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OKAY,[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.AND THIS IS THE FEMUR HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
THIS IS A JOINT MEETING WITH THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY SYSTEM ACTION COMMISSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2022.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 3.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER AND THAT BEING THE CASE, MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE FOR BOTH ORGANIZATIONS PLEASE? OKAY.
MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
AND THEN FOR THE COMMISSION, UH, DR.
AKINS, MR. GULU, MISS NEWBIE HERE.
MS. PURVIS, MR. STEVENS, MR. RICHARDSON STEGALL.
MRS. STEPHENS, MISS SOMEONE YOU NEED.
YEAH, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOT TO TURN IT ON, ON THE BOTTOM FIRST.
I WAS EXPLAINING, I THINK YOU GUYS WERE TALKING WHEN I EXPLAINED THAT, BUT UH, HOLD IT FOR A FEW SECONDS TILL THE LIGHTS UP AND THEN USE THE BUTTON ON TOP TO MOVE IT BETWEEN RED AND GREEN.
UM, FOR THE RECORD AT OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING, ERIC RICHARDSON DID SAY THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR BOTH BODIES SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH.
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GOOD.SO THE WORK SESSION, UH, THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, THERE'S TWO ITEMS A AND B TWO A AND B A ONE IS TO DISCUSS THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD AND THE OTHER IS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UH, SO, UH, STARTING OFF, I KNOW BRIAN HAS MET WITH THE REFORM COMMITTEE AND ALONG WITH THE CHIEF AND KATIE, UH, TO, TO DISCUSS OR KIND OF BRING US THE, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK, OR IT COULD BE THAT WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION AROUND.
SO WITH THAT CASE, I'LL JUST BE QUIET AND LET BRIAN KIND OF BRING US UP TO DATE.
UM, THE, UH, THE GROUP HAS BEEN MEETING, UH, ASSESSING SUGGESTIONS AND, AND WANTS AND DESIRES BASED ON, UM, UH, SEVERAL TEMPLATES THAT HAD BEEN SUGGESTED BY THE, UH, BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, THE TEMPLATES THAT WE WERE WORKING FROM, UH, JUST SO PEOPLE HAVE A REFERENCE, UH, LAS VEGAS, TOLEDO, GRAND RAPIDS, SYRACUSE, UH, DAYTON HERE, UH, AS WELL AS INDIANAPOLIS AND MUSKEGON.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF, UM, WE'LL CALL IT SOME OF THE INITIAL SOURCE, UM, UH, CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, HAVE BEEN UTILIZED TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER THIS FRAMEWORK.
UM, WE, UH, UH, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, WE MET ON BOTH JULY 18TH, UH, AND AGAIN ON AUGUST 1ST, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A THIRD MEETING, UH, AT THE PRESIDENT.
UH, THE DISCUSSION HAS, UH, IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS, WHICH COUNCIL WE'LL BE SEEING IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE RECOMMENDED, UH, BOARD, UH, REVIEW BOARD, UH, WOULD BE SIZED WITH, UH, SEVEN MEMBERS, UH, ONE REPRESENTING, UH, ONE MEMBER BEING A, UH, AN APPOINTEE FROM THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, FROM THE NAACP.
UH, THERE WOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, PREFERABLY FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT, NOT A CURRENT MEMBER, UH, THAT THERE WOULD ALSO BE A, UH, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A MEMBER ON THE COMMITTEE WHO HAD A, UH, A LEGAL BACKGROUND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT A PRACTICING OR FORMERLY PRACTICING ATTORNEY, UH, WITH SOME EXPERIENCE IN, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS OR CRIMINAL WORK, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UH, LARGEST, UH, ETHNIC GROUP IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.
UH, AND THEN, UH, FROM THE LARGEST AND SECOND LARGEST MINORITY GROUPS, UH, IN THE CITY BASED ON, UH, THE 20, 20 CENSUS POPULATION, UH, EXCUSE ME, 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.
UH, THERE WOULD ALSO BE TWO ADDITIONAL NON-VOTING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, ONE, AN APPOINTEE OF THE POLICE CHIEF, OR THE CHIEF, UH, THEMSELVES, UH, OR THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGERS AT POINT D UH, APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD WOULD FOLLOW THE CURRENT PRACTICES OF THE CITY.
UH, AS OUTLINED IN THE, UH, IS OUTLINED IN THE, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MANUAL.
UH, THE, UH, THE BOARD ITSELF WOULD BE FOCUSED ON, UM, ON REVIEWING AND EVALUATING, UM, CASES THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE IT, UH, AND POSING ANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS LIMITED TO, UH, POLICY AND, UM, TRAINING, UH, WAS THE INITIAL FOCUS OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, BUT THAT IS AN ITEM THAT IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED, UH, BY THE BOARD, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, BY THE WORKING GROUP ABOUT WHAT
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THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE WORTH NOTING.
UM, IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY AND THE CITY'S CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY, UH, SO THAT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH HOW WE OPERATE FROM START TO FINISH.
WE ARE ONLY ONE COMPONENT OF, UH, THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
AND SO, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MEMBERS TO KNOW WHERE OUR ROLES BEGIN AND WHERE OUR ROLES.
AND, UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION AND FURTHER, UM, REVIEWED BY THE COMMITTEE, UH, AT, AT SECOND MEETING.
UH, AND WHILE A GREAT DEAL OF THAT SECOND MEETING WAS ABOUT TIMEFRAMES.
UM, WHEN, UH, WHEN SHOULD MATERIALS BE SUBMITTED, WHEN SHOULD, HOW LONG SHOULD COMPLAINTS BE ALLOWED TO BE FILED AFTER, UM, INITIAL COMPLAINTS ARE, ARE, UM, COMPLETED BY, UH, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT CAME OUT THAT ARE OF NOTE, UH, FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
UH, ONE OF THOSE BEING THAT, UM, ANY COMPLAINT THAT WERE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, WOULD BE A COMPLAINT THAT INVOLVES SOME KIND OF CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, NOT NECESSARILY A GENERALIZED OFFICER CONDUCT, CONCERN LIKE THAT OFFICER WAS RUDE TO ME, OR, UH, I DIDN'T LIKE THE ANSWER THAT I RECEIVED WHEN I FILED MY COMPLAINT.
IT, THERE NEEDED TO BE A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THAT, UH, THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE COMPLAINT AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, UM, UH, TO BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD TO OFFER AN OPINION.
SO THAT AS A PART OF THE PACKET OF MATERIAL, THE BOARD WOULD GET TO REVIEW, UH, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LAW DIRECTOR'S OPINION IN THERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, SOME, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT, UH, NOTING THAT, UM, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT SHOULD HAVE AN ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO, UH, ABSENT OF, UH, ANYONE'S, UH, VOLUNTARY PARTICIPATION, UM, IN THE REVIEW, UH, SWORN STATEMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED DURING THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS WOULD BE SUBSTITUTED FOR, UH, THERE, UH, UH, FOR THAT OFFICER, FOR THAT UNION MEMBERS, UH, TESTIMONY OR APPEARANCE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE, I GUESS I WOULD, WOULD CALL THOSE THE MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE, UH, INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OR TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS.
UH, SO IT'S STILL VERY MUCH A PROCESS, UH, AS FAR AS I'LL PUT IT TOGETHER, A MORE FULL FRAME, UH, APPROACH TO WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, TO GET BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL BASED ON THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING, THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A TENTATIVE FRAMEWORK, UH, IN TIMELINE FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW, UH, PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE A PROGRAM, UM, FOR THIS BOARD, UH, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR OR THE VERY BEGINNING OF 2023.
AND THAT WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO HEAR ANY CASES THAT MAY BE FILED, UH, OR TO HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS THAT MAY BE FILED, UH, IN LATE SPRING OF 2023.
UM, I KNOW MR. STEVENS, UM, IF YOU WANT TO OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR ANY ISSUES THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY.
NO, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB CAPTURING ENOUGH INITIAL FRAMEWORK, WHAT THIS WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT TO LOOK ONLY THING I WANT IT TO JUST BE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON IS, IS THE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CCRB ONLY HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU MENTIONED POLICY OR TRAINING.
SO WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION LAST TIME.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I KIND OF POINTED OUT WAS THAT IN NECESSARILY ONE IN LIMITED TO JUST POLICY OR TRAINING, I WANTED THE CCRB TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY SORT OF RECOMMENDATION, RECOGNIZING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY POWER, RIGHT.
BASICALLY THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY.
THEN THE CITY CAN THEN CHOOSE TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT RECOMMENDATION.
SO JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT TO IT BEING JUST POLICY CHANGES OR TRAINING ONLY.
IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CCRB THEY, THEY, UH, THEY COME UP WITH, THEY CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE CITY FOR THEM TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND HAPPY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL, I GUESS, OR THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE, OR YIELD THE FLOOR BACK TO YOU, SIR.
AND THE GROUP FOR YOUR DISCUSSION.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON THE REVIEW AND THEN, UH, NANCY? UM, YEAH, I'VE BEEN REVIEWING OTHER CITIES ALSO.
AND, UM, I GUESS I'D HAVE TO ASK A BASIC QUESTION HERE.
USUALLY WHEN WE SET UP A, UM, I W USUALLY WHEN A CITY SETS UP A BOARD LIKE THIS, IT'S A, IT'S A DATA-DRIVEN THERE'S STATISTICS THAT PROVE THAT THERE'S A NEED TO DO THIS.
UM, AND, AND I KIND OF LOOK AT IT LIKE, UH, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE STRUCTURE
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THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED IS, IS, IS VERY SOUND FOR WHAT THAT BOARD WOULD DO.UM, I QUESTION, UM, UNTIL WE HAVE A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WHETHER THIS BOARD IS REALLY NECESSARY, UH, I HATE TO ASK PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE TO COMMIT THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENTS, UH, TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, IF WE HAVE NOT YET JUSTIFIED THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS, UM, THIS BOARD.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN.
AND THEN I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM VIA RPC, UM, TO, UH, GO THROUGH THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT CAME OUT OF THE 2020, UM, SENSES.
AND WHILE YOU SUGGESTED BRIAN, THAT WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAD THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF, OF, UH, REPRESENTATION IN THE COMMUNITY, THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT, THAT I SAW, AND MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT, DO NOT BREAK IT DOWN TO REPRESENTING OUR TURKISH COMMUNITY OR OUR INDIAN COMMUNITY, UM, ARE NUMEROUS OTHER WORDS.
IT'S, UH, LIKE IT'S, IT'S, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, IT'S WHITE WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND IT'S, UH, UH, WHITE WITH NO OTHER IT'S, UH, SOME ASIAN, BUT IT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THE DEMOGRAPHICS DID NOT BREAK DOWN THE, UM, THE MANY ETHNIC COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTED HERE.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WOULD DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHO THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE THAT WOULD SIT ON, ON THAT BOARD REPRESENTING THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE INNER CITY.
AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, UM, ON YOUR LADDER COMMENTS THAT, UM, AT LEAST FROM THE CITY STAFF, UH, THAT'S WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION OR WITH THE WORKING GROUP FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE OF THE OPINION.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT OF THE OPINION THAT WHAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT IS SET IN STONE RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO START.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE COULD BE 13 PEOPLE, IT COULD BE FIVE PEOPLE.
IT COULD BE, WE JUST NEED A WAY TO PUT IN PLACE SOME STRUCTURED FRAMEWORK THAT AT LEAST HAS A CONSENSUS OF AGREEMENT AMONGST ALL THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE TO ALLOW THE LAW DIRECTOR TO, UH, LEVIAN TO OUR, TO, AND TO, UH, TO COMMENT ON, UM, AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE, UM, THAT THE BROADER COMMISSION, UH, DIVERSITY COMMISSION CAN WEIGH IN ON AND PROVIDE A COMMENTARY AND SUGGESTION, AND THAT ALL OF COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER, UH, AND WORK FROM AS WELL.
SO, W WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE ELEMENTS OF WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS WORKING GROUP THAT MAY NOT FOR INSTANCE THIS, HOW THE BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT BE SELECTED OR WHY THE BOARD COMPOSITION IS WITH THE BOARD COMPOSITION.
WE'D RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THOSE MIGHT CHANGE THROUGH THE PROCESS AS IT COMES UP FROM OUR WORK GROUP TO COUNCIL TO FINALLY, UH, LEGISLATE.
BUT, UH, YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS NOTED THAT YES, IN THE GENERAL CENSUS, UH, FROM THE GENERAL CENSUS DATA THERE, YOU KNOW, THE GROUPINGS IN AND OF THEMSELVES MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THAT SUGGESTION FEASIBLE BY THE TIME IT COMES TO IT AS A POLICY.
SO THANK YOU FOR ANY OF THE CONSEQUENCES.
I HAD A COUPLE REAL QUICK, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT AS OUTLINED IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MANUAL.
SO THIS WOULD BE A CITY COMMISSION.
THEN UNDER OUR COMMISSIONS, I WAS, FOR SOME REASON I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE CITY, BUT IT WOULD KIND OF BE SEPARATE AND ON ITS OWN KIND OF THING AND NOT TIED TO THE CITY.
YEAH, THERE ARE, THAT IS AN ELEMENT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE VARYING OPINIONS OF, UH, HOW THIS BOARD SHOULD BE STRUCTURED TO WHOM THIS BOARD SHOULD REPORT AND HOW THIS BOARD SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE.
I SHOULDN'T SAY HOW, BUT TO WHOM THIS BOARD SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE, UM, FROM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST PROVIDE THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT THAT BODY LOOKS LIKE, HOW THAT IS DETERMINED, HOW THAT BODY IS APPENDAGE TO, TO OUR ORGANIZATION IS COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
AND WE WILL ALLOW THAT TO BE, UM, THAT IS NOT A SUBJECT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT, UH, AND THE WORKING GROUP, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OPINIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED AT THE WORKING GROUP ABOUT, UH, DOES IT, UM, IS IT INDEPENDENT IN AND OF ITSELF,
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UH, DOES IT, WHO DOES IT, WHO DOES IT SUBMIT ITS REVIEW AND EVALUATION TO? UM, IS IT A BOARD THAT IS ASSOCIATED, UH, TO THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION? IS IT A BOARD THAT IS ASSOCIATED, UM, TO COUNSEL? THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WE, AS I SAID, THE WORKING COMMISSION, UM, AS STAFF, WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE A BOARD THAT FUNCTIONS CORRECTLY, UM, HOW IT REPORTS OR TO WHOM IT REPORTS AGAIN, IS A POLICY DECISION UP TO COUNCIL.SO WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
I KNOW IT WILL COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT COUNCIL CHOOSES TO DO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, WILL BE YOUR PREROGATIVE BASED ON POLICY.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COMPLAINT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR PRIOR TO GOING TO THE BOARD.
