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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
THE CITY HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION JOINT MEETING WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP.IT IS APRIL 7TH AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 6 0 1.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
AND MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL A ROLE FOR THE RIGHTS CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE.
MR. CAMPBELL HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
I BELIEVE THE FISCAL OFFICER FOR THE TOWNSHIP IS HERE.
IF YOU ARE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE BELLA TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES PLEASE.
SO STEVE BLACK TRUSTEE TRUSTEE REESE EARHART.
SO EVERYBODY IS PRESENT, UH, WHO SHOULD BE HERE.
[2. Work Session Topics Of Discussion]
UH, SO NEXT KIND OF, THIS IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION FOR THIS WORK SESSION.SO, UH, I AM GOING TO READ KIND OF A GENERAL STATEMENT OF PURPOSE FOR KIND OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO PROVIDE BOTH BETHEL TOWNSHIP, MIAMI COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICLY SHARE THEIR COLLECTIVE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS REGARDING THE PRO'S PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF 266 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN BEVELED TOWNSHIP TO WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
FURTHERMORE, THIS MEETING WILL PROVIDE EACH RESPECTIVE ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP TO EXPRESS THEIR INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS AND INTERESTS AS WELL AS THE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
IT IS THE HOPE AND INTENT OF BOTH GOVERNING JURISDICTIONS THAT THE OPEN DIALOGUE DURING TODAY'S MEETING WILL BE UTILIZED BY EACH PARTY'S RESPECTIVE REPRESENTATIVES TO EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES, WITH RESPECT TO FACILITATING MUTUALLY AGREEABLE OUTCOMES WITH REGARD TO THE PENDING PROPOSED ANNEXATION.
SO AT THIS POINT WE WOULD HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE MOVING FROM HERE.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A REQUESTED MEETING FROM THE BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES.
SO I WOULD START BY GOING TO YOU AND KIND OF LETTING YOU LEAD THE MEETING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO IF YOU WOULD, I'M JOHN BLOCK, I'M PRESIDENT OF THE BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES THIS YEAR.
UH, BETH VAN HAREN IS ONE OF OUR TRUSTEES.
JULIE REESE IS ONE OF OUR TRUSTEES, ANDY EARHART, AS OUR ADMINISTRATOR.
I KNOW DEBBIE SITTING BACK THERE, I CAN BARELY SEE HER KIND OF LET THEM KNOW YOU'RE HERE.
DEBBIE WATSON, IT'S OUR FISCAL ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, MIKE ARNOLD IS OUR ZONING PERSON.
AND PETER GRIGGS IS OUR ATTORNEY THAT WE'VE HIRED FOR THIS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS MEETING TO HAPPEN AND LETTING US PARTICIPATE AND TRY TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO WITH IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, AS BETHEL TOWNSHIP ARE AGAINST THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL, YOU'RE IN IT FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME.
WE'RE IN IT FOR BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
UM, SOME OF US FROM BUFFALO TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN RESIDENTS LONG TIME.
I'VE LIVED ON SINGER ROAD 65 YEARS.
SO I STILL REMEMBER WHEN HUBER HEIGHTS WAS SOUTH AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD AND, UH, OVER ALL THE YEARS, IT JUST KEEPS CREEPING NORTH, NORTH, NORTH.
WE NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD CROSS INTO MIAMI COUNTY AND THEN BACK AROUND 99 OR 2000, UH, THE GROOVES OF MYERS, UH, SOLD OUT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HOMES WERE STARTED THERE AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WILL NEVER STOP.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS AS YOU KNOW, IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE AN END IN SIGHT OF YOU TAKING OUR LAND? THERE'S ABOUT 700 ACRES.
I BELIEVE YOU'VE ANNEXED RIGHT NOW WITH HOMES.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME WE'VE COME TO SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND, AND THEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE TALKING IS EVERYBODY WANTS TO POINT THE BLAME ON EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF BOTHERSOME.
THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THAT CAN, OR TWO ADDITIVES THAT CAN STOP THIS ANNEXATION.
THEY CAN SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO SELL.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DOLLAR SIGNS THERE FOR THEM.
AND NUMBER TWO, THIS COUNCIL CAN STOP IT BY SAYING, WE DON'T WANT TO ANNEX THAT GROUND.
THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THAT CAN STOP IT.
I KEEP HEARING THAT IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE MONMOUTH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S NOT IN THE HANDS OF THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN THAT A TYPE TO EXPEDITE IN, UM, ANNEXATION.
THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SEVEN DIFFERENT CRITERIA
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AND DETERMINE IF THOSE ARE MET OR NOT.AND THAT'S THEIR ONLY THING THAT CAN BE DEAD SET AGAINST THE ANNEXATION.
BUT THEY'RE CHARGED WITH, UH, MAKING A DECISION ON THOSE SEVEN STEPS.
WE AS TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES HAVE NO SAY IN IT WHATSOEVER, WE JUST HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AS TO WHY WE'RE LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
UH, WHY, UM, WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND WE CAN'T THE TWO GROUPS THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND AS THE OWNER AND THIS COUNCIL NOW, I I'VE BEEN TO A FEW OF THESE, EXCUSE ME, VERY FEW IN THAT YOU WANT TO SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH IT, OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
THE DEVELOPER THERE, I'VE KNOWN TIM FOR A WHILE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WHOLE COUNCIL WAS TAUGHT.
ONE OF THE ONES IS SOMEBODY TALKED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD SPEND ALL THIS TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO GET THIS DONE IF THEY THOUGHT THIS COUNCIL WOULD KNIT.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN, A LITTLE BIT MORE HONEST ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
TRY TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS BECAUSE, UH, WE PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST, UH, MR. LAVEY OR GUZMAN'S.
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH SOME OF THE GUESTS MONTHS.
I'VE KNOWN GARY LAVEY MY WHOLE LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW THOSE WERE FRIENDS.
UH, WE'RE NOT ENEMIES, I GUESS, BUT I'VE GONE WHO HE WAS MY WHOLE LIFE.
I REMEMBER ALL THE DIFFERENT FARMS THEY'VE HAD, BUT NOW NONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ANNEX LIVES IN THE TOWNSHIP, THEY'VE ALL MOVED SOMEPLACE DIFFERENT AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT.
IT WAS, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, ALL OF THOSE PLOTS THAT'S OUT THERE WHERE THEIR GRANDPARENTS, THE GRANDPARENTS PASSED IT DOWN TO THE PARENTS.
THE PARENTS PASSED IT DOWN TO THIS GENERATION AND NOW THEY JUST WANT TO SELL IT, GET THE MONEY AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
BUT I WAS, I'VE LIVED HERE 65 YEARS AND I'M GOING TO DIE HERE.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAID TO ME, ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GOES THROUGH YOUR PLACE, THERE ON SINGER IS GOING TO BE WORTH MORE.
I WISH MINE WAS WORTH A FOURTH OF WHAT IT'S WORTH.
SO NOBODY WOULD TRY TO BUY IT.
AND I WOULD PAY LESS TAXES BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO INTENTIONS OF EVER SELLING IT.
AND I'VE TOLD BOTH OF MY KIDS, WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU WILL LIVE HERE AND KEEP THIS YOUR LIFETIME.
IF NEITHER ONE OF THEM WILL DO THAT, I WILL GO TO MY GRANDCHILDREN.
AND IF NONE OF MY KIDS OR MY GRANDCHILDREN SAY, I WILL LIVE THERE AND KEEP THIS FOREVER, THEN I WILL GIVE IT TO AN OUTSIDER THAT WILL PROMISE ME THAT I'M NOT, I GOT, YOU KNOW, A TINY BIT OF MONEY.
I CAN GIVE THEM MONEY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THE HOME PLEX.
AND THAT I KNOW FOR ME, I'M PROBABLY AN ABSOLUTE NUT, BUT MY FAMILY STILL OWNS OUR FARMS IN KENTUCKY, THAT MY GREAT GRANDFATHER OWNED.
MY GRANDFATHER OWNED MY UNCLES OWN.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ONE ACRE DOWN THERE SOLD AND IT'S BETWEEN FIVE AND 600 ACRES.
AND I WOULD EXPECT ANY ONE OF MY COUSINS TO PUNCH ME IN THE MOUTH.
IF I SAID, WHY DON'T YOU SELL THAT? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE HAVE A LITTLE IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP, SOME OF US HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OUTLOOK VERSUS SOMEBODY THAT KIND OF MOVES AROUND.
I COULD TAKE YOU UP THERE AND SHOW YOU A HOME AFTER HOME, AFTER HOME, THAT WAS PASSED DOWN TO THE KIDS FROM EITHER THE PARENTS OR THE GRANDPARENTS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST CHEAPER HEIGHTS.
WE ALL, WE ALL COME TO HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DEVELOP PROPERTY, YOU ALREADY OWN AND LEAVE US ALONE IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WE HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC, WE HAVE ENOUGH IMPACT UPON OUR SCHOOLS, EVERYTHING WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY THE WAY WE ARE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S MY OPENING STATEMENT.
I HOPE I WASN'T TOO LONG, BUT I DO LIKE TO TALK, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. EASTMAN.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? UM, I, I HAD A LOT TO SAY I'M READY.
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I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD SUMMARY.AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WHITE, WHITE LIVING OUT IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S MORE OPEN SPACE AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AREN'T QUITE SO CLOSE TO YOU.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE LIKE LIVING, UH, WITH MORE SPACE AND NOT, NOT SO QUITE CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND, UM, UM, MY FAMILY MOVED THERE IN 1972, SO I'M NOT THE 65 YEAR RESONANT THAT DON IS, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE HAVING ROOTS AND, UM, ENJOYING THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THE LIFESTYLE THAT WE LEAD.
I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THEY SAID.
WE ALL SHOP IN HEBREW HEIGHTS.
UM, BUT YOUR TRAFFIC IS, AND POPULATION IS ENCROACHING ON OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S A LOT.
SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU NOT ANNEX ANYMORE PROPERTY.
FROM HEBREW COUNCIL, HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, WELL, THIS, I MEAN, VERY QUICK MEETING, THEN LET ME GET MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE, YOU'VE GOT A REQUESTED THIS MEETING.
IF THE MEETING WAS JUST TO EXPRESS YOUR OPPOSITION.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THEN I MEAN THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN STATED AND THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND WE'VE HEARD THAT, UM, NOW THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS TO WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MUTUALLY AGREEABLE FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OR IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS, IT WAS JUST TO STATE YOUR OPPOSITION.
THEN I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH ELSE TO, I, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST KIND OF GIVING OPENING STATEMENTS AND I THOUGHT I PROPOSED A COUPLE OPENING STATEMENTS.
I'M THE ONLY ONE IN MY FAMILY BORN IN OHIO.
SO, UH, EVERYBODY ELSE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY.
SO MAYBE I DON'T SPEAK REAL PLAIN, BUT I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS WHERE, WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS END? WILL THIS BE THE LAST ANNEXATION YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET YOU TO ONLY, UH, GET SO CLOSE TO ROUTE 40? UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET YOU TO HAVE LESS DENSE POPULATION THERE? UH, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE CLEAR UP SOME OF THE, THE IDEAS HERE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON? I MEAN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, IT WAS TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN, TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT ACRES.
AND THEN SINCE THEN THEY WENT IN AND TRIED TO BUY THE STAFFORD OR GET A CONTRACT ON THE STAFFORD PROPERTY.
I THINK ANOTHER 27 ACRES OR SOMETHING THERE ABOUT, I BELIEVE THEY WENT IN AND TALKED WITH CEO'S ABOUT POSSIBLY BUYING IT.
I MEAN, IS THERE AN END TO THIS? OR, OR WHERE ARE WE GOING? THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR.
CAN WE GET SOMETHING FROM YOU THAT WE KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING TO STOP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? CAN WE AGREE THAT THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT CAN STOP, THIS ARE THE ONLY TWO ENTITIES IS THIS COUNCIL AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, I SEE A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, FROM Y FROM WHAT LITTLE BIT I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER IS WHEN THE, AND HAS OFFERED TO BUY THIS PROPERTY FROM PEOPLE I COME ON AS A TRUSTEE, I WANTED TO TALK TO GARY LAVEY.
I WANTED TO TALK TO BART GUSMAN, BUT IN THEM AGREE ON TO THESE ASTRONOMICAL FIGURES FOR THE LAND.
THEY HAVE TO NOT TALK TO US NOW, I'M SORRY, GARY, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THIS.
WHEN I WAS A KID, MY PARENTS WOULD HAVE TOLD ME THAT WAS NOT A GOOD THING.
