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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
MEETING OF THE UBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THE APRIL 19TH 6:00 PM IS CALLED TO ORDER.UH, TONY, WOULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE, MRS. BURSCH.
MR OTTO, MR. LYONS, DEAR MRS. KITCHEN, MR. WEB HERE, ERIC FOR SO MAYOR GORE IS NEXT DOOR AT THE POLICE STATION IN A COMMITTEE MEETING FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES.
HE ASKED ME TO OPEN THE MEETING.
UH, WE'VE RECORDED THE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE HERE AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE ABSENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE TWO, UH, MINUTES THAT ARE APPROVED, READY FOR, UH, ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES THAT WOULD BE THE APRIL 5TH AND APRIL 13TH.
WOULD ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS IF NOT, THEY'LL STAND AS PRESENTED.
[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]
IS THE WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION A IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT FOR THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.BRIAN, WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR UPDATE PLEASE? UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO SERVE.
A COUPLE OF, UH, ITEMS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE WATER LEAK ON SHIPPING DIDN'T BEING REPAIRED.
THAT PROJECT HAS FINALLY STARTED, UH, AND WE EXPECT FOR THAT TO BE WRAPPED UP, UH, FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH COUNCIL, UH, THE WATER MAIN EAST EXTENSION PROJECT.
THE DESIGN ON THAT PROJECT IS 90% COMPLETE AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED FOR OUR APPROPRIATE EPA, UH, PERMITS AND APPROVALS.
UH, ALSO WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT OUR MAIN BREAK ACTIVITY IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH, WE'RE BACK TO OUR PRE SOFTENING LEVELS.
SO WE ARE DOWN IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS AND NONE OF THE RECORDED BREAKS IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH WE'RE IN AREAS WHERE WE HAD PERFORMED OUR LANDING PROJECTS AND WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
UH, WE RECEIVED A NOTICE OF AWARD ON OUR LIVABLE AND AGE-FRIENDLY COMMUNITIES GRANT.
UH, ALSO TODAY, UH, TOOK DELIVERY OF OUR PLAY EQUIPMENT AT, UH, EICHELBERGER AND COMMUNITY PARKS.
UH, WE WILL BE INSTALLING THE EICHELBERGER PARK, UH, EQUIPMENT FIRST, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET.
AND THEN WE'LL BE MAKING THE INSTALLATION OF THE COMMUNITY PARK EQUIPMENT.
EVIE STATIONS AT, UH, TOM CLOUD PARK ARE NOW CHARGED AND, AND SERVICE.
THEY'VE ALSO BEEN REGISTERED WITH THE NETWORK.
UH, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE NOW AT THE ROSE, BUT WE ARE STILL WAITING ON AES FOR THE FINAL INFANT STRUCTURE OF THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE CAN TURN THOSE UNITS ON AND GET THEM REGISTERED.
WE HAVE A STYROFOAM, UH, RECYCLING EVENT SCHEDULED AT THE ROSE ON EARTH DAY, APRIL 23RD, FROM NINE TO ONE.
AND ON EARTH DAY, WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP OR, UH, A WASTE COLLECTION CLEANUP, UH, AT THE, UH, POWELL ROAD COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, FROM 10 TO TWO.
SO A LOT OF ACTIVITIES OUT AND ABOUT UNEARTHING THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS MY UPDATE FOR THIS EVENING, SIR, UNLESS YOU OR ANY OTHER MEMBER OF COUNCIL HAVE MEMBER OR HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR BRIAN? OKAY.
[ City Liquor Permits - 2022 Annual Objections]
ITEM B CITY LIQUOR PERMITS 2022 ANNUAL OBJECTIONS.BRIAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ADDRESS CHIEF LIGHTENER WE'LL TALK TO, UH, TO THOSE, UH, EFFORTS AND ACTIVITY SURF CHIEF LINER.
SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL ON THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OR THE INTEREST IN OPPOSING THE
I GATHERED A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE FROM THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
I FORWARDED THAT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, ALONG WITH DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE OHIO INVESTIGATIVE UNIT IN SOME, UH, DEALINGS THEY HAVE HAD WITH THAT LOCATION, UM, SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UH, BRIAN OR JERRY, ANY UP, UM, AS YOU KNOW, FROM OUR HISTORY, GETTING A LIQUOR LICENSE TRANSFER DECLINED OR RENEWAL DECLINED IS A VERY MONUMENTAL TASK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH HERE EVEN GIVEN THE MOST RECENT CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IF THERE'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD TO OBJECT.
UM, I THINK THERE IS IT'S BARE BONES, BUT I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH TO LEGITIMATELY OBJECT.
AND SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT THAT BY, UM, PRIOR TO MAY 2ND IN ORDER TO GET IT IN TIMELY.
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ANYTHING FROM YOU, BRIAN? UH, NO, SIR.WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATIVE TO SUPPORT THE INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED BY THE CHIEF AND BY THE LAW DIRECTOR, BUT STAFF WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT ANY ADDITIONAL EFFORTS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT DIRECT ON THIS MATTER.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? RICHARD SHAWL.
UM, THIS IS A TOPIC OF GRAVE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY BACK IN 2018.
AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS DEALT WITH AT THAT TIME, UH, THAT THIS D FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE WAS JUST GOING TO BE FOR, UM, PURCHASE OF REGULAR ALCOHOLIC SALES BOTTLE SERVICE AT THAT TIME, UM, COME TO FIND OUT, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.
UH, THIS LOCATION IS STILL SERVING SHOTS OF LIQUOR ACROSS THE COUNTER.
MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE PROMOTED ON THEIR BILLBOARD, ON THEIR, UH, ON THEIR, UH, GAS STATION.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS WITH THAT, WHICH IS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THIS D FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE COME TO BE? AND, UM, WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS FROM CITY STAFF, POLICE OR FIRE, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST SERIES OF QUESTIONS, UM, TO, UM, HOW LONG HAS THIS
UM, AND I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY WITHOUT COUNCIL'S FULL KNOWLEDGE OF DOING SO.
UM, AND, UM, FINALLY, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THAT D FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE REMOVED? UH, I'M JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT AN OBJECTION.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FULL INJUNCTION AND COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THAT LIQUOR LICENSE, UM, THAT AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER IS NOT A, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A VISION THAT I WANT FOR OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY BEING ON THE GATEWAY OFF BY 70.
UM, I, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S SEEN THE, THE VARIOUS VIDEOS AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS, UM, THAT IS CAST IN A HUGE NEGATIVE LIGHT UPON THE CITY.
UM, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST GAS STATIONS RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE, UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ONE OF THE FIRST GAS STATIONS THAT FOLKS FROM OUT OF TOWN VISITING THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UM, FOLKS THAT ARE TRAVELING ACROSS THIS GREAT COUNTRY TO STOP HEARING HEBREW HEIGHTS TO DO COMMERCE.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M LOOKING TO HAVE DONE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHER GAS STATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A D FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE AND, AND MAYBE ALSO, UM, SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL, UM, WHAT CITY ADMINISTRATION REVIEW ALL LIQUOR LICENSE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT ELSE HAS FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS.
UM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR LIQUOR LICENSE RIGHT HERE, I COMPLETELY, UH, OBJECT TO A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FULL WEIGHT OF OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO COMPLETELY REVERSE AND PULL THAT LIQUOR LICENSE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A VISION THAT I ACCEPT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
ARE THESE ITEMS AND ISSUES, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH, UH, JERRY MCDONALD IN HIS OFFICE AND MARK LEITNER AND HIS TEAM, AND GET BACK WITH COUNSEL WITH SOME ANSWERS? UM, YES, WE CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION BASED ON THE TIMELINESS TO WHICH AN OBJECTION MUST BE MADE, UH, AND THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN SUFFICIENT TIME FOR COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO OBJECT.
SO IF COUNCIL WERE TO FILE AN OBJECTION, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU AMEND THE AGENDA FOR, OR YOU INCLUDE ON THE MEETING FOR THE 25TH LEGISLATION PREPARED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR TO OBJECT TO THIS PARTICULAR LICENSE.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS INITIAL TIME CONSTRAINT, WE CAN BEGIN PULLING THE NECESSARY INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY COUNCIL JERRY, IF A COUNCIL AGREED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR OFFICE COULD HAVE PREPARED? YES, I'M SORRY.
WE DO HAVE, UM, IN THE PACKET, ACTUALLY THE FORM RESOLUTION TO OBJECT TO THIS AND THE TWO GROUNDS THAT WE WOULD OBJECT ON IT, UM, THAT WOULD, I WOULD NEED TO FILL OUT AN AFFIDAVIT FROM MYSELF AS THE CHIEF LEGAL OFFICER VERIFYING THAT THE FACTS SUPPORT THAT, WHICH I AM PREPARED TO DO.
UM, AS TO THE OTHER ONES, I DID A QUICK CHECK AND I THINK, UH, CHIEF LIGHTENER MAY HAVE ALSO DONE A QUICK CHECK ON D FIVE LICENSES, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANOTHER GAS STATION THAT HAS A, I AM HERE IN FRONT OF ME AND, UH, THERE'S SOME RESTAURANTS, HOTEL, BUT NO OTHER GAS STATIONS.
AND THAT CAME FROM INVESTIGATING.
AND WHEN THIS PLACE FIRST GOT IT'S D FIVE, WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN IN THE 17, 18 TIMEFRAME, IT WAS LISTED AS MARATHON GAS STATION AND TAVERN.
AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY LISTED AS HAVING SOME SORT OF FOOD ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, AND ANTICIPATION, IF YOUR QUESTION, MR. SHAW,
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I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS WITH THE FOOD TRUCK, UH, CAUSE IT WAS A DIFFERENT, THE FOOD TRUCK WAS IN A DIFFERENT NAME ALTOGETHER.IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, UH, WE WOULD HAVE MR. MCDONALD PREPARE THAT AND PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, ARE THERE REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY OR PREVENTION COUNCIL? BECAUSE I THINK THEY WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL.
IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE PODIUM, UM, AND I WILL BE QUICK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THANK YOU TO TONY FOR ALL YOUR HELP IN GETTING US HERE TODAY.
I'M ON THE PREVENTION TEAM AT THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
ADAM IS BOARD, SO ALCOHOL DRUG ADDICTION AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
UM, AND I MANAGE THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PREVENTION COALITION, WHICH IS A GROUP OF OVER 200 VOLUNTEERS THAT DO EVERYTHING FROM ALCOHOL AND DRUG PREVENTION TO SUICIDE PREVENTION AND GAMBLING PREVENTION.
UM, WE PROVIDED A LETTER TO YOU ALL LAST WEEK, UM, BECAUSE THIS ISSUE DID COME TO OUR ATTENTION AS WELL FROM SEVERAL OF OUR COALITION MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEO THAT WAS MENTIONED.
UM, AND IN THE LETTER THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU, I DID INCLUDE A LINK TO THAT SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEO THAT SHOWS AN INDIVIDUAL WALKING INTO THIS GAS STATION, NOT BEING CARDED, GETTING SERVED A VERY LARGE, UM, SHOT OF LIQUOR ACROSS THE COUNTER.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN PRESUME SINCE THERE'S VERY LITTLE SEATING IN THAT GAS STATION WALKING RIGHT OUT TO, UM, HIS VEHICLE AFTER TAKING THAT SHOT.
UM, AND BY A QUICK GOOGLE OF THE GAS STATION, LIKE WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, THEY DO VERY PROUDLY, UM, SHOW THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS OF 3 99 SHOTS OF EVERYTHING FROM JIM BEAM TO CROWN TO REALLY ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU COULD WANT THERE.
UM, AND SO AS A PREVENTION COALITION, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR YOUTH ALCOHOL USE OVER A THIRD OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY HAS THAT THEY, UM, HAVE CONSUMED ALCOHOL, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THEIR HIGH SCHOOL CAREER.
AND OUR CONCERN IS JUST THAT AS THESE, THESE LICENSES AND THIS, THIS ACCESSIBILITY TO ALCOHOL, UM, COMES ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT IT JUST GIVES OUR KIDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY SEE IT, UM, BUT BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT VERY EASILY.
UM, YOU ALL REALLY HIT ON THE POINTS THAT WE HAD, UM, VERY CLOSE TO
UM, AND THEY LIKE WAS MENTIONED, THEY ARE OPERATING AS, UM, OR ONLINE SAYING THAT THEY'RE A MARATHON GAS AND TAVERN, WHICH WOULD INSINUATE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF FOOD BEING SERVED, UM, THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE THAN JUST A GAS STATION.
UM, I DID ALSO WANT TO SHARE, I'VE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OHIO INVESTIGATIVE UNIT.
THEY LET ME KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CITATIONS AGAINST THAT GAS STATION IN RECENT YEARS AND CURRENTLY ONE THAT'S OPEN.
SO THEY RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT MIGHT HELP WITH ANY SORT OF GRIEVANCE OR COMPLAINT THAT YOU FILED, THAT YOU COULD DO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FROM THEM, UH, TO SEE THOSE CITATIONS AND TO SEE THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY OPEN, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE SELLING OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
UM, AND THIS IS THE LAST POINT THAT I'LL LEAVE.
CAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
UM, THE SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEO THAT MAYBE THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IN REGARD TO THIS INCIDENT, UM, HAS 50,000 LIKES 7,500 RETWEETS AND 4,000 QUOTE TWEETS.
UM, AND THE CAPTION TALKS ABOUT THE CITY OF DAYTON, UM, BEING A GHETTO.
UM, AND SO JUST SEVERAL DEROGATORY COMMENTS MADE IN THE COMMENT, UM, COMMENT SECTION OF THAT VIDEO, WHICH IS JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE KNOW AND LOVE AND FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW AND LOVE IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE REPRESENTING OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR TIME TODAY.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, LETTER I PROVIDED TO YOU, MY CONTACT INFORMATION IS ON THERE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE? VICE MAYOR? YES.
IF I MAY, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, THIS OBJECTION FOR A VOTE ON, ON MONDAY AND AN OFFICIAL FILING, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST A WEEKLY UPDATE, UH, IF POSSIBLE FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND LAW DIRECTOR, UNTIL WE GET A FINAL FORM OF ACTION AGAINST THIS, UH, UH, ESTABLISHMENT AND A HOPEFUL REMOVAL OF THEIR D FIVE LIQUOR LICENSE.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE ANY INFORMATION IN THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SUBJECT MORE? YES, DON, IF I COULD, TO JERRY MCDONALD BEYOND AN OBJECTION, SOUNDS LIKE A, A BUSINESS WITH ILLEGAL LIQUOR LICENSE DURING WHAT IS LEGAL, WHAT CAN WE AS A CITY DO BEYOND FALLING? OBJECTION.
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WELL, WE ARE GOING TO USE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH RELATIVELY SPEAKING.THERE'S NOT A LOT GAS STATIONS GET A LOT OF DISORDERLY CONDUCT TYPE OF CALLS ANYWAY, AND THIS ONE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITH THAT, BUT THIS ONE DOES HAVE SEVERAL IN MY EYES BY SEVERAL LIKE MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MORE THAN YOU SEE OTHER WERE DEALING WITH DRUNKENNESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO HANG MY HEAD ON THAT.
I'M GOING TO HANG MY HAT ON THE FACT THAT IT'S A FIVE AS A TAVERN YOU HAD, IT'S NOT WHAT ANYBODY WOULD ENVISION AS A TAVERN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I WILL INCLUDE THE LETTER, UM, THAT, UH, WAS RAISED BECAUSE PART OF IT IS PUBLIC DECENCY.
AND, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REFLECTS NEGATIVELY ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE CITIZENS, THE HUBER HEIGHTS AND THE DAYTON REGION.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO OBJECT TO.
UM, EXPERIENCE SHOWS THAT WE WILL, LIKE I SAID, IT BE AN UPHILL BATTLE, BUT IT'LL AT LEAST OPEN UP THE FILE ON THIS ONE SO THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, CAUSE THEY HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR.
WE'LL BE WATCHING THEM AND, UH, PROBABLY OBJECTING, UH, MERELY BEST WE CAN ON THE FACT THAT IT'S A
THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT SCOPE OF THEIR LICENSE.
UM, OR NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR I HAD EMAILED BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, I HAVE INVESTIGATIVE UNIT.
WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ALSO OF UNDERAGE DRINKING.
SO I REACHED OUT TO ARE UNDERAGE SALES TO MINORS AT THAT GAS STATION.
IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, I REACHED OUT TO THE HIGH INVESTIGATIVE UNIT.
UH, THEY RESPONDED AND SAID THEY DID DO AN INVESTIGATION, BUT DID NOT FIND ANY WHEN THEY WENT IN, THEY DID NOT DISCOVER ANY UNDERAGE SALES.
ALSO THEY DID AN INVESTIGATION INTO PULL TABS BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING COMPLAINED ABOUT PULL TABS, BEING SOLD AT THAT LOCATION TO THE RESPONSE I GOT BACK FROM THEM.
THAT THAT WAS WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE CURRENT LICENSE THAT THEY HAD.
THEY WENT FURTHER TO SAY THAT ALL THEY NEEDED INSIDE THAT ESTABLISHMENT HAS HAD IS FIVE, A D FIVE PERMIT WAS A TABLE AND A CHAIR I PLACED TO SIT NOT, NOT AT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TABLES AND CHAIRS, JUST A PLACE TO SIT.
AND ALSO THAT THAT PERSON, THAT PURCHASES ALCOHOL CAN LEAVE WITH THAT ALCOHOL, AS LONG AS IT'S IN A SEALED CONTAINER THAT NEED A STRAW OR ANYTHING, IT COULD BE A PLASTIC CUP WITH A LID AND THAT WAS THE FIGHTS.
UM, SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DISCOVER ANYTHING.
WERE THERE LAST WEEK ON A COMPLAINT, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED LAST THURSDAY, UH, THEY WERE THERE ON A, ON A COMPLAINT AGAIN, UH, PEOPLE DRINKING IN THE PARKING LOT, UM, AND WANDERING AROUND THE PARKING LOT.
THE STATE HIGHWAY PATROL DID, THEY FORWARDED IT TO THE OHIO INVESTIGATIVE UNIT BECAUSE THAT FALLS UNDER THE STATE PATROL.
SO THEY SENT TWO UNITS OUT TO, AGAIN, CHECK FOR UNDERAGE SALES AND JUST OBSERVED THE PARKING LOT.
AND IT WAS AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY WERE THERE, WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT.
SO THAT WAS MY INVOLVEMENT DATING BACK TO, UH, TWO LAST YEAR WITH THEM.
AND THEN JUST PRIOR TO THAT IN OCTOBER OF 21 IS WHEN THEY WENT IN AND, UM, UM, PUT THEM UNDER VIOLATION FOR, UM, IMPROPER CONDUCT WITH THE DRUG PARAPHERNALIA SHE WAS REFERRING TO.
AND CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A PENDING RENEWAL AS OF APRIL 5TH, 2021.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT IMPROPER CONDUCT, UM, CHARGE THAT IS, UM, PENDING UNTIL THE COMMISSION HERE IS IN THE COMMISSION HAS NOT HEARD THAT VIOLATION AS OF YET.
HAVE THEY OFFICER OR I'M SORRY, CHIEF NICELY.
HER CHIEF, LIKE I'M THANK YOU.
I'M SORRY FOR THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY, DID THEY NOT HEAR IT BECAUSE OF COVID AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING HEARINGS.
COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? AND HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T SAY, HE JUST SAID IT IS A PENDING TRANSFER OF, UM, CURRENTLY IT'S IT'S UNDER THE NAME OF, UM, UH, A NAME.
I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT NOW, SOME LLC WITH A NAME AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO TRANSFER IT TO GAVIN QUICKSTOP AND, UM, THAT TRANSFER IS PENDING AND IN PENDING STATUS AND WILL STAY THAT WAY UNTIL THE COMMISSION HEARS IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A DATE TO HEAR IT.
QUICK QUESTION IS THIS, THIS IS THIS, SO WE'VE APPROVED A NEW, I GUESS, A CONVENIENCE STORE LAUNDROMAT TYPE OF THING ON TAYLORSVILLE AT MOUNT HOOD
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IS MYERS.AND THIS IS THE SAME OWNER OF THIS GAS STATION.
THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE OPERATING THAT CONVENIENCE STORE THERE AT TAYLORSVILLE AND MOUNT HOOD.
SO I BELIEVE WE HAD TO, CAUSE I THINK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF THAT'S APPROVED.
SO I KNOW THE D FIVE LICENSE IS CURRENTLY AT THE GAS STATION, BUT COULD THAT OWNER THEN SAY, WELL, THIS ISN'T WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE THIS.
THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO SELL OUR BU'S ANYMORE.
WE WANT TO TRANSFER THAT LICENSE TO THE LOCATION FURTHER OFF THE INTERSTATE.
MAYBE NOT DRAW AS MUCH ATTENTION TO IT, BUT STILL HAVE OUR D FIVE LICENSE AT A SECONDARY THAT WE HAVE.
CAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME OWNER THAT OWNS THE MARATHON THAT IS GOING TO BE OPENING THE, UM, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, A LAUNDROMAT ON TAYLORSVILLE.
CAN THAT LICENSE BE TRANSFERRED OR WOULD WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT LICENSE TO BE TRANSFERRED? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL THAT THE STATE LIQUOR BOARD IS GOING TO DO? EXCUSE ME, YOU DO AS WELL.
CAUSE AS FRUSTRATING AS ALL THIS IS, IT'S EVEN MORE FRUSTRATING THAT WE CAN'T DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT.
THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, THAT THE LIQUOR BOARD HAS CONTROL OVER IT.
AND HERE ARE OUR ATTORNEYS SAY, THIS IS WE'RE FACING AN UPHILL BATTLE.
I MEAN, IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.
NOT ONLY TO ME, BUT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL, I'M SURE LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN I'M REALLY GOING TO BE FRUSTRATED.
IF THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO AND THEY JUST DECIDED THEY WANT TO TRANSFER THAT PERMIT FROM ONE LOCATION TO THE NEXT THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THEM, OPEN UP JUST WITHIN THE LAST 90 DAYS, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A PENDING TRANSFER OF THAT LICENSE AT THAT LOCATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW, IS IT THE SAME TYPE OF LICENSE
BUT THEY ARE SO FAR BEHIND NOW THAT IS AS WE KNOW FATIGUE.
SO IS THAT, SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE LAUNDROMAT ON TAYLORSVILLE IS GOING TO BE SELLING SHOTS OF BOOZE TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT LICENSE THEY'VE.
THE PENDING TRANSFER IS AT THE SAME LOCATION.
SO TO SERVE AT THE NEW LOCATION, THEY'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR A LIQUOR PERMIT FOR THAT LOCATION.
WHEN IT GETS TRANSFERRED, THE TYPE OF LICENSE, THEY HAVE TO SELL BOOZE AT MARATHON AND TRANSFER IT AND GET ANOTHER REGULAR PERMIT LIKE EVERY OTHER GAS STATION HAS.
AND THEN, SO THE SHOTS ON TAYLORSVILLE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THAT LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THAT LOCATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE A NEW LIQUOR LICENSE OR TRANSFER THAT WE WOULD SEE.
I KNEW THAT WE WOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL, THE TRANSFER IS PUT ON HOLD RIGHT NOW AS A
THAT'S THE ELEVATION AT THAT OLD TROY PIKE LOCATION.
BOTH OF THEM UNDER A DBA OF MARATHON.
SO THERE, I JUST WANT TO PREVENT SELLING SHOTS OF LIQUOR AT A NEW LOCATION ON TAYLORSVILLE AT MOUNT HOOD WHERE THIS NEW LOCATION IS GOING TO BE BY THE SAME OWNER, I BELIEVE.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? OBJECT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US? IF IT COMES BEFORE US? YES.
YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE US PRIOR TO ISSUING PRIOR TO THE LIQUOR BOARD, ISSUING THAT PERMIT AT THE LOCATION WE OBJECTED.
DOES THAT STOP IT OR IS THAT JUST NO OBJECTION ALLOWS FOR THE US TO REQUEST A HEARING BEFORE THE LIQUOR GORDON ON THE OBJECTION, BUT THOSE DON'T USUALLY GO OUR WAY.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT IN MY SHORT EXPERIENCE, FIVE YEARS IN COUNCIL, BUT USUALLY THOSE USUALLY DON'T GO OUR WAY IN MY LONG EXPERIENCE.
THEY USUALLY DON'T GO OUR WAY.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S EXTREMELY DISHEARTENING.
UM, PLUS MR. LYON, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
UM, JERRY, UM, EVERYONE I'M SURE HAS, UH, VOICED THEIR FRUSTRATION.
UM, WHEN WE HAD THE HEAT NIGHTCLUB, DO YOU HAPPEN TO REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES WE OBJECTED BEFORE THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE WAS PULLED? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE HEAT WE OBJECTED BEFORE THEY EVEN GOT THEIR LICENSE.
UM, SO PROBABLY FOUR TIMES WAS IT FOR, YEAH, I REMEMBER TWO SPECIFICALLY AND THESE ARE ONCE A YEAR, SO EVERY YEAR IT COMES UP.
I REMEMBER WE HAD SOME BEFORE.
I'M JUST GUESSING A NUMBER LIKE YOU SAID TOO.
I KNOW OF, FOR A FACT THAT I TEND TO THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME MORE, BUT THERE WAS QUITE A FEW.
AND I REMEMBER, UM, COUNSEL THEN WAS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND THEN IT TOOK A DOUBLE HOMICIDE, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THAT DONE.
AND I THINK THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY PULLED BECAUSE
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THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS BEFORE THAT OCCURRED.IT'S BEEN SO MANY YEARS, BUT, UH, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, UH, THAT PROCESS, IT WAS MORE LIKELY A LICENSE COULD BE PULLED IF THERE THEY WERE CAUGHT SELLING ALCOHOL TO MINORS, RIGHT.
I WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO GET THEM TO HAVE THEIR LICENSE REMOVED THROUGH OBJECTION.
IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW NECESSARILY.
IT'S A VIOLATION OF LIQUOR LAWS, BUT ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS A GENERAL DISREGARD FOR GENERAL LAWS AND THAT'S WHERE DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND THINGS LIKE THAT COME INTO PLAY.
