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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 13, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
MEETING OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING, COMMISSIONER ORDERS.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFRIES HERE, MS. OP HERE, MS. THOMAS, HER ABSENCE IS EXCUSED.
MS. VAGO HERE, MR. WALTON GEAR.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIAS.
ONLY ABOUT TABLING THE, UH, THE ITEMS, BUT THAT'S WE WHEN WE GET TO THERE.
UM, NEXT IS, UH, CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL MOVE ON SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, I DO.
I ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT TO COME UP AND, UH, TO THE PODIUM, GIVE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED FIRST ITEM.
UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A FINAL PLAT.
UH, THE APPLICANT D C LAND COMPANY ONE LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR, FOR 29 BUILDING LOTS AND TWO GREEN SPACES AND CARRIAGE TRAILS, SECTION SEVEN, PHASE FIVE, FP 22 DASH 36.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, WE'VE UH, SEEN THIS, UH, BEFORE.
UH, SO THIS IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, 29, THIS IS A SEEKING APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT FOR 29 LOTS ON 10.53 ACRES.
THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED MARCH 15TH OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THE PLAT ACCURATELY REFLECTS THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UM, IF WE GO BACK ON THE WAY BACK MACHINE TO MARCH, UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE, UM, PLAN INCLUDES LOTS THAT ARE BOTH CURRENTLY IN AND OUT OF THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS.
THE, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WAS THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT WOULD NOT SEEK ZONING APPROVAL FOR THOSE LOTS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY UNTIL THE ANNEXATION WAS COMPLETED.
THIS PLAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE LOTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY THAT, SO EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING, UM, REQUESTED FOR APPROVAL TODAY IS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS THAT, THAT WE APPROVED, UH, BACK IN MARCH.
SO, UH, STARTING FROM WEST TO HEAD EAST, UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE LOTS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND PLEASE PROVIDE AN UPDATE IF YOU SO WILLING.
WE'LL DO KEN CONWAY WITH CARRIAGE TRAIL EVENING COMMISSION.
UM, WE'RE ONLY SLOWING DOWN CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUR LOTS.
SO WE HAVE 105 SALES FOR THIS YEAR.
BRING OUR TOTAL TO 1,426, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
SO THAT'S 62 LOTS THAT WE TURNED OVER TO FISHER AND THESE WILL GO TO RYAN HOLMES WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
THIS'LL BE 60 LOTS FOR, FOR RYAN TO BUILD OUT.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE ANNEXATION AS QUITE A PROCESS.
UH, WE WOULD HOPE TO BE DOING SOMETHING, UH, BACK TO YOU FOR THE OTHER LOTS IN SPRING.
UH, WE'RE JUST NOT ASKING TO PLAT THEM.
SO THEY'LL BE CONSTRUCTED SITTING THERE READY TO PLAT OUT, UH, UPON APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION.
UH, NOTHING REALLY TO ADD TO AARON'S PRESENTATION ON THE PLAT.
UH, WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE'D LIKE TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED AND READY TO RECORD AS SOON AS WE GET READY TO PAVE THE STREETS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AS FAR? CAN YOU TELL ME IF, IF YOU'RE, UH, GOING TO BUILD FURTHER THAT VACANT LAND UP THERE, IS THAT YOURS THAT YOU'LL BE BUILDING ON LATER? WE HOPE TO BE BUILDING ON THAT LATER.
IT IS YOUR LAND, RIGHT? WE CLOSED ON, WE, WE HAD THE LAND UNDER CONTRACT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF THE ANNEXATION FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT WE GOT KIND OF GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD TO TAKE IT DOWN OR LOSE OUR OPTION ON IT.
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ACRES OF THAT PIECE THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.UH, IT'S ACTUALLY, THE PICTURE IS PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE PRESENTLY OWN, UH, CUZ IT'S NORTH OF THAT EXISTING FARM AND THEN OVER TO THE WEST OR LEFT OF THAT, WE CLOSED ON 30 ACRES OVER THERE.
UH, AND THEN OVER TO THE EAST, THERE'S A 10 ACRE PIECE THAT WE CLOSED ON.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE LIKE 90 ACRES OF, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS 80 ACRES, TOTAL 80 ACRES TO BE BUILT YEAH.
AND WE'RE DOING PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING ON AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO GRITTED STREETS TO THE NORTH.
UH, PART OF THE ANNEXATION CHALLENGE WAS SOME UTILITY THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE SORTED OUT YET.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A HOLD UP IN THE LAYOUT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE STORM WATER WORK GOING, CUZ THERE'S A, A STREAM THAT YOU CAN SEE JUST ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, THE DARK SPOT, THAT'S A FAIRLY MAJOR FLOW OF WATER THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THERE.
UH, SO IT'S CREATING SOME STORM WATER CHALLENGES TO INTEGRATE INTO THE DESIGN OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY WORKING ON, CUZ THAT REALLY WON'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IN, YOU KNOW, THE UTILITIES WHERE THEY COME FROM.
YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THE STORM WATER THAT THE MAJORITY OF US COMING ACTUALLY FROM NORTH OF ROUTE 40, THERE'S A HUGE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT'S IN THERE THAT DRAINS LIKE 500 ACRES.
AND ANYBODY'S BEEN UP THAT WAY IN A RAIN KNOWS THAT 40 FLOODS CUZ IT'S DESIGNED.
IT'S SO FLAT THAT, UH, IT COMES UP TO 40 THERE'S SOME PIPES FOR IT TO COME UNDER 40, BUT IN A HEAVY RAIN, IT FLOWS OVER 40 AND THEN ALL THAT MAKES ITS WAY OVER TO THAT, UH, CREEK THAT ACTUALLY FLOWS THROUGH CARRIAGE TRAIL.
SO WE'RE PRESENTLY TAKING THE WATER.
IT'S JUST, IT'LL JUST BE A MATTER OF MANAGING IT NOW AS IT COMES THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT D C LAND COMPANY ONE LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION SEVEN, PHASE FIVE OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT CASE FP 22 DASH 36 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO, UH, MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. VAGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MS. OFF? YES.
MOTION PASSES, UH, FOUR TO ZERO.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT MR. SARE, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL, UH, OR THE ENGINEERS WILL PREPARE THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS FOR OUR SIGNATURE AND BE ON OUR WAY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR, UH, WORK WITH US OVER THE YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2009, AND THIS NOW IS THE LAST PIECE OF THE, UH, EXISTING CARRIAGE TRAILS TO, TO PLA THANK YOU.
BUT YOU HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE LIKE 80 MORE ACRES TO COME.
OH YEAH, NO, WE HAVE THIS CARRIAGE TRAIL.
THIS ISN'T THE END WORKING ON CARRIAGE TRAILS TOO.
IT'S A CHALLENGING MARKET RIGHT NOW.
SO, BUT FOR US, UH, AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
THE CHALLENGES IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW AREN'T AFFECTING US AS MUCH AS THEY COULD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LOTS FOR SALE.
SO WE'RE IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEXT PHASE.
WE STARTED THIS IN THE GREAT HOUSING RECESSION OF TWO EIGHT, RIGHT.
