[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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AND WELCOME TO THE HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS JUNE 21ST, 2022.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
DEAR MS. BAKER HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
THIS IS BERGE MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS.
THIS IS KITCHEN MR. WEBB HERE.
MIRACLE WORK FULL HOUSE TONIGHT.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
UP IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE SET OF MINUTES, UH, WHICH IS ITEM TWO EIGHT FROM JUNE 7TH, 2022.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, THOSE MENTAL STANDARDS APPROVED ANYONE.
JUNE 7TH, 2022 MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]
NEXT IS, UH, WHY WE'RE HERE.SO OUR WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, AND WE WILL GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT, UH, AND OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.
I THINK WE'VE KIND OF GOT SOME STUFF GOING ON AROUND THERE.
EXCUSE ME, COUPLE ITEMS FOR COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TONIGHT ON, UH, THE, UH, THE WATER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UH, IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE HAVE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UM, UNDERWAY AND OUT TO BID, UH, AT THE MOMENT.
AND WE SHOULD BE HAVING SOME LEGISLATION BACK BEFORE COUNCIL HERE SHORTLY.
UH, WE ARE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE OUR A WESTFIELD EXPANSION PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND BURGESS DID NIPPLE, UH, WHO IS PERFORMING OUR WATER RELIABILITY STUDY, UH, REPORT, UH, THAT THEY REMAIN ON TRACK AND ON TIME TO DELIVER THEIR REPORT, UH, BY AUGUST 31ST, UH, IN A MORE GENERAL SENSE WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY PARK PLAY STRUCTURE IS COMPLETE AND UP.
UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THE SURFACE TO BE POURED, BUT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THAT SCHEDULED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, SO WE CAN GET THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BACK IN USE FOR THE CITIZENS IN THAT AREA.
UH, THIS WEEK IS CULTURE WEEK.
UH, SO AS A REMINDER THAT, UH, TONIGHT AT SIX 30, WE HAVE A FINANCIAL LITERACY SEMINAR OVER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UH, THURSDAY AT SIX 30, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS NEXT DOOR, OVER AT THE, UH, POLICE DIVISION COMMUNITY ROOM.
AND THEN ON SATURDAY FROM 12 TO SIX, OVER AT THE ICC IS THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL.
UH, AND INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR EVENT IT'S BEING OF EVENTS AND INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE START SPENDING ON HEIGHTS BEGINS JULY 2ND AT 10:00 AM WITH THE PARADE FULL DETAILS OF THAT EVENT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, AS COUNSELS, UH, INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION.
I AM OUT OF THE OFFICE NEXT WEEK ON VACATION WITH MY FAMILY, UH, AND HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR.
KATIE NICELY WILL BE THE ACTING CITY MANAGER IN MY ABSENCE.
SO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT? YEAH.
CLINT, NOT ON TOP OF YOU MENTIONED THAT NOT HARD HITTING, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS A, A, A COMPANY NAMED CHANGE WITH SUEZ TO THE FIOLA OR VEOLIA SERVICE.
AND, UM, I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM, FROM RESIDENTS CONCERNING THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE NO CONCERNS AS LONG AS EVERYTHING'S RUN WELL AND THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT, UH, I THINK IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO SOMEHOW GET A CAMPAIGN GOING AND LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE, THAT THAT NAME HAS CHANGED.
SO WHEN THINGS SHOW UP IN THEIR MAILBOX WITH A DIFFERENT NAME ON IT, THEY'RE NOT, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? WHERE DOES THIS? SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Diesel Fuel/Gasoline Vendors]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE INCREASED NOT TO EXCEED THEM OUT FOR DIESEL FUEL FOR A GASOLINE VENDORS, GYM, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.BEFORE YOU, UM, I HAVE A SUPPLEMENTAL COMING RIGHT AFTER THIS, BUT IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WE ALSO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE END OF YOUR LEGISLATION THAT WE DID LAST YEAR WHEN WE APPROVED SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMODITIES, UH, COUNCIL GAVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS THAT A STAFF WAS ABLE TO SPEND ON THOSE COMMODITIES.
AND TWO OF THOSE COMMODITIES ARE DIESEL FUEL AND GASOLINE, AND WE ALL KNOW, UH, WHERE THE PRICES OF THOSE HAVE GONE THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, I AM PUTTING WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE MAXIMUM DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE'LL NEED TO SPEND.
HOPEFULLY WE WON'T NEED TO SPEND TO THAT LEVEL, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN LATER IN THE YEAR.
AND HOPEFULLY PRICES WILL SETTLE OUT HERE AT THE LEVELS THAT THEY'RE AT NOW.
AND SO I REACHED OUT TO THE BIG THREE AND ASKED THEM, UH, WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THEIR ESTIMATES WOULD BE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE VEHICLES.
AND THEY GAVE ME ALL THEIR ESTIMATES AND THOSE ARE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL.
AND SO AMENDING THIS LEGISLATION FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH IS RESOLUTION 2, 2 0 2, 1 DASH R DASH 7 0 6 5 WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO SPEND IN SUPPLEMENTAL UP TO THOSE LEVELS.
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JIM, ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNSEL? I THINK ALL OF US ARE FEELING THE PAIN AT THE PUMPS.WE CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO, UM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS, UH, UH, THIS CHANGE ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING CASEY? NO OBJECTIONS.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
X, HAS THE, UH, ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENTAL THAT JIM WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT.UH, YES, I HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS THAT WENT OUT IN YOUR PACKET AND ONE ITEM HAS COME UP, UH, SINCE THEN.
UH, SO WE'LL GO OVER THE $17,800 IS NEEDED FOR, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A CAD RMS, UM, CHANGE OVER IN VENDORS.
AND, UH, THAT IS TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WAS THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE.
AND SO WE NEED $17,800 TO, UH, CONTINUE THE SERVICE WITH THE CURRENT VENDOR, WHICH SHOULD LAST ANOTHER, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AS THE ESTIMATE FROM, UH, CHIEF LIGHTENER.
AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE OVER TO OUR NEW VENDOR.
AND SO, UH, WE NEED TO BRIDGE THE GAP THERE.
SO $17,800 WAS NOT BUDGETED TO, UH, TO REMAIN WITH THE CURRENT VENDOR.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF JUNE.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, I BELIEVE WE NEED $163,000 INCREASE FOR FUEL FOR THE POLICE FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES.
AND SO I'VE ASKED FOR THAT AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, IT IS SPREAD OVER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FUNDS, THE POLICE FUND FIRE FUND, LOCAL STREET OPERATING FUND.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, UH, $24,022 AND 58 CENTS, UH, IS A REFUND THAT WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A FIRE INSURANCE DEPOSIT.
WE KEEP THOSE FUNDS ON HAND UNTIL THE, UM, REPAIRS ARE MADE TO THE HOMES THAT HAD FIRE DAMAGE.
AND THEN WE WILL RETURN THAT DEPOSIT ONCE ALL THE REPAIRS ARE DONE TO THE, UM, APPROVAL OF STAFF ON THAT.
NOW THE ONE ITEM I MENTIONED THAT, UH, I NEED TO ADD A REQUEST TONIGHT TO ADD IS CODE BREAD, UM, $22,500.
UH, NOW WE ALWAYS BUDGET FOR CODE RED EVERY YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WAS WE BUDGETED FOR IT? UH, NO INVOICE WAS EVER RECEIVED FROM THE CODE RED PEOPLE.
AND, UH, AND NOW WE RECEIVED AN INVOICE.
THEY'VE INVOICED US FOR IT THIS YEAR.
SO THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED, THE 22,500, IT WAS IN THE 2022 BUDGET, UH, WENT TO PAY FOR THE, UH, MISSED 20, 21 INVOICE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS ON THEIR PART, IT WAS NOT ON OUR PART.
THEY, UM, FORGOT TO INVOICE US.
AND SO NOW I NEED ANOTHER 22,500 FOR PAYING THE CURRENT BILL THAT WOULD RUN US FROM 2022 TO 2023.
SO IT DIDN'T GET DIDN'T GET SPENT LAST YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF DOUBLING UP THIS YEAR ON THAT EXPENSE.
ANY OBJECTION? I'M SORRY TO GENTLEMEN, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? YEAH.
AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UH, IF YOU COULD PASS IT ON MONDAY NIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE CAD RMS SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO PAY THAT VENDOR IN JULY, UH, WE NEED THOSE FUNDS TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT A CONTINUATION OF THE SERVICE WITH THE CURRENT VENDORS IS HANDLED.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR WAIVING THE SECOND READING OF THE SECOND READING PLEASE.
[ Water Main Replacement Program - Award Contract]
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, UH, IN AWARDING THE CONTRACT RUSS.UM, THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE THE AWARD AND TO ENTER IN A CONTRACT WITH M AND T EXCAVATING FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WATER MAINS ON DIFFERENT STREETS IN THE CITY, A STREET MAP IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
IT SHOWS, UH, THE AREAS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO THE WORK.
UM, THE STREETS INCLUDED ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HAVING THE MOST WATER MAIN BREAKS WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, THE BID OPENING WAS MAY 27TH.
WE HAD SEVEN CONTRACTORS THAT SUBMITTED BIDS AND THE BID TABULATION IS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS BID IN TWO SECTIONS, A AND B UH, SECTION.
THEY HAD THREE PHASES AND SECTION B HAD TWO PHASES.
WE BROKE IT UP TO SEE, JUST TO SEE HOW THE PRICING WOULD COME OUT.
AND, UH, M AND T EXCAVATING WAS THE LOW BIDDER ON, WELL, ALL FIVE OF THE PHASES.
UH, THE THREE PHASES OF SECTION A CAME IN AT A TOTAL OF 1.7, $3 MILLION.
THE FE THE TWO PHASES OF SECTION B CAME IN AT $1.03 MILLION.
SO THE TOTAL FOR ALL FIVE PHASES, UH, CAME IN AT 2.7, $6 MILLION.
UH, THIS WAS A LOT HIGHER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
UH, THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT 1.7 1.8.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT CAME IN AT 2.7.
UM, BUT THE S THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE JUST A MONTH AGO WAS A LITTLE CLOSER TO 0.6, THAT HE, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE PRICES HAVE ESCALATED.
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UM, AND IT'S ABOUT 40 TO 50% HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR'S ESTIMATE.UM, THIS HAS HAPPENED WITH MANY CITIES IN SURROUNDING DAYTON AREA.
CITY OF TROY DID COME OUT AND SAID THAT, UH, ALL THEIR PROJECTS BID 25 TO 50% HIGHER THAN THEIR BUDGETING FROM LAST YEAR.
SO, UH, DUE TO THE HIGHER COST, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO DO IS AWARD THE THREE PHASES OF SECTION EIGHT AT THIS TIME AT 1.7, $3 MILLION.
UH, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UH, THE TYPE OF PIPER USING IS DUCTILE IRON.
AND THERE'S A SIX MONTH WAITING PERIOD RIGHT NOW JUST TO GET FOR DELIVERY.
SO THAT WOULD PUT US AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE REMAINING TWO STREETS IS ADD WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, DESIGN ANOTHER ONE AND HAVE THREE STREETS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY BID THOSE OUT.
AND, UM, THAT WAY IT'S BROKEN UP INTO TWO BUDGET YEARS.
THAT WAY THEY'LL BOTH BE ABOUT 1.7 TO $1.8 MILLION.
UM, THAT WAY WE'LL GET ALL SIX AREAS DONE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'D BE FOR BUDGETING REASONS THIS WAY.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET ANY LOANS TO TAKE OUT.
UM, AND THEN FROM THEN ON, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO DO AT LEAST THREE STREETS AT, AROUND THIS AMOUNT EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT COMING YEARS.
SO WE DECIDE AT THAT POINT, WHETHER WE WANT TO INCREASE IT.
UM, AND AS I SAID, THESE WERE THE WORST STREETS IN THE CITY AND, UM, OH NO, WE WANT TO USE THE WATER FUND ON THIS, IN THE, NOT TO EXCEED A 1.8, $5 MILLION INTEREST QUESTIONS.
I, UH, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S CRAPPY TIME FOR ANYBODY TO BE BUILDING ANYTHING OR DOING THIS KIND OF STUFF WITH THESE, WITH THE PRICES THE WAY THEY ARE.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE WORD THE WORK'S GOTTA BE DONE.
NANCY, ON THAT NOTE, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR US.
UM, I'LL HAVE TO THINK OF NUMBER ONE AGAIN.
UM, BUT THE MAIN ONE BEING, UM, I DON'T THINK THE PRICES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN ANYTIME SOON, IF THE MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET, NOT FOR THIS YEAR, IF WE HAD THE MONEY IN THE FUND AND THE WATERFLOOD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THEM DONE ON CONTRACT THIS YEAR FOR WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO INTO THE NEXT YEAR? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WE'VE BEEN, I MEAN, NOT TO DEFER THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE LAST TWO PHASES INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT TO DO IT ALL NOW, DO IT ALL NOW TO GET 2.6 OR 2.7 MILLION.
RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING TO GET ANSWERED IS THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE, THAT IS A HALF, TWO PROJECT FOR US BASED ON WHAT OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT ONE WILL BE OVER BUDGET AS WELL.
