Aug 01, 2022 Council Work Session

OKAY, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

IT IS, UH, AUGUST 1ST, 2022, AND THIS IS A CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 1.

UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE AGAIN, WE HAVE, THESE MICROPHONES ARE DIRECTIONAL.

SO REMEMBER PLEASE, AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE OR ANY COMMENTARY YOU HAVE THIS EVENING, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE BEST YOU CAN.

SO WE, UH, WE MINIMIZE ANY OF THE AUDIO ISSUES THAT, UM, THAT WE MAY HAVE.

SO THIS MEANS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE, MRS. BERG, MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS HERE.

THIS IS KITCHEN, MR. WEBB, MIRRORED WAR ERIC.

AND NEXT UP

[2. Approval of Minutes]

IS I NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ITEM TWO A IS THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, UH, ACTUALLY THE WORK SESSION MINUTES FROM JULY 19TH, 2022.

UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

NOW THOSE WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

BUT JULY 19TH, 2022 MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]

IS OUR NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION AND ITEM THREE A WILL WE ALWAYS START WITH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT WITHIN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSEL'S ATTENTION TONIGHT.

UH, FIRST, TOMORROW NIGHT, UH, AS A REMINDER IS A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, FROM SIX TO EIGHT.

UH, ALSO WANT TO LET FOLKS AT HOME, UH, KNOW THAT, UH, THIS BODY WILL BE MEETING AGAIN ON THURSDAY AND A JOINT MEETING WITH THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION.

UH, ALSO THIS WEEKEND, UH, AGAIN, SATURDAY HOP, HOP, AND DAY OF ACTIVITIES OUT AT THE EICHELBERGER.

UH, WE'LL HAVE THE FARMER'S MARKET IN THE MORNING.

AND THEN, UH, ERIC GERARDI, UH, LATER ON IN THE EVENING AT THE EICHELBERGER.

SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THOSE ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS.

UH, I KNOW WE SPENT SOME QUALITY TIME TALKING ABOUT, UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE DURING THE LAST WORK SESSION.

SO WE'RE A LITTLE THIN ON THAT, UH, THIS GO ROUND, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME UPDATED INFORMATION, UM, FOR, UH, FOR COUNCIL AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, IT'S STILL ON TARGET FOR THOSE SURVEYS AND THINGS THAT ARE BACKED.

UH SEPTEMBER-ISH.

WE ARE STILL ON TARGET FOR THOSE STUDIES.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING HIS UPDATE OR ANYTHING ON THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS NEEDED? JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WASN'T, UM, ENGINEERING STUDIES DONE ON THOSE 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 STREETS.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DO AN ENGINEERING STUDY? HOW INVOLVED DOES IT REFERRING TO A DESIGN OF THE WATER? ABOUT THREE MONTHS BEFORE.

OTHER QUESTIONS.

NEXT UP THREE B, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, JIM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

EVEN BEFORE I DISCUSS THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYONE.

UH, WE JUST RECEIVED WORD, UH, FROM THE AUDITOR OF STATE THAT OUR AUDIT FOR OUR 2021 FINANCIALS WAS ONCE AGAIN, A CLEAN AUDIT.

AND I WOULD EXPECT US IN THE FALL TO BE RECEIVING THE, UM, AUDITORS AWARD WITH DISTINCTION.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT I KNOW MR. LYONS TALKS ABOUT QUITE OFTEN AND, UH, AND OF COURSE WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT AS WELL.

UM, THE SUPPLEMENTAL THAT I HAVE TONIGHT IS JUST GOT ONE ITEM ON IT AND, UM, THAT IS FOR $152,400 FOR ADDING, UH, THE HIRING OF THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC POSITIONS WITH BENEFITS FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2022.

AND PASS IT IN TWO WEEKS FROM MONDAY, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, NOT JUST A QUESTION, JUST A STATEMENT, JIM.

CONGRATULATIONS.

I KNOW YOU AND YOUR OFFICE ALWAYS WORKED HARD AND PROTECTING AND KEEPING TRACK OF THE CITIZENS MONEY.

AND I KNOW THAT STARTED A LONG BEFORE YOU GOT HERE WITH DONNIE JONES, PREVIOUS FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND YOU'VE CONTINUED THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

I'M SURE EVERYONE ON THE DIAS FEELS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

MA'AM THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS AT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS APPROPRIATION ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEMS THAT READING.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU HAD MENTIONED.

YEAH, I THINK WE NEED ORDINANCE OR TO GO TO A SECOND READING FROM A, FROM A TIME PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT, UM, I KNOW I WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL AT THE NEXT MEETING, SO I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE WISH OF COUNSEL, UM, AS TO, UH, I KNOW WE PROBABLY CAN NOT GET THREE PEOPLE HIRED BY THE NEXT MEETING.

SO, UH, I'M SURE THOSE MONIES WILL BE, WE COULD ADD THAT TO WHAT I HAVE COMING UP ON THE NEXT MEETING.

SO IF YOU'D WANT TO NOT SUSPEND THE RULES

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I KNOW I USUALLY COME TO YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, SUSPENDING THE RULES.

SO IF THIS ONE PARTICULAR TIME, YOU'D RATHER DO I HAVE ONE THING IN THIS CASE.

SO THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A, UM, A SUBJECT OF, OF TALKING ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT WAS A MATTER OF GETTING THIS OF GETTING THIS DONE.

I MEAN, IF IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE, WE KNOW WE UNDERSTAND HOW THE HIRING PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK, BUT AT THIS POINT I THINK AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE FUNDS ALLOCATED, UH, PROBABLY THE BETTER, UH, OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD, I THINK SO WAVING IN THE SECOND READING FOR MONDAY, UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, BUT TO GET THE FUNDS APPROPRIATE, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FINE.

THERE'S NO EMERGENCY ON THAT AND I DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE.

GOTCHA.

YEP.

IS ITEM THREE C MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, CONTRACT CHIEF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO YOU OR RYAN.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

[ Memorandum Of Understanding - School Resource Officers Contract]

YEAH, I CAN DO IT.

UM, SO I GOT TOGETHER WITH THE SCHOOL, UM, SUPERINTENDENT AND A COUPLE OTHER EMPLOYEES, AND WE DISCUSSED THE CONTRACT.

IT'S ALL TOGETHER.

IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, ADDING ONE MORE SRO STARTING JANUARY OF 2023.

AND, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, BETWEEN THE START OF THIS SCHOOL YEAR NOW IN JANUARY, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICERS, OFFICER LAMBERT WILL BE, UH, UH, FREQUENTLY IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WEEKLY.

SO HE'LL MAKE A STOP AT EVERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

HE WAS AN SRO FOR FIVE YEARS, SO HE KNOWS HOW IT WORKS.

UM, BUT HE'LL BE TOUCHING BASE WITH ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS DURING THAT TIME, THIS FALL, UNTIL WE GET THE FULL-TIME ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IN THE SCHOOL, I'M SURE THE SCHOOL APPRECIATES THAT JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE AND A SAFETY IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS AN ISSUE, UH, IN SCHOOLS.

NOW, THIS SPECIALIST THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED NATIONALLY.

SO I'M SURE THE SCHOOLS ARE APPRECIATE WITH THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING ADDITIONAL SRO? YES.

THANK YOU, MARY.

UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THIS, UH, INFORMATION CAME ABOUT WHEN, UH, UH, THIS COUNCIL AND THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS NOT MET FOR OVER FOUR YEARS.

SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, THERE WAS A MEETING, THE MEETING THAT I WASN'T HERE AT, YOU, YOU HAD, THIS WAS AT A WORK SESSION, I THINK WHILE I WAS GONE WITH THE SUMMER.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IT CAME UP ORIGINALLY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAME UP WITH YOU GUYS.

I'VE BEEN CONTACTED MANY A TIMES BY SCHOOL PERSONNEL.

UM, JUST ASKING ABOUT THE ABILITY, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE, UH, THE, AFTER THAT I WAS CONTACTED THAT VERY NEXT WEEK, UM, WANTING TO ASK WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING MORE SROS INTO THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY, WE DISCUSSED THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT OUR DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN MYSELF AND SECURITY AT THE SCHOOL, UH, STARTED WAS THE ABILITY TO MAYBE ADD A THIRD SRO AND, UH, AND GET, UH, GET A FULL-TIME SRO COVERING ALL THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, BECAUSE IN THE PAST OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL SRO WOULD, WHENEVER THEY HAD A CHANCE THEY WOULD LEAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEN VISIT AN OCCASIONAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, IF THEY HAD SOME SORT OF INSTRUCTION, THEY WERE DOING AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT IT WASN'T ON A FULL-TIME BASIS AND THEY COULDN'T HIT EVERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL EVERY WEEK.

SO THAT WAS THEIR DESIRE.

AND OUR DESIRE IS TO HAVE A FACE, UM, OF A POLICE OFFICER IN EVERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WEEKLY.

AND I KNOW, UM, ON MONDAY, THE, UH, OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT WILL BE HERE, UH, MAKING A PRESENTATION BEFORE COUNCIL IS EXPRESSED AS A SPECIAL PRESENTATION AT THE EIGHTH COUNCIL.

SO THEN I THINK FROM THAT POINT, AND I'VE, UM, WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER AT THE CHAMBER, THE CHAMBER EVENT LAST WEEK, UH, WE HAD TALKED AND, UM, I HAD TOLD HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE.

WE WEREN'T, WE HAD NO SUCCESS, UH, TRYING TO GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED WITH, UH, MR. BESARA PREVIOUSLY.

SO, UH, EXTRACT EX EXPRESS MY DESIRE THAT I HOPE THAT CHANGED, THAT HE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.

AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHEN HE'S HERE ON MONDAY.

I, I JUST THINK THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.

I KNOW THIS IS A TOPIC THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED A MAYOR.

I KNOW WE'VE TRADED EMAILS ABOUT THIS FOR MANY YEARS, UM, THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THIS TOPIC, BUT MANY OTHERS NEED TO BE ON THAT AGENDA.

UM, I, UM, I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, UNTIL WE HAVE THAT MEETING, UH, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DONE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS IN COLLABORATION WITH SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, UH, THAT, THAT ITEM BE TABLED UNTIL A JOINT MEETING IS HELD.

THE, SO NOTHING REALLY CHANGES, BUT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, THE HIRING OF THE SRO WOULD NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL JANUARY OF, UM, WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET RECOMMENDATION FOR 2023 BUDGET RECOMMENDATION, ALONG WITH THAT WILL COME THE ADDITIONAL POSITION, WHICH IS POSITIONED 55 RIGHT NOW, OUR FULL STAFFING IS 54.

MA'AM WELL, I THINK THE, THE HIRING OF

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SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT POSITION IN JANUARY.

SO ARE, IS THERE A OTHER OBJECTIONS ONLY MR. SHAW THAT WE TABLE THAT ITEM OR, UM, PLACES ON MONDAY'S MEETING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD? BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OFF IF WE NEED TO, BUT LET'S KEEP WORKING TOWARDS A GOAL.

MA'AM THANK YOU.

MA'AM UH, CHIEF, THIS WAS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION TO US A FEW WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? WITH YOUR STAFFING RECOMMENDATIONS.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BANKER.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SHAW THAT A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND US WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THE UNSOLVED FOR CODE RED, EXCUSE ME, BRIAN AND THE ABSENCES CHIEF NICELY.

SO, AND MR. NIX WILL BE HERE ON MONDAY, AND WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AFTER HIS, AFTER HIS PRESENTATION.

SO IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS OR A MAJORITY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY? OKAY.

I AM 3D

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - OnSolve (CodeRED)]

I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE I'M IN FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF.

UM, IF, UH, IF COUNCIL WILL RECALL, UH, THERE WAS, UM, AN ISSUE WITH CODE RED, UH, IN A DELAYED BILL.

SO WE HAD BUDGETED ALL THE APPROPRIATE FUNDS IN 2021 TO PAY THE ANNUAL FEE FOR CODE RED.

UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT INVOICE DID NOT COME UNTIL 2022, WE ONLY BUDGETED ENOUGH MONEY, 2022 TO PAY FOR 2022.

SO AS A RESULT, THERE IS SUFFICIENT FUNDS, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, WE WILL BE PAYING MORE TO CODE RED THAN, UH, WE STATUTORILY CAN WITHOUT EXCEPTION FROM, UH, COUNCIL.

SO WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL APPROVE THIS AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION ON MONDAY SO THAT WE CAN, UH, PAY THE VENDOR THE FULL AMOUNT DUE.

SO THIS IS A CATCH UP FOR 2021 AND 2022.

I KNOW IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UM, DUE TO THE INCREASE OF STORMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF THE CODE RED, UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO ENGAGE IN A SUMMER CAMPAIGN REGARDING CODE RED.

I KNOW WE DID THE QR CODES BEFORE WE DID A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, UH, WITH THAT.

I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE A BOOST OF, UH, CAMPAIGNING, UM, AND AWARENESS OF WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY GOES UNDER UTILIZED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

THREE E THE 2023 SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ 2023 Sidewalk Program - Resolution Of Necessity]

THIS IS THE RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY.

YES, THIS IS MINE.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UH, THIS, UH, YEARLY LEGISLATION IS A RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY FOR THE 2023 SIDEWALK PROGRAM, UH, STREET LIST.

AND A MAP ARE ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM IS BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE AND LONGFORD, AND IT'S JUST EAST OF HARSH ADVIL.

UM, THIS RESOLUTION IS THE START OF THE PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR.

UH, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO SEND OUT LETTERS TO THE CITIZENS, UH, THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM.

UH, THE LETTER DOES EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO COMPLY WITH THE PROGRAM.

AND, UH, THEY WILL BE GIVEN UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR TO FINISH, UH, THE CONCRETE WORK, UH, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THE WORK THEMSELVES OR, UM, HIRE THEIR OWN OR HIRE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR SO THEY CAN DO IT THEMSELVES, HIRE CONTRACTOR OR WAIT AND DO NOTHING.

AND NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE, THERE'LL BE SOME PART OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, SO WE'RE ASKING THE PASSAGE OF THIS, UH, AS SOON AS WE CAN TO TRY TO GET THOSE LETTERS.

THANKS FOR US.

DO WE HAVE DATA ON HOW MANY PEOPLE DECIDE TO DO IT THEMSELVES? I MEAN, DO WE KNOW, LIKE HOW IS IT A VERY LITTLE AMOUNT OR IS IT, I WOULD, MY GUESS IS PROBABLY 25% CHOOSE TO JUST CHOOSE TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN.

AND THEN THE REST HAVE JUST HAD THE CITY DO IT THEMSELVES OR DO HAVE DO IT IN BELGIUM.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

I NEED IT.

YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO ASK WATER MAIN BREAKS ALONG THIS AREA THAT WE MIGHT BE REPLACING LINES TO WHERE WE'RE RIPPING UP PEOPLE'S NEW EASEMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA? UH, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THESE STREETS ARE PART OF, YEAH, NONE OF THESE STREETS ARE WITHIN THE REPLACEMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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[ RTA Bus Shelters - Solicit Bids]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE F R T A BUS SHELTERS, SOLICITS AND BIDS.

UH, YES, THIS IS ALSO MINE.

UM, THIS IS A DISCUSSION, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S POSSIBLE LEGISLATION FOR THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR NEW BUS SHELTERS.

UM, RTA HAD CONTACTED US EARLY THIS YEAR TO LET US KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL COMMUNITY GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE FROM THEM THAT THE CITY COULD USE FOR INSTALLATION OF SHELTERS.

UH, WE REVIEWED THE RTA RIDERSHIP.

UH, THEY HAVE A SPREADSHEET AND A MAP SHOWING THE NUMBER OF WRITERS, BOARDING THE BUSES, UH, FOR EVERY STOP ALONG ROUTE 18 AND 19, WHICH RUNS THROUGH THE CITY.

