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WELCOME TO SEE IF HE WRITES CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS DECEMBER 7TH, 2021.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 1.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW IS BAKER HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE? MRS. BERG.
MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
UP IS I NUMBER TWO, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE ONE SET OF MINUTES THIS EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM TWO, A FOR NOVEMBER 16TH, 2021.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED FOR EVERYONE TO REVIEW.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS, THOSE MENTAL STANDARDS APPROVED ANYONE.
[ City Manager Report]
NEXT UP.IS I NUMBER THREE, WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
THE REASON WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE.
THIS IS A HECK OF AN AGENDA OF THE NIGHT, UH, UH, ITEM THREE A IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.
SO BRIAN, IF I'M GOING TO TURN THIS, THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS FOR, UH, COUNCIL TONIGHT, UH, WANT TO TOUCH ON, UH, FIRST THE COMMUNITY PLAYGROUND.
IF A COUNCIL WILL RECALL, UH, WE HAD AN ACTIVE VANDALISM OVER THERE, AND SO, UM, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT GETTING SOME EQUIPMENT BACK INTO THAT FACILITY.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS UTILIZING BOTH THE INSURANCE PAYOUT FOR THAT, AS WELL AS THE REVENUES THAT WE HAD LEFT OVER FROM THE MONETA FIELD PROJECT.
SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER AND USE THAT TO REPLACE THE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT THERE THAT WAS DAMAGED.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO THEN KEEP US ON SCHEDULE WITH THE , UH, EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALSO ALREADY PLANNED FOR 2022.
SO WANTED TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, 64 75 RIP RAP ROAD.
THAT SHOULD BE AN ADDRESS THAT MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION ON THE 27TH OF DECEMBER.
AND, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT'LL BE DOWN, UH, IN QUICK ORDER THAT IS PENDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION THAT IS ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA TONIGHT FOR THE 13.
UM, SPEAKING OF COMING DOWN 59 0 1 LANCER COURT SHOULD BE ANOTHER ADDRESS.
COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WE RECEIVED A FAVORABLE RULING FROM A MAGISTRATE FROM THE MAGISTRATE EARLIER IN THIS MATTER, THE JUDGE DID AFFIRM THE MAGISTRATE'S OPINION YESTERDAY.
SO WE ARE NOW WAITING OUT A 30 DAY FINAL, UH, NEXT OF KIN NOTICE.
AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN DEMOLITION ON THAT STRUCTURE AS WELL, AND, UH, IN MID TO LATE JANUARY.
AND THEN, UH, JUST A FINAL SUBJECT, ACTUALLY.
GOOD TIMING, MR. SHAW THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH COUNCIL ON IS, UM, REGARDING THE WATER SYSTEM AND THE, UH, 2022 BUDGET, UH, COUNSEL, AS YOU RECALL, YOU RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME OVER THE WEEKEND AND I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT, TO KIND OF SET THE TONE, I THINK FOR LATER IN THE MEETING.
SO, UM, AS YOU ARE ALL AWARE, AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT OTHERWISE BE AWARE, UM, COUNSEL MADE THE INVESTMENT, UH, THIS YEAR TO LINE, UH, SOME WATER MAIN WITHIN A FEW PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WITHIN THE LAST 45 DAYS, WE'VE SEEN TWO BREAKS, UM, IN THE AREA WHERE WE LINED.
AND SO, UH, I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT, UM, WE'RE TAKING THIS ISSUE VERY SERIOUSLY AND THAT WE ARE, ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO RESOLVING WHATEVER THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE GOOD INVESTMENTS, UH, WITH THE CITY'S MONEY.
AND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE CONTRACTOR HAS NOT YET INVOICED TO THE CITY FOR THE WORK.
SO WE HAVE NOT PAID, UH, FOR THIS WORK.
AND SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO THIS PARTICULAR MATTER AS TO WHY THE WATER MAIN BROKE AS IS THE CONTRACTOR.
WE ARE RUNNING TWO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS TO SEE IF WE CAN DETERMINE SIMILAR RESULTS OR TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS.
A LINING DOES HELP THE PIPE RESIST CERTAIN TYPES OF BREAKS, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP RESIST ALL TYPES OF BREAKS.
SO WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT CAUSED THIS PIPE TO BREAK AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS SOMETHING THE LINER WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP.
UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME DIALOGUE, COUNCIL'S HAD SIGNIFICANT DIALOGUE AT THIS TABLE.