IF I HAD TO SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, I WON'T TALK ABOUT IT MIGHT NOT BEEN A GOOD THING.
IF THE OWNERS WANTED TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY TO HUBER HEIGHTS, THE OWNERS SHOULD HAVE DONE IT INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN THE OWNERS SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO FOUR OR FIVE DEVELOPERS AND GOT THE MOST MONEY FOR THEIR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, BUT THE FARMLAND IS WORTH 10 TO $12,000 AN ACRE IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
WE THINK THEY'RE PAYING SOMEWHERE IN THE $20,000 RANGE OR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WHILE THAT, JUST, THAT JUST GOT A DEAL, WE WON'T EVEN TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
SO WE CAN'T EVEN TALK TO HIM AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY
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I UNDERSTAND AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY THE EXACT SAME.IT'S NOT GOING TO, BUT CAN WE, CAN WE MEET SOMEWHERE? THAT'S NOT THE EXTREME THAT IT'S GOING TO RIGHT NOW.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH HUBER COUNCIL OR ELLA HUBER, LLC, OR WHATEVER.
ALL OF THAT STUFF IS JUST, THEY ARE THE DEVELOPER.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
I WOULD LIKE SAY IF I WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT I WILL NEVER BE.
BUT IF I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WANTING TO SELL MY PROPERTY, I WOULDN'T AGREE TO THE FIRST DEAL THAT COME ALONG AND THEN TOLD I CAN'T OPEN MY MOUTH AND TALK ABOUT IT.
UH, SOMETHING IT MIGHT SAY ON THAT'S WRONG, BUT IF THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THEY HAVE, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO, TO DETERMINE THAT THEY'VE MADE A GOOD DEAL OR A BAD DEAL, THE AGREEMENT THEY HAVE, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE.
AND I THINK, IS THERE ANY WAY TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL AND GET GYMS TO AGREE, NOT TO NXS, BUT THAT WE TALK AND WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN FIT MORE AND EVERYBODY'S GOAL.
WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING THIS EVENING.
WELL, I DID TOO, BUT I'M THE ONLY ONE TALKING TO ME.
AND SO THERE, THERE THERE'S, THIS ISN'T SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTARY AND STEVEN, THIS IS A MEETING, THIS, THIS IS A MEETING BETWEEN THE BETHEL TRUSTEES.
AND HE WERE COUNSELED TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME FORM OF AN AGREEMENT ON THIS, BECAUSE I'LL ALL MEETINGS LIKE THIS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION IS DISSEMINATED TO EVERYBODY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN IN THE CONVERSATION, THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS AND THE TRUSTEES ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP.
SO I THINK, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? HEY, DON.
I JUST WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP THAT IT'S A STATEMENT YOU MADE, YOU SAID ALL OF COUNCIL AND SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL OR PEOPLE ON COUNCIL I'VE BEEN TALKING.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR AN UPDATE FROM OUR CITY MANAGER AS TO WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS IS.
AND SPEAKING, JUST FOR MYSELF, I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ABOUT ANY OF THIS STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW PRICES OR WHO NEGOTIATED WHAT I'M WAITING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO HEAR THE NUMBERS COME FORWARD FROM OUR STAFF, UH, THE, UH, DECISION THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MADE.
AND AT THAT TIME, WE, AS A COUNCIL WILL BE VOTING ON THOSE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF THE STUFF YOU'RE SAYING.
HOW'S A COUNCIL PERSON HERE AS A SITTING COUNCIL PERSON.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID IT QUITE CLEAR ENOUGH, I'M POSITIVE THAT IT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED AMONG THE COMPLETE COUNCIL, BUT I'M SAYING SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN, JUST THINK OF IT LOGICALLY SOMEWHERE THE DEVELOPER HAS HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN AN INKLING FROM SOMEBODY IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT YES, WE WANT THIS AND YES, IT WILL PASS OR THEY WOULDN'T BE SPENDING THEIR TIME AND MONEY AND GOING OUT AND TRYING TO MAKE DEALS.
I BELIEVE YOU, 100% THAT YOU DON'T KNOW A ABOUT IT OR THAT YOU WEREN'T TOLD ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE'RE DOING THIS, WHY CAN'T WE TALK LIKE A GROUP OF ADULTS AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
I CALL HIM MR. LAVEY AND TALK, TRIED TO TALK TO HIM.
I TRIED TO TALK TO BARTH GASSMAN I CAN'T MONEY BOUGHT THEIR SILENCE.
WELL, A CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THAT DEVELOPER OR THE SELLER AND THE PURCHASER IS NOT UNCOMMON.
RIGHT? I WOULDN'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO VIOLATE THAT, TO TELL ME WHAT THEY PAID FOR ACRE OF LAND OR WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
SO I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS FAR AS, AS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED, THE ONLY OFFICIAL ACTION WE'VE TAKEN WAS THE PASSAGE OF THE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN EXTEND THE SERVICES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, OFFICIALLY RIGHT HERE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT PERSONALLY, NONE OF THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE WITH ME, RIGHT? AND DEVELOPERS DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
WE JUST, UM, HEARD AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS HAVE COME IN AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE DEALS TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS, UH, SPENDING MONEY ON ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, ALL THESE THINGS TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT NONE OF US HAD EVER TALKED TO.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS.
YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND SUBMITTING PLANS TO GET AN A, TO GET AN APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW DEVELOPERS DO THAT WE, WE SEE THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT HAPPENS THROUGH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE
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STAFF.IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN THOSE THINGS COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S THE NORM THAT, THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, PRESIDENT BLACK TRUSTEES, UH, RECENT VENDOR.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING HERE TODAY.
UH, ADMINISTRATIVE EARHART, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU PERSONALLY, UM, AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I STAND WITH YOUR DECISION, UM, AND I'M MAJORITY OF WHAT I SEE TO BE BETHEL RESIDENTS AND OBJECTING TO THIS ANNEXATION AT FACE VALUE.
UM, I DO HEAR SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THAT.
WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON.
WE HAVE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON.
WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE DISCUSSED THE IMPROVEMENT, UH, AND MITIGATION OF TRAFFIC IN OUR OWN CITY.
UM, THAT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS STILL HAVE NOT SEEN COME TO LIFE YET.
YES, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOTHING'S COME TO LIFE, UM, UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR CONVERSATION ON SCHOOL OVERCROWDING, UH, AND WHAT BETHEL HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, AND CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH, UH, TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN OVERPOPULATION, UM, WITH WHAT THE STATE HAS PROVIDED THEM, UH, WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS TO BUILD THIS NEW SCHOOL, NOT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE WITH AN INCREASE OF CHILDREN.
UM, AND, UH, AND PRESIDENT BLACK.
I, I I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY IN, UH, IN KENTUCKY.
UM, I I'M, I'M A BOY THAT GREW UP OUT IN THE STICKS.
UM, AND IF IT WASN'T FOR MY WIFI, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY.
UM, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING WITH A QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERN, UH, WE HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS HERE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE SOME OF US ON THE COUNCIL THAT, THAT GIVE IT A SOLID ATTEMPT TO LISTEN TO OUR OWN RESIDENTS WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS AND, AND PROGRESS AND DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ON TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT SAME CONSIDERATION IS GIVEN TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
UM, PRESIDENT BLACK HAD BROUGHT UP A, YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB HAD, UH, JUST, UM, COMMENTED ON ABOUT, UH, CONVERSATIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS ANNEXATION, THIS DEVELOPER, UM, THE DEALS, UH, THE CONVERSATION'S ONGOING.
UM, IT IS, IN MY OPINION, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL REALM OF CITY GOVERNMENT THAT HAVE GOT US TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
MATTER OF FACT, UH, THROUGH SEVERAL SOURCES, I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED OF TWO MEETINGS, UH, THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, UH, JULY, UM, I BELIEVE OF 2020 AND OR 2021.
AND EVEN AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, UM, THAT INFORMATION HAD NOT BEEN SHARED WITH ALL OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO I, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE CERTAIN MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ALL THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN DISSEMINATED.
UM, AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THE STATEMENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER GO AFTER, UM, CERTAIN PROPERTY IN BETHEL? UM, IF THEY DID NOT KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IT'S NOT GOING THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN A PASS, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE POOR BUSINESS DECISION IN MY OPINION.
UM, SO YES, AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE HAD TO BEEN CONVERSATION, THERE HAD TO BEEN ASSURANCES THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
UM, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH IT, UH, YOU KNOW, FACE TO FACE WITH ANY OF THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, UM, BUT REVIEWING THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, UM, AND, UH, COMMENTS THAT I'VE READ IT AND HEARD OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ANNEXATION AS WELL.
UH, AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN RESIDENTS IN BETHEL AND MIAMI COUNTY HAVE TOGETHER A SERIES OF LEVY AND TEXTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS TO IMPROVE WATER AND TRAFFIC IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY.
AND YOU FEEL LIKE, AND YOUR RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT BEING HEARD AND THAT THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY.
I'M UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF THE AGREEMENTS THROUGH OHIO EPA AND MCRPC THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, DETRIMENTAL IF THIS ANNEXATION DOES GO THROUGH.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS I THINK WE NEED.
UM, AND, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP TO MY OWN COUNCIL, PRESIDENT BLACK, UM, ON A, ON A MORATORIUM FOR ANNEXATION, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I I'M HOPING AFTER THIS MEETING, UM, THAT, UH, THOSE CONVERSATIONS CAN COME BACK TO PLAY.
UM, I DO BELIEVE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE NEEDS TO BE A STOP.
UM, AS, AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE BEING A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE REGION, UM, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WAYNE TOWNSHIP BEFORE IT BECAME HEBREW HEIGHTS WAS A, A PART OF AN ANNEXATION THREAT FROM THE CITY OF DATE, WHICH IS WHY WE BECAME A CITY.
UM, SO THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW DOING WHAT WE ORIGINATED AS TO BE A CITY TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY, I THINK IS A, UH, AS A, AS
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A VERY DISSERVICE AND, AND ADJUST TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR RESIDENTS.UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, HERE TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UM, FINER POINTS, IF THIS ANNEXATION DOES GO THROUGH, UH, WHICH I THINK WE'RE, UH, UH, WE'RE ALL INTELLIGENT AND ENOUGH ADULTS THAT, UH, UM, THE PERCEIVED CONVERSATIONS, THE PERCEIVED VOTES NOW LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THE FACTS, TRAFFIC IMPACT, WATER MORATORIUM, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE, I THINK NEED TO STAY HERE TONIGHT, AS LONG AS IT TAKES AND, AND START HAVING SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UH, AND, AND MOVE THAT FORWARD.
UH, SO PRESIDENT BLACK, I, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, GLENN.
YEAH, I WON'T TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
I'LL, UH, I'LL ECHO, UH, MR. SHAW'S REMARKS AS WELL.
UM, I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT ABOUT THE, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS NOT BEING ANNEXED.
UM, BUT TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONCERNED WITH THE RAPID EXPANSION, THE RAPID GROWTH TRAFFIC ISSUES, SCHOOL ISSUES, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT HUBER HEIGHTS IS GROWING TOO RAPIDLY.
IN MY OPINION, WE'RE, WE'RE CRAMMING HOUSING AFTER HOUSING, AFTER HOUSING UNITS INTO HERE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO COME, TIME'S GONNA COME.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BE THE FIRST ONE TO THROW OUT THOUGH, IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND THAT IS AVAILABLE? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED.
IS THERE A WAY TO FIND A DENSITY THAT IS NOT 900 HOMES OR SO AS, AS WAS STATED ONCE BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGS THAT NUMBER DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY TO LARGER LOTS AND STUFF TO CREATE A MORE, A STATE SIZE A LOT THAT MAYBE WOULD CREATE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HIGH DENSITY AREAS OF CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THE MORE RURAL DENSITY AND IN BETHEL ITSELF.
I THINK THAT'S A POTENTIAL SOLUTION THAT WHERE NOBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT, BUT EVERYBODY GETS A LITTLE SOMETHING OUT THE DOOR.
UM, SO I WOULD OPEN WITH THAT AS A CONSIDERATION PERSONALLY.
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOU COMPLETELY AND UNTIL, AND UNLESS, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES FORWARD THAT YOU GUYS FEEL IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF BETHEL AND I FEEL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I WILL STAND OPPOSED TO THE SANITATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ON COUNCIL? YES.
