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AND WELCOME TO THE CVB HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 18TH, 2022.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 2.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE, MRS. BURSCH MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS HERE, MRS. KITCHEN, MR. WEB MIRACLE, OR HERE? UH, JUST, UH, TO NOTE I KNOW, UM, MR. WEBB AND MS. KITCHEN HAVE BOTH, UH, SENT EMAILS AND LET ME KNOW THAT THEY'RE KIND OF BOTH ON THE WEATHER AND, UH, SO CERTAINLY, UM, IT'S A WORK SESSION, EXCUSES AREN'T NEEDED, BUT I WANTED TO RELAY THEIR EMAIL TO ME OF WHY THEY WEREN'T HERE THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, SO WE'LL JUST, WE'LL NOTE THAT FOR THE MINUTES.
UH, NOT THAT IT'S NECESSARY, BUT OKAY.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
SAID, UM, WE HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE FROM THE, UH, JANUARY 4TH WORK SESSION FROM 2022, AND THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR CORRECTIONS, THOSE WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]
THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.AND WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE, A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT WHO ALSO HAS A STANDING ITEM OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.
SO BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, THANKS, SIR.
UH, BASED ON THE, UH, ON THE FOCUS, THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL STICK TO THAT TOPIC TONIGHT FOR SEVERAL OF THESE POINTS.
UH, JUST WANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT THE RFP FOR THE WATER UTILITY INTEGRITY STUDY HAS BEEN RELEASED.
UM, WE LOOK FOR A COUNCIL TO BE AWARDING THAT, UH, PROJECT LATE FEBRUARY, UM, INQUIRIES REGARDING NEW NOTICE TAX, UH, FOR INCLUDING VOUCHERS HAVE BEEN MADE BY OUR FRIENDS OVER AT SUEZ, AND THEY CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT.
SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT, UH, WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, WE HAD FOUR WATER MAIN BREAKS REPORTED IN THROUGH, UH, TODAY WE HAVE SIX MAIN BREAKS, UH, REPORTED IN JANUARY, ALL 10 BREAKS DATING BACK TO DECEMBER 1ST ARE FREE STALL RELATED, BASED ON SUEZ ANALYSIS.
AND I WOULD NOTE THAT NO MAIN BREAKS HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN THE LINE TO AREAS OTHER THAN THE INITIAL TWO BREAKS WE SAW ON 11, 19 AND 1130.
SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ADDITIONAL BREAKS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THE ONE NON WATER, UH, ITEM I HAVE FOR COUNCIL IS PART OF THE REPORT DID WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT LANCER COURT IS CURRENTLY BEING DEMOLISHED.
THE DETACHED GARAGE SHOULD BE DOWN AS OF TODAY.
UH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE ITSELF IS STILL PENDING THE REMOVAL OF THE METER FROM VECTREN ENERGY.
SO THAT MAY BE A FEW MORE DAYS, BUT, UH, WORK IS ONGOING OVER AT THAT SITE.
HAVING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON ANY OTHER ITEMS, SIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND JERRY FOR ME, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ROUND AND ROUND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, ALL, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS BEEN A NUISANCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO, UM, THANKS FOR THE WORK THAT WENT ON THAT, UH, AND I'LL JUST TIE BACK TO THAT THE RIP RAP PROPERTY THAT WE HAD.
UH, SO JERRY, I KNOW MAN GETTING THAT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM TO GET THOSE THINGS, UH, THEY, IT WAS CRAZY, BUT YOU DID IT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, WE DON'T LOSE SUCH TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYMORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES, ED.
UH, BRIAN, THE SIX WATER MAIN BREAKS IN JANUARY, YOU SAID, ARE THOSE LOCATED IN, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE LINER THAT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THAT ARE, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? ARE THEY LOCATED IN THAT SAME AREA? WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT? WE'RE PLANNING ON REPLACING THE WATER MAIN OR IN OTHER, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR MAIN LOCATIONS WERE NOT DISCLOSED TO ME OTHER THAN THAT, THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE ALIGNED AREA, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, THANK YOU.
MA'AM UH, BRIAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, WOULD YOU SEND AN EMAIL AND JUST GIVE US A LOCATION FOR THOSE BREAKS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
WELL, WE'LL EVENTUALLY WORK WITH TONY AND GET SOME SOMETHING DONE HERE, BUT, UM, BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE AN, A, A UPDATE ON THE WATER LINING FINAL PAYMENT AND A BOND DISCUSSIONS THAT'S BEEN ONGOING AT THIS POINT IN TIME FROM THIS MORNING STAFF MEETING? THE CONSENSUS OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE VENDOR HAS PROVIDED, UM, THE APPROPRIATE BOND.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR REPORT, WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY, UM, SUEZ AND BY STAFF.
AND, UH, WE BELIEVE IS A FAIR REPORT, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE ITS CONTENT, UH, AND, UH, OUR POSITION TODAY WAS WE WOULD WITHHOLD FROM THE FINAL PAYMENT, OUR COST TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS ON THE 19TH AND THE 30TH AND PAY THE BALANCE AS WE NOW POSSESS THE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE
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BOND, NOT NEEDING THOSE NUMBERS HERE TODAY, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK, COULD COUNSEL GET THE NUMBERS IN AN EMAIL, UH, REGARDING THE COST OF REPAIR? YES.AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE WITHHELD AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE PAID.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
[ Bottled Water Collection, Storage and Distribution - Public Purpose]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH WAS THE BOTTLE OF WATER COLLECTION, STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE, RIGHT? THE KIND OF CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST.UH, WE WERE TOGETHER LAST TALKING ABOUT WAYS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE POTABLE WATER TO IMPACTED RESIDENTS FROM WATER MAIN BREAKS.
AND THROUGH THE COURSE OF THAT DISCUSSION, UH, COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL HAD BROUGHT UP UTILIZING VOUCHERS OR POTENTIALLY GIFT CARDS OR OTHER MEANS IN WHICH, UH, CITY FUNDS COULD BE EXPENDED TO PROVIDE POTABLE WATER TO THOSE RESIDENTS OR TO THOSE IMPACTED, UH, SERVICE, REGARDLESS OF WHICHEVER METHOD THAT COUNCIL WOULD CHOOSE A COUNCIL NEEDS TO ADOPT LEGISLATION TO DECLARE SUCH PURPOSE, UH, OF THE PUBLIC'S GOOD AND WELLBEING.
AND SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL, UH, ADOPT LEGISLATION, WHICH STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY ARE HAPPY TO PREPARE THAT WOULD INDICATE SUCH.
AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON FURTHER DIRECTION ON THAT.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA THAT WE HAD, UM, TWO, I THINK WHAT WE HAD TALKED ENOUGH ABOUT, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT IN A WATER MAIN BREAK.
THESE RESIDENTS CAN STILL TAKE SHOWERS, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE GOING TO COOK WITH THE WATER.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS A BOIL ADVISORY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE COOKING WITH THE WATER THERE, IF THEY'RE BOILING IT CERTAINLY THAT'S GOING TO HELP.
UM, BUT THE ISSUE I THINK THAT WE HAD TALKED TO MOM WAS WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE HAD, UH, SENIORS, I THINK WE HAD A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS THAT MS. KITCHENER BROUGHT UP WHERE WE HAD SENIOR CITIZENS WHO, UH, EITHER STRUGGLED OR DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF WATER TO DRINK OR POTABLE WATER.
SO THIS WAS A, I THOUGHT A GOOD SOLUTION.
PETER'S AS BEING A PLACE THAT COULD HOLD THE WATER AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD MAINTAIN THEM TO ABOUT 30 CASES AT A TIME.
SO MY RECOLLECTION IS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IF AS THEY, AS THEIR STASH GOT DEPLETED, THEN WE COULD USE THIS PUBLIC PURPOSE MONEY TO PURCHASE THE WATER, HAVE IT THERE, UM, AND HAVE THEM USE IT, COLLECT FROM THAT, FROM THE VOUCHER SYSTEM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, HAVE LEGISLATION DECLARING THAT MONEY AS A, FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD FOR ALL THE PURPOSE AND ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE ON WITH DOING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THE CITY WHO DOESN'T HAVE DRINKING WATER.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE HAD EVEN SAID, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T GET WATER, UH, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TRANSPORTATION.
UM, WE ALL COLLECTIVELY CERTAINLY CAN, CAN HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS LONG AS WE GET NOTICE OF WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S CERTAINLY MY RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE MOVE ON? HE HAS PROVIDED AN OUTLINE FOR THE LEGISLATION ALREADY, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD TO PUT TOGETHER ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVES OUT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING.
WHAT WOULD BE THE BUDGET? CAN YOU SPEAK TO ME ABOUT THE BUDGET? LIKE WHAT WOULD THAT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO START WITH $500 AND SEE WHAT THAT GOES TO, WHERE IT TAKES TEXTING.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, UM, MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS LIKE A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THAT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD, WOULD GET USED, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET THEM KEEP COMING BACK AND COMING BACK AND COMING BACK AND WHATEVER WASN'T USED, THEN IT JUST, IT JUST WASN'T USED.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN BUY LOTS OF CASES OF WATER WITH A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO HELP REPLENISH WHAT THEY HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WITH EVERYBODY, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO GREG, I APPRECIATE BRINGING IT UP, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HAD IN MIND.
DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED THEM OUT OR DO WE NEED A SET OF CAP OR NOT TO EXCEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR JUST, I THINK THE PUBLIC PURPOSE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING TO COVER, NOT ONLY ARE YOU STOCKING THIS, UH, ST PETER'S PANTRY, BUT THAT HAVING IT, UH, MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ALSO FOR THE ONGOING VOUCHER PROGRAM, ONCE THAT'S INSTITUTED AS WELL.
THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR JARED.
IF WE NEED TO HAVE AN AMOUNT IN THERE, I THINK THIS IS JUST REALLY TO DECLARED A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
I THINK STAFF COULD EXPAND THE FUNDS FROM THE BUDGET, CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA EXCEED 25,000.
SO THIS IS DECLARED PUBLIC PURPOSE.
STAFF WILL DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT.
IF IT GOES OVER WHAT THEIR BUDGETED AMOUNT IS, THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
NO OBJECTIONS AGAINST THE MOVE INTO MONDAY.
[ Culture and Diversity Citizen Action Commission Update Presentation]
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A CULTURE AND DIVERSITY ASSISTANT ACTION COMMISSION UPDATE PRESENTATION.CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE CLICKER THERE FOR YOU? I GOT THAT PRESENTATION LOADED UP.
YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN IT ON, ON THE SIDE, OVER TO THE GREEN, AND THEN YOU CAN ADVANCE THROUGH THE SLIDES USING THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY LEANING OVER HERE.
SO PROBABLY WORKS BETTER IF YOU POINTED THAT WAY.
HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TONIGHT? I'M DOING PRETTY WELL PRETTY WELL.
I THINK SO I'M YOLANDA STEVENS, THE CHAIR OF THE UVEITIS CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION.
AND I'M HERE JUST TO GIVE, UM, COUNSELING UPDATE ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE PROGRESSED THROUGH AND DONE FOR 2021.
UM, SO AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS.
NOW WE HAVE ONE OPEN OPENING ON OUR COMMISSION, SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE.
SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE WORD FOR THAT.
BUT JUST THE REMINDER, THE COMMISSION WAS FOUNDED.
IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT OUR MISSION IS AND THAT'S TO ESTABLISH AN ACT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN THE FULL EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PERSONS, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, BECAUSE OF RACE, ETHNICITY, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION, RACISM, AND OTHER BIASES THROUGH EDUCATION, MEDIATION, POLICY LEGISLATION, AND COMPLAINT, REVIEW AND RESOLUTION.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HELPS US TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WE ARE HERE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND AS OUR COMMISSION FUNCTIONS, WE REALLY LOOK AT THE CITY AND LOOK AT THINGS HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
AND WE HAVE A DIVERSE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, OUR COMMISSION IS VERY DIVERSE AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THAT LENS, UM, AND THROUGH THE LENS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE ALSO ONGOING RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND REALLY TRYING TO INTEGRATE POLICIES, UM, COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, EDUCATION OUTREACH, THINGS THAT WILL HELP INCLUDE OUR RESIDENTS, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AND NOT PRODUCE ANY DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES.
SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HELPS US TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP CITY COUNCIL TO BE THE BEST TO MAKE OUR CITY THE BEST, MOST INCLUSIVE CITY.
AND WE DO THAT THROUGH PROVIDING SERVICES AND EDUCATION AND ENCOURAGING CIVIL RIGHTS AWARENESS, UM, THAT REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY FOUND IN THE CITY.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW IN OUR CITY.
AND, UM, MAYOR GORE SHARED WITH US WAS THAT YESTERDAY AT THE MLK EVENT, THAT WE'RE AT WHAT, 45,000 RESIDENTS, 43 5.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO LOVE 1500 PEOPLE SHY OF 45,000 RESIDENTS, RIGHT.
SO, WHICH IS AWESOME AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW.
SO ESPECIALLY IN OUR DIVERSE POPULATION.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THAT COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELCOME.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, FOR US, OF COURSE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING, WE HAVE FOUR COMMITTEES THAT ARE WORKING.
SO WE HAVE OUR ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, WHICH REALLY LOOKS AT ADVOCATING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE OUTREACH, WE REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO INVOLVE THEM IN, UM, EDUCATION AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL ENGAGE, UM, OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE HAVE REFORM, WHICH RIGHT NOW WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'LL ALSO BE LOOKING AT, UM, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN THE CITY AS WELL.
SO ADVOCACY, UM, AND THEIR OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES FOR THIS, FOR THE UNITY RALLY AND FOOD BAZAAR.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU REPORT FOR 2021, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT THIS IN THERE BECAUSE THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ACTIVITIES AND RALLIES THAT WE SPONSORED IN THE CITY IN SUPPORT OF THE FOOD BAZAAR, BECAUSE SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING AT THE FOOD BAZAAR.
SO WE BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO RALLY BEHIND THE BUSINESS.
SO OUR ADVOCACY COMMITTEE ALSO SPONSORED AN ANTI-RACISM UNITY REALITY FOR THE ASIAN-AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLANDER COMMUNITY ON MARCH THE 27TH IN SUPPORT OF OUR AAPI COMMUNITY INTO AGAIN, RALLY AND SUPPORT THEM AND TO BRING OUR CITY TOGETHER.
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A CELEBRATING BLACK LIVES, RALLY AND CANDLE LIGHT VIGIL ON MAY 25TH.AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD, UM, COMMUNITY, REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION FOR THAT.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE AND RECOGNITIONS OF THE BLACK LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN LOST AND CONTINUE TO BE LOST AND TO BRING LIGHT TO THAT AND TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THAT AS WELL.
SO WE HAD A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY OUTPOURING FOR THAT AS WELL.
OUR EDUCATION COMMITTEE, AS YOU KNOW, WE SPONSOR FOUR EDUCATIONAL FORUMS EVERY YEAR.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOSE QUARTERLY.
UM, IN OUR FIRST ONE WAS ONE OF, ONE OF, ONE OF THE, UM, EDUCATIONAL FORUMS THAT WE OFFER WAS UNDERSTANDING DIVERSITY TO CREATE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR REALLY PARTICIPATING AND FOR BEING INVOLVED WITH THE COMMISSION AND SUPPORTING THE ENDEAVORS THAT WE HAVE AND THE THINGS THAT WE WE PUT ON, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE LEADERSHIP AND YOU REALLY SET THE TONE, UM, AND FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THINGS I BELIEVE SINCE THE MESSAGE TO OUR CITY, THAT IT IS IMPORTANT AND THAT WE DO ALL NEED TO BE INVOLVED.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ALL OF YOU COMING OUT TO SUPPORT THESE ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS, BUT THIS WAS OUR FIRST ONE.
AND WE HAD, WE ALSO HOSTED THIS LIVE ON FACEBOOK.
I BELIEVE WE HAD ABOUT 25 PEOPLE WITH OUR EDUCATION FORUMS. WE'RE AVERAGING BETWEEN 20 AND 30 PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY 25 AND 30 PEOPLE AT OUR EDUCATION FORUMS. UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO OFFERING THESE ASPECT, BUT FACEBOOK ON FACEBOOK LIVE THROUGH OUR PAGE.
AND SO WE'RE GETTING QUITE A FEW VIEWS THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO REACH PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN THE ROOM, BUT THEY CAN STILL COME BACK AND WATCH.
WE ALSO HOSTED WIDE DECLARING PUBLIC DECLARING RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS MATTERS.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE IN OCTOBER AND WE HAVE THE PANELISTS THAT WE HAVE.
THEY COME FROM ZIP THAT THEY'RE VERY WELL-VERSED, UM, INDIVIDUALS AND THEY COME FROM RECOMMENDATIONS, EVEN RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE PEOPLE ON OUR PANELS, PLEASE LET US KNOW THAT, BUT WE TRY TO GET A PRETTY DIVERSE GROUP OF PANELISTS TO DISCUSS, UM, OUR TOPICS, BUT THIS BE BECOMING RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS WAS A VERY GREAT DISCUSSION.
WE HAD 39 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE THERE, AND IT WAS SO POPULAR.
I THINK THAT WE CONTINUE TO, WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE THAT, DO A SECOND PART TO THAT.
SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN JUNE.
THIS YEAR, OUR OUTREACH COMMITTEE, UM, HAS HOSTED A OR SPONSOR TO MIDDLE SCHOOL, BLACK HISTORY MONTH ESSAY CONTEST, AND OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, RESPONDENTS HAD TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE MOST INSPIRATIONAL AFRICAN-AMERICAN PERSON THAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS IN Y.
SO WE'VE BEEN, BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPERATIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY, AS WELL AS FOR THE COMMISSION.
I THINK FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR LEADERS, THEY'RE THE FUTURE LEADERS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING YOUR SEATS ONE DAY, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO PREPARE THEM AND WE HAVE TO GET THEM INVOLVED.
UM, AND SO THEY PARTICIPATED IN THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL, BLACK HISTORY MONTH ESSAY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET TEACHERS INVOLVED IN THAT, AND THEY GOT RALLIED STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UM, THIS ENDEAVOR AS WELL.
WE ALSO HAD ONE FOR HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH WAS FOCUSED ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, UM, DAY.
AND THEY HAD TO ANSWER THE TOPIC.
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN AMERICA AND WHAT CAN NON NATIVE STUDENTS FURTHER THE RESTORATION OF INDIGENOUS LIFE AND CULTURE THIS TIME WE INCREASED THE AWARD AMOUNT, UM, AND WE'VE NOT RECEIVED THE RESPONSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE SCHOOLS FROM THE STUDENTS.
SO WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY EVALUATING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO? I THINK THAT STUDENTS ARE MAYBE OVERWHELMED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEY HAVE TO WRITE JOBS, ALL TYPES OF THINGS.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING FOR, UM, JUST FEEDBACK AND THINGS THAT WE THINK WE CAN DO, OR YOU ALL MAY THINK, OR THE COMMUNITY THINKS THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO INVOLVE OUR YOUTH IN THIS PROCESS FOR 2021 IN JUNE LAST YEAR, WE HAD IT PLANNED FOR JUNE.
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THAT THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND VENDORS AND THINGS THAT WERE NOT PARTICIPATING, UM, AND EVENTS.
SO WE POSTPONED THAT AND WE WILL HOST THAT THIS YEAR, JUNE 29TH, Y'ALL FINGERS CROSSED.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL CULMINATE THAT CULTURAL FEST ON SATURDAY, JUNE THE 25TH.
AND WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A WEEK LONG, UM, OF EVENTS.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
OUR REFORM COMMITTEE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE, WE HAVE REALLY FORGED A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR, UM, HE'S BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE AND WORKING WITH US AND IDEAS AND LISTENING TO IDEAS.
AND OUT OF THAT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, THE REFORM COMMITTEE HAS BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THE NAACP EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE AND REALLY WORK WITH CHIEF TO LOOK AT HOW IS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS MEETING THOSE EIGHT POINTS AND WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? WE DO HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE TABLE TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT CITIZEN ACTION REVIEW BOARD TO REVIEW CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.
SO THAT IS ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE MOVED FOR THAT HAS COME OUT OF THE REFORM COMMITTEE.
UM, THEY HAVE REVIEWED ALL GENERAL ORDERS AND POLICIES AND MADE SURE THOSE ARE NOW POSTED ON THE HUBER HEIST WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC AWARENESS.
I THINK WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT THINGS EXIST, BUT RESIDENTS MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO FIND THEM.
SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, WORK TO KIND OF GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER TO MAKE THINGS MORE TRANSPARENT AND EASILY ASSESSABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CI'S TO POST POSITION OPENINGS WITH MINORITY PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLACK LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ONGOING.
I THINK WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AS WELL, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN INCRUSE CREASE OUR DIVERSITY RECRUITMENT NUMBERS AND WHAT AVENUES WE NEED TO TAKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON FOCUS ON.
AND JUST LAST WEEK WE HAD A FORM OF POLICING, UM, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, OUR VENDELA POLICE CHIEF WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, BUT HE WAS ILL.
SO HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.
I THINK WE HAD A REALLY GOOD FORUM.
WE HAD ABOUT 30 PEOPLE THERE, A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS, UM, CAME OUT OF THAT.
AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CHIEF ON, UM, ISSUES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD AND QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD AS TO HOW THE POLICE WERE HANDLING SUCH AS BODY CAMS, UM, POLICIES AROUND USING BODY CAMS, DIVERSITY INITIATIVES, UM, THE DIVERSITY NUMBERS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THAT POLICE REFORM, UM, FORUM.
SO VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE HAD HIM COME OUT AND EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
THOSE IN RED ARE STILL I'M SITTING WITH CITY COUNCIL, UM, JUST WAITING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THOSE THINGS.
WE MADE A RECOMMENDED NATION TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS NEW SEAL.
DALE WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN VICE MAYOR, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, FOR PROCLAMATION FOR HER ON THE TABLE.
WE HAVE THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT PROCESS RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE REFORM COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL, SO SAYING NO.
SO WE HAVE, KATIE IS OUR, UM, LIAISON TO THE BOARD.
SO I THINK ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD WITH THEM WOULD COME FROM KATIE THEN TO BRIAN, BRIAN WOULD INTRODUCE IT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN I THINK WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSION THAT WAY.
BUT SO I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT, SO WHEN I SEE THAT YOU'VE MADE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN THAT HASN'T WORKED ITS WAY HERE YET.
THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE STAFF LIAISON THROUGH THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN GETS INTRODUCED TO US SO IT CAN MAKE ITS WAY TO AN AGENDA.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A FORMAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT WE WERE GOING, IT WAS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE DECEMBER MEETING AGENDA AND WAS PUSHED.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT TIME? WELL, I THINK WE WERE TALKING IN TERMS OF ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I KNOW I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH BRIAN AND KATIE JUST, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING OUT A PROCESS FOR HOW THESE GET FILTERED.
UM, BUT MOST OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE REMAINED AT THE STAFF LEVEL AT THIS POINT, HAVE NOT BEEN FILTERED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FORMAL RECOMMENDATION YET.
SO, AND I WILL, I'LL CERTAINLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BRIAN AND WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT TO GET THOSE ONTO AN AGENDA WHERE WE HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT MARK.
COULD WE, UH, PLACE IT ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE
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THE, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS WE HAVE BEEN, WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE VOTE ON THOSE IN OUR COMMISSION MEETING, THEN THOSE ARE WRITTEN UP, FORMALLY WRITTEN UP AND WE SEND THOSE THROUGH, UM, KATIE AND TONY AND THESE WERE SUBMITTED IN JULY, UH, JULY, I BELIEVE, UM, MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN THAT, BUT AS I SAID, INITIALLY, WE WERE GOING TO, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE, I BELIEVE DECEMBER AGENDA.ONE OF THE LONG WHEN WE FIRST WERE LOOKING AT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, I CAN, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WEBSITE.