AND THEN, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT SCOPE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE, UM, BEFORE WE CAN APPROPRIATELY ADVISE COUNCIL ON WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PRODUCT PRICING IS, IS UP AND IS GOING TO MOST LIKELY STAY UP.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF GETTING AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN FOR THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, BUT THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT IS A MUST-DO PROJECT.
UH, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
I VERY DO VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND.
UM, UM, JIM, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THE WATER FUND RUSS? AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, AND THERE IS ENOUGH BUDGET IN THE FUND TO COVER A PHASE ONE, TWO, AND THREE, A NON FOR FOUR AND FIVE.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ONE, TWO AND THREE, I DON'T MEAN TO HERE.
I MEAN, AND THE TOTAL AND THE TOTAL WATER FUND.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER MONEY IN THAT FUND.
THAT'S COMMITTED TO OTHER PROJECTS.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, I THOUGHT WE HAD A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED.
UM, SO YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK CITY IF, IF, UH, THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN, UH, IN ONE SWOOP, ALLOWING IF YOU WANT TO PUT A 25% DELTA OVER THE EAST PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO ESTIMATE THAT
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AND SEE WHERE WE ARE, IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET IT DONE, I HATE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER WINTER WITH, UH, WATER BREAKS, LIKE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.AND IF WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS, LIKE I SAID, THE PRICE PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO GO DOWN IF WE DEFER IT TO NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT IT.
WELL, I MEAN, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY WE DO NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR PHASE FOUR AND FIVE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND UNCOVER DEBT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO EVEN ESTIMATING IN THE, THE REALLOCATION OF FUNDS BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE SEWER.
WELL, THESE ARE WATER PROJECTS.
THEN I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO RUSS ABOUT THIS, WHETHER THERE WAS ANY PORTION OF THIS THAT COULD BE RELATED TO SEWER.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU, IF WE USE DEVON T EXCAVATING BEFORE WE HAVE NOT PUT A TIP CITY IN TROY, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO OTHER CITIES THAT USE THEM.
THEY'RE FROM, I THINK, BRADFORD.
SO THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO QUANTUM MONDAY? YES.
KATE, WOULD YOU WANT THIS PAST MONDAY, OR WOULD YOU WANT A SECOND RATING? JUST TO CLARIFY? I PREFER IT PASSED BECAUSE THEY HAVE PIPE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SIX MONTHS OUT THE EARLIER THE BETTER IT'D BE NINE MONTHS AND WE GET JANUARY.
AND ANY OBJECTION? ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
[ Energy Aggregation]
UP IS I AM THREE E, WHICH IS ENERGY AGGREGATION.SO THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WHEN WE, UM, I THINK ENERGY PRICES ARE PROBABLY HIGH ON EVERYONE'S MIND, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW IS HAPPENING TO THE, UH, THE PRICES THROUGH AES AND REALLY DIFFERENT, UH, ENERGY COMPANIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO WE HAD AT A, AT A PRIOR MEETING, WE HAD, UM, OUR COMPANY COME IN, THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH WHO GAVE A PRESENTATION ON ENERGY AGGREGATION.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY RECEIVED A LOT OF THE SAME EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES THAT I HAVE.
UM, NOW THAT WE'RE IN THE MONTH WHERE THESE PRICE INCREASES ARE GOING TO TAKE EFFECT.
NOW WE'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS AND MESSAGES, UH, PEOPLE ASKING, DO WE HAVE A PROGRAM? I THINK THEY'RE READING AND SEEING OTHER PLACES AND HAVE FRIENDS OR FAMILY THAT LIVE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE TALKING ABOUT THEIR AGGREGATE PRICING AND KIND OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING, OR ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE? AT LEAST THE MESSAGES I'VE GOTTEN? ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH AN AGGREGATE PROGRAM? SO I THINK RICHARD'S, UH, QUESTION AND CERTAINLY MINE WAS TO PIGGYBACK THAT QUESTION WAS, ARE WE, UM, DID WE JUST PAUSE THE AGGREGATE PROGRAM OR DID WE TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH, UH, WITH OUR AGGREGATE COMPANY THEN JERRY HAD, UH, LET US KNOW THAT WE, UH, WE DIDN'T TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
WE JUST PAUSED THE ACTUAL PROGRAM ITSELF.
SO, AND I THINK JERRY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CONTRACT CAN BE TERMINATED WITH A HUNDRED W WITH 120 DAY NOTICE BY EITHER PARTY.
IS THAT, WAS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
SO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, WE WANT TO END THAT PROGRAM AND LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR LOOK FOR SOMEONE ELSE OR SOME OTHER STATE PROGRAMS. I KNOW MS. BURGESS HAS A CONTACT WITH A STATE PROGRAM.
THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK WITH SOME OTHER PLACES, BUT WE CAN'T ENGAGE IN ANY OF THAT UNTIL THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO TERMINATE THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WEIGHT THAT 120 DAYS AND START OVER, OR, UH, I BELIEVE WHAT, WHAT HE HAD SAID WAS WE COULD GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO GO OUT AND SHOP THE RATES AND LOOK, AND WE COULD PASS SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATION THAT SAID, IF HE FINDS A RATE BETWEEN SO-AND-SO AND SO-AND-SO, HE COULD GET THAT LOCK ON, AND THEN HE'D CONTACT BRIAN, WE COULD PULL THE TRIGGER.
SO I THINK W UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE REASON I WANTED THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS SO WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, DO WE MOVE FORWARD? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO LOCK INTO A RATE IF WE THINK RATES ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO GO HIGHER OR DO WE JUST LET IT RIDE AND PLAY IT OUT AND SEE WHERE IT'S AT, LET OUR, UH, LET OUR RESIDENTS FIND THEIR OWN, UM, ENERGY COMPANY OR YOUR SUPPLIER.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WITH WHERE PRICING, WHERE PRICING IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO PUT A BOW ON THIS IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, AND EITHER AGREE TO LOOK FOR A RATE TO LOCK INTO, OR DECIDE THAT THE RATES AREN'T WORTH LOCKING INTO, AND WE JUST NEED TO LET EVERYBODY BE ON THE ROUND.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND CERTAINLY GET ALL OF YOUR OPINION ON WHAT YOU THINK, WHERE WE ARE, AND MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD,
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MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO OR HOW WE SHOULD ACT.UH, FIRSTLY, I DO WANT TO THINK OF MR. MCDONALD FOR HIS A VERY QUICK EMAIL RESPONSE, UH, TO, UH, THE QUESTION YOU AND I HAVE BOTH, UH, UH, HAD AT THAT TIME.
UM, IT IS, UH, IT IS, IN MY OPINION, I, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MY NEIGHBOR ON THIS, UH, JUST THE OTHER DAY.
UM, IT IS IN MY OPINION THAT, UH, WE, AS THE AGGREGATE, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT PROGRAM HAVE MISSED THE MARKETING BOAT.
UM, I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, I THINK, UH, UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BEHOOVE BOTH OURSELVES AND THE AGGREGATOR TO ENTER INTO A MUTUAL TERMINATION AT THIS TIME, UM, TO ALLOW THE CITY, UM, AND THIS COUNCIL TO GO OUT AND PROVIDE WHATEVER ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND MATERIALS, UH, THROUGH OTHER THIRD PARTIES, UH, THAT CAN PUT A, AN EASE, UH, TO OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, I BELIEVE IN THAT CONTRACT.
AND, UM, IF MR. LEE, I DON'T HAVE IT READILY AVAILABLE.
I DO KNOW THERE IS A POINT IN THERE THAT BOTH PARTIES CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S SOONER THAN THAT, 120 DAY MARK.
UM, AND IT'D BE MY OPINION THAT I'M SURE THAT WE CAN LEGALLY CRAFT UP SOME LANGUAGE TO HAVE THAT DONE QUICK, FAST, AND IN A HURRY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE, UH, THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN BERGE OR ANY OTHER PARTIES MAY HAVE AVAILABLE THAT CAN HELP PUT OUR RESIDENTS AT EASE DURING THIS TIME.
MA'AM RICHARD, APPRECIATE THE OPINION.
ANYONE ELSE? I GUESS I WOULD KIND OF, UH, ECHO THAT SENTIMENT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT JUST WHEN THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS HERE IN SPEAKING TO US, HE KIND OF CAME OFF AS WELL.
WE KIND OF MISSED THAT WINDOW IN THE BED AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF, KIND OF LAID THIS TIME AROUND AND DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANY OPEN WINDOW FOR US.
I THINK IF BEING ABLE TO REACH OUT AND FIND SOME ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS POSSIBLY WOULD REQUIRE IN THIS, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST BET IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW AGAIN, BASED ON HIS CONVERSATION, WHAT HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO FOR US AT THIS POINT.
AND I AGREE, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WHERE MY FRUSTRATION LIED WAS HEARING, UM, I THINK YOU SAID THERE WAS LIKE TWO SEPARATE AUCTIONS, RIGHT? LIKE THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FIRST AUCTION.
THEN, THEN THE REASON WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE RATE WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE SECTIONS, THE SECOND AUCTION WAS GOING TO BE.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE GOT KIND OF CAUGHT OR FLOATED AROUND THAT.
AND I, AND I, AND I REALIZED THERE ARE, UH, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST CAUGHT HERE AT THE, AT THE END OF THIS THING IN A BAD SITUATION, BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER CHEAPER RATES THAN I THINK, UM, SEEING OTHER PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE GETTING, OR THEY'RE HAVING THROUGH THESE OTHER AGGREGATE COMPANIES, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN RATES THAT THEY WERE LOCKED INTO A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TWO YEARS AGO FOR MAYBE A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT.
NOBODY IS GETTING A 5 CENT RATE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN AGREE TO THAT.
THERE IS NO 5 CENT RATE ON THE MARKET, BUT I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS AND PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, SO-AND-SO GOT A RATE AT 4.58 CENTS.
I'M GOING TO HAVE IT, THAT CAN'T BE CURRENT.
THAT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST HAD A, JUST A LONGER EXTENDED CONTRACT THAT THEY GOT INTO MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE LONGER WE WOULD LOCK IN A RATE, THE CHEAPER THAT RATE GETS.
BUT THEN THE DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS YOU'RE LOCKED INTO THAT RATE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFRAID TO START TO GO DOWN.
SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE KIND OF CAUGHT HERE AT THE END OF THIS, BUT I WASN'T REAL THRILLED WITH HIS ANSWER ABOUT, WELL, WE WAITED BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY, WE ONLY HAD THE FIRST HALF OF THE AUCTION, SECOND HALF OF THE AUCTION, THEN, THEN WE REALIZED WE WERE TOO LATE.
SO, UM, I DO HAVE A BIG SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION WITH THAT TOO.
AND, UM, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO DETERMINING THAT CONTRACT AND SEEING WHETHER OFFERS OR WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO, NANCY.
UM, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE FACT THAT IF WE WENT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE, ANOTHER COMPANY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET SOMETHING ON ANOTHER, UH, STATE RUN, UM, THAT HAVE TO GO TO, UM, TO PUC CO TO GET APPROVAL ON THEIR RATES.
THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT, AND HE DID, HE DID SUGGEST WHEN HE WAS HERE, THAT WE MIGHT WANT A LOCK IN AT THAT TIME TO STOP THE BLEEDING AS HE CALLED IT.
SO WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT AND WE NEVER COULD HAVE FORESEEN THAT THE RATES WOULD GO LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT FIVE AND A HALF CENTS BACK THEN WE WERE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WELL, ACTUALLY I THINK HE, I THINK HE GAVE LIKE A SEVEN, 7 CENTS.
I THINK IT WAS CLOSER TO THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE KINDA CHOKED.
WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO SEE SEVEN, RIGHT.
BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE WANT TO, TO STOP THE BLEEDING, HAVE HIM QUOTE US A RATE FOR ONE YEAR AND STOP THE BLEEDING, IF IT KEEPS GOING UP.
AND DURING THAT TIME, JERRY, THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE COULDN'T BE GOING OUT AND INVESTIGATING OTHER OPTIONS ARE THERE, YOU CAN INVESTIGATE, BUT IF YOU FIND SOMETHING HERE,
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OH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT I UNDERSTAND.BUT I MEAN THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OTHER THAN, THAN THE AGGREGATE COMPANIES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, AT ANY RATE, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, AND IF WE LOCK IN A RATE AND THE RATES GO DOWN, EVERYONE'S GOT THE OPTION OF OPTING OUT AT NO COST AND MOVING TO SOMETHING THAT'S CHEAPER.
SO, UM, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS THE BENEFIT, BUT THE ISSUE IS THINK OF, AS WE ALL KNOW, PROBABLY I'VE SEEN, WELL MAYBE NOW, BECAUSE THE RATES ARE SO HIGH, BUT WHEN THE RATES WERE LOWER AND IF THERE WAS A RATE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, HALF A CENT, LESS, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, THREE QUARTERS OF A CENT, LESS ON A KILOWATT, MOST PEOPLE WEREN'T GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF TERMINATING AND CANCELING AND FINDING OTHER SUPPLIER.
THEY WOULD JUST RODE WHAT THEY HAD NOW THAT THE RATES ARE AS HIGH AS THEY ARE.
I MEAN, HALF A CENT, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS THE POCKET QUITE A BIT.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S VALIDITY IN WHAT, IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL, BECAUSE NOBODY IS LOCKED IN.