NEXT IT NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SENIOR LIVING DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF BRANT PIKE AND NORTH OF FISHBURG ROAD, DDP 22 DASH 34.
UH, AT THIS TIME THEY'VE, UH, ASKED FOR A MOTION TO TABLE OR THEY'VE ASKED, UH, TO TABLE THIS.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, TO TABLE MOTION MADE BY, UH, UH,
IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MS. FARGO, SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MOTION, UH, IS PASSED THE TABLE TO WHAT NEXT WEEK OR NEXT OR NEXT MEETING.
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SO, UM, YES, TILL THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 27TH, UM, IF WE DON'T GET REVISED, UM, SUBMISSIONS BY PROBABLY MONDAY OR TUESDAY, IT WILL BE PUSHED TO OCTOBER.UH, AND THEN WE WILL START, WE WILL RE ADVERTISE AT THAT POINT.
THEY JUST RAN IN SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, WHERE THE PROPERTY ABUTS, THE, THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT FEEL THAT THE DRAWINGS WERE, UM, READY TO BE PRESENTED, UH, TO THIS BOARD.
SO I ASKED THEM TO PUSH IT TO THE 27TH THERE, THEIR ARCHITECT IS WORKING TO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
UH, AND HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX DAYS, THEY WILL BE.
BUT IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE IT TO, UH, OCTOBER.
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UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, UH, SKILLING GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED 6,138 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUELING PUMPS.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DVP 22 DASH 33.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN, UH, BEFORE US, UH, SO THE SITE IS TWO POINT, UH, EIGHT TWO ACRES ZONED PLAN MIXED USE.
IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT AS YOU SAW, AS YOU DROVE IN, PROBABLY THE, THE DEVELOPERS ACTIVELY, UM, CUTTING IN STREETS AND, UH, AND, AND WORKING, WORKING ON THE SITE, UM, THE ADJACENT LAND IS, UM, ZONE PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE TO THE NORTH R SIX TO THE EAST R FOUR TO THE SOUTH AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST.
THE REVISED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 9TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, INTENDS TO CONSTRUCT, EXCUSE ME, A, UH, ROUGHLY 6,100 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUELING PUMPS, THE REVISED, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REMOVED THE CAR WASH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, PROPOSED.
UH, AND THAT WAS, THAT REMOVAL WAS AT THE REQUEST OF, OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, FROM HEARING CONCERNS FROM THIS BODY AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE SITE, UH, THIS IS THE BROAD REACH.
THE, THIS IS THE SOUTH, UH, PARCEL OF THE BROAD REACH, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE WERE SEVEN CONDITIONS, UH, ON THE REVISED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ONE THAT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROVED BY THIS BODY ON MAY 21ST, 2001 SHALL REMAIN.
UM, THE SECOND WAS THAT TWO ADDITIONAL GROUND MOUNTED GAS PRICE SIGNS, UH, NOT EXCEEDING, UH, SIX FOOT, 10 INCHES, UM, BE PERMITTED.
THE APPLICANT WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL ENGINEERING BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN SUBMIT A REVISED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REFLECT ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL BE THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN JULY, UH, WHICH WAS, WHICH ELIMINATED THE CAR WASH.
UH, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF A CAR WASH SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED, UH, BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR, UH, NO SOONER THAN ONE YEAR FROM, UH, FROM THE DATE OF WHICH WOULD BE SEPTEMBER.
UH, SO BASICALLY A YEAR FROM NOW.
UM, AND THEN PRIOR TO THE ISSUE OF IF A ZONING PERMIT THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL ENTER INTO A P D AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, THAT LAST CONDITION CARRIES THROUGH FOR EVERY P U D THAT, UH, THAT WE PUT THROUGH, IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS A CONDITION.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, BROAD REACH, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, THE, UH, CAR WASH WAS HERE ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE, EXCUSE ME.
EAST SIDE OF, OF THE SITE, UM, THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.
UM, PART OF THE PARKING CALCULATION THAT WAS CHANGED IS I DID NOT CONSIDER THE VACUUM PUMP STALLS TO BE PARKING.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
UM, SO THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UH, SO THE GA UH, CAR WASH HAS BEEN REMOVED A FEW OF THOSE PARKING STALLS OR THE VACUUM STALLS ARE NOW PARKING THAT HAS, UH, SLID OVER TO HERE, BUT OTHERWISE THE SITE REMAINS UNCHANGED.
SO, UH, BASICALLY THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE QUARTERS MAYBE OF AN ACRE OF, UH, GREEN SPACE AS YOU WILL.
THAT IS AS A REMNANT, SORRY, THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
UM,
THIS IS THE, THESE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY ELEVATIONS.
THE TOP ELEVATION IS, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD
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SEE FROM TAYLORSVILLE, UH, AND THE BOTTOM ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM OLD TROY PIKE.THESE ARE THE SECONDARY ELEVATIONS.
THE TOP IS THE, ESSENTIALLY THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, LANE.
AND THE BOTTOM IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UH, THAT WOULD BE FACING, UH, WEST, EXCUSE ME, EAST SIMILAR SI UH, SIGN THEME, UH, CARRIES OVER, UM, OR THAT WAS, UH, ALSO APPROVED.
SO THE TWO ADDITIONAL GROUND SIGNS ARE, UH, CIRCLED IN RED.
UH, THOSE ARE THE GAS STATION PRICE SIGNS HERE AT THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE EAST.
THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE SITE, UH, ON OLD TROY PIKE, THESE TWO SIGNS ARE THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER IDENTIFICATION SIGNS THAT WERE APPROVED ORIGINALLY, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS FAR AS CONDITION, NUMBER ONE, UM, THOSE CONDITIONS ALL RELATED TO THE CIRCULATION OF THE, OF THE SI OF, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE CIRCULATION, THE SIGNS USES AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
THOSE CONDITIONS REMAIN IN EFFECT IN OUR MOVING FORWARD.
THE TWO GROUND SIGNS, UH, ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES ILLUSTRATE TWO GROUND SIGNS IN THE, THE, THE LOCATION THAT WAS APPROVED.
UH, THE GROUND SIGNS ARE SIX FEET, 10, AND A QUARTER INCH.
I DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TO FRET OVER A, A QUARTER OF AN INCH.
SO TO ME, THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, CONSISTENT, UH, AS FAR AS CONDITION NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT WAS, SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL ENGINEERING BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
THEY DID RAISE THE CANOPY HEIGHT SLIGHTLY TO, UH, ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IN THE PACKET, THERE WAS A LETTER FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, REGARDING A, UH, CURB RADIUS.
IT'S, I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT'S A MINOR CHANGE THAT WE WILL MAKE JUST DURING PERMITTING, BUT IT'S BASICALLY ENLARGING, UH, ENLARGING THE RADIUS OF A LONG, OLD, UH, OLD TROY PIPE TO BASICALLY MAKE KIND OF AN ARC SO THAT THE FIRE TRUCK CAN BASICALLY MAKE A 180, UH, INTO THE SITE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A MINOR, MINOR CHANGE.
