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[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]
TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, REGULAR SESSION MAY 23RD, 2022.WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 6:00 PM.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER AND ITEM.
NUMBER TWO IS OUR INVOCATION BY PASTOR RANDY GRIFFITH OF THE FREE METHODIST CHURCH AT 68, 75 OLD TROY PIKE HERE IN HEBREW.
AND THE BOOK OF HEBREWS, IT SAYS OUR FATHERS DISCIPLINED US FOR A LITTLE WHILE AS THEY THOUGHT BEST, BUT GOD DISCIPLINES US FOR OUR GOOD THAT WE MAY SHARE IN HIS HOLINESS.
I CAN RECALL TIMES OF DISCIPLINING BY MY FATHER.
SOME OF THEM AS HE THOUGHT WERE BEST AND PROPER AND PROBABLY WERE OTHERS BECAUSE HE JUST LOST HIS TEMPER.
HE MAY BE ANGERED AND DISCIPLINE US IN WAYS THAT SEEM EXTREME TO US.
BUT HIS PURPOSE FOR US IS NEVER OUT OF VIEW.
HE WANTS US TO SHARE IN HIS HOLINESS, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO SHARE IN HIS HOLINESS? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS WORLD OFFERS THAT COMPARE THAT CAN COMPARE TO IT? I DON'T THINK SO.
AND THEN WE CANNOT COMPREHEND IT COMPLETELY.
ARE WE WILLING TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER IT WILL TAKE? DO WE ONLY HAVE THIS LIFE INTERVIEW OR DO WE HAVE ETERNITY IN VIEW AS WELL? JESUS SAID MY FATHER CUTS OFF EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT BEARS NO FRUIT WHILE EVERY BRANCH THAT DOES BEAR FRUIT, HE PRUNES SO THAT IT WILL BECOME MORE FRUITFUL.
THERE IS THE DISCIPLINE OF CUTTING OFF THAT, WHICH IS DEAD OR DISEASED THAT CANNOT BEAR FRUIT AND CAN HARM OR KILL THE PLANT IF IT IS NOT REMOVED.
AND THERE IS THE DISCIPLINE OF CUTTING OFF THAT, WHICH IS MERELY UNPRODUCTIVE SO THAT THE PLANT CAN BE MORE FRUITFUL.
THE DIFFERENCE IN CUTTING OFF AND PRUNING IS GOD'S PURPOSE, CUTTING OFFICE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DESTROYING THAT, WHICH IS HARMFUL PRUNING US FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING UP THAT, WHICH IS LIVING AND GOOD.
THE WRITER OF HEBREWS SAYS, NO DISCIPLINE SEEMS PLEASANT AT THE TIME, BUT PAINFUL LATER ON, HOWEVER, IT PRODUCES A HARVEST OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PEACE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY IT.
WE USED TO TELL OUR KIDS IN SO MANY WORDS, IF WE DIDN'T DISCIPLINE YOU, IF WE JUST LET YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO NEVER PUNISHED YOU FOR DOING WRONG, THAT WOULD ONLY SHOW THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY LOVE YOU OR CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU BECOME.
WE DID THIS AS WE THOUGHT BEST SEEKING THE LORD MOST OF THE TIME, BUT WE WERE NOT PERFECT.
WE DID NOT HANDLE THINGS RIGHT SOMETIMES, BUT GOD IS PERFECT.
HE ALWAYS SEES WHAT HE WANTS US TO BE SO THAT WE MAY SHARE IN HIS HOLINESS.
SO REMEMBER, IF THE DIFFICULTY YOU'RE EXPERIENCING AS GOD CUTTING OFF SINFUL OR FOOLISH BEHAVIORS, LET HIM CUT THEM OFF.
IF THE TRIAL IS HIS PRUNING, THEN BE TRAINED BY IT BECAUSE IT IS PRODUCING A HARVEST OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND PEACE THAT WILL SHOW UP LATER ON LET'S PRAY, FATHER, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BRING US IN THIS PLACE, IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN THIS COUNTRY TO BE A NATION THAT'S PLEASING TO YOU, THAT DEMONSTRATES YOUR QUALITIES THAT HAS YOUR QUALITIES.
WE ASKING YOU TO GUIDE THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
AND ACTUALLY HAVE THE FLAG CEREMONY FROM THE WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR ROTC HONOR GUARD.
HARSH COLORS, HARSH, BRIEF THAT COLORS.
SHE WAS APPLIED
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COLORS, ARCH, UH, MR. SHAW, MS. BAKER HERE.[6. Approval Of Minutes]
SIX APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM SIX, A OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY THE NINTH, 2022.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED FOR ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS.
AND ONE ITEM OF CLARITY WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF BEFORE WE GET INTO KIND OF THE MEAT OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UM, IT WAS REGARDING SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE HAD COUNSEL, WHERE MR. LYONS HAD GOT UP IN A PROTEST VOTE.
AND, UM, SO I HAD, UH, I WASN'T SURE HOW THAT WAS, HOW THAT PLAYED OUT WITH WHAT, UH, WHAT OUR CHARTER IS, WHAT COMMON LAW IS IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
SO I HAD ASKED, UM, LAW DIRECTOR, MR. MCDONALD, IF HE WOULD DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AND WHAT IF ANY EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON ANY LEGISLATION, UM, WHERE THAT PARTICULAR EVENT HAPPENED FOR MR. LYONS? SO, UH, MR. MCDONALD HAS HAD RESPONDED TO ME, UH, LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND I'VE ASKED HIM TO READ THAT OPINION THAT HE HAS COME TO.
UH, KAREN, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A COPY, I HAVE COPIES FOR OF JERRY'S OPINION FOR EVERYONE AND MR. MARY, YOU WANTED ME TO READ IT? I'M SORRY.
YES, I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU'D READ THE OPINION, BUT WAIT, TILL WE HAVE, EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT.
SO JERRY, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD READ YOUR OPINION, PLEASE.
THIS WAS A ADDRESSED TO YOU, MR. MAYOR, YOU ASKED UNDER OHIO LAW, WHAT EFFECTIVE ANY WAS ED LION'S REFUSAL TO VOTE ON THE CAMPBELL BERLIN MATTER, NOTHING IN THE CHARTER AND NO RULE OF COUNCIL GIVES COUNCIL MEMBERS THE POWER TO AVOID, AVOID VOTING EXCLUSIVELY TO AVOID A TIGHT SITUATION.
THE ONLY AUTHORITY FOR A NON VOTE IS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, RULES OF COUNCIL, SECTION 12, WHICH SPECIFIES THAT MEMBERS SHALL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THE FORMAL DISCUSSION OF ANY MOTION OR ISSUE WHERE IN THE MEMBER MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST MEMBERS.
HAVING CONFLICTS ARE EXPECTED TO NOTIFY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CONFLICT.
AS SOON AS SUCH CONFLICT BECOMES EVIDENT.
AND THAT WAS STANDING, HUBER HEIGHTS IS SENT TO NON-VOTERS IN THE PAST.
IN OTHER SITUATIONS, THE LAW IN OHIO IS CLEAR.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS PRESENT AND WHO REFUSES TO VOTE IS DEEMED TO HAVE ACQUIESCED TO THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS THAT DO VOTE.
THE OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS HELD WITH RESPECT TO A CITY COUNCIL THAT WHEN ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, THOSE WHO REFUSE TO VOTE IN AN ELECTION ARE DEEMED TO HACK TO HAVE ACQUIESCED IN THE CHOICE OF THOSE WHO DO FLOAT.
THAT IS FROM STATE X, RALPH SHIN NICHE VERSUS GREEN 37 OHIO STATE TO 227.
THE EFFECT OF THIS RULING IS THAT MEMBERS CAN NOT BY REFUSING TO VOTE TO THE ELECTION OR DIVEST THE POWER OF THE I'M SORRY, OR TO VEST THE BODY WITH THE POWER TO ELECT IN BAY BACK VERSUS ALL 10 BUILDING INSPECTOR 1 0 6 OHIO APP 1 91.
IT WAS DETERMINED THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY DID NOT VOTE THUS PREVENTING THE MAYOR TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BREAK A TIE.
IN THAT CASE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WAS PRESENT AT THE MEETING AND HIS PRESENCE WAS RECORDED BY A STATEMENT IN THE MINUTES THAT HE WAS NOT VOTING.
THE COURT NOTED THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS, IS ELECTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXPRESSING AN OPINION QUOTE, ACTION AND NOT INACTION IS THE DUTY THAT HE ASSUMES WITH THE OFFICE.
THE COURT HELD CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR COURTS, THE FOLLOWING.
AND I QUOTE, WE THEREFORE CONCLUDE THAT THE RULE KNOWN AS THE COMMON LAW RULE IS THE PROPER AND EFFICIENT RULE TO ADOPT IN ORDER THAT IMMUNITY IN ORDER THAT MUNICIPAL BUSINESS SHALL BE CONDUCTED WITH THE PROPER REGARD TO THE WISHES OF ITS CITIZENS.
THIS COMMON LAW RULE MAY BE STATED TO BE THE LEGAL EFFECT OF REFUSING TO VOTE IS AN ACQUIESCE IN THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO DO VOTE AND QUOTE, MR. LYONS WAS CLEARLY PRESENT AT THE MEETING
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BEING SEATED WHEN HIS NAME WAS CALLED FOR THE VOTE.HE GOT UP AND REFUSED TO VOTE UNDER THE OHIO COMMON LAW.
HIS REFUSAL, IN MY OPINION, CAN BE COUNTED AS AN ACQUIESCENCE IN THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO DO FOLK AS A RESULT.
I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE TO PROVE THE CAMPBELL BERLIN BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CAN BE DEEMED TO HAVE PASSED FIVE TO THREE.
I APPRECIATE THE COMPLETENESS OF YOUR OPINION AND FIND IT IN THE ACTUAL CASE LAW THERE.
SO BRIAN, WHAT WOULD OUR, WHAT WOULD OUR NEXT STEPS BE WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO CHANGE THE RECORD? WHERE DO, WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US NAME? UM, I WOULD, UH, DEFER TO THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE WITH RESPECT TO NEXT STEPS TO VALIDATE THE LEGISLATION, UH, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENTERTAINED BY COUNCIL WITH RISK, WITH REGARD TO ITS VALIDITY.
BUT THEN THE NEXT STEP IN THIS INSTANCE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS OF MANAGING THAT SITE PLAN, UH, OR THAT APPLICATION, EXCUSE ME, IS THAT ONCE THAT VOTE IS CERTIFIED AS ACCURATE AND CORRECT, WE WOULD CONTACT THE APPLICANT AND HAVE THEM MAKE APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IN THAT INSTANCE, PURSUANT TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAD HAD IN THE COMMITMENT THEY HAD MADE THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY WERE SEEKING APPROVAL ON.
SO JERRY, WHAT WOULD OUR NEXT STEPS BE FOR THE RECORD, FROM THE LEGISLATION, UH, PERSPECTIVE? I'M SORRY.
UH, ASSUMING YOU ACCEPT MY OPINION.
IT WOULD BE FOR YOU TO SIGN THE LEGISLATION TO PASS IT AS FIVE THREE, AND THEN IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IN 30 DAYS.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSS GLENN? UM, JERRY, I WOULD ASK, IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE? THIS IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT IT.
I KNOW IN TWO OTHER OCCASIONS, A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS LEFT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES I WASN'T HERE FOR ONE OF THEM.
AND THE OTHER ONE HAPPENED SO MANY YEARS AGO.
AND SO I DID NOT LOOK AT THAT.
I ONLY LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
WELL, IF YOU'RE STATING THIS AS FACT, THEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK IN TIME AND TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST? AND ANY TIME ANYWAYS, GOT UP AND WALKED OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THAT RESULT.
I ONLY MADE THE OPINION AS TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLIES TO THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE.
YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT AND YOU HAVE TO REFUSE TO VOTE.
AND IN MY OPINION, BOTH OF THOSE HAPPENED AGAIN, THAT THAT EXACT EXAMPLE HAS OCCURRED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
WE I'LL BE GLAD TO LOOK AT THOSE IF WE NEED TO.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO STAND ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA STAND ON ALL OF THEM THEN AREN'T WE? OKAY.
THANK YOU, MAYOR JERRY, UM, IN YOUR OPINION, WHICH YOU'RE THE LAW DIRECTOR, YOUR OPINION MATTERS AND THAT'S THE LAW UNTIL IT'S CHALLENGED IN THE COURT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND IN YOUR OPINION, UH, AND THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT.
SO OBVIOUSLY I WAS NOT TOLD PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS, UM, YOU HAVE SOME CITATIONS HERE FROM SOME PREVIOUS DECISIONS, WHICH CERTAINLY LEADS CREDENCE TO THE READING AS I'M DIGESTING IT, BUT SOMETHING, UM, REALLY STANDS OUT.
UM, THE PREVIOUS COURT DECISIONS WERE WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD REFUSED TO VOTE.
AND YOU STATE THAT I REFUSED IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD YOU HAVE AN OPINION THAT I REFUSE TO VOTE? YES.
YOU SAID THERE WAS A PROTEST, IT WAS A PROTEST.
AND I DID SAY THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT I LEFT THE ROOM.
SO ONCE THE COUNCIL MEMBER LEAVES THE ROOM, IT'S NOT A REFUSAL TO VOTE.
THEY HAVE LEFT THE MEETING, THEREFORE BY LAW, THEY CANNOT VOTE, VOTE AN ABSENT ABSENTEE, THEY CAN'T ABSTENTIA.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, I THINK JUST IN THE CURSORY READ, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, WHAT I THINK THE LITIGATION IS GOING TO COME FROM THE OAKS ON THIS ISSUE, AS I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, EXPECTING.
AND I WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE OAKS FOR THAT FAVORABLY BECAUSE WHERE I RESPECT YOU AND YOUR OPINION, UH, WHEN I STOOD UP PROTESTED AND LEFT THE MEETING, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN REFUSING TO VOTE WHILE YOU'RE IN THE MEETING BY, UM, YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION.
AND THAT IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO STAND UNTIL IT'S CHALLENGED IN COURT.
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YES, SIR.UM, IN LIGHT OF YOUR OPINION OF, UM, FROM THE, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING ON MAY 9TH, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE OAKS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED BECAUSE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, UM, CAN YOU ADVISE, UH, WHAT IS THE START AND END DATE, UH, THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE OAKS COULD, UH, GO THROUGH AND, UH, AND PUSH THIS BOOK TO A BALLOT MEASURE BY CONTESTING? UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNDER A REFERENDUM.