BUT HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, THE LIQUOR BOARD WILL NOT RE, WILL NOT DENY A LICENSE UNLESS THERE'S LIQUOR RELATED VIOLATIONS.
SO EVEN THOUGH IF WE WORK TOWARDS OBJECTION AND THEN GOES TO A HEARING, UM, AT LEAST WE'RE ON RECORD TO OBJECTING AND STARTING THAT PROCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN MAKE HEADWAY BEFORE WE GET INTO A REALLY DISASTROUS SITUATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A SHOOTING AND THAT WAS EVEN BY AGENTS THAT WERE NOT PART OF OUR HUGH BRIDES POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WELL THANK YOU FOR DOING THE BEST YOU CAN ON THIS SITUATION, BRIAN, YOU AS WELL, HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE MORE SUCCESS QUICKER ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE THAN WE DID BEFORE.
UH, MAYOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS C SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS AND I'LL TURN THE MEETING BACK OVER TO YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME TO START FOR ME WHILE I WAS OVER AT THE, THE STEERING COMMITTEE BEGINNING.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
UP IS I'M THREE C, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.SO MR. BELL, HOW ARE YOU THE CITY? UM, GOOD, GOOD EVENING.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE THE, FOR YOU A FEW BUDGET CHANGES AND, UH, UM, UH, THE ONES I HAD BEFORE YOU, UM, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SEVERAL DOLLARS INVOLVED, UH, MANY OF THEM, UH, THREE OF THE FOUR ARE MOVING MONEY WITHIN THE FUND.
SO THAT WOULD BE A NET ZERO IMPACT TO THE OVERALL BUDGET.
FIRST ONE IS, UM, UH, $24,326 AND 4 CENTS, UH, IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE GRANT FUND.
THIS WAS MONEY THAT CAME IN FROM THE STATE, UH, THROUGH A GRANT, UH, FOR TRAINING FOR THE POLICE.
AND, UH, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE MONIES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SET UP FOR THIS, UH, WE PUT THEM IN A TRAINING LINE ITEM AND NOW THE, UH, GRANT REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT WE REIMBURSE THE POLICE, UH, PAYROLL FOR THE TIME THAT THEY ARE SPENT AT THAT TRAINING.
SO SINCE IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE DONE, UH, I WANT TO MOVE, I'M ASKING COUNCIL TO MOVE THE MONIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUDGETED UNDER TRAINING TO THE LINE ITEM FOR TRANSFER.
AND THEN THAT TRANSFER WOULD GO OVER TO THE POLICE FUND AND REIMBURSE THE POLICE EXPENSES, UH, FOR THE POLICE FUND.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE, ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, WAS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE, UM, INADVERTENTLY THE 2022 BUDGET HAD A $534,900, UM, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TRANSFER, UH, OVER TO THE WATER FUND.
AND AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT BUDGET TIME, UH, IT WAS SET UP AS AN, UM, UH, AS A, UH, OPERATIONAL EXPENSE INSTEAD OF A TRANSFER.
SO I NEED A COUNCIL TO MOVE THAT BACK, PUT THAT LINE AT HIM AS A TRANSFER AND SUBTRACT IT FROM THE OPERATIONAL SIDE.
SO NO CHANGE TO THE BUDGET, THEY'RE JUST, UM, UH, CHANGING THE, UM, THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS THERE.
UH, THE THIRD ONE IS ALSO A SITUATION LIKE THAT EXCEPT, UH, WAS BUDGETED CORRECTLY IN THE MOTOR VEHICLE FUND.
UM, WE HAVE AN OPERATIONAL NEED FOR $4,800 INCREASE IN EXPENSES, AND THERE HAS BEEN A POSITION THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, UNFILLED, UH, VACANT FOR A SHORT TIME.
AND SO THERE'S MONEY IN THE PERSONNEL LINE ITEM THAT WE COULD MOVE DOWN TO THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSE, UH, $4,800.
AND THAT WAY THERE'LL BE NO IMPACT TO THAT BUDGET.
AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM IS, UM, WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF FINAL INVOICES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED AND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS $17,208 AND 13 CENTS.
SO THE, UH, THE NET IMPACT TO THE BUDGET OF THESE FOUR REQUESTS IS $17,208 AND 13 CENTS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO GET THOSE INVOICES PAID.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT IF COUNCIL, IT COULD BE THERE WISH, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, UM, SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. BELL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM OBJECTIONS? MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY.
[ County Assessments Authorization]
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IS I AM 3D, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION.SO JIM, I ASSUME, IS THAT YOU STILL AS WELL? YES.
UM, THE, UH, AS I COME TO COUNCIL TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR WITH ASSESSMENTS, I KNOW THE, THE BIG LIST IS ALWAYS AROUND, UH, AUGUST TIMEFRAME.
UH, BUT THIS ONE, WE'VE GOT A LIST, UH, SO FAR THIS YEAR OF DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND STORM WATER ACCOUNTS.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEND THOSE TO THE COUNTY AND HAVE THOSE, HAVE THE COUNTY, PUT THOSE ON THE PROPERTY TAX RECORDS FOR THE NEXT, UH, BILLS.
UH, THOSE WON'T GO OUT UNTIL NEXT YEAR, BUT WE LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS WHEN THEY COME UP AND THEY ARE ATTACHED AND EXHIBIT A, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN ONE PAGE, UH, LISTING THOSE.
AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, COUNCIL, UH, APPROVE THOSE, UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
OH, NO, IT IS A, IT IS AN ORDINANCE, UH, WITH AN EMERGENCY.
SO, UH, COUNCIL WISH IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO TAKE IT TO TWO READINGS AND, UH, UH, INSTEAD OF ONE THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
SO WHATEVER COUNCILS WE SHOULD BE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.
DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT NOW ABOUT HOW TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA? IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO EMERGENCY LIGHTS, JUST GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION.
ARE THE OBJECTIONS TO HAVING THAT AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION? I GUESS WE'D ASKED THAT FOR THE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS ONE AS WELL, RIGHT? THE LAST ONE WAS NOT EMERGENCY, BUT IT WAS TO WAVE.
THE SECOND REASON I ADOPTED ON MONDAY, THIS ONE WOULD BE TO PASS IT AS AN EMERGENCY, BUT I HEARD THAT IT KICKED OUT TO TWO READINGS.
UH, THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF THOSE TWO READINGS INSTEAD OF WAITING AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.
AND THAT WOULD CUT THAT 30 DAY TIME PERIOD OFF OF THE TIMELINE.
IS THERE A COUNCIL PREFERENCE, RICHARD? OH, YES.
MARY I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH, I'VE SEEN THE STUFF TO THE TWO READINGS AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT THE SECOND READING, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH, UH, WITH WAVING THAT, UH, THROUGH THE EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.
SO TWO READINGS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION ON THE SECOND READING.
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT BY COUNSEL? OKAY.
[ Establishment Of New Budgetary Fund - Opioid Settlement Disbursement]
IS ITEM THREE E WHICH IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW BUDGETARY FUND FOR THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT DISBURSEMENT? YES, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE THAT ONE ON AS WELL.UM, UH, JERRY AND I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS, UH, UH, FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ABOUT, UH, ACTUALLY THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS ABOUT, UH, SETTING UP THIS FUND.
UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE FUNDING YET, BUT WE DO EXPECT IT, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH, UH, FROM THE STATE.
AND, UH, AND I KNOW COUNCIL HAS PASSED PREVIOUS LEGISLATION THAT HAS, UH, SAID THAT WE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UH, SETTLEMENT, UH, FOR THE, UH, ONE OHIO OPIOID, UH, SETTLEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE NAMING THE FUND, THE ONE OHIO OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND, UM, THE CURRENT ESTIMATES AS JERRY'S PROVIDED THEM TO ME, UH, WE'LL RECEIVE MONEY FOR BOTH OUR MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND MIAMI COUNTY.
THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PORTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE $172,247.
AND THE MIAMI COUNTY PORTION, $4,362.
AND, UM, UH, I MAY NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WHILE I WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
WHEN IT, WHEN IT IS DETERMINED, HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THESE FUNDS, UH, THE OTTER STATE HAS SAID THAT, UH, UM, WHEN WE DETERMINE WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THESE, UH, SETTLEMENT FUNDS, UM, EACH OF THOSE SHOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND THEY SHOULD APPROVE THAT USE AT THAT TIME.
BUT, UH, AS I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS YET, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS FUND READY TO GO FOR WHEN THAT, UM, WHEN THE SETTLEMENTS DO COME IN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? YES, DON, THANK YOU, MIRROR JIM.
UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FROM THE STATE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE GENERAL CATEGORIES THIS MORNING CAN BE USED FOR? UM, I'VE LOOKED AT IT.
UH, CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF JUST A MILE HIGH VIEW OF WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT TO USE THE MONEY FOR? I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GET INTO DETAIL.
UM, AND, UH, WHEN I DID LOOK AT IT, IT, IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FALL UNDER THE POLICE DOMAIN, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, PROPER PURPOSES.
AND I, I DUNNO, UH, BRIAN HAS DISCUSSED THAT WITH, UH, CHIEF LIGHTENER, UH, AS TO, UM, SOME POSSIBLE USES.
UH, AND, UH, I THINK WE HAD A CONVERSATION THAT WE BRIAN ABOUT.
MAYBE THERE'D BE A, UM, A JOINT EFFORT, UH COUNTY-WIDE WITH, UH, SOMETHING.
AND, AND I DON'T RECALL THE, SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT, UH, THANK YOU, JOHN.
IT'S A LITTLE EARLY IN DECIDING RICHARD.
UM, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM SETTING UP THIS FUND.
UH, AS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR STATED WE DID MOVE FORWARD TO DOING AN INITIAL, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF THIS, UM, MOVING IT FORWARD.
I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE A COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON HOW THESE FUNDS ARE, UM, ARE SPENT,
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UM, TO, UH, NOT ONLY ASSIST THE RESIDENTS WHERE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTY.UH, SO IF THAT'S A PRESENTATION THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND POLICE CHIEF COULD WORK TOGETHER AND BRING BACK THE COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE, UH, I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO, UH, PROVIDE MY INPUT AND, AND SEE HOW WE CAN BEST SPEND, UM, AND NOT ONLY BEST UTILIZE THESE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK LIKE AMERICA.
I MEAN, I HAVE NO ISSUES, UH, ST.
UM, I THINK THEY JUST, FOR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, UH, WOULD HELP US ALL IN KNOWING WHAT TYPES OF EXPENDITURES QUALIFY.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN THING ONCE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S QUALIFIED, THEN I THINK IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, SPEND THE MONEY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVING, UM, I GUESS THE CHIEF, WE HAVE DECIDED THE COUNCIL INPUT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, OVERALL GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE, WE KNOW OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE FENTANYL AND THE OPIOIDS HAS BEEN A REAL BIG ISSUE.
I MEAN, UM, YOU'RE BACK WHEN, UH, WHEN, UH, PHIL PLUMBER WAS THE, UH, WAS THE SHERIFF, THERE WERE, UH, TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, THINGS THAT WAS GOING ON SURROUNDING HOW BAD, UH, THE OPIOID ISSUE WAS HERE LOCALLY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE,
SO WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES.
SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A BIG FOCUS.
I'M GLAD THESE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.
UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED ALSO IN SOME TYPE OF, UH, WHAT COULD BE DONE FROM AN OVERALL COUNTY ISSUE IF THERE ARE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL AREAS TRYING TO GET TOGETHER TO SPEND THIS MONEY TO, UM, TO GET THE BEST USE OUT OF IT.
SO, BUT OVERALL, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF PRESENTATION ON WHAT IS AVAILABLE, WHAT TYPE OF FUNDS, WHAT TYPE OF EXPENSES CAN ACTUALLY BE USED WITH THAT MONEY.
SO, YEAH, JIM AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT IN READING THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING MR. WEBB, THAT I DID SEE THAT, UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF EXPENSES THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY TAKEN ON, UH, TO FIGHT THAT.
SO I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME WAS BUYING A LOT OF NARCAN.
AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING WE, OF COURSE, WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND APPROVE THAT EXPENSE, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT, UH, COULD BE REIMBURSED.
I REMEMBER THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH, WITH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BACK THEN.
GLAD TO SEE THIS, FINALLY, SEEING SOME FUNDS COMING TO BACK UP, WHAT WE HAVE SPENT AND, AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND FOR FURTHER PREVENTION.
I'M GLAD I MADE IT IN TIME FOR THIS.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
THIS IS BY MY JOB, BUT LAST WEEK IT BECAME MORE THAN MY JOB.
I GOT PLACED CUSTODY OF A THREE-YEAR-OLD GIRL BECAUSE THE MOTHER OVERDOSED AND COULD NO LONGER TAKE CARE OF HER AND ALBUM BLUE BRIGHT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MONEY, GO TO HELP, WHATEVER FAMILIES WE CAN HAVE HELP OUT THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY KIDS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, HELP FAMILIES TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO A MEETING WITH? OKAY.
[ Fire Division Staffing Levels Presentation]
ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION ON FIRE DIVISION STAFFING LEVELS PRESENTATION.UH, I'M GOING TO PASS THIS TO THE PHARMACY MANAGER, UH, BRIAN FOR QUICK DISCUSSION, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATION BY MR. BARRETT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO, UM, PROVIDE A PREFACE FOR THE COMMENTS YOU'RE ABOUT READY TO HEAR FROM, UH, CHIEF NICELY.
UM, WE, AS STAFF HAVE ALREADY BEGUN PREPARING THE 20, 23 BUDGET.
WE START WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET, UH, AND THEN WE MOVE INTO THE TAX BUDGET AND THEN WE START BUILDING INTO THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES AND REVENUE COMPONENT TO THE BUDGET.
AND IN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, WITH MR. BELL AND LOOKING AND EVALUATING THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB AT MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE'VE CONTINUED TO INVEST IN AMENITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE HAVE THE BEST, UM, PHYSICAL ASSETS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY AND WE CAN PROVIDE OUR RESIDENTS.
UH, AND THAT, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, WE HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TAX MEASURES COMING UP ON THE BALLOT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE MEASURES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO SEND THIS BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE, AND THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, HOW WE OPERATE, UH, NOT JUST WHAT WE SPEND OUR MONEY ON WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING THINGS, UH, BUT HOW WE PROVIDE FOR OUR STAFF, HOW WE PROVIDE THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO DO THE JOBS THAT WE ASK OUR STAFF TO DO EVERY DAY.
AND SO THINKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT THAT MEANS AND HEARING SOME COMMENTS AND RECALLING SOME COMMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THE DAYA.
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MR. SHAW, YOU HAVE ASKED, UM, I BELIEVE FOR A REPORT REGARDING OUR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, OPERATIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.UM, UH, MR. LYONS, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT FIRE, A FEW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED A CONCERN.
I THINK MR. MAYOR, YOU HAD TALKED EARLIER IN THE YEAR ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DO WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WE NEED, UH, TO DO THE JOB THAT OUR CITIZENS EXPECT US TO DO? AND SO I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME AS WE WERE PREPARING TO GO INTO THE OPERATIONAL COMPONENT OF OUR BUDGET, UH, TO ASK, UH, THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF OUR BIG THREE FIRE POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS, UH, TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ASKED, UH, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN PLANNING TO MAKE, UH, ALL OF THE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS AND NOT OUR THINGS, UH, BUT OUR PEOPLE TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE TOP-NOTCH SERVICES THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE COME TO EXPECT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE GREAT AMENITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE ASSETS THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN, UH, WHAT GOOD IS AN IMPROVED WATER SYSTEM OR AN IMPROVED SEWER SYSTEM IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I'VE ASKED CHIEF NICELY TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, HIS CURRENT STAFFING SITUATION AND WHAT HE THINKS HIS STAFFING SITUATION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
I'VE ALSO ASKED CHIEF LIGHTENER AND PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, UM, MIKE GRAY TO ALSO PREPARE SIMILAR PRESENTATIONS TO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT.
AND I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO SEE ONE OF THOSE TOWARDS THE END OF MAY.
AND THEN AGAIN, AT THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT COUNSEL'S SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE AT THE NEXT FEW WORK SESSIONS.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL GET OUT OF THE WAY, UH, OF CHIEF NICELY SINCE I'VE GIVEN YOU THE PREFACE FOR WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE, AND NOT JUST THROUGH NICELY, BUT THROUGH, UH, THE OTHER BIG, UH, THE OTHER TWO COMPONENTS OF THE BIG THREE AND, UH, CHIEF, THE CLICKER IS YOURS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
UH, JIM'S GOING TO GET THE SHEPHERD'S HOOK OUT CAUSE I CAN TALK ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALL NIGHT LONG.
SO HE'S MONITORING MY WORDINESS.
UH, I BROUGHT WITH ME, UH, UH, JOHN RUSSELL, HE'S ADMINISTRATIVE BATTALION CHIEF.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE AN ASSISTANT CHIEF.
JOHN IS A AS A BATTALION CHIEF.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE BATTALION CHIEFS, UH, THAT WORK SHIFT AND ONE THAT'S ADMIN.
AND BASICALLY JOHN'S KIND OF THE, UH, THE RIGHT HAND MAN, OR KEEPS ME, KEEPS ME GOING.
AND IN LINE, I ALSO ASK HIM A MARK CON, UH, I BROUGHT MARK HERE SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFFING, I THINK IT WAS, UH, I DID MY FIRST DEPARTMENTAL MEETING LAST YEAR WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING SOMETIME AROUND LATE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME INCREASES IN SERVICE DEMAND.
UH, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SIMULTANEOUS CALLS AND WE SAT DOWN AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT REACTING OVER REACTING TO WHAT COULD BE AN ANOMALY.
AND, UH, BUT ANYWAYS, THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS, UH, WE'VE ENTRUSTED, UH, MARK, AND, UH, WE'VE, UH, TALKED TO MARK QUITE A BIT AS THE UNION LEADER, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, IT'S ALL ABOUT OUR PEOPLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE FIRE TRUCKS LOOK GREAT.
THEY DO A FUNCTION, BUT NOTHING HAPPENS.
THE AMBULANCES DON'T RUN WITHOUT THE PEOPLE.
SO, UH, I DID ASK MARK TO KIND OF BE HERE AND KIND OF VALIDATE THE FACT THAT HE HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS.
SO, UH, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE STAFFING LEVELS, UH, I WENT BACK AND SAID, WELL, HOW FAR BACK IN TIME DO WE GO? AND, UH, IN MARCH 2ND, 1998, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET A JOB WITH HUBRIS FIRE DIVISION.
SO 24 YEARS AGO, I FIGURED THAT'S FAR ENOUGH TO GO BACK.
YOU'LL SEE BETWEEN 1998 AND 2022, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHANGES AND IT'S BEEN, UH, INFLUX AND MONEY, OR IT'S BEEN ECONOMIC DOWNTIME.
I CAN SAY, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY THE COUNCIL HAS NEVER LAID ANYBODY OFF FROM THE FIRE DIVISION.
YOU KNOW, ANYTIME SOMEBODY CHANGES A JOB, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
AND ANY OF OUR REDUCTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THROUGH ATTRITION.
UH, AND, AND THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST ONE UP THERE WAS DONE VERY SMARTLY.
UH, WE ENDED UP PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MORE MONEY INTO OVERTIME AND WE MADE THINGS WORK.
SO IN 1998, WE HAD 45 FUNDED POSITIONS.
IN 2001, WE STARTED EMS BILLING.
UH, SO WE CAPTURED A FUNDING SOURCE IN, UH, IN 2001 THAT WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE FIRE SERVICE INDUSTRY WERE AGAINST UNTIL WE REALIZED THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THIS IT'S THE LAW THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE SERVICES.
AND IF THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE SERVICES IT RIGHT BACK INTO, UH, INTO THE FUNDS.
SO WE ADDED SEVEN PERSONNEL IN 2001.
I BELIEVE JOHN WAS HIRED JUST BEFORE THAT.
THE NEXT ROUND OF HIRES THAT WE DID WAS BECAUSE OF EMS BILLING.
IN 2009, WE LOST, UH, WE LOST A BODY IN 2011.
WE STARTED THAT ATTRITION PROCESS IN 2016, STATION 25 OPENED UP, WE BROUGHT THREE PEOPLE BACK AND IN 2019 WERE FORTUNATE TO GET THREE MORE FUNDED POSITIONS.
AND THAT LEADS US TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH ONE
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FIRE CHIEF, FOR BATTALION CHIEFS, 10 FIRE, 10 LIEUTENANTS AND 39 FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.SO TERMINOLOGY WISE, UH, ALL OF US THAT CAN GO INTO A FIRE ARE CONSIDERED FIREFIGHTERS.
WE JUST ALLOCATE THE FIREFIGHTERS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.
SO WHEN I SAY 54 FUNDED FIRE PERSONNEL, THAT IS 54 PEOPLE THAT CAN BE TASKED WITH GOING INTO A FIRE OR, UH, RESPONDING ON AN EMS CALL.
SO OUR HISTORIC SERVICE DEMAND, YOU CAN SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IN 2009, WE DID A, UH, APPROXIMATELY 5,132 CALLS.
AND IN 2021, WE DID 7,788 CALLS.
SO I HAVE A LITTLE GRAPH HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS YEAR, THE 7,788, 2020, COVID DEFINITELY THROUGH OUR SERVICES, UH, FOR A LOOP.
UH, THERE WERE DAYS DURING THE SHUTDOWN THAT I THINK WE ADDED A COUPLE OF DAYS WHERE WE DID SIX CALLS, AND THEN WE HAD SOME DAYS WHERE WE HAD SOME, SOME BIG DAYS, UM, LOOKING THROUGH THE HISTORY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, THERE'S SOME UPS AND DOWNS.
I CAN TELL YOU LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING STAFFING, ONE OF MY BIG, BIG CONCERNS WAS, IS THAT THE INCREASES WE HAD WERE AN ANOMALY AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO REACT TO ANOMALY.
WE'VE BEEN WATCHING, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE 6,931 CALLS, IF WE FACTORED IN 2020, AND WE SAID, WE HAD THE AVERAGE 200 CALL PER YEAR INCREASE, YOU CAN SEE THE 2021 IS STILL EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH.
I CAN TELL YOU, WE'RE WATCHING THESE STATS.
WE CONTINUE TO WATCH THEM, AND WE ARE STILL TRENDING UP.
SO, UH, THIS IS FROM OUR SOFTWARE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS, THE SOFTWARE THAT WE WENT TO, UH, WE MADE THE CHANGE ON APRIL 1ST, 2019, WHICH ALLOWED US TO GET, UH, DAILY UPDATES AND NICE GRAPHS.
AND WE CAN GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU'LL SEE, ON APRIL 1ST, 2019, OUR AVERAGE CALL PER DAY WAS 17.381 YEAR LATER ON APRIL 1ST, 2020, IT WAS 18.85.
SO APRIL 20TH, IT WAS A 20.55.
AND THEN OUR DAILY CALL AVERAGE WAS 22.25.
AND THAT WAS AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
OUR, OUR DEMAND FOR SERVICES IS GROWING, UM, AND CONTINUES TO TREND UP THIS SLIDE HERE IS SIMULTANEOUS CALLS.
SO OBVIOUSLY MANPOWER IS FINITE.
WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WORKING DURING THE DAY, UH, OUT OF ALL OF OUR CALLS OUT OF OUR 7,788 CALLS, 3,512 OF THOSE CALLS HAPPENED AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED IN THE CITY, BUT 11.7 TIMES PER DAY, ON AVERAGE, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO SIMULTANEOUS RESPONSES.
SO AT LEAST 11.7 TIMES DURING A 24 HOUR SHIFT, THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO VEHICLES OUT ON THE ROAD ON SEPARATE INCIDENTS.
UH, AND THEN WE GO UP TO 3.2 TIMES A DAY.
ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD.
ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE FOUR SIMULTANEOUS INCIDENTS, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE HIGHER NUMBERS HERE.
LAST YEAR WE EXPERIENCED AT LEAST FIVE SIMULTANEOUS CALLS, AND AT LEAST 30% OF THE DAYS WE HAD SIX OR MORE SIMULTANEOUS CALLS.
AND REMEMBER AN EMS CALL TAKES A MINIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE.
THE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO SEND TWO PEOPLE, UH, AND SOMETIMES WE SEND MORE, A STRUCTURE.
FIRE CAN TAKE UP TO, UM, 20 PEOPLE WITH, UH, WITH MUTUAL AID COMPANIES COMING UP.
I CAN IN ONE, 2016, RIGHT NOW STATION 25 IS STILL PERFORMING ABOUT 20% OF THE, UH, OF THE CALLS OVERALL STATION 23 IS 37%.
AND STATION 22 IS OUR WORKHORSE AT 43%.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE THE BODIES ARE AT, UH, WHERE THE CALLS ARE AT STATION 22, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, UH, STATION 22 ACTUALLY RESPONDS OFF OF CARRIAGE TRAIL TO LIKE, I'LL USE THE DANBERRY BECAUSE WE CAN STILL GET THERE QUICKER THAN STATION 25 CAMP.
SO STATION 22 IS CERTAINLY THE WORKHORSE OF THE OPERATION.
UM, HISTORIC CALL DEMAND BY STATION.
SO THIS IS THIS GOING BACK TO 19 AND 20, YOU CAN SEE THAT STATION 25, ABOUT 19% OF THE CALLS IN 2000, UH, 20 19% OF THE CALLS.
AND IN 2021, IT TOOK UP 20, UH, UH, 20% OF THE CALLS.
BUT STATION 23 HAS CONTINUED TO BE AT A HIGH PERFORMER WITH STATION 23 FALLING RIGHT BEHIND THIS GRAPH.
THE BLUE, THE BLUE COLUMNS IS THE CALL VOLUME PER POSITION.
SO THAT'S TAKING OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS AND DIVIDING IT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED STAFF.
CURRENTLY WE'RE RIGHT IN THE BALLPARK, 1 44 0.2, TWO,
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UH, CALLS PER PERSON.OBVIOUSLY EACH OF OUR EMPLOYEES RESPONDS TO MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE WE SEND MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO CALLS, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT, HOW MANY CALLS WE HAVE VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AUTHORIZED FOR US.
UH, WE'RE AT ONE, 140 AND 4.22.