AND SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE AS STAFF ARE DOING WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
MOVING FORWARD, BASED ON THAT DIALOGUE A LITTLE LATER TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION, BUT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, UH, STAFF HAS GONE BACK AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE HAVE PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR IMPROVING THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
IN 2022, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED ANOTHER $300,000 IN REVENUES THAT CAN BE PUT TOWARDS IMPROVING WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN 2023 AND EVERY YEAR BEYOND.
UH, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED AND INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A UTILITY SYSTEM.
INTEGRITY STUDY IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.
AND, UH, I WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT THAT STUDY FOR JUST ONE MOMENT.
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KNOW MR. SHAW, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER AND MR. CAMPBELL, UH, I KNOW WERE VERY VOCAL, UM, IN THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT THAT THIS STUDY WAS NOT DONE PREVIOUSLY.AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS OTHER DISAPPOINTMENT EXPRESSED ON THIS COUNCIL.
SO, UH, I WANT EVERY, EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT AND I WANT TO OFFER MY APOLOGIES TO YOU ALL THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WORK DONE WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT WORK DONE.
AND SO WE'VE PUT THIS MONEY IN THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS WORK DONE.
UH, THE MESSAGE THAT COUNCIL SENT WAS HEARD BY ME, IT WAS HEARD BY STAFF, UH, AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS MATTER VERY SERIOUSLY, AND WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER TO YOU THIS PRODUCT AS SOON AS WE CAN, UM, TO THAT.
UM, WE ARE, UH, ALREADY REACHING OUT TO FIRMS ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE REGION TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE ARE GOING TO RFP WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING UH, TO, TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY MADE CONNECTION WITH FOUR FIRMS, UH, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO REACH OUT, UH, TO OTHER FIRMS RIGHT NOW.
OUR TENTATIVE SCHEDULE IS TO BRING FORWARD IN, UH, THE LAST MEETING IN JANUARY, THE RFP, SEEKING YOUR PERMISSION TO RELEASE THAT.
AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING TO YOU THE AWARD OF THAT AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
SO OUR GOAL AND OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO GET THIS DONE, TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND DELIVER IT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE EFFECTIVE DECISIONS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THIS STUDY IS GOING TO PRESENT WHEN IT COMES TO UTILIZING THE MONEY THAT IS IN THE 2022 BUDGET AND UTILIZING THE MONEY GOING FORWARD.
SO, UM, I COMMIT TO YOU THAT THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS PROJECT, UH, WILL INVOLVE ME THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY ENGINEER TO DO ON HIS OWN.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO ASK ANYONE ELSE IN THE ORGANIZATION TO DO ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF YOUR MESSAGE TO ME.
AND BECAUSE OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS ISSUE TO THIS COMMUNITY, I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PARTICIPANT FROM START TO FINISH ON THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTIVATION THAT IS NEEDED TO GET THIS DONE IS THERE.
AND THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE VOCALIZED BY ME, BUT MY PRESENCE AND INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROJECT SHOULD DEMONSTRATE ITS IMPORTANCE TO STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE WORK WITH.
SO I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS ISSUE NOW THAT RELATES TO THE BUDGET.
UM, AND SO I ALSO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT.
UM, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, COUNCIL HAD, UH, DIRECTED STAFF TO GO FORWARD AND BRING TOGETHER A TEMPORARY BUDGET.
AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT A PERMANENT BUDGET, AND WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD TONIGHT A PERMANENT BUDGET FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THE 13TH.
AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT, AND I HAVE TALKED TO MR. SHAW AND MR. CAMPBELL ABOUT THIS IS THE REASON THAT WE'VE DONE THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE NECESSARY RESOURCES THAT COUNCIL ASKS FOR, WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAD AVAILABLE.
SO WITH THIS STUDY, WE ARE HOPEFUL AND WE ARE OPTIMISTIC THAT ONCE WE CAN DEFINE AND BETTER DETAIL WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS, WE CAN WORK HARDER AND SMARTER TO FIND THE LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS OR THE LONG-TERM RESOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM.
AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON THAT AND THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PERMANENT BUDGET IN PLACE.
SO STAFF CAN FOCUS ON WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
AND THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON IS GETTING THIS STUDY DONE.
