[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.AND WELCOME TO THE CITY HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS MAY 3RD, 2022.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 6:00 PM.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
MR. CAMPBELL, MRS. BURRS, MR. OTTO HERE.
SO NEXT, UH, IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES THIS EVENING TO BE APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]
ON TO OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND GETTING STARTED WITH THE SAME MANAGER REPORT AND ANY TYPE OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.SO, BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, YES, SIR.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSEL ON THE, UH, THE GENERAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, KROGER AQUATIC CENTER IS, UH, PREPPING FOR THE SEASON.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING SOME NEW PAINT ON THE SLIDES AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. UH, THEY ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING, UM, THE FACILITY TO OPEN, UH, ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.
AND THEY ARE, UH, ALSO ADDING STAFF.
THEY ARE VERY CONFIDENT, UH, WHERE THEY ARE WITH LIFEGUARDS.
THAT WAS A BIT OF AN ISSUE IN PREVIOUS SEASONS, UH, BUT THEY FEEL THEY'RE AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN TALKING WITH MR. LINDEMANN ABOUT, UH, WHERE, UH, WHERE THAT FACILITY IS GOING TO BE READY FOR OPENING.
UH, SPEAKING OF OPENING, UH, WE'LL BE OPENING UP A PLAYGROUND AT, UH, EICHELBERGER HERE VERY SOON.
UH, THE PADS HAVE BEEN PREPPED AND INSTALLATION OF THE NEW PLAYGROUND WILL START THIS WEEK.
UH, WE EXPECT THAT PROCESS TO TAKE ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, WHICH MEANS THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
UH, THEY SHOULD BE INSTALLING THE NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OVER AT COMMUNITY, UH, TO REPLACE THE VANDALIZED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THIS WEEKEND IS THE START OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, UH, UP AT THE IKE AGAIN ON SATURDAY FROM 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM.
IT'S WHERE ALL THE COOL KIDS WILL BE, UH, ON THE WATER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THE, A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT, A LOCAL WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS ARE SET FOR A BID NEXT WEEK.
UH, WE ARE, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOME DELAYS, UH, DUE TO THE AVAILABILITY OF PRODUCT DUCTILE IRON IS, UH, LIMITED IN AVAILABILITY.
UH, SO WE EXPECT, EVEN THOUGH THE BIDS WILL BE ON TIME, UH, WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY FOR THIS TO BE A FALL PROJECT.
THE LAST WE HAD HEARD IN TALKING WITH SOME OF OUR DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS IS THERE'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH LAG TIME, UH, ON, UH, DUCTILE IRON PIPE.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE ON THAT, UH, IN OUR NORMAL SEQUENCE.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE, UH, HIGH COMMODITY MARKET IS GOING TO CATCH UP TO US HERE.
I THINK, UH, THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT HAD REPORTED THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED THOSE PLANS TO THE EPA FOR REVIEW AND EPA COMMENTS ARE EXPECTED NEXT WEEK, UH, PROBABLY A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THAT, UH, FOR FINAL REVISIONS, UH, BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO BID THAT WORK.
BUT, UH, THAT PROJECT IS IN PROCESS.
AND THEN WE HAD A CHECK-IN A LITTLE EARLY WITH, UH, BURGESS AT NIPPLE THERE, THE CONSULTANT THAT ARE WORKING ON THE, UH, WATER INTEGRITY STUDY.
SO THEY'RE MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD.
UH, AND THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL FINISH ON SCHEDULE, WHICH WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS MONTH TO HELP US KIND OF DO SOME FINAL PREP FOR THE 20, 23 CAPITAL BUDGET.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSEL, SIR, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, GENERAL OPERATIONS AND ALL THINGS, WATER, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL.
THANKS, RYAN, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW-UP FOR BRIAN IS UPDATE.
[ Fire Division Staffing Levels]
NEXT WE'LL GET INTO OUR FIRE DIVISION STAFFING LEVELS, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.UH, LAST TIME COUNCIL WAS TOGETHER AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUCH ON THE SUBJECT.
UH, I WAS PRESENT, BUT THE FIRE CHIEF WAS NOT.
AND, UH, I HAD COMMENTED TO COUNCIL ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT HAD COME UP IN THE PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE VERBIAGE THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD CHOSEN TO USE, UH, AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANT WITH RESPECT TO THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
UH, IN SUBSEQUENT, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION FROM COUNCIL AND WITH COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD WAIT UNTIL 20, 23 TO MAKE ADDITIONAL STAFFING AVAILABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET.
AND SO, WHILE I WAS HERE REPRESENTING COMMENTS THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY MADE BY THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, THERE WAS A, UM, UM, TREPIDATION THAT, UH, FROM COUNCIL THAT, UH, THE CHIEF HIMSELF MIGHT BE A BETTER SPOKESMAN TO WHAT THE CHIEF WOULD ACTUALLY NEED, UH, FOR 2023.
AND SO WITH THAT, UH, I DID, UH, ASK CHIEF TO BE HERE.
UH, HE WAS ACCOMPANIED LAST TIME BY REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, FROM THE UNION, THE IFF.
AND SO THEY'RE ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION IN GENERAL, THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.
SO SIR, I'LL TURN THE FLOOR BACK TO YOU AND COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
SO I KNOW, I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST LEVEL OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WAS, UH, REGARDING WHEN TO, UM, FUND THESE POSITIONS, BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ANY TYPE OF REPORT BACK FROM, I THINK, WHAT THE TERM YOU USED WAS THE BIG THREE.
SO WE HAD FIRE, WE HAD POLICE AND WE HAD OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT AND WE HADN'T HAD
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ANY REPORTS BACK YET ON, UH, ON ANY OF THOSE OTHERS.SO AT THE LAST MEETING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, I THINK WE VOTED TO CHANGE THE TABLE ORGANIZATION.
UH, I THINK THAT WAS, UM, THAT PASSED AND WE ALSO PASSED THE LEGISLATION FOR THE SALARY CHANGES, BUT THEN WHEN IT CAME TO FUNDING, UM, I THINK THAT WAS MOVED, THAT WAS MOVED TO ANOTHER REGION.
SO I THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
SO TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NOW, BEFORE WE GET BACK TO, UH, TO A SECOND READING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEED IS, BECAUSE I THINK THE LAST THING THAT WE HEARD THE CHIEF SAY WAS THOSE POSITIONS, ALTHOUGH WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSION WEREN'T NEEDED UNTIL 2023.
SO THEN I THINK WHAT I ASKED THE CHIEF IS PART OF THAT WAS BASED AROUND WHEN THE AVAILABILITY OR THE BIGGER POOL OF SELECTION WOULD BE THAT IN THE SUMMER, THEY WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE AS GOOD AS, OR BIG AS A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE POOL AS A COME THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR IS WHERE WE ARE REALLY WITH, WITH THE NEED VERSUS, UM, THE NEEDS OF THE OTHER TWO DEPARTMENTS OF THE BIG THREE, ESPECIALLY IF THE CHIEF SAYS WE DON'T NEED THOSE POSITIONS FILLED UNTIL 20, 23.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WORK, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THAT'S QUITE WHERE I WANTED TO, TO START THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN CERTAINLY ANY OPEN QUESTIONS TO ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL.
SO TO THOSE COMMENTS, UH, I'LL JUST TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO THE CHIEF AND HE CAN ADDRESS THOSE DIRECTLY FOR YOU, SIR.
AND THEN, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS COUNSEL HAS, THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO REMAIN SEATED AND THAT'S OKAY.
NO, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.
UM, THE, OUR PRESENTATION WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE PRESENT AND SAY, SHOTGUN APPROACH.
AND LET'S HIRE ALL THESE PEOPLE.
UH, WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COMMAND STAFF WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED AND WE'VE LOOKED AT NUMBERS AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR, WE HAD AN EXPONENTIAL INCREASE IN CALLS THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW, IF I THINK A CHEAP ONLY RAN ME SOME NUMBERS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 200 MORE CALLS THIS YEAR THAN WE HAD LAST YEAR.
THAT'S NOT AN INSURMOUNTABLE INCREASE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH.
UH, OTHER THAN A FEW, A FEW, A FEW SPIKES THAT WE HAD GET YOUR HEART RATE UP HERE FOR A SECOND SOMETIMES WHEN ALCOHOL, UM, SO WE NEVER INTENDED, UH, FOR US TO, TO, TO GO AND SAY, READY BREAK, LET'S DO THIS, THAT I WON'T PUT WORDS INTO THE UNION'S MOUTH.
BUT I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL RESPECT IS IS THE IDEA THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, UH, WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE OPENED STATION 25 UP, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING, I BECAME A BATTALION CHIEF IN 2010.
SO I WAS INVITED INTO THESE CONVERSATIONS AND WAY BACK WHEN WE SAID, WE NEED TO HIRE 15 PEOPLE.
EVERY TIME WE OPENED A FIRE STATION, WHY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS DID.
AND THEN WE REALIZED THIS CITY, WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO HIRE 15 PEOPLE ALL RIGHT.
SO WE CAME IN WITH A STAIR-STEP APPROACH AND I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF ASHWORTH A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, IT'S STILL KIND OF AHEAD OF WHERE OUR PLAN WAS.
SO W WE'RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING BETTER THAN WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS.
ONCE WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO BUILD STATION 25, WHEN WE BUILT SAGE 25, WE SAID, WELL, WE'LL BRING THREE POSITIONS BACK, WE'LL ADD THREE.
AND THEN A FEW LITERS LATER, WE ADDED THREE AND THAT WAS 2019.
AND THEN IT WAS GOING TO BE A FEW YEARS PAST THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADD MORE PEOPLE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT CALL DATA AND THE CURRENT METRICS OF ALLOWING US TO, YOU KNOW, TO SIT HERE AND PLAN THIS OUT AND ADD THESE BODIES IN 2023, THE, THE, THE, THE ADDING OF A POSITION OF CAPTAIN, THERE'S SOME LOGISTICAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT, LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROMOTE AND ALL THIS, WHEN WE SPEAK TO THE CANDIDATE POOL AND KATIE, UH, AND CHIEF RUSSELL, AND, UH, THE REST OF THE STAFF, UH, LIEUTENANT RADFORD.
WELL, MARK WAS THERE TOO, IS, IS THAT WE HAD CANDIDATES TODAY THAT THEY WANT TO HIRE RIGHT NOW.
THEY DON'T GRADUATE PARAMEDICS UNTIL DECEMBER.
SO THE FIRST LADY THAT WE HAD, I BELIEVE SHE WAS IN DECEMBER.
AND THEN THE LAST GENTLEMAN WAS THE SECOND LAST GENTLEMEN, WE INTERVIEWED, THEY INTERVIEWED SEVEN PEOPLE TODAY, AND AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GRADUATE UNTIL DECEMBER.
SO WHEN THEY GRADUATE IN DECEMBER, THEY BECOME FULLY CERTIFIED.
WHY DO WE WANT TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GRADUATE? THE NATIONAL REGISTRY TEST FOR PARAMEDICS HAS A PASS RATE BETWEEN 65 AND 70% IN THAT BALLPARK.
SO THERE'S A RISK, YOU KNOW, UH, XENIA JUST HAD TO LET SOMEONE GO BECAUSE THEY HIRED THIS PERSON.
THEY SEND THEM THROUGH ALL THE SCHOOLING.
AND WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THAT PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION, THEY FAILED, THEY FAILED AND THEY FAILED AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WASTED MONEY.
SO BACK TO THAT STATION, 25 ANALOGY, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH US HAVING THE CAPITAL FUND AND THE CAPITAL FUND BEING ALLOWED TO USE FOR PERSONNEL, IF WE NEEDED TO, IF WE WOULD HAVE ADDED 15 BODIES AT STATION 25, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE WOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON THAN WHAT OUR SYSTEM HAS ACTUALLY NEEDED.
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DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT AT LEAST ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BY US KIND OF ENACTING STAFFING IN A SMART WAY.AND THAT'S MY THING IS I'VE WORKED FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG.
I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T JUST GO AND SAY, OH, WHAT IS IT? LET'S HIRE 10 PEOPLE.
WE WILL EVENTUALLY NEED THOSE 10 PEOPLE.
WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF TRIED TO ADD AND TRY TO MIRROR OUR CALL INCREASES.
SO LONG STORY SHORT IS YES, WHAT I WAS PRESENTING WAS I THINK MY LAST SLIDE EVEN TALKED ABOUT WAS WE APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF OPENING THE FLOOR UP TO THE DISCUSSION FOR STAFFING PLANS FOR 2023 AND 24 AND BEYOND.
I THINK SHE, UH, ANY UP QUESTIONS YOU HAVE MARTIN CHIEF, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE FATIGUE THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED DURING YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS, RIGHT.
W SO FATIGUE LEVEL THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO METER THAT OUR PEOPLE HAVE AND W YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, I CAN'T LOOK AT MARK TODAY AND SAY, WELL, HE'S AT A 75% FATIGUE RATE.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FATIGUE, I GUESS THE BEST WAY I CAN KIND OF DESCRIBE THIS AS IS, IS THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO PREDICT.
WE KNOW THAT FATIGUE IS A THING.
UH, OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING BACK AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT TAKING TWO DAYS TO FULLY RECOVER AND, AND BE ABLE TO ABSORB EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAW, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO BUSY AT WORK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE SLIDE THAT WE HAD, WHERE I HAVE COST PER CALL AND THE CALLS PER AUTHORIZED STAFF, YOU WILL SEE THAT THESE LINES, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, A GOOD BUSINESS, WE WOULD BE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS WHAT OUR COSTS ARE.
AND THIS IS WHAT OUR INCOME IS.
WE'RE, WE'RE AN OPTIMAL LEVEL.
WHAT I'M AFRAID WITH THIS IS THAT WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IS, IS THAT WE KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR, THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 200 MORE CALLS.
AND NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER 200 AND MAYBE 2 50, 300 IN THE NEXT YEAR.
WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THAT AS THAT FABRIC BETWEEN THOSE TWO LINES GETS PULLED, IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY START, START, UH, RIPPING, TEARING APART.
AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS START PLANNING, WHICH, UH, THANKS FOR THE, UH, THANKS FOR THE INVITATION TO BE HERE.
WE ARE PLANNING TO GET IT TO WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADD MORE FABRIC IN BETWEEN, BRING THOSE, BRING THESE NUMBERS IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER.
AND THEN I IMAGINE IN A FEW YEARS, AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, CHIEF ASHWORTH AND I WAY BACK IN 15, WE SAID, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE I BET.
I BET, 10 YEARS, I BET, 10 YEARS.
UH, THE, THE GROWTH AND THE CALL INCREASES HAVE HAPPENED A LITTLE TOO FAST.
SO I IMAGINE IF I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO CONTINUE, UH, CONTINUE SERVING THE CITY, IS THAT IN A FEW MORE YEARS, WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL SAY, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS FATIGUE.
AND THAT OPINION IS COMING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE FIRE DIVISION.
UH, ARE WE PREPARED THE SEASONING TO HEAR FROM LABOR? UH, I'VE DELETED IF MARK WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE ISSUES BEFORE, SO MARK'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO, TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT HIS OPINIONS ARE, HIS MEMBERSHIP.
I MEAN, YOU'RE HERE FOR SOME REASON.
UM, I GUESS THE, THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT FATIGUE, IT'S JUST LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF HAS SAID, IT'S, IT'S A STRESS ON THE SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE A PART OF.
SO IT WAS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE AND ABSORB THE CALL VOLUME THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO.
AND WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO TRY AND KEEP UP WITH THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, FORECASTING OUT THERE'S THE NEED FOR, THERE APPEARS TO BE THE NEED FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BASICALLY TAKE SOME OF THAT STRESS OFF OF US.
AND I KNOW I'M NOT REALLY DOING A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT.
I CAN FEEL, I JUST KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO ASK TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO FATIGUE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS HOW IT, HOW IT IS TO BE TIRED AND TO BE WORN OUT AND TO HAVE A LOT OF CALLS AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON, BUT THERE'S THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN THERE'S THE HUMAN SIDE OF IT.
SO, I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A POINT WHERE IT AFFECTS YOU BEING ABLE TO DO YOUR JOB.
I'M I SPEAK FOR THE LABOR UNION WHEN I WOULD SAY THAT.
NO, IT'S NOT TO THAT POINT, BUT AGAIN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING FORECASTED.
THERE'S OUR CALL VOLUME GOES UP.
THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S REQUIRED, THE, THE QUALITY OF WORK EVENTUALLY DOES START TO SUFFER.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT FROM BECOMING AN ISSUE.
SO, UH, WOULD IT BE LABOR'S POSITION AS WELL AS THE ADMINISTRATION THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL COULD FOLLOW YOUR LEAD, WAIT TILL 20, 23 AND THEN START TO ENACT PIECES OF THE PLAN? YEAH, MY, MY, WHEN, WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, IT IS LABOR'S POSITION THAT THE FIRE CHIEF WAS HIRED TO DO A JOB AND WE FEEL HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB.
WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO, AND I AM ESPECIALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW
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EVERYTHING.AND HE'S THE, THE, THE ONE IN CHARGE HE SEES THE NUMBERS, HE HAS THE INFORMATION, HE'S ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YES, THIS IS 20, 23.