THE NEXT LINE IS SHOWING IN OUR COMPARABLES.
THERE ARE HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CITY OF DAYTON, FAIRBORN, KETTERING, WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP, BEAVER CREEK, MIAMI VALLEY, FIRE DISTRICT, ALL COMMUNITIES THAT SERVE A POPULATION GREATER THAN 40,000, THE, A WHITE NUMBER UP THERE INDICATES HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS WE HAVE PER CAPITA.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR POPULATION DIDN'T JUST INCREASE OVERNIGHT, BUT THE NUMBERS CERTAINLY CAME OUT LAST YEAR.
AND WITH THAT CHANGE IN NUMBERS THAT DREW OUR NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS PER 1000 PEOPLE TO 1.24, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS LIKE 1.5 TO 1.8.
THE AREA AVERAGE IS ABOUT 1.4 FIREFIGHTERS PER 1000.
AND WE'RE PERFORMING AT 1.2, FOUR COST PER CAUSE, UH, COST PER CALL AND CALLS PER AUTHORIZED STAFF.
SO THE BLUE LINE IS HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING US TO RESPOND TO AN INCIDENT WITH OUR OPERATIONAL FUNDS.
AND THE ORANGE LINE IS HOW MANY CALLS PER STAFF.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WE'VE GONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE UP AND DOWN WITH THE COST PER CALL.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS, IS THE GAP BETWEEN THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE LINE IS SHOWING US THAT WE ARE AT UP SPOT.
IF WE WERE IN A PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND WE WERE NOT WORRIED ABOUT OVERWORKING OUR PEOPLE.
AND WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT TOTAL PROFIT.
WE ARE AT A PRETTY GOOD SPOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE AND WE HAVE SO MANY CALLS.
SO IT'S COSTING US LESS TO RESPOND TO EACH CALL.
THAT IS WHAT IS KIND OF CONCERNING US AS WELL, IS THAT FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE IS STARTING TO INCREASE.
AND THEN ALSO OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THE NEXT EMERGENCY IS STARTING TO TREND TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO.
WE WILL START SEEING A LITTLE MORE ISSUES, PROBABLY INCREASED USE OF MUTUAL AID, OUR HISTORIC BUDGET TOTALS.
THIS ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL, UH, TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN COUNSELED, HASN'T BEEN ASLEEP.
OUR BUDGET HAS CONTINUED TO CLIMB AND KIND OF MIRROR WHAT OUR CALL ACTIVITY HAS DONE.
SO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN OUR BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR, FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF SOME OVERTIME COSTS, IT'S, UH, UH, A THEY'RE PINCHING CASH OUTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE THE ANOMALY AS THE WHY THAT, THAT BUDGET'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT YOU CAN TELL THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY TRENDING UP AND WE WILL BE EXCEEDING OUR, UH, OUR CALL VOLUME WILL BE EXCEEDING OUR BUDGET 2021 COST COMPARISON.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT ALL THE AVERAGES AND TAKING EVERYBODY'S OPERATION BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT OF CALLS YOU WERE HEIGHTS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRENDING AT $1,114 AND 55 CENTS.
THE LOWEST DEPARTMENT IN THE AREA IS $964 AND 58 CENTS.
UH, WITH THE AVERAGE AT $1,400 AND THE HIGH AT $2,100.
SO THAT IS OUR COMPARISON TO NEIGHBORING DEPARTMENTS, UH, HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING THEM TO RESPOND TO EACH EMERGENCY.
YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE BREAK THAT DOWN BY OUR POPULATION, WE ARE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST COST, UH, AT $199 AND 82 CENTS PER PER POPULATION.
OUR REQUEST, UM, THE, UH, THE REQUEST IS, IS TO INCREASE OUR TOTAL FIREFIGHTING PERSONNEL BY SEVEN, LOOKING AT 2023, HIRING FOUR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.
AND THEN IN 2020 FOR HIRING THE SECOND ROUND OF THREE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, THEY ESTIMATED COSTS FOR THE FIRST YEAR IS JUST ABOUT 388,000.
THE SECOND YEAR IS JUST ABOUT 682,000.
THE THIRD YEAR WOULD BE 7 4740 9,000 WITH A GRAND TOTAL FOR THREE YEAR INCREASE OF $1.8 MILLION.
THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER WE WOULD ADD THE PERSONNEL, WE WOULD INCREASE OUR FIREFIGHTERS PER POPULATION TO 1.4, UH, RIGHT ABOUT THE AVERAGE FOR OUR AREA.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF CALLS PER FIREFIGHTER POSITION FROM 1 44 DOWN TO 1 27, WHICH IS BRINGING OUR LINE DOWN MORE IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
WHAT WOULD THAT DO OPERATIONALLY THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR COST PER CALL TO $1,300 IN A $1,348 AND THE COST PER POPULATION AT $241 AND 69 CENTS.
THAT STILL KEEPS US BELOW THE, UH, THE, UH, THE AVERAGE COST AND THE, OBVIOUSLY THE HIGH COST.
SO EVEN WITH THE INCREASE, WE'RE STILL PROVIDING A BETTER SERVICE FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE RESULTS WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN, BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN QUALITY RESPONSE TIMES, INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY FOR FRONTLINE SUPERVISORS TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND MENTORSHIP,
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UH, TO OPERATIONS PERSONNEL.UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REDUCE OUR FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE.
UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY AND CONTINUOUS QUALITY IMPROVEMENT PROCESSES.
AND IN CLOSING, WE KNOW CALL VOLUME IS ON THE RISE.
WE'RE STILL OUT THERE DELIVERING A SERVICE.
WE'RE STILL DELIVERING A VERY GOOD SERVICE.
WE'RE JUST STARTING TO FORECAST HERE.
HUBER HEIGHTS IS ONE OF ONLY TWO AREAS OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL TWO FIRE PROTECTION RATING FROM THE INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE.
I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM OUR EVALUATOR, THE INSURANCE SERVICE OFFICE.
THERE'S A RATING OF ONE TO 10.
10 IS BASICALLY SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T PARTICIPATE.
HUBER HEIGHTS HAS MAINTAINED A LEVEL TWO.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT OUR PERSONNEL.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT OUR RESPONSE.
DISPATCH IS ACTUALLY A VERY BIG FACTOR AS WELL.
WE MAINTAIN THE LEVEL TO WHICH 4% OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE NATION HAVE A LEVEL, A CLASS TO A FIRE PROTECTION RATING.
SO WE'RE DOING VERY WELL WITH THAT.
WE, WE CAN RESPOND AND, AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
UM, CERTAINLY I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW MARK APPRECIATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PRESENT AND JOHN, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THE FUTURE STAFFING LEVELS TO ALLOW THE FIRE DIVISION, TO KEEP DELIVERING A HIGH QUALITY SERVICE.
ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO VERY THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKED THE IDEA THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, NOT JUST WHAT MAYBE AN IMMEDIATE NEED MIGHT BE.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO STEP BACK AND STUDY WHAT SOME OF THESE CALLS WERE DOING IN THE, IN THE RATE OF THESE CALLS.
I REMEMBER IT OR DISCUSSION WHEN YOU'RE AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, UH, PRIOR TO THE KIND OF CLOSING ON THE BUDGET TALKING ABOUT, UM, TAKING A LOOK TO SEE THAT WE WEREN'T IN SOME TYPE OF AN, AN ANOMALY SITUATIONS YOU HAD MENTIONED BECAUSE OF COVID TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE WE STARTED LOOKING AT STAFFING, THAT, THAT THESE NUMBERS WERE EITHER PROJECTED OR THEY WERE GONNA START TO FALL BACK.
SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND ALL THE PROCESS THAT WENT INTO THIS.
UH, ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON HERE THOUGH, AND ALSO, I THINK KIND OF JUST MAYBE FOR MORE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT IS OUR CALL TIME, WHAT IS OUR AVERAGE KIND OF CALL TIME? CAUSE THAT'S I REMEMBER, UM, BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU'VE ASKED WROTE THIS HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAS WHAT'S OUR CALL WAS OUR CALL TIMES.
CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FIREFIGHTERS PARAMEDICS TO KEEP OUR CALL TIMES AT WHAT THE, UM, AN ACCEPTABLE TIME WHERE WE WEREN'T SEEING THOSE GUIDED HAND EITHER, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, BUT WE'RE KEEPING CALL TIMES DOWN.
I MEAN, THERE'S KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE IN ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, SO I'M CERTAINLY COGNIZANT OF THAT, THAT FACT, BUT WHAT IS KIND OF OUR, OUR CALL TIME, IF WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES IT SAY? WHAT CAN I SAY TO SOME EXPECT WHEN THEY CALL 9 1, 1, THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY.
HOW LONG HAS IT TAKEN US TO GET TO THEM? SO, SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THE GOOD NEWS AND THE BAD NEWS IS, IS ONE IS THE RESPONSE TIME.
WE CAN GET PLACES FAST, EVEN IF WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE PERSON.
RIGHT? ONE OF OUR THINGS THAT WE'VE WE'VE BEEN STUDYING IS, IS, IS THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LEARN CPR IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO EVEN IF WE GET ONE BODY, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE BODY LEFT, IF WE GET TO THE SCENE, THAT'S FACTORING INTO OUR RESPONSE TIME.
SO RESPONSE TIMES ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT EVEN IF WE'RE JUST THROWING ONE OR TWO BODIES AT SOMETHING MAJOR, WE'RE GETTING SOMEBODY THERE THAT KNOWS WHAT TO DO.
IF IT'S A FIRE OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SIZING THE SITUATION UP, WE'RE MAKING THE SITUATION SAFE FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARRIVING.
IF IT'S SOMEONE IN CARDIAC ARREST, WE'RE PROVIDING FIRST AID, WE'RE PROVIDING CPR, WE HAVE AN AED IN THE BATTALION CHIEF'S CAR.
SO, UH, BUT THE NUMBERS AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE PROCESSING TIME, WHICH CHIEF LIGHTENER STAFF, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CHIEF LIGHTNER STAFF AND DISPATCH, AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THE CALL OUT THE DOOR WITHIN 60 SECONDS.
AND I KNOW OUR AVERAGE IS BELOW 60 SECONDS WITH, WITH THAT, BUT FROM THE TIME OF OUR DISPATCH AND GETTING OUT THE DOOR, WHICH WE HAVE 60 SECONDS TO DO.
SO ONCE OUR TRUCKS ARE ON THE ROAD OR VEHICLES ARE ON THE ROAD ON FIRE SITUATIONS, OUR AVERAGE RIGHT NOW IS THREE MINUTES AND 38 SECONDS FOR FIRE AND EMS FACTORING EMS. IT'S AT THREE MINUTES AND 34 SECONDS.
THAT'S GETTING SOMEBODY TO THE SCENE.
UH, ONCE THE CALL GOES OUT, THEY'RE LOADED UP AND THEY'RE RESPONDING.
SO OUR TRAVEL TIME, THAT'S WHAT OUR TRAVEL TIMES.
I MEAN, I, AND I KNOW IF YOU'RE IN A SITUATION AND YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, YOU'RE NEEDING EMERGENCY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, A MINUTE PROBABLY SEEMS LIKE AN HOUR, BUT THREE MINUTES AND 34 SECONDS TO GET EMS ON SCENE 60 SECONDS OFF THE DOORS SEEMS PRETTY DAMN IMPRESSIVE TO ME.
UH, IN REVIEWING THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND SEEING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS STAFFING LEVELS, I'VE PREPARED SOME COMMENTS, BUT I WANTED TO START OUT BEFORE I READ MY
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COMMENTS, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT FOR THE 34 YEARS I'VE SERVED THE CITIZENS YOU HEIGHTS, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A TREMENDOUS SUPPORTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, SERVICE IN REGARDS TO STREETS.IF THE STREETS AREN'T ADEQUATE, WE CAN'T GET TO THE FIRE, UH, OR THE POLICE SITUATION.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE CITIZENS DON'T FEEL SAFE, THEY'RE NOT SAFE.
THEN OUR CITY WILL QUIT GROWING.
BUT, UM, IT, IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE TONIGHT, UH, I THINK WE'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE RIGHT TIME TO TALK ABOUT STAFFING, HUBER HEIGHTS HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB AT PROVIDING OUR COMMUNITY WITH GREAT AMENITIES WITH GUARANTEED REVENUE STREAMS. UM, THIS COMMITMENT, UH, TO ASSIGN A REVENUE STREAM, TO FUND A CAPITAL PROJECT WAS CONFIRMED AS BEING SUCCESSFUL BY OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, ANDY BRAS, CERT AND ANDY GAVE A FULL REPORT IN NOVEMBER, 2020.
IF YOU REMEMBER, JIM, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE AMENITIES THAT, UH, WE'VE HELPED SUCCESSFULLY DRIVE, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS, UH, HELPED THE GROWTH OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND KNOWING THAT OUR COMMUNITY ASSETS HAVE THE GUARANTEED REVENUE SOURCE, I THINK THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE OUR STAFFING LEVELS TO ENSURE NOT ONLY THAT WE HAVE, UH, PROPER AMENITIES, BUT AN ONGOING COMMITMENT TO THE OUTSTANDING SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.
UH, BUT TO ALSO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO CARE FOR THE AMENITIES AND THE COMMUNITY DESERVES AND APPRECIATES, UH, TWO PROJECTS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND TO HOPEFULLY GET RECALIBRATED AS A COMMUNITY OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE I THINK MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION WHERE WE NEED TO GO IS DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD.
UM, I THINK SOMETIMES, UH, SOME OF US THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT IS BAD, UH, AND IT DRAINS OUR RESOURCES AND SUCH, BUT, UH, ONE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK ALL OF US WOULD AGREE IS THE GYM AND THE COMMUNITY IS THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
AND I THINK THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER GYM ADDS, UH, APPROXIMATELY A MILLION PLUS DOLLARS A YEAR TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT GENERAL FUND MONEY COULD BE SPENT POLICE AND ENVIRONMENT.
THE REVENUE FROM THE MUSIC CENTER DOES GO TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION FUND AND COULD GO TO POLICE AND FIRE.
IT COULD BE MOVED AS, AS THE COUNCIL'S WISH.
AND, UH, BRIAN, CHAD KOSKI, I REMEMBER THE SECOND DAY AFTER YOU WERE APPOINTED THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY SUBJECT AND MY VISION MOVING FORWARD.
AND THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, PLACED TIFFS ON AND THE, THE MINDSET BEHIND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE FUNDING, UH, THOUGHT WAS TO PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
SO WE CAN ELIMINATE HAVING A PARKS AND REC LEVEE THAT THE TAXPAYERS WOULD PAY IN HOPES THAT THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO RENEW THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEVY THAT I THINK IS RENEWED EACH 10 YEARS, BUT ALSO, UH, WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT MIGHT HAVE CRA SUPPLIED TO THEM.
AND SOME OF WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN INVOKED YET, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE MONIES.
AND, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF THOSE THAT MIGHT BE COMING UP HERE? SO, UH, YES, SIR.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS, UM, SIMILAR, UM, IN A SIMILAR CONDITION WHERE WE HAVE, UM, EITHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WHICH HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED AND EXECUTED, UH, BUT THE ELEMENTS HAVE NOT DEVELOPED.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, WEST PORT VILLAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THERE, UH, INVOLVING A CRA, BUT NO DEVELOPMENT HAS HAPPENED YET.
UH, THEY'RE PREPARING TO, TO BEGIN THAT PROJECT A LITTLE LATER THIS YEAR, WE'RE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING, UM, CRA'S WITH, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WE HAVE CRA'S WITH THE HOMESTEAD GROUP, UM, OVER AT OUR PROJECT, UM, OVER ON, UH, IN MARION MEADOWS THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO FINALIZE THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT.
UH, WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH, UH, ACTUALLY A PROJECT THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, AT SEA ON MONDAY, WHICH IS THE HAMPTONS PROJECT.
THERE'S A CRA ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT AS WELL, AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THOSE ARE AVENUES THAT WE COULD LOOK TO FOR POTENTIAL REVENUE, SERVICE REVENUES, UH, TO HELP FUND SERVICES THROUGH THE DISSERVICE PAYMENT OR PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES AND, AND THESE PILOT PAYMENTS PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF TAXES, UH, THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S AT A BRENT PIKE AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
PARKVIEW HAS SERVICE PAYMENTS.
AND HAVE THOSE SERVICE PAYMENTS BEGUN YET? UM, THEY HAVE NOT, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT TWO, I BELIEVE THIS YEAR IS, UH, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE 20, 23, 20 23, EXCUSE ME, 2023 IS WHEN WE'LL RECEIVE THE SERVICE FIRST SERVICE PAYMENTS.
WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE SERVICE PAYMENTS MIGHT BE.
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THE FIRST TWO, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TWO OR THREE YEARS OF THE AGREEMENT.AND THEN IT ELEVATES TO LIKE 105, AND THEN IT GRADUATES UP FROM THERE.
I THINK THEY GET AS HIGH AS ALMOST 180,000.
I WANT TO SAY, I'D HAVE TO PULL THE AGREEMENT, BUT THEY, THEY ESCALATE QUITE HIGH TOWARDS THE END OF THAT, THAT COUNTRY FOR HOW MANY YEARS WOULD AN AGREEMENT LIKE THAT LAST ARE THE CRA'S TYPICALLY RUN FOR THE DURATION OF THE ABATEMENT, WHICH IS 15 YEARS.
SO THE ANDY BOSSERT, UH, REVIEW OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAD BUILT AND THAT WE HAD AMPLE A REVENUE STREAM TO COVER, THOSE WOULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED.
UH CRA'S LIKE YOU'VE JUST DISCUSSED.
AND THOSE CRA PAYMENTS GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THE STATUTES REQUIRE THAT THE CRA SERVICE PAYMENTS, UH, BE ASSOCIATED WITH IMPROVEMENTS, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO TIF PAYMENTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING THROUGH WITH SPECIAL COUNSEL, CHRIS FRANCE, CHRISTOPHER BRONSMAN ON WAYS THAT WE CAN, UH, LEVERAGE THIS SERVICE PAYMENT TO HELP PAY FOR.
UH, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, UH, WE COULD USE IT TO PAY FOR PUBLIC SERVICE OPERATIONS, UH, AND THEN BY PAYING FOR PUBLIC SERVICE OPERATIONS, PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS, UH, WE COULD MOVE MONIES FROM THAT CATEGORY TO ANOTHER CATEGORY.
SO IT'S SIMILAR TO DOMINO'S, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT WOULD MOVE THE MONEY OVER TIME TO WHERE WE WOULD NEED IT TO GO.
YES, SOME OF THE MONEY THAT FUNDS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OUT OF GENERAL FUND COULD BE SWITCHED AND USED, AND WE COULD PAY FOR THE, UH, PROGRAM THAT, UH, CHIEF KNISELY JUST DESCRIBED.
ULTIMATELY, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL THAT WE WOULD TRY TO GET TO.
SO THE, UH, TIF REVENUE FOR, UH, ADDED PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE COMING IN COULD HELP PAY FOR, UH, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR WATER MAINS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
CORRECT, SIR, WE'VE COMMISSIONED A STUDY WITH, UM, LJB ENGINEERING, UH, TO HELP US DETERMINE WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS ESSENTIAL TO EACH ONE OF OUR INDIVIDUAL TIF DISTRICTS.
UM, SO, UH, FOR OTHER WORDS, UM, ALCORN, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, THE, THE LANDINGS PROJECT, THEY ARE A TIF, UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM.
THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN SEWER SYSTEM.
SO OUR WATER PLANT AND OUR, UH, COMBINED SEWER PLANT ARE ESSENTIAL SERVICES FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, RELY ON LJB TO TELL US WHICH MAINS, WHICH PIPES ARE ESSENTIAL TO SERVICE THAT PROPERTY.
AND WHEN THEY DO, WE WILL THEN BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT REPORT WITH THE TIF DOLLARS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTRICT, BECAUSE THEY DIRECTLY, THOSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DIRECTLY SUPPORTS THAT DISTRICT.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EXPANDING OUR THINKING TO MAKE THOSE DOLLARS GO FURTHER.
AND IT'S YOUR INTENT, EVEN AFTER THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN YOUR CAPACITY AND LOOK AT THE EXPANSION OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 YEARS.
AND TAKING THOSE MONIES AND APPLYING THOSE TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THAT, UH, CHIEF NICELY JUST GAVE THAT HAD WE NOT DONE, WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
SO, SO I THINK WE'VE ALL WORKED TOGETHER.
I THINK WHEN WE THINK DEVELOPMENT, IT DOES HELP STAFFING AND I THINK ONE GOES WITH THE OTHER AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE, IN MY OPINION, ON THE DIET WE'VE BEEN ON, IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I FULLY SUPPORT YOUR PLAN AND PHASING THAT IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DETAIL AND THE UNION THAT HAS COME TO REPRESENT A NIGHT.
I THINK WHEN WE, UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE WHAT YOU SAID REALLY HITS HOME.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT PEOPLE JUST WILL NOT MOVE TO A COMMUNITY THAT THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, THEY WANT TO KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SAFE.
AND, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND NEARLY AS, AS LONG AS YOU MARK, I'M NOT TRYING TO EXPOSE YOUR AGE, BUT YOU SAID 34 YEARS.
SO YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LOT LONGER THAN, THAN, THAN MOST OF US.
BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, OR CANDOR WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR SUPPORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER, EVER BEEN A QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER BEEN A QUESTION FOR ME OR ANYONE ELSE UP HERE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY.
CAUSE WE KNOW, UH, THE, THE GROWTH AND THE, UM, I THINK JUST THE OVERALL
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FEEL ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IF PEOPLE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HOW GOOD OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS WERE.SO I WOULD AGREE, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THE REVENUE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN WE'VE GOT.
SO LOOKING AT THE SOURCE OF THE REVENUE STREAMS COMING IN, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
UM, BRIAN WITH THE NUMBERS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH, UH, AND IN OUR CITY IS THE DIRECT EQUIVALENT TO, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY STREETS AND OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND, UM, THE REVENUE STREAMS AND REVENUE SOURCES AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, IF, IF THOSE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M NOT THE FIRE CHIEF, I'M NOT A FIREFIGHTER I DON'T UNDER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, I CAN LOOK TO THE NUMBERS AND THE CHARTS AND THE DATA AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING.
BUT IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOUR AND THREE, THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOUR AND THREE.
AND I THINK IT'S THIS COUNCIL'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION, UH, BRIAN, I HAVE, UH, ALSO TALKED ABOUT CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THAT AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, UH, AFTER THE TIF EXPIRES, WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAXES.
AND COULD YOU REMIND ME HOW LONG THAT TIF LIFE IS THERE? 30 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOMES COME ONLINE, PAYING PROPERTY TAX, AND THAT WILL TRICKLE FORWARD UNTIL ALL OF THE HOMES UP THEY'RE PAYING US PROPERTY TAX, CORRECT? YES.
THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL TIP WILL EXPIRE.
I BELIEVE IN THE REVENUE COMING IN, WILL END IN 2035.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG WAY OFF UNTIL YOU'RE 64 YEARS OLD.
THAT ISN'T THAT FAR, BUT, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER, I THINK PIECE TO THE PUZZLE THAT WE NEED TO CALCULATE CHIEF NICELY IS WHAT THE EFFECT OF THAT IS.
AND IF THERE IS A GAP OF ANY, ANY SIZE, UH, IT COULD BE LOOKED AT AND MADE UP IN THAT WAY AS WELL.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, PROPERTY TAX THAT WILL BE POINTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAT WE DON'T GET TO APPRECIATE TODAY AND OVER A 10 TO 20 YEAR PERIOD.
THAT THAT CAN BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF REVENUE.
OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE? YES, MAYOR.
UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, THIS BEING A DISCUSSION ITEM TONIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST AND, UH, YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, CHIEF, UM, FOR FIREFIGHTERS, AND THIS IS JUST A PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR ME, UH, YOU RECOMMENDING FOR FIREFIGHTERS FOR NEXT YEAR, WHY FOUR, FOUR, AND THREE, AS OPPOSED TO THREE AND FOUR, FOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS THERE A REASON, RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE, I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING IS, IS THAT WE HIRE IN THREES.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GO, CAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.
THIS IS JUST A PIECE OF INTEREST FOR ME.
DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY LATER, BUT ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR.
GO AHEAD, CHIEF ASHWORTH ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT WE HIRED IN THREES.
WHEN I STARTED HERE, THEY JOKED AND SAID, WE LAY OFF IN THREE.
SO UNTIL YOU GET SOMEBODY UNTIL YOU REACH NUMBER FOUR, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THAT, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS MANY YEARS AGO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE ADDED THE THIRD THAT WE NEED TO GET AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY.
SO ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT WE WOULD HIRE, WE WOULD HIRE AS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC, BUT WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO BEST BE ABLE TO MOVE AND HAVE AN EXTRA ADMINISTRATIVE BODY THAT WILL DO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS WE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE IN FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE KIND OF DOING SOME ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT ADDING THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, THAT NUMBER FOUR POSITION WILL BE ABLE TO HELP US GET THE COMPANY OFFICER'S DAILY SUPERVISORS TO BE WITH THEIR COMPANIES.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE MORE CONTINUITY AND BETTER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT BY FOCUSING ONE ADMINISTRATIVE BODY ON SOME OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS.
AND THAT DOES MAKE SENSE WITH THE FOUR, UM, CHIEF ASHWORTH TAUGHT ME A LOT OVER THE TIME THAT I'VE WORKED WITH HIM, BUT ACTUALLY THE PERSON THAT TAUGHT ME THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE HIRED IN THREE, HIS BATTALION CHIEF JOHN RUSSELL, BUT HE WAS FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC JOHN RUSSELL AT THAT TIME 10 YEARS AGO.
SO IT WAS, IT'S WONDERFUL TO KNOW THAT.
UM, JIM IS THE COST OF A NEW FIREFIGHTER.
