[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road May 10, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING AND THE CITY OF HUBER ICE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER, UM, SECRETARY YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFFERY'S MS. OFF HERE, MS. THOMAS, MS. MARGO, MR. WALDEN HERE.I DO BELIEVE MS. THOMAS HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, UH, FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND HEARING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING A WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING USED TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND RESPOND.
I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING, HAVE YOU HERE BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN THEY COME TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE THEIR STATE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS OR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT CHARLES V. SIMS DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT 74 FOR SALE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH 11 BUILDINGS FOR THE GABLES WITH WITHIN 11 BUILDINGS FOR THE GABLES OF HUBER HEIGHTS CASE DDP 22 DASH 20.
MR. THOROUGH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON SORROW CITY HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THE, UH, LOCATION OF THIS SITE IS JUST OFF OF BRANT PIKE ACROSS FROM CARRIAGE HILLS, UH, METRO PARK, JUST NORTH OF THE RESERVES.
IT'S A, UH, NEARLY 16 ACRES SITE, A ZONED PLAN MIXED USE.
UM, THERE ARE 74 FOR SALE UNITS WITHIN 11 BUILDINGS WITH AVERAGE DENSITY OF, UH, JUST UNDER FIVE UNITS, AN ACRE, UH, ABOUT 64% OF THE SITE.
NOW IS OUR 10.2 ACRES IS, IS OPEN SPACE, UH, ON MARCH 14TH, THIS BODY, UM, APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, LAST NIGHT, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED THE, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REVIEW THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS CONDITIONS OF YOUR APPROVAL IN, IN MARCH, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THE MINIMUM STREET PAYMENT WITH, UH, WOULD BE INCREASED TO 27 FEET, UH, WATER AND SANITARY LINES, UH, BASICALLY NEED TO BE PUBLIC AND IN EASEMENTS.
UH, AND THEN THE ENTRANCE TO BRANT PIKE, UH, NEEDED TO BE A MINIMUM 36 FOOT WIDE WITH A ONE LANE IN AND TWO LANE OUTS.
THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, UM, HAS MADE OR IS MAKING ALL OF THOSE, UH, THOSE CHANGES.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE CURRENT SITE PLAN, THE APP, UM, THE ENTRANCE IS NOW NEARLY 47 FEET WIDE, UM, BASICALLY TO COMPLY WITH, UH, FIRE TURNING RADIUSES.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE BIG, THE BIG CHANGE THERE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT, UH, TREE VEGETATION, UH, AND SCREENING AND BUFFERING ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THESE ARE, YOU SAW THESE BEFORE IN THE, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, ARE RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED UNITS.
UH, SO I'LL GO THROUGH, UM, CONFORMANCE WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL OVERWHELMINGLY CONFORMS TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL LAST NIGHT, AS LONG AS WELL AS THE REGULATIONS OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 1179, THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT, UM, AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT, UM, THERE'S NOW ONE MAIN ENTRANCE AND ONE EMERGENCY ACCESS IS PROVIDED.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THAT EMERGENCY EXIT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD BE REMOVED.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD, UH, ESSENTIALLY ASKED THAT IT REMAINED.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S STILL THERE.
UH, IT DOES NOT HAVE REGULAR ACCESS TO THE, TO THE RESERVE.
THE FRONT BOULEVARD ENTRANCE NOW EXCEEDS THE WIDTH, UH, REQUESTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER TO ACCOMMODATE TURNING RADIUSES FOR THE, THE APPARATUS THAT, UM, HE WRITES OWNS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE BOULEVARD
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ENTRANCE, THE LANDSCAPING ONLY CONTAINS A LOW HEIGHT, EVERGREEN SHRUBS AND LANDSCAPING.THAT WAS A REQUEST OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REALLY, ESSENTIALLY, SO THAT THEIR EQUIPMENT DOESN'T GET SCRATCHED UP, UH, AS IT DRIVES INTO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE, AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM STREET PAYMENT, THAT WAS, UH, REQUEST, UH, REQUIRED THAT HAS BEEN INCREASED TO 27 FEET.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY FRONT OF, BACK OF ASPHALT TO BACK OF ASPHALT.
UM, THE WATER AND SEWER LINES ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC.
UH, THEY EASEMENTS AREN'T DETAILED YET IN THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMISSION.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAVE A RANGE THAT THAT'LL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE FINAL PLAT, UM, PRIOR TO RECORDING WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO END UP SEEING, UH, ANYWAY, SO THAT THAT'S, WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE ENTRANCES NOW, UH, HAS BEEN EXPANDED SO, SORRY, IT'S NOW 44 FEET WIDE, WHICH IS ONE 14 FOOT ENTRANCE, A SIX FOOT PLANTED MEDIAN STRIP, AND THEN TWO AND A 24 FOOT, TWO LANE, UH, EXIT THE APPLICANT, UH, SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING PLAN.
THE PLAN HAS A MIXTURE OF ORNAMENTAL TREES ALONG THE FRONT OF EACH UNIT, AND THERE ARE SHADE TREES OR POSTS THROUGHOUT THE GREEN SPACE, AND THEN BETWEEN THE BUILDING CLUSTERS, AS FAR AS SCREENING AND BUFFERING GO THAT, WHICH WAS ALSO A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, UM, AT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW GUESTS, UH, PARKING AREAS ARE SOFTENED WITH TAXES BUSHES AT THE, AT THE END OF THE PARKING STALLS.
UH, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF NORWAY, UH, SPRUCE, EVERGREEN TREES ALONG THE LANDSCAPING MOUND THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY THERE IS A DANCE, EXCUSE ME, DENSE PLANTING OF, UH, ARBORVITAE TREES ALONG THE EDGE OF A MONTE CARLO WAY.
UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST, UH, THE MEETING HERE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, UH, CREATING THAT, THAT ARE SOFTENING THAT EDGE AND THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS ALONG MONTE CARLO AWAY.
SO I THINK THIS LANDSCAPING SHOULD PLAN SHOULD ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, THIS IS THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE MONTE CARLO WAY HERE.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN ALONG THE MOUND, AS WELL AS TREES INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS WELL AS A, UH, UH, ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPED, UH, ENTRANCE, UH, FEATURE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT THEY EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT HYDRANT SPACING, AS WELL AS A HYDRANT COVERAGE FOR BUILDINGS 11, OR EXCUSE ME, 10 AND 11.
I SPOKE WITH THE ENGINEER TODAY OR THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER TODAY.
THEY'RE ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL HIGHER, UM, HYDRANTS, WHICH WILL BE REFLECTED ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ENGINEER.
SO AS OUTLINED ABOVE THE APPLICANT HAS MADE, OR IS MAKING ALL OF THE NECESSARY REVISIONS TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE FEEL THAT THE SUBMITTED PLAN MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ILLUSTRATE ALL THE EXISTING AND NEW UTILITY EASEMENTS IN THE FINAL RECORD PLAN, UH, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEET THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED BY HE WRITES FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THIS ONE'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR ME? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE OVERHEAD DRAWING, THE GOOGLE EARTH SHOT? I THINK IT WAS PICTURE JUST TO MAKE SURE.
SO ON THE CUT IN COMING THAT LEFT TURN IN, ARE WE CUTTING INTO THAT EXISTING MEDIAN? THAT'S THERE TO DROP THEM BACK IN A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING? YEAH.
THE MEDIAN DOES GET CUT INTO RIGHT.
WHICH GETS THEM OUT OF THE LANE AND SAFE.
SO, AND THEN I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN, WHICH THIS WOULDN'T FALL ON THE DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING TO RUN UP THE CHAIN WITHIN THE CITY TO SAFETY OR FIRE, BUT I MEAN, I, I W I COME THAT WAY PLENTY AND IT COMES FROM A HIGHER SPEED.
ONE LANE OPENS UP TO TWO LANE, 35 MILE AN HOUR ZONE, RIGHT AT THAT KIND OF CONVERGENCE POINT.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS IF, AGAIN, ASIDE FROM THIS, IF FIRE THINKS THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS EXTENDING THAT 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT OUT PAST THE PARKWAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD ACCIDENTS IN FRONT OF CARES TRAILS PARKWAY AS WELL.
SO I THINK GETTING THAT SPEED IS SOMETHING I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, PEOPLE ARE PULLING IN, IF THEY'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH COMING SOUTHBOUND FROM SAY BETHEL AND TRY TO TURN INTO THEIR RIGHT.
WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS JUMPING OVER INTO THAT LANE, THINKING THAT THEY'RE GONNA FLY ON THROUGH, BECAUSE I KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT DROPS THERE, BUT IT ALSO GOES FROM ONE LANE TO TWO AND PEOPLE SEEM TO HIT
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THE GAS INSTEAD OF THE BRAKE WHEN THAT HAPPENS UP THERE.UH, I WILL RAISE THAT ISSUE WITH THE ENGINEER.
