[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]
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AND WELCOME TO SEE IF HEBREW HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING REGULAR SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 24TH, 2022.
WE ARE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 1.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
NEXT IS OUR INVOCATION BY PASTOR LOUISE WILSON AT THE LIFEPOINT CHURCH AT 45 55 MARSHALL ROAD IN KETTERING AND HOT, GOOD EVENING.
IT IS INDEED MY HONOR, TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, TO BRING YOU A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO YOU, MAYOR GORE AND YOUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEN.
I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVITATION FOR THE INVITE AND WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS THAT YOU GIVE UP YOUR TIME TO COME AND TRY TO HELP US GET OUR LIVES AND OUR PROPERTY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT.
AND TONIGHT I'M GOING TO BE LONG, TAKE A LONG TIME.
I JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST SAY THANKS AND, AND BRING YOU A SCRIPTURE.
YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS WHATEVER YOU PUT YOUR HANDS TO GOD WILL CAUSE THE PROSPER.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND THE SCRIPTURE THAT I BRING TONIGHT COMES FROM PROPERTY FOUR, FIVE TO SEVEN, AND IT SIMPLY SAYS, GET WISDOM, GET UNDERSTANDING, DO NOT FORGET MY WORDS OR TURN AWAY FROM THEM.
THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM IS THIS GET WISDOM WISDOM, THOUGH.
IT COST ALL YOU HAVE GET UNDERSTANDING.
AND I'D LIKE TO JUST OFFER PRAY OVER YOU, FATHER GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS, FATHER, GOD, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO YOUR CHILDREN, TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SACRIFICED THEIR TIME, THEIR TIMES WITH THEIR FAMILY LORD.
SO BE BUSY ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, FATHER, GOD, I PRAY OVER THEM.
GOD AND I ASK FATHER THAT WHATEVER THEY HAVE NEED A FATHER, GOD, THAT YOU WOULD SUPPLY IT, FATHER, GOD, I ASK YOU TO CAUSE HIM TO BE HEALTHY.
GOD AND I PRAY WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO BE HEALTHY OUT.
MY FATHER, UH, SISTERS AND, AND HOOPA, HIES GOD, FATHER, GOD SOLVED THEIR PROBLEMS. LET EVERYTHING COME OUT THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME OUT AND FATHER GOD, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR YOUR PROTECTION FATHER, GOD, EVEN THOUGH THE WEATHER'S BAD, I PRAY OVER OUR TRAVEL TIME.
GOD AND FATHER GOD, I PRAY WITH THIS MEETING, ESPECIALLY GOD ASKING THAT YOU WOULD GIVE AN EAR TO WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING, FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR CORRECTION.
WE THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING GOD.
AND MOST OF ALL, WE THANK YOU FOR PATIENCE, FATHER, GOD, WE HONOR YOU.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR NOT ONLY HUPA HEIGHTS, BUT FOR OUR LAND AND FATHER, WE GIVE GLORY TO YOU IN THE PRECIOUS MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.
THE NEXT IS OUR FLAG CEREMONY FROM THE WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR ROTC HONOR GUARD.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL KERRY COLOR COLORS PARTS.
MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
THIS IS BURJ MR. OTTO, DEAR MR. LYONS HERE.
THIS IS KITCHEN MR. WEBB HERE, MAYOR GORE HERE
[6. Approval Of Minutes]
AND EXERCISE NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM SIX, A OR CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES DATED JANUARY 10TH, 2022.
IT WAS THE MINUTES OF INDUSTRY.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS CHANGES.
SEEING NONE OF THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ Culture And Diversity Citizen Action Commission Indigenous Peoples Essay Contest Awards Presentation - Members Of The Culture And Diversity Citizen Action Commission And Mayor Jeff Gore]
SEVEN, A SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.MR. ROGERS, ITEM SEVEN, A UH, THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION, INDIGENOUS PEOPLES ESSAY CONTEST AWARDS, PRESENTATION HAS BEEN CANCELED FOR THIS EVENING, UH, DUE TO SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS BEING UNABLE TO BE HERE.
UH, THEY DID ASK THAT IN PLACE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGED THE NAMES OF THE ESSAY WINNERS FROM THE CONTEST.
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SO THIS WAS THE 2021 INDIGENOUS PEOPLES ESSAY CONTEST WINNERS SPONSORED BY THE COMMISSION.UM, FOR FIRST PLACE IN GRADES 11 AND 12, UH, THE STUDENT WINNER WAS MANPREET CAR, UH, FOR FIRST PLACE IN GRADES NINE THROUGH 10, THE STUDENT, UH, WINNER WAS MALACHY ROBINSON, MALIKA, MALAKAI ROBINSON, AND A SECOND PLACE IN GRADES NINE THROUGH 10.
AND THE ESSAY CONTEST WAS ASHLEY MILLER.
SO WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THEM.
THEY ARE EACH RECEIVING A CHECK, UM, AS PART OF THEIR WINNINGS AS WELL AS A CERTIFICATE FROM THE CONVENTION.
AND THE TEACHER FOR THE FIRST PLACE, GRADE 11 AND 12 WAS MRS. JENNIFER AUSTIN DOOR.
UH, FIRST PLACE TEACHER FOR GRADES NINE THROUGH, UM, WAS MRS. ALLEN SHELLHOUSE COX.
I THINK THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME INTO THE, TO THE SCHOOLS TO MAKE THOSE PRESENTATIONS, SO THEY'LL BE THERE.
[8. Citizens Comments]
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS CITIZENS' COMMENTS.DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED FOR GENERAL COMMENTS THIS EVENING? WE HAVE A FOR THIS EVENING, FIRST UP, MR. RONALD DEAK.
MS. I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE AND GENERAL COMMENTS, UH, PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE ON D 59 0 8 OAK CREEK TRIO HUBER.
THIS WAS JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVING REVIEWED AND READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER CONTRACT YOU DO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, GET RID OF THE AMBIGUITIES, MAKE SURE ZONING AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DON'T JUST SAY SINGLE FAMILY UNIT.
AND THEN THERE'S A CO SHOULD HAVE PROPER COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IS YOU SHOULD, IF YOU WANT TO DEVIATE FROM THAT, WHAT ARE THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO ADD TO YOUR THING TO MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM ONE PLACE, FROM ONE ZONE TO ANOTHER, THOSE THINGS WOULD ALLEVIATE WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OAKS.
AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.
THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF GRAY FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, DO THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ENDING UP WITH THINGS THAT WE'LL TALK LATER.
I DON'T WANT TO USE THAT FIVE MINUTES.
NEXT UP, MR. FRANK WILEY, I COULD EVENING, UM, I'M HERE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT COMING UP WITH THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 5TH, WE HAVE THE HEART SCHOLARSHIP FISH FRY THIS YEAR.
WE DIDN'T GET TO HAVE IT LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT EVERYBODY COMES OUT THIS YEAR.
WE DO HAVE TICKETS FOR SALE IN ADVANCE.
NOW THEY'RE $15 $20 AT THE DOOR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RAFFLES, THE MONTE CARLOS, THE GOOD FOOD THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE.
THE RADIO STATION WILL BE THERE.
UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING THIS YEAR AND, UH, TO COME ON OUT AND, UH, HANG OUT WITH US.
IT STARTS AT SIX AND RUNS TILL ABOUT 11.
UM, AND SO COME ON OUT AND SEE US THINK RIGHT NEXT UP WE HAVE MRS. JUDY BLANKETS, JUNE GOOD EVENING, JUDY BLANK AND CHIP 6 1 1 5 COURSE.
IT COULD DRIVE PAT LOCI 7 1 17 CHADBOURNE DRIVE.
SHE'S A NEWLY ELECTED MEMBER FOR OUR, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS SENIOR CENTER.
AND I AM VICE PRESIDENT CURRENTLY FOR MY SECOND TERM.
AND WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE SO EXCITED TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING A NEW SENIOR CENTER.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH 600 PEOPLE WOULD BE SO HAPPY BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE CAN'T VERY, UM, WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THERE ALSO FOR EVERY EVENT THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO SET UP TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR EVERY EVENT.
THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM ALL DOWN, LIKE IN THE MORNING FOR BINGO, PAT AND I WE'RE USUALLY THERE EVERY TUESDAY AND WE SET UP THE TABLES AND CHAIRS AT NINE 30, BINGO STARTS ABOUT 1230.
THEN WE HAVE TO STAY AND SET UP, TAKE THEM ALL DOWN AGAIN.
AND WE ARE SENIORS JUST POINTING THAT OUT, BUT WE ARE EXCITED.
WE HAVE HEARD THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT.
AND WE HOPE YOU, WE KNOW YOU WILL DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN YOU GO AND, UM, CHECK OUT THE OTHER SENIOR CENTERS AND SEE THE SPACE THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED AND WE HOPE YOU INCLUDE
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US IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT TACK DIFFERENT TIMES.SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE HAVE MR. JOE AND ANNA FIORI.
I LIVED DOWN THE STREET, BEEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW WITH MY WIFE AND CHILDREN.
UM, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
CAN THIS BE A QUESTION AND ANSWER OR IS IT STRICTLY YEAH.
UM, MY WIFE AND I WERE JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH JURISDICTION DOES THE CITY HAVE IN TERMS OF SUGGESTING OR IMPLEMENTING ANY MASK MANDATES? UH, WHETHER IN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES, ANYWHERE.
UM, SINCE IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION TO ANSWER, MAYBE AFTERWARDS, SOMEONE COULD HELP ME FIND THE INFORMATION ON THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER IT.
UH, I WILL SAY, I MEAN, SO FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, UH, THERE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
UH, YOU KNOW, TH TH EVERYBODY MAKES THEIR OWN DECISIONS THERE.
UM, WE COULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE POINT, ANY PERSON INSIDE OF CITY HALL, OR IF ANYONE CAME INTO CITY HALL, WE ESTABLISHED SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT THREAT LEVELS, UM, BASED ON THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN THE PANDEMIC FIRST STARTED.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE THREAT LEVEL WAS, WE HAD SIGNS UP AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CITY HALL THAT WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER MASKS SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE WORN, UH, WERE RECOMMENDED.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE EVER HAD AN ACTUAL MAN DATE IN CITY HALL WAS DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF THREAT, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, BUT OF COURSE, ANYBODY THAT WORKED INSIDE THE CITY WAS CERTAINLY WELCOME TO WEAR A MASK ANYTIME THAT THEY WANTED TO.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SCHOOLS GO, CITY HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS, THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE GOVERNING BODIES, TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
UM, THE SCHOOLS WILL MAKE WHATEVER DECISIONS THAT THE, THAT THE BOARD, UH, APPROVES FOR THE SCHOOLS AND THE CITY IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND OUTSIDE THEIR OWN WITH THAT.
SO THE JURISDICTION HERE IS ONLY FOR CITY HALL OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER YES, JUST CITY HALL THAT WE THERE'S NO LEGISLATION THAT WE COULD PASS THAT COULD DICTATE TO ANY PRIVATE COMPANY, PRIVATE BUSINESS OR WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR THEIR EMPLOYERS.
THOSE ARE ALL, UH, WOULD EITHER COME FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL FROM THE STATE LEVEL.
WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, OVER THAT.
IS THERE SOMEWHERE I COULD GO, ANYONE CAN GO TO VIEW THE CURRENT STATUS AT ANY POINT FOR A CITY HOME.
DO YOU KNOW? WE HA I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE CHANGED IT.
UM, WE HAVEN'T YET ONCE THE, ONCE THE STATE OF EMERGENCY FROM THE STATE OF OHIO WAS LIFTED, I BELIEVE THAT WAS MAYBE NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, EVEN, I THINK, YEAH.
I THINK ONCE, ONCE THAT STATE MANDATE OR THE STATE, UH, THE STATE OF EMERGENCY WAS LIFTED, THEN ALL THE COVID POLICIES THAT WE HAD HAD WERE LIFTED AS WELL.
NOTHING HAS BEEN REINSTATED SINCE THESE NEW VARIANTS OF COME OR CUFF COME AROUND.
UM, BUT WE'VE JUST BEEN GOING WITH, UM, WITH WHAT WE HAD PRIOR TO COVID AND IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
UH, AND NONE OF THOSE MANDATES HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED BACK AT CITY HALL.
NEXT UP IS NUMBER NINE, CITIZENS WHO ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS. YES.
I HAVE THREE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11, B AND THREE ON ITEM 12, THREE ON B AND 312.
[10. City Manager Report]
NUMBER 10, THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? VERY GOOD.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNCIL THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE DID, UH, AWARDED THE ENGINEERING FOR THE 2022 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT DID GO TO CHOICE WHEN ENGINEERING BOTH SECTIONS, UH, THEY, UH, HAVE COMMITTED TO OUR TIMEFRAME TO HAVE FULL ENGINEERING COMPLETED BY THE END OF MARCH.
UH, SO THEY, UH, THEY WERE THE RECIPIENT THERE, UH, WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THE DEMOLITION, UH, LANCER COURT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED TODAY.
AT LEAST THE STRUCTURE THERE'LL BE SOME SITE RESTORATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT AS OF ABOUT THE 11 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING, THERE WAS A WALL REMAINING AND, UH, AN EXCAVATOR, UH, FLYING THROUGH, UH, WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, ALSO WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO, UH, BRAND PIKE.
WE'VE DONE SOME DEMOLITION WORK, UH, IN, UH, CR DAYTON.
UH, WHAT IS THE NORTH SECTION OF CR DATE AND WHEN THE OLD NIGHTCLUB, UH, AS WELL AS SOME PARKING LOT, UH, WORK THERE AS WELL.
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COMPLETE AND DONE.UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT OUR TRANSACTION WITH THE LIBRARY IS COMPLETE.
THEY ARE NOW THE PROUD OWNER OF THE ACREAGE AT THE CORNER OF, UH, PREMIER WAY AND BRANT PIKE.
AND WE ARE THE LUCKY RECIPIENTS OF A $1 MILLION CHECK AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH LWCC LEADERSHIP TODAY.
THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM THAT'S BEEN ASSISTING US WITH, UH, SEVERAL COMPONENTS OF THE, UM, UH, THE MARION MEADOWS PROJECT.
AND THEY WILL BE ENGAGING IN A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES, UH, TAX WATER, AS WELL AS SENIOR CENTER.
SO THEY'LL BE COMING AROUND AND MEETING WITH FOLKS IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UH, WE'LL GET A FORMAL PROPOSAL PUT TOGETHER HERE SHORTLY, AND THEN THERE'LL BE ENGAGING WITH ALL OF THE RELEVANT PARTIES TO DETERMINE, UH, WE ARE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE WANTS AND NEEDS, UH, TO BUILD A BUDGET AND A PROGRAM AROUND.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL OF THOSE THINGS UNDERWAY AND HAPPENING AS OF TODAY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE OR IS IT ALL RIGHT? NOPE, THAT'S IT, SIR.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN, ANYTHING IN HIS REPORT.
[ An Ordinance Approving The Editing And Inclusion Of Certain Ordinances And/Or Resolutions As Parts Of The Various Component Codes Of The City Code Of Huber Heights, Ohio; Providing For The Adoption And Publication Of New Matter In The Updated And Revised City Code As Supplement 8; And Repealing Ordinances And Resolutions In Conflict Therewith. (second reading)]
11, 11 8 BUSINESS ITEM 11 EIGHT, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE EDITING AND INCLUSION OF CERTAIN ORDINANCES AND OR RESOLUTIONS AS PARTS OF THE VARIOUS COMPONENT CODES OF THE CITY CODE OF HUMAN RIGHTS, OHIO PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION AND PUBLICATION OF NEW MATTER AND THE UPDATED AND REVISED CITY CODE AS SUPPLEMENTED AND REPEALING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT THERE WITH AT THE SECOND READING.TONY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED? OKAY.
THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT THAT ITEM.
IS THERE EMOTION AS A VIRTUE FOR A SECOND? MR. WEBB? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
MR. SHAW MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning From Agricultural To Planned Residential And A Basic Development Plan For The Property Located On The East Side Of Bellefontaine Road And South Of Chambersburg Road And Further Identified As Parcel Number P70-03908-0126 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And Accepting The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Zoning Case 21-47). (second reading)]
NEXT UP IS ITEM 11, ITEM 11 B AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANT RESIDENTIAL AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD IN SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P SEVEN ZERO DASH 0 3 9 0 8 0 1 2 6 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP AND ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING CASE.I KNOW WE HAVE THREE COMMENTS HERE WHEN WE GO AHEAD AND CALL ON A CITY MANAGER FOR, UH, FOR COMMENTARY BEFORE WE HEAR FROM, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, JUST TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE DEVELOPER LATE LAST WEEK REGARDING INCORPORATING SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND CONCEPTS THAT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FROM A CITIZENS COMMENT.
AND BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND DEVELOPERS ASKED THE COUNCIL CONTINUED THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE TO ANOTHER READING, SAID THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO REVIEW, EVALUATE, AND EXPLORE THE ELEMENTS OF OUR CONVERSATION TO TRY AND BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF, UH, AND WANTS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE TO OFFER FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT, SIR.
BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION, UH, AND, UM, MOVING US TO A SECOND READING NOW WE WOULD ASK FOR THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT WAS SPURNED FROM OUR 90 MINUTE CONVERSATION IN MY KITCHEN, PROBABLY BEFORE HE SPOKE TO YOU, UH, WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL.
WE GOT DOWN AND DIRTY INTO THE WEEDS.
UH, HE STILL COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY HERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS SINGLE DETACHED UNITS WITH MEDIUM TO LARGE LOTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ZONING, IT'S THREE TO FIVE ACRES WITH AGRICULTURE, SO YOU CAN HAVE ANIMALS, HORSES, WHATEVER.
AND YES, SHE PROVIDED ME THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THE CALCULATION OF THE POND, THE RETENTION POND, THE WHOLE 60 SOME PERCENT OF IMPERMEABLE LAND, BUT HE COULDN'T PROVIDE ME THE CALCULATIONS.
IF YOU DRAW IT ON A MAP AND YOU HAVE IT ALL LAID OUT WITH HOW MANY UNITS YOU NEED, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ANSWERS.