BUT, UM, I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TERMINATING THE CONTRACT THEN LOOKING? SO IF WE'VE HAD A BETTER RATE, WE COULD LOCK IN OR LOCK IN SOMETHING NOW TO STOP THE BLEEDING.
BUT IF WE FIND SOMETHING LATER, NOW WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE THEN NEGOTIATED THE OUT AT THAT POINT.
SO CAN WE HAVE HIM PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANT TO DO A CANCELLATION OR IF HE'S WILLING TO DO A ONE, ONE YEAR LOCK OR YEAH, WELL, I THINK THE, THE DECISION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO HIM BEING HERE AGAIN, TO TALK MORE OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION TO, TO CUT IT RIGHT NOW.
ANYWAY, THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO FURTHER DISCUSSION I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE OKAY, BUT I, BUT I THINK ALL OF US HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S BEFORE US, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS, OR WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
BECAUSE I MEAN, LOOK HERE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE NOT SEEN THEIR NEW BILL YET.
THAT'S COMING WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
THOSE BILLS ARE GOING TO BE UPLOADED ONLINE OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MAILBOX.
AND WHEN THOSE BILLS, WHEN SOMEBODY USED TO PAY $110 AND THEIR BILLS NOW 250, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAR IT.
WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR AGGREGATION PROGRAM.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, I DON'T THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY AT ALL.
SO THAT'S COMING, THAT'S COMING.
UH, THEY JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE BILLS YET.
AND LIGHT OF THE NEW CONVERSATION FROM COUNCIL IN BURJ, I HAVE NO PROBLEM INVITING HIM TO MONDAY'S MEETING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AT MONDAY WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER HAS TO, THAT'S WHY HE SAID WE GOT TO PUT A BOW ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE GOT TO KNOW WE'RE MOVING ON OR WE'RE GONNA WE'RE TO LET HIM TRY TO GO FIND A RATE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS THE HUNDRED AND 20 DAYS.
SO WE CAN UNILATERALLY DO 120 DAYS.
IF WE WANTED SOMETHING SHORTER, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BY MUTUAL INDIVIDUAL GRIEVANCE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PERSON WHO WAS PRESENTING WOULD HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SAY YES, I CAN AGREE TO THAT, OR NO, I CAN'T AGREE TO THAT.
SO, SO HOW CAN WE FIND THAT OUT? IS THAT A PHONE CALL THAT TONY MAKES AND SETTING THE PRESENTATION OR IS THAT RUSS, CAN YOU SEE IF HE CAN PRESENT US A NEW RAID ON MONDAY? UH, YOU CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU A GOOD DIET IDEA, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'D GO UP TO SUPPLIERS THAT FAST, BUT, UH, HE PROBABLY KNOWS.
CAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY YOU STAY ALONE MORE.
I'M ASSUMING IT'LL BE ABOUT NINE OR 9 CENTS A KILOWATT.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT WILL BE MORE THAN THAT.
HE DID ONE OF THE THING ON HIS, I GUESS HIS DEFENSE.
I TALKED TO HIM AFTER THE LAST MEETING AND ASKED HIM, I SAID, WHAT IF YOU HAD GONE OUT SAY THREE MONTHS AGO? BECAUSE AT THAT POINT NOBODY KNEW, UM, A S WAS GOING TO JUMP TO 10.90 CENTS.
THEIR RATE WAS STILL 4.80 CENTS.
UP UNTIL BEGINNING OF JUNE, IT'S STILL UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
HE SAID, IF HE HAD COME BACK THREE MONTHS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY SIX OR 7 CENTS.
AND HE SAID, NOBODY HERE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WANTED TO TAKE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL AT 4.80 CENTS.
NOBODY, OBVIOUSLY NOBODY, IF WE ALL KNEW IT WAS GOING TO JUMP TO 10.9, WE WOULD'VE JUMPED ON IT, BUT NOBODY KNEW IT AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT ABOUT A MONTH PRIOR TO JUNE 1ST SAYING THAT IT WAS GOING TO GO UP THAT HIGH.
SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN TO BUY BOY STOCK RIGHT.
OR WHATEVER, BOOM, STOP GAMESTOP STOCK.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT VOLATILE? SO IT IS, IT'S JUST, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
I MEAN, WE'RE W WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GAMBLE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DIDN'T IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, MAKE A DECISION BASED ON BAD INFORMATION.
WE MADE DECISIONS BASED ON INFORMATION WE HAD.
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AND THE RATE NOW IS WHAT THE RATE IS.AND WE ARE JUST CAUGHT ON THE BACK END OF THIS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
CAN WE GET SOME LIKE HISTORY? CAUSE WHAT'S THE ODDS OF THEM.
IT'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING BACK DOWN TO THE FOUR OR FIVE AGAIN.
SO WHAT IS LIKE A HISTORY OF FH CREEPS UP LIKE IT DOES NOW, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE PAST.
WHEN IT'S JUMPED UP, MADE A MAJOR JUMP OF HOW MUCH LOWER IT GOES BACK DOWN TO.
I MEAN, DOES IT GO DOWN 2%? DOES IT GO DOWN WHAT'S SOME BACK HISTORY OF THESE OR AM I MAKING SENSE YOU ARE.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS WE'RE THERE, WE'RE UNDER SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES NOW WITH UKRAINE AND RUSSIA AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT ARE AT LEAST FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING ALL THESE PRICE INCREASES.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, PUTIN PULLS OUT OF UKRAINE IS ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING GO BACK TO NORMAL? PROBABLY NOT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A HISTORY.
I MEAN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A HISTORY THAT SHOWS WHAT KIND OF CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE MAYBE THERE IS.
UM, AND THEN WHERE THEY WENT AFTER THAT TYPE OF A SITUATION WAS OVER, UH, SORT OF IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING INTO, MAYBE RUSS SAYS SOMETHING YOU COULD MAYBE ASK HIM TO PROVIDE IF THAT'S BACKGROUND DATA THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH ASKING.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I, I MEAN, THIS COUNTRY'S BEEN IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WARS IN PLACES AND STUFF LIKE THAT PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
SO WHEN THEY WENT UP, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH FURTHER DOWN DID THEY GO WHEN THINGS SETTLED? I'M SURE IT DIDN'T GO DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS.
SO WHAT'S KIND OF DRIVING THAT.
I MEAN THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GET THE BETTER, I MEAN, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
MA'AM I THINK THERE'S A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY TO THIS.
IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO THAT, UM, OUR GUY MADE HIS PRESENTATION AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.
AND IF YOU'RE BLEEDING, YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT QUICKLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS QUICKLY AS RICHARD SUGGESTED, HAVE HIM COME TO THE MEETING.
IF HE THROWS OUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH IN ORDER TO STOP THE BLEEDING, LET'S DO THAT.
THEN THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON IS YOUR POINT ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
THE CITY NEEDS TO GET THE COMMUNICATION OUT IN AS MANY WAYS AS POSSIBLE, AS FAST AS WE CAN SO THAT PEOPLE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE? 16,000 HOUSEHOLDS HERE NOW THAT HAVE ADULTS RUNNING THING, THE BILLS, I MEAN THERE'S 16,000 COUPLES OR PEOPLE THAT ARE SOME ARE SUSPECTING SOME ART CAUSE THOSE BILLS HAVEN'T HIT YET.
JUNE WAS THE, WAS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE RATE INCREASE.
SO WHEN THOSE BILLS COME, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDERING WHAT THE HECK HAS HAPPENED.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE QUICKLY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US COMMUNICATE, THOSE MOVES IN AS MANY WAYS AS POSSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY AT LEAST HAS AN INKLING OF WHAT'S COMING OR WHY.
SO I THINK THE BIG, SO I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A RATE THAT IS A COUPLE CENTS LESS THAN WHAT THEY WOULD CURRENTLY BE PAYING IN SOME TYPE OF AN EXTENDED LONG-TERM CONTRACT.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY A DECISION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME WITH, TO FIGURE OUT IS, IS A FOUR OR FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT TO SAVE A COUPLE OF CENTS WORTH STOPPING THE BLEEDING, KNOWING THAT PEOPLE CAN OPT OUT IF THEY WANT, BUT THAT LOCKS US INTO LONG-TERM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A TWO YEAR AGREEMENT TO KNOCK A COUPLE CENTS.
NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET 9 CENTS FOR TWO YEARS, FOR 24 MONTHS.
I, I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
WE MIGHT KNOCK 2 CENTS OFF FOR 48 MONTH TERM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOT FIGURE OUT IF WE LIVE WITH.
MA'AM WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
I DON'T FEEL IT'S GOING TO GO BACK DOWN AND ANYTHING HAPPENS TO THE SUPPLY IN THE GOLF OF THE HURRICANE OR ANYTHING IT'S WORSE THAN THE WORLD WITH POLITICS.
IT'S GOING TO SKYROCKET EVEN HIGHER.
SO PLEASE BE READY TO DO THIS ON MONDAY.
YEAH, I THINK WE GOT TO PUT A BOW ON IT.
UM, SO RUSS, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF MAKING SURE THAT HE'S HERE FOR, FOR MONDAY'S MEETING.
AND THEN I THINK, YES, THERE'S GOTTA BE A REAL SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT STOPPING THIS AND FIGURING IT OUT OR, UH, TRYING TO TERMINATE AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT QUICKER THAN 120 DAYS THAT ALLOWS US TO, UM, TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE DOM TO ECHO YOU.
UH, AGAIN, KINDA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK ALL OF US HAVE TO BE WHETHER IT, WHETHER WE ALL START OUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S
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COMING BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE, I MEAN, REMEMBER THINKING ABOUT OUR TRASH.I SEE WE TALKED ABOUT TRASH TOO.
WE WERE BLUE IN THE FACE, RIGHT? FOR SIX MONTHS.
AND PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED OVER BILLS THAT WERE NOT UNDERSTANDING A BILL THAT WAS 88 CENT DIFFERENCE.
CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE BILLING CYCLE AND HOW THE BILLING CYCLE EFFECTED WHAT THEIR RATE WAS ON THE CART.
AND ON THE BILL, WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN USED TO PAYING A CERTAIN RATE AND THEIR BILLS ARE NOT GOING TO BE TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT THEY'VE BEEN USED TO BEING PAYING.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT US BECAUSE ALL THEIR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE THEY'RE SEEING ON FACEBOOK ARE LOCKED IN THE RATES AT FIVE AND 6 CENTS.
SO WE GOTTA BE PREPARED FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I DON'T THINK MAYBE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAPPY WHEN THESE, WITH THESE NEW BILLS COME, SO, OKAY.
IS THERE REALLY AN AGREEMENT THEN TO A PRESENTATION ON MONDAY AND THEN MAKING A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD? OKAY, THANKS.
[ Resolution To Appropriate Property - Well Field]
UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS A RESOLUTION TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY FOR THE WELL FIELD, UH, ROSS LET'S YOU ALSO, UH, PROBABLY MORE JERRY, BUT YET IT'S, IT'S CONCERNING THE TWO PROPERTIES OUT ON REPREP ROAD THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR A POSSIBLE ACQUISITION, UH, FOR THE WELL FIELD.ONE WAS A 40, ROUGHLY 40 ACRE.
AND THE OTHER ONE'S ABOUT A 60 ACRE PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE JUST MOVING ALONG WITH THE PROCESS.
I AM IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY GETTING THEIR OWN APPRAISAL TO COMPARE TO IRIS.
IRIS I THINK WAS 6,900 AN ACRE.
UH, AND SO IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO DO.
AND SO, UM, I TOLD THEM ONCE THEY GET IT, WE'LL BE GLAD TO LOOK AT IT AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE RECEIVED THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE, THAT KIND OF INTIMIDATING LETTERS.
I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT THEY WERE, BUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SEND THEM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS CERTAIN LANGUAGE.
SO THIS IS JUST THE NEXT PROCESS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE MOVING ALONG.
UM, I IT'S TOO EARLY FOR ME TO KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE THE PROPERTY OR IF WE WILL COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
BUT, UM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP THE PROCESS GOING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT AT SOME POINT.
HOW HAS THE, UH, HOW HAS THE PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURE? OKAY.
IT'S ONLY HAS ACCESS OFF RIP RAP ROAD THOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JERRY REGARDING THE PROCESS OR WHERE WE'RE AT MAKING SURE RICHARD.
UH, SO THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, UH, FOR ANY MONDAY'S MEETING.
THIS IS JUST INFORMATION THAT WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION.
AND THEN THEY WILL GET A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME TIME.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IS FOR COUNCIL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO TAKE THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S THE LAST THING WE DO BEFORE GOING INTO COURT.
BUT HOPEFULLY BETWEEN THE RESOLUTION, WE HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER PURCHASE AGREEMENT BEFORE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Thomas Cloud Park Expansion Agreement]
IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS A THOMAS CALLED PARK EXPANSION AGREEMENT.UH, AS WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WOULD EMPOWER US TO, UH, EFFECTIVELY PURCHASE NINE ACRES FROM THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY WEST OF TOM CLOUD PARK.
AND UNDER TERMS AND CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE EARNEST PAYMENTS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, UH, TO, UH, TO APPLY FOR GRANTS THROUGH THE ODN OR THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES TO MINIMIZE OUR INVESTMENT.
UH, IN THIS ACQUISITION, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE LE THE ASSOCIATED RESOLUTION ON MONDAY NIGHT.