UM, FIRST PREVIOUS POINT ABOUT, UM, CITIZENS COMMENTS, UM, PRESIDENT BLANK, THIS IS A JOINT MEETING, SO OUR MAYOR DOES SPEAK FOR COUNCIL AND RUNS OUR MEETINGS, BUT HE DOESN'T RUN YOURS.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO CITIZEN'S COMMENTS IN MY OPINION, BUT WE HAVE LEGAL BEAGLES HERE THAT CAN IDENTIFY THAT A SECOND.
ONE MORE TO THIS POINT, I VOTED AGAINST, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ISSUE, UM, AND, UH, PRESIDENT BLACK CAME UP AND TALKED TO ME AFTERWARDS AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT WAS A NICE CONVERSATION, BUT I DID NOT WANT TO HAVE HIM GET THE WRONG IDEA.
I TOLD HIM IMMEDIATELY THAT I WAS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO FROM, FOR IT, THEN WHY AM I VOTING AGAINST IT? UH, THE EXTENSION OF CITY SERVICES, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FIRE, UM, HAVING ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND WITH THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, KEN CONAWAY HAS DONE FANTASTIC PROJECTS.
UH, DEC IS, UM, DONE A FANTASTIC PROJECTS THROUGHOUT HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND MY TERM ON COUNCIL, I REFER TO HIM AS, UH, BRING IT IN ON TIME BUDGET, KEN CONWAY.
HE'S JUST THAT GOOD, UM, QUALITY COMPANY, QUALITY MAN.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I VOTED NO.
UM, HOWEVER, THE EXTENSION, WE HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS A CHANGE IN ZONING, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S JUST NORTH OF OUR KROGER AQUATIC CENTER.
I'VE ALREADY SIGNALED THAT I'D BE VOTING AGAINST THAT FOR THE SAME REASON, THE EXTENSION OF CITY SERVICES, INCLUDING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTINGENT ON ME FOR THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
IF WE GET THE THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR TWO YEARS, THEN I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU IS I'M NOT SEEING THAT ON THE AGENDA ANYTIME SOON.
SO WITH THAT MARRIAGE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY MY PARTICULAR POSITION AND THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYBODY.
I WILL SAY ON, ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALWAYS PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WOULDN'T BE I'M ALL FOR IT.
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I GOT NO PROBLEM.PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE OUR ISSUES.
MOST OF THE TIMES WE DON'T HEAR ENOUGH TO LEFT OR SOMETHING HAPPENS.
SO THIS WAS A PERFECT TIME BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HERE, BUT, UM, WE'RE IN YOUR HOUSE.
SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO GO WITH YOUR RULES.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE TRUSTEE? YES.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, UM, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY THAT I KNOW YOU'VE PUT IT OUT THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK ANYTHING CAN BE, CAN BE TAUGHT TO THEM.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BEST AGREEMENT FOR, FOR BETHEL AND FOR HEBREW HEIGHTS? I MEAN, CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS AGAINST, UH, NEGOTIATING WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EVERYONE.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHY WE THINK WE'RE HERE.
SO, SO I, SO I THINK W WHAT HA WHAT HAPPENED WOULD BE THAT IF THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT EVERYONE HAS, AND THERE'S SOME STIPULATIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEN, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO YOUR TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR, MR. EARHART, AND, AND OUR CITY STAFF AND OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. RICHARD CASKEY, TO WORK TOGETHER AS THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY TO PUT TOGETHER THE TERMS OF WHAT, ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, WHAT THIS PROPOSING SUCCESSION AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL OF US TO SIT UP HERE AND NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF AN AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHAT, WHAT ARE HARD NOS ARE, WHAT, WHAT SOME FLEXIBLE OPTIONS ARE.
AND THEN OUR ADMINISTRATORS WILL WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT THAT WOULD, UM, WOULD BE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN AND OPEN SESSION AND, UM, AND DIALOGUE AND, AND FIND OUT WHAT WORKS, I MEAN, IS THAT, SO I'LL JUST SHARE YOUR HEART, MR. SKALSKI, IS THAT KIND OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS, HOW THIS IS TAKING PLACE, OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING THAT EITHER OF YOU HAD MAKE SURE YOU'RE YEAH.
IF IT'S ON, YOU GOT TO PUSH IT.
AND IT WASN'T WORKING, SO WE HAD TO REPLACE IT.
SO I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THE UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN FIND SOME OF THOSE POINTS THAT WOULD OUR DISCUSSION TOPICS.
UH, AND I KNOW FROM OUR STANDPOINT, UH, THAT WE HAD PLANNED ON PUTTING TOGETHER MYSELF, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, AND ONE OF OUR TRUSTEES HOPING WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, YOUR CITY MANAGER, YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL, AND ONE OR TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL, SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF BE EQUALLY REPRESENTED AND, AND WORK THROUGH THOSE STEPS.
UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT IS TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE TOPICS WOULD BE.
DENSITY OBVIOUSLY IS ONE, UH, SIZE LIMITS OF ANNEXATION.
I'VE HEARD THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
UM, TH THERE CAN BE SEVERAL MORE TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S BEEN LISTED TONIGHT.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP HEARING THE CONVERSATION SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BETTER DIRECTION ON WHAT TO WORK ON, UH, TO COME BACK TO THE RESPECTIVE GROUPS AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
SO I THINK, UM, SO I THINK TONIGHT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THEN IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL, UM, FLEXIBLE AGREEMENTS, UH, FROM, FROM, FROM BOTH PARTIES THAT OUR ADMINISTRATORS CAN PUT TOGETHER, WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF DETAILS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE MEETINGS TO THEN DISCUSS WHAT THE DETAILS OF THAT PROPOSED AGREEMENT MAY LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND THEN IF IT REQUIRES ANOTHER MEETING AND ANOTHER MEETING, THEN THAT'S THE NATURAL, IT WILL, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO UNTIL WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, BOUNDARIES KIND OF, OF HOW, HOW SOMEONE THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND GO.
UH, I KNOW IN LOOKING THROUGH, UH, THE CURRENT DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE EDC AND IT LISTS IN AREAS, YOU KNOW, BEING 2 0 1 40 AND 2 0 2 IS KIND OF, IF ANY OTHER, IF YOU EXTEND YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO THIS, UH, KIND OF BRING IT BACK TO YOUR RIGHTS SO WE CAN ANNEX IT OR NOT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH, TO BEGIN WITH IS SAYING, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING IT BACK TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE ANNEXATION POTENTIAL.
UM, SO THERE WAS ALREADY KIND OF A BOUNDARY THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OFF OF AS STAFF TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE TRUSTEES THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME STARTING POINTS.
I'D JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HEAR CONVERSATION, TO GET ME IN AND YOUR CITY MANAGER, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE WORKING FROM.
BRIAN, ARE YOU TAKING NOTES? SO AGAIN,
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ONE OF MY VERY FIRST QUESTIONS I OPENED WITH IS HOW FAR DO YOU WANT THIS TO GO? WHAT OUR MAN IS, I'M LOOKING, I KNOW JANINE FRIEND UP THERE WILL NOT SELL, BUT LET'S FACE IT.UH, HER DAUGHTER SAYS SHE WON'T SELL.
SO THEN I SEE THE 27 ACRES FROM STAFFORD'S BE AN ADDED TO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, SO YOU CAN GET AROUND JANINE FRIEND TO GET CLOSER TO BRANT TO GET THE 38 OR 40 ACRES FROM I'M ON A CALL I'M HOLDERMAN'S CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED THE WHOLE LIFE.
AND MR. HALDERMAN DIED HERE A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
AND SO NOW HIS DAUGHTER LIVES IN MICHIGAN.
HE HAS ONE DAUGHTER THAT LIVES DOWN THERE IN THE, IN THE HOMES, BUT THE OTHER DAUGHTER OWNS THE GROUND.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE CAN'T JUST TALK AND SAY WHAT IT IS.
WHY ARE YOU INTERESTED IN STAFFORD'S PROPERTY? IS IT TO GET AROUND JANINE FOR HIM AND GET TO HALDEMAN'S? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DEAL THERE? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SECRET? WHY DO WE HAVE TO HIDE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO NOT TALK? YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
IS THERE A STOPPING POINT? AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHY, WHY GOING NORTH, WHEN GOING BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD FISHBURG ROAD, AND ALL OF THOSE PLACES WOULD GET PEOPLE CLOSER TO DATE AND RIGHT.
PET SPRINGFIELD, COLUMBUS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHAT MAKES A, WHAT MAKES US, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF YOU DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN YOUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
YOU WANT US TO INVEST IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THERE? I MEAN, WE'RE ALL ADULTS.
IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SAY THAT GRANTED, WE WANT IT.
WE DON'T, I COULD RESPECT YOU A LOT MORE HEARING.
WHAT'S PUSHING IT THAN TO JUST SIT THERE.
WELL, SO NUMBER ONE, THIS AS WELL, GO BACK, AND I KNOW YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THIS.
I'VE HEARD, I KEEP HEARING THAT TERM BE USED THAT WE'RE TAKING YOUR LANE AND WE'RE NOT, AS, AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED, THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN HERE OWN LAND IN YOUR TOWNSHIP WHO HAVE DECIDED TO SELL IT.
YOU'VE STATED THAT IT'S WORTH PROBABLY FOUR TIMES THE MONEY, IF IT'S PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAN IT IS, IF IT'S IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
SO IF THAT BEING THE CASE, IF, IF THIS REALLY WAS GOING TO STOP, I THINK THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE TOWNSHIP COULD DO.
THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS COULD PROBABLY DECIDE NOT TO SELL, OR THE TOWNSHIP COULD CHANGE THEIR OWN ZONING REGULATIONS AND DENSITY AND ALLOW FOR SOME MORE HOUSES.
WE BUILT ON AN ACRE AND THEN WON'T TALK TO US.
THEN MAYBE THAT LAND WOULD BE WORTH MORE MAYBE, AND MAYBE THEN IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE IN IT.
SO I'M JUST SPEAKING OUT LOUD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT PROPERTY OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE HAS BEEN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW BASED ON A PETITION FOR ANNEXATION.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS NOT TAKING ANYBODY'S LAND.
THE SYDNEY BRYSON INITIATED ANY OF THIS.
NOW THERE IS A PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
I REMEMBER THAT THE NUMBER OF THE IS BRIAN, BUT THAT WAS IN THE OLD DEVELOPER AGREEMENT FROM HOW MANY YEARS AGO, THAT DID CALL OUT A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO HOW LONG AGO THAT HAPPENED? IF THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAPPENED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS 15, 16 YEARS AGO, WHEN THAT DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WAS FORMED, I DON'T KNOW I WASN'T HERE, SO I'M NOT PRIVY, OR I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE LED US TO HERE.
ALL I KNOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE SITUATION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US NOW.
SO, SO THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO STOP THIS.
AND I THINK I'VE HEARD YOUR ZONING COORDINATOR IS HERE.
SOMEBODY SAID, CHANGE YOUR ZONING LAWS TO ALLOW MORE DENSITY IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
WE, WE DO HAVE THOSE ZONING OPTIONS TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY, UH, NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, HE WERE HEIGHTS ALLOWS, BUT, UH, WAY MORE THAN WE HAVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY PART.
SO THAT OPTION ALREADY EXISTS.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE REASON.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT COULD BE CHANGED AND IT MIGHT STOP THIS.
HAVE, HAS THOSE ZONING REGULATIONS MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE HAS THOSE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT YOU SPEAK OF EVER BEEN CHALLENGED BY THE VOTERS ON THE BALLOT THAT YOU GUYS KNOW OF?
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MOST, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE LARGER, LOTS THAN SMALLER ONES, BUT WE HAVE TO COME TO THE REALIZATION AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE TOWNSHIP.W WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING THAT HAS THAT.
HAVE YOU CHANGED THE ZONING? WE HAVE NOT.
WE ARE ASKING THE ZONING BOARDS RIGHT NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TRUSTEES.
THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK WITH THAT.
THEY WILL BEFORE LONG, LIKE I SAY, WHEN I COME ON AS TRUSTEE, I TRIED TO TALK TO MR. LAVEY BECAUSE I'M THINKING WHY CAN'T ADULT PEOPLE SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT WHAT MAKES US WORK, BUT HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO US.
YOU KNOW, HE OWNS THE GROUND, BUT HE CAN'T TALK TO US.
BART GUSMAN OWNS THE GROUND, BUT HE CAN'T TALK TO US.
WE COME DOWN HERE, WE HEAR YOU'RE NOT TAKING THE LAND.
AND MR. MAYOR I'LL AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
YOU'RE NOT TAKING THE LAND, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.