WHEN DOES, UH, WHEN DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT GET ADDRESSED? I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE ON THIS, THIS CASE HERE, BUT AS FAR AS THE WIDENING OF BRANT PIKE, ALL THE WAY UP TO CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS FOR THAT THE, THE AREA IN FRONT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN IMPROVED.
UM, YEAH, BUT I CAN TALK WITH THE ENGINEER TO SEE, UH, WHAT PLANS THERE ARE.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY THAT WIDENING IS DONE AS DEVELOPMENT, UH, OCCURS, UM, IN FRONT OF EACH PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY THAT CLEARLY ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN ON CARRIAGE TRAIL.
SO THAT'S GOING TO, UH, I'M SORRY, THE PARK HERE.
SO THAT WILL, UH, BUT IF THERE IS AREA DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, FURTHER NORTH, THAT, THAT MAY, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE IMPROVED BY WHOEVER DEVELOPS IT.
I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU TO SEE IF THERE ARE CURRENT PLANS TO WIDEN THAT AND PROVE THAT BY THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I GUESS, JUST PIGGYBACKING ON THAT, UM, WHERE TERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT AS IN THAT RIGHT LANE GOING NORTH, IT'S JUST A HARD STOP, UH, WHEN YOU RUN OUT A ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING, AGAIN, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, I CAN JUST SEE PEOPLE FLYING AROUND THROUGH THERE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING AS FAR AS POSSIBLY TAPERING THAT IN, WITHOUT HAVING TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY, AGAIN, JUST STUFF THAT FOR THE AREA THAT WE MAY LOOK AT.
I THINK, UM, AS THE APPLICANT DOES, UM, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MEDIA, AND I THINK WHERE WE WILL LOOK AT PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND CHANGING THAT BECAUSE YEAH, THERE IS JUST ONE EDGE PAVEMENT LINE THAT IS A SLOW TAPER THAT COULD CERTAINLY THE VISIBILITY OF THAT TAPER COULD BE IMPROVED WITH, WITH PAINT AND HONESTLY, AND SOME SIGNAGE.
ANY OTHER, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THE CITY OR THE STATE CONTROLS THE SPEED ON THAT STATE ROUTE? SO THIS WOULD BE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY, SO THE ENGINEER CAN, UH, CONSENT THE, THE, THOSE SPEED LIMITS.
CAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN SUNY LIMITS.
IF IT WERE IN THE TOWNSHIP, IT WOULD BE CONTROLLED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER OR THE STATE, BUT YEAH, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THE CITY, THE CITY CAN, CAN SET THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING UNDER, I BELIEVE 35 MILES AN HOUR.
YOU HAVE TO DO A STUDY FOR ODAT ON A STATE ROUTE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, LESS THAN THAT, YOU, THE CITY CAN PRETTY MUCH, OR BETWEEN UP TO 35 MILES AN HOUR, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH SET WHAT THEY WANT.
UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS WE DON'T, THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WHAT KIND OF SIGN IS THERE GOING TO BE ENTRANCE SIGN? WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
THE APPLICANT DID NOT SUBMIT ANY ENTRY SIGN PACKAGES, BUT THE APPLICANTS HERE, UM, FOR YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS A NAME FOR IT.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE HEIGHTS AND THE SIGNS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET AND WONDERED WHY NOT? YEAH.
SO THE APPLICANT CAN, CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DONE WITHOUT HAVING THE GATE OR THE BOLLARDS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED OR SO I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY FOR THAT TO BE INSTALLED AT THE DEVELOPMENT POINT.
DO THEY MAKE SOMETHING AT THE LOWER END AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE POSTS? THERE COULD BE JUST A CAP THAT IT, SO IT DOESN'T JUST DRAW ATTENTION TO IT.
AND WE COULD GO BACK AND PUT THE POST IN LATER IF WE NEEDED TO, BECAUSE IF NOBODY'S DRIVING THROUGH IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE AREA AND CREATING A STOPPING POINT FOR THE FIRETRUCK WHERE IF NO ONE DISTURBS IT, THEY COULD JUST DRIVE THROUGH IF WE EVER HAD TO USE IT.
SO I THINK THE POINT THERE IS THAT THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE RESERVE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID, IF WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE PARTS BOUGHT AND THEN HAVE A CAP INSTEAD OF THE POST, AND THEN IF WE GET A PHONE CALL THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING THROUGH, THEN WE GO PUT THE POST IN AS WHAT I'M ASKING IF THERE'S A WAY.
SO THERE'S A BASE IN THE POST THAT SITS IN THERE.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN THE DEVELOPER AND THE, AND THE, AND THE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE RESERVE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SO THEY ARE PROBABLY IN A BETTER POSITION, BUT TO ANSWER DIRECTLY YOUR QUESTION, IT IS POSSIBLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHOW UP AND UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT?
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YES.ROBERT SIMS, THE CHARLESTON'S DEVELOPMENT, MAX PEYTON WITH LGB, INC.
PLANNING COMMISSION FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.
UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BEGIN THIS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MICK KIND OF CLOSELY, UH, WORKING WITH THEM ON THE BUFFER ZONES IS AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, UH, I'M HERE TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS.
AND OF COURSE WE ASK THAT YOU DO APPROVE OUR, SO YOU COULD DO BOTH OF YOU PLEASE SIGN IN, PLEASE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COULD YOU ADDRESS MY QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRANCE SIGN? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, IT WAS NOT REQUIRED TO, TO PUT THAT ON THERE FOR THE DETAILED, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR A VERY NICE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, FRONT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THREE WAYS GOING OFF WITH BRICK.
AND THEN OF COURSE OUR LOGO WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SIGN.
I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT IT'S NOT PROFESSIONAL LOOKING FOR A PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT I CAN WALK THAT UP TO YOU.
DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY HOW TALL IT IS? UH, I DO NOT HAVE THAT MISSION.
LET ME SEE IF IT'S, IT WON'T BE TALLER THAN PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX FEET.
MR. JEFFRIES, AARON ON THE SIGN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE FINAL PLATS COME THROUGH, WE COULD HAVE THE SIGN PACKAGE THEN PROBABLY COULDN'T WAIT FOR, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MEETING IN THE MEANTIME.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UH, AS LONG AS IT MEETS CODE AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY'S CODE AND WE CAN JUST APPROVE IT.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR A REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY YOU.
WE'LL MAKE SURE IT MEETS CODE.
AND THAT WAY SAVES, UH, SAVES A MEETING.
UH, AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION, I GUESS, ON THE FIRE EMERGENCY STREET, AS FAR AS, IS IT GOING TO BE THE BOLLARD POST OR THE CRASH GATE? DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH OVER THERE? WE'RE PLANNING ON THE BALLERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS AND WE'RE DECIDED THAT WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH.
WELL, I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN, I THINK THE BOLLARDS LOOK A LOT NICER.
THE GATE THEY CAN DRIVE THROUGH IF THEY HAVE TO IN AN EMERGENCY WHERE THE BOLLARDS, THEY CAN'T, I GUESS THAT'S MY, WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT, IS THERE A, AN OPTION FOR HOW YOU GUYS PAY FOR THE BOLLARDS? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, IF THESE EXIST, BUT IT BASICALLY PUTS A CAP ON THOSE.
CAUSE THE POST HAS AN EXPOSURE TO THE GROUND TO WHERE AS LONG AS EVERYBODY PLAYS NICE AND NO ONE'S USING IT AS A ROAD THAN IT IS JUST AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
BUT IF PEOPLE START USING IT AS A ROAD, WE HAVE TO GO PUT THE POST IN.
WE PUT THEM IN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE OUT THERE, SO, OKAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY IS OPEN TO THAT OR, OR WHAT, BUT I MEAN, IT JUST, I DON'T THINK WE CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I THINK WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS IT'S UNLIKELY.
THE RESIDENTS WILL BE USING IT AS A CUT-THROUGH, BUT IT WILL BE MORE THAN LIKELY THAT THE AMAZON DRIVER, THE FEDEX, THE UPS, THOSE FOLKS WILL.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE BOLLARDS COMING COME IN HANDY THERE, BOUNCE IT, PHYSICAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE POST TO BE INSTALLED, WHY FAIR BUILDING? I DON'T WANT IT TO GO TO LATER AND JUST HAD TO GO HAVE A FIGHT TO GET THE CITY TO DO THIS.
AND I'M SURE THAT MOST OF US COUNTED ON IT BEEN DONE THAT WAY.