MA'AM SO BRIAN, THE NINE HOUSES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN, UH, CORRECT.
THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, PRECLUDE THOSE HOUSES FOR BEING DEVELOPED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ Carriage Trails – Special Assessments – Sections 2-5/7-5 * Resolution Of Necessity]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS CARRIAGE TRAILS, SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.THIS IS SECTIONS TWO, FIVE AND SEVEN FIVE, RIGHT? UH, THANK YOU, SIR.
UH, THE DEVELOPER IS PETITIONING THE CITY TO, UM, ASSESS THE, UM, THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR A PORTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS DOES NOT FACILITATE THE CITY, UH, INVESTING ANY OF ITS FUNDS OR PARTICIPATING, UH, IN THIS PROCESS.
THIS IS JUST US SIMPLY AGREEING TO, UH, ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO, UH, UTILIZE THEIR FUTURE PURCHASERS, UH, TO PAY THE BILLS FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD ON OUR BEHALF TO SERVICES RESIDENTS.
UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN SEVERAL OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION LIKE THIS PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THIS, UH, LEGISLATION OR THIS COMBINATION OF LEGISLATION ON MONDAY NIGHT.
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OF NECESSITY AND THEN THE ORDINANCE TO PROCEED OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR BRIAN, WITH CV.ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS ONTO MONDAY? THERE'S TWO ITEMS, A RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE IS THE, UH, ORDINANCE ABLE TO GO THROUGH TWO READINGS OR ARE WE ASKING FOR THE ASSIGNED READING? I AM LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE GOING FOR TWO READINGS.
AND WAS THAT ON THE MONDAY? NEXT
[ City Code - Supplement 10 - Adopting Ordinance]
UP IS I AM THREE I, WHICH IS THE CITY CODE SUPPLEMENT 10 ADOPTING ORDINANCES, TONY, UH, TH THIS IS AGAIN THE STANDARD LEGISLATION YOU SEE WHEN IT'S TIME TO UPDATE THE CITY CODE WITH A NEW SUPPLEMENT.UH, THESE ARE THE, UH, ITEMS OF LEGISLATION THAT WERE CODIFIED, UM, INTO THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CODIFIED ORDINANCES KNOWN AS SUPPLEMENT 10 FOR THE PERIOD BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST, UH, 2022 TO MARCH 31ST, 2022.
UH, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT CAN GO TO TWO READINGS BEFORE ADOPTION, BUT, UH, STANDARD PROCESS LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TONY ON THIS EXTREMELY EXCITING TOPIC? YEAH.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY, THANKS.
[ Public Works Facility]
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE J A LONG AWAITED ITEM WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.UH, RYAN HAVE ANY UPDATES OR, UH, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ITEM IS ON AGENDA TONIGHT COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
SO I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO ADD.
I WAS JUST PREPARED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST CAME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING DURING THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS WHERE MR. SHAW SUGGESTED SEEKING THAT CAPITAL BUDGET REQUESTS FROM THE STATE FOR THIS PROJECT.
HEY, RICHARD, DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION? YES.
SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UM, I HAVE A, UM, SET ASIDE A TIME, UH, AND STARTED, UH, PICKING THE BRAINS OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WHICH WAS QUITE, UM, QUITE INTERESTING DURING THAT CONVERSATION.
I HAPPENED TO TOUCH BASE WITH MY CONTACT WITH SENATOR DEPARTMENT'S OFFICE, WHO ALSO ADVISED THERE MAY BE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE THROUGH THE, UH, LIMA'S EOC, ECO.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ACRONYM HE USED.
UM, AND, UM, I WILL BE TOUCHING BASE BECAUSE I HAVE A PHONE MEETING WITH BOTH OF THEM, UH, THIS WEEK.
UM, I HAVE INITIALLY, UM, WENT OUT TO CONVERSATION OR THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDED ME A THUMB DRIVE, UH, WITH, UM, ALL OF THE NECESSARY INFORMATION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE INFORMATION IS SO LARGE.
IT CAN NOT BE SENT BY EMAIL, SO I HAVE TO HAND DELIVER IT TO THAT'S TRUE, PLEASE.
I REMEMBER SEEING THE EMAIL TRAFFIC BETWEEN YOU TWO REGARDING THE JUMP DRIVE AND ALL.
SO I HAVE TO HAND DELIVER THIS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT KIND OF KICKS OFF THE PROCESS AND MOVING THAT FORWARD.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF ONE AVENUE, NOW WE HAVE TWO AVENUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FORWARD TO.
UM, AND, UM, WITH THESE, UH, CITY MANAGER BEING OUT, UH, NEXT WEEK, I'LL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH HIM, UM, AFTER THOSE PHONE CONVERSATIONS.
AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS CONVERSATIONS ARE MOVING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD IS ED.
UH, NOT A QUESTION FOR, UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW, BUT JUST A, UH, COMMENT OF SUPPORT.
UM, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HURT, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A REQUEST AT THE STATE.
AND, UH, WORST THING THEY COULD SAY IS NO, AND KEEPS US IN THE SAME EXACT BOAT THAT, WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UH, I THINK, UM, THE PEOPLE ON THE, THIS DIOCESE AND THE TALENT THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, THE MANY CONTEXTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, I THINK WE CAN WORK AT IT FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES.
UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW AND OTHERS CERTAINLY WILL HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS YOURSELF.
AND, UH, I'M WILLING TO DO WHAT I NEED TO DO, UM, AT ANY REQUESTS TO HELP THAT FACILITATE AND MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I THINK IT NEVER HURTS STATUS.
AND CERTAINLY, UH, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OUT MUCH A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON COUNCIL, UH, EMAIL PIECE OF PAPER, WHATNOT.
UM, BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU FOR SENDING US THIS, UH, FACILITY STUDY.
UM, IF YOU, IF THIS WAS IN A PREVIOUS PACKET, I COMPLETELY MISSED IT BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THIS FIRST TIME I'M READING IT AND I'M USUALLY, I DON'T MEMORIZE EVERY WORD IN A PACKET, BUT I USUALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM ONLINE.
UH, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THIS FACILITY IS, UH, UH, PROPOSED AT 53,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, ACCORDING TO THIS STUDY, UH, DOES STAFF HAVE AN OPINION AT ESTIMATION? IF, IF THAT'S, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE STUDY, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE ASK FOR MORE KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET LESS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE STRATEGY IN THAT.
UH, CAN YOU SPEAK FOR STAFF AS TO, UH, THE FEELING OF THE ACCURACY OF THAT STUDY AND 53,000 SQUARE FEET? WILL IT DO THE JOB? IS THAT GOING TO
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BE THE ASK? THE, THE STUDY WAS BASED ON, UH, THE APPROACH OF WHAT IS THE IDEAL FACILITY TO CONDUCT ALL OF THE BUSINESS WE HAVE TODAY AND THE BUSINESS INTO THE FUTURE.AND AS I SAID, THE, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE FIRST TIME, I BELIEVE THE ASSOCIATED, UH, ESTIMATE WITH THAT WAS, UH, JUST OVER, I THINK I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 12 OR 13 MILLION.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT.
UH, AND, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF COSTS, WHICH IS WHY WE SCALED THAT DOWN.
SO WE ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ENGINEER A FACILITY, UH, BASED ON, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN AND AN ESTIMATED BUDGET OF 10 MILLION.
UH, AND SO ONCE WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT, UH, OR AN ENGINEERING FIRM ON BOARD WHO CAN ASSIST US WITH THIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DIAL THAT IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO THE, THE STUDY ITSELF THAT YOU'RE READING THAT WAS CONDUCTED, UM, AND IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE MATERIAL THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, HAVING SPOKEN WITH ALL OF THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION WHO NEED SPACE OR WHO UTILIZE THAT SPACE.
SO WE COULD HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, BUT, UH, TO HAVE EVERY VEHICLE, UH, UNDER ROOF AND A FULLY CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING HAS X COST VERSUS, UM, HAVING THE MAJORITY OF VEHICLES AND A THREE-SIDED, UH, STRUCTURE WITH, UH, ELECTRICAL HOOKUPS AS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT COSTS.
UH, AND THEY EFFECTIVELY PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT IN, IN A, LIKE IN SIMILAR WAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE BUYING, UH, AND WE'RE DOING SO IN THE MOST ECONOMICAL FASHION, BUT WE'LL GET THAT DIALED IN.
ONCE WE GET SOME, UH, PROFESSIONAL STAFF, OR ONCE WE GET SOME PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS ON BOARD.
SO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UM, THIS WOULD BE CLOSE TO IDEAL.
IT WOULD PUT ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT UNDER THE ROOF AND A NECESSARY SPACE FOR STAFF WHERE THEY WOULDN'T OUTGROW IT IN A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I BELIEVE THIS STUDY INCLUDES, UM, ALL OF THE NECESSARY SUPPORT SPACE OR STORAGE SPACE, ALL ON ONE SITE.
UH, WE ARE, UH, IN OUR CONCEPT OF, OF PRACTICALLY APPLYING OUR LIMITATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE, UH, LEAVING THE POLE BAR OR LEAVING THE POLE BARN STRUCTURE THERE BEHIND FIRE HEADQUARTERS, PULLING DOWN THE BLOCK BUILDING, BUT LEAVING A POLE BARN STRUCTURE THERE.
UH, THEIR PROPOSAL THAT WAS SENT OUT TO COUNCIL INCLUDED THE BUILDING OF A WHOLE NEW SALT STORAGE BARN.
WHILE THE SALT STORAGE BARN WE HAVE IS PERFECTLY FUN AND ACCEPTABLE.
SO WE CAN LEAVE THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE UNITS OVER TOM CLOUD THAT WE LEAVE UP TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW BUILDING AS WELL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO, WHAT'S ECONOMICAL FOR US TO LEAVE BEHIND AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT.
AND WHAT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO, TO BRUTE BUILD BRAND NEW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THEM.
AND DOES STAFF HAVE, UH, AN ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD EXPECT TO PAY AT CURRENT MARKET, UH, FOR THIS SQUARE PER SQUARE FOOT? UH, AT THIS POINT, NO, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS, UH, WE ARE, UH, WAITING ON A WETLANDS DELINEATION STUDY FOR THE LAND THAT WE HAD DEMONSTRATED TO COUNCIL WAS OUR PROPOSED SITE.
UH, ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE AND, UH, THE DELINEATION COMES BACK, UH, THEN WE WILL LOOK TO ENGAGE, UH, WE'LL LOOK TO RELEASE, EXCUSE ME, AN RFQ TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE APPROPRIATE ENGINEERING FIRM.
UH, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THOSE FOLKS ON BOARD, UH, THERE'LL BE HERE TO HELP US AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE FOURTH QUARTER AND INTO THE BUDGET, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, THROUGH THE END OF THE THIRD QUARTER AND THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THROUGH THE FOURTH QUARTER, UH, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FUNDS IN THE BUDGET FOR DESIGN, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THE BEGINNING OF CONSTRUCTION IN 2023.
AND, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, IN THIS VOLATILE MARKET, I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF AN ESTIMATE AND, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
IT'S JUST, THIS IS A LOT MORE VOLATILE, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM STAFF, AND I KNOW THE ENGINEERING FIRMS GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE THOROUGH, UH, ISSUE, BUT I KNOW STAFF CAN COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE PER SQUARE FOOTAGE TOO.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS PROJECTS GO STARTS BIG, GETS SCALED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, THEN WHO KNOWS.
WE FIND SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY SOMEWHERE, THEN IT GETS BIGGER AGAIN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH BIG PROJECTS BEFORE.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO HAVE TO WORK FOR, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO STAFF CAN COME BACK AND GET AN ESTIMATE FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD GIVE US SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO WORK FOR AS WE GO THROUGH, THE ESTIMATES WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE IDENTIFIED AND THEN WE'LL GET ACTUAL NUMBERS.
BRIAN, UH, IN REGARD TO THE SOFT COSTS, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEES, ENGINEERING FEES, AND SUCH WILL THAT BE PROVIDED US AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS? OH, YES, SIR.
THAT'LL BE, UM, I MEAN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL
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SEES ALL THAT.YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE RECEIVING THOSE PROPOSALS.
AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU'LL HAVE TO APPROVE THE ACTUAL CONTRACT.
TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT FOR PROJECT DECIDES TO BE ABOUT 9% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, AND THEN LOOKING AT A FACILITY FOR $10 MILLION, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT TO CONSTRUCT.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT, OR WILL WE BE PROVIDED, UH, WHAT THE COST TO OPERATE AND THE MAINTENANCE TO A FACILITY LIKE THAT WOULD, YES.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ONCE WE GET, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THAT HONE DOWN ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR CAMP.
SO IT WILL BE CONDITIONED BOTH SUMMER AND WINTER.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL? UH, SO, UM, THAT IS THE PROPOSAL THAT IS IN THE PACKET.
WHAT WE DECIDE MIGHT BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THERE WOULD BE MARGINAL CLIMATE CONTROL.
WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE MARGIN SOME KIND OF MARGINAL CLIMATE CONTROL, UM, EVEN IN THE STORAGE AREA.
AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT ABOUT 10 MILLION.
SOUNDS ABOUT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULL ACRE OR SO COVERED, UH, AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO BUILD A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN, UH, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE QE STUDY.