I FEEL THIS IS THE BEST THING.
WELL, I'M GOING TO YIELD TO THAT.
I WOULD SAY EXPERT OPINION ON THIS.
AND, AND I FEEL THAT WE'RE IN THAT SAME THING, SAME SITUATION WHERE WE'RE OKAY FOR THE TIME BEING.
UM, WE HAVE LEGISLATION, UM, ON, FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
UH, THERE'S FOUR INCLUDES A CAPTAIN POSITION ON THE ORG CHART EVENTUALLY, AS IT GETS PROMOTED UP, UH, YOUR POSITION DENIED IS WE CAN WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.
UM, IS THERE ANY HARM TO HIRING THOSE FIREFIGHTERS SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER? UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME, I'M NOT THE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
GIVE YOU A TRUE, SOLID ANSWER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE BUDGET WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW ANY KIND OF FISCAL, THAT'S NOT YOUR POSITION.
YOUR POSITION IS FIREFIGHTER, AND THEN YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE UNION IS PRESIDENT TONIGHT.
YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FIRE CHIEFS PLAN OF 2023 IS, SEEMS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES TO BE A REASONABLE PLAN.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE FROM OUR SIDE.
UM, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION AND I'LL LET YOU GO.
YOU'RE ON DUTY TODAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE YOU IN ANY WAY BEING COERCED TO SAY THIS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
NOT THREATENED, NOT YOUR JOB, NOT YOUR PROFESSION.
NOT LIKE LAST TIME, CORRECT? NO.
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN MOVED THAT WE HAVE A SECOND READING ON THIS.
I'M ON FOR MONDAY, CHIEF MARK.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING HERE JUST TO BE CLEAR.
THE LEGISLATION ON MONDAY ONLY REMAINS THE OTHER TWO PIECES HAVE BEEN PASSED, AND THIS IS THE FUNDING MECHANISM, WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.
I DO HAVE JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT.
UH, AND THIS IS THE CHIEF AND TO, UH, UH, YOUR CREW, I'M TELLING YOU YOUR PRESENTATION WAS TOP-NOTCH YOU, UM, DEMONSTRATED THE NEED AND YOU DID SHOW, UM, HOW PROACTIVE YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, GO AFTER THIS THING.
UM, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR CREW, BECAUSE I GOTTA TELL YA THE BIGGEST THING I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT IS YOU'RE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE GREAT STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO BACK 100% WHAT I SAW IN THE PROPOSAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, UH, CHIEF AT THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN WEBB MENTIONED, WHICH, UH, I THINK WAS, UH, WAS A VERY GREAT, UH, PIECE OF WORK, UM, UH, BY YOURSELF IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, THE ONE PIECE THAT WAS LACKING WAS TO MUTUAL AID DATA.
DO YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TODAY? YES, I DO.
UH, UH, I GET, UM, UH, CHIEF BOTTOMLEY WHO WAS HERE.
I BROUGHT HIM BECAUSE HE IS THE, UH, THE GUY THAT DOES WHAT I USED TO DO.
HE DIGS DOWN INTO THE DATA AND NOW IT ALLOWS ME TO SAY, THINK OF NEW DATA.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW ALL THE OLD REPORTS, UH, ASKING FOR THE NEW REPORTS.
SO AS OF, UH, AS OF THIS YEAR, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE EMS MUTUAL AID GIVEN, UH, LAST YEAR WE GAVE MUTUAL AID 610 TIMES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR, LAST YEAR.
UM, THIS YEAR WE'VE GIVEN IT 229 TIMES A YEAR TODAY, EIGHT AND COUNTING UP TO MAY 1ST, UH, EMS MUTUAL AID RECEIVED.
WE RECEIVED MUTUAL AID 382 TIMES, AND WE'VE GIVEN IT ABOUT 122 TIMES SO FAR THIS YEAR.
UM, FIRE MUTUAL AID RECEIVED, UH, LAST YEAR WAS 301 TIMES.
AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS 125 THEY'LL KVL AND FIRE MUTUAL AID.
IF YOU LIVE IN THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE CITY, THE CITY OF DAYTON IS THE FIRST DO PIECE OF APPARATUS.
IF YOU HAVE A CAR FIRE OR A AWAY FROM A BUILDING OR A SMALL SPILL DATE, AND ENGINE WILL RESPOND THERE WITHOUT OUR PEOPLE EVER EVEN GOING.
SO SOME OF THOSE FIRE MUTUAL AID NUMBERS ARE FOR THAT SMALL SECTION OF THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE CITY, WHERE DAYTON JUST AUTOMATICALLY SERVES OUR RESIDENTS, JUST LIKE WE AUTOMATICALLY SERVE
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SOME OF THEIR PEOPLE IN THE NORTHEAST AREA.SO YOU SEE ALL THESE DEALS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, WE ACTUALLY COHABITATED WITH DAYTON.
SO WE HAVE A VERY LONG STANDING MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM WHEN WE SAY FIRE MUTUAL AID RECEIVED.
AND BESIDES THAT MOST PLACES IN THE CITY, WE HAD A FIRE UP OFF OF MAPLE MAPLE GATE TODAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DATE AND ENGINE, UH, DAYTON ENGINE CAME THERE JUST LIKE WHEN DAYTON HAD A FIRE ON STRAP.
EVEN LAST NIGHT, WE ACTUALLY SENT THEM A MEDIC AND A LADDER TRUCK OR A LADDER FOR AMERICAN DIDN'T OCCUR.
UM, AND CHIEF, UH, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT TONIGHT, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN EITHER BE EASILY, UM, UH, UM, IS A, IS A PAST HISTORIC FIVE-YEAR DATA OF MUTUAL AID.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, MAYBE HAVE THAT SENT OVER TO THE CLERK, UM, UH, CITY MANAGER AND THAT CAN GET DISSEMINATED OUT.
I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT ME AND CHIEF ASHWORTH HAD SOMETHING I LIKE TO KEEP ON TRACK OF NOT ONLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT PLAYS A VERY IMPORTANT PART WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LABOR, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPARATUS A POTENTIAL NEW HOUSING BOUNDARIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I MEAN THAT PIECE OF DATA, I THINK TOUCHES EVERY ASPECT OF THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE REASON I'VE BEEN VERY ADAMANT ABOUT.
I, AND I DO WANT TO SAY IS, IS THAT APRIL 1ST, 2019, WE WENT TO A NEW REPORTING SYSTEM AND WE WENT TO THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE WE CAN GET DATA OUT A LOT BETTER.
IT'S ALSO OUR PEOPLE, UH, FOR ME AS THE DATA ADMINISTRATOR, IT WASN'T A BAD MOVE OR BECAUSE IT'S HARDER FOR ME TO, I SHOULDN'T SAY HARDER.
I USED TO BE ABLE TO DO DATA A CERTAIN WAY.
IT'S BETTER FOR OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S GETTING THEM IN SERVICE QUICKER.
IT'S A LOT FRIENDLIER, SO I CAN EASILY GET YOUR REPORTS FROM APRIL 1ST, 2019.
IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT I CAN GET THE DATA DATING BACK AS WELL.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WE COULD, I BELIEVE CHIEF ASHWORTH THAT HAD SOME OF THAT PREVIOUS DATA.
SO MAYBE JUST MIRROR SOME OF THAT ON NUMBERS, I'M SURE.
YOU KNOW, OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THEY WERE VERY CLOSE.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MARK HERE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE A FIRE CHIEF, THERE'S SOME TYPE A PERSONALITY THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT I ALSO AM SMART ENOUGH THAT I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, MIKE
TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NEWER IN THE BATTALION CHIEF POSITION, BUT WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO GET IT TO WHERE WE HAVE, UH, ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING.
AND, AND BEFORE WE PRESENTED THIS PLAN, I MET WITH ALL THOSE COMMAND STAFFS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING PERSONNEL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO ALL OF THIS AND THEY'RE ALL 100% ON BOARD.
I DID NOT BRING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEM WITH US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO APPEAR THAT WE WERE STRONG ARMING.
YOU TRYING TO GET YOU TO GIVE US MORE STAFFING.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'VE ONLY BEEN TRYING TO BRING ONE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT OUR, OUR WHOLE ENTIRE COMMAND STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP AND SAY THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL APPOINTED YOU THE FIRE CHIEF IN AMS. AND, AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BELIEVE IN YOU AND BELIEVE IN, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND TRUST WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THEN I THINK THIS COUNCIL THEN HAS PROBABLY MADE A VERY BAD DECISION IN APPOINTING YOU AND YOU WERE A NANO SLEEP POINT AT THE FIRE CHIEF.
IF YOU NEED ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, WHEN THE CADETS BECOME CREDENTIALED, PLEASE LET US KNOW WE'RE HERE FOR YOU.
[ City Liability Insurance Renewal]
NEXT UP IS I THREE C CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE RENEWAL.UM, SO THIS EVENING, UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT HAVE LEGISLATION, UH, FOR THE TONIGHT.
THIS IS OUR ANNUAL RENEWAL FOR OUR LIABILITY, WHICH IS CASUALLY PROPERTY.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH OUR AGENT.
WE ARE WAITING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, THEY HAVE GIVEN ME AN ESTIMATED QUOTE FOR THIS YEAR FOR THE 2122 POLICY YEAR.
THE ESTIMATED QUOTE IS AN INCREASE OF 13% LAST YEAR.
SO IT IS A COUPLE PERCENT HIGHER.
UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S DUE TO THE PROPER VALUE IN PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD SOME AUTO CLAIMS, WHICH IS TYPICAL, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T HAVE THAT THIS EVENING FOR YOU GUYS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I AM HOPING I WILL HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE PACKET GOES OUT, UM, I WILL HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER.
I DON'T THINK THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE 13.
UM, BUT AT LEAST WHEN TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A SHORT DELAY FOR THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS LOOKING AT DOING, UM, TRAINING FOR OUTSIDE DIVISIONS, AND WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO GET SOME LIABILITY COVERAGE FOR THAT.
UM, SO THEY'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO FIND THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HAD ANOTHER DELAY IN THAT.
SO I MIGHT BE COMING BACK WITH SOMETHING ADDITIONAL,
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UM, BUT I'M HOPING WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST THIS RENEWAL COME BACK TO YOU FOR MONDAY NIGHT.SO I JUST KINDA WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WITH THAT TONIGHT.
THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEGISLATION.
SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OFFER A FULLY PREPARED, ANY QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP FOR AN OBJECTION, ASSUMING WE HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THE PACKET READY TO GO.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVIE THAT'S NOT THE MONDAY AND THE RENEWAL IS MAY 11TH.
SO WE'RE LIKE RUNNING AGAINST THE DEADLINE HERE.
[ 2023 BWC Group Experience Rating Program]
IS I AM 3D, WHICH IS THE 2023 BWC GROUP EXPERIENCE RATING PROGRAM.THIS IS OUR ANNUAL BUREAU OF WORKERS' COMP.
UM, WE ARE INVITED BACK TO THE OHIO ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC TREASURES, WHICH IS THE SAME GROUP WE'VE BEEN IN FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE TREMENDOUS.
SO I GIVE ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS KUDOS, UM, ON THEIR SAFETY WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE FAIRLY WELL.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE PREMIUM OF 148,000 AND SOME CHANGE THAT'S ESTIMATED THEY WON'T HAVE THE RATES UNTIL PROBABLY FALL OF THIS YEAR.
THAT TYPICALLY FALLS IN WITH THEIR REGULAR, THEIR MEETINGS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR.
UM, LAST YEAR'S PREMIUM WAS 180 5, ROUGHLY, SO WE'RE DOING MUCH BETTER.
SO I'D LIKE TO COME BACK WITH LEGISLATION TO APPROVE, UM, TO GO INTO THE 20, 23 YEAR, UH, WITH YOUR HIGH ASSOCIATED PUBLIC TREASURES, AND ALSO TO CONTINUE WITH OUR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR COMP MANAGEMENT FOR A FEE OF $7,615.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ City Salaries/Wage Levels]
AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE CITY SALARIES AND THE WAGE LEVELS.ONCE AGAIN, UM, THIS IS TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM RATE FOR OUR SEASONAL, WHO WILL BE WORKING MAINLY ON THE ROAD MUSIC CENTER.
UH, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS TO KEEP COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET.
WE'RE SEEING THAT OUR PREVIOUS $14 WAS NOT GETTING US, UM, DOING US ANY FAVORS AS FAR AS GETTING PEOPLE TO COME BACK.
UM, THEY'RE FINDING JOBS AT TARGET AND MCDONALD'S AND THOSE THINGS WE WANT TO STAY COMPETITIVE.
UM, SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE RETURNERS COME BACK.
SO WE'D LIKE TO POSSIBLY BUMP THAT UP TO $20.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND MAKING THAT, BUT IT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE MORE COMPETITIVE TO BRING THEM IN QUESTIONS.
I THINK I SAW YOU CAN GO TO TARGET NOW MAKE 20 BUCKS AN HOUR, SO, OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
MAYOR KATIE, WOULD THIS INCLUDE OUR KROGER EMPLOYEES FOR THE SEASON AT THE Y Y THE KROGER'S THE SWIMMING? NO, THAT IS THE LIFEGUARDS ARE ALL THROUGH, UM, THE Y AND THEY'RE IN THEIR PAY SCALES.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
ONCE AGAIN, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Landscape Revitalization Plan - Specified City Properties - Solicit Bids]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE LANDSCAPE REVITALIZATION PLAN FOR SPECIFIED CITY PROPERTIES FOR SOLICITING THOSE BIDS.HOW ARE YOU, SIR? THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL.
UH, BASICALLY, UM, THIS WAS INCLUDED IN PREVIOUS LEGISLATION THAT THE KIND OF TOOK OUT AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RECEIVE, I'M NOT THE BEST COMPETITIVE.
BUT, UM, SO WHAT THIS IS IS BASICALLY JUST GO BACK OUT TO REBID FOR THOSE SPECIFIED PROPERTIES TO COME UP WITH.
UM, SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WOULD INCLUDE THE
YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS HAVE HIGH LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
UM, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT REACHING ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD NOW, AND THEY JUST NEED SOME REVITALIZATION PLAN AND KIND OF MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE THOSE AREAS A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY APPEALING, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE A FOLLOWUP.
AND OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY, HE'S SAYING NOTHING.
[ Roadway Guardrail Repair/Replacement - Specified City Properties - Solicit Bids]
IS THE ROADWAY GUARD, RAIL REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT FOR SPECIFIED CITY PROPERTIES.UM, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, WE DO, AND IN YEARS PAST HAS BEEN A LITTLE, UM, LESSER NUMBER FOR, UM, SOME REPAIRS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, BAD WINTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, OCCASIONALLY ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, GROWING AWARE OF GUARD RAIL, GETTING HIT BY SNOW EMERGENCY, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE DON'T GO BUMP IN THE NIGHT.
UM, SO SOME OF THOSE OF THE WINTER WE'VE HAD, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT ARE BEEN IDENTIFIED AROUND THE CITY, UM, THAT HAVE JUST KIND OF NEEDED A HIGHER THAT YOU PREPARED FOR LIABILITY AND TORT REASONS OF TORT, TORT LIABILITY.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ ZC CBDP 22-11 - Campbell Berling Huber Heights, LLC - Rezoning/Combined Basic And Detailed Development Plan - Bellefontaine Road]
NEXT UP IS, UH, IS THAT IN CASE CBBP[00:30:02]
22 DASH 11 FOR CAMPBELL BURLINGHAM RIGHTS, LLC, THE REZONING AND THE COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED VILLAIN PLAN ON BILL FINRA, BRIAN? UH, YES, SIR.WHEN COUNCIL WAS LAST TOGETHER AND THIS ITEM WAS UP FOR DISCUSSION, THERE WAS, UM, I'LL CALL IT A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, FROM THE FLOOR ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS OR POTENTIAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AS WELL AS MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AS A COMBINED, UH, BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE AMIABLE, UH, AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A LEGAL ABILITY TO SEPARATE, UH, THE CURRENT APPLICATION, UH, AND JUST AWARD THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT OR JUST APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SENDING THE DETAILED BACK, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AT A LATER DATE.
SO COUNCIL HAD WANTED THIS ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DISCUSS WHAT WAS PUT ON THE FLOOR.
THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, UH, TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT, UM, UH, COMBINATION APPLICATION VERSUS THE BASIC DETAILED, UH, UH, AVENUE THAT COUNCIL'S MOSTLY FAMILIAR WITH.
UH, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR TONIGHT'S, UH, FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, I'LL, UH, REFER ANY OF THE COMMENTS TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE ABILITY TO BREAK UP THE, UH, THE APPLICATION AND, UH, MR.
SO JERRY, DID WE FIND ANY LEGAL ISSUES WITH BEING ABLE TO SEPARATE THE SEPARATE THOSE TWO? UM, NOT, NOT IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS.
SO IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS SEPARATING BASIC AND DETAILED, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH US FROM A LEGAL MATTER OF SENDING THAT DETAILED PLAN BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY ONLY ACT ON THE BASIC PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED.