AND BY THE WAY, I LIVE IN THE RESERVES, BUT, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO SEE HIM PUT HIM WHEN THEY BUILD.
AND, UH, I'M VERY SATISFIED WITH, UH, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN A SPATIALLY OVER ON THAT MONTE CARLO, BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS PART OF THE CLOSE IN THERE BECAUSE OF RESTRICTED.
THEY HAVE A CALL BIRD IN THERE.
AND, UH, I DEFINITELY, UH, UH, LIKED TO SEE THE BOWLERS PUT IN WHEN THEY BUILD IT.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME ALONG LATER, LIKE USED TO HAVING TO CALL SOME OF THESE FEDEX AND
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PRIME DRIVERS.AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE, UM, I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO START SOME KIND OF ACTION RIGHT AWAY TO GET THAT THING EXTENDED FOUR LANES OR TWO MORE LANES ON THAT PROVER PASS CHERRY HILL, BECAUSE THIS IS NOTHING BUT A SPEED TRAP DOWN THROUGH THERE.
AND I MEAN, EVERYONE'S TRYING TO BEAT EACH OTHER, GOING TO THE FINGER EVERY EVENING AND GET IN FRONT OF YOU WELL, KNOW SOME MORE LIVES IN THAT AREA.
SO RIGHT NOW I'M VERY FEARFUL OF THE PLAN AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE THEM AS NEIGHBORS NEVER FIND LOOKS PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RELATIVE COSTS ARE TO CHARLES SIMS, BUT IF THERE WERE A REALLY AN EMERGENCY IS DO, DOES THE EMERGENCY SERVICES WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO REMOVE A BOLLARD OR, OR SEVERAL BOLLARDS? THAT'S I JUST THROW THAT OUT FOR CONSIDERATION.
I CAN ANSWER THAT MR. JEFFRIES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT.
I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE CHIEF RECENTLY ABOUT THIS, AND THEY SAID THAT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THE PROBABILITY OF EVER HAVING TO USE THE ROAD IS VERY, VERY SLIM.
AND IN THE EVENT THAT THEY HAD TO DO IT, EXCUSE ME, HAD TO GET THERE THAT IT WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL TIME TO REMOVE THE BOLLARDS.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE GATE VERSUS THE BOLLARDS BECAUSE OF THE GATE.
IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT AND UNLOCK IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO RAM THROUGH IT AND JUST MOVE ON.
UM, BUT WITH DOING THAT WIDE ENTRY AT THE FRONT, THEY FAILED THAT IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY TO EVER NEED THAT EMERGENCY ROAD, BUT THEY WANT IT JUST IN CASE OF THAT EVENT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, MA'AM.
UM, THE RESERVE, UH, WE HAVE A GATE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE A GATE OR NOT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE SHUT CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THAT CASE.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I'M HAPPY TO SEE MR. SIMS COME BACK TO BUILD IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT CHARLES CHARLES V DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 15.93 ACRES ON RAMP PIKE, NORTH OF THE RESERVES AT THE FAIRWAY PARCEL NUMBER PIECE 70 0 3 9 1 0 0 0 5 7 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP CASE DDP 22 DASH 20 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 3RD, 2022.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MS. VARGOS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. OP.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. SORROW.
SO THE NEXT STEPS, THE APPLICANT TO REVISE, UH, THE VARIOUS, UH, PLANS, UM, ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONS, UH, AND THEN SUBMIT THEM FOR CITY APPROVAL AND WE WILL ISSUE PERMITS, UH, I THINK BECAUSE OF PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COMMISSION ACTION YESTERDAY, THERE MAY BE A SLIGHT DELAY ON, IN ACTUALLY ISSUING THE PERMITS, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'LL, THE TIMING WILL WORK OUT BY THE TIME YOU GET THE, UM, REVISIONS BACK TO US AND REVIEWED.
SO, UM, OTHERWISE YEAH, MOVE FORWARD.
UH, UNDER ADDITIONAL BUSINESS IS A INFORMAL REVIEW WORK SESSION, MAJOR D OR I'M SORRY, MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THERE, THERE IS NO PRESENTATION.
I WAS JUST GOING TO TURN THAT OFF.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THESE PEOPLE TO MOVE ON OUT SO WE CAN TALK.
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HE BE GOOD AT EVEN CHICKEN.SO, UM, JUST, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THIS INFORMAL REVIEW OF A CHANGE IN A MAJOR CHANGE TO, UH, A, UH, APPROVED, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF, UM, TAYLORSVILLE AND THE OLD TROY PIKE.
YOU KNOW, AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S UNDERWAY.
SO, UH, BETH AND HER TEAM IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT A CHANGE OF, OF USE, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FROM THE, FROM THE BANK AND MEDICAL USE TO A, UH, RESTAURANT FEELING STATION AND A CAR CARWASH.
SO I'LL JUST TURN THAT OVER TO, TO HER.
BEFORE YOU START, CAN YOU GUARANTEE THE PRICE ON THE GAS WILL BE THIS, THAT YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, MY NAME IS BETH COTTONER, I'M THE DEVELOPER FOR THE, UM, SHEETS.
UM, AS, UM, AARON ALLUDED, WE'RE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE APPROVED, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT.
ORIGINALLY, IT WAS TO BE SEPARATE AS THREE PARCELS, ONE BEING A BANK ONE THEY HAD NOT IDENTIFIED A USE FOR, AND THEN ONE FOR A POTENTIAL MEDICAL USE.
THEY'VE JUST RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THEIR, UM, THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO DAYTON AND BRING INSIGHTS TO DATE AND DUE TO THE OVERWHELMING SUCCESS THAT THEY'RE HAVING IN COLUMBUS.
SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT SHEETS.
THEY ARE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY.
HI, I'M HEADQUARTERED OUT OF ALTOONA, PENNSYLVANIA.
THEY OPERATE IN SIX STATES AND THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 500, 515, DEPENDING UPON THE DAY.
UM, THERE'S MANY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN COLUMBUS.
SO, UM, OPERATING, THEY ARE, YES, THEY ARE A 24 7 RESTAURANT WHO JUST HAPPENS TO SELL FUEL.
THEY'RE ALSO, UM, HAVE A LOT OF GRABBING GO IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEY STARTED AS A DAIRY STORE.
SO THEY STARTED THEIR BUSINESS AS A CONVENIENCE STORE FOR THE PUBLIC.
IT'S JUST GROWN INTO NOW SELLING FUEL.
THE SITE WILL ALSO HAVE A CARWASH AND, UM, INDOOR SEATING IN THE RESTAURANT.
THEY IT'S A 30 TO 35 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
THEY DEFINITELY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY.
THEY WANT PEOPLE TO, LIKE I SAID, FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT, WONDERFUL BENEFITS FOR THE EMPLOYEES, UM, MADE TO ORDER FOOD.
SO, SO WE SUBMITTED OUR CHANGE TO THE USE AS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THE RE YOU KNOW, IN SPEAKING WITH ERIN IN ORDER TO GAIN THE SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. JEFFRIES? I'M SORRY, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
OH, MY CATS TOLEDO WITH BROAD REACH.
UH, HOPEFULLY NICE TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CHANGE, UH, IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PG PROCESS THAT WE SUPPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THIS IS, UM, A GREAT USE FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, AND MOST OF ALL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND AS WE'VE BEEN IN HERE, A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE USERS AND SHEETS BEING ONE OF THEM THAT WANT TO BE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AN HONOR FOR US TO LIKE EXPLORE THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH THEM TO COME TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT WE FULLY SUPPORT THEM, UH, IN, IN THIS CHANGE.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS A CARWASH, JUST A MATTER OF FEET AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY? YES, WE ARE.
UM, THE CAR WASH, ISN'T A DEAL BREAKER.
WE SHE'S WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE USES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE IT FOR.
WE'VE WE HAVE CHANGED OUR, UM, SITE PLAN A BIT FOR THE CARWASH SO THAT ALL OF THE STACKING, CAUSE I,
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I BELIEVE STACKING IS DEFINITELY CONCERN IS ON THE SITE.SO IT'LL SURROUND THE BUILDING.
THE CAR FOR SHEETS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT'S ALREADY HERE.
IT'S NOT A RUN-THROUGH, IT'S A ONE CAR DOOR SHUT.
THERE'S NO PERSON STANDING OUT THERE TO OPERATE IT.
UM, WE'VE WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PLENTY OF LANDSCAPING TO BUFFER BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE CARWASH, TO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT SITS BESIDE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND US AND THE VACUUMS WE'VE ADJUSTED THOSE AND PUT THOSE BETWEEN THE CARWASH AND THE, THE MAIN SITE TO CUT DOWN ON THAT NOISE AS WELL.