UH, WE'RE STUMPED, STILL WAITING FOR THE ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING THAT I THINK YOU, MR. SHAW, UH, HAD ASKED ME, WHICH ONES AM I STILL WAITING FOR? WE STILL NEED THE, I STILL NEED THE ANSWERS, OUR REQUEST, THE ANSWERS.
UH, WE'VE AGREED TO DISAGREE EVEN WITH MY THREE PROFESSIONAL THINGS, UH, PE AND RA, AND A COMPREHENSIVE PROFESSIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, ENGINEERS COME UP WITH
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A NUMBER THAT GO INTO A NUMBER TO SOLVE THEIR SOLUTION.I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WHAT YOU, AS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAVE TO DO IS TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A LOT MORE SUBJECTIVE BASED ON CRITERIA.
YOU FOLLOW THAT AND YOU INPUT THE ENGINEERING PORTION AND YOU COME UP WITH A NUMBER YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT.
AND I ASKED HIM IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD GO ON THAT PROPERTY BASED ON HIS, UH, COSTS.
AND I ASKED, OKAY, WHEN COULD YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT GO THERE? HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST APPROXIMATELY SOMETHING, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE OAKS? AND HE SAID, IT WOULD COST BETWEEN 500 AND $650,000.
WELL GUESS WHAT, WHAT OUR PROPERTY IS GOING FOR NOW, THEY'RE PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A FOOT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WE AGREED ON, BUT THE OVERALL CAPTIONING IS THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CRITICAL FROM MY OPENING COMMENT, THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS TO HAVE MUCH MORE DEFINITIVE ITEMS INSTEAD OF JUST SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
IT NEEDS TO MIRROR MORE TO THE ZONING.
SO THEY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
UH, I'M GLAD HE'S GOING TO ANOTHER READING, BUT I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY CALCULATIONS.
WE HAVE MRS. SANDY SMITH, IF YOU'D PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
SO, UM, I TOO HAVE SPOKEN WITH A DEVELOPER SEVERAL TIMES AND, UM, AGAIN, WE AGREE TO DISAGREE.
THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, UM, AND AT THE WORK SESSION, WHICH WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON.
SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE IS THE QUESTION ON DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS. AND I KNOW THAT THAT CONVERSATION KIND OF GOT LOOPY.
SO I WANTED TO GO AND ACTUALLY ANSWER A QUESTION THAT THE MAYOR ASKED WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE AROUND THERE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH LAND, THAT THIS WOULD BE A FACTOR.
SO I LOOKED AT ALL OF THE BORDERING PROPERTIES AND OF THE BORDERING PROPERTIES.
THERE ARE ABOUT 3,300 SQUARE FEET, LINEAR FEET, ABOUT 2,400 OF THAT IS OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO CAN LEGALLY DISCHARGE FIREARMS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO ABOUT 70% OF THE BORDER OF THAT IS PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE WEAPONS.
DURING THAT CONVERSATION, I THOUGHT IT GOT A LITTLE SHANGHAIED INTO HUNTING.
THESE PEOPLE CAN DISCHARGE WEAPONS WHENEVER THEY WANT.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST DURING HUNTING SEASON, LIVING ON AGRICULTURAL LAND OF MORE THAN FIVE ACRES, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE FIREARMS, AND QUITE FRANKLY, TO KEEP THEMSELVES PROFICIENT AT USING FIREARMS, THEY SHOULD BE PRACTICING.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL SO THAT YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION THAT OVER 70% OF THAT LAND IS BORDERED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON FIVE ACRES, FIVE ACRES OR MORE.
UM, IN FACT, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON OVER 25 ACRES AND ONE ON 20 ACRES.
AND THEN THERE'S FIVE IN TOTAL.
THE OTHER THING, UM, UM, THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE BERM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, NANCY BERGE, AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A BURN FOR PLAT NINE OF THE ELKS UNDER THE ORDINANCE, THE DEVELOPER, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER, WHO ALSO WANTS TO BUILD ACROSS THE STREET IS REQUIRED TO PUT SIDEWALK GUTTERS, ANY BERM ALONG FITCHBURG.
I WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY BACK IN NOVEMBER WHEN A BURN WAS BEING INSTALLED, THE SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE YET, BUT THE STREET IS, YOU CAN TELL ABOUT WHERE THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE.
THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE BURN MUST BE TWO TO THREE FEET HIGH AND 10 FEET AT THE BASE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE ORDINANCE, THE BERM IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS IS BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE ROPE.
IT DOES NOTHING TO BLOCK THE HOUSING.
IT DOES NOTHING TO PROVIDE THE HOMEOWNERS THERE, ANY BLOCKAGE FROM POWER STRIVING BY THE HEADLIGHTS, THE NOISE, I GUESS.
SO WHEN THE BUILDER WAS HERE AND TALKING ABOUT, HE WAS GOING TO PUT A BERMAN THAT WOULD BLOCK THE NEW HOUSING ALONG BELL FILM.
MY QUESTION IS THE BERM THAT HE PUT IN ALONG FITCHBURG DOES NOT SERVE THAT PURPOSE.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU, DO YOU DRIVE ALONG FISHBURG AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY
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BERM THAT BLACKS, THOSE HOUSINGS, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, AT VOTING ON THIS, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN MY POSITION.I THINK THIS IS A HORRIBLE PLACE TO PUT 132 HOUSES.
IT IS AN URBAN PROJECT IN A, IN A RURAL AREA, AND IT'S SIMPLY DOES NOT FIT THERE.
LAST UP, WE HAVE TRACY HARMON.
UM, I LIVE IN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THIS AREA.
UM, I HAVE THE SMALLEST, WE ONLY HAVE FOUR ACRES, SO WE CANNOT DISCHARGE FIREARMS. UM, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF THAT THAT GOES ON CONTINUOUSLY ALL SUMMER HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF IT.
UM, I'M USED TO IT NOW, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BUILDER SAID HE WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING SOME KIND OF A DIVIDER, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY TO BLOCK, UM, MAINTAIN SOME PRIVACY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS, WAS DISCUSSED, THAT IS THE AREA WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT SHORTENING THE BACKYARDS OF THE RESONANCES FROM 25 FEET TO 20 FEET.
SO IF HE'S GOING TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF A SCREEN, HE'S GOING TO ASSUME BEING ON HOA MAINTAINED PROPERTY, THAT THE BUILDER, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THERE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO EXPECT THEM TO MAINTAIN IT, THAT IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT ALL WORKS, BUT MY CONCERN AGAIN IS, IS PRIVACY A DIVISION FROM 130 SOME HOUSES FROM, FROM OURS? UM, I KNOW WE HAD ALL THE ROAD WORK DONE ON BELL FOUNTAIN FROM LAST YEAR FROM, THEY STARTED IN APRIL.
THEY FINALLY FINISHED IN AUGUST.
AND THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO WAS THE CONTRACTORS WERE ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
THEY WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF, UM, BY THEMSELVES.
SO THESE TWO PEOPLE LAYING ALL THOSE PIPES, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE LOST ALL OUR PRIVACY ON BELL FOUNTAIN FOR THAT ROAD WORK.
AND I'M GLAD THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE OAKS AND THE PEOPLE LOVE IT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE ALL EXPOSED ON THAT SIDE NOW.
AND NOW, IF THIS GOES IN, WE'RE ALL EXPOSED ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO VOICE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THE COMMENTARY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PASS ITEM TO A THIRD READING.
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning To Planned Residential And A Basic Development Plan For The Property Located At 6502 Old Troy Pike And Further Identified As Parcel Number P70 04004 0003 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Tax Map And Accepting The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Zoning Case 21-34). (third reading)]
ANOTHER READING.AND NEXT IS ITEM 11 SEATS ITEM 11 C AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A REZONING TO PLAN RESIDENTIAL AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 5 0 2 ULTRA RIGHT PIKE AND FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 7 0 0 4 0 0 4 0 0 0 3 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S TAX MAP, ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING CASE.
TWO ONE DASH THREE FOUR AT THE THIRD READING.
AND, UH, BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH CURRENTLY REGARDING A POTENTIAL, UH, PILOTS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF TAXES.
THERE WERE SOME CALCULATION HURDLES FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET OVER.
UH, THERE ARE IN OTHER STATES FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT, THERE ARE AUTOMATIC DISCOUNTS THAT COME WITH THE ASSESSED VALUE.
AND SO WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH, UH, HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO GO ABOUT CALCULATING, UH, POTENTIAL SCENARIOS.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, THEY'VE MADE SOME INTERNAL CALCULATIONS, THEY'RE DOING A REVIEW AND I'M EXPECTING THOSE NUMBERS LATER THIS WEEK.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL TABLE THIS, OR CONTINUE TO ANOTHER READING, EXCUSE ME, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SEE AND DISCUSS THE NUMBERS FROM THE APPLICANT REGARDING POTENTIAL PILOT PAYMENTS FOR THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WORK SESSION.
CAN WE GOT THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THAT YET? THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THAT PROJECT IS DONE YESTERDAY.
WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO A FOURTH RING.
[ A Resolution Declaring The Purchase Of Potable Water As A Valid Public Purpose And Authorizing The Purchase And Distribution Thereof On An As Needed Basis. (first reading)]
AND NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 12 ON OUR NEW BUSINESS.WE HAVE ITEM 12, EIGHT ITEM 12, A OR RESOLUTION DECLARING THE PURCHASE OF POTABLE WATER AS A VALID PUBLIC PURPOSE AND AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND DISTRIBUTION THEREOF ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS AT THE FIRST READING COMMENTS, BRIAN, UH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR.
AND A RECOMMENDATION TO WORK SESSION WAS TO ADOPT THIS ITEM.
IS THERE A MOTION MR. WEBB? SO
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LET'S TRY IT.ANY DISCUSSION MR. MR. CAMPBELL? YES.
AND OCEAN CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[ A Resolution Creating A Special Jonetta Street Sewer Tap-In District For The Provision Of Sanitary Sewer To Certain Residential Properties. (first reading)]
ITEM 12 B A RESOLUTION CREATING A SPECIAL JEANETTA STREET SEWER TAP IN DISTRICT FOR THE VISION OF SANITARY SEWER TO CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AT THE FIRST READING.RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT THIS EVENING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THROUGH A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS MRS. BERG? YES.
[ A Resolution Consenting To The Ohio Director Of Transportation To Resurface State Route 202 From Fishburg Road To The South Corporation Limit. (first reading)]
MOTION CARRIES EIGHT ZERO.AND NEXT IS ITEM 12, SEAT ITEM 12 C A RESOLUTION CONSENTING TO THE HIO DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION TO RESURFACE STATE ROUTE 2 0 2 FROM FITCHBURG ROAD TO THE SOUTH CORPORATION LIMIT AT THE FIRST READING.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, THIS LEGISLATION IS THAT TYPICAL LEGISLATION FROM THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN OUR PARTNERSHIP FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL STATE ROUTES THAT RUN THROUGH THE CITY, BUT IN PARTICULAR, UH, WITH, UH, 2 0 2, UH, THERE WILL BE FOLLOW UP LEGISLATION AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE PROJECT AND, UH, ACTUAL COSTS ARE KNOWN, BUT THIS IS JUST A PROCEDURAL ITEM FOR THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRADE.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WORK SESSION WAS ADOPTIONS ARE EMOTION.
UH, RICHARD MOTION TO ADOPT FOR A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO ROGERS, MR. OTTO? YES.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Negotiate And Enter Into A Development Agreement With Homestead Development, LLC With Respect To Senior Housing Near The Former Marion Meadows Site. (first reading)]
UP WAS I'M IN 12 D AGAIN, I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE REGISTERED TO SPEAK, RIGHT.I AM 12 D A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT, LLC, WITH RESPECT TO SENIOR HOUSING DARING NEAR THE FORMER MARION MEADOWS SITE AT THE FIRST READING.
SO CALL ME MR. CHAD CASKEY COMMENTS.
I HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER PRIOR TO IS CONSIDERED.
UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO APPROACH THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, UH, IN AND AROUND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA.
AND THAT THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS FROM THIS PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY DATES BACK SEVERAL YEARS, UH, INCLUDING PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL WITH THE ORGANIZATION.
SO TO THAT END, UH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.
SO TONIGHT, LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOMESTEAD, UH, AT THE MEADOWS, THE MEADOWS IS, UH, STAFF'S COMPROMISE WITH RESPECT TO MARION MEADOWS, UH, WHICH IS THE STRIP MALL, WHICH WE ACQUIRED ALONG WITH CR DATE.
AND THAT HAS CERTAIN CONNOTATIONS TO IT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED SOUTH POINT CROSSING, WHICH HAD DIFFERENT CONNOTATIONS TO IT.
SO WE NEED TO CALL IT SOMETHING.
SO, UH, UNTIL A BETTER SUGGESTION COMES ALONG, WE ARE GOING TO REFER TO IT AS THE MEADOWS, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, AND TOUCHING BACK ON THE SOUTH POINT CONCEPT.
THIS WAS THE CONCEPT DESIGN THAT WAS PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I THINK JUST OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE UNVEILING OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, DATE MONTGOMERY COUNTY LIBRARY, UH, FOR WHAT IS, AND I KNOW THE LADY THAT DOESN'T WORK, UH, FOR WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY THIS STRUCTURE REPRESENTED HERE, UH, ON THE CONCEPT DRAWING, UH, THE CONCEPT DRAWING REFLECTS, UH, SOME OTHER, UH, CONSISTENT ITEMS, UH, AS TO, UH, A FEW OTHER DRAWINGS I'LL PRESENT HERE IN A MOMENT, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THIS SET OF PROPERTIES HERE, WHICH IS THE CR DATE AND STRIP MALL, WHICH WE OWN, UH, THIS IS DOGTOWN, UH, WHICH, UH, COUNCIL HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, FOR, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
THIS IS THE, WHAT IS NOW THE SIT-STAND PLAYER WAS FORMALLY SIT, STAY IN PLAY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THERE IS, UH, THESE TWO STRUCTURES BACK HERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING PREMIER FACILITY, AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PREMIER FACILITY, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THESE ELEMENTS CHANGED SOMEWHAT ACROSS THE SITE.
UH, BUT THEY ARE BASED ON, UH, ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, WHICH IS THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN.
SO, UH, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I TOUCH ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE SOME CONTINUOUS ELEMENTS THROUGH, UH, THESE CONCEPTS,
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UH, IN WORKING TO DEVELOP, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE CITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS AND MAINTAINING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THROUGH TIME.SO WHEN I STARTED WITH THE CITY ALMOST TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, ONE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE STARTED WAS WITH A GROUP CALLED, UH, HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES OUT OF COLUMBUS AND HOMESTEAD IS TRADITIONALLY AFFILIATED WITH SENIOR HOUSING AND STUDENT HOUSING.
AND THEY WORKED LARGELY OUT OF THE COLUMBUS METRO AREA, AND THEY WERE LOOKING TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT IN OHIO, IN PARTICULAR, IN THE DAYTON AREA AND THE ELEMENT THAT THEY WERE SHOPPING FOR WHEN WE MET THEM TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO WAS THE SENIOR PRODUCT.
AND AT THE TIME WE WERE TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT THAT PRODUCT, WE WERE ALSO TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT STANDING UP MARKET RATE UNITS.
AND, UH, THAT WAS ALSO THE TIME THAT WE WERE MEETING WITH BROAD REACH AND TALKING WITH BROAD REACH.
AND SO, UH, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HOMESTEAD, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MARION MEADOWS PROJECT, THE MIRIAM MEADOWS PROPERTY, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE NEED FOR BROAD REACH, TO BACKFILL SOME AREAS ON THEIR PRO UH, PROJECT, UH, THE HUBER COURT AREA, UH, IN PARTICULAR, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, HOMESTEAD ELECTED TO WORK FIRST WITH BROAD REACH.
UH, THAT PROJECT WAS MORE ADVANCED THAN AN ADVANCED STATE COMPARED TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, BUT THEY DID INDICATE THAT THEY HAD A DESIRE TO WORK HERE, UH, AND THAT THEY DID HAVE, UH, SOME CONCEPTS THAT THEY WANTED TO BRING BACK TO US TO THAT END.
UH, WE GIVE YOU THE MEADOWS, AND THIS IS AN UPDATED, UH, CONCEPT DRAWING OF WHAT, UM, OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE WERE SOME CONSISTENT ELEMENTS.
SO, UH, THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS NOW AT THIS LOCATION, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED PERSPECTIVE, UH, CR DAYTON, UH, THIS IS HERE, UH, DOGTOWN EXISTING PREMIER PROPOSED PREMIER.
THESE APARTMENT ELEMENTS ARE THE SAME, AND THIS IS THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, BUT I WANT TO PROVIDE, UM, KIND OF AN OVERALL VIEW OF HOW THIS ALL WORKS TOGETHER.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, PROPOSED POTENTIAL CIVIC SPACES, ONE OF WHICH IS THE SENIOR CENTER.
UH, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THAT CAME ABOUT TO BE PART OF THIS PLAN AS WELL.
THIS IS ALL INFORMATION THAT HOMESTEAD PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS CONCEPT IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS MADE BY COUNCIL AND RESPONSE TO COMMENTS MADE BY CITIZENS AND COMMENTS THAT, UH, AND COMMENTARY THAT EXIST WITHIN THE, UH, BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN.
SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, OR I GUESS, A, A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF HOW THESE ELEMENTS WORK TOGETHER, BUT YET ARE INDEPENDENT, UH, WALKING THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THESE APARTMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL, OR THIS WOULD BE, I GUESS, THE, THE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS, THE, OUR DAYTON AND DOGTOWN, UH, CIVIC USES HERE, INCLUDING PARK AND GREEN SPACE, OR EXCUSE ME, UM, PARK AND WATER SPACE, PREMIERE FACILITY.
AND THEN THESE APARTMENTS, UH, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE HERE IS PROPOSED AS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT, WHICH WE'LL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT HERE LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE PUBLIC ROADWAYS HERE, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF BRINGING, UH, THE SAME PUBLIC ROADWAY THROUGH HERE TO THE SOUTH AND CONNECTING AT FITCHBURG AS WELL AS STUBBING HERE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL THROUGH WHAT IS THE HUBER CENTER, OR I GUESS WHAT IS JUST, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE HUBER CENTER.