UH, BRIAN, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ANY DETRIMENT OR MANIFEST? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS APPROVING A PLAN THAT IT IS COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND IF THAT IS, UH, BIFURCATING THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, BIFURCATING THE BASIC AND THE DETAILED SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, UH, REVIEW AND EVALUATE THE DETAILED PLAN ONE LAST TIME AND CONFIRM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE PUT FORTH BY COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THAT AVENUE.
AND I BELIEVE FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER MR. BERLIN AND MR. CHRONICLED AT THE TIME, THEY TOO WERE ALSO, UH, OF THE OPINION.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, HE'S HERE.
UM, BUT, UH, UM, THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ACTION IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PLAN WAS, WAS REVIEWED, EVALUATED AND APPROVED.
I THINK WE JUST HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, UM, BECAUSE THIS WASN'T TYPICALLY HOW WE SEE THINGS COME TO COME TO COUNCIL.
AND I JUST, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT IF THIS IS, UH, IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION, ONE MORE TIME, IT GIVES THE RESIDENTS, UM, ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND BE MORE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS OF WHAT'S IN THE DETAIL PLAN.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SERVES US VERY WELL.
UM, I BELIEVE IT MAKES GOOD DECISIONS, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO PRESENT TO US.
SO, UH, I THINK JUST IN THAT SITUATION TO GIVE PEOPLE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS, BASED ON WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
AND I THINK I'D BE IN, IN SUPPORTIVE OF SEPARATING THOSE TWO, UM, AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER COMMENTS.
SO CAN WE, UM, HAVE YOU TALKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND START THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S YEAH.
SO FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S MEETING, I'LL REACH OUT TO, UH, MR. CHRONICLE, MR. BERLIN, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT, UH, COUNCIL'S DESIRE ABOUT, UM, THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
AND AGAIN, REITERATE SOME OF THE POINTS OF CONCERN FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD.
UH, AND THEN IT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION FROM THEM, MOST LIKELY VIA EMAIL PRIOR TO MONDAY NIGHT'S MEETING, UH, ADVISING US WHAT THEIR POSITION IS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT IT TO CONTINUE AS A COMBINED PLAN OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'D LIKE IT, UM, SPLIT AND, UH, JUST FOR COUNCIL TO PROVIDE APPROVAL AND THE BASIC.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONFIRMED FOR YOU BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE LEGISLATION ON MONDAY EVENING.
SO ASSUMING THAT THAT'S PROPER THERE, THEY, THEY REQUEST THAT, UM, LIKE THE DISCUSSION AT THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY, JUST FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE BASIC
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RIGHT.WE WOULD HAVE, WOULD BE AN AMENDED ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REFLECT THE CHANGES AND SEPARATING THE TWO PLANS.
AND THEN, UH, SINCE THIS WOULD BE AT THE SECOND READING ON MONDAY'S AGENDA, THEN WE WOULD AMEND THAT ORDINANCE WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE TO REPLACE IT, AND THEN IT COULD BE ADOPTED OR CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION AT THE SECOND READING ON AND THE ALTERNATIVE, IF THEY DID NOT WANT TO BIFURCATE, WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY THE COMBINED PLAN BEFORE US.
BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT THIS COUNCIL IS NOT USED TO, AND THAT'S WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TYPICALLY I THINK IN EVERY CASE, DOES A PUD AGREEMENT REQUIRES THAT.
AND SO THIS WOULD NOT BE GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUD AGREEMENT.
SO IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD, UH, IF IT'S THE DESIRE TO APPROVE IT, TO APPROVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMBINED PLANNED SUBJECT TO THE PUD PUD PLAN BEING PASSED, UM, AND WHICH THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD CONCESSIONS THAT THE OWNER AGREED TO, UH, BE A PART OF THAT PUD PLAN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR FOLLOW UP ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, THE WAY WE DISCUSS THIS MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Case BDP 22-13 - Hartman I, LLC - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 7611 Old Troy Pike]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE.I WAS JUST CASE BDP 22 DASH 13.
UH, HARTMAN IS THAT ONE, OUR HARTMAN ONE LOC REZONING BASIS ON PLAN AT 76, 11 OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, MR. SIERRA, WE'LL BE HERE ON MONDAY EVENING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO GIVE A MORE POLISHED VERSION OF WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE, UH, AND TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS TO, UM, EFFECTIVELY PROVIDE FOR A ONE ACRE LOT SPLIT, UH, IN THE LARGE PARKING AREA THAT IS IN FRONT OF RURAL KING, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE.
UH, AND THAT SITE IS, UH, HERE OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, MY MOUSE HAS KIND OF RIGHT THERE DANCING.
UM, IT IS A, UM, THE SITE PARTICULARS, AS I SAID, IT'S ABOUT ONE ACRE.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR RETAIL PURPOSES, UH, AND IS NOW, UH, ON UTILIZED PARKING, WHICH HAS DEVELOPED INTO OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND STORAGE, UH, FOR RURAL KING.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING TO PLANT OFFICE, UH, FOR A BUILDING JUST UNDER 11,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
UH, AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 15 EMPLOYEES WITH 30 TO 40 PATIENTS, UH, PER DAY INITIALLY, UH, HERE IS, UH, THE SITE IN PARTICULAR OUTLINED IN RED.
UH, THE SITE PLAN THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED HAS BEEN REVISED SLIGHTLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THE SANITARY SEWER MAIN, UH, WHICH YOU SEE BISECTING THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED LOT.
UH, THERE WAS A SERVICE EASEMENT THERE AT, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED THE BUILDING, UH, SLIGHTLY TO THE WEST, UH, AND MADE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS RELATIVE TO THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL.
UH, HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL OVERLAY OF THE BUILDING AND SOME OF THE PARKING CONFIGURATIONS.
UH, SO, UH, YOU CAN HAVE REFERENCE TO HOW THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, RELATES TO THE SURROUNDING AREA INTO THE, UH, ORTHO PHOTO THAT YOU JUST SAW A CLOSE UP.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WILL HAVE A, UM, UH, ACCESS POINT, UH, RIGHT THERE ON, UH, TAYLORSVILLE WITH, UH, RIGHT OUT, UH, BUT, UH, RIGHT AND LEFT IN.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, ON WHAT IS THE NORTH END HERE, UH, THIS WILL BE THE AMBULATORY ACCESS, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UH, ON THE SITE.
AND YOU'LL NOTE THAT THERE IS A PROLIFERATION OF PARKING, UM, ON ALL SIDES TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS USE, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UH, HERE IS, UH, AN, UM, UH, ANOTHER ORTHO WITH SOME REFERENCE POINTS AND MARKERS.
UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE PURPLE SQUARE IN AND OF ITSELF IS THE APPROVED, UM, DISPLAY AREA FOR RURAL KING, UH, AND, UH, THE, UH, AREA IN, UM, EXCUSE ME, VIEW AREA IN GREEN IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY THEIR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA, UH, DISPLAY AREA.
SO THE UTILIZATION THAT IS BUILDING WILL NOT CREATE ANY PARTICULAR, UH, ACCESSIBILITY OR PARKING ISSUES WITH RURAL KING OR FOR THE PROPOSED APPLICANT.
UH, THIS WILL JUST FOCUS A FORCE, A RECONSOLIDATION TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, UH, FOR RURAL CANE, UM, AND MOVING THROUGH THE, UH, AND MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, SOME COMMENTS THAT WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER, UH, THAT THIS IS A PERMITTED
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USE, UH, THAT AGAIN, UH, THE FACILITY ITSELF HAS BEEN, UM, MODIFIED SLIGHTLY IN LOCATION TO ACCOUNT FOR, UM, CALIFORNIA COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, IT NOTES, UH, THE BUFFER YARDS, UH, THE BA THE, UH, REVISED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, ALSO NOTES THE, UH, UH, THE GREEN SPACES, UH, WHICH WILL ACCOMMODATE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT LANDSCAPE PLAN.UH, WHEN THIS MATTER MOVES BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AS YOU'LL NOTE, UH, THERE ARE 45 SPACES REQUIRED, 61 ILLUSTRATED, UH, IN 38 ARE ON-SITE.
AND THIS GETS TO MY COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT SHARED PARKING, UM, ON THE RURAL KING SIDE OF, UM, UH, RURAL KING SIDE OF THE LINE.
UH, AND THAT IS NOTED HERE AS A BULLET POINT IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
UH, THERE WERE SOME SIGN MATTERS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UH, IN REVIEW, UH, PLANNING PERSONNEL FOUND THAT ALL OF THESE WERE COMPLIANT TO CODE OR, UM, EXCUSE ME, WERE REASONABLE TO THE CODE, UH, AND WERE WITHIN, UH, THE APPROPRIATE METRICS OF THE CODE, EXCUSE ME, HERE'S A OF THAT PARTICULAR SIGN PACKAGE.
THESE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE DRAWINGS OF WHAT WE COULD EXPECT TO SEE WHEN CONSTRUCTED AND WHEN APPROPRIATELY SIGNED, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL BASED ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THOSE ARE NOTED HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE PLACEMENT OF STREET TREES, UM, SCREENING, LIGHTING, STANDARDS, LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, UH, AND THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT AGREE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE FIRE CODES AS THIS ARE PRESENTED THROUGH THE REVIEW AND EVALUATION OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, AND THAT IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT HERE, UH, TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
SO I KNOW THERE'S A SERIES BEEN THERE.
SO HOW, HOW, HOW WIDE IS THAT AS BIG AS THAT, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION ON WHAT MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THAT PARKING LOT AND THAT BUILDING AND ACCESS ONTO, OUT ON THE TAYLORSVILLE.
IT'S AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE, MODIFY SOMETHING THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PLAN, BECAUSE I THINK ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THAT PARKING LOT, WE HAVE A ROAD, RIGHT, THAT COMES OFF OF WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD THAT DRIVES PARALLEL TO OLD TROY PIKE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST STOPS.
IT'S JUST LIKE NOT A ROAD ANYMORE, CORRECT.
HAVING THAT ROAD JUST DEAD END INTO ANOTHER BUILDING.
UM, AND IF THAT'S ACCESSIBLE THERE, I CAN SEE PEOPLE TRYING TO AVOID TRAFFIC ON OLD TROY PIKE COMING DOWN THAT ACCESS ROAD, AND THEN FLOODING THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT, TRYING TO GET OUT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE, TO AVOID TRAFFIC AND OLD TROY PIKE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN COMBINE THAT EXIT, JUST MOVE IT OVER.
AND SO MAYBE JUST HAVE ONE EXIT OR HAVE ANOTHER EXIT, BUT ACTUALLY COMPLETE THAT ROAD.
SO PEOPLE HAVE AN ACCESS OUT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE IF WE PUT THAT BUILDING THERE AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING REGARDING THAT ROAD TO CONTINUE THAT, AND IF THAT DESIGN MOVES FORWARD, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE STUCK CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED.
UM, UNDER THE INITIAL PLAN, UH, LET'S SEE HERE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SEWER MAIN, UM, IS WE'LL CALL IT RELATIVELY DEEP JUST FOR, UM, SIMPLE PURPOSES.
AND SO FOR EVERY FOOT YOU GO DOWN TO, UH, TO SERVICE, UH, UH, MAIN THIS DEEP, YOU HAVE TO GO TWO FEET OUT.
AND SO, UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAD HAD THIS BUILDING RIGHT ON THE EASEMENT LINE, WHICH, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, BASED ON DEPTH WOULD HAVE, UM, PUT OUR TRENCH FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.
AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT DID SLIDE THAT BUILDING TO THE LEFT, WHICH IS WHY, UM, YOU SEE, UH, ITS CONFIGURATION HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR WAY, SO THAT THE SEWER MAIN WOULD BE KIND OF OVER IN THIS DIRECTION.
HERE IS, YOU KNOW, AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THE ROAD IN QUESTION, MR. MAYOR IS, UH, UH, WHERE THE DELINEATED DRIVE, UH, IS AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
UH, I KNOW THAT WE HAD PASSED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS, CONCERNS TO PLANNING STAFF, UH, TO RELATE TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, HOW THIS COULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS, UM, MOVING FORWARD OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT BECOMES SOME KIND OF OTHER, UM, CONFIGURATION.
AND SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PLANNING STAFF AND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO RELAY OR NOT TO RELAY TO THE APPLICANT AND WHERE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN.
BUT WHAT I CAN SAY, SIR, IS THAT
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STAFF IS AWARE THAT, UM, CONTINUITY OF TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, PARALLEL TO ULTRA PIKE AND EVEN PERPENDICULAR TO ULTRA PIKE ON THIS PROPERTY DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.AND WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY AND CONSIDER THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT WITH THE PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE, UH, WITH A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL COMING IN AND THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE ACCESS POINT, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO RELATE TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
MA'AM, I'VE NEVER LIKED THE WAY THAT DELINEATED DRIVE, WHATEVER JUST STOPPED AND WENT INTO A PARKING LOT.
AND NOW THERE'S REALLY NO GOOD WAY TO GET AROUND IT BECAUSE ALL THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO NOW WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN BEFORE US, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADDRESS THAT SOME WAY, KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? ANOTHER ACCESS POINT TO HAVE SOME WAY ON THE TAYLORSVILLE.
THAT'S NOT OLD TROY PIKE, CORRECT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS NOW OR SOONER, OR WE HAVE A PLAN THAT DOESN'T, UM, DOES IMPEDE US BEING ABLE TO CORRECT IT RATHER THAN JUST STICKING A BUILDING IN THE PARKING LOT THAT BLOCKS OR CREATES EVEN MORE CONGESTION.
THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES HERE WITH THIS BEING ONE LARGE PARCEL THAT'S UNDER THE CONTROL AND THE OWNERSHIP OF RURAL KING.
SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER AVENUES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO TRY AND AFFECT SOME CHANGE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S KEY AT THIS STAGE FOR STAFF IS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP SOME CONCEPTS ON HOW BEST WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER ON THAT SIDE OF ULTRA PIKE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN ONCE WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THOSE VARIOUS PROPOSALS, WE CAN TAKE THOSE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, TRY AND WALK THROUGH HOW IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
AND THEN ONCE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS LOOK AT AND EVALUATE OUR BEST PATH FORWARD, BASED ON THOSE RESPONSES TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I GET THAT, AND I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IS TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE.
AND NOW WE'RE LIMITED IN THOSE OPTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A BIG MEDICAL BUILDING SITTING THERE, AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANNA HEAR TOO MUCH, OR NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS, OKAY, RICHARD, YOU BURTON.
UM, AND PART, I, UH, I AGREE SOLELY WITH THOSE COMMENTS.
WE HAVE TO DO, UM, A VERY QUICK AND EFFICIENT JOB AND ADDRESSING TRAFFIC ON THAT PROPERTY, WORKING WITH NOT ONLY RURAL KING BEARS AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT PARCEL, UM, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, ADDING ANOTHER CURB CUT ALONG TAYLORSVILLE BETWEEN THAT STRETCH OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF RURAL KING AND NOTRE PIKE, IN MY OPINION WILL BE DETRIMENTAL.
UM, AND IF ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM BELIEVES THAT, UH, THAT PUTTING A RIGHT TURN IN AND A RIGHT TURN OUT, UM, UH, AS DESIGNED HERE ON THE PHOTO, I WANT YOU TO GO DOWN AND SIT AT RAY'S DRIVE THROUGH FOR ABOUT A HALF HOUR AND TELL ME HOW THAT'S BEEN WORKING OUT BECAUSE IT HASN'T.
UM, SO IN MY OPINION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMPLETE CLUSTER NIGHTMARE RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU HAVE SUBMARINE HOUSE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF ROYAL KING.
THEN YOU'VE GOT RIGHT UP THE ROAD FROM THAT, UM, FIFTH, THIRD BANK, WHICH I CAN NOT TELL YOU HOW MANY NEAR FENDER BENDERS AND ACTUAL FENDER BENDERS HAVE OCCURRED THERE, UM, WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE ADDING MORE TRAFFIC THERE.
UM, SO IN MY, IN MY OPINION, IN SPEAKING WITH A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORS AND FOLKS THAT TRAVELED THE STREET ON A DAILY BASIS MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, IT HAS BEEN ASKED OF ME TO, UH, OPPOSE THIS AS, AS DESIGNED, UM, WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF, UH, ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT A CURB CUT DOES NOT EXIST IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH THE TRAFFIC ON SITE THERE, UM, AS ACCESS, ROADS AND EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN USED, UH, BY PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES FOR ONSITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UM, WITHIN SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, WITHOUT A CURB CUT THERE, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, UH, I WOULD THEN APPROVE THAT MATTER.
UM, BUT WE, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON HERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, SERVICE LOCATION, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AMBULATORY SERVICE.
UM, LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS ADD TO IT WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS OUTSIDE THE LOCATION.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME MINDS TOGETHER AND WORK ON THIS.
BRIAN COMES, SHE HAS A DRAWING THAT GOES TO, THAT SHOWS THE, THE LANE OR THE GOES OUT ON OLD TROY.
SO HOW, CAUSE THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE ROAD THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF, THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT ON THE OLD TROY WHERE THAT LIGHT IS GOING TO GO.
THAT GOES INTO THE BROADER SETTLEMENT.
