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          [ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road April 12, 2022 6:00 P.M.    ]
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          I SHOULD I CALL THE PLANNING? I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING OF THE CITY RIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          MR. JEFFREY, MISS OP, MS. THOMAS, DEAR MRS. VARGO. 
          MR. WALTON, DEAR MS. OP HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. 
          I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS. 
          IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HEARING NONE. 
          THIS IS THE TIME FOR, UH, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING AND HEARING NO ONE. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE SWEARING OF WITNESSES. 
          I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN. 
          SO I ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND. 
          I DO TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. 
          SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK WHEN THEY COME TO THE PODIUM, WOULD THEY PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE APPLICANT HARTMAN ONE LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING TO PO PLANNED OFFICE AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A NEW MEDICAL FACILITY, R Z BDP 22 DASH 13. 
          MR. SHARELLE GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, THIS IS A, UH, ALL TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, MEETING TODAY. 
          SO WE WILL GET STARTED HERE. 
          SO THE, UH, THIS IS A REZONING FOR TWO, UH, PLANNED OFFICE OR, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, A MEDICAL OUTPATIENT MEDICAL FACILITY. 
          THE SITE IS 1.1 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED PLAIN COMMERCIAL. 
          IT'S SORT OF AN OUT LOT OF THE RURAL KING, OR IT WILL BE AN OUTLET OF THE RURAL KING. 
          UM, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RETAIL THE SITE RIGHT NOW I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS MARGINAL PARKING, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY. 
          IT'S MOSTLY AN UNUSED AREA OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS THERE. 
          SO THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING THE REZONING OR A, A 10,800 SQUARE FOOT EMERGENCY OUTPATIENT MEDICAL FACILITY AT THE MOMENT WHILE THE PROGRAMMING HASN'T BEEN ENTIRELY DETERMINED, UM, IT IS AT THE MOMENT 10 EXAM ROOMS, 15 EMPLOYEES, UM, AND THEY ANTICIPATE AROUND 30 TO 40 PATIENTS DAILY INITIALLY, INITIALLY, AND THEN, UH, 50 TO 60, UM, AT FULL CAPACITY. 
          WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY, REALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL LACKING IN SOME DETAILS IS, UH, DETERMINING WHETHER THE ZONING CHANGE IS APPROPRIATE AND THE BASIC PARAMETERS OF THE BASIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO HERE IS THE SITE, UH, IS THIS PART OF THE, UH, THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, OLD TROY PIKE. 
          THIS IS A, UH, CLOSER IN, UH, ZOOM OF THE, OF THE SITE. 
          UM, THIS IS ROUGHLY THE LOCATION. 
          UM, THERE IS SOME, THERE ARE SOME SITE CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, MAINLY THERE IS AN EIGHT INCH, UM, SANITARY THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH ON THE SITE WITH, UH, WITH A LARGE EASEMENT. 
          UH, IT IS A 10 FOOT BURIED, UM, SANITARY. 
          SO WITH A 15 FOOT EASEMENT. 
          SO IT IS, UH, IT'S PRETTY DEEP. 
          THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT. 
          SO THERE IS LIKELY TO BE SOME MOVEMENT OF THE BUILDING TO THE WEST, A LITTLE BIT TO STAY OUT OF THAT EASEMENT IN CASE IT WERE TO NEVER, EVER NEED TO BE, UH, EXCAVATED. 
          UM, THE BUILDING PROBABLY WILL LIKELY SHIFT, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO THE WEST, UM, SOMEWHAT. 
          SO I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO COME UP. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TO THE STORAGE, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE DISPLAY AREA. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE CAN FIND IN OUR RECORDS IS THAT, UM, THERE WAS 22,550 SQUARE FEET APPROVED ORIGINALLY. 
          SO IT WAS 205 BY 110 FEET. 
          UM, THAT IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PURPLE BOX FOR THE OUTDOOR SALES DISPLAY FOR ROYAL KING. 
          THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL OF A SMALL GREENHOUSE THAT, UH, TODAY DOESN'T EXIST, BUT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER OVER TIME. 
          THE SITE HAS GROWN, UH, IT HAS A COVID BELLY, LIKE THE REST OF US, UM, TO CLOSE TO 64,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE, UH, THE DISPLAY AS A RANGE, 
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THERE ARE SOME CONCRETE BARRIERS HERE THAT BASIC, THAT PRETTY MUCH, UM, UH, LOCK IN THIS SITE. 
          IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY UNDER 64,000. 
          THE POINT BEING IS THERE'S AMPLE ROOM FOR RURAL KING, UH, TO MOVE THEIR DISPLAY AREA, TO GET BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR, UH, FOR THIS SITE. 
          UM, UH, SO THEY CAN RECONFIGURE THEIR OUTDOOR DISPLAY WITHOUT HAVING REALLY ANY IMPACT ON THE, ON, ON THEIR OPERATIONS. 
          AND THERE'S REALLY, NO, I WOULD CALL IT TRUE LOSS OF PARKING WITH THIS PROPOSAL. 
          THERE ARE 20, UH, ROUGHLY 20 PAINTED, UH, UH, SITES HERE OR, OR STALLS RARELY HAVE I SEEN ANYBODY USE THEM. 
          THERE'S BEEN A RANDOM SEMI-TRUCK, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CARS, BUT, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO BE BACK HERE THAT OFTEN. 
          SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE ROUGH SITE PLAN. 
          UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ALONG TAYLORSVILLE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE OR THE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE. 
          UH, THERE IS SOME PERIMETER, UH, PARKING THAT IS, THAT IS HERE. 
          THIS IS A, A RENDERED, UH, VERSION. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS AS PROPOSED ABOUT JUST UNDER 11,000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          UH, THEY ARE WORKING WITH RURAL KING TO GET SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENTS, UM, SO THAT, SO THAT BOTH CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. 
          SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, MEDICAL USES ARE ALLOWED OR PERMITTED IN THE PO DISTRICT. 
          THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED IN THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, OR JUST WHY THE ZONING CHANGES NECESSARY. 
          THERE IS A 15 FOOT PERMIT OR BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, UNDER THE PLANNED OFFICE DISTRICT, WHICH CAN'T BE MET. 
          AND I SHOULDN'T SAY NECESSARILY THAT CAN'T BE MAD WORK STAFF IS, UH, ENCOURAGE THAT, ENCOURAGE THEM, THAT IT NOT NECESSARILY BE MET, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAINTAIN THE ALIGNMENTS WITH THE DRIVE ISLES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, UH, SO THAT WE DISRUPT ANY FUTURE TRAVEL ALONG IN THAT PARKING LOT. 
          UH, SO WE MINIMIZE THAT DISRUPTION, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE HERE ON THE EAST SIDE AS A BUFFER YARD. 
          THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, THIS ALLOWS THE PARKING TO STAY ALIGNED IF, UH, IF WE'RE RURAL KING, WHEREVER CHANGE, UM, USES AND THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE OR DISPLAY AREA GOES AWAY, THERE WOULD THIS PARKING LOT LINES UP ALONG WITH THE PARALLEL PARKING THAT IS ALONG TAYLORSVILLE. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE ARE THESE, UH, SORT OF 15 FOOT PLUS OR MINUS, UM, I'LL CALL THEM BUFFER YARDS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY, UH, TO BUFFER THE, UH, INTO SEPARATE THE VEHICULAR EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE OTHER TRAVEL LANE. 
          SO THE 15 FOOT SETBACK COULD BE, OR BUFFER YARD COULD BE, UM, BUILT HERE, BUT IT WOULD THROW OFF THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXISTING TRAVEL PATTERNS AND LONG TAYLORSVILLE. 
          SO WE ENCOURAGED THEM TO, TO MAINTAIN THAT THOSE LINES, THOSE, UM, UH, I ALWAYS PUT SOME ON OUR OWN WAY. 
          THERE IS. 
          SO THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW AREAS FOR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. 
          ALL OF THAT DETAIL WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE WITH 10 EXAM OFFICES AND 15 EMPLOYEES, 45 SPACES ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE ZONING CODE, THERE'S 41 ILLUSTRATED. 
          I THINK THAT WILL LIKELY CHANGE AS THE BUILDING SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TO THE WEST. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S 20 SORT OF PARKING STALLS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT SITE. 
          UM, AS I SAID, THE APPLICANTS WORKING TO, TO SECURE A SHARED AGREEMENT WITH THE RURAL KING, UH, OWNERSHIP, UH, IF THE BUILDING DOES MOVE TO THE WEST, UM, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT EAST SIDE, RATHER THAN SEE A LINE OF PARKING ON THAT, UM, THROUGH STREET, UM, THIS, SO HERE'S THE SEWER. 
          YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SEWER WAS PUT IN. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME REPAIRS. 
          THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, RIGHT IN RIGHT OUTWARD WOULD, WOULD BE. 
          THERE WOULD BE A TRAVEL LANE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          YOU COULD PUT A ROW OF PARKING, UH, ALONG THIS AREA WITH A 10 FOOT BY 18 FOOT STALL. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO DIG IN LIKELY DIG INTO THIS EXISTING, UM, GREEN, GREEN SPACE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MAINTAIN THIS IN, UH, 
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IN, IN A BUFFER YARD OR OPEN SPACE. 
          THIS PARKING LOT COULD USE SOME SOFTENING. 
          UH, AND SO IF, WHEN THEY MOVE FORWARD TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE, UM, SOME FORGIVING ON THE ON-SITE PARKING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THERE AND HAVE THE REST OF THAT MADE UP, UH, BY SHARED SPACES OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL LOT. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING IN THIS AREA, AS FAR AS SIGNAGE. 
          THIS IS THE OTHER AREA THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING SOME RELIEF ON. 
          UM, THERE IS PROPOSED ONE GROUND SIGN THAT IS EIGHT FEET TALL, THE PARKING, OR EXCUSE ME, THE SIGN REGULATIONS, UM, SUGGEST THAT GROUND SIGNS SHOULD BE NO LARGER THAN SIX FEET TALL. 
          THERE ARE THREE CORPORATE WALL SIGNS THAT ARE 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          EACH, THERE ARE TWO EMERGENCY EMERGENCY, UH, WALL SIGNS THAT ARE 75 SQUARE FEET EACH, AND THEN ONE AMBULANCE, UH, SIGN OVER THE CANOPY. 
          SO THERE WAS ONE CANOPY SIGN THAT IS MOUNTED ABOVE THE CANOPY. 
          TECHNICALLY THE CANOPY SIGNS, UH, SHOULD ONLY BE ON CANOPIES THAT FACE THE STREET IT'S REALLY FACED INTERNALLY, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE IS. 
          UM, AND THE SIGNS SHOULDN'T, UH, ACCORDING TO THE COACH SHOULD NOT BE MOUNTED ABOVE THE CANOPY. 
          THEY SHOULD BE EITHER ON A RACER OR PAINTED, UH, FLUSH WITH THE CANOPY. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM TO GIVE HERE AS WELL. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS 300 SQUARE FEET OF WALL SIGNS PROPOSED. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERS THE EMERGENCY OR THE AMBULANCE SIGNS AND MORE ABOUT DIRECTIONAL OR PUBLIC INTEREST SIGNAGE, UH, AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY MORE OF THE ADVERTISING SIGNAGE, THEN, UH, IT DOES MEET THE, THE SIGN REGULATIONS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          SO YOU HAVE GREAT LATITUDE IN HOW YOU, UM, HOW YOU WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AS FAR AS THE SIGN PACKAGE GOES, UM, ON THE SITE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, THREE CORPORATE SIGNS, BASICALLY ON ALL THREE, UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE WEST, THE SOUTH AND THE EAST FACE. 