AND, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DECLARED, UM, RACISM ON PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, WE DID THOSE, THOSE WERE LISTS OF THERE THAT WE HAD HAD GONE THROUGH AND TAKEN CARE OF SOME, UM, I THINK THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE PROCLAMATION WAS ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO YEAH, SO, AND LOOSE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN FINISHED UP WITH, BUT I THINK THAT WHETHER THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE ON THAT OVERALL LIST THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF.
SO YEAH, W WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT ONES.
UM, SO THESE AGAIN WERE FROM JULY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAD ON THE TABLE WAS THAT CITIZEN COMPLAINT, PROCESS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION TO GATHER AND REPORT ON EEO DATA, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING FROM KATIE WITH THAT WAS BEING PUSHED THROUGH.
UM, AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION OF ADOPT A BLACK BUSINESS OF THE QUARTER THROUGH THE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE.
BRIAN, I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO, TO COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMISSION.
THERE WAS A, UM, THE COMMISSION HAS WORKED VERY HARD, UM, ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD WORKED ON WAS A, UH, RECOMMENDATION PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST SO MANY ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION WAS WORKING ON AND TRYING TO ADVANCE.
AND SO, UM, MY APOLOGIES TO THE COMMISSION INTO COUNCIL, IF THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE WHERE WE AS STAFF WORKED, UH, OR IT APPEARS THAT WE WEREN'T BRINGING FORWARD ITEMS, OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS PROCESS WAS, WAS IN PLACE.
AND, UM, WASN'T QUITE SURE WHERE I KNOW THAT THE PROCESS HAD BEEN DEFINED, BUT I WASN'T SURE YET WHERE THAT STOOD.
SO IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THINGS NOT COMING UP, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE BEING STAFF WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS POLICY HAD BEEN ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION, BUT YET I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT IT WAS BEING AN ACTED BY THE COMMISSION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO, UH, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING FORWARD WHATEVER WE NEED.
WE'VE DEVELOPED THE PROCESS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING.
SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT GLITCHES AND WE'LL JUST FIX IT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THESE.
SO THEY WON'T BE A SURPRISE WHEN YOU SEE THEM.
UM, AND THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR GORE WAS THE RESOLUTION DENOUNCING RACISM AND RECOGNIZING IT AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
THANK YOU TO THE CITY FOR THAT.
UM, ANOTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT AS THE WEBSITE AND REVISING THE WEBSITE WITH A DIVERSE EQUITY LENS, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT OUR OR THAT CAME OUT OF COUNCIL WAS OUR WEBSITE DID NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY FEEL OR IT DIDN'T HAVE REALLY, IT DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE LIFE, RIGHT? YEAH.
LIKE INTERACTIVE ENGAGEMENT HUMANS.
UM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING REVISED AT THE TIME.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT LIES NOW, HAVE WE, I KNOW THAT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A LEADERSHIP CHANGE AT THE TOP.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY BEEN SOMETHING ON EVERYONE'S PLATE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE, UM, I THINK OUR STAFF IS DOING, I WANT TO SAY, I THINK HE'S DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M NOT EVEN SURE OUR, OUR WEBSITE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS PERSON HAS BEEN OUT FOR MONTHS ON MEDICAL LEAVE AND JUST BEEN LOTS OF, LOTS OF THINGS.
SO YEAH, WE'RE WHERE THOSE GO.
I THINK WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PICKING UP THE SLACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THE WEBSITE.
THEY CAN JUST GO IN AND START MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
AND SARAH BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
SO YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO PICK UP AND DO BETTER AND FIX, BUT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
DO I UNDERSTAND READING THIS, THAT THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ABOUT A YEAR? YES.
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THESE ARE FROM FEBRUARY.WE HAD UPDATED IT'S I THINK THE THING IS TOO, WE HAD JUST WENT THROUGH A MAJOR WEBSITE OVERHAUL AND CHANGED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WEBSITE RIGHT BEFORE, PROBABLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THEN THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE.
OUR, OUR ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO THE WEBSITE UPDATE IS JUST IN THE CONDITION.
WE FIND OURSELVES AS A SOCIETY.
IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WE FIND LOTS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER, LET ALONE LOTS OF PEOPLE TOGETHER OF, YOU KNOW, DIVERSE REPRESENTATION TO PHOTOGRAPH, TO PUT ON THE WEBSITE.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ITEM THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADVANCE.
WE ARE AWARE THAT THAT IS STILL, UH, AN ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT BETWEEN, UH, SARAH'S, UM, SARAH'S WORK AVAILABILITY AS WELL AS OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
THAT IS WHY THAT REMAINS OUTSTANDING AT THIS TIME, BUT IT IS ON OUR LIST TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE TOOLS.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ENOUGH ANSWER.
CONCERN WHAT STAFF AND LEADERSHIP CHANGES THINGS HAVE GONE THROUGH UNDER COVID AND ALL THOSE.
I THINK, I MEAN, I'M NOT, AS LONG AS IT'S, THAT'S ON THE RADAR TO BE WORKED ON, I'M NOT UPSET OR MAD THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN FIXED YET.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
IT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP ON OUR RADAR BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THE WEBSITE IS A FIRST VISIT TO A COMMUNITY.
AND ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GROWING MORE, PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT NICE FACE OF HUBER IN WHAT WE REALLY REPRESENT, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE WILL ENTERTAIN COMING TO OUR COMPUTER, OUR COMMUNITY, CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
SO WE STILL HAVE THAT ONE ON THE TABLE.
UM, THE RED ONES ARE THOSE THAT, THAT WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY PURSUING, PROVIDING, UM, BIAS REPORTING PROCESS FOR CITIZENS TO VOICE CONCERNS AND SUBMIT COMPLAINTS THROUGH AN UNBIASED MEANS WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION THERE'S PROCESSING MEANS TO REPORT WILL BE VISIBLY PLACED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UM, AND THAT ONE'S PLACE TO READ.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE THAT, UM, KIND OF COINCIDES ALSO WITH THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AS WELL.
SO MAYBE AS WE LOOK AT THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS ONE AS WELL.
AGAIN, THESE ARE FROM FEBRUARY, I THINK SO ON, ON THE SYSTEMS REVIEW BOARD AND ON THE, UM, THE PROCESS FOR SUBMITTING COMPLAINTS, I THINK THAT, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE COMMISSION IS ASSUMED MOST OF THAT IS ALONG WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THOSE, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY HAS A COMPLAINT AGAINST MYSELF OR ANY, OR ANYONE ELSE, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE PROCESSES THAT, THAT THOSE GO THROUGH, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM A POLICE PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, THAT'S A CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, COUNSEL CAN'T, I, IN MY OPINION, CAN'T MAKE A UNILATERAL DECISION ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF REAL SERIOUS DISCUSSION WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THAT JUST AT THE LAST, UM, UH, REFORM COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE HAD.
AND I WAS VERY PLEASED, VERY HAPPY.
THE CHIEF WAS VERY OPEN TO DISCUSSING ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE, UM, WHAT THE CHIEF AND WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON HOW WE, ON HOW WE HANDLE WHAT THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE AND HOW THEY'RE HANDLED AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE ABOUT THAT.
UH, IS THERE ANOTHER CITY I KNOW DAYTON HAD JUST DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD EITHER BE MODELED, UM, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHAT ISSUES THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, THAT'S A PROCESS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
I DON'T, UH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL DOING ANY OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT REAL SERIOUS DISCUSSION FROM HIS COUNSEL, WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE ON HOW WE HANDLE THOSE THINGS.
AND BEFORE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE ARE EVEN REMOTELY QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES WITHOUT, WITHOUT INFORMATION FROM THE CHIEF.
I APPRECIATE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE AN UNBIASED REPORTING PROCESS, BUT I AM ALSO, IT WOULD BE, I WOULD NEED TO HEAR FROM THE UNIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR PROCESSES WERE FOLLOWING ALONG OR CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
I AM INTERESTED IN THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE.
FORWARD TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE DAYTON, UH, APPEAL BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND I BELIEVE HE SAID AT THAT FORUM THAT IT WAS A, UH, LIKE AN ADVISORY PANEL THAT MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK HE HAD ONE SPECIFIC ONE THAT HE POINTED TO IN THE CITY OF DAYTON.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THE DATE AND COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD APPEALS BOARD
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MADE A RECOMMENDATION.DO I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION AND I MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO FROM OCTOBER THAT WE SUBMITTED WAS A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE REFORM COMMITTEE, AFTER CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF LEITNER.
SO IT'S BEEN A PROCESS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM, THEY DEVELOPED THIS OUTLINE OF THIS RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE INPUT FROM CHIEF LEITNER.
AND SO YES, WE HAVE, WE DID THE REFORM COMMITTEE ACTUALLY BENCHMARKED OFF OF THE CITY OF DAYTON.
UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO OFTEN IN OUR COMMISSION, AS WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WORKING, HOW ARE THEY DOING XYZ AND KIND OF COMPARE AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO OUR CITY AND THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UH, THE DECISIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S A, UM, UH, AND THE INTERNAL PROCESS, UH, WOULD STILL GO FORWARD, IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE.
IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD STILL HAVE, UH, THEIR FINAL DECISION-MAKING ABILITY WOULD REST WITH THEM.
UM, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE WE HAVE NOT DELVED INTO BEFORE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I'M NOT HESITANT AT ALL, UH, TO LOOK INTO THIS, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PER SE, BECAUSE I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS SPOKE HIGHLY ABOUT OUR POLICE CHARMIN, UM, AND, AND THEIR ABILITY AND HOW, UH, HOW EXCELLENT THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB.
SO WITH THAT, THE POLICE, THE POLICE CHIEF SAID IN THE MEETING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS CAN BE VERY ADVERSARIAL, BUT WHEN HE SAT DOWN, I KNEW WHAT WAS IN THE HEART OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY OF CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE.
SO I, I HAD NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER ABOUT ANY ISSUES THEY MAY DISAGREE ON, BUT I KNEW THAT THEY WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD WITH WORKING TOGETHER AND IN THE POLICE CHIEF DID MENTION THAT WASN'T PROMPTED.
AND HE SAID HE WAS, UH, REALLY PLEASED WITH HOW WELL THEY WERE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER.
AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT INCIDENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, LET'S JUST SAY, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE INCIDENTS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF SAID ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, POLICE OFFICERS DO RECEIVE, HE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THAT AREA OF, WASN'T VERY NICE TO ME.
HE USED THE WORD DISCOURTEOUS.
I THINK THEY WERE JUST DISCOURTEOUS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THE COUNTER-ARGUMENT THAT, UH, THESE ARE WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED.
THESE ARE USUALLY PEOPLE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT HAVE BROKEN THE LAW.
SO HE DIDN'T EVEN DEFEND THAT PART OF IT.
UH, SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK IT IS PERFECT TIMING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REACTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE CITY FOR A GREAT POINT.
WE'RE HANDLING A SITUATION THAT IS ALMOST PERFECT, UH, IN OUR POLICE.
AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE, I THINK THE TIME TO ENACT THAT WHEN EVERYTHING'S GOING VERY WELL AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, WE'RE NOT REACTING.
AND WE LOOK AT THIS AND IF COUNCIL AGREES, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF THEY DON'T FIND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S HAVE THEIR POINT AND THEIR OPINION.
BUT I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO INSTITUTE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO, THIS IS A, AN ADVISORY.
THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STILL HAS THE FINAL DECISION.
AND THOSE ARE ALL GREAT POINTS.
AND I THINK MY CONCERN WASN'T THE, UH, MOVING ANY OF THIS FORWARD.
UM, IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHAT, BECAUSE AS THE POLICYMAKERS, IF THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A CITY POLICY, NOT JUST A RECOMMENDATION, AND THIS IS JUST A REVIEW BOARD, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE POLICY THAT'S PASSED BY LEGISLATION.
IT HAS TO BE ALL I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, AND IN NO WAY DID I WANT TO IMPLY, AND I APOLOGIZE IF, IF THAT WAS HOW YOU FELT, BUT AT NO TIME DID, I MEAN TO IMPLY THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
UH, I JUST, I HAVE NO CONCERNS GOING FORWARD, BUT THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE ROLE OF THE, IF IT IS AN ADVISORY BOARD, OR IS IT A RECOMMENDING BOARD, RIGHT.
AND THEN, AND THEN WHAT IS THAT
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BACK AND FORTH WITH THE POLICE CHIEF? AND THEN I THINK THAT, AND I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH, UM, HOW OPEN THE CHIEF WAS TO, TO WORKING.UM, ERIC IS THE, IS THE CHAIR OF THE, OF THE REFORM COMMITTEE.
SO I KNOW THAT RELATIONSHIP IS THERE, IT EXISTS, BUT ONCE WE TRANSFER, UM, IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND I, YOU KNOW, TO, TO POLICY WHERE WE'RE SETTING THE POLICY AS THE COUNCIL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THAT PROCESS IS AND WHAT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, UM, OF THE BOARD IS.
AND THEN CERTAINLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, BEHIND ALL THAT IS OKAY WITH THAT PROCESS AND HOW THAT, AND HOW THAT WORKS.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
AND I, I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE THAT DAYTON IMPLEMENTED THEIRS, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THIS WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN A MEETING OR TWO, AND WE'LL HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF HERE AND WE'LL KEEP THAT REVIEW ON COUNCIL TO DIGEST BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH YOU THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? YES, NANCY.
FORD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THAT THE, THAT THIS PROCESS IN NATAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT TO BEGIN WITH, WE NEED TO GET A COPY OF, UH, OF THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF THAT COMMITTEE, WHAT THEIR MISSIONS, THEIR, THEIR OBJECTIVES, UM, UH, ARE FOR THAT COMMISSION, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE TAILORED FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, USE IT AS A STARTING POINT.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN A FEW MEETINGS TO DO, BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE GET ROLLING ON IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY DID IMPLEMENT THEIR, UM, THEIR BOARD ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE DID.
IT WAS STARTED BY THE MAYOR THEN NAN WHALEY.
UM, AND SHE REALLY PUSHED IT OUT AND SHE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
UM, AND THEY HAVE DIFF SEPARATE FOCAL AREAS.
AND ONE OF THOSE AREAS IS REFORM AND THEY DO HAVE TIMELINE THEIR PROCESSES THAT THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONS, TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE COMMISSIONER HAS, I BELIEVE, 30 DAYS TO KIND OF REVIEW IT, UM, AND TO KICK IT BACK, IF THEY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR TO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE WITH IT OR DENY IT, BUT THEN COMMUNICATE WHY IT'S BEEN DENIED.
SO IT IS A VERY, UM, SOLIDIFIED PROCESS AND WHICH I SAID, WE'VE BEEN BENCHMARKING OFF OF THEM.
THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE, UM, AND WAS APPROVED AT OUR JULY.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS OUR JULY MEETING.
THE FORMER RECOMMENDATION AS IT WAS WRITTEN WAS, UM, THAT THE MEETING PARTICIPANTS, WHICH IS OUR REFORM OR COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THAT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD BE ESTABLISHED TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS SUBMITTED BY CITIZENS.
THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD WOULD FUNCTION SIMILAR TO THE NEW DATE AND CITY APPEAL BOARD.
AND THEN THIS RECOMMENDATION HAS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT, REVIEW BOARD, UM, AS WRITTEN BY OUR REFORM COMMITTEE.
SO IT IS, THEY DID A GOOD JOB AT KIND OF DOCUMENTING WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
SO I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER COPY OR MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET A COPY OF THAT.
UM, AND SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO MAYOR GORE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE THAT YOU WOULD HANDLE THIS RECOMMENDATION AND AN OPEN PUBLIC SESSION? WELL, THE POLICE CHIEF HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE DAYTON REVIEW BOARD LOOKS LIKE.
CAUSE, CAUSE SO AGAIN, I HEARD A FEW BOARD, THEN I HEAR ADVISORY BOARD, THOSE TIMES TWO DIFFERENT THINGS I WANT TO BE CLEAR OR WHAT, WHAT IT IS.
IT WAS A COMPLAINT COME IN AND YOU GUYS ARE REVIEWING THE BOARD.
DID YOU HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS OR IS IT, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT REVIEWING A COMPLAINT THAT HAPPENS AND YOU HAVE INPUT AND THAT'S BEING PASSED ALONG TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONE WHO IS INVESTIGATING, SORRY.
AND THEY'RE THE ONE THAT INVESTIGATING IT.
SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE, I JUST NEED CLARITY ON, ON WHAT THE, ON WHAT THE PROCESS, WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
SO AS A, ANOTHER ENTITY IN THE CITY, THAT'S ADVISING AND HELPING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR IS THIS IN YOUR WORDS, THEY'RE AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD.
AND THEN TO WHAT LEVEL, UM, IS THE REVIEW BECAUSE THE COUNCILS WHO SETS THE POLICY.
SO WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING NEW POLICY WITHIN THE CITY, THAT'S GOING TO STAND FOR DECADES, THAT IT'S THE RIGHT POLICY.
AND IT MAKES SENSE, UM, NOT JUST FOR THIS COUNCIL IN
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THIS COMMUNITY NOW, BUT THIS COMMUNITY A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW.AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DR FORWARD SAID IS THAT IN THEIR PROCESS IN DAYTON, THEY HAD AN ISSUE THAT THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD, UH, EVALUATED AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION DIFFERED FROM WHAT THE POLICE BOARDS, UH, FINAL DECISION WAS.
AND, UH, AND THAT COULD VERY WELL BE THE WAY THAT THINGS END UP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT INDEPENDENT REVIEW ALLOWS PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE ISSUES THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD NOT SEE, YOU KNOW, ON THE POLICE SIDE.
SO IT SERVES A VALUABLE PURPOSE.
I MEAN, I LEARNED, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THE, THE MEETING WE HAD THE OTHER NIGHT, WHAT THAT PROCESS AND INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND ONCE A COMPLAINT CAME IN, HOW THAT WAS HANDED OFF, WHO REVIEWED IT, WHAT STEPS IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND LOOKED AT THOSE COMPLAINTS THROUGH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, ANY TIME FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SERGEANT WHO WAS ON DUTY WHEN THE COMPLAINT HAPPENED, ALL THE CHIEF, I MEAN, ANY AT ANY TIME, THOSE THINGS CAN BE KICKED BACK INTO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO THAT WHOLE PROCESS EVEN WAS STILL WAS NEW TO ME.
I'M NOT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO I'VE NEVER INVESTIGATED COMPLAINT LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT IS.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN OPEN SESSION AND WE HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF HERE WHERE ALL OF US CAN GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S ON BOARD WITH, UM, WITH ANY POLICY.
CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING POLICY, ESTABLISHING LEGISLATION, ANY POLICY THAT GETS MOVED FORWARD FROM THIS COUNCIL MAKES SENSE.
AND IT WORKS NOT JUST NOW, BUT IT WORKS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS THAT'S MY, I WOULD JUST SAY MY SURFACE LEVEL CONCERN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S EVEN A CONCERN.
IT'S JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RIGHT.
THIS IS THE, THE INITIAL DECISION.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE INVOLVED AND WE CAN START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY WHAT, THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TIMELINE AND JUST COLLECTING INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, I W RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A REVIEW BOARD AND WE WROTE THIS RECOMMENDATION WITH CHIEF LIGHTENERS INPUT AND THE BOARD WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT COMPLAINTS ARE STILL INITIALLY INVESTIGATED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF THE COMPLAINT DOES NOT CONCUR WITH THE OUTCOME OF THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, THEY CAN PROCEED WITH APPEALING THOSE RESULTS VIA THE CO THE CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCESS.
WITHIN 30 DAYS, THEN THEY CONDUCT THAT CCRB WILL CONDUCT THEIR OWN EVALUATION OR INVESTIGATION, GAG GATHER INFORMATION.
THEY CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION.
FOLLOWING THE REVIEW OF THE WRECK, THE BOARD WILL THEN DELIVER ITS FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL TO INCLUDE WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD CONCURS WITH RESULTS FROM THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION.
THE REVIEW BOARD WILL HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER AVENUE FOR A RESIDENT.
IF THEY DO NOT FEEL THAT THEY WERE, THAT THE FINDINGS WERE JUSTIFIABLE, IT'S ANOTHER PROCESS OR ANOTHER SET OF EYES THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH, BUT THE REVIEW BOARD DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO TAKE ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION.
YOLANDA, THOSE WORDS THAT YOU JUST READ, DID YOU SAY THE CHIEF LIKED HER HEALTH HELPED YOU FOCUS? THEY WROTE THIS, THE REFORM COMMITTEE WORKED ON THIS, AND THIS WAS THE OUTCOME WITH THEIR DISCUSSIONS WITH CHIEF LEITNER.
AND, AND HE HAS SEEN THAT AND HAS NO ISSUES WITH ANY OF THAT.
RIGHT? CAUSE THEY HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CC WITH THE REVIEW BOARD COULD AND COULD NOT DO BECAUSE OF UNIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO BRIAN, IF YOU COULD REQUEST THAT CHIEF, LIGHTENER BE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION TWO, WE CAN HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND CLEAR THAT UP.
AND BY FRANKLY, I MEAN, IF THAT'S, IF ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN THERE AND THE CHIEF SIGNS OFF ON THAT AND THAT'S, UM, MAYBE THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM AND IT, AND IT MATCHES WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ISSUES, BUT I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY THAT I WILL MAKE SURE HE'S HERE.
YES, MA'AM UH, BRIAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE CHIEF IN REGARD TO, AND SEE IF HE IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT, UH, SHE HAD CONVEYED TONIGHT? YES.
CHIEF WIENER AND I CAN HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP EXPEDITE EVERYTHING AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE IT ON A WORK SESSION AND GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND PAST.
HOW HAS THE, UH, RESOLUTION, UH, UH, DENOUNCING RACISM GOING,
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HA HAS THAT BEEN HELPFUL TO THE COMMITTEE AND TO THE COMMUNITY? UH, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL, UM, I THINK HAS BEEN HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.UM, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A FIRST STEP, RIGHT.
IS DENOUNCING NEXT ARE REALLY ALL OF THE ACTIONS THAT ALIGN TO OUR STATEMENT.
SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING OF COUNCIL OR WHAT WE NEED FROM EVERYONE, EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND CITY COUNCIL IS TO REALLY, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMUTE, WITH THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OURSELVES AND TO REALLY GET THE CITY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND EVEN SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, AND THERE'LL BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM THE COMMISSION ON HOW YOU GET THE LIKE CITY EMPLOYEES INVOLVED.
MAYBE WE DEVELOP A DIVERSITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT STEPS THAT, UM, THE CITY CAN TAKE ACTION STEPS TO START DOING THINGS WITHIN THE BODY OF THE CITY AS WELL.
AND, AND I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER AS IT RELATES TO WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE COMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WHEN I ATTENDED YOUR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, AND IT WAS SAID THAT THE, UH, INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD, UM, IDEA WAS ON OUR TABLE ON OUR AGENDA, I WAS SHOCKED.