AND SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. SEAN.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. CAMPBELL, BUT I, I THINK, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THAT BUDGET, THAT REQUEST FOR THE TEMPORARY BUDGET WAS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WE TOOK YOUR MESSAGE SERIOUSLY, THAT WE UNDERSTOOD YOUR FRUSTRATION SERIOUSLY, AND THAT WE MADE SURE THAT THIS WAS A PRIORITY TO US.
AND I FEEL THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT YOU WERE SENDING.
AND I FEEL THAT THAT WAS THE MESSAGE THAT WE'VE HEARD.
AND THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT FORWARD THIS BUDGET.
AND I WOULD ASK, ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE ADOPT THIS PERMANENT BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN GET ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU WANT US TO DO IN PARTICULAR, THIS STUDY.
SO I DID WANT TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AS PART OF THIS REPORT.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MAYBE COMMENTS FOR BRIAN GLENN? THANK YOU.
MA'AM UM, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LINING AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY DESIGNED TO HANDLE EVERY KIND OF BREAK.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE BASED ON WHAT WE WERE TOLD WAS THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN, WHICH WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT, OF A NEW PIPE THAT WE COULD IMAGINE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND WHATEVER A NEW PIPE COULD WAS SAYING.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UM, THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY BREAKS OCCUR.
AND THAT, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER
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THE PIPE MATERIAL IS, RIGHT? SO EVEN A STEEL PIPE BREAKS UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.SO THE PLASTIC LINERS THAT WERE IN THAT THE PLASTIC LINE, OR THAT WERE, WAS USED, IF THEY STEEL PIPE CAN NOT WITHSTAND CERTAIN FORCES AND BREAKS, THEN OBVIOUSLY A PLASTIC LINE, OR IT IS, I SHOULDN'T SAY OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT IS LOGICAL TO CONCLUDE THAT A PLASTIC LINER WOULD ALSO BREAK UNDER THE SAME FORCES UNDER WHICH A METAL PIPE WOULD BREAK.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR STAFF.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT THIS STUDY SO THAT WE CAN WITH AS MUCH CERTAINTY AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, YOU NEVER KNOW FOR SURE, UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE HOLE WHEN THE WATER MAIN BREAKS AT THE MOMENT OF BREAKS, THAT WE TAKE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN AND COME TO THE BEST ANSWER TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET RATHER THAN SPECULATE AND SAY, WELL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT ONE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, THIS LET'S GATHER AS MANY CLUES AS WE CAN.
AND IF SEVEN OF THE EIGHT CLUES ALL POINTED THE SAME THING, THEN IT'S MOST LOGICAL, THAT'S OUR ISSUE.
BUT RATHER THAN SAY, WELL, BASED ON THE TWO CLUES WE HAVE SO FAR, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A DIFFERENT, WE COULD BE HAVING A DIFFERENT STORY.
SO YES, THE, THE ALIGNERS ARE EFFECTIVELY, THE LINERS ARE DESIGNED TO EXTEND THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE PIPE UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT NOT ALL CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST ALL THE TIME ON ALL THE PIPE.
AND WE NEED TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT THIS SITUATION IS.
I GUESS I ASKED BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD REVIEW THAT LINING PROCESS AND SEE IF MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
UM, WHAT'S OUR TOTAL AMOUNT THEN BOTTOM LINE BUDGETED FOR WATERLINE REPAIRS FOR 2022 THAT WE PUT, WE PUT BACK ALL LINE.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WAS INITIALLY A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET TO BEGIN WITH.
NOW WE HAVE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL HALF, A MILLION DOLLARS TO THAT.
JANE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I'M GOING FROM MEMORY ON THAT.
CAN I ASK ONE SOUPS, ONE OTHER PROJECT, THE, UH, MARDI GRAS REPLACEMENT PROJECT, WHICH WE HAD FUNDING FOR IS ANOTHER 400,000 IN REPLACEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING ON TOP OF THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT SOME TOP OF THE NUMBER OF YEARS TALK, THANK YOU, MARK.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING FORTHRIGHT WITH WHAT YOU HEARD AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING WILLING TO, UH, PROVIDE US AN ADDED LAYER OF CONFIDENCE.
I THINK THE MESSAGE WAS THAT WE HAD A BUDGET GOING INTO 20, 22 AND A PROBLEM THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SIZE IT WAS.