AND THE ENTRANCE INTO THIS WILL BE OFF OF TAYLORVILLE TAYLORSVILLE OR OFF OF, UH, OLD TROY.
SO WE, WE DID NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE ACCESS DRIVES THAT WERE APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BROAD, BROAD REACH HAS GOTTEN APPROVED.
UM, WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO OUR SITE FITS FITS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE, UM, OF THE ACCESS ROADS THAT ARE THERE.
THE ENTRANCE TO THE CARWASH IS OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE, TAYLORSVILLE, SORRY.
UM, HEY, THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
SHEETZ IS FAMILY OWNED IS FAMILY.
SO ONE FAMILY OWNS ALL 501 SHEET.
ONE FAMILY OWNS ALL 500 NONE, NOT A FRANCHISE.
AND IF YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, IT'S A LITTLE INTERESTING TIP.
IF YOU WANT TO OWN A FRANCHISE, YOU'VE GOT TO MARRY OR BE BORN INTO THE FAMILY.
SO COULD, COULD YOU, UM, YEAH, SAY IT AGAIN HERE.
ARE WE ADDING A CURB CUT OR JUST ALL THE EXISTING, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONS OR CUTS THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE EXISTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY BROAD REACH THESE PARCELS TO BE THREE, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL COMBINE THE LOTS TO ONE WITH AN ACCESS DRIVE THROUGH IT.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE CURB CUTS BACK WHEN BROADREACH CAME BEFORE US BEFORE WITH THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO WERE SO CLOSED AND THEY'RE RIGHT INTO THE QUOTE TURN LANE.
AND I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW THAT SECOND CAR CUT, WHICH SECOND WE WERE DOING, THE ONE THAT WAS DOWN CLOSE TO THE APARTMENTS, THE OUTSIDE, NOT, BUT NOT THE OTHER ONE.
UM, CAUSE THAT, THAT IS NOT THAT BIG OF AN AREA TO HAVE TO, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXITS, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT THERE TOGETHER ON, IN, INTO A TURN MINE OF ALL THINGS.
UM, I QUESTIONED THE, THE USE OF THAT.
WHAT DID WE DECIDE ON THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED ON MONTHS AGO, CORRECT.
SO THIS WAS IN MAY OF 21, UM, THAT, THAT THE EXISTING ENTRANCES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE PREVIOUS USES.
SO THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY OF THE, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE LARGER SITE CIRCULATION AT ALL.
THE USES ARE OBVIOUSLY CHANGING, BUT THE ACCESS POINTS HAVE NOT OKAY, CORRECT.
THIS APPEARS TO BE A CURB RIGHT HERE.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT GET THIS UNTIL WE GOT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, PERSONALLY I'D NEVER HEARD OF THEM AND I REALLY LIKED TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THEM AND THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES AND SO FORTH.
UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TIME TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT.
UM, I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT CARWASH.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S DIFFERENT AND THAT IS COMFORTING TO ME AS A RESIDENT.
I DO KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IN THIS WHOLE AREA IS HORRENDOUS.
UM, IT'S UM, AND THE CARWASH DURING CERTAIN SEASONS, UM, OVER AT THE OTHER CAR WASH, THERE ARE, THERE'S ONLY THREE LANES, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT THERE ARE TIMES THERE'S FOUR LANES THAT PEOPLE JUST MAKE AND IT IS AS DANGEROUS AS IT CAN BE.
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AND THAT'S, I DON'T, UM, I GUESS I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CARWASH.WELL, YOU KNOW, OUR HOPE IS REALLY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS BY BRINGING THOSE PEOPLE OVER TO US.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER AND WE UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO NOT BRING NEW TRAFFIC, BUT CAPTURE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S HERE.
SO SHEETZ IS NOT A DESTINATION IT'S WE WANT PEOPLE GOING TO WORK, STOPPING BUYING FOOD, GETTING GAS, COMING HOME, DOING THE EXACT SAME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THERE WITH OUR LAYOUT, SO, OKAY.
AND YOU SAID SHEETZ IS NOT A DESTINATION, BUT YET IT'S AN IN SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, IT'S MORE OF A CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEY DO HAVE INDOOR SEATING AND I HAVE SOME GREAT PICTURES THAT I CAN SHOW ALSO, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 35 SEATS, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FORMAL SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT.
IT'S MORE, UM, GO ORDER YOUR FOOD.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY ACTUALLY, WE'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION POSE REALLY FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ELECTRIC CARS COULD REALLY TURN INTO A THING HERE, RIGHT? SO SHEETZ IS A CONVENIENCE OR THERE, THEY WANT TO BE CONVENIENT TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE CHARGING YOUR ELECTRIC CAR STATION, YOU CAN BE ABLE TO GO IN, USE THE RESTROOM, ORDER, SOME FOOD, SIT DOWN FOR A MINUTE AND THEN GET BACK ON THE ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A FULL, IT'S A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT.
IT'S NOT A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
IT'S MORE CASUAL, FAST FOOD TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT TO SIT DOWN, EAT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET BACK ON THE ROAD.
WELL, WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE IN MIND, AS YOU WERE MENTIONING WITHIN, I'D SAY 700 FEET, THERE IS A NET, GOOD IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE THAT SEEMS AWFUL CLOSE TO HAVE THE IDEA OF ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE, UM, THAT, UM, JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
WELL, WE, YOU KNOW, THE USE IS, I WOULD SAY THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT HERE, IT'S DEFINITELY, THERE'S JUST PEOPLE THAT WILL COME, RIGHT.
SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHEETZ IS HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THEY'RE REALLY, THEY REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE REALIZED THERE'S COMPETITION OUT THERE.
WE REALIZED THERE'S OTHER PLACES PEOPLE CAN GO, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE WILL SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEEDS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE THERE.
THAT'S WHY MY DAD, I HAD DAVID DROPPING MY OVER SHEETS.
AH, VERY NICE TO MEET YOU ALL.
UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT SHEETS, UH, I'VE WORKED FOR ANOTHER FAMILY BUSINESS.
UM, YOU MAY KNOW PART OF THEM, IT'S MIKE'S CREW CARWASH.
UM, GREAT FAMILY RUN, WELL OPERATED BUSINESS SHEETS IS EVEN BETTER.
IT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE HOW THE FAMILY HAS TAKEN A BUSINESS OF, OF LITERALLY A RESTAURANT AND TURN IT INTO THE CLEANEST BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE BEST BUILT BUILDINGS, VERY WELL-MAINTAINED WHEN YOU COME ONTO ONE OF OUR NEW SITES, IT'S VERY AWESOME.
I WOULD LOVE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO COME OUT TO COLUMBUS.
TAKE A LOOK AT ONE OF OUR SITES.
THERE'S ONE ON THE WEST SIDE AND HILLIARD.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME OUT AND SEE WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.
UM, CULTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT SHEETS, UM, WHEN WE BRING PEOPLE IN, IT'S LIKE BRINGING THEM INTO OUR FAMILY.
AND, UH, EVEN JUST AS LOW, YOU KNOW, THE ASSOCIATES THAT WORK AT THE STORE, THEY COME IN AND WE GIVE THEM LIKE 40 PLUS HOURS OF TRAINING BEFORE THEY EVEN STEP INTO A STORE.
UM, WE REALLY DO PUT A LOT OF VALUE INTO OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO, UM, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, COME ON OUT TO COLUMBUS, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU AND UH, WE'LL GET YOU A SANDWICH.
I DO LIKE THE, UM, THE BRICK FACADE ON THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING LOOK LOOKS VERY NICE.
AND I'M SORRY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY VOTING ON ANYTHING.
YOU GOT TIME TO GET YOUR SANDWICH FIRST.
LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU IN THE AREA SOMEWHERE IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT ON THE ENTRY EXIT, THE FARTHEST EAST CUT.
I KNOW AT ONE POINT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT HAD A DEDICATED, LEFT, DEDICATED RIGHT OUT.
I WOULD SAY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT LEFT TURN WILL BOTTLE ON A TRAFFIC IN THERE.
I MEAN, WE, WE LIVE HERE AND FIGHT THAT CORNER PLENTY.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC IS OVERLOADED ALREADY, AS FAR AS THAT
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GOES.UM, AS FAR AS MY CONCERNS, I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T BE SURPRISED.
I MEAN, WE WERE VERY CLEAR IN THE APPROVALS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FAST FOOD THAT WE WERE KEPT AT THE TWO ALREADY THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE OKAY, PUTTING A THIRD FAST FOOD DRIVE-THROUGH IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND I GUESS TO ME, THERE'S NO COMPARISON IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FROM THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT WE'VE LOST TO WHAT WE'D BE PICKING UP AND ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON AND THE JOBS FROM MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND THE BANKS.