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OKAY.SO HOW SOON CAN WE GET
SO EVEN THERE, AND EVEN THOUGH ON A BIRKIN, WHEREVER, IT'S A, HOW SOON CAN WE GET SOME STRIPING IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING UP THERE, LIKE, I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE SEPARATE THAN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, BUT IT'S ALL TOGETHER.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW WITHIN THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE GONE TO PULL OUT AND I WANT TO MAKE A RIGHT-HAND TURN THERE'S ROOM ENOUGH FOR THREE LANES THERE, ONE COMING IN AND TWO GOING OUT, I WANT TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON OLD TROY PIKE.
AND I CAN'T BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE IN THE FAR RIGHT PART OF THAT DRIVE WITH THEIR LEFT TURN SIGNAL ON.
AND WHEN THEY MAKE A LEFT TURN AND I CAN'T GO BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FREE FOR ALL.
AND BOTH OF THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE OPENINGS GOING OUT ON, DOWN ON THE WHOLE TROY PARK.
SO I THINK I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE BUILDING, THE FACILITY.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THE MEDICAL FACILITY THERE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO FIGURE OUT HOW TRAFFIC IS GOING TO MOVE IN AND AROUND THIS FACILITY WITH ULTRA PIKE, TAYLORSVILLE AND THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO, UM, THAT TO ME NEEDS TO BE A MUCH BIGGER OVERALL DESIGN ELEMENT AND PLAINTIFF THIS AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE BUILDING CORRECTLY.
WE HAVE, WE GOT SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE THAT WE CAN'T JUST OVERLOOK.
AND WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION, THE ENGINEER, AND I HAVE ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, STRIPING ON THAT WEST SIDE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT.
OF WAY TO TRY AND GIVE FOLKS, UM, THE VISUAL CUE OF HOW TO ALIGN SO THAT THEY CAN MANEUVER THROUGH, UH, THEY CAN MANEUVER BETTER THROUGH THOSE, UH, DRIVEWAYS OUT ONTO, UM, ULTRA.
SO THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD THAT IS, UM, UH, THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT, UH, WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE, IS IT THE STRIPING, THE NEXT, UH, LINING PACKAGE, OR WAS THAT PART OF THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING WITH OLD TROY ON THE EAST SIDE, WHEN WE HAVE THAT RESTRIPED, THAT WAS COMING IN WITH THE OLD TROY.
BUT THE OLD TROY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UH, MAYBE CAUSE AT ANYTIME HE PULLED INTO A LARGE PARKING LOT, LIKE WE HAVE EVEN AT MOORPARK CENTER SURE.
PEOPLE ARE DARTING ACROSS ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, TRYING TO GET TOLD, YOU KNOW, THEY COME OFF THE MAIN ROAD AND THEY JUST IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY JUST FAIL.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? I MEAN, I'M SURPRISED MORE ACCIDENTS DON'T HAPPEN IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING EVERY WHICH WAY YOU CAN CLEARLY LOOK AT THIS AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE DARKER, WHERE THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN ASPHALT OF WHERE IT GOES INTO THE OLDER PIECE.
AND THAT'S STILL A DELINEATED ROADWAY BEHIND DIOP.
AND ONCE IT STOPS BECAUSE THERE'S BUSINESSES THAT LINE THERE, YOU KNOW, SKYLINE ON UP THERE, ONCE THAT STOPS, YOU JUST TURN INTO THIS BIG FREE FOR ALL IN THIS BIG OPEN SPACE.
AND, AND THEN EVEN WITHOUT THAT BUILDING THERE, THAT'S JUST ONE AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT A ROAD THAT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD.
UM, DURING THIS CONVERSATION THAT BROUGHT UP ANOTHER POINT THAT I'VE HAD WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND A FEW BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA.
IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM THERE AND LOOK AT THE WAY THE PARKING IS DIRECTIONALLY DONE, UM, AT ROYAL KING TODAY, THIS BUILDING AND THE LAYOUT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT A CHUNK AND, OR ALTER HOW THAT PARKING HAS DONE.
UM, DO WE HAVE A NEW CONFIGURATION FROM ROYAL KING ON HOW THAT PARKING'S GOING TO LINE UP? WELL, WE'RE CURRENTLY FOCUSED ON THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS A PART FROM RURAL KING.
SO DOES RURAL KING NOT OWN THIS PROPERTY BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? SO RURAL KING OWNS THE PARENT PARCEL, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVIDED PARCEL FOR WHICH THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL.
SO WE ARE FOCUSING OUR COMMENTS ONLY TO THE APPLICANT'S PARCEL WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
HOWEVER, AS THE MAYOR HAS STATED, AND I COMPLETELY ENDS AND STANDING WITH HIM ON THIS TOPIC, THIS IS A MUCH LARGER TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUE, UM, IN THIS GENERAL AREA, UM, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE THE, UM, REDESIGN OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL FOR WORLD, KING'S GOING TO GO, UM, I JUST HAVE A LOT OF UNKNOWN QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, ERIN, LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT SOME OF THESE BEING ADDRESSED AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, I WOULD OBJECT TO THIS MOVING FORWARD IN THE COMMENTS, THOUGHTS.
BRIAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SIGNAGE AND MAYBE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS OR THE APPLICANT CAN HELP ME.
SO THIS IS AN OUTPATIENT FACILITY, CORRECT? I BELIEVE OUTPATIENT.
MA'AM, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THE SPECIFIC USE OF, AND WHY DOES IT SAY EMERGENCY?
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SO IS THIS GONNA BE AN EMERGENCY ROOM? THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SIR.COULD YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? WHOEVER'S GOING TO ANSWER.
BUT I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, I'M TODD KINDLEBERGER WITH APP ARCHITECTURE, UH, FROM INGLEWOOD.
UM, YES, IT'S A, IT'S AN OUTPATIENT ORIENTED EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
UH, THERE'S NO PATIENTS STAYING OVERNIGHT OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT THERE, IT'S BASICALLY KIND OF A COMBINATION URGENT CARE, UH, AND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY'RE COMING FOR EMERGENCY CARE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, A SEVERE HEART ATTACK OR WHATEVER, THEY WILL BE TRANSPORTED DOWN TO.
SO AMBULANCES WILL BE COMING AND GOING FROM THERE.
IS THAT WHAT AMBULANCES WILL BE COMING IN AND DEPARTING FROM THERE? GENERALLY MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, FROM MY CLIENT IS THAT MOST PATIENTS WILL NOT COME HERE BY AMBULANCE.
THEY WILL LEAVE HERE BY AMBULANCE.
IF THEY, IF THEY'RE DEEMED TO BE A SEVERE ENOUGH CASE, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PRESENTED THEMSELVES AT THIS LOCATION.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING OR WE'LL HAVE A BASEMENT.
THAT'S A, ONE-STORY BUILDING, WE'LL HAVE A BASEMENT FOR OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DON? I DO.
MA'AM UM, I SEE, UH, MR. JEFFERS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, UH, AND ATTEND THIS MINE.
WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I ASKED HIM A FEW QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY, JIM, WOULD YOU MIND? SURE.
I KNOW THE INITIAL PRESENTATION HAD THAT, UH, ACCESS ROAD ACTUALLY CLOSER TO FIFTH, THIRD, CORRECT.
AND WAS IT PLANNING COMMISSION ON THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSION THAT, UH, I KNOW A PART OF PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ACTUALLY MOVING THE BUILDING AWAY FROM THE EASEMENT LINE, BUT IT WAS THE, UM, MOVING TO THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
NO, ACTUALLY, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE PARKING LOT, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE RECOMMENDED, UM, BECAUSE THIS HAS CHANGED THE ORIENTATION.
SO IF YOU CAN DO THE ONE THAT ZOOMS OUT, THERE YOU GO.
SO BEFORE THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS BASICALLY RIGHT OFF OF FIFTH, THIRD, SO THE CONCERN WAS THE RIGHT END RIGHT OUT IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FIFTH, THIRD, OR IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE OTHER ONE, BUT THE CUT INS TO MR. SHARLA'S POINT.
UH, SO ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WAS ONE THE ROAD.
WE DEFINITELY SUGGESTED THAT THE BUILDING BE SHIFTED DOWN TO WHERE IT IS IN LINE WITH THE ISLANDS, UH, IN THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT TO CREATE THAT LANE THROUGH THERE WAS DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANE GOING IN THAT CLOSE TO FIFTH.
I THINK I HAD, EVEN, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS WHAT WAS YOUR SHOW ABOUT THE KNEE NEAR ACCIDENTS OR ACCIDENTS? I THINK AT SOME POINT, LIKE WE DID A, UH, AN OVERALL KIND OF TRAFFIC DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
I THINK THAT SAME LEVEL OF DISCUSSION IS GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN HERE AT SOME POINT, UH, INCLUDING POSSIBLY MAKING IT NO LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF FIFTH, THIRD, I MEAN, TOOK DIVERT TRAFFIC.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID COME UP AS WELL AFTER THE FACT THAT I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK UP, UH, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, IF IT IS, UH, ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION, I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW HUBER HEALTH CENTER BECAME HUBER EMERGENCY, HOW IT'S THEY'LL GET EMERGENCY IN AT TIMES.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO NEED, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY MOM WAS ADMITTED, THEY JUST TOOK HER STRAIGHT TO DAYTON INSTEAD OF GOING UP TO HUBERT.
CAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN AT SOME POINT.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT CURB CUT.
THAT'S GONNA REDIRECT AN AMBULANCE IN A HURRY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO LEFT TURN IN, WE DON'T WANT THE AMBULANCE DRIVING THROUGH A PARKING LOT TO GET TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD COME UP.
NO, WE DIDN'T SUGGEST MOVING IT.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN COMBINE ENTRANCES? LIKE WHAT MR. SHAW HAD RECOMMENDED SO AWESOME.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT WE, WE DO THINK THAT THERE IS A ROAD.
THAT'S NOT A ROAD THAT IF THE BUILDING BLOCKS IT, WE CAN NEVER GO BACK AND DESERT, WHETHER THAT ROAD HAPPENS NOW, ONCE IT'S THERE AS PERMANENT, EXCUSE ME.
AND IT'S A MINOR THING, BUT I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, UM, PYLON SIGN IS, UH, EIGHT FOOT.
AND I RECALL SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
SO I SAID THAT THE W THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT AS A SIX-FOOT I'M SURE WHEN IT COMES BACK, IT WAS DISCUSSED AND WENT BACK AND FORTH.
AND AT THAT POINT IT WAS, HEY, THIS IS THE BASIC PLAN.
WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT WHEN IT COMES BACK.
I THINK IN THAT AREA, UM, WE'VE HELD TO THAT SIX FOOT NUMBER ON EVERY OTHER PROJECT AROUND THERE.
SO I, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN AND, AND I'LL GO AND ADDRESS ONE OF MR. SHAW'S QUESTIONS AS WELL ABOUT THE
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PARKING LOT, VERY CLEAR IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT PLAYING ON THAT COMING UP BEFORE THE DETAIL GETS APPROVED AS WELL ON OUR SIDE, TH THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FINAL, UM, POINT OF DISCUSSION.THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT OUR SITUATION WITH RURAL KING.
AND, UM, BRIAN, YOU ALLUDED TO THAT WHEN YOU SAID THE, UM, IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT UP, THAT PREVIOUS, THE AREA THAT WAS APPROVED FOR, UH, OUTDOOR SALES VERSUS, UM, WHAT IS NOW BEING USED FOR OUTDOOR SALES? HOW, HOW DID WE GET HERE AND HOW DO WE GET BACK TO, UM, SOME SOMEONE SOLD WHAT WAS APPROVED? THAT WAS, UH, IF I REMEMBER THAT WAS A HUGE DISCUSSION.
SO THIS, THIS PARKING LOT, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES AND PLANNING ABOUT HOW DO WE GET TO ADDRESS SOMETHING HERE? AND THIS IS THE TIME AND THE OTHER WAY WE SAW IT.
SO IT, THERE, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WHEN IT GETS BACK INTO PLANNING.
I MEAN, WE TOLD THEM NOT TO BE SURPRISED IF AN APPROVAL DOES HANG ON THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IT, FOR RIGHT NOW, FOR ME, IT WOULD, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE A OUTDOOR SALES THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT HASN'T, I MEAN, I JUST DROVE BY THERE TODAY AND THEY GOT THE CONCRETE BARRIERS BACK UP THAT BLOCKS IT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY NEVER GOT APPROVAL TO DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DON'T JUST GO AHEAD AND FIX THAT NOW, REGARDLESS OF THIS CASE.
UH, BUT TO YOUR POINT OF WHERE WILL THE OTHER OUTDOOR STORAGE GO WHEN THIS HAPPENS? OUR ANSWER WAS PRETTY MUCH GO AWAY.
I MEAN, LET'S CLEAN IT BACK UP.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO CLOSE? ALL THREE, UH, CURB CUTS ON TAYLORSVILLE, AN ENGINEER, ONE MAYBE ON TROY.
SO USE IT AS A SHARED ACCESS TO ROLL KING, THEIR PROPOSAL AND FIFTH, THIRD.
SO THERE, THERE WASN'T A FORMAL DISCUSSION.
IT WAS MORE AGAIN, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THIS? LIKE WHAT WAS DONE ACROSS THE STREET? I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT IT.
I PERSONALLY THINK, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT OTHER LIGHT COMING IN FROM BURGER KING, RIGHT THERE THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS AT THE ROAD BY HOP WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT ROAD, THAT COULD BE A ROAD.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
LONG-TERM AS PERSONALLY AS SOMETHING I WOULD SAY NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PLAN, UH, AS FAR AS COULD WE ELIMINATE THE CURB CUTS? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD.
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO PERSONALLY SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, FIFTH, THIRD, IF WE, THEY WOULD SAY, YEAH, SURE.
WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND REROUTE TRAFFIC TO THE INTERIOR.
SO THAT LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT OR THE LEFT TURNS ARE GOING TO LIGHTS EXCEPT TAILORS OF THEM YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO OUT ON TAYLORVILLE AND TURN, YOU CAN GO LEFT, BUT AT 2 0 2, ALL THE NON LIGHT, UH, EXITS ARE RIGHT ONLY X.
AND THEN THE LEFT TURN IS AT THE LIGHT.
SO YEAH, DOING SOMETHING THAT PUSHES ALL THE TRAFFIC INTO A PATTERN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, I WOULD SAY.
AND WE DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THERE, BUT BRIAN DISTRICT FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT THE MAYOR AND MR. SHAW POINTED OUT I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT ALSO.
AND I'M WONDERING IF STAFF WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY, THE TIME, THE APPETITE TO MAYBE CONTRACT, UH, WITH A COMPANY, AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO TRY AND DESIGN THIS NOW, WHILE WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL AND JUST CLEAN IT ALL UP.
UM, I, UM, A LOT OF PARTS HERE, UM, IN A BROAD SENSE.
SO LET ME SIMPLIFY MY QUESTION.
WOULD STAFF BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT AND GET BACK WITH US? SURE.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, EVERYTHING HERE THAT COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY TO ADDRESS HOW THOSE RELATE TO THE APPLICANT'S TIMELINE VERSUS HOW THEY RELATE TO THE INTEREST OF ALL OF THE PARTIES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ALL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ALIGN TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NOT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO SEE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
THEY'VE MADE, THEY'RE MAKING THEIR MONEY, THEY HAVE THEIR PROFIT MARGINS.
AND SO OUR ABILITY TO JUST COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I NEED YOU TO PAINT LINES, RURAL KING, HEY, FIFTH, THIRD.
I NEED YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR CURB CUT HERE AND MOVE IT OVER HERE.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAN OTHERS.
MOST LIKELY IN THESE PARTICULAR INSTANCES, WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING
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IS THERE WAS A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH, I THINK IT WAS WAYNE TOWN IN THE PAST, THAT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT BECAME A PUBLIC ROAD.I WOULD SAY MOST LIKELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION IS JUST THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT TRYING TO DELINEATE WHAT IS THE ROAD.
THAT'S NOT A ROAD WE WOULD ASK FOR EVERYONE'S COOPERATION.
THOSE WHO DID NOT COOPERATE, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO ENCOURAGE THEIR COOPERATION THROUGH OTHER LEGAL MEANS.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I WOULD NOTE THAT ON THIS APPLICATION, IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE IS NO PHYSICAL STRUCTURE HERE.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS LINES ON PAVEMENT OR GRASS, AND WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO RECONFIGURE THESE ACCESS DRIVES.
IF WE ARE GOING TO BECOME INVOLVED, LONG-TERM IF WE ARE GOING TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM LONGTERM, UH, WE CAN, WE COULD JUST AS EASILY REMOVE PAVEMENT AND SET PARKING, YOU KNOW, UM, ISLANDS OR TRAFFIC CONTROL ISLANDS, JUST AS EASILY AS WE CAN REMOVE GRASS AND PAVEMENT AND PROVIDE FOR STREETS.
I THINK I KNOW, UM, THAT STAFF HAS CLEARLY HEARD THE EXPECTATION IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC, LONGEST CORRIDOR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE SOME HUMAN RESOURCE LIMITATIONS AT THE MOMENT.
AND SO SOME THINGS SUCH AS, UH, IF WE HAD A FULL-TIME PLANNER ON STAFF, WE COULD PROBABLY ENGINEER, OR WE COULD PROBABLY DESIGN A LOT OF THIS INTERNALLY BETWEEN MR. BERGMAN AND A PLANNER ON STAFF.