I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, IF IT IS THE DATE THAT THE VOTE OCCURRED OR THE DATE THAT THE MAYOR SIGNED IT, BECAUSE THIS IS RATHER UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES HAS BEEN SIGNED ALREADY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT COULD BE 30 DAYS FROM WHEN HE SIGNS IT.
I WOULD SAY THE SAFEST BET WOULD BE 30 DAYS FROM WHEN IT WAS PASSED, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED AND MAY BE CHALLENGED IF IT WAS TWO WEEKS LATER.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SO, SO IN YOUR OPINION, IS THE ORDINANCE CONSIDERED PAST AS THE, THIS MEETING AS OF THE NINTH? OR IS IT STILL NOT TECHNICALLY PAST? NO, I THINK THE ORDINANCE HAS RECEIVED FIVE, THREE VOTES ON THE NIGHT ON THE NINTH BASED ON THIS OPINION.
UM, BUT THE MAYOR HAS NOT SIGNED THE ORDINANCE YET.
AND SO TO, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I'M SAYING IN TERMS OF A REFERENDUM, IF THAT'S WHEN THE MAYOR SIGNS IT OR WHEN IT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE WHEN IT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL.
SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE MAY 9TH.
SO I, I ALSO UNDERSTAND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND, UH, OHIO LAW, THAT IF A PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS NOT SIGNED WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, IT, UH, IT IS NOLAN VOID.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE IN OUR SITUATION.
I DO BELIEVE OUR CHARTER SPEAKS TO THAT.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AN OPINION ON THAT AS WELL AS AN OPINION ON THE REFERENDUM TIME.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY TO MAYBE A FEW MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, BUT, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE OAKS WHO MAY WISH TO, UM, PUT A HALT ON THIS.
SO THEY KNOW WHAT TIME PERIOD IS IN ORDER TO GET TO THIS, TO THE BALLOT MEASURE.
AND IF MY TIME WORKS CORRECTLY, UM, UH, VERY WELL COULDN'T MAKE THE BALLOT FOR THIS NOVEMBER.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION, UH, IN MY OPINION, UH, PRETTY QUICK, I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THAT, I THINK THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, DATES AND INFORMATION TO HAVE NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT THIS COUNCIL AS WELL, WHICH I WOULD HAVE ASSUMED WOULD HAVE COME ALONG WITH THIS, IN MY OPINION, A ONE-SIDED OPINION, UM, THAT, UH, I WAS UNAWARE THAT RESEARCH, UM, WAS BEING DONE ON.
UM, SO, UH, SO YEAH, IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT.
AND FOR THE RECORD, I GOT THE SIGN FRIDAY AND TURNED THE OPINION IN ON MONDAY.
SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEEN IN THE MAKING FOR AWHILE.
AND HONESTLY, I WAS SURPRISED BY THE OUTCOME.
SO THIS WASN'T SOMETHING, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS A CASE THAT WAS SO ON POINT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I, UH, I'M QUITE SURPRISED AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS ACTION HAS TAKEN PLACE MULTIPLE TIMES AND THIS AND THIS COUNCIL ROOM, UM, OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UM, AND HAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
AND, UM, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT A LAW PROFESSOR BY ANY STRETCH, BUT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ISSUED THE ONLY OPINION THAT I'VE EVER HEARD OF ON THIS MATTER THAT I'VE PERSONALLY REVIEWED WHEN THIS OCCURRED MULTIPLE YEARS AGO UNDER A PREVIOUS MAYOR.
SO, UH, BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD, MR. MCDONALD.
NEXT UP IS I REMEMBER SEVEN, WHICH HAS SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS ANNOUNCEMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY, THERE ARE NO, THIS EVENING MAYOR AND NEXT
[8. Citizens Comments]
WEEK, I DON'T REMEMBER EIGHT OR CITIZENS COMMENTS.WE HAVE FOUR CITIZENS COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
FIRST STOP IS JAY DIETER FROM HEBREW HIGHEST AMATEUR RADIO CLUB.
WELL, I'M JANIE DIETER AT, UH, 8, 8, 7 OH DAVID GATE DRIVE.
UM, AND MEMBERS OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL, OTHER CITY OFFICIALS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT AS A MEMBER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS, AMATEUR RADIO CLUB, I WISH TO CORDIALLY INVITE YOU AND CITY OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE FROM THE GENERAL COMMUNITY TO MEET WITH AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS FROM THE HUBER HEIGHTS AMATEUR RADIO CLUB, UH, AT COTTONWOOD PARK ON FITCHBURG ON JUNE 25TH, BETWEEN TWO AND 10:00 PM FOR OUR ANNUAL FIELD DAY EVENT.
THIS IS A NATIONAL FIELD DAY FOR AMATEUR RADIO ENTHUSIASTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY RADIO OPERATORS OR HAMS AS WE'RE AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN WILL BE SETTING UP PORTABLE RADIO EQUIPMENT IN UNUSUAL LOCATIONS, SUCH AS THE PARK AND MAKING CONTACT WITH OTHER RADIO ENTHUSIASTS TO PRACTICE OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SKILLS.
HAMS PROVIDE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS FOR MANY GOVERNMENT AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS AND DISASTERS.
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IN PAST YEARS, HAM RADIO OPERATORS NATIONALLY HAVE MADE HEADLINES WITH THEIR WORK IN WILDFIRES, FLOODS, STORMS, TORNADOES, AND OTHER CRISES.WE PROVIDE SUPPLEMENTAL COMMUNICATIONS WHEN NORMAL SYSTEMS ARE RENDERED INOPERABLE OR OVERLOADED.
SO WE INVITE YOU TO COME OUT TO COTTONWOOD PARK ON A SATURDAY, JUNE 25TH, AND CHECK US OUT.
SEE THE KIND OF EQUIPMENT WE USE IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO CORDIALLY INVITED.
YOU CAN EVEN GET ON THE AIR AND CONTACT RADIO OPERATOR IN ANOTHER COUNTY OR STATE.
WE WILL HAVE OTHER HANDS-ON RADIO ACTIVITIES THAT ANYONE CAN ENJOY.
SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HIM AND RADIO WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE EVENT.
AND IT'S ALSO A VALIDATION TO THE HUNDREDS OF AMATEUR RADIO VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE SPENT MANY HOURS PROVIDING EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, PUBLIC SERVICE WORK, AND OTHER BENEFITS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND REGION.
AGAIN, THAT'S SATURDAY, JUNE 25TH FROM TWO TO 10:00 PM AT COTTONWOOD PARK.
THANK YOU AND HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
NEXT UP WE HAVE KEVIN AND BROCO FROM HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS.
UH, MY NAME IS KEVIN BROCOM HERE ON BEHALF OF HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE CITY, FOR THE PROPERTY ON AN EXECUTIVE DRIVE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, AFTER WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR OVER A YEAR OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, RECEIVED AN ABRUPT, UH, ZERO TO EIGHT VOTE ON MAY 9TH, DESPITE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION STATEMENT OF SATISFACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FORWARD, UH, COUNCIL'S ACTION OCCURRED WITHOUT DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL OR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OF COUNCIL.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A CHANGE OF COURSE, FROM THE LAST 14 MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT REALLY INTIMATELY WITH CITY STAFF TO ADDRESS SO MANY CONCERNS AND HURDLES TO, TO REALLY COME TO A GREAT COMPROMISE ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GREAT PROJECT AND TO BE SO, UH, DISMISSED SO ABRUPTLY WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION OR CONVERSATION OR CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY CONCERNS THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE, THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE, OR EVEN GOALS FOR THE PROJECT, UH, SEEMED UNFAIR WITH US.
AND NOW NOT IN SPIRIT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AFTER WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR SO LONG.
UM, PROBABLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A, UH, OR THAT WE'VE HEARD A, ANY LEGITIMATE REASON OR EXPLANATION AS TO WHY, UH, THE VOTE WENT THE WAY IT DID OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH DELIVER 110 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS WITHIN 20 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW RETAIL RESTAURANT COMMERCIAL SPACE ON 10 ACRES OUT OF THE 40 ACRES, 197 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, PROVIDING CRITICAL MASS TO HELP SUPPORT RETAIN THOSE NEW COMMERCIAL USES.
AND IN SOME OVER A $40 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, WE PRESENTED ON APRIL 25TH AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, WHICH DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PROJECT WILL CREATE $377,000 AND REVENUE FROM THE CITY FROM TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION JOBS, 190, $2,000 OF RECURRING TAX REVENUE.
THE CITY DURING THE 15 YEAR PERIOD OF ABATEMENT, $275,000 OF REOCCURRING TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY AFTER THE, OF ABATEMENT AND MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, $245,000 AND AN REOCCURRING TAX REVENUE TO CITY HEBREW HEIGHTS, CITY SCHOOLS DURING THE ENTIRE PERIOD AND SOUL TONGUE IN SOME OVER A 30 YEAR PERIOD, OVER $23 MILLION IN NEW REVENUE TO THE CITY OF HUBRIS HEIGHTS.
UH, THIS HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED IN THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT DISCUSSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE AS A DEVELOPMENT TEAM FEEL A LITTLE DISMAYED BY IN TERMS OF THE EVALUATION OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE TO TELEPHONE MESSAGES AND FOLLOW UP EMAILS THAT WERE SENT TO THE CITY, UH, REQUIRING FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE MATTER TO BE DISCOVERED.
IT'S PRETTY HARSH TREATMENT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON A PROJECT FOR 14 MONTHS IN YOUR CITY, UH, TRYING TO REALLY COME UP WITH A GREAT PROJECT THAT MEETS EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS.
AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A DIVERSE COUNCIL WITH DIFFERENT, WITH DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, REALLY ARE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS, AND WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, UH, BE MADE TONIGHT, UH, TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE PROJECT EXTEND, UH, AND THE OUTSIDE CLOSING DATE IN OUR
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AGREEMENT, WHICH IS, UH, UH, UH, COMING UP ON JUNE 28TH, UH, TO GIVE US TIME TO LEARN WHAT REMAINING CONCERNS THERE ARE, WHAT REMAINING GOALS THERE ARE, AND TRY TO WORK AS WE HAVE FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR PLUS TO MEET THOSE CONCERNS AND NEEDS.UM, SO THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF OUR ASS.
TONIGHT IS THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AFTER THE VOTE LAST WEEK, WE LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE'RE PRETTY EXPERIENCED GROUP.
I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD VOUCH FOR US THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS AND IDEAS THAT HAVE COME UP AND REALLY TRIED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO PUT THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THAT RELATIONSHIP AND SEE IF WE CAN'T FIGURE SOME THINGS OUT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE ESTABLISHED A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STAFF, WE TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES.
UH, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES INTO THE DEAL AS WELL.
AND, UM, IN FACT, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, RE SUBDIVISION PLAT WAS RECORDED ON DECEMBER 17TH OF LAST YEAR, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'VE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS WHOLE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN PROBLEM-SOLVING WORKING TOGETHER AND HAVE A GREAT PROJECT THAT'S ON ITS WAY.
UH, AND THEN REALLY THIS LEFT TURN REALLY HIT US OUT OF NOWHERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST THE IDEA THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, HAVEN'T REALLY RECEIVED A RESPONSE OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO YOU ABOUT WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE, BUT WE WANTED TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER THE COURSE OF OUR PROJECT, FROM WHERE WE STARTED.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE STARTED WITH 232 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND WE KNOW THERE'S SOME ON COUNCIL THAT WANT HIGHER DENSITY AND SOME ON COUNCIL THAT WANT LESS DENSITY.
SO WE REDUCED OUR DENSITY DOWN BY MORE THAN 10% TO 197 UNITS.
WE ALSO INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF OUR PROJECT ALL ALONG EXECUTIVE DRIVE TO CREATE FIVE OUT PARCELS FOR DEVELOPMENT, WITH RETAIL RESTAURANT, UM, AND, AND, UM, UH, UH, SERVICE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT COMMERCIAL SPACES.
THE MARKET VALUATION OF OUR PROJECT HAS INCREASED BY AT LEAST 10% FROM THE TAXABLE VALUE.
OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CALLED FOR $30 MILLION PROJECT.
OUR HARD COSTS ALONE ARE $41 MILLION, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A TAXABLE VALUATION, PROBABLY IN THE $33 MILLION RANGE.
AT LEAST WE WENT FROM 200 OR 100 TEMPORARY JOBS FROM CONSTRUCTION TO 300 TEMPORARY JOBS.
WE WENT FROM FIVE PERMANENT JOBS TO 110 PERMANENT JOBS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED FOR, WE ASKED, WE HAD A $400,000 CASH REIMBURSEMENT IN THE CITY TO REIMBURSE US FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION OF OFFSITE RETENTION THAT WOULD SERVE PARCELS.
WE SUBMITTED AN AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON MAY 2ND, UH, TO THE STAFF THAT DELETED THAT REQUIREMENT.
SO WE WERE GOING TO TAKE ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT AND PAY FOR IT OUT OF THE VALUE CREATION THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN IN LIEU OF THE INCREASE IN JOBS AND TAKING ON THE RETENTION POND OURSELVES, WE ASKED FROM GO FROM 50% OF BATEMAN TO 60% OF BAY.
BUT THE VALUE OF THAT FOR OUR CALCULATIONS ON THE TAX IS $5,000 TO THE CITY.
WE'RE JUST THE JOBS ALONE ARE $65,000 OF VALUE THAT YOU'RE GETTING BACK IN RETURN.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'VE ASKED THIS MOTION OF RECONSIDER EXTEND OUR OUTSIDE CLOSING DATE, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A FEW WEEKS HERE LEFT, AND THAT'S NOT BEEN THE SPIRIT OF OUR RELATIONSHIP OVER THESE 14 MONTHS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET BACK TO.
UM, WE CERTAINLY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, DENYING THIS APPROVAL AND THEN GOING THROUGH IT WITHOUT EXPLANATION, IT REALLY IS NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE BASIS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THAT KIND OF A BATTLE.
WE WANT TO BE WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST 14 MONTHS, RIGHT.
IT WAS WHERE WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
YOU SAY, HEY, CAN YOU TWEAK THIS? OR CAN YOU CHANGE THIS OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THIS? AND THEN WE RESPOND BACK WITH, YES, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED THE RETENTION POND TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE DRIVE BECAUSE THERE'S A TRIANGULAR PIECE THERE THAT CAN'T BE VERTICALLY BUILT ON AT SOME POINT.
AND WE DID THAT TO FREE UP COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE DRIVE.
WE CAME UP WITH AN ATTITUDE OF THREE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OUR PROJECT, RIGHT.