UM, SO, AND I MIGHT BE, I GUESS, MORE OF A QUESTION FOR, FOR BROAD REACH, I GUESS, ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE OTHERS, BECAUSE WE APPROVED THE CHASE PLAN SIX MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND THEN NOW WE'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY CARE CENTER EMERGENCY CENTER ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUYING 1.1 ACRES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD SAID, THEY'D LIKE TO GET ANOTHER QUARTER ACRE.
AND THIS CARWASH IS SITTING ON 1.395 ACRES, WHICH IS RIGHT AT EXACTLY WHAT THE MEDICAL CENTER SAID THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
UM, JUST MY OWN PERSONAL CURIOSITY, BUT I CARWASH DRIVE THROUGH FAST FOOD, BIG SIGNS ON THE CORNER, BIG MONUMENT SIGN.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I'M GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN IT COMES BACK THROUGH, JUST SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE VOTED ON TO THIS.
AS FAR AS A BUSINESS, A TRAFFIC FLOW, WHAT IT BRINGS TO THE AREA, AGAIN, NOTHING AGAINST SHEETS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THEM.
YOU GUYS ARE EXPANDING TO THE DAYTON MARKET.
I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF YOU AROUND IT, AROUND THE AREA, NOT JUST THIS ONE LOCATION.
I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR JEFFRIES AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO LOOK FOR A VOTE WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS AS WE DID WHEN WE INITIALLY CAME HERE, UH, WITH THE, WHAT, THE FIRST TIME THAT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE MEDICAL USER HASN'T KNOCKED ON OUR DOOR TO BUY A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M NOT HERE TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THEY HAVE OR WHY THEY HAVEN'T.
UM, I JUST KNOW THEY HAVE NOT KNOCKED ON OUR DOOR.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE.
IT FITS WITHIN THE ZONING THAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE SITE.
UM, I DON'T RECALL WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU'LL READ THAT WE PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF YOU, YOUR FAST FOOD USERS THAT WERE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE CAME IN HERE WITH KNOWING WHAT IT WAS A COMMERCIAL SITE AND WHAT USES WERE ALLOWED UNDER THAT PARTICULAR ZONING.
UM, WE HAD THREE PARCELS, ONE WAS, UH, A BANK WHICH HAD DRIVE-THRU.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF BANKS LOOK LIKE AS BANKS GO DIGITAL.
UM, I KNOW PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME I STEPPED IN A BANK.
SO AS THIS OPPORTUNITY CAME TO US, WE FELT THAT BETTER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT LONG-TERM THAT THIS ACTUALLY SERVED THE NEED.
AS BETH MENTIONED FOR THE FUTURE WHERE WE'RE GOING, AS YOU KNOW, LOCALLY AS A COUNTRY ELECTRIC CARS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GAS PRICES, RIGHT? AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A LONGER TERM VIABILITY FOR THE PROPERTY VERSUS A BANK AND REALLY TWO UNKNOWN USERS THAT WE HAVE NEVER PRESENTED HERE.
WE HAD USES, BUT NO USERS AND, UH, THEY WERE NOT KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR.
I ALSO WANT TO ADD, UM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH SHEETS THAT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR SITE PLAN, THAT THE ACCESS POINTS NEED TO STAY THE SAME THERE'S MOVEMENTS OUT OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS CAN NOT CHANGE.
AND WE HAVE NO INTENTION IN CHANGING ANY OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PLANNED FOR THE SITE.
AND I WILL GO ON RECORD SAYING THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NO, I'M SURE WHAT MORE? I'M SURE I'M MORE WHEN THE TIME COME DOWN.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'M I'M I KNOW WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL AS FAR AS, NO MORE THAN TWO QUICK SERVE, BUT IT WAS PRESENTED AS THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES I REMEMBER US DISCUSSING THE CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING MORE FAST FOOD DRIVE-THROUGHS OVER THERE.
I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WAS A CLEAR CONCERN BACK THEN.
UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM JUST LOCAL NOISE FROM THE RESIDENTS, WHEN YOU HEAR A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE CORNER THAT TENDS TO GENERATE AT LEAST IN MY EYES MORE TRAFFIC.
I, AND I SEE, I MEAN, WITH WHAT MS. HOP WAS SAYING, WE'VE GOT ONE GO IN RIGHT UP HERE.
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FEET AWAY.GO DOWN TO RAY'S DRIVE THROUGH MAYBE A THOUSAND FEET AWAY.
GOT THE MARATHON, BP KROGER ALREADY THERE WITHIN ANOTHER WAS F WHAT THOUSAND FEET MAYBE.
SO, I MEAN, FROM, JUST FROM A NET REVENUE STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE A GAIN.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE ALL PILLAGING FROM EACH OTHER AT THAT POINT FROM, FROM REVENUE.
SO, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S AND I THINK WE SAID THIS DURING ONE OF SOME OF OUR INITIAL PRESENTATIONS, WE RELY ON THESE GUYS AS THE EXPERTS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF TSHEETS MODEL OF MAKING MONEY AT THAT INTERSECTION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THIS GROUP AS WITH ALL OF THE RETAILERS ON THAT SITE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEIR MODEL IS GOING TO WORK.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON OF WHY CHASE BANK IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF THEIR MODEL WOULD WORK OR THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT HERE.
SO THEY WALKED FROM THE DEAL, THEY ARE NOT HERE ANYMORE.
UM, THAT THEY CHOSE TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
WE HAD NO AGREEMENT WITH THEM DURING THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COME ALONG AND WE GO FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL THERE FOR LONGTERM, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS THERE, I, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, THINGS HAPPEN WITH OTHER TENANTS, IF THEY ALL AREN'T TOGETHER, BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S GO DARK CLAUSES AND ALL TYPES OF THINGS IN LEASES THAT KNOW THEN PROHIBIT US FROM GETTING OUR REVENUE.
UH, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, SHEETS SELLS MADE TO ORDER FOOD AND, YOU KNOW, MILK AND BREAD.
AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THEIR STORES, WE SELL AND RENT LAND.
AND IF I DON'T GET REVENUE FROM THAT LAND, THEN MY BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THESE GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE SUCCESSFUL HERE, UM, AND, AND BE HERE FOR A TERM.
SO CAN I ASK THEM WHEN CHASE WALKED, SINCE THE BANK WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSALS ALL THE WAY THROUGH HOW MANY OTHER BANKS DID YOU GUYS REACH OUT TO? UM, I DO REACH OUT TO ANY DO NOT FEEL THE NEED TO, WE HAVE A GREAT USER HERE IN FRONT OF US, ABSOLUTELY QUICKLY CAR CARWASH OR NOT THE CAR WASH THE DRIVE-THRU, UM, COUPLE OF GREAT THINGS ABOUT OUR DRIVE-THRU.
UM, IT IS TOUCH POINT ORDERING.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VOLUME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NOBODY'S COMMUNICATING OUT THERE.
UH, IT'S REALLY GOOD SERVICE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME ORDER POINT THAT THEY WOULD USE INSIDE THE STORE TO ORDER THEIR FOOD.
UM, SO IT'S VERY CONVENIENT THAT WAY.
AND THE OTHER THING I'M GOING TO POINT OUT ABOUT OUR DRIVE-THROUGH IS IT IS ONLY ABOUT 10%, NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU GO INTO OUR FOOD OVERALL MADE TO ORDER FOOD SALES, UM, THEY WILL PULL THINGS OUT OF THE COOLERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM THE CONVENIENCE STORE UPON REQUEST, BUT IT REALLY IS ONLY ABOUT 10% OR OUR VOLUME.
UH, DO, BUT, UM, I'M SORRY, THE NAME SKIPPED MY MIC.
WHEN, BACK IN THE VERY BEGINNING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU, YOUR COMPANY ALSO WAS INVOLVED WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF, OR MANAGEMENT OR SOMETHING OF THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHERE KROGER'S AND THEM ARE, ARE AD.
WE USED TO OWN THAT SHOPPING CENTER YOU USED.
WE NO LONGER, WE HAVE NOT OWNED THAT FOR PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO YEARS.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT MEDICAL WAS GOING.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IS THE MEDICAL GOING IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE UNUSED PORTION OF THE RURAL KING.
WE DID NOT OWN THAT PARCEL WITH THE ROYAL KING THAT IS OWNED BY A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITY THEN I LEARNED THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MIKE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, AND THIS IS JUST FOR MY CURIOSITY.
I, YOU SAID THAT IT APPEARED IN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU HAVE NOT GONE OUT AND LOOKED FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY, EVERYONE, THAT YOU HAVE HAS COME TO YOU.