          UM, THE AMBULANCE CANOPY SIGN WOULD BE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE FOR THE PATIENT DROP-OFF, UH, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE TWO CORPORATE, UH, BRANDING SIGNS, I BELIEVE ON THE, UH, BOTH EAST. 
          AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S AN EAST AND THE WEST SIDE, BUT TO, TO CORPORATES BASIC SIGNS. 
          SO HERE IS A, THIS BUILDING IS NOT WHAT WILL BE BUILT. 
          THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE CANOPY SIGN SITS JUST ABOVE CANOPY, HOW THE EMERGENCY SIGNS WALL SIGNS ARE LAID OUT. 
          AND THEN THE CORPORATE BRANDING, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT, UH, TOLD US WHO THE FACILITY USER IS, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS JUST A BLANK SIGN, FACE, OTHER CONCERNS OR COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, FROM OTHER OTHER CITY STAFF, THE ENGINEERING, UM, BASICALLY WOULD LIKE THAT THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT BE CONSTRUCTED, OR AT LEAST THE, THE, UH, PYLON IN THE MIDDLE BE CONSTRUCTED AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE INSTALL NO LEFT TURN SIGNAGE AND CURB DELINEATORS. 
          AND THEN THE ENGINEER, UH, HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING TO THAT EASEMENT IN CASE THERE WERE EVER ANY, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE OR EXCAVATION OF THAT SANITARY, UM, AS IT IS LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, THE BUILDING IS LIKELY TO CLOSE TO THE EASEMENT, UH, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF WOULD LIKELY FACE DAMAGE. 
          SO STAFF FEELS THAT THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN 1171 OF SIX CAN BE MET. 
          AND SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING FROM PLANNING COMMERCIAL TO PLANT OFFICE, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THAT WOULD THEN CARRY THROUGH TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          ONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE STREET TREES PLACED EVERY 40 FEET ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IN FRONT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE CAN'T REQUIRE FOR THE REST OF RURAL KING, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH THE SCREENING OF SERVICE STRUCTURES THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING STANDARDS, UH, FOR AS A MISTAKE, UM, FOUR AND FIVE ARE THE SAME, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING. 
          AND THEN THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH THE FIRE CODE REGULATIONS ARE THE QUESTIONS OF ME. 
          YES, MR. ORGO IS, UM, RURAL KING GOING TO MAINTAIN OF THAT LAND, UH, TO MY, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN BETTER ANSWER THAT. 
          BUT, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, NO, THEY WILL BE SELLING THAT LAND TO THIS 
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USER BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO, THERE IS A, THERE IS A PLAT THAT IS PART OF THIS AS WELL. 
          SO THEY WILL BE SUBDIVIDING THIS, THIS ONE. 
          AND I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS LEFT-HAND RIGHT OUT, UH, ON ONE THAT WE HAVE IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT. 
          UM, AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE BY THE BANK? NO. 
          NO. 
          SO, WELL, HERE, HERE'S THE BANK ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE TO THE SOUTH. 
          YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS EASEMENT IS, THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WOOD WOULD COME OUT RIGHT WHERE THIS EASEMENT IS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE COLOR RENDERING SHOWS IT. 
          ONE OF THEM DIDN'T, UM, THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT WAS AN AD KIND OF TOWARDS THE END OF THE, AS THIS WAS BEING DEVELOPED. 
          I'M JUST SURPRISED ABOUT ANOTHER CURB CUTS THAT CLOSE TO THE ONE THAT'S THERE AT THE BANK. 
          PLUS THE OTHER ONE THAT'S, UH, UH, BY RURAL KING, THE ONE BY RURAL KING IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER ON FURTHER DOWN. 
          UM, THE ENGINEERING, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, GIVEN THE TRAFFIC, THE EMERGENCY NATURE OF, OF WHO WOULD BE GOING HERE, WE, HE DIDN'T, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S ONLY RIGHT IN AND ONLY RIGHT OUT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MOST, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE LEFT TURNS IN. 
          UM, IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE THAT BEING SAID, NOT EVERYBODY ALWAYS FOLLOWS THOSE LEFT, NO LEFT TURN RULES. 
          OH, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UH, IT'S A REAL ISSUE TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT WE'RE BUILDING INTO THE SYSTEM RATHER THAN TRYING TO CORRECT IT. 
          THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO REVERSE IT, MOVE IT OVER HERE AND SLIDE THAT BUILDING. 
          I BASICALLY JUST FLIPPED THE BUILDING REVERSE, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A BETTER SOLUTION TO ME BECAUSE THOSE TWO, UH, INS AND OUTS, UH, SO CLOSE TOGETHER AS A PROBLEM IN MY MIND. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, THE CITY ENGINEER DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL, GIVEN THAT THE ORAL KING, UM, ENTRANCE AND EXIT, I MEAN, YOU BASICALLY GOT GO IN FRONT OF RURAL KING AND THEN COME BACK UP. 
          SO IT IS A PRETTY SECURITAS ROUTE TO GET TO HERE. 
          UM, THIS, THIS DOES ADD FASTER ACCESS TO THE SITE IF YOU'RE HEADING WEST ON TAYLORSVILLE. 
          UM, AND TELL ME AGAIN WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ENTRANCE FURTHER WEST. 
          WHY DID THEY HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE BANK THAN A LITTLE BIT WEST OF THERE? SO THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY CAN, CAN BETTER EXPLAIN THAT, UM, IT ALIGNS BETTER WITH THE WAY THAT THE TRAFFIC, THE PARKING TRAFFIC, UH, AISLES ALIGN, UM, OTHERWISE IT KINDA, IT, IT SORT OF CUTS UP THE TRAFFIC, CAUSE THERE'S BASICALLY, THERE'S A ROAD STUB FURTHER NORTH THAT AT ONE TIME PROBABLY PUSHED THROUGH TO THE SOUTH. 
          SO THIS ROAD COULD BE ONLY LET ME GO TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WEST. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE, LET ME, THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF PROBABLY TOUGH TO SEE, BUT THIS ROAD THAT EXISTS RIGHT HERE, LINES UP WITH THE SEWER EASEMENT AND THE WRITING RIGHT OUT. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE LESS DISRUPTION. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WITHIN THE WORLD KING PARKING LOT BY PUMPING THAT ROAD TO THE EAST SIDE. 
          BUT ISN'T THAT WHERE THAT ONE PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED US THAT THEY MAY ACTS STAND AND IT, THE LAST PHOTO YOU SHOWED US, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? BECAUSE LET ME SHOW YOU THIS ONE THAT HAS IT. 
          SO THIS IS THE ALARM. 
          THAT'S NOT THE ONE I WANT. 
          I DON'T WANT, IT'S AN ACTUAL PHOTO. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. 
          WHAT IS THAT BUSINESS UP THERE? THIS IS THE BANK THAT THE BANK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND SO THIS IS THE, IT IS PROBABLY 75 FEET BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY MOUTH AND WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW DRIVEWAY MOUTH HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THEY, YOU SAID THERE MAY BE MORE PARKING ALONG THAT IF, SO, IF THIS BUILDING WERE TO SLIDE 
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WEST TO MOVE IT AWAY FROM THIS EASEMENT, I THINK THE PROPENSITY AND THE EASY SOLUTIONS WOULD BE WANTING TO PUT A ROW OF PARKING HERE. 
          I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LEAVE THIS AS OPEN SPACE TO MAKE, TO SOFTEN THIS AREA, FIND WHATEVER GETS LOST OVER HERE. 
          THESE 14 SPACES FIND THEM , BUT HE'S ALSO A PART OF THAT THROUGH A, IT WOULD NOT BE, SO THERE IS THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS PAVEMENT. 
          WHERE ARE YOU SHOWING GREEN, BUT IT'S NOT VERY DEEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF GO, MR. JEFFRIES? SO LOOKING AT IT, JUST FROM RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE OUT THERE, AARON, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND OR DISCUSS, EVEN AS PUSHING THE BUILDING FARTHER WEST TO WHERE WE ALIGN IT UP WITH THOSE ISLANDS THAT YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT, WHICH WOULD MAKE A NATURAL CONNECTOR. 
          UM, BRETT STRAIGHT ABOVE YOUR HAND THERE. 
          YEP. 
          NOPE. 
          DOWN, RIGHT? THAT ONE TO YOUR RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. 
          BAD ISLAND. 
          IF WE ALIGN THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY END WITH THAT ISLAND THAT ALIGNS IT WITH THE ONE YOU HANDED US HERE WITH THAT NATURAL ROAD THAT IS THERE, THAT IF EVER NEEDED WOULD ACTUALLY BE ANOTHER, AN INTERNAL EASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROAD THAT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY FROM WAYNE TOWN OVER TO TAYLORSVILLE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD BE LOOKING AT BECAUSE IF WE EVER NEED THAT TO BE, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY. 
          SO IF WE EVER NEEDED THAT TO BECOME A ROAD OR BECOME A THOROUGH FARE OR AN INTERIOR ROAD, IF WE LAND LOCK IT, NOW WE CAN'T CHANGE IT LATER. 
          AND I THINK THAT ALSO FIXES THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS TOO. 
          WASN'T IT? IT WOULD. 
          SO, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING ON MY SIDE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SORRY. 
          COOL. 
          SO, UM, THE TREES, THE STREET TREES, YOU SAID WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY CARRY THEM THE REST OF THE WAY DOWN TAYLORSVILLE, BUT IS IT A REASONABLE ASK WALLETS OUT THERE THAT SOMEBODY PLANTS, WHAT, THREE MORE TREES TO FIX THAT TOO, DOWN TO THE ENTRY TO RURAL KING. 
          SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE APPLICANT. 
          WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TREES MAYBE, MAYBE, UM, WHILE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN THE PUD EXPANSION ON RURAL KING. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN DOING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO ERASE THE GREEN APPROVAL AND KEEP THE PURPLE APPROVAL. 
          SO THE GREEN WAS NEVER APPROVED. 
          IT JUST HAS OCCURRED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ERASE THAT MONDAY MORNING? WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, UH, GIVE IT A COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS. 
          IF THAT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN APPROVED, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH, YEAH. 
          BUT BASICALLY THE PURPLE THAT CAN, CAN DO A 90 DEGREE CHANGE AND EVERYTHING FITS AND THEN GIVEN THE SHAPE OF THE LOT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK FOR A LOT SPLIT, I MEAN, ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH RURAL KING ABOUT EXPECTATIONS FROM THEM SINCE WE'RE APPROVING INCOME TO THEM THAT MAYBE THEY POLISH UP THE PLACE A LITTLE. 
          SO, SO WE'VE NOT BEEN ANYTHING CONVERSATIONS WITH RURAL KING. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD. 
          UM, THIS, THIS I ASK, I MEAN, STRONGLY AND KURDISH SLASH AB REQUIRE. 
          UM, THIS LIE IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL, THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS HERE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I THINK THEY'RE BUYING, WHICH WE CAN, I MEAN, REDRAW THE LINES TO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE END. 
          RIGHT? YEP. 
          SO, WHICH MEANS IF WE HAVE TO PUSH THE BUILDING. 
          SO IF YOU CAN GO TO THE WHATEVER DRAWING YOU DID, YOU HAVE LIKE THIS ONE, KEEP GOING ONE THAT HAD MORE THAN A LOT IT'S IN OUR PACKET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UP THERE OR NOT. 
          THIS SHOWS THE LOT ENTIRELY. 
          NO, THE ONE THAT WAS SHOWED THE RURAL KING LOT. 