AND IT'S STILL WILL SERVE THE, A PARCEL ON BRANT ROAD AND PROVIDE THEM WITH NECESSARY RETENTION TO DO THEIR DEVELOPMENT, A PARCEL THAT WE DON'T EVEN OWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THAT, UM, THAT'S THAT, THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE ENJOYED WITH THE CITY, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH CALLS FOR GOOD FAITH CALLS FOR COOPERATION FROM BOTH SIDES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE HELD UP OUR END HERE AND TO BE ABRUPTLY, YOU KNOW, DISMISSED, UH, AFTER WORKING ON THIS FOR SO LONG, JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO US.
AND IT CERTAINLY, AS ISN'T BEEN INDICATIVE OF THE RELATIONSHIP WE'VE ESTABLISHED, UH, WITH YOUR STAFF OVER THE
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LAST 14 MONTHS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT, UH, WITH THE 10% INCREASE IN MARKET VALUATION, THE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN FULL-TIME JOBS, YOU KNOW, 20, 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, COMMERCIAL SPACE, 10% RESIDENT RE REDUCTION IN RESIDENTIAL USE, YOU KNOW, THE OFFSITE RETENTION FOR THE BRANT ROAD PARCEL.WE HOPE THAT THESE THINGS ARE MOTIVATORS TO SHOW THAT WE'RE A GOOD PARTNER FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? W WE'RE NOT, WE DIDN'T COME IN AND TELL, YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND HIS STAFF IT'S OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.
HE THREW AT US, EVEN FOR BRANT ROAD PARCEL.
WE DID LAYOUTS FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET WITH OUR OWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF, TO HELP THEM SEE HOW THEY COULD SET UP THEIR PARCEL TO MAKE IT WORK THE BEST AND HAVE THE BEST DEAL.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BRIAN WHERE I'VE TOLD THEM LIKE, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE LOOK AT IT, BUT I KNOW THE CITY IS TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY.
AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE MY PARTNERS HAVE.
AND WE ALWAYS KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT THIS LAST 14 MONTHS HAS BEEN LIKE UP UNTIL TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S A FAIR WAY TO TREAT SOMEONE.
WHO'S LOOKING TO MAKE A MAJOR INVESTMENT.
THAT'S NO SECRET, IT'S A GREAT TOWN.
UM, WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE TABLE TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS.
SO OUR ASK TONIGHT IS THAT YOU, SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER EXTEND OUR OUTSIDE CLOSING DATE TILL OCTOBER 31ST, GIVE US SOME TIME TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, WHAT THE GOALS ARE AND SEE IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET THIS PROJECT BACK ON TRACK.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND CONSIDERATION.
AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR ANY MORE INFORMATION WE CAN PROVIDE.
SO, UM, APPRECIATE BEING, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, THIS WAS A, UH, BASICALLY A ZERO TO EIGHT VOTE.
UH, ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WHO VOTED NO, COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I WOULD ALSO OPEN THIS BACK UP TO ANY COMMENTS.
UM, IF ANY PERSON ON COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ANY DETAILS OR TALK ABOUT WHY, UM, WHY THEY LIVE TO KNOW, THEN YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO DO THAT, UH, AS WELL.
UH, FIRST I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, UH, FOR OUR LAW DIRECTOR, MR. MACDONALD, UH, F A S F A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, TO RECONSIDER, UH, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MOTION CAN BE MADE AT ANY TIME AS IT IS THE LAST, UM, OR THAT IS THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING FROM THE VOTE THAT TOOK PLACE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT VOTE WOULD THEN COME BACK UP, UH, ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT, UM, FOR A STRAIGHT LINE VOTE, UM, NOT A VOTE TO CONTINUE AN AGREEMENT.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? UM, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
TODAY WOULD BE THE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
SO I WOULDN'T BE TODAY, OR THERE WOULD BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SECONDED AND THERE WOULD BE BE FIVE VOTES TO GET, TO APPROVE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
THEN THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A SECOND VOTE ON THE, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, WHICH WAS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I THINK IT WAS FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND EXTENDING THE TIME THAT WOULDN'T BE BEFORE COUNCIL.
CAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN STUFF.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, MERIT, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR OUR CITY MANAGER FUND ME.
SINCE THE MAY 9TH, UM, COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN THIS COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO, UM, VOTE DOWN THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY INFORMATION THAT'S RECEIVED BY YOUR OFFICE THAT HAS NOT BEEN PASSED ALONG TO COUNCIL ABOUT THIS PROJECT? THERE ISN'T ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNSEL? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND AS MY REQUEST THIS EVENING, UM, AS, UH, KEVIN HAS APPROACHED COUNCIL AND, UM, AND I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS, UH, THAT'S TALKED TO AGAINST THIS PROJECT FROM THE START.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SECRET.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED THIS COUNCIL IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER.
UH, YOU'VE LAID OUT YOUR CASE.
I AM MORE THAN HAPPY, UH, THIS EVENING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, TO, TO OPEN THAT DISCUSSION BACK UP.
UM, KEVIN, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THAT MY VOTE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR IS NOT STATED WE HAVE IN THE CITY MANAGER STATED THAT WE DON'T HAVE SINCE THE MAY 9TH MEETING.
SO MERRITT THIS TIME, THAT IS, THAT IS MY MOTION AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE A SECOND GLENN? I WOULD SECOND FOR THE SAME REASON, I ALSO HAVE BEEN STANDING AGAINST THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, REESE LAND.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE SWAYED, BUT I THINK THAT YOUR APPROACH WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL.
AND IF THERE'S ANY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL THAT WOULD LIKE TO RE YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I'LL MAKE FURTHER COMMENTS
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AFTER WE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECONSIDER.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER? I JUST, JUST A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'D MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WORKING WITH STAFF AND I APPRECIATE THOSE, THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT DEVELOP ALL THAT HAPPENS.
AND, AND YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU'D USE THE TERM THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW, A FEW MINUTES THIS WAY, BUT IT, STAFF HAD MADE SOME PROMISES OF SOME SORT.
UM, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR, UM, STAFF HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DO SUCH THING.
THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE BY US STAFF, MERRILY, ACCOMMODATES THE PROCESS.
UM, SO ANY PROMISES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MADE, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THEM AS PROMISES AND WE CERTAINLY WERE PRETTY EXPERIENCED IN THIS TOO.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THE LINE OF WHAT COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO AND WHAT STAFF WILL DO.
I THINK THE FEELING IS MORE ALONG THE LINES THAT WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER, MOVING FORWARD AND STEPS WERE OCCURRING.
THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH US PROCEEDING WITH THE PROJECT.
I BROUGHT UP THE PLAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT THAT'S, UH, I DON'T WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THAT OR MIS-CHARACTERIZED WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
UH, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE POSITIVITY AND THE, UM, MOMENTUM AND THEN THE ABRUPTION.
ANY MORE COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER? OKAY.
KAREN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MS. BAKER? NO.
MR. SHAW, NO, IT'S THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER ALSO FAILS ZERO TO EIGHT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION I WILL ASK BEFORE MR. BOOK LEAVES? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO STATE ANYTHING, UM, AS TO, AS TO OTHER REASONS, OR, UM, I THINK IF HE'S ASKED, UM, RICHARD, THANK YOU, UH, KEVIN AT THE, UH, AT THE APRIL 19TH WORK SESSION, AND I BELIEVE THE MAY 25TH COUNCIL MEETING, UM, WHERE THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US.
UM, MY COMMENTS WERE, WERE PRETTY CLEAR.
UM, THIS WAS NOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE MAY 3RD WORK SESSION.
SO SINCE IT HAD A FIRST READING AT THE MAY 25TH COUNCIL MEETING, THEN MOVED TO THE MAY 9TH COUNSELING AND FOR A SECOND READING, WHICH IS WHERE IT FAILED TO VOTE.
UM, IF I HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU STANDING HERE TODAY, FACE-TO-FACE WITH YOU.
I AM ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED THAT IT FAILED.
UM, AT THE MAY 9TH MEETING, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT MY COMMENTS, UM, THAT I MADE, UM, PERSUADED MY COLLEAGUES TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I, I BELIEVE THERE DOES NEED TO BE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN FULLY AGREE ON DEVELOPMENT, THAT THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, BUT THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LEXINGTON PLACE, THE OAKS, UM, THAT OUR ENTIRE CITY CAN AGREE UPON WHEN IT COMES TO OUR LAND USE AGREEMENT.
UM, THAT IS A INTERESTING PIECE OF LAND THAT WE HAVE UP THERE, UM, THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED THE RIGHT WAY AND HAS POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTFUL GROWTH FOR YEARS UPON YEARS TO COME.
UM, IT IS MY HOPE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WORK WITH THE, UH, CITY ADMINISTRATION, MAYBE REDEFINE YOUR PLAN AND BRING THAT BACK AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, WITH A NEW PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
WELL, I'M SORRY, AT THAT POINT, I BELIEVE WE WOULD NEED TO GO TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, AND THEN START THAT CAUSE IT WOULD NEED, IT WOULD BE A NEW PROCESS FROM THE START.
UM, IT IS, UH, AND OF COURSE, NOTHING AGAINST YOURSELF, ANY OF YOUR PARTNERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, I HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT I HAVE TO ANSWER TO AND THE COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE TO ANSWER TO, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE MY VOTE STANDS.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK FOR YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM DURING THIS MEETING TONIGHT, THANK YOU.
I'M THE ONLY ONE UP HERE THAT WASN'T AT THE HERE AT THE BEGINNING AND I, I JUST VOTED NO DUE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE PROMISED IN ENTERTAINMENT, DISTRICT, NOT HOUSING.
AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING TIRED OF EVERYTHING'S ABOUT HOUSING.
AND SO THEREFORE I AGREE WITH RICHARD.
I HAVE PEOPLE I HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MY CITIZENS PUT ME UP HERE FOR THAT REASON AND THEY'RE TIRED OF HOUSING.
THEY WANT MORE FOR THE CITY AND THAT PROPERTY BEING US, WE HAVE CONTROL MORE CONTROL OVER IT.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB BEING PROFESSIONAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO IS JUST, IT WAS THE RESIDENTIAL END.
AND I'D LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'VE BEEN STANDING.
I THINK IT WAS AT LEAN TOO HEAVY RESIDENTIAL FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT REALLY MEETS THE PLAN THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED IN THE PAST.
UM, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH.
WE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT MORE COMMERCIAL TYPE PROPERTY AND IT'S LENA RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
I THINK THAT IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD FIND A WAY TO BRING BACK SOMETHING
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THAT WOULD FIT THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD DO WELL UP THERE, BUT AS LONG AS THE PRIMARY COMPONENT IS RESIDENTIAL, I'M THE SAME WAY.I THINK WE'RE A BIT OVER BEGINNING TO BE OVERGROWN RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR BUSINESS MORE THAN OUR RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT.
CAN I RESPOND TO SOMETHING PLEASE? YEAH.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS BACK.
WE, WE HAVE BEEN MOVING THIS FORWARD HERE FOR SOME TIME.
UH, ONE OF OUR, OUR CHIEF, UH, PIECES OF, AS BEING PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE UP HERE TONIGHT IS THAT THIS, THIS HAPPENED, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE HAVE, UH, AN OUTSIDE CLOSING DATE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IT WAS A 12 MONTH PERIOD.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING FORWARD THROUGH THIS.
I MEAN, WE'RE READY TO, WE WOULD'VE BEEN READY TO BREAK GROUND HERE IN AUGUST.
AND, UH, WE, WE CAN MAKE CONSIDERATION AND TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS, BUT WE DO HAVE A UPENDING DATE.
AND WHAT I WOULD ASK IS IF THIS GOES THIS DIRECTION, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING FORWARD SOME SORT OF AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO GIVE US TIME TO REACT TO ALL THIS.
THE TIMING OF THIS HAS BEEN A PRETTY TOUGH ON US TO, TO BE FIVE WEEKS FROM WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK ON, ON MOVING TOWARDS A CLOSING, UH, TO GET THIS KIND OF A CHANGE IN ATMOSPHERE HERE.
SO, UM, I HAVE TO TALK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN OUR COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT IF THAT'S CASE, AND WE DO WANT TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT RESPONDS TO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS THAT WE'D BE GIVEN SOME TIME TO DO IT IN LIGHT OF THE TIMING OF THIS CHANGE DIRECTION, AT LEAST AS WE'VE SEEN.
SO HOW WOULD A AGREEMENT LIKE THAT? LOOK, JERRY, WHAT WOULD, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD THAT NEED TO BE DONE WITH COUNSEL? I HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE GO FROM AGREEING TO SOMETHING TO AN EXTENSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF I RECALL THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PASSED BY COUNCIL SOMETIME AGO, UM, THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL FOR AN AMENDMENT AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
SO WE HAVE A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 7TH.
IS THAT THE, YEAH, SO, UM, SO IT'D BE A WEEK FROM TOMORROW THAT, UM, THE AMENDED AGREEMENT CAN BE PUT ON THE WORK SESSION FOR OPEN DISCUSSION THERE.
AND THAT WOULD MOVE TO THE, UM, THE WHAT'S THE, SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE DATES FOR THE TWO WEEKS OUT.
OH YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, IS THERE A YEAH, BECAUSE OF MORAL DAY.
I THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED AWFUL FAR AWAY FOR, SO, YEAH, SO THERE'S SEVEN.
SO TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW WOULD BE THE WORK SESSION WHERE THAT AGREEMENT WOULD BE DISCUSSED, UH, IN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING.
AND THEN COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AT THAT TIME TO THE, TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON AMENDING THAT AGREEMENT.
SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE THE DATES THAT WOULD BE HOW THAT WOULD LINE UP.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, UM, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM, UH, PERVY, YOU APPRECIATE YOU GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO, TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS AND FEELINGS ABOUT THE PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT, AND WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
SO WE WILL, UM, WE'LL HAVE THIS AT A, AT A WORK SESSION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND SEE WHERE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
SO IT'D BE TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW ON JUNE THE SEVENTH.
I SAID WE HAVE FOUR, BUT WE ONLY HAVE THREE CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
THE LAST ONE IS ANNA BUCHANAN.
IT'S SEEN A BUCHANAN AND SORRY, MY HANDWRITING IS ON THE POT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
UH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRE CHIEF HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE DUE TO SHORT STAFFING, AND WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY, UH, YOU SEEM TO TURN DOWN THE, UM, IDEA OF HIRING MORE FIRE PEOPLE.
SO I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT COMMENT AND I'LL MOVE IT ON TO BRIAN.
BUT SO, UH, THAT FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE VERY FIRST, UM, DISCUSSION WHERE THE FIRE CHIEF WAS HERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, FIREFIGHTERS AND WE HAD HAD A DISCUSSION.