OH, AND THE FOURTH ONE WAS, UH, THE APPLICANT SHE'LL UPDATE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO REFLECT ALL THE CONDITIONS AND PROS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IS REALLY THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY, UM, BY COUNCIL, AS FAR AS ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
AGAIN, THE, UM, THE REVISED, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SUBMITTED, UM, TO YOU AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, THIS BASIC, THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REFLECTS ALL OF THOSE, UH, CHANGES THAT WERE, UH, REQUIRED, UH, MENTIONED THE CAR WASH.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS NUMBER SEVEN, NO ZONING CERTIFICATES ARE, ARE REALLY EVER ISSUED UNTIL THE, UH, P UD AGREEMENT IS EXECUTED.
AND WE RECEIVE SOME SORT OF SURETY, UH, INSTRUMENT, EITHER CHECK BOND, ET CETERA, LINE OF CREDIT LETTER OF CREDIT FOR THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO AS FAR AS SORT OF MORE OF THE MEAT OF THE ZONING CODE, AND I REALIZED I, UH, UPDATED THIS WITH THE, OKAY, NOT EVERYTHING SAVED IN WHAT I DID.
UH, SO LET ME GET TO THE LANDSCAPING, UH, ON HERE.
SO THERE ARE, UH, THREE LINE, UH, WALL SIGN, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE SIGN PACKAGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH A LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH 1189 OF THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THERE ARE SORT OF THREE WALL TYPE WALL SIGN TYPES.
UM, OVERALL, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, 233 SQUARE FOOT OF, OF SIGNAGE.
UM, RECENTLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED 246, UH, SQUARE FOOT OF SIGNAGE FOR DISCOUNT TIRE NEXT DOOR.
AS FAR AS WALL SIGNS, THE CODE, UH, SUGGESTS A MAXIMUM OF 150 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THIS APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 117 SQUARE FEET, UH, SPREAD AMONG FIVE SIGNS, PRETTY MODEST IN SIZE, UH, THE CANOPY SIGNS.
SO THE BUILDING IS ON TWO FRONTAGES, UM, TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.
MY INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE IS THAT, UM, THE, THEY COULD GET UP TO 75% OR EXCUSE
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ME, 50% OF 150 SQUARE FEET.SO THE MAXIMUM CANOPY SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, ON THIS SITE IS, UH, SHOULD BE 75 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING THREE CANOPY SIGNS WITH A TOTAL OF ONLY 46 SQUARE FEET.
SO AGAIN, UH, LESS THAN WHAT THE CODE, UH, PRESCRIBES, UH, SAME WAY WITH THE GROUND SIGN, THE GROUND SIGN TOTAL AREA IS, UH, ONLY 70 SQUARE FEET.
UM, HERE ARE, SO THERE ARE THREE, THREE LIKE ID OR CORPORATE WALL SIGNS.
THERE'S ONE HERE, THERE'S ONE ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND THEN, UH, ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS THIS WALL SIGN HERE THAT SAYS, MADE ORDER.
AND THEN ON THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE'S ANOTHER SMALL WALL SIGN THAT SAYS, UH, 24 HOURS, THERE ARE THREE MODEST, UH, CANOPY SIGNS, UH, THIS ONE, AND THEN ON THE TWO END CAPS.
SO I THINK THE SIGNAGE IS, IS MODERATE.
I THINK, UH, MISS BARGO, I THINK YOU, YOU MENTIONED CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT SORT OF THE, THE MISCELLANEOUS SIGNS, ALL THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THERE ARE REALLY ONLY TWO DIRECTIONAL SIGN SIGNS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, ONE IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH WHICH IS, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH INTEREST AS WELL AS THE, THE SAFETY BAR, UH, FOR VEHICLES TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE CLEARANCE, AS WELL AS THE ORDER BOARD, UH, AND THE SIGN ASSOCIATED WITH THE MENU BOARD.
SO THIS IS REALLY THIS CLUSTER HERE, UM, IS RIGHT HERE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE IN AND OUT AND, AND ALL OF THOSE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THAT THE CHICKEN PLACE HAD.
AND, UH, THE, THE, I FORGET THE OTHER TWO, THE, THE DONUT PLACE.
SO SIGNIFICANTLY LESS SIGNAGES BEING PROPOSED HERE THAN HAS BEEN PROPOSED OR APPROVED IN OTHER, UH, AREAS ON THIS, UH, SITE.
SO LANDSCAPING, UM, THIS, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, THAT HAS BOTH A MIXTURE OF STREET AND SHADE TREES AND, AND BUSHES AND, AND, AND GROUND COVER.
UM, AS FAR AS STREET TREES, THEY HAVE THE PRESCRIBED NUMBER OF STREET TREES THAT IS, IS REQUIRED, UM, RATHER THAN SPACING THEM ON AT 40 FEET ON CENTER.
THEY'RE CLUSTERING THEM, UH, IN AREAS ALONG BOTH, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, I'M FINE WITH THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, ARE CLUSTERING THEM.
I THINK THAT WILL REDUCE THE, UM, THE, THE CONCERN FROM THE, THE, UH, THE CONCERN ABOUT THIS, THE TREES BLOCKING, UM, THE WALL SIGNS, WHICH THEN LEADS TO SIGNIFICANT TRIMMING IF NOT REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES.
SO BY CLUSTERING THEM, I BELIEVE THEY STILL MAINTAIN THOSE SIGHT LINES TO THE SIGNAGE.
AND SO I THINK THE TREES WILL, WILL GROW MORE FULLY THAN PERHAPS, UH, THEY WOULD OTHERWISE THE PER PERIMETER AND PARKING AREA LANDSCAPING IS, IS QUITE, UH, SIGNIFICANT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, A NUMBER OF HEDGES PLANNING BEDS, UH, AND THEN ALSO A PER PERIMETER TREE LINE ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE SITE.
UM, THE FUELING AREA IS A PERIMETER OF, UH, FLOWERING SIM, SEMI EVERGREEN, UH, SHRUBS.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PARKING AREA IS PLANTING OF, UH, JAPANESE HOLLY, WHICH IS A PRETTY DENSE BUSH.
UH, ALSO CAN GROW UPWARDS OF 10 FEET IF IT'S, UH, NOT PRUNED, BUT IT CAN WITHSTAND HEAVY PRUNING, UH, AND STILL FLOURISH WELL IN, IN THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO THAT DENSE HEDGE SHOULD REALLY DISRUPT ANY HEADLIGHTS IMPACTING THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN THE ARBA ID IS, UH, QUITE SUBSTANTIAL ALONG THAT, UM, EAST BUFFER THAT EAST LINE.
SO I ALWAYS GET THE NAME, I WANNA CALL IT GROUCH REMARKS.
I THINK THIS IS EDWARD GOCHO, UH, IS THE, UH, ACTUAL, UH, NAME OF, OF THIS, UH, PLANT.