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STILL ABOUT $80,000.I WOULD SAY WITH BENEFITS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, MAYOR WITH THIS BEING ON THE AGENDA AND IN THIS ISSUE, WAS IT YOUR INTENTION TO, UM, HIRE FIREFIGHTERS AND PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR? OR WAS IT YOUR INTENTION TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION, BUT WAIT UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR THE BUDGET? WELL, I THINK, UM, I MEAN I WOULD LOOK FOR GUIDANCE FROM MR. BELL AND, AND MR. KOSKI IN TERMS OF, UH, WHEN THIS BUDGETING, I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT BUDGETING CYCLE, BUT I, I THINK, UM, THE COMMITMENT TO THAT WOULD BE, UH, I MEAN, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE, WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT FUNDING OR AT LEAST HAVING THE POSITIONS OPEN, HAVING YOUR CHARTS CHANGED, BUT THEN WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT NOT CHANGING OR ADDING TO THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART UNTIL WE WERE X-RAYED TO MAKE THOSE HIRES.
SO REALLY I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM, UH, CITY MANAGER AND OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR ON WHERE THIS MONEY FITS IN.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE REVENUE STREAMS. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE PILOT PAYMENT COMING FROM PARK VIEW AND KIND OF WHEN THOSE PROJECTS ARE FROM.
CAUSE IF I REMEMBER THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT OVER THE 15 YEARS, IT WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT $4 MILLION IN PILOT PAYMENTS, I THINK ROUGHLY.
SO I KNOW YOU SAID THEY KIND OF STARTED ABOUT 90, THEY STAGGERED, BUT OVER THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THAT 15 YEARS, THAT'S $4 MILLION OF REVENUE DIRECTLY INTO THE, INTO THE GENERAL FUND THAT CAN BE USED TO PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND, AND STREET DEPARTMENT PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, IF THOSE FIRST PAYMENTS COME IN STARTING NEXT YEAR, UH, I GUESS I JUST LOOK INTO WHAT THE ADVICE OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF IS ON WHEN, WHEN TO BUDGET FOR THESE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH STAFFING LEVELS? THEY ARE THIS YEAR, DO WE NEED TO, SO ARE WE ADDING FORWARD? DO WE WANT TO BE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT STAFFING AND THE, IN THE ISSUES OF STAFFING.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COME UP FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WE KNOW WE NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE, BUT THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE.
SO MAYBE SOMETIMES WE DON'T FILL OR WE GET TO THE NUMBER THAT'S STAFFED JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE BODIES MOVING IN AND OUT.
SO, UM, SO YOU, YOU AND YOU, WHAT WOULD BE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF WHEN WE BUDGET FOR IT, WHEN WE START HIRING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT FOUR NEW FIREFIGHTER EMS PEOPLE ONLINE AS YOU'VE REQUESTED FOR 2023.
RIGHT? SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL TAKE IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR'S APPROACH, UH, AND TELL YOU THAT THE WAY THAT I ENVISION THIS IS WE PROVIDE THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP AT THE DEPARTMENT AND DIVISION LEVEL, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEIR NEEDS ARE.
AND THAT, UH, MR. LYONS, I RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE AND HAVE BEEN A VERY VOCAL CHAMPION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND NOT TO SAY THAT MR. SHAW HAS ANY LESS VALUE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT HE'S BEEN A VERY VOCAL CHAMPION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE ARE LIMITED.
AND AS WE BEGIN TO HEAR WHAT THE NEEDS, THE PROJECTED NEEDS ARE, AS WE BEGIN TO EVALUATE WHAT THOSE REVENUES ARE.
AND AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR OUR REVENUE CONDITIONS, UM, IT WAS MY, IT WAS MY VISION THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE YOU ALL OF THE NECESSARY INFORMATION SO THAT YOU COULD BEGIN DEVELOPING WHAT YOU THOUGHT TO BE THE PRIORITY AND HOW WE SHOULD GO ABOUT STAFFING THESE DEPARTMENTS.
SO YOU MIGHT HEAR CHIEF, YOU'VE HEARD CHIEF NICELY SAY TONIGHT, HE NEEDS SEVEN PERSONNEL, OR HE'D LIKE SEVEN PERSONNEL IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
YOU MIGHT HEAR CHIEF, LIGHTENER TELL YOU IN THREE WEEKS, I DON'T NEED ANYBODY IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT I'M GOING TO NEED 10 BODIES IN 2030.
AND YOU MIGHT HEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. GRAY SAY, I NEED 50 PEOPLE YESTERDAY.
UH, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS A REASON FOR MAKING THAT REQUEST IN EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS A POLICY IMPACT WITH REGARD TO THE CITY.
I WOULD HOPE THAT COUNCIL COLLECTIVELY WILL TAKE THE INFORMATION WE'RE GOING TO OFFER OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND BEGIN TO DEBATE HOW THOSE WANTS AND NEEDS FORMULATE POLICY BASED ON THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE THESE ISSUES WITH REVENUE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE NEEDED.
WE THINK WE HAVE SOME IDENTIFIED REVENUE SOURCES, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED MORE.
UH, AND SO WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT THE TIME COUNCIL WILL TAKE TO DEBATE AND PRIORITIZE AND DEVELOP ITS PLAN WILL MIRROR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT
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COUNTS THAT STAFF WILL NEED TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE ITS OPTIONS.AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT PLAN TOGETHER THROUGH THIS BUDGET CYCLE, THROUGH THE START OF THE UPCOMING 2023 BUDGETS.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN BEGIN MAKING SOME HIRES THROUGH THE 2023 BUDGET CYCLE AND CONTINUE THOSE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AS WELL AS THE RESOURCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE THROUGH A VARIETY OF SOURCES THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO WORK TO IDENTIFY, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UH, SO DO I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO HIRE ANY POSITIONS IMMEDIATELY? NO.
IS THAT MY EXPECTATION THAT COUNCIL HIRE? NO.
HAVE I ADVISED THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIRECTORS THAT, UH, THEY SHOULD EXPECT THAT? NO, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, TO HELP YOU MAKE THE BEST CHOICES WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO DO I EXPECT THIS INFORMATION TO SIT ON THE SHELF, MR. LYONS AND NOT EVER BE USED? NO, I DON'T.
I DO EXPECT THIS INFORMATION TO BE UTILIZED.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHARING IT NOW IN, IN THE PUBLIC FORMAT.
UH, BUT IS IT GOING TO BE ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE IN THE IMMEDIATE? NO, IT IS NOT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT I, UH, I YIELD THAT DECISION TO COUNCIL WHO MAKES THE POLICY.
SO I THINK CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DECISION TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA CERTAINLY FOR DISCUSSION IS SO WE KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE STAFFING LEVELS ARE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS EVEN, YOU KNOW, LAST FALL ON KIND OF WHAT WE, WHERE WE SAW, UM, WHERE WE SAW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GO, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU, UH, THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR, THE LAST BUDGET SEASON.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK ALL OF US SUPPORT DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS YOU ALL ARE PUBLIC SERVICE, UM, IN EMS DEPARTMENTS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW AS WELL TO ME YET, AS, AS BRIAN HAD SAID, I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN A HUGE PROPONENT OF, OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE SAFETY AND, AND THE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR AWHILE.
SO IT CERTAINLY IS NOT ANY, ANY OF MY INTENTION, AS BRIAN SAID, TO PUT THIS ON THE SHELF.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW, AS BRIAN SAID, WELL, WHAT IS, WHAT IS FACING US? WHAT ARE THE HIRING DECISIONS THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW, UM, TO APPROPRIATE THE RIGHT MONEY IN THE RIGHT, IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
AND I THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY THE, THE RIGHT PLACE TO START.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS AS WELL, BUT KNOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, OF OUR EMS SERVICES TO EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AND, AND, AND ESPECIALLY TO YOU, ED, UH, THIS PRESENTATION NIGHT PUTS US IN A GOOD POSITION TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.
SO I THINK AS BRIAN SAID, HEALTHY DEBATE ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON FILLING ALL THESE POSITIONS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED BASED ON OUR GROWTH WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
MA'AM UH, AND BRIAN, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
I APPRECIATE, UM, THE COMMENTS AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL AS THE MAYOR ABOUT, I THINK EVERY MEMBER, UH, ON THIS DYESS HYDE, UH, HAS THE HIGHEST ESTEEM FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T THINK I'M ANY DIFFERENT IN THAT CATEGORY.
UH, CHIEF, ABOUT HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO HIRE A THREE, UH, ENTRY-LEVEL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.
AND, YOU KNOW, BRIAN HAD ACTUALLY ASKED ME THIS, THIS QUESTION WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE URGENCY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING IS, IS WE HAVE A CURRENT OPENING.
WE HAVE A PLANNED RETIREMENT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE MAY END UP WITH ANOTHER, AT LEAST ANOTHER RETIREMENT.
WE HAD 16 PEOPLE APPLY FOR A JOB.
UH, SO 16 PEOPLE ARE NOT FULLY QUALIFIED RATE TO START, BUT WE'LL GIVE THE TEST, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF HIRING AND US KIND OF PICKING UP AND DOING BACKGROUNDS.
I REALLY HOPE TO HAVE, UH, THE TWO BODIES THAT WE WILL BE HIRING FOR, FOR PLANNED OPENINGS.
UH, WE POSTED WHAT THE 1ST OF APRIL, HOPEFULLY THIRD WEEK OF JULY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD GET THOSE, THOSE BODIES ON.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I KNOW THE BUDGET IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS IT'S OUTSIDE OF MY REALM, BUT WHEN YOU ASK ME, HOW QUICK CAN YOU GET PEOPLE HIRED? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD ASK JOHN THIS AS WELL.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET OUR PLANNED HIRES IN THREE ADDITIONAL HIRED BEFORE DECEMBER, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ROUND OF STUDENTS, THE PARAMEDIC PROGRAMS GRADUATE MAINLY IN DECEMBER.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED.
SO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING OUR TESTS THAT ARE ON OUR TEST, THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE SITTING, WAITING, NOT ELIGIBLE TO GET HIRED UNTIL, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE END OF DECEMBER.
SO I THINK I CAN GET THREE ON BOARD.
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THIRD WEEK OF JULY BY AUGUST, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID, HEY, WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, GO AND DO THIS.I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD GET THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE, THE TWO TO THREE THAT WE'RE PLANNING RIGHT NOW AND AN ADDITIONAL FOUR HIRED IN THAT TIME PERIOD AND ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE HAVE PROMOTIONAL TESTING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE.
AND A LOT OF THINGS, PROMOTIONAL TESTING, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
SO THE NORMAL PROCESS WOULD BE THAT.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO FORWARD, THAT IT'D BE A LITTLE FASTER THAN DECEMBER, UM, I'VE HEARD.
AND THE MAYOR WAS CORRECT AGAIN IN SAYING THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, THE LAST, THE FIRST TIME I BROUGHT THIS UP IN NOVEMBER, WE WERE SHORT, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND THAT'S THROUGH THE HIRING PROCESS.
THIS WAS NOVEMBER TWO YEARS AGO.
AND I BELIEVE, AND, UH, AMAZINGLY WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP IN NOVEMBER, BY FEBRUARY, WE WERE FILLED WITH MAYBE ONE FIREFIGHTER LEFT A MONTH OR TWO LATER TO GO.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING IF WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE.
AND I ALSO DID HEAR THAT, UM, IT'S HARD TO HIRE FIREFIGHTERS AND, UM, COUNCILWOMAN BAKER HAD A BRILLIANT IDEA ABOUT STARTING OUR OWN FIREFIGHTER PROGRAM IN OUR CITY.
WE DO OUR OWN TRAINING, OR AT LEAST WE HIRE PEOPLE TO HAVE THEM TRAINED AS FIREFIGHTERS, AND THAT HASN'T REALLY GROWN ANY LEGS, BUT I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THAT.
I WISH I HAD COME UP WITH THAT IDEA MYSELF, BUT I GIVE IT, UH, I GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT BELONGS.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT BRIAN AND THE MAYOR SAID THAT I THINK EVERYONE UP HERE IS A STRONG SUPPORTER, BUT USUALLY I THINK IT'S ABOUT FOUR MONTHS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT, UH, MAYOR, UM, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S, UH, HIS, UH, PROWESS IN THE ECONOMIC INDUSTRY AND FINANCE IS SECOND TO NONE THAT I'VE EVER COME IN CONTACT WITH.
AND, UH, HE'S JUST BRILLIANT WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID TONIGHT.
UH, WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ON THE DAYAS LAST TIME, UM, HE ASKED ME AGAIN, HE CHALLENGES ME AND IT REALLY HELPS ME OUT.
UH, HE SAID, WHERE WAS I GOING TO GET MY REVENUE STREAM? AND I JUST MENTIONED THE GENERAL FUND.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALKED TO COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL ON HIS LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT MY LEVEL.
SO I DID DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK BECAUSE IT WAS COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, UH, ISSUE 19, THE LEVY THAT WAS PASSED, UH, WE COLLECTED IN 2015, $1,758,671.
SAY THAT AGAIN, 1 MILLION 7, 5, 8, 6, 7 1 I BELIEVE WAS THE CORRECT NUMBER.
I WROTE THAT DOWN IN MY HANDWRITING IS CHICKEN SCRATCH.
SO THESE RIGHTS, THESE WERE EXTRA, EXTRA DOLLARS FROM THE WELL THAT'S WHERE WE COLLECTED IN 2015 FOR ISSUE 19 ISSUE $1,798, SIX HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE, SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY $1.
SO 1.7, ALMOST 1.8 MILLION IN 2020, WE COLLECTED 2 MILLION, $187,628.
SO THAT'S AN INCREASE FROM 2015 TO 20 OF $388,957.
SO WHEN I SAID, I GOT MY REVENUE STREAM FROM THE GENERAL FUND, I'M GOING INTO MORE DETAIL BECAUSE THAT'S ISSUE 19 MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN OF COURSE IS DOLED OUT INTO THE, UM, BUDGET.
BECAUSE OF TAX REVENUES REQUIRED THAT, UH, NOW THESE ARE NOT MY FIGURES.
UH, YOU HAD AN EMAIL IN DECEMBER.
I GOT THESE NUMBERS FROM TONY ROGERS.
TONY, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT EMAIL? OKAY.
NOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW TALKING ABOUT TONY BECAUSE HE'S INCREDIBLE LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, THESE NUMBERS, WHERE DID YOU GET THESE NUMBERS? WHEN I ASKED HIM FROM YOU, UH, FROM DEPARTMENT STAFF, THE DEPARTMENT STAFF.
UH, SO WITH 388,000, UH, AS AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM FROM 20 15, 20 20, AND THE INCREASE, UH, THAT WOULD MORE THAN COVER THREE ENTRY-LEVEL FIREFIGHTERS, UM, AT $80,000 ENOUGH, THEIR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, I'D BE $11,000 SHORT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO WRITE A CHECK PERSONALLY
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FOR THAT.HOWEVER, I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF BUDGETING FROM OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, JIM BELL, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS UNTIL IF WE START TODAY, IT WON'T BE TILL AUGUST AND THAT'S LESS THAN HALF A BUDGET YEAR.
SO THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS NOW CUT DOWN TO ABOUT 50,000 PER FIREFIGHTER.
SO FOR THIS YEAR, WE'D ONLY REALLY NEED, IF WE'RE GOING THREE FIREFIGHTERS, 150,200,000 WOULD COVER ALL FOUR, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATOR THAT WOULD BE ABOUT RIGHT.
AND THEN IF THEY BEGIN IN AUGUST, AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS 388,000 IN ISSUE 19.
SO THAT'S MORE THAN COVERING WITH PLENTY LEFTOVER THEORETICALLY.
SO MAYOR, THIS IS THE REVENUE STREAM I HAD IN ENVISION.
I'M OPEN TO THREE OR FOUR, UH, FIREFIGHTERS WITH ONE BEING AN ADMINISTRATOR, WHATEVER COUNCILS WILL IS, UH, I CERTAINLY WILL SUPPORT COUNCIL WOMAN'S BAKER, UH, COUNCIL ONE BAKER'S INITIATIVE FOR STARTING OUR OWN TRAINING FOR FIREFIGHTERS.
BUT IT'S MY SUGGESTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON MONDAY TO HIRE AN ADDITIONAL THREE OR FOUR FIREFIGHTERS PUTTING THIS MONEY INTO THE FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL AND GETTING THIS, MOVING ON THAT THAT'S ONE COUNCIL WOMAN, THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS SEE I'M SO JEALOUS.
IF IT WAS MY IDEA, THAT'S FINE.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY, BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE AND, UH, I'LL HAVE TO BOW TO THE WILL OF COUNCIL.
OF COURSE, WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION BEFORE, BUT I WAS ASKED TO FIND A REVENUE STREAM.
I THINK COUNCIL COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S, UH, VICE MAYOR.
CAMPBELL'S, UH, NUMBERS ARE GREAT FOR NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THEY'RE GREAT FOR ANY TIME, THE LAST 30 YEARS.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME COUNCIL, CHIEF, TONY AND JIM.
UM, I MEAN, SO THIS REALLY WOULD JUST BE OPEN FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION TO DECIDE HOW YOU, HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, WHEN IS, WHEN IS ISSUE IN 19, IS THAT RENEWAL GOING TO BE COME BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK UP AROUND SOON TOO.
SO I THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE WANTS TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE MAKE A DECISION TO HIRE PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE TO TURN ON AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY IT.
SO ISSUE 19 IS A, I MEAN, THAT IS COMING BACK UP AROUND AT THE END OF 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 24.
I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS 24, 25, 20 25.
SO 2024, THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN 2025 AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN 2025.
SO YEAH, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT CAN ARGUE THE FACT, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS WE'VE COLLECTED.
IF THAT'S THE NUMBER AN EXTRA $388,000 THROUGH THAT THROUGH ISSUE 19 FROM THE TIME IT STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW IN TERMS OF, UM, AND I DIDN'T CATCH, WHAT WAS THAT CUMULATIVE DOLLARS OR WAS THAT A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT MORE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 300.
YEAH, THE THREE I DIDN'T CATCH WAS THAT CUMULATIVE DOLLARS OVER THOSE YEARS, OR ISN'T SPECIFICALLY 388,030 9,000 IN REVENUE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO IT'S KIDS, IT'S CUMULATIVE DOLLARS OVER THOSE OVER THAT IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF CUMULATIVE WOULD BE, IT ADDS UP YEAR TO YEAR.
SO, NO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2015 AND 2020 NUMBERS WOULD BE 388,000.
SO IT'S MUCH MORE CUMULATIVE OVER THOSE LAST NINE YEARS THEN.
I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO AGREE TO ACCUMULATIVE WHEN I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T TEACH MATH, BUT IT, BUT, BUT IN 2020 WE HAD $388,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE COLLECTED IN 2015.
SO IN 2021, IF OUR TAX REVENUES MAINTAIN, IT'LL BE 388,000 AGAIN, THAT YEAR YEARS.
AND THEN OF COURSE IT'S A LEVY BASED ON INCOME, RIGHT? SO IF THE CITY GROWS AND WE GET INCOME, WE GO THROUGH A BOOM, IT'LL BE MORE SURE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT BECAUSE IF WE HIT INTO ANOTHER RECESSION, WHICH HISTORY SHOWS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE WILL HIT ANOTHER RECESSION AND THOSE NUMBERS WILL GO DOWN.
MY QUESTION WAS, WAS JUST, THAT WAS THAT 3 88.
WERE YOU ADDING 20 15, 16, 17, 18 TICKETS THAT NUMBER? NO.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CUMULATIVE THAT'S YES.
SO I KNEW WHERE THAT MIGHT QUESTION, BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT'S CUMULATIVE AND THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT A $300,000 EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND IT NEEDS TO, TO BE A REVENUE STREAM, I JUST WANTED
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TO CLARIFY NO PROBLEM AT ALL.SO MARK JIM BELL, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE TEXT THAT ED IS TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT A PORTION OF OUR INCOME TAX? YES.
I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS AND I, I DON'T RECALL THE SPECIFICS OF ANSWERING THAT PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, BUT IT WAS RELATED TO OUR TOTAL INCOME TAXES.
THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT EXPIRES IN 10 YEARS IS A INCOME TAX ISSUE.
IT'S NOT A PROPERTY TAX ISSUE.
AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL RENT, THE, THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF INCOME THAT EXPIRES AFTER 10 YEARS? WELL, IT WOULD BE A 0.2, 5% OF OUR 2.2, 5% INCOME TAX CURRENT RATE.
AND THAT 0.2, FIVE TOTALS ADD ABOUT 300 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT FROM 2015, SORRY, 20 15, 20, 20.
IT WAS LESS EACH YEAR INCREMENTALLY, BUT YES, THAT'S, I BELIEVE I'M AGREEING TO SOMETHING.
SO, SO WHAT'S CONFUSING IS YOU SAY 2015, THEN YOU SAY 20, 20, IS IT 300,000 MORE EACH YEAR? OVER THE YEAR BEFORE, WHEREAS IN A CUMULATIVE 300,000, BETWEEN 15 AND 20.
THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND.
NOW I'M UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH WHAT MAYOR GORDON MEANT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT GREW EACH YEAR, 300,000 TO UP TO 388,000.
IT DIDN'T START THAT IN 2016, IT JUST IT'S BEEN GROWING INCREMENTALLY EACH YEAR.
SO IT'S NOW UP TO 388,000 IN 2020.
SO AS WE GET OUR TAX RETURNS BACK IN 2021, WE'LL KNOW WHAT IT IS THEN.
SO SUCH AN ANNUAL INCREASE, NOT A CUMULATIVE INCREASE TO GET.
HOW DOES THAT BREAK DOWN? SO LET'S SAY THAT WE BRING IN 1,000,008 ONE YEAR OFF THAT 0.25.
HOW, HOW HAS THAT DIVVIED UP A PORTION OF THAT GOES BACK TO ADMINISTRATION? WELL, IT'S DIVIDED UP INTO SIX BUCKETS, UM, GENERAL FUND, UM, THE, UM, POLICE FUND FIRE FUND, UH, LOCAL STREET OPERATING LOCAL STREET CAPITAL, AND THEN THE FIRE CAPITAL.
SO WHAT PERCENTAGE GOES TO THE FIRE OF THAT EXTRA 300,000? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, UM, BUT, UM, MAYBE 25% OF THAT CUMULATIVE TOTAL, I'D LIKE TO CHECK THOSE NUMBERS BEFORE I GIVE THEM OUT IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO, SO LET'S, LET'S SAY IT'S 30% AND OUR INCREASES 300,000, THEN WHAT GOES TO FIRES ABOUT $90,000 ADDITIONAL FROM ONE YEAR OVER THE NEXT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO IS BASED ON THE INCREASE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT INCREASE GOES TO FIRE.
SO THEN WE COULD TELL PRECISELY WHAT, IN ADDITION, THE FIRE DIVISION HAS BEEN PERCEIVING BASED ON THE INCOME TAX COLLECTIONS, OBVIOUSLY BEING UP.
AND THEN MAYBE YOU COULD TELL ME WHEN THE INCOME TAX COLLECTIONS ARE GOING TO GO BACK DOWN WHEN, WHEN THE RECESSION IS, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT.
I DID A QUICK CALCULATION HERE THAT, UM, WHEN THE, IF THE LEVEES WERE TO NOT RENEW, UM, IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, NORTH OF $2 MILLION THAT WE WOULD LOSE ON TO 20, 24 AND 2025.
MY, I COULD GET YOU EXACT NUMBERS BEFORE THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN $2 MILLION FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
I'D LIKE TO THANK CHIEF NICELY FOR, I LOVE DATA, LOVE THIS.
I KNOW YOU TOLD US YOU'D COME BACK AND HAVE A TALK WITH US.
AND I APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE IT DOES LAY OUT A CASE, OUR POPULATION WE KNEW AFTER THE CENSUS, OUR POPULATION GREW AND TO SEE THE CALLS INCREASE.
IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER IN A FORMAT THAT'S EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND I DO, I DO CONCUR WITH MARK CAMPBELL AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WOULD, I WOULD APPROVE, I COULD GO ALONG WITH INCREASING OUR STAFF.
AND YOUR CHIEF BATTALION AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT CAME TONIGHT.
AND I THINK AGAIN, JUST KIND OF, TO BE CLEAR, I THINK ALL OF US SUPPORT INCREASING OUR STAFFING LEVELS TO MATCH WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS ARE.
I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY TIMING, RIGHT? SO BIG BECAUSE THE TIMING IS REALLY WHAT MATTERS.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE FIT THE REQUESTS INTO OUR BUDGET CYCLE RELATIVE TO WHEN WE KNOW REVENUE, RESOURCES AND REVENUE STREAMS ARE GOING TO TAKE EFFECT AND INCREASE THE COVER, WHAT THESE INCREASED COSTS ARE, BECAUSE AGAIN, W W WITH, WITH $4 MILLION OR THE LEVEES
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RENEWALS ON THE BALLOT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.UM, BUT WE, WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF, EVEN IF THAT DOES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HIRE PEOPLE AND THEN SAY, SORRY, WE, AGAIN, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP YOU ON THE PAYROLL.
UM, SO I THINK IT ALL DOES JUST KIND OF COME DOWN TO TIMING AND NOTE, IF THERE'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, FIRE CAPITAL FUND THAT COMES OUT OF THOSE OUT OF ISSUE $19, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BASICALLY BE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING PRESENTATIONS FROM, AS BRIAN CALLED THEM THE BIG THREE THAT ARE COVERED, UH, IN ISSUE $19 WITH, UH, OTHER THAN IF YOU TAKE THE GENERAL FUND OUT OF THERE WITH POLICE FIRE STREET, OPERATING STREET, CAPITOL FIRE CAPITAL, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR WHAT KIND OF THE NEEDS AND THE REQUESTS ARE FROM ALL THOSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT MONEY.
SO I THINK, I MEAN, I SUPPORT RYAN AND WHAT HE SAID IN TERMS OF SEEING WHAT ALL THESE REQUESTS ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE REQUESTS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'VE GOT MONEY SET ASIDE IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, OUT OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND TO, TO BUILD A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A FACILITY LIKE THAT OR NOT HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO PUT IN IT, UM, AND EQUIPMENT.