SO, UM, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES BASED ON YOUR, AND STAFF'S COMMITMENT, UH, I CAN SUPPORT THE, UH, PERMANENT BUDGET.
SO IT DOESN'T DISTRACT US AND GETTING THIS PROBLEM ANALYZED.
IN REGARDS TO THE LINING PROJECT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS FURTHER SINCE, UH, MR. OTTO DOES HAVE QUESTIONS? IF WE TALK ABOUT THE ACID THAT MIGHT BE CONTAINED IN CLAY SHIRT, HAIR, HUBER HEIGHTS IS PRIMARILY ALL CLAY.
AND THAT THE BUILDING CODE MAYBE HAD CHANGED.
AND NOW THAT PIPE IS PROTECTED FROM THE ACID IN THE CLAY, AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHICH PIPES ARE PROTECTED IN WHICH PIPES ARE.
AND IF A PIPE IS A PROTECTED, THAT MIGHT BE A PIPE, WE DON'T WANT TO ALIGN.
OUR, UM, TO, TO MR. CAMPBELL TO YOUR COMMENTS ARE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE UNTIL WE KNOW WITH DEFINITIVENESS, WHAT THE ISSUE WAS WITH AS MUCH DEFINITIVENESS AS WE CAN BRING UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS WITH THE LINE OF PIPE THAT BROKE AND THE OUTCOME OF THE STUDY, THE, THE, UH, INTEGRITY STUDY, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND PROCEEDING WITH LINING.
WE WOULD INSTEAD ADVISE TO PROCEED WITH CONVENTIONAL REPLACEMENT WHEN APPROPRIATE.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD WAIT.
I WOULD BE OUR ADVICE TO COUNSEL TO WAIT UNTIL THE STUDY COMES IN UNTIL WE RECOMMIT TO REPLACE OR LINE.
SO THE MONEY WOULD BE IN THE BUDGET.
THE SOONER THE STUDY'S DONE, THE SOONER WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, THE SOONER WE'D BE ABLE TO INVEST THAT MONEY TO GET BACK AT ADDRESSING THOSE WATER MAIN ISSUES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, BUT TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, UM, THERE
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ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS WHY WATER MAINS BREAK, THEY BREAK BECAUSE OF, UM, STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT RESOLVED BECAUSE OF CHEMICAL MATTERS LIKE ACIDIC SOILS, UH, THEY BREAK BECAUSE OF, UH, SHIFTING INTO SOIL, UH, THEY BREAK BECAUSE THERE'S INFERIOR PRODUCT.SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY, UM, AND OUR CITY IS, UM, IN PARTICULAR, UM, THERE'S A DISTINCT TRANSITION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE UTILITIES, UM, AND A LOT OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE CONCENTRATION OF THESE WATER MAIN BREAKS, THE WATER MAIN IS ACTUALLY PLACED DIRECTLY UNDER THE ROAD AND BACK.
UM, DURING THOSE TIMES, UM, WHEN THEY WOULD EXCAVATE THE TRENCH, THEY'D LAY THE PIPE AND THEN THEY WOULD PUT THOSE MATERIALS RIGHT BACK ON THE PIPE.
THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE LATER YEARS, EIGHTIES, NINETIES, AND BEYOND, THEY MOVED THE WATER MAIN FROM OUT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND THEN WHEN THEY EXCAVATE THOSE TRENCHES, THEY LINE THE TRENCH WITH MATERIAL LIKE GRAVEL.
THEY WRAPPED THE PIPE IN GRAVEL, AND THEN THEY PUT A PARTICULAR TYPE OF MATERIAL BACK ON TOP.
WE CALL IT A FLOWABLE FILL RATHER THAN JUST WHAT WAS IN THE HOLE.
THE OBJECT THERE IS TO PROTECT THE PIPE FROM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE SOIL, THE ACIDIC SOILS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THAT PIPE TYPICALLY TENDS TO LAST LONGER, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE BREAKS IS IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE PIPE IS BURIED UNDER THE ROAD, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF BREAKS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING TOGETHER A LOT OF CLUES JUST BY PUTTING MORE ATTENTION ON THIS MATTER IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT THIS STUDY IS GOING TO GIVE US AS MANY DEFINITIVE CLUES ABOUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS GOING FORWARD.