UH, WE FOUND THAT THERE ARE ONLY A FEW BUS STOPS LEFT THAT HAD ENOUGH WRITERS BOARDING THAT MADE IT JUSTIFIED TO TRY TO GET MORE BUS SHELTERS.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE ALMOST SAID WITH ANY OTHER STOPS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SHELTER AS TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AT THE MOST RIGHT A DAY.

NEXT IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS THE OPWC APPLICATION FOR THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO DO FOUR AS POSSIBLY THE LAST TIME.

WE'LL DO THESE FOR AWHILE.

UH, LET'S SEE.

ONE AT A OLD TROY AND POWELL AND THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE DENATOS, THAT'S ACTUALLY A REPLACEMENT SHELTER.

THERE WAS ONE, A FEW YEARS AGO THAT MUST'VE GOT A HIT IT'S USED TO BE THERE AND IT'S NOT THERE NOW.

AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

SOMEONE'S GOT IT IN THEIR BEDROOM, NO REPORT FROM MIKE OR ANYBODY THAT SOMEBODY HIT IT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THAT ONE.

THAT ONE DOES HAVE A LOT OF RIDERSHIP THERE.

UM, THE OTHER ONE OTHER ONE IS THAT BRANT PIPE, JUST NORTH OF CHAMBERSBURG.

IT'S JUST NEXT TO THE SPEEDWAY STATION RIGHT THERE BY THE THERE'S A STRIP CENTER.

THERE USED TO BE A TIRE PLACE THERE THAT HAS A NUMBER OF WRITERS THERE.

AND THEN TWO OTHER ONES WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY INCREASE.

THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME RIDERSHIP, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY INCREASE.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR, UM, SHELTERS BE SAME AS PREVIOUS YEARS.

UH, WE DID IT IN 2018, 2020.

THAT'D BE THE SAME SHELTER, UH, ESTIMATED COST OF $79,000 FOR THE FOUR SHELTERS.

UH, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO UPFRONT THE MONEY, UH, BUT THEN GET REIMBURSED FOR 80% OF THE COST.

UM, BY RTA PROBABLY LATER THIS YEAR AFTER WE FINISHED, UM, WE'D LIKE TO GO OUT THE BIDDING FOR THIS INSTALL, THE SHELTERS AND THE COMPLETION IS ROUGHLY FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS BEFORE THEY GET US.

IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO WAIT FOR THEM, UNLESS THAT I DIDN'T CHECK THE DELIVERY TIME OF MIGHT BE LONGER, BUT WHAT A MINUTE, AS SOON AS THE DELIVERY, NANCY, JUST MAKING AN ASSUMPTION YOU HAVE.

YEAH, I DO.

UM, I HAVE WE, UH, PROJECTED WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY MORE NEEDED WHEN THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY AT A 2 0 2 AND TAILOR SALE THAT THESE, ANY OF THESE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS WILL REQUIRE ANY.

WE CAN WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE, UH, TWO OF THEM DOWN TOWARDS LEE WAY, BUT COMING BACK, WE MAY NEED TO INSTALL A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND I KNOW THERE'S ONE OVER BY WHERE, UH, IS THAT VALVOLINE RIGHT THERE ON TAYLORSVILLE AND THERE'S ONE IN THE CORNER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT RIGHT.

BUT YEAH, THERE MAY BE NEED FOR A COUPLE MORE, BUT, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE BUSINESSES ARE IN TO KNOW WHERE TO PLAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

[ OPWC Application - Fishburg Road Widening Project]

UH, YEAH, THIS LEGISLATION IS BASICALLY FIRST FOR US TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO DISTRICT FOUR OF THE IOWA PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, UH, TO HELP FUND A AND CONSTRUCT FITCHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.

UH, THIS WORK INCLUDES THE WIDENING OF FISHBURG ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, UH, TO MAKE A THREE LANE ROAD.

UH, THIS IS FROM OLD TROY PIKE TO TOMBER.

UM, AND THE ROAD MAP I THINK, IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THERE, UH, BY WIDENING THAT SECTION, IT WILL HELP MAKE FISH PER ROAD, A FULL THREE LANES ALL THE WAY FROM OLD TROY TO BRANDT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A MISSING GAP TYPE OF THING THAT, UH, THIS AREA WAS NOT PART OF HUBER DEVELOPMENT, SO IT NEVER GOT WIDENED.

SO I'D LIKE TO WIDEN THAT WHOLE STRIP UP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE, AND THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO EITHER WE CAN EITHER RESTRIPE IT SIMILAR TO, TO TAYLORSVILLE HERE WHERE WE CAN PUT IT IN A LANE EACH WAY IN A CENTER TURN LANE, OR LEAVE IT AS A CENTER, JUST A CENTER LINE AND LEAVE A PARKING, DECIDE THAT LATER WHETHER WE WANT TO WE'D HAVE TO ELIMINATE PARKING IF THAT'S THE CASE.

UM, WE'LL LOOK MORE INTO THAT AFTERWARDS.

WIDENED STRIPED, UM, W UH, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS PROJECT

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DESIGNED AND IT'S ESTIMATED COST THEM $700,000.

WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO GET AT LEAST 30 TO 40% OF THAT COST COVERED WITH THIS FUNDING.

UM, WE LOOKED AT POSSIBLY DOING A WATER MAIN PROJECT FOR THIS FUNDING, BUT THE STREETS THAT WE EVEN HAVE NOW, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER.

THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF SO MANY WATER MAIN BREAKS PER THOUSAND FEET.

AND MOST OF THEM DID NOT QUALIFY NONE OF THEM QUALIFIED FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO DO THIS INSTEAD.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT PROJECTS IN THE CITY TO USE, YOU KNOW, OUR FUNDS OR ROADWAY FUNDS AND TO GET FUNDING FOR.

SO THIS IS, I'D LIKE TO SET, TO SUBMIT IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

HOW MANY BREAKS DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE? HUBBARD'S HAD A TON OF BREAKS.

I MEAN, HUBBARD WOULD NOT QUALIFY.

WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROJECT, THE PROBLEM WITH IS THAT YOU GIVE A LOT IN A CERTAIN AREA.

IF YOU DO A FULL PROJECT, YOU MAY NOT GET THE WHOLE AMOUNT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

I KNOW IT'S AT LEAST EIGHT OR 10 PER THOUSAND FEET.

'CAUSE I WOULD THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET HUBBARD TO QUALIFY.

SOME OF THESE WERE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROGRAM.

THIS TAKES A GOOD YEAR TO GET THEM FUNDED, TO GET IT FUNDED AND TO START A WORK ON IT.

SO, UM, SOME OF THESE WERE ALREADY SCHEDULED AND DESIGNED AND READY TO GO.

I MEAN, WE CAN STILL LOOK AT IT, BUT I DID LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THOSE STREETS.

ROSS HALF-WAY DISCUSSED, UH, WITH, UM, DAYTON, CITY OF DAYTON PLANNERS, UH, OUR ENGINEERS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THEM TO PARTNER WITH US ON DOING THIS PROJECT, TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIP RAP ROAD FOR BOTH CHAMBERSBURG AND FITCHBURG FOR A BIKE PATH.

NO, FOR THE ROAD WIDENING, I'VE HEARD CHAMBERSBURG CHAMBERSBURG AND THIS, THIS ONE FOR FISHBURG THAT YOU'RE DOING WELL.

THIS IS FITCHBURG, UH, JUST EAST OF OLD TROY, TROY.

TRADE OLD TROY AND TOM BURKE.

OH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

BUT ALL RIGHT, BUT FOR CHAMBERSBURG AND ANY FUTURE WORK THAT WE MIGHT DO ON FITCHBURG, UM, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD, UM, TRY TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS BY, I KNOW ONE PROJECT CAME UP WHERE THERE, WE COULD HAVE GONE IN FOR A JOINT GRANT AND, UH, EACH OF US WOULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR LIKE $250,000.

THIS WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO FOR ROADWAY WIDENING OR, UH, YEAH, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE THOSE FOR, THAT WOULD HELP IMPROVE THOSE TWO ROADS.

WELL, WE ARE DOING THE CHAMBERS ARE WEST, WHICH WOULD TAKE US ALL THE WAY PAST IN THE CAR TO THE CITY LIMITS.

THERE'S A SHORT SPAN THERE, CITY OF DAYTON TO GET IT TO RIP RAP.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CITY OF DAYTON HAS ANY ATTENTION AND SPENDING MONEY DOWN THERE TO WIDEN THAT PORTION.

WELL, IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND I HAD SPOKEN TO A CITY COMMISSIONER DOWN THERE AND THEY SEEM AMENABLE TO TAKE THE SIDEWALK FROM THE THEORIZE CITY LIMITS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, TO THE BIKE PATH, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A JOINT MEETING AND JOINT PLANNING AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'LL BE TAKING THE BIKE PATH ALL THE WAY TO THOSE CITY LINES, SO, YEAH.

UM, CAUSE WE CAN MEET WITH THEM.

I CAN TRY TO DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

THAT WOULD HELP US EXPEDITE GETTING THAT COMPLETED BECAUSE IT ONLY HELPS A LITTLE BIT TO GET IT DOWN, PASS THE ENDICOTT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY FACING DONE NEXT IS I'M THREE H WHICH IS THE STORMWATER FEES.

THE STORMWATER FEE RIGHT NOW IS $2 PER RESIDENT PER MONTH ON THEIR WATER BILL.

UM, I'D LIKE TO START ON THIS, UH, WHAT THIS IS, IS I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THESE STORMWATER FEES THAT WE CURRENTLY CHARGE OUR RESIDENTS.

UM,

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UH, THE STORMWATER FEE BEGAN IN 2003 AND AT THAT POINT IT WAS AN EPA REQUIREMENT FOR CITIES WITH POPULATION GREATER THAN 40,000 PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS PROGRAM IN THEIR CITIES.

UH, HUBER HEIGHTS WENT AHEAD WITH THAT AT THE TIME.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT POPULATION WE'RE AT 2003, BUT WE DID START THE PROGRAM, UH, ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES.

AND SINCE THAT TIME AND MOST OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE, I STARTED THAT FIELD AND I DID INCLUDE A, IN YOUR PACKET OF LISTING OF CITIES, LOCAL CITIES AROUND HERE, UH, IN THEIR FEES.

UM, AND THE FEE FOR US HAS REMAINED AT $2 PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT OR LOT EVER SINCE THAT TIME.

UM, ON THE SCREEN HERE, I CAN GO THROUGH WHAT CURRENTLY THIS SCREEN IS BASICALLY WHAT THE FEE IS BEING USED FOR RIGHT NOW.

THE, UM, FOR ENGINEERING, THE FOUR ITEMS UP HERE IS WHAT WE'RE USING FEES FOR.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS ENGINEERING.

WE ARE BUDGET GETS HUNDRED $50,000 A YEAR AND WE USE IT ON THOSE ITEMS LISTED.

THERE IT'S BASICALLY FOR ANYTHING STORM SEWER, AS FAR AS FIXING CULVERTS.

UH, IF WE'D HAVE TO DO LIKE AN EXTENSION FOR STORM SEWER, UH, WE DO USE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM ROADSIDE WORK WITH REGRADING, SOME DITCHES.

UH, WE USE IT FOR WHAT'S CALLED SNAP, UH, TILE PIPE, WHICH IS PIPE THAT WE PUSHED THROUGH.

IT'S KIND OF A LINER DISTORTS OR PIPES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.

UM, USED IT ON SOME CURRENT OR FRENCH DRAIN INSTALLATIONS, UH, PUMP REPLACEMENTS.

THERE'S TWO PUMP STATIONS WE HAVE DOWN AT THE MIAMI VILLAS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR OF ROAD, UH, SOME DITCH WORK AND EROSION WORK, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM TWO IS THE PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, THEY HAVE ANNUAL EXPENSES, THEY USE $40,000 OF IT FOR ANNUAL GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL, ANNUAL SOLID WASTE.

UH, IT SITS ALL THE WASTE.

I THINK THAT'S FOR DISPOSAL.

UH, MIKE WOULD KNOW THAT, UH, AND THEN, UH, ANNUAL PURCHASES, PURCHASES OF CONCRETE CATCH BASIN, PRECAST STORM TILE, AND OTHER SUPPLIES.

UM, THE THIRD ITEM IS FOR DEBT SERVICE.

UH, JIM CAN ANSWER ANYTHING ON THAT.

IT'S 44,510.

AND THE LAST FOUR NUMBER FOUR IS FOR SALARY.

WE USE A LARGE PORTION.

I CAN'T SAY A LARGE PORTION OF PERCENTAGE OF OUR SALARIES USE THE STORMWATER FEE.

UM, I THINK, UM, WELL PUBLIC WORKS DOES THE ENGINEERING DOES AND, UH, MANAGEMENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHO THAT.

CHAMBERS OF ROAD, PHASE FOUR AND CHAMBERS FOR GROVE WEST, THE COST OF THOSE PROJECTS IS LISTED THERE.

BUT THAT PORTION OF IT IS $381,410.

SO THOSE FOUR ITEMS ARE THE FIRST ITEM THERE IN RED.

THAT'S OUR EXPENSES FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD OF 600, $15,920.

AND THE REVENUE WE GET OFF THAT $2 EVERY MONTH COMES IN AT $628,564 AND 34 CENTS.

SO WE'RE RIGHT AT THAT NUMBER.

NOW, THE REASONABLE RIGHT AT THAT NUMBER ALSO IS THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WELL, FIRST THING OF THE REASONS FOR WE'D LIKE TO START WITH THAT, I GUESS STORMWATER FEE INCREASE IS FOUR BIG REASONS IS THAT THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL GROWTH FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE INCREASED IN SIZE.

AND, UM, WITH THAT COMES ALL THE UTILITY, ALL THE STORM UTILITIES THAT COME WITH NEW STREETS AND EVERYTHING.

AND THE NEXT ONE IS OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

EVERYTHING IS NOW GETTING 50 TO 70 YEARS OLD AND THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.

AND WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TO FIX A REPAIR STORM PIPES FOR CATCH BASINS, UH, INCREASES IN INFLATION IS NOW, UH, OBVIOUSLY A PROBLEM AND, UH, EQUIPMENT COSTS.

AND THAT'S, I'LL HAVE DOWN A LITTLE LOWER WORK WITH, UH, MIKE PURCHASING, A LOT OF EQUIPMENT FOR FUTURE USE.

UM, THE STORMWATER FEE INCREASE THERE IN THE RED FROM TWO TO $3 WILL GENERATE 314,000 A YEAR.

UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR IS BELOW THAT UNDER WONDERING NUMBER ONE FOR NEW, UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS USE $150,000 A YEAR FOR ANY TYPE OF ROADWAY PROJECTS WE HAVE.

UH, AND I CAN SHOW THAT, UH, THERE'S FOUR PROJECTS THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE'LL BE DOING, UH, OLD TROY WIDENING.

UM, THAT'S JUST UP THE STREET UP HERE AT THE CORNER BY MERELY WAY THAT WIDENING THEIR FITCHBURG ROAD.

IF WE DO THIS WIDENING

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AND THEN THE STORM PORTION OF EACH ONE ADDED ALL TOGETHER COMES UP TO 7,730 $9,000.

AND IF YOU BUY THAT FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU GET ABOUT 150,000 A YEAR.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS NOW USE A LOT OF THE STORM MONEY FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT FOR, EXCUSE ME, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE, THE MONEY WASN'T THERE TO USE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST FIRST PAGE IS EVERYTHING IS JUST BALANCED, WHERE IT'S AT.

UM, THE SECOND ITEM UNDER NUMBER ONE, AGAIN, UH, CATCH BASE AND REPAIR THE STREET PROGRAM.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE TO FIX CATCH BASINS AND WE'RE USING STREET FUND MONEY TO DO THAT.