WE KNOW IF WE, IF WE LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS, UM, WE EVEN DID OUR TRAFFIC TOWN HALL, CHIEF, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION TO FOCUS ON THAT.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS TO BE BETWEEN EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES THAT I GET EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, PEOPLE DRIVING UP AND DOWN SPEEDS ON THIS STREET, THIS STREET, THIS STREET, HERE'S THIS KIND OF CAR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DATA WITH THOSE KINDS OF MESSAGES AND WE PASS THOSE ON, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE SPEND THOSE RESOURCES? AND EVERY TIME I TRY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK WELL, GO BACK AND WATCH THIS VIDEO.
CAUSE WE GOT A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION ON HOW THE DIFFERENT BEATS WORK AND HOW WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE OUR COPS AROUND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THIS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT RESOURCES AND IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE REQUESTS ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE WE START AGREEING TO SPEND DOLLARS THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A SMART MOVE TO ME, SORT OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU'RE POSITIONED AT AND TALKING ABOUT THIS EXTRA MONEY.
BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY NOT BEING ABLE TO SET SOMETHING IN STONE TO WILLY'S HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.
UH, THE MR. CAMPBELL ASKS ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY OF ISSUE $19 ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE, TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
EVEN HAVE A BASELINE OF WHAT THE EXTRA EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE, BUT I'M, I'M ALSO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS ANY LONGER THAN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, UH, UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY THE DOLLARS WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND AND WHAT THE NEEDS OF, OF THE OTHER BIG THREE DEPARTMENTS.
WELL, YOU HAVE THE BIG TWO NOW WHAT THE OTHER TWO DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO NEED AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE PRESENTATIONS COME VERY, VERY SOON.
AND THANK YOU, MAYOR JIM WE'LL GET TO, UM, REGARDING COUNSELING OR A VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL'S COMMENTS, UH, WHEN ISSUE 19 WAS PASSED, IT'S DIRECTED BY THE VOTERS, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT HAS TO GO TO POLICE AND FIRE, CORRECT.
YOU CAN'T GO TO A PUBLIC WORKS AND STREETS, THE, UM, THE LEVY TO PUT BACK ON THE 0.2, 5%, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S RETIRING OR UP FOR RENEWAL IN 2024.
THAT WAS 50% POLICE AND 50% FIRE OF THAT PORCH.
AND SO, AND THE MONEY GOES TO POLICE AND FIRE ONLY CAN'T GO TO ANYTHING ELSE BY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, RIGHT.
AND WHO DECIDES THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE, A PERCENTAGE GO TO POLICE AND FIRE? IS THAT THE LEVY OR IS THAT THE CITY THAT, UM, WELL WE TOLD THE VOTERS THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR POLICE AND FIRE.
AND SO, UM, WHEN I BROUGHT THAT TO COUNCIL AT THE BUDGET, RIGHT AFTER THAT PASSED, I SAID IT WOULD BE 50% TO POLICE, 50% OF FIRE.
AND THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.
AND WHAT'S VOTED ON BY THE VOTERS.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE 50 50 BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT SET.
IT JUST SAID THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE SO THAT THERE'S NO NUMBER, UH, EXACT NUMBER THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS NOW.
SO THEN THAT NUMBER SET BY COUNCIL YES.
MAYOR THAT NUMBER SET BY COUNCIL.
SO COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
BUT I THINK, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST IT YET.
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JUST THINK WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM, WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE STREET DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YET EITHER.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO APPROPRIATE THOSE DOLLARS, BUT WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YET.
I AGREE WITH YOUR MAYOR GORE AND BRIAN, I THINK UNTIL WE HEAR FROM EVERYBODY AND KNOW WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE, I'M ALL FOR SAFETY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD VOTE, NO, I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHERS BECAUSE POLICE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AT FIRST STREETS ARE ALL RIPPED UP AND YOUR EQUIPMENT'S BREAKING DOWN, GOING ON THESE ROADS, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE MONEY FOR THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DECISION.
AND ALSO WITH THAT, SINCE WE HAVE LOVIES BACK TO BACK YEARS, INFLATION HAS MAJORLY INCREASED, WHICH AFFECTS FAMILIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAN WE AS COUNCIL POSSIBLY GO FOR THAT 20, 24 LOVEY, MAYBE IN 2023.
SO IF IT TO TACK ON AT THE END, SO IF IT WOULD FAIL IN 2023, WE CAN GO TO 20, 24 WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY AFFECTING OUR LEVELS.
I WOULD BE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT.
WE DID AT MONTGOMERY COUNTY WHEN I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY WITH HUMAN SERVICE LEVIES, BECAUSE THE THOUGHT OF FEELING LOVEY AND THAT MONEY NOT BEING THERE WOULD BE TREMENDOUS TO FAMILIES.
SO OFTENTIMES WE MOVED THE LOVEY UP A YEAR, KNOWING WE HAD A YEAR CUSHION IN CASE THE LOVIE WOULD FAIL.
SO I WAS WANTING TO PROPOSE THAT AS WELL.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, IF THE LEVY PASSES, WE KNOW WE'RE GOOD FOR THESE OTHER POSITIONS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MEAN I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE ENLIST.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT LEVY FATIGUE WITH PEOPLE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IF THAT CAN BE DONE THEN, UM, YEAH, I MEAN THAT $4 MILLION TOTAL MONEY IS A, IS A HUGE IMPACT TO THE OVERALL BUDGET.
SO THE SOONER WE KNOW THAT WE COULD SHORE UP THAT MONEY OF THE CLEARLY THE BETTER.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, AROUND THAT.
AND OUR CONCEPT FROM THE STAFF LEVEL WAS TO LOOK AT ENGAGING AND, UH, ACCOMPANIED TO HELP US UNDERSTAND LATE THIS YEAR, UH, WHAT A GOOD STRATEGY MIGHT BE SO THAT WE COULD PROGRAM FOR THE EXACT PURPOSE OF GOING OUT IN 2023 TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD VALID DATA TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GUARANTEE THAT THAT LEVY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US.
THE SUCCESS OF THAT LEVY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO THAT'S ALREADY ON OUR MINDS WITH RESPECT TO PLANNING AND HAVING A STRATEGY TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE REVENUE SOURCES.
UH, CHIEF NICELY, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE? WELL, WE'VE BEEN, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS PROBABLY IN, I THINK I HAD A TINY SHEET BOMBED.
WE STARTED DOING SOME REPORTS IN AUGUST IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED DOING A MONTHLY, UH, TRACKING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT, UH, OFF AND ON SINCE OCTOBER.
UH, LIKE, SO WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH OUR COMMAND STAFF.
UH, WE'VE MET WITH, UH, MARK KHAN WITH THE UNION.
SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IS THERE A REASON YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BEFORE US BEFORE NOW AND ASKED FOR TWO OR THREE FIREFIGHTERS? NO.
I MEAN, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE BIGGEST THING WAS IS THAT WHAT WE WERE SEEING LAST YEAR, WE ARE STILL RESPONDING TO THE CALLS AND WHAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT WAS IS THE WHOLE COVID ISSUE AND THAT ANOMALY.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING IT FOR MONTHS.
AND AS I SAID LAST YEAR IS THAT I WAS REALLY GOING TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, TALKING TO MR. WAKOWSKI.
I SAID, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT I BELIEVE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE PROCESS ALONG.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, UH, I GET, UH, I GET A MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT TRACK DIFFERENT THINGS AND A WEE BIT REALLY BEEN WATCHING.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRENDING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO INCREASE.
SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS COULD BOTTOM OUT.
WE COULD END UP HAVING 3000 LESS CALLS IN THE, IN THE REST OF THE YEAR, BUT RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE TRACKING THAT WE CAN DO AND THE PREDICTING THE UNPREDICTABLE, UH, I HAVE FELT VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE NEED TO START AND START THE PROCESS NOW.
AND IF THINGS DID BOTTOM OUT, YOU MIGHT MODIFY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SEVEN, RIGHT.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T SAY WE DIDN'T NEED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
I MEAN, IF WE MAINTAIN, IF WE MAINTAIN THE CALL AMOUNT THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, KNOWING THAT THERE'S HIGHS AND LOWS.
I WOULD STILL ASK FOR SOME, BUT RIGHT NOW THE SEVEN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND I'M WANTING TO USE THIS TERM
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ALL NIGHT, BUT THE BIG THREE WITH W WHEN ARE THE NEXT TWO GOING TO BE BEFORE COUNCIL TO ED'S POINT.SO WE CAN GET A CALENDAR OF WHEN WE CAN MOVE ON THIS, THE DATES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ELUDE ME, BUT THE THOUGHT WAS, UH, THERE WOULD BE ONE PRESENTATION AT THE END OF MAY, UH, THAT, UH, THAT LAST WORK SESSION IN MAY, AND THEN THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE, WHICH SHOULD CORRELATE TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND THE INTRODUCTION OF THE TAX BUDGET.
UH, SO WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST UNDERSTANDING, UM, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST GLIMPSE OF THE NUMBERS UP ABOUT THE SAME TIME YOU'LL HAVE HEARD FROM THE BIG THREE.
AND THEN RICHARD, IF I COULD ASK YOU A QUESTION, YOU'VE ADVOCATED, A STREETS FACILITY, A NEW STREETS FACILITY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HOPE YOU SEE IN THE 2023 BUDGET? I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, SIR, I, I HOPED I SEEN IT IN THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND BRIAN T TO YOUR POINT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING AND NOT STAFF IT.
SO WILL THAT BE A PRESENTATION WHEN MR. GRAY COMES TO US HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO HE HAS A FULL PLAN.
WE HAVE FALLEN A LITTLE BEHIND, BASED ON THE, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
WE FALLEN A LITTLE BEHIND ON OUR QUEST TO IDENTIFY A FINAL SITE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, BUT I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT EXPENSE IN THE 2023 BUDGET.
SO WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET, UH, FOR 2023.
SO WHEN MR. LIGHTENER COMES IN AND GIVES HIS PRESENTATION, AND MR. GREG GIVES HIS PRESENTATION, IT WOULD INCLUDE AN EVALUATION OF POLICE OFFICERS AND MR. GRAY'S POSITION, UH, PEOPLE IN A FACILITY.
AS I LOOK FORWARD THAT, THANKS, MAN.
I HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE SPIN TO EVERYTHING, MAYBE TO GET SOME MORE REVENUE AND TALKING WHEN KATE THE BAKER AND I WENT AND DID OUR, UM, TOURS OF EVERYTHING FOR COUNCIL TRAINING, THE TAX DIVISION SAID THAT WHEN THEY HIRED THEIR LAST EMPLOYEE, THEY WERE ABLE TO GO AFTER PAST TAXES OF $1 MILLION AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE MORE PERSON THAT THEY HIRE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY COULD GO AFTER A MILLION MORE DOLLARS THAT'S OWED IN BACK TAXES.
AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
ARE WE JIM FOR A PERSON AT THE TAX DIVISION FOR THAT SPECIFIC, THAT WOULD BE ONE PERSON THAT WE COULD HIRE AT A LOWER RATE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GET US A MILLION MORE DOLLARS TO FUND THESE EXTRA POSITIONS.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
DO WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN THE CURRENT PLAN FOR STAFFING CORRECTLY? SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO NOT DO WE COLLECT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS, BUT WHAT WE DO NOT DO, BUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS CHARGE THE EXPENSE OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT IN THE 2022 BUDGET, WE INCLUDED THAT EXPENSE OR THAT REVENUE STREAM FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT CHARGED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO THIS BATCH OF ASSESSMENTS THAT WE'LL GO OUT FOR, UM, WHAT IS CALENDAR YEAR 2022 TAX YEAR 2021 WILL INCLUDE THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO GO AS HIGH AS, AS AT 5% UNDER THE STATUTE, JIM, UH, THE LEAD THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I THINK OUR, UH, ASSESSMENT THIS YEAR WAS 3% IS WHAT WE PUT ON THE BOW, UH, WHAT WE PUT ON THE ASSESSMENT ROLE.
AND WE DID INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET AND ADDITIONAL PERSON IN THE TAX OFFICE FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UM, TRACKING DOWN ADDITIONAL DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS, UH, AND, UH, DEALING WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF INCREASED ACCOUNTS, RIGHT? SO FOR EVERY CITIZEN WE'VE ADDED OVER TIME, WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL COUNT AND THINK ABOUT THE TRANSIENT NEWNESS OF, UH, WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE.
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ARE NUMBER ONE, TAXPAYER.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE AND WE NEED TO BRING IN A STAFF PERSON TO DO THAT.
SO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, WE'VE AMENDED THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.
AND, UH, UM, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THAT POSITION OUT TO FALL IN THE HIRING QUEUE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ASSESSMENT'S POSITION AS WELL.
THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER, UH, AUDITOR POSITION WITHIN THE FINANCE DIVISION.
UH, THE PURPOSE AGAIN OF WHICH IS TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADEQUATELY COLLECTING AND PROCESSING ALL OF THE ASSESSMENTS AND OTHER, UM, BILLABLES THAT WE SENT OUT AS AN ORGANIZATION AND THE FUNDING SOURCE TO THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT ASSESSMENT, THAT ASSESSMENT FEE, THAT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
SO WE SAW THAT KIND OF AS LOW FEE, LOW HANGING FRUIT, UM, HOPEFULLY AT 3% IT WILL PROVIDE THE RESOURCES.
WE NEED TO ALSO SHIFT OUT OF FINANCE REVENUES FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE MIGHT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO DIVERT TO POLICE FIRE OR PUBLIC SERVICE.
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SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE.UH, WE ALSO DID INCLUDE, UM, WITHIN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, A POSITION IN PUBLIC WORKS TO BE FUNDED BY ASSESSMENTS.
UH, THAT IS A PROVISION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO UNDER THE LAW AND THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE WESTPORT VILLAGE PROJECT.
UH, SO WE'VE STALLED, WE'VE STALLED INTENTIONALLY TO HIRE THAT PUBLIC WORKS PERSON AND TO HIRE, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE AUDIT POSITION JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MONEY THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S A REVENUE THAT'S REALIZED A YEAR BEHIND.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THOSE RESOURCES IN THE BEST PRODUCTIVE WAY POSSIBLE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AVENUES, WE ARE MAKING THOSE ADS.
WE DO EXPECT TO SEE A BENEFIT TO OUR PERSON OVER IN TAX.
UH, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AS AN ORGANIZATION.
UM, WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT BUT EFFECTIVE, UH, HUMAN RESOURCE DIVISION, AND THAT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE EFFICIENT AND THEY'RE EFFECTIVE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE CYCLING OUT THREE FIREFIGHTERS AND WE'VE GOT FOUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE COMING AND GOING THROUGH RETIREMENTS, THOSE OBVIOUSLY TAKE PRECEDENT POSITION, YOU KNOW, PRECEDENT, HIRING, UM, OVER OTHER POSITIONS IN THE ORGANIZATION.
SO SOME OF THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER POSITIONS WE NEED AND WE WANT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL AS TIMELY AS WE WOULD LIKE.
SO WE'RE WORKING TO GET THERE.
UM, BRIAN, CAN WE GET A, UH, A CHART THAT SHOWS US THE AMOUNT THAT, UH, THEY HAVE RECOUPS OR THE AUDITS OVER SAY THE LAST THREE, FOUR YEARS HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE TREND IS.
AND, AND IF THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH IT'S GOING TO LEVEL OUT OR START GOING DOWN BASED ON PROJECTIONS? UH, YEAH, SO I MEAN, UH, THE, THE MONEY IS NOT FINITE.
THERE'S X AMOUNT, THAT'S OUTSTANDING AND THERE'S WHY THAT'S COLLECTED.
AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE Z, WHICH IS ADULTHOOD THAT WILL GO UNCOLLECTED, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE TAX ADMINISTRATOR, IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE, IT IS EASILY CREATABLE.
I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, CHIEF, NICELY.
UM, WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE TUITION OF A FIREFIGHTER AND, OR LIKE AN, A PARAMEDIC ROUND NUMBERS, QUOTE LIKE SIX THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND EACH OR 7,000 TOTAL BUNDLE.
OH FOUR FOR THE POSITION, FOR ALL THE TRAINING FOR A FIREFIGHTER TO GO THROUGH FIREFIGHTER SCHOOL.
HOW MUCH HAS THAT TUITION JUST, WELL, WE, WE HIRE A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, WHICH IS 21 MONTHS OF TRAINING.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD HIRE, I KIND OF EQUATE THIS RIGHT NOW TO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HIRING FIREFIGHTERS AND SENDING THEM TO SCHOOL, THIS WOULD BE LIKE US GOING TO WRIGHT, STATE FINDING SOPHOMORES AND SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE A GREAT STUDENT.
WE'RE GOING TO HIRE YOU TO BE A TEACHER AT WAYNE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR SCHOOL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR MODEL HAS BEEN BECAUSE WE ARE STILL, WHILE THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN, WE ARE STILL SUCCESSFUL IN HIRING FULLY TRAINED PEOPLE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF, I THINK I WOULD SAY OUR SECRETS TO OUR SUCCESS IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE QUALIFIED PEOPLE, BUT WE THINK THE TUITION, FIREFIGHTER, EMT AND PARAMEDIC THROUGH SINCLAIR, WE, WE WERE TALKING TO A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.
WE'VE WE'VE BEEN GOING TO A BUSINESS CLASS.
I THINK IT WAS A BUSINESS CLASS.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE WE, WE QUOTED SIX, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AROUND $6,000 IS THE TUITION, UH, WHERE IT GETS MORE COMPLEX IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU HIRE THESE PEOPLE AND THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING THE PARAMEDIC CLASSES ABOUT 1400 HOURS, THERE'S CLINICAL TIME THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HIRED THEM AND SENT THEM TO TRAINING, WE WOULD BE PAYING THEM AND PAYING THEM OVERTIME TO GO TO CLINICAL HOURS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS A LOT OF TIME IN GETTING THOSE UNTRAINED PERSONNEL.
I, I WILL JUST GO BACK TO MY IDEA LAST YEAR WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE TRACK, BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEFICIENCY OF FIREMAN.
IF WE COULD GET SOMEONE COMMITTED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND GIVE THEM A TUITION AND THEN SOMEONE HALFWAY THROUGH AND GIVE US RUSSIA AND THEY HIRE THEM AND WE WIPE OUT THEIR DEBT, I DO THINK THAT'S A BATH AND IT WOULD MAKE US A VERY ATTRACTIVE CITY.
SO ONE LAST, SO JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HOW, HOW THIS KIND OF PLAYS OUT.
SO WE KNOW, SO YOUR NUMBER OR THE REQUEST, UH, WAS A SEVEN, SO FOUR AND 2023.
SO WHEN, SO IT'S EASY TO SAY FOUR AND 20, 23 AND THREE AND 20, 24.
BUT WHAT DOES THE HIRING PROCESS, WHEN DOES THAT START? WHEN DO YOU SEE, I MEAN, SO ARE YOU SAYING 2024, JANUARY 1ST, 2023, I'M SORRY.
YOU WENT FOR FIREFIGHTERS ON STAFF OR ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HIRE FOR OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR OR YOU WANT TO HIRE, YOU WANT TO HIRE FOR ON JANUARY ONE, HAVE THEM COMPLETE ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN START 120 DAYS LATER.
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OKAY.MAYBE THAT'LL HELP THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
REALLY UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY'RE ONBOARDED, WHEN THEY START, WHEN THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE READILY AVAILABLE TO START PAYING THEM OUT THE BUDGET.
SO ONE OF, ONE OF OUR THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT NUMBER.
WE, THE 16 APPLICANTS WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT AREN'T SET TO GRADUATE UNTIL DECEMBER.
SO WE LOOK AT THIS AS ADDING THESE POSITIONS IN JANUARY, WHENEVER WE WOULD GET THE GREEN LIGHT AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD SAY, GO FOR IT, WE WOULD START.
IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE ALL FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE.
AT THE SAME TIME WE ONBOARD THEM.
WE DO KIND OF LIKE A MINI LITTLE RECRUIT ORIENTATION.
IT TAKES LESS OF OUR PERSONNEL IS TIME BECAUSE WE'RE TRAINING FOR PEOPLE, UH, FOR AN ORIENTATION ALL AT THAT SAME TIME.
BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE APPEALING THINGS OF THIS PROCESS.
WHEN WE DO A LIST WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED AND BRIAN, I KNOW KATIE CAN QUOTE IT.
BRIAN PROBABLY CAN QUOTE IT TOO.
WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CERTIFY SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE LIST AND IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK WE'RE WITHIN, I THINK WE CAN CERTIFY ALL 16 PEOPLE.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS GO DO BACKGROUNDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
ONE OF THE APPEALING THINGS IS, IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME VERY GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING OUR TEST.
THEY'RE JUST NOT CERTIFIED TO START.
AND THEY WOULD BE CERTIFIED IN DECEMBER.
SO IF WE WERE GREENLIGHT IN JANUARY, OUR GOAL WOULD BE AS TO GET THE WHEELS SPINNING AND BRING THEM ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE EXHAUST THE CURRENT HIRING LIST THAT SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED.
UH, SECOND WEEK OF MAY, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'LL SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN OFF ON.
UH, WE WOULD EXHAUST THAT LIST.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE RUN INTO CANDIDATES WHO HAVE BAD BACKGROUNDS AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HIRING IN THE PAST.
WE GOT THREE PEOPLE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE LAST YEAR, AND ONE COULDN'T PASS HER PARAMEDIC TEST ONE PERSON FAILED A POST OFFER TEST, AND THE OTHER PERSON DECIDED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE WOULD EXHAUST THE CURRENT LIST IF WE WERE TO ADD FOUR PEOPLE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO START ANOTHER PROCESS, BUT OUR, WE KNOW OUR CANDIDATE POOL IS GOING TO BE GREATER IN DECEMBER WHEN SINCLAIR GRADUATES THE NEXT NEXT ROUND OF PARAMEDICS.
AND I BELIEVE EDISON, STATE GRADUATES AT THE SAME TIME AND CLARK STATE.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT ALL THOSE PARAMEDIC CLASSES, THAT WOULD BE OUR, THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD WINDOW BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF STUDENTS THAT ARE GRADUATING, READY TO GO OUT INTO THE WORKFORCE.
SO, SO BRIAN, FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE OR JIM FROM, OR IF WE'RE JUST FROM A HIRING PERSPECTIVE, UM, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IF, IF COUNCIL, SO LET'S SAY WE GET THROUGH AND WE HERE ARE OUR POLICE PRESENTATION, THE STREET PRESENTATION, AND WE KNOW REVENUE STREAMS. WE HAVE REVENUE SOURCES AND COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION THAT, YES, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET FOUR FIREFIGHTERS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN REQUESTED.
WHEN DOES THAT LEGISLATION HAVE TO START CHANGE THE ORG CHART? WHEN DOES THE EMPLOYMENT PIECE HAVE TO HAPPEN TO WHERE JANUARY WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THAT POOL, YOU'VE MADE THE DECISION TO HIRE AND THEN JANUARY THEY'RE READY TO GO.
WHAT DOES THAT TIMEFRAME LOOK LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS ON IN JANUARY, IF THAT'S THE DECISION THAT COUNCIL MAKES SURE THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION TYPICALLY IS REVIEWED AND EVALUATED BY COUNSEL EVERY YEAR.
UH, AND I'LL USE THE VERY GENERAL TERM IN THE FALL.
UH, SO WE GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE REVIEW IT, EVALUATE THAT WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT TIME.
UH, THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD SAY, UH, WITHIN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, ADD SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS, 10 POLICE OFFICERS AND 30 PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE.
UM, AND, UH, THEN WHEN THE BUDGET COMES AROUND, BASED ON THE RESOURCES THAT YOU FUND, WHAT THERE IS AVAILABLE TO FUND.
SO COUNCIL MAY HAVE ADDED SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS AND THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, BUT IF THERE'S ONLY ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND TWO, AND YOU'VE ADDED 10 AND THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION TO FIRE, AND THERE'S ONLY POLICE, AND THERE'S ONLY ENOUGH MONEY TO HIRE ONE AND 30 PUBLIC WORKS, BUT ONLY HIRE FIVE, THEN THAT'S WHAT GETS HIRED.
AND THE REST OF THOSE POSITIONS REMAIN WITHIN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, BUT UNFUNDED, OKAY, SO EARLY, EARLY FALL.
AND SO IF WE, SO IF THE DECISION WAS MADE TO HIRE THOSE FOUR AS REQUESTED, WE WOULD MAKE A CHANGE, WE WOULD ADOPT LEGISLATION TO CHANGE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART TO ADD THOSE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS INFO JUST PRIOR TO THE BUDGETING SEASON.
SO EVEN IF COUNCIL WAS READY TO, UM, TO SAY, YES, WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, IT WOULD BE FALL TECHNICALLY WHEN WE WOULD CHANGE THAT.
AND DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME THEN TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO PRIOR TO DECEMBER TO LOOK AT THE FULL CANDIDATE LIST? THAT'S EVEN GONNA BE BETTER IN DECEMBER THAN IT IS
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NOW TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT FOR YOU WANT THAT TIME, THAT TIMEFRAME WORKOUT.IS THAT NO, W WE WILL HAVE MY, THE POINT I WAS MAKING, WE WILL HAVE, SINCE WE'RE DOING A PROCESS AND TRYING TO HIRE TWO, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE, WE WILL HAVE A CANDIDATE LIST THAT'S VALID FOR ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR.
ONCE WE GET DOWN TO WHERE WE'VE EITHER HIRED OR KICKED LESS THAN THREE PEOPLE FROM THE LIST, THEN WE CAN RETEST.
SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO TELL HOW TELLING HOW MANY POSITIONS WE HAVE OPEN AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN END UP GETTING TO THE HIRING PROCESS.
UH, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVE ENDED UP THROWING, THROWING OUT MORE OR LESS BECAUSE WE'VE EXALT EITHER EXHAUSTED THEM, OR WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THEM EITHER BY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS, POST OFFER CONDITIONS, OR, UH, FINDING OTHER EMPLOYMENT.
AND I THINK PART, PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND COMPROMISE HERE ON WHAT MAKES IT MAKE SENSE AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE POSITION OF MR. LYONS.
I MEAN, I THINK, UM, SO FROM, FROM THAT TIMING STANDPOINT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME TIME, IF THAT'S THE DECISION WE MAKE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND THAT I WOULD ASSURE YOU AND SAY PUBLICLY, I SUPPORT, UM, HIRING ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S SEVEN OR WHETHER IT'S TWO, DEPENDING ON THE RESOURCES WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE.