IS THAT TO SAY THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS IN HIS OPINION, A VALID COMPLAINT, OR WOULD IT JUST BE REVIEWED? AND THEN HIS COMMENTS WOULD BE ATTACHED TO SAID COMPLAINT TO GO TO THE BOARD.
SO THE THRESHOLD THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE LAW DIRECTOR TO WEIGH IN ON WOULD BE SIMPLY WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPLAINT ITSELF HAS AN ABILITY TO CONSTITUTE A CIVIL RIGHTS COMPLAINT, NOT IN OTHER WORDS TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS PULLED OVER BY THE POLICE ON SUCH AND SUCH DATE, UH, AND I WAS CHARGED WITH THIS PARTICULAR CRIME, UH, AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I SUBMITTED, I FEEL THAT I WAS FALSELY, UH, CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME BASED ON, UH, ON MY RACE.
AND THEN THE LAW DIRECTOR WOULD SAY, WELL, YES, THIS HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE.
UM, BECAUSE IT CONSTITUTES THE THRESHOLD OR THE LAW DIRECTOR MIGHT SAY, UH, YOG, THIS COMPLAINT IS JUST THAT OFFICER SMITH WAS RUDE AND, UH, AND BERATED THIS PERSON, UH, AND BEING RUDE AND, AND, AND, UH, UNPROFESSIONAL IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
SO, UH, HERE YOU GO BOARD, YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT A POTENTIAL CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
SO BOARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THIS CASE.
THAT THAT'S ALL THAT, THAT'S ALL THE INTENT OF THAT REVIEW IS NOT TO, HE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, SOLELY BY HIMSELF TO SAY, NAH, THIS ISN'T WORTHY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LOOKED AT BASED ON WHAT THE WORKING GROUP HAS COMPOSED AT THIS POINT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BE THE WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL PUSH THAT UP TO, TO COUNCIL.
SO YOU ULTIMATELY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU CHOOSE.
CAUSE I THINK IT IS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW DIRECTOR DETERMINES, RIGHT.
IT WOULD STILL COME TO THE CCRB OR ITS REVIEW AND THEN IT CAN DECIDE TO EITHER CONCUR WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR OR PROCEED ON WITH HEARING THE CASE.
SO THAT'S THE WAY WE, WHAT ARE THE INITIALS, UH, CITIZENS COMPLAINT, REVIEW BOARD.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE CITIZENS COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.
UM, THIS IS BECAUSE I KNOW SOME CITIES CALLED THE CITIZEN'S POLICE REVIEW BOARD.
AND, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT FINISHED WITH ME.
SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE INITIAL TERM THAT WE, WE CAME UP WITH.
BUT IF THERE'S A BETTER TERM, I THINK DATING CALLS, THE CC WAS OKAY.
AND JUST TO ADD NANCY TO, UH, THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE EARLIER ABOUT, UM, YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME DATA, UH, THAT WE COULD USE TO, UM, POTENTIALLY JUSTIFY THE REASON FOR HAVING A CCRP.
I THINK IT'S SORTA WHAT YOU, YOU SORT OF BROUGHT UP.
AND SO I GUESS SORT OF MY RESPONSES, UM, WE WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE DO IS WE WE'RE REACTIVE, RIGHT.
WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS JUST IN HUMAN BEHAVIOR, RIGHT.
WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, THAT'S WHEN CHANGE COMES INTO PLACE, RIGHT.
OR SOME SORT OF ACTION, UH, IS, IS, UH, EXECUTED.
BUT, AND, AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT HUBER HEIGHTS, LIKE I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, EARLY ON BEFORE, BEFORE THIS WAS APPROVED, WAS I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY REC UH, SEE THAT THERE IS A SYSTEMIC ISSUE OR A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN TERMS OF USE OF FORCE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
OR, YOU KNOW, CIVIL RIGHTS, UM, VIOLATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CCRB IS TAKING A PRACTICAL APPROACH AND REALLY IT'S MORE ABOUT AGAIN, LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY.
AND, UH, SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO SEE IT HERE AT CASE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND BUILDING TRUST IS WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND BEING PROACTIVE.
UH, BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO ASK LIKE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY OR A LAWYER OR SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE, UH, OUR PEOPLE TO DONATE BASICALLY THEIR PRIVATE TIME, YOU HAVE TO SELL THEM ON THAT.
THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT THERE IS A
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NEED FOR THIS.AND JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE RE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE REACTIVE.
THAT IF WE HAD A NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT LAID OUT THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF WHAT OUR CITY NEEDS, THAT WOULD BETTER SUPPORT THE, THE PURPOSE BEHIND AND GO ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WE NEED TRANSPARENCY AND, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE ASKING PROFESSIONALS TO DONATE THEIR TIME.
AND IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT, THAT, THAT YOU WILL COMMIT YOURSELF TO, AND NOT FIND EXCUSES TO NOT BE THERE EACH TIME, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS CCRB IS.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S UP TO THE, TO, TO THE INDIVIDUALS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS CCRB.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT DATA RIGHT THERE TO HELP SUPPORT OR EVEN FURTHER SUPPORT HAVING A CCRB, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A REQUIREMENT OR NECESSARY.
AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING A STANCE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND BE PROACTIVE IN THIS CASE.
AND AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A SERIOUS ISSUE, BUT, OR AN ISSUE AT ALL.
BUT AGAIN, IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE PERCEPTION IS REALITY TYPE OF THING.
AND I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF BUILDING TRUST AND, AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM WITHIN.
AND IT JUST SHOWS THAT THE CITY OF SOBRIETY IS, IS, IS, IS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, INCLUSION AND, AND, UH, AND ALL ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY, MIRACLE.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SAY, UM, ESPECIALLY TO WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCILWOMAN BURJ IS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WE GET MAY NOT SAY THAT WE NEED THE CCRB, BUT TO ME AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN TO YOLANDA ERIC, CARLA, JEAN AND TARA, WHO HAS A BLACK SON FROM OUR LENS, IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, HUBER HEIGHTS IS FORTUNATE THAT WE ARE NOT AN AKRON, THAT WE ARE NOT A, UM, GEORGIA, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT A MINNESOTA.
WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THAT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED TO US YET, BUT IT VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN.
AND SO I'M VERY AWARE JUST FROM WHAT I SEE ON FACEBOOK, THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT RACISM IS AN ISSUE.
RACISM IS ABSOLUTELY AN ISSUE AND WE DON'T NEED A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO TELL US THAT THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS PROBABLY GONNA LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE 40 IN OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT FACE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS PEOPLE OF COLOR.
RHONDA, I DON'T DISPUTE YOU AT ALL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, I WOULD, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT DIDN'T IDENTIFY SOME ISSUES BECAUSE WHILE THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY DOES HAVE, UH, A SET OF ISSUES AS YOU DISCUSSED, AND THERE'S NO DENYING THAT WE'VE GOT THE GAY COMMUNITY THAT HAS ISSUE, YOU'VE GOT THE AIP, AAPI COMMUNITY, THAT'S GOT ISSUES.
WE'VE GOT PROBABLY, UH, PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TURKISH COMMUNITY, WITH THE INDIAN COMMUNITY, WITH THE SPANISH COMMUNITY.
AND, AND YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, AND EACH ONE OF THEM MAY FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS COMMITTEE AND THAT THEY'RE HURTING, BUT WE CAN'T.
THAT'S WHY I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WHICH GOES ACROSS ALL OF THOSE SPECTRUMS AND THAT WE GET ALL OF THAT INPUT.
AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST WITH THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BUT WITH ALL OF THE, UM, THE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, UM, SEGMENTS OF OUR SOCIETY.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE TWO DISENFRANCHISED IN AMERICA ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN, ASIAN AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDER.
SO IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PRIORITY, THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO GIRLS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT.
OH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT INTERSECTIONALITY.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO ARE A PART OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, POOR, POOR, POOR, DISABLED.
SO WE'LL JUST GO PREPARE WHAT IS NOT.
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HAVE DENIED THAT SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS AND THE TWO LARGEST GROUPS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY SYSTEMIC RACISM ARE AFRICAN-AMERICANS.SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT THE TURKISH COMMUNITY, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT THE NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND ALL THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES, 100%, I AGREE.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A HOUSE THAT'S ON FIRE AND THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS ON FIRE.
WE CANNOT LOOK AT ALL OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHY THESE TWO COMMUNITIES IN AMERICA EXPERIENCED SO MUCH DISCRIMINATION, HATRED, ALL OF THAT.
WE CAN'T, WE CANNOT LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
YOU HAVE TO NANCY, MAY I FINISH MATH FINISH? YES.
FROM YOUR LENS, YOU SEE IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IMPACTED THE WAY THAT I AM IMPACTED BY THIS TOPIC.
AND, AND UNTIL, UNTIL I CAN COMMUNICATE THAT NOTHING THAT WE SAY IS GOING TO SEEM LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FROM OUR LENS, SHE HAS A BLACK SON.
EVERY TIME MY CHILDREN LEAVE MY HOUSE, I AM IMPACTED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL COME HOME SAFE WHEN I GET IN CAR AND THE POLICE IS BEHIND ME.
UM, I'M AFRAID THAT I'M GOING TO GET PULLED OVER RIGHT HERE.
AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT WILL COME OUT AND KEEP INTERRUPTING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DECORUM IN HERE.
AS WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIALOGUE.
THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARGUMENT.
OKAY, RHONDA, WHAT WAS JUST HAPPENING? A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BEG TO DIFFER.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ARGUMENT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.
I NEED YOU TO PLEASE CALM DOWN.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE A DIALOGUE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE HERE.
NOBODY HAS TO RAISE THEIR VOICE.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THE ISSUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU AS A WHITE MALE TO STOP INTERRUPTING ME, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
MY COLOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE YOU KEEP SILENCE THAN ME.
YOUR SILENCE IN ME, YOU DON'T SEE ME AND YOU DON'T HEAR ME.
IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SAY IT'S 100.
I AM THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF THIS MEETING.
AND MY ROLE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS HEARD AND THAT WE HAVE A DIALOGUE THAT IS CONSTRUCTIVE AND EVERYONE BE PATIENT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND I'M ASKING YOU, MAY I FINISH WHAT I WAS SAYING? PLEASE DO.
UNTIL YOU ALL CAN SEE ME AS A BLACK WOMAN AND HEAR, AND SEE WHAT I AM SAYING, STOP CUTTING ME OFF.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE ROOT OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOUTH SITTING ON COUNCIL, GET IT.
AND I WANT YOU TO GET IT SO BAD.
BUT AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT YOUR DEFENSIVE, UH, DEFENSES UP, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT I'M I'M ANGRY AND THAT I NEED TO CALM DOWN.
AND I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO CALM DOWN.
CAUSE I'M FREAKING MAD THAT I HAVE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE IN 2020, THIS IS NEEDED.
I HAVE VOLUNTEERED ON THIS COMMISSION FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS FREE.
YOU ALL GET, AT LEAST YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND YOU GET SOMETHING I LISTENED TO MY MAYOR SAY THAT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE NOT PERFORMING THE WAY THEY SHOULD DID.
I MENTION THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION, BUT YOU DID NOT, BUT YOU DID NOT MENTION US CANNOT HAVE NINE PEOPLE, EIGHT OTHER PEOPLE SITTING NEXT TO ME THAT WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF FOR THIS CITY.
I MENTIONED TWO BOARDS SPECIFICALLY.
I DIDN'T MENTION YOUR BOARD AT ALL.
I WANT YOU TO HEAR ME AND SEE ME.
THE CCRB IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO LEAD THE CHARGE ON WHAT IS NEEDED AS FAR AS THE CCRB IS CONCERNED, ARE
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PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY POLICE IN AMERICA, BY POLICE IN CITIES, ALL ACROSS THIS WORLD.HUBER HEIGHTS IS NEXT ON THE LIST.
TRUST AND BELIEVE BECAUSE IF YOU ALL DON'T BEGIN TO SEE HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS THAT WE FIX THIS PROBLEM.
I GUARANTEE YOU, WE WILL BE NEXT ON THE LIST.
AND I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
AND I MAY SOUND MAD BECAUSE BLACK WOMAN ARE SEEN AS MAD WHEN THEY GET LOUD.
I'M MAD THAT I HAVE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS IS NECESSARY.
AND I'M MAD THAT COUNCILMAN BERGE, YOU THINK THAT A NEED ASSESSMENT NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS NECESSARY, NOT JUST FOR YOU FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T DOUBT THAT IT'S NECESSARY FOR YOU AND RHONDA.
YOU KNEW, YOU KNOW, NOTHING ABOUT MY BACKGROUND WHEN I GREW UP.
SO DON'T SAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR SITUATION.
I DO, BUT I WANT TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THESE BIASES IN A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO WE KNOW HOW BROAD THE PROBLEM IS, NOT JUST WITH THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BUT WITH THE GAYS, WITH, WITH THE AAPI, FOR EVERYONE.
AND LET ME JUST ADD THOUGH, AND WITH THE CCRB, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T TO FOCUS JUST ON AFRICAN-AMERICANS RIGHT.
THIS IS THE BENNET BOOK, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT, AGAIN, IT'S FOR ANYONE THAT THAT'S FACED WITH SOME SORT OF CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TOWARDS ONE IN ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY EXCLUSIVELY, RIGHT.
SO WE, WHETHER WE TURN, I DON'T CARE AGAIN, WHAT TO DEMOGRAPHIC, RIGHT.
I THINK, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE INITIAL MAKEUP, RIGHT? WE WANT TO ADD SOME MANIPUR JEWELS TO THAT CCRB.
THAT WAS JUST LIKE BRIAN SAID, THAT WAS KIND OF THE INITIAL TARGET, OR AT LEAST STARTING THE INITIAL IDENTIFICATION OF THE FOLKS THAT SHOULD BE REPRESENTED ON THE, ON THE CCRB.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN STILL WORK THROUGH AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE MENTION AS PART OF THIS WORKING GROUP ON THE REFORM COMMITTEE, UM, WE ARE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSING THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THE CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTION ACT OF 1964 AND THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT.
THERE ARE NO CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FOR HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUALS, FEDERALLY STATE, OR LOCALLY.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE UP AS A CITY OR AT A LEVEL WHERE WE WANT TO ADD PROTECTIONS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON.
BUT AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS FOR SAME SEX INDIVIDUAL OR GAY INDIVIDUALS.