AND THEN TO LEARN TONIGHT, IT WASN'T SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE LIAISON OR WHOEVER, UH, WE NEED TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
THAT THAT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A COUNCIL THAT'S BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO LISTEN TO AND INITIATE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A COMMISSION THAT IS VERY ACTIVE, BUT THERE'S A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO IF WE CAN WORK TOWARDS DOING THAT IN REGARD TO OUR WEBSITE, UH, KATE NANCY, AND I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL UP THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND LITERALLY THE PAGES HAVE NO PEOPLE IN THEM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN OUTSOURCE AND GET ACCOMPLISHED.
GOOGLE IMAGES, SOMETHING, SORRY, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I THINK OF MUST HAVE BEEN IN ACTIVITIES AND TAKING PICTURES, THEN WE CAN ASK THE COMMUNITY TO SUBMIT PICTURES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVEN SHORTHANDED AS IT RELATES TO CITY STAFF FOR.
SO WHEN SHE'S AVAILABLE TO DO IT, SHE COULD DO IT.
WE COULD, WE COULD OUTSOURCE IT OR DO SOMETHING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT HER PRESENTATION AND I, YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN BUSY.
OH, WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY AND I THINK WE'VE PASSED ONE RESOLUTION.
UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CATCH-UP TO DO.
WE'VE GOT A LOT AND I MEAN, ANOTHER BIG ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON HERE WAS THE STAFF LEADERSHIP BOARDS AND COMMISSION DIVERSITY TRAINING, AND THAT ALL CITY LEADERSHIP SHOULD GO THROUGH AN ANNUAL DIVERSITY EDUCATION TRAINING I DO AT MY JOB.
AND I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM KATIE THAT SHE WAS WORKING ON, UM, SOME TRAINING, SOME ONLINE TRAINING TO OFFER TO EMPLOYEES, I WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN OFFER SOME IN-PERSON TRAINING FOR OUR STAFF, BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO CLICK THROUGH AND BE TRAINING AND NOT REALLY GRASP IT.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO US JUST ROLLING OUR SLEEVES UP, WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND GETTING THESE THINGS CHECKED OFF.
I KNOW MAYOR YOU'RE ENTHUSIASTIC AND DENOUNCING RACISM, THE RESOLUTION THAT WE DID THERE, YOU WERE A CHAMPION OF.
AND I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UH, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT SERIOUS, BUT MAYBE JUST GET MORE SERIOUS AT BRIDGING THAT GAP IN BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL CAN GET THESE THINGS ON THE DIASEND HANDLED.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, YOUR COUNSEL TO REALLY LOOK BACK AT THAT RESOLUTION AND THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT CAN WE DO AS A LEADERSHIP TO REALLY PUT THIS IN ACTION, TO MAKE THIS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LIVING OUT DAY TO DAY IN OUR CITY.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE JUST SOME ACTION ITEMS BEHIND THAT.
UM, THE ONE THING IS, I WILL SAY, UM, THERE'S A BOOK CALLED STAMPED FROM THE BEGINNING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE EVER HEARD OF THAT, BUT BY EBRUM CANDY.
AND HE STAYS IN THE BOOK THAT IN
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ORDER FOR US REALLY TO MAKE ANY MOVEMENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE ANTI-RACISTS WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE STEP FOR FORWARD AND WHO ARE WILLING TO SPEAK UP AND TAKE THE ACTION.BECAUSE AS MINORITIES, WE DON'T REALLY HOLD THAT POWER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO A LOT OF THAT POWER LIES HERE WITHIN CITY COUNCIL AND MAKING THOSE STEPS TO HELP THINGS REALLY PROGRESS.
UM, SOMETIMES WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH MOMENTUM AS WE WANT TO.
WE REALLY NEED YOU ALL TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IF WE CAN GET THOSE ON THE AGENDA, THAT'LL KEEP US BUSY AND ACCOMPLISH MOST OF THE ITEMS YOU'VE BROUGHT UP THERE.
WE'LL HAVE THE RESOLUTION LIVING AND BREATHING BY OUR ACTIONS.
YOLANDA, WHAT WAS THE BOOK STAMPED FROM THE BEGINNING? WHY DON'T YOU SEND IT TO US? S T S T A M P STAMPS STAMPED LIKE A STAMP.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF RACISM.
VERY, VERY INTERESTING, GOOD BOOK.
IS THERE A FIVE TO THIS? IS THERE ONE NUMBER FIVE? WOULD WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE? OH YES.
I JUST, WHAT ELSE? BUT BEFORE YOU GO ON, SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO FOUR? SO THREE AND FOUR, WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD JUST SEND LAST JULY'S PROGRAM TO THE STAFF? LIKE JUST TO GET SOMETHING STARTED? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? LAST JULY LAST JULY, WE HAD THE DIVERSITY TRAINING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
IT WAS A PROGRAM WITH A THREE-PERSON PANEL.
LIKE, JUST TO GET SOMETHING STARTED FORUM, YOU MEAN, UM, CAN YOU WANT THE RECORDER, THE RECORDING WOULD, COULD WE SEND THAT TO STAFF? JUST IN THE, AND I MEAN, IF I, FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THE ONE THAT WE DID ON THE HEALTH CRISIS WAS, WAS, WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.
SO WE HAVE THREE GOOD PROGRAMS THAT WE COULD SEND OUT THREE TIMES THIS YEAR, EVERY FORUM THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD BE, BUT COULD WE MAKE SURE WE SEND IT OUT TO CITY STAFF AND OUR BOARDS AND OUR COMMISSIONS? DO WE HAVE EMAILS FOR ALL OF THEM, TONY? OKAY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE.
AND THEN, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, OR COMMENT, I THINK HAVING IT BEING TRANSPARENT, HAVING THE WORKFLOWS FOR THE COMPLAINT PROCESS FOR NOT ONLY COUNCIL, BUT FOR SAY, GO INTO A DEPARTMENT AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PERSON, WHAT IS THE COMPLAINT PROCESS AND BE TRANSPARENT ON OUR WEBSITE, HAVE THAT OUTLINED.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL HANDLED INTERNALLY IN THROUGH, YOU HAVE TO GO ON THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THOSE THINGS WORK THEIR WAY UP TO NOW.
IT'S ALL RESOLUTION ULTIMATELY WITH CITY MANAGER.
SO IF WE COULD PUT, HAVE SOME WORKFLOW OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT IS THEIR PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE DO NUMBER THREE, WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING FROM AN INTERNAL PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL AS THE EXTERNAL PERSON WENT INTO A DEPARTMENT AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING BAD SERVICE, HEAVILY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS.
WE COULD BE TRANSPARENT ON OUR WEBSITE.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GO FOR THIS COMPLAINT.
IF YOU WENT IN PERSON AND DIDN'T GET SERVED, YOU GOT CALLED AND YOU WEREN'T SERVED.
WHAT IS THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? AND WE'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL THOSE PROCESSES, RIGHT? YEP.
I ASKED ABOUT X EXTERNAL VERSUS INTERNAL BECAUSE ANOTHER STEP, UM, WE ALSO MOVE, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT FROM AN INTERNAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE INSIDE THAT IS HAVING CHALLENGES.
WHAT'S THE, WHERE'S THAT GO? AND LIKE, IF THEY COULD LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE AND HAVE THAT TO REFER TO WHERE TO GO.
JUST ASKING AND CERTAINLY DISCUSSION WORTHY.
I THINK WE MIGHT NEED NEW BATTERIES.
SO THESE HAVE BEEN THEM PROCLAMATION RECOGNITION, OBSERVING JUNE TEAM, UM, AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE STAY AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THREE PROCLAMATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND WE HAD ON THE TABLE, JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER OPENING MEETINGS WITH ATLANTIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND RECOGNITION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AND FYI FOR MLK DAY.
WE JUST HAD THAT JANUARY 17TH, THANK YOU ALL WHO WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT? WE HAD ABOUT 25 PEOPLE THERE.
I THINK WE HAD A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM AND THERE NOTICE
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THERE'S COPIES OF THE PROGRAM THERE AS WELL, PHENOMENAL SPEAKER.AND WE'VE PARTNERED WITH NEW SEASON MINISTRY.
UM, THEY POSTED A VOTER REGISTRATION THERE FOR US AS WELL AS OUR MLK PROGRAM.
WE DID HOME VOTER REGISTRATIONS THIS YEAR AT THE FOOTBALL GAMES.
SO WHEN WE PROPPED UP THE COMMITTEE, YOU WERE GIVEN A BUDGET OF ABOUT $15,000.
CAN YOU TELL ME AFTER ALL THESE PROGRAMS AND PAPERS AND SPEAKERS, WHERE ARE YOU AT MONEY? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WE DID NOT HAVE TO SPEND $15,000.
OUR, UM, BIGGEST BUDGET ITEM WAS TO BE THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, WHICH WE HAD TO TABLE.
SO I BELIEVE WE SPENT ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAYBE 1500 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1500 AND 2000 ON OUR ESSAY CONTEST.
WE'VE UM, THE FRAYED CALLS FOR OUR EDUCATION FORUMS, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOING THEM AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS FREE.
SO WE NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, BUT THIS YEAR WE WILL HAVE THAT THE FESTIVAL, WHEN WE HAVE LINE ITEMS, THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST LINE ITEM.
SO COULD YOU, YOU AND YOUR COMMISSION, THE LIAISON GET US AN ACCOUNTING AND WHERE YOU'RE AT, SO WE KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT, WHAT YOU NEED HELP WITH.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WEEK LONG CELEBRATION AND THE LAST WEEK OF JUNE FOR THE CULTURAL FESTIVAL, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT ARTS AND PURIFICATION IS ALSO PLANNING SOME CULTURAL EVENTS LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE OR THE WEEK AFTER, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT SAME TIMELINE.
UM, IS THERE SOME REASON THAT THOSE AREN'T BEING COMBINED RATHER THAN ASKING PEOPLE TO COME OUT TWICE? WELL, WE'VE HAD CONFERENCE CON CONVERSATIONS WITH A AND B, SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THE SEPARATE THING BECAUSE WE PLAN TO, WE WANT TO PARTNER, WE WOULD LOVE TO PARTNER WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THE SEPARATE EVENT THAT THERE COULD YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE CHECK WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE NOT COMPETING WITH ONE ANOTHER.
WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL EVENT AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN THE LAST YEAR.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
YES, WE WERE WORKING ON, THAT'S GOING TO BE A WEEK ON AVAILABLE FOR FATHER'S DAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JUNE TEAM FUNK FESTIVAL.
AND BRIAN IS WORKING WITH US WHEN THAT WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONCERT, UM, AT THE ROSE, BUT WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW THAT WORKS THROUGH OUR BACKUP IS TO HAVE IT AT THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT IT'LL KICK OFF WITH THAT JUNETEENTH FUNK BEST WITH, UM, BANDS, FUNK BANDS.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE, UH, RACISM AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS PART TWO DURING THAT WEEK.
AND THEN WE'LL END THE WEEK WITH THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL.
COULD YOU COME BACK IN ABOUT THREE MONTHS AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE YOU'RE GOING ON? YOU DON'T HAVE THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER.
THIS IS REALLY EXCITING, CAUSE IT'D BE GREAT TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PARTICIPATE.
YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'VE BEEN IN GATHERING UP PARTICIPANTS AND WHAT KIND OF CULTURAL EVENTS MIGHT BE COMING UP.
AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE WOULD LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ALSO, SO PLEASE SEND US YOUR FEEDBACK.
OTHER THINGS YOU THINK WE'RE DOING WELL.
TELL US THAT, BUT THINGS YOU THINK THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR IMPROVEMENT OR DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN PLEASE TELL US THAT AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE INTERESTED IN KNOWING GETTING SOME FEEDBACK IT'S BEEN A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
HOW DO YOU GAUGE HOW THE COMMISSION'S DOING? WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO I'M SORRY, AGAIN, UM, YOU FORGOT ON ONE OF YOUR SIGNS THAT YOU HAD A MARTIN LUTHER KING WALK LAST YEAR, JANUARY, 2021.
WE DID THANK YOU THAT DAY TOO.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO NOT BE COLD ON THEM.
I JUST EXCITED THAT ANYTHING ELSE? YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU.
YOU HAVE TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE UPDATE.
UH, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, AND I GUESS CONVERSATION THAT, UH, I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE, UM, OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT FORUMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
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THAT'S TAKEN PLACE AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.I, I NEED TO ASK YOU FIRST, HOW DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE BEEN ATTENDED BY THE COMMUNITY? WE WOULD LIKE TO SIT, SEE MORE ATTENDANCE.
I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, AND ANOTHER CHALLENGE IS OFTEN THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE THERE.
AREN'T SO THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED HELP IS REALLY GETTING THINGS OUT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE PUBLICIZE ON FACEBOOK ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
UM, EVERYONE PUSHES IT TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL PAGES.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SARAH VERY CLOSELY TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE CITY WEBSITE AS WELL.
UM, WE'VE PUBLICIZED ON OUR KEY ADS, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS GROW.
AND AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE COMMISSION.
SO I THINK OUR NUMBERS HAVE GONE THERE.
WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE FOLLOWING US ON OUR PAGE, PEOPLE MORE ENGAGED.
WE'VE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SAID, HEY, YOU'RE DOING AN AWESOME JOB.
UM, SO WE'RE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK.
MY, MY QUESTION, UM, ADDITIONALLY GOES TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO MORE? I MEAN, WE CAN, UM, I THINK MOST EVERYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, PUTS IT ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT YOU'VE HAD THE CITY DOES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER AVENUES, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I GO TO THESE FORUMS WHERE I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED TO ATTEND, UM, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS VIDEO RECORD THOSE FOR, YOU KNOW, LATER, YOU KNOW, USE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU TAKE OUT, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, BOARDS, AND COMMISSIONS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, A FACILITY MEMBERS AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS, IT MAKES ME WONDER AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, THAT, THAT HAS VOTED, YOU KNOW, UM, TO PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, BOARD AND COMMISSION TOGETHER AND THEN SUPPORT WHAT IS W WHERE'S THE, UH, WHERE'S THE HITCH W WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE MISSING, I GUESS, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU AND THE MERIT STATED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 43,000 PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS TOPIC, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE SOMETHING OF GRAVE IMPORTANCE THAT PEOPLE WOULD, SHOULD COME OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO OR ATTEND.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT, THAT'S MY, MY CHALLENGE TO THE BOARD IS WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER TO GAIN ATTENDANCE? UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR 4TH OF JULY PARADE, OUR MARIGOLD FESTIVAL, WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THESE EVENTS THAT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE DOING? UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY PERSONAL TAKEAWAY, UH, BACK TO THE BOARD IS WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO IMPROVE THAT? IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT ADVERTISING? UM, IS IT THE FACILITY THAT IT IS? I DO KNOW THE COMMUNITY CENTER NEEDS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT UPGRADES.
UM, AND THERE, I MEAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, AB YOU KNOW, CAPABILITIES IN THERE.
UM, I KNOW I WORKED WITH NOT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, BUT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER TO HIM, UM, TO TRY TO GET SOME UPGRADES IN THERE.
UM, SO THESE ARE THINGS, AND IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A FACILITY, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT AS A COUNCIL.
SO I GUESS THAT'S MY TAKE IS WHAT CAN WE DO? NOT JUST A FACILITY ADVERTISING PARTICIPATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS STATED, IF YOU COME BACK IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, OR WHENEVER THE CASE MAY EVEN AN EMAIL, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD START DOING NOW IS WHEN YOU COME BRING A FRIEND, BRING QUITE A FEW FRIENDS WITH YOU, UM, PROMO THESE THINGS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ON YOUR OWN PAGES TO PROMOTE, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEHIND THIS, WE'RE WE VALUE THIS.
AGAIN, OUR LEADERSHIP REALLY SENDS THE MESSAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE COULD START WITH, YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU'RE OUT TALKING TO YOUR, YOUR WARTS MENTIONED THE COMMISSION TO THEM, BUT THE MORE THAT YOU CAN PROMOTE AND HELP US PROMOTE THE BETTER, THAT'S REALLY GONNA HELP THINGS A LOT.
IT'S MS. SPEAKER, ARE WE INVITING ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND STAFF? ARE YOU SENDING THE EMAIL WITH A REMINDER TO BRIAN TO SEND OUT OR TONY TO THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? NO, WE'RE NOT.
NO, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SENDING OUT IN MANY WAYS TO DO.
I MEAN, NOW THAT'S A CITY MANAGER CALL THAT'S, HE'S OUR ONLY HE'S OUR EMPLOYEE.
EVERYBODY ELSE WORKS FOR HIM AS PAST PRACTICE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THIS ORGANIZATION HAS DONE, UH, NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S SOMETHING THIS ORGANIZATION CAN'T DO GOING FORWARD.
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I WOULD JUST, I WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL BEFORE DOING IT WITH RESPECT TO, ARE WE PROMOTING ONE OVER ANOTHER? ARE WE RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KNOW OF THE 90 OF THE A HUNDRED? WE HAVE, WE, WE MISS ONE, RIGHT? IS THAT THE ONE THAT MATTERS MOST? SO JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT WOULD NEED TO GO INTO THAT BEFORE WE DO THAT, BUT NOT A CURRENT PRACTICE.I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP IN ONE OF OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS IS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CALENDAR ON OUR WEBSITE, BUT, UM, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS TO KATIE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A DOWNLOADABLE CALENDAR FOR OUR CITY.
LIKE FOR THE CITY SCHOOL SYSTEM, I CAN DOWNLOAD THE FULL CALENDAR.
I KNOW WHEN THE BOARD MEETINGS ARE, SO IT'S ON MY CALENDAR SO I CAN SEE, LIKE, THAT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE CITY.
SO WE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, BY ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, EVERYTHING.
I WAS WRITING THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
UH, NO, AND THAT'S YOLANDA, THAT'S A GREAT TOPIC WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WEBSITE AND, UM, UM, THE CITY APP, UM, THAT, UH, I KNOW IS STILL YEARS IN THE WORKS HERE.
UM, THAT THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PUSHED OUT TO, TO RESIDENTS AND FOLKS WHO, YOU KNOW, GO ON AND SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT CAN BE PUSHED OUT.
AND I KNOW, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN I BROUGHT THE CITI APP, THAT WAS A FUNCTION THAT WAS AVAILABLE, UM, TO DO, AND I KNOW OUR CITY WEBSITE HAS THAT.
SO YEAH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
WHAT CAN WE DO, BUT WHAT, WHERE ARE WE DROPPING THE BALL AT NOW? UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT THE WEBSITE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, PUSHING OUT THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA? IS IT THE USE OF THE CITY APP, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HIGHLIGHT EVENTS? CAUSE I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS A SMARTPHONE, EVEN ANDROID AND APPLE, YOU CAN GET RS, RSS UPDATES.
SO IF YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THE CALENDAR, IT AUTOMATICALLY PUTS IT IN YOUR CALENDAR, RIGHT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING THE COMMUNITY, HOW THAT CAN BE DONE.
IT'S A, ONE-STEP YOU JUST DO IT ONCE.
AND IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DONE FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING EVERY EVENT THAT OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR CITY DOES IS AUTOMATICALLY PUSHED IN THERE.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN, I KNOW WE CAN SUBSCRIBE TO CERTAIN THINGS ON THE WEBSITE, IF YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO UPDATES FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEPEND ON THEM, COMING TO US TO FIND IT, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER OFF WE'LL BE.
AND IS IT IN THE CITY NEWSLETTER ALL YOUR EVENTS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
THE LAST NEWSLETTER THAT WE HAD, WE HAD EVENTS IN THERE.
SO I WAS JUST GOING TO COME INTO RICHARD'S COMMENTS ABOUT GETTING THIS OUT AND ABOUT, UM, WE, I THINK WE DO NEED TO PUSH THE, THE, THE APP, THE PHONE APP BIG TIME.
CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT.
UM, BUT SYDNEY WEBSITE AS WELL, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'LL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE AVAILABLE, HOW TO EDUCATE THEM ON GETTING THOSE UPDATES AND CONNECTING.
AND I GOT MY CALENDAR SET THE SAME WAY TO GET THOSE FEEDS AND WERE AUTOMATICALLY POPULATES.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR ACTUAL WRITTEN NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT PRINTED NEWSLETTER THAT GO, WE CAN PUT OUT IN OUR WATER BILLS THAT WE USED TO PUT OUT QUARTERLY AND WE JUST STOPPED DOING.
BUT IF WE COULD START FEEDING THAT INFORMATION INTO THOSE AND LETTING FOLKS KNOW THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, THIS IS HOW YOU GET ON ELECTRONICALLY, DIGITALLY AND FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
UM, AND IT'S JUST SOME FOLKS STRAIGHT UP WON'T DO THAT.
THEY LIKE THAT OLD FASHIONED PAPERS, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE, I THINK THE KEY IS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS EXIST, THAT THEY CAN SIGN UP FOR AND GET THEM, YOU KNOW, START GETTING THOSE FEEDS AND GETTING THINGS, PUSHED TO THEM TO KNOW WHAT EVENTS ARE HAPPENING WHEN, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY NEED TO FOCUS ON IS GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT IN ANY WAY WE CAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEPLACE HERE THAT WE CAN POST, YOU KNOW, SOME FLYER EVENT OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR THOSE WHO MAYBE ARE COMING THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE MAGNETIC FRAMES THAT GO ON THE ENTRYWAY THAT WE, FOR OTHER BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS, THEY GIVE ME A FLYER AND WE POSTED UP THERE AT THE ENTRY WAYS TO SAY, OKAY, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS IN THE LOBBY THAT WE CAN RUN FLYERS ON AS WELL.
THE MARTIN LUTHER KING WALK WAS ON THERE THOUGH FOR THAT ONE.
SO TO FINISH UP, I THINK I JUST WOULD SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE THAT JUST CAME OUT AND THEY DID THE NEWSPAPER REGARDING THE, THE 2020 CENSUS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST OVERALL GROWTH.
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EXPERIENCE ABOUT 14% GROWTH, 14.6% GROWTH IN GENERAL POPULATION OVERALL.BUT, UH, THIS, THE ARTICLE THAT JUST CAME OUT REALLY BROKE IT DOWN FROM, UH, FROM A DIVERSITY PERSPECTIVE AND HOW WE HAD GROWN IN, UM, MINORITY POPULATION.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE, THE GOOD NEWS IS HUBER HEIGHTS IS GROWING, NOT JUST IN A CAUCASIAN POPULATION, WE'RE GROWING IN AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION.
WE'RE GOING IN LATINO POPULATION.
WE'RE GROWING IN, UM, ASIAN PACIFIC ISLANDER POPULATION.
IT'S GROWING ACROSS ALL SECTORS AND ETHNICITIES.
AND SOME OF THOSE WERE LIKE TRIPLE DIGIT PERCENTAGES OF GROWTH.
SO OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS SHE, RICE IS A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
WE, WE WE'VE CELEBRATED THAT A LONG TIME.
WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MOVED TO GIVER HEIGHTS BECAUSE WE ARE DIVERSE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO HEBREW AT TWO SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR, THEY WANT THEIR KIDS INVOLVED IN A, IN A SCHOOL.
SO WHEN THEY GRADUATE AND THEY GO TO WORK, THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH WHEN THEY GET TO COLLEGE AND BEYOND, OR IF THEY ENTER THE WORKFORCE RIGHT AWAY.
SO WE ARE AN EXTREMELY DIVERSE CITY AND WE ARE GROWING THAT WAY BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS AS WELL, ALMOST BETTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE REGION.
AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO ATTRIBUTED TO THE FACT THAT WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, OR THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP, THEY'RE GOING TO RELOCATE, OR IF THEY'RE COMING HERE FROM OUT OF STATE OR ANOTHER PLACE AND WHERE DIVERSITY IS IMPORTANT TO SOMEONE, HE WRITES HIS TOPS ON THE LIST WERE ABSOLUTELY TOPS AND LISTS.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN THEY COME TO YOUR RIGHTS, IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE.
IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO LIVE.
IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY'LL BE WELCOMED.
AND IT'S A PLACE THAT HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY NOBODY IN OUR CITY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, OR THEY'RE NOT BEING TREATED EQUALLY AS, AS THEIR COUNTERPARTS.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT FEELING EXISTS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IF IT DIDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE GROWING IN DIVERSITY THE WAY THAT WE ARE.
SO I THINK WHEN, WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WE ARE, WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY PROUD OF THAT AND HOW WE'RE GROWING IN THOSE POPULATIONS OTHER THAN JUST A WHITE POPULATION.
AND WE NOW HAVE THE DATA OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT SHOWS THAT, AND ALMOST BETTER THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE REGION, UM, BASED ON THIS LAST CENSUS, UH, AND ALL THAT INFORMATION WAS JUST AVAILABLE IN THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS, LITERALLY IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[ ZC 21-34 - The Annex Group - 6502 Old Troy Pike - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
NEXT UP.IS I IN 3D, WHICH IS ZONING CASE 21 DASH 34.
THIS IS THE ANNEX GROUP AT 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS IS A REZONING TOPIC FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, BRIAN, JUST, UH, KIND OF A WRAP UP HERE.
I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, UM, WHAT SHE DID LET SOME OF THOSE PILOT PAYMENTS MIGHT BE.
AND I KNOW WE HAD, UM, WAS HOPING YOU'D HAVE SOME NUMBERS OR COMMUNICATION WITH THE ANNEX GROUP TO KINDA BE ABLE TO BRING BACK TO US, TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, TO WHERE, HOW SOON DOES THIS NEED TO COME BACK ON TO AN ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING WHERE COUNCIL CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE FOR US? CORRECT.
UH, JUST QUICK UPDATE FOR COUNSEL HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT, UH, REPEATEDLY WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, WORKING TO GET SOME NUMBERS THROUGH, UH, GOVERNMENT IS THE SAME IN ALL 50 STATES, BUT WE GO ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
AND SO, UH, THE WAY THAT OHIO LOOKS AT, UH, HOW THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE TAXED, HOW THEIR PROJECT WOULD BE TAXED, HOW IT WOULD BE ASSESSED IS DIFFERENT THAN IN OTHER STATES.
UH, AT LEAST THE OTHER STATES THEY'VE WORKED IN PREVIOUSLY, WHICH HAS KIND OF BEEN THE HANGUP.
WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THROUGH SOME CONCEPTS AND TALK THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS.
THEY ARE VALIDATING THEIR WORKING IN INTERNALLY VALIDATE THE NUMBERS AND SOME OF THEIR INITIAL CALCULATIONS.
AND THERE'LL BE BACK IN TOUCH WITH ME.
UH, I WOULD SUSPECT PROBABLY FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK.
SO SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH LONGER BEFORE THIS ACTUALLY COMES BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME, UH, MEANINGFUL, UH, WITH SOME MEANINGFUL INFORMATION BEHIND IT SO THAT COUNCIL CAN, CAN TAKE ACTION AND MOVE THIS ON ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THIS? OKAY.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT, UH, WHEN THIS WAS CONSIDERED IN DECEMBER, IT WAS TABLED, UM, TO A THIRD READING, UM, TO THE JANUARY 24TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THAT WILL APPEAR AS A THIRD READING ON MONDAY'S AGENDA AUTOMATICALLY.
SO THE FIRST TIME IT COULD BE TABLED AGAIN, OR IT COULD BE PASSED TO IT, YOU KNOW, FOURTH READING OR AS MANY READINGS ARE NECESSARY TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED BEFORE MAKING IT THIS.
SO SHORT OF HAVING THAT INFORMATION.
IS THERE ANY ACTION NECESSARY OTHER THAN MOVING TO A FOURTH READING? I MEAN, IS THAT THE CORRECT WAY TO HANDLE THAT RATHER THAN TAILORING? AGAIN, IT COULD BE EITHER WAY,
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SO, OKAY.BECAUSE BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH BRIAN, BY THE TIME WE HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION, SO IF WE HAVE A, IF WE, IF IT'S ON THE MEETING AND WE WENT TO A FOURTH READING, OR THE NEXT WORK SESSION STARTED WITH THEM TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, YOU'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION UPDATE WHERE THE FOLLOWING MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE INFORMATION TO MAKE, TO TAKE ACTION.
THAT THAT'S A FAIR ESTIMATED SCHEDULE.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO A, UH, TO A FOURTH READING THAT, OKAY, NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE,
[ ZC 21-47 - Campbell Berling - East Side Of Bellefontaine Road South Of Chambersburg Road - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
WHICH IS OWNING CASE 2147, UH, 21 DASH 47, CAMPBELL BERLIN AT THE EAST SIDE OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.UH, THIS IS FOR THE REZONING, THAT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, SO I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION.
THERE WERE A LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, WE HAD SOME KIND OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
I KNOW MRS. BERG HAD ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
WE HAD, UM, MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN THE OAKS ARE HERE.
WHO'S FOCUSED ON HEARING COMED'S QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, W WE ARE, I WOULD JUST SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS EVENING, AND I, I WOULD HATE TO MAKE ANY FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WITHOUT, UH, EVERYONE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THEM AND BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE FORMAL ACTION.
BUT I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT THE SEASONING, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS HOPEFULLY THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, UM, EITHER SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, AGAIN, SINCE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAD, THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT MOVE FORWARD.
SO THERE WAS ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE HERE THIS EVENING.
YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT, TO ADD TO THE OVERALL CONVERSATION BEFORE WE MOVE THIS ON FORCE FOR ACTION WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK DOWN AND TALKING ABOUT THAT.
AND IF BRIAN, IF I MISS ANYTHING, CERTAINLY PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERJECT, SIR.
I'M GOING TO PULL UP, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A FOURTH SLIDE.
SO IF YOU USE THE CLICKER THERE, GREG, IT'S JUST SOME REFERENCE POINTS FOR ANY DISCUSSION YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US.
UM, UH, GREG BERLIN CAME FROM BERLIN DEVELOPMENT, UM, KIND OF GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, WITH MR. D TODAY, AND THEN, UH, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MOTHER ADJACENT RESIDENTS.
UM, UM, TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IN THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME UPDATES AND THEN, UH, SOME ADDITIONS TO THE PLAN, UM, UH, FROM THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD.
UM, FIRST I JUST WANTED TO, UH, GO BACK TO SOME OF THE UTILITY, THE STORM WATER AND THE SANITARY SEWER, UH, THE TRAFFIC.
UH, WE DISCUSSED THAT QUITE A BIT ON, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK AND I HAD MY, UH, IN REGARDS TO STORM WATER.
I HAD MY ENGINEER KIND OF WRITE UP, UH, JUST A, UH, A SIMPLE NARRATIVE.
YOU HAVE GO AHEAD AND PASS THOSE AROUND, UM, A SIMPLE NARRATIVE.
AND, UH, I DID, UH, BRIAN, BRIAN HAS A COPY OF THIS.
UM, IS THAT, WAS, DID YOU HAVE THAT UP ON HERE? I DON'T THINK I, I THINK I JUST SENT IT TO YOU TODAY, SO I'M SORRY.
UM, BUT IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH A NARRATIVE OF HOW, UM, STORMWATER DESIGN IS, UH, KIND OF IMPLEMENTED ON THE FRONT END OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IS THERE ENOUGH COPIES THAT I CAN GET ONE BACK OR IS IT, UH, KIND OF A, IT'S RE WHAT I SAID LAST WEEK? KIND OF, UM, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER.
WE WERE PROFILE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT DOES THIS DESIGN, UM, ON THE FRONT END.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, UH, WE'RE IN PLANNING STATIONS STAGES.
WE DON'T DO A DETAILED DESIGN AS IN, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL TO THE CITY, BUT AS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, THEY DO GO THROUGH, UM, CALCULATIONS, UH, BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND THESE ARE STANDARD CRITERIA THAT ANY ENGINEER WORKING ON THIS SITE WOULD LOOK AT AND YOUR CITY ENGINEER WOULD LOOK AT THE SIMILAR CRITERIA, THE SAME CRITERIA.
AND, UM, AND THIS IS HOW HE DETERMINES THE SIZE OF THE TEND TO DEBT DETENTION BASIN, AND, UM, THE EFFECTS ON THE PROPERTY, UM, GOING THROUGH DETAILED DESIGN COULD THAT BASE AND BECOME SMALLER, COULD
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BE, COULD IT BECOME BIGGER? IT COULD BE, IT COULD.UM, BUT THIS IS AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, THIS IS HIS, UM, PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND THAT DETENTION BASIN.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, IF THAT BASIN BECOMES SMALLER OR LARGER, IT BECOMES SMALLER, LARGER.
THAT'S HOW I HAVE TO BUILD IT.
I HAVE TO BUILD IT THE WAY THAT THE ENGINEERS TELL US HOW TO BUILD IT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU, JUST SO YOU HAD KIND OF A NARRATIVE.
I GAVE IT TO YOU KIND OF IN MY CLIFF NOTES VERSION, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE DETAILED, BUT THIS IS FROM MY ENGINEER AND THIS IS HOW HE DETERMINES, UM, THE SIZE OF THESE.
SO, UM, IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT, I DID, UM, WE DO, AND I, I MENTIONED IT LAST WEEK.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED WITH CHOICE ONE FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WILL, UH, BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND, UM, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH CITY STAFF, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UM, ON ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, ANY PERIPHERAL ROAD BEYOND THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THOSE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, PLAN APPROVAL.
SO, UM, AS A DEVELOPER, WE ACCEPT THOSE.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER, UH, THE ENGINEERS WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I FOLLOWED THIS FROM THERE.
SO, UM, DIDN'T WANT TO, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE HERE, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER THOSE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.
I THINK, UM, FIRST QUESTIONS ON THE STORM WATER THINGS.
I MEAN, I, I GET THAT AND ASSUMING THIS WOULD, I MEAN, IF THIS GOES TO A DETAILED PLAN, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE DETAILED PLAN AND THAT'S WHERE ALL, I MEAN, ALL THE REAL SPECIFICS OF THE ENGINEERING, OUR ENGINEERING DOES A REVIEW.
I MEAN, I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A POINT IN THAT PROCESS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, I DIDN'T HAVE THIS FOR THE LAST MEETING I WANTED TO HAVE THAT, UH, JUST TO JUST ALLOW YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, SO ALSO I'M ON PLAN ADDITIONS.
SO, UM, LISTEN TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, I'VE TALKED TO THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, IT'LL COME DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY FEEL OR HOW, HOW WE FEEL.
BUT, UH, I DID HEAR THERE'S, UM, THERE'S SOME ITEMS I WANT IT TO ADD TO THE PLAN.
I HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THEM IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF GET THOSE LISTED AND I DO HAVE AN EXHIBIT TO KIND OF, UM, TO GIVE YOU VISUALLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
UM, AND THEN I CAN, SO THIS FIRST EXHIBIT IS A, UM, KIND OF THE MOUNDING AND LANDSCAPING ALONG THE BELT MOUNTAIN.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU VISUALLY WHAT THIS MOUNTING AND LANDSCAPING WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, I'LL ALSO ADD THAT, UM, AFTER HEARING SOME TESTIMONY FROM, UH, FROM RESIDENTS AND LISTENING TO THE COUNCIL, UM, A SIDEWALK ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN, ALONG OUR FRONTAGE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AGREEING TO THAT, UH, FOR CONNECTIVITY, UM, FOR FUTURE, IF THERE'S FUTURE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY COMING DOWN, BELL FOUNTAIN TO THE NORTH OR TO THE NORTH OR TO THE SOUTH, I WILL, UM, BUILD THE, UH, SIDEWALK ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN THERE.
SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT IF, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT, IT WAS NOT ON THE SUBMITTED PLAN.
UM, IN ADDITION, AND I HAD, UH, BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, ALONG MR. HERMAN'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UM, ALONG HIS PROPERTY LINE.
AND HE IS THE CLOSEST, UH, HOME TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, I WILL ALSO HAVE A LANDSCAPE OFFER ALONG HIS PROPERTY, UM, ON THE REAR YARDS OF THOSE LOTS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, ANY OF THESE, I'M FINE WITH THESE BEING CONDITIONS TO APPROVAL.
UM, ALSO WANTED TO ADD, UH, THE OAK IN THE OPEN SPACE, UM, AND THE OPEN SPACE, UH, ALONG THE PA YES.
UH, ALONG THE PATH OR THE, UM, THE, THE PIPELINE EASEMENT, UM, THERE'LL BE A SIDEWALK AT IT TO CONNECT THOSE TWO STREETS, JUST ADDING SOME MORE CONNECTIVITY, UM, FOR WALKING.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN I WILL ADD A WALKING PATH AROUND THE DETENTION BASIN, OBVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF BY JUST, UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE OFFERS THERE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ADDITIONS TO THE PLAN I WANTED TO ADD.
UM, AND, UH, I WANT TO CREATE A GREAT COMMUNITY FOR THE CITY WHO WERE HEIGHTS.
UM, A LOT OF THESE, THIS BUFFERING, THIS LANDSCAPING, ALL I DID WANT TO ADD.
THE LAST THING I DID, UM, HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH FISHER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THEY, IT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY, UH, FEATURE
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IT'S, UM, DOESN'T, IT'S NOT VISUALLY ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT IT'S ON THEIR LOTS.UM, THEY, THEY PROVIDE LANDSCAPE SCREENING BETWEEN, UM, EACH SLOT.
SO JUST CREATES PRIVACY IN THE REAR YARDS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE CITY, BUT IT MAKES IT MORE OF A LIVABLE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THEY HAVE A, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, DESIGN THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED JUST TO THE CITY, JUST FOR, UM, FOR REVIEW AND JUST FOR, UM, FOR INFORMATION CONNECT.
AND I KNOW CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU WILLING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING, I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO JUST COMPROMISING TO MAKE A BETTER COMMUNITY FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, FOR THE, THE, THE NEW PEOPLE THAT MAY LIVE THERE AND THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS, UM, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, THIS, UH, THE BUFFER ON THE SIDEWALK THERE ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN IS THAT, SO, UH HEIGHT-WISE HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE EXISTING BUFFER OR IS THAT A MOUND, UH, A MOUNTAIN THAT'S THEIR ALARM BELL FOUNTAIN.
SO THE PEOPLE, SO BECAUSE THOSE HOUSES ON THE OAKS, THEIR BACKYARD, BECAUSE BELL FOUNTAIN, THEY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR THERE IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO MATCH HEIGHT-WISE? IS THAT GOING TO BE SIMILAR? IT'S PROBABLY AROUND THREE TO FIVE FEET UNDULATING.
I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW HIGH THE ONE IS ON, ON A BELL FOUNTAIN, UH, FOR THE OAKS.
IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THREE TO FIVE FEET.
UM, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TREES ARE THEN PLANTED ON TOP, SO YOU'LL HAVE SIX TO EIGHT FOOT TREES ON TOP, SO YOU'LL GET A GOOD EIGHT TO 10 FEET OF COVERAGE.
I'M ON A THREE FOOT MOUND THERE.
SO IT'S, UM, UH, AND THEN IT GROWS IN, SO THERE'LL BE EVERGREEN TREES FROM THERE.
SO THE ISSUE IS WHO IS JUST AESTHETICALLY, IF I'M IN THE CAR AND I'M DRIVING DOWN BELL FOUNTAIN AND I'M COMING UPON TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSING STYLE, THE STRUCTURE MIGHT BE, ONCE I GET IN THERE, THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW IT FEELS AS I'M, AS I'M DRIVING.
AND AS I'M LOOKING, IF THERE'S A MORE SIMILAR, JUST THE ENTRANCE AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUFFER THAT, THAT CAN LOOK FROM ONE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NEXT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GOING.
SO I THINK JUST AESTHETICALLY LOOKING AT HOW IT LOOKS, SO I DON'T LOOK LIKE I'M, WELL, THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS IS, AND I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT'S THAT DIFFERENT UNTIL I, UNTIL I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, SO I, I SEE A MA MOUNDING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AT THE OAKS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UM, I, I, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT THREE TO FIVE FEET TALL.
UH, IF IT'S SIX FEET TALL, I MEAN, WE CAN, I CAN WITH STAFF COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER AND HAVE THAT INCORPORATED IN THE PLAN.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
UH, LANDSCAPING AT THE ENTRY TO ENTRY MONUMENT, UM, WOULD, UM, I HAVEN'T, AS WE, IT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED, BUT IT WOULD LOOK TO COMPLIMENT THE AREA AND TO COMPLIMENT THE IT'S.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD WAS ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND, UM, WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING COMPS FOR KIND OF THE, THE EXTERIOR VIEW.
SO, UM, IF THE EXTRA VIEW IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THAT LOOKS THE SAME.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT CUTS IT ALL OUT, BUT IT HELPS.
UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALSO BE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING ALONG THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, SUBSTATION OR SUBSTATION THERE.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE DEPTH AND THE THICKNESS OF THIS LANDSCAPING AND THE LOOKS OF IT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US, THE REAR, IT ALSO PROVIDES NOT JUST EXTERNALLY DRIVING PAST, IT ALSO PROVIDES A BUFFERING AND PRIVACY IN THE REAR YARDS OF THE LOTS THAT BACKUP THE BELL FOUNTAIN.
SO FOR US, IT IS CREATING AS DENSE OF A, UH, OF A BUFFER THERE FOR THEM IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I ASKED RICHARD, THANK YOU.
UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, SIR.
UM, UH, OUR MAYOR ASKED A VERY, I THINK, IMPORTANT QUESTION.
IT WAS ECHOED BY MANY RESIDENTS.
UM, AND AT THAT MEETING, I DON'T THINK HE GOT A FAIR ANSWER IF AT ALL, TO THE QUESTION.
UM, AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP, UM, WHY THIS PRODUCT HERE, IN WHAT SENSE, WHAT MADE YOU CHOOSE TO GO HERE AND NOT OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT'S FOR SALE, LOTS FOR SALE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WELL, YOU, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT.
UM, THERE'S THE FEATURES OF THE SITE.
UM, WHAT'S THERE, UH, THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING TO THE SITE.
SO THERE'S, UM, ON DEVELOPING, I DEVELOPED A SILVER OAKS, WHICH IS THE EXTENSION, ALL FOLKS, HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, DEVELOPING QUAIL RIDGE RIGHT NOW, BUT ARE SINGLE FAMILY.
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THAT IS, UH, NEEDED IN THE CITY.UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT, UM, OUR BUILDER, UH, PARTNERS.
HORTON RIGHT NOW IN FISHER HOMES THAT WE'D OPENED HUBER HEIGHTS FOR.
UM, IT IS A PRODUCT THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WELL-RECEIVED, AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UM, FLORENCE, KENTUCKY, UH, LEBANON, OHIO, MIDDLETOWN, OHIO, AND IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND, AND WELL RECEIVED BY THE MUNICIPALITY AND BY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PURCHASED THE UNITS AND THAT ARE BECOMING THE NEW NEIGHBORS AND THE NEW RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THIS SITE, UH, THE FEATURES OF THE SITE LENT ITSELF TO THIS PRODUCT.
UM, IT'S A, IT IMPACTS THE TYPOGRAPHY LESS THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND ALSO, UM, THE PRODUCT ITSELF IS WELL-NEEDED AS WHAT WE FELT THROUGH A MARKETING STUDIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, IT WAS WELL-RECEIVED, UM, PROBABLY THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT I SITE, BECAUSE IT'S MOST COMPLETE IS WHITE STONE LINKS, SOME FLORENCE, KENTUCKY, SO I'M BOOM LINKS, GOLF COURSE.
AND, UM, IT'S A PRODUCT THAT IT'S A BIT, IT WAS BRAND NEW WHEN THAT PRODUCT WAS INTRODUCED TO THAT MUNICIPALITY.
IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED BY FLORENCE.
IF YOU, UH, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL FLORENCE, KENTUCKY, OR BOONE COUNTY, THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW WELL IT WAS RECEIVED TO A POINT WHERE THEY ARE WANTING ME TO DEVELOP MORE OF THAT PRODUCT PRODUCT THERE.
SO AS Y HERE, UM, WE IDENTIFIED THE HUBER HEIGHTS AS, UM, AS AN AREA FOR THAT.
IT IS GROWTH AS THE MAYOR SAID, AND, UM, GROWTH FOR WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
AND, UH, THIS PRODUCT IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, AND IT PROVIDES, UM, FOR, UH, FOR A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, UH, A LARGE DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, PRODUCT TO, UH, GROW INTO THERE'S THE TWO STORY TOWN HOMES AND THE SINGLE STORY RANCH UNITS, SO PROVIDES A BROAD PRODUCT TYPE, UH, A HOME TYPE, UH, FOR RESIDENTS ALLOWS HUMAN RIGHTS PEOPLE TO STAY IN PLACE, TO LIVE IN PLACE.
UM, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST MEETING, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRODUCT HERE FOR EVERYBODY IN YOUR RIGHTS.
SO, UM, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK, UH, IF I HAD MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK I COULD, UH, EVEN ELABORATE MORE, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT ON THIS IS, UH, IS THAT IT FIT TO THIS SITE.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SITE YOUR LOCATIONS AND MIDDLETOWN, LEBANON, AND FLORENCE, ALL THREE COMMUNITIES, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, UH, TWO OF WHICH I TRAVELED TO MORE THAN ONE.
UH, BUT, UM, SO IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, WHERE WAS THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT EXACTLY THE SAME, AND WAS IT PLACED IN ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES OR WAS IT, OR WAS IT PLACED ON, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPING LAND? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO, UM, YOUR, MY PERCEPTION IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PUT A PRODUCT, WHICH I DON'T SEE A SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE IT'S COMBINED BUILDINGS WHERE TWO FAMILIES IN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND, AND, AND VERY WELL DEF YOU KNOW, PIECES OF LAND.
SO I GUESS AS THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, WHY AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHEN I, WHEN YOU CAN MAP OUT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, ACRES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS AVAILABLE, TOPOGRAPHY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME.
UM, I MEAN, WITH THE, WITH THE DIRT AND THE CLAY THAT WE GOT HERE IN THE CITY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT ABOUT ANYWHERE YOU GO.
SO IT JUST HEALED HILLS ROCKS AND CREEKS AFTER THAT AND TREES.
UM, SO I, I GUESS THAT IS WHY, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO DO WHAT I, WHAT I FIND AS MULTIFAMILY, UM, OR, OR DUPLEX TOWN, HOME TYPE STYLE INSTEAD OF THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT YOU'RE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOWN IN THE QUAIL RIDGE, UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN SOME OF YOUR OTHER PRODUCTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THOSE ARE, THOSE WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY, THE ONES THAT QUAIL RIDGE.
SO THESE ARE, UM, LEGAL EASE OR FEE SIMPLE LOTS.
SO THEY WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
UH, THEY'RE NOT MULTIFAMILY UNITS TYPICALLY, OR, UM, MORE THAN TWO, UM, UNLESS YOU'RE, UNLESS YOU'RE DOING 'EM ON ONE SINGLE LOT, THESE ARE ON SEPARATE LOTS.
SO THEY ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
YOU DO OWN THE LOT THAT YOU'RE ON, WHERE, WHEREAS IN MULTIFAMILY, YOU DON'T OWN THE LOT THAT YOU'RE ON, YOU OWN YOUR UNIT.
SO, UM, UH, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, SO, AND WHITE STONE LINKS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S NEXT TO ACE.