WHEN 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 PEOPLE VOTE ON IT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A TIE VOTE, THE MAYOR GETS TO BREAK THE VOTE.
WE'RE WHISPERING A LITTLE BIT.
DON'T MIND THAT'S UM, I THINK I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU IS HOW HAS IT GOT TO THIS POINT THAT THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU WILL VOTE? YES.
IF I COULD CONTINUE ON, ON THAT'S FINE.
COULD THE COMMISSION OPEN A MEETING AND DISCUSS THAT AND NOT TALK TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS NECESSARILY, BUT JUST HAVE DIALOGUE AMONG YOURSELF.
BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT IS THERE'S ALMOST 300 ACRES WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS SAY, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU GUYS WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, INCREASE YOUR DENSITY AND YOU DO THE PROJECT.
I'M ASKING YOU WHY YOU'RE ASKING ME.
I'M I'M TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT I CAN'T GET NOBODY TO COME AND TALK TO ME.
SO FOR ME, WHAT I'M ASKING IS YOU GUYS COULD OPEN A MEETING, HAVE AN AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU COULD TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE DENSITY, SIMILAR TO OUR DENSITY ON THAT PROJECT.
AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD TALK TO YOU.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ON OR OFF, ARE YOU DONE SCREEN NOW? ARE YOU FINISHED? I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU.
SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TALKING TO US BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
YOU'RE THE CARDS ARE IN YOUR HANDS AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU'VE LED IN US TO COME TALK.
AND SO WE COULD GO BACK TO, I'M NOT SURE WHO BROUGHT IT UP, BUT WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WOULD EXIST? WE ARE BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, NOBODY'S MOVING AWAY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE IN 20 YEARS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE IN 20 YEARS.
SO WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THIS ANNEXATION? NONE OF US WANT TO SAY, WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE ALSO COGNIZANT THAT THIS IS AN EXPEDITED TYPE TWO ANNEXATION, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A SLAM DUNK FOR, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, THAT'S HOW THE OHIO REVISED CODE HAS WRITTEN IT.
SO I THINK THE HESITANCY ON EVERYBODY'S PART IS NOBODY WANTS TO TIP THEIR HAND BECAUSE IF I SAY, UM, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU'RE ALL GONNA SAY, OH, SHE STOPPED FIGHTING FOR IT.
AND IF THEY SAY THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN, AND THEN THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THIS IS AN EXPEDITED TYPE TWO ANNEXATION AND PER MY UNDERSTANDING, AND WE'VE GOT TWO LAWYERS HERE.
THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
IF THE SEVEN CONDITIONS ARE MET AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MUST APPROVE THIS, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO APPROVE IT, IT DOES GO TO COURT.
THE CASE HISTORY ON THIS, AND BOTH OF YOU, LAWYERS CAN JUMP ON THIS IS THAT THE JUDGE OVERTURNS THAT RULING.
SO RATHER THAN WASTE ANY MORE TIME, NOT THAT IT'S BEEN A WASTE, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY.
HOW CAN WE AS TWO COMMUNITIES WITH LOTS OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE TO SAY, MAYBE WE, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT WILL,
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WILL BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH ENTITIES, LOWER DENSITY.WE WOULD LOVE A SLOWER BUILD OUT.
WE, OUR SCHOOL WOULD LOVE, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CATCH UP WITH THE STUDENTS, THE INFLUX OF STUDENTS THAT THEY'RE HAVING.
UM, WE'D LOVE, YOU KNOW, ONE HOME PER ACRE.
WE REALIZED THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT, BUT COULD WE GET SOMETHING LESS DENSE THAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, FOUR HOMES PER ACRE OR SOMETHING COULD, COULD WE DO THAT? COULD WE LEAVE MORE GREEN SPACE? COULD WE GET A PARK? COULD WE AGREE AS ENTITIES THAT, UM, IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THERE IS A BIG PARCEL, RATHER THAN JUMP TO THE ANNEXATION STAGE, WE ALL SIT TOGETHER AND SAY, HOW COULD WE MAKE A BUFFER ZONE OF DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HUBER HEIGHTS, STENTS, IT'S MAYBE NOT BETHEL TOWNSHIP, FIVE ACRES DENSE, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE LIKE IT OR NOT, UNLESS WE ALL MOVED TO KENTUCKY AND JOINED ON, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE NEIGHBORS.
AND WE'D LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, AND FIGURE OUT SOME, BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT'S SELLING HOMES IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE IS BETHEL LOCAL SCHOOLS AND THIS RURAL FIELD.
BUT AS YOU HAVE DOUBLE HAS CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE HAS DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL.
YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT SMALL RURAL SCHOOL.
AND SO THE VERY THING THAT THEY'RE BUILDING FOR THAT'S THEIR BIG SELLING POINT IS GOING AWAY.
SO, AND WE'D LIKE IT NOT TO GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S OUR COMMUNITY SCHOOL AND GARY TRAILS DOESN'T WANT IT TO GO AWAY.
SO CAN WE LOOK FOR WHAT POSSIBILITIES WOULD BE THERE THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER ON THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE IT, UH, HELPFUL TO THE SCHOOLS, LESS HELPFUL TO THE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, NOT LESS HELPFUL, BUT LESS CONSTRAINTS ON THE TRAFFIC.
AND WHEN I SAY THIS, I DON'T SAY IT DOESN'T, I DON'T WANT IT TO SOUND LIKE, OH, I'M GIVING UP, I'M SELLING THE SHIP.
THIS IS AN EXPEDITED TYPE TWO.
IT IS THE SLAM DUNK OF ANNEXATIONS.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE AS TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES CAN BURY OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND SAY, WE'RE NEVER EVER GOING TO NEGOTIATE.
OR WE CAN SAY, LET'S WORK TOGETHER.
LET'S MAKE THE BEST DEAL OUT OF THIS AND GOING FORWARD, HOW, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT EXIST SO THAT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING LIKE THIS THAT'S 2 CENTS.
YOU COULD DO THE DEVELOPMENT AS BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
SO LET'S START THERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS COULD HOLD A MEETING, YOU COULD DISCUSS DENSITY, YOU CAN BRING THE DEVELOPER INTO YOUR MEETING.
WE HAVE MET, WE DID MEET WITH TRA AS TRUSTEES, UH, DON AND JULIE DID NOT.
BUT, UM, I DID WITH THE OTHER TWO TRUSTEES BACK IN THE DAY.
AND, UH, WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH MR. KEEBLER.
AND, BUT HE IS BOUND BY YOUR SECTION 4, 4 9 OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, WHICH HE DID NOT DISCLOSE WHILE HE WAS THERE, BUT THEN WHY WOULD HE, NOBODY TIPS ALL THEIR SHOWS, ALL THEIR CARDS.
AND WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY, AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO, TO TAKE THAT STAND SO THAT YES.
SO MR. MCDONALD IS THAT SECTION 4.9, MAYBE IN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IN THE DECK DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S ALMOST A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL AND IT TALKS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PARCEL OR AREA.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A SECTION THAT REFERS TO THIS AREA AS A POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREA, BUT I HONESTLY DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT SAYS.
IT SAYS NORTH SOUTH OF 40 AND BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2.
BASICALLY, IF DECK BUYS PURCHASES AND WANTS TO PURCHASE ANY LAND, HUBER HEIGHTS HAS THE RIGHTS OF FIRST REFUSAL FOR ANNEXING THAT PROPERTY.
THEY CANNOT SEEK SERVICE AGREEMENT FROM ANY OTHER ENTITY.
I MEAN, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SHOWED IT TO US.
SO I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE NIGHT NOW.
SO MY QUESTION AS BRIAN, WHEN YOU AND ANDY WORKED TOGETHER, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT TO DETERMINE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AS A COMMUNITY TO ALLOW BETHEL TO DEVELOP THAT AT THE SAME DENSITY THAT CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE IS CURRENTLY BUILT UNDER? YES, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, HOW THAT LANGUAGE READS.
WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, OUR COUNSEL AND THEIR ACCOUNTS, LEGAL COUNSEL, OR LEGAL COUNSEL AND THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, WITH REGARD TO THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THAT LANGUAGE AND HOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UH, EMPOWER BETHEL TOWNSHIP TO BE ABLE TO
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HOLD ON TO THIS PROPERTY AND MODIFY THEIR DENSITY AND FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THEIR OWN JURISDICTIONS.AND BETH GOING BACK TO CURATE TROLLS ONE FOR A MOMENT AND TALKING ABOUT THE EXPEDITED.
SO CARRIAGE TRAILS, ONE WASN'T DONE UNDER THIS, THIS ANNEXATION LAWS THAT ARE IN PROCESS NOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT WAS ON THE OLD ANNEXATION LAWS.
SO, UM, AND DO YOU RECALL HOW THAT, SO, YEAH, IN 19 98, 99 AND 2000 AT THE TIME UNDER THE ANNEXATION LAWS, THE STATE OF OHIO, THE TOWNSHIPS ACTUALLY VOTED ON IT.
I WAS NOT A TRUSTEE AT THAT TIME.
UM, THEY VOTED AGAINST THE ANNEXATION.
UM, THEY WERE OVERTURNED IN THE COURT AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WERE OVERTURNED IN THE COURT WAS THERE WERE NO SERVICES TO ARRIVE AS BETHEL TOWNSHIP HAD NO WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BETHEL TOWNSHIP DID IN 2003, WE PASSED THIS LEVY CALLED THE 3.8 MIL LEVY.
IT'S KEEP GOING IN AND OUT ON THIS.
UM, AND WE'VE USED IT FOR, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS MAINLY IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE WATER AND SEWER IN THE SOUTHERN END OF THE TOWNSHIP THAT GOES ALL ALONG STATE, ROUTE 40 IS AN OUR FACILITIES PLANNING AREA, THIS NEW PROPOSED 260 ACRES.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WROTE YOUR AGREEMENTS, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER, THANK YOU.
UM, AND WE WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN PUTTING IN THE FIRST SETS OF SEWER AND WATER, UM, IN 2007, 8, 9, 13.
SO, UM, BUT REGARDLESS, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE CAN SERVICE RIGHT NOW, THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY, UM, OF, AND IT'S IN OUR FACILITIES PLANNING AREA.
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW MULTIPLE TIMES, SO I'M JUST GOING TO NEED TO SAY THIS.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE ISSUE ISN'T THAT THAT PROPERTY BECOMES HUBER HEIGHTS.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR ISSUE IS THE DENSITY BECAUSE THEY KEEP HEARING, WE DON'T WANT TO BE HEBREW HEIGHTS.
YOU'RE CHANGING OUR CULTURE WHERE WE LIKE TO COME TO YOU, PRICE TO SHOP.
WE LIKE ALL OF THIS, ABOUT HEBREW HEIGHTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE HEBREW HEIGHTS.
SO IF THAT IS THAT THE PROBLEM OR IS THE DENSITY OF THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE DENSITY AND KEEP ALL THIS PROPERTY WITHIN BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND DEVELOP IT YOURSELF.
WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO DO IS NOT DEVELOP ANYTHING EVER, EVER AGAIN, BUT WE ALSO KNOW, WE ALSO KNOW THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO GET TO WHAT THE BOTTOM OF WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE HERE IS, IS THE ISSUE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS HUBER HEIGHTS, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, OR YOU DON'T WANT A LOT OF HOUSES THERE.
W WHAT, WHAT IS THE ISSUE? AND WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THAT BEFORE WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE ALL I'VE EVER HEARD IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE HEBREW HEIGHTS.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HUBER HEIGHTS, CHANGE THE DENSITY, KEEP A BEVELED TOWNSHIP AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY YOURSELF.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD SOLUTION TO ME.
I THINK I CAN'T LOOK AT YOU GUYS AND TALKING TO THIS THING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UM, I WON'T SPEAK FOR DON AND JULIE, BUT I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE ISSUE IS, AND I'VE BEEN IN BETHEL A LONG TIME.
MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN BETHEL FOREVER.
SEEMS LIKE, UM, WE ALL USED TO SAY BACK IN THE DAY IN THE SEVENTIES, AH, HE WAS NEVER MOVING NORTH OF 70, NOT GOING TO DO IT.
AND THEN WE SAID, WHAT DON SAID, OH, I'LL NEVER BE IN MIAMI COUNTY NOW THERE HAPPENING.
AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, IN THE MID EIGHTIES, NINETIES, SOMETIMES SOMEBODY FROM HUBERT DID A MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWED HUBER HEIGHTS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO STATE ROUTE 5 71, AND THAT RESONATED STRONGLY IN PEOPLE'S BRAINS.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A DUAL PURPOSE.