WELL, IF THAT'S HAPPENING AMONGST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS IT HAPPENING AMONGST
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL? AND SO WE HAD ASKED KIND OF, FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT THAT FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE WAS, WHAT THAT MEANT.WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WAS NOT DOING? UM, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF HAD ALSO SPOKE ABOUT HOW WELL THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE CARE OF, UM, ANY TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT ANY OF OUR EMS WORKERS, UM, IT WOULD EXPERIENCE.
SO THEN AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WHERE THE, THE FIRE CHIEF CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, I THINK HE WAS ASKED PRETTY SPECIFICALLY, I THINK EVEN BY THE COUNCILOR CAMPBELL ABOUT WHAT THAT FIREFIGHTER, WHAT THE FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE MEANT AND WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
AND EVEN UPON THE TIME THAT HE HAD THE ABILITY TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT WAS, HIS RECOMMENDATION STILL WAS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD AND HIRE ANY FIREFIGHTERS UNTIL JANUARY OF 2023.
UH, HE WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT HE BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MUCH BROADER CANDIDATE SEARCH AND THE FIREFIGHTER POOL, UM, OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TEST AND PASS THE TEST RATHER THAN, UH, WHAT THE, AND I'LL JUST KIND OF USE THE WORD, THE SLIM PICKINGS THAT THERE WOULD BE CURRENTLY.
SO AFTER WE'VE HEARD ALL THAT EVALUATION AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IT AND DIGEST IT, AND THE CHIEF CAME BACK AND HE STILL RECOMMENDED NOT HIRING THEM UNTIL JANUARY OF 20, 24, EVEN WITH THE FATIGUE DISCUSSION IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON I THINK THAT THAT HAD FAILED BECAUSE, UM, NOT HIRING THOSE FIREFIGHTERS ARE AGREEING TO PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR FIRE CHIEF SAID HE DIDN'T NEED THEM.
UH, SO THAT WAS WHEN IT I'LL JUST SAY VERY SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT CAME TO MY VOTE, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I VOTED NO I'M LISTENING TO OUR EXPERT, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, VERSUS PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.
SO, UH, ON THE, ON THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE ALL OF US UP HERE HAVE AN OPINION, BUT WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF SAID SPECIFICALLY, HE DIDN'T NEED THEM AND WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL JANUARY WHEN THE CANDIDATE POOL WAS BIGGER.
THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE THAT WENT.
UM, SO I'LL COME TO YOU IN A SECOND.
GLENN, I'M GOING TO GO TO BRIAN AND SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED? I DIDN'T CLARIFY.
OR IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'LL, THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE COMMENTS YET, UM, TO, TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS AND TO THE PRESENTATION, UH, THE MESSAGE, UH, WHICH, UM, THE MESSAGE WAS NEEDED TO BE ARTICULATED IS THAT WHICH CAN BE PREDICTED, CAN BE PREVENTED.
AND THAT WAS REALLY THE NATURE OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST.
IF YOU CALL BACK, IF YOU RECALL BACK TO THE, THAT WAS MADE BY THE FIRES, YOU HAD THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE BY THE FIRE CHIEF.
THERE WAS A LOT OF ANALYTICAL DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE TYPE OF CALL VOLUME AND THE TYPE OF, UH, ANNUAL CALL INCREASES THAT WE WERE BEGINNING TO SEE, AND THE ISSUE AT HAND WASN'T WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING.
IT IS CONDITIONS THAT THE CHIEF IS PREDICTING FOR US TO BEGIN EXPERIENCING BASED ON THOSE TRENDS.
SO RATHER THAN US WAIT TO BE A VICTIM OF WHAT THE TREND DATA IS SAYING, THE CHIEF'S PRESENTATION, THE INITIAL MESSAGE THAT STAFF WAS HOPING TO PRESENT WAS THAT BASED ON WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY IN THE ANALYTICS, IF WE RESPOND TODAY, UH, THE ISSUE OF FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE, AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF COULD BE AVOIDED OR COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MITIGATED BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF ON HAND TO RESPOND TO THOSE CALL VOLUMES.
SO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF, ARE WE INADEQUATELY STAFFED TODAY, OR ARE WE HAVING ANY OTHER TYPES OF SERVICE DELIVERY ISSUES IN THE REALM OF PUBLIC SAFETY? THIS IS ABOUT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US TODAY TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND TRY AND MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO OUR STAFF AND ENSURE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE TOP-NOTCH SAFETY, TOURISTS, CITIZENS IN THE FUTURE WHEN THOSE INCREASED DEMANDS ARRIVE.
UM, MR. KEVIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BACK UP.
I I'VE HAD SOME TIME TO MOLD THIS ABOUT, AND ONE THING THAT'S KIND OF STUCK IN MY HEAD SINCE THAT MEETING THAT NIGHT WAS MR. LYONS COMMENTS.
UM, HE HAD MADE COMMENTS TO SOMETHING LIKE THREATS, COERCION, OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT, AND, UM, THAT THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
AND AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. LYONS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK UP THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD MADE? AND, AND IF HE DOES JERRY, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, IT WOULD JUST TAKE A SIMPLE MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE WHO VOTED AGAINST WOULDN'T IT TO BRING THAT BACK? UM, I DIDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
I JUST ASKED FOR YOU, I JUST TAKE A SIMPLE MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM ONE OF THE, NO VOTES ON THE DIOCESE TO BRING THAT BACK.
WAS IT AT THE LAST MEETING OR WAS IT AT A PRIOR MEETING? I DON'T KNOW.
WAS IT THE LAST IT'S BEEN RECENTLY? AND WE CONSIDER IT HAS TO BE NO LATER THAN THE NEXT MEETING.
AND IT ALSO VARIED IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT TAKES SOME MEDIA, THE FACT, I MEAN, THERE'S, I GOT TO LOOK AT THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES IMMEDIATE
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EFFECT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT AT THE SAME MEETING IF IT PASSES.AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T TAKE IMMEDIATE EFFECT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT BY THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING.
NOW AGAIN, IF I MAY MARIN MR. LIONS, ARE YOU PREPARED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING TO COUNCIL TO BACK THOSE STATEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE? SURE.
SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD, I WOULD SIMPLY LOOK TO SEE MR. WINSTER LIONS IS WILLING TO PROVIDE AND, AND HOPE THAT A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL VOTED AGAINST THAT MEASURE.
BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEEDING ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
UM, WE GOT TO A POINT TO WHERE WE COULD GET THEM ON.
WE PUT THEM IN THE ORG CHART AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM.
I FIND ALL THAT TO BE A LITTLE OFF.
AND I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF SOMEONE WHO DID VOTE AGAINST THAT MEASURE WOULD MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE US TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE CITIZENS' INPUT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
WE ARE GOING TO HIRE MORE FIREMAN.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MONEY FOR THEM.
THEY HAVE TO FINISH HER SCHOOLING AND THEY HAVE TO BE CREDENTIALED BY THE STATE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
SO DID YOU SAY 20, 23 OR 2024 TO GRADUATE IN DECEMBER? THEY WOULD GRADUATE IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO THEN ALLOCATE THE FUNDING TO HIRE THEM IN JANUARY OF 2023.
THEY HAVE TO POUR A PASS THEIR STATE BOARD.
SO THERE'S NO POINT IN HIRING SOMEBODY THAT CAN'T PASS THE REPORTS.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST RECOMMENDATION OF THE FIRE CHIEF TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A MUCH BROADER CANDIDATE POOL TO ACTUALLY HIRE FROM THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE FIRE CHIEF.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER HEARING THAT AD HAS SOME INFORMATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION.
SO I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'D BE HAPPY TO SECOND.
SO EMOTIONAL AND THE SECOND TO RECONSIDER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE RECONSIDERATION AS WE'LL BE RECONSIDERING? SO I THINK THE LAST PIECE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS, UM, YEAH, SO, SO I'M TRYING, SO WE HAD ACTUALLY, UH, THIS WAS THE PIECE OF FUNDING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
CAUSE THE ORG CHART WAS APPROVED.
AND THEN, SO THIS WAS THE ACTUAL FUNDING, UH, OF, OF THE FIREFIGHTERS.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE FUNDING THAT WAS, UM, BASED ON THE, ON THE ORG CHART.
AND JERRY, JUST FROM A STANDPOINT OF, OF HOW THIS WOULD WORK, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY? YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND TO RECONSIDER.
WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REVIEW THIS INFORMATION I REQUESTED FROM MR. LYONS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MOVED TO, TO MAKE THE VOTE FOR THE ACTUAL EDGE PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, BRINGS IT BACK ON THE TABLE.
THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE ITEM TO ANOTHER MEETING.
CAUSE ONCE YOU RESURRECTED AGAIN AT THE MOST WE CONSIDERED, THEN YOU COULD PUSH IT OUT TO ANOTHER MEETING TO GET INFORMATION IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
NEXT I'D LIKE TO REQUEST INFORMATION TOO.
CAUSE I THINK WHEN WE DID HAVE THE MOTION, WE HIRED THREE FIREFIGHTERS BACK IN 2018.
UH, MR. ALDA, I BELIEVE YOU WERE A NOVA THEN.
SO I FIND IT A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 2018 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIRING FIREFIGHTERS.
WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP YOURSELF THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO HER IN FIREFIGHTERS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THE LAST TIME WE HAD A VOTE TIRE FIREFIGHTERS, YOU GO TO, NO, THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO WHERE YOU SAID, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LONG TIME AND WE HAVE, AND WE'VE HIRED THREE FIREFIGHTERS AND YOU WERE A NO VOTE.
THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT.
SO, SO I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE THE INFORMATION FROM THOSE MINUTES OF THAT, UM, THAT I THINK IT WAS MAYBE IN MAY OF 2018 MAY OR JUNE OF 2018, WHEN THAT WAS FAST, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TO GET THE MINUTES OR COPY OF THAT TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL ROLE CALL FOOT WAS ON THAT, UH, WHEN WE APPROVED THOSE FIREFIGHTERS IN 2018, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEVEL WE ARE NOW CORRECT, 39, WE HAD 36 AND WE HAD VOTED TO HIRE THREE FIREFIGHTERS IN TO BRING THE CURRENT LEVEL, THE 39.
I KNOW WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH RETIREMENTS AND TRYING TO HIRE PEOPLE VERSUS TIME THE PEOPLE WOULD RETIRE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT THE ORG CHART REPRESENTED 39 AND THEN WE HIRED THREE FROM 36 TO GET TO 39.
I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS BY SAYING THAT I ABSOLUTELY WAS IN THE SAME BOAT, AS YOU STATED EARLIER, MY OPINION WAS IF THE FIRE CHIEF SAID WE NEEDED THEM, FINANCE DIRECTOR SAID WE COULD AFFORD THEM.
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EITHER ONE OF THEM SAID NO.HOWEVER, IF, IF WHAT MR. LYONS STATED IS TRUE AND THERE HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSED THEM TO STATE THAT THEY DON'T NEED THEM WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT GUY GIVES ME PAUL SHIRT, ME TOO.
BUT I, BUT I'LL START OVER THE FIRE CHIEF, CHIEF ASHWORTH AT THAT MEETING, COMING TO THE WORK SESSIONS AND ON DIFFERENT OCCASIONS STATING THAT WE NEEDED THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
IN FACT, I THINK WHEN MYSELF AND MR. HILL DID OUR WALKTHROUGH AT THE CITY AND WE MET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRE CHIEF AND ALL THAT TIME WHEN WE WERE AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SHE FASCIA MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
WE NEED THREE FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT WAS AS SOON AS I TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY OF 18.
SO THEN WE TRIED TO HIRE THOSE THREE FIREFIGHTERS BASED ON WHAT THE POLICE OR WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF HAD SAID.
AND THERE WERE STILL NO VOTES AGAINST THAT.
AT THAT TIME, AFTER THE FIRE CHIEF SAID WE NEEDED, WHICH WOULD MAKE YOU WONDER SINCE OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN.
AND NOW THE OPINION HAS CHANGED THAT AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THE OPINION CHANGED THE FIRE.
YEAH, HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT WE WOULD LIKE FIREFIGHTERS, BUT I THINK HE WANTS TO HIRE THEM AFTER THEY'VE GRADUATED AND WE HAVE A BIGGER POOL OF PEOPLE TO CHOOSE FROM.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO, BECAUSE I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL HE GOT, UM, A LARGER GROUP OF CANDIDATES TO PICK FROM ONCE THEY'VE GRADUATED THEIR SCHOOLING TO BE ABLE TO HIRE IN JANUARY OF 2023.
AND THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION HE GAVE THREE I'M SORRY, FOUR IN 20, 23, BECAUSE ONE WAS A, I BELIEVE A CAPTAIN'S POSITION FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE AND THEN FOLLOWED UP BY THREE MORE FIREFIGHTERS IN 2024.
SO THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION, THE RECOMMENDATION, THE FIRE CHIEF HAS NEVER BEEN TO HIRE THREE FIREFIGHTERS OR FOUR MORE RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T SOMETHING MR. LYONS HAS BEEN PUSHING FORWARD, BUT SINCE 2019 OR WHENEVER IT WAS AFTER THAT, UM, CITY STAFF HAS ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE GOOD.
AND THE FIRE CHIEF SAID, WE'RE GOOD.
SO, UM, AND THEN NOW ON TOP OF THAT, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION OR WE REALLY WORK ON THE PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND.
AND IT ALSO FELT A LITTLE IRRESPONSIBLE TO EARMARK ALL THAT MONEY TOWARD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS MUCH AS I LOVE THEM WHEN WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
SO IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM VERY FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO ME TO MOVE THAT FORWARD WHEN THERE'S STILL SO MANY UNKNOWNS AND OUR FIRE CHIEF IS SITTING THERE TELLING US I DON'T NEED THESE PEOPLE UNTIL JANUARY OF 2023 AT THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, JERRY, I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING RECONSIDERED, UM, WAS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH OH DASH 2 5 1 1, BY MAKING SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF THE FIRE DIVISION OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO FOR THE SECOND FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2022 AND ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2022.
AND THAT WAS THE SECOND READING AT THE REGULAR WORK SESSION ON MAY 9TH, 2022.
UM, YEAH, IF I CAN JUST CORRECT YOU, IT WASN'T THAT ORDINANCE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT IT WASN'T THE, WHAT WAS BEFORE COUNCIL WAS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21 20 21 0 2 5 1.
SO, SO THAT WAS PENDING ITEM E AT THE LAST MEETING.
JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT, SORRY.