UH, THIS IS THE, IS BEING PROPOSED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE, THE FUELING AREA, UH, HERE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE JAPANESE HOLLY THAT IS ALONG THE PARKING AREA, WHICH WILL, IS A PRETTY THICK HEDGE AND EVERGREEN HEDGE, WHICH WILL HELP, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFUSE, UH, ANY HEADLIGHTS THAT, THAT MIGHT OCCUR HERE ALONG WITH PLANTING BEDS THAT ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO THE SIGNS.
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OF THE TREES.YOU CAN SEE TREE CLUSTER HERE, TREE CLUSTER HERE, UH, AS WE HEAD FURTHER EAST, UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE ARB VITI THAT IS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, A ROW, UH, THICK, DENSE ROW OF THE JAPANESE, UH, HOLLY HERE, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE GOUT SHOW, UH, UP TO THE, TO THE NORTH QUESTIONS ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
UH, IS JAPANESE HOLLY, THE ONE THAT HAS THE STICKERS ON IT? THE BRIERS, IT'S NOT LIKE A TRADITIONAL HOLLY THAT HAS A BIG THICK STICKER LEAF TO IT.
NO, UM, IT, IT IS A WAXY LEAF, BUT IT IS NOT ONE THAT IF YOU FALL INTO THE BUSH, YOU IT'S REALLY GONNA HURT.
UH, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I, YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU THIS NOW.
UM, THE, THE, UM, APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTER ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, DO WE HAVE ANYWHERE IN THERE THAT THAT IS TO BE MAINTAINED AND IS THERE TO BE ANY KIND OF, UM, LANDSCAPING IN THAT, OR WILL IT JUST BE SIMPLY FLAT LAND? I THINK WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IF IT IS THAT IT'S NOT GROWN UP WITH WEEDS AND I'M, I'M SURE THAT YEAH, THE, SO THEY DON'T WANT TO AN UNSIGHTLY SITE, BUT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IT IS MAINTAINED.
SO I TURNED OFF THE TURF LAYER, UM, TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO SEE, BUT THIS IS, THIS WILL BASICALLY BE GRASS, UM, ALL, ALL THROUGH HERE.
UH, AND THEN PERIMETER LANDSCAPING HERE ALONG THE EDGES, BUT WILL THEY KEEP THE GRASS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
CUZ THIS WILL STILL NEED THIS.
THEY'RE STILL RETAINING OWNERSHIP.
THEY WILL BE MOWING THIS AND MAINTAINING IT LIKE A LAWN.
AND JUST DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN WRITING.
YEAH, NO, THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE CODE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THIS ISN'T A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SITE FIELD, SO TO SPEAK MM-HMM
WELL, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE THERE, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT AS A, I, I THINK IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT WILL BE NEAR WHERE RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, IN EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN, ONE OF THE MAIN DRY AISLES BACK INTO THE SITE IS, IS RIGHT ON HERE.
SO ON THE, UM, THE CLUSTERING OF THE TREES.
WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT EXCESSIVE PRUNING AT, AT A FUTURE DATE ON SOME OTHER AREAS, BUT IF WE CLUSTER THEM TOGETHER, DON'T WE HAVE THEM FIGHTING FOR EACH OTHER.
ONCE THEY START TO BECOME MATURE TREES AND THEN YOU START LOSING TREES.
SO THEY'RE SPREAD OUT TO WHERE, SO THE SPREAD I BELIEVE ON, ON THE TREES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ABOUT 30 FEET.
UM, I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE.
IS THERE PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.
IS THAT PART OF THE P D WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE P D THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE 34, I BELIEVE 34 TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO I'VE SEEN A LOT IN LIKE, EVEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY, THEY WERE PLANTED TOO CLOSE AND THEY'VE GROWN INTO EACH OTHER AND YOU HAVE TO PICK WHICH ONE YOU'RE TAKEN OUT.
AND BECAUSE I MEAN, TO ME, IS IT PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THE TREES? ALSO SOME OF THE STORM WATER, RUNOFF AND MANAGEMENT, AS FAR AS THE CITY SIDE GOES, I MEAN, IT, DOESN'T, IT HELP FACILITATE A LITTLE BIT OF ABSORPTION.
SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT COLLECTS THE RAIN ON THE, ON THE LEAVES.
IT DOES, UH, KEEP SOME FROM GOING INTO THE, INTO THE STORM SYSTEM.
IT ALSO DISRUPTS THE HEAT COMING OFF OF, OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, SO IT'S THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN OF WORRYING ABOUT, I MEAN, I GET, THEY WANT VISIBILITY, BUT IF WE'RE SPREADING IT OFF TO THE CORNERS AND THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE MIDDLE, IF IT DOES FACILITATE THINGS THAT BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN I THOUGHT ALSO THE GREEN SPACE, FORMERLY THE CAR WASH, I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL WAS A BEAUTIFICATION OF THE AREA IN SOME FASHION IS, SO IS THAT SOMEWHERE THAT WE SHOULD BE, IF TREES ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE AREA, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN THAT SPACE, SINCE IT IS A LARGE GRASS LOT? I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HERE.
UH, THE, THE SPAN BETWEEN LET'S THIS, THIS TREE AND THIS TREE, I BELIEVE IS, UH, 80 FEET, THAT'S THE LONGEST RUN.
SO IF LIKE ONE TREE WERE PLACED HERE, THEY BASICALLY HAVE HAD IT COVERED.
WHICH WOULD PROVIDE MORE SHADE ALONG THE SIDEWALK FOR WALKERS PLUS COVERING THE CANOPY OF THE PARKING LOT.
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING FROM HEAT DISPERSION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I DID HAVE A FINAL QUESTION.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE CLUSTERING, UH, WHEN YOU PRESENTED IT, YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE CLUSTERED SO THAT IT
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WOULDN'T BLOCK THE WALL SIGNS.AND I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE CLUSTERING.
SO IT DOESN'T BLOCK TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY AT THE STOP SIGN.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE IT IS TO, UH, TO THE STOP SIGN, BUT THIS HAS BEEN AN, AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN NUMEROUS PLACES THAT AS THE TREES MATURE OR THE BUSHES OR THE LANDSCAPING THAT IT DOES CAUSE A SITE PROBLEM.
THE WAY THE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, UM, THERE SHOULD NOT, THERE WON'T, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY SIGHT LINE ISSUES.
AND I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN, UH, A PROBLEM WITH NOT, UH, PUTTING TREES IN THAT VACANT AREA BECAUSE IN A YEAR'S TIME THEY MAY BE WANTING TO, TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THERE YOU'VE GOT A TREE, UH, OR IN THE PERIMETER PERHAPS.
UM, BUT I'M JUST MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT MAIN KEEPING IT MAINTAINED.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SCREEN WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS, UH, WHERE THE ROAD IS GOING ALONG, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES INTO THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
IS THERE GOING TO BE A, UM, CURB THERE OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, OUTLINE OF THAT? SO THIS WILL BE CURVED, UH, AS YOU COME UP, THIS IS ALSO A CURB.
WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS IN THAT ARE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WERE ANY, THE INTERIOR RENTAL, THERE ARE INTERNAL SIDEWALKS THROUGH, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
THERE, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT CONNECT PARKING AREAS TO THE VARIOUS, UM, BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE, THERE'S NO INTERNAL SIDEWALK SYSTEM PERIMETER SIDEWALKS IN A LONG TAYLORS VILLAIN IN TROY PIKE.