SO IN MY OPINION, UH, I THINK THE FACT THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO THIS, THE FACT THAT WE, AS STAFF ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS SERIOUS AND AS SERIOUSLY AS WE SHOULD HAVE THE FIRST TIME AROUND, UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO DO THIS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION IN VERY SHORT ORDER TO, TO HELP COUNSEL, UM, AND PLAN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS INFRASTRUCTURE HEALTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING? YEP.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE RESEARCHING ENGINEERING FIRMS. GREAT.
SO JANUARY, WE'RE GOING TO GET AN RFP, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'LL BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL AND ASK YOU TO RELEASE THAT YET, BECAUSE IN MARCH WE WOULD AWARD THE RFP.
HOW LONG WOULD THIS STUDY TAKE? SO THAT DEPENDS ON, UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
ONCE WE GET TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE FIRMS AND GET IN FOR FEEDBACK FROM THEM ABOUT THEY'RE THINKING, WE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE THEM WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING SHORTER.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING LONGER, BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THEIR COSTS WOULD BE JUST ALL BACK THE NAPKIN.
AT THIS POINT, WE ARE JUST SCHEDULING TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO DID WE EVER UPDATE THE RIGHTS WEBSITE TO REPORT HER WATER PROBLEM? UH, WE HAVE NOT YET DONE THAT.
THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT STAFF.
SO IF IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE, UM, IF IT'S UP AND DONE TODAY OR I'VE NOT DONE TOMORROW, THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
BUT IT WAS JUST GOING TO THANKS, KATE.
MA'AM UH, BRIAN, UH, FIRST OF ALL ON, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR CAMPBELL THAT, UH, UH, APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET IS A UNNECESSARY STEP RIGHT NOW.
IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE PIPE BREAKS.
UM, I APPRECIATED YOUR LETTER TO COUNCIL, UM, REGARDING THE PIPE PARKS.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD, UH, COULD, UH, STATE THAT, UH, FOR THOSE AT HOME AND THOSE IN THE GALLERY HERE THAT, UH, WE ARE HALTING THE CIP FOR 20, 22 AND MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, REPLACEMENT OF MAINS IN, IN PLACE OF THAT.
IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE, THEN YES, WE WILL DO THAT.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY MORE OF THE LINER WORK, ONLY WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT UNTIL THAT STUDY CAN BE COMPLETED.
UM, IS THERE ANY TIMELINE THAT THAT'S OUR, ANY DEADLINES WE WOULD AFTER ME, IF IN FACT, WE DID WANT TO GO BACK TO CIP FOR 2022, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE LINING OR WITH REGARD TO THE MAIN ITSELF COMMITTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO REPLACEMENT OR GREENLINING.
SO, UH, WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR WHO PROVIDES THE LINING SERVICE, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR COMMENTS TO US WERE THAT, UH, WITH, UM, INCREASING COSTS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH CONVENTIONAL REPLACEMENT AND THE AVAILABILITY OF SO MUCH FEDERAL MONEY, UH, IF WE DID NOT COMMIT TO THEM IN
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JANUARY NEXT MONTH, IF WE DID NOT COMMIT TO THEM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US SERVICE IN 2022.SO, UM, NO, THAT BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION LINING WILL NOT BE AN OPTION FOR 2022 BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING THAT ALL WORK, UM, BE DONE AS CONVENTIONAL REPLACEMENT, UH, ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING WOULD NEED TO BE DONE IN THE FIRST PART OF 2022 FOR US TO BID ANY WORK RELATIVE TO CONVENTIONAL WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
SO THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE ENGINEER AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN TO YES, ENGINEER, THE AREAS THAT WE HAD FOR LINING.
AND ONCE THAT WORK IS COMPLETE, WE WILL JUDGE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE ENGINEERING RELATIVE TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE STUDY AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND DETERMINE WHAT COUNCILS WILL IS.
DO WE WAIT AND HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE STUDY RESULTS, OR IF WE HAVE STUDY RESULTS, GREENLIGHT, THAT WORK TO GO.
BUT THE NICE THING ABOUT ENGINEERING IS IT'S NEVER WASTED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOES ON THE SHELF AND WAITS UNTIL THE SEASON YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY TO INVEST.