          SO THIS ONE AS THESE SPACES HERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO TO THE WEST, SO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THE SPOTS THAT WE DON'T SEE 
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IF WE PUSH THIS PARKING OR PUSH EVERYTHING FARTHER WEST, WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH ANYTHING IN THAT PARKING AREA THERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE RUNNING PERPENDICULAR ANYWAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT BASICALLY JUST TAKE RACE DRIVING. 
          IT WOULDN'T CAUSE ANY ISSUE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE, I THINK A MATTER OF RE STRIPING, THESE DON'T REALLY EXIST. 
          ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. 
          THE MOMENT I WOULD IMAGINE THE APPLICANT WOULD PROBABLY WANT THEIR NICE, SHINY NEW BUILDING TO HAVE A REASONABLE APPROACH FROM THE DRIVING INTO, FROM, FROM A CONDITION STANDPOINT. 
          I WONDER WHAT ACTUALLY, SO, AND THEN I DO HAVE, I GUESS A QUESTION ON THE SIX FOOT SIGN VERSUS, OR THE EIGHT VERSUS SIX. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE HELD PRETTY CONSISTENT TO THAT SIX FOOT REQUIREMENT. 
          I THINK OVER THE PAST, HOWEVER MANY YEARS NOW, IS THERE A REASON THAT WE SHOULD DEVIATE HERE OR OTHER THAN THE ASK BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENTLY ADHERED TO IT, STARBUCKS AND DISCOUNT TIRE AND EVERYBODY ELSE COMING SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COPY IS, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, UM, IF AT LEAST THE SIGNS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, WE HAVE NOT APPROVED ANY THAT HAVE BEEN OVER THE SIX FOOT. 
          UH, MY INSTRUCTIONS TO THE APPLICANT WERE ASK WHAT YOU WANT AND WE CAN, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDES. 
          AND I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE ON THE PARKING WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR BASICALLY HALF OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING WE NEED INSTEAD OF GETTING AN EASEMENT. 
          COULD WE JUST FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT LOT AGAIN, WHATEVER SIZE IT NEEDS THAT THEY OWN SO THAT WE CAN JUST HAVE IT BE THEIRS INSTEAD OF CROSS PARKING EASEMENTS. 
          BECAUSE AT THAT POINT TOO, IF ADD TO THE LOT, DOESN'T THAT ADD A LITTLE MORE GREENSPACE AND VEGETATION. 
          SO IN ORDER FOR, TO ACCOMMODATE 45 SPACES, THE LOT WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND FROM WHAT IT IS NOW, UH, INCLUDING THE BUFFER. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION YOU CAN POSE TO THE APPLICANT. 
          MY POINT IS THERE IS, THERE ARE SPACES TO GIVE WITHIN THE EXISTING, UH, RURAL KING LOT, WHICH WOULDN'T AFFECT THEM AT ALL. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD GET THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSEST UP HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I'VE HAD TO GO TO AN EMERGENCY CARE CENTER AT ALL, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WALKING ACROSS THE BIG SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT THEIR PARKING, INSTEAD OF JUST WHATEVER SPACES ARE AVAILABLE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE UP OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS JERRY ROYCE. 
          I'M AT 39 51 HAMMERSMITH LANE IN LOVELAND, OHIO FOUR OR 5, 1 4 0. 
          UM, I'M A PARTNER WITH BASIS COMPANIES AND WE DO SOME WORK WITH, UM, THE USER. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THIS AT THE SITE. 
          UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INTRODUCE THE TEAM. 
          WE BROUGHT UP SOME, SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, WE HAVE BRIAN DEAN AND DWIGHT YOUNG THEY'RE FROM HAMMIS HEALTH CARE. 
          UM, AND ALSO, UH, DIANA CONBOY SHE'S WITH, UH, PLANET SOLUTIONS. 
          SHE'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, PLANET STUDIOS, SHE'S WITH THE SIGNAGE COMPANY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UH, ANDY BAYLOW HE'S WITH APP ARCHITECTS. 
          HE'S GOING TO BE THE ARCHITECT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR FINISHES FOR THIS. 
          UM, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THE SCREENING AND THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HE NOTED THERE. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GIVE ALL THOSE DETAILS PROBABLY IN THE, IN THE JUNE TIMEFRAME WHEN WE COME BACK. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BRING THE TEAM UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS THERE. 
          UH, JIM, ABOUT THIS SITE, UH, WE WENT ROUND AND AROUND WITH RURAL KING AND WE DID TRY TO GET MORE ACREAGE WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS. 
          WE TRY TO GET 1.5 ACRES. 
          UM, THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH INTERNALLY AND THEY SAID, THE ONLY THING WE CAN GET YOU THE MOST, WE CAN GET YOU AS 1.1 ACRES. 
          SO WE, WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO BE IN CONTROL OF OUR PARKING. 
          SO INSTEAD OF THAT, THEY SAID, LISTEN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU WHATEVER PARKING YOU NEED BECAUSE OF CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT. 
          SO, UM, WE TRIED THAT AND THIS IS WHAT IT CAME OUT TO. 
          AND WE ASKED ABOUT THREE TIMES BECAUSE IT'S BETTER TO KIND OF CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY WITH THAT PARKING. 
          SO, UM, I WANT TO AT LEAST SHARE WITH YOU THE BACKGROUND OF THAT. 
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SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT AND WE'RE PLANNING ON BUYING AT THIS TIME. 
          SO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT WE TRIED. 
          SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DID YOU SIGN IN ON THE SHEET THAT'S PROVIDED THERE? IS THERE A SHEET THERE? OH, I THINK I TOOK THE PEN OR MAYBE IT'S IT'S UNDERNEATH YOUR HAIR. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFERY'S. 
          SO ON, ON THE DRAWING HERE, WHERE WE WERE TALKING WHERE I WAS SAYING ABOUT MOVING IT, EXCUSE ME, FURTHER WEST, WHICH WOULD BE UP ON THE PAGE THERE TO ALIGN WITH THOSE ISLANDS, WHICH MAKES MORE OF THAT NATURAL ROAD THAT WOULD PUSH YOUR PARKING FURTHER AS WELL, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME RESTRAINING ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          UH, NOT NECESSARILY TEARING OUT PAIN, BUT RE STRIPING, WHICH WOULD STILL GIVE YOU GUYS ACCESS TO THAT. 
          LET ME, UM, SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE HAD SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CLIENT. 
          THEY LET ME BRING THEM UP. 
          I, EVERYBODY BRIAN DEAN, UH, WITH AMIS WHERE THE CLIENT'S OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE I'LL SIGN THE SHEET RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE EASEMENT SPECIFICALLY AND YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT A STRUCTURE THERE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SO OUR DESIGNER DESIGNERS ONLY BEEN ON BOARD FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF GETTING THIS STARTED BEFORE WE REALLY ADDRESSED THAT. 
          BUT THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE THE UPDATED PACKAGE, YOU WILL SEE IT SHIFT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS, AS YOU GUYS TALK, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE, IF THE, I THINK IT'S, WE'LL CALL IT SOUTH, THAT THE SOUTH LINE OF THE BUILDING, IF THAT SHIFTS UP TO THE LINE PARALLEL WITH THAT A PLANNER THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE PARKING, YOU SEE THAT'S ON OUR SITE. 
          SO YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          WOULD THAT BE RE STRIPED POTENTIALLY FOR THIS ENGAGEMENT? W I WOULD, I THINK IF WE PUSH EVERYTHING UP ON THE PAGE, YOUR PARKING STRIPE WITH ISLAND AND STUFF, THAT'S, THERE IS GOING TO PUSH PROBABLY TO WHERE WE START AT THE GREEN LINE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WOULD PUT PART OF YOUR ISLAND INTO THE EXISTING PARKING OF RURAL KING, WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME RESTRAINING AS WELL, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE EASEMENT PARKING YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE USING ANYWAY. 
          IT SEEMS PRETTY CLOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          SO I THINK WITHOUT SPEAKING TOO MUCH FOR PUTTING THE CLIENT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING, I THINK THAT SEEMS LIKE KIND OF A SIMPLE ASK. 
          YEP. 
          THANKS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE SIX FOOT SIGN IS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          HI, I'M DIANA CONVOY AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CLIENT FOR THE SIGNAGE. 
          UM, WE HAVE DONE SOME DIFFERENT SIGNAGE PACKAGES FOR THIS CLIENT IN THE PAST. 
          AND FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY BEING AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, WE FELT THAT THE HIGHER EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN GIVES THAT MORE ATTENTION AS THE PATIENTS OR THE PATIENT'S FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS ARE BRINGING THEM INTO THE EMERGENCY CENTER. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THEIR, THEIR FOCUS ISN'T QUITE WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND BEING ABLE TO FIND THAT CENTER AND BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE RIGHT SPOT TO DRIVE IT. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, I PREPARED THIS GRAPHIC HERE AND THAT WAS BEFORE THEY HAD THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AND, UM, WAS REALLY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE THERE. 
          UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE, UH, IDENTIFYING OR PROPOSING TO PUT THAT GROUND SIGN, TO TRY TO AVOID THE EASEMENT. 
          UM, BUT ALSO NOT, UM, IN IMPEDE IN ANY OF THE PARKING THERE. 
          UM, WE WANT THAT SIGN TO BE ABLE TO REALLY BE SEEN FROM TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU HAD A VISUAL FROM THE BANK, I THINK MAYBE FROM THE INTERSECTION AND I BELIEVE THAT TOPOGRAPHY THERE DROPS OFF. 
          YES. 
          UM, I'LL SIGN YOUR SHEET WHILE HE'S FINDING YES. 
          DO YOU SEE HOW THE GRADE DROPS OFF? YOU CAN SEE IT'S A HILLSIDE THERE, THE SHADOWS OF THE TREES, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S A HILL THAT COMES DOWN TO THAT PARKING AREA. 
          SO OLD TROY PIKE AND THE TOP OF THAT FIFTH, THIRD BANK SIGN IS PROBABLY ALREADY EIGHT FEET ABOVE GRADE AT OUR SITE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST SIMPLY BE ROUGHLY SIMILAR, UM, AND STILL BE ABLE TO BE SEEN, UM, FROM OLD TROY PIKE SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THAT WAY, FINDING EXPERIENCE FOR THE PATIENT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENS THEN AS YOU'RE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS SIGN STICKING WAY UP IN THE SKY. 
          YES, YES. 
          UM, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS WE WOULD BE SETTING THAT SIGN BACK SO THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT ON TAYLORSVILLE SO THAT WE STILL HAD REALLY GOOD VISUALS UP AND DOWN THE STREET. 
          WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE 
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TO BE SEEN FROM THAT INTERSECTION. 
          UM, SO IT WAS JUST THE POSITION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE CURRENT TOPOGRAPHY IS WHAT WE FELT JUSTIFIED, THE HEIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM YES, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? THAT WAS THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I, I WOULD LET HER JEFFRIES GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING ON TO COUNCIL, RIGHT. 
          AS FAR AS OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NEXT TURN. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE FINAL DESIGN DOES HAVE US ADJUSTING THE BUILDING BACK TO A LINE FOR THAT NATURAL ROAD THAT IS THERE IN CASE WE EVER DO USE IT AS SUCH, JUST SO THAT WE'RE NOT LANDLOCKED IN THE FUTURE ON THAT ONE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A PROBLEM. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE NOTES AND I KNOW WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE DETAILED PHASES. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT IT OUT IN FRONT WHILE WE'RE AT IT. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS WHAT CAN WE DO TO NUDGE RURAL KING TO FIX THIS LOT BEFORE THIS LOT SPLIT COMES IN FRONT OF US OR BEFORE WE APPROVE THE LOT SPLIT, EVENTUALLY I KNOW WE'RE GETTING AHEAD. 