I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING WITH BROADREACH, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN, UH, WALKWAYS THROUGH THERE TO, JUST FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND IN THERE, THERE.
SO I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THERE, THERE COULD BE A, A PEDESTRIAN PATH FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
BUT AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS AREA, IT'S ONLY PERIMETER SIDEWALKS ALONG TAYLORSVILLE AND ULTRA PIKE, AS FAR AS LIGHTING.
UM, THE, UH, PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED SHOWS THAT THERE IS NO LIGHT TRESPASS FROM, FROM THIS SITE ONTO THE ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY, UH, AREA, OR, UH, REALLY MUCH INTO THE STREET.
ALTHOUGH THE STREET ALSO HAS STREET LIGHTS, UH, SO THAT, THAT REALLY IS NOT AN ISSUE.
UM, THE PARKING AREAS ARE ILLUMINATED TO CODE AND THE POLE HEIGHTS AND THE LUMINARY, UH, TYPES MEET THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THERE IS, UH, SCREENING AROUND THE, THE DUMPSTER AREA, UH, THAT'S ENCLOSED AND SCREENED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THE INTERIOR PROGRAMMING OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE WAS, WAS UNKNOWN.
UM, SO WHAT, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING CODE IS BASED ON IS HOW MUCH RETAIL AREA IS AVAILABLE IN THE, IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE, ALONG WITH, UH, EMPLOYEES.
SO THE RETAIL OF THE 60 OF THE 6,158, UH, SQUARE FEET, ONLY 2,500 SQUARE FEET IS ACTUALLY RETAIL FLOOR AREA.
SO WHEN YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER, ALONG WITH EMPLOYEES, UH, THE CODE ONLY REQUIRES 28 SPACES.
THERE WERE, UH, 49 SPACES THAT I CAN, THERE WERE 49 SPACES THAT I CONSIDERED PARKING SPACES, UH, ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF YOU COUNTED UP ALL THE PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING THE VACUUM, UM, THERE WERE ROUGHLY, UH, 55, I BELIEVE.
UM, THIS SITE PLAN SHOWS 51, UH, PARKING SPACES AS WELL AS, UH, PLENTY OF ROOM TO STACK.
SO THIS IS WELL WITHIN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURE, THE MAIN BUILDING IS CLAD WITH, UH, BRICKSTONE AND GLASS, THE FUEL AND CANOPY, UH, SUPPORTS ARE PARTIALLY CLA IN BRICK MATCHING THE MAIN BUILDING.
UH, AND THE ARCHITECTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS IN THE ZONING CODE.
SO STAFF ANALYSIS, IT'S MY VIEW THAT THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, CONFORMS TO THE REVISED TO BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
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DEVELOPMENT PLAN GENERALLY CONFORMS TO ALL OF THE OTHER RELEVANT ZONING REGULATIONS, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, PARKING, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.I DO WANT TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, BASED ON A CASE THAT NEVER CAME FORWARD, BUT THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS DO, UM, SHOW ACCESSORY SALES DISPLAYS, INCLUDING, UM, ICE MACHINES AND PROPANE TANKS AND, AND MISCELLANEOUS FLUID SALES.
GIVEN THAT RECENT DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT OUTDOOR, UM, SALES AND DISPLAYS, I RECOMMEND PROHIBITING, UM, OUTDOOR SALES AND STORAGE AND DISPLAYS OF ANY PRODUCT IN THE PARKING AREA OR ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE FUELING AREA.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S FINE THAT SALES BE, UH, AND DISPLAYS BE ALONG THE BUILDING WALLS AND THEN UNDER THE CANOPY AREA.
BUT, UM, WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THOSE OUTDOOR SALES AND THOSE PALLETIZED STUFF, UH, ON THE PERIMETER EDGE.
SO STACK REPS, I RECOMMEND LIMITING THE OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAYS TO THE EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL OR UNDER THE FUELING CANOPY.
SO IT'S, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION OR MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 9 HAVE BEEN MET, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED ON AUGUST 19TH WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT CONFORM TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED ON AUGUST 8TH AND THAT OUTDOOR SALES, STORAGE, AND DISPLAYS OF ANY PRODUCT SHALL BE PROHIBITED TO ANY PARKING AREA ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING AND FUELING AREA OR IN TRAVEL AISLES, OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED ALONG THE EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL.
AND UNDER THE FUELING CAN CANOPY SO LONG AS ADA CLEARANCES ARE MAINTAINED.
YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR ME.
COULD, DO YOU MIND GOING BACK AND SHOW ME EXAMPLES OF CANOPY SIGNS? YEAH.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOUGH TO SEE, BUT THEY BASICALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE OVER IT CAN BE WHERE THE FUELING PUMPS ARE.
I WAS, I, I WAS THINKING CANOPY ON THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE SIGNS ON THE FUELING CANOPY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERY? SORRY, I GOT A COUPLE ON THE CANOPIES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE RED PIECES THAT ARE THERE THAT AREN'T SIGNED.
DO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT OR A CODE ON THAT? NOT, NOT THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS, BUT I'VE SEEN, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE METAL OR FABRIC, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME FABRIC ONES AROUND THE CITY THAT HAVE GOT LIKE MOLD AND STUFF COVERED ALL OVER 'EM IF THAT'S THE CORNER ENTRANCE OF THE CITY AT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ADDRESSED THAT BEFORE.
THESE ARE ALL, UH, THESE ARE ALL METAL, SO, BUT SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SIGN THAT SHOWED THE, THE, THE SCREEN THAT SHOWED THE SIGNS, THE TWO BLUE TWO RED? YES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T HEAR SOMETHING WRONG.
SO YOU SAID THE TWO BLUE ARE THE LARGER, UH, SHOPPING CENTER STYLE SIGNS.
I THOUGHT THAT THE ONE ON THE CORNER WAS A SMALL FACE SIGN AND THE ACTUAL MONUMENT SIGN WAS FARTHER UP 2 0 2.
THERE'S A SMALL, MEDIUM EN LARGE.
SO THIS IS THE SMALLER OF THE TWO IT'S, UH, ABOUT, I BELIEVE SIX IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET HEIGHT.
AND IT IT'S, THAT'S THE SMALL, THIS ONE IS I BELIEVE, APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET.
UM, AND THEN THE LARGER ONE IS FURTHER DOWN THAT'S THAT? I WAS AFRAID THAT I HEARD YOU SAYING THE BIG ONE WAS THE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'SS A LITTLE FOUR, THAT'S THE LARGER ONE, BUT THE SMALLER OF ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND THEN ON THE CAR WASH WHERE IT SAYS THEY CAN COME BACK IN A YEAR, I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET THAT APPROVAL? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF PUSHBACK ABOUT IT AND THEY ADMIT IT.
I MEAN, IN THE VERY FIRST MEETING HERE THAT THEY AREN'T MARRIED TO THE CAR WASH.