IF I MISSPOKE ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND, UM, I HAD SENT A EMAIL TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, UH, HASN'T SHOWN UP IN MY EMAIL.
UH, SO IT SHOULD BE SHOWING UP IN YOURS MOMENTARILY.
UM, IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, BUT I RECEIVED TEXTS FROM HUBER HEIGHTS, FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, AND PRESIDENT OF THE IFF 29, 26, MARK HAUN, UH, REGARDING FIREFIGHTER STAFFING LEVELS FROM DECEMBER 8TH, 2020.
SO IT'S ABOUT 17 MONTHS AGO WHEN CITY MANAGEMENT PLAYED A SHOW GAME ON THE THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY HIRED APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, THIS TEXT WAS VERIFIED PUBLICLY BY A FIREFIGHTER PRESIDENT MARK HAUN DURING A RECENT COUNCIL WORK SESSION IN WHICH YOU SPOKE HERE, UM, THIS SITUATION, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE TEXTS THAT HE SENT SINCE I WAS ASKED, UM, COUNSEL, THIS IS ME TALKING IN A TEXT, SO IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT.
BACKGROUND COUNCIL PASSED THE 2021 BUDGET LAST WEEK AFTER BEING TOLD THAT IS HARD FINDING FIREFIGHTERS BY THE CITY MANAGER.
APPARENTLY IT IS SO BAD THAT WE DID NOT EVEN DISCUSS IT AT OUR WORK SESSION MEETING TONIGHT
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THAT LASTED ALL OF 44 MINUTES.THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW IMPORTANT IT IS WHEN WE DO NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
THE COUNCIL MEMBER TOLD ME THIS WAS, UH, THIS WEEKEND THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, IF THE FIREFIGHTERS DO NOT COMPLAIN, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANY OF THIS.
HOW DO YOU SUGGEST I HANDLE THIS SITUATION? QUESTION MARK.
UM, THEN THE REPLY FROM FIREFIGHTER, PRESIDENT MARK HAUN.
IF THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING RELATED TO HUBER, I'VE BEEN DIRECTLY TOLD I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL OUT OF FEAR OF LOSING MY JOB.
I PREFER DISCONTINUE ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION.
I TEXTED BACK ONE MORE TEXT AND SAID, UNDERSTOOD.
I FIGURED THERE WOULD BE PRESSURE.
AT SOME POINT UNIONS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH THAT THEY CANNOT TOUCH, BUT I WILL RESPECT YOUR WISHES.
UM, THIS IS AN OLD ARGUMENT THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH WITH MY VETERAN STATUS ON COUNCIL OF OVER 20 OR 10 YEARS, EXCUSE ME.
THIS IS CALLED THE HUBER HEIGHTS.
TWO-STEP WHAT HAPPENS IS LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY ADMINISTRATION OR COUNCIL WILL, UH, TELL THE CITY MANAGER, UM, WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.
THEN THE CITY MANAGER WILL THEN SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THE DIRECTORS OR THE CITY MANAGER WILL PAIR IT, THAT INFORMATION AT A COUNCIL MEETING.
SO AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S ALL CA COUNCIL HEARS IS THAT SAME INFORMATION THEY'RE EXPECTED TO BE TOLD.
AND THEN THE ARGUMENT IS THESE ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD AND THE, THIS IS OUR C MANAGER.
AND YOU HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THEM AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND ARGUE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF ABOUT FIREFIGHTERS.
SO THIS KIND OF, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
IT'S JUST BAD, UH, BAD, FRUSTRATING, UM, DISINGENUOUS.
I CAN'T EVEN THE WORDS RIGHT NOW TO DESCRIBE THAT.
UM, BUT TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN TO FIREFIGHTER, OUR FIRST RESPONDER, THAT LEAVES THEIR FAMILY, EVERY SHIFT, KNOWING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT COME BACK IN PROTECTING OUR CITY IS JUST REPREHENSIBLE.
AND THE ARGUMENTS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT ARE ARGUMENTS.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY'RE VERY DISINGENUOUS.
I CAN BREAK THEM DOWN EASILY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE TOP TWO OR THREE, UM, THE ISSUE OF, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING ENOUGH COVERAGE, THE ISSUE ITSELF THAT THE FIRE CHIEF BROUGHT UP FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE.
IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN ONE MEETING.
AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
ALL RIGHT, SERIOUSLY, WE EITHER HAVE FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE OR WE DID IN ONE MEETING.
AND THE NEXT MEETING, NOT I FIND THE PRESENTATION, THE FIRE CHIEF GAVE US, UM, EXPECTED SEVEN NEW POSITIONS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
UM, I HAD HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION, THAT CALL NUMBERS WERE UP PRIOR TO 2021, UM, WHICH WOULD LEAVE CREDENCE TO ADDING ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
MY INITIAL CONVERSATION WAS TO COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE FIRE STATION 25 AND THE FIRE CHIEF SAID TAKES 15 TO FULLY STAFF IT AT BEST.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE AN ARGUMENT MADE, BUT THE BASICS IS WE STILL HAVE 12 THAT WE CAN HIRE TO FULLY STAFF IT.
AND THAT WAS DONE BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL.
UM, I FOUND THE MONEY, BUT LO AND BEHOLD, THE CITY MANAGER SAID IT'S NOT A VALID SOURCE.
IT IS ABOUT SOURCE IN MY OPINION, BUT I HAVE FOUND TWO OTHER SOURCES THAT WE CAN GAIN MONEY FROM.
UH, THE OTHER ARGUMENT YOU HEARD WAS, AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE THIS, AND THIS DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERIENCED COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE SMART PEOPLE UP HERE.
THE PIE'S ONLY GOING TO BE SO BIG.
SO IF WE HIRE FIREFIGHTERS WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS, WE MAY BE MOVING TOO FAST.
WE HAVE TO GET THE WHOLE PICTURE, BASICALLY THE PIECE OF THE PIE, WHICH IS A GOOD, COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO FINANCING.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT VOTE WAS MADE WEEKS AGO.
SO HOW GENUINE WAS THAT ARGUMENT WHEN WE'VE HAD NO PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF AND NO PRESENTATION
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FROM THE WORK, UH, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATOR, MIKE GRAY.SO THESE ARE JUST ARGUMENTS THAT ARE BEING USED TO SAY, NO, THAT'S FINE.
JUST SAY NO, JUST SAY NO, BUT THIS IS THE HUBER HEIGHTS.
TWO-STEP, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
WE TELL THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER TELLS THE DIRECTORS, THE DIRECTORS COME BACK AND GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO US.
AND NOW YOU HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH A POLICE CHIEF WHEN I HAVEN'T BEEN A FIREFIGHTER SINGLE DAY IN MY LIFE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, I WAS TOLD IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, VOTE THAT THE CITY LEADERSHIP WOULD ACTUALLY VOTE FOR.
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY VOTE FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS.
WE HAD THIS LEGISLATION ON AND IT WENT DOWN THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR BOTH VOTED AGAINST IT.
THAT WAS VOTES NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.
SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THIS.
I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRAYER ABOUT PRUNING.
I THINK WE NEED TO PRUNE SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND STOP THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FIREFIGHTERS, MAYOR, I HOPE YOU GET BEHIND THIS.
I HOPE YOU SUPPORT THIS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S YOUR DECISION AND YOUR LEADERSHIP.
WE'VE HAD A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MARY.
UH, IN LIGHT OF, UH, COUNCILMAN LIONS, UM, COMMENTS, AND I'VE NOT RECEIVED THE EMAIL YET.
UM, COUNCILMAN LYONS, I JUST HAVE TO ASK, UM, AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE, A FIREFIGHTER AND A UNION PRESIDENT.
UH, WAS HE AWARE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION THIS EVENING? I HAVE, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT DIRECTLY WITH HIM PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, OTHER THAN MY QUESTIONS WHEN HE WAS HERE.
AND I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD BEEN COERCED THREATENED HIS JOB OR HIS FUTURE AS FIREFIGHTER, BECAUSE AS A FIREFIGHTER, YOU CAN GET PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT.
YOU CAN GET PROMOTED TO BATTALION CHIEF TO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IF WE FUND IT, THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, THE CAPTAIN AND THEN THE FIRE CHIEF.
SO, UH, BUT HE DID VERIFY IN THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, THIS TEXT DID EXIST.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT MORE TIMELY.
I DO RECALL THOSE COMMENTS AND, UH, I REALLY HOPE THAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUES, UH, WILL, UH, VOTE TO AFFIRM THIS MOTION TO RECONSIDER, BUT THIS ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND I, I THINK A FULL INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, EXTERNAL, UM, INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO OCCUR BECAUSE, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENTS MADE BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND MR. OTTO REGARDING I BELIEVE 2018 COMMENTS MADE BY THE FINANCE DIRECTOR DURING, DURING THE FEMA GRANT.
I BELIEVE THIS INFORMATION, UH, MAY HAVE DEEPER ROOTS TO THAT, UH, AS WELL.
UH, SO COUNCIL LINES, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEGRITY AND BRINGING THAT FORWARD, UH, AND PROTECTING OUR CITY AND OUR TAXPAYERS.
AND I HOPE THIS COUNCIL MOVE FORWARD WITH A FORMAL INVESTIGATION, UH, TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
SO THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER PASSES FIVE TO THREE, RIGHT.
SO WE, WILL WE PUT THAT ON A, OF THE NEXT WORK SESSION OR DOES THAT, OR DOES THE, THE RATE, WE NEED A MOTION TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
UH, IN LIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS LAW DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME, UH, TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, I BELIEVE BY A MOTION TO TABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS YOUR COMMENTS.
I WOULD SAY TO TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I THINK YOU COULD EVEN SAY A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION, MARY, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO COMPEL ITEM TO BE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
AND IS THERE A THIRD YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT? YES.
RICHARD USED THE TERM COMPEL, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU.
SO WE'LL ADD THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AGAIN.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR THAT, THAT
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WE ARE LEGALLY EVERYTHING'S IN LINE WITH THAT BECAUSE IN OUR RULES OF COUNSEL, IT DOES TAKE THREE MEMBERS TO COMPEL IT, TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE WORD SECOND AGENDA.SINCE THE MOTION IS TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT, HOW TONY WOULD HANDLE.
THE ONLY REASON I ASKED FOR A THIRD WAS BECAUSE RICHARD USED THE TERM COMPEL THAT'S.
I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF THE CLEANEST WAY POSSIBLE, SO, OKAY.
SO WE'LL SEE AT A WORK SESSION OR LET THE NEXT SECTION NOW.
SO JERRY, WE JUST VOTED TO RECONSIDER FIVE, THREE.
CAN WE VOTE TO PASS IT RIGHT NOW? IF SOMEONE MAKES THE MOTION? YES.
WELL, WE JUST MADE ANOTHER, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, UH, AND MS. UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE WORK SESSION AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND HE LISTED SEVERAL MYRIAD OF ITEMS. WAS YOUR INTENTION PART OF THAT TO NOT VOTE ON IT TONIGHT AND VOTE ON IT AND TALK ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE TO RECONSIDER, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
DO WE NOT? WELL, WE JUST VOTED TO RECONSIDER AND THAT PASSED.
SO NOW IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE VOTING ON IT TONIGHT OR IN THE, SO IT WILL BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORDINANCE THAT'S PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST TIME BEFORE COUNCIL.
I WOULD THINK TECHNICALLY I'M THINKING IN TONY TERMS, NOW WE MIGHT WANT TO READ IT, READ IT, AND THEN HANDLE IT AS WE WOULD ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST READING.
OKAY, JERRY, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOTION TO NOW THAT WE'VE RECONSIDERED TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT? UH, THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO ADOPT IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THAT MOTION FOR ACTION TONIGHT.
SO NOW THE ONLY QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT ISSUE I CAN MOVE TO ADOPT.
SO I'LL MOTION TO ADOPT MAYOR.
IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? WELL, W THE, THAT WOULD ALL COME INTO DISCUSSION AFTER THERE'S A SECOND.
RICHARD, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT MR. LYONS AND MARY, IF I MAY TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. LENSES, HE DIRECTLY ASKED ME A QUESTION.
MR. LYONS IS MY HOPE TO ADD TO THE WORK SESSION ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION MOVING FORWARD WITH YOUR ALLEGATION.
AS FAR AS BRINGING A, UM, A VOTE UP TO ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FROM THE MAY 9TH MEETING, I'VE GOT A PROBLEM MOVING THAT VOTE TONIGHT.
UM, BEFORE WE VOTED, IF WE COULD JUST READ IT SO THAT WE TECHNICALLY HAVE READ THE ORDINANCE LAST WEEK.
UM, ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 0 1.
I'M SORRY, 2 0 2 1 0 2 5 1 1 BY MAKING SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF THE FIRE DIVISION OF THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, OHIO FOR THE PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2022.
AND THEN THE DECEMBER 31ST, 2022.
I HAD JUST ONE COMMENT AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SHAW.
UH, I, IN NO WAY INTENDED TO STEP ON YOUR TOES ABOUT THE INFORMATION GOING TO THE WORK SESSION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOUR CLARIFYING STATEMENTS ARE JUST THAT.
I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT RESPECT.
IF WE VOTE, IF I WOULD VOTE NO, THIS TIME AROUND ON THIS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO DISCUSS THIS AT WORK SESSION, OR WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THIS A WORK SESSION.
NO, RIGHT NOW IT'S A MOTION TO, TO ADAPT.
I THINK RICHARD'S CLARIFICATION FOR THE WORK SESSION WILL BE THE, UM, SOMEBODY WOULD NEED TO FILE A COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MARK? YES.
JERRY ADOBO TONIGHT MEANS IT STILL GOES BACK TO THE WORK SITE.
NO, I BELIEVE THAT WILL WOULD END IT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WORK SESSION AND THEN REALIZED THAT WASN'T THE BEST ROUTE TO GO.
SO RIGHT NOW, MR. LYONS HAS MADE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS MATTER, JUST LIKE THE, WAS THAT THE LAST RATING? SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT IT TONIGHT.
AND IF IT FAILS TONIGHT, IT FAILS TO MEET.
THE ORDINANCE AMENDING TO MAKE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES FOR THE FIRE DIVISION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ED? I'M SORRY, DON.
MA'AM JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAD THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, THE FIRE CHIEF STAND BEFORE US AND SAY THAT, UM, THESE FIRE, UM, PERSONNEL WOULD BE HIGHER STARTING JANUARY 20, 23.