AND A MARIJUANA FINAL QUESTION FOR BRIAN, THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GATHERING SOME INFORMATION, UH, HOW ARE WE DOING SOME FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF THE PIPE BREAKS AND HOW FAR BACK CAN WE GO? WE'RE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE PITS WHO ARE SEEING THE BREAKS AND GETTING INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
SO WE'RE GATHERING INFORMATION FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOURCES.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, SO WE ARE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE HOLE AND GETTING INFORMATION FROM THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING, ARE THEY SEEING SHEAR BRAGS, WHICH IS SHIFTING DIRT, OR ARE WE SEEING CORROSION ISSUES, WHICH IS, WHICH ARE THE ACIDIC ISSUES.
SO WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION FROM THEM ABOUT WHAT IT IS, UH, WHAT IT IS THEY'RE SEEING.
SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE LOCATION OF PIPES.
SO YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK GENERALLY ABOUT THAT EARLIER TONIGHT.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS, UM, WHEN DID WE CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INSTALLING WATER MAIN? SO THAT'LL HELP TELL US SOME, SOME KEY PIECES OF INFORMATION.
SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS WE'RE TALKING, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH BOWZER MORTAR ABOUT SOIL SAMPLES, TAKING CORE SAMPLES IN AREAS WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF BREAKS VERSUS AREAS WHERE WE ARE NOT SEEING THE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF BREAKS.
SO THAT'LL TELL US, YOU KNOW, AS THE SOIL ROOTS ARE, ARE THERE DIFFERENT SOIL CONDITIONS? WHERE ARE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THOSE RELATED? MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SOIL GENERAL SOIL CONDITIONS, AREN'T DIFFERENT AND AREAS, BUT MAYBE THE AGE OF THE PIPE WHEN THE PIPE WIND IN THE GROUND IS DIFFERENT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THE STUDY IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE THINK THIS IS HAPPENING BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, WHAT DO WE BELIEVE IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY, UH, TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES? WHAT IS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WAY GOING TO COST AND WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE COST-EFFECTIVE MEASURES? AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO GET OUT OF THIS STUDY, AND THEN WE CAN PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AND YOU CAN MAKE THE POLICY DECISION ABOUT HOW WE IMPLEMENT THAT INFORMATION.
UM, YOUR EMAIL WAS VERY HELPFUL AND, UH, JUST, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS.
UH, BRIAN IN YOUR EMAIL, UM, IT SAYS THAT, AND THIS IS PRELIMINARY.
SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT BOTH BREAKS SEEM TO BE CAUSED BY SHIFTING SOILS, CORRECT.
SO, UM, SHIFTING SO MOST PEOPLE KNOW SHIFTING SOILS IS THE FREESTYLE EFFECT.
SO WATER MAIN IS NOT LOCATED VERY LOW IN THE GROUND.
AND SO TYPICALLY WE SEE THEM MOST OFTEN IN COLD WEATHER.
SO THE FREESTYLE EFFECT FORCES THE DIRT AND THE SOILS TO MOVE, AND THAT CAUSES STRUCTURE AGAINST THE PIPE.
AND THEN THAT BREAKS THE TYPE AND THAT'S A EFFECTIVELY, A SHEER BREAK.
AND SO THAT'S THE INITIAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SEEN, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO GO BACK AND HAVE MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION WITH THE FOLKS THAT WERE THERE WORKING IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AS THAT DISSIMILAR TO OTHER BREAKS THAT THEY HAVE SEEN.
WHAT IS THE FREQUENCY OF BREAKS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE SYSTEM OR THE FREQUENCY OF BREAKS WE'RE SEEING? ARE THEY CORROSIVE IN NATURE? ARE THEY THESE SHEER BREAKS? SO IF YOU KNOW, ONE OUT OF EVERY 10 BREAKS IS SHEAR AND THE OTHER NINE OUT OF 10 BREAKS ARE CORROSIVE AND THESE ARE TWO SHEAR BREAKS AND WE DON'T SEE ANY OTHER BREAKS IN THE AREA.
WE DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION OF CORROSION.
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TIMING WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THE LINING ACTUALLY WORKED THE WAY THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S SO NEW AND THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES.SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO LEARN THE LONGER THAT THIS MATERIAL IS IN THE PIPE AND THE PIPE IS IN SERVICE, THE MORE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING, EVEN WHEN IT APPEARS, WE'RE GETTING NO INFORMATION.
THANK YOU, BRIAN RUSS, UM, WHEN DID YOU START OR WHEN DID WE START THE LINING PROJECT? UH, I STARTED IN MAY I BELIEVE OR TWO.
UM, THAT'S THE MOST CURRENT ONE.