AND WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR OUT OF THE STREETS PROGRAM TO REPAIR BASICALLY THE TOPS OF THE CATCH BASINS, NOT THE CATCH BASINS THEMSELVES, BUT IT'S THE CATCH BASIN, THE CURBING AND THE FRAME AROUND IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH ONE WE DO.

AND THIS YEAR WE DID 80 OF THEM.

SO, UM, THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM THERE IS BRIDGE AND CULVERT REPAIR.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BRIDGES AND CULVERTS THAT, UM, THE, UH, WE GET MONTGOMERY COUNTY DOES INSPECTIONS ON ALL OF OUR, UH, BRIDGES AND CULVERTS.

AND THEY COME UP WITH A YEAR, EVERY YEAR, COME UP WITH A LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS OR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THOSE THAT THEY DON'T MAINTAIN.

SO, UM, A LOT OF IT'S EUROVISION ISSUES, RIPRAP AND THINGS IN FRONT OF THE BASINS OR CLEANING THEM OUT.

SO WE USE, WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT MONEY FOR THAT.

UM, ALONG WITH THIS, UH, EXISTING AND UPCOMING SALARY AND BENEFIT INCREASES EACH YEAR IS ABOUT $25,000.

AND THEN, UM, NEXT YEAR, UM, MIKE WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE THE STREET SWEEPER IT'S $320,000.

AND THEN IN 2026, HE NEEDS A LEAF REMOVAL OF BACK.

SO YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S 230,000 THERE.

AND THEN UNDER THAT PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE ITEMS THAT MIKE HAS THAT EVENTUALLY RESELL MANY YEARS, HE HAS TO EITHER REPLACE OR FIND NEW, UM, STREETSWEEPER AS ADDITIONAL SWEEPS.

WE WERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE CITY.

NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR HIM THAT, UH, NEED MONEY FOR.

AND, UH, THE BIG ONE FOR US IS USING SOME OF THIS MONEY FOR OUT OF THIS FUND.

WE CAN USE MORE MONEY FOR PAVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE STREET PROGRAM.

SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UH, I, THE LEGISLATION, UM, ALSO HAS IN THERE AN INCREASE NEXT YEAR OF 50 CENTS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'D BE BY, UH, UH, CPI AFTER THAT FOR EVERY YEAR.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED ON THAT TOO.

SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN MARK, UH, RUSS NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST A CONCERN WE'RE TAKING THE POSITION THAT THE $2 WAS THE RIGHT AMOUNT TIME.

THIS IS LARGELY IN RESPONSE TO, UM, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE INCREASED, UM, UH, INCREASED REGULATIONS FROM EPA ON HOW WE HANDLE AND HAVE TO MANAGE STORM WATER.

AND JUST THE INFLATION FACTOR WOULD MAKE THE $2 BACK IN 2003, UH, WERE $3 AND 22 CENTS TODAY.

SO IT'S A 61% INCREASE.

SO HAVE WE DETERMINED THAT BACK THEN THE $2 WAS THE RIGHT NUMBER AND ARE WE JUST INCREASING BASED ON INFLATION AND NOT ADDRESSING THE EXTRA WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? I DON'T ASK TO CHANGE THE LEGISLATION.

I JUST POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK MOVING FORWARD, WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE MORE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS DESIGNATED REVENUE STREAMS. LIKE WE HAVE OUR STREETS PROGRAM.

SO, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT MORE WORK WE PLAN ON DOING THAN WE HAD IN THE PAST.

AND DO WE HAVE A SURPLUS IN THAT ACCOUNT? NO.

NO.

SO WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING $2 SINCE 2003.

WE COULD, COULD'VE USED MORE THAN THAT.

OH YES.

THERE'S A NUMBER.

I THINK SOME EVEN MIKE'S EQUIPMENT, IF MIKE COULD SPEAK ON THAT IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T USED THIS FUND TO PURCHASE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T MONEY THERE.

SO, SO I'M OKAY.

IF, IF, IF THIS LEGISLATION IS JUST TO GET US UP TO INFLATION, BUT IF THERE'S MORE NEED, I REALLY THINK AT SOME FUTURE DATE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL IN A LOT OF THESE CASES, CORRECT.

WE HAVE A STORM WATER ISSUE.

DO THE WATER MAINS PLAY INTO STORM WATER AT ALL, VERY MINIMALLY, VERY MINIMALLY.

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AND THAT'S REALLY, WHAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF THE NEED FOR, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE IN OH THREE, YEAH.

REGULATIONS.

THEY STARTED THE REGULATIONS, THEY WANTED ALL CITIES TO BASICALLY HANDLE MORE EROSION ISSUES.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO, HE SAID HE USED TO HAVE MONEY TO DO THAT, AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE PROBLEMS. SO I GUESS MY POINT IS LEGISLATION AND TAKES CARE OF THE INFLATION PART OF THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.

UH, CORRECT.

WE WOULD NEED, UM, ADDITIONAL EXTENSIVE, UH, REVIEW AND EVALUATION TO PUT TOGETHER A LONGER TERM, UH, A LONGER TERM FEE STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH WE INTEND TO DO, BUT BASED ON WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY AND HAVING TO RESPOND TO THE INFLATIONARY CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, THIS IS WE THOUGHT INAPPROPRIATE COMPROMISE TO BRING THIS FORWARD SO THAT, UH, ACCOUNTS COULD ENTERTAIN THIS LEGISLATION.

AND, UH, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE PROPOSAL, UH, WHILE WE COMPLETE THE BACK-END AND, UH, LOOK AT THAT LONGER TERM FEE STRUCTURE.

AND I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 19 YEARS AND NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INFLATION PIECE ASSOCIATED TO THIS.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, UH, INCREASE PIECE.

NOW WE CAN JUST DO THE STUDY, CORRECT.

THANKS MAYOR RICHARD.

THANK YOU, MARIE.

UM, I FIND MYSELF IN PART AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS, UM, WITH A FEW CAVEATS.

UM, ONE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROPOSED INCREASE STARTING IN OCTOBER, UH, TO $3.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR, INADEQUATE WITH WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES AT, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

UM, FROM THERE, I THINK IT CALLS FOR A $3 AND 50 CENT INCREASE IN 2023.

UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, FROM, UH, FROM THREE 50 TO $4, UH, TAKING OUT THE, UM, UH, CONTINUING, UH, INCREASE FROM THERE, I BELIEVE THAT WILL GIVE, UM, THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT THE PROPER STUDY AMOUNT IS.

UM, THAT WAY WE CAN STILL HAVE OUR EYE ON THE BALL AT THAT TIME AT THE END OF 2023, GOING INTO 2024, UM, TO MAKE A SOLID PLAN ON THIS, INSTEAD OF JUST INCREMENTALLY INCREASING IT, LET'S SET A PLAN TOGETHER TO DO THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.

SO YOU RECOMMEND, SO THE LEGISLATIONS FOR $3 BEING OCTOBER THREE 50 AND 2023, AND YOU WERE SAYING IT'S A THREE 50 AND 2023 BEFORE DOLLARS AND 20, CORRECT.

AND TAKE OUT THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, AS THAT PROVIDES US, UH, SOME, SOME OVERSIGHT AND SOME POLICY DIRECTION TO, UH, REEVALUATE THAT BY THAT TIME I THINK STAFF, UM, AND, UH, THE DIRECTORS WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT THAT PIECE, SEE HOW THAT INCREASE HAS BEEN AFFECTED.

AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM CHANGE, UM, BY THAT TIME, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IT HERE SOON.

UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEVIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE ON OUR, UM, ON OUR, UH, REVENUE LINES TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE CITY.

UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME WHERE BOTH PIECES WOULD, UH, WOULD LINE UP AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT A GOOD LONGTERM FORECAST IS GOING TO BE.

SO TAKE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM RICHARD.

UM, SO INSTEAD OF THREE 50, IN 2023, TO BE $4, THE LEGISLATION WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED FOR MONDAY MEETING.

UM, I PERSONALLY PREFER TO HAVE LIMIT, UM, EXCUSE ME.

I PREFER TO HAVE THE COST OF LIVING, UM, CLOUDS IN THERE BECAUSE, UH, IT'S REALLY A SELF-CORRECTING THING.

IF THE COST OF LIVING IS LOW, THEN, UH, IT WON'T CHANGE THAT MUCH.

IF IT GOES HIGH, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND PROVIDE ANYTHING MORE THAN AN EX EXPLANATION, BUT IT IS A, IT'S A SELF-CORRECTING SITUATION WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE LEGISLATION TO DRIVE IT.

LATER, NOT THE AUTOMATIC ADDITION OF THE COST OF LIVING BASED ON WHAT THE LEGISLATION SAYS RIGHT NOW, MAYOR.

SO WE HAVE TWO ISSUES OF THOUGHTS.

SO YES, I'M JUST SEEKING CLARITY.

SO YOU'RE ASK RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED THE MOVING FORWARD THING, BUT YOUR CURRENT ASK IS SIMPLY FROM THE TWO TO $3, AND THEN WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS TO SEE WHERE WE MOVED FROM THERE.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I THINK THE 2023 WOULD BE IN THIS LEGISLATION WOULD RAISE TO THREE 50 IN 20, 23.

AND THEN THE COST OF LIVING WOULD BE AFTER THAT IN 2024, CORRECT? YES.

THAT'S THE WAY THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN.

SO RICHARD'S SUGGESTING IT'D BE THE $3 THAT STARTS IN OCTOBER, BUT IN 2023, INSTEAD OF GOING TO THREE 50, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE LEGISLATION AND MOVED TO $4 AND 20, 23, AND THEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE

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YES, MARK.

UH, I FAVOR THE LEGISLATION THE WAY IT IS AT SOME POINT STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE A STUDY DONE AND NOT THROW A DART IN THE DARK.

AND I DO FAVOR THE COST OF LIVING THE CPI BECAUSE IT WOULD ELIMINATE WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY, 19 YEARS LATER BEING BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO DON AND THEN JIM, YOU CAN CHIME IN TOO.

SO ED, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS, UH, EITHER PROPOSAL ACTUALLY, BUT, UM, THE COMPARABLES FOR STORMWATER FEES, UH, VAN DELIA, I NOTICED ISN'T ON HERE.

UH, FAIRBORN, UM, JUST SOME MORE OF THE SURROUNDINGS.

UH, DOES RIVERSIDE HAVE STORMWATER OR IS THAT LUMPED IN WITH, UH, DAYTON AND THE COUNTY? I KNOW SHE KNOWS WHAT'S I KNOW I LIVE IN VANDALIA, SO IT'S A $2 AND 30 CENTS A MONTH AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY THE WHOLE TIME I'VE LIVED THERE.

RIVERSIDE DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAN, BUT THEY ARE EXPLORING ONE.

UM, UH, ANGLEWOOD CENTERVILLE.

AND THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER, SO THAT'S UNDERSTAND.

MA'AM ON THE FOLLOW-UP ON OUTS COMMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR, UH, THE ATTACHMENT YOU HAD THERE FLUSHED OUT WITH AS MANY CITIES.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK OUT, UM, THEN, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ME AND CLIFF'S NOTES VERSION, THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT IMPACTS SAY A COMMERCIAL, UM, TREMBLE FOR EXAMPLE? YEAH, THE, THE, UH, IT'S CALLED AN ER, YOU EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

UM, IT'S BASED ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY AROUND 4,000 SQUARE FEET FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE HOW MANY UNITS.

SO IF IT'S AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, IMPERFECT, IT'S ONLY IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE LOT.

SO YOU HAVE 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.

YOU WOULD DIVIDE THAT BY THE, LIKE I SAID, ROUGHLY 4,000 SQUARE FOOT NUMBER, YOU'D GET TWO UNITS, SO THAT BUSINESS WILL BE CHARGED FOR TWO, UH, ER, USE AND THAT'S BASED ON THE SAME FEED.

MA'AM UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, RUSS AND I HAVE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS FOR GOING ON TWO YEARS OR MORE ON A, ON COMING TO COUNCIL WITH THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, THE, UH, WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF NOT COMING AND ASKING FOR TOO LARGE OF AN INCREASE AT ONE TIME.

AND THAT'S WHY, UH, ORIGINALLY, UM, JUST IN THE LAST WEEK WE TRIMMED IT FROM $3, UH, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY $3, UM, GOING UP $1 AND THEN GOING UP TO 75 CENTS IN YEAR TWO, AND THEN CPI AFTER THAT, UM, WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS TOO BIG OF AN ASK OF THE RESIDENTS.

SO WE TRIMMED IT BACK DOWN TO 50 CENTS NEXT YEAR.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH THE ITEM THAT, UH, MIKE NEEDS NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS SOME 300 AND 320,000 FOR A STREET SWEEPER, THAT WOULD TAKE THE ENTIRE INCREASE OF 314,000.

THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY, UH, INCREASING IT BY A $1 PER MONTH.

UH, SO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT RUSS HAS LISTED HERE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE UNTIL 20, 24, UM, AS FAR AS AN ANNUAL INCREASE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS. SO, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CPI WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE, WHAT'S THE DATA THERE? SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A 12 CENT INCREASE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOLLAR AND 20 CENT INCREASE? I MEAN, W WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE HAD A CPI INCREASE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, I'D HAVE TO QUICKLY CALCULATE THAT, BUT FOR INSTANCE, LAST YEAR, THE CPI WAS ONLY AN INCREASE OF 1.2%, BUT THIS YEAR IT WAS, I BELIEVE 8.9%.

SO VERY, VERY DIFFERENT, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO YEARS.

AND OF COURSE THAT REFLECTS THE INFLATION THAT WE'RE ALL SEEING AND THE INCREASE IN FOOD PRICES, ENERGY, GAS, EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO, UM, I DON'T, TH I THINK OVER TIME, THE AVERAGE HAS BEEN BETWEEN SAY TWO AND A HALF AND 3% ON AVERAGE.

THE RATIONALE WAS FOR, UH, INCREASING IT THIS YEAR AND THEN A SMALL AMOUNT NEXT YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO JUST GOING FOR ONE INCREASE AND THEN INTO THE, UH, UM, UM, COST OF LIVING? WELL, QUITE HONESTLY, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL FEELING THE PINCH OF INFLATION AND TO ASK THE RESIDENTS TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INCREASE IT BY $2 THIS YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO ONE THAT THAT CAN BE A CONCERN FOR SOME, UH, THAT ARE ON FIXED INCOMES FOR THE SENIORS.

SO 69 CENTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE.

UM, JIM , CAN YOU TELL ME WHY, UH, WHAT

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SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY REASONABLE AND, UH, AND ASK FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

UH, BUT DOES THIS, UM, FIX THE PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY? NO, BUT, UH, BUT WE WILL GET THERE.

AND, UM, UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE FINAL DECISION IS ALWAYS, UH, UP TO COUNCIL.

SORRY.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU.

MA'AM CAN WE CLARIFY THAT CHOICE A OR CHOICE B? JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR.

SO THE WAY THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN WOULD BE IN OCTOBER, THIS, THE, THE BILL WOULD GO FROM $2 TO $3, AND THEN JANUARY 20, 23, IT WOULD INCREASE TO $3 AND 50 CENTS, CORRECT.

THE, THE WAY THEIR LEGISLATION READS IT.

WOULDN'T GO UP AGAIN UNTIL NEXT OCTOBER ONE.

NEXT OCTOBER THREE 50.

SO IT'S A YEAR.

SO THREE 50 AND THEN IN 2024, THAT'S WHEN THE COST OF LIVING WOULD CHANGE, THE COST OF LIVING INDEX WOULD CHANGE.

SO JUST ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION.

SO JANUARY, OR WOULD IT GO TO OCTOBER AGAIN, BE A WHOLE YEAR LATER, THE CPI, WOULD THAT BE JANUARY OF 20, 24? LIKE I SAID, IT'S COMPLETELY COUNCIL'S CHOICE AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT THE WAY THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN IN YOUR PACKET TODAY IS OCTOBER ONE, $3, OCTOBER 1ST, 2020 3, 3 50, AND THEN OCTOBER ONE OF 20, 24, YOU WOULD START THE CPI CHANGE BETWEEN 23 AND 24.

