF ANYONE WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, UM, GO INVESTIGATE AND LOOK AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL OPTION BY ALL MEANS.
BUT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN, IN EVALUATING THAT AS AN OPTION AT THIS POINT.
I I THINK MY ASK WOULD BE JUST FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE PROS AND CONS, TO LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS OF BOTH.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE THAT.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD BE THE WEAKNESSES OF US KEEPING THIS AS A CITY BOARD VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE STRENGTH OF AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION LIKE Y W C A EVEN, WHICH IS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
BUT IF THERE WAS REPRESENTATION FROM EVERY, EVERY SUBURB CITY, IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION.
BUT LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS OF US HAVING THIS BOARD VERSUS, YOU KNOW, AN EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, OVERSEEING THIS, THAT TYPE OF A BOARD.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY NOT HAVING THAT BOARD.
LIKE I SAID, IF, IF ANY MEMBER FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT WANTS TO GROUP, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU GOT ALL THE THREE OF US SAYING WE'RE NOT FOR, CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, CAUSE I WAS LIKE, YOU MM-HMM.
BUT YOU ALL ARE THE REFORM COMMITTEE AND MUCH LIKE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, I'M GONNA SAY FOUNDER SYNDROME.
SO SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S YOUR BABY, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ALL OF THE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE, THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER PICTURE.
SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THIS BOARD, BUT IS THAT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY? RIGHT.
THAT'S REALLY HOW YOU, HOW YOU REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT, BUT LIKE EARLY, LIKE EARLIER YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO DEVELOPED THIS PROCESS.
THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS, RIGHT? WAS THIS A PROCESS THAT THE CITY PRESENTED? IT WASN'T, IT WAS A PROCESS THAT WE CAME UP WITH, WITH THEIR TAILORING, WITH THEIR ASSISTANCE.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THE PROCESS.
THE OTHER CONCERN THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD SIT UP, THAT WOULD SIT OR REPRESENT THIS BOARD, RIGHT? AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THOSE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL SIT ON THAT BOARD.
AND GIVEN THE TYPES OF, OR THE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL SIT ON THAT BOARD.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT CONCERNED AND DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO PURSUE, UM, THESE OTHER OPTIONS.
I'M JUST SAYING I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I STAND.
UM, AND I KNOW WE, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'RE GONNA, BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT WHEN THEY APPROACHED FIRST TIER SUBURBS, THEY DID NOT APPROACH THEM WITH THE, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT THEM TO THINK ABOUT TAKING ON.
IT WAS JUST THAT WE WANTED TO COME SHARE THE CCRB WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME, IF WE WANTED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS, THEN WE COULD, SO IT WAS NEVER COUCHED IN THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO THIS.
CAN WE, ARE WE READY TONIGHT TO TAKE A VOTE ON IF WE WANT TO KEEP THIS INTERNALLY? I THINK WE, WE SHOULD.
ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT? YEAH, LET'S VOTE ON A DECISION.
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DO WE KEEP IT AS IS INTERNALLY OR DO WE LOOK AT MOVING THIS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY VERSUS DECISIONS AND NOT DO WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, I THINK THE PROCESS IS SOLID.IT'S JUST WHO WILL OVER, I'M SORRY.
WHO WILL OVERSEE THAT PROCESS? SO THEN THAT PROCESS, IF IT GOES EXTERNALLY, THEN THIS PROCESS AND SENSE MAY BECOME THE VOID.
RIGHT? CAUSE IT'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S COMING UP WITH THE PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BECOME NOLAN VOID.
I, I THINK THEY COULD TAKE OUR INPUTS, BUT THEY, IT'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT'S FORMED, RIGHT? THEY'RE DEVELOPING.
WELL ACTUALLY THEY WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING IT.
BECAUSE WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS AN ORGANIZATION WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF YOU COME IN AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING.
SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING.
UM, SO, I MEAN POSSIBLY, RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT DOES GIVE THEM THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES.
CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT THAT IMPLEMENTING AND I GUESS IMPLEMENTING THEM, RIGHT? SO THEY COULD MAKE CHANGE.
WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM ADD SOME INITIAL INFLUENCE IS ALL WE'RE DOING.
WE READY TO HELLO? I'M JUST, WHAT, SO THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT NO.
WOULD APPROACH THEM TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THOUGH.
IF WE ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THAT AS A COMMISSION.
SO THEN IF WE WOULDN'T BE IN AGREEMENT, WE WOULD JUST ASK CITY COUNCIL TO NOT EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH REACHING OUT TO THEM.
CUZ IT WOULD BE POINTLESS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT WE COULD JUST ATTEND THE MEETING AND GIVE THEM AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
RIGHT? WE EITHER VOTE, WE CAN STILL, I MEAN YOU CAN STILL GO AND INVESTIGATE IT.
STILL GO TO THE MEETING AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
NO, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ATTENDING THE MEETING.
WE NEED TO DECIDE ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THIS INTERNALLY OR ARE WE GOING TO MOVE IT EXTERNALLY? WE HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
BUT SHOULDN, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
SO I THINK IT, I THINK WE WANNA HAVE THAT INFORMATION FIRST TO SAY WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS, RIGHT? WE HAVE A CITY THAT WAS WILLING TO DO IT.
IF YOULL, AND WE HAVE THIS OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S EXTERNAL THAT'S AGREED TO DO IT, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION.
BUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT TO SAY, TO EVEN SAY THAT THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION.
RIGHT? WE CAN SAY THAT WE, WE WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S IN PLACE TO DO IT.
SO I THINK TO MORE HOMEWORK, IF, IF YOU, YOU GONNA MAKE THAT TYPE OF DECISION, SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO INVESTIGATE AND SAY, HEY LISTEN, I HAVE A PROCESS HERE THAT I PUT TOGETHER.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE IT FORWARD TO GO IMPLEMENT AN INDEPENDENT BODY? OKAY.
IF YOU HAVE THAT, THEN OKAY, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND HAVE YOU HAVE A DECISION TO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT THIS POINT.
SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THIS PERSON, I KNOW THAT WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT TODAY.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUALS ON THIS BOARD THAT WANTS TO GO IN AND EXPLORE AN EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO CARRY THIS OUT, IDENTIFY THE PERSONALLY AGREE, THEN I GUESS WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO A BOAT AND SAY, ALRIGHT, HERE'S THE TWO OPTIONS.
DO IT INTERNALLY OR WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
I THINK IF WE'RE NOT WILLING, IF WE'RE NOT OPEN TO THAT, I DON'T EVEN WANNA OPEN THE DOOR TO ENTERTAIN, RIGHT? THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE IN AGREEMENT COOPERATION FROM HMM.
THE FOUR DISTANCE CRP, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IT'S, YOU HAVE A CITY, YOU HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU HAVE A CRB.
THEY ALL AGREE TO HELP YOU WITH THIS PROCESS.
IF I GET DEPARTMENT, WHY? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR VOTE, THEN I'M, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO, MY VOICE HAS BEEN HEARD, BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT WHATEVER THE GREATER
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BODY CHOOSES TO DO.I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT I, AND Y'ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL.
I'M VERY STRONG ABOUT MY OPINION.