IF I, MY DIRECTIONS, SORRY, MY MOUSE IS CREEPING DOWN ON THE PODIUM.
UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT, AND WE CAN TOUCH ON, UH, ON THOSE AS WE MOVE FURTHER INTO THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE HOUSING COMPONENT.
UH, THIS IS REALLY THE HEART OF THE MATTER HERE.
UH, THIS REPRESENTS 133 SENIOR APARTMENTS, 55 PLUS IS THE MARKET THAT DEMOGRAPHIC HERE, AND THESE ARE 192, UH, MARKET RATE UNITS, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION HOMESTEAD SENIOR PRODUCT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE IN THE DAYTON MARKET.
THEY HAVE A FACILITY SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO THIS CONCEPT HERE ALREADY IN BEAVER CREEK, AND THEY ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
EXCUSE ME, WITH A SIMILAR CONCEPT IN MIAMI TOWNSHIP, THEY'VE SEEN GOOD TRACTION WITH THEIR PARTICULAR PRODUCT IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE HERE TALKING TO US AND WHY THEIR FOCUS WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE SENIOR PRODUCT.
IF YOU'LL RECALL, COUNSEL, UH, HAD SEEN A PRESENTATION SIMILAR, WE HAD PRESENTED MATERIAL SIMILAR TO, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, JUST ON THE SENIOR COMPONENT, UH, UH, UH, EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AGO NOW, HOW ALL OF THIS COMES TOGETHER, UM, AND CONCEPT, UH, THESE ARE THE THREE-DIMENSIONAL RENDERINGS THAT DEMONSTRATE, UH,
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THE CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE JUST SHOWN FROM THE ARIEL.THIS WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF REFERENCE.
UH, THIS RIGHT HERE IS A MUNICIPAL USE.
IT'S SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS THE SENIOR CENTER COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT, OR WOULD BE THE SENIOR CENTER COMPONENT REFERENCING, UM, REFERENCING THAT MAP.
THIS IS THE SENIOR CENTER COMPONENT HERE.
THIS WOULD BE THE, UM, APARTMENTS OFF TO THE SIDE, UH, IN THE ROUNDABOUT HERE, CONCEPT DRAWING OF THE MARKET RATE UNITS.
UH, AND THIS IS, UH, THE CORNER OF THE POND, THE EDGE OF THE POND HERE, UH, BOULEVARD.
SO WE WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY STANDING AT HUBER, UH, CENTER LOOKING SOUTH.
UM, BIRD'S EYE VIEW FROM ABOVE THE SENIOR CENTER, LOOKING TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST, UH, AT WHAT IS THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE HUBER CENTER, THE DRIVE THAT TERMINATES IN THE BACK OF THE HUBRIS CENTER.
SO CONCEPTUALLY YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DEVELOPERS TRIED TO REPRESENT SEVERAL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT, UH, AT THE MEETING FROM AUGUST 31ST, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL HOSTED A CITIZENS FORUM ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, AS WELL AS CONTENT THAT'S RELEVANT FROM THE BRAND PIKE MASTER PLAN.
NOW, THE AGREEMENT ITSELF SETS UP AS FOLLOWS.
THE DEVELOPER WOULD PURCHASE 17 ACRES FOR $50,000, AN ACRE THAT THE SAME PRICE THAT WE PURCHASED THE LAND AT.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE TRANSACTION IS NEUTRAL TO THE CITY.
THE DEVELOPER WOULD THEN PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT $40 MILLION WORTH OF TAXABLE REAL ESTATE.
THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY PAYS OFF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM INCLUDES THE PUBLIC ROAD UTILITIES AND STORM WATER.
AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THIS IS THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE FOR THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT, NOT ONLY ON THEIR BEHALF, BUT ON OUR BEHALF, SINCE THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER AND MUCH GREATER THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS MAINTAINED SO MANY TIMES WHEN WE GET INTO, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO PARTNERSHIPS WITH FOLKS, WHETHER OR NOT INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL, AND WE HAVE ALL THIS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP IN THESE CROSS EASEMENTS, AND THESE CROSS AXES EASEMENTS, WE LOSE TRACK OF WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINING WHAT, AND SO YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER WHO MAINTAINS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY DO IT WELL, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO THEIR WELL-MAINTAINED PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE OVER A PRIVATE PARKING LOT WITH POTHOLES IN IT THAT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
WELL, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE.
AND SO THE DEVELOPER WAS VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OF MAKING SURE THEIR INVESTMENT WAS PROTECTED, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER INVESTMENTS, NOT JUST OURS, BUT THOSE OF OUR PARTNERS WERE ALSO PROTECTED.
SO WE ADVOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC ROAD AND UTILITY SPLIT.
AND WE ALSO PARTNERED ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE POND THAT YOU SEE, UH, CENTRAL TO, UH, CENTRAL TO THE CONCEPT THAT ALLOWS STORM, WATER, RETENTION, AND DETENTION FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, BUTS THE, THAT KIND OF CENTRALIZED RING.
UH, AND IT ALLOWS TO MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST CONCEPT.
SO THERE ARE, THERE IS THE OPTION FOR ADDITIONAL COVERAGE.
THERE IS THE OPTION FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR ON THE SITE.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING VALUABLE REAL ESTATE TO INDIVIDUALIZE STORMWATER RETENTION METHODS ON TOP OF WHICH THIS ALSO PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE AND UTILIZING THE TIP OVERLAY TO MAINTENANCE THIS FACILITY, NOT JUST AS A WATER RETENTION DETENTION FACILITY, BUT ALSO AS A PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE OR RECREATION SPACE.
SO THERE WERE A LOT OF BENEFITS IN TRYING TO STRUCTURE THE DEAL THAT WE DID, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND AS I ALLUDED TO, WE'RE LOOKING AT UTILIZING A POST 1994 CRA, AND A TIF OVERLAY, THE POST CRA EFFECTIVELY GRANTS, A 50% TAX ABATEMENT FOR 15 YEARS.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS, UH, 100% OF THE TAXES ARE DUE.
THE TIFF WOULD CAPTURE CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MILLAGE, DO ALL OF THE VARIOUS PARTIES, UH, AND COLLECT THAT FOR OUR UTILIZATION, THAT TIF THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A NON-SCHOOL TIF, WHICH MEANS THAT BOTH THE SCHOOL, UH, BOTH SCHOOLS, UH, THE CUBER, AS WELL AS THE JOINT VOCATIONAL SCHOOL WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE MAXIMUM ALLOTMENT OR THE TOTAL ALLOTMENT OF THEIR MILLAGE RATE UNDER THE LAW, UH, AS ALLOWED BY THE CRA DURING THE FIRST 15 YEARS.
AND THEN AFTER THE CR CRA EXPIRES, THEY'LL RECEIVE THE FULL AMOUNT.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE TOTAL THAT THEY'LL BE RECEIVING CUBER SPECIFICALLY IS ABOUT $13 MILLION THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS DEAL IS WHAT THE MATH WORKS OUT FOR.
YOU FIND, RECALL THAT CORRECTLY.
SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY CAPTURING CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE COUNTY'S, UM, UH, TAXES WE'RE CAPTURING HOURS, AS WELL AS SOME ELEMENTS OF THE METRO PARKS AND THE LIBRARY, BUT THEY ALL DO RECEIVE SOME COMPONENT OF TAX REVENUE
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FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR THIS PARTICULAR POSEL.SO, UH, TECHNOLOGY NEVER SEEMS TO WORK.
UH, AS I TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE REVENUE FROM THE LAND SALE IS $850,000.
THE REVENUE FROM TAXES OVER 30 YEARS, UH, IS 7.1 LESS.
OUR ESTIMATED UTILITY COSTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHICH IS 700,000.
AND OUR TOTAL NET IS $7.2 MILLION.
NOW, WHEN I STARTED THIS PRESENTATION, I MADE COMMENTS TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING, AND IT RELATES TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
WE HAVE THE LIBRARY DISCUSSION GOING ON.
WE HAVE THE REVITALIZATION STUDY GOING ON.
WE HAVE THE SENIOR, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, ELEMENT GOING ON.
WE HAVE THE CR DATE AND A PROJECT GOING ON WITH RENOVATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH COUNCIL AND THE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND SOMETIMES, UH, AS MUCH AS WE WANT THERE TO BE CLEAN LINES BETWEEN THESE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, UH, THERE AREN'T.
AND SO I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK TO HOW ALL THESE THINGS COME TOGETHER TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO, UM, FOR YOU TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF, ISN'T HAPPENING, ABSENT THOUGHT AND CONSCIOUS APPLICATION OF OTHER INFORMATION IN DATA THAT WE HAVE.
NOW, I SAY THAT IN ADVANCE OF SHOWING YOU THIS, HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER, UH, I'M UH, I'M KIND OF AN OPERATIONS GUY WHEN IT COMES TO TO CITY GOVERNMENT, AND MY BALLYWICK IS HOW IT ALL WORKS AND HOW WE ALL PAY FOR IT.
AND THIS IS HOW WE ALL PAY FOR IT.
THIS IS EVERYTHING COMING TOGETHER IN THIS SLIDES THAT THIS IS THE LIBRARY TRANSACTION.
THIS IS THE RENT ROLL FROM CR DATE, AND THIS IS THE RENOVATION FROM CR DATE.
SO THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT AS OF TODAY.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHAT WE PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS WHEN EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE THIS PROJECT WILL NET RIGHT AROUND $1.6 MILLION WHEN WE'RE DONE COUNTING 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE MATH THAT GOES TOGETHER.
WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT THE DEVELOPER'S CONCEPT FOR THE MEADOWS INCLUDED THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS AND INCLUDED THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS FROM THE BRAND PIKE STUDY.
WE SENT THEM TO FIND THAT INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAME MORE DETAILED AFTER THE CITIZENS FORUM.
AND SO WE SENT THEM TO THIS LINK ON THE WEBSITE AND HAD THEM REVIEW THIS MEETING SO THAT THEY COULD HEAR AND SEE THE COMMENTS AND THE DIALOGUE THAT WAS OFFERED BY CITIZENS.
WE ALSO SENT THEM A COPY OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN SO THAT THEY COULD READ THROUGH AND SEE WHAT THEY COULD INCORPORATE AS PART OF THEIR CONCEPT OR WHAT WE WERE WORKING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE BROADER SCOPE.
AND SO THESE ARE THE PARTICULAR, WE'LL CALL THEM THE HIGH, THE HIGH SUMMARIES OF THE COMMENTS.
AND YOU'LL NOTE THAT OF THE FIVE LARGE ITEMS, THE REOCCURRING ITEMS THROUGH THE COMMENTS, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN DELIVERS ON FOUR OUT OF THOSE FIVE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO DELIVER ON ALL OF THESE POINTS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL THAT PROHIBIT US FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND WE'D RUN INTO THAT SITUATION IN THIS CASE.
AND I WANT TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WHY THAT IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW NEW RETAIL SPACE IS RELATIVE TO THIS PROJECT.
SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT WITH EVERYBODY REAL QUICK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT WORKS, BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU THAT THERE IS NOT SOMEBODY SITTING AT OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS NOT SOMEONE SITTING AT KOHL'S WITH THEIR FINGERS, CROSSED, STARING AT THEIR DESK PHONE, GOING, GOSH, I SURE WISH THAT BRIAN SHOULD CASKEY GUY WOULD CALL FROM THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS, BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO GO THERE.
AND IF HE WOULD CALL, WE COULD GET A DEAL DONE.
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, HOW IT WORKS IS THAT EVERYONE OF THESE CORPORATIONS, EVERY ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES HAS DETAILED METRICS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE MARKET.
AND BEFORE THEY EVEN TALK TO ME, THEY HAVE RUN AT NAUSEUM SEARCH AFTER SEARCH REVIEW, AFTER REVIEW OF THOSE ANALYTICS FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES TO DETERMINE
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WHETHER OR NOT THEIR TARGET MARKET EXISTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MARKET LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT SPECIFICALLY RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AT THE MEADOWS.
AND SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT THIS PLAN REPRESENTS, THE MEADOWS COMES DIRECTLY FROM THIS PLAN HERE FROM 2017.
SO FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, I THINK MOST MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WERE, WERE HERE AT THE TIME, BUT THERE WERE A FEW OF YOU WHO ARE NOT.
UM, THE REVITALIZATION PLAN WAS A JOINT PROJECT WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
IT STARTED IN 2015 AND WAS COMPLETED IN 17.
SO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PARTICIPATED MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PARTICIPATED AS DID SEVERAL CITIZENS.
AND THE FOCUS WAS ON BRAND PIKE FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO KITTREDGE THE WHOLE CITY, NOT OLD TROY ON BRAND PIKE FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO KITTREDGE.
AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO IDENTIFY THE CHALLENGES TO DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND ACTIONABLE STRATEGIES.
THOSE WERE THE THREE KEY THINGS THAT THE STUDY WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
SO THE CHALLENGES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY WERE DECREASED, BUT STABLE POPULATION.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR STUDY AREA, THE POPULATION IS DWINDLING, BUT NOT AT A SIGNIFICANT RATE.
AND SO IT'S ONLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM CENSUS COUNT TO CENSUS COUNT FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
SO WE'RE NOT SEEING MASSIVE DROPS OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE PARTICULAR STUDY AREA.
IT'S A FEW PEOPLE HERE AND THERE FROM CENSUS COUNT TO CENSUS COUNT, OR FROM CENSUS ESTIMATE FROM CENSUS ESTIMATE, IT'S LOW DENSITY AND AUTO FOCUSED.
SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, BUT THEY DON'T LIVE CLOSE TOGETHER.
THERE AREN'T A LOT OF THEM IN THE WAY AROUND THE AREA IS BY CAR.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THERE'S HIGH RETAIL VACANCIES.
THE STUDY ITSELF CALLS OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, THE MARION MEADOWS AREA, 25% IS THE VACANCY RATE OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT ALSO CALLS OUT IS AN OVERSUPPLY OF SUB STANDARD RETAIL SPACE.
TALK ABOUT LOW DAYTIME POPULATION.
WE KNOW THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WE ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
WE EXPORT MORE PEOPLE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES DURING THE DAY THAN WE RECEIVE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT A JOB HOLSTER.
WE'RE, WE'RE AN EMPLOYEE PROVIDER.
ANOTHER THING IS, IS WE'VE GOT SOME LOW INCOMES AND SOME CONSUMER EXPENDITURES, UH, AND LOW INCOMING CONSUMER EXPENDITURES AND THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN AND AROUND THE STUDY CORRIDOR, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND WHAT MONEY THEY DO HAVE.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE STUDY CALLS OUT IS A LACK OF MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL OPTIONS.
THE STUDY SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT A NEED FOR 1300 UNITS BY 2026.
SO ALL OF THAT SAID ANOTHER WAY IS WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE SPENDABLE INCOME TO PROVIDE ELEVATED MARKET OPTIONS IN FEWER RETAIL BUILDINGS.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MARKET.
SO I HAD TOLD YOU THAT COMPANIES RUN ANALYTICS.
THIS IS ONE SET OF ANALYTICS THAT THOSE COMPANIES LOOK AT.
AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO FIND THEM.
UH, BUXTON IS A COMPANY WHO PROVIDES THOSE ANALYTICS.
THEY'RE ONE OF THE TOP TIER PROVIDERS OF THE ANALYTICS.
WE HAVE ACCESS TO BUXTON THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
SO MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, UH, ERIC COLLINS AND HIS TEAM, THEY HAVE THE SOFTWARE, WHICH WE CAN UTILIZE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHO WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO AS MUCH AS I ENJOY.
UH, RUTH'S CHRIS STEAK, ONCE A YEAR, WHEN I TRAVEL, CHANCES ARE RUDE.
CHRIS, PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO COME HERE.
AND ERIC COLLINS AND HIS TEAM, WE CAN CALL THEM UP AND SAY, HEY, WE REALLY WANT A RUTH'S AND EH, PROBABLY NOT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.
THERE ARE OTHER ENTERPRISE ESR.
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER BUCKETS OF BUCKS IN AN SSRI OR TWO.
THIS DATA COMES FROM, IT COMES FROM BUXTON.
SO ON THE LEFT IS ULTRA AND TAYLORSVILLE, HALF A MILE.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS BRAND AND FITCHBURG.
NOW THIS IS RELEVANT, UH, ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT AT THE TIME THAT WE PUT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE TOGETHER, WE WERE TALKING WITH, UH, THE, UM, WITH THE BROAD REACH FOLKS.
AND THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY DOES IT HAVE TO, WHY DOES ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE TO GO HERE? WHY CAN'T PEOPLE RELOCATE AND SPREAD THE DEVELOPMENT OUT? WHY IS THERE ALL THIS TRAFFIC HERE? WELL, BECAUSE THE ANALYTICS MAKE IT.
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WHAT'S IMPORTANT.ARE THE NUMBERS HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE? I WILL TRY.
AND TAYLORSVILLE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS 68,004 11.
AND AT BRENTON FITCHBURG, IT'S 56, 2 71.
WHEN YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS AND YOU MULTIPLY IT BY THE DIFFERENCE IN HOUSEHOLDS, THERE'S THINK IT'S 2.3 MILLION.
DID I BRING MY LITTLE STICKY? I DID BRING MY STICKY NOTE.
HA IT'S $2.3 MILLION WHERE THE SPENDABLE INCOME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
IT'S 2.3 MILLION MORE SPENDABLE INCOME IS WITHIN HALF A MILE OF OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE.
THEN AT BRENT AND FITCHBURG 2.3 MILLION MORE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT MEDIAN INCOME, IT EQUATES TO 1.6 MILLION MORE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTED, WHY BUSINESSES ARE MORE INTERESTED IN LOCATING WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS OF OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE, THEY'VE GOT 2.3 MILLION REASONS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FAIR.