WE'RE HERE FROM SHEETS AND WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THE CAR WASH, NOT QUITE THAT FAST, BUT ALMOST, YEAH.
SO WHY IS THERE A NEED TO LEAVE A FUTURE REVISITING IN THERE OF A YEAR FROM NOW? UM, SO I THINK THERE WAS FOR TWO REASONS, ONE JUST IN CASE THE CAR WASH CONCERN WENT AWAY THAT SOME OF THE OTHER OPERATORS MAYBE GOT THEIR TRAFFIC SITUATION UNDER CONTROL.
UM, SO THIS DID LEAVE THEM AN OPTION, BUT, UH, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT WAS TO REVISIT THIS ISSUE AT 60 DAYS AT 90 DAYS AT 180 DAYS.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH IT FOR, FOR, WITHOUT A YEAR.
AND THEN IF IT'S, IF IT'S REALLY, YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT OPTION, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN REVISIT THAT DISCUSSION BOTH WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH CITY COUNCIL, BUT
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WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THIS FOR SIX MONTHS.SO IT'S SOMETHING THEY JUST HAVE TO COME BACK EITHER WAY.
THEY CAN'T JUST SUBMIT PAPERWORK, CORRECT? NO, IT WOULD BE NOW IT WOULD BE A, A CHANGE TO THE BASIC, UH, PROBABLY TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN.
BUT I THINK BOTH WHAT I HEARD FROM, FROM THIS BODY AND THEN ALSO CITY COUNCIL WAS WE WANTED TO SEE THIS IN OPERATION AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT THIS ISSUE RIGHT.
AND THEN THE SPACES THERE WHERE WE'RE KEEPING THE SPACES BY WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE CAR WASH? UM, WELL, ONE ARE ALL THE PARKING SPACES STILL AT 10 FEET WIDE.
SO I KNOW THEY WERE AT ONE POINT, THEY'RE SAYING, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THE, THE, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE DI OR THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PARKING CHANGED AT ALL.
WHAT WAS, I, I THINK THEY TOOK THREE QUARTERS OF THE ROW THAT WAS HERE FOR THE, WITH THE VACUUM PUMPS AND BASICALLY FILLED THIS, THIS LITTLE SECTION IN OKAY.
AND WHERE WE HAVE THE EXTRA SPACES OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PLANS OR THOUGHT OF IF WE'RE USING EV CHARGING OVER THERE.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEAL DESIGN FOR A LOT OF THAT NOW IS TO HAVE IT KIND OF RIGHT OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND GET SOMETHING.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ANYTHING THAT WE KNOW IT HAS COME UP.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, UH, A DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH MAYBE SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING AS PART OF LARGE PARKING LOTS, EV CHARGING STATIONS.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT A FUELING CENTER WANTS TO PUT THAT IN OR NOT IS A, IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
BUT, UH, OUR CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A CONVERSATION WE, WE SHOULD HAVE.
WE'RE CERTAINLY SEEING THEM MORE AND MORE.
UM, AND I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE GROUND SIGNS, CAUSE I KNOW IT SAID THE SIX FOOT 10 AND I GUESS, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS COVERED, BUT IS THERE A REASON WE'RE NOT HOLDING THIS TO THE SAME SIX FOOT THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE EMERGENCY ROOM ASKED FOR A VARIANCE WHEN THEY WERE ON A DECLINE ON AN INCLINE AND WE HAD TO HOLD THEM TO THE SIX FOOT.
UM, I KNOW IT'S ONLY 10 INCHES, BUT THAT GOES BOTH WAYS.
IF WE SAY, WELL, THEY'RE ONLY ASKING FOR 10 INCHES, WE SAY, I'M ONLY ASKING YOU TO COME DOWN 10 INCHES TO BE CONSISTENT.
WELL, SO THEY STARTED WITH 30 FEET.
UM, WELL THAT WAS NOT AT THAN EVER.
AND, AND SO, UM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY WENT DOWN TO, TO SIX FOOT, 10 INCHES.
I THINK THAT PROPORTIONALLY, UM, WHEN, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET FOR BOTH OLD TROY PIKE AND, AND, UH, TAYLORSVILLE, THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE BIG ENOUGH.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ IT, ESPECIALLY THE GAS PRICE SIGNS.
SO I THINK THIS PROPORTIONALLY WORKS.
UM, AND, AND SO I, I JUST THINK PERSONALLY FOR ME, IT'S SETS A BAD STANDARD THAT FOR EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAST APPLICANT, RIGHT IN THIS AREA, WE'RE HELD TO THAT SAME, THAT SIX FOOT.
AND IN THIS ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING I PERSONALLY AM HUNG UP ON.
I, I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS ON IN THIS KIND.
IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HAS A, THE PRICES ARE CHANGING AND OF COURSE IS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE STATIC AND SIGN.
I, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE SAYS, AND WE REALLY NEED TO STICK WITH IT.
AND ONCE WE START DEVIATING FROM IT, IT'S DRILL EASY TO SAY, WELL, IT'S ONLY THIS MANY INCHES AND THE NEXT TIME IT'S A FEW MORE AND LET'S JUST STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT DOWN IN A HOLE.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REASON FOR THAT EXTRA 10 INCHES.
WELL, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS UP TO SIX FOOT, 10 INCHES.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS SIX FEET THAT WHAT WAS APPROVED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SIX FEET, 10 INCHES FOR THIS ONLY FOR THIS ONLY FOR THIS.
AND I WASN'T, I MEAN, I GUESS WE CAN BRING THE FOUNDATION DOWN A QUARTER OF AN INCH, BUT NO, ONE'S GONNA NOTICE THAT.
UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE SIGN WHERE IT SHOWS OR THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE DUMPSTERS? YES.
SO CAN WE, I MEAN, I, I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO PUT IN THERE AS FAR AS A STANDARD RIGHT NOW, BUT BEING THAT THAT'S NOT TUCKED IN A CORNER THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE DOORS PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND CLOSED, WHICH ISN'T A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU FIRST OPEN THAT'S, THE DOORS ARE GREAT, THEN IT'S OVERTIME OPENING AND CLOSING.
THEY GET THE HANGING OUT THERE, TWISTED UP.
UH, AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT FOR TAKING TRASH OUT FROM THE RESTAURANT SLASH CONVENIENCE STORE, THERE'S PROBABLY A TRASH CART THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE WHEELING TRASH OUT THERE.
DO WE AT LEAST HAVE A, AN AR A WIDE ENOUGH WALKWAY FOR THEM, FOR AS GETTING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND ALL THAT WITHOUT BEING IN THE DRIVE LANES? WELL, SO
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THEY WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO DOWN THIS PATH AND THEN, AND OUT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THAT PATH IS A WALKWAY FOR THEM, AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY WIDER THAN A STANDARD SIDEWALK AND IT'LL BE AT GRAY HERE.AND THEN DO WE NEED TO DO ANY ROAD MARKING OR IS THERE ANY TIME TO CONSIDER ROAD MARKING RIGHT THERE WHERE YOUR MOUSE IS NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC DOESN'T GET BACKED UP, BLOCKING THE ROADWAY FROM, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH? SO THEY HAVE, UM, PAINTED SORT OF STOP BAR RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE ROAD MARKINGS IN THE, UM, IN THE DRIVE PATH, BUT THERE'S NO ROAD MARKINGS ON THE, ON THE MAIN TRAVEL AISLE, BUT THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW, UH, MARKINGS ON THE, ON THE PAVEMENT ITSELF.