UM, WE ARE IN NO WAY SAYING THAT THIS BOARD WOULD ONLY FOCUS ON AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
IT WOULD BE ANY CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS OFFERED UNDER THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
WE ARE NOT JUST THROWING STUFF AT THE WALL TO MAKE STUFF STICK.
THE DATA IS ALL OF THE BLACK PEOPLE KILLED BY POLICE.
THE DATA ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR CHILDREN COMING HOME AT NIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CCRB IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PUT TO THE CITY TO DECIDE IN THE CITIZENS REVIEW OR IN THIS, UM, EVALUATION OF THE CITY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED BY THE NAACP.
WE ANSWERED THAT IT WAS IN PLACE.
NOW IT'S TIME TO PUT THE PEN TO THE INK AND PUT IT IN PLACE.
SO IF WE WANT TO OFFER EXTRA PROTECTIONS IN HERE THAT ARE NOT ALREADY OFFERED, THAT IS FINE WITH US, BUT WE CANNOT HAVE AN ISSUE COME UP WHERE WE SAY THAT OFFICER.
SO AND SO YANKED SOMEBODY OUT OF THE CAR BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIP.
THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE NOT OFFERED.
YOU ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOU WERE THE ONES THAT CAN CHANGE THAT.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT, BUT FOR ME, I WAS IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TRYING TO SHOW SHIRONDA.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
SO IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, ARE WE TRYING TO SILENCE ANYONE? THIS IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
THIS IS ABOUT IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT VIEW THAT ARE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME AS A SOCIAL WORKER, I ANSWERED TO THE SOCIAL WORK BOARD THAT HOLDS MY LICENSE OVER MY HEAD.SAME EQUAL ASK FOR THE REST OF THE WORKING, HELPING PROFESSIONALS.
THERE HAS TO BE OTHER EYES IN THESE PROCESSES IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO TRUST THE PEOPLE, COMPLETING THE PROCESS.
IF I HAD A COMPLAINANT, MY JOB, AND I SAID, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'M THE ONLY ONE LOOKING AT IT.
THAT'S LITERALLY HOW IT GOES RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A CITIZEN'S REVIEW BOARD.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, AS PART OF THE REFORM COMMITTEE, WE ARE 100% AWARE.
WE REALLY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THESE PROBLEMS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND I TRULY HOPE WE DON'T, BUT IF IT'S PUT UP AND IT'S NEVER USED, WHAT'S THE WORST THING THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
WE ARE ALL PROFESSIONALS THAT YOU ASKED TO COME AND SIT AT THIS TABLE AS WELL.
AND WE ARE DOING IT ON OUR VOLUNTARY TIMES.
YOU HAVE A LAWYER, A SOCIAL WORKER, A DEI EXPERT, UM, PEOPLE THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH SECURITY CLEARANCE.
SO TO SAY THAT YOU ARE ASKING PROFESSIONALS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND DO SOMETHING THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT, BRIAN.
UH, YOU, AS WELL AS STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS BOARD, UH, TO GET US TO THIS POINT AND I THANK YOU AND EVERYONE ON STAFF THAT HAD THE TIME AND EFFORT TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
UM, BRIAN, WITH THE MEMBERSHIP BOARD, YOU WERE GOING OVER, UH, THE MEMBERS, YOU SAID TWO NON-VOTING MEMBERS AND I DIDN'T GET TO WRITE THAT DOWN, WHICH THE TWO WORD WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? UH, SO THE TWO NON-VOTING MEMBERS WOULD BE THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR THEIR DESIGNEE AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNATE.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT NOTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE DISCUSSION TOPICS AND OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE TO, UM, MAKE SOME DECISION AT SOME POINT AS A COUNCIL, UH, WHICH DIRECTIONS WE GO, UH, BUT INFORMATION AND PERHAPS I MISSED IT, BUT INFORMATION IN THE PACKET, UH, TO GET US STARTED TO THAT POINT, UH, WOULD HELP TO IN THE FUTURE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, BRIAN, UH, IN, IN THE RESEARCH IN LOOKING AT THIS, UM, THERE WAS A TOPIC IN OTHER CITIES AND IT SEEMED TO BE A MAJOR TOPIC ABOUT SUBPOENA POWERS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE BACKGROUND IN SUBPOENA POWERS.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT SUBPOENA POWERS AS A CITY COUNCIL? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE LAW DIRECTOR.
I'M AWARE THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, UM, THE CITY OR SUBUNITS OF THE CITY CAN HAVE SUBPOENA POWERS.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL IS WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN COURT SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE A CITY COURT, WE ARE, UH, RELIANT ON THE COUNTY.
UH, AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT EVEN IF THE BOARD WAS ABLE TO HAVE, EVEN IF THE REVIEW BOARD WAS ABLE TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWERS, WHAT WOULD THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THOSE POWERS BE IN A COURT THAT MAY NOT HOLD THAT REQUEST FOR SUBPOENA OR THAT DEMAND FOR A SUBPOENA, A TOOL LEVEL, AS SERIOUS AS PERHAPS MAYBE THE REVIEW BOARD MIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THE COURT MIGHT, MIGHT CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BEST TO JUST TRY AND BRING FORWARD A STRUCTURE THAT WAS ABSENT TO SUBPOENA PROVISION AND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT OR THE, TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER, THE BOARD MIGHT NOT EVER MEET THE BOARD, MIGHT MEET AND BE ABLE TO FUNCTION WITHOUT SUBPOENA POWER.
UH, AND THE BOARD MIGHT MEET AND NOT BE ABLE TO FUNCTION WITHOUT SUBPOENA POWER.
AND THAT WOULD HELP US PROVIDE SOME BETTER GUIDANCE, UH, TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, MAYBE TO THE COURT, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT SUBPOENA POWER WAS NEEDED.
SO THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND DEBATED.
AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE A CONTINUED POINT OF DISCUSSION, UH, AT FUTURE MEETINGS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ABSENCE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT OR REPRESENTATIVE, UM, THOSE KINDS OF LEGAL QUESTIONS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF SUBPOENA POWERS.
UH, AGAIN, BASED ON THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE, AND OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THERE WERE CITIES THAT HAD SUBPOENA POWERS IN THEIR CCRB, UH, CITIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT AND THEN CITIES, SOME CITIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT, BUT THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT
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BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS NECESSARY.UH, ME PERSONALLY, JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER'S OPINION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AT ALL.
I, I WOULD WELCOME SUBPOENA POWERS.
UH, AND I KNOW IN OUR CITY WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF OUR CONTRACT AND LET'S JUST USE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, BUT NOT WANTING TO PICK ON, UM, THE CITIZEN, THE CCRB WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION, A BODY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ONLY.
SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY FEAR OVER WHAT SUBPOENA POWERS MAY REVEAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
AND I KNOW IF IT WAS, IF THERE WERE SUBPOENA POWERS, IT WOULD BE LIMITED BY OUR NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT OR CONTRACT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE, UH, THE FOP.
SO IN THAT REGARD, THERE WOULD BE SOME LIMITATIONS TO, SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT ISSUE, UM, THE ORGANIZATION CHART PLACEMENT, WHERE WE PUT THE CCRB, UM, IS IT STILL THE PRACTICE OF THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE THAT WHEN THERE'S AN OPENING, UH, THEY, ALONG WITH STAFF WOULD, UH, INTERVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL? UM, WELL THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
SO I WOULD THAT IT'S CURRENTLY UTILIZED.
SO I DEFER TO THE CLERK TO TELL YES, WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY ON THE COMMISSION, WE TREAT THAT THE SAME AS ANY OTHER COMMISSION, WHICH THERE'S AN INTERVIEW PANEL WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMISSION OR BOARD, UH, INVOLVED IN, IN ADDITION TO OTHER PARTIES, INCLUDING, UH, MYSELF AND, AND HUMAN RESOURCES TO MAKE THAT SELECTION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR A POINT.
AND I KNOW COUNCIL HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING THOSE APPOINTMENTS, UH, AS FAR AS PUTTING IT ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, I'M FLEXIBLE.
BUT, UH, IF, IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THE CCRB, UM, UNDERNEATH THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE, UH, SO THAT THEY WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS WHO'S ON THAT, UM, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD OF COURSE TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE FOR TOO, BUT AGAIN, I'M FLEXIBLE IF IT'S SO A REGULAR COMMISSION THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE WITH BOARDS AND THEN THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
SO JUST MENTIONING THAT, UM, AND I'M FINE WITH A CITIZEN'S COMPLAINT, REVIEW BOARD AS A NAME, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT, UH, MAYOR, I THINK THAT WHAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE CAME TO, TO WHAT I THOUGHT WERE VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW COMPLAINT BOARD, AND THAT IT WAS COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH ONE, KNOWING THAT WE HAD TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
AND I THOUGHT THOSE WERE TWO VERY IMPORTANT, UH, FACTS THAT CAME OUT IN THAT MEETING, UH, WITH THIS MEETING TONIGHT, UH, SO FAR WITH WHAT STAFF AND THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, HAVE COME TO, UH, I'M VERY ENCOURAGED IN THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
WE STILL HAVE INFORMATION TO GATHER.
WE STILL HAVE DECISIONS TO MAKE, BUT I'M VERY ENCOURAGED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON SO FAR.
AND SO, I MEAN, THAT WAS CERTAINLY MY UNDERSTANDING.
I W NOBODY DURING THAT MEETING HAD EXPRESSED ANY, UH, DESIRE TO NOT HAVE A, UH, CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
SO WE HAD ALL DISCUSSED THAT EVERYBODY HAD SAID, UH, WE WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
SO, SO THERE'S, UM, AND, AND I THINK THE ISSUE WAS HOW, HOW DO WE COME TO WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? AND I THINK THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, AND I THINK WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT SCHEDULING THE MEETING AFTER BRIAN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE REFORM COMMITTEE AND KATIE AND THE CHIEF TO, TO LAY SOME GROUNDWORK, BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE, RIGHT.
IF I THINK THAT IF WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAD 16 OR 17 PEOPLE IN A ROOM AND EVERYBODY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, OR WHAT THE PROCESS WAS.
WE HAD TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FRAMEWORK TO START FROM, UM, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THIS, MY UNDERSTAND WAS THE POINT OF THE POINT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING TO TAKE WHAT FRAMEWORK THAT THEY HAD PUT TOGETHER AND THEN JUST HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT THERE, UM, AND I THINK EVEN, YOU KNOW, TO MRS. BURGESS POINTS, I DON'T THINK, UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD HER ONCE SAY THAT SHE WASN'T IN FAVOR OF HER FOR THIS BOARD.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR NANCY, BUT I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER HEARD YOU SAY THAT, UH, EVERYBODY'S EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION, UH, AND THEIR DESIRE THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SAID AND, AND I KNOW THAT WAS A COMMENT YOU MADE.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY BEING MAYOR, UM, OR TALKING TO MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAN WHAT I WOULD AND KNOW ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID, TWO MEETINGS AND,
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UM, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE MAKING HEADWAY.AND I THINK WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO BY.
I THINK A LOT OF THINGS ARE GETTING DONE AND THE MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE'RE GOING TO LEARN, UM, EVERY, FROM EVERYONE, I THINK EVERYONE'S GOING TO LEARN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PICK SOME THINGS UP AND, UH, I REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO GET THAT MOVING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE JUST SAID.
AND, UH, COUNCIL, UH, COUNCILMAN LINES, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO A COMMENT THAT YOU SAID ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO THE CCRB IN TERMS OF WHO IT REPORTS TO.
I KNOW YOU SUGGESTED MAYBE POTENTIALLY IF ALL UP UNDER THE, THIS COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF HAVING THAT FALL UP UNDER US.
UH, NOW WHAT WE DID SAY WAS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE, LIKE WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THIS, FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT SITS ON, UH, SITS ON THAT BOARD.
UH, BUT, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN ABOUT WHERE IT FALLS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THAT ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF SAYING, HEY, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, FOR THE CCRB AS WELL.
SO, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.
NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOOD, SO DON'T, DON'T EVER WORRY ABOUT AGREEING OR DISAGREEING, BUT I, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING I HAD THOUGHT OF THAT I WASN'T SURE.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT, UH, TO SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
AND THEN IF WE DECIDE TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CANDOR.
UM, ONE POINT, YES, WE HAD A MEMBER OF OUR CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN'S ACTION COMMITTEE, UM, MAKE A STATEMENT.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN MRS. MS. PURVIS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THE CCRB.
WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECT REASON TO HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THIS TIME.
SO SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT DOES, WE HAVE RACIAL ISSUES.
WE HAVE RACISM IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEMS. HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM LIKE FERGUSON, LIKE MINNEAPOLIS AND SOME OF THE AREAS SO FAR.
SO IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT FROM A OF THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THESE ADDITIONS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CCRB AND MOVING FORWARD TO THAT, I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN SHOWING THE QUALITY COMMUNITY WE HAVE.
IT ALSO GOES A LONG WAY, UH, FOR HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY AND BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN OUR CULTURAL DIVERSITY COMMISSION, OUR CITIZENS AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COUNCIL TOO.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY EASY FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN, TO LOSE THAT TRUST.
SO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP BUILD THAT TRUST SO THAT IF GOD FORBID WE EVER HAVE AN ISSUE, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT BETTER THAN MOST COMMUNITIES.
AND I'M JUST REALLY ENCOURAGED BY THAT.
AND SHE HAD SOME GOOD COMMENTS.
THOSE, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING TONIGHT.
I WAS STUCK ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT, UM, A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES THAT I DIDN'T HEAR WHEN BRIAN LAID OUT THE FRAMEWORK AND MAYBE BRIAN OR TONY COULD ANSWER THESE, OR YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, SO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THEY HAD TO BE A RESIDENT OF, UH, OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
IS THAT RIGHT, TONY? UH, THEY HAVE TO BE AN OF HUMAN RIGHTS, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER OUR CHARTER TO SERVE ON THE CITY BORDER TODAY.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO? YES, I MEAN, BUT WE DID HAVE, I KNOW DURING OUR LAST CONVERSATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING GROUP MEETING WAS THAT I THINK PREFERABLY WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S FROM THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT LIKE, FOR LIKE AN ATTORNEY FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS A PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND, IF WE HAD TO REACH OUTSIDE THE CITY TO BRING THAT PERSON IN, THEN, THEN WHEN, I GUESS WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT IN THE RIGHT BRIAN, THAT'S SORT OF CORRECT.
SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, UM, OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN TO TRY AND TAKE ON THE IDEA OF RESOLVING THE CONCERN OR THE ISSUE.