UM, I THINK WE DON'T WISH TO BE HUBER HEIGHTS.
WE WISH FOR YOU GUYS TO BE HERE AND US TO BE THERE.
AND WE REALIZE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO A BUFFER ZONE IN BETWEEN US OF DENSER DEVELOPMENT.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WE COULD, IF IT WOULD STAY IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP THAT, SO, I MEAN, SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SOLUTION.
THE SOLUTION SOUNDS LIKE YOU CALL IT AS MR. CAMPBELL SAID, DO YOU CALL A MEETING? YOU, YOU HAVE AN OPEN MEETING, YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGING YOUR ZONING TO ALLOW FOR, UH, WHATEVER DENSITY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IF, IF, IF IT WAS BECAUSE AS IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE, IF WE GO WITH IT AND WE ALL AGREED TO A LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE BEING HEBREW HEIGHTS.
WHAT IF, IF, IF, IF WE AGREED TO A LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT WAS WHAT WAS WORKED OUT, THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT PROPERTY UP TO 40 BECOMING HUBER HEIGHTS AS LONG, AS LONG AS IT'S
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LESS DENSE.SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS.
IS IT THE DENSITY OR IS IT BECOMING HUBER HEIGHTS? FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S BOTH TO A DEGREE.
AND IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD TO PUT PERCENTAGES ON IT, IT'S 60% OF IT BECOMING HUBER HEIGHTS AND 40% THE DENSITY ISSUE.
BECAUSE IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD TAKE THAT 260 ACRES AND DEVELOP THE BACK HALF OF IT OR SOMETHING, THE WAY THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP IT.
AND THEN AS WE MOVE TO 40, IT BE LESS DENSE AND IT ALL REMAINED IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP THAT WOULD SERVE A GREAT PURPOSE FOR US.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I JUST DON'T WANT THOSE HOUSES BUILT STRAIGHT TO 40 AND IT STOPPED.
AND THEN AS SOON AS THEM ALL GETS DONE, YOU JUMP OVER 40, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MR. LAVEY THERE, THERE'S GOT MORE GROUND ACROSS 40 BOWMAN AND LANDIS HAS GOT GROUND ACROSS 40, UH, LANDIS'S, UH, IT'S CALLED OLD BARN LLC ACROSS 40, AND IT JUST KEEPS GOING AND IT JUST KEEPS GOING.
THAT'S HOW I, I STARTED MY HOPING STATEMENT WAS WHERE DOES IT STOP? SO IF IT REMAINED IN BETHEL, WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO STOP.
SO THAT WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I WOULD BE WILLING MY ONE THIRD VOTE AS A TRUSTEE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE LANDOWNERS AND THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT, THAT WORKED.
IF THAT REMAINED IN BETHEL, IT MIGHT COST ME BEING A TRUSTEE WHEN THE VOTERS VOTE FOR ME, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOW I KNOW WHERE HUBRIS IS GOING TO STOP, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN THE MAP THAT SHOWS HUBER HEIGHTS JUST CONTINUALLY, CONTINUALLY, CONTINUALLY GOING.
AND WE DO HAVE GROUND UP THERE.
OH, PROBABLY SOMEBODY IN BUFFALO COULD COME UP WITH IT.
WE KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T, WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, BUT PRETTY MUCH IF YOU'VE LIVED IN BETHEL, YOU'VE SEEN SOME RENDITION OF IT.
SO DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHO MADE THAT MAP? I SAW AN APP.
OH, I MEAN, YEAH, BUT SEEING IT, BUT WHO MADE IT? SO SOMEBODY IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP SAYING, OH MY GOSH, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? OR WAS IT SOMETHING IN HEBREW HEIGHTS? OKAY.
SO, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HEBREW HEIGHTS OR THE TOWNSHIP.
YOU GUYS DID A, UM, LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE GROWTH PLAN.
IT WAS, MUST'VE BEEN NOT 88, LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES.
AND IT DID SHOW CITIES REACH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO STATE ROUTE 5 71, THE STREETS, RIGHT.
AND THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO, MR. MCDONALD, DID YOU REQUEST A RECORD SEARCH AND FIND THAT MAP THAT THE CITY OF DOVER HEIGHTS HAD COMPLETED? I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
I APPRECIATE SEEING YOU GUYS AGAIN.
I'M GLAD THIS MEETING GOT TO TAKE PLACE.
UM, CAN YOU, I'M NEW, I'VE JUST BEEN HERE A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS AND DENSITY ARE FOR YOUR TOWNSHIP? I KNOW IN ANOTHER TOWNSHIP, IT'S ONE HOUSE, 10 ACRES.
COULD YOU TELL ME YOUR RATIO AND BETHEL TOWNSHIP I'M MIGHT.
IT'S A NEW, CAN WE DO IT? I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE HAVE, UM, I THINK EIGHT ZONING CATEGORIES, IF YOU WILL.
AND WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE HIGHER DENSITY WE HAVE, IN FACT, WE HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY FOR PROPERTY THAT IS CONTIGUOUS TO A MUNICIPALITY TO ALLOW THAT HIGHER DENSITY IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY DO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
IT ALLOWS MERIT MIRROR, MIRROR THE MUNICIPALITY.
THAT'S CALLED PLAINTIFF ON THE TRANSITION.
AND WHAT IT IS IS WHERE YOU ABUT THE MUNICIPALITY.
YOU CAN USE THE MUNICIPALITIES LAW.
SO WHATEVER CARE'S CHARLES ONE DENSITY IS, WE COULD USE THAT DENSITY IN THAT DEVELOPMENT TOO, AND THEN GRADUALLY IT DOWN, UM, TO, SO OUR LOWEST RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER ACRE IN OUR RURAL AREAS.
WE COULD TAKE THAT AND TRANSITION IT DOWN AS IT MOVED NORTH.
BECAUSE I WENT BY THE TRAILER PARK SATURDAY ON 40, AND THAT'S A HIGH DENSITY AREA.
SO THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR LIKE PROBABLY 40 YEARS, IF NOT 60, LIKE 60.
SO YOU GUYS HAD CULTURE CHANGE LONG TIME AGO FOR DENSITY THAT YOU LET THAT GO IN.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT BRANDT AND FOUNTAIN AND WEST CHARLESTON, THOSE ARE LIKE 0.2 ACRES, 0.1, FIVE ACRES, BUT NO SEWER AND WATER AT THE TIME.
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NOW THEY HAVE THEM.BUT SO THAT WASN'T GOOD EITHER.
UM, WE TRANSITIONED WE'VE, WE'VE GRADUALLY INCREASED OUR LOT SIZES OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT UNTIL 1990 WAS 0.717 ACRES.
MIGHT'VE BEEN LATER THAN THAT.
I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT DATES AND NUMBERS.
UM, BUT THAT'S AS ARE, WE'VE HAD CLUSTERS OF DENSE DEVELOPMENT IN BRANDS IN FOUNTAIN, IN WEST CHARLESTON.
AND YOU KNOW, THOSE LITTLE HAMLETS ARE OLD, 130 PLUS YEARS, 40 PLUS YEARS OLD.
UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENED IN THE REST OF THE TOWNSHIP.
AND SO CURRENTLY, AS JULIE SAID, UM, ONE ACRE WITH SOAR AND WATER AND THEN TWO ACRES, NO SOAR IN WATER, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS TRANSITIONAL ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MIRROR THE MUNICIPALITY THAT IT'S NEXT TO.
I LIKE THESE SUGGESTIONS OF HOW WE GET TOGETHER WITH OUR PEOPLE AND WE TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT AND HOPEFULLY THE DEVELOPER WOULD AGREE TO LET HIS, UM, PEOPLE HE'S DEALING WITH TALK TO US AND HOPEFULLY HE WOULD COME AND TALK TO US.
CAN WE GET THE COUNCIL TO GIVE US ONE YEAR A MORATORIUM ON ANNEX AND PUSH THE VOTE OFF FOR ONE YEAR? OH, SO YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT.
IF WE CAN DO IT TONIGHT AND OVER THE WEEKEND, IT TAKES THE MONEY TO THAT DEVELOPER AND MAYBE HE'LL HE'LL MAKE A GOOD DEAL.
BUT HE CAN'T WRITE BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO RELEASE HIM FROM THE CONTRACT.
SO I THINK WE HAVE, SO NUMBER ONE, WE GOT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE CURRENT WE KEEP THAT IT'S THE TYPE TWO ANNEXATION.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE STATUTE OF THAT SAY, CAN ANY OF THAT EVEN BE CHANGED AT THIS POINT? UM, IF WE GO BACK TO, UH, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU GUYS HAD, OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT PIECES OF PROPERTY STAY IN ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP OR WHAT MIGHT GET NXT RIGHTS BASED ON DENSITY AND THEN THE DENSITY CLEARLY.
SO WE'VE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TALKS MONEY.
WHAT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT'S NEVER NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.
IF I OFFERED YOU $2 MILLION IN HIS HAND OR $7 MILLION IN THIS HAND, WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO PICK UP? THE STRINGS ARE 99.
AND I WILL ADMIT YOU'RE A VERY RARE PERSON, BUT MO MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PICK THE ONE THAT'S GOT $7 MILLION.
AND I ASSUME THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOUR LANDOWNERS ARE DOING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES BACK TO IF THIS ANNEXATION WILL GO THROUGH BRIAN, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS TRAFFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, UM, TRAFFIC LOW INTO THE SCHOOLS NOW.
SO I'M JUST OFF THE CUFF HERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF OUR OWN RESEARCH TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF REVENUE, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON THOSE STATE ROUTES WHERE THE, WHERE THE SCHOOL'S OUT TO HELP, UM, TO HELP YOU TO WIDEN OR INCREASE, TO ALLOW MORE, MORE TRAFFIC TO MAKE THAT SECTION OF TOWN ON, SIT ON TOO.
I WANT TO MAKE, TO MAKE THAT MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING INTO THE SCHOOLS.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT TO HELP? SO, YEAH, CONCEPTUALLY, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER JURISDICTIONAL LAYER WITH A OH ODAT OR WITH A MIAMI COUNTY.
UM, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
UH, AND IF THE LAW DIRECTOR IS AWARE OF SOMETHING, I AM NOT THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, SIR, THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM ENTERING IN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP OR WITH THE COUNTY TO SAY THAT WE WOULD HELP SUPPORT A PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THE FUNDING, UM, OR THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO ASSUME MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR CERTAIN SECTIONS OF CERTAIN ROADS.
UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS IN FRONT OF THE, THE SCHOOL MIGHT BE A BIT OF A STRETCH IF WE WERE TO BE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE OR SERVICE ISSUES, BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO, TO FUND OR SUPPORT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, INDIRECTLY WOULD BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS, ASSUMING THAT THE ANNEXATION WOULD GO THROUGH THOSE WOULD BE OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO THAT SCHOOL.
UM, IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
AND, BUT AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO BRING IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT SINCE WE WOULD BE OFFERING FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO, UH, TO THE CONDITION, I DON'T KNOW WHY FOLKS WOULD SAY NO.
UH, BUT, UH, BUT THAT IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE COULD ENTER INTO A PARTIES WERE WILLING.
AND HE IS THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR.
IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS A MAKE SURE EARS PERK UP OR IS THAT A, OH NO, NOBODY WANT TO DO THAT? WELL, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES IN STORE WE HAVE, UH, AND WE HAVE IN GENERAL, UM, WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANT TO GO BACK
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TO WITH YOUR STATEMENT AND KIND OF CONTROLLING OUR OWN DESTINY, UM, IS IF YOU CAN, CAN WE TALK TO REALLY KIND OF LEVEL THAT PLAYING FIELD WITH CONTROLLING AROUND DENSITY AROUND DESTINY OF THAT ONE SECTION OF YOUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SAYS, IF TECH DOES ANY DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE TO COME SEEK ANNEXATION.IF THEY WANT SERVICES, WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES.
NOW WE COULD NOT BE FOR NOW, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WHY WE'RE STUCK WITH WHERE WE'RE STUCK AT RIGHT NOW WITH DEBT.
WE HAVE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TRANSITION WE PUT INTO OUR CODE, BUT THEREFORE THEY'RE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO YOU TO GIVE YOU THAT ABILITY TO IN IT.
SO KIND OF NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOUR AGREEMENT CONTROLS THE DEVELOPER, BUT DENSITY WOULD CHANGE THAT IF YOU HAD THE SAME DENSITY IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
SO I WAS SAYING IS WE CAN USE YOUR IDENTITY, BUT WE, BUT WE CANNOT.