GOTCHA.

SO THAT'S, YOU'RE A PART AT LEAST TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THIS IN GREECE.

THANK YOU, RICHARD, FOR YOUR REFERENCE SUGGESTION.

SO TELL ME, RICHARD, RICHARD, TELL ME YOU'RE PLANNING, IT'S $3 IN OCTOBER, AND THEN NEXT OCTOBER $4, RATHER THAN THREE 50, BUT THEN ELIMINATE THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE.

AND WE HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION AT A LATER POINT TO DETERMINE WHAT INCREASE, IF ANY IS NECESSARY.

RICHARD, DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? UM, THAT, THAT WOULD FACILITATE ENOUGH TIME FOR STAFF AND THE DIRECTORS TO HAVE A MORE LONG-TERM VISION THAT WOULD ALSO BE IN LINE WITH OUR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, LEVIES AND, UH, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN THE, AT THE END OF 20 23, 20 24.

SO THE, SO THE, SO THOSE ARE THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION LEGISLATION THAT'S PREPARED, THEN YOU HAVE RICHARD RECOMMENDATION SUGGESTION.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THEY'RE REALLY OPPOSED TO ONE AND NOT THE OTHER, UH, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE ARE OKAY.

MAYBE WITH EITHER ONE.

UM, OR I THINK MARK, YOU SAID YOU FAVORED THE LEGISLATION, NANCY FAVORITE LEGISLATION, DON, I'M NOT SURE YOU ASKING ME, YOU WERE SEEKING CLARITY AND YOU HAD ASKED I'M KIND OF OKAY.

EITHER WAY.

WAS THAT RIGHT? OR DID YOU PREFER ONE OVER THE OTHER? I'M OKAY WITH IT AS WRITTEN? UM, I THINK, UM, JIM WAS NOT A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE NEED AND I DON'T THINK IT, AS JIM SAID, IT'S NOT, UM, HE'S NOT ASKING FOR THE WORLD HERE.

OKAY, MICHELLE.

SO, SO THE WAY I WOULD POSE THIS IN, AS WE HAVE A STAFF, THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE WAY THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN.

SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A LEGISLATION THAT'S WRITTEN.

IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE LEGISLATION AS IT'S WRITTEN ONTO MONDAY? AND IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THEN I WOULD MOVE TO RICHARD'S RICHARD SUGGESTION.

SO IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO THE LEGISLATION AS WRITTEN FOR MONDAY'S MEETING RICHARD AND APPLAUSE OF THAT? UH, REAL QUICK, MARY? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR US IF WE CAN HAVE A HANDOUT OF THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON SOME OTHER CITIES, OR DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT WITH YOU? I HAVE THIS, I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN, AND I BELIEVE THE BACK OF IT DOES HAVE THAT.

IT DOES HAVE THE LIST OF THE CITIES.

BUT I CAN LOOK A FEW MORE YEARS BY TOMORROW.

WE GET IT.

PERFECT.

MURPHY'S GOING TO GO TO READINGS OR DO YOU NEED THAT SOONER? BASED ON OUR TIMELINE FOR OCTOBER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR PAM WHITE AT, AT, UH, VEOLIA, BUT I DO BELIEVE IF IT, UM, IF IT HAS THE TWO READINGS IN AUGUST, UH, SHE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

SO ONE LAST TIME, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION FOR MOVING THE LEGISLATION AS WRITTEN TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS NATURAL GAS

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AGGREGATION.

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SHE'LL HAVE THE WHOLE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO GET HER, UM, NUMBER READY TO GO FOR THE BILLINGS.

THE BILLINGS WOULDN'T START UNTIL THE 1ST OF OCTOBER.

SO NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS NOT A NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION.

IF THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, JUST HAVE HER GET WITH BRIAN OR TONY.

SO WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED THEM A MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING.

BUT YES, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ENOUGH TIMEFRAME.

AND I JUST WANT TO GET BACK TO ONE QUESTION YOU RAISED THAT I WAS ABLE TO RUN SOME NUMBERS FOR INSTANCE, THIS BEING A VERY HIGH YEAR FOR, UM, UH, INFLATION AND CPI.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, IF OUR RATE IS $3 AND THERE'S AN 8% INCREASE, 20% IS 24 CENTS.

SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT WOULD BE MINIMAL GOING FORWARD.

IT'S NORMALLY AROUND 3%, WHICH WOULD BE 99 CENTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK MATH.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.

[ Natural Gas Aggregation]

UH, I HAD ASKED, UM, TELL ME THE PLACES ON THE AGENDA, UH, REALLY KIND OF, FOR A FORM OF DISCUSSION TO SEE, EVEN IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT HOW TO MAYBE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PIECE.

UH, I THINK IN LOOKING AT ALL THE NEWS ARTICLES, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH, UM, KIND OF THE VOLATILITY IN ENERGY MARKETS, EVEN, AND I THINK IN THE NATURAL GAS MARKET AS WELL, UH, WITH RUSSIA, I THINK I'VE, I'VE READ NUMEROUS ARTICLES THAT SUPPLY FOR NATURAL GAS IS BEING CUT, UM, UH, BY RUSSIA.

THERE'S JUST LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S TOO LATE NOW BECAUSE ANY TYPE OF AGGREGATION, LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS.

AND, UH, THIS IS THE WE'RE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST NOW.

SO THAT NOVEMBER, UH, BALLOT WHERE WE WOULD BE TOO LATE TO PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT TO SEE IF THE VOTERS WOULD APPROVE ANOTHER, UH, UH, GAS, AGGREGATION, UH, OPTION.

SO I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE TO THE POINT NOW OF SOMETHING IN, UM, WELL, SO THIS DISCUSSION CAN BE SHORTER AS LONG AS YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TOO LATE FOR NOVEMBER.

BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, UM, FOR MAY NEXT YEAR, I GUESS EVEN IF THERE'S EVEN GOING TO BE ELECTIONS OR PRIMARY ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR, BASED ON STUFF THAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I THINK, UM, WANTING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THIS IS EVEN SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT IT UP TOO BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ASKED ME, UH, ABOUT A, UH, GAS AGGREGATION AS WELL, JUST BASED ON GOING INTO THE WINTER MONTHS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TOO FAR BEYOND THE TIMING TO GET THAT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT FOR THE RESIDENTS.

BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO DO THAT.

OR, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE ON.

YES, I'VE UM, SEEN A LOT OF, UH, COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE, UH, HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN PURSUING THAT AND I'VE HAD WITH SOME CITIZENS ABOUT IT.

UM, I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY, SINCE WE CAN'T GET IT ON IN MAY, UH, I MEAN IN NOVEMBER, I THINK WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST, UM, INVITE SOME FOLKS IN AND, AND DETERMINE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S WHAT, WHAT THE REAL BENEFIT MIGHT BE.

WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATE IS, BUT WE CAN GET A BETTER PICTURE OF, OF HOW THE DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS OPERATE, HOW THEY, WHAT THEY OFFER DIFFERENTLY AND, AND JUST HAVE A BASIS UPON WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION, WHETHER WE WANT TO ADVANCE IT TO THE, UH, TO THE SPRING BALLOT.

I GOT, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TOO LATE NOW, BUT IF THAT'S, IT WAS A TESTABLE YET, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I FIND MYSELF, UH, AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN BERGE, UM, THAT, UH, MORE RESEARCH AND DISCUSSION ON THIS, UH, POSSIBLY COME BACK AT THE, UH, UM, FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, HAVE PRESENTERS, I THINK, UH, IF MY CALENDAR WORKS OUT, CORRECT, I THINK WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE NEW MARKET RATE IS GOING INTO THAT YEAR, OR IT'LL BE RIGHT AT THE TIME TO GO TO AUCTION FOR THAT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS DATES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.

UM, SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE TIME FOR ENOUGH, UH, DISCUSSION, UM, TO HAVE THAT TIME PERIOD TO GET THAT, UH, TO THAT LANGUAGE, TO THE BOE, UH, FOR THAT, UH, MAY, UH, MAY BALLOT, IF THERE IS A, AN ELECTION IN MAY, IT MAY JUST GO STRAIGHT TO NOVEMBER.

SO, OKAY.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

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OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

SO, UM, IF THERE IS NOT A MAJORITY, OBJECTION, WE'LL SEE THIS BACK AGAIN AT A, UH, AT A JANUARY COUNCIL MEETING, UM, RUSS AND OSA, YOU, AT LEAST FROM THIS POINT, YOU, YOU HELP YOUR, YOUR KIND OF THE POINT MANAGED OUR ELECTRIC AGGREGATION.

SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF THING THAT YOU WOULD HANDLE TO GET PRESENTATIONS FROM MAYBE A MULTIPLES OF PEOPLE LIKE NANCY, YOU HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MAYBE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, GIVE A PRESENTATION.

UM, SO WE SEE WHAT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, BUT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL, UNTIL THE JANUARY, TILL JANUARY MEETING, YOU LIKE ME TO TALK TO THAT RICH SERVICE TO COME IN, POSSIBLY IN JAIL, SET IT UP ON MY CALENDAR FOR JANUARY.

I THINK THAT'S MEAN WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM ALREADY.

I WOULD INTEREST BE INTEREST TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE FROM A GAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE HOW BAD THE WE'LL SEE HOW BAD THE GAS BILLS ARE.

COME JANUARY.

WE'LL, WE'LL BE DEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

AND WE'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO ACT ON OR IS REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

WE'LL SEE.

THERE WAS A HANDOUT, UH, THAT RUSS GOT FROM, UH, RICH, FROM ENERGY ALLIANCES THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.

IT'S JUST SAYS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT A NATURAL GAS SEGREGATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

HE DID SAY THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES AROUND CINCINNATI THAT ARE DOING HE, I THINK HE REPRESENTS 28 CITIES THAT ARE DOING GAS RIGHT NOW.

A LOT OF THEM DOING IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH.

CAN YOU CLARIFY, WHEN DOES LAST YEAR WHEN I DRAW MY PETITIONS, THEY HAD TO BE IN BY FEBRUARY 1ST TO MAKE THE MAY BALLOT.

SO JANUARY IS GOING TO BE TOO LATE AS MY ONLY CLARIFYING QUESTION.

SO, UM, JERRY WOULD, WOULD THE MONTH OF JANUARY BE SUFFICIENT TO DRAFT LEGISLATION TO PUT ON THE FEBRUARY TO GET ME CAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE.

YOU GOTTA BE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE, PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL YEAH.

THE LEGISLATION IS IDENTICAL TO ENERGY AGGREGATION LEGISLATION, EXCEPT YOU JUST PUT GAS AGGREGATION IN THE SAME BALLOT LANGUAGE.

SO THAT'S VERY SIMPLE DRAFT.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HEAR THE SPEAKER HAVE READINGS AND HAVE A PASS BEFORE FEBRUARY 1ST.

THAT SEEMS VERY AMBITIOUS BY THIS COUNCIL.

I THINK MAYBE STARTING EARLIER, RATHER THAN LATER, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS TO BE PREPARED DECEMBER.

WE ONLY HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER AND THINKS WE HAVE THINGS LIKE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER.

SO ONE MEETING ONE SESSION.

SO RICHARD, ANY OBJECTION TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OR THAT PRESENTATION IN DECEMBER OF 17? I PERSONALLY THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE IN TWO MEETINGS AND IN JANUARY, I MEAN, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR IT IN DECEMBER, I'M FINE HERE.

AND IN DECEMBER, TYPICALLY A STAFF AND THE CLERK LIKE TO KEEP THAT DECEMBER MEETING KIND OF LIGHT WITHIN OF YOUR LEGISLATION AND BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, BUT I'M EITHER WAY I JUST DON'T WANT TO MISS IT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

ANY OTHER CLARITY, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, DECEMBER, JANUARY BUELLER.

GOOD TO LEAVE IT UP TO RUSS GATHERS INFORMATION.

MAYBE HE'S NOT AVAILABLE IN JANUARY OR DECEMBER.

TIMELINE WORKS BEST.

WELL, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DECEMBER, JANUARY.

IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? THIS IS, UH, YES SIR.

THE NEXT

[ Public Safety Levy - Community Engagement]

S HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, AT THIS DYESS PREVIOUSLY.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, TWO BALLOT MEASURES THAT, UH, INVOLVE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING.

THAT WILL BE, UM, UP FOR RENEWAL IN 2024 AND 2025.

UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, UH, TO THE CITY, UH, THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, DISSEMINATE TO OUR RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY EDUCATED ABOUT, UH, THE PROS AND CONS OF THOSE MEASURES, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS WHEN THEY HEAD TO THE POLLS.

UH, AND THIS COUNCIL HAS ALSO DISCUSSED THE OPPORTUNITY OF PRESENTING, UH, THESE, UH, THESE LEVEES, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, EARLIER FOR RENEWAL, UH, THAN IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT IF THE MEASURES FAIL, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TIME, UH, TO RESPOND TO THOSE FAILURES IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, BASED ON, UH, THESE MEASURES, UH, AND THEIR, UH, PREVIOUS HISTORY, UH, AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE ENACTED IN 14 AND 15, UH, THE CITY HAD ENGAGED THE IMPACT GROUP AT THAT TIME, UH, FOR CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY EDUCATION.

UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A PROPRIATE, UH, TO EFFECTIVELY DANCE WITH THE ONES WHO BRUNG YA.

UH, AND WE SOLICITED

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THEM FOR, UH, QUOTES TO DO THE SAME WORK THAT THEY HAD DONE FOR US PREVIOUSLY IN 14 AND 15, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

THAT IS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

UH, CUMULATIVELY, THEIR QUOTE, UH, FOR THIS YEAR IS APPROXIMATELY $4,000 MORE THAN THE TOTAL WORK THAT WAS PERFORMED, UH, IN COMBINATION IN 14 IN 15.

UH, JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT, UM, COUNCIL ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN, UM, ENGAGEMENT WITH THEM AND THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ASSEMBLING AND ACCRUING THE INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, PLAN, UH, AS THIS IS THE BEST AVENUE FOR US TO BE, UH, IN A POSITION TO PUT A MEASURE ON IN THE PRIMARY F UH, SO APPROPRIATE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS MATTER ON MONDAY.

THANKS, BRIAN.

THIS IS BOTH OF THESE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THESE ARE RENEWALS, THESE ARE NOT NEW INCREASES ARE NOT LIKE THAT.

THESE ARE RENEWALS OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, THAT WE'RE PAST.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE ASKING, UH, THAT WE, UH, ASKED IMPACT GROUP TO QUOTE, UH, IS NEUTRAL CONTENT FACT-BASED INFORMATION GATHERING, UM, SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT FACT-BASED NEUTRAL AND, UH, NEUTRAL, UM, CONTENT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SHARED WITH THE CITIZENS SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THE FULL ASPECT OF THESE LEVIES, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.

I THINK QUESTIONS, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE DIDN'T, UM, PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, UH, ON THIS, UH, UM, SERVICE? YES, BECAUSE THEIR HISTORY WITH THESE MEASURES, UH, IN 14 AND 15 WERE SUCCESSFUL, UH, YIELDED, SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES FOR THE CITY AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TWO LEVIES, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UH, AND RECOGNIZING, UM, THAT THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS, UH, THEIR EDUCATIONAL EFFORTS IN THE PAST YIELDED RESULTS THAT WERE DESIROUS FOR THE CITY, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE, THAT THEY BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DUPLICATE THOSE RESULTS, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, THANK YOU.

UM, MIRA, AND UNFORTUNATELY I WAS AT A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK AND I DID NOT GET BACK UNTIL LATE THIS WEEKEND.