THAT'S WHY, UH, THE MOTION FAILED THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
SO I WILL STAY AT WHAT I'VE SAID SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN MR. LYONS FIRST BROUGHT UP
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THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.AND THAT IS IF THE FIRE CHIEF STANDS BEFORE ME AND TELLS ME THAT HE NEEDED SOME THIS WEEK, HE'LL HAVE MY VOTE FROM THIS WEEK WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF STANDS BEFORE ME AND SAYS THAT 20, 23 IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO HIRE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS.
THEN I STAY ON WITH THE FIRE CHIEF ON THAT.
THERE'S A REASON THAT HE HAS A POSITION AND I WILL LISTEN TO HIM.
MS. PAL WAS YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
NO, MR. CAMPBELL, NO, 4, 4, 4, 4.
I WOULD CONTINUE WITH WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HIRE THESE FIREFIGHTERS IN JANUARY OF 2023 WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF HAS REQUESTED.
UH, MR. MCDONALD, I JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION AS THIS ITEM DID FAIL TONIGHT AS THE MAYOR BROKE THE TIE FOR, FOR, UM, AN ORDINANCE, UH, TAKES 30 DAYS TO GO INTO EFFECT.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, PLEASE EXPLAIN BY CHARTER THE REFERENDUM PROCESS OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WOULD NEED TO DO TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT? NOPE.
IT'S ALL IN THE CHARTER AND THING.
AND THAT DATE START FROM TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT BACK UP TODAY, FRESH VOTE THAT TOOK PLACE TODAY.
I THINK, I THINK TODAY WOULD BE THE START OF THE DEADLINE OF THE 30 DAYS.
THE OTHER ONE IS AS COMPLICATED.
BUT AS OF TODAY, YES, THE REFERENDUM PERIOD WOULD BE 30 DAYS FROM TODAY.
MA'AM YES, IT SAYS SOME COMMENTS.
[9. Citizens Registered to Speak on Agenda Items]
NEXT UP IS CITIZENS REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS? I HAVE THREE, FOUR ITEM 12, G 12 D.BUT WE'LL GET TO THOSE AT THAT TIME.
[10. City Manager Report]
[ A Motion To Reappoint Tina Daniel And Laura Shelton To The Arts And Beautification Commission For A Term Ending June 30, 2025.]
10, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.UH, JUST A FEW ITEMS FOR COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY.
UH, ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION IS ACCEPTING NOMINATIONS FOR THE 2022 BEAUTIFICATION AWARDS.
UH, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER IS SET TO OPEN ON MAY 28TH AND THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DIVISION IS ACCEPTING, UH, ENROLLMENT THROUGH, UH, JUNE ONE FOR SAFETY TOWN.
UH, SAFETY TOWN WILL BE, UH, JUNE 20 THROUGH THE 24TH AND JUNE 27TH THROUGH JULY 1ST, UH, INFORMATION ON ALL THESE ITEMS CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE, H H O H.ORG.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL HASN'T MEAN? THAT'S RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR CITY MANAGER REGARDING HIS UPDATE YESTERDAY.
MA'AM BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL ME THE STATUS, THE RIVERSIDE PROPERTIES, THE DANE DEVELOPMENT WE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM MAYBE THAT YES, WE, UM, WE JUST HEARD BACK, UM, ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO FROM, UH, OH, DNR.
UH, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE TERMS AND PROVISIONS OF THE AGREEMENT WOULD NOT INVALIDATE OUR REQUEST FOR THE GRANT.
UH, SO WE DID HEAR BACK FROM THEM, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE LAST, UM, WORK SESSION PACKET.
SO IT WILL ACTUALLY BE ON, ON THE JUNE 7TH WORK SESSION, I BELIEVE IS WHEN THERE'LL BE I'M SURE.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING THE STATUS OF THE PROGRESS DONE ON COMMUNITY PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT HAD A BUNCH OF REGISTERED AGENTS ASK.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT A COMMUNITY PARK INSTALLATION WAS TO BEGIN LAST WEEK.
UH, BUT I'LL HAVE MY UPDATE TOMORROW AT STAFF MEETING.
SO I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH COUNSEL THEN.
MOVING ON TO, I DON'T REMEMBER 11, WHICH IS PENDING BUSINESS.
THERE HAS DONE TONIGHT, OPENING BUSINESS NEXT UP OF THAT.
NUMBER 12 ON OUR NEW BUSINESS FOR CITY COUNCIL ITEM 12, EIGHT, ITEM 12, A A MOTION TO REAPPOINT TINA DANIEL AND LAURA SHELDON TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION FOR A TERM ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UM, THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDED REAPPOINTMENT OF THESE MEMBERS, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
THEIR CURRENT TERM ENDS ON JUNE 30TH, 2000.
THAT WAS THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A MOTION? NANCY? HAVE THE MOTION ON A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
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EIGHT TO ZERO.[ A Motion To Direct The Clerk Of Council To Respond To The Ohio Division Of Liquor Control With No Objections In Reference To Transfer Of Liquor Permit #0218537 For Anika Group, Inc. DBA Marathon At 8001 Brandt Pike, Huber Heights, Ohio, 45424 To Liquor Permit #2458001 For JL Enterprises, LLC DBA Marathon At 8001 Brandt Pike, Huber Heights, Ohio 45424.]
IS ITEM 12, B ITEM 12.BE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CLICKER COUNSEL TO, TO THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL WITH NO OBJECTIONS IN REFERENCE TO TRANSFER OF LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 0 2 1 8 5 3 7 4 AN ECO GROUP INCORPORATED DOING BUSINESSES MARATHON AT 8,001 BRANT PIKE.
HE PROVIDES OHIO 4 5, 4, 2 4 TO LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 5 8 0 0 1 FOR JLL ENTERPRISES, LLC, DOING BUSINESSES MARATHON 8,001 BRAND PIKE, KEEPER HEIGHTS, OHIO 4 5 4, 2 4.
AND KAREN, ANY FURTHER COMMENT, THIS IS JUST A TRANSFER OF A C1, C2, LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO THE NEW ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND GLENN SECOND EMOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, RICHARD? THANK YOU MAYOR.
SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK AND LAW DEPARTMENT AND CITY ADMINISTRATION, UH, WITH UPDATES, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE MARATHON STATION.
AND IT WAS NEWLY DISCOVERED, UH, JUST RECENTLY THAT WE HAVE A SECOND GAS STATION IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS NOW SERVING LIQUOR SHOTS ON BRENT PIKE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR LAW DIRECTOR AND CITY ADMINISTRATION, WHAT IS THE OFFICIAL UPDATE AND PROGRESS, UM, AND GO ON GETTING THESE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE MARATHON STATION.
ON ULTRA, WE FILED THE OBJECTIONS.
WE GOT NOTICE THAT THE HEARING WOULD BE SCHEDULED AT THE EARLIEST IN AUGUST.
AND SO WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING MUCH GOING ON ON THAT HEARING UNTIL THAT TIME ON THE NEWLY DISCOVERED ONE, WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING INTO HOW IT IS A GAS STATION CAN GET A
SO WE HAVE SOME INQUIRIES GOING INTO LIQUOR CONTROL TO FIND OUT HOW THOSE EVER GOT PERMITTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE ONCE THEY ARE APPROVED, WE HAVE IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE, SOMEONE FROM LIQUOR CONTROL GOING OUT TO THE PLACE, INSPECTING IT AND SAYING IT WAS NOT IN VIOLATION, WHICH IS WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH US D FIVES ARE FOR NIGHTCLUBS AND FOR RESTAURANTS, NOT FULFILLING STATIONS SPECIFICALLY BY LAW.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME KIND OF LOOPHOLE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, ABOUT HAVING A RESTAURANT IN A GAS STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M NOT VERY SATISFIED WITH WHAT I FOUND SO FAR.
SO THAT'S AN ONGOING SEARCH VERIFY, MAKE SURE, YEAH.
UM, I'M A BIT TROUBLED BY THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD, UH, WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF AND I BELIEVE SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF, UH, THAT THIS WAS THE ONLY ESTABLISHMENT IN TOWN.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE MORE, UM, IT WOULD BE MY REQUEST TO, UM, UH, UH, COMPELLED THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK HER, IS THERE ANY DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, TO HAVE, UH, READY FOR COUNCIL TO NEXT WORK SESSION, A REVIEW OF ALL NON CORPORATELY OWNED GAS STATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND HAVE A FULL REPORT WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THIS UNDER CONTROL ASAP.
UH, THE FACT THAT THAT NEW GAS STATION ON BRENT JUST OPENED THIS YEAR, UH, AND THEY'RE OPERATING A FULLY, I MEAN, IT'S A STRAIGHT BAR UP IN THERE.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT IT'S A STRAIGHT BAR.
SO WE'VE NOT GOT TWO OF THEM IN OUR CITY, UH, ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF TOWN.
I KNOW HARRISON TOWNSHIP IS DEALING WITH THIS PARTICULAR SAME ISSUE.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A OHIO SENATOR AND TAWNY.
I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, CREECH.
UM, UH, IF WE GOT TO LEAN ON OUR, OUR, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY PARTNERS, LET'S DO THAT.
IF WE GOT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE AGS OFFICE, UM, THROUGH THE WALL DIRECTOR, THIS HAS GOT TO GET TAKEN CARE OF SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE ONE ON BRENT PIKE, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE NEEDED, UH, FOR A PRECINCT, A BALLOT ISSUE, UM, TO, UH, TO SHUT THAT DOWN IF WE GOT TO DO IT BY BALLOT AND NOVEMBER.
SO RICHARD, I THINK YOU AND I ARE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT ON THIS AND, AND HOW TO HANDLE THESE.
BUT I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT LOCATION, THAT LOCATION PRIOR TO THE SHELL STATION WAS A DOUBLE DEUCE, WHICH WAS A RESTAURANT AND BAR.
SO WAS THAT JUST A TRANS WAS, WAS THAT, DID THEY SELL THAT LIQUOR LICENSE? SO THE, SO THE RESTAURANT AND THE BAR HAD IT AND THEY JUST SOLD IT TO SHELL.
AND IS THAT HOW THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED? SO IF IT'S JUST A TRANSFER THAT LICENSE THAT WE EVER HAD, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALIZE THAT, THAT, I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, I THINK YOU'D GO INTO A GAS STATION, BUY A SHOT.
SO IT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME THAT WE SHOULD EVEN QUESTION THE TYPE OF LICENSE THAT WAS WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT A TRANSFER LICENSE.
BUT NOW I'M FEELING A LITTLE BIT EGG ON MY FACE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T QUESTION THAT WE APPROVED THE TRANSFER OF THAT FROM A RESTAURANT AND THE BAR TO A GAS STATION.
AND NOW THEY'RE SERVING SHOTS JUST LIKE THEIR LICENSE AS THEY CAN.
SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE, I'M ALL FRUSTRATE AND, AND COUNSEL'S DEFENSE.
THE TRANSFER OF THE LICENSE WAS FROM WITH DOUBLE DOSE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED FROM DOUBLE DUES TO SUCH AND SUCH DBA,
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DOUBLE DEUCE.SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU DON'T SEE THAT IT'S BEING TRANSFERRED.
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY BOUGHT DOUBLE DEUCE AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPERATING.
THERE WAS NO INDICATION ON THERE.
LISA, IF I RECALL THAT STOOD OUT.
SO THE BEHIND THE SCENES WAS DISH RESTAURANT BAR SOLD THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE TO A GAS STATION.
AND NOW THE GAS STATIONS USING THAT TO BE ABLE TO SELL.
AND UNTIL THE TRANSFER IS COMPLETE, THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING BUSINESS THIS GAS STATION AS A DBA, DOING BUSINESS AS DOUBLE DIGITS, SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THAT.
SO GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE MORE ESTABLISHMENT BECAUSE YES, WE DO HAVE SOME CORPORATELY OWNED GAS STATIONS.
WE ALSO SOME PRIVATELY OWNED WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, UM, THE NEXT WORK SESSION IS NOT GOING TO BE TUESDAY.
IT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
SO BRIAN, WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME WOULD, I MEAN REALLY? I MEAN, IT'S A BIG ASK FROM RICHARD.
I AGREE WITH RICHARD, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU THINK YOU COULD REALISTICALLY HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION FROM THE CHIEF BACK READY TO PRESENT A FULL REPORT TO COUNCIL? UH, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT UNTIL I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH CHIEF, WHICH WOULD BE TOMORROW STAFF MEETING.
AND I CAN EMAIL OUT TO, UH, COUNSEL, UH, THAT INFORMATION FROM THE CHIEF, WHAT HE THINKS INAPPROPRIATE SCHEDULE WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO RETURN THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION.
THANKS, BRIAN, RICHARD, I FULLY SUPPORT YOU AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS.
SO I KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING.
SO WHAT DOES IT NOW FEEL LIKE WE GOT, WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON SOMETHING.
WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? UH, BE THE DIRECTOR, THE DIRECTOR TRANSFER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION? SO LET'S JUST BEAT THE DEAD HORSE.
SO THIS IS THE KIND OF LIQUOR PERMIT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE.
THIS IS A VIABLE, THIS IS A VIABLE GAS STATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION.
EMOTION DOES CARRY EIGHT TO ZERO.
[ Public Notice: In Compliance With Ohio Revised Code Section 145.381(B)(1) – Re-Employing Retirant, The City Of Huber Heights Gives Public Notice That Anthony C. Rodgers, Clerk Of Council, Will Be Retired In July 2022 And Is Seeking Employment With The City Of Huber Heights. The City Of Huber Heights Will Hold A Public Meeting On The Issue Of Anthony C. Rodgers Retiring And Being Re-Hired As The Clerk Of Council At The City Of Huber Heights At The July 5, 2022, Council Work Session At 6:00 P.M. To Be Held In The Council Chambers At Huber Heights City Hall, 6131 Taylorsville Road, Huber Heights, Ohio 45424.]
ITEM 12 SEAT.I DON'T 12 C AS A PUBLIC NOTICE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OHIO REVISED CODE SECTION 1, 4, 5 0.381 B ONE DASH RE-EMPLOYED IN RETIREMENT.
THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS GIVES PUBLIC NOTICE THAT ANTHONY C. ROGERS CLICKER COUNSEL WILL BE RETIRED IN JULY OF 2022.
AND THE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC MEETING ON THE ISSUE OF ANTHONY C. ROGERS RETIRING AND BEING REHIRED AS A CLERK OF COUNCIL AT THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS AT THE JULY 5TH, 2022 COUNCIL WORK SESSION AT 6:00 PM TO BE HELD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF HEBREW HIDE CITY HALL, 6 1 3 1 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, HEBREW HEIGHTS, OHIO 4 5 4, 2, 4.