IT IS, UH, BUT THE UNITS, UH, BUT A SINGLE FAMILY
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DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO, UM, YOUR RIGHTS AND YOU, AND I BELIEVE THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.THAT ONE IS SOMEWHAT NEAR A GOLF COURSE, BUT IT'S NEXT TO A NEXT TO A GOLF COURSE NEXT TO THE GOLF COURSE.
YEAH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MUNICIPAL BOONE COUNTY GOLF COURSE, AND I GUESS THAT'S, MY STRUGGLE IS, IS WHY THIS PRODUCT HERE.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND I, AND I, I I'VE RESEARCHED A LOT OF YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, THE REGION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, MANY, IF NOT ALL, ARE DOING VERY WELL.
UM, BUT IT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHY THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT HERE, UM, I MEAN, WHEN I'M SURE THAT YOUR, YOUR INTERNAL FOLKS HAVE LOOKED AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKED AT THE GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS LOCATION STUCK OUT TO YOU, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, INTERNALLY IT'S ME AND IT'S BOB.
SO IT'S, UH, FISHER HOMES IS WHO I SELL THE LOTS TO.
SO, SO, UM, SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE ME, UH, SO I LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IT IS A GUIDELINE FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? IT'S A BLUEPRINT.
AND, UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR THERE'S MULTIPLE PRODUCT TYPES TYPES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO I WILL REITERATE, I LOOKED AT THIS SITE, UM, THE PRODUCT, LIKE WE'VE BUILT ANOTHER OTHER, THAT FISHER HAS BUILT.
ANOTHER LOCATION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S WORKED, IT'S WORKED WELL AGAIN AS IT ABUTS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE IDENTIFIED THIS SITE FOR THIS PRODUCT.
AND YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M SITTING NOW, THOUGH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PART OF THAT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT I HAVE TO REVIEW INTERNALLY WITH THE RESEARCH THAT I HAVE.
SO I HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DEFINE WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH YOUR PRODUCT.
DOES THAT, THOSE, THOSE DEFINITIONS MEET THERE.
UM, AND, AND I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MANY THINGS I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
SO MARY THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME IN SHRINKING.
THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ONE PERSON TO HAVE.
UM, I SENT A MESSAGE TO YOU, BRIAN, CONCERNING A POTENTIAL NEW DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT TO MIND WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID THAT THEY DO ACTIVE HUNTING ON THE LOTS BEHIND THERE.
I DID NOT GET A RESPONSE FROM YOU.
I WAS GONNA HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.
UM, I'D LIKE TO READ THE EMAIL JUST FOR THE RECORD.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? I MEAN, I CAN, I GUESS, OKAY.
I SAID AFTER THE DISCLOSURE FROM A NEIGHBOR OF THE PROPOSED AG AND TIM PLACE DEVELOPMENT, THAT HUNTING WAS CONDUCTED ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, I CONDUCTED RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHAT CODES EXISTED TO PROTECT BOTH THE RESIDENTS OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE RIGHTS OF THE NEIGHBORS TO HUNT ON THEIR PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH CURRENT HUNTING REGS, MY INITIAL RESEARCH, NOT CODES REVEALED THAT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN HUNT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IF IT IS FIVE ACRES OR LARGER DEER STANDS MAY BE NO CLOSER THAN 400 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES AND FACING AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT MY INTEREST WAS IN FINDING ACTUAL CODES.
I SPOKE WITH JAY RICHARDS AT OHIO DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE TO DETERMINE WHETHER STATE CODES EXISTED FOR THIS SITUATION.
HE SAID THERE WERE NOT, AND THE CODES WOULD BE ESTABLISHED AT THE MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITY LEVEL.
HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THIS COULD BE A VERY STICKY WICKET IN THAT IT WOULD INVOLVE NOISE, NUISANCE AND GUN RIGHT ISSUES.
WE ALSO NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF BERM OR OTHER STRUCTURES NECESSARY TO PROTECT FUTURE HOMEOWNERS.
BUT I THINK WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS EVERYONE'S RIGHTS.
I THEN CALLED CHIEF LIGHTENER TO SEE IF HE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ISSUES RELATED TO HAVING HUNTING ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AS DEVELOPMENT MOVES EAST, THIS SITUATION WILL BECOME MORE COMMON.
HE INDICATED HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH BRIAN, DON MAILLARD, AND ANYONE ELSE TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN A NEW ORDINANCE.
BUT WITH THAT INTERIM PLACE AND THE NEW PAINTBALL FACILITY BEING PROPOSED WOULD BE GUIDED BY THIS NOTE NEW CODE, WHICH MEANS WE SHOULD
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PROBABLY PUT ANY FURTHER ACTION ON THEM ON HOLD UNTIL THIS NEW CODE IS DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED.I HOPE WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS QUICKLY SO THAT THESE DEVELOPERS KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.
I MEAN, THE, THE CITY HAS LAWS AND ORDINANCES IN REGARDS TO YOUR ABILITY TO HUNT ON YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? NOPE.
SO YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GOVERN THE USE OF THE TYPE OF WEAPON, UM, TO BE USED.
AND THEN THE STATE SETS, UH, HAS A DIVISION OF WILDLIFE THAT ALSO HAS THEIR OWN RULES, CORRECT? NO, WHEN I CALLED THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE IN COLUMBUS, THEY SAID, NO, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, OR DOES THAT, IS THAT THE STATE WILDLIFE OFFICIALS? NO.
SO IT'D BE THE STATE WILDLIFE OFFICIALS WHERE YOU WOULD GET YOUR HUNTING LICENSE.
UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING LICENSES ARE MARKED CONCERNS ARE, IS THAT WE ARE NOW BUDDING INTO, INTO RURAL AREA.
YOU'RE IN, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD HERE HAS DONE THAT YET.
SO AS WE MOVE EAST, UH, WE ARE RUNNING INTO LARGER, LOTS, MORE FARMING, HUNTING, AND ALL THOSE ISSUES.
AND WE HAVE NOT REALLY SET UP IN, UH, CITY CODES THAT TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WEAPON THEY CAN USE WHEN THEY HUNT, HOW CLOSE THEY CAN BE TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, WHAT THE, UH, UM, WHAT PROTECTIONS HAVE TO BE PUT UP TO SEPARATE THE RESIDENTIAL FROM THE HUNTING AREAS.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE PLEASED CHIEF YOU'VE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.
SO I'M JUST ASKING, I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO ASK THE CITY AS WERE THIS, THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC TO YOU BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER, UH, PROJECT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, BUT AS WE'RE MOVING EAST TO THE LOTS, GET INTO MORE ACREAGE, WE'RE GOING TO FACE THIS MORE AND MORE, AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT NOW RATHER THAN LATER.
I WOULD SAY THAT IF I WERE A RESIDENT, EVEN A CURRENT RESIDENT ON THERE, I WOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED THE CURRENT RESIDENT ON ONE OF THE ACRES, LOTS.
IF, IF THAT'S, I WOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED THERE, IF THE CONCERN IS FOR THESE PEOPLE ALSO.
AND I THINK THERE'S, UH, UH, UH, BOB HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT, UH, I I'M ALL FOR, UH, EVAN SAFETY HERE.
UM, I THINK THE BURDEN, SOME OF THE BURDEN IS ON THE HUNTERS AS IF THEY'RE USING WEAPONS THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THE HUNTING THAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY ARE DOING THEIR HUNTING THAT, UH, IN A, UM, INAPPROPRIATE WAY, THEN I THINK THERE'S, UH, REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY CAN, THAT HAS FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T HAVE FOR THOSE SO WELL.
OH, I WAS SURPRISED FROM THE LAST CO LAST MEETING.
THE COMMENT FROM THAT RESIDENT, I DID REACH OUT AND CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I DID NOT TALK TO THE CHIEF, BUT I TALKED TO AN ADMINISTRATOR THERE, THERE IS NO DISCHARGE OF FIRMS AND LAW ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
WELL THAT'S SO W SO WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE CROSSBOW? WOULD IT BE DEER? OKAY.
DEER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHITE TAIL DEER SEASON, BUT GUN SEASON IS ONLY LIKE ONE WEEK OF THE YEAR.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALL ARROW HUNTING AND DEER GUN SEASON.
LIKE ONE WEEK AROUND THANKSGIVING, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED THE, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE FOUND, AND THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO FIND THE CODES.
THIS IS WHY I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THIS, BECAUSE THE INFORMATION I FOUND SAID THAT IF YOU OWN FIVE ACRES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HUNT WHITE TAIL DEER ON YOUR PROPERTY.
I DON'T, I, I, I, I WOULDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.
AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, NOBODY UP HERE KNOWS THE ANSWER.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE CURRENT LAWS ARE, HOW WE PROTECT ANY POTENTIAL RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE IN ALL THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE YEARS AS WE MOVE EAST.
I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD, UH, AS THE DEVELOPER, I WOULD TRUST IN THE CITY THAT THAT WOULD BE REGULATED CORRECTLY.
AND, UM, THAT THE NEW, THAT, THAT IN THE NEW POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE, THAT THE NEW PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD ALSO TRUST IN THE CITY FOR THAT PROTECTION.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY SURPRISING THAT YOU WOULD MOVE IN THERE AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOOTING AT YOUR HOUSE.
UM, I THAT'S, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, IT IS
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THE CONCERN THAT FROM YOU, THAT THESE PEOP THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SHOTS BEING FIRED INTO THE ROOM.NO, THAT'S JUST SHOOTING AT THEIR HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHOOTING AT THEIR HOUSE, BUT YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT NOISE REGULATIONS.
WE'VE GOT NUISANCE REGULATIONS.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE ARE GONNA WANT TO HEAR GUNFIRE OUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIME.
SO UNTIL WE CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT W WITH THE HUNTING THAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON ANY NEW RESIDENTS MOVING IN THERE, I DON'T FEEL, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IT TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S JUST POPPED UP NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING EAST AND WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO I'M, UH, I'M JUST GOING TO STOP THIS DISCUSSION HERE FOR A MINUTE.
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE WAY OVER IN LEFT FIELD HERE.
UM, WE HAVE, I OPENED THIS DISCUSSION BY SAYING WE'RE SHORT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS, THIS EVENING, THIS WOULD MOVE TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
THOSE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE HERE.
UH, I WAS AWARE OF THE EMAIL THAT NANCY SENT, CERTAINLY PLANNING ON HAVING A DISCUSSION TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE LAWS AND REGULATIONS ARE.
THOSE ARE ALL INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY HAS TO HAPPEN IN A, IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE ALL INTERNAL LAWS REGULATIONS THAT WE CAN FIND OUT AND FIGURE OUT, UM, AND NOT KEEP TAKING SHOTS ACROSS THE BOW.
UH, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE.
UM, YOU'VE PRESENTED A PROPOSAL.
IT'S NOT ILLEGAL, UM, AND IT MEETS THE CODE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAINLY PEOPLE ARE SAFE, THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE UNSAFE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS LIKE THAT, THAT COME UP, THOSE ARE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WE CAN HAVE THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN IF WE FIND OUT THAT OUR CODE IS MISSING SOMETHING THAT'S SHORT, AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MISSED, AND WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT DEALS WITH THAT, THEN WE HAVE A LAW DIRECTOR ON STAFF WHO CAN CERTAINLY PROPOSE AND PREPARE THAT LEGISLATION, UM, TO PRESENT TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS, IT CLEARLY IS, IS SAFE.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU STANDING THERE.
SO, UH, AND, AND SIR, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A SHOT AT YOU.
IT WAS NOT, IT WAS JUST THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT AS WE'RE DEVELOPING A, THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE AND THAT EVERYBODY YOU'RE PROTECTED, IT'S TRANSPARENT.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED BEFORE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND IT, UH, IT, IT GETS THE JUICES FLOWING.
I FIND OUT, I MEAN, JUST BY LOOKING AT THAT, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE, BUT YOURS ARE FIVE ACRES OR MORE.
I KNOW THERE'S THE, I THINK THE BIG ONE, THERE WAS, I THINK HE SAID ABOUT 14 OR 15 ACRES OR 10, 15 ACRES.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT IT WHEN NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE THAT THIS IS A MONUMENTAL WASTE OF TIME.
RICHARD, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, I DID MATTER.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH A, WITH A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND, AND MAYOR, BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE PODIUM THAT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN HAD A CON UH, COMMUNICATION WITH MR. D.
I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD ALLOW MR. DEAK AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO PROVIDE HIS INSIGHT FOR THE RECORD ON HOW THAT MEETING WENT AND WHAT, WHAT TOOK PLACE.
UM, IF IT, MR. D WOULD LIKE TO SEND AN EMAIL, I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THAT, BUT WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WHEN THIS COMES UP IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ALLOW MANY RESIDENTS TO SPEAK AGAIN, THANK YOU.
I CAN SAY QUICKLY IT WAS MYSTIQUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT IT WAS VERY CONSTRUCTIVE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT EVERYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS HAS BEEN FAIR AND BEEN PROFESSIONAL.
UM, I DON'T GET THAT EVERYWHERE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT OF THE CITY.
UM, IT, IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE AND THERE'S GOOD PEOPLE HERE.
UM, AND IT HAS BEEN GOOD WORKING WITH EVERYBODY.
MAKES YOUR TAKE, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS YOU'D LOVE TO, I'D REALLY EXCEEDED ME OUT FOR YOU ABOUT, ABOUT YOUR INTERPRETATION OF HOW THE MEETING WENT.
IF YOU HAD SENT A COUNSELING EMAIL AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF HOW THE MEETING WENT, THAT YOU HAD LOOSER BERLIN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
IF YOU'VE SENT US AN EMAIL, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING US ON TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION UNTIL WE GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, AND WE HAVE ALL COUNSELORS PRESENT
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THIS MOVE TO US FROM A SECOND GREEN TO A THIRD.[ Construction - New City Hall/Senior Center]
WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CITY HALL AND SENIOR CENTER, UH, AT THE, UH, TARGET AREA OF THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.UH, THERE IS, UH, IN MARION MEADOWS, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, BECAUSE THE LIBRARY IS GOING TO BE, UH, BUILT THERE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE GROWING IN THE CITY, WE'RE GROWING AS A STAFF, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A SENIOR CENTER WAY BACK, YOU KNOW, LAST FALL AND SUMMER THAT WE HAD SOME SENIORS HERE AT THE, AT THE MEETING AND WAS TALKING ABOUT A NEW SENIOR CENTER.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MONEY THAT WE NEEDED TO INVEST IN THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO, UH, WE HAD HAD A DISCUSSION TALK ABOUT COMBINING A NEW CITY OR FACILITY OR A NEW MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL FACILITY WITH, UM, UH, POTENTIALLY ATTACHED SENIOR CENTER THERE AT THE SITE, UM, WITH THE LIBRARY.
AND, UH, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE AND WHEN TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW, WE'VE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE BUILDINGS COME DOWN.
WE KNOW WE HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE PR THE CR DAYTON PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE STRIP CENTER THAT FACES ONTO BRAND PIKE.
UH, LWCC, WE'RE WAITING THOSE DOCUMENTS, THOSE DRAWINGS, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, STARTING THAT REMODELING PROJECT SOON.
SO I THINK THE SOONER THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUT OUR FOOT ON THE GAS ON THIS AND START LOOKING TO WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE THERE, UH, THE BETTER.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP SO HE CAN START HAVING DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING THERE.
WE HAVE TWO OTHER, UH, MUNICIPAL FACILITIES FROM TAX AND WATER.
UH, AND BRIAN CAN ELABORATE THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO, BUT WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE PAYING UPWARDS OF $50,000 A YEAR IN ANNUAL RENT, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, WHERE IF WE VACATED SOME AREA IN THIS BUILDING, UM, TO, UH, ANOTHER FACILITY, WE CAN, UH, THAT'S MONEY THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN SAVE THERE AND HAVE THAT ALL IN HOUSE.
UH, MAYBE EVEN IT'S A CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER AND A COUNCIL CHAMBER WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GO, THEY KNOW THAT THEY GOTTA PAY THEIR WATER BILL, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR TAXES, OR, UM, THEY NEED TO GET ZONING CERTIFICATES OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THEY GOT ALL SINGLE KIND OF PLACE TO GO TO.
SO THIS IS JUST, I WOULD SAY THE BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, AND IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT SOME MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, UH, MAKE SENSE AT THE BRAND PIKE SITE NEXT TO THE NEW LIBRARY.
SO, UM, I WILL STOP MY COMMENTS THERE.
UM, WOULD ASK BRIAN FOR JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISSED OR ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IT ON GLEN.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO GLEN FOR COMMENTS.
UH, JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE 100% BEHIND, UM, ANY PLANS THAT COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE AVAILABLE.
IF YOU LOOK AROUND, UH, WE'VE CLEARLY OUTGROWN OUR NEEDS, UH, OR WE'VE CLEARLY OUTGROWN OUR SPACE HERE AT CITY HALL, WE'VE GOT SOME STORAGE, UH, AND ACCOMMODATION ISSUES AT OUR RENTED LOCATION OVER AT THE HUBER CENTER WITH ITEMS IN STORAGE.
UM, AND WE, AS STAFF ARE HAPPY TO FACILITATE WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO ON THIS.
SO THE ROOM IS DEFINITELY NEEDED.
UH, AND I THINK THAT, UM, IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE THE APPROPRIATE ARCHITECT, UH, SURVEY OF COUNCIL WANTS, AND STAFF NEEDS WOULD PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PROJECT FOR, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO GET BEHIND STAFF GET BEHIND IN THE COMMUNITY TO RALLY AROUND, UH, TO HELP FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT OVER AT THE MARION MEADOWS AREA.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF A NEW MUNICIPAL BUILDING THERE THAT WOULD HOUSE.
I COULD SEE THE SENIOR CENTER AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT BUILDING'S PRETTY OLD.
WE COULD, WE COULD REDO THAT, THAT LOT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SELL IT, PUT SOMETHING ELSE ON IT, WHATEVER.
UM, WE'VE, UH I CAN CERTAINLY SEE MOVING TAX AND WATER OVER THERE.
UM, THAT WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE STUDYING IN OUR BUILDINGS.
WE'RE NOT THROWING THAT OUT THE WINDOW.
UH, I DON'T SEE A NEW CITY HALL.
MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT SPACE IS FINITE.
THIS IS NOT JUST A CONTINUOUS OPEN AMOUNT OF SPACE.
AND THE MORE WE USE FOR US, THE LESS WE HAVE LEFT TO CREATE WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ASKED FOR IT TO BEGIN WITH, UM, WHICH IS THAT WALKABLE, UH, PRESENTATION OF WHAT OUR DOWNTOWN WOULD BE.
UM, I JUST, I WANT TO KEEP IT MINIMAL WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PERSONAL USE SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THIS SPACE TO CREATE THE SPACE THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT IT.
AND I THINK IN A NEW CITY HALL WAS CERTAINLY TAKE UP A LARGE PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT CAN BE USED FOR SEVERAL OTHER USES PROBABLY.
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SO THEN THERE'S MY TAKE ON IT.DEVO DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN THAT PROPERTY YET.
SO WHAT, WHAT OVERALL AND IN THE WHOLE PROJECT, I MEAN, WE DID A, UM, A CONCEPT DRAWING TO CHOSE APARTMENTS, RETAIL, UH, BUT WASN'T IT, OUR INTENT TO HAVE, UH, A DEVELOPER COME IN AND, AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND BASICALLY, UM, SELL TO THE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME IN OR LEASE TO THEM.
I MEAN, THE CITY WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THE CITY TO DEVELOP ALL THAT PROPERTY, TO BUILD ALL THE, THE HOUSING AND EVERYTHING TO BECOME LANDLORDS MORE OR LESS.
I THINK WE, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO, UM, PROVIDE A SPACE THAT THE DEVELOPERS WOULD WANT TO BE.
AND I, AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT.
I THINK THE, THE LIBRARY IS THE, IS THE ANCHOR.
I THINK IT IS THE, UM, IT'S, THE LIBRARY MAKES IT A CIVIL SPACE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CIVIL SPACE, THE, UM, THE PLAN THAT WAS DONE AND THE STUDY AND THE SURVEY FOR THE REVITALIZATION CALLED FOR SOME SENIOR HOUSING.
SO THERE, THERE ARE COMPONENTS TO ALL OF THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A, A PART TO PLAY IN THAT THAT MAKES THE, THE OVERALL SITE DEVELOPMENT WORTHY.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, THIS ISN'T NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING TO, TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH ALREADY ESTABLISHED PROPERTY.
AND, UH, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION, I DON'T THINK ABOUT MARY MEADOWS, I THINK STRATEGICALLY ON A MUCH BIGGER, BIGGER SCALE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO KITTREDGE.
THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CHAMBERSBURG.
THAT IS, THAT IS TRUE REDEVELOPMENT OF, OF THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
NOW I, UM, WHAT SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS DEVELOPERS ARE YOU BRIAN? BRIAN WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE UPDATES FOR THE, FOR US AS THOSE COME, BUT I HAVE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, WHEN WE ALL STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS AND AGREED UNANIMOUSLY, THERE WASN'T ANY, NO VOTES ON ANY OF THIS, THAT WE WERE GOING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT TO REDEVELOP.
AND IF, AND IF THAT MEANS THAT THE CITY, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CATALYST IS IN THE MUNICIPAL SPACE NEXT TO THE LIBRARY AND THE SENIOR CENTER.
THAT'S WHY, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND YOU KNOW, WE, UM, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING AIDEN THAT YOU SAID GLEN, CAUSE I, CAUSE I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT POINT TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S UNTIL WE HAVE, UH, ENGAGED IN AN ARCHITECT THAT CAN HELP US DETERMINE WHAT THE SPACE NEEDS TO BE AND WHAT ALL IT NEEDS, UH, WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UH, I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS I'D LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL BE OKAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CITY MANAGER, TO ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT.
SO WE CAN START THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO FIGURE OUT THROUGH SURVEYS WITH COUNCIL, MAYBE THE COMMUNITY FIGURING OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WOULD SERVE BEST THERE NEXT TO THE LIBRARY.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE STILL SIX MONTHS FROM NOW TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS WE'RE GOING TO DO.
SO I WAS THINKING, SO MR. CAMPBELL AND HIS HANDS, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO RICHARD.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE BEST UNDERSTOOD WHAT MY QUESTION.
WELL, SO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WRONG WAY AROUND IS BRIAN WILL UPDATES, BUT IT'S JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR A CITY HALL AND A, AND A SENIOR CENTER DEVELOPERS.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHAT BRIAN, I MEAN, THAT WILL COME THROUGH.
BRIAN, AS PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN, CALLS ARE MADE AND WE'RE, HE'LL PRESENT THAT TO US.
AND I GUESS I WAS JUST ASKING IF WE'VE HAD ANY INTEREST.
I THINK THOSE UPDATES ARE FORTHCOMING.
UH, BRIAN, WE ARE CURRENTLY SITTING IN ABOUT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING 5001ST FLOOR OR 5002ND FLOOR.
I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND SUCH TAKES UP ABOUT 20% OF THAT SPACE, ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET,
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UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH QUITE A FEW FORMER, UH, CITY MANAGERS, WE ARE CRAMPED FOR SPACE HERE.NO, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM, SIR.
SO I THINK IT MAKES SOME SENSE MOVING THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO ANOTHER LOCATION BECAUSE YOU AND STAFF COULD USE THE ROOM THAT WE'RE OCCUPYING HERE NOW, IS THAT CLOSE TO ACCURATE? YES, SIR.
WE COULD TAKE EVERY INCH OF THIS AND THEN SOME, OKAY.