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WILL BE FLUSHED OUT ONCE WE, WE HIRE A FIRM TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE BUILDING THAT WE WOULD LIKE YEAH.
LOOKED AT THE COST TO OPERATE OR THE MAINTENANCE COST.
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR YET, BUT YOU WILL DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AGAINST GLEN? I'M NOT QUESTIONING SO MUCH AS I'M JUST TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ALL THE DISCUSSION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING DOWN THIS ROAD, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERALL PLAN OF, OF THE FULL FACILITY FULLY CONDITION, THE DREAM LET'S SAY, UM, IS A GREAT TARGET TO PUT ON IT.
BUT IF WE COULD LIKE PHASE IT TO GO TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE WE CAN JUST BUILD OUT WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW TO ACCOMMODATE WHILE UTILIZING OUR PAST FACILITIES WITH THE INTENTION OF ADDING ONTO IT IN THE FUTURE.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT TO GO AS BASIC AS YOU CAN RIGHT NOW, TO GET THINGS BY, AND THEN CONTINUE TO MOVE IT FORWARD AS MONEY ISSUES, MAYBE CHANGE? WELL, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT'S FUNCTIONAL THE WAY THAT WE NEED IT TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
SO WE WOULD LOOK TO FIRST TAKE A, I WON'T CALL IT THE ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE, BUT LET'S CALL IT THE PEOPLE'S SPACE.
DOES THAT FUNCTION THE WAY WE NEEDED TO IS THAT LAID OUT THE WAY THAT WE NEEDED TO AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE THE MECHANIC SPACE.
UM, AND THE WORK AREAS ARE THEY WHAT WE NEED THEM TO BE AND DO THEY FUNCTION THE WAY THAT WE NEED THEM TO AND WHAT WILL IT COST FOR US TO MAKE THEM FUNCTION THAT WAY? AND SO THAT'LL BE, SO WE'RE STARTING WITH A NUMBER.
THE PEOPLE SPACES THAT NUMBER MINUS X, THEN IT'LL BE MINUS Y, WHICH IS THAT MECHANICAL SPACE.
AND THEN THAT LEAVES Z VALUE LEFT OVER.
SO FOR THE SAKE OF JUST THIS DISCUSSION, A $10 MILLION BUDGET, SO LET'S CALL THE PEOPLE SPACES TWO AND A HALF MILLION, AND THEN THE WORKSPACE AND THE GARAGE SPACE IS GOING TO BE A MILLION AND A HALF.
SO, HEY, ARCHITECT, THIS IS WHAT THE QE STUDIES SUGGESTS.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DESIGN THIS BUILDING.
UH, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSION, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE MOVING ON.
UH, BUT, UH, ONE LAST TIME, ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS DISCUSSION.
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NEXT UP IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.UH, SO I HAVE, UM, PERSONALLY I'VE, I'VE BEEN OUT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND I THINK WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THE LAST MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN, UM, THERE'S ONLY TWO MEETINGS, A WORK SESSION, AND, UH, ONE MEETING IN BETWEEN THEM.
SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION TIME AND I APPRECIATE, UH, WAITING FOR ME TO COME BACK.
SO IT CAN BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN, UM, A LOT OF TIME.
AND THEN WE HAD THE FIFTH WEEK I THINK, THERE AT THE END.
SO WE'RE REALLY KIND OF BACK TO THE FIRST MEETING OF REALLY A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DISCUSS THIS.
UM, SO, UH, UH, CERTAINLY I WOULD HAVE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE HAD THIS ON, UH, IF NOT THIS EVENING, CERTAINLY THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAD, UH, HAD REQUESTED WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE IN GLEN, I THINK, UH, YOU HAD, UH, STARTED THE,
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UH, THE DISCUSSION AND THE INTEREST IN HAVING IT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.AND, UH, AND I'LL, I'LL KIND OF TURN THIS DISCUSSION TO YOU AT LEAST FOR KIND OF SOME BEGINNING COMMENTS AND, AND, UH, AND, AND WHERE YOU SEE THIS PROCESS.
AND, UM, I'LL JUST KINDA LET YOU GO FROM THERE.
MA'AM UH, YEAH, I HAD REQUESTED THIS, UM, I, I THINK WE HAVE A SENSE OF URGENCY TO GET A MANAGER PUT IN PLACE.
UM, AND I WANTED TO GET THE DISCUSSION BACK OUT HERE ON THE DICE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
UM, IN MY MIND, I KIND OF HAD A, UH, UH, VISUAL THAT WE'D KIND OF COME TO LOGGERHEADS ON A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES.
UM, I THINK ONE HAS KIND OF MOVED ON AND IS LOOKING TO ACCEPT ANOTHER POSITION.
UM, SO I WAS THINKING THAT WE MAY BE BETTER OFF, BETTER, BEST SERVED TO MAYBE RESTART THE PROCESS, UM, AND GET OUT AND PULL IN A NEW BATCH OF CANDIDATES.
UM, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE WERE FOUR CANDIDATES THAT WE NARROWED THE LIST DOWN TO, AND THERE'S REALLY ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT.
AND THAT'S MR. RICHARD, UH
UM, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE RESTART IS THE WAY TO GO, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY INPUT.
UM, TONY, DO WE HAVE, I THINK, UM, MR. XYX, UH, RESUME THAT WE CAN KIND OF THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT IT, I THINK, AND I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION GLEN, SO I'M SURE MR. OTTO, IF YOU THINK, UM, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO RESTART THE PROCESS JUST BECAUSE ONE OF FOUR CANDIDATES HAS MOVED ON? WELL, IT SEEMS THE, THE THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF COME TO A LOGGERHEAD ON, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO PULL FIVE VOTES ON TWO OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING ON THE STYLUS.
THAT'S JUST MY, THE WAY I SEE IT.
WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR MR. NICK EITHER.
WE DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR MR. ZIPPY EITHER.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY FORMAL DISCUSSION ABOUT MR. Z.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT ASKED IF ANYONE HAD ANY DISCUSSION THEY WANTED TO HAVE CONCERNING HIM AS AN OPTION OTHER THAN A RESTART.
I WOULD BE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I SORT OF THINK THE DISCUSSION NEVER, NEVER HURTS.
SO I TH YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHAT, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE, UM, THE PROCESS OR HIRING A CITY MANAGER, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THAT NOBODY, NOBODY GETS HIRED UNLESS FIVE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL AGREE AT A MINIMUM.
SO THEN BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT, I THINK IF, IF WE ARE, UM, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR, AT THE CANDIDATES AND WHAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE, UH, THERE WERE FOUR CANDIDATES THAT BAKER TILLY BROUGHT FORWARD.
UM, AND AS, AS GLEN HAD SAID, WE HAVEN'T HAD, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND MR. ZIG AND, UH, FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON KIND OF CALL GLEN, I THINK THERE WERE A PART OF THE COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTING ONE CANDIDATE AND OTHER PART OF COUNCIL SUPPORTED ANOTHER CANDIDATE.
AND, UM, BUT IF NEITHER OF THEM GETS FIVE VOTES, THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
SO I THINK WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.
UH, SO I THINK WITH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I STARTED, UH, LOOKING BACK OVER, UM, MR. ZICK, UH, HIS, AND I BELIEVE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT.
I BELIEVE IT'S PRONOUNCED LIKE Z GUY.
SO WHEN I STARTED LOOKING OVER HIS QUALIFICATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME, AS I LOOKED AT IT, HE, HE DID CHECK ALL THE BOXES, RIGHT.
AS WE LOOKED AT THAT HE IS A CURRENT, UM, I THINK, UH, THE, THE, THE MOUNT VERNON, WHERE HE'S AT IS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
SO THEIR POSITION THAT HE HAS IS NOT NECESSARILY TITLED A CITY MANAGER, BUT HE'S KIND OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE HE'S PICKED OR APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR ONLY, UH, BUT ALL THE CONTRACTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE CITY OF MOUNT GO THROUGH HIM, HE APPROVES, HE SIGNS OFF ON ALL THOSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HIS JOB.
HE HAS THE JOB OF THE CITY MANAGER.
HE JUST ISN'T CALLED THE CITY MANAGER.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES WERE AND WHAT THE PROS AND CONS WERE OF, OF ANY OF THE CANS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. ZICK CERTAINLY HAS THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE AND SAY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, HE HAS THE EDUCATION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
HE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE FROM OHIO STATE AND PUBLIC POLICY.
HE'S GOT A PROJECT MANAGEMENT CERTIFICATION, UM, AND HE IS CURRENTLY A CITY ADMINISTRATOR CITY MANAGER.
SO HE CERTAINLY CHECKS ALL THE BOXES.
SO THEN IT'S A MATTER OF, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM AND DISCUSS HIM.
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GLEN, I APPRECIATE THE, AGAIN, THE WILLINGNESS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE GOING TO START ALL OVER.UH, I CERTAINLY THINK HE'S QUALIFIED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WAS THERE A SECRET ABOUT, I THINK MY SUPPORT ANYWAY, FOR JOHN IN THE PAST, WHAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS HIS, UM, ABILITY TO LEAD IN THE FIRE SECTOR AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR.
THAT WAS A BIG DEAL TO ME ANYWAY.
UM, AND, AND WHILE I SUPPORTED JOHN, WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THE LEVIES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT ON THOSE RENEWALS AND FOR ANYONE LISTENING, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT'S NOT NEW MONEY, BUT WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, HIS RESUME, I REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
HE DID, HE WAS A 9 1, 1 COORDINATOR.
HE WAS, UH, HE PREVIOUSLY, HE WAS A FIRE, UH, FIREFIGHTER, AND THEN HE WAS A CAPTAIN IN THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, HE HAS BEEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR.
SO, SO FOR ME, THAT'S A REAL IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS, UH, FOR MR. ZICK IS THAT HE DOES HAVE A VERY STRONG BACKGROUND IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALL OF US UP HERE KNOW HOW MUCH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR FIRE AND OUR POLICE MEAN TO US, UM, HOW WELL THEY'RE THOUGHT OF IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD LEADER OF, UH, OF OUR POLICE AND FIRE BASED ON, BASED ON HIS BACKGROUND.
UM, YOU WANT TO LOOK THROUGH THE CANDIDATE QUESTIONNAIRE.
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT HE, UH, TALKED ABOUT AND, UM, AND SAID THAT MATCH UP WITH KIND OF THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK THERE, THERE'S NO OTHER BIG SECRET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE A DIVIDED COUNCIL ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AND SOME ISSUES WE AGREE WITH, BUT THE SITUATION THAT HE WAS IN BEING APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR SPECIFICALLY, HE'S VERY USED TO WORKING WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND BRINGING, UM, BRINGING THAT COUNCIL TOGETHER, UM, WORKING WITH EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, HE FLAT OUT SAID, NOT EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY LIKES HIM BECAUSE EVERYBODY LIKES AN AIR AND SOME PEOPLE LIKED THE MAYOR LIKE HIM.
SO THERE'S A, HE'S VERY GOOD AT BRINGING THOSE PEOPLE TOGETHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO PART OF, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I WILL SAY, I THROUGH TONY, UH, AND PATTY HAD REACHED OUT TO RICHARD AND I HAD A, A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND HE IS, UH, HE IS AVAILABLE AND HE IS INTERESTED.
AND I WOULD SAY NOT ONLY INTERESTED, BUT HE'S ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO LEAD HEBREW HEIGHTS, UH, WOULD BE.
SO, UM, AT THAT POINT, I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS GOOD TO HAVE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WAS, HE WAS ONE OF OUR TOP FOUR CANDIDATES THAT, THAT EVERYONE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY GLOBAL COMPANY THIS ONE SECOND, UH, SO I, I DO SEE YOUR HAND, YOU KNOW, LUKE WAS A VERY DYNAMIC SPEAKER, UM, VERY EXCITED AND EXCITABLE.
AND IF I WAS INTERVIEWING FOR THE POSITION, I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO HAVE PRESENTED OR BEEN INTERVIEWED PRIOR TO LUKE, UM, JUST BASED ON WHAT, UM, AGAIN, LUKE'S OWN PERSONALITY.
UH, SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOKED AT LUKE KIND OF THE SAME THING, LUKE WAS, UH, WAS ALL PERSONALITY, BUT LUKE DID LACK THE MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE SIDE.
HE WAS THE ASSISTANT PLANNER, NOT AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
SO WE IN, IN DEALING AND LOOKING WITH, WITH EVERYBODY THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THIS CANDIDATE DOES, LIKE I SAID, CHECK THE BOXES AND I THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD HIRE FOR THE CITY.
I THINK HE WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED, UH, TO START THIS PROCESS OVER AND GO ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE, SIX MONTHS WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER.
UM, BUT I WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO THIS COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND FIGURE OUT AND HOPEFULLY HIRE A CITY MANAGER AND, AND PUT THIS ISSUE TO BED SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO AS A, AS A COUNCIL IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS.
AND RICHARD, YOU HAD YOUR HAND RAISED.
UH, I FIGURED I'D JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY MY PEACE EARLY IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, I, I WELCOME THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION AND, UH, AND THE OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS OF YOURSELF AND MR. OTTO.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO DISAGREE AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND ALONG WITH MY OPINIONS AND MY BELIEF, IT WOULD ALMOST SEEM AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE SETTLING AND HERE'S WHY I SAY THIS.