SO ON MY QUESTION IS HAVE YOU SOUGHT OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES OR HAVE YOU, IS THAT SUCH A POPULAR LOCATION THAT ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO COME KNOCK ON
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YOUR DOOR? NO, WE, WE MARKETED THE SITE, UH, VERY EARLY ON, UH, AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY, UM, BUT, UM, I WILL SAY THAT SHEETZ CAME TO US AND SHE'S CALLED US AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME COMMUNITY.YOU KNOW, WE GO TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT TRADE SHOWS TOGETHER AND WE'RE RETAILERS AND RETAIL DEVELOPERS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE, UM, AND SHEETS TALK TO US, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OTHER BROKERS IN THE MARKET.
AND WE STARTED GOING DOWN THE PATH WITH THOSE GUYS AND WE FELT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WORKED WELL WITH THE OTHER USERS AND IT WORKED WELL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE PATIENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET AT THEIR LOCATION.
SO IN THE MARKETING THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE MOST SUCCESS THAT YOU'VE HAD IS IN THESE TRADE SHOWS TYPE SITUATIONS.
I, I DON'T, THE ANSWER IS IT'S BEEN A MULTIFACETED EFFORT THAT WE HAVE DONE TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY TO FIND USERS.
UH, AND WE HAVE GONE TO USERS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MEDICAL, TO COMMERCIAL USERS, UM, ALL WHICH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT USES, WHETHER IT'S BANKS, RESTAURANTS, NAIL SALONS, UM, YOU KNOW, COFFEE SHOPS, UM, YOU'RE SEEING THAT DIVERSE MISC IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE THERE AND WHAT'S THE CALM IN THE MULTI-STORY BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THE 11,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WAS APPROVED.
THAT WILL BE A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.
WHICH ONE IS THE FOR, FOR MY, THE MULTI-STORY BUILDING IS, OR THE MULTI-TENANT BUILDING BUILDING.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS, TYING TO THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT IF THIS HAPPENED TO PROGRESS, WOULD THERE BE A COMMITMENT THEN THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE MORE FOOD SERVICE TOSSED INTO THAT BUILDING ALSO? NO, NO COMMITMENT, NO, I CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT TONIGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO FOOD IN THAT BUILDING.
WE COULD HAVE THE DUNKIN, THE POPEYE'S, THIS ONE THAT WAS JUST FRESH MADE TO ORDER, BUT FAST FOOD PLUS ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THAT CONTAINED AREA, YOU COULD, I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT WAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALLOWED BY ZONING AND, UM, AS LONG AS WE MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE CITY AND WE MEET THINGS THAT WE AGREE TO, I THINK, YEAH, I COULD NOT SIT HERE TONIGHT AND SAY, THERE WOULDN'T BE MORE FOOD IN THERE.
JUST ONE THING OF CLARIFICATION.
I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF THE USE, WHETHER YOU'RE GETTING CHECKS OR HAMBURGERS, UM, THERE WERE FOUR DRIVE USES, UM, PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
SO ONE, THE BANK HAD A DRIVE THROUGH AS WELL, BUT OBVIOUSLY AT DIFFERENT VOLUMES OF JUST ACTUALLY THE FOURTH ONE WAS LABELED DRIVE UP RETAIL WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT.
THAT'S THE ONE ON THE END CAP OF THE MULTI-TENANT.
IT LOOKS LIKE A DRIVE-THRU I UNDERSTAND.
BUT TO ME THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DRIVE UP RETAIL AND DRIVE THROUGH FOOD.
UH, FROM A VOLUME STANDPOINT, I WOULD SAY, SORRY.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION I WOULD THROW OUT, I GUESS, FROM, FOR, FOR, WELL, I GUESS THE WEB DISCUSSION ON OUR END.
SO I HANDLE THAT AT THE END THEN WITH YOU GUYS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS IT THE PLANNING, COMMISSION IT FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROPERTY? UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS IN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE CODE AND HOW MAYBE AARON, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT FOR US IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE SITE DESIGN, I UNDERSTAND THE FLOW, UH, ANY BUFFERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, ACCESS POINTS WERE CRITICAL THING THAT WE ALL WORKED ON, AND I'VE ALREADY SAID HERE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE NOT CHANGING.
UM, YOU'LL PUT IN TERMS OF THE USES, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY, HOW DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION VIEW THAT OR ANY MORE, YOU KNOW, AND THE CITY ADDRESS THAT? WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR, FOR STAFF IN THAT.
UM, THE WAY THE DECISION RECORD WAS WRITTEN, UH, THIS USE IS A PERMITTED USE ON THE SITE, MR. JEFFRIES.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THE COMMISSION IS
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BEFORE VOTING, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE HERE I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND IF THAT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT'S FINE.UM, BUT WHEN WE WERE VOTING ON A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS FAR FROM IT, WHY IT'S CALLED A MAJOR CHANGE, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM LEGAL.
IF WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES OR NOT, BECAUSE THE PUD, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE CAN BE MORE OR LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN STANDARD.
UM, ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION I WOULD WANT TO SEE, I BELIEVE IT'S WHAT 70, NO MORE THAN 75% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND SO WITH THE CHANGES FROM THE DISCOUNT TIRE WHERE WE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE WITH THE PARKING CHANGED THE OTHER DAY, AND THEN WITH THIS, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HAVE THAT REVISIT IT AS WELL.
WELL, ONE THING THAT CERTAINLY WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A RE THAT'S.
MY BIG CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING THAT HADN'T ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
AND LET ME JUST, BEFORE I FORGET, I WANT TO TELL YOU, I LOVE YOUR BUILDING WITH, WITH THE HUB, ALL BRICK WRAP.
IT'S VERY PRETTY, IF IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS, IT VERY MUCH SO.
AND I WAS WHEN TO REITERATE, WE ARE NOT CHANGING ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO IT, NOTHING ABOUT THAT IS CHANGING Y'ALL.
AND WE, WE SPOKE TO ERIN BEFORE THIS AND THE CITY WE EVEN WENT AS FAR AS THIS, NOT BEING A MAJOR CHANGE BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, THREE POTENTIAL USERS DOWN TO ONE USER, UH, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE ACCESS POINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OR ASKING FOR ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT DISUSE AS, YOU KNOW, FIT, ARGUABLY BE, YOU KNOW, LESS OR EQUAL IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC TO THE SITE.
SO THIS IS, OR IS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE.
SO THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, THE TWO, THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS TO HEAD DOWN.
SO, UM, THEY CAN DO A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE, UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE CHASE BANK WAS APPROVED FOR THAT SITE AS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR ESSENTIALLY START OVER AND GO FOR JUST A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
YOU SEE, YOU HEAR IT AND THE DECISION STOPS HERE EITHER WAY.
SO ON MY SIDE, THEN ONE, IF THE DECISION STOPS HERE, I ABSOLUTELY WANT A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE VOTE.
SO WE DON'T RUN INTO ANOTHER SITUATION.
I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD GO TO COUNCIL EITHER WAY AFTER US, BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO COUNCIL, THEN I DEFINITELY WANT LEGAL INPUT.
I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND IT BE CHANGED TO A BASIC PLAN AND SENT TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR A MAJOR CHANGE THAT GOES TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION EITHER.
HOWEVER, IT GOES, BECAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AS BIG AS IT IS, AS FAR AS THE FOCUS AND THE LOCATION FOR THIS TO COME STRICTLY TO THIS VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE AND NEVER GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WHERE COUNCIL HAS MORE INFORMATION THAN WE DO, PLUS THE LEGAL OPINION IN THE ROOM.
SO IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENTION TO DO THAT.
SAY THAT AGAIN, TO GO TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I, THAT'S NOT THE PATH THAT I WAS HEADING DOWN, BUT IF THAT'S THE PATH YOU WANT TO GO DOWN, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE OR RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S, I UNDERSTOOD IT THAT WAY AS WELL THAT WE WOULD GO TO COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED FROM A MINOR TO A MAJOR.
SO THEN WE WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION VOTE WHEN WE VOTE INSTEAD OF AN APPROVAL VOTE, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE APPLICANT WANTS TO HEAD DOWN THAT PATH.
AND THAT IS CORRECT, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THEN TO, UH, COUNSEL.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU GUYS, BUT AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, WE'RE OPEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE CAME HERE TONIGHT WAS TO ABOUT IT, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, NOT ASKING FOR A VOTE.