AND THEN, UH, MAYOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RENTING SPACE AND BRINGING THEM IN HOUSE TO THE LOCATION ON BRAND PIKE.
I THINK YOU RENTED COUNCIL RENTED THE, THE OLD SPACE BEFORE WE BUILT THIS BUILDING, CORRECT? YES.
SO, SO I THINK IT DOES MAKE GOOD SENSE IF WE DID MOVE CITY COUNCIL TO THAT NEW LOCATION, AS WELL AS THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RENTING SPACE FOR, INTO THAT FACILITY, ALONG WITH A SENIOR CENTER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING? YES.
AND NONETHELESS, UH, YOU'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE BRIAN REACH OUT, BRING SOMEONE IN AN ARCHITECT IN AND START TO LAY SOME IDEAS OUT IN BRIAN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE TO INITIATE A MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND, AND GETTING SOME IDEAS ON PAPER TO PRESENT BACK TO US? YES.
THERE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SOLICIT A PROPOSAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
RICHARD, DID YOU HAVE, I DID MARY, THANK YOU.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE KIND OF COMBINING THESE TWO AGENDA ITEMS F AND CHAIN KINDA SORTA SORTA SOUNDS LIKE IT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON TOPIC HERE.
WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT UPDATES FOR THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION, THE SENIOR CENTER, THE CITY HALL, UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, I'M, I'M MORE IN TUNE TO REVERT BACK TO OUR SPECIAL, UM, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THAT TOOK PLACE ON AUGUST 31ST OF LAST YEAR, WHEN YOU MAYOR AND THIS COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL WITH UPDATED DRAWINGS AND INFORMATION THAT I HAVE NOT YET SEEN.
SO I, I REALLY CAN'T HAVE A ABOUT EITHER OF THESE TWO AGENDA ITEMS WHEN I I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT INFORMATION.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, UPDATES FROM, YOU KNOW, LWCC ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND.
UM, WE, WE CAME OUT OF THAT AUGUST 31ST MEETING, UNLESS YOU CORRECT ME, UH, FOR ANY MISINFORMATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT, UM, UPDATED DRAWING AN ARCHITECT INFORMATION, WE WERE THEN GOING TO ASK THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF COVID A LOT OF CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM THERE.
WE WERE GOING TO PUT SOME INFORMATION OUT TO THEM AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME STAFFING CHANGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT I REALLY THINK WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THE CART, THE BUGGY AND THE STAGECOACH BEFORE THE HORSE.
AND, UM, I JUST REALLY WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WE'RE AT NOW, UM, BECAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE IN, AND, UH, I CAN SEE BOTH, YOU KNOW, UM, SITUATIONS I CAN SEE, UH, UH, I DEFINITELY BELIEVE A SENIOR CENTER, UH, CONCEPT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
I DEFINITELY BELIEVE I MUNICIPAL OFFICES OF, OF S UH, TAX WATER, UM, PARKS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SENIOR OR A COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OFFICES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT'S ALREADY SET UP FOR THAT.
UM, SO I, I THINK REALLY AN OVERALL ANALYSIS OF WHAT AREAS WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, BEFORE WE START, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM SHOVELS IN THE GROUND, BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT FAR FROM HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS.
WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL IS TO, IS TO AUTHORIZE BRIAN, TO ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT.
SO WE CAN START HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND DECIDING, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED HIM.
HE KNOWS THAT WE DON'T NEED MORE MUNICIPAL SPACE.
SO, SO IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT, NOBODY HAS SAID WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY MORE MUNICIPAL SPACE.
SO IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MUNICIPAL SPACE AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE HERE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO STILL BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION UP HERE GOING, WELL, WE NEED SOME MORE MUNICIPAL SPACE AND WE'VE NEVER ENGAGED AN ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO HELP US DECIDE
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WHAT THAT SPACE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.AND I DON'T MEAN PHYSICALLY OR AESTHETICALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE, WHAT COLOR IT'S GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, WHAT THE SPACE IS GOING TO ENTAIL, WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? WHAT MAXIMIZES THE SPACE? HOW CAN IT BE DESIGNED TO GIVE US THE EFFICIENCY THAT WE NEED? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT AN ARCHITECT WILL BE ABLE TO DO ALONG WITH TELLING US WHAT COLOR.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S ON HERE THIS EVENING.
SO WE ARE STARTING THE DISCUSSION IN THE CONVERSATION AND KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.
UH, BUT WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, I GUESS OUT OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN UP BY THE LIBRARY WHAT'S ALREADY BEING, YOU KNOW, ASSUMED BY, BY DOGTOWN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I GUESS FROM THAT AUGUST 31ST, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION, WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT TO BUILD UPON? WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT THAT'S IN THE HOPPER THAT WE'RE ALREADY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH CERTAIN DEVELOPERS ON, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THAT CITY CONCEPT? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE TAKING UP, YOU KNOW, 25% OF WHAT'S LEFT OVER THAT LEAVES 75% TO BE DEVELOPED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR, CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT I WOULD AGREE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF CITY CONCEPT OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
LOOKING FORWARD AS A WAY IS THERE IS A PATH FORWARD WHERE WE CAN START TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED MUNICIPAL SPACE.
SO, SO IF THAT'S A PLACE TO START, WE KNOW THE LIBRARY IS BIG MUNICIPAL SPACE.
IF WE HAVE A PLACE FOR TAX WATER.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL CHAMBER AND THE SENIOR CENTER, THAT, THAT IS A GREAT STAR ALONG WITH DOGTOWN AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE OLD SHOPPING CENTER THERE AND BRIAN PREGNANT I'M WRONG, BUT THAT STILL LEAVES A LOT OF SPACE.
I GUESS JUST A PIECE OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, WE'RE, IT'S YOUR THOUGHT, I GUESS, AND HAVING THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A NEW CITY HALL OR JUST COUNCIL CHAMBERS, I THINK.
UM, AND, AND HAVING STAFF TAKE OVER THIS SPACE OR STAFF THE SPACE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO MOVE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ANOTHER LOCATION WHEN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE HERE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO I THINK GETTING THIS, I MEAN, THIS PART OF THIS BUILDING THIS WHOLE DOWNSTAIRS OVER HERE INTO ANOTHER SPACE THAT FREES UP ALL THIS SPACE, AND BRIAN SAID THEY COULD USE EVERY OUNCE OF THIS SPACE AND THEN SOME, UM, FOR, FOR THE REST OF THE STAFF HAVE WHAT THEY NEED.
SO YEAH, I'M THINKING IT'S A PLACE WHERE COUNCIL MEETS, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC COMES TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT'S WHERE THOSE FACILITIES, THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE CONNECTED TO A SENIOR CENTER.
SO NOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT'S CONNECTED AND THE SIZE OF EACH, THAT'S, WHAT WE NEED AN ARCHITECT TO, TO HELP US COMPREHEND, UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND HOW WE WOULD UTILIZE THE SPACE.
I CAN TELL YOU TODAY THAT I'M DOWN WITH THE IDEA OF A MUNICIPAL CONCEPT, BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SEE WHAT THE ARCHITECT BRINGS BACK.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE FOOTPRINT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE I CAN, YOU KNOW, FULLY PUT A HUNDRED PERCENT INTO, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
BUT I THINK SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNS OPEN HOW'S THAT? PERFECT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS IN THE PROCESS AND I THINK, AND THIS IS JUST THE FIRST SHEET.
CAUSE WHAT I DO KNOW RICHARD IS THAT THERE WON'T BE A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
THERE WON'T BE ANY CONTRACTORS.
THERE WON'T BE ONE BRICK LAID UNTIL WE HIRE AN ARCHITECT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S WRONG.
THEN MY RAMBLING HELP YOU THOUGH.
YES, I, RICHARD, I DO APPRECIATE YOU.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET OFF INTO LEFT FIELD, SO YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, AS FAR AS GETTING AN ARCHITECT ON BOARD TO, UH, KIND OF GIVE US A, A DESIGN AND SOME, UM, MOCKUPS OR WHATEVER OF WHAT THE SPACE COULD BE, I'M TOTALLY DOWN FOR THAT.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, AND VERY SPECIFICALLY IN EMAILS FOR THAT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, MY QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE INPUT FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE? WHAT ARE OUR GOAL OR DREAM OR VISUAL IS GOING TO BE FOR THE SPACE? WHERE DOES THE INPUT COME TO THE ARCHITECT FROM? WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE US.
I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD HOLD A SPECIAL, A SPECIAL WORK SESSION WHERE WE GOT THE ARCHITECT HERE AND WE GET TO HAVE THAT OPEN DISCUSSION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING WHERE EVERYBODY HAS INPUT ON WHAT THEY THINK THAT MUNICIPAL SPACE, UH, SHOULD HAVE AND SHOULD ENTAIL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOCK ANYBODY'S OPINIONS.
I JUST THINK THAT'S THAT'S STEP ONE.
AND MAYBE EVEN A TOWN HALL, EVEN TO HAVE RESIDENTS IN HERE TO PROVIDE THEIR OPINION ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
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OKAY WITH THAT AGAIN.I ALSO AGREE THAT STEP ONE, WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT, PLACE IT INTO A VISUAL IDEA THAT WE CAN PURSUE.
AND THEN WE FIND THE DEVELOPER THAT SAYS, I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
I'M GOING TO GET ON BOARD WITH YOU.
I THINK THAT IS STEP ONE AND WE NEED TO GET ON AS SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, I THINK WE'VE PUT IT OFF FAR TOO LONG.
THE, THE RE BRAND PIKE, REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHOLE THING JUMPED OFF.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE AT NOW? FIVE YEARS AGO? AND THAT'S TOO LONG.
I REMEMBER BEING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, PUTTING THE BLUE DOTS FOR THE LIBRARY ON THE MAP.
UM, SO YEAH, SO I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, HAVING, UM, STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH, UH, I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME, I'LL SAY IT'S PROBABLY, I MEAN, LWCC IS A, IS AN ARCHITECT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST LBC IS WHO DESIGNED THE ACTUAL LIBRARY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS SPACE.
SO WE'VE ALL BEEN TO, UM, KIND OF THE LIBRARY TOWN HALL THEY HAD WHERE THE BC ARCHITECTURE THERE, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, FEATURES AND COLORS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S A RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE.
I CERTAINLY WOULD THINK WE WANT TO FIND OUT IF LWCC HAS AN INTEREST IN, IN DESIGNING.
UM, AND THEN WHATEVER PROCESS NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT BRIAN, I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME YOU CAN, YOU CAN HANDLE THAT.
UNLESS COUNSEL WOULD LIKE MULTIPLE BECAUSE LWCC IS SO INGRAINED IN THIS, UH, MY IDEA WAS TO JUST SIMPLY CONTACT THEM AND ASK FOR A PROPOSAL AND SPELL OUT WHAT WE WANTED, UH, INCLUDED FOR THE WORK AND THEN HAVE THAT SUBMITTED FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
AND IF IT WAS SATISFACTORY TO COUNCIL, WE WOULD SIMPLY AWARD A NO BID PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT TO THEM.
BASED ON THAT PROPOSAL, THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS IT'S NOT ABOUT OTHER BC, NOT LWCC.
I DON'T WANT THIS AREA TO FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF HODGEPODGE PUT TOGETHER.
I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME CONTINUITY BETWEEN WHAT THE LIBRARY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT OUR CIVIC SPACE LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK THAT GIVES IT THE WHOLE AESTHETIC FEEL OF BEING A SPACE AND ACTIVATING THAT SPACE.
SO, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I LIKE ODBC.
I THINK IF WE DIDN'T USE IT ON THAT, WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE DESIGN OF THE LIBRARY, CAUSE THAT'S A 28,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE FRONT AND CENTER THAT HAS TO KIND OF, IT'S GOT A GEL.
IT HAS, IT HAS TO, HAS TO LOOK LIKE YOU'RE IN THE SAME SPACE.
WHEN YOU GO FROM THE LIBRARY, UM, TO THIS BUILDING, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE ARCHITECTS THAT'S DESIGNING THE THEY'RE THE NEW FACADE OF THE EXISTING CENTER.
SO HAVING ALL THAT TIED IN TOGETHER, I THINK IS IMPORTANT ON THAT, ON THAT SPACE.
I WOULD PERSONALLY PREFER TO SEE IT, TO GO OUT TO BID, UM, SEE IF WE CAN GET ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED.
UM, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THE MORE THE MERRIER AND IF WE CAN GET OTHERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN COMING UP WITH SOMETHING WHO KNOWS WHAT WE COULD GET, UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
WHO DO WE, BY CHANCE KNOW WHO'S DEVELOPING DOGTOWN, DO ANOTHER ORCHID.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHO IS THE DESIGNER THAT WAS, COULD WE FIND OUT THE ARCHITECT IS TED JOHANNSON, UH, TO CINCINNATI.
I BELIEVE THE JOHANNSEN IS ISN'T IT, BUT YES, MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE TUNE AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I MEAN, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND LWCC SO IF THERE'S, I MEAN, I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE NEITHER AGREE OR MAJORITY DISAGREE, UM, AND GIVING BRIAN DIRECTION HERE.
UH, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE SPACE, THE CIVIC SPACE IS GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE.
IF I'M SAYING MARION LANES, BOWLING ALLEY, AND LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LIBRARY TO THE RIGHT, I'M GOING TO, TO, UH, TO THE NORTH, I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BUILDING THAT THEY'VE REMODELED, UM, TO THE SOUTH THAT LWCC IS DESIGNING.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CIVIC SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT ALL THOSE TO BE, UM, TO RESEMBLE ONE ANOTHER.
UM, I, UM, I DO HAVE THE AGREEANCE THAT A GOING OUT TO BID ON THIS, JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT, WHEN YOU PUT OUT A BID FOR BUILDING THE LIBRARY, I THINK THAT GARNER CERTAIN ATTENTION FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE LIBRARIES AND THINGS.
I THINK WHEN YOU PUT OUT SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WITH MULTIPLE CITY COMPONENTS, I THINK YOU GET A DIFFERENT SET OF PROFESSIONALS.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
UM, I MEAN, WE SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, VANDELIA IS, YOU KNOW, SENIOR CENTER REC CENTER, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CENTERS LIKE ST YOU KNOW, ALL ACROSS THIS REGION, ALL DONE BY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS AND BUILDERS.
UM, I, I THINK WE WOULD BE DOING OURSELVES A DISSERVICE IF WE DIDN'T TRY TO GO OUT AND GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND WE DO LWCC.
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SO BE IT, BUT AT LEAST WE CAST THE NET WIDE TO SEE WHAT WAS AVAILABLE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA THAT I BELIEVE MARY YOU'VE SAID OF YOURSELF, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SPOTLIGHT OF OUR TOWN.WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BEST OF THE BEST IS THERE.
UM, AND I HAD NOTHING AGAINST ODBC.
I THINK THEY DO FIND WORK, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
SO JUST WHATEVER GUESS MARK, UH, BRIAN, WHO'S THE ARCHITECT ON THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL.
AND DID WE BID THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DID.
AND WHO IS THE ARCHITECT ON THE CR DAYTON PROPERTY THAT WE'RE REMODELING.
THAT WAS LWCC AND YOU BID THAT, THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS A DIRECT AWARD BASED ON THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH THE LIBRARY.
SO, SO MAYOR, I, I THINK THE STRONGEST PART THAT YOU MADE, UH, OUT OF ALL, THIS WAS THE CONTINUITY AMONG THE LOOK AND THE FILL FOR EVERYTHING.
SO I WOULD PERSONALLY BE OKAY.
SO THERE'S SIX OF SIX OF US HERE.
IF THERE ARE FOUR OF THESE OBJECT TO ALL OF YOU, SEE WE'VE BEEN, THEN I WOULD SAY THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO GO OUT FOR THE BITS IF THERE ARE, UM, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY, OBJECTION TO THAT, THEN I'D RECOMMEND BRAND NEW FORD WITH OTHER PC AUNTIE.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IS EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.
UH, EVERYBODY'S SAYING, LET'S MOVE ON THIS AND THEN CAN WE GO OUT AND COMPETE IT? IT'S JUST GOING TO DELAY IT AND HER MORE.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO JUST TAMP ON SOME OF THE LANGUAGE I'M NOT OBJECTING TO LWCC I DON'T DISLIKE LWCC IT'S NONE OF THAT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
I THINK IT WAS JUST POINTED OUT.
WE USED LWCC FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD A NEW VISUAL ON, ON ANYTHING.
UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING LWCC, DOESN'T HAVE THEIR FINGER ON THE PULSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ARCHITECT IN THIS AREA REGION.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S PLENTY EVERYWHERE AND IT'D BE KIND OF COOL TO GET SOME DIFFERENT VISUAL, SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS, SOME DIFFERENT THOUGHTS, MAYBE FROM SOME OTHERS THAT MAY BE, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE DONE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE FAIRLY SIMILAR.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THIS.
AND ALSO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T LABEL AS A MUNICIPAL PROJECT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT WASN'T THE GOAL.
UM, MR. CAMPBELL ASKED A VERY POINTED QUESTION TO ALL OF US.
NOT ALL OF US WERE HERE AT THE TIME, BUT TO ALL OF US, WHEN WE JUMPED OFF ON THIS, HE SAID, HEY, ARE YOU ON TO STEP OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF DROPPING THIS KIND OF CASH AND MAKING A MOVE LIKE THIS? AND I SAID, WELL, IF WE DO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, THEN ABSOLUTELY I'M WILLING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN AMAZING PROJECT WHEN IT'S OVER.
AND I THINK WE CAN GIVE THE RESIDENTS SOME THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY OPEN OUR MINDS AND JUST WHO KNOWS WHAT WE MAY END UP WITH.
UM, BUT WE, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO JUST ABOUT EVERY OPTION WE CAN ON THIS.
WHAT ALLOWS US TO, IF WE CHOOSE AS A COUNCIL, NOT TO BID THIS FOR LWCC, WE HAVE THE PROVISION IN OUR CODE TO WAIVE ANY AND ALL BIDS FOR ANY, ANY REASON THAT THE COUNSEL BELIEVES WOULD BE IN THE BEST OF TRUST IN THE CITY.
AND DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR I ALSO HAVE, WELL, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS WE CAN WAVE BIDS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS THAT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IS THAT HOW WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A, YOUR MID FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? FOR QUITE A FEW.
SO WE COULD GET NEW PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE IF WE WENT TO ANOTHER LAW FIRM, BUT YOU'VE PROVIDED PRETTY GOOD SERVICE AND WE'VE STUCK WITH YOU AND IS, YEAH.
UM, AND REGARDING OUR WATER MANAGEMENT COMPANY, IS THAT A SIMILAR REASON OR, OR WAY IN WHICH WE CONTINUE TO WAIVE THE BIDDING AND HIRE THEM? YES.
YOU, WHEN YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE SUEZ YES.
SUEZ AND IT'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AND SO ON, RIGHT? YES.
SO AGAIN, MAYOR I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH LWCC AND, AND I THINK THEIR TRACK RECORD AND THEIR THERE'S NO BETTER VISIONARIES THAN LWCC.
I MEAN, THE PRODUCT PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE ALL OVER THE REGION IS OUTSTANDING WITH.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I READ THAT.
I MEAN, I IT'S, I WOULD STILL SAY, UM, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF IT, IF THAT'S
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MARK'S RECOMMENDATION OR NATE'S RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, I STILL, I WOULD STILL NEED TO SEE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO AT THE OTHER THING ON THE MATTER COUNSEL WITH MY BAKER.UM, LWCC HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
UM, I'VE HAD PROBLEM IN THE PAST BIDDING SERVICE CONTRACTS, BUT, UM, BY MAJORITY, WHEN WE'VE EVER HAD ISSUES, UM, THAT ARE OUTSTANDING PROJECTS BY, UH, COMPANIES THAT WE'VE HAD SERVICE PROJECTS WITH, I'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS CONTINUING THAT PARTNERSHIP.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO, UH, REACH OUT TO LWCC AND GET MOVING ON THIS SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.
I THINK MOVING, IF WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE SEE, WE CAN GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
BRIAN, WOULD YOU REACH OUT TO LDBC AND START WITH, START THAT PROCESS? I WILL DO THAT, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
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THREE G, WHICH IS THE RAMP BIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT.SO IS THERE, UM, ANY FURTHER UPDATE? UH, JUST TWO QUICK ITEMS, BOTH, UH, CR DAYTON, THE NORTH END OF CR DAYTON.
AND, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE, UH, FURNITURE STORE ARE DOWN SLABS ARE COMING OUT, UH, THIS WEEK AND NEXT AND FINAL RESTORATION ON GROUNDWORK SHOULD BE COMPLETED THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
SO WE ANTICIPATE BEING IN A GO POSITION FOR DOGTOWN AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, UH, BY THE END OF, UH, BY THE END OF JANUARY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YES, RICHARD AS ALLUDED TO IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, UM, IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT AUGUST 31ST, 2021 INFORMATION? UM, SINCE WE ARE GOING TO REACH OUT TO LWCC FOR, UM, THIS ARCHITECT INFORMATION, I BELIEVE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER STATED WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US THIS CLEAN SLATE.
I BELIEVE COUNT'S MEMBER WEB USED, UM, UH, VIEW, UM, SO THAT WE CAN START THEN, UH, GOING OUT TO RESIDENTS AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION HERE, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING WITH ON HOW WE'RE MOVING THIS PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK THERE THERE'S UPDATES FOR A BIT FORTHCOMING BRIAN, ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY, SIR.
UPDATES WILL BE FORTHCOMING BUYING THE LAND THAT THERE.
I THINK WE HAD, THERE'S A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH HIM AND IT'S ALL PART OF THEIR PROCESS.
SO THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE STARTING PRETTY SOON.
THOSE ACTUALLY A VERY SPECIFIC TIMELINE THAT WE HAD WITH DOGTOWN THAT WE ENTERED INTO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU WENT TO THE POINT THAT IF THEY DON'T START MOVING BY X TIMEFRAME, THEN THE LEASE SPACE ON THE BUILDING WOULD BECOME MORE.
AND SO, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY INCENTIVES IN THEIR TIMELINE AND THEIR TIMELINE TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEW FACILITIES UP SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
CAN WE GET THAT? CAN WE GET AN UPDATE, UM, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, ON WHAT THEIR NEXT MILESTONE IS AND WHEN, IF NOT BEFORE, YES.
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THREE H THE JEANETTA STREET, SANITARY SEWER PROJECT, RUSS.THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE, SIR.
UM, THIS LEGISLATION IS TO CREATE A SEWER TAP IN DISTRICT FOUR, THREE RESIDENTS LOCATED AT THE END OF JANETTA STREET.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS WHERE THERE IS A PRIVATE PUMP STATION.
THE CITY HAS AGREED IT HAS NEEDS REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENT.
SO DO YOU AGREE TO PUT IT IN SANITARY SEWER? AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT THROUGH THE SIDE YARD AND THROUGH THE BACK AND THEN TO THE SOUTH TO, UH, BRANDON VIEW COURT, UH, NATALIE IS INSTALLING, UH, EIGHT INCH SANITARY LINE THROUGH THERE.
UM, THIS TAP IN DISTRICT IS SET UP TO ESTABLISH A 20 YEAR ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, UH, AND THAT MONEY WILL BE USED TO HELP PAY FOR THEIR HALF OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE SANITARY SEWER.
AND IT WILL ELIMINATE, LIKE I SAID, THE EXISTING PUMP STATION THAT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR.