THAT I THINK CITY, THE CITY HAS THEIR HANDS TOO MUCH IN CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I THINK THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AUTONOMY.
AND I THINK THAT IT THWARTS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO FOR THE CITY.
I DON'T THINK THIS CCRB NEEDS TO BE RAN BY THE CITY, BUT I'M ONE PERSON ON A NINE PERSON COMMISSION.
UM, SO WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE WHETHER I SAY YES OR NO, THE THE MAJORITY IS GONNA GET WHAT THEY WANT AND I'M GONNA SUPPORT THAT.
RIGHT? LET'S, CAUSE THAT'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, REGARDLESS, THE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE SELECTING WHERE THEY COME FROM.
I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PROCESS.
CAUSE WHETHER YOU GET A PROCESS TO LEAD YOU OR WHOEVER THE PROCESS IS A PROCESS.
I THINK THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO LEAD TO THAT OTHER ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY MAY SAY, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY MAY SAY, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE FROM TO BE SAP.
I MEAN, I WANT SOMEBODY FROM THIS BOARD, WHICH I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THIS POSITION.
RIGHT? THEY COULD, IT MAY BE WORSE.
RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
JUST CAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF HEIGHTS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ANY BETTER FOR, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S FILING A COMPLAINT.
JUST, IT COULD BE BETTER TO DO IT.
WE, WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THIS INTERNALLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL A VOTE.
I WOULD LIKE A, THE MOTION WOULD, THE MOTION WOULD BE, I'M SORRY.
THE MOTION WOULD BE TO KEEP THIS PROCESS INTERNALLY.
CARLA HAS A, CARLA HAS A QUESTION.
SO IF NO ONE, IF WE SAY NO, WE WANT, IF WE SAY WE WANT TO DO IT EXTERNALLY AND NO ONE SAYS THEY WANT IT, WHAT HAPPENS? THEN? DO WE COME BACK HERE AND VOTE? THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
YOU THINK SOMEBODY WOULD TAKE THIS AB? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I, I AGREE THOUGH THAT WE'RE, IT'S TOO SOON IN THE PROCESS TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY YET.
BUT WE DO NEED TO BE IN AGREEMENT WHETHER WE'RE, WHETHER IT IS GOING TO BE INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE NOTED YES.
CAN'T WE WAIT AGAIN UNTIL WE HAVE THE FINISHED PACKAGE THAT HAS THE POLICIES, HAS THE PROCEDURES, HAS THE PROCESS.
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT MATTER, RIGHT? AND THEN CAN WE JUST FINISH WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WRITE THIS UP THE WAY IT WAS GOING, WHICH WAS INTERNAL ANYWAYS, I DON'T, TO ME, THERE'S NO VOTE TO BE HAD HERE.
BECAUSE FOR US AT THE REFORM COMMISSION AND THE PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS NEVER ON THE TABLE TO BEGIN WITH.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE OR PUT ON THE TABLE.
BUT THAT DISCUSSION, IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST THE EXTERNAL REVIEW BOARD.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE CITY IS RUNNING.
THEY ANSWER AND RECOMMEND BACK LIKE WE DO.
BUT IT IS, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS FUNCTIONING AS AN EXTENSION OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND I, I KNOW WE LOVE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE CUZ WE'RE AN HOUR AND A HALF INTO THIS CONVERSATION NOW.
THINK WE'RE READY TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF VOTE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF VOTE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH.
WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR AGENDA AND WE HAVE A GUEST MM-HMM.
AND WE DON'T WANNA BE DISRESPECTFUL OF HER TIME.
SO, SO THEN WE WILL SAVE THAT DISCUSSION FOR LATER.
BUT WE WILL NEED TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL BE INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL.
AS FOR THE MEETING NEXT MONTH OR WHENEVER IT IS, WE WILL HAVE REPRESENTATION THERE TO JUST GIVE THEM AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR CITY THEN.
AND WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE QUICKLY IN 10 MINUTES.
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THIS IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY, VERY BRIEF.UM, IN REGARDS TO THE EDUCATION FORUM, WHICH REALLY PERTAINS TO THE YOUTH POLICING FORUM, THAT IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND PLEASE, MS. PERVIS, MS. STALE, AND MS. RICHARDSON BRIEFLY CHIME IN IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'M MISSING.
BUT LAST MONTH WHEN MS. PERVIS AND I GAVE OUR OVERVIEW ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, WE DID MENTION ABOUT THIS FORUM AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE ATTEND LAST THURSDAY'S BOARD MEETING TO MEET WITH THE SROS TO KIND OF OBTAIN INFORMATION, BUT TALK TO THEM ABOUT HELPING US WITH THE EVENT.
WELL, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN APPARENTLY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THEM, HAVE A CONVERSATION TO GO OVER FIVE MAIN TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AND I'LL BRIEFLY MENTION THOSE AND I'LL BE DONE WITH MY REPORT.
SO THOSE TOPICS INCLUDE RIGHTS.
WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS DURING POLICE CONTACT? NUMBER TWO, BECOMING A POLICE OFFICER.
WHAT ARE THE PERKS IN PROCESS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT? NUMBER THREE, THE TOP CRIME BEING COMMITTED BY YOUTH.
OR WHAT DO THE POLICE FEEL ARE THE REASONS THAT INTERACT MOST OFTEN WITH YOUTH.
NUMBER FOUR, WHAT ARE THE PENALTIES FOR SOME OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY YOUTH SUCH AS SEXTING OR ASSAULT? AND FINALLY SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE SRO AND MR.
ARE WE, IS THE, UM, IS THIS FOR, PLEASE REMIND ME.
IS IT MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL? YES.
ARE THE PRINCIPALS LOOKED IN AT ALL IN THIS DISCUSSION? NOT YET.
I WAS ABLE TO GET THE SUPERINTENDENT'S CARD WHEN I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON THE 26TH.
UM, I DID BRIEFLY TOUCH BASE WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, GOT HIS BUSINESS CARD.
UM, SO I WILL SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP THAT CONTACT INFORMATION.
UM, HE DID ASK THAT WE REACH OUT AND, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE THIS WITH THE PRINCIPALS OF THOSE SCHOOLS AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THESE FORUMS AT THE SCHOOLS.
DI COLLABORATIVES, THE GI COLLABORATIVE THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 6TH.
WE ARE GOING TO POSTPONE UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SO NO DATE YET THOUGH, RIGHT? NO DATE.
WE, UM, DISCUSSED REFORM IN EDUCATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER TASK GROUPS THAT NEED TO REPORT OUT MAKE A DIFFERENCE DAY, BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH? UM, JUST, JUST REALLY WANNA REPORT THAT WE DID HAVE OUR, UM, DONATION DRIVE.
UH, WE DID COLLECT SOME ITEMS. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH ITEMS TO START ABOUT 10 BAGS, UH, BREAST CANCER CHEMO PACKS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE ITEMS ARE BEING STORED AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
I WANT TO THANK ERIC AND BYRON AND YOLANDA, ERIC FOR HANGING OUT AND MAKING SOME ARTS AND CRAFTS AT THE FALL FESTIVAL.
UM, IT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ERIC MADE A OWL AND WE DO HAVE A PICTURE.
AND WE DID LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO, UM, MAKE DONATIONS.