KAREN, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THIS IS THAT NOTICE JUST A PUBLIC NOTICE.
[ A Resolution To Appoint John Russell To The Position Of City Manager Of The City Of Huber Heights. (first reading)]
ITEM 12, D I AM 12 D A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT JOHN RUSSELL TO THE POSITION OF CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS AT THE FIRST READING.[14. Executive Session]
AT THIS POINT, I KNOW THERE IS, UH, AN EXHIBIT THAT, UM, THAT JERRY HAS PREPARED.AND I THINK, UH, AND I KNOW WE HAVE CITIZENS HERE TO SPEAK ON, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE ACTUAL EXHIBIT, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THEN ONCE WE COME OUT, AFTER WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT AND THE RESOLUTION, THEREFORE, THEN WE WOULD HEAR CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN.
SO KAREN, IF YOU WOULD READ THE MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE, UH, THE MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT EMPLOYMENT AND COMPENSATION OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE.
MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IS THERE A SECOND? CAN SEE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, KAREN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
SO THE MOTION I'M GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, IS IT FAIL FIVE TO THREE? DO WE NEED FIVE OR IS IT, IS THAT FIVE, THREE, OR IS THAT SIX TO TWO FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS SIDE? FIVE TO 3, 5, 3.
SO WE WILL ADJOURN AT 7 32 EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL COME BACK OUT AND WE WILL, UH, OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
AND HERE IT SAYS, LYNN'S COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR
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ITEM FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REGISTERED, OKAY.IT IS 8 42, WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THE DISCUSSION AND EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS, UH, EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS, UM, PART OF THE ACTUAL, UH, RESOLUTION.
AND THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PACKET.
SO THAT WAS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.
UH, BEFORE WE GET ANY DETAILS ON THAT, WE DO WANT TO OFFER OPPORTUNITY FOR ASSISTANCE COMMENTS, SPECIFIC TO, UH, ITEM 12 D AND WE HAVE THREE FOURTH, ONE HAD BEEN ADDED.
ARE THEY ALL SPECIFIC TO THE RESIDENCE? SO RECEIVED FIVE, UM, MR. DAVID JOHNSON, LIKE THE PROSPERITY YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, DAVID.
I RESIGNED IN 76, 41 HARTSVILLE ROAD, HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO.
I LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS ALMOST 40 YEARS.
I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPINION CONCERNING THE POSITION OF THE CITY MANAGER OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I AM A FORMER VICE CHAIR OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BOARD OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT WITH THAT SAID, THIS PERSON SHOULD BE FROM BARRIER WITH WHOLE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, RESTAURANT, BUSINESS, POLICE, FIRE, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AND UNDERSTAND CITY GOVERNMENT POLICY BYLAWS, AND ALLY'S REVISED CODE S UH, STAYING WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
THIS PERSON I AM SUPPORTING FOR CITY MANAGER IS JOHN RUSSELL AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET JOHN AND ALSO THROUGH CPR CLASSES, WHICH JOHN WAS TEACHING AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER.
JOHN TAUGHT US, UH, VERY WELL ABOUT CPR, TAUGHT TO CLASS WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND EXCELLENT TRAINING SKILLS.
CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT JOHN CAN DO AS CITY MANAGER? I CAN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT JOHN RUSSELL BECOME OUR CITY MANAGER.
AND WHAT'S NEXT, NEXT, UH, YOLANDA SAVINGS AND HELLO EVERYONE.
IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, HUH? I AM YOLANDA STEPHENS.
AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR 23 YEARS.
MY FAMILY AND I, UM, I AM BRINGING FORTH CONCERNS REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS AS CHAIR OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION, A DEI PROFESSIONAL, A CERTIFIED HUMAN RESOURCES PROFESSIONAL, WHO HAS ALSO WORKED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I AM WELL VERSED AND EDUCATED ON FAIR AND EQUITABLE RECRUITMENT PRACTICES AND PROCESSES.
I HAVE REVIEWED THE RESUMES AND INTERVIEWS OF THE FOUR FINALISTS, AND THERE IS APPARENT BIAS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS THAT WAS UTILIZED TO SELECT THE FINAL CANDIDATE.
RESEARCH SHOWS THAT MANY HIRING PROCESSES ARE BIASED AND UNFAIR IN THAT UNCONSCIOUS BIAS, RACISM, AGEISM, AND SEXISM PLAY A ROLE, A BIG ROLE IN WHO GETS HIRED UNCONSCIOUS BIAS BIASES THAT WE AREN'T AWARE OF CAN PLAY A CRITICAL EFFECT AND AFFECT OUR JUDGMENT AND SELECTION AND CAUSE US TO MAKE DECISIONS IN FAVOR OF ONE PERSON OR GROUP TO THE DETRIMENT OF OTHERS.
THIS MPS DIVERSITY IN RECRUITMENT EFFORTS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
POOF OF BIAS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.
AS I LOOK AT THE OUTLINE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS POSITION, INCLUDING UNDERSTANDING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, FINANCE, AND BUDGETING, WATER, AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICES THAT DOES NOT, THAT IS NOT APPARENT IN THE SELECT A RESUME.
THE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE ALSO WILL HOLD A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM AN ACCREDITED COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY HAVE 10 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE, REALLY RESPONSIBLE, EXPERIENCED PROGRESSIVELY IN MUNICIPAL ADMINISTRATION AND A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS OF SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE A MASTER'S DEGREE FROM AN ACCREDITED COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, BUSINESS FINANCE OR RELATED FIELD AND CREDENTIAL MANAGER THROUGH ICY M A IS PREFERRED.
SO AS I LOOK AT ALL OF THESE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED FOR THE
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POSITION OF CITY MANAGER WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CANDIDATE THAT WAS CHOSEN DOES NOT MEET THIS CRITERIA, DOES NOT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH SHOWS THAT THERE HAS TO BE BIAS IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.WE HAD FOUR FINALISTS, ONE OF WHICH WAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALE WHO POSSESSED ALL OF THE QUALIFICATIONS.
WE CHOSE A CANDIDATE WHO DOES NOT POSSESS THESE QUALIFICATIONS.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
DID YOU RANK THE REQUIRED SKILLS FOR CANDIDATE? DID YOU CREATE A SCORING SHEET BASED ON THOSE REQUIRED SKILLS? DID YOU USE CONSENSUS SCORING ON THOSE CRITERIA? DID YOU USE A BLIND HIRING PROCESS ONLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CRITERIA THAT YOU SET FORTH, NOT A PERSON'S ADDRESS NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS OR NOT BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD STAY IN THE POSITION LONG ENOUGH DID WE DO THAT? WERE INTERVIEWS OPEN TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE ARE KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
WE PAY FOR THIS POSITION, OUR TAX PAYER DOLLARS PAY FOR THIS BIASES, LEAD US TO HIRE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE US, WHO ARE FROM THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE GIVE UNJUSTIFIED PREFERENCE TO INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THIS, THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION SERVES AS A REVIEW ADVISORY PANEL FOR BIAS BASED ISSUES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND CITY.
AND THAT IS WHY OUR COMMISSION IS REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT TO STAND AGAINST THE BIAS HIRING PROCESS THAT IMPEDES US HIRING THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR CITY MANAGER.
FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE THAT CITY COUNCIL SIGNED A PROCLAMATION, DENOUNCING RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION SITE ON APRIL, THE FIRST SECTION FOR THAT STATUS THAT YOU COMMIT TO EQUITY AND EMPLOYMENT.
AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS PROCESS.
OUR DEMOGRAPHICS ARE CHANGING, BUT ARE WE GROWING IN OUR THINKING PROCESS OR ARE WE IMPEDING PROGRESS AND GROWTH AS AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT VALUES DIVERSITY INCLUSION AND EQUITY? ARE WE CONTINUING TO PERPETUATE A SYSTEM OF THINKING THAT CONTINUES TO FAVOR AND GIVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PEOPLE BASED ON BIAS AND USING UNFAIR AND EQUITABLE HIRING PRACTICES THAT PREVENT US FROM HIRING THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.
I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS TODAY BECAUSE WE, AS A COMMUNITY HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT AND YOU AS CITY COUNCIL HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL MAKE FAIR UNBIASED DECISIONS, NOT BASED ON FAVORITISM, NOT BASED ON THE FACT THAT A PERSON HAS LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY 20, 30 YEARS, BUT BASED UP ON HOW WELL THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE SET FORTH IN THE CITY MANAGER JOB DESCRIPTION.
THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY.
I ASKED MY ASS WOULD BE THAT THE COMMUNITY BE INVOLVED IN THESE PROCESSES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
WE HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT IN OUR DEALINGS BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT COMMUNITY GETS BEHIND YOU.
AND I'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS DOING FINE, BUT FROM WHOSE VIEWPOINT IS THAT, IS IT FROM YOUR INDIVIDUAL VIEWPOINT, FROM WHAT YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR RESIDENTS THAT MAY SEE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
SO I STAND, UM, TO SAY THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN BIASED AND IT IS NOT A FAIR PROCESS.
WE ARE NOT HIRING THE MOST, THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU PULL OUT, IF YOU WRITE DOWN ALL YOUR REQUIREMENTS, YOU CREATE A CHECKLIST AND YOU CHECK OFF FOR THOSE FINAL FOUR CANDIDATES THAT YOU WENT WITH.
IT WILL BECOME APPARENT WHO THE ACTUAL PERSON IS THAT YOU SHOULD HIRE FOR THIS POSITION.
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NEXT.WE HAVE RHONDA SOMEONE GOOD EVENING, MAYOR GORE COUNCIL.
SO IT'S GONNA SEEM LIKE YOLANDA AND I HAVE REALLY TAUGHT, ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THINGS.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY SPOKEN ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
AND I'M ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT I'VE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BEFORE I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS.
I'VE RAISED TWO KIDS, BOTH HAVE GRADUATED FROM WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.
I AM A RENTER IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT I'M VESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE SERVED ON TWO BOARDS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE SERVED ON ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION AS THE CHAIR AND I'VE SERVED.
I'M SERVING ON CULTURE AND DIVERSITY.
I LOVE THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I COULDN'T LOVE THIS CITY ANYMORE.
IF I WAS A HOMEOWNER, I'M VESTED HERE.
THIS CONCERNS ME THE WAY THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN HANDLED BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU LOOKED AT US AND TOLD US THAT DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION MATTER TO YOU.
PART OF ME, WANTS TO REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT DID.
THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF ME THAT BELIEVES IT WAS A PLOY BECAUSE IT WASN'T ELECTION YEAR.
AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT, BUT I'M WELL AWARE THAT EVERYBODY'S SITTING UP THERE HAS A POLITICAL AGENDA ON THAT DIETS.
WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS SEPARATE YOUR POLITICAL AGENDA FROM THE MORALITY, THE INTEGRITY, THE TRANSPARENCY THAT EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT DURING THE ELECTION YEAR, EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT OPEN, HONEST AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.
ARE WE BEING OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PROCESS? THAT'S WHAT I WILL ASK YOU.
I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU WHETHER YOU'RE BEING OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE OPTICS OF IT IS NOT GOOD.
CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE ENTRUSTED YOU TO MAKE OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT DECISIONS.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH NOT HONORING WHAT YOU HAVE PROMISED YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU WOULD DO? BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, FOR ME, WHEN I REPRESENT CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, I'M REPRESENTING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I'M A RESIDENT HERE.
I'M A TAXPAYER, I'M AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN WHO UNDERSTANDS DISCRIMINATION.
WELL, BECAUSE I'VE WALKED IN IT FOR 48 YEARS.
SO WHEN I'M TALKING TO YOU ABOUT DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY IS WONDERFUL, BUT YOU CAN'T GET TO DIVERSITY UNTIL YOU UNCOVER SOME OF THE UNCONSCIOUS BIAS THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU HAVE.
I'VE TALKED TO EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE I NOT, I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILMAN WEBB, I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILWOMAN KITCHEN.
I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILMAN OTTO.
I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILWOMAN BERGE, COUNCILMAN MARK CAMPBELL.
I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.
I DID LEAVE YOU A MESSAGE, BUT I DID NOT GET A RETURN CALL.
AND WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR ELECTION, YOU WERE, YOU HAD NO PROBLEM CALLING ME BACK.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL YOU OUT ON THAT, RHONDA, PLEASE, PLEASE STICK TO THE, I WILL STICK TO IT.
BUT, UM, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH I WILL, BUT WHEN YOUR CONSTITUENTS CALL YOU AT SOME POINT, YOU NEED TO CALL THEM BACK.
AND I WANT THAT TO BE SAID ON RECORD.
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COUNSEL MICHELLE.I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE SINCERE AND ANYTIME I'VE EVER REACHED OUT TO A COUNCIL PERSON, I'VE ALWAYS RECEIVED A CALL BACK.
BUT WHAT I WANT YOU ALL TO HONESTLY THINK ABOUT IS IF WHAT YOU TOLD ME WAS SOME TYPE OF CONFORMITY BIAS WHERE YOU ALL HAVE COME UP WITH A REASON FOR WHY THIS CANDIDATE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE, OR IF YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE IN YOUR SOUL AND IN YOUR HEART, THAT WHAT YOU WERE DOING IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS CITY, NOT THAT FOUR OF YOU HAVE GATHERED TOGETHER AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
BUT I WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU, COUNCILMAN SHAW, BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS CITY, DO YOU COUNCIL, WOMAN BAKER BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT ANY OF THIS BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO TALK FROM MY HEART.
I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL HOW DISAPPOINTED I AM NOT WITH YOU AS CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT SOME OF YOU, I HAVE HAD PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ABOUT SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT I HAVE HAD AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN.
THAT TRANSCENDS POLITICAL AGENDAS.
WHEN YOU ALL ARE TALKING, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT, I HOPE THAT YOU WERE HAVING SINCERE MOMENTS WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU SINCERELY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND THAT YOU WANT THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.
NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU OR THAT SUBSCRIBED TO YOUR POLITICAL AGENDAS, BECAUSE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THE GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO ME ABOUT MY CITY, THAT I LOVE THAT I'VE RAISED MY CHILDREN IN THAT THIS IS THE GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO VIEW MY CITY LIKE THAT.
WHEN I'M TELLING PEOPLE MOVE HERE, I WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CANDIDATES, THE FINAL FOUR, THERE WERE TWO CANDIDATES THAT CLEARLY STOOD OUT TO ME.
ONE WAS MR. SMITH WHO HAD THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND THE PREFERRED, HE HAD THE EXPERIENCE.
AND I HOPE THAT HE WAS NOT ELIMINATED BECAUSE OF A BIAS.