IT'S 1.6, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THERE'S MORE MONEY AVAILABLE AT THAT INTERSECTION, OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE THAN THERE IS THAT BRANDON FITCHBURG TRAFFIC MATTERS TO TRAFFIC COUNTS AT THESE INTERSECTIONS AGAIN, RIGHT HERE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM IS 1.2 MILLION ANNUALLY.
THAT'S 1.2 MILLION MORE CUSTOMERS A YEAR AT OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE, RELATIVE TO BRANT AND FITCHBURG.
NO, I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO COUNSEL AND THE FACT THAT I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT MORE CARS AND MORE TRAFFIC IS THE SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR COMMERCE PROBLEMS. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ADVOCATING HERE, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO COUNCIL, AND WHAT I DO WANT TO ADVOCATE IS THAT FOR BUSINESSES TO RELOCATE TO PLACES, WE WANT THEM TO BE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CUSTOMER BASE THAT IS APPEALING TO THEM.
SO MAYBE IT'S NOT CARS, MAYBE IT'S MONEY, BUT IF IT'S NOT MONEY, IT HAS TO BE CARS BECAUSE CARS REPRESENT CUSTOMERS.
SO YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL END-USERS I WANT, I THINK THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL END-USERS IN THERE THAT YOU WANT, AND MAYBE THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN MINE.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING THAT BUXTON ANALYTICS CAN DO IS IT'S LIKE A REVERSE DIRECTORY FOR YOUR TELEPHONE.
WE CAN INPUT INFORMATION INTO IT AND IT CAN TELL US WHO WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE INPUTTING INFORMATION FROM.
SO WE TURNED AROUND AND WE HAD THE COUNTY INPUT, BRANDT AND FITCHBURG INTO THE SYSTEM AND TELL US, HEY, WHAT COULD YOU FIND FOR US? THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND.
BASIC RETAIL IS ALL DOLLAR STORES.
NOW I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE COLUMNS ARE.
SO THE IDEAL CUSTOMER ACCOUNT IS, ARE THERE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR MY STORE TO MAKE IT WORTH MY WHILE TO OPEN UP? YES, IDEAL CUSTOMER RATIO ARE ENOUGH OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR MY STORE, GOING TO SHOP AT MY STORE.
YES, IDEALLY COST OR IDEAL CUSTOMER SIMILARITY ARE THOSE CUSTOMERS WHO LIVE NEAR MY STORE, WHO ARE LIKELY TO SHOP AT MY STORE.
DO THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SHOP AT MY STORE? AND THERE'S YOUR ANSWER.
I'D ALSO POINT OUT THAT DEPARTMENT STORES ARE ON THE DECLINE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THIS BOOK HERE IN THIS STUDY.
THESE ARE FULL SERVICE, DINING RESTAURANTS.
THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT CALLS OUT THAT THE RESTAURANTS, DINING OPTIONS WITHIN THE STUDY CORRIDOR ARE IN BALANCE IS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT IS THE PHRASE THAT, THAT THE STUDY USES IT BECAUSE IT CALLS OUT THAT, UH, THE RESTAURANTS ARE IN, UH, IN BALANCE, BUT THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BAR AND TAVERN ESTABLISHMENTS TO BE INTO THIS, UH, INTO THIS STUDY AREA WITH, UH, WITH SOME SUCCESS.
BUT IT ALSO SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IT IS UNLIKELY.
LET ME REPHRASE THAT, THAT THERE ARE A FEW, UM, THERE, THERE IS A FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR STANDALONE DESTINATION DUNNINGS.
SO, UM, TH THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DOMINIC'S HERE.
THERE IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MAMA TO SALVAGE AS THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A TREASURE ISLAND.
THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PARAGON HERE.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO COME AND DRIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
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THAT WAS UTILIZED TO COMPILE THE STUDY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.AND AT LEAST WE CONSIDER AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND WE WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO BE THOUGHT, THOUGHT CONSCIOUS OF WHEN MAKING DECISIONS.
SOMETIMES YOU WILL, YOU WILL HEAR ME REFER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS NOTHING MORE THAN SHUFFLING THE DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I'D LIKE TO POINT TO THE TWO RED ROOFS ON THIS SLIDE, THE TWO RED ROOFS ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT REPRESENTS THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS RELOCATING TO OUR SITE IMMEDIATELY SOUTH, AS WELL AS WHAT IS THE TAX AND THE WATER OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE RELOCATING OFFSITE FOLLOWING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SENIOR CENTER.
NOW, I SAY THAT, AND I BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS PARTICULAR MATTER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW IT IMPACTS OTHERS.
AND SO WHILE WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON OUR PARTICULAR SITE, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE WANTS, IF WE'RE DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRECTLY, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS ONE, WE CAN TAKE THIS CHALLENGE AND WE CAN TURN AROUND AND WE CAN MAKE IT AN OPPORTUNITY.
I WAS RECENTLY INTRODUCED TO THE THAI RESTAURANT IN THIS STRIP MALL, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T EATEN THERE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.
OUR PROJECT WILL PROVIDE THOSE FOLKS WHO OWN THAT RESTAURANT 600 NEW CUSTOMERS.
THERE'S THE CLOSED DEROMA RESTAURANT THAT HAS A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN.
THERE IS A MEXICAN RESTAURANT THAT HAS A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN OR A MEXICAN GROCERY STORE THAT HAS A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN AND RESTAURANT LOCATED IN THE STRIP MALL.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT ALL MATIC THEY COULD DO WITH SOME MORE CUSTOMERS, BECAUSE I CAN ONLY GO THERE SO OFTEN BEFORE MY WIFE GETS MAD AT ME.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALL HAPPEN ON OUR SITE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR EFFORTS AND OUR PROJECTS, AREN'T DELIVERING TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT COMMUNITY WANTS OR OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.
AND TO THAT END SAY, TECHNOLOGY NEVER WORKS FOR ME THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
SO TO THAT END, THIS RED CIRCLE REPRESENTS THE HALF MILE FROM OUR SITE.
EVERYTHING WITHIN THIS CIRCLE WILL BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE BRING TO OUR SITE.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE, AT LEAST WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO THINK OF IT THIS WAY, ALL BOATS RISE ON THE TOP.
SO THE WATER'S GOING TO COME IN.
THE TIDE IS GOING TO COME IN ON OUR BEACH AT THE MEADOWS.
AND WHEN THAT COMES IN ON OUR BEACH, IT'S GOING TO COME IN AT EVERY BEACH WITHIN THAT RED CIRCLE.
AND THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE AND BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR SITE TO HELP THEM AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT CIRCLE IS WITHIN THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, STUDY AREA.
SO WHAT'S THE CITY TO DO INCREASE POPULATION, INCREASED DENSITY, REDUCE RETAIL SPACE, INCREASE NON RETAIL, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND INCREASE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL OPTIONS SET ANOTHER WAY, ADD MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE SPENDABLE INCOME TO ATTRACT ELEVATED MARKET OPTIONS IN FEWER BUILDINGS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU TODAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT'S A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE FIFTY FIVE PLUS SENIOR APARTMENTS.
IT'S 192 MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, $40 MILLION WITH A TAXABLE REAL ESTATE THAT DIDN'T EXIST THERE BEFORE.
EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REPRESENTED WITHIN THIS BOOK, THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION WE'RE ADVANCING THE PLAN THROUGH A VARIETY OF MEANS.
AND WE'VE JUST GONE OVER THOSE.
WE'RE PROVIDING A SENIOR HOUSING OPTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE LACK WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL COMMUNITIES ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN LACK.
AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IT OFFSETS THE CITY'S INVESTMENT COSTS WERE PROJECTED TO NET A SURPLUS WHEN EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE.
AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTERPRISE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
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HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THEM.SO WITH THAT, YOU LOOK FORWARD MR. MAYOR TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
THANKS IT, UH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE REGISTERED TO, TO SPEAK ON THE TRAILER ITEMS. SO JOHNNY, IF YOU WOULD, UH, CONTINUE THAT.
UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE MRS. CINDY SCHWARTZ, IF YOU PLEASE, SORRY, CINDY SCHWARZ WERE TOO.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT.
THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ANY TYPE OF QUESTION.
UM, IF I WAS IN BETWEEN, IF I LIKED THE IDEA OR NOT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT, UH, BRIAN ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, UM, I GUESS WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT FROM WHAT I SEE, UH, WHAT I HAVE SEEN, WHAT WAS SPOKE ABOUT TONIGHT, EVERYTHING SOUNDS AMAZING.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SEEING IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, SET IN STONE GOING TO BE THERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, EVERYBODY IS TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WANT GROWTH.
WE WANT GROWTH SELF, AND THEN HERE, WE FINALLY START TO DO THAT AND THEN IT'S, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT GROWTH SOUTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M AROUND WHERE CHICK-FIL-A HAS BEEN A SUCCESS, CANES, SUCCESS, SMASHBURGER STARBUCKS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT MORE TO COME THERE.
AND IT, IT WAS OBVIOUS WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT BRIAN SAID THAT, OF COURSE THEY WANT TO GO THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BRING IN THE PEOPLE, BRING IN THE MONEY, MONEY'S GOING TO HELP THE SCHOOLS.
ALSO I D OVER, YOU KNOW, SOUTH, I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY WOULD REALLY NOT WANT THIS.
UH, SO, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPER WANTING TO PUT IN $40 MILLION, UM, INTO THAT AREA.
SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
UM, THERE GORE IT, I'VE HAD MY BATTLES WITH YOU, AND I'LL STILL GIVE YOU A HARD TIME HERE AND THERE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE HAD AND GOING FORWARD.
UM, I JUST HOPE THAT IT KEEPS CONTINUING, AND I THINK ALL OF YOU FOR TAKING ALL THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS DO, I KNOW THE PAY LEVELS, SO YOU KNOW THIS AND SOMETIMES THE THANKLESS JOB.
SO I WANTED TO PERSONALLY COME UP HERE AND THANK ALL OF YOU.
WE HAVE MR. RONALD D FIRST, THAT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION.
IT REALLY SHOWED SOME NUMBERS.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION, IT COVERS MORE THAN THAT.
HOW DO YOU GET IT TO TIE INTO WE'RE FRICKER AS IS AND ALL OF THAT AREA AND CONTINUE ON, UH, WHERE SPEEDWAY IS AND YOU CONTINUE.
WHAT IS THAT NORTH? HOW DOES ALL THAT TIE INTO YOU DID A GOOD JOB THERE, BUT IT'S LIKE IT'S LEFT HANGING.
WHAT'S THE OTHER STEPS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO TRY TO CORRECT THE DEFICIENCIES OF SUBURBAN SPRAWL.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS I, I WON'T SAY WHO, BUT I TALKED TO ONE PERSON ON COUNCIL AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN THE DENSITY AND WHAT THE FOCUS IS ON THE STUFF FROM ACROSS THE OAKS IS WHERE THOSE, I GUESS THE APARTMENTS THE ROW, IF YOU PUT UP THE PICTURE, UH, NOT WHERE THE SENIOR THING IS, THE OTHER ONE IS, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHERE PEOPLE, AS HE PUT IT IN THE MEETING WITH ME, PEOPLE ARE DOWNSIZING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE LAWNMOWER, EVERYTHING ON THE PUBLIC AREA OR THE PROPERTY IS TAKEN CARE OF, BUT NOW WE'RE DEALING BACK WITH APARTMENTS.
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IF THERE COULD BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE AND ADDRESS, HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME HERE AND ADDRESS THOSE VERY GOOD.THERE'S NOT MANY ISSUES WITH IT, BUT INTERCONNECTIVITY THE FUTURE OF THE NEXT PHASE.
HOW DO WE GET THERE OTHER THAN, YES, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MILLION DOLLARS OVER 30 YEARS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT 30 YEARS FOR APARTMENTS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SENSE OF OWNERSHIP AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET A LOT MORE TAX BASE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IS BASED ON OWNERSHIP.
AND PART OF THAT SHOULD BE LIKE THE ONE PERSON SAID THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE IS THAT A POSSIBILITY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS BALANCE SHEET SHOWS BASED ON HIS INVESTMENTS.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WE SOLD THE PROPERTY FOR THE LIBRARY FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
NOW WE'RE SELLING PROPERTY AT 50,000 AN ACRE.
IS THAT A SWEETHEART DEAL FOR NO BETTER WORD TO THE DEVELOPER TO DO WHAT HE'S DOING? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UH, RON, I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE YOU.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL SAY YES, YOU ARE 1000000% CORRECT.
THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE IS JUST ONE SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.
THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION IS, IS NOT MARION MEADOWS.
MARION MEADOWS IS ONE PHASE OF THE BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION.
NOW, WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE? I CAN TELL YOU WHERE IT WON'T GO.
IF WE DON'T GET BACK OUR EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE SPENT, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN THIS COUNCIL ASK THE TAXPAYERS FOR CONFIDENCE IN US THAT WE CAN CONTINUE REVITALIZING OUR CORRIDOR.
IF WE DON'T RECOUP THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.
SO IF WE DON'T FIND A WAY TO RECOUP THE INVESTMENT OF THE EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION THAT WE SPENT ALREADY, IT IS VERY CLEAR WHERE THIS REVITALIZATION PLAN WON'T GO.
NOW, I THINK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CERTAINLY HAPPENS IN STAGES, BUT THE ONE THING THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO KNOW, BRIAN, VERY ELOQUENTLY POINTED OUT IN THE PRESENTATION.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE AND YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY, THOSE ARE THE TWO KEY INGREDIENTS THAT ANY ECONOMIC GROWTH PEOPLE AND MONEY, THE BRAND PIKE PLAN SHOWS HOW MANY PARTS, HOW MANY DIFFERENT UNITS OR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, 1300.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE WHAT, WHAT WE THINK WE WANT AND WHAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE.
BUT THEN WE HAVE WHAT THE MARKET DATA IS TELLING US IS GOING TO DRIVE ECONOMIC GROWTH.
AND THIS COUNCIL HAS GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE OF THOSE ARE THEY WILLING TO GIVE UP OR WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT CAN BE VOTED BASED ON EMOTION.
THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO SPEND THAT EIGHT AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS BUYING THAT PROPERTY SO WE COULD BULLDOZE IT TO GENERATE A NEW AESTHETIC, LOOK FOR THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE $40 MILLION.
WELL, IT HAS TO BE ABOUT THE MONEY.
IF IT ISN'T ABOUT THE MONEY, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE CAN'T, NOBODY WOULD HAVE AGREED TO SPEND EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR SOME GREEN SPACE AND A PARK, SOME SIDEWALKS AT MARION MEADOWS.
NOBODY WOULD HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOUP OUR INVESTMENT.
SO WE CAN DUPLICATE THAT PROCESS AND NOT JUST FROM CHAMBERSBURG TO TAYLORSVILLE, BUT LOOK AT ALL OF THE, WHAT WAS LABELED AS SUBSTANDARD, RETAIL SPACE FROM FITCHBURG TO KITTREDGE.
NOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO AT PAL, RIGHT BETWEEN FITCHBURG AND POWELL, BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S ALL HOUSING.
WE HAVE HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THERE OTHER THAN MING'S AND HENDRICKS AUTO SERVICE.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO START BULLDOZING HOUSES ON BRAND PIKE.
BUT ONCE YOU GET PAST WHERE YOU GET SOUTH OF POWELL ON THE EASTERN SIDE BESIDE YOU ON THE EAST SIDE OF BRAND PIKE, THERE LOOK AT ALL THE SUBSTANTIVE RETAIL SPACE THAT'S THERE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
SO IF WE TALK ABOUT THERE BEING A NEED, AND IF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED JUST THROUGH NATURAL OCCURRENCES, WHY HAS THAT HAPPENED ALREADY? WHY HASN'T IT HAPPENED ALREADY? WE'VE SAID, AND WE MADE
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IT A POINT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN US MULTIPLE TIMES.I'VE SAID, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO INVEST IN US, WHO ELSE IS GOING TO, WE TOOK A STEP.
AND NOW THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE $40 MILLION OF TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN, WHO IN THE WORLD FIVE YEARS AGO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY AT BRANDT PIKE IN FITCHBURG.
THERE ISN'T ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM WHO THOUGHT THAT, CAUSE THERE ISN'T ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL THOUGHT THAT $40 MILLION OF NEW TAXABLE PROPERTY AND THE HEART OF THE CITY BUENA COMES FROM THAT IS ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE, NOW THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ECONOMIC CYCLES THAT HAPPEN.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING OR WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET WHAT WE ALWAYS GOT, UM, AND I STARTED THIS WHOLE THING, THIS CONVERSATION, THE TOWN HALL THAT I GAVE BACK IN DECEMBER, WHEN THAT FIRST CONCEPT DRAWING CAME OUT AND I'LL ASK AGAIN, IF NOT US WHO IS GOING TO DO IT, THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 40 YEARS LOOKING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT DID RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING, IT WOULD STILL BE SITTING THERE.
AND ALL OF US WOULD BE SCRATCHING OUR HEAD ASKING HOW IN THE WORLD, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ANYBODY COME IN WITH A GUN HERE? WHY DON'T WE HAVE A BUSINESS HERE? WHY CAN'T WE GET ANYTHING MORE THAN, UM, RETAIL SPACE? AND THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE STUDY NON-EMPLOYMENT OR NON RETAIL EMPLOYMENT WAS A HUGE KEY.
WE HAVE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF RETAIL SPACE.
WHEN YOU IT'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
WHEN YOU MINIMIZE THE RETAIL SPACE, THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BIGGER DEMAND FOR THAT SPACE.
AND IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER DEMAND FOR THAT SPACE, GUESS WHAT THE LANDLORDS OR THOSE PROPERTIES WILL DO.
THEY WILL INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES.
THEY WILL INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PROPERTIES NOW ARE COMPETING AT A LEVEL BETTER THAN WHAT THEY DID BEFORE.
THAT IS ECONOMIC GROWTH PEOPLE AND MONEY.
WITHOUT EITHER OF THEM, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
IF NOT US WHO? AND IF NOT NOW, WHEN IT'S BEEN 40 YEARS, 40 YEARS, 40 MILLION BUCKS, THE SCHOOLS $13 MILLION.
YES, THAT'S OVER 30 YEARS, BUT GUESS WHAT? DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN TO GET THAT $13 MILLION.