DID WE DO THAT? DID WE DO A LINING PROJECT LAST YEAR? NO.
THIS YEAR WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE DONE.
WE DID A REPLACEMENT PROJECT THE YEAR BEFORE ON NEAR HARSHMAN BILL, BUT NOT, BUT NOT LINING.
UH, MAYOR, UM, I THINK BRIAN MENTIONED THAT WE'D GO OUT WITH AN RFP ON IN JANUARY AND THEN, UH, AWARD THE CONTRACT IN MARCH.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PRECLUDES US FROM STARTING THE RFP PROCESS IN DECEMBER THIS MONTH? AND THAT WOULD MOVE UP THE AWARD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD STOP US FROM DOING THAT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW SOON STAFF COULD GET DONE RP PREPARED.
THE ISSUE IS JUST THE AVAILABILITY OF TIME BECAUSE WE'RE FINISHING UP CURRENT PROJECTS, WE'RE TRYING TO TEE UP ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PROFESSIONALS CAN DELIVER VERSUS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW.
SO IF WE COULD DO IT FASTER, MR. LYONS, BELIEVE WE WOULD, BUT I'M TAKING THIS PROJECT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH THAT I WOULD RATHER GO SLOWER AND BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE THAN TRY TO DELIVER YOU A PRODUCT IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
THAT MIGHT BE LESS ACCURATE THAN IT COULD BE IF WE TOOK OUR TIME AND SPEEDING UP THE RFP PROCESS WOULD GIVE US A WATER, THE DOWN VERSION.
WELL, IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MET OR TALKED WITH ENGINEERS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FROM THIS STUDY AND THE CAPABILITY OF THAT STUDY, WE COULD BE ASKING FOR A PRODUCT THAT NO ONE CAN DELIVER, OR THAT IS GOING THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THE INFORMATION MIGHT COST MORE OR TAKE LONGER.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THE PROFESSIONALS, WHEN WE'RE ASKING THEM TO TELL US WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND, MAYBE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
W DID, WHEN DID MR. SHAW REQUEST THIS STUDY? HOW LONG AGO? I THINK COUNTS.
I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE MAYBE FOUR, ONE TO FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE MONTHS AGO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M LOOKING AT ABOUT JUNE OR JULY.
THE CONVERSATION THAT STARTED BEFORE THAT, UM, STAFF, BUT THAT WAS THE OFFICIAL, UH, TIMEFRAME FOR COUNCIL.
MA'AM ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY? NO, THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO WITHHOLD SOME OF MY COMMENTS FOR OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION.
UH, JIM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, PRIOR TO THAT, UM, HAS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS LEARNED, UM, HOW MUCH FUNDING WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT? NO.
THE, OH YOU MEAN THE MOST RECENT SEARCH? NO, THERE'S BEEN NO COMMUNICATION OF THAT, JUST THAT, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT BILL WAS PASSED, UH, AND, UM, I'VE NOT SEEN ANY COMMUNICATIONS.
I HAVE NOT TAKEN PART IN ANY WEBINARS THAT, UH, I'VE KNOWN TO BE MADE AWARE OF.
SO AS SOON AS THOSE ARE OUT THERE, I WILL ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS OBVIOUSLY.
AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I'M WANTING TO SAY IT WAS ROUGHLY JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
WE HAD TO CREATE A FUND FOR THE AMERICAN RESCUE ACT PLAN FUNDS.
UM, WE WERE SET TO RECEIVE, UH, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT AT ROUGHLY THREE, $3.7 MILLION, UH, RUN JULY, AUGUST OF LAST YEAR AND ANOTHER 3.7 MILLION, UH, IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, HAVE THOSE NUMBERS CHANGED? UH, YES.
THEY HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT.
UM, WE RECEIVED, UH, JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION THIS SUMMER.
I CAN'T RECALL WHETHER IT WAS JULY OR AUGUST AND WE'RE SET TO RECEIVE ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS, UM, 12 MONTHS FROM THEN.
SO THAT'D BE ABOUT THE JULY, AUGUST TIMEFRAME OF 2022.
AND, UH, THE REASON BEHIND THAT WAS, UH, THE STATE DECIDED TO INCLUDE TOWNSHIPS, UH, IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE FUNDING.
SO OUR ORIGINAL, UH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WAS CLOSE TO SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS
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TOTAL.THAT WAS, UH, A PORTION TO COME TO THE SAFETY OF RIGHTS.