I MEAN, THAT'S MOST OF WHAT I HAD I'M UH, OH, ON THE FRONT SIDE, I'M SORRY.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF THE DRAWING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, NOTHING SHOWS THE ADDITIONAL LANE THAT'S GOING IN.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING INCLUDE THAT.
UM, CUZ THERE'S TWO LANES THERE NOW AND THE DETAILED PLAN, THE ONE THAT WE HAD THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED THE ROADWAY IN FRONT ON 2 0 2 STILL HAS THE SAME TWO LANES.
AND WE'RE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL LANE PUT IN INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND IT STILL INCLUDES ALL THE SETBACKS FROM THAT LANE INTO THE SIDEWALKS, INTO THEIR BUILDINGS.
SO, SO THIS, THE DRAWING REFLECTS WHAT WILL BE BUILT APP APP APPROPRIATELY, RIGHT WITH THE LANE PUT IN.
AND THEN IS IT, IS IT SAFE TO SAY, OR DO WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT NONE OF THESE PROJECTS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL GET OCCUPANCY PERMITS BEFORE THAT LANE IS COMPLETED? THAT BROAD REACH IS AGREED AND COMMITTED TO BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD AT THE BEGINNING THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE IN TANDEM AND THAT BY THE TIME THIS THING WAS OPEN, THE ROADS WOULD BE IN, BUT I KNOW BROADREACH IS A LITTLE BEHIND AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S A STRUCTURE GOING UP ALREADY.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NOT A FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT YET.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE AGREEMENT, BUT THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING AND CUTTING ROADS AND PUTTING IN THE DUCTILE AISLE, WATER PIPES.
AND UH, I THINK IT WILL ALL BE DONE.
CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET IT OPEN AND THEN SAY, WELL NOW LET'S DO THE ROAD OUT HERE.
WELL, AND, AND NEITHER DO THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT IN ALL OF THIS.
AND THEN THEY'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSTRUCTION, UH, MESS ON THREE, TWO SIDES OF THEIR, OF THEIR BUILDING.
AND THEN ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY APPROVAL CONTINGENT TO THAT? MULTI-TENANT BUILDING NOT BEING ALLOWED TO PUT ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT IN, NOT ACCORDING, NOT ON THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS, THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT SEPARATELY.
IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THESE GUYS.
IT JUST, THE, THE PROJECT ALL ALONG, I FEEL HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN POOR FAITH FROM BROAD REACH MYSELF.
I MEAN, WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA END UP IN THAT SECTION NOW WITH STARBUCKS DUNKING, POPEYE'S A SHEETS DRIVE THROUGH AND ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH ALL IN THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT THE BEGINNING.
THE ONLY THING, SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT EXTRA LANE, UH, AT ONE TIME WE WERE WAITING FOR, UH, THE CITY WAS WAITING TO HAVE FUNDS TO DO THAT EXTRA LANE.
HAVE THOSE FUNDS BEEN IDENTIFIED.
SO BROADREACH IS PUTTING IN THE, THE LANE HERE ON TAYLORSVILLE AND THE LANE, UH, HEADING NORTH IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN, IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING THE NEXT SECTION FORWARD.
SO THIS IS THIS SECTION WE'RE PRETTY SURE IS GOING TO BE OPENED BEFORE ANY OF THE, OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE PROVING.
I WOULD, I WOULD ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT.
AND I ASSUME THAT THE TENANTS ARE HOPING THAT AS WELL.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS BROAD REACH IS TAKEN FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO ME LEE WAY.
AND THE CITY'S FROM MERRILEE TO THE HIGHWAY CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I KNEW IT
SO IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND UH, I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE, OR DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
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UH, AARON DID A GREAT JOB THERE.UH, REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD.
JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M KAREEM, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER OF SKILL AND GOLD WITH ME.
I'M JOSH LONG, UH, SPEARHEADING OUR ENGINEERING EFFORTS AS WELL AS DAVID FROM THE SHEETS TEAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID AS BEST AS WE CAN AS WE COMPLY AND INTEGRATE INTO THE BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAINLY, UH, AT THIS CORNER AND INTO YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COULD YOU SPELL YOUR NAME PLEASE? YES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS RIGHT AHEAD.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, JUST THE BIG OPEN, VAST FIELD AS FAR AS GREEN SPACE.
I MEAN, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO THINGS THERE? IF WE SAID EVEN LIKE, IF WE HAVE, IF STREET TREES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ALONG THE STREETS, IF THAT'S A 40 FOOT GAP IN STREETS OR, I MEAN ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST, HEY, LOOK, IT'S A GRASS LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, STREETS IS ALWAYS OPEN TO WORKING AND I'LL LET DAVID SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.
BUT, UH, IF, IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU GUYS HAD IN MIND OR NO, I JUST, I HAD HEARD THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A BEAUTIFIED AREA, GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF JUST A BEAR LOT IS WHAT I THOUGHT THAT COUNCIL HAD DISCUSSED.
UM, SO I JUST SAW THE, A LAWN AND THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS PRETTY BASIC, BUT YEAH, AT THE MOMENT, THERE, THERE ARE NO PLANS THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PRIORITY WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CAR WASH SEEMED TO BE A CAUSE HEARTBURN.
SO WE WANTED TO, TO, TO COMPLY AND, AND GET THAT OFF OF THERE.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE PLANS FOR IT.
IT'S JUST A BIG SPOT OF NOTHING THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
CAUSE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE AREA.
WELL I KNOWS SHE'S, UH, WILL BE MOWING IT AND MAINTAINING IT AND CERTAINLY WILL MAKING IT.
IT'LL BE A REALLY NICE LOOKING BETTER THAN A GRAPH AT LEAST BETTER THAN IT LOOKED BEFORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE, UH, ZONING CASE AND WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, WHAT MR. JEFFRIES HAD HAD REQUESTED AS FAR AS ADDING SOME KIND OF VERBIAGE ON THE, UH, TREE CLUSTER, AS FAR AS ONE TREE OUT ONE TREE IN TYPE VERBIAGE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO WORD THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, WE COULD SAY THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL MAINTAIN 34 STREET TREES ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND IF THEY GROW TOO BIG AND WE NEED TO CUT ONE DOWN, THEN MAYBE WE MOVE IT TO THE CORNER.
IF THE, IF THE CAR WASH DOESN'T, UH, GET CONSTRUCTED, WE CONSIDER THOSE INTERNAL, UM, DRY AISLES OF STREETS.
AND WE CAN BEGIN TO LINE THAT UP, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIVE YEARS OUT ON SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH.
AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS IT JUST BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WHERE SOME JUST DON'T SURVIVE AS A RESULT.