          I JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE SURPRISES OUT OF THE WAY. 
          RIGHT? LET ME HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DON, UM, TOMORROW TO SEE WHAT, IF THERE'VE BEEN ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS OR WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AS FAR AS WHAT'S REQUIRED MAINTENANCE WISE, ET CETERA, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY FOR OTHER THAN WHAT IS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECORD. 
          SO, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE GUYS ARE WILLING TO BUY ABOUT ANOTHER HALF ACRE IF THEY WANT TO LET THAT BE PART OF THE FIX OF FIXING THE LOT. 
          WHAT ELSE? UM, I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          UH, THOSE TWO CURB CUTS SO CLOSE TOGETHER, UH, AND IF EVERYTHING IS MOVED TO THE WEST, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP SOME, A FEW FEET. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST SPOT FOR, IF IT MAY BE, IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, LA UH, UH, CHANGED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, ENGINEERS WOULD KNOW BETTER ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO HAVE A GAS LINE OR SOMETHING. 
          THERE THAT'S AN ISSUE AS WELL. 
          THEY HAVE TO WORK AROUND THOSE TWO CURB CUTS RIGHT THERE TOGETHER IN THAT HIGH TRAFFIC AREA IS A, TO ME, IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY ALLOWING THAT SO WE CAN, UM, WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN, UM, MAKE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THE CITY ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THAT IT'S THAT THE CITY ENGINEER OR A SAFE DISTANCE YOU MEAN? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN SEE WOMEN'S MS. BARBARA SAYING, IF SOMEBODY IS PULLING OUT OF THE BANK TURNING RIGHT. 
          TRYING TO BEAT TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE LEFT THAT WE ALL KNOW HAPPENS, AND THEN YOU GOT SOMEBODY RIGHT THERE, TURN IT IN. 
          AND WE CAUSE AN ACCIDENT AT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT THAT I COULD SEE NOT BEING GOOD. 
          IS THERE ROOM TO PUT LIKE A DROP LANE IN YEAH. 
          WHAT EXACTLY IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE EMERGENCY? IF YOU HAVE A REAL EMERGENCY? YEAH. 
          DO THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN BY THE RURAL KING AREA? SO THERE WOULD REALLY BE THREE ENTRANCES. 
          UH, THERE IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS AN ENTRANCE HERE OFF OF ULTRA BIKE WHERE YOU WOULD COME DOWN IN THE END, THE EMPTY RIGHT. 
          AND RIGHT OUT IS APPROVED. 
          THERE WOULD BE A WRITING ENTRANCE TO THE SITE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A THIRD ENTRANCE DOWN HERE THAT YOU COULD GO UP AND AROUND ANY. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE TECHNICALLY THERE'S TWO. 
          NOW THERE WOULD BE THREE. 
          THERE'S REALLY ANOTHER FOUR, BUT IT'S PRETTY FAR UP THERE. 
          I ACTUALLY DID COME IN AT THE BOTTOM. 
          WHEN THERE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          YOU CAN TURN RIGHT WHERE THOSE PALLETS ARE AND THE NEXT ENTRANCE, THE CUTS RIGHT UP INTO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          ALSO, NOT THE, NOT THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE, BUT IF THE ONE YOU'RE POINTING UP, IF WE'RE ALL KING ACTION THERE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO WAY TO GET THROUGH HERE, BUT THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ACCESS. 
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SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH ON OLD TROY PIKE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A TURN ACROSS A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO GET IN THE, INTO THAT ENTRANCE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH, FROM THE NORTH THROUGH HERE. 
          AND, AND YOU GOT TO MAKE THAT TURN ACROSS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC, RIGHT? OH, YES, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I SAY SOMETHING? UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT CONSIDER ALSO IS FOR THE AMBULANCE DRIVER AS THEY'RE COMING IN, IF THE AMBULANCE DRIVERS COMING IN FROM TAYLORSVILLE AND USES THAT RIGHT IN, UM, THAT KEEPS THE AMBULANCE GOING ALONG THAT I GUESS IT'S SO HARD TO SAY WITH THIS BUILDING, WHAT THE BACKSIDE IS, BUT IT KEEPS IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC PARKING AREA BECAUSE THE AMBULANCE DRIVER IS DRIVING A VERY LARGE VEHICLE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THERE VERY QUICKLY. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN, THEY DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          THEY'RE OFTENTIMES A THIRD-PARTY CONTRACTED COMPANY. 
          UM, AND THE NEWEST GUY IS THE ONE THAT SITS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT CAUSE THE MORE EXPERIENCED GUYS ARE IN THE BACK. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE GOOD THING ABOUT HAVING THAT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON THAT BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING BACK THERE IS THAT KEEPS THAT AMBULANCE TRAFFIC FROM THE GENERAL PARKING LOT AREA. 
          SO THAT'S ONE THING I SEE AS BENEFICIAL OF HAVING THE ENTRANCE THERE AND HAVING A STRAIGHT SHOT TO THAT BACK ENTRANCE WHERE THE AMBULANCE NEEDS TO GO. 
          AND THE EMERGENCY ENTRANCES ON THE NORTH SIDE FOR THE PUBLIC, THE EMERGENCY, THE ENTRANCE THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE USING IS FROM THE TAYLORSVILLE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AMBULANCE? THE AMBULANCE IS FROM THE BACKSIDE THAT THE TOP OF THE GRAPHIC HERE, NORTH, THE NORTH SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MR. JEFFERSON, AND WHAT ARE THE SIX FOOT EIGHT FOOT SIGN? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THERE? I MEAN, I KNOW IF I'M DRIVING THERE, I'M LOOKING FOR THE BIG RED EMERGENCY LETTERS. 
          I THINK WE, FROM MY OPINION, I THINK WE SHOULD STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIX FOOT. 
          THAT'S BEEN OUR STANDARD AND I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH IT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ON OUR DECISION RECORD NOW OR NO, I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT AT THE DETAILED IN CASE THINGS CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A CHAT. 
          LET'S LEAVE THAT FOR THE DETAILED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE KNOW IT'S WE KNOW, I THINK I'M HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING, BUT I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT NECESSARILY A STANDARD ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING. 
          THIS IS JUST THE BASIC CORRECT. 
          SO WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          NO DISCUSSION. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HARTMAN ONE, LLC, FOR THE APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PLAY INTO OFFICE PO TO CONSTRUCT AN EMERGENCY FACILITY, EMERGENCY MEDICAL FACILITY AND PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76, 11 OLD TROY PIKE, PARCEL NUMBER P 70 DASH 0 4 0 0 5 DASH 0 1 4 0 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS CASE BD P R Z 22 DASH 13 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 6TH, 2022. 
          AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY. 
          MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL? I MADE THE NOTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MS. FARGO. 
          YES. 
          MR. JEFFRIES. 
          YES. 
          MS. THOMAS. 
          YES. 
          MR. WALTON. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO. 
          WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THE, UH, WE WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UM, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, HOW SOON THE DECISION TO MOVE THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING. 
          IF IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG DECISION, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL, UH, WITH THE REZONING AND, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS. 
          THE NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL, BUT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICANT IS PARVEEN WATERWALL AND IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A COMMERCIAL LOT ZONING CASE. 
          UH, MJC 22 DASH 14. 
          MR. . 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME SWITCH HERE. 
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OKAY. 
          SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO BREAK THIS INTO KIND OF TWO CONVERSATIONS. 
          UM, THE MAJOR CHANGE IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN THE APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WHICH SORT OF HOW I HAVE IT BROKEN OUT IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO BASIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I WILL SAY, UH, THE SET OF PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED HAVE BEEN BY FAR THE MOST COMPLETE SET OF PLANS, UH, AND WELL DONE OF ANY, UH, APPLICATION THAT I'VE COME ACROSS SO FAR. 
          YES. 
          KUDOS TO THEM. 
          UH, SO THE SITE IS 1.46 ACRES. 
          UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE YOU APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN, ON NOVEMBER 9TH FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LAUNDRY MAT AND A CONVENIENCE STORE. 
          UM, THE SURROUNDING AREAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT WAS REZONED EVENT TO PLAN COMMERCIAL, THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING THE MAJOR CHANGE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REALLY TO BROADEN THE POTENTIAL USES, UM, OF POTENTIAL PERMITTED USES, UM, THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE REZONING ORDINANCE, LIMITED IT TO A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A LAUNDROMAT. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, LOOKING FOR THREE BAYS. 
          SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL TENANT SPACES RATHER THAN A CONVENIENCE STORE AND ONE TENANT SPACE. 
          AND THEN ALSO, AS I SAID, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO HERE'S THE SITE IT'S, UH, WELL, WE'RE HERE, IT'S JUST DOWN THE STREET. 
          UM, THIS ONE IS TOUGH TO SEE, BUT THIS WAS THE BASIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A 7,200 SQUARE FOOT, UM, RETAIL, UM, BUILDING NOTHING HAS CHANGED. 
          THE BUILDING SIZE IS THE SAME. 
          UM, THERE ISN'T ANOTHER BAY. 
          UH, THEY JUST DID ORIGINALLY. 
          IT WAS TWO RETAIL SPACES. 
          THEY'VE DIVIDED ONE OF THE RETAIL SPACES INTO TWO. 
          SO NOW THERE'S THREE, UM, THREE RETAIL SPACES. 
          PARKING'S THE SAME SETBACKS ARE THE SAME EVERYTHING ELSE AT THE SAME. 
          UM, HERE IS SORRY. 
          HERE IS THE, UH, HERE'S THE BUILDING, UH, THE ENTRANCE RIGHT OFF OF, UH, TAYLORSVILLE. 
          UH, THE PARKING IS MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UH, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT, THAT EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONING CODE. 
          UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING ALONG THE PERIMETER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          UH, THE STREET TREES, UM, ARE CLOSER THAN 40 FOOT ON CENTER. 
          UM, THE STORMWATER RETENTION IS, IS AN UNDERGROUND PIPING SYSTEM THAT IS, UH, IN FRONT OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          SO THERE IS NOT A, A DETENTION POND SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, SO HERE ARE THE THREE BAYS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          SO THIS IS THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          THERE IS A RETAIL SPACE, ONE RETAIL SPACE TO THESE, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE DRIVE UP WINDOW. 
          UH, AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL IT'S A MASONARY BUILDING. 
          THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION WITH THE DRIVE-UP WINDOW. 
          THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION. 
          IT'S NOT MUCH TO IT, IT'S A REAR ELEVATION. 
          UH, ONE THING TO NOTE THAT ALL THE MECHANICALS ARE IN THE ROOF. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL SCREENED. 
          THERE ARE NO MECHANICALS ONSITE. 
          UM, THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW SCREENED GARBAGE OR TRASH RECEPTACLES PER CODE. 
          THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH THESE SETBACK AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES. 
          SO A 75 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT PARKING SETBACK IN THE FRONT, UM, A 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK JOINING THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE REAR SETBACK. 
          UH, THE PARKING IS, UM, THERE'S 31 SPACES REQUIRED BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING 31 SPACES. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UH, SCREENING, UH, ALONG THE REAR, UH, IT IS, IS TO CODE. 
          SO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETS OR EXCEEDS ALL OF THESE. 
          THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, UM, BROADEN THE PERMITTED USES. 
          SO THE CURRENT PARKING STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THE SPECIALTY RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, THE SPECIALTY FOOD, THE PERSONAL SERVICE, THE COMMERCIAL CENTER AND SHOPPING CENTER STANDARDS. 