KATIE, HAS ANYONE, SORRY? HAS ANYONE BROUGHT DONATIONS UP SINCE THE EVENT? I AM NOT SURE.
I CAN CHECK WITH, UM, THE FRONT DESK.
UM, I DO HAVE A, UH, GIFT THAT BYRON GAVE.
UM, SO KATIE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT.
YOU WANT ME TO BRING IT TO YOU OR YOU WANT ME TO JUST BUY THE ITEMS AND, UM, WITH A DONATION, WE
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PROBABLY HAVE TO, YEAH.SO I'LL BRING IT UP HERE TO YOU TOMORROW.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT MS. WHEN THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.
SO WE DO NEED TO COME UP WITH A DATE WHEN A FEW OR ALL OF US, I MEAN, IT'S, IF IT'S 10 BAGS, IF YOU ALL WANT TO DONATE ITEMS, UM, YOU STILL CAN DONATE ITEMS. THE LIST IS ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
UM, ALSO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET A SMALL DONATION FROM THE CITY, UM, FOR THE BREAST CANCER DONATIONS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING KATIE, WE WOULD TAKE FROM OUR BUDGET.
UM, DO YOU WANT IT FROM THIS GROUP? FROM ADVOCACY? AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO VOTE ON PROBABLY.
IT'S TWO 50 OR THREE SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING THE, UM, WE'RE NOT DOING THE, UM, DEI COLLABORATIVE.
SO IS IT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO MAYBE PIECE OUT HOW MANY BAGS WE COULD CREATE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN BRING THAT BACK FOR A VOTE IN DECEMBER? OR DO YOU WANT US JUST TO NO, LET'S JUST THROW IT OUT THERE AND VOTE ON THE AMOUNT AND THEN, UM, SOMEBODY CAN GO WITH ME AND WE CAN GET THE ITEMS. CUZ MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT I GOT, I GOT WHAT ALL THE ITEMS I GOT FROM THE DOLLAR STORE.
SO, OKAY, SO IT'S A DONATION TO GO AND PURCHASE ITEMS. YEAH, AND I PUT, I PUT $60 OF MY OWN MONEY INTO ITEMS. SO I THINK IF EACH OF US WOULD DONATE A LITTLE AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU, YOU, THE, THE ONLY ONE WITH DOC IN FRONT OF YOUR NAME.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO HE WOULD MAKE THE CHECKOUT TO THE CITY, RIGHT? KATIE CITY, IF YOU'RE RIGHT.
HOW MANY BAGS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A GET, I WOULD SAY I'D SAY MAYBE 40.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, I'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF ON THAT LIST, BUT IF WE COULD GET LIKE SOCKS, CHAPSTICK, UM, I TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I'LL DO.
I'LL GET A BASICS LIST CUZ ON MY LIST I'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS.
I'LL DO A BASICS LIST AND I'LL GET IT OUT TO YOU ALL BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WATER BOTTLES.
UM, I BOUGHT, I THINK I BOUGHT 15 OR 16 OF THOSE AND THEN I BOUGHT MM-HMM.
SO WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN THE BOX, BUT WE, WE COULD PROBABLY GET FIVE OR SIX ITEMS IN EACH BAG.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE HUBER HEIGHTS BAGS THAT WE CAN USE, WHICH ADVERTISES THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD FIT A BLANKET.
WE DO NEED TO GET SOME BLANKETS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, TO DONATE $250 YEAH.
IS THERE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ALLOCATE $250 OF THE ADVOCACY BUDGET TO PURCHASE ITEMS FOR THE, UH, CANCER CHEMO PACKAGES.
THIS PASS, WE WILL DONATE $250 TO PURCHASE ITEMS FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS TO MAKE THE BAGS.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR KATIE.
DO I NEED TO GET YOU A CASHIER'S CHECK MONEY ORDER OR CAN I JUST GIVE YOU THE CASH FOR, UM, PROBABLY A CHECK, A CASHIER'S CHECK OR MONEY ORDER WOULD BE BETTER.
LET ME CHECK WITH JIM IN THE MORNING AND SEE IF THEY CAN TAKE CASH.
CASH AND JUST GIVE YOU A CASH BACK.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'D PROBABLY WANT TO CHECK.
CALENDAR SLASH INITIATIVES RIGHT NOW FOR 2023.
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WE HAVE ON THE CALENDAR IS OUR MULTICULTURAL WEEK, OUR JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, UM, OUR QUARTERLY EDUCATION FORUMS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THIS DOCKET FOR 2023.UM, IN TERMS OF INITIATIVES, I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN DISCUSSION THAT, UH, TARA ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
SO ONE, ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS THE MLK PROGRAM.
I WILL BE VERY HONEST, UM, ABOUT THE MLK PROGRAM IS I WILL HAVE TO BEAT YOU AT THE END THIS YEAR CAUSE I'M GONNA BE OKAY.
2023 BUDGET ITEMS. UM, AS IT STANDS BASED ON THE BUDGET ITEMS THAT I RECEIVED FROM EVERYONE, WE ARE GOOD TO STICK WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT 15
WE HAD, WE DID A REPORT ON THAT ONE POINT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
WE HAVE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS MARVA, COSTON AND MS. EVEN NEWBY.
THAT'S WHY YOU WERE HERE TODAY,
SHE SAID IF I HAD KNOWN, IT'S GONNA BE THIS LONG.
I'M SO GLAD THE COMMISSIONER OF THE BOARD I'M ON.
YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA JOIN US? NO.
CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME CHANGE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ALL TODAY.
AND THE MAD I'M CHAIRPERSONS, UM, ALLOW ME, I WANT TO YOU ALL TO ALLOW ME TO INDUCE TO THIS COMMISSION.
A DYNAMIC WOMAN THAT RESIDES IN HO HEIGHTS, WHO HAPPENS TO BE 81 YEARS OLD.
HOWEVER, BEFORE HUBA HEIGHT BECAME A CITY, IT WAS, IT WAS CALLED WAYNE TOWNSHIP.
IN 1975, MISS MAR, BARBARA COLSON BECAME THE ZONING, UM, AND COLD ENFORCE ENFORCER ADMINISTRATOR.
I WON'T SAY THAT SHE BROKE THE GLASS CEILING BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT SHE CRACKED IT.
AND MANY OF US THAT'S ON BOARDS IS BECAUSE OF HER AND MS. LDE THAT YOU ARE HONORED LAST YEAR WITH THAT.
IF YOU'RE TAKE CONSIDERATION IN 1975, SHE AND SHE SPENT 29 YEARS AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I'M VERY ADAMANT ABOUT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF HER AND MS. DALE, I AM ON A, BEEN ON THE COMMISSION ON ONE OF THE BOARDS, TWO OF THE BOARDS SINCE 1996.
OKAY? SO ALL OF US, REGARDLESS IF YOU FEMALE, AFRICAN AMERICAN, WE ARE, YOU ALL ARE STANDING ON HER SHOULDERS.
AND I'M VERY ADAMANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.
AND THIS IS A LADY THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED.
OKAY? SHE HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED FROM THE JCS OF HE HEIGHTS.
SHE, UM, HAS BEEN ALSO RECOGNIZED WITH THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS.