UM, SO I HAVE NOT HAD A FULL TIME TO REVIEW SOME OF MY CONCERNS OFFLINE WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS.

UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY REQUEST THAT THIS ITEM, UM, UH, BE BROUGHT BACK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION ENOUGH TIME FOR ME TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH HIM, UH, REGARDING SOME COUNCIL COUNCIL ACTION AND CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE BACK IN 2016 AND 2017, UH, REGARDING THIS FIRM.

UM, AND ALSO ENOUGH TIME TO GET WHAT THE CLERK TO PULL SOME OF THOSE, UH, UM, COMMUNICATIONS THAT OCCURRED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

ED MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, THE, UH, LEVEES 2024 AND 2025.

UH, HOW EARLY BY LAW CAN WE PUT A RENEWAL, UM, ON THE BALLOT FOR THE 20, 24 RENEWAL, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE SATURN.

UM, I, I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT I HEARD, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY THAT YOU COULD PUT THEM UP FOR RENEWAL, UH, A YEAR EARLY, SO YOU DON'T RUN THE RENEWAL AND RISK LOSING IT THAT YEAR.

AND YOU STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS IN A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MORE FERVENT, UM, COMMUNICATION PROGRAM AND PROJECTS.

SO, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CORRECT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, UH, IF THE LAWS CHANGED, BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD A ONE YEAR WINDOW PREVIOUS TO THAT.

AND THEN THE DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW THIS WOULD GO AFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, TO SEE IF THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN RENEWALS.

UH, I THINK WE CAN MAKE ONE OR BOTH OF THEM PERMANENT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME UP EVERY 10 YEARS.

CORRECT.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY TENURED LEVIES.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS INFORMATION.

I DON'T BELIEVE.

I KNOW THAT THAT IS INFORMATION.

THAT IMPACT GROUP WOULD HELP US TO DETERMINE WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR THESE OR WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMUNITY'S OPINION OF THESE MEASURES WOULD INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH AN EFFORT TO MAKE THESE PERMANENT AS OPPOSED TO TEMPORARY.

THE COMMUNITY MAY BE WITH TWO BACK-TO-BACK ONE AFTER ANOTHER TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS, THE COMMUNITY MAY LOOK AT THIS AS, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE MAKE ONE PERMANENT, WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE TO VOTE ON AND PASS IN ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

SO I KNOW THAT WOULD COME WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

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OH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION, UM, COUNSELING AND THE KITCHEN, UH, BROUGHT THAT UP AT A MEETING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO THAT, UM, EARLIER'S BETTER.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT? A NUNA WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO GO FOR THE 20, 24 NEXT NOVEMBER OF 2023, BECAUSE IF WE ARE IN A RECESSION, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE, WHETHER THEY WANT TO SAY IT OR NOT, THAT THAT GOES US A WHOLE YEAR TO PASS ANOTHER LEVY, IF IT WOULD FAIL, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT WOULDN'T, BUT THE WORDING WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD START THE SAME AS IT WOULD IF IT, UM, WOULD HAVE BEEN IN 20, 24.

I JUST THINK FOR US, THAT WOULD JUST BE SOME ASSURANCE THAT I THINK WE WOULD KIND OF NEED AT THIS POINT.

ALSO, I I'M SITTING HERE, IF WE DO A RENEWAL, I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOLS AND MAYBE IT'S ME BEING SENSITIVE, BUT WITH ALL THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE, ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS IN EACH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK WITH THE SCHOOL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JOINT FUNDING OR SOMETHING.

I KNOW THE SCHOOLS ARE JUST AS, YOU KNOW, STRAPPED FINANCIALLY AS YOU KNOW, CITIES ARE, BUT I JUST THINK FOR PEACE OF MIND FOR THE CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY, I JUST THINK THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST THINK THAT'S VALUABLE.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY FEELINGS ON IT.

DON BRYAN AND READING THE IMPACT GROUP'S PROPOSAL, UH, WHAT COUNCIL WOMAN KITCHEN IS SUGGESTING WOULD BE.

UM, IT SEEMS THAT THAT WOULD BE COVERED BY, UM, THE IMPACT GROUP STUDY INTO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

UM, CERTAINLY SPEAKING TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE SCHOOLS AND FINDING OUT, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

WOULD YOU AGREE? UH, I WOULD AGREE THAT BASED ON, UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION, ASSUMING THAT WE ENGAGE THE IMPACT GROUP, SOME OF THIS DIALOGUE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DIALOGUE THAT WILL HELP STRUCTURE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SOLICIT, UM, TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND YOUR, WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S APPETITE IS WITH RESPECT TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING, UM, AND THE TYPE OF SERVICES THEY MAY WANT TO RECEIVE IN THE FUTURE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, UM, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THREE OR FIVE OR WHATEVER THE MAGIC NUMBER IS.

AND MARRIAGE WAS ONE POINT FOR CLARIFICATION IT, IF I WROTE IT RIGHT, THIS ISN'T AN UPFRONT EXPENDITURE, THIS IS, UH, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THIS IS ON THE INSTALLMENT PLAN WITH THEM OVER 12 MONTHS.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

KATE MAYER ON THE TOPIC OF, UM, THE RENEWALS.

I THINK WE COULD START WORKING HAVE A FIRST READING, LET IT GO TO A SECOND READING.

RICHARD WOULD HAVE TIME TO DO HIS READING AND RESEARCH AND IT'D BE READY TO GO IN A MONTH.

SO I, IT'S A COMPROMISE THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

RICHARD, IS THAT, IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU? YEAH, IT IS.

DOESN'T MATTER OF FACT, UM, I WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH, UH, WITH BRIAN AFTER THE MEETING, UH, TO TRY TO EVEN SIT DOWN WITH HIM AS EARLY AS FRIDAY, DEPENDING ON UPON HIS SCHEDULE.

UM, BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW I ORIGINALLY HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH HIM, BUT BECAUSE, UM, TRAFFICKING AND TRAVEL RAN LATE, UM, I DIDN'T GET BACK IN TIME, SO YES, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OKAY, GREAT.

ADDRESSED AS THERE AS WELL.

SO ANY OBJECTIONS, OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING, UH, FOR THE FIRST READING, AND THEN I RECOMMENDED A SECOND READING.

YES, I NEED IT.

WE HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M NOT FINDING IT RIGHT NOW.

THEY WOULD BE DONE WITH THE IMPACT STUDY WHEN IN 12 MONTHS, WOULD THAT GIVE US TIME TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER? THERE ARE, THERE ARE VARIOUS PHASES OF THE CONTRACT, UM, THAT, UH, ARE TIME SENSITIVE.

UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE IN HAVING CONVERSATION WITH, UM, THE IMPACT GROUP THEIR TIME IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE, UH, PRIMARY IN 2023.

SO THEY ARE WORKING TO, UH, HELP PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

SO SOME COMPONENTS OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH WOULD BE THE DISSEMINATION OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL THAT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND DEPENDING UPON, UM, IF WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL MEASURE, LET'S SAY FOR THE FIRST HALF A PERCENT, UM, AND, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE THE POINT FIRST, UH, QUARTER PERCENT IN, UM, UH, AT THE PRIMARY, RIGHT.

THEN THERE WOULD STILL BE THAT OTHER QUARTER PERCENT THAT WOULD, WOULD BE

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SO, UH, THE, UH, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE IMPACT GROUP WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE IN A POSITION TO, UM, HAVE A MEASURE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE PRIMARY IN 2023.

SO THAT'S BREAKING IT UP.

SO IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL IN MAY, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER QUARTER POINT IN, RIGHT.

SO KEEPING IN MIND THAT, RIGHT.

WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO POINTS OR WE'RE A TOTAL OF HALF A PERCENT, BUT NOT ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO THE BALLOT AT ONE TIME.

IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE MEASURES.

THEY WOULD GO AS ONE INDEPENDENT MEASURE HERE, AND ONE INDEPENDENT MEASURED THEIR, AND THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

WE HAVE PRIMARY 20, 24 GENERAL ELECTION, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO I'LL SAY THAT AGAIN, I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THEN WE HAVE STILL THE MA THE MAY PRIMARY AND GENERAL OF 20, 24 AS WELL.

THAT IS CORRECT FOR BOTH MEASURES.

THAT IS CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

THAT MAKES SENSE, ANITA, IS IT, YEAH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS AGAIN, MOVING TO FIRST ON MONDAY.

ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

NEXT UP IS

[ Board And Commission Appointments * Tax Review Board - Appointment]

THIS IS FOR THE TAX REVIEW BOARD AND THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.

I HAVE TWO TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING, AS THE MAYOR SAID.

UH, THE FIRST IS THE RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENT OF SAMUEL RICHARDSON TO THE TAX REVIEW BOARD FOR TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.

UH, THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED BY HUMAN RESOURCES.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON THE TAX REVIEW BOARD.

UH, THIS WOULD FILL ONE OF THOSE AND, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS AS, UM, IT DOESN'T MEET REGULARLY, BUT IT SHOULD A CASE ARISE IN THE TAX DEPARTMENT.

UM, THEN THIS NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE TO HEAR AN APPEAL OF A TAX CASE.

SHOULD IT BE NECESSARY? UM, THE, THIS WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT WE'VE HAD FOR THE CURRENT VACANCIES, EVEN THOUGH I RAN SEVERAL POSTINGS.

SO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS PERSON IN PLACE.

AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES, THEN I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA MONDAY, ANY OBJECTIONS.

AND NEXT IS FOR THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.

THIS IS FOR THE CURRENT VACANCY.

WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.

UH, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL POSTINGS AS WELL, AND I'VE HAD, UH, NO RESPONSE TO THOSE POSTINGS.

UM, MR. JEFFREY HELD WAS APPOINTED AS AN EX-OFFICIO NON-VOTING MEMBER, UH, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, HE HAS CHANGED HIS VOTER REGISTRATION STATUS TO HUBER HEIGHTS.

UH, AT THE TIME HE WAS APPOINTED AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A RESIDENT, HE WAS NOT IN A LOCKED DOOR.

UM, SO HE SENDS CHANGE THAT STATUS AND HE'S INTERESTED IN MOVING INTO THE FULL POSITION ON THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.

UM, AND SINCE WE HAVE NO OTHER APPLICANTS, IT WOULD BE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT AND OBJECTIONS.

THREE, I, WHICH IS CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THANKS, TONY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ City Boards And Commissions]

UH, SO I THINK THIS IS JUST A, UH, UH, A BROADER DISCUSSION.

I THINK ALL OF US HAVE SEEN TONY'S MEDIA RELEASES AND POSTS THAT GO OUT, UM, ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMMUNICATION BOARD, UH, OUR VETERANS COMMISSION BOARD, UH, SPECIFICALLY THOSE TWO.

UM, AND WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF, OF APPLICANTS.

SO WE HAVE, UH, WITHIN THE CHARTER, WE HAVE CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE CHARTER, SUCH AS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BZA AND PARKS AND PARKS AND REC AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE COUNSEL APPOINTED COMMISSION SUCH AS THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, THE AMB COMMISSION, UM, VETERANS COMMISSION.

SO I THINK THE OVERALL DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO SEE IS POSSIBLY BLENDING SOME OF THESE BOARDS TOGETHER.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE GO TO SOME OF THESE EVENTS, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE, I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED THIS.

I MEAN, PEOPLE JUST, UM, UH, AREN'T THERE PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE VOLUNTEER ON THESE BOARDS.

THEY HAVEN'T, UH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENTS.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE SOME HONEST DISCUSSIONS HERE.

THE VETERANS COMMISSION, UH, HAS NOT MET THE LAST TWO, MAYBE EVEN THE LAST THREE TIMES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING.

AND WE HAVE PROBABLY ENOUGH PEOPLE INTERESTED ON ALL THE BOARDS WHO WOULD MAKE A QUORUM TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS, BUT NOT EVERYBODY ON SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS.

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SO, UH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TIME THAT WE LOOK AT CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THESE ALL UNDER, I MEAN, EVERY, AND I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY I'LL TAKE PLACE IN OUR PARKS.

SO I THINK WE COULD QUITE HONESTLY JUST HAVE ONE PARKS AND REC BOARD AND HAVE PEOPLE SERVING ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

AND THEN THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION THAT ARE ON THE PARKS BOARD, A COUPLE PEOPLE FROM THE ARTS AND MUSIC STATION COMMISSIONER ON THE PARKS BOARD, PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE PARKS BOARD, WHO SHOW UP WHO WERE AT ALL THE MEETINGS, THEY'RE ON IT AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE ONE COMMISSION THAT HANDLES A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PARKS, RATHER THAN ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING ANY MONTHLY MEETINGS AT ANYWAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T SHOWING UP.

AND WHEN WE HAVE OPENINGS ON COMMISSIONS, WE SEND THEM OUT AND THEN HE WAS TELLING YOU JUST SAID, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GET THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WE NEED.

SO I THINK THERE'S A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF, UH, OF THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION.

UM, I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH MARK BRUNS FROM THE CHAMBER, UH, AFTER OUR CHAMBER EVENT, UH, ON, ON THURSDAY.

AND WE, WE GOT TO TALKING ABOUT OUR 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, JERRY, UH, FROM CITY STAFF AND SHANNON WHO WAS ON THE BOARD.

THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CINDY WAS DOWN WITH COVID AT THE TIME, BUT, UH, JERRY AND SHANNON WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT WERE THERE FROM ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION.

AND THEY'VE HAD KIND OF AN ALL CALL FOR HELP ENVIRONMENT FROM THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION SHOWED UP.

SO WE HAD THREE VOLUNTEERS WORKING THAT WHOLE DAY FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST EVENTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS, AND THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.

SO BACK PRIOR TO COVID, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, THE CHAMBER WAS, UH, LOOKING AT HAVING A KIND OF BRINGING BACK THE FESTIVAL CARNIVAL TYPE THING THAT WE HAD, UM, YEARS AGO.

SO, AND I THINK IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, I KIND OF UNDERSTOOD AND LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.

THERE WAS, UH, A COMPANY THAT, UH, THE CHAMBER HAD TALKED TO AND, AND ENTERTAINED THAT IDEA.

BUT ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WAS THE, UH, THE VENDORS THAT HAVE THE, SELL, THE FOOD AND THE RIDES AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

THEY SIGNED CONTRACTS WITH THE MAIN ENTERPRISE COMPANY.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IT WAS OTTER WAS AN UTTER BAUCUS WHO YOU COULD TALK TO PRIVATE, UH, PREVIOUSLY FOR 2020.

SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT VENDORS, THE FOOD VENDORS AND THE RIGHT VENDORS, THEY ALL SIGN UP A CONTRACT WITH OTTOBOCK, AND THEN THEY TRAVEL TOGETHER AS A WHOLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL SEASON.

SO THE ISSUE WE HAD WAS KIND OF WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS, BECAUSE THE FOOD TRUCKS WERE ALWAYS PART OF OUR, UH, 4TH OF JULY FESTIVITIES AND THE VENDORS DON'T LIKE HAVING FOOD TRUCKS OR THE PEOPLE THEY'RE SERVING FOOD WHEN THAT'S, HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SIGNING CONTRACTS WITH THE OVERALL FESTIVAL VENDOR.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THEY LIKED MULTIPLE DAY EVENTS.

SO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, HAVING A, A LARGE GROUP COME IN WOULD REQUIRE MULTIPLE DAYS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY TRAVEL, THEY'VE GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CARNIVAL PEOPLE, THE, THE WORKERS THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER, THEY ALL SIGN THESE CONTRACTS AND THEY GO AROUND.

SO, UH, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF PLANNING, UM, SO KIND OF WHAT I'M, AS PART OF ALL THIS REALIGNMENT CAN BE DISCUSSION TOO.

BUT I THINK AS PART OF THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO FORM A SPECIAL COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL AND, UH, HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE VERY EXCITED, ANXIOUS, AND WANT TO WORK ON THAT PARTICULAR EVENT SPECIFICALLY.