AND, AND, AND THE, I HAVE MR. AND MRS. JOHN Q TAXPAYER THAT HAS ASKED US TO HIRE A HEAD OF THE CITY, UM, AND HAS PUT THIS COUNCIL IN CHARGE OF DOING THAT.
UM, WE COULDN'T GET FIVE VOTES FOR MR. RUSSELL.
UH, WE COULDN'T GET FIVE VOTES FOR MR. SIMS AND IT APPEARS THAT MR. SANDERS MAY HAVE MOVED ON TO ANOTHER POSITION.
I HAVE NOT HEARD OR CONFIRMED THAT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD HAPPEN VERY SOON.
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AND MR. LYONS, UM, ASKED FOR A CONVERSATION TOPIC, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, UM, REGARDING, UH, THE OTHER CANDIDATE.AND THEN NOW WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST ONE.
SO I JUST FEELS THAT WE'RE SETTLING AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MY OPINION, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PULL THE PLUG AND RESTART THE PROCESS.
UH, WE ALREADY HAVE THE TEMPLATE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION TO GO OUT.
UH, IN MY OPINION, ALL IT TAKES IS A PHONE CALL TO PATTY AND SAY OPEN IT BACK UP.
UM, AND, UH, AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AND NOT SETTLE.
UM, AND I JUST DIDN'T GET THAT, THAT WARM AND FUZZINESS FROM, FROM RICHARD DURING HIS INTERVIEW, I HAD TO WATCH THEM.
UM, I WASN'T GIVEN ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS OR, OR, UH, PHONE CONVERSATIONS OR PERSON TO PERSON MEETINGS WITH THE CANDIDATES AFTER, AFTER MY REQUEST.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POSITION AT THIS TIME.
AND, AND, UH, AGAIN, I, I RESPECT ALL THE OPEN OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS ON THIS MATTER.
I'M JUST GLAD WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO.
AND I'M RICHARD, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
I REALLY DO, BUT I THINK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE WORD SETTLING, CAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE AT ALL.
UM, THERE WERE 30 CANDIDATES THAT APPLIED, I BELIEVE WAS THE NUMBER ABOUT 30 CANDIDATES.
SO OUT OF 30 CANDIDATES THAT APPLIED, UM, YOU GUYS WATCHED VIDEO, UH, YOU RANKED THEM ON A SCORING SYSTEM.
YOU GUYS HAD DECIDED WHO YOU, YOU LIKE TO, YOU DIDN'T LIKE YOU BROUGHT FOUR CANDIDATES FORWARD.
THERE ARE 26 OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU DECIDED NOT TO LOOK AT OVER MR. ZICK.
SO SETTLING IS A SETTLING IS NOT AT ALL.
HE IS A FULLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE WHO MADE THE TOP, UH, THE TOP FOUR CANDIDATES, UH, THAT WERE BEING REVIEWED BY THE SCORING SYSTEM THAT, THAT BAKER TILLY PUT TOGETHER AND BROUGHT THOSE CANDIDATES FORWARD.
SO TO SAY THAT WE'RE SETTLING WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE ONE OF THE TOP FOUR CANDIDATES THAT, THAT APPLIED AND INTERVIEWED, UH, IS THE LAST THING, THE FURTHEST DEFINITION FROM SETTLING I COULD THINK OF.
UM, I'LL HAVE MY COMMENT ON PERSONAL SPENDING THIS.
I THINK PERSONALLY, IF WE START THIS PROCESS OVER AND GO OUT FOR MORE CANDIDATES, I THINK THE CANDIDATE POOL IS GOING TO BE LESS THE NEXT TIME THAN WHAT IT WAS THIS TIME.
UM, IF YOU LIST A HOUSE ON THE MARKET AND HAVE IT OUT THERE FOR 90 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS, AND IT DOESN'T SELL, AND THEN YOU PULL IT OFF THE MARKET AND THEN YOU PUT IT BACK ON THE MARKET, THREE MONTHS LATER, THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS DROP THE PRICE.
AND I THINK TO ME, I THINK THAT'S SETTLING.
IF WE GO BACK OUT AND STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED THE FIRST TIME, PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO APPLY THOSE 30 CANDIDATES, PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO APPLY AGAIN, BECAUSE THE SAME LISTING FROM THE SAME RECRUITING FIRM IS GOING TO GO BACK OUT THERE.
AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO WONDER, WELL, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON THERE? WHY COULDN'T, WHY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED THE FIRST TIME? AND I THINK PSYCHOLOGICALLY THAT WILL DO A LOT TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING.
AND I THINK YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU GET APPLYING MIGHT BE THE PEOPLE WHO BECOME, UH, WHO MIGHT BE DESPERATE, WHERE THEY'RE AT, WHO WERE JUST WILLING TO GET AWAY.
AND THAT'S WHO WE ENDED UP WITH.
SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, THAT PROCESS, NOT OVERLOOKING A PERFECTLY VIABLE CANDIDATE WHO CHECKS ALL THE BOXES, THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOP FOUR CANDIDATES THAT THIS COUNCIL PICKED BEFORE, STARTING THAT PROCESS OVER AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE, YOU MIGHT END UP WITH SIX MONTHS FROM NOW LOOKING AT ANOTHER GROUP OF CANDIDATES THAT EVERYBODY DISAGREES ON.
AND THAT HAS TO SAY, MAYBE FEELS PRESSURED TO HIRE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE NOW WE'RE SIX MONTHS FURTHER INTO THIS PROCESS.
SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WAY THAT WE LIKE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, I THINK CERTAINLY A GREAT COMPROMISE ON, ON A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE THAT, UM, THAT SERVES EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, TO WORK WITH ALL OF US WHO WOULD BE EXCITED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND, UM, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL SAY THE PROVERBIAL.
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TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.THIS, THIS GUY IS A SOLID CANDIDATE FOR CITY MANAGER AND MADE EVERYONE'S TOP FOUR CHOICES.
THAT'S REALIZING NOBODY'S GOING TO GET APPOINTED WITHOUT FIVE VOTES AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.
THE NEXT GO ROUND IS GOING TO GET FIVE VOTES.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THE RISK OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HIRE SOMEBODY OR FINDING A, A MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD FIND ANYONE MORE QUALIFIED.
WE MIGHT FIND SOMEONE AS QUALIFIED AS RICHARD, BUT WE MIGHT NOT FIND SOMEONE.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'D FIND SOMEONE MORE QUALIFIED.
I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THIS COUNCIL HAS TO DO IS HIRE A CITY MANAGER.
IT'S BEEN SINCE MARCH OF 2021, SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE AND WE HAVE A VIABLE CANDIDATE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO START THIS PROCESS OVER.
WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED, WHO'S QUALIFIED, WHO CHECKS ALL THE BOXES THAT WAS IN YOUR TOP FOUR.
I DON'T CONSIDER THAT SETTLING AT ALL.
I, I, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE AND THAT IS ALL MY COMMENTS I HAVE ON THIS TOPIC FOR THIS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I BELIEVE, DURING THE PROCESS THAT PATTY MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THEY KEEP RECEIVING RESUMES AND TILL WE ACTUALLY HIRE, I BELIEVE SO.
HAS SHE GOTTEN MORE? AND I THINK THE LAST ONE I TALKED TO HER ABOUT THAT POINT WAS LAST WEEK, AND I THINK SHE SAID WE HAD THREE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, CAUSE I REMEMBER HER SAYING THAT KIND OF A COMMENT.
I THINK THE, WE COULD ASK HER, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS IN HER EXPERIENCE THAT IN THE FEW TIMES THAT THEY'VE HAD TO RESTART A PROCESS, THAT IF THEY HAVEN'T GOT A CITY MANAGER HIRED WITH SOMEBODY THAT THE QUALITY OF THE CANDIDATE POOL GOES DOWN EVERY TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO THE APP TO DO THAT, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION AND WHY, WHY CAN'T THEY HIRE SOMEBODY? YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF, BUT SHE DID INDICATE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS POSITION HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS AS IT'S GONE ALONG AND THEY'VE SEEN SOME OF THE DIVISION AND CONTROVERSY AND THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE CANDIDATES THAT ARE GOOD CANDIDATES THAT ARE RELUCTANT TO STEP INTO A PROCESS THAT THEY THINK IS GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY CONVOLUTED AND A DRAW NOW WITH NO POSSIBLE CHANCE OF SUCCESS.
SO, UM, WE MIGHT LOSE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD NORMALLY APPLY JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN THE PROCESS TODAY AND, UH, MIGHT BE SCARED OF PUTTING, PUTTING THEMSELVES THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ADDING ADDITIONAL APPLICANTS DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT THEY ROSE TO THE TOP OR NEAR THE TOP IN THE SCORING.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, IF PATTY SAW SOMEONE THAT SHE THOUGHT OR THAT RANKED IN A, AT A LEVEL THAT SHE THOUGHT WOULD BE, UH, COMPETITIVE WITH THE FIRST, WITH THE FINAL FOUR, THAT SHE WOULD BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
I THINK SHE PROBABLY HAS SOME, SOME DUTY TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, IF SHE, TO AT LEAST NOTIFY TONY THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'VE GOT A RESUME FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S A POTENTIAL STAR.
I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PERSON THEN.
I THINK, I THINK SHE WOULD'VE DONE THAT.
MA'AM UM, MAYOR GERALD SMITH WAS ALSO EXPERIENCED CITY MANAGER.
IS HE GOING TO GET A CONSIDERATION AS WELL? OR IS THAT, AND, AND I'M ALL FOR COMPROMISE.
I THINK LOGGERHEAD WAS, WAS THE TERM THAT WAS USED.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ON THE DICE EVERYONE CAN GET LIKE THAT.
I CERTAINLY KNOW I HAVE, UM, MORE SO LATELY MAYBE, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN A COMPROMISE, IT, IT'S NOT A DIRTY WORD.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH AND THEN MOVE ON.
BUT, UH, AS GERALD SMITH BEEN A TOPIC, CAUSE HE, HE DOES COME WITH QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, SO WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MR. SMITH IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I'M NOT GOING TO DIVULGE ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION INFORMATION REGARDING CONVERSATIONS.
SO, SO, SO, SO, BUT MY POINT IS I DON'T, I THINK THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONCERNS THAT I HAD.
THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD AND THERE ARE, UM, SOME SHORTCOMINGS THAT ARE, UH,
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CONCERNS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE PERSONALLY SPEAKING ABOUT ANY CANDIDATES SHORTCOMINGS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IN A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE, UM, WHERE THEY MAY BE LOOKING FOR OTHER EMPLOYMENT STILL.I MEAN, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROFESSIONAL OR LESS TO DO.
I DON'T THINK MR. SMITH WOULD, UH, WOULD APPRECIATE THAT HAVING THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION DIALOGUE AND AN OPEN AND AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, BUT THOSE CONCERNS AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND ARE VERY, VERY VALID.
SO, UM, IF THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN AND ENTERTAINING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THAT, UH, REGARDING MR. SMITH, BUT I, FOR ONE COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE VERY PROFESSIONAL FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, REGARDING MR. SMITH WHILE HE IS, UM, STILL IN THE SEARCH PROCESS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S INTERVIEWED FOR OTHER OTHER POSITIONS AND I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE ON, UH, ON THE PUBLIC OR ON OUR SHOULDERS, THAT WE WERE THE REASON HE DIDN'T GET HIRED SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN, UM, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION.
I JUST QUICKLY WANT TO SPEAK TO, WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF ASSERTIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS, UM, ON WHO MAY APPLY, WHO MAY NOT APPLY WHAT THE VALUE OF THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE OR NOT BE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE UNKNOWNS.
WE DON'T KNOW THIS, WE CAN CERTAINLY FORMULATE OUR OWN OPINIONS.
UM, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I HEARD, EVEN BEFORE WE STARTED THE PROCESS, I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET, BUT A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, NOBODY WANTS TO COME HERE.
AND THEN WE GOT LIKE 30 APPLICATIONS NOW OF THOSE 30.
WE DIDN'T REVIEW ALL OF THOSE 30.
IT WAS WEEDED DOWN TO 12 FOR US.
SO WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH 12.
UM, BUT I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN WITH THIS.
UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY THE POSSIBILITY THAT A FULL ON GYM COULD COME OUT OF, OF A NEW SEARCH.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT I DO FEEL THAT WAY AND WHETHER ANYBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THEIR MIND OR MAKE SOME, UM, MOVE OR MOTION FOR A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE, THAT'S FINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAD FELT THAT WE HAD COME TO THAT HARD STOP AND WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANY TRACTION UNLESS WE DID RESTART, BUT I DID WANT TO PUT IT OUT THOUGH, SO WE COULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION IN CASE OTHERS WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA, BUT I JUST WANT THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I DON'T WANT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS AND ASSERTIONS OUT THERE SO MUCH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE GOT SOME GOOD PEOPLE OUT.
IT, THIS ONE THAT I, SOME THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT, SO YEAH.
ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THEM MADE OUR TOP FOUR.
AND, UH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND I APPRECIATE YOU LEADING THE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, UH, INPUT OR DISCUSSION FROM NO, I SAID I WAS DONE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I ACTUALLY HAD A THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT MIGHT INTEREST COUNCIL AND I THINK WOULD INTEREST A NEW SET OF CANDIDATE POOL.