SHE HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY, THE SCHOOLS OF THE CITY, SCHOOLS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
IT IS TIME THAT THIS CITY COGNIZE SOMEONE THAT HAS MADE A WAY FOR US IN THIS CITY.
OKAY? IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, HUBER IS A YOUNG CITY.
IT'S ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR 41 YEARS.
SO CAN YOU IMAGINE 1975 BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FEMALE COMING FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, GRADUATING FROM A H B C U SCHOOL, HOWARD, AND COMING TO A PLACE LIKE HUBERT BACK THEN AND BECOMING, UH, EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
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OKAY? WE COMPLAIN NOW ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT FEAR IN THE CITY AND HOW WE ARE TREATED, BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH? OKAY.AND SHE STAYED, SHE RETIRED IN 20, UM, WHAT IT WAS IT 2004.
SO I AM REQUESTING AS THIS IS A DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE COMMISSION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO BE THAT YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, THE POSITIVE THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR, REGARDLESS WHAT YOU KNOW, AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, PACIFIC, WHATEVER THAT IS IN THIS CITY, SHE STILL RESIDES IN, SEES THIS CITY.
THE WOMEN, UM, THERE'S ORGANIZATION, BUSINESS WOMAN ORGANIZATION, UH, RECOGNIZE HER AS WOMAN OF THE YEAR.
SHE'S VERY ACTIVE IN HER CHURCH AT ST.
LUKE, WHERE SHE'S OVER THE SCHOLARSHIPS WHERE SHE HAS RAISED A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, THUS FAR TO GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO THE YOUTH.
SO I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH MEETS, UM, WHAT IS DONE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, BECAUSE WHAT IS THE FIRST OR SECOND, THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH, AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WHILE WE STILL HAVE TIME AND SHE'S STILL RESIDING, THAT WE RECOGNIZE HER FOR HER OPENING THE DOORS THAT SHE OPENED.
REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE GETTING PAID FROM THE CITY OR IF YOU VOLUNTEER, SHE OPENED THE DOORS FOR US IN THIS CITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. NEWBY.
SO, MS. COSTON WAS A TRAILBLAZER.
AND, UM, SHE PAVED THE WAY FOR MANY OF US TO BE WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND WE WANT TO YOU REQUESTING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER THROUGH PROCLAMATION.
IF IT DON'T HAPPEN NEXT, PAT, EVERY, EVERY MONTH, I WILL BE COMING BACK.
YOU GET IT TO HAVE YOU UNTIL, UNTIL SHE IS RECOGNIZED.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS NEWBY? NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISS NEWBY.
YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE THESE TWO MONTHS A WEEK THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS AND THAT.
YOU WANNA MEET TWO, TWO TIMES A MONTH? THAT'S A SHORT MEETING.
WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL DOING GOOD.
WE'RE FLOWING RIGHT THROUGH IT.
SO YES, MS. CARLA, DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? YES.
I MOTION TO GENTLEMEN, I MOTION ORDER.
I MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. MS. MARVA C**N THROUGH PROCLAMATION.
I PROPERLY MOVE AND SECONDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING A RECORD MOVING FORWARD.
TO SUBMIT A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. MARVA COSTON BY THROUGH PROCLAMATION I IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. MARVA POSTON.
WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THAT WERE ADDED.
I WILL, UH, KEEP THIS BRIEF, BUT IT IS, UM, NEEDED AND IS CAME OUT OF MY LAST MONTH OF SITTING IN MANY, MANY MEETINGS.
SO I HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK FOR FORMAL RECOMMENDATION NEXT MONTH.
UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH CAME AS A RESULT OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WHEN THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION PRESENTED OCTOBER 4TH AND THE SECOND AFTER I ATTENDED THE JOINT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING AND CITY COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME, THE JOINT SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 26TH.
BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO READ FROM THE NEWS ARTICLE FROM WHEN THIS COMMISSION WAS IMPLEMENTED.
THIS ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ON JUNE 25TH, 2020 BY W H I O.
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AND IT STARTS, GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH HAS SPARKED DEMAND FOR CHANGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE MIAMI VALLEY.THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS HOPING TO START A CONVERSATION BY CREATING A NEW BOARD CALLED THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION GROUP.
THE IDEA TO START THIS GROUP CAME FROM ERIC AND YOLANDA STEVENS, WHO HAVE LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
THEY SAID THEIR GOAL IS TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND COMBAT RACISM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND FEEL LIKE THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY'RE APPRECIATED.
THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FEAR WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND BEING TARGETED AS A BLACK CHILD AND EVEN US AS ADULTS.
HUBER HEIGHTS APPROVED THE BOARD AT THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY, JUNE 22ND.
WE ARE HOPING THIS CAN BE A REAL GAME CHANGER FOR GETTING TO UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT RACES AND BACKGROUNDS WE HAVE IN THE CITY TO TRULY UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER.
HUBER HEIGHTS MAYOR JEFF GO SAID MAYOR GORE SAID THE GROUP WILL LOOK INTO PRACTICES WITHIN THE CITY, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL AND THE CITY MANAGER ON WAYS THE CITY CAN IMPROVE AND BE MORE INCLUSIVE.
IN THE FIRST LINE OF THE ARTICLE, THE FOCUS OF THIS COMMISSION WAS DEFINED.
WE WERE ASKED TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACISM AND HOW THIS CITY CAN DO BETTER IN THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH.
INSTEAD OF HAVING REAL CONVERSATIONS SURROUNDING RACISM, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION THAT ARE NEEDED TO MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD, WE ARE BEING ASKED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO RECOGNIZE THE CURRENT HERITAGE MONTH AND WHAT IS THE COST TO THE CITY FOR THE CULTURE WEEK.
EVENTS LIKE THIS COMMISSION WAS NOT ALLOCATED A BUDGET.
THE FACT THAT WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT RACISM, AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT WE ARE FOCUSED TOO MUCH ON ISSUES THAT INVOLVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS APPALLING.
I DID NOT APPLY AND GIVE UP WHAT SEEMS TO BE MY EVERY FREE MOMENT TO SIT ON THIS COMMISSION AND TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, JUST TO BE TOLD THAT WE ARE TOO FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES.
WE WERE ASKED TO COME HERE TO DISCUSS, EXCUSE ME, TO BE TOLD THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE OF COLOR BY A CITY COUNCIL MADE UP OF ALL WHITE PEOPLE IS A COMPLETE SLAP IN THE FACE.
THIS COMMISSION DID NOT COME TOGETHER TO HOLD EVENTS FOR EVERY HERITAGE MONTH ON THE FEDERAL CALENDAR AND SERVE AS SOME EXTENSION OF ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION.
WE ARE PROFESSIONALS WITH EDUCATION AND DIVERSITY, EQUITY INCLUSION.
WE ARE PARENTS THAT CARE FOR WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR OUR CHILDREN OF COLOR.
WE ARE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE READY FOR THE CHANGES THAT WERE SOLD TO US.
WHEN THIS COMMISSION WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 22ND, 2020.
I AM A SINGLE PARENT WITH A CHRONIC ILLNESS, BUT I AM ALSO A LICENSED SOCIAL WORKER.