AND THEN, UH, MARK WOULD CERTAINLY, WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION.

MARK WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THAT BOARD AS WELL.

THE CHAMBER HAS THE CONNECTIONS FROM THE 5 0 1 C3 IS THE NONPROFITS WE HAVE IN THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE THE NONPROFITS WOULD HELP, UH, ORGANIZE, UH, THAT CONNECTION IS THROUGH THE CHAMBER.

THE NONPROFITS WOULD, WOULD BE THERE TO HELP, UH, THE CHAMBER THROUGH ALL THE BUSINESSES I HAD WENT TO.

I WAS UP IN SALINA FOR, AT ST.

MARY'S FOR THEIR SELENA DAYS, AND KIND OF SAW HOW, HOW ALL THOSE THINGS WORK TOGETHER.

AND THERE ARE LOCAL BUSINESSES WHO ARE ADVERTISING ON THE SLIDES ON THE ROCK WALLS, ON THE SIDES OF THE FOOD VENDORS.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.

UH, THEY HAVE, UH, FIREWORKS UP THERE THAT VENDORS SUPPLY AND HELP PAY FOR EVEN, EVEN THE FIREWORKS.

SO IT IS A MASSIVE COMMUNITY UNDERTAKING.

UM, SO I THINK PARTNERING WITH THE CHAMBER ON THAT, UH, LOOKING FORWARD, I THINK WE WOULD BE VERY GOOD.

UH, MARK IS STILL WILLING TO HELP.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK FROM COUNCIL IS TO BE OKAY WITH HAVING

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A SPECIAL COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE 4TH OF JULY.

AND I THINK THE PLANNING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THAT IS YOU CAN START PLANNING FOR THIS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH FOR JULY, BECAUSE THOSE VENDORS WILL ALREADY BE, UH, HAVE CONTRACTS AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

AND, AND WE WOULD BE OUT OF LUCK, I THINK.

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO START SOMETHING IN THE PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND FIND PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN I THINK WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TALKING WITH MARK, I THINK WE COULD EVEN DO A THREE-DAY EVENT.

SO NEXT YEAR, UM, THOSE ARE PART OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT.

BUT NEXT YEAR, THE 4TH OF JULY IS ACTUALLY ON TUESDAY.

SO WE CAN EITHER DO LIKE A FRIDAY EVENING, LIKE STARTED ON FRIDAY EVENING AND MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK.

MAYBE WE DO FOOD TRUCKS ON FRIDAY, BUT THEN HAVE ALL THE VENDORS AND FOOD VENDORS FOR SATURDAY, SUNDAY.

BUT SINCE 4TH OF JULY IS NOT UNTIL TUESDAY NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU COULD EVEN DO A SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY, CAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT BE OFF ON MONDAY SINCE THE FOURTH IS ON TUESDAY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT FIGURE OUT AND LOOK AT THAT.

BUT I THINK A MULTIPLE DAY EVENT, UM, REALLY ORGANIZED A YEAR IN ADVANCE, I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT.

SO WE COULD BRING BACK WHAT USED TO HAPPEN AT CLUB PARK YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

WELL, NOT YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, JUST MAYBE YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

SO, UH, SO WITH THE INTEREST, UH, FROM MARK AND THE CHAMBER TO CONTINUE AND HELP THE CITY WITH THAT, UH, I THINK A REAL SELECT SPECIFIC COMMITTEE, UH, WHO'S REALLY INTERESTED IN THE 4TH OF JULY AND MAKING THAT HAPPEN, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD.

UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO FORM A SPECIAL COMMITTEE THAT WAY FOR 4TH OF JULY.

AND I THINK, UH, A BROADER DISCUSSION, AS I MENTIONED ON SOME OF THESE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO CONSOLIDATE A LOT OF THE WORK UNDER WHAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS, WHICH IS THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, HOW COUNSELED WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE TO REAPPLY, UM, TO BE ON THAT SPECIFIC BOARD.

THAT AGAIN, I THINK IS A COMBINATION OF ALL THE COUNCIL APPOINTED BOARDS THAT WE HAVE.

UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE, IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOME REALLY ACTIVELY ENGAGED PEOPLE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING.

SO ALARM SET OFF IF ANYONE HAS A WHITE VAN.

SO, UH, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARY.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS OFF.

UH, HOPEFULLY I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.

I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE CHAMBER'S INVOLVEMENT, UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY DID, UH, WITH THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATIONS.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS PREVIOUSLY WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, DEFINITELY, UH, DO MORE AND DO BETTER.

UM, AND THAT KIND OF SEGUES INTO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I THINK OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, WE HAVE SOME AMAZING VOLUNTEERS AND I THINK ADDITIONALLY, WE CAN FIND MORE AMAZING VOLUNTEERS IF WE EMPOWER OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

IF WE, AS A COUNCIL, TELL THESE INDIVIDUALS, THESE VOLUNTEERS THERE WORK MATTERS BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHEN OUR VOLUNTEERS LEAVE THE BOARDS AND THE COMMISSIONS, WE'RE NOT DOING EXIT INTERVIEWS, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE.

SO UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING TO THESE INDIVIDUALS, UM, AND REALLY LISTENING TO THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT WHEN THEY COME TO THESE MEETINGS, THEY PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE DECISIONS ARE ALREADY MADE FOR THEM, THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY MADE THIS DECISION, THAT ALL COUNCILS, JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE YOUR STAFF IS GOING TO CHANGE IT.

THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A BUDGET IS THEY'RE WORKING WITH.

THEY DON'T FEEL EMPOWERED.

THERE'S I GUESS, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF A RECOGNITION DINNER, THAT'S HELD, YOU KNOW, ONCE A YEAR, WHAT DOES THIS COUNCIL OR THIS CITY DO TO RECOGNIZE THEM, TO EMPOWER THEM, TO GET THEM TO WANT TO STAY, UM, ON THIS BOARD AND COMMISSION IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT OURSELVES FIRST.

UM, BEFORE WE LOOK AT REALIGNING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I NEED TO THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND SAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO EMPOWER YOU MORE, UM, NOT TO DO MORE, JUST TO DO BETTER.

UM, IS IT A, IS IT A SITUATION OF FUNDING? DOES COUNCIL NEED TO ADDRESS THE WAY WE BUDGET EVERY YEAR TO SAY, OKAY, PARKS AND REC, YOU HAVE THIS BUDGET, THEY KNOW THAT GOING IN, SAME THING WITH ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD AN UPDATE FROM THE PARKS AND REC CHAIR OR THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A AND B BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SHOULD BE A QUARTERLY THING IN MY OPINION, THAT THOSE, THOSE COMMITTEES SHOULD BE ROTATING IN AND OUT.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT BZA THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH, WHAT THIS COUNCIL CAN DO TO ASSIST THEM.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, I THINK, I THINK THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO START WITH US HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

UM, I, YOU

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KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME A, ONE OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS LEAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE EXIT INTERVIEWS.

WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER ANYWHERE? IS IT TIME? IS IT THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T FEEL EMPOWERED? UH, YOU'RE NOT APPRECIATED.

I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND THAT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, ADJUST, UM, ADDITIONALLY THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HANDBOOK.

I KNOW, I THINK WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT.

UM, MAYBE RIGHT BEFORE COVID IN 20 18, 20 19, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK IN THAT AS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S PROHIBITING US FROM GETTING VOLUNTEERS? UM, WHAT MORE CAN WE DO TO ADVERTISE THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? I WOULD PROBABLY SAFELY BET THAT THERE'S A LARGE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE CITIZEN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THEY CAN GET ON, EVEN THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, WE DO, YOU KNOW, MEDIA RELEASES, UM, YOU DON'T SEE IT ON CHANNEL TWO AND CHANNEL SEVEN, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT, BUT HOW CAN WE DO A BETTER JOB OF SPREADING THAT INFORMATION? UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS.

THANK YOU FOR SURE.

UM, I, I AGREE THAT, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, EXIT INTERVIEWS.

I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE DONE, UH, MAYBE WITHOUT COUNSEL'S KNOWLEDGE, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE A COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE DONE.

AND I'M, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMISSIONS KNOW WHAT MONEY THEY HAVE TO SPEND.

UM, BUT I THINK THE BIGGER PROBLEM HERE IS, IS NOT COUNCIL.

THE BIGGER PROBLEM HERE IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THESE COMMITTEES AND THEN THEIR OWN FAMILY OBLIGATIONS OR, UM, SCHEDULE CONFLICTS, PREVENT THEM FROM VOLUNTEERING FOR AN EVENT.

AND THAT'S, THAT IS REALLY THE GIST OF THE PROBLEM THAT, UH, PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON COMMITTEES, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND SUPPORT, UH, HOURS LONG, UM, WELL ON TEAR EFFORTS, EVEN IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO CERTAIN HOURS OR SO, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON GETTING PEOPLE THAT, UM, ARE REALLY DEDICATED TO, UH, PARTICIPATING THAT THEY HAVE THE TIME TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE ACTIVITIES AND ARE COMMITTED TO THEM AND NOT JUST SERVING ON THE BOARD TO SAY THAT I SERVE ON THE BOARD BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A FAIR SHARE OF THOSE THAT HAVE DONE THAT.

AND I, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE EVERY VOLUNTEER THAT STEPS FORWARD, JUST TO SIT ON A MEETING AND PLAN SOMETHING IS, IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.

SO, UM, IF, IF PEOPLE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE TIME, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES OR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO OPEN UP THE SEAT FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

I TOTALLY BELIEVE WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES.

AND, AND THE ONE THING THAT REALLY, UM, UPSETS ME IS THAT WE BUILT THIS WONDERFUL VETERANS MEMORIAL, AND WE JUST WENT THROUGH MEMORIAL DAY AND 4TH OF JULY AND, AND DIDN'T HAVE AN EVENT.

AND THAT SHOULD BE A STANDARD ON THE CALENDAR THAT, THAT WHOEVER IS ON THAT COMMITTEE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ASKED TO KNOW THAT, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A CEREMONY THERE RECOGNIZING OUR VETERANS FOR WHATEVER THAT DAY IS.

SO, UM, MAYBE PUTTING THOSE UNDER PARKS AND REC AND THEN JUST HAVING PARKS AND REC SET UP A SCHEDULE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE YEAR, AND THEN SOLICIT VOLUNTEERS WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

THAT'S ALL.

WE DO KEEP ATTENDANCE.

AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A ROLE, THERE'S A ROLE CALLED TAKEN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE I'VE BEEN TO, THEY TAKE THE ROLE.

SO IT COULDN'T BE THAT HARD FOR US TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ATTENDANCE OF SOME OF THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST OR THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WE, WHAT WE MAY NEED TO DO OR NOT TO DO GLEN.

AND THEY BECOME VERY DISINTERESTED VERY QUICKLY WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY GET OVERALL INPUT ON A LOT OF THE EVENTS.

I'M NOT FULLY PREPARED FOR A FULL DISCUSSION ON THIS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND DISCUSS IT SOME MORE.

BUT, UM, I I'M VERY MUCH IN THE BOAT BECAUSE I, I HAVE DONE INFORMAL EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH MANY FOLKS WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THE SAME, UM, FEEDBACK FROM THOSE FOLKS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MR. SHAW WAS SPEAKING TO.

UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T GIVE THEM ENOUGH, UM, CREATIVE CONTROL OF THESE PORTS THAT THEY FEEL, THEY COME IN THINKING THEY'RE ALL FIRED UP, THEY'RE READY TO GO.

THEY GOT IDEAS, THINGS THEY WANT TO DO, AND THEY'RE RARING TO GO, BUT THEN SUDDENLY THEY FEEL PUSHED DOWN INTO A, A FEELING OF, WELL, I'M JUST HERE TO CARRY OUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WANTS ME TO DO.

AND AT THAT POINT IT JUST BECOMES LIKE AN UNPAID JOB

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UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TWO TENANT NANCY TO ONE COMMENT THAT YOU HAD MADE JUST FOR CLARITY.

UH, THE, THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL, THERE WAS NO, UM, EVENT THERE FOR THE 4TH OF JULY BECAUSE IT SITS WITHIN THE BLAST ZONE FROM THE FIREWORKS.

SO WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING THERE.

THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT OUT BY THE STREET BY THE FRONT FLAG, BUT NOT AT THE MEMORIAL THOUGH.

NOBODY PLANNED IT.

WELL, I THINK THEY HAD DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY, BUT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING AT THE MEMORIAL, THEY DIDN'T REALLY GO WITH THE BACKUP OF THE FLAG POSTS, BUT YEAH, THERE WASN'T A GEN ITEM FOR IT INITIALLY, BUT BACK TO THE VOLUNTEER PORTION OF IT AND THE, AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE, I THINK IF WE DO EMPOWER THEM MORE TO, TO ALLOW THEIR CREATIVITY, TO SHINE, PROVIDE THEM A BUDGET THAT THEY CAN CONTROL.

UM, I THINK MORE FOLKS WOULD BE MUCH MORE INTERESTED, HONESTLY.

UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE TALKS WITH THOSE, THOSE MEMBERS OF THOSE BOARDS TO FIND OUT, HEY, WHAT'S GONNA MOTIVATE YOU TO REALLY JUMP OUT AND DO A LOT MORE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THEM COME IN REALLY FIRED UP AND REALLY RARING TO GO.

AND THEN THEY FEEL A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, HAND TIED AND WELL, I MEAN, ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION BUDGET, I THINK EVERY ANNUALLY IS WHAT, 15, $16,000.

I MEAN, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

I MEAN, I KNOW IN, IN CINDY ADDRESSED US THE LAST QUARTERLY UPDATE, I MEAN, SHE WAS HERE AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, CAUSE A BIG PART OF EVOLVED AROUND THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL AND TRYING TO FIND OUT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL THAT SAME WEEKEND, BECAUSE IT CONFLICTED WITH, UH, I MEAN, ANITA, I THINK HE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE DATE OF THE AMERICAN FESTIVAL BECAUSE IT CONFLICTED WITH A LOT OF OTHER FESTIVALS, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON.

SO, BUT I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, LOOK, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT AMY DOESN'T FEEL EMPOWERED.

THEY HAVE A BUDGET.

THEY, THEY THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE 4TH OF JULY AND THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL ARE KIND OF, THEY'RE THE TWO BIG THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE.

THEY DID AN ART SHOW THAT TURNED OUT VERY WELL.

SO I MEAN, THEY, THEY THEY'VE CERTAINLY HAVE DONE THINGS.

UM, BUT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, WHEN, WHEN I TALKED TO JERRY ABOUT, I'LL JUST SAY SPECIFICALLY AT THE, UM, AT THE 4TH OF JULY REGARDING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE OUTSIDE OF A AND B I MEAN, SHE WAS ELATED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S A STAFF MEMBER AND SHE'S THERE ON A SATURDAY WORKING.

I MEAN, SHE'S, SHE WAS THERE ALL DAY AND THERE WERE, AND THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE.

THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THERE HELPING HER.

SO, AND THAT, I MEAN, THEY PUT THAT EVENT ON WITH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY SO NO INPUT FROM US AS GOOD AND BAD.

AND US WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS PULLED OFF FOR A LARGE WEEKEND OF DONE.

WE DIDN'T GIVE INPUT BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPOWERED THEM TO DO, TO PUT ON AN EVENT THE WAY THEY WANTED.

UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PLAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH ONE LEADING A MONTH AND THEN FOUR OF THOSE MONTHS, THERE'S NO MEETING THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A QUORUM.

THERE'S ONLY PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP.

AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH THE VETERANS COMMISSION, I'D HAVE TO CHECK IF IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS IN A ROW NOW, BUT I KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS, IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS IN A ROW NOW THERE'S NO VETERANS MEETING BECAUSE LACK OF PEOPLE, LACK OF A LACK OF A QUORUM.