          UM, STAFF FEELS THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          IF WE BROADEN THESE USES TO ENCOMPASS, UH, ADDITIONAL RETAIL, UH, OR COMMERCIAL, 
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AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, NOW YOU MAY WANT TO LIMIT, YOU KNOW, THE USES TO SAY LIKE NO FOOD OR BEVERAGE, BUT THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. 
          BUT OUR VIEW IS AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, NOT SURE REALLY MATTERS AS LONG AS IT FALLS IN THAT RETAIL COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. 
          THERE SHOULD BE VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST TASK AT HAND IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UM, AMENDING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BROADEN THE USES. 
          AND I NEED TO, ALL RIGHT, YOUR PIZZA MAN IS HERE FOR SOME REASON, OH, PIZZA DELIVERY, EVERYBODY ORDER PIZZA. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT, I CAN GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE, IT MEETS ALL OF THE BASIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR USE, UH, AND IT MEETS OR EXCEEDS ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS. 
          SO WITHIN THE GENERAL PROVISIONS, UH, THERE ARE MORE STREET TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          UTILITY SCREENING IS CORRECT. 
          THE LIGHTING STANDARDS ARE MET. 
          THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS ARE MET, UH, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING, INCLUDING THE INTERIOR PARKING, UM, IS MET. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UH, MAN PARKING AND LOADING CIVIL ENGINEER HAD A FEW COMMENTS. 
          UM, ONE WAS TO WIDEN THE ENTRANCE ON TAYLORSVILLE TO BE 36 FEET WIDE THAT WOULD ALLOW ONE IN AND TWO OUT, UM, CONNECT ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN THE REST ARE MOSTLY HAS STANDARD COMMENTS CONNECTING THE BUILDINGS, UH, DOWNSPOUTS THE CATCH BASINS. 
          UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL EASEMENT FOR THE, FOR THE SEWER, BUT, UH, THESE ARE ALL DETAILED STUFF THAT WILL GET ADDRESSED IN, UH, IN PERMITTING. 
          UM, OUR VIEW IS THAT WE FEEL THAT A BROADER, UM, SPECTRUM OF PERMITTED USES MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, GIVEN THE LIMITED USES THAT WERE APPROVED, UM, AS LONG AS THOSE USES CONFORM TO THE PARKING STANDARDS, UM, AS FAR AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE ONLY WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, THE ONLY, UM, CONDITION WOULD THAT, IS THAT THE PLAN BE AMENDED TO ADDRESS THE ENGINEERS, UM, EASEMENT AND DOWNSPOUT CONNECTION ISSUES. 
          OH, IN THE DRIVEWAY WITH OF TAYLORSVILLE. 
          OTHERWISE THIS IS A WELL-DEVELOPED SET OF PLANS AND THIS ONE WAS EASY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, OKAY. 
          HE HA HE HAS TO IN SPOTS THAT WILL BE FOR RENT THOSE AS LONG AS THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT EXISTS AT THAT TIME, THOSE WILL NOT COME BEFORE US AGAIN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS A BUILDING THAT WILL BE A STORE AND TWO RENTAL SPACES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS LONG AS THE USE FOR THOSE RENTAL SPACES AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING CONFORMS TO THE PARKING, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT AGAIN, IT WOULD JUST BE APPROVED THROUGH A TRADITIONAL ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I DID NOT LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT IS ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ESSENTIALLY A RESIDENTIAL AREA? SO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, OR I GUESS I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE USES BE, UM, LIMITED TO THE CATEGORY OF, UM, LET ME FIND IT KIND OF THE, THE S THE RETAIL, THE FOOD STORES, THE PERSONAL SERVICE, THE CONVENIENCE TYPE USES, UH, AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, ALL OFFICE SPACES USE LESS REQUIRED, LESS PARKING THAN IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          UM, I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION MAYBE THAT, THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, AND EVEN, I THINK A SMALL RESTAURANT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY, AS LONG AS THE PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED, STILL FITS WITHIN, UM, WITH THIS. 
          NOW, IF THEY WANTED TO EVER ADD ANOTHER DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW, THEN ALL THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. 
          BUT, UM, OTHERWISE THERE ARE, THERE ARE FEW USES THAT I, THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE TO, IN MY VIEW, WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, UM, GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT COULD BE A BEAUTY SALON, A TATTOO SHOP. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE WOULD, WOULD FALL UNDER PERSONAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT. 
          UM, A BARBERSHOP MAY REQUIRE, UH, MORE PARKING THAN IT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS, UH, ALLOCATED WE WOULD 
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HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE. 
          SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS, REQUIRES SO MUCH. 
          AND THEN THE BAYS THAT YOU USE WOULD HAVE TO FIT IN THE BALANCE OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE PARKING. 
          SO THE PARKING LIMITATION ITSELF DOES LIMIT THE TYPE OF USES THAT ARE UNDER THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING, BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAST OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WILL HAVE TO ELIMINATE ANYTHING THAT WE FEEL WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IF YOU DO, IF THERE ARE USES THAT YOU WOULD NOT TO, LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE HERE, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE PROHIBITED USES IN THE TEXT THAT WE WRITE UP. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, WE ALL LIKED THE OTHER ORIGINAL AND THE PLAN COMMERCIAL CONCEPT, WE THOUGHT WERE TWO GOOD USES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK, WELL, THE APPLICANTS HERE AND CAN TALK ABOUT WHY THE LAUNDRY MAT, BECAUSE THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS STILL MOVING FORWARD. 
          IT'S THE LAUNDRY METHOD IS NOW PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO IS THERE A, I GUESS WHEN WE, IF WE TALK ABOUT PROHIBITED USES, IS THERE A TYPE OR A GROUP OF CLASS THAT WE SHOULD TOSS IN THERE TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS IN A VERY RESIDENTIAL AREA AS WELL. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BASED ON THE SURROUNDINGS OR TRAFFIC, UH, BY DESIGN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WOULD BE IN THIS WOULD COME BEFORE YOU, AGAIN, IS IF THEY WERE TO WANT TO PUT LIKE A SECOND DRIVE-THROUGH IN, WHICH WOULD BE A LARGER TRAFFIC GENERATOR. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD COME, COME TO YOU BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN I GUESS, DO WE, I GUESS, WHERE DID, WHERE WOULD WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALSO? SO LIKE WE HAVE CARRY OUT ALCOHOL, BUT FROM, IF IT WERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOES HAVE AN, I SAY A LIQUOR LICENSE TO TURN INTO A BAR HANGOUT INSTEAD, EVEN IF IT WAS CALLED A RESTAURANT, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? SO THAT IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE IF THE STATE GRANTS A ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION LICENSE ZONING, THE STATE TRUMPS ZONING ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT ONE, THE THAT'S, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE AN OPTION THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING A CONCERN FROM A RESIDENT STANDPOINT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          I MISSED THE KIDS THERE. 
          UM, NOW WE COULD, UH, WE COULD LIMIT IT TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, FOOD SALES, BUT AGAIN, IF THE STATE GRANTS A LIQUOR LICENSE, UM, OUR, OUR LIMIT, WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          WE CAN'T CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          IF THEY'RE GRANTED THE ABILITY TO SELL TILL 2:00 AM. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH THAT'S GETS BACK INTO THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTS ON BEING THE CONCERN, AS FAR AS THE TYPES OF USE. 
          AGAIN, THE OTHER WAY BEFORE PLAYING COMMERCIAL WAS NICE AND CLEAN. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS, AND NOW IF WE APPROVE IT AND OH, SHOOT, DIDN'T THINK OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE GET SOME UPSET RESIDENTS, I GUESS THAT'S THE PART THAT I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON IT, SO WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD BASICALLY PROHIBIT RESTAURANTS, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU FELT WOULD BE NECESSARY. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD. 
          I JUST, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A SUBWAY IN THERE, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT CLASSIFIED IN THAT WITH THE LIQUOR SALES, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN THAT THE STATE REALLY DOES HANDCUFF US ONCE THAT LIQUOR LICENSE IS GRANTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THEN IT COULD BE WHOEVER INSTEAD OF SUBWAY AND RIGHT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S MY WORRY ON ANY KIND OF BUSINESS OF WHAT BEING JUST OPEN, HEY, WE'RE RIGHT UP HERE AGAINST HOUSES, INSTEAD OF IN A, SAY A STRIP PLAZA OR A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S A, I THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO HOMEWOOD CONDOS AND APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE BEST TO ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR MARKET STUDY IS SHOWING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHY THE CHANGE FROM THE LAUNDROMAT WHEN, WHEN I TALKED TO THEM, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ISSUE. 
          THE LAUNDROMAT MARKET JUST ISN'T, THERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          IT IS NOW PLAYING COMMERCIAL. 
          THE ZONING WAS CHANGED, BUT THE ZONING ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THIS MR. BEING MAJOR CHANGE, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO CANADA. 
          SO AS WELL, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF, UH, IF THE, IF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE OR FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT CHANGES IS APPROVED, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED, WE WOULD HOLD OFF ON ISSUING ANY PERMITS UNTIL THE COUNCIL WEIGHED IN ON THE, UM, MAJOR CHANGE. 
          AND IF IT WAS APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS IF IT WAS NOT, THEN, UM, WE WOULD LIKELY BE COMING BACK HERE FOR ANOTHER DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW. 
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SO, SO ARE WE ASKING FOR RESTRICTIONS NOW OR WAITING UNTIL AFTER IT COMES BACK, IT GOES THROUGH COUNCIL. 
          YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO ASK THEM NOW BECAUSE WE WOULD BE WRITING, WE WOULD BE REWRITING THE ZONING LEGISLATION. 
          WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY AS FAR AS THE USAGE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO LIMIT, OKAY. 
          JANE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I'M NOT SURE. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          I, I KNOW THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR COULD BE OKAY, BUT THEN ARE WE OPENING THE DOOR FOR THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BE OKAY? THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          AND THAT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE FUTURE, ENLIGHTENED ME ON LIQUOR LICENSE PERMIT USES, UH, YOU SAY THAT'S THE STATES TRUMP'S OFFICE. 
          UH, DOESN'T COUNCIL STILL HAVE A SAY AND, AND, AND DEALING WITH THE STATE WHO WOULD GET A LIQUOR LICENSE. 
          SO, UM, EVERY YEAR THE STATE, UM, SOLICITS OBJECTIONS AND, UM, YEAH, AND I WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THEM. 
          UM, SO THE, THE, THE CITY, THE WAY TO DO IT RIGHT, IS THE CITY IS VERY JUDICIOUS ON WHICH ONES THEY OBJECT TO BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CRY WOLF BECAUSE THE STATE WON'T CARE. 
          UM, SO TYPICALLY THOSE LICENSES THAT ARE OBJECTED TO ARE THE ONES WHERE THE POLICE HAVE THE MOST CALLS, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE ILLEGAL GAMBLING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, THAT'S AFTER THE, AND, AND THE, THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO OBJECT, TO NEW LIQUOR LICENSES, UM, BASED ON WHO THE APPLICANT IS, IF THEY HAVE A FELONY RECORD OR IF THEY HAVE, UM, HISTORY OF, OF NOT BEING A GREAT OPERATOR. 
          UM, BUT THE TYPE THAT IS AWARDED IS BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT APPLIES FOR. 
          IT'S ALSO BASED ON THE CAP THAT IS AVAILABLE BASED ON POPULATION. 
          UM, SO I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY WERE AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, I'M SURE THE APPLICANT KNOWS. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT IS, AGAIN, ANOTHER CONVERSATION I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK, ASK THEM, BUT THE CITY DOES ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO OBJECT, BUT THEY USE A BARRIER SPARINGLY BECAUSE LIQUOR IS A HUGE REVENUE GENERATOR FROM THE STATE. 
          AND SO THEY ARE, UM, CAUTIOUS IN PULLING THOSE LICENSES. 
          I COULD SAY YOU COULD ALMOST FORGET ABOUT IT BECAUSE EVEN IF, EVEN IF, AS I CAN ONLY REMEMBER ONE TIME THAT THIS COUNSEL OBJECTED AND IT WAS FOREVER EVEN TO GET TO GET IT, IT WASN'T THE FIRST TIME THEY OBJECTED, BUT THAT THE OBJECTION WAS UPHELD. 
          IT HAS TO BE A PRETTY EGREGIOUS OPERATOR FOR THEM, FOR THE STATE TO PULL A LICENSE. 
          MR. JEFFERS. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING BLIND ON WHAT COULD GO THERE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY COULD BE GREAT, BUT WE COULD HAVE FEARS OR WHATEVER. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING AROUND THE LIMITATION OF HOURS, REGARDLESS OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING, AGAIN, BEING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD HELP GUARD SOME OF IT SO THAT IF YOU KNOW, IT WAS, THAT HAPPENED TO BE A BAD ACTOR. 
          IT WASN'T THERE ALL NIGHT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, OWNING THE CONVENIENCE STORE. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT COULD COME UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MINUTES, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          SO I DIDN'T ASK THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, CLOSING AT MIDNIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS, 11 O'CLOCK DURING THE WEEK WEEKDAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THEIR BUSINESS. 
          UH, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONE TO, TO ASK THEM. 
          AND WHILE HE, THE APPLICANT'S TALKING, I WILL SKIM AGAIN THROUGH THE, THE LIST OF USES AND SEE IF I SEE SOMETHING THAT IS OBJECTIVE, THAT I WOULD THINK IS OBJECTIONABLE. 
          I'LL BRING IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, MY NAME IS . 
          I LIVE IN 29, 46 IDLE DRIVE. 
           VIABLE. 
          AND I'M HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU START, UH, YOU AND YOUR PARTNER, UH, WHAT NOT SWORN IN. 
          SO I NEED TO SWEAR YOU BOTH IN, IF HE'S WISHING TO SPEAK, THOUGH. 
          UM, DO YOU HEAR BY, YEAH. 
          RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, CONTINUE ON, SORRY 
          [01:05:01]
FOR THE INTERRUPTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ON THIS. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE SUBMIT THE BASIC DELMAR PLAN WITH CONVENIENCE STORE IN LAUNDROMAT, BUT THEN WE DID THE SURVEY ABOUT THE LAUNDROMAT AND A LAUNDROMAT IS NOT A GOOD BUSINESS AROUND HERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOT THE LAUNDRY MACHINE IN YOUR HOME. 
          YOU, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE LAUNDROMAT, THEY ARE ALREADY EXISTS ON ONE IS ON 2 0 1 AND ONE IS ON TWO OR TWO ARE IN LOSS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO NOT, THEY ARE NOT DOING GOOD BUSINESSES. 
          AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING SPOT, EVEN LAUNDROMAT, I THINK USES MORE PARKING SPOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO STAY THERE, DO THEIR LAUNDRY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE RETAIL THEY'RE IN AND OUT, AND I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING INTO THIS. 
          YES. 
          WE SUBMITTED THIS AS A CONVENIENCE STORE AND TWO OF THE BOXES BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO RENT IT OUT THOSE SPACES. 
          IF WE DID NOT THINK ABOUT ANY OF THE BUSINESS OURSELVES. 
          SO IF YOU GUYS ALLOW US, LIKE WE PUT THAT HALF AND HALF IN THERE, WHATEVER THE LEFTOVER SPACES, BUT IF ANYBODY COME FOR, LIKE, THEY WANT 2,500 SQUARE FOOT IS SO WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT AND WE CAN RENT IT OUT THE BALANCE LEFTOVER. 
          SO THAT'S ALSO, I WANT TO ADD INTO THAT DETAILED WELDMENT PLAN. 
          AND THE OTHER THING, EVEN WE DIDN'T KNOW WAS GOING TO COME AS YOU GUYS ARE SURPRISING, LIKE WHO'S GOING TO COME HERE. 
          AND I LIKED THAT IDEA IF WE STICK THAT TO LIKE OURS. 
          SO ARE YOU THINKING LIKE THE BAR DOESN'T COME HERE BECAUSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU AND I DON'T WANT THAT. 
          IF I LIVE HERE, I DON'T WANT THAT. 
          ZOE KIND OF STICK TO IT. 
          LIKE OUR CONVENIENCE STORE HOURS ARE LIKE, I HAVE GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE. 
          SO IN SUMMERTIME WE CLOSED THAT 12 IN WINTERTIME BECAUSE AT 11. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO STICK IT TO MIDNIGHT, YOU KNOW, BAR CLOSES AT TWO O'CLOCK, THREE O'CLOCK. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT TO, I CAN HAVE WHOLE PLAZA TIMING FROM SIX TO 12. 
          SO THEN THERE'S NO BAR GOING TO COME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN MIND FOR THOSE TWO VACANT SPACES RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYONE, EVEN, EVEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING TO LIKE A FOOD INDUSTRY, LIKE A PIZZA STORE HAS A DELIVERY. 
          SO I TRY, UH, CAESARS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE VERY QUICK IN END GOAL, THEY ARE READY, BUT THEY ARE 2.9 MILES FROM HERE AND THEY DON'T GIVE OUT ANOTHER FRANCHISEE WITHIN THREE MILES. 
          SO I WILL SEARCH MYSELF AND OTHER FRANCHISEE. 
          THAT KIND OF WHICH ONE IS NEIGHBORHOOD USE? YES, MS. WHEN I WANT SOMETHING TO COME HERE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A LIKE HIGHWAY OR THIS, THIS IS ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          EVEN, I LIKE TO OPEN UP A NEW BUSINESS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY MIND. 
          WHAT'S GOING TO COME. 
          BUT AS YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, YES, A LONG SHARP NAIL SHOP, I THINK WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START BUILDING UP, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO RENT THE SPACE, BUT THE, I CANNOT SAY WHICH BUSINESS GOING TO COME. 
          SO, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT LIKE 12 O'CLOCK CLOSING AS A COMMERCIAL USE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE, I THINK, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          MS. BARGAIN TO COME HERE. 
          UM, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD THERE BECAUSE THAT'S AN AREA THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CHILDREN AND I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT BARS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT IN ORDER TO EVEN GET THERE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE, UM, YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE A MASSAGE PARLOR. 
          WELL, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD BUSINESSES TO HAVE, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME IN THIS CITY THAT HAVE BEEN NOT SO GOOD. 
          AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHENEVER YOU'RE RENTING TO SOMEONE, UH, HOW THAT, THAT MIGHT TURN OUT. 
          AND I, I WISH I HAD GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE ALOUD. 
          I DIDN'T DO THAT, UM, BUSINESSES TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE ARE SOME THERE THAT WE NEED TO ELIMINATE BECAUSE THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE OWNER OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          [01:10:01]
UH, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK LONG-TERM AT THE POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE, MR. SORROW. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE, THE PR PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USES THE ONE THAT STRIKES ME AS PROBABLY PROBLEMATIC THAT'S PERMITTED IS THE SWEEP STAKES CAFES. 
          UM, THE STATE OUTLAW, THOSE ARE A WHILE AGO, BUT I SEE THEM CREEPING INTO LOWER RENT, UM, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS NOW AS, AS A WAY TO FILL SPACE. 
          UH IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY A, A GAMBLING OPERATION. 
          SO THAT IS THE ONE THAT I WOULD STRIKE, UM, MARIJUANA EVER. 
          W I DON'T THINK YOU ALLOW MARIJUANA WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, I WAS JUST LOSING, DOING THE, THE PARKING COUNT CALCULATION, UM, WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE TAKING UP, UM, UH, HALF OF THE SPACE. 
          UM, YOU COULD PUT ONE RESTAURANT IN, BUT THAT WOULD BE IT. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE TWO USES AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU HIT YOUR PARKING CAP, BUT I WOULD STRIKE SWEEPSTAKES CAFES AS A PROHIBITED, JUST IN GENERAL. 
          AND I THINK ON THE MARIJUANA USES, WE HAVE A MORATORIUM AGAINST THAT. 
          I THINK ALREADY THE CITY FOR NOW CAN ALWAYS GO AWAY. 
          IT'S STILL ALIVE, I THINK, OH YEAH. 
          THEN THE DISCUSSION WITH FEDERALLY, BUT AS FAR AS STORES, SMOKE SHOPS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SMOKE AND IT'S LEGAL, BUT IS IT A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE IT SO CONVENIENT FOR KIDS TO, TO, UH, TO GO TO? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DO THINK REALISTICALLY, THE PARKING LIMITATION IS REALLY GOING TO DRIVE THE LIMITS OF ABUSES THERE ON THIS BUILDING, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SCRATCH SWEEPSTAKES CAFES AS A PERMITTED TO USE THE OTHER PERMITTED USES OUTSIDE OF RETAIL OFFICE OR PERSONAL SERVICE W NO WAY THEY WOULD MAKE THE PARKING, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD MAKE THE PARKING CUT. 
          SO IT JUST THAT SITE JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. 
          SO IF WE EXCLUDE SWEEPSTAKES AND HOURS, NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO PRETTY MUCH BLOCK AS MUCH AS WE'RE AFRAID OF. 
          I WOULD SAY MIDNIGHTS BEING VERY GENEROUS, BUT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF RESTAURANT AREA. 
          WELL, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SHUT HIM DOWN ON HIS CONVENIENCE STORE ANY SOONER THAN MIDNIGHT. 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, MR. OR IS IT 7,200 SQUARE FEET OR ARE WE LOOKING AT THE 76 80 NOW? THAT IS A MISTAKE THAT I DID, UH, FORGOT TO DELETE. 
          THE 76 80 IS A DISCOUNT TIRE. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          I CAUGHT THAT. 
          SURE. 
          YUP. 
          NO, IT'S 7,200 SQUARE FEET THAT HAS NOT CHANGED ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE AND HEARING? NO ONE WILL CLOSE THAT PART OF THE ZONING CASE EVERYBODY WOULD EVERYBODY GOOD. 
          DOES HE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS IN THERE FOR THE RESTRICTIONS? THE THAT'D BE NUMBER THREE ON THE PLANNING DECISION RECORD, I'M LISTENING TO, UM, MAKE OUR OUT OR MAKE THE HOURS NOT TO EXTEND IT PAST 12 MIDNIGHT AND THEN THE SLEEP STATE. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND IF YOU WOULD TELL ME HOW YOU WORDED THAT I LOST HOW YOU WERE. 
          UH, SO, UM, PROHIBITIVE USES WILL BE A SWEEPSTAKES CAFE, UH, AND THEN OPERATION HOURS. 
          UM, MICHELLE B FROM WHAT 7:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD BETTER. 
          SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE WERE WORKING BY FIVE, 5:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION ON THAT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY, NOT TO REOPEN THE DISCUSSION, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE HOURS THINKING THAT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOURS FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, GIVEN THE CONVENIENCE STORE NATURE ITSELF, IS THAT ONE THAT SHOULD HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS OR ARE WE LUMPING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AS DOES MIDNIGHT WORK FOR YOU ON THE CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL FROM AN HOUR STANDPOINT? AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD ADD IN THERE, YOU KNOW, SWEEPSTAKES OR ANY ILLICIT BUSINESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALREADY EXCLUDED IT. 
          SHOULDN'T BE, I THOUGHT IT WAS OTHER 80 AND THERE'S SOMEWHERE MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT JANET BROUGHT UP. 