SO YES, OUR CONVERSATION WAS THAT, UM, WE WOULD PREFER TO LOOK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR SOME OF THESE, UM, UM, I THINK PR PROFESSIONAL RIGHTS TO SOME OF THESE PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVES, BUT IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY DETERMINED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR IN REVIEWING WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO COUNCIL IN THE END AND HOW THAT RELATES TO COMPONENTS OF THE CHARTER, THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE,
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WELL, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THOSE CONFLICTS AT THAT TIME.AND THE OTHER HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE, I THOUGHT, TONY, UM, IF YOU'RE ON A COMMITTEE OR A BOARDER COMMISSION, NOW YOU COULDN'T BE ON A SECOND.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SETS KIND OF, IS THAT AN, OUR CHARTER THAT WAY OR, YEAH, THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION IN THE CITY.
SO THAT COULD BE ALTERNATIVE IF COUNCIL WISHES.
AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE ARE ALL POSITIONS, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO COST HER CITY.
I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE BUDGET, ANYBODY, ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEER, ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE VOLUNTEER BASIS.
THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS ALL VOLUNTARY.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, HOW WOULD THIS BOARD BE DIFFERENT THAN OUR PERSONNEL REVIEW BOARD THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING? COULD SOMEBODY ANSWER ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS FOR, WELL, I DID WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD ACTUALLY HAS SUBPOENA POWER.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH THE CCRB HAVING SUBPOENA POWER AS WELL.
WELL, WHY WOULD WE MAKE ANOTHER COMMISSION IF WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, CAN YOU, SO THE PERSONNEL, SO THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD, UM, AND KATIE PROBABLY CAN TALK MORE TO THAT, BUT IT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
THE QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON COUNCIL REGARDING KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT HERE TONIGHT.
YOU ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY AND YOU ALL CHOSE TO SHOW UP AND HAVE THIS DIALOGUE WITH US.
UM, MR. STEVENS IN REVIEWING YOUR EMAIL BACK IN FEBRUARY, UM, AND GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT WERE LAID OUT IN THAT, UH, THAT EMAIL TO REVIEW, UM, SINCE THAT DIALOGUE HAS THE, UM, HAS THE REFORM COMMITTEE, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, UM, BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF, UM, HOW THE COMPLAINT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FILED.
IS IT GOING TO BE IN PERSON? IS IT GOING TO BE BY FORM ELECTRONIC? UM, COULD YOU SHARE SOME, SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT, RIGHT.
THAT WAS PART TWO MEETINGS, RIGHT.
WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF, UM, YEAH.
WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IT KIND OF NOTIONALLY THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, UM, IS, SO LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CITIZEN WHO, UM, CHOOSES TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT.
SO HE WOULD, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT, UM, BASICALLY REACH OUT TO THE, I GUESS THE, THE, THE CITY FILED THAT COMPLAINT AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE CONCLUDED AND, UH, COME UP WITH THEIR FINDINGS, THEY WOULD THEN IN TURN, SORRY, SEND A LETTER, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, LETTING THEM LETTING THAT ANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE FINDINGS ARE.
AND THEN IN THAT LETTER, UH, IT WOULD ALSO MENTION IF YOU DISAGREE, BASICALLY, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS, YOU COULD THEN REACH OUT TO THE CCRB.
AND SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION MAYBE IN A LETTER, BUT THERE'D BE STUFF ON THE WEBSITE IF YOU WILL, BUT STILL TRYING TO SORT THROUGH HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT BASICALLY THEY WOULD THEN HAVE, THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE 45 DAYS, THE PLAINTIFF WOULD HAVE 45 DAYS TO, TO FILE THEIR COMPLAINT WITH THE, WITH THE CCRB AND WHICH THEY, THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THEN ON TO THE CCRB FOR THE REVIEW.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UM, KIND OF, YEAH.
YOU ACTUALLY EXPANDED ON A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, WHICH I HAVE QUESTIONS ON.
UM, I GUESS, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THE CLEAR, SO FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THE INITIAL, UM, COMPLAINT PROCESS WOULD BE STARTED BY THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING A COMPLAINT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE MADE THIS CLEAR, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ANYWAYS, UM, THAT THE CCRB IS NOT JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT COULD BE A FIRE DEPARTMENT ISSUE.
IT COULD BE A PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? SO IT COULD BE, I GUESS WE DIDN'T, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE, UH, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT, BUT I GUESS THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE, OR IT COULD BE, OR WOULD BE LIMITED TO, RIGHT.
OR IT HAS TO BE LIMITED TO JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT, I MEAN, I, AND THEN THAT KIND OF FURTHER EXPANDS ON MY QUESTION, HOW WOULD THE FORM OF THAT COMPLAINT COME IN?
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UM, YOU KNOW, IF LET'S SAY SOMEBODY AT CLOUD PARK, A PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, UM, INDIVIDUALS THERE, SOMEBODY IS RUNNING, SOMETHING HAPPENS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THERE, UM, DO THOSE COMPLAINTS GO TO THAT DEPARTMENT MANAGER, UH, THAT DEPARTMENT ITSELF, AND THEN COME TO YOU, I GUESS, HOW HAS THAT THEN BROKEN DOWN AFTER THAT COMPLAINTS FILED? RIGHT.SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN TO THIS POINT UP TO THIS POINT, RIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION AGAIN BETWEEN REFORM COMMITTEE BRIAN AND, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF.
SO IT'S BEEN FOCUSED IN ON THAT, ON THAT PROCESS.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, I GUESS WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, GO BACK AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TO SEE IF THAT'S, UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL, HOW THAT WOULD LOOK.
AND THE REASON I KIND OF OPENED THAT UMBRELLA UP IS I NOTICED AGAIN, BACK, AND I'M REFERRING BACK TO YOUR FEBRUARY EMAIL WHERE SOME COMMUNITIES CALLED IT, A POLICE REFORM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, SOME, YOU KNOW, HAD A DIFFERENT NAME, BUT AS A, UM, A CITIZEN'S COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, I THINK THAT GIVES THE OVERALL UMBRELLA UNTO THE ENTIRE CITY NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, AVAILABILITY TO HAVE A HEARING IN FRONT OF THE REVIEW BOARD.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONVERSATION NEEDED TO COME, UH, COME INTO PLAY WITH HOW THOSE GET INITIATED, HOW THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS AND THEN COME TO YOU THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE PURVIEW.
SO, UM, ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, WHICH YOU KIND OF WENT INTO IT, UH, AT FIRST, WHICH WAS THE TIMELINE OF THE COMPLAINT, UM, I NOTICED IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, LIKE A THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, OR EVEN UP TO A YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT THAT A COM COMPLAINT W COULD BE FILED.
UM, AND I, THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS OF HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE A COMPLAINT, UM, THAT IT'S HEARD.
AND IT'S SEEN AS A COMPLAINT, UM, HAS THAT TIMELINE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY YOUR BOARD? RIGHT.
SO, YEAH, SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I KNOW LIKE THE CITY OF DAYTON, I THINK IT'S 30 DAYS, RIGHT.
UM, IN OUR CONVERSATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT 30 INITIALLY, AND THEN WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, 45 DAYS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO STRETCH IT OUT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO FILE A COMPLAINT, BUT AT LEAST, UH, OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS YOU HAVE 45 DAYS TO, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE LADDER THAT, THAT THE PERSON WOULD BE ISSUED.
PLUS THE PROCESS WILL BE OUTLINED AS WELL, I GUESS, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S THE, AGAIN, THE INITIAL INITIAL TARGET AND MY LAST QUESTION, UM, AND, UH, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I READ THROUGH THIS OR NOT, WHICH I'M JUST GONNA ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, SINCE IT'S BEEN KIND OF JUST DISCUSSED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME, AND THAT COMPLAINT DOES COME IN, IT IS, UM, INITIALLY REVIEWED BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, THEN A LETTER IS SENT OUT.
UM, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, OR IS IT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW THAT THE CITIZEN'S REVIEW BOARD WOULD RECEIVE, UM, ANY DOCUMENTATION OR RESEARCH FINDINGS FROM, UM, THE POLICE AND, UM, INTERNAL INVESTIGATION UNIT, CORRECT? YES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS WHEN YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, UM, HOW WOULD THAT INFORMATION BE OBTAINED IF IT GOES THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, WOULD YOU, WOULD THE CITIZEN'S REVIEW BOARD THEN RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, YEP.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT ASPECT, RIGHT.
LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IF YOU WILL, BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE BACK AND DECIDE ON AGAIN, WHAT THE SCOPE IS.
DO WE LIMIT THE SCOPE TO JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THIS CASE? OR DO WE, YOU KNOW, ADD SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, OTHER AREAS AS WELL? CORRECT.
CAUSE I, I BELIEVE TO THE EARLIER POINT, THE PERSONNEL REVIEW BOARD THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE IS FOR THE NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
SO LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE I BELIEVE THIS REVIEW BOARD WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE IN THE, THE FOUNDATION PIECE NOW A BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT ALL YEARS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING.
AND I THINK THE STRUCTURE THAT THE INITIAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CAN SUPPORT, UH, DOING JUST THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY RIGHT WITH THE CITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH AND THE DIALOGUE GOING ON THIS FAR UM, UH, BRIAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR INPUT.
AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD FRAMEWORK AND A FOUNDATION FOR, UH, SOME OTHER PIECES OF CLARITY AND CONVERSATION TO STILL OCCUR, BUT, UH, I I'M ALL SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD.
UM, I MATTER OF FACT, I JUST HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WHILE I WAS IN ATLANTA WITH SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES,
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UH, THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF DIFFERENT NAMES.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CREATIVE IDEAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OUT THERE.
AND, UM, I THINK ONCE THIS COUNCIL GETS THAT FOUNDATION PIECE SET, UH, NOTHING SAYS THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FINE TUNE THAT.
UM, BUT LET'S GET SOMETHING IN PLACE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T GET USED GREAT.
UH, BUT IF IT GETS USED THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FINE TUNE, UH, SUBPOENA POWERS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY DOCUMENTATION IS HANDLED, UH, THE WAY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC RECORDS ARE HANDLED FROM THAT ASPECT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW, I KNOW, UM, THE, UM, CULTURE AND DIVERSITY, UM, UH, REFORM, UH, COMMITTEE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN REVIEWING THIS AS FAR.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW TO GO BACK AND HAVE SOME GOOD CONVERSATION AND LET'S GET THIS RIGHT.
AND JUST TO GET IT RIGHT, BUT LET'S GET IT DONE.
MAYOR GUARDIA, YOU MADE A COMMENT MAYBE A FEW MONTHS AGO DURING ONE OF THE WORK SESSIONS THAT, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BOY THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST SOME, LIKE SOME OTHER COMMUNITY.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT WE ALL AGREE TO.
THAT MAKES SENSE FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
YOU KNOW, I WAS AS GOOD TO GO BENCHMARK LOOK AT WHAT OTHER, UH, WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS LOOK AT, THEY LOOK AT AGAIN, LOOK AT, UH, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES AND THEN FIGURE OUT FROM THERE, I TAKE THAT DATA AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, UH, FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO AGAIN, I'M ALL ABOUT TAILORING, UM, TO, TO FIT WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH HERE IN THIS CITY.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION CONGRESSMAN SHELL, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE CCRB COULD COVER OTHER PERSONNEL.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT PERSONNEL WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE CCRB? AM I, I'M NOT, I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
YOU MENTIONED THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD COVERS THE NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
SO, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, SO LET'S SAY, UM, UH, THERE'S A, UM, A COMPLAINT, WHAT THEY FIREFIGHTER ON A CALL OR A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE, UH, WHICH ARE, UM, CURRENTLY UNDER UNION CONTRACT THROUGH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
UM, IF THOSE COMPLAINTS DO COME THROUGH AND THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK OF THIS, IT LOOKS IT'S JUST BASE BY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HOW WOULD THOSE OTHER COMPLAINTS BE ISSUED AND HANDLING FROM THE RESIDENT? CORRECT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, AS LONG AS WE REMAIN COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IT IS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT THOSE CAN OCCUR OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT INITIAL REVIEW BY OUR LAW DIRECTOR.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT REPORT HANDED TO THE CCRB, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, I GUESS, CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
UM, AND I KNOW, UM, WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE, THERE'S CURRENT PROCESSES IN PLACE NOW, A FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS THIS COUNCIL, UH, RECEIVES A FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINT, UH, OR MULTIPLE TUNES OF THEM, HOW THEY'RE HANDLED.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE AS WELL.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER CITIES, UM, WHERE PEOPLE ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINT PROCESSES, UM, HOW ARE THOSE HANDLED AND FUNDAMENTAL DOUBT, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, I, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS A GRUDGE AND THEM, AND, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THEIR BEST FRIENDS ARE JUST MAKING CONSTANT COMPLAINTS, THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO NOT WHAT THE BOARD IS FOR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARING EVERY WRITTEN COMPLAINT, VERBAL COMPLAINT THAT'S RECEIVED.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE HAD AN APP FOR THAT.
SO BRIAN, QUICK QUESTION ORIGINALLY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO THE, AS THE WAY THINGS STAND IN THE CITY, SO THE EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT INVESTIGATES THEIR OWN COMPLAINTS, CORRECT? UH, YES.
SO, SO EVERYBODY ELSE, ANY, ANY COMPLAINT ON A EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, IF IT WAS PUBLIC WORKS, THAT COMPLAINT WOULD COME TO YOU THEN, RIGHT.
UM, KATIE, DO YOU WANT TO TALK REAL BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND, MAYBE I'LL ASK YOU TO TURN ON THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE, CAUSE YEAH.
SO AS PART OF THIS AND TH THIS IN MY MIND, THIS SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY EASY PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER COMPLAINTS EITHER GO TO BRIAN OR THEN WE GO TO HR.
SO IF THE DEPARTMENT GETS A COMPLAINT FROM A CITIZEN, TYPICALLY THAT DEPARTMENT WILL DO THE INVESTIGATION ON THAT COMPLAINT.
SO BRIAN, WOULD YOU BE NOTIFIED? WOW.
I THINK WE'RE, IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL.
AND I THINK WE'RE MUDDYING THE WATERS HERE THAT THE CCRB, UM, AS IT'S STRUCTURED AT THE MOMENT, OR AT LEAST AS THE INTENTIONS ARE, UH, AS I'VE UNDERSTOOD THEM,
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IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ACTIONABLE POLICY OF THE CITY IN SOME WAY HAS VIOLATED OR THE DECISION OF AN EMPLOYEE TO EXECUTE ACTIONABLE POLICY IS A VIOLATION, OR COULD BE A POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PRESENT ITSELF AS A UNIFORM CONCERN ABOUT EMPLOYEE CONDUCT ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.UM, NOT THAT IT COULDN'T, BUT FOR INSTANCE, AN EMPLOYEE WHO MIGHT CONDUCT THEMSELVES, UH, I'LL USE PUBLIC WORKS SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, AN EMPLOYEE WHO EXECUTES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO LET'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW, REFUSES TO, UH, EMPTY A TRASH CAN AT A BUS SHELTER OR AT A PARK SHELTER BECAUSE A MINORITY, A MINORITY FAMILY IS USING THAT FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY.
I, THAT WOULD BE A DISCIPLINE THAT WOULD BE A DISCIPLINARY, A LITTLE ACTION, UM, WHERE WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT INTERNALLY, THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO DEBATE OR APPEAL.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT EXIST THAT DEFINE HOW WE, AS, AS SENIOR STAFF WOULD HANDLE THAT ISSUE.
THAT'S NOT A POLICY DIRECTIVE, THAT'S NOT AN APPLICATION OF POLICY IN WHICH THAT POLICY MIGHT BE INTERPRETED AS A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
THAT IS AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE.
WHO'S MAKING AN INAPPROPRIATE CHOICE, AND THAT IS SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE AND SOLELY THE DISCIPLINE THAT IS EXERCISED THROUGH OUR LEADERSHIP, UM, OUR LEADERSHIP STRUCTURE.
SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE APPLICATION, UH, BEYOND, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THIS BOARD, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADVICE.
BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONNEL, THERE IS A DISTINCT AND SEPARATE STRUCTURE AND, UM, UH, AND HIERARCHY OF ADDRESSING THE BEHAVIORS OF, UH, OF OUR PERSONNEL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS TO EVEN SUBMIT, UH, A REQUEST FOR THE REVIEW BOARD, UM, IS DEPENDENT UPON THE COMPLETION OF AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH OUR PROCESS, OUR DEFINED PROCESS TO ADDRESS EMPLOYEE BEHAVIORS AS THEY RELATE TO ACTIONABLE POLICY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
SO THERE ARE, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, HEY, IS THE CITY'S POLICY ON LEASING OR ON RENTING PARK SHELTERS? IS THERE, UM, A, A SYSTEMIC BIAS, UM, WITHIN THAT POLICY THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT IS CREATING, UH, UH, A HIERARCHY OF APPROVALS AND DENIALS BASED ON SOME KIND OF ETHNIC ISSUE.
OKAY, WELL, THE BOARD MIGHT BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT, BUT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WE DON'T APPRECIATE HOW THE DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS MANAGER, UH, DISCIPLINE THEIR EMPLOYEE, THAT THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO, THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD.
SO, SO, SO BRIAN, IN FACT, AND I'M GLAD YOU WENT THROUGH THAT, BUT MY, MY POINT OF THAT QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY NOT TO MUDDY THE WATER, BUT TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE.
AND THAT IS THAT IF THE, IF THE REQUIREMENT OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, RIGHT.
IF, IF SOMEONE MADE A COMPLAINT ABOUT A PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIAL, THAT THEY FELT WAS A VIOLATION OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD COME DIRECTLY TO THAT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SEVERE ENOUGH THAT WOULD COME TO YOU, NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HANDLED INTERNALLY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, MAYBE.
AND IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY A COMPLAINT THAT COMES FROM A CITIZEN, TOO, IT USUALLY COMES TO THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION WOULD BEGIN.
AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE FINDINGS FOR THAT, THEN THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL WOULD BEGIN.
SO BRIAN, YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT AND IF YOU THINK IT RISES OR YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, WELL, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE THE ATTORNEY THAT YOU COULD GET INVOLVED, YOU COULD ASK FOR THE OPINION.
AND THEN IF THE ATTORNEY MADE THE DECISION THAT YES, THAT WAS THEN THAT COULD GO TO THE, TO THE SYSTEMS REVIEW BOARD.
SO MY POINT WAS THAT IF SOMEBODY COMPLAINS THAT THEY'RE MAD ABOUT SOMEBODY WITHIN AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, WE HAVE INVESTED, WE HAVE INTERNAL POLICIES THAT DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY MADE THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU BELIEVED THE ATTORNEY SHOULD LOOK AT, CAUSE YOU THINK IT COULD BE A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THIS PROCESS THE SAME AS IT WOULD, IF IT WAS ON, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLEAR THAT UP, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST COMPLAINTS FROM EVERYBODY COMING EVERY DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BECAUSE WE'VE SAID THAT IT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE THAT IS KIND OF THE QUALIFIER THAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
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WE WE'D HAVE TO FLUSH OUT IN MORE DETAIL.HOW, IF, AND HOW PERSONNEL MATTERS WOULD MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AT THIS POINT, NO POLICY EXISTS, NO POLICY EXISTS ON THAT.
AND I, WITHOUT HAVING ANY FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR, WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, ANY OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT PERSONNEL MATTERS NOT BE CONSIDERED AS ANY ISSUE RELEVANT TO THIS BOARD AND ITS POTENTIAL PURVIEW UNTIL SUCH TIME, AS WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THAT THIS BE AN ISSUE SIMPLY RELATED TO THE EXECUTION OF POLICY, UH, AND ONLY POST.
AND IF WE FIND DOWN THE ROAD THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL HERE NOW.
SO, SO THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T ADD A SPOKE IF WE, IF WE NEED TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MA'AM UM, WITH REGARD TO COUNCILMAN SHAW STATEMENT AND EVERY MODEL I LOOKED OUT, UM, ACROSS THE NATION, I THINK THE HANGUP IS CCRB VERSUS HAVING THE WORD POLICE IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
A CCRB DOES SOUND LIKE IT'S, UM, OVER EVERY EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING IN ON, UM, SORRY, CHIEF LIGHTENER FOCUSING IN ON THE PROBLEM.
AND, UH, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I, AS I LOOKED AT THOSE DIFFERENT MODELS, I NOTICED THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE CCRV OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HUNDRED ACRONYMS OUT THERE, UM, THEY WERE ALL SPECIFIC TO, UH, POLICE, UH, AND EVERY MODEL I LOOKED DOWN.
SO I THINK THE FOCUS WILL MOST DEFINITELY BE ON NOW.
UM, SO, UH, RICHARD, THE REASON I WANT TO BRING THAT UP IS I KIND OF WENT DOWN THE SAME LINE OF REASONING AS YOU DID.
I THOUGHT, WELL, CCRB, MAYBE THAT SHOULD INCLUDE THE FIREMAN, BUT, UH, I DO SEE THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THE MODELS THAT, UH, POLICE HAS DEFINITELY CALLED OUT, UM, MY SECOND STATEMENT WOULD JUST BE THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK WE SCHEDULED THIS MEETING TONIGHT, SO WE COULD TALK AT YOU.
I THINK WE WANT TO TALK WITH YOU.
AND SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THE POLICY SO FAR.
UM, UH, W THE STEPS THAT BRIAN HAS OUTLINED, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, IF THERE ARE ANY THINGS IN THERE THAT, UH, ARE STILL STICKING IN YOUR CRAWL ABOUT, UH, LET'S HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE AWAY FROM THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK YOU ALL A QUESTION.
WHAT IS YOUR, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS BEING A CITY BOARD VERSUS IT BEING AN INDEPENDENT OR EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE PROS AND CONS.
SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK THE PROS AND CONS ARE OF BOTH TYPES OF FRAMEWORKS.
THAT'S THE FIRST ONE, RHONDA, WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE, UH, INDEPENDENT VERSUS CITY CITY BOARD VERSUS AN INDEPENDENT OR EXTERNAL CONJUNCT PACKING AND MATURE.
UH, JUST BRIEFLY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LOOKING AT THE, JUST THOSE TWO SPECIFIC MODELS, UM, I HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR INDEPENDENT BECAUSE IT TRULY IS INDEPENDENT.
I THINK FROM A COMFORT LEVEL, MRS. SMITH OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT NEEDS TO FILE SOMETHING, IS HER COMFORT LEVEL, A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IT'S A CITY FORD.
UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THE INDEPENDENT BOARDS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY TRULY ARE JUST THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION ON IT.
UH, I THINK IT WILL WORK EITHER WAY, UH, HERE IN THE CITY.
OBVIOUSLY YOUR BOARD IS AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT HERE IN THE CITY, OUR BOARDS ARE, ARE INDEPENDENT AND THEN RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL, BUT I TRULY INDEPENDENT BOARD MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ALL THE 5 0 1 C3 AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME JUST FROM A, THE PUBLIC'S VIEW OF THIS TO THE TRULY INDEPENDENT BOARD WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
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YEP.UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UM, I, I TRULY BELIEVE I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WEB.
UH, MY PREFERENCE WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD, UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE BEEN HAVING AN ISSUE, UH, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MODELS, UM, EVEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE FURTHEST EXTENT MODEL.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK, UH, INDIANAPOLIS, UM, I KNOW VEGAS WAS MENTIONED, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU EVEN START LOOKING AT THEM WHEN THEIR GOAL, THEIR FRAMEWORK WAS TO MAKE IT AS INDEPENDENT AS POSSIBLE, THERE'S STILL A TIE TO THE CITY.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FUNDAMENTALLY MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S INDEPENDENT, BUT STILL HAS A NEED TO HAVE AN ARM OF THE CITY AT SOME POINT, UM, WHETHER THAT'S TO FULFILL THE VACANCIES OF THAT BOARD TO HAVE, UM, RESOURCES OF THE CITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE 5 0 1 C3 CONCEPT TO SUBPOENA POWER.
HOW, HOW CAN YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT, ALL OF YOUR ONCE AS AN INDEPENDENT BOARD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED CITY RESOURCES.
UM, I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S QUITE FIGURED THAT OUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OUT OF ALL OF THE VARIOUS MODELS.
IF YOU CAN JUST PICK PARTS OF EACH ONE AND CREATE SOMETHING.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S FIGURED IT OUT.
I I'D LOVE TO SOMEHOW FIGURE THIS OUT FOR THIS ONE AND BE THAT WORKING MODEL THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS FIGURED OUT.
BUT, UM, I GUESS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, UH, MY INTELLIGENCE LEVELS OF CREATING THIS BOARD WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN MINOR IS NOT THERE.
UM, I, I THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF CITY ASPECT TO IT.
UM, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT INDEPENDENT ENOUGH THAT, UM, MR AND MRS JOHN Q TAXPAYER CAN COME IN OR, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT AT B AND FILED THAT COMPLAINT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, THAT IT IS INDEPENDENT.
HOW DO WE CONVEY THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS GOING TO BE CITY INPUT? THOSE ARE QUESTIONS.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THERE.
THANK YOU, GLENN, I'LL BE BRIEF.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE MORE INDEPENDENT, THE BETTER, IF IT CAN'T BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IN ITSELF PROVIDES FOR THOSE WHO MAY HAVE ISSUES A MORE, A BIT BETTER VISUAL FAIRNESS IF IT'S NOT DIRECTLY TIED.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONNECTIONS HERE AND THERE SOMEHOW TO HANDLE THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT THE MORE INDEPENDENT IT IS, THE BETTER, IN MY OPINION.
UM, TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD, UM, DATE AND HAS A CCRB, CORRECT.
SO TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OUTSIDE THE CITY, WE WOULD HIRE DAYTON CCRB TO DO THAT WORK FOR US.
WOULD THAT BE INDEPENDENT? THAT'D BE AN EXAMPLE OF A INDEPENDENT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE VIEWED AS THAT.
SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT IN THE CITY.
THAT, THAT WAS ONE THOUGHT I HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WE CAN UTILIZE, UH, CHIEF WHEN WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OR A SERIOUS INJURY, UM, INVOLVING A POLICE OFFICER, UM, THAT INVESTIGATION IS TAKEN OUT OF THE CITY AS IT, IS IT NOT IN AN INDEPENDENT, SEPARATE INVESTIGATION? YES.
ANY OFFICER INVOLVED, UH, USE OF FORCE DEADLY USE OF, NOPE.
I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WORKING.
ANY, UH, DEADLY FORCE OR A SERIOUS INJURY INFLICTED AS IS INVESTIGATED BY BCI BCI.
SO WHETHER THAT'S DAYTON OR SOMEBODY ELSE, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
I'M ALSO FINE WITH EMPOWERING OUR OWN COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE FOR A CCRB, UM, TO DO THAT FI SO I GUESS I'M FLEXIBLE EITHER WAY, BUT I THINK TO BE TRULY INDEPENDENT WOULD BE GOOD.
THE NEGATIVES TO THAT IS IF WE HIRE DATE AND THE CCRB, THEN THEY'RE NOT CITIZENS REPRESENTING, INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE OUR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBER MEMBERS WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING DO HAVE THAT INVESTMENT.
SO THERE, BUT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS AND THEIR INTENT.
ARE THEY INTENDING TO DO THE BEST JOB POSSIBLE OR IS THERE AN INTENT TO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THEIR OWN AGENDA? SO I THINK THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO EITHER ONE.
AND I'M FINE AND OPEN TO EACH ONE.
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DO YOU THINK THIS IS SOMETHING MAYBE FIRST CHAIR MIGHT LOOK AT THAT WE USE THE SUBURBS TO PUT TOGETHER A COMMISSION CAN BE USED ACROSS THE COUNTY OTHER THAN DAYTON, WHERE THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH COMMUNITY TO BE INDEPENDENT? I DON'T KNOW.I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD IDEA THAT, UM, I MEAN THE FIRST TIER IS EVER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES AROUND WELL, 12 COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND THE CITY OF DAYTON AND, UM, UH, IT WAS KIND OF A CCRB ON A GLOBAL SCALE FOR ALL THE FIRST YEAR SUBURBS.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT REPRESENTATIVES FROM EVERY COMMUNITY.
YOU'VE GOT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE STATE THAT COME IN, UH, FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, I KNOW I WAS JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT MIAMI VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS COUNCIL.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT FUNNEL INTO THAT ORGANIZATION, UM, THAT ALMOST EVERY CITY AND TOWNSHIP IS A PART OF.
UM, AND IT IS A 5 0 1 C3 DIVERSE, IS IT A DIVERSE BODY? WELL, THE THING IS RHONDA, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THAT THEY WOULD MAKE UP, THEY WOULD FORM A COMMISSION THAT WOULD BE DIVERSE, BUT IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE FIRST CHEER 5 0 1 C3.
AND IT'D BE A REPRESENTATIVE, A DIVERSE REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THOSE 12 COMMUNITIES FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
DAYTON'S JUST NOT IN IT, THEY'RE THEIR OWN ENTITY, BUT IT'S ALL THE OTHER SUBURBS.
IT'S KETTERING AND IT'S WEST CARROLLTON AND VANDALIA AND, AND CLAYTON AND TROTWOOD MIAMISBURG.