UM, OUR ABILITY RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE TIME THAT WE HAVE ABILITY TO DEDICATE TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE COMING IN BASED ON THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO NOT MOVE ON THIS PLAN UNTIL WE HAVE A MORE PERMANENT RESOLUTION, IT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE TO DO SO.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, UH, INFLUENTIAL IN COUNCIL, MAKING ITS DECISION.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS, IS WE WILL WORK TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN IS APPROVED OR WHETHER OR NOT, UH, IT IS DENIED.
AND WE LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING TO CORRECT THESE ISSUES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN TELLING THEM WE'LL WORK WITH THEM.
AS SOON AS WE FIGURE OUT THIS PROBLEM, I'M INTERESTED IN WORKING OUT THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? COULD THE APPLICANT OR WHOEVER YOU MIGHT BE COME BACK TO THE PODIUM.
IF I CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP ON THAT TOO.
SO WHICH THIS'LL WILL BE SOMETHING FOR THEM TO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MISSED WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DISCUSS WAS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE LOCATION LEFT OR RIGHT ENTRANCE.
AND AS THE AMBULANCE DELIVERY AT THE REAR.
SO THAT ROAD ON THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, I'M PRETTY SURE IT DOES AFFECT SOMETHING WITH THEIR ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING.
SO I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS BROUGHT IN THE DISCUSSION.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING WHICH ROAD IT IS AS WELL.
SO IT MAKES SURE WE DON'T MISS THAT BECAUSE I DID COME UP.
I EVER WENT AND BRIAN DEAN AND THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTING OUR CLIENT COME AND HELP ME MOVE THIS FORWARD.
HOW SOON ARE YOU OR HOPING TO PLAN ON STARTING THIS? WE WERE REALLY, THIS PROCESS WAS THE CRITICAL PATH TO GETTING A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
SO OPEN LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER THAT.
AND ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY? IF WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO ELIMINATE THE CURB CUTS ON TAYLORSVILLE AND HAVE A COMMON CURB CUT ENTRANCE ACCESS ON OLD TROY PIKE ON OLD? WELL, SEE WHEN IT COMES TO FREE-STANDING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, ACCESS IS EVERYTHING.
AND SO IF YOU, IN, IN THE, AND IF PEOPLE ARE COMING BY AMBULANCE, WHICH BY THE WAY IS LESS THAN 5% OF THE PATIENT POPULATION ESTIMATE, IF YOU, THEY DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND SO IF THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND IF YOU'RE, SO IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LEFTOVER AND IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RIDE.
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PATIENT POPULATION WOULD BE BECOMING NORTH, I THINK.
AND SO NOT IDEAL TO CROSS THAT ROAD.
UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING, FRANKLY, TO MAKE THE THING ABOUT THE CURB CUT, WHERE TO JUST ON THIS DRAWING.
NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE BETWEEN THE IHUB HOP AND THE FIFTH, THIRD, SOME KIND OF A MAIN ENTRANCE THERE AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
SO YOU COULD TURN LEFT OR RIGHT INTO THE PROJECT.
THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE CUTTING ACROSS HAVING ONLY ONE POINT OF ACCESS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR OUR SIDE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST YOU'RE LIMITING IT TO JUST ONE SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS.
AND THEN YOU KIND OF COME IN AND YOU'VE GOT A JOG DOWN.
YOU'VE GOT TO KIND OF WIGGLE YOUR WAY IN VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THAT'S STILL AN OPTION.
BUT I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WOULD COME IN FROM THE, FROM THE BOTTOM, BUT
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THE POPULAR, I MEAN, THE, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT OTHER BUSINESSES, THEY PROBABLY SEE HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 30 PATIENTS PER DAY.UM, AND MAYBE UP TO, UP TO 50 OR 55 RANK AT MAX CAPACITY.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE, HUGE PUSH.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING YOU THIS, I'M OPPOSED TO THE CURB CUT ON TAYLORSVILLE.
IF THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TONIGHT.
I CAN'T SAY IF IT IS OR NOT, IT MIGHT BE.
COULD YOU GET WITH US? YEAH, I GUESS.
AND SO THE CURB CUT REALLY IN GENERAL AS THE PROBLEM, BUT WE WERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOVING, IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING.
CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO, WE WERE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU.
I CAN'T UNILATERALLY JUST SAY TONIGHT, Y YOU KNOW, MY HOPES WOULD BE THAT YOU WORKED WITH THE CITY, THE CITY WORKED WITH THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER AND THE EFFECTED, UH, OWNERS AND TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES AND WOULD MAKE YOUR FACILITY FUNCTION EVEN BETTER.
BUT, BUT IF A CURB CUT ON, UH, NOT A CORPORATE CUT ON TAYLORSVILLE IS, UH, IS A DEAL BREAKER.
WE CAN AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THAT AND MOVE ANOTHER DIRECTION.
UM, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR CLIENT AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, IT'S THE CONCERN MORE, SO PEOPLE LEAVING THE PROPERTY OR PEOPLE ENTERING THE PROPERTY.
IT'S THE CURB CUT FOR ME? THE CURB CUT.
EVEN IF IT, EVEN IF IT WAS AN INTER ONLY CURB CUT THAT WOULD STILL BE OF CONCERNS.
AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S THE THREE CURB CUTS, UH, ALL THEY, ALL THREE PROPERTIES, NOT, NOT JUST OURS, WHICH IS A NUMBER OF CURB CUTS IN THAT SHORT AREA.
UH, THAT REALLY DOESN'T FUNCTION WELL RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, THIS IS MY, THIS IS MY, MY WARD.
AND LIKE I SAID, I LIVE JUST OFF OF THIS STREET.
UM, AND, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, TO COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S POINT, IT DOES NOT FUNCTION WELL AT ITSELF.
I KNOW THERE WAS A, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ON, YOU KNOW, EVEN TAKING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER, OUT TO WAYNE TOWN, UH, POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO BOUGHT THE OLD DENBURY SHOPPING CENTER, UH, TO RELIEVE SOME OF THAT STRESS.
UH, SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ON THIS THAT IT'S KIND OF BEEN FLOATED ABOUT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'LL JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY IT OUTRIGHT.
YOU JUST HAPPENED TO POSSIBLY COME AT A RIGHT TIME.
IF WE CAN WORK WITH YOU, NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL OR WRONG TIME, BECAUSE OF ALL THE, THE MOVEMENTS AND TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT'S GOING ON THERE, I'M OPEN YOU COME AT A RIGHT TIME AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, UM, AND, AND SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT'S GOING ON THERE.
UM, I JUST THINK YOUR DEVELOPMENT SPAWNED A DISCUSSION THAT KIND OF IN BREWING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE, IS THERE A FORMAL PLAN THAT WE COULD SEE OF WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED OVER ON THE, UH, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER REALLY EXISTED, AT LEAST AT LEAST ENOUGH TO SEE WHERE THE ROADWAYS ARE AT AND ON HIS CHURCH, HE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.
WE DON'T NEED THAT, BUT JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND GLENN, I'VE GOT ONE MORE COMMENT IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, AND THIS WAS DIANA'S IDEA, JUST KIND OF THINKING UNVETTED COMPLETELY WITH RURAL KING, BUT WHAT IF WE COULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE COMBINED THE TWO CURB CUTS THE EXISTING ONE AND MAYBE LINED IT UP RIGHT.
WHERE THAT STREET ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PICTURE COMES OUT.
IF WE REDUCED ANOTHER ONE, WOULD THAT MAYBE SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR GET CLOSER TO IT FOR ME PERSONALLY? YES.
JUST MIND YOU ON THIS SIDE, I LIVE NEAR THERE AS WELL.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO COME OUT OF RURAL KING AND TAKE A TURN IT'S NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO COME OUT OF FIFTH, THIRD.
I MEAN, YOU SEE, YOU GOT TO TURN RIGHT INTO THE CENTER OF THE TURN LANE GOING ON DETROIT, AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO DO IT.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, HONESTLY.
IT'S WAY TOO CLOSE TO THE LIGHT.
UM, SO I THINK AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT IS AGAIN.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA NOW, THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT TO THE WESTERN CUT THERE RIGHT NEXT TO RURAL KING.
I MEAN, YOU COME IN, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A, AN EASY RIGHT TURN AND YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, DOES THAT NOT WORK JUST THAT, THAT EXISTING CURB CUT.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T TAKE YOU WE'VE BEEN BOBBING THROUGH ANYTHING AND JUST IN RIGHT TURN AND YOU'RE IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
UH, THE, THE CONCERN IS SOMEBODY COMING HERE IN AN EMERGENCY AND THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO GET IN, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION THEY'RE COMING,
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THEY COULD EASILY PASS UP THAT ENTRANCE POINT BEFORE THEY EVEN POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR THAT SAYS AT THAT CURB CUT, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE SIGNAGE OR THE OTHER, I MEAN, A BIG, BIG RED AND WHITE EMERGENCY SIGN, BUT THAT ENTRANCE WOULD LET ME KNOW.THIS IS WHERE I GOT TO TURN TURNER.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, WHEN IT WAS MENTIONED THE EIGHT FOOT GROUND SIGN, I, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MR. JEFFRIES.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN PRETTY WELL FOCUSED ON SIX FOOT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD HEIGHT THEN.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGE TO SIX FOOT.
WE'RE THERE TODAY KIND OF TAKING A LOOK AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT, THERE'S A 10 FOOT GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF FIFTH, THIRD, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE FAR WEST PART OF OUR SITE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE ASKED FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO FEET, JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE, SHE ACTUALLY TOOK SOME PICTURES, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING THERE, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE TOP OF THE FIFTH, THIRD SIDE, LET ALONE ANYTHING WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE.
SO RIGHT BEFORE WE ROLL IT OUT ENTIRELY.
AND I KNOW OTHERS HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT TOO.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH A WAY TOO TALL, A SIGN AT M I HOP BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T CALLED ENOUGH FOR THEM.
SO THEY PUT IN WHATEVER THEY WANTED.
AND WHEN YOU'RE STUCK WITH THEM, YOU DON'T MISS THE EYE OP-EDS AND IT'S RIDICULOUSLY TALL SIGN IN MY OPINION.
NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 30 TO 50 CLIENTS AND SOME EMPLOYEES THERE IT'S MORE THAT EVERYBODY, OH, THEY USED TO BE ABLE TO CUT THROUGH RURAL KING BEFORE THEY WERE THERE.
THAT BUSINESS WENT TO PUTTING UP CEMENT BLOCKS AND THEY BLOCKED OFF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH.
SO YOU MAY HAVE 30 TO 50 THERE'S 300 PEOPLE IS GOING TO CUT THROUGH YOUR LOT.
AND I DO NOT WANT TO PUT PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRAFFIC PATH.
AND I LIKE, I WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND CARING FOR YOUR PATIENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CROSS A SUB STATE HIGHWAY TO GET TO ACROSS THE BUILDING.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT I DON'T SEE THAT ANYBODY UP HERE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A MEDICAL FACILITY THERE.
AND I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT RICHARD SAID.
DO YOU GUYS HEAR EITHER THE RIGHT TIME OR THE WRONG TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS BRINGING OUT SOME CONCERNS WE'VE GOT ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN A, IN A, IN A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE, BUT, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO LOOK AT THAT SITE AND PLOPPING A MEDICAL FACILITY THERE WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE BIG PICTURE, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST AN EMPTY PIECE OF LAND.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEPLACE ELSE.
THIS IS PLOPPING INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT ALREADY HAS SOME CHALLENGES.
AND I THINK, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT COUNCIL IS NOT OPPOSED.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU, HAVE STAFF WORK WITH YOU, UM, NOT PUT OFF THE PROJECT, NOT GO BACK AND TELL YOUR CLIENT.
I MEAN, THOSE GUYS ARE, BUT NO, WE HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT WE JUST, WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH.
AND I'D MUCH RATHER TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU AND YOUR CLIENT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FACILITY AND A TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT MAKES YOUR CLIENT'S BUSINESS RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY AND BETTER.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST ADDING TO AN ADDITIONAL PROBLEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHOUT FIXING.
SO I THINK THAT IS ABOUT THE BEST SUMMARY THAT I CAN GIVE.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY DIFFERENT OPINION, PLEASE DO DON, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
I NOTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YOU, UM, UM, DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU HAD REFERRED TO SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS, UH, UH, YOU'RE FACED WITH WORKING WITH RURAL KING, UM, ESPECIALLY LIKE WITH, UM, WHEN THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE THAT WE NEEDED TO RELOCATE THE BUILDING FURTHER, FURTHER WEST WEST.
UH, WHEN YOU HAD TO RELOCATE TO BUILDING FURTHER WEST.
SO YOU'RE UNDER SOME CONSTRAINTS THERE WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF WHAT RURAL KING IS GOING TO GIVE YOU.
UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT LATER MORE OF THAT, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE, THERE WAS A RELUCTANCE TO THEY, THEY WANTED, THIS WAS THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT THEY FELT THEY COULD GIVE UP AND, AND THE SHAPE THAT WAS THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION TONIGHT, UH, FROM COUNCIL MULATTO THAT, UH, PERHAPS A RIGHT TURN DOWN ACROSS THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT.
WHAT AM I HAVE TO AGREE? IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
BUT DO YOU FEEL THERE WOULD BE SOME CONSTRAINTS WORKING WITH RURAL CANE TRYING TO, UH, GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED? UM, MY GUESS IS YES.
SO I WORKED WITH RURAL KING TO GET THIS PARCEL UNDER CONTRACT.
WE DID ASK FOR, UH, ANOTHER, UH, TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AND THEY SAID, UM, JUST DUE TO OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
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THAT, UH, THIS IS THE MOST THEY CAN GIVE US ONCE WE PRESS THAT A FEW TIMES, UH, IT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.
AND I'M GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT ROYAL KING, BUT YOU GO INTO OPERATIONALLY SPEAKING.
THEY DON'T HAVE APPROVAL FOR PRODUCT STORAGE, CORRECT? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SPACE FOR PRODUCT SALES IF THEY HAVE SOME EXTRAS OF THERE, BUT NOT JUST STORING ALL KINDS OF STUFF THERE.
SO, SO IF PART OF THEIR LACK OF LET'S CALL IT RESISTANCE TO WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER HERE IN ACQUIRING CENTURY ACREAGE, BECAUSE THEY JUST LIKE HAVING A PLACE, THEY CAN STORE MULCH IN 15 FEET HIGH.
WELL, THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT ANYWAY.
SO I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF ISSUES HERE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH, WITH EVERYBODY ON THIS SITE.
I MEAN, THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER BUSINESSES NOW THAT THEY ROLL KINGS DOING IT.
SO WE JUST STARTED SEEING STUFF STARTING TO PACK UP AND STORE UP ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THAT PARKING LOT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE AN AUCTION SITE.
AND, UM, THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME.
I'VE ASKED THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO START ENFORCEMENT HERE, THEN WE NEED TO BEGIN ENFORCING UNIFORMLY AND TO SIMPLY APPLY ALL OF OUR COLLECTIVE RESOURCES TO EXPEDITE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION MIGHT DO US MORE HARM THAN GOOD IN TRYING TO RECTIFY AND TRYING TO RECTIFY THE PROLIFERATION OF OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO WE ARE WORKING TO RESPOND TO THOSE CONCERNS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, UH, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING RURAL KING INTO CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT THEY WERE APPROVED FOR AND TO BRING OTHERS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE OTHER PROVISIONS OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE GOT OTHER PERMISSIONS OR NOT.
THOSE THAT ARE WORKING OUTSIDE OF THOSE PROVISIONS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK IN LINE.
SO WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THAT PLAN.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'M IN FAVOR OF ENFORCING THE CODE.
DON, CAN I ADD JUST ONE MORE THING? SURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE ISSUES THAT CITY COUNCIL AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION ARE FACED WITH THE TRAFFIC AS I, UH, A NIGHTMARE THERE.
UH, ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED EXCEPT FOR THE SIGN IS THE TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE THERE.
AS YOU COME ACROSS, UH, TAYLORSVILLE HEADING WESTBOUND AND COME DOWN THE HILL, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN IN.
AND HIS COUNSEL MULATTO ALLUDED TO, UH, EVEN FIFTH.
UH, THE RURAL KING EXIT, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT ISN'T MUCH BETTER.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THE, UH, I LOVE THE CONCEPT.
I LIKE USING A BIG, EMPTY PARKING LOT.
THAT'S NOT BEING USED TO PUT IN A FACILITY OF THIS NATURE, BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON THE TRAFFIC THINGS.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE CITY, BUT ONLY IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ONE QUESTION I HAD IS, IS, UM, ARE THESE ISSUES FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAD WAS FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE GETTING IT REZONED TO PLAN THE OFFICE.
CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? AND THEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE TAKE CARE OF THE CURB CUTS.
I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR DO WE GET IT ALL NOT TO ANSWER FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER SITTING BEHIND YOU, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE'LL HAVE TO CONFORM.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO REFER TO CLOSE TO THE BASIC PLAN PRESENTED IN MY CORRECT BRIAN, WELL, COUNCIL HAS AN ABILITY TO AMEND THE BASIC PLAN AS IT'S PRESENTED.