WE'VE ASKED MR. MCDONALD TO LOOK THAT AND GET BACK WITH US.
SO THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE, THE LAND USE PART OF IT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU ASK ABOUT THE DENSITY.
WELL, I'M ASKING ABOUT SECTION, I THINK IT'S 4.9.
IS IT BETH? BETH HAD, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, TO BE ABLE TO HELP CONTROL THAT DENSE THAT DESTINY, MR. MCDONALD, TO GET BACK WITH US AND LET US TO BE FANTASTIC.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THANK YOU.
YEAH, I GUESS, I MEAN, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN TONIGHT.
MARK, WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THESE ADDITIONAL HOMES AND THE STRESS AND BURDEN THAT MAY PLACE ON THE SCHOOLS.
YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER THE TRANSITION DENSITY AND HOW WOULD THAT NOT AFFECT THE SCHOOLS THAN IF YOU DID THE PROGRAM OUT AND IT WOULD LOWER AS IT CAME, SAME OVERALL DENSITY IN OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO HOW MANY HOMES COULD THE SCHOOLS HANDLE IN YOUR OPINION? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FROM THE SCHOOL.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S, IT, THAT'S A TWO-PRONGED QUESTION BECAUSE IF WE WOULD DO THE TRANSITION ZONE, THAT'S IT, IT STOPS, IT STAYS BETHEL NORTH OF 40.
DOESN'T GET, WE'LL BUMP IT UP TO WHAT JULIE WANTS, WHICH IS FIVE ACRES, MINIMUM, LOT SIZE, AND BE DONE WITH IT.
AND WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT LIKE CARRIAGE TRAILS TO WITHIN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, THE RULES WITH ANNEXATION, IT HAS TO BE CONTIGUOUS WITH A MUNICIPALITY THAT IF IT DIDN'T GET ANNEXED WOULD STOP SOME OF THAT CONTIGUITY, NOT ALL OF IT, BUT SOME OF IT.
AND WE KNOW WE'VE ALL BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK ENOUGH, THE DEVELOPER WANTS LARGER TRACKS OF LAND, NOT 1, 2, 3 ACRES.
UM, THAT ALSO PUTS A BUFFER FOR US AND BLOCKS THOSE LARGER ACRES NORTH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALL LOOKED AT THE MAPS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S ELSE IS OUT THERE.
UM, SO YEAH, WE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY, IT WOULD IMPACT THE SCHOOLS IF WE DID THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN THAT'S IT TO DON'S ORIGINAL QUESTION.
WHEN DOES THIS STOP? IT STOPS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE.
AND YOU GUYS WOULD CREATE THAT BY STYLE.
WE WOULD CREATE A BUFFER ZONE.
THAT'S HOW YOU YOU'RE ASKING ME.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND CHANGE MORE OF THE, THE ZONING CHANGES ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND CHANGE IT.
WHAT SHE'S SPEAKING OF IS WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW? THE TRANSITIONAL THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW AND THEY SPOKE OF IT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS AT THE SCHOOLS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GOING TO MAX OUT AT SOME POINT.
AND BETH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU CONTROLLED THE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNEW WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD STOP, THAT'S WHAT WOULD CONTROL THE STUDENT INFLUX? YEAH, I THINK THAT CONCISELY SAYS IT.
I THINK IT GOES IT'S, IT'S ADDS TO DON'S QUESTION, WHICH IS WHEN DOES THIS END? AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE MORE HOMES BUILT IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP, BUT THERE WILL BE HOMES ON 1, 1, 2, 3, 7, LOTS.
I THINK OUR PEAK YEAR WAS 2017 AND WE BUILT 17 HOMES IN OUR BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
YOUR PEAK YEAR WAS CARRIAGE TRAILS WAS 120 HOMES.
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A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE AND JUST IN TERMS OF NUMBERS.SO YES, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR US.
WELL, IDEAL WOULD BE NO MORE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
AND YOU CALL THE ATTORNEY, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS HEBREW HEIGHTS, CITY SCHOOLS TO NEIGHBOR HEIGHTS WOVEN IT? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT? HE WRITES SCHOOLS, UH, THERE A STATUTORY PROCESS TO CHANGE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I'M NOT FULLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THEM, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET.
I'D HAVE TO REVIEW THAT WHAT THAT IS THOUGH, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE DOLLARS AND THE, THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN FLOODED INTO THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THE AMOUNT OF ANNUAL REVENUE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GETS FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A FIVE MEMBER BOARD OF EDUCATION TOO, THAT I'M SURE WOULD ENJOY $4 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE AND $20 MILLION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS INTO OUR, INTO OUR OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE.
SO, UM, IF THE SCHOOL SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES HERE, COULD WE FIND OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UM, TO PETITION TO MAKE THIS HUMAN RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS? I MEAN, AT THE ANNEXATION GOES THROUGH AND IT'S IN THE SAFETY BRIGHTS.
I REALIZED THERE WOULD BE A SECTION OF BETHEL SCHOOLS IN BETWEEN HE WRITES SCHOOLS AND THEN WHAT THIS NEW SECTION WOULD BE.
BUT, UM, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THOSE HUMAN RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, WHAT A MINUTE AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE WORK THIS OUT TO WHERE IT STAYED IN BETHEL? SO I GOT THIS LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA THAT YOU WAS THINKING THAT WOULD BE AN ALL RIGHT IDEA.
AND NOW WE'VE KIND OF AGREED WITH IT AND SAYING, YES, WE CAN CHANGE.
AND YES, WE WILL TALK TO THE DEVELOPER.
AND YES, WE WILL WORK WITH THE LANDOWNERS.
AND NOW ALL AT ONCE, IT'S TURNED BACK AROUND TO WHERE IT GOES BACK TO HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT TO GO HERE? WELL, WHEN I'M ON IT IN BETHEL, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE, I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
YOU SAID, YOU SAID 60, 40, 60% STAY IN BETHEL 40% DENSITY.
SO THAT'S NOT YOUR, YOU HAVEN'T MADE YOUR SITUATION CLEAR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT THAT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY MY SITUATION IS, AS IT STAYS IN BETHEL, WE WILL CONTROL THE DENSITY.
WE WILL BE THEN IN CHARGE OF OUR FUTURE, BUT WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
AND I KNOW MR. CAMPBELL IS GOING TO SAY, HE TALKED TO THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THEY'RE EACH GOING TO LOOK IT UP, BUT WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THE, WITH THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE HE'S WITH YOU.
AND HE'S GOT THE LANDOWNER TIED UP TO WHERE WE CAN'T DO IT EITHER.
SO WE ARE IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN CHARGE OF OUR OWN DESTINY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, YOU GOT IT.
OR SOMEBODY HAS GOT IT ALL LOCKED UP, THAT WE CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE.
I WANT TO GET THERE FROM HERE TONIGHT.
I'M TELLING YOU THEN I WON'T WORK ON IT AND ALL, BUT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT FROM YOU GUYS.
I SAID A YEAR, SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T AGREE ON THAT.
BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO GET IT DONE IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO MEET NEXT THURSDAY TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON WHETHER THEY APPROVE IT OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
WHY DO YOU, WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? WELL, HOPEFULLY THIS I'M ASKING MA'AM PLEASE, PLEASE.
I WILL CALL YOU OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THIS MEETING.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN, LISTEN TO THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT THIS DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES AND OUR STAFF.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU SAY THAT NO ONE UP HERE HAS MADE THEIR POINT CLEAR OR SAID WE'RE IN FAVOR OR NOT.
IS THERE ANYBODY UP HERE WHO HAS SEEN ANY RESEARCH AND REVENUE OR COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE MY RC TO HANDLE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT? IF SOMEBODY HAS SEEN THAT, PLEASE SPEAK UP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY UP HERE HAS MADE UP THEIR MIND 100% CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE RESEARCH.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'LL TAKE YOU TO DO THAT RESEARCH AND MAKE UP YOUR MIND? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE DISCUSSION I'VE HAD WITH, WITH MR.
AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIRING A NEW CITY MANAGER, WE HAVE WE'RE SHORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
OUR TOP LEVEL OF STAFF, SOME ARE PULLING DOUBLE AND TRIPLE DUTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
AND THIS ISN'T THE ONLY THING ON OUR DOCKET.
I MEAN, WE W THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
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MIAMI COUNTY MAKES A DECISION.THAT'S WHEN IT GETS REALLY SERIOUS.
AND WHEN THE RESEARCH NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO AS SOON AS WE DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I THINK THIS COUNCIL ABSOLUTELY IS GOING TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE NEW CITY MANAGER OR WHAT THIS PROCESS IS TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO, BUT IT IS UNFAIR FOR YOU TO SAY YOU WANT THAT IN A PUBLIC MEETING, BECAUSE NOBODY UP HERE HAS STATED THAT IF THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE IT THIRSTY, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE 120 DAYS? I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM LAST TIME, BUT THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP, THERE'S A 60 DAY WAITING PERIOD AFTER WE RECEIVE IT FROM THE COUNTY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 120 DAYS TO TAKE ACTION.
SO I WASN'T REAL FAR OUT OF LINE TO ASK YOU TO WAIT ONE YEAR, TO MAKE A DECISION WITH ALL OF THE STAFF SHORTAGES THAT YOU HAVE AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO COLLECT AND EVERYTHING MY, MY SUGGESTION OR, OR I ASK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL.
IT IS NOT THAT FAR OFF AS WELL.
SO THE COMPROMISE COULD BE SIX MONTHS, I THINK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
DON, YOU REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD YOU THE FIRST, UH, FIRST GO AROUND ON THIS.
YOU AND I SPOKE AFTER THE MEETING, THE FIRST GO AROUND ON THE EXTENSION OF SERVICES AND I TOLD YOU THEM, WELL, I WILL TELL YOU TONIGHT.
I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND ON THIS ANNEXATION.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH ENOUGH DETAIL TO VOTE.
SO I'M TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP RIGHT NOW, MY MIND IS MADE UP.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH DATA FROM OUR STAFF TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON THIS.
SO JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT IT AND YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND ON THIS SHOT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO PULL THIS COUNSEL, UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM MR. SHAW AND MR. OTTO, THAT THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION YET TO SOUND FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
WHEN I GET THAT INFORMATION AS A HUBER HEIGHTS COUNCIL PERSON, I'LL DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WITH ALL THE INTENTION OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN BETHEL.
AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WHO PUTS THE VOTE OR RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHO PUTS THAT ON THE AGENDA? ALL THE AGENDAS CREATED BY THE NUMBER.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY, GETTING TO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE HE ENDS ALL HAVE THAT TIME TO DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT EITHER.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING? UM, I WAS NOT AROUND AS A TRUSTEE IN THE LAST ANNEXATIONS, WHICH HAPPENED BEFORE MY TIME.
SO I JUST, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THE PROCEDURE.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, BUT IF I LOOK AT, AND I'M GOING TO READ THIS OUT LOUD SO THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, IF I READ THE, HOW THE EXPEDITED TYPE TWO ANNEXATION PROCEDURE IS WRITTEN, AND WE'VE GOT TWO LAWYERS IN HERE, THEY CAN CLARIFY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO VOTE ON THIS.
UM, MAYBE YOUR CITY COUNCIL, MAYBE YOUR CITY CHARTER MAKES YOU VOTE, BUT LET ME JUST READ THIS QUICKLY, UM, ABOUT IT.
SO THIS IS EXPEDITED TYPE TWO ANNEXATIONS PETITIONS BY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH OR WITHOUT CONSENT OF MUNICIPALITY AND TOWNSHIP SHIPS.
SO, UM, IT SAYS EXPEDITED TYPE TWOS, ANNEXATIONS ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER ORC 709.2 0.023 IN EXPEDITED TYPE TWO ANNEXATIONS.
THE PETITION MUST INCLUDE THE SIGNATURES OF ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE TERRITORY TO BE PROPOSED, TO BE ANNEXED.
IN ADDITION, THE TERRITORY ANNEXED IS NOT AT ANY TIME TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THE TOWNSHIP UNDER ORC 5 0 3 0.07, THE TERRITORY THUS REMAIN SUBJECT TO THE TOWNSHIP'S REAL PROPERTY TAXES.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS IN THE CASE WHERE AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT ORC 7 0 9 0.192 OR COOPERATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ORC 707 1 0.07 HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO THAT ALLOWS SOME OR ALL OF THE TERRITORY TO BE EXCLUDED OR REMOVED FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
FURTHERMORE, THE ANNEXATION MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE CONSENT OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR TOWNSHIP.