UH, ALL RESIDENTS HAVE SIGNED A PETITION AGREEING TO PAY FOR THIS ASSESSMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
UM, CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN SOON, UH, WITHIN A FEW WEEKS, HOPEFULLY.
UM, IT'S BEEN HELD UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THEY'VE HAD TROUBLE GETTING MANHOLES IS WHAT THE BAD PROBLEMS. SO I THINK HE'S GETTING THEM IN PRETTY SOON HERE W WE'LL GET STARTED ON IT.
UH, AND IT SHOULD TAKE ONLY ABOUT
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TWO WEEKS TO DO THE PROJECTS.AND I KNOW THOSE RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT FROM AUSTIN AND BORDER.
WAS THIS JUST UPDATING US ON THE PROCESS OR DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL TO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF JERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? THAT'S WHO SET UP THE, UH, ASSESSMENT FOR THIS, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE ASSESSMENT WHILE THERE WILL BE A RESOLUTION COMING UP? OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PRETTY MUCH.
THERE IS A RESOLUTION WITH THIS.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS UP? JUST ONE QUESTION MAYORS.
SO IF IT STARTS BY FEBRUARY 1ST, WHEN WOULD BE THE COMPLETION DATES FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT? YES.
ONCE HE STARTS, IT'LL BE UP TO ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
SO IT COULD BE DONE BY MARCH 1ST.
IF IT GETS DELAYED, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, BUT IT ONLY BE BECAUSE OF GETTING MATERIALS.
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THREE.I, UH, THIS PRELIMINARY CONSENT LEGISLATION FOR STATE ROUTE 2 0 2 RESOURCES.
UH, YES, THIS IS, UH, ALSO FOR ODAT.
UH, THEY, WELL, THEY, UM, UH, IT ALLOW THE CITY TO GIVE CONSENT TO ODAT TO RE TO RESURFACE STATE ROUTE 2 0 2, WHICH IS OLD TROY PIKE FROM FITCHBURG ROAD, GOING SOUTH TO THE SOUTH CORPORATION LINE, WHICH IS WHERE OUR SOUTH PORTAL AREA IS, UH, IS A LITTLE OVER A MILE IN LENGTH.
UH, THE CITY HAS ALREADY UPGRADED HANDICAP RAMPS AND ALL OF THIS, ALL THE INTERSECTIONS IN THIS AREA, UH, TO MEET ADA STANDARDS, WHICH THIS IS A NEW ODETTE REQUIREMENT THAT WHENEVER THEY REPAVE, YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE ALL THE HANDICAP RAMPS.
UM, AND I WILL BE BRINGING BACK A FINAL LEGISLATION, UH, SOMETIME WITHIN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS, UH, THAT WILL BE FOR US TO AGREE TO PAY 20% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
UH, THIS INITIAL LEGISLATION IS JUST FOR CONSENT IS ALL IT'S FOR, UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS OR THE REPAVING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR, AS ALL THEY'RE TELLING US AT THIS POINT.
AND IT'LL PROBABLY, WE'LL TRY TO PUSH TO DO IT AT NIGHT AS WE DID, UM, BETTER FOR TRAFFIC.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO THE MEETING? OKAY.
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THREE, JAMES LET'S DO SIDEWALK DISCUSSION.UM, UH, THE ANSWER REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE ON THE AGENDA.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME EMAIL TRAFFIC BACK AND FORTH REGARDING, UH, SOME SIDEWALKS, UH, BETWEEN NANCY AND BRIAN THERE'S DISCUSSION.
SO WE JUST WANT TO BRING THOSE KINDS OF FOREFRONT.
UM, SO NANCY, IF YOU'D WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE, OR KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS, UH, GO RIGHT AHEAD AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT.
UM, AS YOUR RECALL, DURING THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MAKING OUR CITY MORE WALKABLE AND SAFE BY INSTALLING SIDEWALKS AND WELL-TRAVELED AREAS.
WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED CREATING LEGISLATION, REQUIRING DEVELOPERS TO INCLUDE MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS ON STREETS AND JOINING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO ALLOW BICYCLIST PEDESTRIAN.
SO PEOPLE USING MOBILITY VEHICLES TO TRAVERSE OUR COMMUNITY IN A SAFE MANNER, AS WE WORK TOWARD MAKING OUR CITY AND AGE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, I'M ASKING A COUNCIL JOIN WITH ME AND REQUESTING THAT LEGISLATION BE DRAFTED TO FORMALIZE THIS REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE I SAID, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS FORMALIZED, BUT IT ASKED VIGNETTE.
SO I'M ASKING COUNCIL THAT TO, UH, ASK THE, UH, CITY MANAGER OR THE ATTORNEY TO, UH, CREATE SOME LEGISLATION SO WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UM, COUNCILMAN BERGE, I, I STAND WITH YOU AND REQUEST THAT THAT LEGISLATION BE DRAFTED.
I THINK IT WOULD, UH, BE, UH, AND REINVENTING FOR OUR CITY TO ASK OF DEVELOPERS, UM, AND, UH, SEE HOW THAT MOVES FORWARD WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN OUR GROWTH, OUR CITY.
UH, SO I WOULD STAND WITH COUNCILMAN BIRCH AND ASK FOR THAT REQUEST TO BE MADE.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING IF THE, UH, THE GOAL IS, I UNDERSTAND MS. BURJ IS TO, UH, BASICALLY REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO INCORPORATE INTO THEIR PLAN, IMPLEMENTING SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT WHATEVER NEW SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, I ASSUME.
UM, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTARY, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S KIND OF SOME DISCUSSION.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD OR GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, OR IF YOU AGREE, HEY, GREAT.
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OBJECTIONS FROM STAFF ON THE REQUIREMENT.UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME TENTATIVE LANGUAGE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE ENGINEER AND TALK ABOUT WHAT AN APPROPRIATE TIMELINE WOULD BE FOR HIM TO BRING THAT LANGUAGE BACK.
THERE'D BE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, PROVISIONS OF THE, UH, THE EXISTING CODE, BUT WE CAN CORRECT.
SO WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK, UH, IN AN INAPPROPRIATE TIME.
AND IF COUNCIL LIKES WHAT THEY'LL SEE ADOPT IT, AND IT'LL BECOME THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. GREAT.
ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YES.
ARE YOU REFERRING MORE TO IN FRONT OF A DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE MAIN ROADS? NOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU PUT THE SIDEWALK IN, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO DESIGN THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH CURB IN ORDER TO SET THE SIDEWALK TO THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
SO ARE YOU WANTING CURB ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TOO? OR JUST THE SILENCE? WE CAN DESIGN IT.
WELL, THERE ARE, THESE DEPENDS ON THE ROAD, THE ROAD THAT IT'S ON.
SO MS. BIRCH TO MEET YOUR REQUEST, AND I THINK THE INTENT OF COUNCIL, WE AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO, UM, CODE LANGUAGE OR TO DEVELOP OUR INTERPRETATION WHERE WE MIGHT REQUIRE, UH, THE DESIGN OR THE ENGINEERING OF CURB, BUT WE MIGHT NOT REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF THAT CURB AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK, BUT THAT'S AN INTERNAL MEASURE THAT THE ENGINEER AND I AND STAFF CAN WORK OUT.
SO WE'LL WIKI ON THAT FOR YOU.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THIS AND, AND IT'S JUST HIGHER SOMEWHERE AGAIN, IF THEY KNOW IT'S PART OF THE CODE AND IT GOES THROUGH PART OF THE AND PROCESS, THEN IT BECOMES PART OF THEIR DRAWINGS AND THEIR SUBMITTAL, THEIR BASIC PLAN THEN ELIMINATES THAT WHOLE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
THEY KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED THERE.
OKAY, SO WE WILL, UM, BY LACK OF OBJECTION, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LEGISLATION LIKE THAT, COME BACK NEXT, DESIGN THREE K ORDINANCE
[ Ordinance Modification - Huber Heights City Code - Section 509.08(b)(10) - Disturbing The Peace]
MODIFICATION.HE WRITES CITY CODE SECTION 5 0 9 0 8, B 10, UH, DISTURBING THE, SO TO WRAP THIS GUY BACK UP LAST TIME, WE HAD A DISCUSSION, UH, AND I HOPE TO GOD, THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO DISCUSS THIS.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THE SOLUTION WOULD BE HAVING SOME TYPE OF ORDINANCE OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL DISTURBING, THE PEACE CODE THAT DEALT WITH CONSTRUCTION NOISE OR CONSTRUCTION DISTURBANCE.
AND, UM, I TH I'M HOPING THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT JERRY THEN CAN, CAN TALK ABOUT.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT.
I, I THINK ME PERSONALLY, I DID HAVE A CONCERN BY TELLING BUILDERS THAT YOU CAN WORK IN THE CITY ON SATURDAYS.
I KNOW THAT'S BEEN THE WHOLE ISSUE WE'VE BEEN DEBATING.
IS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TEETH IN A CODE? CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT? UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU, DON'T LIKE THE WEATHER STAY 24 HOURS IN A CHANGE TRYING TO TELL SOMEBODY WHO IS IN LABOR AND CONSTRUCTION, THAT YOU MIGHT ONLY GET THREE DAYS ON YOUR PAYCHECK THIS WEEK, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE UP ANY TIME ON THE WEEKENDS DUE TO WEATHER.
I JUST THINK WE HAVE, HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER CITY AROUND US THAT ELIMINATES OR DOESN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK ON, ON, ON SATURDAY.
SO I THINK, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, JUST A BLANKET SEVEN TO SEVEN, UM, SATURDAY WORK, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF A CONCRETE TRUCK OF SHOES, AS AN EXAMPLE, PULLS UP, TURNS ON IS WARMING UP AT SIX 30 WAITING TO GET STARTED AT SEVEN THAT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CUP.
SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, JERRY, THAT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE TO HAVE THAT LEGISLATION, WHETHER IT'S PART OF, UH, THE EXISTING CODE OR SEPARATE IN THE CODE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO THIS COUNCIL THAT HAS SOME TEETH.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE.
YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
THERE IS, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
WE'RE NOT IN, IN HIS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, EMERGENCY TYPE OF SITUATIONS, WATER MAIN BREAKS, COLLAPSED ROADWAY, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR IN HERE.
ALSO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A COUPLE OF TWEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE ONE MORE, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT NECESSARILY, BUT ONE MORE WORK SESSION TO INCORPORATE THEIR COMMENTS.
I DID NOT DO THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.
UM, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE TOO, BUT I'M VERY PLEASED THAT THIS SEEMS TO BE HEADING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I'M PROPOSING.
ONE IS, IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE CIVIL INFRACTION, UH, CONCEPT OF IT.
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UM, IT WOULD, UM, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO AMEND THE DISTURBING, THE PEACE SECTION IF WE WANT TO MAKE THIS SEVEN TO SEVEN MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PROVISION THAT I THOUGHT MAY BE ACTUALLY MORE BENEFICIAL IS TO PUT THE LANGUAGE, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THIS, INTO OUR PUD AGREEMENTS, WE HAVE A STANDARD PUD AGREEMENT WE DO WITH EVERYBODY.
AND WE PUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER SIGNS, THE PUD AGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE, OR WE'RE GOING TO PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON IT THAT MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, NEW ONES THAT ARE CAUSING THESE ISSUES ARE IN PDS.
I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY THAT WOULD PROBABLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM MORE SO THAN THIS OTHER STUFF.
WHAT, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS EDUCATION, RIGHT? AS LONG AS PEOPLE KNOW, IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE BREAK IN A ROLE, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BREAKING THE RULE.
AND IF WE WERE MORE, WE MAKE IT KNOWN WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR GUIDELINES ARE AND WE HAVE WAYS TO ENFORCE THAT THE BETTER.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THAT FANCY, DO WE DEFINE WHAT CONSTITUTES IN EMERGENCY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING? OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOME SPECIFIC PROVISIONS, SUCH AS I SAID, WATER MAIN BREAKS, UH, REPAIR COLLAPSED ROADWAY, UTILITY COMPANY REPAIRS DO DESTROY CARS, ACCIDENTS, THOSE TYPES.
SO, AND THE WAY IT STOOD, THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY ENGINEER CAN GIVE APPROVAL FOR AN EXCEPTION ON THE BASIS OF AN, SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT.
AND USUALLY THESE CONSTRUCTION TYPE OF THINGS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH HEAVY MACHINERY ARE GOING TO BE ROAD ISSUES, UTILITY RELATED ISSUES.
AND SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER DO THAT.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO TIGHTEN THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH HE CAN DO THAT.
IT WAS PRETTY BROAD BEFORE I THINK I WAS WONDERING WHERE SHE WAS AT THE TIME OF FRAME AND THE ISSUES.
UM, JERRY, DO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY? THE PENALTY, THE FINE, UH, FOR THIS WILL BE NOT TO EXCEED $250, WHICH IS, UH, IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THAT'S WITH THE CIVIL INFRACTIONS.
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON HOW MUCH WE'RE CHARGING ON THERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO AS PROPOSED, IF YOU GET THREE OF THEM, THEN WE CAN ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER UNTIL EVERYTHING'S PAID.
AND, UH, IS THAT IN HERE IN THE FINES PENALTIES COSTS? CAUSE I, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT THAT AS A PROGRESSIVE APPROACH CHAPTER SO MANY, THEN IT BECOMES MORE SERIOUS NOT TO MENTION THE FINES AT UP BY W WHERE WAS THAT MENTIONED? YEAH, IT'S IN, UM, SORRY, FINES AND PENALTIES IN SECTION 13, PROPOSED SECTION 13, 23 OR FOUR DIRECTLY ABOVE IT IN SECTION E OF THE PROVISION ABOVE IT IS THE STOP WORK ORDER, WHICH, UM, PROVIDES THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S THE THREE STRIKES YOU'RE OUT TYPE OF THING.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
YEAH, RICHARD, I GOT TO MAKE JUST ONE CLARIFYING COMMENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER WHO, AND IT'S NOT REALLY FOR YOU.
UM, BEFORE THIS COMES BACK IN FRONT OF US WITH JERRY'S MICRO REVISIONS THAT HE'S DOING, CAN WE GET SOLID CLARIFICATION THAT CHIEF LIGHTENER AND HIS DEPARTMENT KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS GOING TO SAY, AND TO GIVE US SINCE HE'S GOING TO BE HERE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, COMMENTARY THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS ENFORCEABLE AND THIS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE COMMENTS THAT WE WERE GETTING BEFORE IS THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY COULD WRITE AGAIN.
SO, SO JERRY, YOU WANT ONE MORE WORK SESSION TO WRAP THIS UP, RIGHT? NOT FOR MONDAY'S MEETING.
AND CHIEF LIGHTENER HAS RECEIVED THIS AND COMMENTED ON IT SPECIFICALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES, GLEN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO REITERATE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST NOT DOING IT.
IT JUST SEEMS BACKWARDS TO ME.
I MEAN, WITHIN THE PURPOSE AND BACKGROUND OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, IT'S ACTUALLY SAYS CONSTRUCTION ON SATURDAYS DUE TO NOISE HAS BECOME AN ISSUE LATELY.
SO OUR CORRECTION IS TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION NOISE ON SATURDAYS.
APPARENTLY THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ME AT ALL.
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CONNECTS UP AS ITEM THREE[ Huber Heights Polling Locations]
L, WHICH IS THE RIGHTS POLLING LOCATIONS.THIS IS JUST ON HERE FOR A FOLLOW-UP.
I THINK THE LAW DIRECTOR WAS ASKED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE MIAMI COUNTY PROSECUTOR AND OR THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE TO ASCERTAIN THE BASIS FOR THE LEGAL OPINION THAT THEY HAD REFERENCED AND NOT BEING ABLE TO ESTABLISH A PERMANENT LOCATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.
SO I THINK JERRY'S PREPARED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THAT JERRY ACTIVE TODAY.
I GOT NOTHING, UM, CONTACTED BOTH OF THEM.
THE ATTORNEY SAID IF THERE WAS SUCH A LEGAL OPINION, HE'D BE GLAD TO SHARE IT WITH ME.
UM, NO RETURN CALL FROM THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
UM, DID OUR OWN RESEARCH ON THIS AND BASICALLY THE CITIZENS ARE TO VOTE IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THEY RESIDE IS WHAT MY LAW CLERK IS TELLING ME.
SO IF THAT IS IN FACT, THE CASE THEN MIAMI COUNTY IS CORRECT THAT THEIR POLLING PLACE WOULD NEED TO BE IN MIAMI COUNTY IF THEY ARE IN MIAMI COUNTY.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO DOUBT THEM.
SECRETARY OF STATE HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE POWER IS VESTED WITHIN THE COUNTY BOARD OF OFFICIALS AS TO WHERE THE POLLING PLACES GO IN GENERAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THAT THEY CAN NOT HAVE A DIS ESTABLISH A PLACE IN HUBER, MONTGOMERY COUNTY FOR THE HUBER MIAMI COUNTY PEOPLE TO VOTE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT DIDN'T TELL YOU FROM THE INFORMATION YOU GOT FROM, I THINK IT WAS THE, THAT MAYBE BETHEL HIGH SCHOOL WAS JUST A MATTER OF THE TIME FRAME WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT KIND OF WHAT THEIR PLAN WAS, OR IF HE RESIDENTS IN MIAMI COUNTY, BUT YOU VOTING AT BETHEL SCRIPTURE AND IT'S STARTING AT 2023.
SO THIS UPCOMING PRIMARY IN GENERAL, WELL, WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE A PRIMARY NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE SUPREME COURT IS STILL TRYING TO DECIDE BEST BOUNDARIES.
SO, UM, UH, SO YEAH, IT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME FOR 2022 AND THEN THEIR PLAN WOULD BE TO RELOCATE THE POLLING LOCATIONS FOR THE HUBER RESIDENTS AT MIAMI COUNTY, UH, TO BETHEL SCHOOLS IN 2023, UH, THAT ALSO WOULD ALLOW FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS TO SEE IF A LOCATION COULD BE FOUND WITHIN THE HUMOR PART OF MIAMI COUNTY ALSO, BUT THAT'S THEIR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO TARGETED FOR.
SO RICHARD, I KNOW THIS WAS A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION FOR YOU.
SO, I MEAN, I JUST, I'M ASKING ME, I DON'T KNOW, DOES THIS SATISFY YOUR, YOUR INQUIRY OR IS THERE INFORMATION STILL THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT YOU STILL WANT? I MEAN, I WANT TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU NEED OR WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
SO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL HERE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT CLARIFIED, LET'S CALL IT.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO SPEAK ON THIS WITH THIS HIGHER SUPREME COURT'S RECENT DECISION THAT ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE REOPENED THE DOOR FOR US BECAUSE WITHOUT THE, THE CONGRESSIONAL AND SENATE LINE MAPS DONE, UM, THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS CAN'T FINALIZE, YOU KNOW, THEIR INTERNAL MAPPING SERVICE.
UM, I THINK, I THINK FOR THEM TO TELL US, WE GOT TO WAIT UNTIL 20, 23 IS AGAIN A DISSERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN SEEMS LIKE NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IS BEING PASSED BACK AND FORTH.
WHY CAN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S CHURCHES, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS BETWEEN HERE IN WEST CHARLESTON CHURCH THAT CAN BE PICKED.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT A MOVED, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DONE NOW MORE THAN LATER.
UM, SO HOW, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THESE, MY, MY QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE AND HOW CAN WE MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE PLAN IS? THEY'VE ALREADY OUTLINED.
SO I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH HIM ON THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THEM OR FORCE THEM CHOOSE ANOTHER.
I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER, CLERK OF COUNCIL CALLING THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE OR HAVING A LAW DIRECTOR DOES AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, OR RESEARCHING WHAT IS OUR POWER JUST TO FORCE THEIR HAND.
UM, TONY YOU MEAN TONY AND JERRY IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY STONE LEFT UNTURNED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, WITH THE SUPREME COURT DECISION NOW, IS THERE ANY STONE UNTURNED THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ME? CAUSE I DO AGREE WITH RICHARD ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT OUR MIAMI COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE TO DRIVE ALMOST 10 MILES TO GO VOTE, NO PLACE ELSE IN THE CITY THAT DOES ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I WILL STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, HIS NAME WAS BROUGHT UP HERE EARLIER, UH, DEREK FORD AND THE NAACP, I BELIEVE HAS AUTHORIZED A MANDATE THAT ANYTHING THAT I BELIEVE IT'S OVER A MILE AND A HALF OR TWO MILES IS UNEXCITING.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF PLACES IN CITIES WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING THE VOTERS.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I CAN'T DISAGREE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT POWER WE HAVE TO FIX IT.
SO, BUT IF THERE IS, WE'RE A LITTLE MORE RURAL COUNTY
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COUNTY, TWO HOURS ARE MOVING IN OUR DIRECTION, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO UNTIL 20, 23.THAT'S LIKE, I GUESS THE ISSUE, UH, THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT, UH, CHARLES HUBER ELEMENTARY, BUT THEN THAT'S IN CAMBRIA COUNTY, WHICH IS KIND OF CONTRADICTORY TO HIS EMAIL BECAUSE HE REFERENCES THAT ONE BECAUSE, OKAY, WELL THIS WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THEM, SAYS THEY CAN'T DO IT ANYWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T DO IT.
SO LET'S ASSUME THAT THE COUNTY LINES HAVE TO BE THE COUNTY LINES.
SO IF WE CAN SEE THAT RICHARD, YOU CAN SEE THE COUNTY LINE HAS TO BE COUNTY LINE.
THEN THE ISSUE WE NEED IS AN EXPEDITED PROCESS.
SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT JOHNNY AND JERRY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT LEFT ANY STONE UNTURNED ABOUT HOW FRUSTRATED OR UPSET WE ARE, WHOEVER ELSE WE GOT TO GET INVOLVED WITH TOO, THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE DRIVING 10 MILES TO THE THEY'RE STILL IN THE MAPPING PROCESS STILL ISN'T FINISHED.
SO TO SAY THAT THIS COULDN'T BE DONE BEFORE A PRIMARY ALMOST DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE PRIMARY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAPPEN IN MAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT PROBABLY MY GUESS IS THAT IT WOULDN'T BASED ON, ON WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE FEBRUARY 2ND IS THE DEADLINE FOR ANYTHING FOR PRIMARY.
I MEAN IT'S 12, 13, 14 DAYS AWAY, BUT IT'S 18.
SO THEY'RE UP AGAINST SOME REALLY TIGHT TIMELINES.
BUT THEN TO JUST, I DON'T LIKE JUST THE LIP SERVICE.
I THINK THAT KIND OF SOUNDS EASY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO GET THEM TO EXPEDITE MOVING A LOCATION CLOSER TO THEIR COUNTY RESIDENTS, TO WHERE THEY LIVE.
UM, I, I THINK I AGREE WITH RICHARD.
WE OWE THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE TO VOTE HERE.
AND I THINK JUST PUTTING IT OFF A YEAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME EITHER, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ACCEPTABLE ANY OF US.
SO IF WE CAN TAKE ONE MORE STAB AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO.
UH, I THINK RICHARD CERTAINLY I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE ON COUNCILS APPRECIATE, OKAY, WE'LL DO IT.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEAS ABOUT POTENTIAL LOCATIONS THAT WOULD MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE MIAMI COUNTY PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE ISSUES.
THAT'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL THERE IN THAT SECTION.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAVE THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TOO.
SO FOR THE ADA, I'M PRETTY CLOSE TO ORANGE COUNTY, BUT I'M SURE MY HOUSE, YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
UM, W ONE THING WE CAN TRY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE, AND HE IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UH, HE'S PURPORTED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, BUT WE COULD GO TO THE DIRECTOR AS WELL.