          AND, AND, UM, DID WE ADDRESS THE LIGHTING PACKAGE THAT 
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IT DOES NOT EXTEND INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? YEAH, SO I LOOKED AT THE PLANT, THE PHOTOMETRICS AND IT IS IT'S ON SPOT THAT, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE MOST COMPLETE PACKAGE THAT I'VE REVIEWED SO FAR. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? PARVEEN WATERWATCH I'LL GET THAT STRAIGHT CLOSE FOR THE APPROVAL MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 7,200 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL, COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND PROPERTY LOCATED AT 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD PARCEL NUMBER PIECE 70 DASH 0 4 0 0 5 DASH. 
          THERE ARE SIX OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY OHIO RECORDS CASE MJC DDP 22 DASH 14 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 6TH, 2022. 
          AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO A MOTION BY MS. THOMAS SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL MR. VARGO. 
          YES. 
          MR. JEFFRIES. 
          YES. 
          MS. THOMAS. 
          YES. 
          MR. WALLEN. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO. 
          WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, SO WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT IS, UM, WE WILL, UM, WE'LL FORWARD THE AMENDMENT, UH, CHANGE TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, THAT MEETING, I WILL CALL YOU WITH A MEETING DATE, BUT IT'LL BE MIDNIGHT. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          THE NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE APPLICANT HALE, UH, PROPERTIES LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO AN APPROVED DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR DISCOUNT TIRE ZONING CASE MJC 22 DASH 15. 
          MR . 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, THIS IS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO YOUR DECISION, WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE FINAL DECISION TONIGHT. 
          SO IT IS A 1.15 ACRES ZONING PLAN COMMERCIAL. 
          UH, IT IS THE BROAD STREET DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE ORIGINAL DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON SEPTEMBER 28 LAST YEAR. 
          SO THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A MAJOR CHANGE BECAUSE THEY ARE ADDING A BAY AND INCREASING THE BUILDING SIZE FROM 7,020 SQUARE FEET TO 76 80. 
          UH, AND AT THE LAST, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER, THERE WAS NO SIGN PACKAGE THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          SO WE ARE HERE TO APPROVE THE SIGNED PACKAGE AS WELL. 
          HERE IS ROUGHLY THE SITE, UH, ALONG, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE. 
          UH, AGAIN, JUST UP THE STREET, THIS IS THE BROAD, UM, THIS IS THE, THE PUD, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THIS IS THE SITE FOR WHERE THE, THE TIRE STORE IS BEING, UM, SITED. 
          THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UH, SO A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, TIRE STORE, UH, WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING. 
          UM, TH THE BAYS ARE HERE ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, CUSTOMER ENTRANCES HERE ON THE WEST SIDE FACING, UH, OLD TROY PIKE. 
          UH, WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE BUILDING AGAIN HAS GOTTEN LARGER. 
          THIS PARKING, UH, GETS ELIMINATED, UH, AND THE HANDICAP SPACES MOVED TO THE PARKING TO THE WEST. 
          UH, THE SPACES ALSO GET WIDER. 
          UM, SO THE SPACE IS NOW CONFORMED TO THE, UM, TO THE ZONING CODE. 
          SO HERE'S THE REVISED PLAN. 
          UH, STREET TREES ARE STILL HERE ALONG THE OLD TOWARD PIKE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE SHIFT OF, UH, HANDICAP SPACES. 
          THERE ARE NOW BLUE FOUR BAYS. 
          UM, THE PARKING SPACES HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT WIDER. 
          THERE'S ONLY TWO SPACES NEXT TO THE, TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. 
          UH, THERE ARE TWO STREET TREES THAT HAVE, UH, HAVE BEEN REMOVED HERE ON THE TWO LANDSCAPE, UH, AND GAPS. 
          SO THE REVISED PLAN IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OPPOSED OR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, THERE WAS, UH, ONE BAY THAT WAS ADDED AND THE PARKING IS NOW REDUCED FROM 39 SPACES TO 30 SPACES. 
          UH, UNDER THE ZONING CODE, ONLY NINE SPACES ARE REQUIRED. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPING IS VERY SIMILAR. 
          THERE ARE TWO LESS PARKING LOT TREES, BUT THE, THE, UH, PLAN STILL STILL MEETS CODE. 
          UM, THERE WERE, THE SIGNS WERE NEVER APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE THREE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WALL SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED. 
          UM, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 246 
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TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WALL SIGN. 
          THE MAIN SIGN IS 114 SQUARE FEET. 
          THERE ARE TWO MINOR SIGNS THAT ARE, UM, 66 SQUARE FEET EACH. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS, UH, SIGN PACKAGES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, MET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO, UH, THE ZONING, AGAIN, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SO YOU HAVE GREAT FLEXIBILITY, BUT THE SIGN CODE SUGGESTS THAT, UH, NO ONE WALL SIGNED TO BE LARGER THAN 75 SQUARE FEET WITH AN AGGREGATE OF 150 SQUARE FOOT OF SIGN OF WALL SIGNS, POPEYE'S AND DUNKIN DONUTS THAT WE APPROVED A MONTH AND A HALF AGO MET THAT CRITERIA. 
          HOWEVER, THOSE BUILDINGS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER. 
          THEY'RE NEARLY HALF THE SIZE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          SO A LARGER WALL SIGN ALLOCATION MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          GIVEN THE BUILDING SIZE, I WILL SAY WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM HUBRIS CODE COMPARED TO A LOT OF, AT LEAST MORE MODERN CODES IS YOUR WALL SIGNAGE AS A PROPORTION OF THE BUILDING SIZE SO THAT THE WALL SIGNS ARE PROPORTIONAL AND YOU DON'T GET ONE THAT LOOKS TOO BIG OR TOO SMALL. 
          SO A LARGER WALL FACE GETS A LARGER WALL SIGN. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT HUBRIS CODE SAYS YOU VERSUS YOU GET A CAPPED AMOUNT. 
          THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION OR THE FACE THAT WILL FRONT OLD TROY PIKE. 
          THIS IS THE LARGER OF THE SIGN. 
          THIS IS 114 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'RE NOT DIMENSIONED ON THE PLAN. 
          SO I SCALED THEM OUT. 
          THERE ARE ABOUT 114 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          SO THIS IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, A SMALL, UH, 66 FOOT SIGN HERE. 
          AND THEN THE THREE BAYS THAT ARE, UH, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          UH, AND THEN THE SIGN HERE, IS THAT A SMALLER SIGN ON THE NORTH SIDE AND CORRECT? YES. 
          THESE TWO SIGNS ARE WITHIN THE, UH, LESS THAN 75 SQUARE FEET OF, FOR ONE SIGN. 
          IT'S THE FRONT SIGN THAT'S LARGER THAN WHAT THE CODE SUGGESTS, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE DISCRETION TO, UH, TO CHANGE THAT. 
          ASIDE FROM THE CHANGE IN THE BUILDING SIZE, THE PLANS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN DID CALL FOR A LARGER BUILDING OF WHAT WAS SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY WITH A SMALLER BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE, THE LARGER BUILDING. 
          UM, SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE MAJOR CHANGE, UH, TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFREY, I GUESS MORE DISCUSSION. 
          SO, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, CAUSE I WENT BACK AND PULLED THE AUDIO AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE PARKING SPACES. 
          SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 10 FOOT WIDE ALREADY. 
          AND WE AGREED TO A REDUCTION FROM THE 39 TO WHATEVER THAT ENDED UP BEING TO MAKE THE 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES FIT. 
          AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHY SO MANY SPACES, AND THEY TOLD US IN THIS BUSINESS THAT THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED THEM. 
          THEY'D USUALLY NEED ABOUT 40 SPACES BECAUSE SCOTT AND I, WE WERE ASKING ABOUT GETTING MORE GREEN SPACE IF WE DIDN'T NEED SO MANY PARKING SPACES AND THEY WEREN'T BEING USED FOR CROSS EASEMENTS. 
          AND THEY TOLD US BASED ON THEIR BUSINESS, THAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED THOSE SPACES. 
          AND NOW TO COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO MORE BUSINESS AND NEED FEWER SPACES AND MOVE THE HANDICAP SPACES AWAY FROM THE FRONT DOOR. 
          I'LL BE VOTING. 
          NO, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. 
          SO, OKAY, SORRY. 
          WE JUST, WE HAD A CLEAR DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WITH THEM AND THEY TOLD US THEY NEEDED THE SPACE. 
          AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T, IF YOU'LL LET US MAKE MORE BASE. 
          SO, AND THAT PREDATES ME OBVIOUSLY. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT YET. 
          YOU, YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          I AGREE WITH MOVING THE, THE HANDICAP ACROSS, AWAY FROM THE BUILDING, THEY HAVE TO WORK. 
          THEY HAVE TO WALK FURTHER. 
          UM, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST LIKE JIM SAID, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          WE HAVE DEPTH IN DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND NOW THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND MAKE THE CHANGES NOW. 
          WELL, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO FEEL TO THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OPEN UP THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THERE ANY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, STEVE MCCLAREN, RA SMITH ENGINEERING. 
          THEY WANT, THEY'RE GOING TO A BIGGER BUILDING ON THIS SITE BECAUSE NOW A LOT OF THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE OF COVID AND THE PANDEMIC 
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HAS BEEN APPOINTMENT-BASED. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT USING AS MANY PARKING SPACES ON THE WAY. 
          AND THEY'RE FINDING WITH THEIR, UH, THEIR CURRENT STORES THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING ONLINE, MAKING APPOINTMENTS COMING IN AND THEY'RE IN AND OUT QUICKER THAN SOMEONE JUST PULLING IN AND HAVING TO WAIT 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO GET THEIR TIRES CHANGED OR SERVICED. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE CHANGE ON THIS, ON THIS SITE, MR. JEFFERS. 
          SO THE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT SO YES, IT WAS, WELL, WE TALKED TO, OKAY. 
          I COULDN'T, THE VIDEO WAS GONE. 
          I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO IT WAS. 
          SO THE ANSWER WE GOT WAS IT'S AN APPOINTMENT BUSINESS AND OUR MAYBE CARS DROPPED OFF IN THE MORNING AND LEFT FOR THE ENTIRE DAY. 
          INSTEAD OF WAITING, LEAVING 10 TO 15 SPACES FOR VEHICLES LEFT FOR THE DAY 10 TO 15 FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          AND THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING AND GOING WITHOUT APPOINTMENT. 
          AND TYPICALLY THE STORES HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 SPACES AS ADEQUATE. 
          WE WERE ALREADY GOING TO BE REDUCED SOME BY GOING TO 10 FOOT SPACES. 
          THAT WAS THE RESPONSE. 
          AND THERE, THERE PARKING STILL FLUCTUATES BETWEEN 30 TO 40, DEPENDING ON THE MARKET. 
          AND THEY'RE, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE FINDING WITH COVID THAT PEOPLE ARE USED. 
          ACTUALLY, IT IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE APPOINTMENT BASED THAN IT WAS BEFORE. 
          AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SWITCHING TO A NEWER CONCEPT OR EVEN, UM, EVEN MORE LIKE THAT FOR APPOINTMENT BASED, UH, SERVICES STOMPS IT. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE HANDICAP MOVED BACK? THE BUILDING TOWARD THE BUILDING? WE COULD PROBABLY PUT IT TOWARDS THE, UH, INSTEAD OF ALONG THE MAIN ROAD, PUT IT UP ALONG THE, UH, PARKING ISLAND, JUST IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH OF IT. 
          AND WITH THAT BUSINESS, AARON, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY HANDICAP PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR IF, FOR THOSE MANY SPACES? SO YOU HAVE ONE NOW, ARE YOU DOING, YOU'RE MOVING BOTH OF THEM. 