AND IF IT'S A, AN ISSUE, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION NOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT IN LANDSCAPING ENOUGH TO TELL YOU OTHER THAN THAT, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW TO AVOID IT.
OTHER THAN PROBABLY DON'T GROW.
THEY SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH TO GROW INTO EACH OTHER.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO PUT IN THE DECISION RECORD OR JUST BY MENTIONING IT ON THE RECORD ITSELF? I I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I, I, I WOULDN'T BE ALRIGHT WITH IT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THE OTHER ISSUE, UM, MS. OP, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT SIX FOOT SIGN? I SIX FOOT 10.
I THINK I THOUGHT IT WAS SIX FOOT.
I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE 10 INCHES.
WELL, I THINK WE ALL ARE IN, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT SHOULD BE SIX FOOT.
UH, DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT INTO THE DECISION RECORD, BUT, BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT COUNCIL SAID FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT IT WOULD BE SIX FOOT 10, SO WE CAN'T, IT WAS NOT TO EXCEED.
SO THE ORDINANCE SAYS NOT TO EXCEED, BUT THE INTENT IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNSEL AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND APPROVED DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SIX FOOT, 10 INCHES THEN THAT'S.
SO I THINK THAT THE INTENT WAS TO APPROVE SIX FOOT, 10 INCHES.
NOW MOVING FORWARD, THE DIRECTION I'M GIVEN, I, I CAN TELL IS HOLD IT HARD, A HARD LINE AT SIX FOOT, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, INQUIRIES FROM OTHER GAS STATIONS.
AND SO WE WILL HOLD THAT LINE.
I WOULD JUST SAY PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I'M NOT TOO LOCKED IN AT THE, THE SIX FOOT MYSELF, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE CODE IS.
AND WE HAVE HELD THAT RIGHT IN THAT
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ENTIRE PROJECT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO STARBUCKS.I MEAN, STARBUCKS WANTED MORE THAN SIX BEFORE ANY OF THIS EVER CAME ALONG AND THEY WERE TOLD NO.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE NOW AND THE MEDICAL CENTER ACROSS THE, THE STREET.
AND IT WAS ON A HILL MM-HMM
SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT SILK AND GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED 6,138 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION AND CANOPY PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD CASE DDP 2233 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATE IS SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED, MOVED BY MS. VAGO.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES, UH, SECRETARY OF YOU, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. OP YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, I THINK WE'LL NEED TO REVISE ONE OF THE DRAWINGS FOR THE ENTRY, UM, FOR THE TURNING RADIUS OF, UH, THE FIRE TRUCK, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, THEY CAN SUBMIT FOR PERMITS, UM, ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR, ALL THEIR ENGINEERING, UM, COMPLETED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT THOMAS UCSA IS A REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING TO P ONE PLAN PLEA.
YEAH, P ONE PLAN INDUSTRIAL, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPOSED LOT FOR OVERNIGHT TRUCK PARKING FUTURE AND FUTURE REPAIR SERVICE GARAGE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED THE CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, R Z BDP 22 DASH 35.
THIS CASE ALSO HAS, UH, HAS, HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO, UH, TO TABLE, UH, UNTIL A FURTHER DAY.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE, THEIR PLANS, UM, AND THE PLANS I DON'T THINK WERE, ARE THE PLANS AREN'T FULLY BAKED WAS PUT IT THAT WAY.
UH, SO, UH, AFTER A CONVERSATION THERE GOING BACK, UM, AND TALKING AMONGST THEMSELVES ABOUT WHAT THE FULL INTENDED REUSE IS AND, AND THE SITE PLAN, I JUST GIVEN THE LOCATION, MY INSTRUCTIONS TO THEM WAS THAT I DID NOT THINK THAT WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING WOULD BE, UM, LOOKED UPON FAVORABLY BY EITHER THIS BOARD OR CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AND SO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND, AND REGROUP.
UM, THEY I'M GIVING THEM ESSENTIALLY UNTIL FRIDAY NEXT FRIDAY, FRIDAY ISH.
UM, AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, UM, THEY CAN, THEY CAN RESUBMIT AT SOME FUTURE DATE.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, UH, TO TABLE MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND BY MS. VAGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. OP YES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO TO, UH, TABLE THIS REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO FU TO A FUTURE DATE.
SO IT'LL BE TO NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING.
AND IF THEY, IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE, THEY'LL JUST NEED TO RESUBMIT.
AND WE'LL START THE WHOLE RE-ADVERTISING PROCESS.
NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA'S APPROVAL MINUTES, UH, UPON NOT HEARING ANY DISCUSSION, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MINUTES FOR AUGUST 9TH, 2022 WOULD BE APPROVED BACK UP HERE AND SAY THAT THAT'S HERE.
UM, WELL, I, THAT HEARING NONE WE'LL APPROVE THOSE MINUTES, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, THE YARD AND COMPANY PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE MOVED TO THE 27TH TO 27TH.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, TODAY.
AND YOU WILL GET, YOU WILL GET ADVANCED COPIES OF IT SO THAT YOU, SO YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW OF PRIOR TO, TO, WHAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT BASICALLY WHAT THEY'VE HEARD FOR THE, AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT THEY'VE HEARD SO FAR IN THEIR EFFORTS, IN THE PUBLIC
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OUTREACH THAT THEY'VE DONE SO FAR.I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
UM, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, UPCOMING MEETINGS.
UH, SO THERE'S THE TWO, THERE'S THE, UM, YARD AND COMPANY PRESENTATION, AS WELL AS POSSIBLY THE TWO, UM, AGENDA ITEMS THAT WERE JUST TABLED.
UM, THERE IS A MINOR CHANGE FOR A CHURCH WHOSE NAME ESCAPES ME, UM, SOFTWARE GROVE.
UH, THEY WANT TO REPLACE THEIR SIGN WITH A, UH, UM, A NEW GROUND SIGN THAT ALSO HAS AN ELECTRONIC, UM, MESSAGE CENTER.
THE, THE, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER AS IT'S DESIGNED IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF CODE.
UM, BUT SO THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU, UM, RATHER THAN JUST BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THERE IS, UH, I ANTICIPATE, UH, ANOTHER APPLICATION, POSSIBLY AN APPLICATION FROM ANOTHER GAS STATION IN 30 TO 45 DAYS LOCATION.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SAY CUZ I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY.
ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MS. MARGO? I, YES.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WE HAD MENTIONED PARTICULARLY ABOUT CANOPY SIGNS AND HOW THEY'RE DETERIORATED IN WITHIN THE CITY.
I HAVE NOTICED AS I DRIVE DOWN RAMP PIKE, THE, UH, WENDY'S SIGN THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
I MEAN, THE, THE, THE POLL IS STILL THERE AND THERE'S JUST A SIGN THAT'S EMPTY.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE LIKE THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WOULD YOU CHECK ON THAT? AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TELL THEM THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
EITHER ENFORCEMENT HAS THEM IN VIOLATION.
I WILL INVESTIGATE THAT AND LET YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS WORKING WITH THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION? NOT THAT I HAVE.