OH, THE TAX LEVY, THAT'S $13 MILLION.
THAT'S GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOLS THAT HE WRITES, SCHOOLS, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING EXTRA TO INFUSE $13 MILLION INTO THE RIGHT STATE SCHOOLS OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
THE SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS GONNA NEED MONEY.
THERE'S NEVER, EVER GONNA NOT BE A NEED FOR MONEY IN OUR SCHOOLS, $13 MILLION, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY $1.2 MILLION SURPLUS.
AND THIS PROJECT, YEAH, IT'S OVER THREE YEARS.
BUT GUESS WHAT, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT BUYING THIS PROPERTY AND PUTTING US ALL TOGETHER, THAT WE COULD SPEND EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, DIDN'T COST YOU A PENNY TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA.
THE TIF REVENUE EVEN PAYS THE DEBT SERVICE.
SO THERE'S NOT EVEN AN ANNUAL DEFICIT PAYMENT ON THE BUDGET.
THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.
THIS ISN'T JUST MARION MEADOWS.
THIS ISN'T JUST MARRIED MINUTES.
SO RON, IF WE DON'T GET OUR MONEY BACK, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE BECAUSE NOBODY WILL LET US SPEND ANOTHER EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION TO REINVEST AND DUPLICATE THIS PROCESS ANYWHERE ELSE ON BRAND BIKE.
YES, WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE $1 MILLION AFTER GETTING IT OVER 30 YEARS.
BUT THAT REALLY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT TOO.
HOW DO YOU GET THERE? BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT CHUNK OF PROPERTY WHERE, UH, BREAKFAST PLACES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S PRIVATE.
YOU GOING TO THE CITY AND APPLY THAT AND PULL THOSE THAT DO IT.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL, IT'S, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN PASSING THE OLYMPIC TORCH.
ALL WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL, ALL OF US, AREN'T GOING TO BE UP HERE AT 10, 15, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT ALL WE CAN DO IS TAKE THE TORCH THAT WE'VE GOTTEN
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FROM PREVIOUS COUNCILS, FROM PREVIOUS LEGISLATION TO WHEREVER WE'RE AT NOW, PICK UP THE TORCH AND MOVE IT FORWARD AND ADVANCE IT THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN.SO WHEN OTHER COUNCILS AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE ELECTED UP HERE, THEY CAN DO THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT'S LEAVE THE CITY IN A BETTER POSITION THAN WHAT IT WAS WHEN WE FOUND IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
AND, AND IF I SEND THEM PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I AM, THIS IS MY HOME.
I'VE LOOKED AT THAT HUNK OF CRAP FOR, AND I'LL SAY IT FOR 40 YEARS.
I'M JUST GLAD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND THE 20 MILLION MR. SHAW WAS WILLING TO SPEND TO BUY IT.
SO YEAH, I'M, I AM EXTREMELY PROUD OF WHAT THIS PROJECT CAN DO AND WHAT IT CAN DO FOR THE FUTURE AND THE TORCH THAT WE CAN PASS TO FUTURE COUNCILS TO CONTINUE THE WORK THAT WE STARTED TO FIND A CITY BETTER THAN WHAT WE FOUND IT.
AND THAT'S ALL, AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO, BUT WE GOT TO GET OUR EVEN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BACK.
AND THIS DOES, AND IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE NEXT.
OKAY, MR. JEFFREY HOWARD, YOU'RE UP NEXT? GOOD EVENING.
JEFFREY HELD, I WORK OR LIVE AT 32 0 3 DRY RUNS STREET.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ALSO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF CINDY AND THIS GENTLEMEN, I EITHER GIVE OR RECEIVE ABOUT A HUNDRED PRESENTATIONS A YEAR, AND THAT WAS MASTERFUL.
UM, YOU TOOK A COMPLEX TOPIC AND DISTILLED IT DOWN TO WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, AND THAT TAKES SOME EFFORT.
UM, I DIDN'T COME UP HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A DIVISIVE ISSUE.
I CAME UP HERE BECAUSE I HAVE A, KIND OF A STORY THAT RELATES TO LIFTING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA, AND IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO GROW UP IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND THEN WE STARTED GETTING STRIP MALLS LIKE MARION MEADOWS, AND THEN ONE BECAME TWO AND THEN TWO BECAME A SECTION OF TOWN.
AND NOW IT'S 30 YEARS LATER, 40 YEARS LATER.
AND I DON'T EVEN GO BACK HOME TO VISIT BECAUSE THE PLACE IS SO UNSAFE.
THERE'S NO BUSINESSES THERE, ALL THE, ALL THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE HAD MOVED OUT OF THAT INTO A DIFFERENT REGIONS.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL HAVING THE WISDOM TO START SEEING THAT HAPPEN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS IS A GREAT THING.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING THAT FORESIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
MY FAMILY AND I MOVED HERE ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO NOW, UM, WE'VE LIVED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND WE'VE DECIDED TO MAKE THIS OUR HOME AND THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS AS A COUNSELOR PROTECTING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S GROWING, EVEN IN TIMES LIKE THIS, I REALLY APPRECIATE AND RESPECT AND THINKING FOR THAT'S ALL I HAD.
AND LAST STOP WE HAVE MRS. CINDY SMITH, THE LAST STEP ON ALWAYS FEELING LIKE I'M SUMMARIZING ONCE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME, ONCE WASN'T ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH.
UM, GOT TO SAY, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS COME UP ON THE AGENDA SINCE I WAS AT THE, UM, TOWN HALL MEETING AND I SAW WHAT CAME UP, I WAS VERY SURPRISED BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT REALLY DIDN'T REPRESENT WHAT MANY PEOPLE SPOKE ABOUT AT THE TOWN HALL WHILE WE WANTED TO SEE PERHAPS SOME HOUSING THERE, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS WE WANTED TO SEE, BUT WHAT STRUCK ME IS WHAT I REMEMBER IS PROVIDING HOMES, OWNER, OCCUPIED HOMES, NOT A BUNCH OF MORE APARTMENTS, MORE RENTALS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, A MASTER POLL PRESENTATION THAT YOU DID, NUMBERS ARE GREAT NUMBERS.
I HAVE SO MANY NOTES TO LOOK UP AND RESEARCH THINGS FOR US.
UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I THINK BACK TO THE VERY FIRST TIME I SPOKE TO CITY COUNCIL, AND I TOLD YOU THE STORY OF A PLACE THAT I USED TO LIVE 30 YEARS AGO, UM, THAT WENT THROUGH A RAPID GROWTH RATE.
AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE, IT WAS THE PLACE TO LIVE.
PEOPLE TRIED TO TRANSFER IT INTO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE THE TOWN WAS SO TOGETHER.
EVERY, EVERY MILLAGE THAT CAME UP FOR A SCHOOL PAST SCHOOLS WERE WONDERFUL.
HOWEVER, THEN A LOT OF RAPID DEVELOPMENT CAME IN.
A LOT OF RENTALS CAME IN AND THOSE SCHOOL MILLAGES STOPPED BEING PASSED BECAUSE RENTERS DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
AND IT CHANGED THE FLAVOR AND THE,
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I HATE TO BE KIND OF ZEN ABOUT IT.IT CHANGED THE SOUL OF THE CITY.
AND WHEN WE WENT BACK 30 YEARS LATER, I REALLY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT.
AND AS FOR THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOBODY WANTED TO TRANSFER IN ANYMORE BECAUSE THEIR MILLAGES STARTED FAILING.
AND SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GROWTH AND I UNDERSTAND DEMOGRAPHICS, AND IN FACT, I TOOK A CLASS IN DEMOGRAPHICS AND DEMOGRAPHICS CAN BE USED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND I PLAN ON USING DEMOGRAPHICS NOW AND LOOKING UP A FEW THINGS, I THINK IT'S THE CONTINUE, THE THOUGHTFUL GROWTH.
AND I HAD HEARD A STATISTIC THAT HUBER HEIGHTS IS 30% RENTALS.
AND I THINK THE OWNER OCCUPIED PORTION OF THIS ISN'T THERE.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT THERE AND ALSO, UM, I'M GREAT.
I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT IT'S SENIOR HOUSING.
I HOPE IT'S DONE THOUGHTFULLY IN A WAY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT GRANTS AND YOU'RE DOING IT FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, RESIDENTS IS PRIORITY OR INCOME LIMITED OR SUPPLEMENTED.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE HERE THAT TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THE RESOLUTION AND SELL THE LAND.
AND WE'RE GOING WITH THIS THEN THAT'S IT.
I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION, A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT PUT INTO IT AND THE EFFECTS OF WHAT THIS WILL HAVE ON ALL OF US.
SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AGAIN.
I JUST WANT TO JUST COMMENT ON THAT ON THE LAST PIECE THERE.
SO JUST SOME RATINGS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT WOULD PRECLUDE OR ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD VOTE.
THEY WOULD GO THROUGH WHAT ALL OF YOU ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS FOR A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT BASICALLY IS ON THE PLAN.
IT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, THERE WOULD BE ALL KINDS OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE BASE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN ONCE THAT WOULD BE APPROVED, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT IS MOVING THIS FORWARD TO SELL THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE STILL ALL THOSE SAME PROCESSES THAT HAS TO GO, THAT THIS WOULD GO THROUGH LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT PIECE, ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
AS I READ THROUGH EXHIBIT A FOR THE DEVELOPER, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES 133 RENTAL UNITS AND 183 MARKET RATE UNITS.
IF THAT'S, THAT IS, UM, THAT IS THE PLAN.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE LOOK, UH, HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT, HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED THE BUFFERING, WHERE THEY GO, HOW THEY FIT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD COME BACK ON A, ON A, ON A BASIC PLAN, BUT NONE OF IT IS OWNER.
SO EVEN IF, IF THE CONCERN IS ONLY OWNER-OCCUPIED OR A MIX OF OWNER-OCCUPIED, THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY, UH, AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN THE PLAN.
UM, THAT'S NOT AN ADDRESS BECAUSE IT IS MORE AROUND THE MULTI-FAMILY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, BRIAN, THE DEVELOPER ASKS FOR A COPY OF THE BRAND PIKE STUDY, CORRECT.
SO I THINK PART OF THEIR PLAN, THEY PUT TOGETHER WAS ALL BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE READ AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE STUDY.
AND I REMEMBER READING THAT STUDY AND COMING TO THE TOWN HALL AND SPEAKING ABOUT OWNER OCCUPIED, I DIDN'T REREAD THE STUDY LAST NIGHT.
UM, AND I, IT JUST STRUCK ME AS IT'S ALL APARTMENTS AGAIN.
AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE PARKVIEW APARTMENTS AND WHAT THE RENT IS FOR THEM.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE AREA, THE INCOME OF THE AREA, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE APARTMENTS.
WELL, MARKET RATE WOULD BE SO WOULD BE THE MARKET.
THE MARKET NORTH OF 70 IS CERTAINLY MORE THAN WHAT THE MARKET WOULD BE A BRAND FITCHBURG.
SO THE, WHATEVER THEY BUILD WILL BE WHAT THEIR STUDIES SHOW IS, THE MARKET RATE AT THAT AREA.
SO THOSE RENTS CERTAINLY WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A $2,000 A MONTH APARTMENT AND NOT, UNLESS THEY KNOW THAT'S THEIR STUDIES SHOW, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BE WILLING TO DO.
BUT THERE, THERE, MARK SAYS ARE GOING TO SHOW WHAT THEY CAN MAKE.
AND IS THAT GOING TO BE WHAT PEOPLE IN THAT AREA COULD AFFORD? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF MARKET RATE.
THEY WILL DETERMINE WHAT THE MARKET, WHAT THE MARKET WILL BE.
WELL, WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR.
AND THEN CLEARLY IF THEY'RE BUILT AND THEY'RE NOT RENTING, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, THE MARKET RATE IS MARKET RATE IS MARKET RATE.
I KNOW, I JUST THINK THE 30% IN THE CITY.
SO I ACTUALLY, SO IT'S INTERESTING
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TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ABOUT THAT TOO, WHEN YOU, THE REASON THAT OUR RENTALS SEEM LIKE A LOT IN YOUR BRIGHTS IS JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS WE HAVE.BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS MORE LIKE 23, 20 4% RENTAL SHARE, AND HE WRITES, IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO CENTERVILLE AND, AND MIAMISBURG AND, UH, KETTERING AND BEAVER CREEK, WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR RENTAL PORTION VERSUS OWNER-OCCUPIED HOMES, IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME.
THE DIFFERENCE IS WE HAVE 15,000 RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN HEBREW HEIGHTS.
SO 23% OF OUR 15,000 IS MORE THAN 23% OF BEAVER CREEKS, YOU KNOW, 38,000 OR KETTERING'S 50 MA KETTERING, 55,000 MIAMISBURG IN SAYREVILLE, 26,000.
SO A POPULATION, BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THE PERCENTAGE WE HAVE 15,000 MAKES IT HIGHER.
BUT AS A PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL TO OWNER-OCCUPIED, IT'S VIRTUALLY STEADY ALL ACROSS THE REGION.
THAT'S NOT THE RESEARCH I HAD DONE, BUT I WILL GO BACK AND REFLECT ON IT.
I DO APPRECIATE, I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND SPEAKING AND, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO ADDRESS US AND REALLY BEING INVOLVED.
SO WE HAVE, UH, THE ITEM ON HERE, THE FIRST READING, UH, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION, MR. WEBER, IS THERE A SECOND, MR. CAMPBELL, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR COUNSEL.
UM, JUST TO HIT ON SOME OF THOSE SLIDES, BRIAN, THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR WE'RE AT, UH, I THINK IT WENT 1, 2, 3, 4 ITEMS THAT WERE CHECKED OFF.
AND ONE, YOU SAID, NOW DIDN'T MEET THAT ONE.
THE NEW RETAIL SPACE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS NOT CHECKED OFF.
I'M GOING TO WALK THAT FROM, FROM BOTTOM TO TOP YOU RETAIL SPACE, NOT THERE, CORRECT.
THERE ARE CIVIC USES IN THIS DESIGN.
HOWEVER, THERE IT'S NOTHING NEW.
IT'S JUST RELOCATED TRAFFIC, CONNECTIVITY, UM, RUNNING THAT STREET THROUGH THAT DOES CONNECT TRAFFIC FROM, UH, UH, FITCHBURG TO, UH, CHAMBERSBURG, UM, AND SOME OTHER CONNECTIONS.
NOW, IF BY WALKABLE, YOU MEAN BY THE PURE DEFINITION OF I CAN GO THERE AND WALK.
BUT BY THAT DEFINITION, UM, TROY IS WALKABLE.
AND SO HIS BRAIN AT PIKE, IT'S WALKABLE.
I CAN WALK DOWN IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS MEANT BY WALKABILITY.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STUDY, I HAVE NO REASON TO GO TO THIS DESIGN AND WALK.
WHAT WOULD I WALK TO? IT'D BE LIKE EVERY PLACE ELSE AND YOUR WRITES.
I PULL IN, I PARK, I GO IN, I DO MY BUSINESS.
I GO BACK TO MY CAR, DRIVE TO THE NEXT PLACE.
I GOT NO REASON TO WALK TO ANOTHER PLACE THERE, NOTHING THERE TO WALK TO.
AND THE OUTDOOR SPACE RECREATION.
WHAT, WHERE WOULD A SAM, A YOUNG FAMILY AND MY KIDS ARE NOT ALL GONE, BUT I'M A YOUNG FAMILY AND I WANT TO TAKE THEM OUT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THERE TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR SOME LITTLE OUTDOOR RECREATION.
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO? SO I'M GOING TO SAY WE HIT TWO OUT OF FIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TWO OUT OF FIVE, UM, MONEY.
WE TALK ABOUT BREAKING EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRIOR OWNER OF THAT SPACE, THAT WAS HIS ONLY CONCERN TOO.
YOU SEE THAT WHERE, WHERE THAT GOT US, RIGHT? UM, IN THE, UH, BUXTON, THE STUFF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THE DATA AND WHATNOT.
I DO LOVE DATA BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHERE I WANT TO GO, I CAN MAKE THE DATA WORK FOR ME OR NOT.
UM, BUT IT DOES BUXTON OR ANY OF THESE OTHER, UM, ANY OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES, DO THEY ADDRESS OUTSIDE OF MAJOR RETAILERS, MAJOR NATIONAL BRANDS? DO THEY, DO THEY ADDRESS AN ISSUE, NICHE MARKETS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.
LOOK, HOW MANY BY LOCALITY AS TO WHERE THEY STAND OR EVEN ON A REGIONAL BASIS, IS THAT ADDRESSED WITHIN THOSE STUDIES? OR IS IT PRIMARILY NATIONAL RETAILERS, BUXTON OR E S ESR? I ONLY RESPONDS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GIVEN.
SO IF THE NICHE MARKET, OR IF THE REGIONAL FRANCHISE OR WHOMEVER THAT IS, HAS IT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO THE DATABASE TO BE UTILIZED THEN NO, IT WOULD NOT BE REFLECTED WITHIN THAT INFORMATION.
SO IT IS ALL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THOSE PARTIES, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE NICHE MARKET COMPONENT IS REPRESENTED, THE DEMOGRAPHICS WOULDN'T BE MISREPRESENTING
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OR WOULDN'T BE MISLEADING WITH REGARD TO THE SAME MARKET ELEMENTS.IF A KASAI KNOWS, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF CASINOS DON'T WORK, THE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR MARIAN'S, ISN'T GOING TO WORK EITHER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HOW MANY PAGES DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? SOME OF THEM ARE FOR THE DEVELOPER WHO OBVIOUSLY ISN'T HERE, SO I WILL SKIP THOSE.
UM, BRIAN, WHAT OTHER COMPANIES OR DEVELOPERS HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH IN THIS AREA? UH, I CAN SAY THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.
THIS IS THE ONE WHO RESPONDED WITH A PROPOSAL.
SEVERAL LIKE 10, SEVERAL, LIKE HALF A DOZEN.
UM, I KNOW JOHN, IF YOU SAID WE GOT TO ACT ON THIS FISCALLY, NOT EMOTIONALLY, I'M EMOTIONAL, SO I'M NOT EMOTIONAL.