WELL, SO THEY HAVE BOARD MEETINGS THERE TOO, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEIR BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS, HAS WORKED.
HOW OFTEN DO THEY HAVE THEM? AND DO WE NEED A COUPLE OF US TO GO SHOW UP AND, AND VOICE OUR CONCERN AND OUR DISPLEASURE WITH THEIR LACK OF ACTION? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S A STONE THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO FLIP OVER AND FIND OUT IF THAT'LL WORK.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH RICHARD ON THIS WEEK.
I THINK WE NEED A RESOLUTION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING SO MUCH OF WHAT THE PRIMARY'S UP IN THE AIR.
IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK.
AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO WE OFFERED OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CHARLES GATE HAVE WE OFFERED, UM, TRADITIONALLY THEY SAID WOULD BE AN OPTION YOU CAN DO IT OUTSIDE OF THE TRIGGER.
WELL, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY DAMN SENSE.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION WAS WE OFFERED THE YMCA.
AND MY THIRD OPTION, THAT'S STILL PROBABLY MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
THERE'S ALSO FACILITY AND NURSING FACILITY THERE THAT'S VERY LARGE.
YEAH, HE, HE DID SAY AT ONE POINT THAT, UH, THERE WAS A KINGDOM HALL THAT'S SOMEWHERE UP THERE, BUT THEY HAD APPROACHED BEFORE, UH, ABOUT BEING A POLLING SITE AND IT MIGHT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET ANY OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE KINGDOM ALL TO RETURN THEIR CALLS AND THEN JEHOVAH WITNESS CHURCHES.
THEY SAID THAT THE BOARD HAS ALSO MADE US STRATEGIC DECISION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET MOST OF THE, UM, POLLING LOCATIONS WITHIN SCHOOLS IN MIAMI COUNTY.
UM, AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ISSUE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THE SCHOOL MAKES SENSE.
WE HAVE MY WEIGHT, HIGH SCHOOL IS A HUGE POINT LOCATION RIGHT HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO THAT ISN'T THE LOCATION, ISN'T THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SCHOOL IT'S
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MAKE IT HAPPEN.NOW IT'S JUST A LOCATION CHANGE VERSUS WAITING UNTIL A PRIME MAY OF 20, 23.
THAT'S I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE THE REASON FOR THE DELAY.
NOT THAT WELL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON IT SOME MORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
[ City Manager Recruitment Brochure]
ITEM 3M, WHICH IS THE SAME AS YOUR RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.SO I'M BACK ON, UM, DECEMBER 28TH, I DID RECEIVE, UM, THE DRAFT FROM, UH, CITY MANAGER RECRUIT MEMBERS SURE.
AND, UH, THAT WAS RIGHT THERE, THE HOLIDAY PERIOD, BUT I HAD, UH, DISTRIBUTED THAT TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 29TH.
UH, NO, ACTUALLY THE 28TH I SENT IT.
UM, AND, UH, ASKED FOR COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
I DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FROM SOME OF YOU AS FAR AS THE DRAFT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THOSE.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS MADE AND, UH, SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE RAISED, UM, SOME OF THE ONES THAT AND CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH BAKER TILLY, THEY CONCURRED THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TO REFLECT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, INCLUDING, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE STRONG MILITARY ASSOCIATION WITH WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE AND, UH, THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE DUTY VETERANS AND CIVILIANS THAT ARE BOTH RETIRED OR ACTIVE EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF UBER RIDES.
SO KIND OF DOING MORE TO FOCUS ON THE MILITARY ASSOCIATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND DIFFERENT ENTITIES RELATED TO VETERANS OR MILITARY SERVICES.
UM, THE OTHER WAS HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, LARGER EMPLOYERS IN THE CITY OF YEAR BRIGHTS.
I THINK SEVERAL OF YOU MENTIONED TREMBLE WAS, UH, NON MENTIONED.
UM, I DID, UM, ALSO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, UH, THE MENTION, UH, IN MORE DETAIL OF AN ETHNICALLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE BAKER TILLY AND THEIR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS THE FACT THAT THEY HIGHLIGHTED THEIR COMMITMENT TO DIVERSITY AND CULTURAL ISSUES THEY ENTERTAIN AND THEIR PROPOSALS.
SO, UH, WE AGREED THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREATER DETAIL.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO TALK ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE 120 MINUTE MARKET, WHICH IS BASICALLY HOW MUCH OF THE POPULATION LIVES WITHIN PROXIMITY TO, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THAT, UM, RICHARD, SOME OF THE PICTURES WERE YOUR FAVORITE PICTURES.
I HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH BRIAN ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO FIND SOME OTHER ONES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN SARAH'S DATABASE, UM, THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME BETTER PICTURES, UH, PARTICULARLY AS CITY HALL.
AND I THINK THE DOG PARK ARE THE TWO THAT YOU SPECIFIC.
I KNOW THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY MINOR, BUT I MEAN, WE WERE PUTTING OUT A VISUAL BROCHURE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A PICTURE OUT.
AND THEN I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE CITY'S ONGOING EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND, UH, THE COMMITMENT TO DOING SO, UH, WAS ANOTHER AREA OF HIGHLIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE RAISED.
UM, I DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY IN TALKING WITH PATTY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SEVEN PAGE DOCUMENT SO FAR, THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A BOOK, SO IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUMMARY.
SO NOT EVERY ELEMENT OF EVERYTHING COULD BE INCLUDED.
UM, AND IT, BUT WE TRIED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WORK TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TO GET THE PERSON IN THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CITY IN GREATER DETAIL AS THE PROCESS EVOLVES.
AND THERE ARE NEW LIGHT IS UP STREET SIGNS, TAYLORSVILLE, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, OVERALL I THOUGHT THE BROCHURE WAS GOOD.
I MEAN, IT JUST NEEDED A LITTLE BIT REWORK, JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, FINE.
I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCILWOMAN EMERGES SUGGESTIONS AND SOME OF MINE WERE SOME OF THE SAME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IT WAS A VALID, UM, I MEAN, I'M SURE EACH ONE OF US COULD READ THAT AND TAKE DIFFERENT POINTS IN, BUT I THINK OVERALL, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GOOD PIECE.
SO, UM, THE OTHER MAJOR AREA OF DISCUSSION INVOLVES THE LAST PAGE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.
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AND, UM, THE STATEMENT CURRENTLY IN THIS BROCHURE WAS A RESIDENCY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF HEBREW HEIGHTS IS STRONGLY PREFERRED, WHICH IS THE LANGUAGE WAS DEVELOPED.UM, I THINK I HAD MAYBE THREE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU IN TALKING WITH PATTY, SHE SAID THAT NOT ONLY, HOWEVER, THIS IS DECIDED IN THE ULTIMATE ROCHER, UH, THE ISSUE OF RESIDENCY WOULD BE A MAJOR DISCUSSION POINT AS THEY NARROW THE APPLICANT POOL DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD THAT THE CITY REALLY DOES HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBRIS HUBER HEIGHTS IS AS PART OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT, UM, IN THIS POSITION AS CITY MANAGER.
SO IS SHE AFRAID, SO IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE IT OUT OR TO ADD IT, AND IS SHE AFRAID THAT THE RESIDENCY LANGUAGE MIGHT ELIMINATE SOMEBODY FROM APPLYING THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE APPLY THAT WE COULD TALK TO AND CONVINCE TO LIVING HERE OR NO? UM, SHE JUST SAID WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, CLEAR ON THE MESSAGE.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN ISSUE THAT IT WOULD SCARE PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE SHE SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO BE UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO RELOCATE TO HUBER HEIGHTS, THEN WE WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO COME INTO THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE IF THAT'S SUCH A STRONG ISSUE FOR THIS CITY, UM, IN THE SELECTION OF THE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE, UH, THAT THEN WE WOULD WANT TO SCREEN THEM OUT AS PART OF THAT.
AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN, BECAUSE I THINK IN THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU AND I HAD, I THINK THAT IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE IN THERE THAT RESIDENCY RESIDENCY'S REQUIRED, NOT BEFORE FOR THAT EXACT REASON, SOMEBODY GOING TO, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO APPLY, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US NOT TO BE TRANSPARENT IN THE BEGINNING STAGES THAT THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, YOU SHOULDN'T WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF SHE HAD DIFFERENT OPINION THAT, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT MIGHT ELIMINATE SOMEBODY FROM APPLYING WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO MOVE THROUGH THE DISCUSSION IF THEY'RE A GOOD CANDIDATE, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT APPLY IF THEY THINK I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS A DIFFERENT OPINION SHE HAD NO, BUT IF SHE DOESN'T, THEN I AGREE 100% NEEDS TO BE PART OF.
AND THEN, UM, I'D ASKED JERRY TO TAKE A STAB AT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD MEET LEGAL MUSTER AS THE SITUATION STANDS.
UM, VIS-A-VIS OUR CHARTER AND THE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENCY.
UM, SO JERRY CAME BACK WITH A PROVISION THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE AS, UH, MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT STRONGER.
HIS SUGGESTION WAS THE EXPECTATION OF CITY COUNCIL IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUMAN RIGHTS, CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CHARTER.
AND HE FEELS THAT THAT'S NOT, UH, LEGALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO STATE IT IN THAT MANNER.
AND IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORCE TO, IT SENDS THE MESSAGE THAT WE WANT TO SEND.
SO, YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION IF, IF WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, AND THAT SAME PARAGRAPH, THAT SALARY RANGE IS RIDICULOUS.
I KNOW IT IS, BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S, THAT'S GOT TO BE, THAT'S GOT TO BE CHANGED IN THE ONE THAT GOES OUT.
THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD, OR ANYONE WOULD COME IN HERE FOR $106,000.
I KNOW IT IS, BUT THAT RANGE IS HUGE.
SHE, I TALKED WITH HER ABOUT THAT TOO.
AND SHE SAID THAT, UM, IT'S NOT A BAD SALARY, BUT YOU KNOW, MARKET WISE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT.
UM, IS THERE A REASON TO EVEN PUT ANYTHING IN, WELL, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT COUNSEL COULD ALWAYS ADOPT A NEW SALARY RANGE.
UM, SO IF WE DO, OKAY, SO NEXT QUESTION, IF WE DECIDED TO CHANGE SALARY RANGE AND DO WE DO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ONCE THE CITY MANAGER IS IN PLACE THAT THEY DECIDE SALARY AND WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THAT? WELL, I THINK FOR THIS SITUATION, YOU WANT TO BE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF THE FUTURE SALARY, NOT ALL THE CITY.
SO WE JUST WENT THROUGH A COMPENSATION STUDY, WHAT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT ALIGNED ALL THE SALARIES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ONE CAME OUT WHERE IT DID, BUT BRIAN MAYBE CAN SPEAK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THIS PARTICULAR SALARY RANGE.
I LIKE THE SALARY RANGE THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, INVALIDATING.
AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS ADVERTISEMENT, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES WOULD BE
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REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE CITY MANAGERS ARE GOING TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK, AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER CITY MANAGERS IN THIS REGION ARE MAKING.AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MARKET WAGE WOULD BE OR SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
COUNCIL IS WILLING TO PAY WITHIN THE MARKET RANGE, THEN THE, WHATEVER THE NEGOTIATED WAGE WILL BE CONTRACTUAL.
AND THAT WOULD BE HOW IT APPEARS ON OUR SALARY TABLES GOING FORWARD IS THAT IT IS VIA CONTRACT.
VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE HANDLE COLLECTIVE BARGAIN.
SPECIFICALLY JUST THAT'S COMPETITIVE OR DO YOU HAVE A REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, I DO BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED.
BUT TO WHAT EXTENT, I DON'T KNOW.
AND IF WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THIS BROCHURE OUT NOW, DO I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF TWO OPTIONS? DO WE PUT THE SALARY RANGE THAT'S IN THERE NOW? OR DO WE FIND SOME OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, FLUFFED UP LANGUAGE? AND I HONESTLY, I THINK THE REGIONAL REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE WORLD, SO I KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH.
BECAUSE WE CAN SAY READING, I DON'T AGREE THAT IN THE UNIT OR DISAGREE THAT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE RIGHT.
BEING REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE WORKS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY QUICK AFTER THEY START GETTING CANDIDATES WHERE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO KNOW MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT IS REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE? WHAT ARE WE PAYING? SO WE CAN EITHER PUT OUT THERE THAT'S REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE AND HOPING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE, OR WE CAN JUST MAKE THE DECISION TO CHANGE THE SCALE, PUT IT ON THERE.
SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY MIGHT BE GETTING PAID.
THAT'S I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE MIGHT GET ME TO APPLY, BUT AS I STARTED LOOKING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION SOONER THAN LATER, I HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH TO MAKE THE CHANGE RIGHT NOW.
THIS ONE, IT'S HARD TO FIND NOBODY HAS THIS ONE, BUT IF THAT'S NOT REASON, BUT THAT IF THAT'S NOT REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE THEN THAN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO, WHAT IS, AND I THINK WE, WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINE THAT SOONER THAN LATER.
SO THE ONLY QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, DO WE DECIDE WHAT THAT IS NOW FOR THE BROCHURE? OR WE PUT OUT REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WHAT IS OUR SALARY RANGE BEFORE WE REALLY GET SERIOUS WITH ANY CANDIDATE? CAITLIN, THANK YOU, MARY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD THE VERBIAGE TO BRIAN'S BASED ON EXPERIENCE QUALIFICATIONS.
IT DOES SAY DEPENDENT UPON CANDIDATE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE LESS THAN THAT.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T I'M, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THE $177,008 56 CENTS, BUT, BUT I DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 108,000.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THE RANGE WAS TOO GREAT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, BRIAN ED SHARED WITH US THAT THERE'S A TIMEFRAME OF JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S THE HOTSPOT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT IN THAT? I MEAN, IS PATTY GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINALIZE THIS AND CAN GET THIS OUT THERE? I THINK EXPEDIENCY IS CERTAINLY ON ALL OF OUR MINDS AND TONY'S COMMUNICATED DOWN WITH HER AND WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS THING OUT THERE.
WHAT DOES THIS AS FINALIZED? THE NEXT STEP IS RECRUITMENT.
SO, UM, I THINK THE MINIMUM SHOULD BE AT LEAST WHAT OUR LASTS, WHAT, WHAT OUR LAST CITY MANAGER.
SO ON THE BOTTOM SCALE OF THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, HOW WE ADVERTISING LESS THAN WHAT THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WAS, WAS PAID, NOT THE LAST INTERIM CITY MANAGER, ACTING CITY MANAGER, BUT THE LAST CITY MANAGER.
AT A MINIMUM, YOU START WHERE THE LAST ONE LEFT OFF.
DOES PETEY HAVE OUR COMMENTS? YES.
W WHAT I AGREED WITH HER IS AFTER TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, I WOULD TAKE THE FINAL COMMENTS AND GIVE THEM BACK TO HER TOMORROW.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION TOMORROW ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS.
SHE WOULD PUT THIS IN THE FINAL DRAFT AND WE'D BE READY.
SO IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR JUST TO TELL HER, TO PUT A NUMBER.
HERE'S THE NUMBER YOU WANT TO PUT IN THERE.
AND THEN WE ACT ON THE NUMBER.
WE TELL HER TO PUT IT ON THERE, OR DO WE NEED TO ENACT LEGISLATION THAT CHANGES THE PAY RANGE BEFORE WE GIVE HER THAT INFORMATION? I WILL STEP ON HER FOOT HERE, BUT I MEAN, WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD PUT OUT A BROCHURE WITH A RANGE THAT HAS NOT, I MEAN, WE COULD GIVE IT TO HER.
WELL, IT'S BEING EDITED, BUT BY THE TIME IT GOES OUT FOR PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION, I THINK THE LEGISLATION SHOULD MATCH.
SO, SO WE, SO I THINK WHEN YOU LEGISLATION THAT HAS A MORE ACCURATE SALARY RANGE, UM, THAT CAN, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT GOES IN
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THE BROCHURES THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IS REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE.CAUSE THAT QUESTION IS COMING AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE LEGISLATION THAT ADDRESSES THAT SOONER OR LATER, WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE CARE OF IT NOW.
AND IF THAT'S THE COURSE COUNSEL UNDERGO, WE WOULDN'T EVEN USE THE WORDS REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE.
WE JUST PUT IT IN WHAT THE NEW SALARY.
SO WHAT IS COMPETITIVE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS COUNCIL BELIEF? CAN I SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS YOU PUT THE CURRENT ANNUAL SALARY RANGE FOR THIS POSITION AS BLANK, WHICH THEN LEAVES IT OPEN TO SAY, OH, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE.
AND THEN YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
BUT WHATEVER THE CURRENT SIDE SALARY SITUATION IS, AND THEN YOU CAN SAY DEPENDENT ON CANDIDATE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT BEFORE.
I CAN SAY WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS.
AND IF PATTY AND TONY IS LOOKING TO HAVE THIS OUT LIKE ASAP, AND WHAT'S SOME FINER CHANGES, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME COMMON GROUND ON WHAT WE CAN TO GET THIS OUT NOW.
AND THEN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO STATING WHAT THE CURRENT SALARY IS AND THEN STILL LEAVE IN THERE THAT IT'S NEGOTIABLE BASED ON EXPERIENCING VACATIONS? I MEAN, IS THAT AT THE WORDS, BUT IT'S NEGOTIABLE.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING CURRENT IN FRONT OF ANNUAL ALLIANCE, THEIR CURRENT ANNUAL SALARY RANGE FOR THIS POSITION.
THAT'S IT? IS THAT RIGHT? YOUR CURRENT SALARY ANNUAL SALARY RANGE FOR THIS POSITION IS, WELL, IF YOU SAY RANGE, YOU'RE GOING TO GO FROM SOMETHING TO SOMETHING.
CURRENT ANNUAL SALARY RANGE IS THAT'S ALL JERRY WAS SAYING AS THE CURRENT, RIGHT.
I THOUGHT THE SUGGESTION WAS THE CURRENT SALARY FOR THIS POSITION IS WHAT YOU ARE PAYING ME.
THAT WAY THEY KNOW THIS IS WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S NEGOTIABLE BASED ON IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS AND POSSIBLY ADJUST IT, THAT GETS IT OUT SOONER.
SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT PAY.
SO THE ISSUE WOULD BE, AS YOU WOULD POST, IT WOULD BE PLUS OR MINUS THE CURRENT SALARY FOR THIS POSITION IS QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
PATTY WILL HAVE THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE, BUT TO NEGOTIATE THAT UP OR DOWN.
UM, BUT THE CURRENT SALARY FOR THIS POSITION IS 1 0 8 TO 1 77, BUT IT'S NOT.
YOU'RE NOT THE CITY MANAGER, SIR.
SO THERE IS NO CURRENT SALARY FOR THIS POSITION OF CITY MANAGER THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS, BUT AT THE INTERIM TO THE LANGUAGE, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO KNOW THAT THE JOB WAS WORTH FREAKING TAKEN.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE ARGUING ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S YOU, IF SOMEBODY THINKS THEY'RE TO COME HERE AND MAKE A HUNDRED, $8,000, YOU'LL GET ANYBODY TO APPLY FOR THIS JOB.
AND IF YOU PUT 175,000 IN THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THAT.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED, THAT'S A REGIONALLY COMPETITIVE SALARY.
WE'RE JUST NOT, SO WE'VE NEVER STAGED IT.
AND YOU MAY HAVE TO EXPECT FAMILY.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY JOB POSTING I'VE EVER SEEN SHOWS A RANGE, A RANGE OF BENEFITS OR STARTING AT THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO PUT STARTING AT A HUNDRED, 8,000, WERE IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO PUT 175 AS THIS IS THE CURRENT SALARY WE'RE, THAT'S GOING TO BE EXPECTED.
THAT ARE MORE, I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING FORWARD A, A MODIFICATION, THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND A SALARY RANGE ON MONDAY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE KNOW TO BE IN THE MARKET TODAY.
IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER.
AND THEN WHEN THE BROCHURE IS OUT ON THE STREET, IT WILL REFLECT THE SALARY RANGE THAT IS REFLECT.
IT WILL IDENTIFY A SALARY RANGE THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT IS COMPETITIVE IN THE REGION.
AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THAT COMPETITIVE IN THE REGION THOUGH.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS.
WELL, NOT QUITE HONESTLY, MR. OTTO, THAT, THAT THERE AREN'T MANY FACTORS.
I JUST RECEIVED A SALARY SURVEY, UH, FROM THE CITY OF CENTERVILLE A WEEK AGO.
I MEAN, WE BENCHMARK SALARIES ON A REGULAR BASIS AMONGST ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD.
THERE'S NOT MUCH RESEARCH TO DO.
YOU CALL THE HR DEPARTMENT OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU PAYING YOUR
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PEOPLE? IT IS OUR AVERAGE HOUSING VALUE.THE SAME AS OUR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, THE SAME THAT'S THOSE ARE WHERE DIFFERENT CITIES.
OKAY, SARAH, I WOULD, I WOULD DISAGREE.
YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE BEST TALENT THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LEAD THIS ORGANIZATION FORWARD.
AND THAT COMES AT A COST REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE TAX BASE IS OR IS NOT OKAY.
VERBIAGE JANUARY, LIKE WHAT'S LEFT LAST.
HOW FAST CAN WE GET OUT IF WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THIS CAN BE OUT BY NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN GET AGREEMENT ON SOME, BUT IT CAN BE, IT COULD BE OUT SOONER.
IF WE KNEW WE WERE JUST GOING TO PUT A DEFINITIVE NUMBER IN THERE AND THEN CHANGE THE LEGISLATION LATER, IT COULD GET OUT TWO DAYS.
THINK I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK WE NEED TO ADD WHAT THE, WHAT THE CURRENT SALARY IS AT.
PATTY CHANGED THE PLUS OR MINUS BASED ON CANDIDATE QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM A LEGISLATION PERSPECTIVE.
AND THAT GIVES THE COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO PLUS OR MINUS BASED ON THE TALENT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US TO MAKE A DECISION.
ONCE WE GET TO A POINT OF WANTING TO HIRE A CANDIDATE, WE GOT IT.
THAT WRAPS UP THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE MEETING, THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON SAVING PAPER.
SO WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE SALE OF PROPERTY AT COMPETITIVE BIDDING, WHERE PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR, COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING ADVANTAGE TO A PERSON WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVATE INTERESTS IS ADVERSE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST.
IS THERE A MOTION NANCY AND I MOVE, WE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, CAN I GET AN, A PROPERTY AREA AND THE CITY HE PROVIDES? WELL, MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS IF THIS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE BRAND PIPE REVITALIZATION AREA, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING SOME STUFF BACK SO THAT WE CAN START STEP ONE IN THE PROCESS, THE CONDITION.
THIS WAS LANGUAGE DRAFTED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR.
AND, UH, TYPICALLY YOU WOULDN'T GET THAT SPECIFIC IN THE IDENTIFICATION BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF GOING INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS TO PROTECT THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, JOHNNY? MS. BAKER? YES.
MR. SHAWL, NO MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO ONE.
WE ARE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ANY DEFINITIVE ACTION FROM THAT POINT WILL BE, THIS IS 9 37.
WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN.
SO AT 9 37, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
SO WE HAD, UM, MR. SHAW AND MR. OTTO, UH, DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND GOT UP AND LEFT WITHOUT ANY, UH, EXPLANATION.
SO WITH LACK OF A CORUM, UH, WE HAVE RETURNED BACK OUT TO THE DIOCESE AND NO DECISIONS WERE MADE.
SO NOW AT 9 37, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.