UM, WE WANTED TO HEAR SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS SO THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY THEN TO GO BACK AND POSSIBLY AN ADDRESS WHAT WE CAN AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR SITE PLAN, UM, AND WE'RE OPEN, UM, YOU KNOW, TO A PATH, UM, THAT MAKES SURE THAT WE TRY OUR BEST TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, UH, UNDER WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS OUR RIGHTS UNDER OUR DEVELOPMENT LAND, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT PROHIBITS YOU, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND THAT MAJOR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CHANGE
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TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND SORT OF SECOND APPROVAL THAT ALSO THOUGH IS IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, BUT I GUESS WHAT'S WHAT IS THE COMMISSIONS? THIS IS REALLY A NEGOTIATION OR WELL, WHAT'S YOUR INTENT TO DO A BASIC AND DETAILED AND ONE, ONE MEETING BASIC IN DETAIL TOGETHER, ORTHIS IS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS EITHER A CHANGE, THE MAJOR CHANGE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR JUST A SUBMISSION OF A NEW DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THE ZONING, WHILE THE USES WERE IDENTIFIED, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE DECISION ORDER BASICALLY ALLOWS A WHOLE ARRAY OF USES.
SO UNLESS THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS ARE CHANGING, UM, MAJOR UTILITIES ARE CHANGING OR USES THAT WERE NOT APPROVED.
IT, IT BASICALLY BECOMES A CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED VERSUS A MAJOR CHANGE.
SO THE BASIC IS THE ENTIRE PARCEL, CORRECT? THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
IT SOUNDS THAT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD BE CHANGED.
THAT WAS FOR THAT HEART, FOR THAT CHASE SITE.
AND THERE WAS NEVER A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE TWO OTHER PARCELS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ROLL IT INTO ONE.
BUT AGAIN, IF I'M GETTING DIRECTION FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN A DIFFERENT MANNER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I CAN CERTAINLY HEAD DOWN THAT PATH AS WELL, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, AS I TALK OUT LOUD, UH, LET ME, LET ME CHECK IN WITH, UH, JERRY MCDONALD, THE CITY ATTORNEY, GET HIS INPUT.
UH, AND THEN I CAN RELAY THAT TO THE TWO PARTIES ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THE BEST APPROACH IS.
BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT BETWEEN TWO ATTORNEYS, CORRECT? YEAH.
I CAN TELL YOU, I PERSONALLY WOULD WANT THIS TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, EVEN IF, IF IT'S JUST TO CHECK A BOX.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY THINK IS COMING AND FOR US TO ROLL IT THROUGH HERE AND SURPRISED IT NEVER EVEN GETS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
ONE, I JUST THINK WOULD BE DISRESPECTFUL TO THEM IN THE ROLE THAT THEY'RE IN AND LIVE QUESTIONS AND CALLS THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEM.
AND KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY KNOW IT NEEDS TO GET IN FRONT OF THEM.
I FEEL THAT THAT'S MY OPINION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE I AGREE? OKAY.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
THEN THAT'S PROBABLY THE PATH WE SHOULD TAKE.
THERE WAS NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
I HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY, I SHOULDN'T SAY I SAY DIFFERENTLY.
I HAVE VERY TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT NOT A LOT OF THEM, UH, THAT IS NOT THE PLACE FOR HERE.
SO I'LL, I'LL REACH BACK WITH YOU ON THE SITE PLAN ITEMS OKAY.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS A WORK SESSION FOR US.
WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTAND THE PATH, UM, AND HEAR THE CONCERNS, UH, AND CHILD, YOU KNOW, TO ALLEVIATE AS MANY AS WE CAN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER SIDE? THANK YOU.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS NUMBER EIGHT B THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, I SPENT THE LAST WEEK IN SAN DIEGO AT THE APA CONFERENCE.
SO I'M UNPREPARED FOR THIS CONVERSATION, UNPREPARED, UNPREPARED, UM, BUT I WILL BE PREPARED FOR IT FOR NEXT WEEK.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIGHT, UH, AGENDA.
WE HAD OUR FIRST KICKOFF MEETING WITH A STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, I DO WANT YOU TO START THINKING ABOUT IN BROAD TERMS, 30,000 FEET KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU SEE YOUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF HUBER HEIGHTS OVER THE NEXT 20, 25 YEARS? UM, IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE TO YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR COLLEAGUES, UM, WHAT HUBER HEIGHTS IS OR WHAT THE IDEAL
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HUBER HEIGHTS IS.UM, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF VISION STATEMENTS I'M LOOKING FOR FROM, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THOSE ASPIRATIONAL IDEAS.
I WANT TO SPEND LESS TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DID WRONG AND MORE TIME ABOUT HOW WE DO IT RIGHT.
SO THAT WILL BE THE MAJOR THRUST OF THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE A PACKED AGENDA.
AND I DO NEED THE PLANS FOR SHEETS TO STAY HERE AS WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THE BACK ON THE SCHEDULE, WE'LL MEET THOSE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR APRIL 12TH AND APRIL 28TH, 2022 WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT ANY, UH, OPPOSITION AND HEARING NONE.
THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
UM, SO WE MAY OR MAY NOT KNIT, LET ME START OVER.
UH, WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, A, UH, A REZONING OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA FROM, UH, AGRICULTURE TO, UH, PLANT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, UH, IT'S OFF OF, UH, TAYLORSVILLE.
SO YEAH, WAY EAST SIDE OF, OF THE CITY, UM, THAT, UH, HAS BEEN DENIED A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR VARIANCES THROUGH BZA.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW, UM, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING, WHICH IS AUTO REPAIR, UM, TO BE A PERMITTED USE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES TO WORK THROUGH THE APPLICATION'S INCOMPLETE.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET A COMPLETE APPLICATION BACK TO US IN TIME, WE'LL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
UM, THAT'S IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'M MISSING? OKAY.
THERE'LL BE A FINAL PLAT, UH, UP IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
UM, I ANTICIPATE IF THEY GET IT ON TO US ON TIME, THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OTHER PLATS THAT, THAT HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, I'VE SIGNED A COUPLE OF MINOR PLATS THAT HAD NO REASON TO COME HERE.
NO DEDICATION OF PUBLIC LAND OR RIGHT AWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
MOSTLY JUST CONSOLIDATIONS OF SMALL LOTS.
SO WE LOOK LIKE WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON MAY 24TH, RIGHT? YUP.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THE ALMIGHTY PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTION QUESTION FOR AARON.
SO WITH BROAD REACH, THAT JUST LAUGHED WHEN THEY SAID, WHEN, WHAT THEY PROPOSED AND TOLD US WE WERE VOTING ON, FELL THROUGH, THEY DIDN'T TRY TO REPLICATE WHAT WE HAD VOTED ON AND APPROVED.
THEY JUST TOOK WHOEVER CALLED THEM.
IS THAT TYPICAL IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? OR? CAUSE TO ME, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHAT WAS THE EASIEST WAY FOR ME TO FILL THIS HOLE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FILL WHAT I TOLD THE CITY THEY WERE GETTING.
SO THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF, AS HE SAID, DEVELOPING AND WRITING THE LAND, SO CORRECT.
IT COMES TO THEM THAT STILL WAS WITHIN THE ZONING, UM, UH, PARAMETERS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT'S UNLESS IT'S JUST A DETRIMENTAL LAND USE THAT THEY THINK WILL IMPACT THE SURROUNDING LANDS THAT THEY JUST SOLD OR ARE CURRENTLY LEASING.
THEY'LL GO WITH, HONESTLY, THE FIRST PEOPLE THROUGH THE DOOR THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE, WE APPROVED A, ALREADY APPROVED A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A BANK AT THAT LOCATION.
AREN'T WE ALLOWED TO SAY WE'RE NOT CHANGING.
NO, NO, BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING PERMITTED USES ARE STILL THIS AND LIST.
SO A DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND BAIT AND SWITCH THE WHOLE THING THEN BASICALLY, I MEAN, THEY CAN, THEY COULD NEVER HAVE HAD ANY INTENT OF NANNY THING, BUT A GAS STATION ON THIS CORNER AND GOT THE YES AND CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR MORE LEGALLY AND THE CITY CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT AS A RESIDENT OR THE CITY ITSELF.
SO IF THE, IF THE UNDERLYING ZONING PERMITTED A GAS STATION AND THEY WERE PROPOSING A BANK AND THE BANK FELL THROUGH, REGARDLESS OF THEIR INTENTION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO READ INTO THEIR INTENTION.
NO I'M SAYING THAT I'M SAYING ANY, NOT JUST THAT ANY DEVELOPER COULD SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A MEDICAL CENTER HERE AND THEN COME BACK LATER.
AND HERE'S YOUR PLAN FOR A GAS STATION INSTEAD, BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE NOT THIS ONE, I'M SAYING THERE'S NOTHING TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM NONSENSE LIKE THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS BROKEN WELL.
SO I MEAN, WHAT THE PROTECTION IS BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, DEVELOP DEALS FALL THROUGH ALL THAT.