SO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS THE MAIN CHARTER COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF PLANNING AND BZA AND THE, AND, UH, WATER AND SEWER AND THE OTHER MAIN ONES.

UM, AND AGAIN, MY THOUGHT WAS JUST SINCE THEY ALL TAKE PLACE IN THE PARKS, WE JUST HAVE IF, AND IF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED.

SO YOU HAVE MORE, PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, MORE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR A QUORUM.

BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, W WHERE THIS DISCUSSION GOES FROM HERE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER IT IS EXIT INTERVIEWS ARE MORE EMPOWERMENT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK NOW WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD THAT WE HAVE A PARKS MANAGER, I MEAN, AS A STAFF PERSON WITH JOSH, I MEAN, JOSH IS WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, OR SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD RELAYING COUNCIL INTEREST OR, OR, OR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR THE POLICY FROM THE PARKS THAT, THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING GETS FILTERED TO THAT.

BUT, UM, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

I NEED IT.

OH, I HAVE A WHOLE LOT.

ANYHOW, MARK, LOVE IT.

I TOLD YOU THAT BEFOREHAND WHEN I WAS RUNNING, I THINK HUBER IS KNOWN AS WELL AS CENTERVILLE FOR THE BIG 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL.

AND I HAVE HAD MORE PEOPLE EVEN OUTSIDE OF HUBER ASK WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE BIG FESTIVAL.

SO I LOVE THE IDEA TO HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT JUST WORKS ON THAT.

AND 30 YEARS OF PLANNING EVENTS, YES, IT NEEDS TO MEET MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ONE TIME A MONTH.

IT NEEDS TO START PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH THAT THEY NEED TO BE WORKING ON IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO NOT BE A SUCCESSFUL, BUT I AM FULL SUPPORT OF THE CHAMBER

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I JUST THINK THAT IS KIND OF OUR BREAD AND BUTTER OF HELPING NONPROFITS IN THE AREA.

I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR OUR CITIZENS.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

UM, I THINK I JUST AM AT ONE INTERRUPTION, MARK.

I HATE TO SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THAT COMMITTEE YOURSELF PERSONALLY, CORRECT? YES.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT I GUESS I WANT TO CLARIFY YOU'RE YOU'RE GOOD.

IF WE'RE DOING CITY EVENTS, ONCE AGAIN, BACK TO MY DAYS AT DDS, I PRINTED, I CAN TELL YOU IN DECEMBER NOW, NOT IN DETAIL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN EACH EVENT, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THE DATES OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

GOING ONTO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I'M SITTING UP HERE WAS MY FRUSTRATION OF BEING ON AMB.

I ASKED FOR A BUDGET EACH MONTH, NEVER GOT ONE.

I RAN A PROGRAM FOR YEARS AND I LIKE IT IN BLACK AND WHITE IN FRONT OF ME.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

THIS IS WHAT WE SPENT.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO DO SOMETHING WITH FIVE MONTHS.

I WAS ON THAT BOARD AND NEVER GOT ONE BUDGET.

FRUSTRATING AS ALL GET OUT.

SECOND THING IS I SUGGESTED THE, UM, I WAS ON AN 18.

I SUGGESTED THE ART SHOW.

IT JUST STARTED HAPPENING TWO YEARS AGO.

I WAS TOLD, NO, WE DON'T DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WHAT DO WE DO? AND I WAS TOLD EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.

AND I'M LIKE, WHY AM I HERE? THEN IF WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHY DO YOU NEED MY INPUT FOR? UM, SO, AND SO WHERE DID THAT DIRECTION COME FROM? WAS THAT THE CHAIR, THE CHAIR AT THE TIME WAS LIKE, NOPE, WE DON'T DO THIS.

YOU UNDERSTAND? WE NEED TO WORK ALL THESE EVENTS.

THAT'S FINE.

I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.

THAT'S OKAY WITH ME.

THAT'S WHY I GOT ON THE BOARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHAIR WAS GETTING DIRECTION THAT WE DON'T DO THESE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KEPT, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER COUNT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER COUNCIL DIRECTION THAT NO, WE DON'T DO.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE GIVE.

THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A BUDGET THERE AND WE'RE WAITING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM ON HOW THEY WANT TO BUDGET THEIR MONEY, HOW THEY WANT TO SPEND IT.

HOLD ON.

I JUST GOT FINISHED.

SO ANYHOW, THAT WAS JUST VERY FRUSTRATING.

AND THAT WAS WHY IT WAS VERY SHORT-LIVED FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, IF I'M BEING TOLD EXACTLY WHAT WE DO, THEN THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO REALLY BE HERE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING.

UM, AS FAR AS VOLUNTEERS, I MADE THE PRESENTATION BACK IN 19, WASN'T IT ABOUT A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR WE'RE SITTING AT OVER 43,000 PEOPLE.

KETTERING'S HAD A VOLUNTEER POSITION FOR, OH MY GOSH.

BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, THAT COORDINATE STUFF LIKE THIS.

AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE A LARGE POOL OF VOLUNTEERS FOR THEIR FESTIVALS, FOR THEIR WHATEVER'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.

AND I WAS TOLD AT THE TIME BY ROB THAT WE WERE, IT WAS WRITTEN INTO A JOB DESCRIPTION.

THAT WAS ONE JOB HAD LEFT AND THEY WERE KIND OF COMBINING TWO JOBS TOGETHER.

BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE AT THIS POINT, BUT SUPPOSEDLY I THINK IT WAS, WAS SARAH'S POSITION THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MERGED PART VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, PARK COMMUNICATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT EVER FELL APART OR DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE CITY.

WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COORDINATE THOSE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS.

UM, THEY JUST DON'T HAPPEN.

JUST, SOMEBODY'S JUST GOING TO SHOW UP AND GO AND VOLUNTEERING.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, EFFORT THAT SOMEBODY'S COORDINATING THAT VOLUNTEER POOL.

HOWEVER, WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT.

UM, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS FOR A AND B AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YEAH, I, WE COULD MERGE BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WHEN I WAS ON AMB, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO DIFFERENT FROM PARK AND REC? BECAUSE IN MY MIND, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, 4TH OF JULY PARADE ISN'T PARK AND REC HELPING US.

CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO THOMAS CLOUD PARK.

NOW THEY DON'T DO THIS.

WHY NOT? WE NEED A LARGE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS.

WHY IS IT SO SEGREGATED? AND IT WAS LIKE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE.

THEY DON'T DO THAT.

SO I CAN SEE THOSE MERGING AND BUYING SAYING THAT IT'S RECREATION RECREATIONS OF BROAD TERMS. THERE CAN BE THE ART SHOWS.

IT CAN BE ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

RECREATIONS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, RIGHT.

SO I COULD SEE THOSE TWO MERGING TOGETHER.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO MONTHLY GET THEIR BUDGETS AS TO KATE.

I SAID THAT IN THE, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED THEIR BUDGETS MONTHLY, IT'S HARD TO PLAN STUFF.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE MONEY, EVEN UP HERE LISTENING, AMB HAS 14,000, 15,000, 20,000.

I GOT THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS WITHIN 30 SECONDS FROM WHAT THE BUDGET IS, LET'S GO FOR GAS.

COULD ALWAYS TOLD ME 16,000.

CAUSE HE WAS KIND OF THE STAFF LIAISON TO ANP.

SO THAT'S THE NUMBER I'VE HEARD.

SO IT'S 15, 15.

SO YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SITTING HERE, YOU HAVE THE ART SHIRT, YOU SPENT, YOU KNOW, 2000, ARE YOU GOING TO REMEMBER YOU SPENT 2000 BACK WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO DO THE MIRACLE FESTIVAL, IT NEEDS TO BE IN BLACK AND FLIGHT FOR THESE COMMISSIONS TO PROPERLY PLAN WITH THAT.

ALSO BEING SAID,

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AND IT STARTED BEING ADVERTISED THAT, THAT, SO YEAH, THIS DATE IS THIS.

AND IT WAS NOTHING THAT POPPED UP LATER BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE SCHEDULE UNLESS IT WAS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY OF THAT WAY.

PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND GO, OOH, THIS IS COMING UP IN AUGUST AND THIS IS COMING UP.

THEN IT WAS PLOTTED OUT FOR THE YEAR BY DECEMBER.

SO I THINK EVEN MY IDEA, JUST WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD ALL WORK, IT ISN'T, THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE PUNITIVE AT ALL.

SO IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING OR LISTENING OR ANY MEMBER, OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T PUNITIVE.

THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE AMB BOARD WHO MIGHT NEED PEOPLE FROM PARKS AND REC AND THEN ALSO BE IN CONVERSATION WITH, WITH JOSH AS THE PARKS AND REC MANAGER, AND IF MEETINGS WERE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND THIS MEETING FALLS THROUGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM BECAUSE, AND THEN WE ALSO RECORD ALL THE MEETINGS ARE HERE.

SO AS THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN, THEN THAT'S WHERE THESE GAPS START HAPPENING.

AND THEN THE OTHER COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T MEET FOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS IN A ROW, I JUST THINK THAT, SO IT LEAVES OUR, OUR INEFFICIENCY BECAUSE OF SO MANY BOARDS THAT WE HAVE MAYBE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING, MAKE LEAVES US WITH A LOT OF GAPS THAT, THAT STUFF ENDS UP FALLING THROUGH.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOTHING BUT AN EFFORT TO, TO MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE, WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND THEN A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE REALLY ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN WHAT THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND STUFF ARE THAT WE'RE DOING.

SO GO BACK TO NITA TO FINISH UP, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO TO NANCY AND THEN DOT.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU NANCY, BECAUSE I GO TO SOME OF THE PARK AND REC EVENTS AND I SEE THE SAME PEOPLE.

AND I KNOW THERE'S MORE ON THE BOARD THAN WHAT IS THAT, THESE EVENTS, BUT IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE FROM THE BOARD.

THAT'S AT THE SAME THING.

SO WE NEED THE ACTIVE MEMBERS TO BE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, NOT JUST, I SHOW UP FOR THE MEETING ONCE A MONTH.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN COMMIT THAT, THAT PERSON'S GOING TO DO THAT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO KIND OF A, OH, IF YOU GO ON THIS BOARD AND COMMISSION, YOU'RE POSSIBLY COMMITTING TO X AMOUNT OF HOURS PER YEAR.

SO THEY KIND OF KNOW UP FRONT, IF WE CAN KIND OF DO A, YOU KNOW, OH MY GOSH, THE MEETINGS ARE TWO HOURS.

ONCE A MONTH, WE HAVE THIS EVENT, THIS EVENT, THIS EVENT, THAT'S ABOUT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 18 HOURS.

IF WE CAN KIND OF GIVE THEM A ROUGH ESTIMATE BEFORE THEY COMMIT TO A BOARD AND COMMISSION OF IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THIS MUCH TIME OF YOUR LIFE, NANCY, WHAT I'M GOING TO GO.

THEY'VE BEEN SCREAMING AT ME DOWN THERE FOR 206 WITH MARK.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES FOR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.

TONY COULD EVEN SPEAK TO THAT PROBABLY TOO.

BUT YES.

SO THE RECRUITMENT AS RICHARD INDICATED, UH, RICHARD, UH, SORRY, WE MIGHT NEED TO DO A LOT OF THINGS TO INCREASE RECRUITMENT AS IT RELATES TO VOLUNTEERS, BUT ONE THING WE NEED AS A CAMPAIGN AND WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF BRIAN, OR THAT WE CONTRACT WITH ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS THAT COULD HELP US WITH THAT.

WE CAN ALIGN RESOURCES TO HELP PROMOTE THAT.

I DO THAT TOMORROW.

IT'S A PHONE CALL, SECOND RETENTION.

ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE.

SO THERE ARE FIRMS THAT ORGANIZATIONS HIRE TO PERFORM EXIT INTERVIEWS AND WE CAN TAKE THE LAST YEAR AND WE COULD START ON OUR SECOND EXIT INTERVIEW.

THE FIRST ONE WE HAD WAS WITH ANITA TONIGHT WHEN SHE GAVE US HER EXIT INTERVIEW AND THERE'S PROFESSIONALS THAT WE CAN HIRE, THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER A REPORT.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.

MAYOR COUNCIL IS ENGAGED TONY TO CALL A FIRM AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LIST OF EVERYONE WHO'S LEFT PAST.

SURE.

YOU HAVE THIRD, LET'S GET A SPREADSHEET ON THE MEETINGS, THE MEETINGS THAT WERE SCHEDULED, THE MEETINGS OF WORK THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THAT.

WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS AN ASSEMBLED AND SENT OUT TO US.

THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION AND THE PARKS AND REC BOARD ON A FREE, UM, DATABASE.

AND MAYOR, IF I MAY JUMPING ON COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS, I, WHEN IT COMES TO THE RETENTION PORTION OF THE VOLUNTEERS, UM, I ACTUALLY GAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS OUTSIDE OF NATIONALLY AS CITIES TO

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IT'S A VOLUNTEER.ORG, UH, THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY ANY STAFF MEMBER AND THE CITY TO KEEP THOSE VOLUNTEERS AND TO KNOW WHEN THOSE DATES AND PLUG IT IN OF THOSE EVENTS CAN GO OUT.

SO I THINK THAT IN CORRELATION WITH SOME, FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, ACTION AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE HEAR A CONSULT, A LOT OF THOSE PROBLEMS WITH OUR ACTIONS AND MARK BRUNS.

WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE HAD A 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL EVERY YEAR, THOMAS CLOUD, CARNIVAL BAND FIREWORKS.

AND I THINK WE USED AN OUTSIDE PARTY, THE JAYCEES TO HELP US WITH THAT.

AND THE BEST I REMEMBER, UH, WE HAD TO PRETTY MUCH HAND IT OVER TO THEM AND THEN ASSIST THEM AS NECESSARY.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR PLAN WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

SO, SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE STILL WILLING, I KNOW YOU'RE ABLE AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER TO SOLVING THAT ISSUE.

WHO'S PLAYING IN, IT CAN ACCESS THAT DATABASE.

SO I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT, BUT JUST TO WRAP THIS UP, WAS THAT FUNNY? WAS THAT FUNNY? I DIDN'T TELL MY WIFE THE JOKES, UH, IF WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, LET'S DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WITH THIS VOLUNTEER DISCUSSION, WE TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN WE NEVER TALK ABOUT IT FOR MONTHS.

YUP.

WELL, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY SERIOUS.

WELL, IF YOU'RE SERIOUS, WE SHOULD TOMORROW START GETTING SOME INFORMATION AND THAT INFORMATION SHOULDN'T BE ONGOING UNTIL WE GET SOME EXIT INTERVIEWS AND, AND START TO HAVE SOME DATA SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD HAVE NUMEROUS VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT CAN'T EVEN HOLD A MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T CONSENT.

I THINK WE NEED DEFINITELY MORE EFFICIENCY DOT THANKS.

MA'AM JUST TO SPEAK TO, UM, THOSE TWO BOARDS IN PARTICULAR PARKS AND REC AND ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION.

IF YOU STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, THEIR FUNCTION IS ALMOST THE SAME AS PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEY SHOULD BE PUTTING TOGETHER IDEAS.

THEY SHOULD BE BRAINSTORMING COMING UP WITH THE, THE IDEAS AND TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMAN SHAW'S COMMENT.

THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO US.

REPORTING TO US ON A REGULAR BASIS.

COUNCIL SHOULD BE INVOLVED BECAUSE AFTER ALL WE ARE THE POLICY MAKERS, WHERE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN, UM, GIVE THEM THEIR POWER TO DO THOSE THINGS THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT THE WORST THING WOULD TO BE, UM, WOULD BE TO BE ON THAT BOARD AND FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION WHERE BASICALLY YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO COME AND WORK AT THE FARMER'S MARKET EVERY WEEK, OR YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO THIS EVERY SO OFTEN, I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM IN POWER DOORS OR COMING UP WITH GREAT IDEAS.

THEY ARE UTILIZING VOLUNTEER DATABASES, THEY'RE PULLING TOGETHER THE EVENTS AND BROADENING THESE THINGS SO THAT WE'RE ON A CONTINUAL PATH FOR IMPROVEMENT.

THE BIGGEST THING I'VE HEARD ABOUT ANY EVENT IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE DID IT LAST YEAR.

AND I THINK THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.

IF, IF ANITA COULD PROBABLY TESTIFY TO THAT, WHEN SHE SAYS THAT, UM, THERE WERE CALLED NO MOST COMMONLY IT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT.

THAT'S WHERE WE DID IT LAST YEAR.

IF WE WANT TO SEE THINGS IMPROVE AND GROW AND TAKE THEM TO OUR READY MARK NEW HEIGHTS, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND EXAMINE THE WHOLE PROCESS.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU, UH, THERE MIGHT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE AND I'LL GO BACK TO, WELL, YOU KNOW, EVEN FROM THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR AND IF THAT'S SARAH OR, UM, WHAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, TO COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I NEEDED THIS.

THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER.

MAYBE THEY, THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO A MONTHLY MEETING.

WHAT IF WE HAVE A LIST OF VOLUNTEERS AS YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I CAN, I'D LOVE TO HELP WITH THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL.

I'D LIKE TO HELP WITH THE MARYWOOD FESTIVAL, BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN COMMIT TO.

THAT'S ALL I CAN DO.

SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE WHERE THAT LIST OF VOLUNTEERS MAYBE COULD COME IN HANDY LIKE THAT SARAH COULD HAVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY ON A, ON A SET BOARD WHERE THERE'S A COMMITTED TIME THAT MAYBE THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO.

SO MAYBE THAT IS THE WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT, BUT WITH A MORE EFFICIENT, JUST SINGLE BOARD, UM, AND MAYOR RICHARD, IF I MAY, I CAN ACTUALLY, I CAN SEND THAT BACK OUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT YOU PUT THOSE EVENTS OUT, YOU CAN PUT IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE REGION AND PEOPLE, CITIZENS, BUSINESS OWNERS CAN GO IN THERE AND PLUG IN THEIR NAME AND INFORMATION AND TO THOSE DATES AND TIMES.

SO YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR VOLUNTEER DATABASE WAY BEFORE THAT EVENT GETS HERE WHILE THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION

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ANYTHING.

SURE.

I WANT TO, UH, EXPAND ON WHAT, UH, UM, DON SAID THAT I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH THE BOARDS, UH, HAVE THEM COME AND PRESENT THEIR STATUS AND PRESENT ANY CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING AND FIND OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED FROM US TO HELP THEM SUCCEED, WHETHER IT'S THEY FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH RESPONSE FOR THE VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY KNOW THEY NEED.

IF THEY HAVE A HIGH EXPENSE THAT MAYBE, UH, WOULD CAUSE THEM TO EXCEED THEIR BUDGET, THEY COULD COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS CHALLENGE, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND, AND JUST LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS EVERYTHING'S ON TARGET, WHATEVER ELSE.

I MEAN, AND, AND IN THAT WAY, THEY KNOW THAT WE CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND WE ARE HERE TO HELP THEM IF THEY NEED, THERE ARE HEALTH.

I AGREE.

YES, I NEED IT.

I WOULD, EVEN, THIS MIGHT SOUND REALLY OUT THERE, BUT I WOULD EVEN LIKE TO EMPOWER THE BOARDS TO BE PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS IS 8,000.

THE ESTIMATED COSTS FOR THIS AS 12,000, THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS IS 2000 AND EMPOWER THEM TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER WHAT ACTIVITIES THEY WANT TO DO.

THE BUDGET.

THEY THINK IT'S UP TO US TO APPROVE OR NOT.

WELL, YOU'RE ABOUT 20,000 OVER OR WHATEVER.

IT'S UP TO US TO APPROVE THE MONEY, BUT THAT EMPOWERS THEM TO START BRAINSTORMING, COMING UP WITH THE IDEAS, PUTTING SOME DOLLAR FIGURES TOGETHER FOR US.

SO WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

I MEAN, JUST KIND OF HERE'S 16,000.

I DON'T THINK THAT EMPOWERS THEM AS MUCH TO BE AS CREATIVE WITH STUFF BECAUSE THE MINDSET IS, OH, WE HAVE 16,000.

WE HAD 16,000 LAST YEAR.

SO WE GOT TO DO THE THREE MOVIES OR FOUR MOVIES, AND WE GOT TO DO THIS AND THIS.

AND SO THERE'S OUR MONEY.

I THINK WE, THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT JUST, UH, THE BOARDS THEMSELVES, HOW OFTEN THEY CAN MEET, ARE THEY REALLY HAVING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS OR HAS EVERYBODY JUST FELL IN THE EASY TRAP OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID? THIS IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

NOT THAT IT'S A NO, BUT IT'S WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

SO IT CERTAINLY IS GOING TO TAKE, UM, MOTIVATED PEOPLE WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WHO REALLY ARE WANTING TO SERVE TO, TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT.

UM, AND I THINK, I THINK IT HAS TO START SOONER THAN LATER WITH THAT BEING SAID.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THE NO REASON AS YOU KNOW, WE WORK AS A BOARD AND COMMISSION.

WE WORKED THOSE EVENTS WHERE IF WE HAD THAT VOLUNTEER THING FOR THE RALLY, I GOT COMING UP FOR FOA OR YOU SIGN UP GENIUS.

I PUT IT OUT TO ALL THE EMAILS I HAVE YOU GO ON, SIGN UP GENIUS.

I CAN WORK FROM THIS SHIFT.

THAT'S TWO TO FOUR DOING THIS.

THAT'S VOLUNTEERED, SIGNED OFF.

YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S PROGRAMS THAT YOU CAN EASILY GET PEOPLE.

IF YOU HAVE THEIR EMAILS GOING, THIS EVENT'S COMING UP.

WE NEED, YOU KNOW, FOR VOLUNTEERS DOING THIS SIX TO DO THIS DURING THIS TIME SLOT AND PEOPLE COULD GO ON ACCORDING TO THEIR SCHEDULES OF LIFE AND SIGN UP FOR THESE EVENTS.

AND THEN I ALWAYS PLAN ABOUT AN EXTRA 20, BECAUSE LIFE WILL HAPPEN AND SOMEBODY WILL GET SICK.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FLOATERS THAT CAN GO FILL THOSE SPOTS IN.

BUT, AND THAT'S SOME OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, RICHARD, THAT SOMETHING THAT PUTS THAT OUT OR CREATES THE LIST OR WHATEVER THAT IS CORRECT.

AND, UM, AND THEY EVEN WORK WITH YOU ON LIKE HAVING VOLUNTEER SHIRTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE MADE FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS.

SO AGAIN, THAT EMPOWERS, EVERYBODY LIKES A FREE SHIRT FOR SOMETHING.

SO, YEAH.

BUT YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD FREE UP THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS NOT TO BE SO, OH, NO, WE DON'T DO THIS.

IF THEY KNOW THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERS TO PULL FROM THAT, IT'S NOT JUST THEM WORKING AT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY AS WELL.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE ON THE BOARDS TO BE THE, A LOT OF THE BRAINPOWER BEHIND THE EVENTS.

THEN YOU NEED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SHOW UP AND VOLUNTEER AND WORK AND JUST DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THE JOB DONE.

YEP.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH A COUPLE, OR I WORKED WITH A COUPLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU SIGN UP GENIUS AND IT'S REALLY GOOD BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE NAMES AND YOU CAN SHOOT OUT AN EMAIL THAT DAY BEFORE THE EVENT, OR A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE AND SAY, ARE YOU STILL SOLID FOR THIS EVENT? SO IF, IF YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO DROP OUT, THEN YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SOLICIT A FEW OTHERS OR YOU CAN ALLOW FOR SOME FLOATERS

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OR WHATEVER ELSE.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S A WONDERFUL TOOL.

MA'AM UM, I AGREE WITH MRS. KITCHEN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO COME BACK TO US AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND TELLS THEIR CALENDAR EVENTS THEY HAVE PLANNED.

I LIKE THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE, UM, COMMISSIONER MARK BRUNS AND HIS CHAMBER.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE ATTENDED THE EVENTS AND ARE WE GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR OUR TAXPAYER DOLLAR? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE AREN'T ATTENDING, I'M NOT FOR DOING IT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING, GONNA MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.

IT IS.

OR I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE QUARTERLY BALANCE SHEETS AND AFTER AN EVENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE WHAT'S LEFT WHAT WE SPENT AND LESSONS LEARNED COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULDA.

WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, LOOK JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I MEAN, AFTER THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST 4TH OF JULY EVENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALL THESE GREAT FOOD TRUCKS TO EAT AT, AND THEN OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF, THERE WAS SOME PICNIC TABLES, NO SHELTER.

I MEAN, THE, I KNOW WE HAD HARDLY THE BEER TRUCK WAS NOT NEAR AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT, AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION DID BECAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T GOING TO GO AND BUY BEER AND THEN STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN FIELD WITH NO SHELTER WHEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 95 DEGREES OUTSIDE.

I MEAN, SO THERE ARE SO LOOKING AT THAT EVENT AS A WHOLE TO SEE WHAT IT WAS, I MEAN WAS, I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST.

THIS IS WHAT'S LEADING UP AT LEAST A BIG PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.

SO THE PLANNING HAPPENS, BUT THEN A LOT MORE, A LOT MORE PEOPLE AND, AND IT'S MORE RESOURCES, MORE RESOURCE, BUT MAYBE THE RESOURCES, JUST PEOPLE, BUT ON, UH, JUST TO SPEAK TO, UM, COUNSELING OF A BAKER'S POINT, BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY OF CENTERVILLE ON, UH, GOING OUT TO A COUPLE OF EVENTS OUT THERE, UM, AND GOTTEN ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING ON THEIR EVENTS AND THEY USE A VERY SIMPLE FORMULA TO DETERMINE SUCCESS ON THEIR EVENTS.

AND THEY TAKE THE ATTENDANCE DIVIDED BY THE EARTH, DIVIDED INTO THE EXPENSE, AND THEY ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AS A PER HEAD, UM, EXPENDITURE.

AND THAT HELPS THEM COORDINATE FUTURE BUDGETS BASED ON, IS THIS THING POPULAR? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AWAY FROM WHO LIVE IN CENTERVILLE OR THEY'RE WALKING AWAY FROM THAT GOING MAN, MY CITY DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THIS.

THIS WAS AN AWESOME TIME.

SO, I MEAN, THEY LITERALLY GAVE ME DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS I'VE HAD IN THE CITY AND WHAT THEY CALCULATE THE, UH, THE PER HEAD EXPENSE TO BE.

IT'S AN AWESOME WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

VERY SIMPLE, BUT AN AWESOME WAY TO LOOK AT EVENTS.

YES, MARK BRIAN, AS WE SIT UP HERE TONIGHT AND SPIT BALL SOME POLICY.

HAVE YOU EVER WORKED IN AN ORGANIZATION WITH A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR? UM, THERE WAS A BRIEF TIME WHEN I WAS WITH THE CITY OF KETTERING EARLY ON, UM, IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAD A, THERE A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR THERE.

UH, BUT BEYOND THAT CERTAIN, NO, I HAVE NOT HAD A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR IN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY I'VE WORKED WITH OR MANAGED.

DO YOU KNOW ANY ORGANIZATION THAT'S HAD A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR? I DO NOT, SIR.

I'D HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.

COULD YOU? I CAN, BECAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE TO THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO AS COUNSEL COME UP WITH THE SOFTWARE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE VOLUNTEERS.

AND ALTHOUGH WE CAN MARK IT AND EDUCATE THE CITIZENS, WE HAVE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T.

AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES THAT COULD HANDLE THE VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR POSITION? UH, YES WE DO.

UM, WE'D HAVE TO REASSIGN OTHER DUTIES.

WE'D HAVE TO RESHAPE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, BUT WE HAVE PERSONNEL THAT ARE CAPABLE OF DOING SO YOU COULD IDENTIFY WHAT THAT PERSON WOULD DO.

AND THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF THAT YOU CAN APPOINT AND DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

SO JUST ONE SIMPLE THING, HAVING VOLUNTEERS COME TO THE CITY QUARTERLY AND TALK TO US, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL IF THEY HAD A PROFESSIONAL WITH THEM, MAYBE A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR THAT COULD HELP THEM WALK THROUGH THAT.

AND WE COULD HAVE SOME STANDARDIZED METHOD IN WHICH WE CAN ADDRESS EACH OF THE COMMITTEES.

SURE, SURE.

WE CAN.

AND IN MAYOR, YES.

IN CLOSING MY COMMENTS, I WOULD SUGGEST WE START THIS IN THE MORNING.

BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT.

I NEED IT.

I'M SORRY TO SAY.

ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES, THIS WILL ALWAYS THROW ME OFF ON A AND B, THEY ALWAYS GET A KROGER OR SOME BIG BUSINESS TO SPONSOR THEIR FIREWORKS AND YOU ANNOUNCE IT EVERYWHERE.

AND WE AREN'T PAYING FOR IT AS A CITY

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WHEN I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF KETTERING, VERY LITTLE EVER CAME OUT KETTERING'S BUDGET FOR FIREWORKS CONCEPT WAS SPONSORED BY CORPORATIONS WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY.

BECAUSE THEY USED TO DO THAT.

WELL WE HAVEN'T FOR AWHILE.

SO I JUST THINK IF WE HAD OUR STUFF TOGETHER, WE COULD.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE SPENDING 45,000 ON FIREWORKS AND WE COULD GET 30,000 COVERED, WE'RE ALL 45,000 COVERED.

WE COULD APPLY THAT TO A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR SALARY.

YEP.

THAT WOULD BE ONE EVENT.

WE CAN APPLY IT TO A LOT OF STUFF.

SO THINK WE USED TO GET A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT.

I WAS VERY SAFE.

WOULDN'T WOULDN'T THAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST WHEN WE GET A LOT OF CORPORATIONS TO HELP PAY FOR OUR FIREWORKS.

I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY MRS. HUBER DONATED A GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY, ONE PARTICULAR YEAR THAT I REMEMBER, I'M SURE SHE DID MORE THAN THAT.

AND SHE DOES A LOT MORE THAN THAT FIRST CITY, BUT I REMEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY, WE HAD A BIG OLD SIGN AT CLOUD PARK AND HAD A BUSINESS DONORS.

AND I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY MRS. HUBERT WAS ON THERE.

GLENN, REMEMBER THE SIGN AT THOMAS CLOUD.

AND WE WERE GOING TO SELL ADVERTISEMENT ON THAT.

IF A COMPANY WOULD SPONSOR THE FIREWORKS, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR AD PUT ON THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE WE'VE EVER DONE THAT YET.

SO BRIAN THAT'S STUFF, A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR COULD PUT TOGETHER.

I BET.

CORRECT.

WE, UM, I'M SURE THAT WE COULD STRUCTURE A POSITION APPROPRIATELY, THAT IT COULD HANDLE THESE TYPES OF, UM, THESE TYPES OF EFFORTS, UH, COLLECTIVELY AGAIN, ALMOST PAID FOR AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE SALARY.

UH, QUITE POSSIBLY.

SO WE WILL, UM, OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, WE'LL HAVE THIS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TOPIC AGAIN, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BEFORE OUR NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETING.

AND THEN I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO FORMING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE FOR THE, UH, 4TH OF JULY EVENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR A, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MULTI-DAY EVENT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD FIGURE OUT AND DECIDE AT THAT IF THAT'S WHAT WOULD WORK OR NOT.