SO YOU IN EFFECT COULD APPROVE THIS PLAN STIPULATED ON AND THEN LIST ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT.
THE REZONING WOULD EFFECTIVELY THEN MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE STIPULATED CONDITION.
IT WOULD BE THE SITE PLAN, UM, OR THE W IS WHAT HAS THE STIPULATED CONDITIONS WITH IT.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO, BUT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE CONCERNS, UM, THAN SHOULD BE CONDITIONED ON A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT WE CAN WORK FOR, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, WELL, IT'D BE WORTHWHILE TO MOVE TO, UH, JUST TO MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, FIND OUT WHICH WOULD BE TWO WEEKS,
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FIND OUT WHAT CAN BE.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO SOON, BUT AT LEAST HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO HELP US GET TO A POINT OF BEING COMFORTABLE, APPROVING A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PROBABLY NEEDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY STUDY THAT SITE AND COME UP WITH KIND OF THEIR OWN CONDITIONS TO BE PREPARED, TO TALK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER RIGHT.
IN A RUSH WAY, BECAUSE IT DESERVES, I AGREE WITH, WITH DON IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT DESERVES ALL THE ATTENTION THAT WE CAN GIVE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT WORKS FOR YOU AND US.
SO, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS TEAM PRIDES ITSELF AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
THERE MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE USE THAT CURB CUTS IMPORTANT.
SO WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT IF IT'S A DEAL BREAKER, BUT, UH, WE DO, WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYONE, FOR SURE.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, FIND OUT WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN GET BETWEEN STAFF AND YOUR TEAM.
STAFF WOULD CERTAINLY LET US KNOW IF BY THE NEXT WORK SESSION, IF THERE'S A REASON TO HAVE IT ON THAT AGENDA, IF YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH, WORKED OUT TO AT LEAST START THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, MAYBE TWO WEEKS, ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO GET THERE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL AT LEAST KNOW, BUT I THINK IN BROAD STROKES HERE, CERTAINLY TO YOU AND TO YOUR CLIENT, LET THEM KNOW WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
WE JUST, THERE, WE JUST GOTTA GET THERE.
WE JUST GOTTA GET THIS FIGURED OUT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY I DON'T LIKE IT.
IT'S THE CONDITIONS THAT IT'S IN BASED ON THE LOCATION WE HAVE TO FIX.
YOU KNOW, I, I, LIKE I SAID, WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN WORKING WITH EVERYONE.
MATTER OF FACT, WE TOOK PLANNING, COMMISSIONS, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS.
WE DID SOME THINGS SINCE THE MEETING TO TRY TO WORK WITH YOU.
SO I'D RECOMMEND WE MOVE THIS ON TO, UH, TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
WHAT IF THE ONE END IS AN AMBULANCE TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, WHERE WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE AT THE POINT OF THE BUILDING? CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT? SURE.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, IN INBOUND, BOTH DIRECTIONS, WHEN WE OUTBOUND THIS WAY, WE WOULD COME UP TO THIS DECISION POINT BASICALLY.
AND COULD WE HAVE SOME SHARED PARKING WITH RURAL KING? THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO SHARE SOME PARKING OVER THERE.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOSTLY OUR STAFF.
UM, BUT YOU WOULD COME INTO THIS DECISION POINT.
THE, THE, UH, PATIENTS AND CARS WOULD, WOULD TURN RIGHT IN THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR PARKING HERE.
THE ENTRANCE IS IN THIS CORNER OF THE BOAT.
THIS IS THE WALK-IN AND THE AMBULANCE TRAFFIC WOULD COME UP PAST THE ABILITY AND ACROSS THE TOP.
AND GENERALLY THAT'S ALL ONE WAY THAT WAY.
SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARALLEL PARKING, UH, FOR EITHER POLICE CRUISER OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT THE DEED DEPARTMENT, OR EVEN MAYBE SOME OF THE PHYSICIANS, WE WOULD JUST ASSIGN THEM A SPOT FOR THAT DAY.
UM, CAUSE IT'S A PARALLEL SPOT, BUT FOR PRIMARILY THE, THE, UH, THE PATIENTS, THOSE THAT AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH THE FACILITY, WE HAVE JUST MORE TRADITIONAL APARTMENT AND THEN THEY COULD LEAD EITHER OUT THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, UH, LANE THAT COMES DOWN TO THE PROPERTY OR THEY CAN COME BACK OUT.
SO THE CROSSOVER IS JUST MAINLY JUST BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH WORK, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, WE MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ACCESS AROUND, UH, THE AMBULANCE.
IF AN AMBULANCE DOES COME IN TO THE, TO THE SHOPPING CENTER AND NOT DOWN DOWN THROUGH HERE, THAT THEY CAN STILL GET IN AT THE TOP, COME AROUND, BUT WE'RE MAKING THAT A POINT.
WE WANT THAT TO BE A ONE WAY THERE, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF WITHIN THE PARKING LOT OF THE HURRICANE.
SO IT'S TRAFFIC FLOWS, NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE CONDUCIVE TO WATCH ME GOING THROUGH THAT NORTHWESTERN.
UM, I'M GOING TO GET A CONVOY.
I'M THE WAYFINDING PERSON FOR ASSIGNING, UM, PATIENT EXPERIENCE.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID IS WE WANT TO THERE, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT POTENTIALLY BRINGING PEOPLE IN OFF OF THAT MAIN SHOPPING CENTER ENTRANCE OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE IS I'M WORRIED THAT THOSE PEOPLE IN, IN THIS BUILDING ORIENTATION ANYWAY, WOULD MAYBE BE DRAWN TO THAT AMBULANCE ENTRANCE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE UNDER DURESS, YOU MIGHT BE WORRIED, WHERE DO I GO? WHERE DO I GO? AND THAT AMBULANCE ENTRANCE REALLY GETS YOU INTO THAT BACK OF HOUSE.
SO THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMING IN THAT WAY.
IT HAS TO BE A SECURED ENTRANCE.
SO, UM, WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IS IF YOU HAD THE ACCESS POINT FROM,
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UM, TAYLORSVILLE IS USING A TAYLORSVILLE ADDRESS BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR THIS KIND OF SERVICE, THEY'RE USING THEIR NAVIGATION OR WHATEVER TO GET THERE, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE GOOD TO LET THE GENERAL COMMUNITY KNOW THIS IS THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF, WELL, HOW DO I GET IN THOUGH? WE WANT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THEIR NAVIGATION TO GET THERE, TO COME TO THAT TAYLORSVILLE ADDRESS SO THAT WHEN THEY APPROACH THE BUILDING, THEY APPROACH INITIALLY AT THE PATIENT ENTRANCE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BELIEVE HOW INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT IT CAN BE TO PREVENT PATIENTS FROM GOING PAST AN ENTRANCE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE UNDER DURESS, UH, THEY WILL KEEP TRYING TO COME IN THAT AMBULANCE ENTRANCE AND THAT IN ITSELF HAS A SAFETY ISSUE.SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
THAT KIND OF BUILDS AS TO WHY IT'S A BIT MORE IMPORTANT TO COME IN OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE VERSUS OLD TROY IN ORIENTATION STUDENTS.
I THINK YOU RICHARD, THANK YOU.
WAS IT DIANE? DIANA? UM, YES SIR.
JUST A WORD TO THE WISE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SIGNAGE HERE AND WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK THE WAY FORWARD.
UM, UH, AGAIN, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, BEING MY PARTICULAR WORD AND I LIVE IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AWAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GET QUICKER FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN RURAL KING, UH, PLANET FITNESS, KROGER'S THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL FIND THE LEAST RESISTANT PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO BARRICADE THAT AMBULANCE ENTRANCE OFF, UM, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL GO THROUGH THERE.
IF THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET OUT FASTER, THEY'RE ON, TAYLOR'S ON, I'M JUST BEING COMPLETELY BLUNT AND HONEST, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT UP AN ARMED GUARD THERE AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE 50 CARDS.
HUMAN NATURE IS QUITE A CHALLENGE IN FINDING, UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, HOPEFULLY FOR THAT NAVIGATIONAL EXPERIENCE THOUGH, GET THEM TO THE RIGHT SPOT TO GET IN.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS THE, IS THE TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT UP, TRUST ME, THIS COUNCIL, I THINK HAS HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT.
DO YOU WANT TO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE BUSINESS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, PEOPLE WON'T READ.
IF THEY THINK THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING OR THEY THINK THEY CAN GET THERE FASTER.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO, WE LOOK AT A RESIDENCE THERE'S 20,000 PEOPLE EVERY DAY THAT COMMENTS AND TELLS US THAT TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE A ENGAGED COMMUNITY, YOU KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND HOW TO GET IN AND GET OUT.
I MEAN, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT, BUT THERE'S NO, BUT WE KNOW IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME ISSUES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
RIGHT? WE JUST WANT TO WORK WELL.
I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOUR TEAM.
IF YOU CAN POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS TO WHO THE BEST SPOKESPERSON WOULD BE FOR OUR TEAM TO WORK WITH.
LET ME ASK YOU I'M BRIAN IS OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER MEAN HE'S, HE'LL DIRECT STAFF AND ENGINEERING AND THINGS TO, TO WORK WITH THAT.
MR. CAMPBELL SAID, IF WE'RE GOING, GONNA HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT SOLUTION IS, BRIAN WILL BE THE ONE THAT DOES, THAT HANDLES ALL THAT.
JUST ONE THING THAT THEY HAD MENTIONED AT THE MEETING WITH US AND MENTIONED AGAIN TONIGHT, THEY ACTUALLY WANTED ABOUT ANOTHER QUARTER ACRE AND RURAL KING WASN'T ON BOARD WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK IF THE SELLERS HERE FROM OUR MEETING ORIGINALLY THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED TO GET THIS APPROVAL.
AND YOU GUYS WERE SAYING IT, I THINK IF THE SELLERS ARE LISTENING, THEY MAY JUST GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT THAT THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE IS GETTING ADDRESSED.
SO THAT QUARTER ACRE MIGHT BE MORE AVAILABLE TO GET THE PROJECT TO FIT THE WAY THEY NEED TO.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, I THINK WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE IS THAT THE LEVERAGE THAT WE CAN USE, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS, I CAN TELL YOU IN THE PLANNING MEETING, WE FLAT OUT SAID NO SURPRISES AT THE DETAILED STAGE.
IF THIS ISN'T ADDRESSED, THIS WON'T GET VOTED ON.
I MEAN, WE, WE SAID THAT IN THE PLANNING MEETING, SO THERE, SO THERE'LL BE THERE JUST TO BE CLEAR.
SO THERE WERE NO SHOCKS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE, WE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THE PARKING LOT IS IN CLEAR VIOLATION.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF APPROVING A LOT SPLIT TO PUT DOLLARS IN SOMEONE'S POCKET WHILE THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT A NICE BUSINESS TRYING TO COME IN, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I MEAN, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LET THEM PROFIT WHILE IN VIOLATION AND NOT IMPROVING THEIR PERSONAL SIDE OF THE SPACE.
SO IF THEY HAD THE EXTRA SPACE, JUST IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE TEAR WAS REAL AND GOING TO, AND THIS IS JUST, IF THIS IS AN OPTION FOR DISCUSSION, IF IT'S REASONABLE FOR THEM, IF IT HELPS THE CURB CUTS, CAN YOU BACK IT UP TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS TAYLORSVILLE? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WORKS OR NOT, BUT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ALL THE CUT-INS IF THEY WERE ABLE TO, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE SPACE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD WORK, BUT IF THEY, THE ORIENTATION WAS A LONG WAYS IN TAYLORSVILLE INSTEAD OF PERPENDICULAR IN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD OPEN UP ENTRANCES A
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LITTLE CLEANER OR FOR ANYONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO TALK WITH STAFF OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, FIGURED I'D THROW THAT OUT.I DO THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT THOUGH, THAT THE AMBULANCE IS GOING TO NEED A DEDICATED ACCESS.
UH, NO MATTER WHAT, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, EVEN IF IT IS EMERGENCY ROAD ONLY AND ONE LANE WIDE, UH, AND BLOCKED OFF AT THE REAR.
SO PEOPLE CAN'T BE CUTTING THROUGH SOMEHOW.
I MEAN, WE, WE CITED BEFORE SECONDS MATTER IN AN EMERGENCY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO STRONGLY WANT THAT.
SO I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS TOO, GENTLEMEN.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO LEAVE THE CURB CUT AND GET MORE LAND, TURN THE BUILDING AND MAKE THE AMBULANCE AGAINST TAYLORSVILLE.
AND THAT WAY IT WOULD BE PUT DOWN THE ARMS AND THAT WAY IT, THE AMBULANCE THEY WOULD HAVE, THE OPENERS ARE LOCAL.
I'M JUST THROWING OUT THE LONG PAST, PROBABLY SEVERAL SOLUTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GET STUCK, JUST SUGGESTING AND THE, AND THE TEAM WORKING TOGETHER ON WHAT THOSE SOLUTIONS MIGHT BE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY ODD ONE, BUT BE PREPARED WHEN THE PEACH TRUCK COMES BECAUSE THAT'S A NIGHTMARE FOUR TIMES A YEAR THERE, SO THEY WILL BE GOING THROUGH YOUR AMBULANCE ENTRANCE.
I WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT IS A NIGHTMARE PATIENTS.
EACH TRUCK COMES TO ROYAL KING FOUR TIMES DURING THE SUMMER, AND THAT IS A NIGHTMARE OF STRIVING SITUATION.
JUST LET YOU KNOW IF PEOPLE DON'T GET THEIR PEACHES.
ANY LAST COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
OKAY, TONY, WE'LL SEE THIS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
ASSUMING THE STAFF HAS SOMETHING TO UPDATE US WITHOUT THE WORK SESSION, THAT THERE IS AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING FOR MONDAY.
THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT THAT THE CLERK, UM, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, PERHAPS MAYBE WE COULD HOST THAT HEARING ONLY FOR THE STANDPOINT THAT IT'S A TECHNICAL COMPONENT.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY USE THAT.
I THINK IF WE, IF WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WHEN THE LEGISLATION CAME UP, WE COULD JUST MOVE THIS ON TO FURTHER READINGS WHILE WE HAD UPDATED PLANNING, UPDATES AT WORK SESSION MEETINGS ABOUT IT.
SO YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE A FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE WITH IT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL DIS W WE HAD SEVEN READINGS OF THE ANNEX GROUPS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY WORTHY OF, OF AT LEAST THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, IF WE HAD SEVEN HEARINGS ABOUT SOME APARTMENTS, I THINK WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE READINGS OR WHATEVER REGARDING THIS PROJECT, AS WE, AS WE WORKED THROUGH IT.
JERRY, TONY, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FIRST READING WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD NOT JUST HAPPENED.
I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO WE CAN ASK THE PUBLIC HERE.
YOU'RE NOT THE LEGISLATION PIECE.
AND THEN THAT'S, THEN THAT'S ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS THAT WE MEET TECHNICALITY THAT'S OVER.
AND THEN WE CAN AT LEAST CHECK THAT BOX AND THEN, UM, STAFF CAN WORK WITH THEM, UM, TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING MOVING TOWARDS THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO KEEP THAT, THAT PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
SO THEY'RE NOT DELAYED ANYMORE THAN IS NECESSARY TO TRY AND ADDRESS THEM WITH THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
THANKS RICHARD MIRROR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T MEET MY PROCESS.
WHAT AM I SAYING? I SAY IS WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
I WOULD TAKE THIS ALL AS A POSITIVE, NOT A NEGATIVE.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS TOGETHER SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY AND HELPS YOU BE MORE EFFICIENT ON THAT SITE BECAUSE IT DOES, DOES POSE SOME ISSUES.
BUT, UM, I THINK THIS WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION AND A POSITIVE, NOT A NEGATIVE.
I HOPE, I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME.
[ Case MJC 22-14 - Parveen Wadhwa - Major Change To Basic Development Plan/Detailed Development Plan - 6025 Taylorsville Road]
NEXT UP IS I AM THREE J CASE M JC 22 DASH 14 FOR PARVIN WAWA AND MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 60 25 TAILORS OVER IT.UH, AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY AND PLANTERS TO RAIL WILL BE HERE TO, UH, TO GIVE THAT FORMAL PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL, A QUICK PREVIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE PARCEL, UH, JUST WEST OF CITY HALL.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT COUNCIL HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, EARLY, UH, LATE IN 2021, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, JUST TO RECAP THE SITE, IT'S JUST UNDER AN ACRE AND A HALF, UH, IT WAS, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND EVALUATED, UH, IN LATE 2021.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE, LAUNDRY MAT FACILITY, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT APPROVAL.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, DETERMINED THAT ADDITIONAL
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USES MIGHT QUALIFY FOR THIS BUILDING AND MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.UH, AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UH, YOU'LL NOTE, UH, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN.
HERE WE GO, A LITTLE CLOSER DETAIL ON THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE BEING ADDED, UM, UH, TO THE BUILDING, UH, AND THERE IS ALSO A DRIVE-THROUGH BEING ADDED, UH, ON THE WEST END OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING TO SUPPORT THE CONVENIENCE, UH, APPROVAL OR THE CONVENIENCE USE, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
UH, FURTHER IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE EAST END OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
UH, THE CHANGE, UH, THAT IS BEING REQUESTED, THE USE CHANGE, WHICH IS BEING REQUESTED OF COUNCIL.