          THERE'S TWO. 
          NOW WE ALWAYS HAVE TO, WE'RE ALWAYS IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, THAT SPOT WHERE YOU NEED, IF IT'S UNDER 50 SPACES, YOU NEED TO ACCESSIBLE SPOTS SO THAT THEY MEET THAT PART OF THE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND DEPENDING ON THE GRADES AND ALL THAT, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T PUT IT UP THERE. 
          COULD YOU GO OVER THERE AND POINT THAT OUT WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF HEARING OFF, OVER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE STILL WALKING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. 
          THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC. 
          HOW ABOUT WITH LESS TRAFFIC? HOW ABOUT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING ITSELF? IS THERE ANY WAY TO WORK THOSE, THE THREE SERVICE BAYS AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PARKING UP IN YOU CAN'T PUT THE BUILDING EXPANSION AND WE HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING ACROSS THE, WITH BASED ON THE WAY THE, UM, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT FLOWS BEING ON THE NORTH ISLAND, UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD EXPOSE THE, THE HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUALS TO LESS DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC THEN THAN WHAT IT IS NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'LL BE A PRETTY ACTIVE DRIVE LANE BETWEEN THE SOUTH LOTS. 
          AND THEN THE THREE THAT ARE NORTH OF THIS. 
          SO I WOULD S I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, YEAH, IT MOVE TO THE NORTH NOW THAT I'M THINKING OUT LOUD. 
          WOW. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ERIC. 
          NOW ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M STILL NOT SURE I'M COMPLETELY ONBOARD WITH THE CHANGES. 
          THINK, I THINK THE HANDICAP SPACES HAVE TO BE MOVED AT LEAST TO WHERE WE JUST SAID ABSOLUTELY, BUT I'M STILL NOT OKAY WITH THE CHANGE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE BEING TOLD ONE THING IN A MEETING, WHICH WE APPROVED, AND THIS WILL GO BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          NO, IT STAYS WITH US, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE THREE BAY, UM, OPTION WAS WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED AND THE ORIGINAL BROAD REACH, UM, UH, D BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THEY CAME FOR THE FIRST BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH ONLY A TWO BAY, UH, BUILDING. 
          NOW THEY'RE GOING BACK TO A THREE BAY BUILDING AND THEY'VE ALSO ALLIED WITH THE PARKING SPOT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I LIKED THAT, BUT THAT WAS A GRADE TWO ALREADY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO ALREADY BE DONE. 
          THAT 
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SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S WHY THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THE PARKING WAS REDUCED FROM 39 TO 30, BECAUSE OF THE, YEAH. 
          WE KNEW WHERE IT WAS IN SOM WE JUST, WHATEVER THAT CALCULATION CAME OUT FROM THE WIDTH REDUCTION WE KNEW, WHICH WAS ALREADY LESS THAN THE NUMBER THEY TOLD US THAT YEAH. 
          THE ACTUAL LOSS OF SPACES IS, IS SIX ISH. 
          BASED ON THAT. 
          WHAT WAS FRONT DOOR PARKING? THERE WERE SIX EXES, EXTRA SPACES THERE. 
          THAT'S ALL UNDER A PARKING FOR HANDICAP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S MY BIGGEST HANGUP. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO ON, ON THE, WAS THAT THE EAST, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE'VE GOT THE TWO LANE AND THEN THE OTHER SINGLE LANE, IS THAT JUST LIKE FOR WHEN THEY BRING THINGS OUT OF THE BAY, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, YOU GOT THE THREE DIRECTIONAL ARROWS. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE ABOUT, IT'S A FREE SERVICE, WE OFFER TO ANYBODY IT'S MECHANICAL STRUCTURE AND THEN PULL IN SERVICE THAT COMES OUT, CHECKS YOUR OUT YOUR AIR LIGHTS, PEOPLE WON'T TIRE LATER. 
          IF THEY FIND THERE'S A NAIL IN IT, THEY REPLACE IT IN. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO, YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY THEN, AND THIS IS THE TWO INCH RACK . 
          AND THEN IF YOU COULD SWITCH THE ELEVATION, IT'S THAT STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY DO THAT NOW, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE, THE SERVICE NOW WHEN THE TECHNICIANS ARE OUT IN THE, SO THAT'S WHERE THEIR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO MR. S THESE ARE THE SERVICE-BASED, THAT'S THE TIRE STORES A, WHAT IS THAT LITTLE DOOR? THAT'S WHERE THEY PUT THE DEAD TIRES, TIRES, ALL THAT IT'S IT'S THE DEAD SIRE STORAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS SURPRISED THAT WERE JUST LIKE, I CALLED IT ON THE PLANET. 
          SO WOULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE, UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS APPROVED FOR THREE BAY. 
          SO THE, ON THE BASIC, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LET ME GO TO THAT. 
          UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THREE BAYS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WAS 70. 
          I CAN'T READ THAT 7,800, WHATEVER THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STORE IS NOW IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO THEY CAME IN WITH A SMALLER STORE. 
          NOW THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THIS AND 76 80. 
          SORRY, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT THAT PICTURE, YOU JUST SHOWED US. 
          WE WERE TOLD MANY, MANY TIMES THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          THAT WAS THE BUZZWORD. 
          THAT'S A BROAD REACH. 
          NAH, NOT THE APPLICANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST HAVE A HANGUP WITH THE HANDICAP BEING SO FAR AWAY, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          THEN, THEN THE OTHER CONVERSATION YOU NEED TO HAVE IS ABOUT THE SIGNS. 
          I'M GOOD ON THE SIGNS. 
          I AGREE. 
          THE PROPORTIONATE SIZING IS FINE. 
          THAT'S NOT, THEN WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE CAMPING WORLD BEFORE, SINCE TO HAVE A BIG BUILDING WITH THIS TINY LITTLE SIGN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO DISCUSSION. 
          AND I, I WOULD JUST SAY I'VE, I'VE SAID BEFORE, I THINK IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT CRAMMED IN AND WE'RE SQUEEZING IN EVERYTHING WE CAN. 
          I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE APPROVED IT, BEFORE THAT THEY NEEDED THE SPACES IN IT BECAUSE OF THE APPOINTMENT BUSINESSES APPOINTMENT. 
          BUT IT'S DONE BY DROP OFF AND START CARS WILL SIT THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BUT NOT OVERNIGHT WAS HOW THAT DISCUSSION WENT. 
          WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT IT. 
          AND SCOTT EVEN BROUGHT UP THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE, IF WE DON'T NEED THE SPACE, THEY DO HAVE, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR MORE GREEN SPACE WITHIN THERE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PAVEMENT ALREADY. 
          SO, UM, I'M STILL, I MEAN, I'M GOOD ON THE SIGNS, BUT NOT ON THE EXPANSION. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? IS IT HAIL OR HAILEY HAILEY PROPERTIES, LLC, FOR THEIR APPROVAL REMINDER CHANGED TO A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO INCREASE THE BUILDING SIZE FROM 7,020 SQUARE FEET TO 7,680 SQUARE FEET FOR THE DISCOUNT TIRE AT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 75 78 OLD TROY PIKE PARCEL NUMBER OF PIECE 70 DASH 0 0 0 5 DASH 0 0 1 5 AND 
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P 70 DASH 0 4 0 0 5 DASH 0 0 4 3 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS CASE A MJC 22 DASH 15 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2022, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO SO MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. VARGOS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MS. THOMAS. 
          I'M HAPPY WITH PART OF IT, BUT NOT WITH THE OTHER PART. 
          YES, BUT GRUDGINGLY AS FARGO. 
          YES. 
          MR. JEFFRIES. 
          NOPE. 
          MR. WALTON. 
          YES. 
          UM, MOTION PASSES 3, 2, 1. 
          WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, SO THE APPLICANT WILL REVISE THE PLANS TO MOVE THE HANDICAP, PARKING TO THE NORTH ISLAND AND THEN RESUBMIT THEM. 
          AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          PERFECT. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          UH, WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS. 
          NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION. 
          THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 29TH, 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED AND YOU'RE NOT HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. 
          THEY ARE APPROVED, UH, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, YEAH, SO WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION. 
          THAT'S NOT COMPLETE FOR A, A, A REZONING AND A LOT SPLIT, UH, REALLY AT THE FAR EAST SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD. 
          THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO SPLIT A FIVE ACRE PARCEL INTO, UH, ONE, THREE AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL FOR, UH, THEIR, UM, TRUCK REPAIR BUSINESS, UH, AND REZONE THAT TO INDUSTRIAL OR PLANNED INDUSTRIAL WE'RE, WE'RE STILL FIGURING THAT OUT, UH, AND THEN LEAVE THE HOUSE AS AGRICULTURE. 
          UM, SO, UH, SO THAT'S COMING, NOT AT THIS MEETING BECAUSE I'M NOT PUTTING IT ON THE CALENDAR BECAUSE THE APPLICATION IS NOT COMPLETE. 
          THERE'S STILL A LOT OF MISSING DETAIL. 
          UM, BUT IT WILL BE COMING MAY WHAT, JERRY, SOMETHING AROUND THAT. 
          SO IT IS OUT ON TAYLORSVILLE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO A NEW CARLISLE PIKE. 
          IT'S IT'S FAR EDGE OF TOWN. 
          UM, BZA TURNED DOWN THE VARIANCE. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE SEEKING RELIEF THROUGH A REZONING. 
          THEY ASKED FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW, UM, HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPAIR OR TRACK TRUCK REPAIR. 
          UM, THEY TURNED THEM DOWN. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A REZONING. 
          I IMAGINE THERE WILL BE OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE'LL SEE. 
          UM, IT'S ONE OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE. 
          YES. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE ON APRIL 26TH. 
          NO, THE ONLY THING THAT CAME IN FOR APRIL 26 IS A MINOR LOT SPLIT, WHICH WE'LL HANDLE ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          THERE'S OKAY. 
          IT'S UNLIKELY. 
          WE WILL HAVE AN APRIL 26TH MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE COMING UP ON, UM, ON, UM, CAUSE I GOT A BOULEVARD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M DRAGGING AND EXECUTIVE GOT THAT I'VE SEEN NOW. 
          UM, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SO THERE WILL BE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COMING BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE, UM, TO COUNCIL, DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING YESTERDAY. 
          UM, THE NEXT MEETING, THE GABLES IS UP FOR THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, OR SORRY, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. 
          THEY ARE READY TO SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SOON AS THAT'S APPROVED. 
          UM, AND SO IS THE HAMPTONS AT THE HEIGHTS. 
          AS SOON AS THAT, IF THAT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEY'RE ITCHING TO SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE TWO WILL TURN AROUND, UH, ONCE COUNCIL REACHES A DECISION ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THOSE TWO APPLICANTS ARE READY TO GO AND WHERE ARE THEY? SO THE GABLES IS OFF BRANT AND THE HAMPTONS IS THE ONCE-OFF EXECUTIVE. 
          ARE WE, I GUESS, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT GETTING AN UPDATE AS FAR AS WHAT COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ARE IN THAT REGION VERSUS 
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AS THINGS COME IN. 
          SO I, UH, I, UH, SENT TO BRIAN THE DESIRE FOR A, UM, A WORK SESSION AND HE IS WORKING THAT THROUGH TONY AND HOWEVER THAT WORKS OUT. 
          SO I DID, I DID FORWARD YOUR, YOUR DESIRES. 
          I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WILL NOT BE, BE HERE FOR THE MAY 10TH MEETING. 
          I'LL BE UP OUT OF TOWN. 
          SORRY, LAURA. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HEARING NOTHING. 
          YOU STAY IN A JOURNAL. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR A ATTENDING.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.