I HOPE THAT WE DIDN'T ELIMINATE HIM BECAUSE OF A BIAS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT HIM.
THERE WAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE THAT SET OUT TO ME, MR. SIMS, PROGRESSIVE IN HIS THINKING TWO MASTER'S DEGREES EXPERIENCE IN URBAN PLANNING.
HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT BE? TO HAVE HIM AS A CITY MANAGER, HE WOULD TAKE US TO ANOTHER LEVEL, BUT THE CANDIDATE THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH, I'M NOT SAYING HE'S NOT A GREAT PERSON.
CAUSE I THINK IS, I THINK JOHN RUSSELL IS A WONDERFUL PERSON, BUT I DON'T THINK HE HAS THE SKILLSET TO BE THE CITY MANAGER.
I THINK HE'S GOT GREAT PASSION.
I THINK HE'S BEEN A, A LOYAL MEMBER TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE READY FOR THAT JOB.
SOMEBODY SAID, WE NEED A COACH.
WELL, FALL, WE NEED AS A COACH, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SIGNED UP TO BE A COACH WITH AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE? IF ALL PEOPLE NEEDED WASN'T ASSOCIATES DEGREE, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SIGNED UP TO BE THE CITY MANAGER OR HUBER HEIGHTS? WHY DID YOU ASK FOR ONE THING AND THEN WANT TO VOTE ON SOMEBODY WHO HAD LESS THAN THAT? COME ON GUYS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN EQUITABLE, IT'S NOT FAIR.
AND I, UNTIL YOU ALL TRULY GET IT HERE, I DON'T CARE WHAT I SAY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT SAYS IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER UNTIL IT'S IN YOUR HEART.
NOTHING THAT WE DO WILL MATTER.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU AS I TAKE MY SEAT
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OF OUR LEGISLATION AND WHAT OUR LEGISLATION CALLS FOR US TO DO THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION WAS ESTABLISHED AS PER OUR LEGISLATION TO ACT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND THE FULL EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PERSONS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, BECAUSE OF RACE, ETHNICITY, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION, RACISM, AND OTHER BIASES THROUGH EDUCATION, MEDIATION, POLICY LEGISLATION, AND COMPLAINT, REVIEW RESOLUTION RESOLUTION, THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION MAY ALSO SERVE AS A REVIEW ADVISORY PANEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS AND COMPLAINT RESOLUTION FOR BIAS BASED ISSUES BROUGHT ABOUT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR CITY GOVERNMENT.IF YOU DID NOT USE A SCORING TOOL, A SCORING CARD THAT SAID, IF YOU HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, YOU GET THIS AMOUNT.
IF YOU GET A MASS TO HAVE A MASTER'S, YOU GET THIS AMOUNT OF POINTS.
IF YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE, YOU GET THIS AMOUNT, IT WAS BIASED BECAUSE HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, HOW YOU CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION AND SHOULDN'T THAT MATTER TO YOU? WHEN I LOOK AT YOU, SHOULD I BE ABLE TO TRUST YOU BASED ON THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE.
AND MOST OF ALL IS GOD PLEASED WITH YOUR DECISION, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT AIN'T ABOUT ME AND IT AIN'T ABOUT YOLANDA.
THAT'S THE BIGGER PICTURE FOR ME.
SO TONIGHT I AM ASKING YOU, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A BIAS PROCESS AND THEREFORE COMPROMISING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS.
IT IS MY HOPE THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU VOTE NO TONIGHT AS THAT WILL BE THE ETHICAL, OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT THING TO DO.
WE HAVE TRISH YOU GALE RONISHA QUINNY GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS RONISHA CONNIE AND I AM A RESIDENT HERE AND THE CITY BIEBER HEIGHTS FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
UM, THESE LOVELY LADIES HAVE SAID, UM, HERE IN THIS CITY, I FIND IT GREAT, UM, COMFORTING, UM, PEOPLE TO WHERE, UM, I GET TO SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS TOO.
I GET TO KNOW PEOPLE WITHIN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM VERY CONCERNED AND IT REALLY DISCERNS ME WITH THEM, MY SOUL IN MY, IN MY EMBODIMENT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR, IN OUR CITY.
WE NEED NOT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES WE NEED TO LEARN TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE NEED TO LEARN NOT TO LOOK BACK.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAL IN MINE IS NOT CAPABLE, BUT HE'S JUST NOT THERE YET.
AND WHEN BECOMING A CITY MANAGER WITHIN OUR GREAT CITY, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND INFANT STRUCTURE.
WE GOT TO BRING OTHER BUSINESSES THROUGH OUR CITY.
IS THIS PERSON CAPABLE WITH THE RIGHT PROPER CONNECTIONS? OR IS IT THE CONNECTIONS THAT THEY'RE USING FROM YOU IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS ESTABLISHMENT? THEN IT MAKES ME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND WHY THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE PLACED OUT IN, REGARDING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR SUCH A PRESTIGE POSITION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE IDEAS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CLAIM THAT WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY, BUT DO WE HAVE TRANSPARENT? DO WE, WE SAY THAT TO OURSELVES IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE IT SOUND GOOD, LOOK GOOD IN ORDER FOR US TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, BUT IS IT, SO WE HAVE A LOT TO WORK WITHIN OUR CITY.
WE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COME TOGETHER AS A UNIT AND WE ARE NOT THERE YET.
AND THAT IS A STRUGGLE THAT WE STILL FACE EVEN TILL THIS DAY,
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NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR CITY, BUT WHILE ALSO WITHIN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT IS ALL IN ONE.THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT I DO PERCEIVE THAT ARE QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION THAT IS IN HAND.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT OUR CITY WILL GO BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS.
WE ALREADY SPEND A LOT IN REGARDING TO BUILDING THE ROSE CENTER, THE AQUATICS CENTER, WE'RE BUILDING NOW THESE APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE OUR CITY LOOK BETTER AND GREAT TO BUILD IT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GETTING THAT OUT THERE? I DON'T THINK THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS THAT CAPABILITY OR LET ALONE THAT UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO PROPERLY COMMUNICATE WITH ALL THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE OR GRASP THE ATTENTION TO THOSE THAT CAN MOVE TO OUR CITY.
I THINK YOU WERE HEIGHTS IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY.
WE HAVE SO MUCH THAT WE CAN TEACH, BUT IF WE ARE STAGNANT, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'LL BE THE ONLY CITY STILL FOR SOME REASON, STUCK WITHIN, NOT WITHIN TIME, WHY EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING BYPASSED US.
NOT ONLY AS A GROUP, NOT ONLY AS A WHOLE, BUT AS A PEOPLE.
WE ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF MOVING FORWARD.
WHAT WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITHIN OUR CITY BEING STAGNANT, WE HAVE MORE TO OFFER AND PLEASE DON'T LET THAT BE APPAREL FOR US AND LET US TO SUFFER AS A CONSTITUENT.
AND SOME OF YOU, I EVEN PUT OUT PICKING SIDES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOT TO DO BETTER BECAUSE THIS JUST MAKES NO SENSE.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE NEED TO HAVE DIVERSITY IN OUR CITY AND ALSO WORKING WITHIN THE CITY AND IN THESE WALLS AND THESE HALLS, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.
I WANT TO SEE ALL RAINBOW OF COLORS.
I WANT IT ALL IF THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH.
SO WHAT, BUT STILL WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE NORMAL CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SO WE DID HAVE ONE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I HAD ALL MY DESK, BUT I CAME BACK.
UM, THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WOULD BE MORE FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
SO WE CAN INVITE KIM TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ON THAT.
SHE'S JUST GOING TO SEND EMAILS.
I THINK THERE WERE, WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE WITH KIM FOR GOING EMAIL COUNCIL.
SO THAT DISCUSSION, UH, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS EXHIBIT A, WAS THE AMENDMENT TO, UH, THE RESOLUTION.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I'D ASK FOR A MOTION TO, UH, TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION.
WE'RE BE AMENDING THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE, UH, THE DISGUST, UM, EXHIBIT EIGHT AND EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEIR MOTION.
ANTHONY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL EXHIBIT? KEVIN, IF THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. WEBB.
SO THE MOTION TO AMEND FAILS FOUR TO THREE, UH, WE WILL AMEND AND, UH, I WILL CALL A SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AGAIN, UH, THE OPTUM OF IT AND BE OPEN FOR ANY COMMENTS.
I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.
I STILL IN THE COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE
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WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT.I TOOK A LOT OF FLACK A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO BECAUSE I ABSTAINED FROM A VOTE.
I EXPLAINED MYSELF WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND HONEST AND OPEN.
AND HONESTLY, AS I COULD TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MY REASON FOR MY ABSTENTION WAS NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T AGREE WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, THAT IT WAS BEING RUSHED, THAT IT WAS NOT BEING DONE PROPERLY.
AND WE ALL YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH WAS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAID A LOT OF NICE THINGS AND WE WOULD END UP DOING NOTHING.
I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT I WAS RIGHT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BE, BUT I WAS.
I WISH THAT IT'S TURNED OUT DIFFERENT.
I AGREE WITH YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
MY CANDIDATES WERE THE SAME AS YOURS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT TO SPEAK YOUR PEACE.
UH, NANCY, I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION BASED ON, DID THE LAW THAT YOU READ EARLIER IN THE CASE MR. LYONS WAS HERE, HE WASN'T PRESENT AT THE TIME OF THE VOTE.
UM, AND JUST FOR OTHER CLARIFICATION, UM, MAYOR BY SPECIAL MEETING, ARE YOU CALLING IN AN EMERGENCY SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NEED 20 YES.
EMERGENCY SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW AT 7:00 PM.
IT'S EMERGENCY MEETING 24 HOURS IS NOT REQUIRED IF THE GOAL IS TO TAKE ACTION.
SO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 12 E SEVEN, ITEM 12
[ An Ordinance Approving Individual Assessments Amounts And Directing The Director Of Finance Or His/Her Designee To Certify The Amounts To The Applicable County Auditor For Collection, And Declaring An Emergency. (first reading)]
E AN ORDINANCE APPROVING INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENTS AND MOUNTS AND DIRECTING THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE TO CERTIFY THE AMOUNTS TO THE APICAL COUNTY AUDITOR FOR COLLECTION AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AT THE FIRST READING.AND BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE COMMENT? UH, YES, SIR.
THIS, UH, UH, LEGISLATION REPRESENTS $17,000 WORTH OF, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CHARGES.
UH, THERE IS NO NEED TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING ON THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE.
UH, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL MOVE THIS ITEM ALONG TO JUNE 13TH, EXCUSE ME TO THE JUNE 13TH COUNCIL MEETING FOR A SECOND READING AND FINAL ADOPTION.
AND THAT IS THE RECLAMATION, THE WORK SESSION PASS ITEM TO SECOND READING.
[ A Resolution To Approve The Sale Of Property To Tri-Cities North Regional Wastewater Authority Under Certain Terms And Conditions. (first reading)]
ITEM 12 F A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE SALE OF PROPERTY TO TRI-CITIES DORTH REGIONAL WASTEWATER AUTHORITY UNDER CERTAIN TERMS AND CONDITIONS AT THE FIRST READING.THIS IS, UH, 17 ACRES OF PROPERTY COMPRISED OF SIX PARCELS, WHICH WERE FORMERLY THE CITY'S WELL FIELD.
UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THEIR SALE TO TRI-CITIES FOR $1 EACH, UH, TO ALLOW TRI-CITIES TO EXPAND THEIR FACILITY IN THE FUTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT RICHARD WILSON TO ADOPT NANCY.
YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES EIGHT ZERO NEXT UP AS I'M 12 SEVEN PLUS I APOLOGIZE.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Execute Leases For 6037 Brandt Pike And 6067 Brandt Pike, Huber Heights, Ohio. (first reading)]
NEXT WE ARE AT ITEM 12 G ITEMS FAULT G RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE LEASES FOR 6 0 3 7 BRAND PIKE AND 6 0 6 7 BRAND PIKE, HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO AT THE FIRST READING.THIS RESOLUTION, UH, AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTION OF LEASES FOR 60 37 AND 60 67 BRAND PIKE AS WAS DISCUSSED WITH COUNSEL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION ON MAY 17.
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.
ANY DISCUSSION MS. NOT MS. BAKER.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Solicit, Advertise And Receive Bids From Qualified Firms For The East Water Main Extension Project. (first reading)]
IS ITEM 12, H I DON'T KNOW, 12, EIGHT RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT, ADVERTISE AND RECEIVE THIS FROM QUALIFIED FIRMS FOR THE EAST WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT AT THE FIRST AND BRIAN COMMONS.THIS LEGISLATION IS TO AUTHORIZE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, THE SOLICITATION OF BIDS FOR THE EXTENSION OF WATER MAIN NORTHEAST ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD TO SERVICE CENTER, POINT 70 MAKING CITY, THE WATER SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THAT AREA REPLACING CLARK COUNTY.
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION ADOPTION.
IS THERE A MOTION NANCY IT UP FOR A SECOND.
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SECOND.[ A Resolution Declaring Certain City Property As No Longer Required For Municipal Purposes As Surplus And Authorizing Disposal Of Said Property. (first reading)]
AN IS I'M 12 HIGH ITEM 12.I, A RESOLUTION DECLARING A CERTAIN CITY PROPERTY IS NO LONGER REQUIRED FOR MUNICIPAL PURPOSES AS SURPLUS AND AUTHORIZING DISPOSAL OF SAID PROPERTY AT THE FIRST READING AND BRIAN COMMIT.
THIS LEGISLATION AUTHORIZED THE STAFF TO BEGIN THE RELEASE AND SALE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE NOW BEING REPLACED TO THE ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED DON? I WILL SECOND THE MOTION AND A SECOND.
[13. City Official Reports and Comments]
13 AND HE SAY OFFICIAL REPORTS AND COMMENTS.I WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT A BRAG REAL QUICK.
MY LAST AND MIDDLE SON JUST GOT MARRIED OVER THE WEEKEND AND HE'S OFF ON HIS HONEYMOON AND I AM SO PROUD AND HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SECOND, UH, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MR. SHAW.
YOU'VE EARNED EVERY YEAR AND ALL THOSE GRAY HAIRS.
MY THIRD COMMENT IS I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE AN EMERGENCY MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT TO MY YOUNGEST SON IS IN TOWN.
HE'S ON LEAVE AND, UH, WE'VE GOT PLANS.
WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY ELSE AT SEVEN.
NEXT UP IS I AM IN 14 EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR ONE BEFORE HE HAD ONE AND I'D IN 15 IS A GERMAN IT'S NINE 18, AND WE'LL SEE TOMORROW.