SO I I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE I'M NOT AN EXPERT
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IN THIS.UM, WE ALREADY SENT A RESOLUTION, UM, TO OUT TO THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OPPOSING THIS, BUT WE DON'T VOTE ON IT.
WE DID IN 1999 UNDER DIFFERENT LAWS, BUT I, IF YOUR CITY CHARTER SAYS, YOU VOTE ON IT, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT THE ORC PER MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A LAWYER SAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CONSENT AND I, YOU GUYS CAN SPEAK VOLUMES TO THIS CAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU WENT TO LAW SCHOOL.
I MEAN, AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE TIMEFRAMES OF DURING THIS.
W WHAT YOU'RE READING IS, UH, FROM A MANUAL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND AS FAR AS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE CONCERNED, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE CONSENT OR NOT CONSENT.
THERE'S A SECTION IN THERE THAT SAYS WE CAN CONSENT, OR WE CAN JUST NOT SEND ANYTHING.
SO FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHO CONSENT OR NOT CONSENT.
AND WHEN YOU GO LATER INTO THE LAW, THE CITY HAS TO ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION.
THE COMMISSIONER IS JUST LOOK AT THOSE SEVEN FACTORS, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENTS ARE SAYING, SUPPORT, NOT SUPPORT, THEY ARE CONFINED TO THOSE SEVEN FACTORS.
SO IF THEY WOULD TURN IT DOWN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S DECISION? WELL, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT DECISION IF THEY, IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
DOES A LOT OF THIS COME DOWN TO JUST THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, PROPERTY RIGHTS, THAT PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS COUNTRY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY AND SELL IT TO WHO THEY WANT TO SELL IT TO FOR THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN GET FOR IT.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF THE BASIS AROUND HOW THESE LAWS ARE WRITTEN? BECAUSE IF ANYBODY'S DENYING SOMEBODY, THE RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT EITHER.
SO, SO IS THAT KIND OF THE PREMISE, HOW A LOT OF THESE ANNEXATION LAWS ARE WRITTEN, OR JUST BASED ON THIS AS AMERICA AND YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS WHEN YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU OWN PROPERTY, I'M GOING TO READ IN THE SPEED.
YOU'RE THE ANNEXATION, THE EXPEDITED ANNEXATION IS JUST THAT.
I COULDN'T HEAR, PLEASE SAY THE EXPEDITED ANNEXATION LAWS WERE JUST THAT BEFORE THIS, YOU HAD TO GO TO COURT TO HAVE A ANNEXATION.
AND NOW IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALL WANT ANNEXATION, THEY CAN PETITION AND GET THE ANNEXATION AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA.
SO A LOT OF THIS JUST REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THERE'S THREE OR FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN PROPERTY, WHO, WHO WANT TO SELL IT TO WHO THEY WANT TO SELL IT TO WHO THEY'VE GOT THE BEST, WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT THE BEST VALUE OR THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY CAN GET FOR IT AND, AND WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A WAY TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
WELL, THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THE CHANGES IN 2003 WERE BASED IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE FACT THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND TOWNSHIPS WERE CONSTANTLY LITIGATING THE ISSUE AND IT WAS TAKING YEARS UPON YEARS UPON YEARS.
SO, UH, WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID WAS COME UP WITH A SERIES OF EXPEDITED, UM, ALTERNATIVES WHERE TOWNSHIPS WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHALLENGE THEM IN COURT IN EXCHANGE.
UM, THE, THE, IF YOU USE THE EXPEDITED TWO, IT CANNOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT THE CONSENT, UH, OF THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF, OF THE CHANGE IS, IS EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO AVOID LONG, DRAWN OUT LEGAL CHALLENGES.
UM, TOWNSHIPS WANTED TO PRESERVE TAX SPACE.
UH, CITIES WANTED TO CREATE MORE OF AN EXPEDITED PROCESS AND NOT HAVE TO GO TO COURT.
UH, AND THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE WAS THE, NOBODY USES EXPEDITED THREE AND THEY EXPEDITED TOO.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED UNDER THE EXPEDITE AND ONES, WHICH IS DONE UNDER AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, THAT THERE COULD BE SOME LEVEL OF COOPERATION BETWEEN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO CREATE A VISION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE DONE IN A CERTAIN AREA.
AGAIN, I THINK WHAT I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IF, IF THE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED, NO, BUT THEN THERE'S THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE HERE, RIGHT.
WHERE DO THEIR RIGHTS COME INTO PLAY? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
CAUSE YOU SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT UNFAIR.
NOBODY SAID THEY COULD APPEAL.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE GENESIS OF MY QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY COULD APPEAL TO A COURT, BUT I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND I, THEN I HEAR IT ALL OVER THE STATE AND REZONING HEARINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT'S A POLICY DECISION, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE
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HAVE ZONING, RIGHT? SO THE PROPERTY RIGHTS, UH, ARE NOT UNFETTERED.UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK THERE, UM, IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, UH, STAFF INVOLVED AND SEEING WHERE THERE'S SOME AREAS OF, OF MUTUAL AGREEMENT AND POTENTIALLY GOING BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND, YOU KNOW, JERRY AND I CAN TALK IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT THE AGREEMENT, UH, ALLOWS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME SMART ADMINISTRATORS.
UM, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS.
AND THIS IS EVEN FUTURISTIC OUT.
IF THIS, YOU DID DEVELOP THIS AREA AND EVERYTHING, AND IT STAYED BETHEL, HOW, HOW FAR ARE YOU FROM BECOMING YOUR OWN CITY? SO WE NEVER HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
SO YOU NEED 5,000 RESIDENTS TO BECOME A CITY.
AND YOU ALSO NEED A DENSITY OF AT LEAST 800 PEOPLE FOR TWO PER MILE PER, FOR TWO SQUARE MILES.
SO A MINIMUM OF 1600 PEOPLE IN A TWO SQUARE MILE AREA, WE WERE THE LAST SENTENCE CENSUS, UM, 4,700 AND SOME PEOPLE, UM, AND OUR DENSITY IS 144.
SO MAYBE WE COULD, IF WE DEVELOPED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE THAN THAT, WE, WE COULD BECOME OUR OWN VILLAGE AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE'VE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT.
I COME FROM A TOWN OF LESS THAN A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND WAS RAISED ON A 250 ACRE FARM.
I NEVER WANT TO GO REALLY UP INTO YOUR AREA.
I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE YOUR OWN ENTITY.
AND SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO EXPLORE THAT IF YOU DID GET TO KEEP THIS PROPERTY, SO THEN IT'S NO LONGER A CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BECOMING A VILLAGE.
WE, UM, WE'VE KICKED AROUND A LOT OF IDEAS AND, UM, YEAH.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PROPOSING THE IDEA OF POSSIBLY MOVING THOSE STUDENTS TO WAYNE, WHETHER IT'S GOOD ID OR NOT.
I STILL APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU CAME UP WITH THE IDEA.
I THINK ALL IDEAS SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE AND SHOULD NOT JUST BE IMMEDIATELY DISMISSED.
SO APPRECIATE THAT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOUGH, IF, IF WE DID, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OF COURSE MAKE OUR OWN DESTINY AS WELL.
BUT MY ONE CONCERN THAT POPS INTO MY MIND IS, OKAY, NOW WE'VE TAKEN THIS LITTLE 260 ACRES AND SORT OF MAYBE FIX THE PROBLEM FOR THAT LITTLE STRETCH, BUT WHAT'S TO STOP YOU FROM GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND ANNEX THING FROM ANOTHER POINT THAT TOUCHES, YOU KNOW, OUR TOWNSHIP.
SO THIS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A PARTIAL SOLUTION IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
SO, UM, JUST THE QUESTION THERE AND, UM, JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER, WHEN YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, RIGHT.
TO SELL A 100% DEGREE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL WHOEVER THEY WANT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY GET TO TURN IT INTO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I'M SURE THAT I CAN BUY A HOUSE AND PUT A PIG NEXT DOOR.
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF YOUR ZONING AND PART OF SOME THINGS THAT PREVENT ME, NOT SAD, SELL IT TO WHOEVER I WANT, BUT THEY THEN COULDN'T DO WITH WHAT, WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH IT.
SO JUST, JUST A POINT ON THAT.
SO SPEAKING TO FURTHER ANNEXATION, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, ANY OTHER PART OF BETHEL, I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH ANYBODY CURRENTLY GOING FORWARD.
ANYTHING ELSE I'M NOT AWARE OF, OF ANYTHING ELSE, UH, INTO BETHEL OTHER THAN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT'S BEEN TO THE FRONT OF US NOW, SO RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S UM, SO MY POINT IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, SO ANOTHER DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, COMES DOWN THE ROAD AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS LAND.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M BEHIND DAWN'S POINT ON WHERE DOES IT STOP? CAN WE GET A MORATORIUM OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE WILL NOT CONTINUE TO, TO, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY, TAKE YOUR LAND ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THAT PHRASE, BUT WE WILL NOT CONTINUE TO ANNEX YOUR LAND.
WHERE, WHERE CAN WE, CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT DRAWING THOSE BOUNDARIES? I THINK I WOULD BE OPEN TO, TO DISCUSSION ON THAT, MARK.
UH, BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, IF YOU FOLKS DEVELOPED
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THAT AND HAD THE, HAD THE DENSITY, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS CARRIED TRAILS, WOULD THAT GO OVER WITH YOUR VOTERS? I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED A COUPLE OF REFERENDUMS ON MAYBE A COUPLE OF PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT WENT TO THE BALLOT.IS THAT NOT TRUE? AM I REMEMBERING WRONG? THERE WAS A COUPLE OF REFERENDUMS, BUT EVERYBODY CAN LEARN AND WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB MAYBE TEACHING.
BUT WHEN I ASKED ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT THE ANSWER WAS NO, THERE WERE SOME REFERENCE, THERE WAS TWO REFERENDUMS ON SUBDIVISIONS ON POST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
IT WAS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
W DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY HOMES? UH, ONE OF THEM, UH, THE NUMBERS GO EVERY WHICH WAY AT, UH, AT THE PEAK OF THAT, IT WAS ABOUT 30 ON THE VERY FIRST PROPOSAL THAT THE GUY THAT DID IT KIND OF MADE SOME ERRORS IN JUDGMENT, BUT THE VERY FIRST PROPOSAL THAT CAME FORWARD SHOWED LIKE 80 HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK IF HE HAD COME WITH THE PLAN THAT HE ENDED UP WITH IN THE END, THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM.
BUT TO NAAMAN'S POINT, I THINK THE SENTIMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS CHANGING SOMEWHAT TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, IS IT DENSITY? UM, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER, BUT YES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE SCHOOL PROBLEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT STILL? UM, IN THE SCHOOL PROBLEM IS MORE THE POINT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS.
AND IF THERE WAS A CUTOFF AND YOU GUYS KNEW THAT THEN YOU COULD PLAN AND STRATEGIZE AROUND THAT NUMBER.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THE SCHOOL FINANCING WORKS, YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD AN ADVANCE, KNOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING.
IT'S KNOWING THAT STUDENTS ARE COMING AND THAT'S THE BOAT WE'RE IN NOW, YOU KNOW, 120 HOUSES, WE GET 120, 130 STUDENTS EVERY YEAR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE OR SIX O'CLOCK FIVE OR SIX CLASSROOMS, OR IF THE STUDENTS, AND IF YOU CAN IMAGINE BUILDING TO THAT, YEARDLEY, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
IT TAKES THREE YEARS TO BUILD A SCHOOL FROM THE TIME YOU HAVE AN ARCHITECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL NOW IT'S GOING TO BE FULL BY THE TIME IT OPENS, IT'S ALREADY FULL.
AND DID YOU BUILD IT THE SIZE YOU BUILD IT, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FULL AS SOON AS YOU OPEN IT BECAUSE YOU LACKED FUNDING.
UH, IT WAS PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING AND WE ARE TAKING MONEY FROM THE STATE, THIS ROUND, THE LAST SCHOOL WE BUILT THE PUBLIC FUNDED 100%.
IT WAS A BOND THAT PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY FUNDED, NO MONEY FROM THE STATE THIS TIME.
UM, WE'RE TAKING SOME MONEY FROM THE STATE.
SHOULD WE EVER GET IT BECAUSE IT'S SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OUT.
SO WE'RE IN AN EARLY PROGRAM FOR THAT.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE BORROWING AGAINST FUTURE TAX REVENUE.
SO JUST LIKE YOU WENT FOR A MORTGAGE, SO WE'RE BORROWING AGAINST THAT TO PAY FOR THE SCHOOL OURSELVES FIRST, HOPING THAT WHEN THE SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS IS UP, WE GET OUR PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY.