I SIT FOR HOURS IN MEETINGS TO HELP TO MAKE THIS CITY MORE EQUITABLE FOR ALL.
NOT JUST FOR THOSE THAT LOOK LIKE ME.
I SIT FOR HOURS IN THOSE MEETINGS INSTEAD OF SITTING AT HOME WITH MY SON BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT I AM DOING WILL MAKE THE WORLD HE IS GOING TO LIVE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND.
SO I AM NOT FOR ONE SECOND OF MY TIME, GOING TO SIT AND GIVE CREDENCE TO THE WHAT ABOUT ISMS LEVELED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE HIGHLIGHTED A DIFFERENT HISTORICAL FIGURE IN BLACK HISTORY DAILY FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
I WILL CALL THIS AS I SEE IT, AND THE WHAT ABOUT ISS ARE INDICATIVE OF THE UNDERLYING OR NOT SO UNDERLYING INTOLERANT VIEWS HELD BY THE LEADERS OF THIS CITY.
WE ARE HERE, WE ARE TRYING, HERE WE ARE WORKING HARD ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT NONE OF US SIGNED UP TO SERVICE SOME SORT OF ALL CULTURAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL HAS YET TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE BROUGHT TOGETHER TO DISCUSS, WHICH IS RACISM AND HOW IT IS AFFECTING
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THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.SO I AM VERY GLAD FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT CITY COUNCIL SEES THE NEED AND BENEFIT TO RECOGNIZING THE FEDERAL HERITAGE.
MONTHS AS A CITY, I WILL BE BRINGING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION BACK IN DECEMBER.
IN THAT FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, I AM SUGGESTING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL POST AN EDUCATIONAL POST FOR EACH OF THE HERITAGE MONTHS ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THE RECOGNITION OF ALL OF THE FEDERAL HERITAGE MONTHS FOR 2024.
IF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HISPANIC HERITAGE, WE WOULD BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BECOMING A SANCTUARY CITY OR CREATING PATHWAYS FOR CITIZENSHIP.
NOT BEING ASKED WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS DOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH BECAUSE THEY DID A GOOGLE SEARCH WHILE SITTING ON THE DAAS.
IF CITY, IF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE YA KIPUR OR THE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS A WHOLE, WE WOULD SEE POSTS DENOUNCING THE CURRENT RHETORIC SURROUNDING THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, HAVE YOU? I WILL PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THE FEDERAL HERITAGE MONTH AND INCLUDE THAT IN MY FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FOR DECEMBER.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE ELECTED WARD REPS TO BE THE ONES TO MAKE THESE CONTACTS WITH THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO PLAN CULTURALLY RESPECTFUL AND IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT A TASK TO PUT OFF ON OTHER CITY STAFF.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT OUR CITY LEADERSHIP GET OUT OF ITS COMFORT ZONE AND INTERACT WITH THE RICH DIVERSITY THAT HUBER HEIGHTS HAS TO OFFER.
THIS EXPECTATION THAT THESE NINE PEOPLE ARE, OR WERE EXPECTED TO SERVICE SOME PARTY COMMITTEE ROLE FOR ALL OF HUBER IS LEWD.
CHRIS, IF THE LEADERSHIP REALLY RESPECTED THE DIVERSITY AND RICHNESS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR IF THEY WANT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION BEFORE I MOVE ON TO WHAT CAME OUT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING.
SO, TARA, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ALL OF THE HERITAGE MM-HMM.
KATE BAKER WANTS TO TAKE ASIAN PACIFIC ISLAND HERITAGE MONTH OR ARAB HERITAGE MONTH OR HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH AND PLAN A CULTURALLY REPRESENTATIVE OR IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT CULTURE.
IF THE CITY IDENTIFIES THIS AS AN ISSUE, THEN WE ARE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO IDENTIFY IT AS AN ISSUE.
IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE, THE HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, WELL GREAT.
YOU DON'T NEED US TO RECOMMEND YOU DO IT.
AND THAT'S TRULY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO TAKEN ABACK BY SOMEONE IN MY LIFE TO SIT AND ASK, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE HERITAGE HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH? WE HAD POSTED A POST ON FACEBOOK ON OUR PAGE.
SO I KICK IT BACK TO THE, THE, THE ALL WHITE REPRESENTATIVE WE HAVE HERE REPRESENTING THE MOST DIVERSE SUBURB IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
WE'RE THE MOST DIVERSE SUBURB IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
WE GOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE THAT THINK LIKE THEMSELVES, TALK TO THEMSELVES AND NOBODY DISAGREES.
SO I'M GONNA GET OFF MY SOAPBOX IN JUST A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? CUZ THAT KIND OF LED IN MY NEXT ONE.
SECONDLY, NO, I'LL JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I KNOW WHY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW OR DIDN'T WATCH THE OCTOBER, OR COUNCIL SHUT, EXCUSE ME, SESSION.
WHEN TARA AND I GAVE OUR OVERVIEW ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I'LL MENTION THE NAME COUNCILWOMAN BAKER AS TO WHY THIS COMMISSION NEVER OBSERVED HERITAGE MONTH.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED BEFORE TO YOU, MADAME CHAIR, I BELIEVE, WHEN THIS COMMISSION WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED.
SO WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE EVERY
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SINGLE DIFFERENT DIVERSE GROUP ON OUR OWN.IT HAS TO COME THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THEY NEED TO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING THEIR BOARDS.
SO IT REALLY NEEDS TO FALL ON THEM AND BE MORE ENGAGED.
SO I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU EVEN MORE
SO YOU HEARD THAT COMMENT BEING MADE AND I, I THINK THE POINT OF IT IS, YOU ARE WELCOME TO BRING THINGS TO OUR ATTENTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM US, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE ANY CREDENCE OR TIME OR ENERGY TO THESE.
WHAT ABOUT ISS? THESE, WHAT ABOUT ISS ARE INDICATIVE OF BIAS, OF RACISM, OF, OF A, A XENOPHOBIC AND CLASSIST VIEW OF THINGS.
I COULD ONLY SAY THAT IF I HAD BEEN THE ONE STANDING THERE AT THE TIME INSTEAD OF YOU, I DON'T THINK THE COMMENT WOULD'VE BEEN SAID.
IT WOULD HAVE, WHICH FURTHER SPEAKS TO YEAH.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE THE RACISM THAT IS BEING FELT BY THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION.
I DON'T HAVE TO BE BLACK TO FEEL IT.
SO I'M GONNA GO INTO THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING.
I REALLY NEED THE CITY AND OUR CITIZENS TO GET INVOLVED.
THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE DARK IS HOW WE GET HERE.
SO I, I LEARNED AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING 10 26, THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT SPEAK 19 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND DIALECTS.
I LEARNED THAT BECAUSE AS PART OF THE SCHOOL BOARD PRESENTATION, IT WAS NOTICED THAT I THINK THERE ARE 83 NEW ENGLISH AS THE SECOND LANGUAGE LEARNERS.
OUT OF THE 600 NEW STUDENTS ENROLLED IN THE DISTRICT, IT WAS PRESENTED AS INFORMATION ONLY.
AND NOTED ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, IT WAS JUST NOTED THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ALLOCATED FOR THOSE STUDENTS.