I WENT OUT YESTERDAY AND I WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THERE.
THEY FEEL, THEY'RE NOT HEARD ON THIS COUNCIL.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A SINGLE SET OF TREE LINES THAT'S IN THAT AREA.
HOW THAT'S A BUFFER FOR A THREE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, LOOKING INTO THEIR BACKYARD.
AND WHEN IT'S WINTER, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING.
THEY, UM, I'VE GIVEN TONY SOME PETITIONS, SOME LETTERS, UH, THERE'S BEEN EMAILS, SENT THE RESIDENTS.
AREN'T HAPPY, UM, WANTING TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW SHOULD I PUT THIS? AND I'M NEAR TO THIS AND YOU CAN PLEASE CORRECT ME.
UM, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO DIAL PARK ABOUT A BIKE PATH, PUT BACK THROUGH THERE A BIKE PATH ON A PARK ALREADY.
THIS IS A WHOLE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH PEOPLE SMACKING THEIR BACKYARDS.
AND THESE PEOPLE GOT NO NOTIFICATION, NO NOTHING.
THEY FEEL SO BLINDSIDED BY THIS.
THESE ARE PERMANENT RESIDENTS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RAISED THEIR FAMILY AND ARE CURRENTLY RAISING THEIR FAMILY.
WE TO GIVE THEM THE SAME RESPECT, EVEN IF THEIR INCOME IS NOT WHAT IT IS UP HERE ON OLD TROY TO THIS, THEY'RE STILL HUMANS RAISING THEIR FAMILIES ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TO TREAT THEM THE SAME AS WE WOULD.
ALSO, SHOULD WE REALLY MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS? WE HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A, HOPEFULLY A NEW CITY MANAGER COMING ON BEFORE LONG.
HOPEFULLY SOONER THAN LATER, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BRIAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ON YOU BY ANY STRETCH OF THE MEANS.
WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CURRENTLY HERE AND HERE.
WE HAVE THE WATER SYSTEM STILL GOING ON, WHICH THAT IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF WATER PROBLEMS. HOW ARE WE DOING ALL THIS? WE CAN'T REPLACE EVERY WATER LINE RIGHT AWAY.
WE HAVE GOT SOMETHING IN THE WORKS, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THAT AREA.
SO HOW IS THE WHOLE WATER SYSTEM GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED THERE? BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? SO WITH REGARD TO THE WE'LL CALL IT THE UTILITY ISSUE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HAD PRESENTED WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCENTRATION OF WATER MAIN BREAKS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, ISN'T RECEIVING A DISPROPORTIONATE ERROR, A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF BREAKS RELATIVE TO THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY, THE AREA WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE DISPROPORTIONATE BREAKS, EXCUSE ME, TO THE NORTHEAST OF CHAMBERSBURG AND OLD TROY, THAT AREA IS, UH, ALREADY BEING DESIGNED FOR THERE'S FIVE OR SIX SECTIONS, UH, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE ABNORMAL OR ABNORMAL NUMBER OF BREAKS.
THOSE AREAS ARE ALL CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN TO BE REPLACED.
THOSE REPLACEMENTS WOULD HAPPEN LATER IN 2022.
EVEN IF THE PROJECT THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL, IF IT WERE EVEN TO PASS TONIGHT AND BE FAST-TRACKED
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THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER PROCESSES THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AT THIS LOCATION, WOULDN'T COMMENCE UNTIL LATE 20, 22 COINCIDING WITH THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT OCCURRING IN THE AREA WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE ABNORMAL NUMBER OF BREAKS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING AN ABNORMAL NUMBER OF BREAKS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA DESIGNATED FOR THE PROJECT.AND BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD BE GOING IN AROUND THE SAME TIME AS THE PROBLEMATIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING REPLACED.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SYSTEM MOVING FORWARD WHEN IT IS FULLY OPERATIONAL.
EVEN IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WANING IN, UM, IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, THAT IS STILL THE FIRST INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO GO WHEN THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES WOULD THEN BE BUILT AFTER THAT.
SO THE ACTUAL USE AND DEMAND ON THE SYSTEM WOULD NOT OCCUR FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THAT, MEANING THAT THE PROBLEM AREAS WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE ABNORMAL NUMBER OF BREAKS, ALL OF THAT REPLACEMENT WORK SHOULD BE DONE.
WHEN THIS PROJECT WERE TO COME ONLINE AND ACTUALLY BEGIN DRAWING WATER FROM THE UTILITY OR ADDING TO THE WASTEWATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, I WOULD STILL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ONCE WE GET THE STUDY DONE AND KNOW WHAT'S CAUSING THE BREAKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PROBLEM THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS JUST SAYING.
ALSO NUMBERS DON'T TIE TOTAL UP WITH ME.
UM, WE'RE SELLING 17 ACRES, 8.1 WAS THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL APARTMENTS.
WHAT'S THE OTHER LAND FOR THAT? DOESN'T EQUAL 17 THAT'S IN OUR POCKET.
I'M SORRY WITH RESPECT TO, UM, SOMEWHERE IT SAID THAT WE WERE SELLING 17 ACRES, BUT WHEN IT HAS THE SPECS, IT WAS 8.1 ACRES WAS THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL AND THE SENIOR WAS 6.0, WHICH IT DOES NOT EQUAL 17 REFERRING TO THE CONCEPT DRAWING.
SO THE CONCEPT DRAWING PREDATED THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE WITHIN THE AGREEMENT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S CONCEPTUAL AND SUBJECT TO FINAL SURVEY, AS WELL AS THE PROCESS FOR SITE APPROVAL, WHICH CORRELATES TO YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER REGARDING THE NOTIFICATION OF THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE PROVIDING THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THAT IS, THAT IS PROVIDED TO US THROUGH THE CODE OR THROUGH PRACTICES APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
IN THE INSTANCE OF DIAL PARK, THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC PROCESS FOR STAFF TO FOLLOW.
THAT WAS A DIRECTION PROVIDED BY COUNCIL TO NOTIFY THOSE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS WITH RESPECT TO THAT PROJECT AFTER DEBATE FIRST OCCURRED AT THIS BODY.
IF I RECALL THAT CORRECTLY, WITH REGARD TO THOSE NEIGHBORS BEING NOTICED OF THIS PROJECT, APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
IT SETS BASIC TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR THE AGREEMENT, OR EXCUSE ME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR IN ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
BUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND BASED ON THAT PROCESS, THAT IS WHEN THOSE RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE, WHO WOULD MEET THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF NOTIFICATION WOULD RECEIVE THOSE NOTIFICATIONS SO THAT THEY COULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY COULD EVENTUALLY COME TO COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTARY ON HOW THE PROJECT WOULD IMPACT THEM.
SO WE ARE NOT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE MEANS BY ANY STRETCH OF MEANS OR IMAGINATION BEING DISRESPECTFUL OR IGNORANT TO THE NEEDS.
AND THE WANTS OF OUR CITIZENS.
WE, AS STAFF ARE FOLLOWING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE LAID OUT FOR US BY LEGISLATION ENACTED BY COUNCIL.
SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SNEAK THIS IN UNDER THE UN UNDER THE RADAR, OR WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT PAST PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE OR NOT GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD.
THESE PROJECTS ARE INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED.
THEY TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND THEY REQUIRE THAT A PROCESS BE FOLLOWED.
AND WE ARE SIMPLY AT A POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE THOSE RESIDENTS ARE NOT YET NOTIFIED, BUT WE ARE NOT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE IMPACTED WILL BE PROVIDED THE APPROPRIATE NOTICE IN RESPONSE TO THE CODE AND THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE SO THAT THEIR VOICE CAN BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BY CITY COUNCIL.
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ALSO, CAN I ASK WHY WE FIRST GOT THIS ON FRIDAY? IT, IT READ THAT WE WERE TRYING TO APPROVE FOR, UM, SENIOR HOUSING AND THE MARKET RATE HOUSING.AND NOW WHEN WE GET IT, SUDDENLY THE MARKET RATES NOT ON THERE, BUT THE SR IS WHY DID THAT GET ELIMINATED OFF? I DO.
I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TITLE OF THE LEGISLATION.
UM, I'M GONNA BLAME, I'M GONNA BLAME JERRY NOW.
UM, QUITE HONESTLY, MA'AM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS LEFT OFF THE TITLE OF THE LEGISLATION.
UH, I KNOW THAT WE WERE, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ASSEMBLED ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE LEGISLATION AND MATERIALS WITHIN THE TIMELINE THAT COULD JUST BE AN OVERSIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS ON FRIDAY AND THEN TODAY IT WASN'T AN UNLIKE.
WHY DID THIS SUDDENLY GET DONE DIFFERENTLY? UM, AS I SAID, I'M HAD DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD, THIS KIND OF NOT BE PASSED UNTIL WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER AND A DEVELOPER.
UM, ALSO, UM, HAVE WE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPER, HAS THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANNER INSIGHTS THAT WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH RIGHT NOW IS THOSE TALKS BEEN HAPPENING, OR AGAIN, THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
ONCE THIS IS APPROVED AND THE DUE DILIGENCE PHASE, THIS IS TYPICALLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE TABLE.
IF WE WERE NOT THE GOVERNMENT, IF WE WERE JUST THE LAND OWNER, WE WOULD COME TO TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SALE WITH THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD APARTMENTS OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A FACTORY.
AND WE WOULD REACH OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
AND ONE OF THOSE TERM, SEVERAL OF THOSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE AS THE APP, AS THE PUTIN IS THE FUTURE OWNER.
I NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE REZONED FOR THE USE.
I WANT THAT ONCE IT'S REZONED FOR THE , WILL THEY APPROVE THE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN THAT I NEED FOR MY BUSINESS OR FOR MY END USE TO OCCUR.
AND ONCE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, NORMALLY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THOSE ARE THE FINAL CONDITIONS OF SALE.
AND THEN THE PROPERTIES CLOSE PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS, WHERE WE ARE, UH, ANCILLARY INVOLVED IS WITH THE WESTPORT VILLAGES PROJECT ON, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG, FORT WHATEVER 280 SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THEY HAD SEVERAL CONDITIONS IN PLACE THAT WERE REQUIRED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THEY PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THEM BEING ABLE TO CLOSE WAS TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAD APPROVAL FOR SITE PLAN, LAYOUT AND REZONING.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE OCCURRED IN NOW, THEY ARE CONTINUING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE ACTUAL LAND OWNER.
IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT'S NOT A DISSIMILAR PROCESS.
IT'S MORE OPENLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
AND THERE ARE MORE ITEMS THAT WE AS THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO CHECK OFF BECAUSE WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION OR PRIVATE BUSINESS, BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW IS NOT DISSIMILAR IN THAT.
EVERYONE IS MAKING SURE BOTH PARTIES ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEIR NEEDS AND WANTS ARE BEING LOOKED AFTER WITH REGARD TO, UH, DIS TRANSACTION GOING FORWARD.
UM, ANOTHER THING WAS, I WAS HERE.
I'M VERY VERBAL AND AUGUST 31ST, JUST AT THE TOWN HALL AS PRIVATE JOSEPH, IS IT A SON AT THAT POINT? UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD GET A CLEAN SLATE PROPOSAL BECAUSE THE CITIZENS HAD EXPRESSED WHAT THEY WANTED, WHAT THE SKETCH WAS ON THE 31ST WAS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT IT.
HAVE WE SEEN A CLEAN SLATE PROPOSAL? IS THERE ONE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HERE'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
AND AS I SAID, I'M GOING TO HAVE THE EMOTIONAL SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S ME.
I HAVE THE FINANCIAL SIDE, BUT I ALSO HAVE THE EMOTIONAL SIDE.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT A DOWNTOWN, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT WILL BRING ME TO IT UNLESS I'M SITTING ON COUNCIL AND WE MOVED COUNCIL CHAMBERS THERE, NOT ONE DARN THING.
I SITTING HERE WITH AN 80 SOME YEAR OLD MOTHER.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY HER NAME BECAUSE SHE WILL KILL ME ON STRICT SWAT WATCHING.
THERE IS 1,060 PARKING SPACES.
IF SHE WANTED TO GET FROM ONE OF THE SENIOR PLACES TO THE LIBRARY, IT WOULD BE A HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK GOING THROUGH.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN HOW PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS HERE IN CUBA,
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SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WALK AND SHE DOES NOT DRIVE.SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WALK THAT HOW THIS IS LAID OUT.
LASTLY, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE MY LITTLE SKILL TO YOU GUYS.
WORKFORCE SHOULD GET THE SAME RESPECT AS WARD ONE DID WITH DIAL WARD SIX, WITH THE DEVELOPMENTAL BOUND BELL FOUNTAIN AND WARD FIVE, AND THE APARTMENTS THAT WAS GOING IN THERE.
THESE ARE HARDWORKING FAMILIES THAT HAVE LIVED THERE IN A NICE PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PHRASE PEOPLE FOR POLITICS HAS BEEN USED AS A CAMPAIGN SLOGAN BY A FEW.
I ASKED WHERE'S THE PEOPLE FOR POLITICS IN THIS PLAN, THE STUDY OF CITIZENS, NOT JUST WARD FOR ONE OF THE DOWNTOWN.
I ASKED WHY WE WERE ASKED IF THE COUNCIL HAD NO DESIRE TO MAKE THIS A DOWNTOWN DON'T PROMISE THE CITIZENS.
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY FEEL.
I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE A DECISION, I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND THAT IS CORRECT, BUT MORE SO THAN MAKING A DECISION.
I WAS ELECTED ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE VISION WISHES OF THE PEOPLE IN MY WARD.
AND I WILL CONTINUE DOING THAT FOR WARD FOUR, BECAUSE I WENT OUT FOR HOURS, TALKING WITH RESIDENTS YESTERDAY AND LISTENING TO THEIR VISIONS.
MY VOTE ON THIS CONCESSION AND GOING THROUGH TONIGHT IS A NO.
SO NINA, I'M GOING TO BE BLUNT WITH YOU.
UH, YOU AND I HAD A MEETING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAD TO ASK ME TO DO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON A THURSDAY WAS TO HAVE THE SAME MANAGER, PROVIDE A LETTER OF INTENT.
SO THE CINCINNATI REDS TO PROVIDE HOUSING ON THIS SITE FOR BASEBALL PLAYERS, FOR THE DAYTON DRAGONS.
I'M I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED HERE.
WHY IN YOUR MIND HOUSING IS OKAY FOR MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYERS ON THE SITE, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY FOR ANYBODY ELSE, A SMALL AMOUNT OF HOUSING.
I MEAN, SO ARGUE THIS, BUT SERIOUSLY.
I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION YOU GOT TO ANSWER.
YOU WANTED A LETTER OF INTENT SENT TO SOMEBODY, TO YOUR CONNECTION WITH THE CINCINNATI REDS, TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYERS.
WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR SENIOR CITIZENS AND FOR OTHER RESIDENTS.
AND NOW SUDDENLY YOU DON'T LIKE HOUSING.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT IT DOWNTOWN.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ANY DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A PLACE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO LIVE.
THE WHOLE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN DAYTON HAPPENED AROUND ONE SPECIFIC ITEM, THE DAYTON DRAGONS BASEBALL FACILITY, THERE'S NOW RESTAURANTS, BARS.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE, A LOT OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.
THEY HAVE MOVED DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT AREA.
SO I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DOWNTOWN THAT DIDN'T CONSIST OF LOTS OF PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.
NOW I'M AWARE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHAT THEIR VISION WAS, BUT IF REVITALIZATION IS GOING TO START ON BRAND PIKE, IT HAS TO START WITH SOMETHING.
IT HAS TO START WITH SOMETHING.
NOW, IF THE DEVELOPER LIKE I'M ASKING, IF THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, MS KITCHEN, THAT IS A PERFECT IDEA.
WE WILL SET ASIDE TWO WHOLE BUILDINGS AND A HUNDRED OF THESE APARTMENTS TO ALLOW FOR A BASEBALL PLAYERS WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO BE, BECAUSE I'M AWARE NOW THAT THE NATURE LEAGUE CHANGED THE RULES.
SO THE MAJOR LEAGUE ORGANIZATION ASKED TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR THEIR MINOR LEAGUE FARM TEAMS. AND IF THEY WERE GOING TO SET ASIDE ALL THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR A HOUSING OF THESE MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYERS, WOULD YOU BE AN L DEPENDS ON HOW IT WAS ALL SET UP? WELL, OF COURSE, OF COURSE, I THINK I'M MAKE IT MY POINT HERE.
AND THAT IS THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF SOME HOUSING, BUT IN OTHER CASE, YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF HOUSING AND, AND I, I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHY THAT'S THE CASE.
AND I, AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE CLARIFIED THAT OTHER THAN, UM, JUST BEING APPOINTED.
AND, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE ANY FURTHER ABOUT THAT, BUT I, I JUST, I THINK I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, UH, HAVING A RESOLUTION IN MY OWN BRAIN ABOUT THAT, HOW HOUSING IS OKAY FOR BASEBALL PLAYERS, BUT SON OKAY.
I, I I'M, I'M BAFFLED BY THAT.
I NEED IT SINCE HE HAD MENTIONED IT, UH, I ALSO WALKED AND SPOKE WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS YESTERDAY.
AND, UM, TONY, YOU HAVE ALL THE PETITION SIGNATURES THAT WERE GATHERED ANY LETTERS THAT WERE PROVIDED AND ALL THE EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVED PART OF THIS, THIS MEETING PACKET.
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH.JUST TO CLARIFY, TONY, HOW MANY EMAILS DID YOU RECEIVE? I THINK I GOT 15 OUT OF 43,000 RESIDENTS.
AND HOW MANY ON THE PETITION? I HAVE COUNTED THAT AS I WAS JUST GIVEN THOSE RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY WERE ON THE PETITIONS? PROBABLY 50, BUT THAT WAS, WE WENT OUT IN THE COLD.
I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY BRUTAL FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2015.
IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MORE THAN 75 PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GO, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR A WHOLE THREE WEEKS.
THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE 2015, W THE BRIGHT BRAND PIKE, THE DATA, THERE WAS 2015.
SO I THINK THE POINT SHE'S MAKING AND I AGREE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW.