UH, IT RELATES MORE TOWARDS THIS EAST END OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL USES THAT WOULD NOT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN ABLE TO OCCUR, UH, FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL IN 2021.
AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEVATION SHOTS.
UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATION WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW, UH, IN PARTICULAR, UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, HERE WE ARE, UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR A MULTITUDE OF USES FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICE AT RETAIL, UH, NOTING FROM THE PLANNER'S COMMENTS HERE, PARKING STANDARDS ARE BASED ON SPECIALTY RETAIL, UH, FOOD, PERSONAL SERVICE, AND COMMERCIAL, AS WELL AS SHOPPING USES THAT, UH, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT, UM, THIS WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE CHANGE AND IS RECOMMENDING COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDER, UH, ADOPTING THE LEGISLATION, UH, WHEN IT COMES FORWARD.
UH, THE, UM, ONE CONDITION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UH, WAS WITH RESPECT TO PARKING SINCE PARKING KIND OF FLUCTUATES BASED ON THE USE, UH, THAT ANY PROPOSED USE IS MOST CONFORMED TO PARKING, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE SPACES, UH, FOR WHATEVER THE FINAL USE IS, MIGHT BE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
UH, THESE WERE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS WHICH CAME THROUGH, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
SO THIS INCLUDES THE ADDITIONAL USES, UH, AS WELL AS PROHIBITIONS ON THE SWEEPSTAKES CAFE HOURS OF OPERATION.
THAT WAS A CONCERN THE LAST TIME THAT THIS ITEM CAME THROUGH, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING STIPULATION.
UM, AND THAT IS THE PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT, AND IS HERE, UH, SHOULD COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY? UH, I'M HAPPY TO CARRY BACK ANY MESSAGE TO PLANNING STAFF, UH, FROM TONIGHT, UH, FOR A MORE DETAILED AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION ON MONDAY.
SO THERE'S THE LAUNDROMAT BEING REMOVED AND JUST EXTRA SPACE ADDED, OR IS THE OWNER MATT STILL THERE IN WRITING? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LAUNDROMAT FEATURE IS BEING REMOVED, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY EXTRA SPACE IS NOT ADDED.
THAT WAS A MISTAKE FROM HADN'T, YOU KNOW, PLANNING LIKE HERE, LIKE THERE'S EXTRA SPACE, BUT THEN HE MENTIONED, NO, THERE'S NO EXTRA SPACES.
THE BASIC PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS STILL 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
SO I'M JUST CHANGING THE USE BECAUSE BEFORE I WAS THINKING, I'M GOING TO OPEN CONVENIENCE STORE MYSELF AND A LAUNDROMAT.
AND WHEN I DID THE SURVEY, LAUNDROMAT IS NOT A GOOD BUSINESS AROUND HERE BECAUSE IN THESE DAYS EVERYBODY HAS CAUSE I'M FROM BACK IN PHILADELPHIA AREA, NEW YORK AREA, I WAS THINKING LAUNDROMAT, BUT LIKE, THERE'S A TWO LAWN ROOM.
AND WHAT IS IT DOING TO THEIR IN-LAWS? THEY ARE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH MONEY BECAUSE EVERY APARTMENT, EVERY HOUSE GOT THEIR OWN LAUNDRY MACHINE.
SO THAT'S WHY RIGHT NOW I'M NOT THINKING WHAT BUSINESS TO BRING NEXT TO IT.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE THIS AS A COMMERCIAL SPACE AND PLANNING COMMISSION CAME UP WITH, THEY DON'T WANT ANY BORROWER THERE.
SEE IF THE CAFE AND I SAID, OKAY, I ALSO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S LIKE YOU, WHEN I ASK THEM TO PUT THAT HOURS, THEY'RE ONLY TIL MIDNIGHT.
WE'LL MAKE YOU MEAN THE STORE IS CLOSED.
ALL THE BUSINESS SHOULD CLOSE.
SO THE SPACE IS STILL SAME AND 37 50 SQUARE FOOT IS FOR CONVENIENCE STORE AND 36 50 SQUARE FOOT OR WHATEVER IS LEFT IS I'M MAKING IT INTO TO PARTITION.
SO IF ANYBODY LIKE, LIKE A SALONE OR ANY PET GROOMING STORE OR ANY LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD USE STORE CAN COME, I CAN RENT IT OUT.
AND IF ANYBODY ONLY ONE TENANT COME, I CAN LET IT OUR WHOLE SPACE.
WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE USE FROM A LAUNDROMAT TO COME TO JUST COMMERCIAL SPACE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? GET RICHARD.
IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, UM, COULD YOU, UM, REFRESH MY MEMORY WAS THE DRIVE-THRU COMPONENT, UM, PREVIOUSLY IMPROVED? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IT WAS NOTED IN THE PLANTERS COMMENTS THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS AN ADDITION.
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UH, IT WAS THERE, IT WAS THERE.MY ONLY OBJECTION IS THE CURB CUT ON TAYLORSVILLE.
IS THERE ANY WAY HE NEVER CURB CUT ON MOUNT HOOD TO GET HIM TO STOP SOME OF THAT? I CAN DISCUSS IT AND HE GOES THERE.
WE'LL WAIT TIL BRIAN GETS THAT IF YOU WITH, UH, THE DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED, THEN I DON'T REMEMBER IT SPECIFICALLY ENOUGH, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT WASN'T APPROVED.
LET ME SEE HERE IF I CAN, BUT YOU DIDN'T JUST ADD THE DRIVE-THROUGH ON JIM.
DO YOU REMEMBER DRIVE-THRU WAS APPROVED
THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT, MISS THAT.
AND BASED ON WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE TIME THAT MR.
MR. SORELLO WAS COMING ON BOARD.
SO, UM, UH, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION.
SO IT'S, THAT'S ALREADY, THAT DESIGN IS ALREADY PART OF THE BASIC PLANETS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CROWDED, NON HOODS RIGHT THERE.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE DEPARTMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, AMGEN.
YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE A VERY BRIEF COMMENT FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THIS WAS SO CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT.
UH, AND THE CONCERN THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, EXPRESSED TO US WAS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT ANYTHING CAN GO IN THERE.
THERE'S TWO, UH, ADDITIONAL SPACES WHERE THE LAUNDRY MEMO'S GOING TO BE.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS QUICK TO AGREE TO AND RESPOND TO THAT WITH A LIMITATION ON HOURS, WHICH WOULD PREVENT MOST OF THOSE OFFENSIVE USES.
WE MIGHT SEE ONE IN THERE, SO I'D COME IN AND THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE HE WAS QUICK TO RESPOND TO THAT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AGREED TO THAT.
AND IF I CAN SAY AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THIS IS A GOOD USAGE FOR THAT LOCATION.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS ONE.
AND, UH, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT YES, THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS AT THAT LOCATION, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, I'M LOOKING AT THE APPROVED PLAN, UH, THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL BACK IN DECEMBER.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ON TO THE MONDAY'S MEETING FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE? OKAY.
[ OneOhio Opioid Funding Distribution - Region 8 Governance Structure]
NEXT UP IS I AM THREE K THE ONE OHIO OPIOID FUNDING, DISTRIBUTION REGION EIGHT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.UM, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY BEING AWARDED FUNDING THROUGH THIS SETTLEMENT, THE COUNTY IS ALSO, UH, BEING AWARDED, UH, FUNDING, UH, AND, UH, THEY EFFECTIVELY IN ORDER FOR THE COUNTY TO APPROPRIATELY RECEIVE THE FUNDS AND DISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS, UH, THEY ARE GOING TO ESTABLISH A, A COG FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, UM, IS OUR SUPPORT OF THE, UM, CREATION OF THAT COG.
UH, AND, UH, AS A MEANS TO OVERSEE THE RECEIPT OF THAT MONEY AND HOW THAT MONEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WHICH IS I BELIEVE DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, OR REGION EIGHT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, BASED ON HOW THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE HAVE DIVIDED UP THE STATE INTO A DISTRIBUTION LOCATIONS, COG FOR PEOPLE NOW, UH, IT'S A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
SO WE, WE ASKED, SO WE ALL PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNANCE AND THE GOVERNANCE OF THIS PARTICULAR BODY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE THIS MONEY IS TO BE SPENT? UM, REGION EIGHT, UH, THEY PRESENTED A, UM, THEY PROVIDED FOR A PRESENTATION AT THE ANNUAL PUBLIC HEALTH BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, PRESENT THE INFORMATION, UH, PASS ON THAT PRESENTATION THAT WAS ABOUT 60 DAYS AGO OR SO, UH, JUST IN ADVANCE THAT THIS COMING OUT, UH, THEY DIDN'T SO MUCH PROVIDE FOR THE SPECIFICITY OF HOW THIS PARTICULAR MONEY WOULD BE SPENT, BUT WAS MORE A SUMMARY OF, UM, SEVERAL OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, CHALLENGES THAT PUBLIC HEALTH HAD BEEN LOOKING AT OR FACING.
UH, AND I WOULD CALL IT, UH, KIND OF A PRECURSOR IF YOU WILL, UH, OF WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING TO, TO SPEND SOME OF THE MONEY ON.
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HAPPY TO PUSH THAT OUT TO COUNCIL, UH, LATER THIS WEEK.BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY, I HOPE THAT WE WOULD SEE IT GOATS IN SOME WAYS, SOME FORM TO FAMILIES WHO'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS.
UM, I, THEN A LOT OF THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND, UM, WHERE WE, SOME QUESTIONS TO THROW OUT THERE, WHERE ARE WE IN REPLACING OUR FIRE AND POLICE BUDGET FOR THE NARCAN SUPPLIES WE BOUGHT THE LAST 10 YEARS? ARE WE ON TARGET? ARE WE BEHIND GOOD QUESTION.
AND THEN, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THIS MONEY GO TOWARDS TRAINING FAMILIES, NEEDING NARCANS FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY HAVE A FAMILY SITUATION AND THEY NEED TRAINING TO DISPENSE NARCAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SUPPLYING.
IF A NARCAN CALL HAS BEEN CALLED TO OUR POLICE OR FIRE THAT WE'RE GIVING THAT FAMILY, MAYBE TWO VIALS AND IT'S ABLE TO BE REPLENISHED SALARY, IT'S GETTING THE HELP THERE FASTER THAN OUR SERVICES AND GET THERE.
UM, I'M ALSO HAVE THE APPETITE FOR MAYBE A PART-TIME SOCIAL WORKER TO HELP, UM, ARRANGE SUBSTANCE ABUSE REHAB FOR THAT FAMILY.
AND, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOME EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS GO INTO OUR SCHOOLS FOR DRUG EDUCATION OR AWARENESS WITH THAT MONEY, IF POSSIBLE.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION PROJECT DOM DOES THAT THEY CAN GET AHOLD OF FAMILIES.
THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO THAT, SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO FALL ON THE CITY.
UM, THEY JUST NEED TO CONNECT UP WITH THEM AND ACTUALLY WATCH AN ONLINE VIDEO AND THEY GET SOMETHING NARCAN.
SO THAT DOES HAPPEN AS WELL AS THROUGH MY JOB AT FOA, WE CAN DO THAT SAME THING, SAME THING TOO.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO USE CITY BUDGET TOWARD THAT.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS.
UM, EDUCATION IS ALWAYS GOOD, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THERE IS KIDS THAT ARE AT RISK FROM LIVING AND FAMILIES THAT I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT WAY FOR US TO START REC PROGRAMS THROUGH JOSH AND ACCESS SOME AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMMING TO GET THEM MAYBE OUT OF THE HOUSES OF WHERE SOME OF THE STUFF'S GOING ON TO GIVE THEM SOME THINGS TO DO AND NOT BE AT HOME, WATCHING THIS ALL THE TIME.
UM, THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT OF MINE.
I THINK IT'S, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO START SOME ACTUAL PROGRAMMING HERE IN THE CITY.
IT WOULD BE A MUCH NEEDED SERVICE, I THINK.
AND, UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT KIND OF ACCESS THAT WAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE USED ON NARCAN, JUST DUE TO, UM, CHIEF NICELY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T USE THAT MUCH NARCAN, HE IN HIS PRESENTATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE REALLY SPENT TO REALLY LOOK AT THE REIMBURSEMENT, BUT YEAH, THE OTHER TWO THINGS THERE IS FREE NARCANNED FREE TRAINING, FREE EVERYTHING.
WE USE QUITE A BIT, QUITE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THE, WHEN THE, THE PEAK OF THE, OF THAT STUFF WAS GOING ON A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, YEAH, I REMEMBER WE, WE HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AROUND NARCAN, UM, ON THE DICE HERE.
I MEAN, WE, IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE WERE GOING BACK GETTING CALLS AT THE SAME RESIDENCE, FOUR AND FIVE TIMES AT THE SAME RESIDENCE.
AND WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN, SO WHENEVER THAT PEAK WAS, HOW DID THAT FOR 17? CAUSE IT WAS DURING THE, I DIDN'T START UNTIL 18.
SO IT WAS PROBABLY AN 18 AND SOME OF 19, UM, WE WERE VERY, VERY HEAVY IN, IN, INTO THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, LOTS AND LOTS OF CALLS, UM, OVERDOSE CALLS AGAIN, MULTIPLE TIMES AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME RESIDENCE OVER AND OVER SAME DURING THE SAME WEEK.
SO, BUT IT SEEMS WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AS MUCH NOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE IT'S TAILED OFF OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR RADAR NOW? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT ISSUE IS LIKE A DAWN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE, YOU, UM, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS INDEPENDENT OF OUR DIRECT MONEY.
THIS IS MONEY FOR THE COUNTY FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS TO DISTRIBUTE.
SO THIS IS REGION WHATEVER REGION.
SO YEAH, SO REGION EIGHT IS EFFECTIVELY MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO THIS IS FUNDS TO BE SPENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTARY THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TO SPEND OUR DIRECT DOLLARS ON WHEN THOSE COME IN.
AND SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE, THE SETTLEMENT OR THE CLARIFICATION OF USES TO BE ABLE TO.
SO DO WE HAVE A WAIT, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE INPUT ON THIS GOVERNANCE SPENDING ON REGION EIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE WAY WE DO NOT HAVE DIRECT INPUT, BUT WE, UM, MAYORS AND MANAGERS PUTS, UH, REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOARD, UH, TOWNSHIP ASSOCIATION PUTS REA MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.
UH, AND SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF INTERESTS REPRESENTED ON THIS BOARD.
SO, UH, BUT, UH, YES, THIS IS SEPARATE THAN OUR
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PORTION.WE WILL RECEIVE OUR OWN DIRECT FUNDS AND THEN THE COUNTY OR REGION EIGHT IS RECEIVING ITS FUNDS.
AND THIS IS OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE COUNTIES DISTRIBUTION OF THIS FUNDS THROUGH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.
AND SO, BRIAN, CAN YOU CLARIFY ON THAT, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM WHERE YOU'D BE OUR VOICE INTO, UM, THAT FUNDING, WILL YOU BE SAYING WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THAT? UH, IT WILL BE THE, UH, I BELIEVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE, THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS REPRESENTATIVE COMES THROUGH THE MAYORS AND MANAGERS, JURY, UH, ORGANIZATION, WHICH, UH, WE TWO SEATS ON THE MAYOR AND THE MANAGER.
UH, AND SO THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY, UH, SAT ON THIS STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENSURING THAT THE MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE IS INCLUDED WHEN, UH, THE REGION IS SETTING UP PROGRAMS OR WHEN THE REGION IS DISTRIBUTING FUNDS OR WHEN THE REGION IS LOOKING TO, UM, DISPO DISTRIBUTE THIS MONEY IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY.
UM, LET'S SEE, I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP.
SO THE REGION'S LARGEST MUNICIPALITY, UH, THAT'S DAYTON.
UH, ANOTHER CITY IS IDENTIFIED BY THE MAYORS AND MANNERS ASSOCIATION.
TOWNSHIP IS IDENTIFIED BY THE TOWNSHIP ASSOCIATION.
UH, THERE'S A VILLAGE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE THAT HAS THE, THAT HAD THE MOST OVERDOSES.
UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS APPOINTED DATE AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UH, THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UH, THE ALCOHOL DRUG ADDICTION AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
PUBLIC HEALTH HAS A REPRESENTATIVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE, THE HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION, UH, AND A PERSON WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE.
SO OUR REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE THROUGH MAYORS AND MANAGERS, RIGHT? I, AND I'LL JUST SPEAK FROM THE HEART.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS AND OUR DIRECT ALLOCATION OF THE MONEY SPENT IN A MANNER THAT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
AND THAT IT'S A VERY VISIBLE SPENDING THAT WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, NOT JUST WRITE A CHECK OR PAY A BILL.
I REALLY WANT TO SEE US MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND A VISIBLE DIFFERENCE THAT PEOPLE CAN LATCH ONTO AND SEE THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING WITH THE SEDIMENT MONEY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER, AND YOU CAN PASS THIS ON TO THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND STOP THAT.