DUE TO THE IMMERSION NEEDED TO LEARN ENGLISH.
MOST OF THESE STUDENTS ARE K THREE, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE LEARNING TO READ AND WRITE AT THE SAME LEVELS AS THEIR PEERS, JUST WITH THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN OF ALSO LEARNING ENGLISH.
IT WAS, WAS EYEOPENING TO WATCH TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONTINUE TO GO BACK TO THIS ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT.
ANYTIME THERE WAS A MOMENT FOR A COMMENT, THE VOLLEY ALWAYS SEEMED TO LEAD OR END WITH.
SO TO GO BACK TO THE ESL STUDENTS, THIS WAS ONE SLIDE IN THE, THIS PRESENTATION, THEY ENCOMPASSED 10 TO 13% OF THE 600 NEW STUDENTS TO THE DISTRICT.
BUT THEY WERE DEFINITELY DISCUSSED ALMOST EVERY TIME.
THERE WAS A TIME FOR A QUESTION OR COMMENT DURING THIS PRESENTATION.
WHAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED WAS HOW MANY LANGUAGES ARE SCHOOL FORMS AVAILABLE IN? DO WE OFFER TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE PARENTS OF ESL STUDENTS? HOW ACCESSIBLE IS OUR WEBSITE? ARE FORMS AVAILABLE IN CITY HALL AND THE POLICE DIVISION AND OTHER LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH? HOW ABOUT AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS FOR THE ESL STUDENTS AND PARENTS? I WANT ON A BIT OF A FACT FINDING MISSION.
WE DO NOT HAVE ONE FORM AVAILABLE IN ANYTHING BUT ENGLISH.
THERE IS NO WAY TO TRANSLATE THE WEBSITE INTO OTHER LANGUAGES.
THERE IS A BOX ON THE HUBER CITY SCHOOL'S WEBSITE THAT IS FOR TRANSLATION THAT YOU, IT DOES NOTHING.
YOU CAN'T PUT A LANGUAGE IN THERE.
THERE'S NO OTHER LANGUAGES OFFERED.
THIS IS THE POINT OF FRUSTRATION FOR ME.
IF OUR LEADERSHIP REALLY CARED ABOUT EQUITY AND INCLUSION, SOMEONE WOULD'VE BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF CITY COUNCIL BY NOW, INSTEAD OF EMBRACING THE DIVERSITY OF THIS CITY, WE HAVE LEADERSHIP THAT VIEWS ESL STUDENTS AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A REMEDY.
INSTEAD OF THINKING, GOSH, WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT SPEAK 19 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND DIALECTS IN OUR DISTRICT.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT? THERE IS NO EQUITY IN HAVING FORMS ONLY AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH.
THIS CREATES UNNECESSARY AND SOMEWHAT XENOPHOBIC BARRIERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THIS IS THE EXACT ISSUE IN HAVING NOTHING, BUT YES, MEN AND WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP'S POSITIONS.
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WITH HAVING NOTHING BUT PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE YOU AND THINK LIKE YOU RUNNING A CITY.HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IN 2022, WE DO NOT HAVE FORMS AVAILABLE IN LANGUAGES THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN'T ACCESS? THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF WHY WE ARE UP HERE LOOKING BEAT UP AND TIRED.
BECAUSE WE ARE, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE PLEADING TO BE HEARD BECAUSE ALL OF OUR WORK IS FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
WE HAVE DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR LONG ENOUGH.
IT IS TIME TO HOLD LEADERSHIP TO A HIGHER STANDARD.
WE ARE HERE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LEADERSHIP THAT DOES NOT SEE THE VALUE IN DIVERSITY AND CONTINUES TO FAIL TO EMBRACE THE BEAUTIFUL DIVERSITY THAT IS HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO I WILL BE BRINGING FORTH A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING HUBER TO A MORE EQUITABLE PLACE FOR ALL CITIZENS.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT CEDAR CITY LEADERSHIP ADVANCE AN INITIATIVE TO ENSURE THAT FORMS ARE AVAILABLE IN AS MANY LANGUAGES AS POSSIBLE.
AND TO MAKE THE CITY AND HUBER SCHOOL'S WEBSITE AVAILABLE FOR TRANSLATION IN AS MANY LANGUAGES AS POSSIBLE.
IT IS, IT IS FRANKLY JUST ABSURD THAT IN 2022 AND IN A DIVERSITY LIKE THIS, IF BYRON WANTED TO GO TO THE SCHOOL AND GET SOMETHING IN HIS NATIVE LANGUAGE, HE WOULD BE TOLD, SORRY.
IF HE WANTED TO GO NEXT DOOR AND GET A FORM TO FILL OUT AT THE POLICE DIVISION.
SORRY, WHAT ABOUT THE FORMS THAT ARE GETTING SENT HOME FOR THESE CHILDREN? IF THE CHILDREN ARE ESL STUDENTS, SO ARE THEIR PARENTS.
THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF ANNETTE, THE INEQUALITY THAT WE HAVE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT FOR TWO YEARS.
SO I WILL SAY THIS, I RENEWED FOR TWO MORE YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
BUT I DID MY EDUCATION AND I WENT TO SCHOOL AND I BROKE DOWN MY BIASES AND I LEARNED AND I EXPERIENCED AND I LIVED IN DIVERSITY TO GET TO WHERE I AM TODAY.
AND WE CAN'T HAVE HOW MANY PEOPLE SIT ON CITY, CITY COUNCIL? 12.
12 PEOPLE THAT ARE SO STUCK IN THEIR WAYS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
NINE PEOPLE THAT ARE SO STUCK IN THEIR WAYS THAT CANNOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH US.
THAT EVERY TIME WE ASK TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACISM AND OPPRESSION AND HOW THESE SYSTEMS WORK TOGETHER, WE GET TOLD TO GO CELEBRATE HERITAGE MONTHS.
AND IT'S THEIR TURN NOW IT'S YOUR TURN NOW TO GO LEARN HOW TO BE ACTIVELY NON-RACIST.
IT IS AN ACTIVITY, IT IS A DAILY THING TO BE ACTIVELY NON-RACIST.
SO I MAY SAY THE THINGS THAT NOBODY ELSE UP HERE IS GONNA SIT AND SAY, BUT I'M GONNA SAY WHAT I SAW THIS LAST MONTH BY SITTING AT HOURS OF MEETINGS WITH THESE PEOPLE, WE GOT A BUNCH OF RACISTS RUNNING THIS CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT NEEDS NEEDED TO BE SAID.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR A WHILE AND I HOPE THAT IT IS RECEIVED FROM YOU.
UM, AND WE ARE SITTING UP HERE,
PRAYING BEFORE I COME TO THE MEETING,
IT IS EXHAUSTING TO TRY TO REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT THIS DISCUSSION IS AND SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RACISM.
AND THEN IT SAID, WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE ABOUT RACE? OR LIKE YOU SAID, OUR COMMISSION ISN'T DIVERSE ENOUGH.
ARE WE SAYING THAT TO ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONS? NINE PEOPLE CANNOT CARRY THIS CITY'S DEI EFFORT.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING HARD TO DO IT AND WE'VE ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE.