THE PROTECTION IS THAT YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN AND TRY TO MITIGATE, UM, ANY ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT COULD ARISE THROUGH THIS NEW USE
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THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, THAT MAY BE EQUAL LESS OR MORE INTENSIVE THAN THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED USE.I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT THE, UH, RESTAURANT CONVENIENCE STORE DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, A MUCH HIGHER INTENSITY USE THAN THE BANK THAT WAS PROPOSED THERE IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY HAD FAILING TRAFFIC STUDIES.
SO ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT I WANT TO TALK TO THEM AFTER THE FACT IS I FOUND THE, I FOUND THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE.
UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD NOT CALL IT NECESSARILY A TRAFFIC STUDY.
EH, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT.
UH, AND I WANT THEM TO UPDATE IT BASED ON THIS USE TO SEE WHAT IMPACTS, I THINK THE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC ARE GOING TO BE ON TAYLORSVILLE, NOT ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, DO WE NOW HAVE LIKE A FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE INTERSECTION AT OLD TROY PIKE OR, AND TAYLORSVILLE, OR AT THE INTERSECTION OF, I FORGET THAT THE SOUTH STREET THERE, THE INSURANCE THERE, THE, THE FULL ACCESS ENTRANCE OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE, OR IS THE IMPACT NEGLIGIBLE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHEN I, WHEN I READ THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, THIS TYPE OF LAND USE WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED WHEN THEY RAN THEIR NUMBERS.
SO I JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE IT UPDATED.
THEY HAVE THE SPREADSHEETS, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD TAKE A COUPLE HOURS WORTH OF EFFORT.
AND NOW IN OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT REQUIRES THAT, UM, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THE EXACT PLACE THAT I CAN'T FIND IT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLES OR PATRONS TO COME TO YOUR, UH, TO YOUR AREA THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED.
SO NOW THERE IS CASE LAW IN OHIO AND ELSEWHERE THAT TRAFFIC CAN NOT BE THE SOLE REASON TO, UM, UH, UH, DENY A, A DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT CAN BE ONE OF THE FACTORS BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE, YOU HEAR IT EVERY TIME.
UM, SO, BUT IT CAN BE A, A FACTOR IN THE DECISION.
YOU JUST CAN'T BE THE SOLE FACTOR OF THE DECISION.
AND I GUESS I'D RAISE A QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION AND MAYBE I'M INCORRECT, BUT I, I SEEM TO REMEMBER US HAVING A CLEAR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF QUICK SERVE RESTAURANTS GOING IN THERE BEING LIMITED TO THOSE TWO AND MY BERNIE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE RECALL THAT? BECAUSE I SEEM TO RECALL THAT BEING A MAJOR THING WITH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS, THAT WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS MINUTES, WOULDN'T IT POSSIBLE? I JUST FIGURED I'D MAKE SURE IF ANYBODY THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY FOR THINKING, AND IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER IT DIFFERENTLY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND THAT WE WERE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS POPEYE'S AND DUNKIN DONUTS, THAT WE WERE LIKE A LITTLE BIT ON THE SHOCK SIDE, AS FAR AS IS THIS IT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING I HAD, LIKE YOU SAID, THE ONLY THING IS ABOUT THOSE OTHER, THAT OTHER BUILDING THAT OOPS, THAT HAS, UM, ALL THOSE POTENTIAL PLACES THERE.
UM, I DON'T RECALL US DOING ANY REQUIREMENT WITH THAT BUILDING.
WE WERE TOLD IT WAS DRIVE UP RETAIL AND FROM WHAT HE JUST SAID TONIGHT, IT'S NOT, YES.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS FOR IT TO DRIVE RETAIL.
BUT, UM, I THOUGHT WE HAD A LIMIT ON IT AND I THOUGHT WE DID.
WE ELIMINATED THAT CURB CUT THERE ON TAYLORSVILLE.
SO WHEN LET'S SEE, IF I WAS MISREMEMBERING,
ANYTHING ELSE TO BE BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE PLANNING EMISSION? UM, ONE LAST THING, I GUESS.
SO WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING YESTERDAY, UM, AND, OR, SORRY, THE WORK SESSION.
SO THE WORK SESSION AND THE COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT THE MEDICAL CENTER, UM, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING THEIR SITE PLAN.
UH, AGAIN, UM, DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT AGAIN OR RURAL KING? YES.
SO I WAS AT THAT WORK SESSION.
AND SO THERE'S SOME OPPOSITION FROM COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE CURB CUTS.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
AND COUNCIL WAS ON SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF US, THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO FIX THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT AND REQUIRE
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THAT AS WELL.SO AS PART OF THE LOT SPLIT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LOT SPLIT, BUT THE CURB CUT, LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ONE WAS RIGHT BY FIFTH, THIRD, THEY FLIPPED THE DESIGN AND HAD IT AT THE OTHER END OF THE PARCEL.
BUT THEN THAT HAD IT UP AGAINST THE OTHER ENTRANCE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO GOOD PLACE FOR IT.
SO I'M CURIOUS ON THE REDESIGN.
I'M, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IT.
SO IT'S THE LATEST ITERATION AND WHAT I BASICALLY TOLD THEM IS DON'T BRING ANYTHING FORWARD UNTIL YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ROLLER KING RURAL KING, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED SEVEN ITERATIONS OF THIS SITE PLAN, BUT THEY ARE, THEIR LATEST THOUGHT IS TO HAVE THAT INTRO IN, BASICALLY IMPROVE THE EXISTING RURAL KING ENTRANCE AND HAVE AN EASTBOUND IMPROVE THE, THAT SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT ALONG TAYLORSVILLE, BRING THE TRAFFIC THROUGH BASICALLY THROUGH A DUAL ENGINE LANE INTO, INTO THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SO THAT YOU STILL ONLY HAVE THE TWO EXISTING CURB CUTS THE BANK AND THEN THE RURAL KING FURTHER WEST.
OKAY, WELL, THERE'LL BE THE TRAFFIC ACCESS WILL COME AND THERE'S NO NAME OF THAT STREET, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THE ONE THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UP ALONG NEXT TO I HOP AND THE REST OF THEM THAT STILL COME ALL THE WAY DOWN AND IN CURVE WEST BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
I MEAN, RIGHT AT WE'LL COME OUT ON TAYLORSVILLE, BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO TURN RIGHT.
AND COME DOWN TO THE EXISTING ENTRANCE.
YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE FACILITY OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE.
LIKE YOU CAN NOW, WELL, YOU CAN'T NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE THOSE CONCRETE BOLLARDS, BUT, UM, YEAH, THERE WOULD BE A MAIN ACCESS ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S THE SIGNALIZED ENTRANCE.
YOU COULD ALSO GET TO IT THROUGH THE ENTRANCE BY I HOP, UH, AND THEN THE ONE ON TAYLORSVILLE.
SO IT PROBABLY FLOWS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, BUT THEY STILL HAVE, UH, SOME WORK ON THEIR END TO DO AS, AS GETTING AGREEMENTS WITH THE RURAL KING.
AND THEN COULD WE, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD MAKE A REQUEST FROM HERE OR HOW THAT WOULD GO, BUT I KNOW IN THE DISCUSSION WITH US AND WITH COUNCIL, IT WAS DISCUSSED AS THE APPROVED OUTDOOR AREA AND THEN THE REST OF THE AREA THAT THEY BLOCKED OFF HAS NOT BEEN REFERRED TO AS APPROVED.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN START LOOKING INTO THAT PROCESS REGARDLESS OR BEFORE ANY OF THIS TO START CLEANING THAT UP HAS ALREADY STARTED, HAS ESSENTIALLY AFTER THE, THE WORK SESSION, UM, ZONING STAFF, UH, HAS REACHED OUT TO RURAL KING AND I'VE BEEN ON MORE EMAILS THAN NECESSARY, UH, ABOUT, UH, COORDINATING THAT IMPROVEMENT WITH THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL OUT OF, I THINK IT'S MOLINE, ILLINOIS, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE LOCAL, UM, STORE MANAGER.
THAT IS IN PROCESS ALONG THE SAME LINE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE USE OF THEIR PARKING LOT, THE ABC SUPPLY COMPANY OVER THERE GOTTA CLEAN UP THE ONE TO GET THE OTHER SHIT.
SO I THINK, UM, ZONING ISN'T PICKING ON RURAL KING, THEY HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO, UM, GO AFTER A NUMBER OF THE RETAIL AREAS THAT WERE, WHOSE, UH, OVER THE YEARS, THEIR OUTDOOR DISPLAYS HAVE MORPHED INTO STORAGE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND WE'VE ALLOWED IT BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
AND IF, IF THEY, IF WE ALLOWED IT, THEN SHAME ON US CITY TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, MOVING FORWARD.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED.