[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road February 15, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL THE MEDIA IN THE CITY.
HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. JEFFRIES.
I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE TO WISH OUR SECRETARY HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
UM, I HAVE ONE COMMENT TO MAKE.
WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, CALLS COME IN REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS SPEAK MORE CLEARLY.
SIT UP TO THE PODIUM WHEN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, BECAUSE SOMEBODY EQUIPMENT'S NOT DOESN'T PICK UP A LOT, SO PEOPLE ARE NOT HEARING EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU SPEAK A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIOCESE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING? IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, I GUESS.
NOW THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS THAT ARE FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, HEARING NONE.
WE'LL GO ON TO SWEARING A WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCED WITH ACCORDANCE OF THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
I ALSO, UM, REQUEST THAT WHEN YOU DO COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK, TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET, PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM, UH, IS PENDING BUSINESS, A MINOR CHANGE, THE APPLICANT CHROMIN I'M SORRY, I CANNOT PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG IS REQUESTING A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A BASIC, OR I'M SORRY, IN A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR 2.55 ACRES AT 58 40 OLD TROY PIKE, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 45.
MR. SERENA, UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AGAIN, AARON SURROUND THE INTERIM CITY PLANNER WITH THE CITY HOOVER HEIGHTS.
SO, UH, THIS IS KCC 2145, A MAJOR CHANGE TO ESTABLISH VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT HERE ON THE OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, YOU SAW THIS CASE, UH, ONCE IN DECEMBER, UH HERE'S HERE'S THE SITE, UH, IT IS ZONED PLANNED COMMERCIAL, UH, SURROUNDING TO THE, TO THE NORTH NORTHEAST AND EASTERN SOUTH IS LARGELY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THERE IS COMMERCIAL TO THE DUE NORTH AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET ON OLD, OLD TOILET PIPE.
HERE'S A SITE FROM THE SPRING.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, UM, JUST SORT OF A POINT OF REFERENCE, UM, AS PROPOSED THE VEHICLE DISPLAY AREA, UH, REALLY LARGELY GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THAT SIGN, UH, THE FRONT YARD SIGN IS THAT THAT POST, UH, IS, IS THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE BUMPERS, ESSENTIALLY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE OF WHERE THAT MOVES TO.
SO THE SITE IS TWO AND A HALF ACRES, APPROXIMATELY ZONE PLAN COMMERCIAL.
THE PREVIOUS USE WAS SPECIALLY AUTO DETAILING.
UH, YOU HEARD AND TABLED THE, THE CASE ON DECEMBER 14TH.
UM, THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION, UH, READING THE MINUTES ABOUT, UH, THE BUFFER TO THE NORTH BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE FUNERAL HOME, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, VARIOUS DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, REVISED THE STAFF PLAN OR EXCUSE ME, THE SITE PLAN, UM, INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION THIS TIME, UH, AUTOMOBILE SERVICE, UH, NOT JUST SALES.
UM, THERE IS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AUTO SERVICE WOULD OCCUR ON THE SITE.
THE SITE PLAN ALSO HAS A, UM, POSSIBLE EXPANSION AREA OUTLINED FOR FUTURE, UM, GARAGE BAYS OR A POSSIBLE OFFICE.
UM, THEY ADDED MASONARY DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES TO THE REAR.
THEY ADDED A 42 FOOT EDGE HEDGE, WHICH LARGELY SPANS, UH, TO THE NORTH ON THE LENGTH OF THE DISPLAY AREA.
THEY ALSO INCLUDED 23, UH, 20 FOOT BY 20 FOOT HIGH LIGHT POLES, TWO IN THE FRONT ONE, THE REAR, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS JUST TOLD ME THAT TALKING TO THE LIGHTING COMPANY, THEY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH ONE POLE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE FRONT YARD SIGN, UM, TO ALUMINATE THAT DISPLAY AREA.
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THAN THAT, NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WERE SUBMITTED.SO HERE'S THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE UP HERE, UH, THIS IS THE, THE HEDGE THAT THE 42 INCH HEDGE THAT WAS THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE ADDED.
UM, THAT'S, UH, ALONG WITH THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREA TO THE REAR, THE, UH, THE MASONARY DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES, UH, TO THE VERY BACK, UH, ON THEN THREE LIGHT POSTS, UH, ROUGHLY HERE, MY OLD EYES HERE AND HERE, UH, TO THIS THAT IS REALLY, UM, THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONFORMANCE OF THIS PROPOSAL TO, UH, TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, THE PROPOSED USE OF SALES AND SERVICE ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO CHOOSES, UH, THAT IS A, UH, STIPULATION OF THE ZONING CODE THAT THOSE USES MUST BE APPROVED IN THE PLAN TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT THIS TIME, EXCUSE ME, AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE NO, UH, VEHICLE SALES USES IN THIS AREA, UH, DRIVING FROM THE SOUTH CORPORATE BOUNDARY UP, UH, NORTH TO, UH, REALLY 70, UH, ALONG OLD TROY PIKE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SORT OF A CHANGE IN THE USES.
UM, ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, BRINGS THE SITE OUT OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE YARD STANDARDS WITHIN THE PLAIN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, GOING BACK, OOPS, WRONG WAY SPECIFICALLY THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
UM, THERE IS A 15 YARD BUFFER REQUIREMENT THAT THAT IS ELIMINATED, UM, WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, SECONDLY, AS THIS DESIGNED, THE, UH, THE VEHICLES ARE MORE OF A DISPLAY AREA RATHER THAN A PARKING LOT.
THERE ARE THREE TIGHTLY PACKED ROWS OF VEHICLES, WHICH ACTS AS VEHICLE DISPLAY, UH, NOT AS A PARKING LOT.
UM, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION VIEWS THAT THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT MORE LIKE A PARKING LOT, WHICH IS STAFF'S VIEW, THIS SITE PLAN IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF, OF CHAPTER 1185, EITHER BOTH IN DESIGN AND, UH, WELL REALLY LARGELY IN DESIGN.
UM, SO MY ANALYSIS HERE, UM, WHILE THE BUFFER IS IMPROVED, THERE IS A FOUR FOOT HEDGE, ROUGHLY FOUR FOOT HEDGE THAT SPANS THE DIFFERENT, THE DISTANCE.
THIS SITE PLAN DOES ENCROACH OR FURTHER ENCROACH THAT PARKING, UH, INTO THE, TO THE NORTH, UM, RIGHT ALONG HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS LINE IS THE ORIGINAL BASICALLY EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT GOES AWAY.
THIS, THESE THREE LINES OF, OF VEHICLES.
NOW, UH, NOW TAKE THAT SPACE, UM, WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THIS 15 YARD OR 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD IS REQUIRED.
IT GETS CUT DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, UH, UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, THIS, THE, THE WAY THE VEHICLES ARE LAID OUT THIS FUNCTIONS AS REALLY MORE VEHICLE DISPLAY AND NOT PARKING THAT IN MY VIEW WOULD HAVE A PRETTY BIG IMPACT ON THE VISUAL CHARACTER OF OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, EVERY OTHER USE THAT WOULD HAVE FRONT, UH, PARKING OR PARKING IN THE FRONT AREA WOULD HAVE ONE ROW OF PARKING, A 20 FOOT DRIVE AISLE, AND THEN TWO ROWS OF PARKING, THIS REALLY COMPACTS AND SQUEEZES THAT RIGHT TO THE, TO OLD TROY PIKE.
SO I THINK THAT DOES, COULD HAVE, DEPENDING ON YOUR VIEWPOINT, A NEGATIVE VISUAL IMPACT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, UH, AND IN GENERAL, AS, AS I REVIEW THIS PROPOSAL, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE CODE, THIS TAKES THE SITE, UM, FROM A CONFORMING SITE TO A, NON-CONFORMING A SITE IN THE, UH, THE ZONING CODE.
HOWEVER, IT IS A PLAN COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS AND THOSE, THOSE CHANGES IN, UH, INDESIGN, UH, DETAILS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERS, CAN YOU SHOW THE LIGHTS AGAIN AND THE WAY THE LIGHTS WERE GOING TO BE, YOU DECIDED IT WAS IT'S CHANGED FROM YEAH.
SO THERE IS, UM, A LIGHT POLE.
LET ME LOOK AT MY CLOSEST VERSION.
THERE IS A, A LIGHT POLE PROPOSED HERE, AND ONE DOWN HERE, THOSE TWO WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED TO THIS MIDDLE AISLE, THIS MIDDLE ISLAND, UM, THE SAME HEIGHT, PROBABLY THE SAME HEAD ORIENTATION, BUT, AND IF WE DID NEED IT TO GET TO A CONFORMING PARKING LOT,
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W WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UH, THERE WOULD PROBABLY, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL ISLAND, BUT I THINK THEY COULD, SORRY.THEY COULD PROBABLY MAKE THE SITE FAIRLY CONFORMING WITH, WITH MINIMAL INVESTMENT.
UM, ONE BASICALLY SLIDE THESE, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE ROW NEEDS TO GO TO THE BACK, UH, TO MAKE IT FIT, UH, FROM A, UH, A 20 FOOT OR AN 18 FOOT, UH, DRIVE OR SOOTHING PARKING, UH, STALL ALONG WITH A 20 OR 22 FOOT DRIVE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FIT TWO OTHER ADDITIONAL, UM, ROWS RIGHT BACK HERE.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY ENDS UP BEING ONE ROW FRONT.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ONE PARKING WITH, UH, ONE, ONE DRIVE, UM, WITH HERE AND THEN SOME PARKING HERE, HERE, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK IF TO MAKE, IF THIS SITE IS GOING TO WORK, AND IF THIS SITE IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED LIKE A NORMAL PARKING LOT, UM, THE, SOME OF THE VEHICLES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHIFT TO THE REAR, OR THERE'S JUST LESS INVENTORY ON SITE, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE APPLICANTS CALL.
AND THEN WOULD YOU AGREE WHERE THE THREE ARE THAT ARE ENCROACHING ON THE NORTH LINE? I MEAN, TO MAKE THAT CONFORMING ONE, WE JUST NEED TO DO AWAY WITH THOSE THREE TO GET BACK TO THE 15 FOOT MINIMUM FOR THAT PART, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS CONFORMING.
UM, THERE WOULD FOR THE LANDSCAPING PURPOSES, UM, THERE, OTHER THAN LOSING THIS, THIS ONE ROW OF CARS, UH, THERE WOULD NOT BE MUCH THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO DO ADDING AHEAD WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BUFFER THE PARKING AREA, BUT, UM, TO BE IN CONFORMANCE, LOSING THIS ROW, IS IT MAKES IT HAPPEN.
AND THEN ON THE INGRESS COMING IN WHERE IT TURNS RIGHT INTO THE CARS, I MEAN, IS THAT SAFE OR REASONABLE TO HAVE THAT BE AN ENTRY EXIT THAT WOULD TURN RIGHT INTO INVENTORY? YEAH.
SO, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, NO, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY PULLED BACK SOME OF THE CURVING HERE SO THAT THERE IS ACCESS.
AND FROM THIS SITE, IF THERE WERE POSSIBLY THIS, THIS MANY VEHICLES, UH, ON, IN THIS DISPLAY AREA, IF THERE WAS A DRIVE AISLE, THEN, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY FUNCTION AND FLOW MUCH BETTER.
AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST ONE WOULD BE WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE THE CURRENT BUSINESS THAT'S THERE HAD SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT BASICALLY ORIGINAL PD, BUT BACK IN, YOU KNOW, THE PRE COMPUTER ERA WHEN WE JUST HAD IT ON PAPER AND A DRAWING, BUT NOBODY COULD FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIND OUT IF, I MEAN, HOW WE WOULD VIEW THAT IF THAT WOULD, WOULD'VE BEEN A, AN APPROVED USER THAT AS BEING THE, THE ADDITIONAL SETBACK TO WHERE THE CURRENT SETBACK IS, WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT BACK THEN, BUT NOBODY WAS ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING.
WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING DIFFERENT ON THE, I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING ON THAT.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THESE TWO, ACTUALLY THE, THIS SITE, THE ONE TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THE ONE FURTHER SOUTH, NONE OF THE, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE THEIR, UH, PARKING SETBACK PRETTY DEEP.
UM, AND IN FACT, THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY SITE THAT HAS, UM, FRONT YARD PARKING, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING IS WAY BACK THERE.
THIS USE HAS A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THE FITNESS CENTER TO THE SOUTH HAS NONE.
UH, AND NEITHER DOES THE FUNERAL HOME.
THEY'RE ALL TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
EXCUSE ME, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PHOTO, IT'S THE TOP.
IT'S NOT LOOKING, NO, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH.
THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION.
AND THE SITE LARGELY LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THIS TODAY.
YOU SAID THAT HE PULLED BACK SOME, UM, COMING INTO THE, IT, BASICALLY THIS GETS WIDENED GETS WIDENED OR IS WHITE IS WIDENED.
YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY BASED ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND SO THE, THE, THE NEW DRIVE MOUTH STARTS ABOUT HERE.
SO THIS, THIS SECTION IS ELIMINATED, UH, AND THEN THE DRY MOUTH IS, IS RIGHT HERE.
SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, IF WE DID HAVE AN APPROVAL,
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WOULD, WOULD ONE OF THE CONDITIONS BE ABLE TO BE THAT, THAT FRONT ENTRANCE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED OFF? BECAUSE IF WE SAY, WELL, THEY CAN'T PARK THERE, BUT IF SOMEBODY PULLS IN AND PARKS THERE ANYWAY, OR A GUEST IS OUT THERE, OR A CAR GETS LEFT OUT THERE, OR THEY END UP WITH INVENTORY, THAT ENTRY IS RIGHT INTO THERE.SO, SO I WOULD SAY IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE USE THAN THE, UM, THAN, THAN MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SUBMIT A PARKING PLAN.
THAT CON THAT, UH, IS THAT CONFORMS TO THE PARKING STANDARDS OF 1189.
AND THEN THEIR DESIGNER CAN WORK WITH US AND WE CAN HELP THEM.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS AUTO SALES WORK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, OR AT LEAST AUTO SALES PEOPLE WANT THEM TO WORK DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.
YES, THAT'D BE MY CONCERN IF WE GET IT TO WHERE WE SAYING, OKAY, IT CONFORMS OR CAN THE PARKING, BUT AFTER THE FACT, IF IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED AND COMPLIANCE, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO AT THAT POINT.
SO, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD, THE WAY WE WOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD, IF, IF THE USE IS CORRECT, THEN WE WOULDN'T WANT TO COME BACK.
WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THE PARKING LOT DESIGNED AND STRIPED ACCORDING TO THE PLANS.
UM, AND THEN IT TURNS INTO AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AFTER THAT.
AND WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT AS, AND FUTURE AUTO DEALERSHIPS, REGARDLESS, YOU ARE NEW.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SEE THAT KIND OF MASSING OF THE PRODUCT.
AND IT, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTED ACCEPTABLE IF IT WAS A ROW OF TWO, INSTEAD OF THREE FROM A VISUAL KIND OF LIKE, CAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND THEY'RE LINED UP WITH TWO ROWS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE REASONABLE FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK SO.
ABOUT, I ALSO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT THE NEXT REUSE.
UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS SETBACK MEETS CODE 25 FEET.
UM, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A DRIVE AISLE THROUGH HERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, UH, OR PARKING ALONG HERE AND YOU HAVE A CORNER, UH, ISLAND, YOU KNOW, JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT, UH, THIS ISN'T IT.
UM, I'M JUST THINKING IF WE, IF WE SAY, OKAY, WE'LL FIND A WAY IF IT GOES TO THE TWO, IF WE JUST TAKE OUT THAT FRONT ROW AND MOVE THEM BACK AND MAKES IT THE TWO CUTS IT IN THERE, THAT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THERE'S, IF THAT'S A WAY TO GET THERE, PLUS B WHERE WE'RE STAYING MORE CONFORMING INSTEAD OF, I HATE TO GO FROM CONFORMING TO NON-CONFORMING CORRECT.
USUALLY WE TRY TO GO FROM NON-CONFORMING TO CONFORMING OR MORE IF THERE WAS, IF WE, IF WE MOVED THE DRIVE AISLE, UH, FURTHER TOWARDS TO THE, TO THE WEST, UH, AND THEN HAD TWO LINES OF, OF PARKING, THAT WOULD BE A CONFORMING PARKING LOT WITH A FEW TWEAKS, BUT EFFECTIVELY YES.
HAS THERE EVER BEEN DISCUSSION OF HAVING THEIR INVENTORY IN THE RARE, UM, OF THE PARCEL? I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, THEY ARE HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HELLO? UH, MY NAME IS OSMAN AND I'LL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY FATHER.
UM, HIS ENGLISH ISN'T THE BEST.
I'M GONNA DO THE TALKING FOR HIM OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, REGARDING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING IN THE BACK, UM, YEAH, JUST LIKE A ROW OR TWO, MAYBE.
UM, THAT'S FOR MAINLY THE CARS THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THE SERVICE AND WHEN THEY'RE READY, WE JUST PUT THEM IN THE BACK INSTEAD OF THE FRONT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE BACK PARKING IS FOR MAINLY RIGHT.
SO I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE CHANGING OF THE PARKING, WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTING AND MAKING MORE CONFORMED TO THE PARKING CODE.
I MEAN, IF WE DO THAT AND HAD TO ELIMINATE THE FRONT ROW AND THE TOP THREE TO MAKE THAT CORNER WORK, I MEAN, THAT'S TOTALLY TAKEN OUT A ROW OF CARS PLUS THREE.
AND THEN IF WE HAD THAT CURB ADJUSTED TO WHERE IT'S MORE CONFORMING THAT WAY, MRS. ROWE WAS JUST DESCRIBING.
I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT YOU GUYS AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD? UM, WELL, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO KIND OF PUSH THE CARS FORWARD
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IS TO GET LIKE A, YOU KNOW, BETTER VISUAL, LIKE PRESENTATION OF THE CARS.SO CUSTOMERS CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, THEY CAN HAVE A BETTER LOOK AT THE CARS BECAUSE THEY'RE INTO THE, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE A GOOD LOOK AT THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS WITH THE CODE TO GET 25 FEET BEHIND THIS PLENTY OF SPACE I BELIEVE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE WOULD WORK OUT SOMETHING IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU HAVE TO LIKE REMOVE THE BACK ROW OF THE CARS, MAYBE WE CAN WORK THAT OUT AS WELL, BUT IT'S JUST, IT WAS THOSE CARS ARE MEANING LIKE A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT MAY NOT BE THAT MANY, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, MY CONCERN WOULD BE WHAT HE HAD SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE DRIVING DOWN THE LANE AND JUST VISUALLY WITH THEM BEING PACKED IN LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I USED TO WORK AT A CAR DEALERSHIP.
I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH INVENTORY AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN GET AHOLD OF AND BE ABLE TO TURN.
SO THAT'S WHY I WORRY ABOUT, IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO STRIPE IT AND MAKE IT TO WHERE WE LAY OUT A PLAN COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT, THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN, IF YOU GET CARS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET CARS.
IF YOU GET CARS, YOU CAN SELL, IT'D BE THE GOAL ANYWAYS, WHY I'M ASKING.
I MEAN, UM, YOU GUYS CAN MAYBE SET LIKE AMOUNT OF CARS WE CAN PARK UP IN THE FRONT AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE SIDE.
AS FAR AS IT BEING VIEWED AS PARKING, WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THAT FIGURED OUT.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EQUATES TO AS FAR AS THE INVENTORY NUMBER FOR THEM.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW.
SO I'M JUST ROUGH HAD MATH ON, UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
I THINK IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE DRIVE I'LL, UM, BE THE, BASICALLY THE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING SETBACK OR YEAH, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHAT HAPPENS? UM, REALISTICALLY IT WAS, WE LOSE THE TOP SEVEN VEHICLES BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS AN 80 AND T IT'S EITHER CABLE OR FIBER OPTIC.
THAT'S WHAT THAT UTILITY BOX IS, UM, AT AND T IS NOT GOING TO BE EXCITED TO MOVE THAT.
UM, AND WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S OUT OF THE, THE, THE MOVEMENT LANES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST THAT, THAT TOP THREE CARS THAT WOULD ARE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, ALL SEVEN, AT LEAST AS THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UM, DRAWN OUT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE IDEA ABOUT SERVICE, AND I THOUGHT IT, WHEN WE HAD TALKED BEFORE, THE IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE YOUR VEHICLES THAT YOU NEED FOR INVENTORY, BUT THEN THERE ARE PLANS ON HERE FOR POSSIBLE EXPANSION.
SO WITH THE EXPANSION BEFORE A SERVICE GARAGE, OR BECAUSE I THINK INITIALLY YOU GUYS THOUGHT THAT THE, WHAT WAS THERE WOULD HANDLE YOUR OWN INTERNAL INVENTORY.
IS THERE A PLAN FOR IT TO HAVE A SERVICE BUSINESS ATTACHED TO IT AS WELL? UM, NO.
UM, WHAT, THAT'S JUST LIKE A FUTURE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF BUSINESS GOES WELL AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED MORE CARS TO DO MORE SERVICE ON, THAT'S MAINLY WHAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MORE GARAGE BASED FOR THE SERVICE, BUT FOR YOUR INVENTORY ONLY NOT A BIT SEPARATE BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO, I GUESS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT GETS CODED? I MEAN, CAUSE IT SAYS SALES AND SERVICE, BUT IF IT'S SERVICE FOR, JUST FOR THEIR OWN, YEAH.
I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS I THINK WE PUT IN A DECISION MEMORANDUM, OR AT LEAST MAYBE I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT WAS FOR SERVICE OF FOR-SALE VEHICLES ONLY.
UM, THAT SAID THERE ARE OTHER SERVICE STATIONS, SO TO SPEAK UP AND DOWN, UM, ULTRA NOW SOME ARE BETTER, UH, OPERATED THAN OTHERS FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT.
THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. MARGO, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS THAT PERHAPS YOU COULD REMOVE THAT MIDDLE AISLE OF INVENTORY.
HAD YOU CONSIDERED THAT AT ALL? UM, THE TWO CARS BEHIND THE SIGN? NO, THAT ENTIRE MIDDLE ROW IN ORDER TO MAKE A, WHAT DID YOU CALL IT A DRIVE? UM, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I'D HAVE TO SPEAK WITH MY DAD ABOUT THAT.
UM, , HE'S ASKING LIKE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE MAINLY FOR DISPLAY, NO CARS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MOVING
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IN AND OUT OF THERE AS MUCH.SO HE'S ASKING LIKE, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO REMOVE THAT BLAINE OR THAT'S FOR THE CONFORMING SIDE, RIGHT, RIGHT.
IN ORDER FOR THE, THE DISPLAY AREA TO CONFORM TO, UM, THE CURRENT PARKING LOT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, THERE CAN'T BE THREE LOT ROWS, ALL, ALL BUNCHED TOGETHER AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A DRIVE AISLE THAT SEPARATES ONE.
UM, HE'S SAYING LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON MOVING CARS IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR PARKING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE AT LEAST HAVE THOSE TWO ROWS UP IN THE FRONT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO, WE CAN JUST SCOOP ONE BACK AND PUT THE OTHER END AND THEN PUT IT BACK, YOU KNOW? SO THE CODE, THE ZONING CODE DOESN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A DISPLAY AREA AND A PARKING LOT FOR, FOR VEHICLES.
IT'S UNLESS IN FACT, ACTUALLY THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE EITHER.
UM, SO THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY.
UH, IT'S EITHER A PARKING LOT OR IT ISN'T UNLESS THE COMMISSION WERE TO, FOR THIS CASE TO DETERMINE THAT DIFFERENTLY, UH, UTILITY.
THIS IS, SO THIS FOR APPROVAL OR FOR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, ISN'T IT? SO THIS IS A, A, A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASE.
SO THIS WOULD BE FOR, UH, APPROVAL NOW IF IT WERE TO BE DENIED THEN, UM, YEAH.
UM, YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GIVE ME A SECOND ON THAT.
SO CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN WHAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE? I WAS THE OPERATIONS PALM NINE TO FIVE, NINE TO FIVE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT YOU ARE HAVING NO SERVICE OF OTHER VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO PULL IN THERE AND HAVE THEIR CAR REPAIRED.
THIS IS STRICTLY, THE SERVICE WILL STRICTLY BE FOR THE CARS THAT YOU HAVE PURCHASED TO GET THEM TO THE SELLABLE.
THE CURRENT, UM, BUILDING THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON, WHETHER IT BE ANY BODY WORK.
UM, NO, UH, NO, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT ME AND MY DAD WERE THINKING.
IF BUSINESS GOES WELL AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WE DO, UH, EXPAND THE BUILDING.
UM, WE WERE EITHER THINKING OF MAKING THAT A SERVICE PLACE OR A BODY.
SO I HAVE CLARIFICATION ON YOUR QUESTION.
SO THE WAY THE CODE READS IS A MAJOR CHANGE IS ESSENTIALLY A SUBMISSION OF A BASIC PLAN.
SO THE, IN THIS CASE, THE COMMISSION IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO, AND THEN, SO THIS AUTOMATICALLY GETS FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF, OF WHATEVER THAT IS.
SO A MAJOR CHANGE EFFECTIVELY STARTS OVER WITH THE ZONING PROCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE, I JUST WANT TO GUESS OVER MAY FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR ALL.
SO YOU'D MENTIONED IF THINGS WENT WELL AND YOU GUYS DID THE EXPANSION.
SO THE CURRENT SERVICES FOR THE, FOR SALE ITEMS, ONLY THE APPLICATION IS FOR THE COMPLETE PLAN COMMERCIAL AREA FOR SALE UNITS ONLY.
BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED IF THINGS WENT WELL, POSSIBLY ADDING A BODY SHOP OR SERVICE GARAGE, BUT JUST THAT YOU SAID FOR THIS BUILDING ON THE OTHER THAN THAT, THE ENTIRE PLACE WOULD BE FOR INVENTORY FOR THAT, THAT DEALERSHIP ONLY IS WHAT WE'RE CLARIFYING.
IT WAS, I MEAN, IN THE, IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL, THAT'S WHAT THE APPROVAL WOULDN'T SAY IN THE LANGUAGE.
SO IF THERE'S A VARIATION ON THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW DON'T WE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE AN ISSUE AT THE, WHAT WE WERE ASSUMING IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING TO GET APPROVAL ON THAT AS WELL, BUT IT WAS JUST MAINLY A THEOLOGIAN, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU.
JUST MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S THE SAME PAGE.
YEAH, IF THERE WERE, UM, IF THERE WERE AN EXPANSION,
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IF THIS WERE APPROVED BY BOTH BODIES, UM, SINCE THE EXPANSION HAS PROPOSED, AS PROPOSED AS IS SHOWN ON HERE, I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT, UM, AT THE MINIMUM, UH, D UH, NEW DETAILED DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE HAVE AGREED TO REMOVE THAT ONE ROW AND ADD THE BUFFER BACK IN TO MAKE IT CONFORMING, CORRECT.THIS, THE THREE CARS BY THE AT AND T BOX IT'S GOING TO, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, UH, VERBALIZE TONIGHT, OR SHOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD COME BACK? UH, AND WE TABLE IT, WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT OUR DECISION, SO ONE OF THREE DECISIONS NEEDS TO BE MADE.
AND WHAT IF, IF YOU THINK IT WOULD HELP, UM, THAT WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON A, AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, PARKING LAYOUT.
THAT'S YOUR CALL, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST WE, UH, THE, THE CASE BE TABLED, WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON REVISED, UM, PARKING LAYOUT TO GET THE SITE MORE INTO CONFORMANCE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE, MR. HELLER, COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE DID SEND AN ADDITIONAL LETTER.
DID YOU ALL RECEIVE THAT? YES.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
UM, I'M ALL FOR TABLING AND LETTING THEM COME BACK WITH, UH, WORK WITH STAFF.
ONE MORE OTHER ISSUES BESIDES THE YOU'RE TALKING TO THE MICROPHONE, MICROPHONE, ANYBODY HEAR ME ANYWAY, UM, THE TABLE, THIS ZONING CASE, UH, WORK ON THE PARKING ASPECT AND ALSO, UM, THE FINALIZE, SOMETHING ON THIS EXPANSION AND ALSO THE, THE HEDGE ROOM AREA THERE.
ONCE THOSE CARS ARE GONE, WE COULD, UH, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFERING AND THE USE OR THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS NOT FOR, IT'S JUST STRICTLY FOR THEIR INVENTORY, THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED DAY, AS FAR AS THE EXPANSION, GET THAT TIED UP.
AS FAR AS DO WE HAVE ANYTHING BAD? UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR NOW IS WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET TONIGHT.
AND AS IT CAME BACK, THERE WERE VERY FEW CHANGES.
SO YES, I'M IN FAVOR OF RETAILING AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IF THE DIRECTOR OF THE STAFF TO KEEP IT AS CONFORMING IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.
IF NOT FULLY CONFORMING, IS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO MORE TOWARDS CONFORMING AND THEN AWAY FROM CONFORMING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO THE TABLE? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO TAPE BY MS. THOMAS SECOND, MR. JEFFRIES SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
AND THE MOTION WAS TO TABLE THE ITEM.
THE NEXT ITEM UNDER A NEW CARB ITEM.
FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS A MINOR CHANGE, THE APPLICANT GILLIGAN OIL COMPANY IS REQUESTING A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE, UH, FOR POPEYE'S LOUISIANA CHICKEN AND DUNCAN RESTAURANTS AND UBER COMMONS AT NORTH EAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE, ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO FOUR.
WELL, IT'S ALMOST DINNER TIME.
THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE FOR ASSIGNED PACKAGE FOR TWO RESTAURANTS WITH, UM, DRIVE-THROUGHS LOCATED ESSENTIALLY WELL, WE'LL BE LOCATED, UH, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND A OLD TROY PIKE WHERE THE CURRENT VACANT APARTMENT UNITS ARE.
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YOU HAVE A COPY OF MY PRESENTATION TO SOME OF THESE ARE DIFFICULT TO SEE.I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED REVISED, UM, UH, REVISED SIGNED PACKAGE FOR, UH, THE POPEYE'S RESTAURANT, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
SO, UH, IGNORE A LOT OF WHAT MY STAFF REPORT SAYS ON THAT ONE HOUSE, BUT I'LL, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
SO THE SITE DETAILS ARE OUT IT'S 1.4 ACRES ZONE PLAN MIXED USE.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPROVAL OF THE SAME PACKAGE FOR TWO RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES, THE APPLICABLE ZONING CHAPTERS ARE THE PLAN, UH, PLAIN DEVELOPMENT SECTION AND THE SIGNAGE.
UM, ALL OF THE SIGNED PACKAGES ARE LARGELY, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THEIR CORPORATE BRANDING.
UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS, UH, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, WALL SIGNS, GROUND SIGNS, UH, ALONG WITH MENU BOARDS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THE ZONING CODE IS SILENT ON MENU BOARDS.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE'VE HANDLED THAT IN THE PAST.
AND I TALKED ABOUT THE REVISED DRAWINGS.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT DUNKIN DONUTS.
UM, IT IS THEIR SIGNED PACKAGES LARGELY, UH, GENERALLY COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER 1189.
UM, THERE ARE TOTAL WALL SIGNS ARE A LITTLE UNDER 68, A SQUARE FOOT WITH THE LARGEST SINGLE WALL SIGN BEING, UH, 20, LESS THAN SLIGHTLY, LESS THAN 25 SQUARE FOOT.
UH, WELL, WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE ZONING CODE, THERE IS ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UM, MONUMENT, GROUND SIGN FACING OLD TROY PIKE, BUT IT'S SET BACK NEARLY 70 FEET.
UM, IT'S ON A BRICK BASE ABOUT SIX FEET TALL AND JUST UNDER, UH, OR JUST AROUND 27 SQUARE FEET.
THERE ARE THREE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, TWO IN ONE OUT.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSED AT 2.7 SQUARE FEET.
THE SIGN SITE, THE SIGN HEAD ITSELF, IF THEY'RE SMALL, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNS AS THIS ACTED ON THE PLANS, THEY'RE FOUR FEET TALL.
UH, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THE, UM, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS BE LIMITED TO TWO SQUARE FEET, UH, AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THREE FEET.
THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES ONE DIGITAL PRE-ORDER BOARD AND TWO DIGITAL MENU BOARDS, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO LANES FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH, AS A LOT OF PLACES ARE GOING.
UM, EACH MENU BOARDS ABOUT SIX, UH, ALMOST SEVEN FEET TALL, UM, ON A SMALL METAL PEDESTAL, UM, UH, APPROXIMATELY 23 SQUARE FEET.
THE, THE MENU BOARDS ARE REALLY IN THE BACK OF THE SITE AND SHOULDN'T, OR WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM A ULTRA PIKE.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, UM, THE GROUND SIDE OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE GROUND MONUMENT SIGN IS RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S AN ENTRY SIGN HERE ON ENTRY SIGN HERE.
UH, AN EXIT SIGN, UH, RIGHT OVER HERE, DUAL DRIVE THROUGH IS, UH, THERE'S A, UM, BASICALLY A HEIGHT LIMITATION BAR, UH, THAT, THAT IS RIGHT HERE ALONG WITH THEN, UM, THE MENU BOARDS AND DISPLAY AREAS.
SO THIS IS THE GRAPHICS, HERE'S THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION WITH A COPY HERE, UH, EAST ELEVATION, UH, THE ONLY WALL, THE TWO D UH, WALL SIGN HERE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE ELEMENT OF, OF THE GROUND MOUNT, OR EXCUSE ME OF THE DIRECTIONAL.
UM, IT'S SLIGHTLY ABOVE WHAT, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
THE MENU BOARDS ARE ESSENTIALLY TO VERTICALLY STACK TVS.
SO AS I SAID, UM, THE, THE, THE PACKAGE GENERALLY, UH, COMPLIES WITH 1189, THE CODE IS SILENT ON MENU BOARDS.
UH, IN THE PAST, WE HAVE TREATED THEM AS GROUND SIGNS, BUT NOT COUNTED THEM, UH, AGAINST THE ONE, UH, GROUND MOUNTED SIGN LIMIT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S AN AREA IN THE ZONING CODE WE SHOULD ADDRESS, UM, AS, AS DRIVE THROUGH TO BECOME MORE PROLIFIC.
SO WE HAVE, UH, WHEN WE'VE APPROVED THE SITE PLANS, WE'VE JUST NOTATED IN THAT THEY ARE MENU BOARDS AND NOT COUNT AGAINST THAT ONE LIMIT THE ZONING CODE LIMITS, CHANGEABLE COPY TO 50% OF THE SIGN AREA.
UM, WE RECOMMEND ALLOWING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE, OF CHANGEABLE COPY FOR THE MENU BOARDS.
UM, THAT'S REALLY THE DIRECTION EVERYBODY IS GOING.
IT ALSO ALLOWS THE SCIENCE TO BE SMALLER.
UM, AND THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN FACES ARE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN CODE ALLOWS.
I THINK THAT THE, THE IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, WILL BE MINIMAL.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THE SIGN HEIGHT SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO, THREE FEET.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JUST LOWERING
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THE, UH, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS TO A THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DUNKIN DONUTS SITE? YES, OKAY.
YOU SAY THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ARE SLIGHTLY LARGER.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH LARGER THAN CODE? SO THE CODE ON THE SIGN FACE ITSELF.
SO THE ONE THAT SAYS ENTER YOUR EXIT OR HAS A LOGO, UM, THE CODE LIMITS IT TO TWO SQUARE FEET.
UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED IS 2.7 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND THEN THE, WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS IS A FOUR-FOOT HIGH SIGN.
UH, WHAT IS ALLOWED IS A THREE FOOT HIGH SIDE MR. JEFFRIES, EXCUSE ME.
THE ONE THAT YOU SAID WOULD BE 70 FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING, OR IS THAT THE GROUND SIGN TO THE FRONT PARTS OF THE BAT? IT JUST GROUND SIDE TO THE FRONT BASING DRIVE OFF OF TURN OFF THE OLD TROY PIPE, THERE WILL BE ONE GROUND SIGN.
THEN WE SAY ONE OF THE LAST ONES THAT AT THE, THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS LAID OUT, THAT WEREN'T GOING TO BE ANY MORE GROUND SIGNS ADDED IN THIS.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE HAD HAD.
THAT'S LIKE THAT STOPPING THE VIEW.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, I FORGET WHICH ONE IT WAS.
CAUSE I THINK SOMEBODY LIKE JAN OR SOMEBODY HAD ASKED ABOUT IT, THEY WERE PUTTING A GROUND SIGN IN.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE TIRE STORE OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT THEY HAD SAID THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY NEW GROUND SIGNS ADDED.
SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS, THIS WILL BE VACANT GROUND, ESSENTIALLY.
THIS IS AN EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THERE ARE NO GROUND SIGNS ON THIS SITE AT ALL.
I, I JUST, I, I THOUGHT I'D COME UP AT ONE POINT.
MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE I REMEMBERED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING, THEY SAID THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BIG ARCH PUT IN WITH ALL THE SIGNAGE UP THERE THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE GROUND SIGNS ADDED ALONG THE FRONTAGE, I THOUGHT WAS THE DISCUSSION.
I DO REMEMBER SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CHASE, CHASE.
WASN'T WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OUT ON THE CORNER AND I'M DRAWING A BLANK.
I THOUGHT, I, I, FOR SOME REASON, I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S A PLAZA INSTEAD, OR DOES IT, THE CONTENT, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND INSTEAD OF A SINGLE PLACE AND IT HAD COME UP, OKAY.
I DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS TO ME IS THIS IS A, IT'S A, IT'S EFFECTIVELY A SERVICE ROAD OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE WITH FOUR OR FIVE SITES WITH EACH GROUND MOUNTED SIGN ALONG EACH SITE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THEM AS WE GET, BECAUSE THESE ARE COMING TO US IN PIECES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IN THESE GUYS MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL US IF THE APARTMENT IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A SIGN OUT TO THE FRONT AS WELL.
CAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'RE STARTING TO ADD, SIGN AND SIGN AND SIGN ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT SIGNAGE IS COMING IN IS NOT COMING BECAUSE WHILE THIS IS ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S THE ROAD THAT GOES BACK TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AGAIN LATER ON OR NOT.
UM, NOT, NOT WHERE THIS GROUND MOUNTED SIGN IS PROPOSED.
NO, THIS IS REALLY THE FRONTAGE IT'S SET BACK.
IT'S SET BACK, BUT IT IS ULTRA PIPE FRONTAGE.
DID WE ALLOW A SIGN WITH OIL CHANGE PLACE ARE INSTEAD OF OUT A TIRE PLACE, IT WAS A TIRE PLACE, THE TIRE PLACE.
DID WE ALLOW THERE'S THIS ON? THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS ON THE PILLAR? CORRECT.
YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ON IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT JIM'S REFERENCING.
WE JUST, WE WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DECISION RECORD TO SEE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED.
SO IF, UH, IF IT IS IN THE DECISION RECORD THAT NO MONUMENT THAT NO FRONT MONUMENT SIGN SHOULD BE PERMITTED.
UM, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN JUST ELIMINATE THAT IF, IF THE ORIGINAL DECISION RECORD SAID SO, BUT, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN CON BRING THAT TALK THAT WE KNOW THAT TONIGHT BEFORE.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO POPEYE'S CAUSE THEY THEY'RE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME.
UM, SO AS I SAID, THERE WAS A REVISED SIGNED PACKAGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY.
UM, THE ORIGINAL SIGNED PACKAGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, HAD APPROXIMATELY 258 SQUARE FEET OF WALL SIGN.
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150 SQUARE FEET TOTAL COMBINED.THE NEW WALL SIGN AREA AS, AS SUBMITTED IS 157, BASICALLY 158 SQUARE FEET.
UM, TH THE APPLICANT'S DRAWING SHOW, UH, SHOW IT AT 124, UM, ROUGHLY SORRY, A HUNDRED.
UH, THEY, THEY'RE NOT COUNTING THE CHICKEN LOGO ON THE BETTER WORD FOR IT, BUT THE, UH, THE FRONT CHICKEN, UM, ON, AS A WALL SIGN, THE CODE CONSIDERS THAT A WALL SIGN.
SO THEREFORE, UM, IT IS 158 OR 157.8 SQUARE FEET OF WALL SIGN.
THE LARGELY EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME AS POPEYE'S.
THERE IS A ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED MONUMENT SIGN.
THERE ARE THREE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, UH, AND THE MENU DISPLAYS ARE, ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE ROUGHLY THE SAME THING.
UM, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, AGAIN, A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, INTO THE SITE.
UM, THEIR MONUMENT SIGN IS RIGHT HERE ALONG WITH, UH, ENTRY SIGNS, UH, HERE AND HERE, UM, MENU BOARDS, ET CETERA.
THIS IS A PICTURE, UH, OR RENDERING OF THE, UH, GROUND MOUNTED SIGN.
AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ARE ALSO SLIGHTLY LARGER.
UM, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN IS 3.1 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THEY ARE AT THREE FEET, WHICH IS CONSISTENT.
UM, SO HERE'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS THE CHICKEN, UM, BUT THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WITH POPEYE'S LOUISIANA.
UM, UH, I DON'T HAVE A COLOR RENDERING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR PALETTE IS ESSENTIALLY THIS.
SO THERE'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, THE EAST SIDE, UH, ON THE DRIVE-THROUGH SIDE.
SO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED? UH, THERE WERE FOUR DIGITAL DISPLAYS, WHICH AS YOU RECALL, MY STAFF REPORT, I RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE BE ELIMINATED, UH, THIS, UH, MURAL, UH, THE SIGN WAS STILL HERE.
UH, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ART INSETS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY HERE, WHICH THEY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, ELIMINATED.
MY, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WAS WITH THE EXTERIOR DIGITAL DISPLAYS.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, TO FOSTER THAT.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE AGAIN COME SIGNIFICANTLY MORE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED.
SO AGAIN, UH, THIS REVISED, UM, PACKAGE GENERALLY COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER 1189, UM, SAME ISSUE WITH MANY SIGNS OF CODE SILENT ABOUT THEM, BUT WE'VE CON WE'VE WE'VE, UH, WE'VE NOT COUNTED THEM AGAINST THE, UH, GROUND GROUND MOUNTED SIGN LIMIT, UH, AND SAME ISSUE WITH, UH, ELECTRONIC CHANGEABLE COPY.
WE RECOMMEND A HUNDRED PERCENT AS, AS PROPOSED.
UM, AND THEN THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN FACES ARE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN IS ALLOWED.
UM, I THINK THE VISUAL IMPACT IS, AGAIN, GOING TO BE FAIRLY MINIMAL.
THEIR HEIGHT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SITE? UH, AS A, AS A QUICK STATEMENT, THE, UH, THE CHASE GROUND SIGN WAS NOT APPROVED BACK IN OCTOBER 26TH, 2021.
JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE GROUND MONUMENTS ON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CAN YOU GO BACK AND SHOW ON THERE WHERE IT WAS? I WAS THINKING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING ON 2 0 2 FRONTAGE, BUT THEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT ONE AT THE ENTRY INTO THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
SO WHERE WOULD THE SIGN, THE, THE GROUND SIGN ACTUALLY BE THE LARGER ONE FOR BOTH OF THEM? YEAH.
LET ME GO TO THE LARGE SITE PLANT.
SO EFFECTIVELY, THEY'RE BOTH, THERE'S ONE HERE.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PARKING LOT AREA, NOT ON 2 0 2 FRONT, CORRECT? YEAH, THEY'RE SET WAY BACK.
SO YOU OKAY? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS ON THE FRONT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT'S RELEVANT TO THIS, BUT, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HYPE.
OUR CODE SAYS THREE FEET, AND THAT CODE'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF VEHICLES ON THE ROAD THAT ARE SIT, SIT HIGHER.
AND DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE THAT, THAT ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CAR CAN SEE THE SIGN? SO FOR, FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, PROBABLY NOT.
UM, WHEN YOU HAVE MONUMENT SIGNS, SO I WOULD LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, IF, UH, IF THEY WERE LIKE SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO PARKING STALLS AND THE, THE TWO VEHICLES ON EITHER SIDE WOULD OBSCURE
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THAT SIGN, UH, THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED HERE.I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE THAT, THAT IMPACT.
I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT OR ADDRESS WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MENU BOARDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, BECAUSE TIMES CHANGE.
AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
SO THE CODE ALSO DOESN'T HAVE A, A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE SMALLER VERSUS THE MONUMENT SIDE OR GROUND SIGNS.
SO THEY'RE DIRECTIONAL, THEY'RE INFORMATIONAL, THERE'S A LOGO ON THEM.
SO THERE ARE THERE, THEY ARE ASSIGNED, BUT THE CODE GIVES GREATER FREEDOM IN NUMBER OR LATITUDE AND NUMBER BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND NOT AT TRUE ADVERTISING SIGNS.
BUT I AGREE THAT I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE TALK ABOUT IT LATER, BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CODE REVISIONS, SOME TECH MINOR TEXT CHANGES THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, SHOULD MAYBE START TO THINK ABOUT DIGITAL DISPLAYS, MANY BOARDS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO ON THE SCREEN THERE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
SO MAINLY IT'D BE THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF.
SO THE EXIT COMING OUT WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE ON THE RIGHT WITHOUT THE GROUND SIGN AND THE DIRECTIONAL SIGN WITH THAT GROUND, SIGN UP AT THE FRONT OF IT.
SO THAT ROAD FROM THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY THE ACCESS ROAD THAT ALSO SERVICES STARBUCKS.
AND I THINK THE HUNTINGTON EXIT AS WELL, I REMEMBER.
SO WHERE THAT GROUND SIGN IS AND THE MONUMENTS, THE MONUMENT IN THAT RIGHT THERE.
DO WE HAVE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES WITH THAT PLACEMENT, RIGHT? NO.
THERE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUES OR LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES RIGHT HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MY NAME IS WOODY PHILANDER.
UM, UM, WITH QUALITY SIGNS, WE DO ALL THE INSTALLS FOR GILLIGAN, FOR POPEYE'S AND DUNKIN THROUGHOUT DAYTON, CINCINNATI, NORTHERN KENTUCKY LEXINGTON AREA.
UM, I'M HERE BASICALLY TO ANSWER YOUR GUYS' QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST, I'M SORRY ABOUT GETTING STUFF TO YOU LATE BACK AND FORTH WITH GAIL GETTING POPEYE'S.
THEY CHANGE THINGS ON A CONSTANT BASIS FOR THEIR BRANDING.
AND, UM, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS SO VERY LATE, SO I, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, THE FIRST THING, ONE THING I REALLY WANTED TO SAY WAS, UM, THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.
I KNOW IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT AS FAR AS, UM, ZONING CODE GOES, LIKE DO THIS A LOT.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S THE SMALLEST AMOUNT IS THAT'S A BIG DEAL, BUT, UH, UM, THEY GILLIGAN AND POPEYE'S IN DUNCAN WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE AS IS.
UM, WE DON'T FABRICATE THE SIGNS.
THEY COME FROM A CORPORATE FABRICATOR.
SO HAVING THEM AS A CUSTOMER TO FIX TWO SQUARE FEET IS, COMES AT A BIG COST TO THEM.
SO, UM, HAVING THEM AT THAT SIZE AND, AND COMING TO US AND PUTTING THEM UP, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD DO A GREAT SERVICE TO, UM, THE HEIGHT I CAN CHANGE.
UM, THE FOOT IS NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT THE ACTUAL SIZE DISTRICTING IT DOWN 0.7 SQUARE FOOT OR ONE SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE MONUMENT SIGNS GO, I THINK THEY SERVICE THOSE SITES WELL, ESPECIALLY OFF THAT ACCESS ROAD.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY WALL SIGNS OR ANY OTHER SIGNAGE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE, UH, ZONING CASE.
SO MR. CRL ON YOUR, UH, DECISION RECORD THAT YOU HAVE, NUMBER ONE, THE FOUR DIGITAL WALL DISPLAYS ALONG THE LEFT SIDE, ELEVATION SHALL NOT BE APPROVED.
SO I WOULD, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO REHASH IT WITH THIS CAUSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE REVISED SITE PLAN DOES ELIMINATES THOSE.
UM, SO IF YOU LIKE EVERYTHING, I WOULD JUST, UM, APPROVE AS REVISED.
THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE BECAUSE OF A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.
SO THE, DO WE NEED TO PUT IN HERE, THE SIGN HEIGHT ON THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS WAS, WAS DUNCAN'S HIGHER IN POPEYE'S WAS IT THREE FOOT? UH, YEAH.
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POPEYE'S WAS IT THREE AND DUNKIN'S IS IT FOUR? OKAY.SO THEY SHOULD BOTH BE AT THREE FEET.
SO WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN AS A, AS A, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD JUST SAY IN THE DECISION ORDER THAT A DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE HEIGHT SHALL NOT EXCEED THREE FEET.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE GROUND SCIENCE GO, I THINK WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S IT, THEY ARE GROUND SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IN AN AREA WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN.
THEY'RE NOT JUST, THEY ARE WELL OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT AWAY.
SO THE ONLY CONDITION WE HAVE IS THE SIGN HEIGHT ON THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, UH, FOR BOTH, UH, DUNCAN AND, UM, POPEYE'S WOULD BE THREE FOOT, CORRECT.
I'M UNCLEAR ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY IN HERE.
THE FOUR DIGITAL DISPLAYS ALONG THE LEFT SIDE, ELEVATION SHALL NOT BE APPROVED.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ELIMINATED.
I'M LOOKING AT THE CURRENT DECISION RECORD.
THE FOUR DIGITAL WALL DISPLAYS ALONG THE LEFT SIDE, ELEVATION THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE DECISION RECORD, CORRECT? YES.
WE ONLY, WE ONLY HAVE ONE, UH, CONDITION AND THAT WOULD BE THAT THE SIGN HYPE ON THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS WOULD BE, UM, MAXIMUM THREE FOOT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT? NOTING THOSE CHANGES ON THE DECISION I AM NOW, SORRY.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT GILLIGAN OIL COMPANY FOR APPROVAL, A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNINGS FOR TWO RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES, ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO FOUR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022, UH, IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED, THE AMENDED PLANET PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO, UH, MOVED BY MS. HALL SECOND BY MISS FARGO SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE WILL SEND A DECISION OR TO, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.
HE WILL THEN SUBMIT FOR ZONING PERMITS WITH THE REVISED DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE HEIGHT, UH, BEING NO MORE THAN THREE FEET, UH, AND THEN FEEL FREE AND HE'S FREE TO DO THE INSTALLATION ONCE THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT DDC MANAGEMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL PLAT FOR THE FIRST SECTION OF THE VILLAGES OF WEST POINT OF WEST POINT SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO SIX FOR CRL.
SO YES, THIS IS THE FIRST SECTION.
SO THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
THE FIRST SECTION OF THE VILLAGES, UH, OF WESTPORT, UH, THEY'RE LOCATED, UH, HERE ALONG CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, THE ENTIRE, UH, THE FULL SUBDIVISION ONCE, ONCE IT'S BUILT OUT WILL BE THE ONE ENCOMPASS, UH, THERE'S 170 SOME ACRES.
UH, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS, UM, THIS PER SECTION.
SO THIS IS, UH, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS CHURCHILL DOWNS PLACE INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.
UH, THIS IS ENDICOTT, UH, INTERSECTION RIGHT DOWN HERE.
UM, SO WHAT WAS APPROVED BY, BY, UH, THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL WAS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF 283 LOTS ON 171 ACRES, UH, ROUGHLY 1.7 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO TODAY WE ARE AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE OR THE FIRST PLAT.
OH, SO THE FIRST, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE, UH, THE FINAL PLAT FOR THIS FIRST SECTION, UM, IT IS 94 LA EXCUSE ME, 95, LOTS ON 74 ACRES.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF THE OPEN SPACE IN THIS FIRST, UH, THIS FIRST SECTION, UM, MAINLY BECAUSE OF
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THE TOPOGRAPHY.THERE'S A LOT OF STREAMS THAT JUST AREN'T, UH, ONE THEY DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DISTURBED, UH, AND IS JUST, IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
UM, THE APPLICABLE ZONING, UH, CHAPTERS ARE 1 71 AND 1 72 OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE WERE FIVE, WELL, ROUGHLY FIVE, THE RELEVANT, UH, ORIGINAL CONDITIONS WITH THE BASIC PLAN.
ONE THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS WOULD BE 25 FRONT AND REAR WOULD BE TWENTY-FIVE FEET SETBACKS, AND THEN FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS, MINIMUM 25% OF THE SURFACE AREA OF THE FRONT BESIDE WOULD BE BRICK OR STONE, UH, MASONARY PRODUCTS.
UH, WE HAD MINIMUM, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGES ON THE DWELLING UNITS FOR ONE AND TWO STORY, UM, BUILDINGS.
UH, AND THEN WE, WE ASKED THEM TO IMPROVE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, UH, 45 FEET, HALF, UM, SORT OF HALF RIGHT AWAY SECTION AS, AS THEY WORK, UH, THIS THROUGH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE WILL HAVE ULTIMATELY A 90 FOOT, UH, UH, RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEN A 25, A 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE SHE'LL BE PLACED IN ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY LINE THAT 20 FOOT, UM, PRESERVATION ZONE REALLY IS A FOR FUTURE SECTIONS.
DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO, TO THE SECTION WE'VE ASKED SINCE THEY SUBMITTED FOR A FEW OTHER, UM, ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEY'VE AGREED, UM, TO, TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.
SO WE'VE ASKED FOR STREETLIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, CHAMBER BIRD ALONG CHAMBERSBURG.
SO ONE HERE AT, UH, UH, CHURCHILL DOWNS PLACE, AND THEN ONE AT, UH, ENDICOTT.
UM, WE'VE ALSO ADD, ASK THEM TO ADD STREETLIGHTS TO STREET A, UM, AT LEAST UP TO THE FIRST A LOT.
SO THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING THAT ALL OF THE LOTS, UM, THE BUILT THE INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL STREETLIGHT, UM, SUBDIVISION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE YARD POST IN THE FRONT YARD.
THAT'S FINE FOR AS LONG AS THERE'S ENOUGH DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE, UH, THE SIDEWALKERS OF WHAT I'M MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT.
THERE'S A SECTION ALONG THE COT THAT I THINK IS TOO LONG WITHOUT, UH, STREETLIGHTS.
AND SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO, TO ADD THAT, UM, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE, UH, PROVISIONS FOR A FUTURE SHARED YOUTH USE PATH, UM, WHICH WILL BE BUILT IN 2027.
SO EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE A 10 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH, UH, BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN ALONG CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO FOR THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY BUILD THE BUILD, NOT BUILD THE 10 FOOT YET.
WE WERE WORKING ON FUNDING FOR THAT, BUT ONE DEDICATE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT AWAY, UM, IN THIS SECTION.
SO ESSENTIALLY FROM THE RIGHT TURN LANE DOWN TO THIS, UH, THIS INTERSECTION AT CHURCHILL DOWNS ROAD OR PLACE, UM, IF WE PUT IN A 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH, IT'S TOO CLOSE, IT MIGHT VIEW AS TOO CLOSE TO THE, UM, TO THE TRAVEL LANE.
UH, 10 FOOT DEDICATION WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFERING BETWEEN BIKES, PEDESTRIANS, ET CETERA.
UM, WE'VE ALSO ASKED THEM TO GRADE AND COMPACT THE ENTIRE, UM, CHAMBERSBURG, UH, SIDEWALK AREA AS IF THEY WERE BUILDING 10 FEET.
UM, BUT ONLY CONSTRUCT THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT.
AND SO THEY WOULD SNUG THAT SIDEWALK TO EITHER THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT AREA.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE FUNDING, WHICH IS, UH, HAS IS HAPPENING, UM, BUT ODAT TAKES A WHILE.
UM, BUT WE WILL THEN JUST BUILD OUR FIVE FOOT SECTION RIGHT UP TO IT.
UM, BUT SINCE THEY'RE DOING THE EARTHWORK NOW, UH, IT SAVES US, UH, AT THE END TO, TO DO IT.
SO WHILE THEY'RE MOVING DIRT, THEY MIGHT AS WELL DO THIS.
THAT'S OUR VIEW, AND THEN WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON SOME HYDRANT PLACEMENT AND SOME WATER MAIN ISSUES THAT REALLY AREN'T PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, BUT HAPPENED WITH EVERY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET, UM, FROM THIS FIRST LOT, UH, DOWN TO CHAMBERSBURG.
AND SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO ADD SOME STREET LIGHTS ALONG THIS PART WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS, UH, THAT'S GOING TO GET DARK.
UM, AS FAR AS CONCERN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, THIS CONFORMS TO ALL THE REGULATIONS IN A 1 72 OR 1172, THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, I'VE LOOKED OVER THE HOA COVENANTS, THE DRAFT COVENANTS, THEY ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE IN, UM, THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS, THE MATERIALS, THE USES SETBACKS AND FENCES, THE HOA WILL, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ALL THE COMMON AREAS, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL.
THAT'S ALSO OUTLINED IN THE DRAFT COVENANTS.
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SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST TO CONDITIONS, THE STREETLIGHTS AT THE CHAMBERSBURG INTERSECTIONS.AND THEN ALONG THAT FIRST SECTION OF STREET, A, UM, GRAYDON COMPACT FOR A 10 FOOT SHARED SIDEWALK, UH, BUT CONSTRUCT WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHICH IS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW, AND THEN DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY AT CHURCHILL DOWNS, PLACE, INTERSECTION EAST OF THAT FOR A, TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT FUTURE 10 FOOT PATH.
SO THE APPLICANTS HERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. MARTIN? UH, I'M LOOKING FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE, DOES THE CITY PLAN TO WIDEN CHAMBERSBURG IN THAT AREA AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE? ARE THERE ANY PLANS THAT YOU KNOW OF? SO, UH, YES.
UM, THEY WILL BE A WIDENING PART OF IT, UM, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF CHAMBERSBURG FROM, FROM, UM, ULTRA PIKE TO THAT PART.
I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
WELL, BECAUSE I'M WONDERING, I'M LOOKING HERE AT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK NOW, INITIALLY, IS IT GOING TO BE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PARCEL? IT WILL BE A PART.
SO WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN HERE, IT WILL BE THE PARCELS THAT THEY OWN.
SO BASICALLY FROM THE EAST PROPERTY LINE TO HERE AND THEN FROM HERE TO THE WEST.
AND THEN, UM, THERE IS, IS THERE CURRENTLY A SIDEWALK AND THAT MIDDLE PART DID NOT BELIEVE SO? NO, THERE IS NOT, THERE IS NOT, THERE IS TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE THEY DEVELOPED THIS SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG.
SO THERE ARE WALKS ON THERE, BUT NOT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE THERE CHURCH AND YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG THERE.
UM, SO THEY WERE, ARE BEING ASKED TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK AND THEN ALSO BEHIND THE SIDEWALK, YOU WANT THEM TO DO WHAT? AND SO THEY HAVE TO GRADE FIVE FOOT GRADING, COMPACT FIVE FEET.
ANYWAY, FOR THAT FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IS WHILE THEY'RE GRADING THIS BY FEET GRADED ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK WHEN WE HAVE THE ODATA APPROVAL AND WE'LL POUR ANOTHER FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THEIRS SO THAT THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK IS 10 FEET WIDE.
AND WHY DO WE WANT A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK? UH, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO CON CONSTRUCT A, A BIKE PATH NETWORK AND A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IS TOO SMALL FOR SHARED PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
UH, WHAT IS THE NORMAL WITH FOUR BIKE PATH? SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO IT, BUT IT'S USUALLY BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 FEET.
AND, AND, BUT WE'RE ONLY ASKING, OH, IT'S THE SAME LENGTH AS THE SIDEWALK.
SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THIS IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EARTH EQUIPMENT THERE ANYWAY.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND TIDY IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
CAUSE IT'LL BE FOUR YEARS, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK WILL PROBABLY BE DONE.
WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO DO IS BUILD A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN US HAVE TO COME AND RIP IT UP AND BUILD A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR BYPASS CONNECTED.
SO THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLANNING, BUT, UM, THE STREET LIGHTS ON, UM, HAVE THEY AGREED TO DO THE STREET LIGHTING ON ST A YES.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY THIS, THIS LITTLE, THIS STUB HERE, THIS SECTION, UH, SO ACROSS FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS, THERE THERE'LL BE A STREETLIGHT HERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WILL BE, IS NECESSARY TO HAVE MORE THAN WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE ALREADY THERE.
MY CONCERN WHEN LOOKING AT THE PLANS IS THIS IS A LONG WALK WITHOUT ANY STREETLIGHTS.
AND MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS I THINK OUR ENTIRE CITY IS TOO DARK.
AND AS WE WERE BUILDING, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE LIGHTING UP OUR NEW AREAS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
SO YOU THINK ONE STRAIGHT LINE ALONG THAT AREA WOULD, WOULD LIGHTEN UP THAT ENTIRE? NO, THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE STREETLIGHTS.
WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT WITH THEM AND THEIR ENGINEERS.
UM, NOT ONE IS NOT GOING TO CAST ENOUGH LIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIX.
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THAT'S ALL I HAVE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WOULD THAT BE ONE? WE'RE LOOKING UP SOMETHING.
SO ON THE TOP WHERE IT WAS THE SANDAL VIEW CONNECTOR THE ROAD, THE TERM MATES IS STILL THERE.
IS THERE A REASON WE AREN'T JUST CLOSING THAT OFF AND TURN WE WERE THE IDEA AT THIS POINT IS WE'RE NEVER GOING TO NEED TO CONNECT THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I, THE APPLICANT PROBABLY IS MORE INTO THE KNOW OF THIS THAN I AM.
I POSED THAT QUESTION TO HIM TODAY OR TO THEM TODAY OR YESTERDAY.
UH, WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT I WAS INFORMED IS DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN COUNCIL TOOK OUT THAT, UM, THAT CONNECTOR, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO KEEP THE RIGHT OF WAY, JUST IN CASE THAT SOME FUTURE POINT THERE WAS TO BE BUILT, UH, UH, CONNECTOR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REACQUIRE RIGHT AWAY.
WOULD THAT BE NORMAL FOR US TO DECIDE TO DO THAT DOWN THE ROAD CONNECT? YEAH.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A PART OF A LOGIC PROJECTS WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE MOMENT.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REVISIT THIS AT WHATEVER THIS IS, SECTION THREE OR FOUR, SO THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE.
UM, WHEN THAT COMES TO US, WE CAN RE WE CAN REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION.
CAN YOU POINT OUT ON A MAP WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT UP HERE, THERE WAS A KIND OF AN ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A CONNECTION.
SO THIS RIGHT AWAY STILL EXISTS RIGHT HERE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE GET TO THAT SECTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW IT'S IN THEIR PLANS, IF THAT'S SECTION THREE OR FOUR, UM, THAT CAN BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
I DON'T SEE THE NEED, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THE CITY'S GOT PLANNED WITH.
IF, UM, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE A DEAD END ROAD SITTING THERE WITH EVERYBODY WONDERING WHEN, OR HAVING KIDS GRABBED THEIR BIKES FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOP THROUGH THE TREES AND ROLL DOWNHILL.
SO WE'LL COVER THAT IN A MINUTE CODE.
UM, AND ANOTHER ONE, AND I KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TOLD BEFORE WE ASK ABOUT THESE POST OFFICE LOCATIONS EVERY TIME NOW, AND EVERYBODY TELLS US THAT THE POST OFFICE WILL TELL US WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE PROBABLY KNOW ROUGHLY WHERE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO SHOW US WHERE THOSE ARE, BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD START HAVING INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN, WE CAN, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIST OF POST-IT NOTES ALONG MYS THE COMPUTER SCREEN OF THINGS.
I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS IN THIS AS WELL.
RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN, IN HERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A PULL OFF AREA, INSTEAD OF, CAUSE WE WERE RUNNING THESE ROADS 27 FEET, 20 FEET WIDE WHERE THEY'RE PRETTY SKINNY.
SO THEY HAVE PEOPLE GO IN THERE AND DO THEM AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM AT THE FRONT OR OFF TO THE SIDES.
THEY HAVE A PULL OFF AREA AND I THINK WE COULD INCORPORATE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WHEN YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, WE HAD, WE'RE ASKING FOR 291 LOTS NOW, BUT IT WAS APPROVED AT 283.
SO THAT WAS AN ERROR IN MY STAFF REPORT.
SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS 2 91.
AND I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT UNTIL IT WAS POINTED OUT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO PULL IT BECAUSE THE LOTS HAVE TO BE COMING FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS A NUMBER OF HOW MANY 51 FOOT WIDE LOTS AND HOW MANY SEVENTIES.
AND I LOOKED AT THE FIRST DRAWING, WHICH WAS 2 91.
UH, THE SECOND, WHAT WAS APPROVED IS 2 83.
SO THE APPROVAL NOW WE'RE TALKING TO IS BASED ON 2 83 FROGS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
UH, I'M RYAN RAID WITH A DDC MANAGEMENT.
THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK TONIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AARON DID A REALLY GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED AND AS WE'RE IN THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE ARE COMPLETELY AND IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT.
AND, AND WE'LL, UM, PUT THOSE IN PLACE WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, UM, UH, MR. JEFFRIES, IN REGARDS TO THAT CONNECTION UP THERE, UM, WHAT THE COUNCIL DECIDED THEY KIND OF HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH.
THEY WERE SPLIT ON IT AND WHEN WE TABLED IT AND THEN REVISITED IT IN THE END, UH, THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THAT CONNECTION, BUT KEEP THAT RIGHT AWAY
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DEDICATED.WE WILL NOT HAVE A STUB THERE.
WE WILL JUST DEDICATE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
SO THAT CALLED THE SAC WILL COME THROUGH TO THE BULB AND THAT WILL JUST BE OPEN SPACE THAT IS DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY, RATHER THAN A PAVED ROAD.
SO THAT, AND THEN THE CITY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE MAINTAINING.
WELL, I GUESS IF IT IS DEDICATED TO RIGHT AWAY.
SO DURING THAT DEDICATION, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT THE HOA WILL MAINTAIN THAT AREA UNTIL AT SOME POINT THAT THE CITY BUILDS IT.
MY GUESS IS THAT THE TWO NEIGHBORS WILL JUST MOW IT.
LIKE IT'S THERE PROBABLY HAVE, WELL THAT'S AS LONG AS THEY GRADE IT AND SEED IT.
AND BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT BEHIND ME, WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT WE'VE HAD IT GRADED AND TREATED AND SEATED TO GET IT TO THAT POINT.
ENSURE THAT, THAT THAT'S THAT SEATED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YES, SIR.
UM, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT ON THE STREET LIGHT PLAN.
UH, MY CONCERN WITH NOT REQUIRING STREETLIGHTS FOR THIS OR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GOING WITH THE POST LIGHT PLANNED LIKE THE STREETS IS THAT THE CITY HAS NO CONTROL OVER WHETHER THOSE POSTLIGHT STAY LIT.
SO THIS APPEARS TO ME TO JUST BE A DODGE, LET THE DEVELOPER NOT HAVE TO PUT IN ANY INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER THOSE LIGHTS ARE GONNA PROVIDE FOR PEDESTRIANS OR WHOEVER.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFERSON, MR. SOROS, CLARIFY ON THAT, THAT YOU'RE TALKING POST LIGHTS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING TO LAMPPOST LIGHTS AT THE FRONT YARD.
WE'RE TALKING TO THE POST SLIDES ALONG THE SIDEWALK THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, CORRECT? NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FRONT YARD.
SO THEY'RE CONTROLLED BY THE HOMEOWNERS.
BY THE CITY, LIKE THE TURTLE, THE OLD, THE TRADITIONAL LAMPPOSTS THAT WERE IN THE FRONT YARD BY THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD, ALUMINATE A WALKWAY AND THE SIDEWALK AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD WHEN MR. WAS HERE, WE'D GONE TO THE LAMP POSTS INSTEAD OF BIG STREETLIGHTS.
SO WITH THE OVERHANG, THEY WERE THE MORE DECORATIVE THAT DON'T GO AS HIGH DON'T BURN AS BRIGHT, BUT THERE ARE STILL ALONG THE ROAD BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY, BUT THAT'S NOT, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVERY TIME BEFORE WHEN LIGHTING HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, IT WAS THE NEW POST LIGHTING, NOT THE OLD STREET LIGHT.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAD PROPOSED SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET AT LEXI DID PLACE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN LEXINGTON PLACE FOR YEARS DEVELOPING THAT.
BUT THAT SAME STANDARD IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT I HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING IT AT EVERY SO MANY FEET, BUT THEN THIS WOULD BE, WE WOULD HAVE ONE AT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE A SMALLER LUMEN ABOUT EVERY 50 TO 70 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LA CASA.
SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET ACTUAL LIGHTING? LIKE WE ALL THOUGHT AT THAT POINT, I MEAN, BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CHANGE THEIR COST MODEL.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD RELY ON THEIR ENGINEER TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I, I HAD NO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE TO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH MR. FALKOWSKI BEFORE OUR STANDARD LIGHTING MOVING FORWARD IS THESE LAMPS THAT WE WERE ALL THINKING.
THAT'S WHY I HAD NO THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHEN THAT CAME UP.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BASIC PLAN.
WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING, THEN I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT WAS THIS, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DECISION RECORD ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE GUARANTEE THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL KEEP THAT LIT.
I MEAN, HOW IS THAT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO REPLACE THE BALL OR YEAH.
SO THERE IS WHAT, THERE IS NOTHING.
IF THE BALL BURNS OUT THAT KEEPS THEM FROM REQUIRING THEM.
NOW, MAYBE THAT COULD BE IN THE HOA DOCS THAT IT'S PART OF THE EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT BECOMES AN INTERNAL, UM, ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM WITHIN THE HOA ITSELF.
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THE FARGO.UM, I GUESS I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED HERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THE LAMPPOST IN EACH OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALONG THAT STREET, A AND IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO.
SO A STANDARD STREETLIGHT OR SOME VARIATION OF A, LIKE A STANDARD MUNICIPAL STREET LIGHT WOULD BE FROM CHAMBERSBURG UP THE STREET A TO THE ALL RIGHT.
THEN I'M, I'M ON I'M I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.
I WAS TOTALLY CONFUSED WHENEVER THERE'S A QUESTION, START OUT THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT SURELY WHERE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THOSE LITTLE, UH, YARD LIGHTS ALONG THAT AREA.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT THAT EACH PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE THE LIGHTS AS THEY HAVE IN, IN SEVERAL OF SUBDIVISION.
AND IF YES, SO THAT'S, WHAT'S PROPOSED NOW.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE APPROVED APPROACH MOVING FORWARD.
IF SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE PROPOSED FOR NEWER SUBDIVISIONS, I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS WHERE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT.
I WAS THINKING, I THOUGHT OUR STANDARD LIGHTING, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT'S CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE STANDARD LIGHTING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPELLED OUT OR SO THE STANDARD LIGHTING, NO, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT TYPICALLY IF THE STANDARD LIGHTING IS, IF ONE IS REQUIRED, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT'S REQUIRED.
NOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE STATE LAW REQUIRES OR THAT THE, THE STREETLIGHTS AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS ARE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT, UM, AS I READ THE CODE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED IN EVERY RESIDENTIAL STREET.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU ARE IN A SUBDIVISION THAT'S DARK AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, WELL, I STILL CALL THEM D P AND L LIGHTS, UM, THAT YOU CAN, UH, COMMISSION THEM AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
BUT THEN IT WILL BE PUT ON TO YOUR ADDED TO YOUR BILL.
SO YOU CAN HAVE, UH, ONE STREET THAT AGREES TO DO IT, OR YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE ENTIRE AREA.
AND OF COURSE THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE, THE LESS THE COST IS.
MS. HOPPER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? MY QUESTION WAS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE POSSIBLY TABLE THIS TO ALLOW THEM TO BE VISITED THAT WITH THE TYPE OF STREETLIGHTS THAT WAS DESCRIBED TO US? I'M SURE THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, UM, AFTER HE OPTIONS, THERE'S NOTHING.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IT A REQUIREMENT OF THE EXISTING CODE TO HAVE THESE STREETLIGHTS, YOUR SUGGESTION? WE'RE TAKING A LOOK.
YEAH, I GUESS WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AT, FOR FOLLOWING THE CURRENT CITY GUIDELINES.
SO AS IT'S WRITTEN, MY INTERPRETATION IS, UM, WHAT IT SAYS IS, UH, BASICALLY THEY, THE APPLICANT WOULD, AS FAR WOULD SHOW A STREET LIGHTING PLAN IF ONE IS PROPOSED.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
AS I READ THEM, THAT SETS OUT A MINIMUM FOOT CANDLE WORTH THE WORK, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE STREET LIGHT FOR EVERY 75 FEET, A HUNDRED FEET, WHATEVER THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN HERE.
SO THEN WE HAVE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE, OR IN THE, IN THE CITY AND THIS WAY ALREADY, THIS ISN'T UNCOMMON NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
I DO BELIEVE THE CROSS, THE STREETS THAT WAY.
THAT'S RIGHT IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DO BELIEVE LEXINGTON PLACES AS STREETLIGHTS, CORRECT? YEAH.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE?
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WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION.IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, DDC MANAGEMENT FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL PLAT FOR THE FIRST SECTION OF VILLAGES OF WESTPORT SUBDIVISION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD PARCEL NUMBERS, P SEVEN ZERO DASH 0 4 0 0 8 DASH 0 0 0 6 AND P SEVEN ZERO DASH 0 4 0 0 8 0 0 0 4 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS, ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO SIX IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVED BY.
MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MRS. VARGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THE APPLICANT WILL REVISE THE PLANS, UM, SEND, UH, SEND REVISED PLANS TO THROUGH US AND ALONG WITH THE NECESSARY PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UH, YOU APPROVAL MINUTES FOR THE CALENDAR DECEMBER 14TH, 2021.
LET'S GO BACK TO ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE, HORIZON LINE HAMPTONS AT THE HEIGHTS.
I'M WITH HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M ACTUALLY HERE WITH GREG GEISLER ALSO FROM HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HERE WITH MY DESIGN ENGINEER, UH, CHRISTIE MORMON FROM CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING.
UM, I, I'M KIND OF NEW TO THIS WORKSHOP.
UH, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
WE WERE TOLD TO COME HERE, UH, ON THE ADVICE OF, UH, BRIAN FROM THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, SO I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO I'LL TRY AND MOVE QUICKLY.
BASICALLY, WE HAVE A PROJECT, UM, THAT, UH, GREG AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR AWHILE NOW.
UM, SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UM, IT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF, UM, BRAND PIKE AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MR. GEISLER AND I FOUND, UH, WHEN WE WERE JUST LOOKING THIS AREA TO PUT IN SOME SINGLE STORY APARTMENTS, UH, WE CAME ACROSS THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, YOU MET WITH, UH, BRIAN AND BEGAN DISCUSSION ON WHAT, UH, WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN OUR PRODUCT BEING A SINGLE STORY RANCH, UH, ATTACHED GARAGE APARTMENT UNIT.
UM, IN JUNE, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH CITY COUNCIL AND WE'VE SIGNED A PURCHASE AGREEMENT TO START INVESTIGATING THIS PROPERTY, DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH SOIL WETLANDS AND, UM, SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
UM, WE WERE HOPING TO MAYBE MOVE ANY, WE WANT TO MOVE QUICKLY, REALLY LIKE TO GET MOVING THIS SUMMER OR EARLY FALL WITH CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND SO WE THOUGHT WE COULD COME TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND START THAT UP.
BRIAN FELT WE SHOULD COME TO THIS WORKSHOP TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
I'VE NOT SUBMITTED ANYTHING TO AARON YET AS THIS PROJECT IS PART OF A, UH, MIXED USE PD.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE SOME DRAWINGS HERE TO CAN PASS OUT.
UM, WHAT AARON'S PASSING OUT NOW IS ACTUALLY A, UH, JUST OVERALL, UH, SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPING PLAN, JUST TO GIVE A BASIC IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, THE, UH, AS IF YOU NOTICE THERE, WE HAVE OUR, UH, THE LAYOUT IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
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THERE ARE, THERE ARE FIVE, UH, PLANNED TO BE COMMERCIAL AREAS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, ALL OF IT WOULD BE PART OF THE MIXED USE PLANNED, UH, URBAN DEVELOPMENT.UM, BUT OUR, OUR POSITION HERE WITH, WITH HORIZON LINE IS THAT WE'RE MAINLY, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION ONLY FOR THE PLANNING AND CITY APPROVAL, BUT IN INCORPORATING THE ENTIRE SUBMITTAL, WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE AS PER YOUR ORDINANCES.
WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE A NEW PUD ORDINANCE THAT, THAT WE WILL BE WRITING, OR, OR I GUESS, I GUESS WE'RE WRITING IT, WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, CONTRACTED WITH A, A PLANNER THAT SPECIALIZES IN WRITING THESE DOCUMENTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THAT SUBMITTAL AS WELL? UM, THE, THERE IS A, IF YOU LOOK TO THE FAR EAST, THERE IS A, A REGIONAL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PONDS INTERNALLY, BUT THERE'S A REGIONAL, UH, POND AT LARGE POND TO THE FAR EAST.
UM, THAT POND WILL BE TAKING A PORTION OF OUR, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR STORM WATER, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE TAKING CARE OF THE STORMWATER FOR, UH, FOR OF THOSE COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT YOU SEE THE LARGEST COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE EAST WOULD NOT BE PART OF THAT.
UM, THE, LIKE I SAID, WE DEAL ONLY WITH RANCH APARTMENTS.
THEY'RE TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM ATTACHED CAR GARAGE APARTMENTS.
UM, THEY ARE GROUPED IN GROUPS OF THREE TO SIX MAXIMUM.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING A CLUBHOUSE, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DECIDED IF WE'RE GOING TO POOL OR NOT.
UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ON RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ARE PLANNING ON INCORPORATING A TRAIL WALKING TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND AROUND THE SITE.
UM, BUT, UM, I GUESS FROM THE WORKSHOP STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TOO FAR TO GO HERE.
I WANT TO OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS.
I'M SURE YOU'RE INTERESTED TO ASK ME NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
I HAVE BOTH, LIKE I SAID, UH, GREG IS PROBABLY MY VERTICAL SPECIALIST HERE AND, UH, CHRISTY IS MY CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT WE COULD ANSWER TONIGHT? I THINK PROBABLY MY BIGGEST GOAL TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO GET FROM A PLANNING IS WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY ON THIS.
AND WE'D LIKE TO MEET THE, THE, YOU KNOW, START THE ACTUAL FORMAL SUBMITTAL PROCESS.
AND I JUST WANT TO VERIFY TONIGHT WITH AARON AND THE REST OF YOU, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE DATES ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO, TO HAVE FOR YOUR REVIEW.
SO WE CAN MAKE THIS AS SMOOTH AND QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION IS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, RIGHT BY WHERE THE TITLE BLOCK IS.
AND ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S MY EAST, UH, THAT, THAT ROAD THAT IS RIGHT ALONG THE TITLE BLOCK ON THE DRAWING THERE, UH, THAT'S BRAND PIKE.
AND THEN EXECUTIVE IS THE, IS THE ROAD COMING IT'S KIND OF HAS LIKE A, LIKE A SLIGHT LEFT TURN AND IT'S LIKE, RIGHT.
AND WE'RE BOUNDED BY EXECUTIVE ON HERSELF BOUNDARY LINE.
IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM MEYERS OR THE BARN IS NOW I CAN COME UP TO, IF YOU WANT ME TO KIND OF POINT AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND I THINK IF SHE, IF SHE WAS ROTATED 90 DEGREES, I THINK SHE MADE SURE NORTH IS UP GRANDPA.
TRUMPS IS THE BUILDING DOWN ON YOUR LEFT AND THIS WOULD BE THAT'S THE, THERE'S A LIGHT AT THAT ENTRANCE, ISN'T IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE'S A LIGHT THERE NOW THAT IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY LIT FROM THREE DIRECTIONS, YOU KNOW? AND SO PART OF THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT A LIGHT ON THE, OBVIOUSLY THE SOUTH SIDE
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THEN OF EXECUTIVES.SO THOSE COMING OUT OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE THAT YOU SEE WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT.
EVERYTHING BLUE ON THE SITE WOULD BE PONDS.
WE HAVE TWO INTERNAL PONDS WE'D LIKE TO USE.
WE NEED THOSE FOR OUR STORMWATER CONTROL.
WE ALSO LIKE TO USE THEM FOR AN AMENITY FOR THOSE UNITS THERE, THAT WOULD BE THE REAR YARDS LOOKING OUT OVER THE POND.
BUT THEN THERE IS A, LIKE I SAID, A LARGE REGIONAL POND, THE ONE THAT'S LIKE THE TRIANGLE OR ONE THERE TO THE SOUTHEAST, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SERVE BOTH OUR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEN ALSO THE COMMERCIAL PIECES AS WE HAVE SHOWN HERE, THESE ONE FLOOR.
EVERY ONE OF THESE UNITS IS A RANCH UNIT SINGLE-STORY UNIT.
AND APPROXIMATELY THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE LARGEST UNIT WE HAVE IS ABOUT 1400 GRADE.
AND THEN THE SMALLER ONE IS 13.
WHAT'S THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF, OF UNITS.
I BELIEVE THIS ONE SHOWS 1 97, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING ROUGHLY 200, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD, THAT COULD CHANGE, BUT BY OUR UNIT MIX, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I GUESS FOR THIS WORKSHOP, WE'LL SAY 200.
DID YOU SAY THESE ARE ALL RENTALS? YES.
MA'AM UH, ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FIND MISSING OR, OR LACK OF IS ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR LIKE VISITORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE'LL, THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING THROUGHOUT HERE FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL, THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE A RANGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH, THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHEN WE DO OUR DEVELOPMENTS IS THAT WE KIND OF REFER TO THEM AS APARTMENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THE ROADS WILL BE PRIVATE, BUT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO IF YOU OPT FOR A UNIT WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE, YOU WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES AS WELL AS TWO GARAGE SPACES.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SHOWN HERE, UH, ANY TIME WE GET FURTHER THROUGH THE PLAN WE HAD GOT OUR GRADING DONE AND OUR STORMWATER DONE, I'LL OBVIOUSLY TALK TO CHRISTIE AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE THREE SPACES HERE, FOUR SPACES THERE.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL WILL HAVE A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IT JUST OPENS IT UP.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT OUR TENANTS REALLY DO ENJOY.
SO YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN THE PLANE COMES, I CAN'T PROMISE WHAT IT'LL BE, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY DO IT WHERE WE CAN.
SO YOU SAY THE PONDS ARE GOING TO BE LIKE THEIR BACKYARD.
DO YOU WILL THERE, WILL THERE BE PATIOS OFF THE BACK? WILL THEY BE COVERING? YEP.
IF YOU HAVE TO LOOK REALLY CLOSELY THIS, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON THE UNITS, BUT EVERY UNIT WILL HAVE A REAR PATIO ON AVERAGE.
I THINK, WELL, I SAID THE SMALLEST WE HAVE IS AN EIGHT BY 10 PATIO.
UH, THE LARGER ONES HAVE, HOW BIG IS THE ONES IN? THEY WILL HAVE A SCREENED IN PORCH.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, EVEN THE MEN.
SO YES, EVERYTHING IS A SCREENED IN PORCH.
AND YOU SAID THE ROADS ARE PRIVATE.
SO MEANING, UM, SNOW REMOVAL WILL BE NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'LL ALL BE ON THE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT GROUP.
WE'LL HAVE TO PLOWING AND, AND REPAIRS.
AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE RISK, SNOW REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAYS OF THE APARTMENT COMPANY? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXTEND TO OUR, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE APARTMENT LIVING.
IF YOU COULD ALMOST SEE IF THESE DIDN'T HAVE GARAGES AND THEY HAVE PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT OF EACH OF THOSE UNITS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PLOWED BY THE APARTMENT MANAGER.
THE DIFFERENCE IS WE DISLIKE THE LOOK OF WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
WE'VE CREATED, LIKE I SAY, AN APARTMENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR HOUSE, YOUR UNIT, YOUR GARAGE, OR DRIVEWAY, NO ONE ELSE CAN PARK IN IT.
BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE, OF THE TENANT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
WHEN IT COMES TO REPAIRS OF THE OWNER, OF THEIR DRIVE OF THE ROAD, IT'S ALL ON THE APARTMENT OWNER.
WHAT IS THE AVERAGE RENTAL PRICE FOR THE UNITS 1800 A MONTH? GIVE OR TAKE MAYBE MARKET RATE RENTALS, ALL OF THEM.
WHAT IS THE TARGET AUDIENCE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH? UM, WELL, IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE.
WE FOUND WORKING FOR OUR OWN PRODUCT AND EVEN, UM, I ACTUALLY WORK ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE TOO, AND I'VE WORKED FOR SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE A SIMILAR PRODUCT OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS EXACTLY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE MAJORITY, I'M GOING TO SAY 65 TO 70% ARE 55 AND OLDER.
UM, UH, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE, SOME COMMUNITIES THAT NUMBER GOES LOWER.
BUT I WOULD SAY AT A MINIMUM HALF OF THE, UH, THE TENANTS ARE 55 AND OLDER.
IT JUST, IT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC BEING EMPTY NESTERS WHO STILL WANTED THE ATTACHED
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GARAGE THAT ARE SICK AND TIRED OF GOING UP AND STAIRS UP AND DOWN STAIRS AND THEIR FAMILY HOME, THINGS LIKE THAT.UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, THERE WOULD BE A CLUBHOUSE, WILL THERE BE PLAYGROUNDS ON THE AREA? WE HAVE NEVER PUT A PLAYGROUND IN FOR THAT REASON.
I JUST DESCRIBED, UM, PUTTING A PLAYGROUND IN 10 TENS, WELL, CLEARLY MARKETS TOWARDS A YOUNGER, UH, FAMILIES, WHICH OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT SAYING SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR PRODUCT IS ALL ABOUT IS REALLY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, EASE OF USE, EASE OF LIVING WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGE, NO STEPS, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMPLER PATIO.
IT'S ONLY, IT'S TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM.
SO THESE, THESE UNITS DO NOT LEND THEMSELVES TO A FAMILY.
SO WHO IS YOUR TARGET? OUR TARGET BEING EMPTY NESTERS IS REALLY THE BIGGEST TARGET, 55 AND OLDER, THE OUT BLOTS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THE FIVE OUT LOGS.
THOSE ARE WHERE YOU BE TRYING TO SELL THOSE LOTS.
SO WHAT IS YOUR TARGET ON THOSE? UM, I WAS GIVEN CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS HERE ON THE COMMERCIAL.
LIKE I SAID, WE ARE, WE ARE FOCUSED MAINLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE DO, WE DO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY AS A DEVELOPER, LIKE I SAID, TO PROVIDE THE PUD FOR THIS, UH, FOR ALL OF THOSE LOTS.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH, WITH AARON ON GETTING THAT DEVELOPED, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE, UM, WE HAVE THREE, WE HAVE THREE VISIONS FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
UH, NUMBER ONE IS A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT.
AND NUMBER THREE IS A FAST CASUAL.
UM, WAS THERE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE FEEL FAST, CASUAL RESTAURANT.
UM, AND WE, WE FEEL THOSE REALLY SUPPLEMENT OUR, OUR TENANTS.
UH, BUT IT ALSO, IT ALSO SUITS THE AREA VERY WELL IN OUR OPINION, BE BUILT IN PHASES, UM, FROM A LENDING STANDPOINT, NO, IT'LL BE ONE PROJECT.
UM, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE IT DOWN IN CERTAIN PHASES, BUT I GUESS THE, THE PLANE WILL BE, ONCE WE START, WE'RE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND FINISH EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BANK FOR ANOTHER LOAN AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WILL YOU START AT ONE END OR IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU DON'T KNOW? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT ONE YET.
HONESTLY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE.
I MEAN, WE, WE WANT TO SET UP THE BEST FOR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BEGIN MOVING IN TENANTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WHAT WE FOUND IS WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE CAN ACTUALLY START MOVING IN TENANTS.
WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE AND COMPLETE, BUT, UM, WE'D WANT TO START MOVING IN TENANTS.
WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE BEST, UH, INGRESS EGRESS WITHOUT DRIVING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AREAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO START A PROJECT LIKE THIS AT THE CLUBHOUSE.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ADJUSTED RATES FOR TENANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY, BUT WE WILL HAVE A PLAN.
AND AS WE GET CLOSER THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE'LL OF COURSE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.
WELL, I SEE THERE IS ONE INK EAT GRASS THAT IS ALREADY THERE WHERE THE STREET LIGHT IS, BUT THE FIRST ONE THAT'S THE CLOSEST TO BRANT PIKE.
WILL YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT OR WAS THAT, THAT, THAT ROAD THERE, THAT THE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH? WELL, LET ME, LET ME JUST BACK UP THE, UH, THE LARGE COMMERCIAL PIECE, THAT'S THE FARTHEST TO THE EAST THERE IT'S BOUNDED ON THE LEFT BY A ROAD.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A PUBLIC ROAD THAT EXISTS TODAY.
IT WAS PUT IN RECENTLY WITH THE, UM, THE BALLPARK VIEW APARTMENTS, JUST, JUST TO THE NORTHEAST.
SO WE WOULD JUST TIE INTO THAT FROM THE WEST AND THAT'D BE A, ONE OF OUR ENTRANCES.
AND MR. SORA, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
IS THERE A PLAN AT SOME POINT OR A DESIRE? BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS PRODUCT.
I BROUGHT UP IN A MEETING A WHILE BACK WITH CITI ABOUT WIDENING EXECUTIVE.
AT SOME POINT WE HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING IN AND THE AMOUNT OF LAND STILL TO DEVELOP.
I KNOW I'VE GONE TO CONCERTS AT THE ROSE SCENE, YOU KNOW, SEMI TRUCKS SITTING THERE, PARKED ON THE ROAD, NOT MOVING.
I HATE TO SEE THIS AD TO SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T PLAN.
LIKE YOU SAID, I WISH I WOULD HAVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
IS THERE A, I WISH I WOULD HAVE PLANNED FOR AN EXTRA LANE WITH ON EXECUTIVE, EVEN IF IT WERE TO BE A PSEUDO TRUCK LANE, UH, JUST DURING HIGH VOLUMES.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WILL FIND OUT, UM, TALK TO THE ENGINEER TOMORROW ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ROOM EITHER WAY, AS FAR AS THIS GOES, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS LONG AS WE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY, HOW TO DESIGN IT WITH, AND I WISH I WOULD'VE HAD, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE THEY HAVE, AGAIN, OVER ON THE SOUTH OF EXECUTIVE WHERE THAT POND IS, THAT'S THE RETENTION POND AND THE KEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL.
OR WHAT ABOUT THE LAND BEHIND THAT, BETWEEN THAT AND MYERS? IS THAT, DO YOU GUYS,
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YOU GUYS BOUGHT THAT AS WELL? NO.SO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE POND VIA AN EASEMENT VENDOR, IS THAT YOU OWN THAT WAY? UH, THAT WOULD WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING ACCESS TO THAT THROUGH ANY EASEMENT.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A REGIONAL POND FOR THE GENERAL AREA.
SO WHO OWNS THAT PIECE OF LAND? THAT TRIANGLE THAT'S CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY? WE'RE TAKING A PIECE OF LAND THAT WE COULD FUTURE DEVELOP AND TURN IT INTO A POND.
IT WOULD BE A CONCERN I'M GOING TO HAVE, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT LAND HAS DRAINAGE ISSUES OR TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUES OR WHATEVER.
BUT IF, IF WE HAVE A PIECE OF LAND THAT WE'RE JUST DONATING UPON TO FOR RETENTION, THAT TAKES AWAY THE ABILITY FOR US TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING FOR THE CITY, FROM ANY KIND OF A REVENUE STANDPOINT, AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE I WISH I WOULD HAVE MOMENTS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT TOM THERE? IS THAT FOR RETENTION PURPOSES OR IS IT FOR AESTHETICS? IT'S FOR RETENTION PURPOSES? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, SO, UH, MR. MOVING FORWARD, THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO REALLY NAIL DOWN FOR SURE IS, IS THE, THE SCHEDULE THEN FOR, UH, UH, A FORMAL SUBMITTAL.
I, AND, AND YOU, YOU HAD TOLD ME IN SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT AGAIN.
UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REASON OF, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE WE'D LIKE TO MOVE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FOR US TO MOVE QUICKLY SO WE CAN GET INTO GOOD WEATHER.
UH, THE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS, I WAS HOPING TO APPEAL TO PLANNING TONIGHT WOULD BE IF WE SUBMIT, HOW, HOW, HOW RIGID ARE THE RULES? LIKE I BELIEVE FOR BASIC PLAIN THERE'S 12, 12, UH, BULLET POINTS FOR ME THAT NEED TO BE HIT FOR THAT FIRST SUBMITTAL.
UM, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MOST, THE NEXT DATE THAT WE COULD SUBMIT BY TO BE ON THE NEXT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANNING MEETING? I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME.
JERRY'S GOING TO GET THE CALENDAR FOR YOU.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 15TH.
LOOKING BACK 25 DAYS FROM THAT IS THE CUTOFF OF THE SUBMISSION.
SO WHATEVER THAT WORKS OUT TO, SO THAT'S PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT ONE.
SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY BY, I THINK PROBABLY BY FRIDAY, BUT BY THIS COMING FRIDAY, ROUGH MATH.
UM, IS IT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US, BUT THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A MARCH 29TH, SO COUNT BACK 25 DAYS FROM THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE DEADLINE FOR THE MARCH 29TH MEETING.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE YOU SHOULD AIM FOR.
THE, WE DO HAVE A GRADING PLAN.
THE CHOICE ONE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED HERE AND THERE THERE'S UM, OBVIOUSLY WE JUST GOT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN HERE VERY, VERY RECENTLY.
UM, UH, EVEN IF THE, I KNOW LIGHTING PLANES IN THERE, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT, ALL PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL, UM, I GUESS WE COULD GET TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THE 29TH, I HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO WORK ON IT.
IS IT, IS IT, IS IT A, IS IT A HARD, HARD DATE, I GUESS ON THAT SUBMITTAL? LIKE IF WE GET THE MAJORITY OF THINGS IN AND WE'RE LIKE, CAN WE SEND THINGS IN LIKE LATER, LIKE A WEEK LATER, IF WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO ADD OR NOT LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE WHAT'S PLANNING STANCE ON THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE RESPONSIVE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A HARD, I'M GOING TO YELL THAT IT'S ALL HARD, BUT, BUT FLEXIBLE DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.
SO IF, UM, IT SHOULD BE HARDER THAN SOFT, UM, BECAUSE THAT CRUNCHES OUR TIME FOR REVIEW.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST MY TIME, BUT ENGINEERING FIRE, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO LOOK AT THE, UM, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE DATES FOR WHEN SUBMISSIONS ARE DUE TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS A BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW THEIR, UM, TO REVIEW PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE BASICALLY GIVING THEM THE WEEKEND AND THAT'S NOT FAIR FOR VOLUNTEERS.
UM, SO PART OF WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SLIDE THOSE DEADLINES BACK A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT PROVIDES SOME MORE BREATHING ROOM FOR THE COMMISSION.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT THEM, UH, WHAT, HOW ABOUT THIS? I'LL ASK YOU THIS, LET ME ME FINISH WHAT YOU NEED.
SO FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU HAVE NOW, I DON'T CARE ABOUT EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE FOOT GRADIENTS ON THE, ON THE GRADING
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PLAN.WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS THE LOCATION OF THE RETENTION PONDS OR THE STREET LOCATION RIGHT AWAY IS GOING TO BE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE, THAT THE PROPOSAL TO, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT AS POSSIBLE IS BUILDING TO CITY STANDARDS.
UM, WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW IS, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STANDARD ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WHERE THE BUILDINGS, WHAT OTHER USES ARE THERE? UH, IF BESIDES, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS, THAT'S FINE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, UNLESS YOU WANT TO COME BACK.
SO YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS, YOU CAN SUBMIT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH WHAT YOU KNOW NOW.
AND THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
SO THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, AREA A, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND THEN ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WHICH HAS THE MOST DETAIL.
NOW I'M SPEAKING FOR THE COMMISSION HERE, BUT, AND THEN SUB AREAS B AND C, WHICH WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT, THAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
UM, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE COMMERCIAL AREAS IS BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE WRITING YOUR OWN ZONING DISTRICT.
THAT'S, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS AS MUCH DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS OF THE, OF THE ZONING OF THAT MANY ZONING DISTRICT ARE, WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES? WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE ACCESSORY USES MORE IMPORTANTLY, SOMETIMES WHAT ARE THE PROHIBITED USES? UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS GOING BACK AS WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN HUBER HEIGHTS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE DETAILS, AREN'T ALWAYS THERE IN THE DECISION RECORDS OR IN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS.
AND SO, UM, AS MUCH DETAIL AS WE CAN PROVIDE THE NEXT PERSON WHO SITS IN MY CHAIR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, SO IT'S FINE TO STAGE THESE INTO SUBMIT SINCE ESSENTIALLY LAY OUT THE, THE SITE AS PODS OR DEVELOPMENT AREA, A, B AND C, UH, AND WITH AS MUCH DETAIL, ACCORDING TO THE CODE FOR AREA A, WE CAN HAVE LESS DETAIL FOR AREA B AND C.
UM, AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT IF, IF ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO GET THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE GOING FIRST, RIGHT.
AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS THAT I'M NOT AS, UH, I GUESS, CONCERNED WITH THE, UH, CIVIL SITE, THE LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT W I BELIEVE ITEM 12 AND YOUR CODE IS THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BE PRESENTING THIS, THIS PUD ORDINANCE.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST, THAT'S PROBABLY THE THING THAT I'M STRUGGLING THE MOST WITH.
AND I, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY COMPLETE BY, BY MARCH 4TH.
UM, AND SO, SO I, AND I AM WORKING WITH PROFESSIONAL, UM, AND HE'S GOING TO HELP ME THROUGH THAT, BUT I GUESS THAT'S THE PART I'M STRUGGLING.
SO, SO THIS IS THE, WHAT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COUNCIL.
SO IF WE NEED TO, AND WE PROBABLY WILL NEED TO FINE TUNE THAT PUD LANGUAGE BETWEEN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
WE HAVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GUESS AS MUCH AS I LOVE CHRIS.
AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO COME OUT.
THE SAUSAGE IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT EXACTLY AS IT WAS PUT IN THE GRINDER.
UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL SEE I, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TWEAKS TO THE LANGUAGE AND, AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY OR MAY NOT PUT ON THE OVERALL SITE.
SO, UM, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY DOES.
UH, I, I WOULD KNOWING WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, I WOULD SPEND, I THINK YOU NEED TO SPEND TIME, NOT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT'S BAD, BUT THINKING ABOUT THE PUD LANGUAGE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BECAUSE FRANKLY THE RESIDENTIAL IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO, YEAH, BUT I, I CAN TELL YOUR PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY TO DELVE INTO YOUR CODE, THE COMMERCIALS ONLY YOU HAVE NOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE HERE, BUT ALMOST JUST REPEAT THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU WILL ACCEPT THAT.
UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH GETTING THE RESIDENTIAL IN AND MAKING IT WORK.
SO THE WAY THE COMMERCIAL KURT CODE, THE MULLEN, THE WAY THE PLAN COMMERCIAL CODE IS WRITTEN IS THERE IS A LITANY OF ALLOWABLE USES AS LONG AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THEM.
SO THINKING FORWARD ABOUT WHAT FUTURE TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE OF THOSE SPACES IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF USE THAT WAS NOT ALLOWABLE FOR THAT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU GOT TO START OVER.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LIST OF, OF POTENTIALLY PERMITTED USES, UNLESS THE LEGISLATION, WHICH IS IN THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS US, THAT THEY DON'T EXIST.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPEND TIME ON CRAFTING THE USE TABLE OF WHAT'S ALLOWABLE AND WHAT ISN'T, UM, THE SETBACKS, THE PARKING THAT CAN ALL BE TO CODE, RIGHT.
BUT IT IT'S THE USE TABLE THAT IS, IS IMPORTANT.
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YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING, YOU WANT TO SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S ADDRESSED IN.NO, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I MEAN IT, AND I ACTUALLY WROTE THAT DOWN.
SO THE USE TABLE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US TOO.
I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE, THIS IS OUR FRONT DOOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEHIND THIS THING AND THERE'S CERTAIN COMMERCIAL TENANTS WE WON'T WANT THERE.
AND THIS IS OUR TIME TO, AND THERE MAY BE A COMMERCIAL TENANT YOU'D WANT AND THAT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, IT'S ANOTHER 90 DAY PROCESS FOR US TO RESTART THIS REZONING FOR ONE PARTICULAR USE.
SO THAT CAN SHORTEN THAT WHOLE PROCESS IF WE WRITE IT PROPERLY, YOU'RE SAYING CORRECT.
DON'T THROW EVERYTHING IN THERE.
WELL, I GOT TO GET BY MARCH 4TH, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME.
YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? YEP.
SO ONE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESTAURANTS SIT DOWN, I MEAN, THEY AROUND TOWN A LOT.
WE HERE, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF FAST CASUAL.
WELL, IF WE CAN GET SOME NICE SIT DOWN, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY ME.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, I KNOW I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO THERE THEN OUTSIDE OF HERE.
UM, AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT ON, YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WELL, MORE THAN TWO, I GUESS IT WAS BEFORE.
COVID THAT AT ONE POINT WE LABELED SOMETHING IN THIS AREA, CED COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, AND I THINK IT CROSSED THE ROAD INTO THIS PARCEL, IS IT? YEAH.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT AS WELL, THAT HAD ADDITIONAL, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR LIQUOR LICENSES OVER AND SINCE IT'S IN THE CBD INSTEAD OF BEING UNDER THE STANDARDS.
SO THAT'S ONE THING, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY HAD ANY PARAMETERS TO OPEN CARRY BETWEEN ENTERTAINMENT AREAS AS WELL.
SO IF IT IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS OVER THERE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT THAT'D BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY, YEAH, IT'S LIKE A DORA, UH, BUT WHAT OPENED RIGHT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, UH, WITH CONNECTIVITY, I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THAT AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT, UM, MANGERS ASKING ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, I ASSUME WE'LL NEED A, A TRAFFIC STUDY ON, ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, UH, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONCERNED WITH THAT? I TAKE THIS UP WITH YOUR TRAFFIC, YOUR, YOUR ENGINEER.
CAN YOU SAY ANY TRAFFIC LIGHTING I'M WORKING THE, UH, CAN WE, DO I JUST HANDLE THAT WITH YOUR, YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER, IT'D BE INTERNAL TO US INTERNAL.
YOU KNOW, WITH MOST TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER ADDITIONAL, UM, INTERSECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE SIGNALIZED, I GUESS, WHAT WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT STUDY TO BE PART OF THIS FIRST SUBMITTAL? IT'D BE HELPFUL BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT THE COMMISSIONER WILL BRING IT UP.
AS CURRENT AS POSSIBLE, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS FOUR YEARS OLD, THREE, FOUR YEARS OLD RECENTLY, I THINK SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP IN A LOT OF THE PDS PEOPLE TRY TO THROW NO LESS THAN CODE PARKING SPACES, NINE FOOT WIDE INSTEAD OF 10 FOOT WIDE ON IT.
AND THOSE ARE 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE THINGS THAT SEEM TO COME UP A LOT, I THINK TO MR. JEFFREY'S POINT, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, DOES WHAT KIND OF DELAY, OR THERE ARE INCREASE IN DELAYS? IS THERE POSSIBLY GOING TO BE EXECUTIVE BLVD AT PEAK HOUR? UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE FIVE COMMERCIAL SPOTS, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE, UH, THOSE ARE MEDS, THEY DON'T GENERATE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT DEPENDING ON THE USE OF THE, OF WHAT'S THE COMMERCIAL THAT CAN, AND IT WOULD BE RIGHT AT PEAK TIMES FOR PEOPLE LEAVING THE ROADS, ET CETERA.
SO CHICK-FIL-A BLOCKING EXECUTIVE ON A CONCERT.
ALL CHICK-FIL-A IS AT CORNER LOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM YOU? UH, NO.
I MEAN, I REALLY W WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HIT THAT, UH, UH, THAT MARCH 29TH DATE, I THINK THAT'S DOABLE FOR OUR TEAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THE, THAT THE PUD CAN BE KIND OF A WORK IN PROGRESS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE, UH, APPROVAL PROCESSES.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT FOR ME, THAT HELPS OUT QUITE A BIT.
THANK YOU FOR THIS WORKSHOP TIME.
IT'S, IT'S THE FACT THAT WE CAN KIND OF SHARE WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO YOU WILL BE A LITTLE LESS OF A SURPRISE WHEN WE SUBMIT, UM, I HAVE
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ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.IF YOU DON'T MIND, HAVE YOU BUILT ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT IN THE DAYTON AREA? UM, I HAVE WORKED FOR OTHER, UH, APARTMENT BUILDERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, UH, AND IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE TO HERE.
UM, AND I WORKED FOR BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, AND WE'VE PUT IN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THESE UNITS FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, UM, INCLUDING OURSELVES.
AND WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
UH, IT'S A PRODUCT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.
IT'S ALWAYS VERY, UH, VERY WELL ACCEPTED BY COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THEIR APARTMENTS, BUT THE ENTIRE, UH, EVERYTHING YOU SEE THERE WILL BE OWNED BY ONE ORDER AND THEY WILL BE LEASED OUT TO PEOPLE.
IT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DAYTON AREA THAT WE MIGHT LIKE TO GO DRIVE.
UM, I, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PLACES I CAN, I CAN, I'LL SEND SOMETHING TO AARON, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SIMILAR TO OURS.
I HATE TO SAY ANYTHING AND, AND, AND LEAD YOU THE WRONG WAY.
SO I'LL, I'LL CHECK WITH YOU LATER ON THAT AND GET YOU SOMETHING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
WHAT WE DID LAST, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS NOT EXACTLY CORRECT.
SO WE WILL START OVER AGAIN AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY NOMINATION FOR A SHARE OF THE COMMISSIONER.
WE'RE GOOD TO NOMINATE TERRY AGAIN.
SECOND, WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.
A SECOND SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, NEXT WE WILL, UH, UH, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JAN VARGO SECOND.
LET'S SAY I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE MS. JAN LARGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MISS UP.
NO, I THINK WE COVERED, MR. JEFFRIES CAN NOT TALK.
SO LET'S RIFLE THROUGH THIS, HUH? UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR DECEMBER 14TH, BUT HERE NO OBJECTIONS.
UH, WE WILL APPROVE THOSE MINUTES HEARING NOTHING.
WE WILL APPROVE REPORTS IN CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. SYRUP.
UM, SO WE, I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSULTANT.
WHO'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, SO JUST SO TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WERE TENTATIVELY, UM, WANTING TO KICK THAT OFF MID APRIL.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING MEETING AND TALK WITH COUNCIL.
UH, BUT JUST SO THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON THE HORIZON THAT'S COMING NEAR, UM, WHICH IS GOOD.
HAVE YOU ALREADY CHOSEN A CONSULTANT? YES.
UH, THE CONSULTANT IS A YARD AND COMPANY OR YARD.
ARE THEY THE ONES THAT KNOW THEY DIDN'T GET BEFORE? I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE LAST ONE THAT WAS DONE.
YEAH, NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT.
UM, UH, I KNOW JOE AND HIS, HIS TEAM VERY WELL.
SO, UM, I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE, SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT YOU'LL GET A GOOD PRODUCT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE.
SO THIS CONSULTANT WAS CHOSEN BEFORE YOU CAME HERE, CORRECT? I SEE.
COUNSEL MUST HAVE DONE THAT COUNSEL.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD ALREADY CHOSEN SOMEONE BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THEY, SINCE WE'RE A MEMBER OF MCRPC, I KNOW THAT THEY SOMETIMES DO THAT.
THEY DON'T DO THEM AS MUCH ANYMORE.
THEY DO THEM MORE FOR THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT CAN'T AFFORD A PLANNING CONSULTANT, BUT YEAH.
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IS A GREAT FIRM.UM, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE CHANGED THE APPLICATION DATES A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO ONE SUBMISSION DATE, UM, FOR EVERYTHING.
UH, SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE MEETING DATES, UH, AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE REALLY ANYTHING THAT SUBSTANTIAL.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHING ROOM BETWEEN WHEN WE GET THE APPLICATIONS IN AND WHEN WE GET THEM TO YOU.
SO YOU'LL HAVE, HOPEFULLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
UM, BUT HAVING STAGGERED DATES FOR APPLICATIONS DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
UH, SO W WE JUST MOVED CHANGED IT, UM, WE'LL BE FLEXIBLE FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WERE PLANNING FOR THAT SECOND DATE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE SECOND DATES WERE RE UH, RECORD PLANS AND SUBDIVISIONS.
THOSE DON'T TAKE THAT LONG TO REVIEW, BUT IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.
IF THERE'S ONE DATE WHEN EVERYTHING IS DUE.
UM, AND IN GENERAL, IT'S 25 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WHICH GIVES US TIME FOR NOTICE AND ET CETERA.
UM, A QUESTION WAS POSED TO ME BY A SURVEYOR.
AND BEFORE I SAID, YES, I WANTED TO CHECK WITH YOU.
SO THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DELEGATE, UM, AUTHORITY TO ESSENTIALLY MAY, UM, TO REVIEW MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, UH, AND APPROVE THEM WHEN THEY MEET A CERTAIN SET OF CRITERIA.
SO THESE ARE MINOR LOT SPLITS THAT REALLY, THAT DON'T INVOLVE ANY WIDENING OF PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
UH, IT TENDS TO BE A YARD MOVING A PROPERTY LINE A LITTLE BIT FOR SOMEBODY TO SELL IT LIKE THAT.
THE ONE THAT CAME IN LAST WEEK, THAT WAS THE BACKYARD.
UH, THE PERSON JUST EXTENDED THEIR BACKYARD.
THE CODE ALLOWS THAT AUTHORITY TO BE DELEGATED.
UH, IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY CALLED A 7 11, 7 11.
UM, REPLAT MY QUESTION TO YOU.
IS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE THE SURVEY ASKED ME, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING EVERY MINOR SUBDIVISION TO YOU? I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE HER AWAY FROM YOU.
NO, I DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO GO.
SO THESE ARE ONES WHERE REPLANTS NOT REQUIRED, SO I WOULD REVIEW IT.
THE ENGINEER WOULD REVIEW IT AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BLESS IT.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS SU YOU BROUGHT UP SOME ISSUES TODAY ON, ON SUBDIVISION, SUCH AS STREET LIGHTING.
THERE'S BEEN A FEW OTHER ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE ZONING CODE THAT I THINK WE, THERE ARE BIG ITEMS IN THE ZONING CODE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON LARGE SUBDIVISIONS, I MEANT, SORRY.
UM, IN LARGE SUBDIVISIONS, THERE IS NO, THE CODE DOESN'T HAVE ANY OPEN SPACE WHERE THEY HAVE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY HAVE NO PARAMETERS OF WHAT OPEN SPACE REALLY IS.
SO THE CODE ALLOWS DRY DETENTION, BASINS, AND ALL OF THAT TO BE CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE, WHICH REALLY ADDS VERY LITTLE VALUE TO, OR THE EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO COME OUT OF THE, UM, OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT, THAT ARE BIG POLICY ITEMS, START TO JOT THOSE DOWN AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, THERE ARE SOME MINOR, UM, PROCEDURAL CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, WHICH I WILL PUT OUT IN A MEMO FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
IT WOULD SPEED UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT, UM, FOR SORT OF FALL IN LINE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE OHIO REVISED CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH ARE EFFECTIVELY REZONINGS.
UM, WE, WE NOTICED THEM IN THE PAPER TWICE, ONCE FOR THIS MEETING AND ONCE FOR COUNCIL.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE CITY SPENDING THE MONEY TWICE.
IT REALLY ONLY NEEDS TO BE ONCE.
AND IT SHOULD BE DONE AT THE COMMISSION OR AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, NOT FOR THIS, THIS MEETING.
SO JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I THINK WE WOULD, IT'D BE GOOD TO JUST SORT OF TIDY UP.
UM, THE, THE LARGER POLICY ITEMS SHOULD BE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION.
SO JUST THINK ABOUT THOSE WISHLIST ITEMS THAT YOU SEE ALL THE TIME, UM, FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
I'LL TELL YOU ONE RIGHT NOW WITH MAILBOXES, THE CLUSTER MAILBOXES PARKING.
UH, YOU PROHIBIT STREET TREES AND RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, THAT'S ODD BEING IN COMMERCIAL TO AVOID THE, TO BLOCK THE SITE OF YOUNGER SIDE OF VIEW OR DEALING WITH ONE RIGHT NOW, KROGER, THE SUMMERTIME, THEIR LANDSCAPING IS VERY TALL AND THE WAY THEIR PARKING LOT IS DESIGNED, IT CAN BECOME A, A HAZARD.
THINK ABOUT THOSE AND FEEL FREE TO SEND ME EMAILS.
I'M KEEPING A RUNNING LIST OF MYSELF,
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OF ITEMS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS.SOME ARE MINOR, SOME ARE LARGER THAT TAKE A BIGGER POLICY CONVERSATION.
SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
SO ON THE CALENDAR REVIEW, UM, WE ALSO KIND OF TELL THEM WHAT'S COMING.
SO WE HAVE THE REZONING ON STATE ROUTE 2 35, IF YOU WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
SO, UH, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, THAT, THAT IS MOVED TO MARCH 15TH.
UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED REZONING OF, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW.
IT'D BE ON THE, UH, NORTHEAST CENTRALLY, THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF 70 AND 2 35 IS A, UH, UH, IT'S A TRUCK STOP.
UH, SO IT IS A, UH, AS A REFUELING STATION FOR BOTH VEHICLES AND LARGE TRUCKS, IT'S A SERVICE CENTER FOR, FOR TRUCKING, LIKE BIG TRUCKS, SEMIS, UH, AS WELL AS A, A SMALL, UM, RETAIL RESTAURANT COMPONENT TO THAT.
UM, IT IS ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF, OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE LIKE A LOVE'S TRUCK STOP AT.
WHAT'S NOT PROPOSED IS ALL THE SEMI PARKING IN THE BACK, UH, FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE COMING THROUGH AS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO I'M REVIEWING IT NOW, WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE'LL BE MAKING SOME MINOR TECHNICAL CHANGES TO IT AND THEN, BUT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT, UM, IS THAT IMPORTANT? WHAT'S THAT IS THAT IN CLARK COUNTY IS RIGHT UP AGAINST CLARK COUNTY, BUT IT IS NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I DON'T, I KNOW IT IS NOT IN CLARK COUNTY, BUT IT WAS SEPARATE TO IT.
WE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING SHELL STATION, THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE, THE SECOND ONE IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS THE RESERVES AT THE FAIRWAY, SO IT IS THE, UH, I FORGET HOW MANY UNITS I'M GOING TO SAY.
IT'S 74, BUT DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT, UM, UNITS THAT ARE COMING IN AS PART OF A REDEVELOPMENT OF A STALLED RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX, THAT IT'S BEEN STALLED FOR 10 YEARS.
UH, SO THIS ONE IS, UH, BEING PROPOSED BY CHARLIE SIMMS. UM, SO THAT'S COMING TOO.
BRANT PIKE, NORTH OF THE RESERVES AT THE FAIRWAYS.
THERE'S SO MANY NAMES FOR DIFFERENT AREAS THAN HARD TO KEEP UP ON.
SO THE LAST THING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT HER ALL AT ALL, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, CHANGING THE WAY WE DO FILE, UM, FILE NAMING, UH, IN CASE NAMING, UM, EVERYTHING IS BASICALLY NAMED THE SAME WAY.
UH, AND SO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIND RECORDS FROM EVEN FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, IT'S DIFFICULT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO START CHANGING THAT.
SO RECORD PLANS ARE GOING TO BE, SO THIS IS MORE OF AN INSIDE BASEBALL KIND OF THING, BUT JUST SO YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT NAMING CONVENTIONS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE NEXT FIRST.
AND THAT TAKES MY SPOT AND THE PERSON AFTER HIM OR HER THEM, IS IT FILED BY THE ZONING CASE NUMBER NOW IT'S STILL, YEAH, EVERYTHING IS ZEC SOMETHING.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A SUBDIVISION, A MINOR LOT SPLIT A 300 ACRE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.
UM, SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE SOPHISTICATED RECORD RETENTION AND WE'RE A BIG CITY NOW.
UH, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT, AND, AND EVERY, THE CODE REQUIRES ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
SO EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES IN, WE'RE WRITING A NEW MINI ZONING CODE FOR THAT, THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND WE GOTTA DO A BETTER JOB OF TRACKING THAT THIS WILL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER.
SO ONE OTHER THING WE HAD COME UP WITH, IF A CASE IS TABLED, YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR RECORDS, YOUR DRAWINGS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T COME UP WITH NEW DRAWINGS FOR WHEN IT IS CALLED BACK TABLE TONIGHT, WE NEED TO KEEP A RECORD.
SO YOU TABLE THE CASE TONIGHT.
SO PLEASE DON'T THROW AWAY 2145 PLANS, PROBABLY THROW THAT ONE AWAY.
CAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF PLANS THAT MAKES LIFE EASY, BUT KEEP YOUR STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, RECREATE THOSE EVERY SINGLE TIME OR FOR TABLED CASES.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE?
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NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 15TH.ABSOLUTELY STAY IN THE JOURNEY ONCE AGAIN.
REMEMBER IT'S JERRY'S BIRTHDAY.