AND SO IF WE HAD A DIVERSE FROM EACH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, THEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW, FROM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE JUST LOOKING AT HUBER'S.
THEY WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THEIR COMMUNITIES AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD GO, OH, WELL, THEY'RE THEY KNOW THIS PERSON AND THIS PERSON THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY'RE RULING THIS WAY.
IT WOULD REALLY GIVE A WIDER REPRESENTATION THAT WOULD, I THINK BE MORE FAIR AND EQUAL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD LOOK FAIR TOO, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE A GROUP OR A MEMBER FROM KETTERING LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR BRIGHTS, OR YOU'D HAVE A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY AND HE WRITES LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT'VE HAPPENED IN MIAMI'S BERG.
RIGHT? SO THE APPEARANCE OF THAT, I THINK CERTAINLY WOULD LOOK MORE FAIR BECAUSE YOU WOULD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF SOMEBODY ON THE INSIDE PROTECTING THEIR OWN FROM A MUNICIPALITY PERSPECTIVE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE, IT WOULD BE MORE BROAD.
UH, SO WHAT I CAN DO IS I I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON OUR NEXT FIRST TIER SUBURBS COUNCIL MEETING FOR THAT.
UM, AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO WHAT I CALL THE PERFECT FIRST TIER SUBURBS GROUP IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, WHICH HAS MID-AMERICA REGIONAL COUNCIL.
IT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CONGLOMERATE OF CITY REPRESENTATIVE COUNCILS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
UH, AND IF THERE'S ANY COG THAT COULD PULL THIS OFF, IT WOULD BE THEM.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE A STAFF THAT PUTS OUR MCRPC TO SHAME.
UM, IT IS, I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY GROUPS ARE APART.
TONY, HOW MANY GROUPS ARE A PART OF MID AMERICA? UM, HOW MANY, I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT THOUGH.
SO I I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
I'VE DONE SOME WORK WITH THEM, A PREVIOUS, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THROUGH NLC.
UM, I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES, BUT A BEST CASE SCENARIO.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET IT ON THE NEXT, UM, AGENDA.
UM, AND, UH, IF, UM, AND, AND, AND OUR MEETINGS, THE DAYTON FIRST-YEAR SUBURBS MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO I CAN GIVE YOU GUYS THAT DATE AND TIME, UM, OF WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND, UM, GIVE YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND MAKE THAT PITCH.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S AT LEAST AN IDEA TO LOOK INTO, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THE INDEPENDENT ROUTE, I THINK THAT MAY, BECAUSE IF YOU WEREN'T, CAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDEPENDENT, THE FIRST REASON IT WOULDN'T BE INDEPENDENT IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY HAS TO PICK WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THE BOARD.
RIGHT? SO IF, IF WHOEVER IS PICKING IS ON THE BOARD, THERE'S AUTOMATICALLY, IT COULD BE A SENSE OF BIAS, RIGHT? I MEAN, LET'S JUST FACE IT.
SOMEBODY HAS TO PICK THE MEMBERS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, INDEPENDENCE, THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY BE INDEPENDENT, THIS, IF HE WRITES, IS PICKING ANYBODY ON THAT BOARD, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONE PERSON, KETTERING IS PICKING ONE PERSON.
THAT'S HOW YOU REALLY GET INDEPENDENT AS A CONGLOMERATE OF VOICES.
OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IS DEPENDENT UPON THE ONE, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR SKILL SET THOUGH.
BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THOSE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IF THE, IF EVER, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, THEY WOULD TAKE THIS AS SERIOUS AS WHAT WE'RE HOPING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE, AND WE HOPE THAT THEY DO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I REALLY SEE IT BEING KABYLIE INDEPENDENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE PICKING AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PICKING WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THAT BOARD.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO GET OUTSIDE
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OF SOMEBODY BELIEVES THERE'S A BIAS SOMEWHERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO PICK THE MEMBERS.AND WITH THE, WITH THE LEGAL COUNSEL OF THE DATE, AND FIRST FIRST-YEAR SUBURBS, IT IS LITERALLY THE CONGLOMERATE OF THE 12, 13 MEMBER COMMUNITY.
UM, SO IF IT'S AN ISSUE WITHIN HEBREW HEIGHTS, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL WOULD STEP UP.
UM, I KNOW WE, UM, AS AN ORGANIZATION RELY HEAVILY ON THE CITY OF KETTERING STAFFING, UM, TO DO A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES.
UM, AND, UM, MARK SWEDERMAN, WHO'S UNFORTUNATELY RETIRING.
UM, DOES HIS STAFF DOES A LOT OF THAT, UH, LEGWORK, UH, THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REACH OUT.
WE'LL WE'LL GET, I CAN DEFINITELY GET SOMETHING ON THE NEXT CALENDAR.
UM, AND, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A TOPIC FOR THE NEXT MEETING, SO THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU JUST PROVIDED THIS ONE.
UM, AND I JUST SAID THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD REMOVE SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN FROM CITY STAFF.
AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY FROM OUR FINANCIAL RESOURCES AS A CITY, I MEAN, LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT AND ALSO COLLABORATING WITH OTHER CITIES, WE, WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING BETTER COALITIONS FIRST YEAR, A LOT MORE, ALLOW ME TO FIRST CLARIFY SOMETHING.
UM, THIS YEAR I DID TAKE A STEP BACK LAST YEAR, I WAS ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD.
I TOOK A STEP BACK THIS YEAR TO DO A LOT MORE WORK WITH THE NLC.
UM, MS. KITCHEN IS OUR CITY'S PRIMARY REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THEN, SO ALL OF THE WORK THAT REFORM HAS DONE, WHAT COME INTO PLAY WITH THAT? YES.
FIRST YEAR WANTING TO RECREATE THE WHEEL.
YEAH, I THINK THEY WOULD BE ONE, THEY WOULD WANT TO BE INVOLVED, BUT ANY WORK THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE TO THEM WOULD JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR, YOU KNOW, CAUSE LIKE ANYTHING, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO THE, TO THE TABLE ABOUT AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE THE LONGER IT TAKES.
SO THE BETTER FOUNDATION WE HAVE TO START THAT I THINK THEY WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO IT.
AND I THINK THIS ACTUALLY WOULD BE A GREAT SEGUE, MR. STEVENS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION INCLUDE IN YOUR, YOUR FEBRUARY EMAIL, LET'S DO SOMETHING.
CAN WE CREATE SOMETHING NOBODY ELSE HAS DONE? I THINK WE'RE ON A PATHWAY TO DO THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, A LOT OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DON'T HAVE THIS FRAMEWORK IN PLACE.
SO WE ARE TALKING TO A LOT OF HR DEPARTMENTS AND CITY MANAGERS THAT WOULD HAVE A BIT OF A SIGH OF RELIEF THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HELP THEM OUT A BIT ON THAT.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GETTING SOME STAFF ASSISTANCE FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES.
SO, UM, YEAH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, TOMORROW I'LL REACH OUT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND UH, I'LL REACH OUT TO, UH, UH, TO OUR PRESIDENT.
UM, I'LL GET WITH MS. KITCHEN TOMORROW.
WE'LL PUT SOME FRAMEWORK CONVERSATIONS TOGETHER.
UH, WE'LL GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
UM, EACH ONE OF OUR MEETINGS ARE HELD AT DIFFERENT CITIES THROUGHOUT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UM, SO IT WILL LET YOU KNOW WHERE THAT MEETINGS AT.
UM, SO EVERYBODY CAN BE, BE IN ATTENDANCE WHAT'S THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE NOT ONLINE.
UM, BUT WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
BUT THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
RIGHT ON MS. KITCHEN, YOU GET A GOLD STAR FOR THE DAY.
AND I THINK IT STILL PUTS HUBER HEIGHTS IN A GREAT SPACE BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IN THE DEI SPACE AND THAT REFORM HAS DONE TOWARDS THIS INITIATIVE.
SO, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT EITHER.
SO YOU KNOW, IT REALLY COULDN'T BE ALMOST A GLOBAL SOLUTION.
AND WOULD THAT SATISFY YOUR REQUEST THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT HAVING IT INDEPENDENT? I THINK BEING INDEPENDENT IS GOING TO BE MORE BENEFICIAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION THINKS, BUT I THINK THE LESS CONTROL, I HATE THAT WORD, BUT THE LESS CONTROL THE, THE LESS PERCEIVED CONTROL.
LET ME SAY THAT THERE IS THE BETTER, I THINK PEOPLE WERE MORE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT.
I THINK LIKE, LIKE, YEAH, LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, OPTICALLY RIGHT.
DEFINITELY LOOKS, IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER.
SO, SO IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, OBVIOUSLY I THINK, I THINK, WELL, ALL IN ALL EMBRACE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE DAYTON METRO REGION AND WE ALL HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN THE DAYTON AREA, BUT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND THE DATE AND AREA THAT'S BAD, I MEAN, ALL, WE, WE ALL FEEL IT BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY FROM DAYTON AND THOSE SUBURBS.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BE PROACTIVE, TO HELP ALL THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF DEVELOPING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK COULD BE, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT'S HELPING ALL OF US.
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I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, W WHEN WE TELL PEOPLE WHERE WE LIVE, WE MIGHT SAY THE PAPER HEIGHTS, BUT IT'S EASIER TO SAY YOU LIVE IN DAYTON OR AROUND DAYTON, OR, AND I THINK EVERYBODY DOES, DOES THAT, WHERE THEY LIVE, BECAUSE DAYTON IS GEOGRAPHICALLY KNOWN FOR MOST PEOPLE.SO THE DAYTON REGION, UH, WE ALL HAVE CONNECTIONS TO, AGAIN, THROUGH THE GUMBY COUNTY AND THE, IN RPC AND FIRST TIER, WE'RE ALL INTERCONNECTED.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE NOT TO TRY TO USE THEM.
UH, AND THAT ORGANIZATION GLOBALLY, AS MARK SAID, TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION HERE, UH, I THINK ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES WOULD PROBABLY BE WELCOMING TO THAT.
SO NOBODY WANTS TO BE, NOBODY WANTS TO WAKE UP.
I GUARANTEE YOU, THERE'S NO COUNCIL NUMBER.
THERE'S NO MAYOR IN THIS AREA THAT WANTS TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING TO, TO A NEW STORY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, AFRICAN-AMERICANS BEEN SHOT BY A POLICE OFFICER OR SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO THAT NAME.
SO ANYONE CAN DO TO PREVENT THAT AND BE PROACTIVE.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE CAN DO IT AT THAT SCALE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST, UM, LOOK INTO.
AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE TOPIC, UH, THAT MY, YOU KNOW, MY SELF IN THIS KITCHEN, WON'T, WE'LL GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS TO HAVE THAT INITIAL OPENING CONVERSATION.
HOWEVER, I THINK THE OTHER TOPICS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, WE, WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH AND HAVE CONVERSATION ON AND GET THAT FRAMEWORK IRONED OUT TO A BLACK AND WHITE DOCUMENT, UH, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THE MEMBERSHIP THAT, UH, DATE DAYTON FIRST TIER SUBURBS IS, UH, UM, IS DEFINITELY ONE THAT WANTS TO SEE THINGS IN BLACK AND WHITE, UH, AND SIMPLIFIED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE MORE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT DOCUMENTATION OF HOW THAT FRAMEWORK IS GOING TO BE IRONED OUT THE, THE FORM OF THE COMPLAINTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY ON A GLOBAL SCALE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE MINUTE THINGS CAN BE WORKED OUT INTERNALLY WITH THE EXECUTIVE BOARD, BUT LET'S DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO IN THERE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE WORK THAT, UM, THE STAFF AND HER PHONE COMPANY'S ALREADY DONE.
I THINK LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, THE TIRE DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN HAVE, AND STILL CONTINUE TO WORK HERE LOCALLY, UM, USE TO GET THEM ON BOARD.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I THINK NOBODY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT US DOING THE WORK FOR THEM, UH, THAT THEY WOULD BE THE BENEFICIARIES OF IN THE END.
UM, BUT THEN EVERYBODY'S STUFF KIND OF AN OPINION, OR BE ABLE TO, TO WORK THAT DOWN THROUGH IN A, OR THROUGH FIRST HERE.
BUT YEAH, I THINK WE STILL USE WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD AS THE TEMPLATE FOR THEM.
WELL, AND AS, AS COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL STATED ON MORE OF A GLOBAL SCALE, LITERALLY BRINGING IT TO GLOBAL GLOBAL SCALE, UH, MS. STEVENS, MUSSELMAN, UM, I KNOW I'VE SHARED A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM MY RECENT LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE WITH NLC, WITH YOU FOLKS, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER.
UM, WITH MY, UH, MY ADVOCACY WITH THE REAL COUNCIL, THIS IS SOMETHING I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE TO KANSAS CITY.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS, AT LEAST FUNDAMENTALLY FOR A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU EVEN CONVERSATIONS IN ATLANTA, THERE IS NOT A, A COG OF THIS NATURE THAT DOES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AND DISCUSSING HERE TODAY.
EVERY CITY HAS TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES AT SOME FORM OF FASHION.
UM, I THINK THE CLOSEST AS A COUNTY, UM, HAS TAKEN IT AND TAKEN IT UPON ITSELF.
BUT AS FAR AS A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO THIS MAGNITUDE, IT'S NOT BEEN DONE.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS, BUT WE MAY BE VERY CLOSE.
MA'AM I GUESS I NEED TO, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? OKAY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE REVIEW BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO RESPOND TO A COUNCILMAN WEB.
HE, HE ASKED ABOUT, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, HOW TO, WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED TO DATE, I THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT BRIAN PRESENTED.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY, YEAH, I THINK SO FAR EVERYTHING AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE MEETINGS.
AND SO EVERYTHING YOU SHARED WAS BASED OFF A LOT OF INPUTS THAT WE PROVIDED.
SO IN TERMS OF THE INITIAL FRAMEWORK AND, UH, THAT'S BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED SO FAR, RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SHAPING UP TO LOOK LIKE WHAT WE, WHAT WE ENVISIONED.
I THINK IF I MAY ADD ONE THING, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I JUST, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS INITIATIVE LOOKS AT AS MEN MENTAL HEALTH, THE MENTAL HEALTH PIECE, IF WE CAN INVOLVE NAMING, UM, OR AN ORGANIZATION THAT YOU KNOW IS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND HOW MENTAL HEALTH SOMETIMES GETS IN THE WAY OF PROPER POLICING.
UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
AND THEN ONE LAST, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION IS ALWAYS INCLUDED
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AND EMBEDDED IN EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ACROSS OTHER SUBURBS, BECAUSE I'M MEETING WITH OTHER SUBURBS AND THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE CCRB, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MENTAL HEALTH IN THESE SITUATIONS AND THAT DIVERSITY AND EQUITY AND INCLUSION IS IMPORTANT IN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, SO, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT I, WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE IDEA GLOBALLY WITH, WITH FIRST HERE IS THAT THERE'S NOT A PERSON UP HERE AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU, YOU, YOU GO TO WORK IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU MAYBE GO OUT TO DINNER AND OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU MAY BE PULLED OVER BY POLICE AND OTHER COMMUNITIES.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH HERE.
WE ALL DON'T JUST LIVE AND WORK AND EAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO FROM A, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND BEING PROACTIVE, THE MORE INVOLVED WE CAN GET OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND DAYTON THAT WE ALL VISIT, I THINK THE BETTER, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA, RHONDA, I'M SITTING ON FIRST HERE, YOU KNOW, ME, I WON'T LET YOUR MISSION OR PASSION DIE.
ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR REVIEW BOARD DISCUSSION? I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY CLEAR PATH FORWARD.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WORKING REFORM, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE CHIEF POLICE AND, AND BRIAN AND KATIE STAFF, UH, TO CONTINUE KIND OF NARROWING THIS DOWN.
WE HAVE A WAY FORWARD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT FIRST TIER TO SEE, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT'S LIKE.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THIS REPORT, WHAT YOU GUYS FIND OUT BACK TO BRIAN AND STAFF, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER, UH, WORK SESSION DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAVE AN UPDATE REGARDING FIRST HEAR WHAT THAT WAS AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM HER PHONE COMMITTEE, KATE, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.
MA'AM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY MAYBE IF IT'S AUGUST THING CAN GET ON THE SEPTEMBER AGENDA, 30 DAYS, THE NEXT WORD SESSION AFTER THAT MONTH, COULD WE PUT IT ON WHATEVER THEY COME BACK WHEN THEY THINK THEY'RE READY TO COME BACK? WE PUT ON THE WORK SESSION A MONTH AFTER, IS THAT GOOD? OKAY.
WELL, AS SOON AS WE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SITE.
SO I DIDN'T BEAT WAS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO, UM, BROW, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST TO SPEAK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, A TOPIC WE HAD, THERE WAS, UH, SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY MRS. BERGE AND THEN THE, THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION, UH, FAILED THAT NIGHT.
SO I THINK THIS IS STILL SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, DO, DO WE BRING THIS, WE BRING THIS BACK WILL BE FUTURE LEGISLATION, UH, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
SO, UM, JUST AS A, AS A, UM, I GUESS JUST AS A STARTING POINT, COUNCIL'S ALREADY PASSED LEGISLATION, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS IN JANUARY OF 2021, UH, THAT AUTHORIZED THE, UH, THE RFP TO BE RELEASED FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO THAT AUTHORIZATION IS, IS ALREADY OUT THERE.
UM, IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS COUNSELOR, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS THE COMMISSION, UM, UH, TO BE RELEASED FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT LEGISLATION, UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY NO MONEY ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET TO FUND THAT, UH, TO FUND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, IF IT WERE TO BE RELEASED TODAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.
AND SO DOLLARS COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE, UH, ONCE AN RFP OR EXCUSE ME, ONCE AN RFQ WAS, WAS RELEASED AND A VENDOR IDENTIFIED IN A CONTRACT, A SCOPE, UH, NEGOTIATED AND PRICED, UM, STAFF HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD, UM, ON THE INITIATIVE, UH, ONLY BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, I GUESS THERE WAS A WANT, UM, TO PUT THE, UH, TO PUT THE RFQ, UM, INTO THE MARKETPLACE, BUT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE QUALIFYING CONTENT OF THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.
UH, AND THAT SEEMED TO BE AN ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO BE RESOLVED BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION AS THE COMMISSION WAS OF THE OPINION THAT THEIR PRODUCT WAS, UM, UH, WAS INAPPROPRIATE PRODUCT.
AND THEN THERE WAS CONCERN FROM COUNSEL THAT NO, THAT WAS NOT.
SO WE REMAIN, UH, WILLING TO EXECUTE WHATEVER THE POLICY DIRECTION IS FROM COUNCIL.
UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT AGAIN, IF THAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION OR WHATEVER THE END RESOLUTION IS, WE ARE, WE'RE PREPARED TO ACT IN THAT WAY, BUT THERE IS AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION, UH, TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENT WHEN IT'S WRITING.
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UM, RICK, I THINK TONY, LET'S, LET'S ADD THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AGAIN, IN THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.UM, AND SO COUNCIL HAVE ONE, ONE LAST SUMMER, ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS, UH, THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT TO RELEASE, UM, THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
AND THEN IF WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THAT'S THE ROUTE WE TAKE, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THEN, BUT A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION BE REQUIRED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE SPEND, FOR THE, FOR THE BUDGET TO PREPARE FOR THAT.
THE RF, THE RFQ WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE APPROACH, THE APPROPRIATION THAT WOULD BE ONCE THE FIRM IS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE RFQ AND THE CONTRACTS NEGOTIATED.
SO, UH, THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION WOULD COME ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 120 DAYS LATER.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING KIND OF WORKED UP AND AT LEAST IN THE WORKS, COULD THAT DOCUMENT BE SHARED AMONGST US AND THE GROUP AS WELL FOR INPUT? UH, I COULD SEND THAT ALL OUT AGAIN.
IT WAS PART OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS NOT APPROVED AT THE RECENT COUNCIL MEETING, UH, FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE EXISTING DOCUMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
IT'S LIKE YOU GET EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THERE THAT THEY FEEL SHOULD, OR SHOULDN'T BE.
SO MAYBE AS A LEAD UP TO THAT, IF I DISTRIBUTE THAT IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS, IF YOU COULD, UH, SEND THOSE DIRECTLY TO ME.
AND THEN I WOULD INCORPORATE ALL THOSE COMMENTS FOR DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION, THAT'LL WORK FOR ME ANYTHING.
UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT LAST TIME, UM, I HAD DISTRIBUTED SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF I GAVE IT TO ALL OF COUNCIL, BUT I PROVIDED IT TO THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE MVR PC, UH, EQUITY MANAGER WHO, UH, EXPRESSED HIS CONCERNS THAT WE, UH, HAD NOT PROPERLY BOUNDED.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO ASK FOR TOO MUCH, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING, UM, UH, FOR BIDDERS TO GET THEIR ARMS AROUND EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND IT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FOLKS, UH, CONTACT, UH, HIM AND, UM, SEE IF YOU, IF HE COULD HELP YOU, UM, BETTER IT AND FILL IN SOME OF THE BLANKS THAT, UH, STILL NEEDED TO BE FILLED IN SO THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS READY TO GO OUT.
AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF YOU GUYS HAD FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM YET, OR, UH, HAVE YOU, UH, RE-EVALUATED THE, UH, RFQ, HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION ON THIS? I HAVE, I HAVE NOT.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS WITH THE MVR PC WHERE MR. CARLTON ELI WAS THERE AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS A LOT.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BECOMING ANOTHER FULL-TIME JOB FOR THIS COMMISSION.
UM, WELL I THINK, AND I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERTAX US, BUT WE, WHAT WE DID, WE BENCHMARKED OTHER CITIES AROUND, NOT JUST LOCALLY.
UM, WE LOOKED AT OTHER RFQ RFPS FROM OTHER CITIES WE CONTACTED MCRPC WE HAVE SPENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS ON THIS, AND HONESTLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GOING BACK TO START THIS PROCESS OVER AGAIN, TO BE HONEST, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
IT FEELS LIKE WE CREATED SOMETHING.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH, UM, MR.
AND I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT THIS COMMISSION TO HAVE TO DO WORK THEN DO WORK AGAIN, THEN DO THE WORK AGAIN.
SO I THINK, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT POINT, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A DEI LENS AND BECAUSE WE DID BENCHMARK IT BECAUSE WE DID ALREADY TALK TO MVP RC WHEN MR. ELEY WAS THERE AND WORKED WITH HIM ON THIS, DID HE PROVIDE YOU ANY FEEDBACK? ABSOLUTELY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SHARE IT WITH COUNSEL IT'S ALREADY INCORPORATED INTO THE DOCUMENT? THESE WERE, WE HAD MEETINGS, ZOOM MEETINGS WITH HIM.
WELL I JUST, UM, I'M, I HAVE TO TAKE, I HAVE TO TAKE THE WORD OF, OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT'S IN HIS POSITION RIGHT NOW THAT THIS HAS JUST EXTREMELY TOO BROAD, UH, THAT THE BIDS THAT WE GET
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IN WILL NOT GET US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT IT WILL BE SO LARGE.IT THAT, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND TOO BROAD THAT IT, IT, IT, IT, UH, IT EXCEEDS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT BOUNDARIES, AND THEN IT GOES INTO MORE COMMUNITY BIAS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU FOLKS TO PLEASE LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, PLUS THE FACT THERE ARE STILL SOME HOLES IN THERE THAT DON'T HAVE A CONTENT THERE'S BLANKS, THERE'S TITLES, AND NO INFORMATION IN THERE.
SO IF YOU FOLKS WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AS TIGHT AS IT CAN BE.
SO WHEN WE HANDED OUT TO VENDORS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE BIDDING ON, AND EVERY VENDOR WILL INTERPRET IT THE VERY SAME WAY, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUCH A HODGEPODGE OF RESPONSES THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO EVALUATE ONE BID AGAINST THE OTHER, TO GIVE YOU AND THE CITY, WHAT WE NEED OUT OF THIS ASSESSMENT, I WILL SAY FROM, FROM MY DEI CONSULTANT HAT, UM, AND BECAUSE I HAVE RESPONDED TO RFQ BEFORE, AND I'M VERY WELL CONNECTED TO THE DEI COM COMMUNITY, THAT IT'S NOT A BIG ASK CONSULTANTS WHO ARE IN THIS SPACE CAN HANDLE THIS.
UM, AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT FROM MY EXPERTISE AND MY EXPERIENCE, BUT I MEAN, WE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GOING BACK AND LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AGAIN, I THINK WE JUST FINISHED DOING THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WORKED WITH, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH IT AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, I WHAT'D YOU PLACE AND REVIEW THE COMMENTS THAT HE PROVIDED THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU AND TO SEE IF MAYBE THEY WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO YOU.
AND, AND RE-EVALUATING IT, I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON IT.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO TIGHTEN IT UP SO THAT WE GET A COMMON RESPONSE TO IT.
NANCY COULD, COULD WE JUST SEND THE DOCUMENT? WE HAVE TO HIM AND HAVE HIM LOOK AT IT.
AND THE ONE THAT WE LANDED, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE ONE THAT WE HAVE HAS HOLES IN IT.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
CAN WE TAKE THAT DOCUMENT AND JUST SEND IT TO THE GUY THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO? YOU HAVE HIM PROVIDE THE THING.
SO DO WE HAVE HIS FEEDBACK AND ARE WE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH WHAT HIS FEEDBACK WAS? NO.
YEAH, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME ALSO SAY, UH, MR. ELEY HAS MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS WORK, THIS GENTLEMAN FOR BREEZE, HE, HE IS NEW IN HIS POSITION.
HE'S BEEN IN IT FOUR MONTHS AND HE DOES NOT HAVE THE AMOUNT OF TECHNICAL EXPERTISE THAT MR. ELEY, YOU KNOW, YOU REALIZE.
UM, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, RESPONDING TO RFQ FROM HER EXPERIENCE, DOING WHAT SHE DOES AS A DEI CONSULTANT, UM, AND ALL OF US AS PROFESSIONALS AT THE TABLE, MR. AKINS, DR.
AKINS, EXCUSE ME, ALL OF US HAVE PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
AND, AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE FEEDBACK THAT HE GAVE WAS NOT OF MUCH SIGNIFICANCE, THAT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
SO BRIAN, IF WE RELEASE THIS AND SEND IT OUT, W WOULD, WOULD VENDORS, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE, AND WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING OUT TO BID OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, THERE'S THERE ESTABLISHED RULES AND ETHICS THAT GO AROUND THAT COULD A VENDOR LOOK AT THAT BID AND SAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, AND THEN WE COULD OFFER CLARIFICATION.
OR ONCE THAT GOES OUT, IS THERE, IS THERE NO COMMUNICATION FROM THAT POINT? OR WOULD SOMEONE JUST SAY, YEAH, THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH.
I'M NOT EVEN GONNA, UM, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BID AS A FIRM.
SO THIS WOULD BE SO KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PRICING.
WE'RE ASKING FOR VENDORS TO TELL US WHY THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO DO THE WORK THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, BASED ON THE RESPONSES THAT THAT WOULD COME, UM, THE VENDOR WOULD BE SELECTED THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS TO DETERMINE FOR WHATEVER THE SCALE IS, WHATEVER THE QUALIFYING CRITERIA OR THIS IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO DO THE WORK.
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WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THROUGH MY OFFICE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMISSION OR WITH COUNCIL, HOWEVER, THAT, THAT COMES TOGETHER.THAT'S WHEN THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD BE NEGOTIATED.
AND THE PRICING WOULD COME INTO PLAY IN THAT, IN THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS, OR WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT CLEAR OR SURE ON THIS AND COMMUNICATION WILL HAPPEN AS THEY'RE PRESENTING THEIR QUALIFICATIONS.
TH THAT, THAT COMES AFTER THE FACT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FIRMS AND THIS FIRM'S GOING TO HAVE 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF THE EYE AND, AND COMMUNITY ASSESSMENTS.
AND THIS, THIS GROUP OVER HERE IS GOING TO HAVE THREE YEARS.
AND THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO SAY YOU THREE YOU'RE YOU'RE OUT 20 YEAR, YOU'RE THE MOST QUALIFIED.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE, THE, THAT CONSULTANT.
WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU'RE THE MOST QUALIFIED WE'RE IDENTIFYING YOU'D PASS LEGISLATION THAT IDENTIFIES THEM AS THE MOST QUALIFIED CONSULTANT, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT.
AND WE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST TO DO ALL THIS WORK? AND THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND BE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE READY TO SPEND.
WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE CONSULTANT WOULD COME BACK AND SAY THAT THE RESPONDENT WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I COULD DO THIS AMOUNT OF WORK FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND THEN WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND.
AND THEY MIGHT SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.
AND THEN THAT BECOMES A POLICY DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL AND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
THE CONSULTANT, THE RFQ COULD ASK FOR THE SUN AND THE MOON AND THE STARS.
AND, AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT ULTIMATELY THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE.