I WOULD EVEN BE INTERESTED ON MONDAY, UM, UH, PROVIDING THE AUTHORIZATION TO BAKER, TILLY, TO RESTART THE PROCESS AND PUT A $20,000 BUMP ON THE, ON THE SALARY.
NOT, I, I WOULD JUST SAY I APPLAUD THE FACT THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, TRYING TO GET THROUGH IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE ASKING US TO DO.
WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT? SO I THINK THE DISCUSSION PART IS GOOD.
I WILL JUST BRING UP THE, WITH THREE CANDIDATES BEFORE US, UM, INCLUDING, UH, RETRO.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THE CANDIDATE FORWARD, THEN I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF FIVE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES, UM, TOWARDS ANY ONE PARTICULAR CANDIDATE RICHARD GERALD OR, OR JOHN.
AND IF THERE'S NOT SORT OF AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY AS IT.
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WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DISCUSSION CONTINUED BEFORE, MOVE FORWARD AND PUT ANYTHING ON AN AGENDA AS TO WHO OUR SELECTION IS, IF IT MEANS WHEN YOU NEED TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.SO WE CAN, AS YOU STATED, UH, DISCUSS THE SHORTCOMINGS WITHOUT, UM, PUTTING A CANDIDATE AT RISK.
AND IF NOT, THEN I GUESS I WOULD FEEL THE SAME AS RICHARD THAT PERHAPS WE'RE JUST START OVER AND IT WAS DISCUSSION.
SO WHERE WE GO, THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO SAY BASED ON DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT, I THINK THAT THE RESTART MAY BE OUR ONLY OPTION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, DON.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, RICHARD MENTIONED SOMETHING, NOBODY ELSE HAS BEEN SPECIFIC, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY MOVEMENT TOWARDS ANYTHING ELSE.
I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO RESTARTING THIS PROCESS, UH, FOR US TO GO NINE MONTHS, 12 MONTHS WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER IS JUST, IT IS JUST RIDICULOUS BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS FOR US UP HERE IN THIS DIOCESE TO DO OUR JOB, WE HAVE FOUR CANDIDATES AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO SELECT ONE OF THEM, UH, AND, AND GET IT DONE.
AND PART OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN AS FOR PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO VOTE.
HOW MANY MONTHS DID YOU SAY WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT A CITY MANAGER? WELL, SINCE MARCH OF WHAT? TWO? YEAH, WELL, THAT'D BE 15, 15 MONTHS NOW.
AND THEN YOU STARTED OVER AND YEAH, SO GLENN AND I, AND ANITA AND I AM TALKED ABOUT STARTING OVER AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'VE TALKED TO GLENN AS OF THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE CAN WALK AND CHEW BUBBLE GUM AND COULD WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH RICHARD ZINC? UM, HIS QUALIFICATIONS, UH, LOOK LIKE THEY'RE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT ANITA WAS LOOKING FOR IS EDUCATION AND SO ON.
UM, IF WE DID THAT, COULD WE, AT THE SAME TIME ON A PARALLEL TRACK, BE TALKING TO PATTY ABOUT WHAT STARTING OVER IS AND GET THAT PROCESS MOVING? YEAH, I THINK, UH, TONY COULD PROBABLY TALK TO HER AND AT LEAST GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT, OF, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE AS WELL, TOO.
UM, WE WENT FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER TO WAIT FOR THE ELECTION.
THAT WAS EIGHT MONTHS WE'VE WASTED.
THIS PROCESS COULD HAVE STARTED AT ANY TIME DURING 2021, BUT WE DELAYED IT ON PURPOSE.
NOW WE'VE MOVED INTO 2022 AND WE'RE NOW FIVE MONTHS IN.
WE DIDN'T EVEN SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH BAKER TILLY UNTIL NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ACTED, BUT POINT BLANK AND, AND IT'S TIME WE DO, WE HAVE FOUR CANDIDATES.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DID, UH, I SHARED WITH GLENN, UH, EARLIER THAT, UM, I WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH LUKE THAT I, WHEN I WENT THROUGH WITH, UM, WITH RICHARD AND, UM, GOING FROM, FROM THAT POINT, UH, I MADE AN HONEST EFFORT TO COMPROMISE.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY WILLING TO SUPPORT AND HIRE LUKE IF I THOUGHT LUKE COULD GET FIVE VOTES.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE FIVE VOTES HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN, AND I WOULD'VE BEEN WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND I TRIED, AND I HAD THE SAME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION TO GET AHOLD OF LUKE AS I DID WITH RICHARD AND, UH, LUKE CALLED AND SAID, THANKS, BUT NO, THANKS.
AND WOULD THAT BEING SAID, LOOK, SEND AN EMAIL TO PATTY.
AND WE HAVE THE EMAIL FROM PATTY THAT SAYS, LUKE SAID, THANKS, BUT NO THANKS.
SO I'M TRYING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER FOLKS.
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OKAY.SO IN THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH GLEN, VERY HONEST AND OPEN, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT STARTING OVER AND IT APPEARED.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF RICHARD, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, I WAS FOR JOHN, UH, I THINK I COMMUNICATED THAT WITH YOU ANITA, THE FIRST NIGHT OF THE INTERVIEWS, WHEN YOU ASKED WHO I WAS FOR, MAYBE THAT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT I DID TAKE THAT POSITION AFTER THE INTERVIEW, UH, TO DON'S POINT, IF WE CAN'T GET FIVE VOTES, WE'RE NOT WAY.
AND WE ARE GOING TO START OVER AND STARTING OVER IS NOTHING SPECIAL.
YOU MAY STILL WANT TO GET FIVE VOTES.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME ASK, CAN WE CHEW BUBBLE GUM AND WALK? CAN WE LOOK AT THIS GENTLEMEN, WHATEVER THAT MEANS WHILE WE LOOK AT HIM, BE COMMUNICATING WITH PATTY AS WELL.
DOES SHE HAVE SOME OTHER APPLICANTS? THIS GENTLEMAN HAS THE EDUCATION BACKGROUND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
HE'S NOT ONE OF THE OLD GUARD, HE'S A NEW, UH, I REALLY HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THEM.
I'M NOT FOR UPPING THE ANTE AND INCREASING THE BID TO $20,000.
I WASN'T NECESSARILY FOR, UH, WAITING UNTIL NOVEMBER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A SEARCH FIRM EITHER, BUT EVERYTHING WE DO IS COMPROMISE.
AND IF I COULD COMPROMISE, I'M WILLING TO, UH, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT MUCH OF A RECOMMENDATION MAYOR, BUT, UH, IS THERE, UH, WOULD ANYONE BE OPPOSED AND WE'D HAVE TO ASK IF HE WOULD EVEN BE INTERESTED, UM, FOR A SECOND, WOULD THERE BE ANY INTEREST IN HAVING, UM, RICHARD COME BACK AND COUNSEL HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS OR GET MORE DETAILED OR IN DEPTH WITH, UM, THE CITY AND ISSUES OR, OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, IF HE'D EVEN BE INTERESTED IN GOING THROUGH THAT AGAIN, I KNOW AS OF RIGHT NOW, HE'S AVAILABLE AND HE'S INTERESTED IN IF WE MADE AN OFFER, BUT, UM, AGAIN, THAT ONLY MATTERS IF THERE'S FIVE OF THOSE MARTIN, THERE'S TWO THINGS HAS TO HAPPEN.
ONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO HIRE ANYONE.
AND THE PERSON THAT WE HIRE HAS TO AGREE TO OUR TERMS. WHEN I SAID, CAN WE GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND CHEW BUBBLE GUM? MAYBE IF WE TOLD HIM WHAT WE WERE WILLING TO OFFER.
CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT.
SO MAYBE RICHARD ZEKE IS OUT OF THE RUNNING AS SOON AS WE DO TALK TO HIM.
AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN IN MY OPINION, REQUIRE HIM TO FLY HERE, DRIVE HERE, WHATEVER IT IS, NANCY, CAN WE TALK TO ONE CANDIDATE AND VIBE ONE CANDIDATE BACK AND STILL BE FAIR TO THE OTHER THREE CANDIDATES.
UH, WELL I WAS TOLD INITIALLY WE COULDN'T, WHEN I ASKED MY QUESTION, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE JUST A COUNCILMAN WEB, JUST TO CUT ALL THE BS AND THE ENTIRE ROOM.
I, IT IS, IN MY OPINION, HUMBLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FIVE VOTES FOR RICHARD ZIG.
LET'S JUST STOP THE, THE ANTIQUES GO TO MONDAY, RESTART THE PROCESS IN MY OPINION.
UM, CAUSE I THINK HONESTLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL HONEST CONVERSATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET FIVE VOTES FOR THIS GUY.
WHY NOT? I THINK I'M GOING TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS.
HE WAS AT NOBODY'S TOP AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
THAT'S THE POINT DON'T DON'T SAY IT WASN'T ANYBODY'S TOP.
SO IT WAS GERALD SMITH AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE BACK AND I'M UH, AND AGAIN, COUNSEL AND WEB TO BE RESPECTFUL.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M NOT EVEN TRYING TO PULL PUNCHES ON.
YOU ASKED A LEGIT QUESTION, I'M ANSWERING YOUR LEGIT QUESTION.
DIDN'T MEAN TO JUST BLURT IT OUT, BUT ISN'T THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? WE'RE LOOKING FOR FIVE VOTES FOR A ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES.
AND UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS SHORT OF DOING A STRAW POLL AND FIGURING OUT WHO IS WHERE AND HER CAN BE.
WHAT, UM, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY ONE OF THOSE THAT WERE OPPOSED TO, UM, UH, RICHARD THE FIRST TIME AROUND, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE CONSIDERING CHANGING OR, OR OPPOSED TO, UM, JOHN RUSSELL THE FIRST TIME AROUND OR GERALD SMITH? YOU KNOW, SO UNLESS WE'RE SEEING SOME SHIFT IN POSITION, IF IT DOESN'T, UH,
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I'LL SAY AGAIN, AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY, SO LET'S BE CLEAR.I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS OPPOSED TO RICHARD.
THERE WERE TWO CANDIDATES IN THE BEGINNING THAT EVERYBODY MIGRATED TO, WHICH JUST LEFT RICHARD OUT AND MADE HIM NEITHER OF THOSE CANDIDATES COULD GET FIVE VOTES.
AND THEN WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED RICHARD.
SO IT ISN'T ABOUT, HE WAS NOBODY LIKED HIM.
PEOPLE JUST MIGRATED THE TWO OTHER CANDIDATES.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE'S NOT QUALIFIED AND THAT HE WOULDN'T BE GOOD.
I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE, I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF US, AT SOME POINT IN OUR CAREERS HAVE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE.
I'VE INTERVIEWED A LOT OF PEOPLE WHOSE RESUMES WERE FANTASTIC AND THEY TURNED OUT TO BE SOME OF THE WORST EMPLOYEES I'VE EVER HAD.
I'VE TAKEN A CHANCE ON PEOPLE AND I'VE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHO SMELL, PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THE TIME OF DAY.
THERE'S BEEN SOME OF MY BEST EMPLOYEES.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THIS COMES DOWN TO DO THEY, DO THEY THEN DO BECAUSE OF THE, WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ESTABLISHED, DO THEY CHECK THE BOXES? ARE THEY QUALIFIED AND THEN MORE OF A GUT INSTINCT THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY WHO YOU THOUGHT THE ABSOLUTE WORLD OF AND THEY TRY AND THEY TURN OUT NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE GOOD TO TELL IF, IF, IF, IF RICHARD WAS ADVANCED IN THIS PROCESS AND HE WAS HIRED AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT IF WE HIRED HIM AND EVERYBODY FOUND OUT, OH MY GOSH, WOW, WHAT A MISTAKE THAT WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN BAKER TILLY'S CONTRACT THAT GOES AWAY AT THAT POINT? OR I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE GUARANTEES WERE.
I KNOW IF, IF THEY HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT IF WE DIDN'T HIRE ONE OF THEIR RECRUITS, THEY BROUGHT FORWARD, THEY'D GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
BUT IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO A T.
TILLY SHE'LL REMAIN ON THE PROJECT UNTIL YOU FIND A CANDIDATE TO HIRE.
IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO MAKE A SELECTION FROM THE INITIAL GROUP OF SEMIFINALISTS OR FINALISTS, BAKER, TILLY WILL WORK TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES FOR YOUR SELECTION.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT GUARANTEE IS THAT WE PROMISE THAT IF THE CANDIDATE YOU SELECTED IS TERMINATED OR RESIGNS WITHIN 12 MONTHS FROM BEING HIRED BAKER, TILLY WILL CONDUCT AN ADDITIONAL SEARCH FOR YOU FOR NO ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL FEE, BUT ONLY FOR PROJECT RELATED EXPENSES.
UM, AND THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO INTERNAL CANDIDATES ON THAT SECOND PART OF THE GUARANTEE.
UM, SO, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS I DON'T THINK ARE GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION AND THE GUARANTEED, RIGHT? BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY POINTS OF IT.
THE REST HAVE TO DO WITH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RECRUIT, UM, ANY CANDIDATE THAT'S SELECTED HERE FOR A POSITION FOR ANOTHER JOB, SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO RELEVANT PARTS OF THE GUARANTEE.
SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T FIND ANYONE IN THE PROCESS THOUGH, CONTINUE THE PROCESS UNTIL YOU DO, OR IF YOU DO HIRE SOMEONE THERE'S A 12 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME AT WHICH THEY'LL OPERATE THE SEARCH, IF THE CANDIDATE IS TERMINATED OR RESIGNED.
SO IT'S JUST MORE INFORMATION UP ANOTHER OPTION THAT IF, IF HE ADVANCED AND HE TURNED OUT TO BE A COMPLETE DUD, UM, WE GOT TOLD MONTHS TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEN START OVER.
WE CAN SIT HERE AND GUESS WHAT VOTES ARE GOING TO BE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY THAT WE WILL ENTERTAIN ABOUT FOR RICHARD SICK.
IF HE IS VOTED DOWN THAT WE'LL PICK ANOTHER CANDIDATE, BUT I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE PUBLIC TO DO SOMETHING BESIDES SIT HERE AND SURMISE ABOUT WHAT THE VOTES MIGHT BE.
AND IF WE CAN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT ON ANY OF THESE FOUR, THEN, THEN WE HAVE TO REBID IT.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET ANOTHER POOL OF CANDIDATES, BUT FOR US TO SIT HERE AND JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND, AND DO, AND GUESS WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE AS TOTALLY NONPRODUCTIVE.
UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN BIRCH.
LET'S PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY.
LET'S HAVE A VOTE AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IF NEED BE, LET'S HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM RIGHT BEHIND IT THAT RESEARCHED THE PROCESS.
AND IF WE DON'T NEED THAT AGENDA ITEM SO BIT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A COMPROMISE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN BERG JUST MADE A LOT OF SENSE, SO I CAN
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GET BEHIND THAT.YOUR MAKE SENSE, NANCY, WE NEED TO GET OFF OUR GUTS, DO SOMETHING.
MAYOR, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UM, TONY CONTACT PATTY AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT OR SOME OTHER, LIKE, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP WITH HER? IF MONDAY DOESN'T COME MONDAY, DOESN'T WORK OUT LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, WALK AND CHEW GUM, LIKE MR. CAMPBELL SAID, YOU GET THAT MONDAY, MONDAY.
I MEAN, SO HE'S, YOU'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I MEAN, UH, IF WE GET TO THE END OF A PROCESS AND NONE OF THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED OR ACCEPTABLE TO COUNSEL, THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO, UH, ENGAGE THEIR SERVICES AND HAVE RUINED RESEARCH.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE, THE NATURE OF THAT.
UM, THERE THERE'S NO COST TO DOING THAT.
HOWEVER, THE ONE PIECE THAT THERE WOULD BE A COST TOO, WOULD BE THE PART OF TRAVEL AND STUFF UP.
WE BROUGHT ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES HERE TO BE INTERVIEWED IN PERSON.
THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE BEYOND WHAT REPAIRING, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY COUNSEL WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, PROVIDE INPUT AND THINGS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGE BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE INITIAL MARY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, FROM COUNCILMAN BERGE AND COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN, UH, WEBS, UM, REQUEST, UH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT MR. ZEKE ON A VOTE ON MONDAY.
UM, IF, AND OR WHEN, UM, THAT VOTE FAILS, WILL THERE BE AN AGENDA ITEM BEHIND THAT, UH, THAT COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON TO AUTHORIZE THE RESTARTING THE PROCESS? SURE.
I MEAN THAT CAN, I MEAN, THAT'S, IF THAT'S A COMPROMISE, I'M ONBOARD WITH THAT.
THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE ADDED AND THEN WE WILL HAVE, UM, IF IT, UH, IF IT PASSES, WE DON'T NEED IT.
IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN IT'S THERE AS A BACKUP TO TALK ABOUT STARTING THE PROCESS OVER, BUT WE HAVE FOUR CANDIDATES.
SO IF MR. ZICK DOESN'T MAKE IT, WE NEED TO VOTE.
I SAY, WE VOTE ON ALL FOUR OF THEM ON MONDAY.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. STOUT, MR. SAM SAYS WITH DURHAM NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED BY HIS CHOICE.
I MEAN, WE CAN CONTINUE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOLKS, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET TO THE END RESULT AS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO VOTE ON IT, WE CAN VOTE ON IT.
OR WE CAN JUST SAY, WE ALL UNDERSTAND AS ADULTS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET TO AND THEN MOVE ON.
BUT YEAH, SINCE THE WORD COMPROMISE HAS BEEN THROWN OUT, I'M NOT SURE.
I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT OPEN-MINDED TO MR. ZICK AT ALL.
YOU, YOU, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT OF THIS DISCUSSION.
LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND THAT YOU JUST, THAT YOU JUST WANT TO START OVER AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE ADULTS HERE HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR AND, AND THAT IS THE DEMOCRACY THAT WE LIVE IN AND MONDAY WE'LL TELL THE TOW.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, TO THAT SITUATION, HAVING MR. ZICK ON THE, ON THE AGENDA WITH THE BACKUP OF STARTING THE PROCESS OF YEP.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE WHO, ANYONE WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. ZICK AT ANY OTHER TIME OR A PHONE CALL OR DISCUSSION OR, YES.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? WE SUBMIT QUESTIONS TO PATTY, TONY G HE SENDS IT ON TO PATTY, MAKE SURE THEIR COMB THROUGH AND THEY'RE ALL FAIR.
ACCORDING TO HR STANDARDS, I THINK AT THIS STAGE, PROBABLY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE EITHER A INTERVIEW OR A PHONE CALL AROUND THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL EXECUTIVE AND DO A FACETIME.
SO I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO BE A MAJORITY OF YOU THAT WOULD WANT TO, THAT WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT OR, UM, OR JUST PUT TO A VOTE THAT, UH, JUST TO COMMENT, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL FOUR, THREE OR WHATEVER CANDIDATES THROWN OUT FOR A VOTE ON MONDAY NIGHT.
I THINK IT'S, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I THINK IT JUST MAKES US LOOK EVEN WORSE IF WE DO THAT EITHER.
I AGREE, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN THIS ONE ONE GIG OR NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE WAY IT TURNS OUT, IT TURNS OUT.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE RIGHT TO TRY TO RUN THROUGH THAT JUST AS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD LOOK.
IF WE TRY TO PULL THAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK WELL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY BY PROCESS HAVE PRETTY WELL ELIMINATED A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES AND ONE HAS WALKED AWAY.
YOU'VE MADE I DON'T, UM, I JUST, FOR TOTAL TRANSPARENCY,
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I MEAN, YEAH.I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN DOING IT AND IT JUST PUTS EVERYBODY'S VOTE ON THE TABLE.
AND OF COURSE THAT MEETING MONDAY REQUIRES A COMMITMENT FROM EVERYONE ON THIS DIOCESE TO BE HERE.
SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ELSE TALKING ABOUT THEIR SUPPORT FOR PUTTING ALL THE CANDIDATES ON NANCY'S RECOMMENDED, PUTTING MR. ZICK ON THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA.
RICHARD HAS AGREED TO THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S A BACKUP PLAN WHERE IF THE VOTES AREN'T THERE, THE PROCESS STARTS OVER.
UH, I'M CERTAINLY AGREEABLE TO THAT.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT PROCESS FOR MONDAY OR, UM, OR IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION OF COUNCIL TO THAT PROCESS? GLEN, COULD I ASK YOU TO REPEAT YOUR POSITION? YOU HAD DISAGREED IN HAVING ALL THE CANDIDATES ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH HAVING ALL OF THEM ON THERE.
WOULD YOU SUGGEST PERSONALLY I'M I'M, I'M STILL, MY MIND IS I'M STILL IN THE CAMP OF RESTARTING THE PROCESS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A CANDIDATE, I THINK MR. ZICK WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PUT THE OTHER ONES OUT THERE JUST, I THINK WOULD BE A BAD LOOK FOR US.
THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION AGAIN, SIR.
IS THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTION OR MAJORITY OBJECTION TO, UM, HAVING MR. ZICK ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY, ALONG WITH A, ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM TO START THE PROCESS OVER, IF THERE ARE NOT FIVE VOTES TO THE POINT NOW, UH, MARK, TO GO BACK TO A POINT THAT YOU MADE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A CONTRACT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SENSE IT MAKES TO HAVE A VOTE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY.
IF WE DON'T KNOW, THEY WOULD AGREE TO, WE DON'T KNOW.
THEY WOULD AGREE TO THE TERMS. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE PERSONALLY MYSELF.
I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE SAID, OKAY, HE GOT FIVE VOTES, WE PASS IT.
AND THEN WE PRESENTED WITH A CONTRACT AND HE SAYS, I'M NOT DOING THAT.
AND I HAVE NO HIDDEN REASON WHY I'M SUGGESTING THAT.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE, WE WERE IN THE ELIMINATING AS AN OPTION MIGHT NOT EVEN GET TO THAT POINT.
SO I WOULD, AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S 7 44, UH, OUT AND EVERYTHING IN A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND A CONTRACT.
SO WE WOULD KNOW IF, IF HE DOES HAVE FIVE VOTES, IS HE WILLING TO WORK FOR THE CONTRACT? WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OFFERING HIM BECAUSE IF HE'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE EITHER.
THEN WE JUST GO RIGHT TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF STARTING BEFORE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE END.
WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL CONTRACT, THE APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND? OKAY.
ANY DISCUSSION GLENN? I THINK WE, WE HAVE IN A PAST PACKET, A RESOLUTION WITH A CONTRACT IN IT, WOULD THAT NOT BE A FAIR OFFER TO PUT OUT? AND THAT WAS PARDON? MR. OTTO HAS SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME ON IT? I WOULDN'T WANT, IT WAS SURE ABOUT THE OFFER STILL THE OFFER OF THE JOB POSITION AND THE, AND THE PAY AND ALL THAT.
WOULD THAT BE A STARTING POINT? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A NEGOTIATION ANYWAY, CORRECT? OR DID WE GET A ONE-SHOT OFFER? AND THEN IF HE SAYS, NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE.
OH, I THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S A ONE-SHOT.
I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY A COUPLE, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF ITEMS. I MEAN, UM, THERE WERE CONCESSIONS MADE ON THAT INITIAL CONTRACT BASED ON EDUCATION.
THERE WERE, UM, KNOW, I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL IS, UM, WELL, I MEAN, THOSE WERE DISCUSSIONS EXECUTIVE SESSION BEYOND THAT.
SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA TO DIVULGE THAT, BUT I THINK, UM, CERTAINLY I THINK LEARNING, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S REALLY A COMMON CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THE BACK SIDE STUFF FOR THAT CONTRACT TO FIND OUT IF THAT MAKES, IF THAT MAKES, SINCE IN MY MIND, IT SEEMS THE, THE VOTE TO SELECT IS MORE A VOTE TO DECIDE WHO WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO BE OUR CITY MANAGER.
AND I MAY BE INCORRECT IN THAT.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOCKDOWN CONTRACT NEGOTIATED AND AGREED UPON PRIOR TO US VOTING FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL?
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I MEAN, IF I'M OFF, I'M OFF, UH, BUT I THINK THERE ARE ANY, BUT EVEN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND YOU KNOW, THE FIRST CANDIDATE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE VOTES, WE STILL SPENT TIME NEGOTIATING, I MEAN, AN HOUR AND A HALF, WHENEVER WE'RE NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT THAT THERE WASN'T PAST.SO, UM, AT LEAST HAVING A 15 MINUTE DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE TO START, BECAUSE EDUCATION IS DIFFERENT HERE.
QUALIFICATION EXPERIENCE IS DIFFERENT HERE.
I THINK THAT AT LEAST WARRANTS A DISCUSSION, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK THERE FOR AN HOUR.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE DO WE START? WE HAVE TO AGREE ON THAT OR, OR ANOTHER, THAT MAKES SENSE.
ALSO THE RELOCATION PACKAGES AND THEN THERE FOR HIM.
IT WOULD GIVE ME SOMETHING TO TAKE TO BAKER, TILLY, AND THEN THEM TO APPROACH HIM, TO SEE IF THIS WAS EVEN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO DETERMINE IF HE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER CONTINUING IN THIS PROCESS.
CAUSE WE, WE, WE CAN DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY AND WE MIGHT FIND OUT MONDAY.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S WILLING TO TAKE.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE, WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION, DON.
UH, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN AUTO, WE HAVE A GOOD START.
IT'S NOT WHERE WE WERE THE, UH, THE LAST TIME IN THE WORLD NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO REFRESH MY MEMORY.
AND THEN COUNCILMAN BACKWARD WAS BROUGHT UP, LIKE THE RELOCATION PACKAGE WAS NOT IN THAT LAST AGREEMENT.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DISCUSSION TAKE PLACE.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE SHORTER THIS TIME.
UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION ON THE SECOND, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ANY OF THE DISCUSSION, TONY, IF HE CALLED REAL PLEASE.
WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL SHE COMES BACK.
WE'VE CALLED THE BOAT ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION MOTION.
AND WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND, UH, WITH NO OBJECTION, THERE WILL BE A RESOLUTION, I GUESS, ON THE, UH, AGENDA FOR MONDAY, UH, TO APPOINT MR. RICHARD ZICK, UH, CITY MANAGER, IF HE RIGHTS.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT IS EIGHT 14, AND THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.