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WE'VE TOLD CITY COUNCIL, WE NEED YOU TO STEP UP, BE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS.WE'VE INVITED THEM TO THE FORUMS SO THAT THEY CAN INCREASE THEIR AWARENESS.
SOME HAVE COME, MAJORITY HAVE NOT.
WHICH IS WHY WHEN I TALKED ABOUT FOR 2023, WE WILL NOT OVEREXTEND OURSELVES.
WE'RE GONNA DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY FOR 2023.
WE CANNOT MAKE THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS EQUITABLE AND INCLUSIVE.
THE NINE OF US INCLUSION STARTS WITH LEADERSHIP.
AND IF LEADERSHIP CAN'T BE FOCUSED ON DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION, WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR THEM.
WE OURSELVES OUT TAKE TIME FROM OUR FAMILIES LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING.
AND IT'S TIME THAT WE NEED TO ALLOW THE CITY OR PRESS THE CITY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
WE SHOULD NOT DO THE HEAVY LIFTING WITH US.
SO YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT CAME OUT, UM, WHAT, EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT NOW BECAUSE OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION, ALL CITY BOARDS ARE, ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE DIVERSITY TRAINING.
BECAUSE AT THE RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE OF THE CDC A'S RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM.
AND WHEN I READ THAT, I THOUGHT I, I KNOW THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS JUST CAME ACROSS.
PLEASE TELL ME THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS JUST CAME ACROSS BECAUSE AT RED, LIKE BECAUSE THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION HAS MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE NOW ARE GOING TO MAKE IT MANDATORY.
BLAME THEM BECAUSE, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THIS MANDATORY TRAINING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I'M, I'M HOPING AND PRAYING THAT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THAT'S HOW THAT WAS TAKEN.
BECAUSE SOME EDUCATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AROUND THAT.
WHAT THAT EMAIL SAID TO ME WAS, THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT TO US.
IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THIS.
SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY? DOES IT SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY? DOES IT SAY THAT CITY LEADERSHIP CARES ABOUT CREATING AN EQUITABLE COMMUNITY WHERE EVERYONE FEELS INCLUDED AND APPRECIATED? NO.
IT'S SENT LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE THAT THE CITY IS NOT BEHIND THIS.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE, I'LL SAY THAT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE CITY IS BEHIND THIS.
SO I AM AT A POINT WHERE I FEEL LIKE IF THE CITY CAN'T GET BEHIND PUSHING THESE INITIATIVES, EMBRACING, EDUCATING, BEING INCLUSIVE LEADERS, THIS COMMISSION CANNOT BE SUCCESSFUL AND PRODUCTIVE.
BUT THE FAILURE WILL NOT BE AT OUR HANDS.
WE HAVE DONE OUR WORK, WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT ASKS YOU TO COME TO A TABLE AND THEN PULLS THE TABLE AWAY AS YOU GO TO SIT DOWN WHEN
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OR IF THIS FAILS, IT DOES NOT LIE ON US.IT LIES ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT REFUSE TO SEE THE VALUE IN WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE.
THAT'S THE INCLUSION PIECE, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY, YOU'VE GOT THAT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA, YOU CAN COME TO THE TABLE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A VOICE.
AND THEN I, I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE ALL ARE ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL FOR HOW LONG WE CONTINUE TO BE A PARTY TO WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT WE EXPERIENCE.
SO IF WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE BEING SEEN AND HEARD AND THAT THE CITY IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ENSURING THAT DEI IS A PART OF WHAT THEY DO, IT'S NOT EMBEDDED OBVIOUSLY.
HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT THIS FIGHT? BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE VERY THING THAT WE CAME ON BOARD TO COMBAT AND WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST THE VERY INSTITUTION THAT WE CAME ON BOARD TO HELP.
WE WEREN'T ASKED AND SOME OF US WERE APPOINTED
I'M, I'M ACCOUNTABLE AND THIS IS WHAT THE CONVERSATION I'M HAVING WITH MYSELF.
I, YOU KNOW, HAVE MADE IT KNOWN.
I'M A RENTER HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I CAN TAKE MY TALENTS, MY EDUCATION, MY PASSION YES MA'AM.
TO A CITY THAT BELIEVES IN THIS WORK.
IN FOUR SHORT YEARS WHEN MY SON GRADUATES FROM WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND ANOTHER THING I'M GONNA QUICKLY NOTE THAT REALLY GOT UNDER MY SKIN DURING THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE TWO GUNS THAT WERE CAUGHT AT THE WAYNE GAMES.
THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT THOSE KIDS WERE NOT HUBER KIDS.
THOSE KIDS AREN'T FROM HERE, THEY'RE NOT OUR KIDS.
WHEN YOU OPENED THIS DISTRICT FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT, THEY BECAME YOUR KIDS.
WHEN THEY WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO COME TO THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM AND PLAY FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL AND SOCCER AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR YOUR HIGH SCHOOL, THEY BECAME YOUR KIDS.
AND I HATE TO TELL YOU, EVEN IF THE ADDRESSES IN TROTWOOD OR ENGLEWOOD OR THE CITY OF DAYTON, YOU GOT KIDS THAT HAVE ADDRESSES IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT ARE ARMED.
IT IS AN, IT IS A SYMPTOM OF THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT THESE KIDS ARE FACING.
SO THE QUESTION ISN'T, OH, IT CAME OUT CUZ THE NEWS, YOU KNOW, THE NEWS STORY CAME OUT.
YOU'RE REFUSING TO FACE THE ISSUES, THE SYSTEMIC THINGS THAT GET US TO HAVING A CHILD THAT FEELS THE NEED TO CARRY A GUN.
THEY'RE CHILDREN AND THERE ARE CHILDREN AND THESE ARE THE LEADERS OF THE FUTURE.
SO I DON'T CARE IF THEY THINK THEY'RE YOUR KIDS, THOSE KIDS, WHOEVER KIDS, THEY'RE OUR CHILDREN.
AND OUR CHILDREN DO NOT FEEL SAFE RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
PART OF OUR GOAL AS A, AS A COMMISSION, WAS TO FIGHT SYSTEMIC ISSUES OF RACISM.
SYSTEMIC ISSUES ARE STRUCTURAL.
THAT MEANS THAT EVERYBODY, EACH INDIVIDUAL HAS TO LOOK AT THE BEHAVIOR BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN START TO DISMANTLE A STRUCTURE.
SO IF WE'RE NOT EVEN AT A POINT AS A CITY TO ADDRESS THE BEHAVIORS, THE INEQUITY, THE RACISM, THE BIAS THAT LEAD US TO TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY, IF WE ARE NOT THERE, WE CAN'T GET TO THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
SO IF, IF OUR CITY COUNCIL, IF PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP ARE NOT WILLING TO LOOK AT THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR CHANGE, WE CAN'T DISMANTLE
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A STRUCTURE, SYSTEMIC RACISM.AND EVEN IF NOT AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, AT THE CITY STAFF LEVEL, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO SPEAK UP AND HOLD SOMEBODY ACCOUNTABLE.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE QUARTER FOUR DEI ASSESSMENT AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND.
MIKE IS NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME.
I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WAS SUCH A HARD ASK.
YOU EITHER CAN SAY YES OR NO, AND IF YOU SAY NO, IT'S OKAY.
IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE WORK TO DO.
BUT WE COULDN'T EVEN GET THAT COMPLETED.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T NEED A, UM, A DIVERSITY COMMISSION.
WELL MAYBE WE NEED AN, AN INTERNAL PERSON IN THE CITY THAT WILL FOCUS ON INCLUSION EFFORTS YEP.
AND I WOULD, I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ALL ARE EXHAUSTED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY, AND IT BOTHERS ME.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOU ALL KNOW HOW PASSIONATE I AM ABOUT THAT RESOLUTION.
WHY IS IT THERE? I FEEL LIKE IT'S A HYPOCRITICAL MOVE BY CITY LEADERSHIP THAT THEY POSTED ON THERE JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SHOW EMPATHY BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH GEORGE FLOYD.
THAT'S A WASTE OF PAPER AND TIME AND AGAIN, WHY, WHY HAVE THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT US IN EXECUTING EVERYTHING THAT THAT PROCLAMATION STANDS FOR, PERIOD.
IT'S NOT THERE WASTING OUR TIME WHEN WASTING THEIRS.
SO, BUT THEY WILL SAY THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US WHAT, WHAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.
AND, AND I, THAT'S WHY WHERE I GET TO THIS BEHAVIOR CHANGE IS IT THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
AND THAT'S WHY DOMINICAN CHALK MAD CHAIR, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAD THAT FORUM DURING CULTURE WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THAT RESOLUTION.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIALOGUE BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ATTENDED AND THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WHAT POLICIES WOULD BE IN PLACE IN TERMS OF COMBATING STAMA, RACISM.
AND EVEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE, THEY WEREN'T ENGAGED AT ALL.
SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY ATTENDED.
CAN CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THE CONVERSATION? I THINK, UM, WE'VE GIVEN 'EM WAY TOO MUCH, QUITE FRANKLY, POLITICIANS, UM, DO WHAT THEY DO TO MOST OF THE TIME.
UM, UH, AND I, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD APPEASE, BUT TO LET ME GO AHEAD AND USE IT TO APPEASE THEIR CONSTITUENCY.
UM, IN POLITICS, THERE ARE PERMANENT INTERESTS.
SOME PEOPLE SAY LEFT AND RIGHT AND THIS AND THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO LOCAL POLITICS, IT'S PERMANENT INTEREST WHERE, WHERE THE INTEREST, WHERE WHAT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS? AND WE CAN SAY, YEAH, HUBER HEIGHTS IS A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
IT IS, IT'S REPRESENTED BY THIS COMMISSION.
BUT LET ME DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE, UM, CONSPICUOUS ABSENCE OF ANYBODY ELSE OUT HERE.
SO WHEN I COME TO THIS MEETING AND IT'S LIKE I'M LOOKING OUT HERE AND I ASK MYSELF, WHO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR? RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S NO RESIDENTS OUT HERE.
THERE'S NO COMMI UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT HERE.
THE ONLY PERSON OUT THERE EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH IS KATIE
KATIE, WE APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING YOUR EVENING WITH US.
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IF THIS ROOM WAS FULL OF CITIZENS WHO CARED ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMISSION WAS DOING, YOU WOULD HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL CARE BECAUSE THEIR VOTES ARE TIED TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE FILLING THESE SEATS.THEY'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT HAPPENS IN SO MANY COMMUNITIES WHERE ALL OF THE VOICES ARE SILENT UNTIL, WELL, THE POLICE PUTS HIS KNEE ON SOMEBODY'S NECK.
OR IF SOMEBODY'S SHOT IN THE CAR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OR BULLETS FL THROUGH A BUILDING AND SOMEBODY'S KILLED BECAUSE THEY STOOD UP.
WE GOTTA UNDERSTAND THE ROOT OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.
OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORK.
OUR COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THE STATUS QUO, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT.
WHATEVER'S IMPORTANT TO OUR CONSTITUENCY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO UNTIL WE CHANGE THE PERCEPTIONS, CONCEPTIONS, IDEAS, PARADIGM, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THE PEOPLE THAT SIT UP HERE AND THIS COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNTIL THOSE PEOPLE SHOW UP AND AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS.
I'M GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU, FIND FOLKS UP HERE.
I REALLY AM SOME MORE THAN OTHERS,
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IN HERE TALKING TO OURSELVES.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE ARE, WE HAVE THAT AND WE ARE, WHO'S LISTENING TO OUR, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE TELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS, THIS RECORDING? I GUARANTEE IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN JUER HEIGHTS.
A CITY THAT CONTINUES TO GROW BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF ANYBODY THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, COME GROW AT US.
WE SAY, AND AND THEY ARE COMING AND WE ARE GROWING.
IT'S NOT WITH US, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.
AND UNTIL THEY COME IN THIS ROOM, THE COUNCIL'S NOT GOING TO CARE UNTIL THOSE PEOPLE SAY, HEY, UNTIL DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, WE ARE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET OUR VOTE.
WE GONNA CONTINUE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
WHERE DO WE LEAVE THAT? A EMOTION TO ADJOURN? YEAH.
OH, OH, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
I I DO THINK IT IS A THOUGHT THOUGH.
UM, AS WE ARE ENDING THIS YEAR, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE YEAH.
I MEAN, TO PUTS POINT, I THINK TO BE ABLE TO BRING, TO BE ABLE TO GET FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO, I GUESS APPRECIATE WHAT, UH, WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS, IS OR HAS TO OFFER.
I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE US REALLY ENGAGING WHAT THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT.
FINDING OUT WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE.
AND, AND I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT OR NOT, BUT AGAIN, I MEAN, I GUESS HE MAKES A GREAT POINT.
WE HAVE TO REALLY ENGAGE WITH THE FOLKS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARING THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR DESIRES, UM, BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME MOMENTUM, UM, WHERE WE CAN GET, UH, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM THE COUNCIL OR I'M SORRY, CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL.
BUT AGAIN, HE MAKES A GREAT POINT.
SO, SO I THINK PART OF IT OBVIOUSLY IS ON US TO, TO LOOK AT WAYS TO, TO IMPROVE ON THAT.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA CARRY THE BURDEN OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT DOING THE MAJORITY, THE BRUNT OF THE WORK, AGAIN, IT STARTS WITH LEADERSHIP.
LEADERSHIP WITH WHAT THE LEADERSHIP BRINGS IS, IS REFLECTED.
SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY THERE.
WE DO OUR PART AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE, WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR PART.
THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO MORE OF.
WE'RE DOING OUR PART MORE THAN OUR PART, BUT OUR LEADERSHIP HAS TO STEP UP AND DO THEIR PART BECAUSE THE, THE COMMUNITY IS DIVERSE.
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AND SAY, WOW, WE'VE GOT WHAT TARA SAID, 19 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.THAT TELLS YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
I TELL YOU, WE DEFINITELY DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I GREW UP IN.
IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS I CAME HERE WAS THE DIVERSITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME AS A PARENT, WAS TO HAVE MY CHILD IN AN AREA THAT'S DIVERSE.
SO THEY NEED TO LOOK STRATEGICALLY AT HOW WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR GROWING DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
ALL IN FAVOR? HEY, I