WE TRIED TO, AND, AND, UM, WELL, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OTHER PROPOSAL BY ANYBODY.
I'VE HAD TO ASK FOR OPEN DISCUSSION JUST FOR WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IN IT.
JUST, JUST A GENERAL WORKING MEETING WHERE WE CAN JUST HAVE THIS GENERAL DISCUSSION TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
THEN THAT'S BEEN DENIED ANY OF THOSE GUYS.
YES, RICHARD, I GUESS IT'S MY TURN, RIGHT.
UM, BEFORE I GO ON TO MY PREPARED QUESTIONS AND NOTES, I, THERE WAS A FEW THAT CAME UP HERE.
UM, RYAN, JERRY, UM, THESE ARE A LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE POINTED TO YOU GUYS.
UM, FIRST, I'LL START WITH BRIAN, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC WAS JUST NOTIFIED OF THIS, UH, ITEM, UH, FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
IS THERE A RUSH FOR COUNCIL TO PASS THIS TONIGHT? THAT WOULD BE COUNCILS.
THAT WOULD BE COUNCILS DECISION.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
AND YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT HAS READ THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, HAVE THEY TOLD YOU OF ANY TYPE OF RUSH OR EXPEDITED PROCESS THEY NEED, THEY WOULD LIKE TO START THIS PROCESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN TRANSFER THEIR, BUILD A CREW FROM THE BROAD REACH TAYLORSVILLE TROY PROJECT TO DISLOCATION ONCE THEY ARE DONE CONSTRUCTING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.
SO IF THEY WANT TO START THIS PROCESS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, WHAT IS THE NEED OF SECTION 4.1, ONE AND TWO? WHY YOU PULL THAT UP HERE? IF I READ SECTION 4.11 THOROUGHLY, UM, THIS, UM, THIS SECTION ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO HOLD AN OPTION ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL MAY 24TH, 2023, AND DO NOTHING WITH AN OPTION TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING AS OF MAY 23RD, 2023 AND GET A REFUND OF THEIR, UM, DEPOSIT.
SO IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO START SOON, I SAY, WE TAKE THAT SECTION OUT.
IF NOT, I SAY WE PASS THIS ON TO A SECOND READING, I CAN SAY THAT THE AGREEMENT IN AND OF ITSELF PROVIDES PROTECTIONS FOR BOTH PARTIES.
AND THAT'S A SINGLE, A SINGLE OUT ONE PARTICULAR PROVISION DOES NOT, DOES NOT INVALIDATE OR DOES NOT, DOES NOT PROVIDE THE WHOLE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE AGREEMENT ALSO PROTECTS AND DEFENDS THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY.
AND I WANT TO PUT A PIN IN THAT, CAUSE I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT ONE COMING.
SO NOT TO TOUCH ON THAT ONE SECTION, LET'S GO TO ANOTHER SECTION 4.12.
THIS STATES THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN HOLD AN OPTION ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL JANUARY 23RD, 2023, AND STILL GET A $20,000 RETURN ON THE DEPOSIT AND NOT A SINGLE THING HAPPENED.
AND AM I, AM I CORRECT? AND THE, THOSE TWO REVIEWS OF THOSE TWO SECTIONS TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE PROVIDED THAT THE CITY
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COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THAT OPTION.WELL, THE, THE RE THAT OPTION IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WE WOULD BE APPROVING THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE IT STATES THE EFFECTIVE DATE TIED TO THE RESOLUTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE AGREEMENT IS THAT TO REQUEST THOSE EXTENSIONS ARE NOT THOSE EXTENSIONS ARE NOT AUTOMATIC.
THOSE EXTENSIONS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNTY 4.12 SAYS, THERE, THERE IS NO EXTENSION THAT IS NEEDED.
SECTION 4.1, ONE ALLOWS TO 60 DAY EXTENSIONS, UM, WITH PROVIDING DEPOSITS OF $10,000 EACH, WHICH THEN CAN STILL BE RETURNED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
NOT, NOT THE TWO EXTENSION DEPOSITS THE INITIAL $20,000 DEPOSIT.
AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT DISAGREEMENT IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE FINAL AGREEMENT.
IT'S THE REQUEST IS TO NEGOTIATE AND FINALIZE.
THIS AGREEMENTS WAS STANLEY ON THESE TERMS, BUT FROM MY, AND I APOLOGIZE, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT BY SIGHT.
SO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO CLOSE.
THAT'S WHAT THE $20,000 DEPOSIT IS FOR.
IF, FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE NOT READY TO CLOSE, THEY CAN EXTEND IT FOR 60 DAYS WITH THE $10,000 DEPOSIT, WHICH IS NON-REFUNDABLE MEANING IF THEY DON'T CLOSE THAT'S US AND EACH TIME THEY DO THAT, IT'S A NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT.
AND I THINK IT'S THE LAST ONE IS A $20,000.
SO IN SECTION 4.1, ONE AT STATES, AND I'LL READ VERBATIM, IT STATES IN THE EVENT THAT CLOSING DATE HAS NOT OCCURRED OR BEEN SCHEDULED OR ON BEFORE THE DATE, WHICH IS 12 MONTHS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
SO IT ALREADY ESTABLISHES THE TIMELINE.
SO THAT MEANS THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO CLOSE.
THERE ARE OKAY, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO TIMELINES WITHIN THE AGREEMENT.
ONE IS THE CONDITION TO CLOSE RIGHT NOW AT THE INTERRUPT HERE.
THE REASON I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE THESE TIMELINES AND THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WAS NOT IN YOUR PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE ARE, AS THE T EXCUSE ME, THERE IS THE TIMELINE TO MEET THE CONDITIONS TO CLOSE.
AND THEN THERE IS THE TIMELINE FOR CLOSING AND THEY ARE NOT ONE IN THE SAME.
AND SO THE PENALTIES OF THE FINANCIAL PENALTIES RELATE TO CONDITIONS OF CLOSE.
THE ACTUAL TIMELINE TO CLOSE IS SECONDARY TO THAT.
SO, UM, SO THE CITY'S INTEREST WITH RESPECT TO THE FINANCES OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MET AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE THE APPROVALS THAT THEY NEEDED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD TO CLOSE.
SO THERE IS A, WE'LL CALL IT A PENALTY TO THE DEVELOPER BASED ON THE CONTENT OF YOU, THE TOTAL CONTENT OF THE AGREEMENT RELATIVE TO MEETING THE CONDITIONS OF CLOSE, RELATIVE TO CLOSE.
AND THAT'S NOT DISSIMILAR TO OUR AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE LIBRARY THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HORIZON LINE OR WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BRIAN, BUT YOU STATED JUST MOMENTS AGO, I ASKED IF THERE WAS A RUSH, YOU SAID THEY WANT TO START IMMEDIATELY, BUT IF THEY WANT TO START IMMEDIATELY, WE GOT TWO PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT GIVE THEM EITHER A DATE, UH, TO CLOSE, UM, OF JANUARY OF 20, 23 OR A FUTURE DATE OPTION OF MAY 24TH, 2023.
MR. SHAW, I BELIEVE MY COMMENTS ON THE DEVELOPER WERE THAT THEY WISHED TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THAT DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY NEED TO START WHERE THEY DEMAND TO START.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEIR WISH WAS TO COORDINATE ONE BUILDING CREW AT ONE SIDE AND TRANSITIONING THEM TO THIS SITE.
HOWEVER, I'M QUITE CONFIDENT THAT IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO TABLE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TONIGHT AND VISITED AT ANOTHER MEETING THAT WOULD NOT INVALIDATE THEIR DESIRE TO COME BACK AND BUILD TWO WEEKS LATER OR FOUR WEEKS LATER, OR SIX MONTHS LATER, IF THAT WERE THE TIMEFRAME IT TOOK FOR COUNCIL TO PASS THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS HAD, UM, UH, JUST A FEW DAYS TO REVIEW THIS AS WELL AS, UH, THIRD PARTIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE SITE AS WELL AS EXISTING BUSINESS OWNERS.
UM, MY, MY ADDITIONAL WOULD BE, UH, TO REMOVE TWO SECTIONS, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S A, A PENALTY TO THE DEVELOPER MORE THAN A PENALTY TO THE CITY.
IF THAT DEVELOPER IS HOLDING ON THAT LAND FOR A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, AND THEY'RE GETTING PENALIZED $20,000, BUT THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS ARE GETTING PENALIZED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MARKET THAT PROPERTY.
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WELL, SIR, THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A VOTE AND I DO NOT.SO, UM, ADDITIONALLY, I WILL STATE, UM, OR ASK MY APOLOGIES, UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE PROVIDED SHOWS A DATE OF 2021.
UH, CAN I ASK WHEN STAFF STARTED WORKING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND YOU MENTIONED CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM STARTED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN THE DIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STARTED, WE EXCHANGED PROPOSAL.
I THINK THE INITIAL PROPOSAL CAME IN MAYBE RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO WITH THAT CONTEXT, AND LET ME GO BACK HERE, WHEN I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 26 OF EXHIBIT A 25 OF THE AGREEMENT, UM, CAN YOU, UH, TELL ME WHO ARE THE INDIVIDUALS OR THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO PROVIDED COMMENTS IN THE MARKET MARGIN CB ONE, DF TWO R ONE AND CBR, I'M SORRY.
CB THREE ARE ONE THAT APPEARED TO BE NEGOTIATION EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
SO MY, I AM COMMENTS CB AND D F IS DOUG FALER, WHO IS ONE OF THE AGENTS OF THE INTERESTED, UH, INTERESTED PARTY OF THE DEVELOPER.
DO WE KNOW WHO THE THIRD INDIVIDUAL IS? THAT'S THE THIRD, I'M SORRY.
THE THIRD INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE, THERE SHOULD BE NO.
UH, THE BLUE COMMENTS IN THE AGREEMENT ARE MINE AND THE RED COMMENTS ARE MR. FAILURE.
CAUSE WORD, IDENTIFY THOSE AS THREE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.
UH, SINCE THAT IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY I HAVE NOTED IN SECTION 5.2, IT MENTIONED 150 TEMPORARY JOBS, UH, WILL BE PROVIDED, UH, WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT THIS IS A CONCEPT, NOT A SET IN STONE PROJECT.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCLOSE WHAT THE 150 TEMPORARY JOBS ARE BEING PROVIDED? I'M, I'M NOT, I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT COUNCIL'S ASKED TO VOTE ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE THERE'S A DETAILED ITEM IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE CONTEXT TO, TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND THAT WOULD GO TO ADDITIONAL SECTION 5.2 AND THE FIVE PERMANENT JOBS.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS OF THE, UH, ALLEGED, UH, $13 MILLION THAT WOULD GO TO THE SCHOOL, UH, THAT WE PROVIDED AND NO CALCULATIONS.
WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, MR. SHAW, THOSE JOBS WOULD HAVE TO BE VALIDATED BY THE DEVELOPER WITH RESPECT TO DISAGREEMENT.
AND THE WAY THAT THESE AGREEMENTS COME TOGETHER IS IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THERE IS THE CRA AND THE CRA IS TIED TO EMPLOYMENT AS WELL AS INVESTMENT DOLLARS.
SO WHILE THE AGREEMENT MIGHT SAY 150 JOBS, AND THE DEVELOPER CAN ONLY PRODUCE DOCUMENTATION, THAT THEY'RE 70 JOBS, THEN THE CITY IS NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO AWARD THE CRA AND THE CONTENT OR THE CONTEXT IN WHICH, UH, THE AGREEMENT IS STRUCTURED BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T MEET THEIR PARTICULAR OBLIGATION.
AS I, AND PERHAPS, MAYBE I DIDN'T DO THE BEST JOB IN ARTICULATING THE FACT THAT THIS IS A LONG AND COMPLICATED PROCESS.
AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE AGREEMENTS INVOLVED THAT ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES ALONG THE WAY.
THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A MARATHON.
I THINK IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE AN ANALOGY AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T RUN A MARATHON WITHOUT TRAINING AND YOU DON'T COMPLETE A MARATHON WITH THE FIRST STEP YOU TAKE WHEN YOU CROSS THE START LINE, THIS IS THE START OF THE MARATHON THAT WILL LEAD TO THE END WIN OF A $40 MILLION MULTIFAMILY INVESTMENT COMPRISED OF 192 MARKET RATE UNITS AND 133 SENIOR UNITS.
THIS IS A PROCESS THAT TAKES TIME.
IT IS A PARTNERSHIP OF TRUST AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE STEPS ALONG THE WAY, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE STEPS.
AND SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL AGAIN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AT THE STATE OR AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, WHEN IT COMES TO VALIDATING INCENTIVE REQUIREMENTS AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHEN IT COMES TO VALIDATING, UH, INCENTIVE REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE INCENTIVE REQUIREMENT OBLIGATIONS CONTINUE FOR 15 YEARS, I AM HERE TO ADVANCE
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THE INTERESTS OF COUNSEL IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICY AND PROCEDURE AND LAW AND THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE AND LAW THAT WILL REQUIRE ME THAT I'M REQUIRED TO FILE IT TO ADVANCE.THIS PROJECT WILL ENSURE THAT THE CHECKS AND BALANCES EXIST AND ARE IN PLACE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE JOBS AND THE BENEFITS THAT THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
SO WITH THAT STATED, I KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES OF $40 MILLION.
UM, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT MARKET VALUATION PLAN THAT STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE, UH, UM, DUE DILIGENCE OF THAT ANALYSIS PROVIDED, UH, PRIOR TO WE DO NOT? SO BRIAN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY POSITION, I DON'T HAVE THE RESEARCH AVAILABLE TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT, TO GIVE TO MY BOSSES, THE RESIDENTS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS YES A PLAN, BUT I'VE GOT NO RESEARCH TO GO ON IT.
AND WHAT IF OF A 30 YEAR ITEM WHERE THE RESIDENTS STATED VERY CLEARLY OF WHAT THEY WANTED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE THOSE OPTIONS OR THOSE ITEMS THERE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON, UH, IN SECTION ONE, HOMESTEAD 55 PLUS IN SECTION TWO HOMESTEAD APARTMENTS, THE COMBINED NUMBER OF THE UNITS ARE 325 WITH A TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES OF 454.
CAN I ASK HOW THAT WAS INITIALLY CALCULATED? AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE, DON'T SAY IT'S A CONCEPT.
AND AGAIN, MR. SHAW, THIS HAS TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND EVALUATION, WHERE ALL OF THESE ISSUES WILL BE IRONED OUT IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RETURNED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, AND THEN SENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHATEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINED TO BE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WILL BE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
SO LET'S, I GUESS, LET ME MOVE ON AND TOUCH ON THE, UH, THE CRA AND THE, UH, THE TIF HERE AS WELL.
UM, I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS A LITTLE INTERESTED IN JERRY.
THIS MAY GO TO YOU, UH, UNDER ARTICLE THREE REPRESENTATION, UH, REPRESENTATIONS AND COVENANTS OF THE PARTIES IN SECTION G, UM, IS THAT STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE USE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW THAT, UH, ARTICLE THREE, UM, COVENANTS OF PARTIES, SECTION E ANGIE, ACTUALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION 3.3 0.1.
YOU SAID E N G E N G S E 3.2 EVE IS THERE'S NO LITIGATION PENDING OR THREATENED.
THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, CORRECT.
LET'S LET'S JUST, THAT IS STRAIGHT AWAY.
SO JERRY, WELL, LET ME ASK SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT HERE.
ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PULLED UP HERE NOW ON SECTION E G IS ALSO STANDARD WITH RESPECT TO THE OHIO REVISED CODE 35 17, 13, THAT NO MEMBERS HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH.
UH, SO IF COUNCIL WAS TO PASS THIS TONIGHT, WE WOULD BE STATING THAT THERE IS NO LITIGATION PENDING OR THREATENED AGAINST, OR BY WHEREIN UNFAVORABLE RULINGS OR DECISIONS WOULDN'T MATERIALLY ADVERSELY AFFECT ITS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT.
SO YOU AS A LAW DIRECTOR, UM, UH, UNTIL A VOTE TAKES PLACE ARE STATING THAT WE HAVE NO LITIGATION PENDING OR THREATENING ON THIS MATTER, IS THAT CORRECT? NO LITIGATION THAT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THE CIVILIAN.
AND SECTION G UM, IT MENTIONS A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES AND, UH, MEMBERS OF, UH, BOTH PARTIES YOU'RE STATING THAT THAT IS ALSO, UM, A PART OF STANDARD LANGUAGE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THIS IS NOT OUR REPRESENTATION, OUR REPRESENTATION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING THAT THEY HAVE NON MEMBERS? THEY HAVE NO,
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THAT THEY, THEY ARE SAYING THAT EACH OF THEIR MEMBERS TO THE BEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND THEIR SPOUSE AND ANY POLITICAL COMMITTEE THAT THEY'RE AFFILIATED WITH IS NOT, UH, WOULD NOT RUN INTO A VIOLATION OF OHIO REVISED CODE 35, 17, 13 AFFILIATED IN WHAT MANNER THAT TH THAT NONE OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT A PART OF ANY TYPE OF POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING, OKAY.
AND I GUESS, BRIAN, CAN WE TOUCH BASE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, UH, ON THIS, UH, CRA AND TIF? UM, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A, UH, 50% OVER 15 YEARS OF THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ENTIRE SITE.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE MONETARY VALUE OF THAT IS? I DON'T THINK IT WAS QUITE SPELLED OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE CRA YES, THE CRA WILL GENERATE TO THE CITY.
IN THE FIRST 15 YEARS, IT WILL GENERATE 2.36 MILLION TO THOSE PARTIES EXCLUSIVE OF THE CITY.
IT WILL GENERATE 5.65 MILLION.
UM, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD TALKED TO EARLIER AND I THINK IT WAS A RESIDENT AND WHO BROUGHT THIS UP OF THOUGHTFUL GROWTH.
UH, AND I'M GOING TO ALSO ADD IN THERE FORCED GROWTH.