UM, SO I SUPPORT THAT AND, AND I WOULD CONTINUE, I WILL WORK WITH YOU TO WORK WITH THE CHIEF THROUGH, UM, THROUGH BRIAN TO MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN, THIS STAYS VERY, VERY HIGH ON THE RADAR OF WHAT, WHAT IS IT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, AND, AND, AND KIND OF MOVE THIS FROM THERE.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF NOW WAS WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN THOSE WOULD NEED TO COME ON BOARD BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION, WHEN THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, BASED ON THE BUDGETING CYCLE AND HOW SOON WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TIME LINE AND THE TIMEFRAME ALL FITS TOGETHER IN LINES UP TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED WHEN YOU NEED IT, ASSUMING WE KNOW THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER HERE.
I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO ASK MY QUESTION YET.
AND WE THOUGHT WE WAS GOING TO HAVE A SHORT MEETING TONIGHT, UM, CH CHIEF, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AS YOUR PREDECESSOR, I ALSO LIKED DATA AND FACTS.
UM, I REMEMBER COMING ON AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, GOING OVER TO THE FIREFIGHTER HOUSE, UH, SITTING DOWN WITH CHIEF ASHWORTH AND GOING THROUGH AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DATA.
UM, THAT'S WHY, IF YOU RECALL, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I'M GOING TO SAY ROUGHLY SIX PLUS MONTHS AGO, ONE OF MY TARGETED QUESTIONS TO YOU WAS, UH, THE, THE EVENTUAL NEED OF A FOURTH FIREHOUSE, UM, THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DATA.
UH, AND IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THIS DATA STREAM IS GOING DOWN THAT LINE OVER THE PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS WITH THE CONTINUED GROWTH WE HAVE, THAT MAY BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE PROACTIVELY INSTEAD OF REACTIVELY.
I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT THERE, TO PLANT THAT SEED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR DATA.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO ASKED YOU ABOUT BACK THEN, AND I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN, UM, WAS THE, UM, THE INCREASE, UM, UH, MY OPINION, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR, FOR YOURS, UM, UH, OF MUTUAL AID IN OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN OUR DATA, HOW THAT'S COMPARED OVER THE YEARS, ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT? NOT TO THE EXACT DATA.
I CAN TELL YOU OUR UTILIZATION OF MUTUAL AID IS UP, BUT ALSO AS OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR NEIGHBORS USE IS UP AND, UH, AND OURS IS UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO, AND, UM, I WANNA SAY WHEN FAIRBORN RECENTLY TOOK THE CONTRACT ONTO A BATH TOWNSHIP, UM, OUR NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP BECAUSE WE ENDED UP GOING OVER THERE AND KIND OF BACK-FILLING THEM ON CERTAIN INCIDENTS.
UH, RIVERSIDE, OBVIOUSLY I THINK RIVERSIDE, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO HAVE MANPOWER AND OUR MUTUAL AID TO THEM HAS GONE UP.
I WANT TO SAY, I CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT THE INCREASE IS.
IT'S NOT TERRIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE INCREASE, YOU CAN SEE OUR INCREASE AND OUR NEIGHBORS INCREASE.
SO THEY'VE KIND OF BALANCED EACH OTHER OUT.
AND LET ME ASK THIS, CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE THE FIRE CHIEF, UM, IS THE INCREASE IN YOUR OPINION, DUE TO STAFFING, UM, APPARATUS, UM, THE INCREASED CALLS OR A MIXTURE OF ALL THE ABOVE, I WOULD SAY A MIXTURE OF ALL THE ABOVE.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME UP TO, UH, TO ANOTHER QUESTION IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOU HAD MENTIONED FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE, AND I KNOW AT LEAST FROM THE WAY THAT SOUNDS, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DANGEROUS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CONTINUE TO OVERWORK OUR FIREFIGHTERS, UH, RESPONDING CALL AFTER CALL, UM, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED AT SOME POINT, UH, SOME TIME IN YOUR PRESENTATION GOING FROM ONE EMERGENCY TO ANOTHER, UM, LET ME ASK YOU THAT, UM, IN, IN YOUR TIME AS
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CHIEF AND EVEN BEFORE, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE, UM, HAS STARTED WHAT WITHIN DIVISION? UM, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT TERM BEING USED BY CHIEF ASHWORTH.I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE FOCUS ON, ON MENTAL HEALTH.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK MARK WOULD ECHO THAT WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF GETTING OUR PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL AND GETTING THEM TURNED AROUND AND GETTING THEM BACK IN SERVICE.
SOMETIMES THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE FRONTLINE, MEDICS.
WE HAVE A FOURTH MEDIC THAT WE, AND WHEN THAT FOURTH MEDIC HAS THE MANPOWER AT THE STATION, THE ONES THAT MET IT GOES OUT, EVERYBODY HAS THE ALERT GET BACK TO THE CITY.
SO THAT MEANS THEN PATIENT CARE.
NOW THEY DON'T GET BACK TO THE CITY AND NOT BE READY TO RESPOND, BUT THEY HAVE TO, THEIR CALLS START PILING UP TO WHERE THE REPORTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY IN THE TIME OF THE TRANSITION BETWEEN US DEALING WITH COVID WHEN CHIEF ASHWORTH LEFT, WE HAD, WE WERE, WE WERE IN DEEP WITH COVID MAYBE JUST STARTING TO COME OUT OF IT.
UH, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THE, THE, I WILL, I WILL SAY OUR OPIOID EPIDEMIC IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF LIGHTENERS EXPERIENCES, THE SAME AS MINE ARE RESPONSES TO OPIOIDS IS PROBABLY NOT AS HIGH AS SOME, SOME SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
UH, BUT I THINK WITH THE, THEY CALL IT RESPONDER.
IS IT RESPONDED? NO COMPASSION, FATIGUE, NO.
AND THE FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE IS ONE OF THESE NEWER TERMS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT IS, IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A BURDEN GOING CALL TO CALL, TO CALL, TO CALL, TO CALL.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THE LESS SEVERE THE CALL IS, IS, IS WHERE IT REALLY GETS BAD.
OUR PEOPLE DO A SUPER JOB WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS EVERYTHING THROWN AT THEM AND ALL THE TREATMENT IN THE WORLD, THEY GO ON A FEW OF THOSE CALLS AND THEN THEY GO ON A SMALLER CALL.
THAT'S WHERE THE FATIGUE AND THE COMPASSION.
I KNOW I'M GETTING IT WRONG, BUT THE COMPASSION FATIGUE STARTS TO COME IN.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WAS FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE AROUND WHEN CHIEF ASHWORTH WAS HERE? YES, BUT I THINK WE WERE DEALING WITH A LOT OF ISSUES, UH, TOWARDS THE, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF HIS TIME HERE.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK A VERY BLUNT QUESTION.
UM, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE CITY, OUR REGION, AND AS A COUNTRY, WE'VE SEEN A LOT TRANSPIRE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT AS IT RELATES DIRECTLY TO HUBER HEIGHTS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU STATED, THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD COVID HEDIS AND WE'VE HAD A, UH, WHAT I WANT TO SAY A VERY AMOUNT OF FORCE GROWTH.
UM, DO YOU THINK ALL OF THAT HAS PLAYED INTO A FACTOR, UM, AS FAR AS THE FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE AND THE REQUEST AT THIS TIME FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, UM, DO YOU THINK ONE HAS PLAYED MORE OF A PART THAN THE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH OF THE CITY? UH COVID UH, AND, AND THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC, OR IS IT AGAIN, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND GIVE ME, UH, UH, AN ALL OUT ALL THE ABOVE.
I, I W I WOULD SAY ALL THE ABOVE, I MEAN, WE'RE WATCHING THE GROWTH.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT CARRIAGE TRAILS, A 3.5% IS WHAT CARRIAGE TRAILS IS OF OUR TOTAL CALL VOLUME.
AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER OF THAT 3.5%, 35% OF THAT IS A NURSING FACILITY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING DEVELOPMENT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUT OUR FINGER ON THE EXACT REASON WHY WE'RE SEEING THIS.
AND I THINK SOME OF THIS IS, IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR LOVED ONES AT HOME NOW.
AND, UH, WE HAD SOMEBODY STOP IN THE OTHER DAY THAT THEIR DOCTOR'S OFFICE BASICALLY TOLD THEM, WELL, IF THEY NEED HELP GETTING OUT OF THE CAR, THEY NEED THIS OR THIS LET'S CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE HAVE BECOME A VERY, VERY EASY TO OBTAIN SOURCE.
AND AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OTHER SOURCE THAT CAN HELP THEM, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE BECOME A BIG SOURCE OF WHAT DID I SAY? IN 2019, WE DID 465 LIFT ASSISTS.
SO THAT MEANS 465 TIMES THAT YEAR WE WENT OUT AND JUST HELPED PEOPLE OFF THE FLOOR.
I WENT THROUGH THAT WITH MY OWN FATHER.
LUCKILY MY MOM HAD HAD US TO CALL AND I SAVED THE VAN DAY FIRE DEPARTMENT, SEVEN TRIPS OUT TO THEIR HOUSE.
SO I THINK IT'S ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A PASSION PROJECT OF OURS AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN HELP THE ELDERLY THAT ARE TRYING TO STAY AT HOME.
UH, BUT ANYWAYS, YES, ALL OF THE ABOVE, BUT REALLY STARTING TO NOTICE THE, THE AMOUNT OF LIFT ASSIST AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT BEING SAID.
AND I DO AGREE, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD OTHER ENTITIES PROVIDE US DATA THAT WE HAVE A VERY MUCH OF AN AGING POPULATION HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, THERE HAVE, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WHEN, UM, THE MEDICS GO OUT TO A CALL, UH, TYPICALLY THOSE PATIENTS ARE ALLOWED TO DO, YOU KNOW, OR CAN CHOOSE A HOSPITAL THAT THEY PREFER TO GO TO WITH THIS FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE,
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WITH THE HIGH RATE OF CALLS.UM, ARE WE STILL DOING THAT? AND IS THAT SOMETHING AT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT BECAUSE OF BACK-TO-BACK EMERGENCIES, WE'VE HAD TO SAY NO TO, NO, WE TRIED, WE TRIED TO WISH.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS A LIMIT KETTERING HOSPITALS, AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE GET INTO PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE ABOUT THAT.
MY OPINION IS, IS THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO KETTERING HOSPITAL WITH A NON-EMERGENCY, MY TURNAROUND TIME SHOULD BE FASTER BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO DO MY REPORT ON THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL.
UM, UH, BUT YES, WE STILL, WE STILL BELIEVE IN GIVING PATIENTS THE CHOICE TO GO TO THE MOST APPROPRIATE FACILITY.
UH, THAT MEANS THAT IF, WHEN I SAY MOST APPROPRIATE, IF THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF A CONDITION THAT WARRANTS A CLOSER HOSPITAL, WE WILL DO THAT.
SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LEAD ME INTO MY NEXT QUESTION, UH, WHICH IS A BILLING.
I KNOW, UM, THAT WE HAVE KIND OF TAKEN A, A VERY EASY APPROACH TO BILLING HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUTSTANDING, THAT WE DON'T AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT A REVENUE SOURCE HERE.
UM, NOT TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE USE NINE 11, UM, AND, AND THERE IS INSURANCE OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE ARE BILLING CAPABILITIES OUT THERE.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THAT IS, DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB AT, OR DO YOU, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WHERE AT NOW GOING AFTER PROPER BILLING? YEAH.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I WAS A LITTLE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THAT OLD, BUT WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER AND STARTING TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I REMEMBER BEING THE LITTLE BULLDOG WITH CHIEF ASH WERE SAYING, HEY, WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THIS? AND WE STARTED TALKING TO SOME NEIGHBORS, AND WE KIND OF FIGURED OUT THAT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PAIN THEY'RE THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOMES AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY.
AND WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, FOR THE LACK OF BETTER TERMS, THE JUICE DIDN'T SEEM WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT OUR 2021 NUMBERS, BUT WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST COLLECTION RATES ON EMS BILLING THEN IN OUR AREA.
UH, IN FACT, I MEAN, EVEN OUR BILLING COMPANY HAS RENEGOTIATED OUR RATE, CUT US BY A HALF A POINT ON COLLECTION FEES BECAUSE OUR FEES WERE PERFORMING SO WELL.
SO YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE, WHAT WE'VE NEVER BROUGHT IT TO YOU IS, IS THAT WHAT I REMEMBER? AND I HAVE NOT DONE THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.
UH, I HAVE NOT GONE AND LOOKED TO SEE WHAT OUR INCREASE IN REVENUE WAS, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A CONSENSUS AND FIRE CHIEFS THAT I TALKED TO THAT, UH, WE NOT DO THAT.
UH, I KNOW HARRISON TOWNSHIP REACHED OUT A WHILE AGO DOING THE SAME TYPE OF SURVEY AND I BELIEVE PICK WHAT WAS DOING SOME THINGS.
AND I THINK WE, EVERYBODY KIND OF CAME TO THE SAME RESULTS THAT THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING BILLING RIGHT NOW IS WORKING.
BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE WANT TO DO, UH, WE CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHAT THE INCREASED DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE AT LEAST COMING INTO BUDGET TIME AND MAKING SOME STAFFING DECISIONS THAT WE MAY BE MAKING ACROSS THE BOARD.
I THINK AT LEAST WARRANTS SEEING WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE LAST TIME WHERE WE HAD THIS FULL DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, GOING AFTER YOU KNOW, THAT BILLING PROCESS, THINGS OF THAT, I THINK IT'S AT LEAST WORTH SEEING WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
MAYBE WE MAY NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES AT ALL.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT RESEARCH PUZZLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, LOOKING INTO YOUR, YOUR FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT WE RECENTLY DISCUSSED.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THROWN OFF WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE RECENT, YOU KNOW, CHASSIS ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED, UM, BRINGING ON, YOU KNOW, UH, SEVERAL, UH, SEVEN NEW FIREFIGHTERS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, I WOULD ASSUME IS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR UPCOMING, UH, CIP FIVE-YEAR PROPOSAL, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO APPARATUS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, TELL ME, TELL ME I'M WRONG INCORRECT, OR, UH, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO, HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE ITEMS YET.
SO THE CIP WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE, WE, WE VEHICLE WISE, I DON'T NECESSARILY FORESEE US HAVING TO DO A WHOLE LOT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CHASSIES AND ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A MEDIC.
MAYBE WE NEED TO NOT HAVE AN OFF YEAR BECAUSE WE NEED TO, UH, UH, PREDICT THAT IT MIGHT TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET AN AMBULANCE IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO TAKE LESS THAN 12 MONTHS FACILITIES WISE.
UM, THE CAPITAL PLAN IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAD ASKED IF WE WERE DOING ANYTHING, WE GOT AHOLD OF AN ARCHITECT.
UH, I WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY PUT, UH, OUR RENOVATIONS.
NOW THE RENOVATIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ADDING PEOPLE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, FOR THE HYGIENICS AND THE WELFARE OF THE, OF THE FIREFIGHTERS.
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WE COULD PUT MORE PEOPLE.WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH PEOPLE TO STAFF.
WE HAVE ENOUGH MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM.
I WANT TO SAY WE HAD ENOUGH FOR 22 A DAY.
WE HAVE ENOUGH BEDS TO STAFF, 22 FIREFIGHTERS A DAY.
WE'RE TRYING TO STAFF 14 RIGHT NOW.
SO FACILITIES WISE, AS IT SITS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SPACE FOR THESE, FOR THESE FIREFIGHTERS.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE APPARATUS, WE HAVE THE SPACE.
AND FROM WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR DATA, WE'VE GOT THE NEED FOR ALL SEVEN, WHICH IS WHY YOU PRESENTED YOUR PLANE TODAY.
AM I CORRECT ON THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S A COMPLETE VALID STATEMENT.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE NOT FACTORED IN IS A MINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND ADMINISTRATIVE BODY.
IF WE DETERMINED THEY NEED A VEHICLE OR NOT, WHICH UNDER OUR LEASE, UH, OR AT LEAST PROGRAM, THAT WOULD NOT BE A MAJOR COST EVERY YEAR, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE LEASING PROGRAM, WE HAVE NOT FACTORED IN ALL THE PARTICULARS TO THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BODY YET.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'M HOPING THAT WITH OUR, OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER TAKES A VERY STRONG LOOK AT, UM, AND I KNOW YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK VOLUMES TO THIS IS GRANT WRITING.
I THINK IF THIS CITY ACTUALLY MOVES FORWARD WITH A FULL-TIME GRANT WRITER, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, UH, PART OF THE BUDGETARY PROCESS AND PERSONNEL TO EACH LINE ITEM DEPARTMENT, I THINK IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS AND WOULD, IN MY OPINION, BEING AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCE TO PAY FOR A LOT OF THESE STAFFING ISSUES AND DIFFERENT APPARATUSES, UH, THAT WILL COME FORWARD.
UM, I'M GOING TO END MY COMMENTS THERE, CHIEF.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, AND, AND RESEARCH PUT INTO THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL NUMBERS AND PIECES OF INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO, TO FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL, I'M NOT A FIREFIGHTER, I'M NOT A POLICE OFFICER.
UM, I I'M AVERAGE JOE, A GUY FROM THE STICKS THAT GOT ELECTED IN THE CITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF, UH, THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS.
AND, UH, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR A FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR A POLICE OFFICER FATIGUE.
UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS A PRIME RESOURCE OF DOING AND A RESPONSIBILITY AS PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, AND IF CHIEF IS STANDING HERE TELLING ME THAT I'VE GOT APPARATUS, I'VE GOT SPACE AND I'VE GOT A NEED.
UM, I KNOW HE'S ASKING FOR THIS IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, BECAUSE WITH THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH WE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE, UH, GOING ON, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS GROWTH THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
UM, AND, UM, I, I, LAST THING I WANT TO SEE US ON AS A FRONT PAGE STORY ON CNN, THAT WE HAD A MASS CASUALTY ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD WE HAD THE MUTUAL AID SUPPORT, HAD WE HAD THE ADDITIONAL BODIES, HAD WE HAD THE APPARATUS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE HAVE IF, WHEN WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION NOW.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANY COUNCIL MEMBER UP HERE WANTS TO HAVE THAT ISSUE, OF COURSE.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT SEEING THIS MOVE MOVE FORWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, IF THAT'S ON MONDAY'S MEETING, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, I'M ALSO AT THE WOLF COUNCIL ON THAT, BUT, UH, UM, I, I'M HERE TO SAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS MY FULL SUPPORT.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE, THE NEW TRUCK COMING IN, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, UH, THIS PAST WINTER SEASON OVER SOME EVENTS, I GOT TO TALK UP SOME OF THE GUYS, UH, THAT WERE ON SCENE AND DID SOME OF THE TRAINING.
THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO, SO YES, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS MY FULL SUPPORT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, RESEARCH TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
HOWEVER, I THINK REVENUE WISE, I THINK ADDITIONAL RESEARCH CONVERSATION NEEDS TO OCCUR.
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS OR SEE WHEN YOU THINK YOU'D APPRECIATE IT, MARK.
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH RICHARD SHAW MORE.
AND I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO DIRECT THE MAYOR TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
UH, WE HAVE THE MONEY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR YOUR ENTIRE PLAN.
AND THE FIREFIGHTER FATIGUE IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
IT'S, IT'S A TERM THAT I'VE ONLY HEARD TONIGHT, AND IF THAT IS HAPPENING AND IF WE DON'T ACT AND SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, I KNOW EACH ONE OF US WOULD FEEL HORRIBLE.
SO, SO, SO IS THE ASK TO UPDATE THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART NOW TO BE PREPARED TO FUND THEM COME BUDGET CYCLE.
I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE MOVING? IS THAT WHAT THEY ASK US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CHANGE IN THE ORG CHART? MY ASK IS THIS, THE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC FATIGUE IS REAL.
I MEAN, IT IS THE DATA'S OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE MARK CAN SPEAK TO WHAT HIS MEMBERSHIP FEELS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE DEFINITELY THEY'RE, THEY'RE FEELING IT.
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WE BROKE DOWN? NO, BUT WITH THE INCREASING CALLS AND, UH, WITH THE INCREASING CALLS, WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE IT.YOU, YOU CAN'T HIRE FOR FIREFIGHTERS PARAMEDICS TOMORROW.
NO, BUT MY ASK IS TO HIRE THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND DID I HEAR MAYBE LATER IN THE YEAR YOU COULD ADVERTISE INTERVIEW AND, AND RETAIN FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
THAT THAT WOULD BE MY ASK TO, TO EXPEDITE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE, UH, ADD THE PERSONNEL.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT OPEN TONIGHT.
UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID IS SAID, AND IT'S REAL, AND I'M SPEAKING FROM THE HEART.
WHAT WOULD BE THE WHAT? SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THAT STEP THEN? SO UNDERSTANDING IF COUNCIL DOES OBJECT TO MOVING THAT FORWARD ONTO THE, UNDER THE COUNSELING, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT LEGISLATION? ARE WE, ARE WE CHANGING THE ORG CHART? ARE WE FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS? ARE WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LEGISLATION IS ON MONDAY.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MOVING IT TO MONDAY.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS, THE WORD BEFORE YOU WOULD ADVERTISE.
WE WOULD HAVE POSITIONS ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND THEY WOULD BE FUNDED.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORRECT.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT THAT'S BEING OFFERED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER, BASED ON THE RESOURCES AND THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.
I CAN SAY THAT IT WAS OUR INTENT TO BRING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT TO THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UH, SHORTLY, UH, TO ADDRESS THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
AND WHAT IS THE PLANNING POSITION WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION? THE IDEA BEING THAT, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION TO ADDRESS THOSE IN ADVANCE OF THE NEW CITY MANAGERS HIRE WOULD ENABLE US TO PRODUCE CANDIDATE RESUMES FOR THE NEW MANAGER TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE UPON THEIR ARRIVAL.
SO WE WERE ANTICIPATING BRINGING ATO A CHANGE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION CHANGE TO COUNSEL'S CONSIDERATION IN ADVANCE OF THE NOVEMBER DEADLINE OR THE NOVEMBER, OCTOBER, UH, TRADITION, UH, TRADITIONAL REVIEW BY THIS BODY.
WE COULD, UH, PROVIDE FOR A TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AMENDMENT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, IF IT WAS AMENABLE TO COUNCIL.
UH, BUT I WOULD PERHAPS URGE MAYBE SOME DELAY TO THE AMENDMENT ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT.
UH, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS CHIEF'S COMMENTS HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEN THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, WE HEAR COMMENTS FROM PERHAPS CHIEF LIGHTENER AND THEN WE WOULD MAYBE WILLING TO MAKE, ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING ANOTHER AMENDMENT AND THEN MAKING ANOTHER AMENDMENT A FEW WEEKS LATER.
SO I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THE COMMENTS OR CONCERNS AREN'T FALLING ON DEAF EARS, JUST KNOW THAT THE PRACTICAL OUTCOME, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FROM THIS EXERCISE, ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO DELIVER IN THE SHORT TERM.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO EXERCISE THAT REQUEST TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, BUT EVEN IF WE WERE TO MAKE A TABLE OF ORGANIZATION CHANGE, THERE ARE STILL BUDGETARY CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, CHIEF TALKED ABOUT HAVING AN IDENTIFIED POOL OF CANDIDATES WHO WOULD BE QUALIFIED IN DECEMBER.
WE COULD GO TO MARKET SOONER, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK SEVEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA ARE CURRENTLY HIRING AND THAT'S AN EXISTING POOL OF COMPETITION.
SO EVEN IF WE HAD AN ABILITY TO GET IN AND TAP THAT RESOURCE, WE'RE NOW IN COMPETITION, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO LAND THE THOSE PERSONNEL.
SO, UM, WE CAN PREPARE A TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AMENDMENT AS QUICKLY AS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
UM, IF IT WOULDN'T BE THE 25TH, WE COULD HAVE ONE AVAILABLE ON MAY 9TH.
I WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT PROVIDING THAT DATA IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
UM, WE COULD INCLUDE SOME OF THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT STAFF WAS ALREADY LOOKING TO INTRODUCE, BUT IF YOU WERE WILLING TO WAIT UNTIL PERHAPS MAYBE THE END OF JUNE OR JULY, JUST BEFORE WE BEGIN THE FORMAL OPERATIONAL BUDGET COMPONENTS, UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HEAR FROM THE BIG THREE, BUT I DEFER TO COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
WE COULD HAVE IT AVAILABLE MAY 9TH FOR ACTION.
HOW MANY HOUSES SLASH APARTMENTS DO WE HAVE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW? OH, UM, EXCLUDING CARRIAGE TRAILS, PHASE TWO.
UM, I WOULD SAY WE'RE LOOKING, UM, ABOUT 500, UM, JUST BALLPARK IN, BASED ON A QUICK COUNT
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500.HAVE YOU PUT THAT IN CONSIDERATION SINCE THEY'RE LOOKING THIS FAR OUT OF HAVING WHAT'S THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD 2.3 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO.
NOW, IF WE GO TO THAT'S A THOUSAND EXTRA PEOPLE, UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT WITH THE SEVEN POSITIONS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE YOUR RUNTIME AS WELL? YEAH.
IN, IN, IN DOING THE RESEARCH, I SAID, IT WAS, YOU LOOK AT THIS OVER THE MONTHS.
I CAN TELL YOU, IN OCTOBER ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING APPROVED 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF STRUCTURES.
THAT'S A, THE NEW WEST PORT VILLAGE.
AND SO WE, WE KNOW THIS, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL ENCOURAGE THESE GUYS TO SPEAK UP.
IF I'M, IF I'M WRONG, NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, YOUNGER FAMILIES, THEY'RE NOT A HUGE DRAW, RIGHT.
I MEAN, IF THE HOUSES ARE BUILT UNDER THE NEW CODES AND EVERYTHING'S BRAND NEW IN THEM, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT NEAR AS MUCH ACTIVITY IN THOSE PLACES, BUT YES, THAT ALL HAS KIND OF COME INTO OUR, OUR PLAN OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO ANOMALIES, WHAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IF CALL VOLUME WAS UP EXPONENTIALLY AND IT WAS AN ANOMALY, WELL, WE THINK IT'LL, IT PROBABLY WILL BE OFFSET BY THE NEW HOUSES GOING IN THE NEW, GOING IN THE NEW, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACES AND MORE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS.
SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TOTALLY WORRIED ABOUT NEW HOUSES AND NEW APARTMENTS BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN HIGH, UH, ACTIVITY AREAS FOR US.
UH, BUT YES, ALL OF THAT KIND OF WENT INTO OUR FACTS AND FIGURES.
UH, REGINA SUE SONG IS OUR FIRE PROVINCIAL MANAGER.
SHE LOOKS AT EVERY SQUARE FOOT, WE SEE THE COUNTY INSPECTOR DROPPING OFF THE PLANS.
AND SO YEAH, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT CAME INTO, INTO PLAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, 195 IS SENIOR HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THAT IS GOING TO BE HIGHER CALL VOLUME IF YOU'RE SAYING, PICKING UP THE FALLS.
SO I JUST WAS WANTING TO MAKE SURE.
AND ESPECIALLY IF WE DO GO FOR LOVING NEXT YEAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ALL TAKEN INTO PLAY.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IN, IS WE'VE GOT KIND OF A, AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH, UM, WITH THE SAME MANAGER AND A COUPLE OF COUNSELORS, AND I WILL GO TO THREE.
SO WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE HAD SOONER THAN LATER BROUGHT UP, WE'VE HAD THE MAIN NINTH MEETING BROUGHT UP OR TOWARD THE END OF JULY IN TERMS TO MAKE THE AMENDMENTS OF THE ORG CHART.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE, THEY WERE CHART CHANGE BROUGHT TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, TO BE FIRST READ, AND THEN WE COULD PUSH THAT FORWARD AT THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE NIGHT, CORRECT.
SO I THINK, UH, AT OUR UNIT IN, WITH THAT, I'M TRYING TO COUNT MY NUMBERS VERSUS OBJECTIONS TO SEE HOW, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD HERE.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT, BUT, UM, TONY ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, WE ONLY NEED TO CHANGE THE NUMBER.
IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE CHANGE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.
WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE SOMEBODY COULD LOOK UP THE LAST ONE.
AND THEN WE'VE HIRED THREE FIREFIGHTERS BEFORE.
SO HOW DIFFICULT IS IT GOING TO BE TO GET THE LEGISLATION READY TO GO? THE LEGISLATION ITSELF, I THINK IS THE EASY PART.
I THINK IT'S IDENTIFYING THE FUNDING STREAMS AND THEN THE ACTUAL HIRING PROCESS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FOR THE FIRE DIVISIONS STAFF ARE THE MORE DIFFICULT COMPONENTS TO THAT ONE.
MAYOR, UM, SOONER THAN LATER CAN BE MONDAY.
I UNDERSTAND BRIAN'S, UM, COMMENTS AND COMMITMENT.
UH, BUT I CERTAINLY, UH, HAVE ALWAYS PRIDED STAFF ON THEIR ABILITY TO GET A JOB DONE.
AND THEN WE CAN PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE FIREFIGHTERS ON MONDAY.
I'M NOT AGAINST, UH, COUNCILMAN AUTO'S PROPOSAL, BUT, UM, MONDAY IS SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.
AND IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A PROCESS, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE COUNCILMAN'S RICHARD.
I TYPICALLY DON'T THROW THIS AROUND.
I DON'T THINK EVER HAVE AS A MATTER OF FACT.
UM, THIS COUNCIL IS IN CHARGE OF SETTING POLICY, UM, AND DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENACT AND ADMINISTER THAT POLICY.
UH, IT IS MY BELIEF THAT ON MONDAY I'D LIKE TO, UH, INSTRUCT OUR CITY MANAGER TO CHANGE THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UH, EFFECTIVE, UH, AT THAT TIME AND PROVIDING THE, UH, THE MOVEMENT, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THE POLICY.
IT'S BEEN SET TO FIND THE REVENUE STREAM AND AUTHORIZE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
THAT IS THE POLICY I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON MONDAY.
UM, WHILE WE COULD HAVE IT MONDAY POTENTIALLY, UM, IT CANNOT BE AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE UNDER OUR CHARTER.
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WE CAN'T HAVE ANY EMERGENCY THAT ESTABLISHED ABOLISHES OR ALTER FUNCTIONS OR STRUCTURES OF ANY ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT.SO WE, WHILE WE COULD AMEND THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, IT WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
WELL, YES, IT COULD BE A CAUSE IT'S A RESOLUTION.
JIM BELL, IS THE FIRE DIVISION SUBSIDIZED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? YES.
IT, COULD YOU INCREASE THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY TO THE FIRE DIVISION WITH COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION? YES.
ALTHOUGH WITHOUT ANY INITIAL HIRING IMMEDIATELY, WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO THAT UNTIL LATER IN THE YEAR.
SO LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY, YOU, WHAT I'M HEARING IS CHANGE THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND FUND FOR POSITIONS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE PROPOSAL FOR, FOR MONDAY? YES, NO, MAYBE YES, YES, YES.
IS THERE, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO PUTTING THAT ON MONDAY'S AGENDA? I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S EASY.
UM, I THOUGHT IN THE MIDST OF THIS LONG CONVERSATION, WE WERE GOING TO ASSESS NOT ONLY THE FIRE DIVISIONS MANPOWER, BUT ALSO THE POLICE DIVISION, THE MANPOWER AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MANPOWER.
SO WITHOUT KNOWING, I MEAN, AND I I'M 100% BEHIND THE FIRE DIVISION, BUT BY PUTTING THESE FOUR OUT HERE AND FINDING FUNDING, ARE WE POSSIBLY PUTTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS AT JEOPARDY OF F GETTING FUNDING FOR, UH, MORE MANPOWER THAT THEY NEED? I MEAN, I THINK THAT, AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE CERTAINLY HAD.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, OPINIONS HAVE BEEN MADE KNOWN, BUT I MEAN, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ASK ON THE TABLE AND UNLESS THERE'S A MAJORITY, OBJECTION, THEN THAT'S, WELL, I DON'T, I'M NOT HEARING AN ANSWER.
SO I GUESS I HAVE TO OBJECT, I, I'M NOT HEARING AN ANSWER.
I DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE THE WORKFORCE AND TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IF IT'S BY, BY PUSHING THIS THROUGH, INSTEAD OF TAKING IT THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGET PROCESS, BECAUSE IF WE TOOK IT THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGET PROCESS, THE AUTHORIZATION WOULD, AND THE FUNDING WOULD STILL BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT EVERYBODY'S NEEDS ARE.
UM, UH, MY ANSWER WOULD BE NO.
AND THE REASON I CAN EASILY ANSWER THAT JEOPARDIZING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS IN PREPARATION FOR WHENEVER WE ADDED FIREFIGHTERS, WHETHER IT WOULD BE MONDAY OR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, I DID COME UP WITH ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SHOW FIREFIGHTERS THAT I LOVED THEM MORE THAN THE POLICE OFFICERS.
SO I DO HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE FOR POLICE OFFICERS.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY IS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH BY NOW WHEN I SAY THAT I HAVE SOMETHING, WHAT IS IT, DO I HAVE TO DIVULGE THAT NOW? WELL, CAN YOU TRUST ME THAT I HAVE, THAT I HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR POLICE OFFICERS? IF WE WANT THEM NOW, I THINK 10 YEARS ON IT MIGHT HELP.
WHAT, UM, WHAT THEY ASK IS TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
IF, I MEAN, IF SHE'S ADDRESSED, YOU REALLY THINK I'M BLUFFING.
WHAT I REALLY THINK I'M LYING.
DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE NOW? OH, LOOK, YOU'RE ASKING US TO, TO PROVIDE A FUNDING SOURCE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH MIGHT COMPROMISE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT TOO.
TONY, THE EMAIL YOU SENT ME ON IN DECEMBER FOR ISSUE 19 380 $8,000 AS THE SOURCE.
I AM SITING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WAS THERE ANOTHER LEVY THAT WAS ON THERE IN THAT EMAIL? THERE WAS.
AND WHAT LEVY WAS THAT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC NUMBER.
IT WAS THE OTHER LEVY WE PASSED THROUGH A ONE WAS 19.
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AND WAS THE SECOND LEVY WE PASS THE ORIGINAL LEVY RENEWAL FOR, WAS IT 17, MAYBE 20? WHAT LEVY WAS THAT? CHIEF 24 CHIEF.YOU REMEMBER THAT LEVY? YEAH, IT WAS THE OTHER LEVY THAT WE PASS.
JIM, WHAT LEVY WAS THAT? 19 AND WHAT, WELL, WE HA I DON'T KNOW THE LEVY NUMBER, BUT WE DID PASS A LEVY IN 14 TO START IN 15.
THE ONE THAT PASSED IN 2015 TO TAKE EFFECT IN 16 WAS JUST A RENEWAL OF WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
AND THAT'S COMING UP FOR RENEWAL AGAIN AND 25.
AND, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE SECOND LEVY.
AND TONY WAS THAT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AS ISSUE 19, I THINK IT WAS THE SAME PERCENTAGE.
SO THAT'LL BE ANOTHER $388,000 IN FISCAL YEAR, 2020 FISCAL YEAR 2020.
THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2015, AT 1.7 MILLION IN 2020 2.1 MILLION.
SO LIKE MRS. BERGER WAS HERE FOR THEM PER THE DESIGN.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ANNUAL INCREASE OF ISSUE 19 FROM 2015 TO 2020 WAS 389,000.
I WAS ASKED FOR A FUNDING SOURCE AND I IDENTIFIED THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND LEVY RENEWAL THAT WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER 388,000.
AND THAT WOULD COVER SEVERAL, SEVERAL MORE POLICE OFFICERS RENEWALS IN 20, 25 POSSIBLE.
OR ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE A RECESSION THAT TAKES THE INCREASE OR DECREASE IN FUNDING SOURCE, WHICH IS THEN A TAX INCOME TAX.
SO THERE'S THE FUNDING SOURCE YOU ASKED FOR MAYOR.
MA'AM UH, FIRST OF ALL, CHIEF NOISILY, YOU'VE DONE EXCELLENT JOB.
AND I THINK YOU'VE FULLY JUSTIFIED THE NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL YOU'VE ASKED FOR HERE.
UH, SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YOUR PRESENTATION ALSO DEMONSTRATES WHAT WE ALL KNOW AS A CITY THAT IS, YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING EXCELLENT JOB WITH THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE GETTING AND THE SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING.
HAVING SAID THAT, I WANT TO GO BACK TO A STATEMENT MADE BY BRIAN.
AND THAT WAS THAT WE SHOULD HEAR BY THE END OF MAY.
AND THEN THE BEGINNING OF JUNE FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE, I WANT TO HEAR THOSE AS WELL.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.
AND BRIAN BROUGHT UP A FEW MORE TONIGHT, UH, IDENTIFY HE'S IDENTIFIED MANPOWER.
WE NEED, I WANT TO HEAR THOSE.
AND THEN I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO HEAR NOT ONLY THOSE, UM, REQUESTS FOR MANPOWER, BUT THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COIN.
ONE THAT COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL WENT DOWN.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUND THOSE WITHOUT SEEING THE COMPLETE, WITHOUT SEEING THE COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHERE THE FUNDING'S COMING FROM AND WHAT THE ASK IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THESE THREE DEPARTMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT TO JUMP ON TO, AGAIN, I, 100% FEEL THE CHIEF KNISELY HAS MADE AN EXCELLENT CASE FOR THE ADDITION TO THE VIEW'S PERSONNEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN CONFIDENTLY MOVE FORWARD ON THAT TONIGHT.
NOT KNOWING THE OTHER TWO PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.
AND THAT IS PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES.
SO I WILL JOIN COUNCILWOMAN BERGE IN HER.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS JUMPED ON AND MOVED FORWARD ON MONDAY NIGHT WITHOUT HEARING FROM THE OTHER TWO DIVISIONS AS WELL, AND THEN MAKING A DECISION BASED ON WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DON AND I, I MEAN, I TRUST GEM AND I LIKE TO SEE THE STREAMING, LIKE THE 20, 25 RENEWAL LOVEY, DOES IT SAY 25% OF 0.25 GOES? DOES IT ALSO GO TO FIRE AND POLICE OR IS IT JUST, UH, NO, THAT ONE IS DIVIDED 40.5% FOR POLICE 40.5% FOR FIRE AND 19% FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO MONIES WITHOUT US AND BURLEY KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THOSE MONIES.
I, I JUST, THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY, THE RICARD FOR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE MONEY IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE BEFORE WE GO COMMITTING TO FOUR.
I THINK YOU GUYS DO A WONDERFUL JOB.
I HAVE AN ELDERLY MOTHER THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RESPONDED TO, AND YOU'RE AMAZING.
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I JUST FISCALLY DON'T FEEL I CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HEARING FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE.WE LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PICTURE, MAKE SURE THE FUNDS ARE THERE AND TAKE IT AS WE KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH DON AND NANCY THAT I NOT OKAY FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF I COULD, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY YOU MADE YOUR CASE HERE AND I'M 100% IN SUPPORT OF, OUT OF, UH, ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE AND PUT THIS TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE, AS OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER SUGGESTED LET'S LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AND MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE DOLLARS IN OUR POCKET TO PAY FOR THE REQUESTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD OUT OF THIS.
AND BRIAN JUST I'LL THROW SOME ROSES AT YOU RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO SAY.
WHEN WE CAN SEE THIS COMING FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, IT GIVES US A CLEAR INDICATION OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY COUNCIL.
SO BERKELEY MED, UH, GLENN, WHAT IS, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER POSITION ON, ON EITHER OBJECTING OR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? I THINK THAT THIS, UH, ORG CHANGE AS A, AS A FAIRLY SIMPLE CHANGE, IT CAN BE DONE, UH, IN MY OPINION, ON THE FLY ABOUT ANY TIME, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT EVERYTHING DESIGNED TO SUBMIT, DO THAT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AS SOON AS WE CAN AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS LATER ON, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO AS SOON AS WE CAN, WHAT I'M ASKING IS THERE'S, UH, ASKED TO MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY TO MAKE THE ORG CHART CHANGE AND PROVIDE LEGISLATION TO FUND THOSE FOUR POSITIONS.
SO I'M ASKING HER, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO, NOT THAT I WAS ONLY ASKING FOR THE MAIN NINTH BECAUSE I'M KIND OF A STICKER ON PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INITIAL READING OF THINGS PRIOR TO IS, IS ALWAYS MY PREFERENCE.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A NEED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOVING FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IS GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO LINDA.
WE'VE HEARD FROM NANCY BIRD FROM MARK.
I COMPLETELY SEE THE NEED FOR NEW FIREFIGHTERS IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF.
UM, AND I ALSO SAY I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, BUT I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE AREN'T GRADUATING.
WE CAN'T PUT THEM UP UNTIL THEY'RE GRADUATED.
SO I GUESS ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE BUDGET OF THE OTHER TWO OF THE BIG THREE, ERIC, I THINK I'D LIKE TO WAIT JUST TO HEAR THEM.
UM, BUT IF WE COULD, CAN YOU HELP ME CLARIFY, CAN WE PUT THE POSITIONS ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART? AND WE KNOW WE HAVE THE MONEY, BUT IF THE PEOPLE HAVEN'T GRADUATED, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMING FOR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMING UNTIL SUMMER.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? YEAH.
THE FIRST ROUND OF HIRING, IF WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL LIST, WE HOPE TO HAVE THE, WHAT A FRICKING, WHATEVER YOU SAID, THE TWO UNKNOWN POSITIONS, POSSIBLY A THIRD, MAYBE A FOURTH POSITION JUST BY PEOPLE CYCLING IN AND OUT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FOUR NEW PERSON.
NO, THE WRITTEN TEST IS WHEN AND THEN THE INTERVIEWS ARE.
SO WE WON'T EVEN HAVE A LIST ESTABLISHED UNTIL THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY AND THEN BACKGROUNDS.
AND THAT TAKES TIME AND THE WHOLE PROCESS.
SO I WAS RUSHING IS STILL NOT GOING TO HELP.
NO, OUR, OUR PRESENTATION WAS IS, IS THAT, AND LIKE I SAID, MAYBE MARK WILL AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SINCE WE'VE GOT THE GREEN LIGHT TO DO THE PRESENTATION WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE A CUSTOMER OF THE BIG THREE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE UTILIZE THE POLICE, WE UTILIZE THE ROAD DEPARTMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, MARK HONDA, HOPE HE'LL SPEAK UP AND SAY THAT HE WAS IN AGREEMENT OF US STARTING THIS PROCESS IN 23.
UH, AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT I'VE GOT THE VOICE OF THE COMMAND STAFF, THAT WE HAVE ALL EVALUATED AND WE KNOW IT MIGHT BE A BUSY SUMMER, BUT WE KNOW WHAT OUR LIKELIHOOD OF HIRING IS, IS THAT WE'RE LIKELY NOT EVEN ABLE TO GET PEOPLE, ALL THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE 2023.
YOU ARE THE POLICY MAKERS AND WE WILL MAKE HAPPEN WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE HAPPEN.
WELL, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF HIRING THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL.
I THINK WAITING LIKE THE FUSS, GETTING A DONE MADE KNIFE IS NOT GOING TO GET THEM ACROSS THE LINE MAY 10TH.
UM, I GUESS I'M WAITING TO HEAR THE OTHER TWO OF YOUR CUSTOMERS.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THERE.
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I GUESS WE'LL PAUSE.WE'RE ALL GETTING SHIRTS MADE UP THAT SAY THE BIG THREE ON THEM, BY THE WAY.
SO KATE IS AN OBJECTION TO MONDAY RICHARD.
OH, I'M TH I THOUGHT I WAS THE INITIAL ONE THAT MADE THE PUSH.
I WOULD LIKE, JUST TO CLARIFY, YEAH.
I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE CLARIFICATION IN THE ROAD POLICY IS SET ON MONDAY.
WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR OF MOVING INTO MONDAY AND FOUR AGAINST.
IF WE GET TO MONDAY, IS THIS, UH, UH, JERRY, A VOTING SITUATION SINCE WE'RE NOT VOTING.
DO I MAKE ANY DECISION TO YES OR NO? OR, OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY THOUGH.
DOES IT GO ANOTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL ASK YOU HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD HERE.
SINCE THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE RULES OF COUNSEL, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS WOULD BE MOVE TO MONDAY AND GO TO A BOAT.
WHY WOULD IT GO TO MONDAY? WELL, W BECAUSE THERE'S, SO I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS SINCE IT'S A WORK SESSION, WE'RE NOT VOTING IN FAVOR OF, WE HAVE TO WORK IN THE FORM OF THE NEGATIVE AT A WORK SESSION.
SO IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO KEEP IT FROM ADVANCING SINCE THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE IT TO MONDAY.
AND THERE'S ONLY FOUR OBJECTIONS THAT WOULD TAKE FIVE TO STOP IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JERRY? THAT'S WHAT YOU USUALLY SAY.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING IT TO MONDAY? RIGHT? THAT'S IT.
THAT'S HOW WE DO BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU DON'T VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AT A WORK SESSION, SO, OKAY.
SO WITH, UH, WITH ONLY FOUR OBJECTIONS, UH, WE WILL SEE THIS ORG CHART AND, UM, FUNDING LEGISLATION FOR FOUR MONDAY.
YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE SAT DOWN AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THERE.
WELL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED A CUSTOMER TO SIT SITTING THERE.
SO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AND PARTICIPATING IN THAT, UH, LONG LENGTHY DISCUSSION, UM, WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE JUST A QUICK FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO ALLOW FOR ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO USE THE RESTROOM TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, TAKE A BREAK, GRAB A DRINK, WHATEVER.
WE'LL JUST WE'LL RESUME BACK AT NINE O'CLOCK.
SO WE WILL, UH, RECESS UNTIL 9:00 PM STRONG RIGHT NOW.
MY APOLOGIES FOR KEEPING EVERYONE WAITING.
IT'S NOT 9 0 1 AND WE'LL GET STARTED AGAIN.
[ Alcore/The Landings of Huber Heights - Land Use Restriction Agreement Termination ]
IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS A ALCOR IN THE LANDINGS OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.THIS IS A LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT TERMINATION, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO WHEN, UH, THE LANDINGS, UM, JOINED US IN 2012, THEY DID SO VIA A BOND THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY THIS ORGANIZATION.
UH, AS A CONDITION OF THAT BOND, THERE WAS A LAND USE RESTRICTION THAT BOND HAS BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY PAID OFF.
UH, THE RESTRICTIONS STILL EXISTS.
THERE ARE NOW NEW OWNERS AND THE NEW OWNERS WOULD LIKE, UH, THIS LAND USE RESTRICTION TERMINATED FOR A CLEAN TITLE SO THAT THEY MAY CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN AN ADVANCE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT FACILITY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? YES.
KATE, WHAT WERE THE RESTRICTIONS? CAN YOU TELL ME I'M NEW? SO YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT THE LAND USE RESTRICTIONS LIKE YOU RESTRICTION FROM HAVING A CARNIVAL, LIKE TELL ME WHAT THE, SHE KNEW HER.
SO IT WAS THAT THEY COULDN'T DO, THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT THEY WEREN'T BONDED FOR.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY BORROWED THE MONEY TO BE A SENIOR FACILITY.
THEY COULDN'T THEN TURN AROUND AND DECIDE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE A HOTEL.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AND THE QUESTIONS, OBJECTIONS.
[ CRA Agreement - Flyer Red Properties II, LLC Operated As Warped Wing - 6602 Executive Boulevard]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A CRA AGREEMENT FOR FLIER RED PROPERTIES.[02:55:01]
LLC OPERATED AS WARPED WING AT 66 0 2 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.SO, UH, THE, UM, FLYER READ PROPERTIES, TWO LLC, A SUBSIDIARY OF SYNERGY BILLS, UH, HAS AN OPTION TO ACQUIRE THE TRUCK PRO FACILITY FOR THE PURPOSES OF OPENING A WARPED WING, UM, BREWERY TAPROOM, DISTILLING BEER GARDEN.
THERE'S A SERIES OF, OF, UM, USES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FACILITY AS A CONDITION OF THEIR CLOTHES FOR THIS PROPERTY IS THE CITY AUTHORIZING A CRA, UM, AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE THEM TAX INCENTIVES, TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS NECESSARY TO CONVERT THAT FACILITY.
WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE CRA AGREEMENT PRESENTED IN THE PACKET ON MONDAY.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR BRIAN RICHARD I'LL WAIT, THANK YOU.
BRIAN, UH, IN THE CRA AGREEMENT, UH, WAS THIS A, UM, A MUTUAL AGREEMENT BY BOTH PARTIES? DID THEY COME TO US, UH, FOR THIS? UM, OR AS, UH, WAS THERE ANY NEGOTIATION THAT LED UP, UM, TO, UH, SECTION FOUR, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER 15 YEARS, THE SHOOTING THEY APPROACHED US HAD MADE THE REQUEST.
THEY WERE AWARE THAT THE PROPERTY LIES WITHIN A CRA AND BASED ON THE APPLICATION OF THE ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ADVICE FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR AND SPECIAL COUNSEL, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT ABATEMENT IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THEIR REQUEST AND THAT IT, AND TO UNDERSTAND THIS AS WELL, THIS UNDERSTANDS THAT THE PROJECT WILL CREATE 42 FULL-TIME JOBS, UH, WITH AN APPROXIMATE PAYROLL OF $1.2 MILLION.
WHAT IS THE TIMELINE OF THAT? SO THE POSITIONS ARE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS.
AND SO THE TOTAL PAYROLL IS REALLY, UM, THE DRIVING FACTOR AS OPPOSED TO THE POSITIONS, BUT THEY ARE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS.
UH, THEY INTEND TO CLOSE THIS YEAR AND BEGIN THE APPROPRIATE RENOVATIONS, UM, BASED ON THE VERY BASIC CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, UH, THIS WOULD BE A FACILITY THAT WOULD BE OPEN IN 2023, EARLY 20, 23.
AND THERE WAS NO OTHER CONDITIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT, UH, MAY HAVE FELL THROUGH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'RE SEEING WHAT THEY CAME DIRECTLY TO US WITH.
THERE WERE NO OTHER TERMS OR CONDITIONAL.
I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM SEEING THIS MOVING FORWARD ON MONDAY.
AND THE COMMENTS, OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAYS? OKAY.
[ ZC BDP 22-08 - Amarjit Takhar - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - State Route 235]
ITEM THREE.I, WHICH IS, IS THERE IN CASE BDP 22 DASH OH EIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS AN
YOUTUBE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, AARON SORROW, THE INTERIM CITY PLANNER.
UH, SO YEAH, UH, THIS IS A FILLING STATION DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY, ALONG WITH CONVENIENCE STORE AT, UH, 2 35 AND, UM, CENTER POINT 70 AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT CAME TO US, UM, WITH ONE ITERATION AND WE ASKED THEM TO CHANGE IT, UM, AND BASICALLY PUT A, UH, REALIGN TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO THAT AT ONE POINT WE WANTED TO MOVE CENTER POINT 70 AND EXTENDED, UH, EASTWARD TO OPEN UP, UM, THOSE 400 PLUS ACRES THAT ARE BEHIND THIS SITE AND IN CLARK COUNTY, UM, WE WOULD DISRUPT THEIR OPERATIONS LESS, UH, DESIGNED TO THIS WAY.
UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A, UH, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A, UH, POTENTIAL RESTAURANT BAY, UH, FIVE GASOLINE, UH, PUMPS, UH, IN THE FRONT, UH, IN THE REAR, OUR FIVE DIESEL, UM, CAN, UH, PUMPS, UH, CANOPY ALONG WITH A DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY AND, UH, SPACES FOR 10 SEMI, UM, PARKING SPACES, UH, THAT IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING CODE IS 10 PARKING SPACES FOR SEMI-TRUCKS.
UM, THEY HAVE REDESIGNED THE SITE THAT IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS ACTUALLY, UH, 35 ACRES, UM, BUT UH, ONLY NINE IS BEING PROGRAMMED.
SO WHEN, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WHEN WE, UH, GET THE DETAILED DEVELOP PLAN, UH, I ANTICIPATE ONLY SEEING NINE ACRES ACTUALLY PROGRAMMED.