AND WE USE THAT THEN TO GO MORE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ADDING TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A K THROUGH FIVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THAT'S OPEN, THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE SPACE FOR THE, ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE FULL, WE'VE GOT TRAILERS.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, THE CHALLENGE IS A NIGHTMARE AND THE WAY SCHOOL FINANCING WORKS AND THE WAY YOU CAN BORROW IT, DOESN'T HELP YOU.
CAN'T JUST BUILD, YOU KNOW, SAYING, WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING, THAT WE'RE LIMITED IT.
AND JUST IN AN EFFORT TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, IF THERE WAS SOME HELP THAT OUR CITY'S ADMINISTRATION COULD LEND IN THAT AREA, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD ACCEPT THE HELP, BRIAN.
AND IN AN EFFORT TO HELP BETHEL SCHOOLS AND THE INCREASE OF STUDENTS THAT CARRY CHARLES ONE HAS ALREADY GENERATED, IS THERE ANY ASSISTANCE OR HELP THAT YOU COULD GIVE IN THAT AREA, MAYBE BY LOOKING AT THEIR FINANCES, UH, TAKING SOME OF THE SKILLSET THAT YOU'VE GARNERED OVER THE YEARS, BONDING AND FINANCING PROJECTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HELP WITH? YES, SIR.
WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP OUT IN ANY CAPACITY WE COULD IF WE WERE REQUESTED TO DO SO.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, UM, CARRIAGE TRAILS BEING 10 YEARS OLD, AND I THINK WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND HOMES.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S GENERATED TO THE SCHOOLS ANNUALLY OR HOW MUCH WE'VE GENERATED SO FAR TO DATE? UH, YES, SIR.
THE, THE ESTIMATE THAT WE WE'VE MOST RECENTLY CALCULATED IS FROM THE INCEPTION OF THE, UM, OF THE TIP, WHICH WAS 2005.
WHEN THE PROJECT RE BENCH ROCK THROUGH A YEAR-END 2021,
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UH, OUR ESTIMATES ARE APPROXIMATELY $14 MILLION IS WHAT'S BEEN GENERATED BY THE, UM, BY THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, SECTION ONE, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT AND, UH, OUR, UH, CALCULATIONS THAT OUR ESTIMATES FOR WHAT'S GENERATED ANNUALLY, UH, WOULD BE NORTH OF, UH, APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.SO LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THOSE NUMBERS.
SO THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT I TOLD YOU, THE COMMUNITY FUNDED WAS 22 AND A HALF MILLION, AND THE K THROUGH FIVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING IS 28 AND A HALF MILLION.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR THOSE STUDENTS TO BE AT THE SCHOOL.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE DOES NOT PROVIDE YOU THE ENTIRE AMOUNT TO GET A SINGLE STUDENT THROUGH SCHOOL.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE.
AND IS THAT HELP THAT WE COULD HELP PROVIDE AND ASSISTANCE? YOU KNOW, BRIAN, I THINK OUR BORROWING, UH, UH, ABILITY IS ABOUT $80,000 PER MILLION BORROWED SOUNDS ABOUT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE 4 MILLION, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF, UH, PRINCIPLE THAT WE CAN BORROW.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, I MEAN, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOL.
I WOULD SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN ANYHOW.
I MEAN, I, AT LEAST THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT, BUT IT ON THE TABLE, ANDY AND BRIAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? AND I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND GOALS ARE.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A TOTALLY SEPARATE JURISDICTIONAL BODY WHO HAS THEIR OWN SET OF GOALS AND, AND THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF PREMATURE THING WE SHOULD, OR SHOULDN'T HELP THEM UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS ARE.
DO WE KNOW THEY DON'T NEED HELP? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY NEED ONE HELPER.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.
PART OF THAT, NONE OF US ARE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.
WELL, I'VE HEARD YOU FOLKS TALK ABOUT WE'VE FLOODED THE SCHOOLS WITH STUDENTS.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, SOME OF OUR THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM IN THE ENROLLMENT BACK, WHAT 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS AROUND A LITTLE OVER 900 STUDENTS.
AND NOW IT'S ALMOST 2000 STUDENTS.
UH, AND REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE IN WITH OUR HOUSING SIZE, WE'VE ADDED MAYBE 50 HOUSES IN THAT TIME.
SO THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED HAS BEEN CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.
SO, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE STUDENTS ARE COMING FROM.
SO IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THAT'S BEEN, UH, ALMOST DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL, IF NOT DOUBLED AND MORE, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
I WON'T, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE SCHOOL AND STUFF.
SO I THINK WE'VE TALKED TO THE SCHOOL.
UM, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO SAY THEY CAN'T SERVICE THEIR STUDENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR JOB IS THERE TO DO IS TO SERVICE THE STUDENTS.
THEY DO HAVE GROWING PAINS, THEY DO HAVE TRAILERS, OUTBACK, THEY ARE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS.
UM, AND ANDY, YOUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COME TO THIS ROOM AND HAVE TOLD US THAT CARRIAGE TRAILS HAS STRESSED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND THAT, THAT CAUSED, THAT PROMPTED ME TO OFFER OUR HELP.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE ALL SAT HERE AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EITHER ACCEPTED, DENIED THAT.
I MEAN, AND ALL I'M ASKING WHAT YOU REACH OUT TO THEM, ASK THEM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST COME TO GIVE WHATEVER IDEAS SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED TO.
I WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED, UH, JERRY AND FINDING OUT WHAT THE PROCESS OF MAKING THIS, HE WRITES THESE SCHOOLS WOULD BE AS WELL.
WHAT WAS THAT? I THINK I HAVE AN INTEREST I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
AND IF, UH, IF THE ANNEXATION WENT THROUGH TO TURN THAT INTO, HE WRITES CITY SCHOOLS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, COULD BE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
IF A BIG PART OF THIS IS THE STRESS OF THE BETHEL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, UH, W WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE AS HUMAN RIGHTS SCHOOLS? OKAY.
SO, UH, IF THERE, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I THINK, DOES I'LL JUST ASK THE ADMINISTRATORS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND DETERMINE, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE, SO THAT YOUR TALKING POINTS TO DETERMINE WHAT, UM, IN WHAT DEVELOPMENT MAY A PROPOSED ANNEXATION AGREEMENT LOOK LIKE, OR, UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO COME BACK AND THEN REVIEW WHAT SOME OF THOSE MAJOR ISSUES ARE, OR WERE THERE, OR, OR DO WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION? AH, I THINK WE'RE AT, WE'RE DEFINITELY READY TO DO SOME INITIAL DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND MORE ABSOLUTELY.
AND WELL, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? SURE.
UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FOR US TO AT LEAST INITIALLY START WORK ON, UM,
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ON OUR PART ANYWAY.UM, YES, I, I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT SOME GENERAL COMMENTS AND CONCERNS THAT WE CAN START OUR DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY SPEAK WITH SOME OTHERS, THE DEVELOPER, THE SCHOOL, UH, AS NOTED, UH, JUST BASED ON MY NOTES.
UM, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ISSUES OF DENSITY, UH, TRAFFIC BOUNDARY, LIMITATION, BOUNDARY, AND LIMITATIONS OF FUTURE ANNEXATIONS, UH, ISSUES OF INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO ROADS, WATER, AND SEWER, UH, SERVICE, UM, THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THAT AREA, IF IT WERE TO COME IN, UM, UH, WAS A CONCERN TO BOTH PARTIES.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO ISSUES, UH, COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO, UH, TIMING OF THE BUILD-OUT, UH, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTED RELATIVE TO, UM, LET ME SEE HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT MY, MY NOTES.
UH, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T PRECLUDE OR LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT ON MR. MCDONALD, UH, AND I'LL WORK ON THAT.
THERE WAS SOME REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, OUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE AWAY FROM THE PROJECT SITE, AS WELL AS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE FULLY EXPLORED THE SCHOOL, ADDRESSING ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL, WHETHER, UH, BETHEL SCHOOLS, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS HAVING AN ABILITY TO TRANSITION THOSE STUDENTS TO HUBER, TO NOT OVERSTRESS THE SCHOOL, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE TO BETHEL SCHOOLS IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WANTED OUR ASSISTANCE TO HELP ADDRESS THEIR, THEIR NEEDS.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED, UH, THAT ANDY AND I AND THE TEAMS WOULD GO BACK AND, AND WORK THROUGH OR WORK FROM, UH, TO BEGIN STRUCTURING AN AGREEMENT.
SO IT WAS A GREAT SUMMARY UNDERSTANDING, GREAT SUMMARY, BRYAN, IS THERE ANYTHING, UM, THAT ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER TRUSTEE MEMBER WANTS TO DISCUSS PRIOR TO ADJOURNING THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED BY MR.
I WOULD ASK ONE MORE TIME THAT, UH, UH, YOU RECONSIDER, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTARY.
UH, IT IS, IN MY OPINION, UH, THAT A MAJORITY OF THIS DICE, INCLUDING THE TRUSTEES, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANY, UH, INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
UM, AS, AS, UH, MR. WEBB STATED, UH, THIS COUNCIL IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ANY DECISION ON THIS ANNEXATION UNTIL WE GET SOME HARD DATA ON COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, I WOULD ASK ABOUT WHEN WE MEET NEXT TIME THAT THE BETHEL BETHEL TOWNSHIP FOLKS COME BACK WITH SIMILAR HARD DATA TO HELP US IN OUR DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD AND TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF NEED OR AREAS THAT ARE, ARE REALLY OPEN TO NEGOTIATION, SOMETHING BEYOND THE FACT THAT WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE ANNEXED.
SO I THINK WE CAN'T DO ANY REAL, UM, GIVE AND TAKE UNTIL EACH OF THESE, EACH OF US KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES ARE.
SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I KEEP BRINGING UP THE SAME THINGS, I APOLOGIZE, BUT DO WE KNOW, I HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN YOU WILL KNOW IF YOU CAN RELEASE THE CONTRACTOR TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM? IS THAT, IS THAT ON US BASED ON DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THEY HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AGREEMENT THE CITY HAS WITH THE DEVELOPER REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL? YEAH.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE, OH, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIALITY I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IF HE CAN'T BILL FOR US TALKING MORE ABOUT THE SECTION 4.9, THEN HE'S GOING TO YES.
SO YEAH, AS SOON AS WE FIND THAT OUT, WELL, THEN THAT MIGHT, I THINK, I THINK JERRY ADDED THAT INTO HIS SUMMARY.
MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE TWO? WE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER.
UH, JERRY 24, 48 HOURS MONDAY, MONDAY.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADDRESS, UH, ON BRIAN OR ANDY SUMMARY GUN? IT'S NOT ON ANDY'S SUMMARY, BUT, UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHARE MY BELIEF THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO DRAG THE FOLKS OUT FROM OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THEM TIME TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS.
SO IF WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD, I HOPE THAT CAN BE THE CASE.
MA'AM JUST BRIEFLY, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SECTION 4.9 AND ONE OF THE MIRROR HAD JUST REQUESTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
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JERRY, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF US, INCLUDING THE BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES ARE COPIED IN ON WHAT THAT AGREEMENT ACTUALLY MEANS TO US MOVING FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS? UM, THE CLIFFSNOTES VERSION IS FOLLOWING, BUT SOMETHING THAT, UH, LETS US ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD TO.ANYTHING ELSE TO DIRECT, UH, EITHER THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR OR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE OR TO TALK ABOUT THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY? YES, RICHARD, UH, LASTLY, BEFORE WE DO WRAP UP THIS, UH, AND BEFORE WE DO GO OUR OWN SEPARATE WAYS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A, UH, A RECONVENING, UM, OF THIS BODY, UM, WITHIN, UH, WITHIN 45 DAYS, UM, TO DISCUSS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED, UM, RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN OBTAINED BY THAT TIME, THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WOULD, UH, WOULD HAVE MET, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER THAT 60 DAY HOLD.
UM, INITIALLY, UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYBODY START LOOKING AT THEIR SCHEDULES.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE THIS IN 45 DAYS.
ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE MEETING BE HELD, UM, IN, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, UM, UH, FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE.
ADDITIONALLY, SO, UH, RESIDENTS CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK AT THAT MEETING.
HEY, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP JUST WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN FIRE STATIONS.
SO EITHER WEAR A JACKET, IF IT'S GOING TO BE COLD OR WEAR YOUR SHORTS.
HOPEFULLY IT'S A NICE SPRING DAY.