I AM PART OF THE GROW TEAM, WHICH WE DO GO OUT TO ZIP CODES AND WE DISTRIBUTE LITERATURE OF WHERE THERE IS HELP IN THIS COUNTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
NOW, I DON'T THINK FOUR OR 5, 4, 2, 4 ZIP CODE IS ONE THAT'S EVER BEEN LOOKED AT TO BE TARGETED, NOR DO I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOTSPOTS THAT WE LOOK AT, BUT I COULD PROBABLY GET ENOUGH PACKETS THAT WE COULD GIVE TO OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALL THESE RESOURCES THAT THEY CAN GO OUT WHEN THEY MAKE THESE RUNS AND GIVE IT TO THE FAMILIES.
SO THEY KNOW THERE IS RESOURCES OUT THERE TO GET HELP.
I CAN PROBABLY GRAB UP BAGS AND HAVE THOSE PUT TOGETHER FOR US TO GO OUT ON RUNS WITHOUT BLINKING AN EYE.
AND ALSO WE DO HAVE THE ANNUAL FOA RALEIGH.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE LAST SUNDAY OF AUGUST THAT EVERYBODY'S INVITED TO, AND IT LITERALLY WILL HAVE OVER 70 RESOURCES IN THE AREA.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD HELP PROMOTE THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO FAMILIES CAN GO GET THE RESOURCES AND PEOPLE WITH ADDICTION ISSUES CAN GET THE HELP THAT THEY DO NEED.
I THINK HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE REST OF YOU REMEMBER THIS TOO, BUT WHEN WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A LOT OF THE OVERDOSE ISSUES BEFORE WE HAD, UM, IT WAS CHIEF AT THE TIME AND CHIEF LIGHTENER HERE WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THOSE CALLS AND THOSE RUNS, I MEAN, WE HEARD STORY AFTER STORY FROM, FROM BOTH CHIEFS OF HOW INVOLVED THAN OUR MEDICS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS WERE IN THOSE HOUSEHOLDS, THEY WOULD TAKE THEM TO RECOVERY CENTERS.
THEY WOULD TAKE THEM TO HOSPITALS.
I MEAN, SO, SO WE DIDN'T JUST SHOW UP, MAKE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T DIE AND LEAVE.
WE, I MEAN, OUR EMS SERVICES WERE EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN EACH ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE THEY WERE CALLED TO AN OVERDOSE AND WE OFFERED ALL KINDS OF SERVICES TO THOSE FAMILIES.
AND I'M SURE TO, WE STILL DO THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE'RE JUST NOT HEARING ABOUT BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL LIKE, OR WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THIS OPIOID PROBLEM IS AS BIG OF A PROBLEM AS WHAT IT WAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WERE ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT I REMEMBER THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING FROM BOTH, BOTH CHIEFS ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THE, AND THE EXTRA SERVICES WE WERE OFFERING, THOSE FAMILIES ONCE WE GOT THERE IN THE HOME TO SEE WHAT THEY NEEDED OR WHAT THEIR NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE.
SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY STILL DOING THAT IF WE WANT TO FIND OUT TO WHAT LEVEL THAT THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
I THINK WE COULD, UH, I MEAN, BRIAN, YOU, WE DON'T NEED TO HAUL THE CHIEFS BACK IN HERE, BUT MAYBE YOU COULD ASK THEM, GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN JUST REPORT BACK TO US, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT
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THOSE ARE DOING.UM, ARE WE STILL DOING THOSE THINGS OR WERE WE JUST KIND OF FOCUSING ON THAT DURING THAT PERIOD OF PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I KNOW THEY WERE DOING IT BEFORE, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE STILL DOING THAT.
AND THE NEXT TIME THAT, UM, THIS TOPIC COMES UP, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY.
WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THAT CONTACT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM STAFF ON HOW THOSE MONIES COULD BE UTILIZED.
UM, AND WE COULD JUST PIVOT THAT WAY AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE SOME CONNECTIONS AND, AND MENTIONED SOME OF THE RESOURCES, UH, MS. KITCHEN, UH, AT THE NEXT STAFF MEETING, UM, TOO.
SO WE CAN TRY AND REACH THAT, THAT CONNECTION AS WELL.
SO HAPPY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I REMEMBER SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHERE, UM, I THINK PROBABLY SOME OF OUR EMS WORKERS, EVEN WORKING AS SOCIAL WORKERS, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE IN THE HOME AND PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO GO, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE.
THEY WERE ADAMANT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT WE SPENT THE TIME IN THE HOME TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS AND WE GOT THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE INTO REHAB OR INTO, INTO A HOSPITAL.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, I, YEAH, THAT'S, WE PROBABLY DON'T TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT OF A JOB THAT OUR EMS SERVICES ARE DOING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WITH THAT RESPECT.
MARY BRIAN, COULD YOU CHECK WITH THE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF NICELY AND CHIEF LIGHTENER AND TO THANK YOU, UM, WHAT DO THEY THINK WOULD BE BEST SUITED I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AND, AND THEIR OTHER STAFF.
AND ALSO WITH THAT, AND IT KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE ADDICTION, THE NEW 908 NUMBER WON'T BE GOING IN FACT, JULY 16TH FOR MENTAL HEALTH, AND THAT'S OFTEN PAIRED AND THERE IS, UM, A PRESENTATION OUT THERE ABOUT THAT.
IF WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY, UM, COME FROM AUTONOMOUS, IT'D BE TINA
I JUST SAW IT AT THE FIRST YEAR, THEY WAS THERE ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION CAUSE LIKE KETTERING AND HARRISON TOWNSHIP, DO YOU HAVE SOCIAL WORKERS THAT DO GO OUT ON THE RUNS AND THERE? SO THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY'RE HIRING SOCIAL WORKERS THAT WILL BE GOING OUT AS WELL.
SO WHERE'S THAT OVERLAP? SO CITIES AREN'T WASTING THEIR RESOURCES, MONEY, UM, HAVING SOCIAL WORKERS AND PAYING $80,000 A YEAR VERSUS WHAT ADAM IS GOING TO BE DOING AND FUNDING.
AND IT'S A REAL INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW THIS 908 NUMBER IS GOING TO GO.
AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WON'T BE GOING TO JAIL WITH ADDICTION OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT HOSPITALIZATION IS GOING TO BE, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PINK SLIPPED OR NOT.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CONVERSATION GOING ON AROUND THIS, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR ONE OF OUR SESSIONS TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND DO A SMALL THING, BECAUSE THIS WILL FACTOR ALL THE COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
COULD YOU SEND THE INFORMATION TO US, BUT BEFORE JULY AND THAT WAY WE CAN BE EDUCATING YOURSELF BEFORE YOU SCHEDULE IT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE TINA AT SOME POINT.
I THINK ALL OF IT, WE ALSO, THE EDUCATION IS THE KEY ON JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT GETS INFORMATION THAT'S HELPFUL OUT INTO THE HANDS OF THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT DOING, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IT BEFORE HEAR FROM HER.
SO I'M EDUCATED BEFORE SHE COMES IN SPEEDS.
SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE, IS THERE LEGISLATION WITH THIS PIECE, THAT CREW THAT CREATES THIS OR, OKAY.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO TO MONDAY THEN? OKAY.
[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE L WHICH IS A BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT, ANY UPDATES, BRIAN? UH, JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES FOR COUNCIL.UH, WE DID RECEIVE TWO BIDS ON THE CR DAYTON REHAB PROJECT.
THOSE BIDS CAME IN, UH, 10% OVER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO REJECT THOSE BIDS AND BREAK THEM DOWN, UH, KIND OF SEE KIND OF WHAT WENT WRONG AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO BUILD IT BACK.
SO WE'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT WORKS THAT'S IN BUDGET, SO WE CAN KEEP THIS THING ROLLING.
UM, HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, UH, SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT KICKED OFF YESTERDAY.
I MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE THE, UH, NEW SENIOR CENTER WILL BE LOCATED ON BRAND PIKE OVER IN THE, UM, IN THE MEADOWS AREA.
UH, SO THEY MET WITH THE SENIORS YESTERDAY.
THEY MET, UH, WITH STAFF TODAY, UH, AND, UH, THEY ARE ANTICIPATING A JULY COMPLETION FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONCEPTUAL SPACE USES.
SO, UH, WE'LL KEEP YOU UP TO DATE ON THAT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE ARE WAITING A BRAND PIKE, CONCEPTUAL ENGINEERING, UH, PROPOSAL IN AUGUST.
UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL, UH, THE RPC REACHED OUT TO US NOT TOO LONG AGO.
THE MIAMI MIAMI VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION REACHED OUT TO US NOT TOO LONG AGO, HAVING READ THE 2017, A BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.
SO IT SAID, WOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF IN HERE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT INTO A PROJECT AND GET SOME GRANT FUNDING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD.
SO WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE ENGINEER, THE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING FIRM THAT PUT THAT STUDY TOGETHER, BPS, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, AND THEY ARE TAKING THE IDEAS THAT THEY HAD PUT INTO THE
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REPORT IN 2017 AND EXTRAPOLATING THOSE.AND, UH, TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT A POTENTIAL PROJECTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO REHABILITATE PRINTED PIKE AND THAT'S DUE IN AUGUST.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH REHABILITATION.
[ Liquor Permit Objection - Marathon - 7851 Old Troy Pike]
NEXT IS I AM 3:00 PM.THE LIQUOR PERMIT, OBJECTION FOR THE MARATHON AT 70 51 ULTRA BIKE.
THE OBJECTION WAS TIMELY FILED ON FRIDAY.
UM, THERE IS NO SET DATE FOR A HEARING.
THEY ARE WOEFULLY BEHIND IN THAT.
I HAVE IT ON MY CALENDAR BEFORE EVERY MEETING BEING A WORK SESSION OR A COUNCIL MEETING TO CALL LIQUOR CONTROL, TO FIND OUT, TO BE A PEST ON IT.
UM, AND SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT, I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION.
UM, MR. SHAW HAD ASKED LAST TIME ABOUT, UM, LOCAL OPTIONS.
UM, THERE'S, WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON A LOCAL OPTION FOR A SPECIFIC, UM, ESTABLISHMENT IN A PRECINCT.
UM, WE HAVE TO, FIRST OF ALL, FIND IT AS A NUISANCE, UM, WHICH IS DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE AS PAUL DOES EVERYBODY, IS THAT YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND GET A SHOT OF TEQUILA WHEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR GAS.
SO THEY'RE JUST DOING WHAT THEIR LICENSE PERMITS.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
UM, THE OTHER OPTIONS OR LOCAL OPTIONS REALLY INVOLVE PRECINCT WIDE TYPE OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE WHOLE PRECINCT DRY.
AND THIS PARTICULAR PRECINCT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION OF BUFFALO, WILD WINGS AND KROGER, AND EVERY PLACE ELSE.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR US TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO GO DRY OUT THERE.
SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT THE LOCAL OPTION AS MUCH OF AN OPTION.
UM, BUT WE ARE STILL PURSUING THE ANGLE OF A NUISANCE AS WELL AS THE OBJECTION TO THE LIQUOR PERMIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP RICHARD? UM, JERRY, ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY, UH, THE, UM, UH, AGENT I SPOKE WITH AND PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY GOT TO YOU WAS THE, UM, THE OPTION OF, UH, UH, THE PADLOCK PADLOCK OPTION DUE TO NUISANCE.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WITH THE INFORMATION THE POLICE CHIEF HAD OBTAINED, UH, WITH AN ONGOING VIOLATION OF, UM, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE UNFORTUNATE SHOOTING AND, UM, AND THE ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON THERE EVERY NIGHT, UH, WITH, UH, WHAT I, WHAT I DEEM PERSONALLY AS, UH, INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, IS THAT WHAT YOUR OFFICE IS CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO? IF WE HAVE ENOUGH GROUNDS FOR THE NUISANCE, THAT WOULD BE THE NUISANCE ASPECT OF IT? YES, BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO, UH, MY BELIEF OF MINE AND MY RESEARCH SHOWN THAT THE RENEWAL ITSELF, BECAUSE OF THE NUISANCE HAD A TAX DO NOT PROCEED ON THE CURRENT LIQUOR LICENSE, WHICH IS WHAT KIND OF PROMPTED THIS WHOLE SNOWBALL EFFECT.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT DEFINITELY WAS A PROPOSED TRANSFER OF THE LICENSE AND THE TRANSFER WAS HELD UP BECAUSE OF THE OUTSTANDING VIOLATION.
AND THEN THAT'S HELD UP FOR SO LONG NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BEHIND ON THESE VIOLATIONS, IT, THAT THE RENEWAL CAME WE'LL DO AGAIN.
SO WE'VE OBJECTED TO THAT RENEWAL, BUT THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WE HAD WITH OUR OTHER LIQUOR PERMIT, WHICH IS BY THE TIME THEY HAD THE HEARING, WE'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH TWO CYCLES OF RENEWALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE THAT SAME SITUATION.
UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NUISANCE ASPECT OF IT.
AND IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO AREA, I'LL REPORT IT TO COUNCIL, AND THAT WOULD LIKELY BE IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO FILE A LAWSUIT ON THAT.
AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS OUR PROS AND CONS AND WHAT WE HAVE ON, ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT WITH, I THINK WE SHOULDN'T PUT A BILLBOARD UP IN THEIR PARKING LOT.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR YOUR BRIAN AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DISCLOSED AND WHAT CAN'T.
I KNOW THAT WITH THE UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED IN THE PARKING LOT, UH, WITH THE OHIO INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, THEY WERE THERE DOING A, UM, AN INSPECTION, AN AUDIT.
UM, DO WE KNOW THAT THE FINDINGS IN THAT REPORT ARE CURRENTLY BEING HELD BY THE BCI DUE TO THE, UM, INVESTIGATION OR ARE THOSE FINDINGS, UM, MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY WHERE PUBLIC, UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY WERE THERE ON A MOPE WOULD BE A REGULAR PERMIT CHECK TO ADJUST.
IS IT ON DISPLAY? IS IT CURRENT? IS IT VISIBLE FROM, UM, SO I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT.
UM, I WOULD SUSPECT IT'S NOT BEING HELD UP.
BUT AS A MATTER OF ROUTINE, IT ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE REPORTED.
SO I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
PART OF WHAT I'M DOING IN THE NUISANCE
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IS GOING GETTING THAT INFORMATION THROUGH THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, TO THE EXTENT THAT, AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT IF IT'S STILL IN THE INVESTIGATORY FILE OR NOT, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T OTHERWISE HAVE.UM, I I'M SURE IT DOESN'T GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT, BUT I WILL ANYWAYS.
UM, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO KEEP THE FOOT ON THE PEDAL ON THIS MATTER, UH, WITH, WITH WEEKLY UPDATES, IF NECESSARY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER HEARINGS, UH, OCCUR IN COLUMBUS, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL ON THIS ONE.
[ Liquor Permit #13139450105 - Casey's General Store - 8000 Brandt Pike]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE N WHICH IS A LIQUOR PERMIT.NUMBER 1 3 1 3 9 TO 4 5 0 1 0 5 4 CASEY'S GENERAL STORE AT 8,000 BRAND PIKE.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT FOR CASEY'S GENERAL STORE E 8,000 BRAND PIKE.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE FIRE AND POLICE DIVISIONS.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE GRANTING OF THE NEW LIQUOR PERMIT.
SO WITH A COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A MOTION ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY, UH, TO RESPOND TO THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL WITH NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS LIQUOR PERMIT.
AND WE'RE CERTAIN, THIS IS A PROPER CLASSIFICATION.
YES, PROBABLY BOB WOULDN'T IMAGINE BEING ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT THE RE THE CASEY'S THAT SILVER ON OLD TROY, BUT, AND WHEN WE SAY PROPER CLASSIFICATION, I MEAN, THEY COULD MAKE A REQUEST IF THEY FALL WITHIN THE PERMIT GUIDELINES, BUT THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBJECT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PARTICULAR CLASSIFICATION OF OUR MAT FOR A GASKET RIGHT HERE, THERE'S NO.
AND YOU'RE PROMOTING DRINKING AND DRIVING.
IT'S LEGAL, BUT MAYBE AN APARTMENT.
I JUST, FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THE, UM, UNOFFICIAL THIRD CASEY'S LOCATION, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, WE HAVE THE ONE OFF CENTER POINT 70, THE ONE ON TROY, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR A NEW LOCATION.
I THINK THIS WAS RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE TWO, TWO, A ONE AND BRAND LEARNINGS.
BARNEY'S AND I THINK I'D POINT OUT THAT THE FIRST ONE WAS IN WARD ONE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY CAPE THING THAT WE'LL SEE IT ON MONDAY.
SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, UH, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, THE NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, ITEMS. UM, BRIAN, I GUESS TONY, DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE, OKAY, SO JENNY HAS THOSE.
UM, SO, UH, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TWO REASONS.
THE FIRST BEING TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.
THE SECOND REASON BEING TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT AND EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, IS THERE A MOTION? I MOTION THAT WE GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
FOR THE REASONS REASONS STATED MARK SENTENCE MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION MS. BAKER? YES.
WE WILL BE BACK OUT AT SOME POINT.
WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND NO FORMAL ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN THIS EVENING.
SO AT 10 0 8, THIS COUNCIL WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.