UH, THE, THIS IS THE FACADE FOR THE PLAN FACADE FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY, UH, MASON AREA EXTERIOR.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, FILLING STATIONS GO, I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
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UM, WE, UM, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, UM, COMPLETELY COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WE RECONFIGURED IT, THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, VERY EASY TO WORK WITH.UM, WE RECOMMENDED THAT REZONING FROM IOWA TO PLAN COMMERCIAL, UH, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, VOTED FIVE TO ZERO UNANIMOUSLY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? YES, NANCY, UH, DID THEY GET AN EMPIRE OUT OR WERE THEY GOING TO DO SO THERE ARE UTILITIES ON THE, UM, ON, ON 2 35 ON THE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, EVENTUALLY WE WILL BE MOVING UTILITIES UP, BUT THEY DO HAVE ACCESS.
UM, THEY, I THINK IN THE INTERIM WILL LIKELY SINK A DRINKING WELL.
UM, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE FULL ENGINEERING.
THEY'RE AWARE OF THE LIMITATIONS.
WE ALSO BEHIND HERE BEHIND THE SITE, UH, WE DO HAVE SANITARY, UM, WHICH THEY CAN TAP INTO.
UM, WE'RE BUILDING A LIFT STATION THERE, UH, NEXT YEAR.
I BELIEVE SO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, THE UTILITIES ARE HERE.
THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE FROM 2 35, UH, DOWN TO THE SITE.
SO THERE ARE SOME ENGINEERING, UM, UH, CHALLENGES THAT WILL, THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL OVERCOME.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE SEEING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, SOON, BUT THEY ARE READY TO MOVE AND CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY THEY, UM, ARE LOOKING FOR THE ZONING RECOMMENDATION AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
NOW, IF THERE WERE TO CHANGE THE SITE SIGNIFICANTLY, WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL IF IT MEETS A MAJOR CHANGE REQUIREMENT FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD PROBABLY, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING STANDPOINT.
WITH REGARD TO WATER AND SEWER UTILITY.
SO THE UTILITY SYSTEMS THAT SERVICE THIS SITE ARE AFFILIATED WITH CLARK COUNTY AND THAT ALL RELATES BACK TO OUR ISSUES WITH OLD DOMINION AND THOSE AND THOSE NUANCES.
SO WE WOULD BE WORKING, EXCUSE ME, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT TO ADDRESS SIMILAR ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE DOMINION UNTIL OUR UTILITY SERVICES ARE PROVIDED.
YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, ERIN, THAT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED ON THIS UNANIMOUS FIVE TO ZERO, UH, UNDERSTAND THERE, EVEN AFTER THE VOTE, THERE WAS SOME WORK BETWEEN YOURSELF AND THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT CORRECT ON THAT.
THE ADDITIONAL DESIGN, THE NOT, NOT THIS ONE, UM, UM, AFTER, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TABLED IT FOR AFTER THE FIRST MEETING, UH, TO GIVE CAUSE THE APPLICANT CAME WITH THE REVISION ESSENTIALLY THE DAY BEFORE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION GAVE US TIME.
SO THE TABLE THAT GAVE US TIME TO REVIEW IT, UH, AND, UH, IT, AND, AND THAT'S THE FINAL RESULT.
UM, AND CONCLUSION OF MY COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD ON MONDAY, A WAVING OF THE SECOND READING.
UM, I HAVE SPOKEN PERSONALLY TO, TO, UM, UH, INDUSTRY LEADERS ON CENTER POINT 70, WHO WAS EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF, UM, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE TIMELINE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING, MOVING DIRT SLASH BEING OPEN? UM, SO THE APPLICANT WAS HOPING TO BE OPEN OR START MOVING DIRT THIS YEAR.
WHAT THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN IS BASICALLY CLOSING ON THE SITE.
UH, THERE, I THINK A COUPLE OTHER ACQUISITIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE SOME ENGINEERING WORK AND DETAILED DESIGN WORK TO GET THROUGH, UM, BEFORE, UH, PERMITS ARE ISSUED AND ZONING PERMITS ARE ISSUED FOR THAT, BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT BY HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO DIRT MOVING BY INTO 20 20, 20, 22 OPEN BY 2023.
I THINK THAT IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO ON THEIR PART.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS ON MONDAY AND THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
I WILL ASK AS USUAL, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS FORWARD.
WITH THIS BEING ADVERTISES AS IN EACH OTHER, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE A PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
[ ZC CBDP 22-11 - Campbell Berling Huber Heights, LLC - Rezoning/Combined Basic And Detailed Development Plan - Bellefontaine Road]
THREE, J WHICH IS AN IN CASE C B D P 22 DASH 11, CAMPBELL BERLIN HEBREW HIGHTAIL SEAT, REZONING COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED COMMON PLAN FOR BOTH ROUTE.SO THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THE MORE, IT'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
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SO THIS IS A REZONING AND A COMBINED, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN.SO, UH, THIS WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ONCE BEFORE IT WAS TABLED, THE DEVELOPER CAME BACK, RECONFIGURED THE SITE TO MAKE IT LESS DENSE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, DOUBLES ON THE EAST.
THERE IS, UM, YES, THERE IS A LARGE GASOLINE PIPELINE.
THERE'S A LARGE GASOLINE PIPELINE THAT BISECTS THE SITE.
UH, SO TO THE, AGAIN, TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST IS A SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST ARE TWO FAMILY.
AH, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER A SITE PLAN.
SEE THAT THE DETAIL OF THE DETENTION POND, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL REVIEW, UH, IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S LETTER, THERE WAS, UH, INITIAL CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE RADIUS OF THE CALL TO SACHS.
THESE ARE THE STANDARD CALLED SEX SIZE FOR YOUR HEIGHTS.
SO BASICALLY ALL, MOST, EVERY SUBDIVISION HAS, UH, HAS THIS SIZE, UM, THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, BEFORE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, DID DISCUSS THIS WITH RUSS, UH, AND, AND THE FIRE CHIEF IS FINE WITH, UH, WHAT THESE RADIUS, THE, UH, OTHER THING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE SINCE THE FIRST ITERATION WAS A SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN.
UH, THIS ISN'T REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE, UM, BUT THERE IS A SIX FOOT MOUND ALONG WITH DENSE VEGETATION THAT REALLY DOES SCREEN, UH, THIS SITE FROM, UH, FROM BELL FOUNTAIN IN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, SO AS, AS IT'S, UH, AS PROPOSED THIS, UM, REVISION, UH, WE FOUND THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET, UH, SECTION, UH, 1171.
UM, WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION THAT, UM, THEY MEET THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS EXTERIOR FACADE, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, AND THEN MEET THE FIRE CODES FOR THE, UH, FINAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AT FIVE TO ZERO, UM, WITH, UH, ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, 50% OF THE MULTISTORY, UH, FACADES BE FINISHED WITH BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCT, WHICH IS MOSTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS QUESTIONS.
AARON, YOU SAID THERE'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT EAST AND WEST OF WHAT, THE AREA WHERE THE STREAM IS OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, PIPELINE, I BASICALLY RUNS RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
SO TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST TO FAMILY OR DOUBLES, UM, ATTACHED, SINGLE, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE EAST.
AND THEN THE BERM YOU SPEAK ABOUT AND THE LANDSCAPING, IS IT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? UH IT'S IT'S WHAT'S, UH, I'M TRYING TO W UH, IT IS GREATER THAN WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND I THINK, WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO BUFFER THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH? SO THERE IS NO, UH, BUFFERING PROPOSED, UH, ON THE, THE NORTH EDGE OF THIS SITE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED, UM, UNDER, BY THE ZONING CODE, SO IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT WHAT ABOUT BEING OKAY? UH, IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION.
DIDN'T BRING IT UP AS AN ISSUE.
WE DIDN'T BRING IT UP AS STAFF BECAUSE, UM, IT MEETS, IT MEETS THE CODE.
IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THROUGH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THAT BILL, WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY IT GOT DROPPED.
I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE AN ISSUE THAT IT'S BEEN DROPPED, BUT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT ON MONDAY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THEM, I'M SURE THAT THEY ARE WELL AWARE THAT BUFFERING IS AN ISSUE.
UM, MR. BERLIN AT A PREVIOUS MEETING HAD COMMITTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS SOME BUFFER IN THE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, IF I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY.
SO, UM, WHILE IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE THAT WAS ADDRESSED AS PART OF THIS ISSUE, I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A MATTER THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, AND I'M QUITE CONFIDENT THAT THE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE WILL HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY ON MONDAY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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OKAY.AND SO THERE ARE, UH, MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPING, UM, PLANS THAT ARE INCLUDED, BUT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INCLUDED MONDAY.
AARON, COULD YOU TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING TO GO IN? THEY'RE TOTALLY LIKE WHAT'S THAT? 7 97.
SO WE ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE, SO THERE ARE, THERE IS ONE ENTRANCE AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE IF THAT SOUTH INSURANCE WERE TO BE BLOCKED.
UH, BUT THAT DOES MEET FIRE CODE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FIRE GATE WHEN THOSE KNOCK OPEN GATES.
UM, SO WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IS ESSENTIALLY LANCE, THERE WILL BE A, SORT OF A LITTLE BLOCK, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LANDSCAPED PAVERS, SO, UM, OR GRASS PAVERS.
SO IT IS, UH, IT WOULD JUST LOOK LIKE A GRASS CORRIDOR WITH, UM, WITH BOLLARDS, UM, THAT IF YOU DID NEED TO ACCESS IT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD, BUT THE, UH, THE PAVERS SUPPORT THE, UH, THE WEIGHT OF THE FIRE APPARATUS, IF, IF NECESSARY, BUT IT WOULD JUST LOOK LIKE A BROOK GRASS CORRIDOR.
IT'S NOT PAVED IT, IT WILL MEET IT'S I THINK A 24 FEET WIDE.
SO, WHICH IS WHAT THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE 12.
I THINK, UH, I FORGOT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE IN THERE ARE, WHAT KIND OF AN ENTRANCE ARE THEY ANTICIPATING AT THIS POINT? ONE IN ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT, UM, OR START ONE LANE IN ONE LANE OUT, UM, THERE, THERE IS NOT A BOULEVARD THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND WASN'T ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR DEPARTMENT FOR, FOR REVIEW.
AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A, AND IT'S NOT A TURN LANE AND EXTRA LANE ON, ON, UH, ON BELL FOUNTAIN.
SO THE TRAFFIC, THEY WILL, THE TRAFFIC, LET ME GO BACK HERE.
UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DIDN'T WARRANT, A LEFT TURN LANE INTO, IF YOU WERE HEADING SOUTH INTO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM TO PUT A DROP RIGHT TURN LANE THAT IT'S 96 UNITS THAT DOESN'T GENERATE A LOT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVE TWO CARS AND THEIR FAMILY.
BUT WHAT WE LOOK AT HIS PEAK HOUR.
UH, AND SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT ONE CAR, EVERY THREE MINUTES.
ON AVERAGE, DURING THAT HOUR, TWO MINUTES, IT DOESN'T WARRANT, UH, FOR TRAFFIC STANDARDS.
IT DOESN'T WARRANT A LEFT TURN LANE.
IF THIS WERE PROBABLY DOUBLE THE SIZE 200 PLUS UNITS, THEN YEAH.
THEN CERTAINLY IT WOULD MORE OF THAT.
BUT AT THIS SIZE IT DOES NOT, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE IN THE OAKS? 202 AND, AND WE HAVE A TURN LANE INTO THEIR CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SURE.
MAYOR, IS THIS GOING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY? YES.
THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR, I THINK THE DATE ON THE PRESENTATION OF THE 24TH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE 25TH.
SO THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED ON MONDAY.
YEAH, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT NO ISSUE WITH THIS AND MOVING FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
UM, THIS IS REQUIRED TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I DON'T THINK I SHOULD OBJECT TO THAT, BUT, UM, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS THAN WHAT I HAVE EXHIBITED COUNSEL BEFORE ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES, UM, I DO NOT SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE GOING FORWARD, BUT I DO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE HEARING.
UM, BUT I DO NOT SEE SUPPORTING THIS ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO A VOTE.
NEXT UP IS I HAVE THREE K, WHICH IS CLARA.
AARON IS, UM, WOULD THIS BE THE REQUEST TO GO TO TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE,
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THE APPLICANT HASN'T ASKED FOR IT? UM, I, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WOULD PROBABLY JUST GO WITH YOUR STANDARD, UM, PROCESS.[ ZC BDP 22-12 - Horizon Line Development - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 7125 Executive Boulevard]
UP IS ITEM THREE.WHICH IS, IS THERE AN IN CASE BDP 22 DASH 12 HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT, REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD? YEAH.
SO THIS IS, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CALLED HAMPTONS AT THE HEIGHTS.
IT IS ESSENTIALLY CATTY-CORNER TO THE, TO THE ROWS, UH, RIGHT OFF OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
SO A NUMBER OF, UH, ATTACHED, UM, ONE UNITS OR IT'S A MIXTURE OF THREE AND UNIT BUILDINGS, UM, ATTRACTIVELY DESIGNED.
SO IT IS, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH, UH, THEY ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH QUICKLY, UH, ALONG WITH THEN, UM, FIVE OUT PARCELS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE, UH, DONE IS, UH, IF YOU, THE, THE PD, UH, LEGISLATION IS THE OUT PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE EAST FURTHER ALONG, UH, BRANT PIKE, UH, ARE MORE, UH, ALLOW A HEAVIER, SOME MORE AUTO ORIENTED USES THE, UH, COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS TO THE SOUTH AND INTO THE WEST, LESS AUTO ORIENTED, TRYING TO GET MORE, UH, RESTAURANT ENTERTAINMENT, THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE PHRASE OR, SORRY, ROSE I'LL PACK UP.
UM, THE ROWS WE HAVE LEGISLATION MONDAY REDUCES CONTRACT.
UM, IT DOES ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS ARE WELL-TRAVELED MAN.
UH, ANOTHER NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS THAT SUPPORT THAT DENSITY THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS ENTERTAINMENT AREA OR THIS BURGEONING ENTERTAINMENT AREA TO HAVE THAT 18 HOUR FIELD.
UM, SO THEY ARE, UH, THEY'RE READY TO GO.
UM, THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS LOCATION.
UM, THE, WE RECOMMENDED THE, THE REZONING FROM PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK TO, UM, MIXED USE.
UH, WE RECOMMENDED A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, BASICALLY THAT THE SETBACKS ON THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A DENSE DEVELOPMENT, THEIR PRIVATE STREETS.
WE, ONE OF THE SETBACKS OF THE GARAGE IS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK, SO THAT, UM, INDIVIDUALS, SO THAT CARS AREN'T BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, UH, WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
UM, WE HAVE A DETAILED LIST OF PERMITTED USES IN THE LEGISLATION, UH, SO THAT THERE'S SOME CERTAINTY HERE IN, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
THE ENGINEER WANTED ALL THE, UH, WATER MAINS AND SEWERS CAUSE THEY'RE PRIVATE STREETS, ONE OF THEM TO ALL, TO MEET CITY STANDARDS, UM, FIRE CODE, ET CETERA.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED, UM, UH, FOUR TO ONE IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED, UM, BY, UM, ONE OF THE MEMBERS HAD TO DO WITH, UH, TRAFFIC ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND, AND HOW, UM, UH, HOW THE INGRESS AND EGRESS WOULD, WOULD WORK BASICALLY DURING, UM, CONCERT, BUT, UH, CONCERT ACTIVITIES AT THE ROSE.
AND IS YOUR, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON HOW TO, UH, PREVENT A SIMILAR SITUATION LIKE WE HAVE ON 2 0 2 WITH THE TRAFFIC? SO, UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS.
UM, WHAT WE SAID WAS IF THE APPLICANT WAS AMENABLE TO THIS, IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY DICTATED, UH, DROP LANES, UM, THAT, THAT, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF RIGHT AWAY, UH, ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, AS THIS WILL BE BUILT, THERE'S YOU HAVE THE, UM, ENTRANCE EXIT OFF OF, UH, BRANT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, ACCESS TO THE NORTH.
SO THE TRAFFIC DOES GET DISTRIBUTED OR CAN GET DISTRIBUTED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IF IT WERE A SINGLE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS.
MA'AM AARON, WHEN WOULD THEY WANT TO CLOSE MOVE DIRT AND COMPLETE THIS? WELL? UM, SO WHOEVER OWNS THE LAND, UM, THEY UNDER CONTRACT FOR IT, UM, OUR ANTICIPATION, AT LEAST FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
UM, AS SOON AS THE, THIS IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, I ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL SUBMIT
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A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OF THAT APPROVAL.ANY IDEA WHEN THEY WANT TO START MOVING DIRT, BUT LIKE THIS STILL THIS YEAR? YEAH, THEY ARE.
THEY'RE THEY'RE CHOMPING AT THE BIT.
UH, AARON, I HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT THE, UM, UH, AGREEMENT HERE, EXHIBIT A UNDER, UM, UH, PROHIBITED USES.
UM, ONE THAT KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS ABOVE GROUND PARKING GARAGE.
SO WHEN THEY, UH, WHEN THEY, WE ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER THE LANGUAGE FOR THE PD THAT WOULD SUPPORT THEM, UH, ESSENTIALLY THEY COPIED AND PASTED VARIOUS CHUNKS OUT OF THE EXISTING, UM, ZONING CODE.
THERE, THERE REALLY IS NO PLACE TO PUT AN ABOVE-GROUND PARKING GARAGE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS ODD THAT IT WAS IN THERE.
UM, SO WE DID TWO, WE ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT.
THEY ASKED THAT THIS KIND OF STUFF REMAINED THAT.
SO THE, THIS IS A RENTAL PRODUCT WHICH WILL REMAIN IN THEIR PORTFOLIO, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I THINK THEY WERE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR INVESTMENT FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDES.
SO THERE ARE ANOTHER NUMBER OF USES THAT ARE PROHIBITED THAT WOULD NEVER GET BUILT SUCH AS AN AIRPORT.
OUR, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THERE.
IT JUST KIND OF, KIND OF SHOCKED ME ON THAT ONE.
UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT KINDA JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS PARKING OF SEMIS AND TRACTOR TRAILERS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT IN HERE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD COME ABOUT OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IF THEIR RIGHT INDIVIDUAL CAME ABOUT AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A WAREHOUSE IN THERE INSTEAD OF VERY EXISTING PLAN.
AND SO BE IT NOW THEY'VE HANDCUFFED THEMSELVES IN THIS PUD AGREEMENT, CORRECT.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE USES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ON THIS PARCEL.
SO AS I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A, UH, MAYBE A BETTER ENFORCEMENT OPTION IF THERE WERE TO BE TRANSIENT SEMI PARKING THAT, THAT WERE TO OCCUR THERE.
UM, MY THIRD AND LAST QUESTION IS I ALSO NOTICED IN THIS AGREEMENT DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY TYPE OF AB CHARGING STATIONS, UM, UH, BEING A UPCOMING, UM, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ROWS, UM, OFF THE HIGHWAY, UH, WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A, UM, A VERY EYE-CATCHING, UM, ESPECIALLY TO BE PUT ON THE PLUGSHARE APP, UH, FOR A LOT OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS OUTSIDE OF THERE, OF COURSE, BEING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE ROWS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION IS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THAT ADDITION, UM, I WILL BE IN THE FUTURE BE ASKING COUNCIL TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE ACQUIRED, UM, REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR ANY TYPE OF ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND DRAW THIS CORRIDOR AND THE HUBER HEIGHTS DAYTON MARKET, UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY GET SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
AND PLUGSHARE PUTTING THAT INFORMATION ON THERE, UH, REQUIRE NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO DO THAT I THINK IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IN MY OPINION.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THREE POINTS ON THAT.
THANKS FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
TO MOVING TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MONDAY.
[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
UP IS ITEM THREE L THINKER ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT.KNOWS A SPECIFIC UPDATE RELATED TO BRAND PIKE.
UH, BUT DID WANT TO NOTE, UH, JUST A FEW THINGS RELATIVE TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU ALL JUST SAW.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK, UH, AARON FOR STEPPING INTO KNIGHT.
THIS WAS MY PRESENTATION THAT I HAD PUT TOGETHER.
SO HE, UM, STEPPED IN, IN THE 11TH HOUR TO PINCH HIT AS THE, UH, AS THE PERSON.
SO YOU'LL SEE A MUCH BETTER AND POLISHED PRESENTATION ON MONDAY, UH, MONDAY THE 25TH, UH, NOT MONDAY THE 24TH AS NOTED IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, I HOPE AARON CAN, UM, EARN ALL THE SUCCESS AND ACCOLADES FOR HIS, UH, STELLAR WORK AND NOT PEOPLE IN FOR MINE.
SO WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FORWARD.
SO DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, BUT, UH, TO BRANT PIKE, UH, THE ONLY REAL UPDATE, UH, WAS TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, WE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO SIT AND TALK WITH YARD.
UH, AARON WAS HERE THE DAY, SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF PARTICIPATED IN THAT PROCESS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT WAS THE MEANING AND IMPORTANCE OF THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, UH, THE VALUE OF OUR PROJECT AT THE MEADOWS.
AND SO, UH, THAT INVESTMENT IS CONTINUING TO PLAY OUT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY UPDATE I HAVE, SIR.
MARK BRIAN, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE APARTMENT PIECE OF THE, UH, MARION MEADOWS PROJECT, WHERE WE AT, IN THE PROCESS? SURE.
WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE HOMESTEAD GROUP, UH, I HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE FINANCING COMPONENT, THE INCENTIVE COMPONENT, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
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UH, THEY ARE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, UH, WITH REGARD TO, TO, UH, THE BEST, UH, COMBINATION OF INCENTIVES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH.I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE IN BACK, UH, IN MY OFFICE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR SO.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL ELEMENT.
THEY ARE WORKING TO ESTABLISH A CLOSE, UH, ON ALL OF THESE PARCELS IN DECEMBER.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO WORK THROUGH IS DOGTOWN, UH, THE DOGTOWN SCHEDULE AND THE HOMESTEAD GROUP, THEIR SCHEDULES DON'T QUITE LINE UP HOMESTEAD IS MOVING A LITTLE FASTER THAN, UM, OUR FRIENDS AT DOGTOWN.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO PIVOT DOGTOWN MOST LIKELY INTO THE VACANT FUNKY MONKEY SPACE SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE HOMESTEAD PROJECT ON THEIR TIMELINE.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS.
UH, WE HAD, UH, JUST SENT THEM SOME TITLE INFORMATION FROM OUR CLOSING ON THE PARCEL.
SO THEY'RE CONTINUING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO GET EVERYTHING IN LINE.
SO ARE THEY STILL SCHEDULED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION? YES, SIR.
AND WHEN WILL THAT OCCUR? I CAN GET A SPECIFIC DATE FOR YOU, SIR.
AND WHEN WILL THEY, AS CAITLYN LIKE TO ASK, UH, TURNED HER, WHEN WILL THEY HAVE A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND? THEY ARE LOOKING TO CLOSE IN DECEMBER AND THEY WOULD THEN BEGIN PUSHING DIRT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UM, AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE SLOW, WELL, NOT SLOPPY, BUT SOME OF THE MESSY, UH, ISSUES THAT GO WITH MASTER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S A PARCEL PORTION OF THE LAND TO THE NORTH THAT PREMIER KEPT THAT THE PROPOSED ROAD RUNS THROUGH.
SO WE'VE GOTTEN THEM IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
SO, UH, BUT I WILL REACH OUT TO MR. CANTERBURY AND MR. FAYLER AND GET A, A DATE WHEN WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO TENTATIVELY, AS OF TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT ANOTHER SEVEN MONTHS.
THEY WILL BE BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
[ Liquor Permit #0055605 - Action Palace - 5605 Old Troy Pike]
UP IS ITEM THREE M WHICH IS THE LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 0 0 5 5 6 0 5.ACTION PALACE AT 5,605 OLD TROY.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT FOR ACTION PALACE.
UM, IT'S A, UH, BILLIARDS HALL IN GAME ROOM.
THAT'S OPERATING IN THE IMPERIAL, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, UM, THAT'S A 5,605 OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF AND THERE WERE NO TO THIS LIQUOR PERMIT.
SO WITH COUNCIL'S BLESSING, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY'S AGENDA.
ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS RICHARD, THIS IS A
A MATTER OF FACT, UH, I COME IN THE FOLKS DOWN THERE.
UM, THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TURNING THAT FACILITY AROUND AND IMPERIAL, I WOULD DEFINITELY REQUEST EVERYBODY TO GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO.
UH, IT'S GOING TO GIVE A SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO RECREATE.
UH, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE FUTURE DOWN THERE.
SO I'VE GOT NO OBJECTIONS ON THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
UM, THE OWNER HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE RENOVATION OF THE SPACE.
BEAUTIFUL BILLIARD SET UP IF YOU HAVE INSTALLED, WHY IT'S AWESOME.
AND I THINK THE LIQUOR PERMIT IS WARRANTED.
THEY HAVE A NICE SNACK REFRESHMENT AREA, AND IT'S A PRETTY CLASSY BILLIARDS HALL.
I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED, BUT ALSO THANKFUL THAT THAT OWNERS DECIDED TO INVEST IN OUR CITY AND IN IMPERIAL HEIGHTS.
HE'S REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB WITH IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Board and Commission Appointments * Culture and Diversity Citizen Action Commission]
AS ITEM THREE IN BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS TO CULTURE AND DIVERSITY SYSTEMS, ACTION CONDITIONS LAST STOP DECEIVING.UH, SO THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT TO THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION.
UH, THERE WERE TWO APPLICANTS FOR THE ONE REMAINING VACANCY.
UM, THE INTERVIEW PANEL, UH, INTERVIEWED BOTH OUT OF THE APPLICANTS.
UM, I WAS ON THAT PANEL AS WELL AS SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ITSELF.
UM, ALONG WITH STAFF FROM OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE CITY.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE APPOINTMENT OF BORON GLUE, UH, TO THE COMMISSION FOR A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.
THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS APPOINTMENT BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR ACTION.
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THAT ONTO MONDAY.IT IS NOW 9 38 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.