SO ONE LAST QUESTION, IN YOUR OPINION, IS THE RFQ READY TO GO OUT TO INTERVIEW COMPANY? I STAND BY MY COMMENTS FROM THE APRIL 2ND BRIEFING OF THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS THAT IT IS MY, IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT I THINK THAT THE SCOPE OF THE AGREEMENT IS TOO BROAD, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE, THAT THE RFQ, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE SCOPE OF THE RFQ WAS TOO BROAD AS WRITTEN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE DOCUMENT ISN'T READY TO BE RELEASED.
IS IT A GOOD STARTING POINT? AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE DOCUMENT IS TOO BROAD, BUT IT IS CAPABLE OF BEING RELEASED TO SOLICIT CONSULTANTS WHO WOULD, WHO ADVISE TO BE THE MOST COMPETENT AND EXPERIENCED CONSULTANT TO PERFORM THE WORK.
SO, UM, WOULD WE NEED TO GO TO ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT WORK SESSION FOR THIS? OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN ADD TO, TO SPEND IT WAS LEGISLATION BEFORE? CAN WE JUST BRING IT BACK UP AT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING AND, AND, AND TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON THAT, ON THE RFQ? WHAT WOULD THE, WELL, I THINK YOU HEARD BRIAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ALREADY AS THE AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION IN PLACE, CORRECT.
I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF A FORMALITY TO ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT AND MAKE SURE YOU WERE PUTTING YOUR STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT AS A GROUP.
IT COULD ALSO BE DONE BY HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION, REFINING IT IN ANY WAY, DETERMINED, FIT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED BETWEEN NOW AND THAT WORK SESSION, AND THEN INCORPORATING WHATEVER CHANGES YOU AGREE TO AT THAT WORK SESSION AND ISSUING THE BOTTOM.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, COUNSEL, UH, THAT WOULD OBJECT TO RELEASING THAT RFQ AS IT, AS IT STANDS, IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH GRAMMARLY AND IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH SPELL CHECK BEFORE I PUT MY NAME.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE'VE GOT OUR CITY MANAGER WHO WAS SAYING THAT IT IS IT'S OVERLY BROAD, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S OKAY TO GO TO AT LEAST SOLICIT THE RFQ.
I'M GOING TO ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY CONTENT.
SO THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS THAT I HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS DOCUMENT IS THEIR DOCUMENT.
SO I WENT THROUGH AND EVALUATED THE DOCUMENT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN LANGUAGE AND REQUIRED LANGUAGES IN THERE THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
AND WE MADE SURE THAT ALL OF THE LEGAL LANGUAGE WAS IN THERE THAT IS NECESSARY TO BE THERE BASED ON HOW WE'D RUN THESE PROCEDURES BASED ON OUR POLICY AND OUR LAW, SIMILAR TO CONSULTING WITH COUNSEL, I PROVIDED THEM MY ADVICE AND MY RECOMMENDATION JUST AS I WOULD PROVIDE YOU MY ADVICE OR MY RECOMMENDATION, THEY ELECTED NOT TO FOLLOW MY ADVICE OR RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE TO DO SO.
JUST LIKE IT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE TO NOT FOLLOW THE ADVICE OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I MIGHT GIVE.
I, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MY OFFICE HAS NO OTHER OBLIGATION TO EDIT OR MEN OR OTHERWISE, UH, ADDRESS THAT DOCUMENT.
NOW, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE, THEN WE WILL PICK THAT DOCUMENT BACK UP AND ADDRESS THAT BEYOND THAT,
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BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS DOCUMENT, WHO WAS FOREIGN, WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FINALIZE THAT DOCUMENT SO THAT IT IS READY TO HIT THE STREET, BELONGS TO THE COMMISSION.AND WHEN THEY ADVISE US THAT THAT DOCUMENT IS READY TO GO, UNLESS THERE'S ANY COUNTER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE'LL RELEASE THAT RFQ, MARK, UH, BRIAN, OR THE BOARD, UH, IF WE RELEASE THIS, WILL WE GET QUALIFIED COMPANIES? SEVERAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESPONDENTS WE WOULD GET BASED ON AT THIS POINT.
UH, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR QUALIFICATIONS, FOR FIRMS TO RESPOND THAT THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO, TO, UH, TO DO THE WORK OUTLINED.
WE'LL OBVIOUSLY FIND OUT WHEN WE PUT IT OUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S MY POINT, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY AS QUICK, OH, WE'RE SO QUICK.
AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE QUALIFIED COMPANIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS BUSINESS, THIS WORK.
SO WHATEVER'S IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE SEND OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND PITCH US THEIR PROPOSAL ON WHAT THEY THINK OUR NEED IS.
I ASSUME THAT THE, AND WE'LL, I GUESS, RESPOND ACCORDINGLY, RIGHT? OR WE'LL ADJUST IF NEED BE RIGHT.
IF YOU DON'T WORK, YOU DON'T GET ANY BIDS BACK.
THEN MAYBE WE GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND THEN, AND THEN SUGGESTED, RIGHT.
SO I ASSUME YOU'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK, GET QUESTIONS IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN, UM, THEN THE TWO SIDES WE'LL, WE'LL WORK IT FROM THERE.
SO ERIC, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE FLUSHED OUT.
AND MY FRUSTRATION IS WE'VE BEEN WAITING 15 MONTHS TO GET THIS ACCURATE OUT.
SO IF WE JUST GET THE DOCUMENT OUT, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IF WE GET ANY ONE TO RESPOND.
AND IF WE DO WHAT TYPE OF FIRM THEY ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RESUME.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY WHO THEY ARE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
OF COURSE I WORK IN ACQUISITION, SO WE DON'T THE RFQ, BUT I HAVE, WE DO RFS AND RPS, BUT WE DEFINE THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE SUBMIT OUT AN RFP OR RFI DIFF THAT INCLUDES WHAT WE WANT.
YOU KNOW, WE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, THEN WE LOOK FOR VENDORS TO COME BACK OR SUPPLIERS TO COME BACK WITH A RESPONSE TO, TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DEFINED.
AND THEN WE JUST, BUT WOULD YOU PUT OUT AN RFP OR RFI OR RFP THAT IS INCOMPLETE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S INCOMPLETE ABOUT IT.
SO CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC WHAT'S INCOMPLETELY, THERE'S TITLES WITH NO SUBSTANCE TO IT.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH TAKING ANOTHER GLANCE BACK THROUGH FOR MISSING CONTENT, PUNCTUATION AND GRAMMAR ISSUES.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT DR.
EIGHT PINS, MYSELF AND CARLA, UM, SORRY, VOLUNTOLD, UM, ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK BACK THROUGH THOSE, UM, DOCUMENTS AND IDENTIFY ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL KICK IT BACK.
I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEND OUT A PROFESSIONAL DOCUMENT.
SO WE GET A PROTECT PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVE VIA EMAIL, CORRECT? YES.
WHEN WAS THAT SENT TO THE COMMISSION? UH, RIGHT AFTER I GOT IT, BUT I WILL SEND IT AGAIN.
I BELIEVE I SENT IT TO YOLANDA.
YOU SENT IT TO THE TWO OF US? YEAH.
SO I
IF YOU WOULD DO THAT PLACE AND, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, MR. JOANNE, WHO IS NOW WITH THEM VIA RPC, IS HE YOUNGER GENTLEMAN, BUT HE'S HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND HAY BELL.
HE DID A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE PHILADELPHIA, FOR THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA PLUS OTHER CITY.
SO EVEN THOUGH HE'S YOUNGER THAN MR. ELEY, UM, HE'S VERY QUALIFIED.
HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIRED IF HE WASN'T.
I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE.
BUT COUNCIL, WOMAN URGE IS THE, IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT THERE WERE JUST SOME AREAS IN THERE THAT WERE BLANK.
IS THAT WHAT THE, IS THAT REALLY THE BIG ISSUE? YEAH.
AND CHECK THE SPELLING AND STUFF.
YEAH, JUST DOING A SPELL CHECK ON IT.
GLENN, I WAS JUST GOING TO COME IN I'M I'M OKAY WITH IT GOING OUT.
UM, BRIAN, YOU THREW OUT SOME COMMENTS THAT KIND OF PLAYED INTO MY MIND THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE BID ON PROJECTS.
I'VE SENT OUT BIDS ON PROJECTS IN THE PAST, AND THERE'S NOT TOO BIG OF AN ASK.
THE COMPANY'S NOT GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIT A BUNCH OF COMPANIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO, IT'S TOO BIG.
OH, WE CAN DO IT FOR THE RIGHT CROSS.
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SO I MEAN, IF IT'S OVERLY BROAD AND WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH HALF A MILLION DOLLAR QUOTES, WELL THEN WE'LL KNOW WE NEED TO PAIR IT DOWN A BIT.UM, BUT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW, UNTIL WE PUT IT OUT TO FIND OUT, WE MAY FIND OUT WE GET SOMETHING GOOD BACK AND WE CAN ALWAYS RETAILER AND SHIP IT BACK OUT AGAIN.
SO I'M IN AND OUT AS SOON AS IF THERE'S OKAY, THEN JUST HAVE ONE LAST ONE LAST REVIEW AT IT.
UM, AS TARA HAD SAID, WHEN WILL THEY TAKE A STAB AT IT AND GET IT BACK TO US? AND THEN I THINK THAT, UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE WE WOULD, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, UH, A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION JUST SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S OKAY, BECAUSE IF THE LEGISLATION IS ALREADY PASSED, THEN AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY, OBJECTION FROM COUNSEL, THEN WE CAN JUST GIVE DIRECTION TO BRIAN TO GO AHEAD AND RELEASE IT.
WE DON'T NEED FURTHER ACTION OR LEGISLATION TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, SO THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY, WHAT, WHAT WORK SESSION? AUGUST 16TH.
SO BY AUGUST 16TH, IF WE CAN TAKE A STAB AT IT AGAIN BY AUGUST 16 TO HAVE A BACKDOOR SO WE CAN, UH, SO WE CAN REVIEW, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY, SATISFIED, THEN WE CAN JUST GIVE BRIAN DIRECTION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MORE FORMAL LEGISLATIVE ACTION, UH, JUST A GOOD RELEASE IT.
AND I'LL SEND OUT THE DOCUMENT TO EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S WORKING FROM THE SAME DOCUMENT.
YES, MARK BRIAN, WHEN YOU SEND THIS DOCUMENT OUT, HOW MANY BIDDERS WILL BID A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE PROJECT? SO ON THIS FIRST GO ROUND, NONE, THEY'RE ONLY SUBMITTING THEIR NATIONAL MEETING HAT OR A MILLION DOLLAR BIDS OR ANY OF THAT.
WE'RE JUST STARTING THIS PROCESS.
AND OUR PROBLEM IS WE HAVEN'T STARTED IT.
SO IF WE CAN GET THIS WRAPPED UP, YOU COME FROM A DIFFERENT THAN I DO.
I DON'T WANT SPELLING ERRORS ON IT, BUT I MEAN, JUST TO GET THE DOG OUT, WHO'S OUT THERE.
UM, I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS QUESTION UP TO THE ENTIRE BOARD.
UH, IT WAS MENTIONED TO RUN THIS DOCUMENT THROUGH A SPELL CHECK AND LOOK FOR MISSING AREAS.
UM, AND MY LINE OF WORK, BEING A FEDERAL REGULATOR FOR A LARGE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, I KNOW RUNNING A DOCUMENT THROUGH A WORD SPELL CHECK TAKES ABOUT 35 SECONDS.
UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THAT DOCUMENT COULDN'T BE RAN THROUGH A SPELL CHECK AND HAVE A SITE REVIEW BEFORE MONDAY? I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF YOU FIND TWO SPELLING ERRORS, BUT WHERE ALL MICROPHONES WORK, HIGHLY EDUCATED INDIVIDUALS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS.
IF YOU FIND SOME, YOU MAY FIND A COUPLE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE INSULTING TO ME THAT, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME.
I'M SPEAKING FOR ME AT THE LEVEL THAT WE ALL HAVE, THAT WE SIT AT THAT, UM, YOU COUNCIL WOMAN BIRCH HAS SAID NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THERE ARE SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS IN THE DOCUMENTS.
I SAID, THERE ARE THE RHOMBOIDS, RHONDA, THE RHOMBOIDS.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT FIXED KNOW YOU SAID THE GRAMMATICAL.
SO W WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF JUST, JUST SO WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD ON.
CAUSE I I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I'D LIKE TO GET THIS DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN START HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE FIRMS. UM, IF THERE'S ANY WAY, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT DOCUMENT BACK TO OUR CLERK BY MONDAY, UM, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY COME MONDAY'S MEETING TO AMEND THE AGENDA AND ADD THIS ITEM AND MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC DIRECTION IS GIVEN TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO HAVE IT RELEASED AT THAT TIME.
INSTEAD OF AMENDING THE AGENDA, I'D BE OKAY TONIGHT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA.
I WOULD S I WOULD SECOND THAT THANK YOU.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT IN TIME TO REVIEW IT AND AGENDA IS ALREADY GONE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMANDA.
THAT'S WHY I MADE THAT SUGGESTION A MONDAY, BUT AT LEAST I'VE GOT A POTENTIAL SECOND ON MONDAY TO HIM IN THAT REGION.
ANYTHING ELSE? OH, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER THING, RIGHT? UM, I'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING SOME HOMEWORK FROM OUR CONVERSATIONAL AND FIRST TIER SUBURBS.
I GOT A PHONE CALL OUT TOMORROW.
UM, OUR NEXT, UH, FIRST TIER SUBURBS MEETING IS, UH, SEPTEMBER 28TH.
IT'S ON A WEDNESDAY, UH, FIVE 30 TO SEVEN IN THE CITY OF KETTERING.
UM, AND, UM, I JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, I'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT WHILE WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE AND I'LL BE CONTACTING MISS KITCHEN TO, UH, FURTHER THOSE DETAILS.
I PROMISE YOU GONNA PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
I TOLD ME I WAS LOUD, SO, UM, I HAVE A DOCUMENT IT'S JUST
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A RECOMMENDED QUARTERLY DEI ASSESSMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF YOU ALL TO LOOK AT JUST IN YOUR PRIVATE TIME.UM, AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET YOUR RESPONSE ON IT.
THIS INFORMATION DOES COME FROM NETTA JENKINS, WHO IS A TEDX SPEAKER.
SHE'S A LEADING CONSULTANT IN DEI.
UM, AND SHE DOES PROPOSE SOME ACTIONS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN QUARTERLY BY CITY LEADERSHIP, UM, TO ENSURE THAT D E I WORK IS PROGRESSIVE AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO I WANTED TO LEAVE THIS WITH, WITH ALL OF YOU, TONY, YOU CAN MAKE COPIES AND SCAN.
IT'S A 8 0 9 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.