IT WAS, UH, IT WAS COMMENTS THAT I RECALL IN THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, UM, THAT, UM, FORCED GROWTH IS WHAT WILL DESTROY, UM, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND RETAIL, UM, THOUGHTFUL GROWTH.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS GENERATIONAL.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERM RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, AND THAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENTS, UM, THAT WAS SET FORTH WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, THE CITY RESIDENTS IN THIS, UH, CITY COUNCIL, THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED AND SUPPORTED THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN.
I WAS, I JUST COME TO FIND OUT THIS MORNING THAT EVEN OUR OWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, WHO WE JUST BECAME MEMBERS WITH AGAIN, AFTER, UM, AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION WAS, WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THIS.
AND THEY WERE A KEY COMPONENT IN THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE SCHEDULED A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY TO DISCUSS THIS, AND I, FOR ONE, WOULDN'T REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK SINCE WE'RE A MAIN MEMBER OF THEM.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF AREA BUSINESSES AROUND THERE, INCLUDING, UH, ERIC KNOWLTON AT THE HUBRIS CENTER, UH, AND THE OWNER OF LATINOS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THEY, UM, THEY SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE INSIGHT TO THIS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THEY DID CHIME IN ON THAT, UH, INITIAL STUDY, UM, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT HAS BENEFICIAL TO THOSE AREAS OF BUSINESS.
UM, I KNOW, UH, MYSELF AND MR OTTER JUST WENT TO A WILEY'S THIS WEEKEND.
AND, UH, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I WONDER, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE, THE, UH, GROWTH OF BUSINESS ALONG BRENT PIKE, THE, THE NEW FACADE, UH, THE UPDATES OF BUSINESSES, IF WE HAVE SUCH A, A LOW INCOME OF RESIDENCE AND A LOW TURNOUT OF RESIDENTS, MAN, IT SURE SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AROUND THERE TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND REALLY KEEPING THEM UP AND, UH, AND IMPROVING THEM.
UM, I MEAN, I BELIEVE WE JUST HAD A, AT THE OLD, UM, UH, SEIZE PIZZA, DOUBLE DEUCE, A NEW GAS STATION, UH, UH, OPEN UP THERE.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY WAS INVOLVED IN THAT AT ALL, AGAIN, THAT, UH, THAT I'LL GO BACK TO, UH, THAT WAS THOUGHTFUL GROWTH BECAUSE IT WASN'T A SITUATION THAT WAS FORCED UPON.
UM, WE SAID EARLIER, WHY HASN'T THIS HAPPENED? WELL, I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS IN 2014 AND 2015, BECAUSE THIS CITY WILL NOT HIRE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, NOT A COORDINATOR, NOT A TITLE.
AND I, AND I FEEL BAD FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE HE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.
I THOUGHT HE DID GREAT WORK, BUT WE NEVER HAVE HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CHARGED WITH DOING THIS JOB, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LEHMAN FARM, WE WENT OUT AND WE SAID, HEY, SB, FRIEDMAN, GIVE US SOME INFORMATION.
THIS COUNCIL LISTENED TO ABOUT, I'M GOING TO SAY 30 TO 40% OF THAT INFORMATION.
IN MY OPINION, IF THE DEVELOPER REALLY
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READ THROUGH THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, I HAVE TO AGREE IN SEVERAL PARTS WITH MR. OTTO, THEY MISS THE WALKABILITY.ADDITIONALLY, THIS COUNCIL AT THE HELM OF NOT THE PAST CITY MANAGER, BUT THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE THEM.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A FEW HERE LATELY.
UM, WE PASSED AN OVERLAY PLAN FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL AND THE BOTTOM RESIDENTIAL ON TOP, AND A LOT OF OTHER WONDERFUL INVENTIVE THINGS FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AND IT IS NOT IN THIS PLAN AT ALL.
SO THIS COUNCIL WASTED A BOATLOAD OF TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, PASSING LEGISLATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN USING.
WE CAN, WE, WE CREATED A WHOLE ZONING, UH, OVERLAY THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN USING THAT HAS SHOWN.
AND BRIAN, I'LL GO BACK TO YOUR, YOUR, UM, RESEARCH.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE MARKETS OF CINCINNATI COLUMBUS, EVEN IN THE SUBURBS OF THOSE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THE WAY THAT THE SMALL NICHE MOM POP STORES AND EVEN THE REGIONAL FRANCHISES ARE MOVING INTO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AS RE AND YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FORUMS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOUR LOCAL REGIONAL STORES IN THERE AT ALL.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE THAT SOLID PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DATE AND DEVELOPMENT COALITION AND MVR PC, AND WE HAVE A SOLID PLAN, THAT IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.
AND IT IS MY OPINION THAT IF WE PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY WANT, AND WE TELL THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP EVERY DOLLAR OF THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE EXACT THING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THE WALKABILITY, THE DOWNTOWN, THAT PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT FOR YEARS.
THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU GAVE ME WHAT I WANT.
YOU GOT RID OF THAT 48 YEAR OLD EYESORE, BUT YOU GAVE ME WHAT I WANTED, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT MYSELF AND MS AND MS. KITCHEN AND MR. OTTO SPOKE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BEHIND THE STREETS.
THERE ARE VERY ADAMANT, NO APARTMENTS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, JERRY, WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT ACREAGE FROM PREMIERE, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT WAS DONE, CORRECT.
IN THAT PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN ANY, UM, DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT, PART OF THAT AGREEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL PASSED, UM, BY LEGISLATION THE SALE FROM PREMIERE? YEAH.
WHEN WE PURCHASED, THERE WAS EXPRESSED DEEP CONDITIONS.
BRIAN, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR THAT PARCEL? WHERE ALL THOSE WERE, WE PURCHASED THEM FROM HERE.
THE, UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS INCLUDE, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES.
THEY INCLUDE LIGHTER, LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES NON-COMPETITIVE MEDICAL USES WITH THE, UH, PREMIER, UM, THE PREMIER GROUP.
AND, UM, W WE'LL CALL THEM, UH, DARE ELECTOR, UH, PERVASIVE USES, UM, SUCH AS TATTOO PARLORS, MARIJUANA SALE.
DISPENSARY'S THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE, OR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT WAS A INDIRECT COMPETITION WITH PREMIER HEALTH, THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, CORRECT.
RESIDENTIAL UNITS, MULTIFAMILY IS, IS AN APPROVED USE OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL PASSED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE WAY IT SAID LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
AND THE STUDY POINT BLANK SAYS THAT WE NEED TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE TO INCREASE THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VALUE ALONG THE BRAND PIKE CORRIDOR.
SO THERE'S THERE, AREN'T A WHOLE, WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION.
RICHARD, I'M PASSIONATE AS YOU ARE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE, I HAPPENED, YOU MAY TEND TO THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE THAT SAID, I'M OKAY WITH YOU GUYS LOSING SOME OF MY MONEY, AS LONG AS YOU GET WHAT I WANT, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT US TO LOSE THEIR MONEY, WHO WANT TO SEE INVESTMENT.
WE WANTED TO SEE A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
SO THIS COUNCIL CONTINUED TO DO THE EXACT TYPE OF VITALIZATION THAT THE BRENT PIKE CORRIDOR LAYS OUT.
MARY, I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT YOU SAID THE COURT, NOT THE MARION THAT WAS
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PROPERTY IN THE MARION MEADOWS PROPERTY IS A SPECIFIC PIECE OF THE BRENT PIKE CORRIDOR.AND THAT IS WHERE, THAT IS WHERE THIS COUNCIL AGREED TO START.
WHEN WE PURCHASED MARION MEADOWS, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PREMIER HEALTH PROPERTY, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE CRD AND PROPERTY.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PAST EIGHT TO ZERO WITH FULL SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL, AND WE BOUGHT PREMIER HEALTH PROPERTY IN, THERE WAS THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT CALLED OUT RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY IS PART OF THAT.
NONCOMPETING NON-COMPETITION WITH THEM.
SO THAT WAS IN THERE THAT WAS ALL READILY AVAILABLE.
AND THIS COUNCIL STILL PASSED IT TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY EIGHT TO ZERO.
I WOULD REVERT BACK YOU BACK TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT CONVERSATION THAT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER HAD THAT SAID THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WAS AN APPROVED ITEM THAT WAS RESEARCHED PRIOR BY THE LEGAL COUNSEL THAT STATED THAT THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO BACK AND READ THOSE MINUTES.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE.
THEN I WOULD SAY THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN LOSING TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS PROJECT.
I, I WOULD QUESTION IF THE ORDINANCE PROVIDED BY THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND REVIEW IT TO LAW DIRECTOR AT THE TIME WAS ACCURATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS GOING TO BE, WE CREATE, WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS INVOLVED IN THAT.
WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ON THAT.
SO I WOULD HATE TO S TO, TO TELL EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA, IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT, HEY, WE PASSED THIS.
WE SAID THE INFORMATION WAS VALID AT THIS TIME, BUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEAN OUR NARRATIVE, NOT TODAY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A NARRATIVE THING.
IT'S, IT'S A DEEP RESTRICTION.
THE STUDY SAYS REDUCED RETAIL SPACE AND RESIDENTIAL, AND NON-COMPETITION OF A PREMIERE PRODUCT.
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE FLOOR TO SPEAK.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ANY SURPRISE TO, UH, YOURSELF, UH, MANY SITTING ON THIS DYESS AND SOME SIT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT.
UM, IF IT IS PASSED TO A SECOND READING, UM, I WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY'S INPUT FROM THIS.
UM, I HAD ABOUT A 55 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO HAD TOLD ME HE'S IN CONTACT WITH THE BOARD PRESIDENT AND THEY HAVE SCHEDULED A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY TO DISCUSS THIS VERY TOPIC.
UM, AND, UM, ADDITIONALLY I THINK, UH, UM, THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO SIGNED, UH, A MULTITUDE OF PETITION LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, I HAD, I TOLD TONY BEFORE THIS MEETING, I HAVE, UH, ROUGHLY, UH, SIX PLUS EMAILS OF OPPOSITION, UH, THAT I'M GOING TO BE SENDING TO HIM, UH, FOR, FOR PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, RICHARD, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, A LONG LIST OF ITEMS WHERE YOU COPIED AND PASTED ASKING PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SHOW THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS.
DID YOU ALSO COPY AND PASTE THAT AND ASK PEOPLE TO COME OUT WHO ACTUALLY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL? OR WERE YOU JUST TRYING TO FILL YOUR NARRATIVE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA? UH, NO POINT IN TIME THAT I, UM, STATE MY OPINION, I PROVIDED FACTS THAT, BUT ALL THE ONES THAT I SEEN YOU ASK TO COME IN AND SHOW YOUR TO COME TONIGHT AND SPEAK.
WE'RE ALL PEOPLE WHO REFERENCED THIS IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT.
I, THERE WASN'T ANY THAT I SAW WHERE YOU POSTED ASKING SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN FAVOR, RUTH SHOWED SUPPORT.
THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT WHO SHOWED SUPPORT.
WE HAVE SOME EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO, MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE EMAILS I'M GOING TO BE SENDING TO TONY IS IN SUPPORT.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NARRATIVE, LET'S JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THE NARRATIVES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO BE PROVIDING SUPPORT.
WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST WEEK TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THIS AND TO DISCUSS THIS AND GO OVER A LOT OF THESE DETAILS.
AND I'VE WALKED OUT OF THE MESS ROW CHOSEN.
I WALKED OUT OF THAT BECAUSE THREE SLIDES IN, AFTER HAVING A PREVIOUS 40 MINUTE CONVERSATION ON ITEM F AND G, AT THAT TIME WAS A COMPLETE WASTE OF OUR TIME.
WE WERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE BOUGHT HIM TO GO, AND THEN YOU CHOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR JERRY AS WE WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, IT WAS NOTED THAT WE HAD TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE A PERSON'S INTEREST, PRIVATE INTEREST, UM, WOULD OVERWEIGH OR BENEFIT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST.
UM, CAN I ASK WHERE THAT WAS? YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT'S AT TONIGHT AND WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER THAT TOPIC VALID? YES, WE HAD, WHEN WE WENT INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, AS WE MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO CHOICES.
WE COULD GO INTO, UM, PUBLIC SALE OF THIS PROPERTY AND GO TO THE BEST BIDDER, OR WE COULD ENTERTAIN, UH, AN OFFER OR A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, WE HAD A VERY WELL WITHOUT GOING INTO DEPTH OF EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WAS DISCUSSED BRIEFLY.
UM, AND THEN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEGAN AND THEN ENDED PRETTY QUICKLY THEREAFTER.
I, I WAS JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT
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AS AN OPTION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS HERE TONIGHT, THAT EITHER WE APPROVED THIS DEVELOPMENT, OR WE CAN GO OUT AND HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, GIVING THE RESIDENTS WHAT THEY WANT OR GO TO PUBLIC SALE FOR THAT.BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS AN OPTION.
MA'AM AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE TIME.
I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND MY PASSION.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.
AND I CERTAINLY CAN, GLENN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT TO THE, THE MONEY DISCUSSION, THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROJECT WAS, IT WASN'T SOLD AS AN INVESTMENT.
IT WAS SOLD AS WE WERE CREATING A PLACE, A SPACE, A NEW PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY DIDN'T HAVE.
UM, WE CAN SPEAK TO RETURN ON INVESTMENT ALL DAY LONG, BUT, UM, WE'LL NOT GET A DOLLAR BACK FROM OUR VETERANS MEMORIAL, AND IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT STILL.
WE WON'T GET A DOLLAR BACK FROM THESE BICYCLE AMENITIES, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOOD INVESTMENTS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET MONEY BACK ON ANY OF THIS PARK SPACE OR ANY OF THESE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, MULTI HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PLAYGROUND PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE PUT IN, BUT IT'S STILL A GOOD INVESTMENT.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT DOLLARS.
IT'S ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN IT.
AND THESE PEOPLE CAME OUT FOR A SOLID YEAR, WALKED UP AND DOWN BRAND PIKE, PUT STICKERS ON PICTURES, GAVE THEIR COMMENTS, MATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A BIG THING AND PEOPLE SPOKE THEIR PIECE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED.
NOBODY EVER SAID, AS LONG AS WE GET OUR MONEY BACK, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT PURELY ABOUT THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT, BUT IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING AN AMENITY TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
OTHERWISE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, AN AQUATIC CENTER BECAUSE IT LOSES TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
UM, ANY, I CAN NAME A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT DOESN'T MAKE US MONEY.
IT COSTS MONEY, BUT WE NEED IT BECAUSE IT TAKES CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS PROJECT, NOT TO EXP JUST SIMPLY EXPAND OUR COMMUNITY BY CREATING, CREATING MORE HOUSING.
SO I JUST WANT THAT KNOW THAT THAT INVESTMENT RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS NOT ALWAYS, SHOULDN'T ALWAYS ANYWAY, BE MEASURED IN DOLLARS AND CENTS.
SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S MEASURED IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE AND THEIR WELLBEING.
AND ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THAT AREA OF TOWN WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THAT QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT TO SPOKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT HAVE SEEN IN THEIR BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT HER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING NOTHING BACK TO THE PEOPLE AGAIN ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, I CAN'T SAY, HEY, ANDY, LET'S GO DOWN TO THIS.
LET'S GO DOWN TO THE MEADOWS AND TAKE A WALK.
WHY, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? WHAT'S THE POINT, THE CLOSED LIBRARY, CLOSED TAX OFFICE.
MAYBE I WANT TO GO VISIT SOME PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS OR, UH, THERE, THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO DO THAT.
AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS PROJECT.
THE REASON THAT LASTS IS SO LONG, IT TOOK SO LONG AND IT TOOK SO MUCH INPUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS.
IT WAS ABOUT CREATING COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN HE SAID, LOOK, WE'RE BITING OFF A TON RIGHT HERE, GUYS.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF HE SAID IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IMPLIED.
WE COULD LOSE A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS.
CAN YOU GUYS STOMACH THAT? CAN YOU BRING THIS TO THE PEOPLE? AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
I CAN'T BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANT IT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY.
IT WAS ABOUT CREATING A SPACE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO CONGREGATE, SOCIALIZE, AND ENJOY THEMSELVES.
MA'AM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION ON SECOND, MR. ROGERS.
AND MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO THREE.
[13. City Official Reports and Comments]
CITY OFFICIAL REPORTS AND COMMENTS.ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? PROBABLY THE ONLY THING.
WHAT TOPIC ARE WE ON THE CITIZENS OR COMMENTS? CITY OFFICIAL REPORTS AND COMMENT.
I GOT TO SAY I'M WEARING MY BINGO'S TIGHT TODAY.
I'M GOING TO, UH, UH, BE HOPING FOR A WIN ON SUNDAY.
I LIKE TO, UH, SEE, UH, MINGLES, UH, GO TO THE SUPER WELL,
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I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.I JUST HOPE THAT IT'S NOT AGAINST THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS AS A, AS A PITTSBURGH FAN.
I'M GOING TO BACK THAT I'LL BE ROOTING FOR THE STEELERS, JUST CAUSE I WANT TO SEE IT COME HOME TO THE AFC NORTH.
IT'S BRINGING IT GUYS REPRESENT ANYTHING ELSE.
I DO HAVE ONE BRIEF COMMENT AND, UM, AND A WORD OF THANKS.
UH, THIS MORNING, MY WIFE AND I WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY.
IT WAS CALLED COFFEE WITH A COP AND, UH, UH, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, THERE WAS, UH, A GOOD NUMBER OF OUR HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS CHURCH OF GOD THIS MORNING, UH, COFFEE DONUTS, AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US TO ADDRESS COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO THE POLICE AND GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN OUR COMMENTS ANSWER.
UM, THEY HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF DOING THIS ON WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MONTHLY BASIS, BUT AT LEAST AN ONGOING BASIS VARYING THE TIMES LOCATIONS SO THAT ALL OF US CAN GET INVOLVED AND SIT DOWN AND GET TO KNOW OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
I CAN'T THANK THE HUBER HEIGHTS, POLICE ENOUGH, AND I WANT TO THANK THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CHURCH AND GOD FOR SPONSORING IT.
IF YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU WILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, PLEASE PROTECT, UH, PARTICIPATE IN IT BECAUSE I GAINED SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE TODAY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
AND AT 8 38, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.