AND THAT WAS CUT DOWN TO A TOTAL OF 4 MILLION OVER THE TWO YEARS.
HOW MUCH OF THAT DO WE HAVE ENCUMBERED RIGHT NOW? I THINK IT'S ABOUT 150,000.
IF I RECALL, I CAN'T RECALL THE EXACT AMOUNT IT WAS FOR THE INITIAL STUDY ON THE EAST WATER EXTENSION.
UM, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A, UM, A WATER EXTENSION AND SEWER LINE EXTENSION, UH, TOWARDS FAIRBORN.
AND SO THE INITIAL COSTS OF THAT ON THE WATER PORTION WERE ENCUMBERED OUT OF THE ARPA MONIES.
SO TO, TO STATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR PER FUNDS LEFT, THAT IS UNENCUMBERED WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT.
YES, IT WOULD BE, UH, MORE THAN THAT, YES.
AND IT, UM, WOULD IT BE, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I KNOW OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH SOME OF THE FACTS SHEETS THAT'S BEEN COMING OUT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, DO YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE ESTIMATES WOULD BE COMPARED TO THE CARES ACT AND THE ARPA FUNDS WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT? I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ESTIMATES TO DATE NOW.
EXCELLENT MAYOR, AS I STATED ALL WITHHOLD THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
I THINK ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE FOR, UH, BRIAN REGARDING HIS REPORT? OKAY.
[ 2022 Annual Legislation]
UP WOULD BE ITEM THREE, B, WHICH IS THE 20, 22 ANNUAL LEGISLATION.IF NOT, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS, UM, APPROVED FOR, UH, NOT TO EXCEED, UH, ANNUAL AMOUNTS FOR 2022 FOR VARIOUS VENDORS FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS OF THE CITY IT'S SETTING UP SO THAT THEY COULD BEGIN TO SPEND MONEY AGAINST THOSE ACCOUNTS.
UH, BEGINNING, JANUARY 1ST, 2022, UH, THERE, THIS DID HAVE A FIRST READING AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND HAS BEEN PASSED TO A SECOND READING, UH, FOR THE DECEMBER 13TH COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, THERE IS ONE CHANGE THAT WAS, UH, IDENTIFIED BY CITY STAFF TO THIS LEGISLATION.
AND THAT IS, UH, THE FIRE DIVISION AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE, UM, THE AMOUNT LISTED IN THE LEGISLATION FOR CHANGE HEALTHCARE, WHICH IS THE VENDOR THAT DOES THE EMS BILLING BE INCREASED, UH, IN THE RESOLUTION FROM 90,000 TO 120,000.
SO, UH, IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH THAT AND WANTS TO MAKE THAT APPROVAL, THEN ON MONDAY, UH, THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT RESOLUTION AT THE SECOND READING, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION AS, OKAY.
TONY HAS ITEMS THAT'S ITEM YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, OFFEND THE, UM, THE HEALTH CARE FOR HIM.
I SPELLING, NO, UH, THAT'S FOR 2021, UH, THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA LATER TONIGHT, UH, THIS IS A SPECIFIC RESOLUTION THAT HAD A FIRST READING ON NOVEMBER 22ND AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
IT WAS DISCUSSED AND THERE WAS A CHANGE PRIOR TO THAT, OR SINCE THAT TIME.
IF I COULD COMMENT ON THAT, UH, MR. WEBB, THE, UM, PART OF THE REASON FOR THE OTHER ITEM IN THE AGENDA WE FOUND THIS YEAR AS COLLECTIONS INCREASED, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE A, UM, PER COLLECTION FEE FOR THAT.
AND SO WE, AS WE, AS I NOTICED THAT IT WAS INCREASING, I TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF AND I SAID, WE NEED THIS LEGISLATION TO INCREASE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO SPEND WITH THAT VENDOR FOR 2021.
AND IT'S COMING AT THE SAME TIME AS THE ANNUAL LEGISLATION FOR 2022.
AND SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S INCREASED THIS YEAR, LET'S INCREASE IT FOR NEXT YEAR BEFORE COUNCIL PASSES IT.
AND THAT'S WHY THE INCREASE FROM 90 TO 120,000, IT JUST REPRESENTS A FEE BASED ON MORE COLLECTION FOR THOSE SERVICES.
AND AS THE CITY GROWS IN POPULATION, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE SERVICE, UH, MORE EMS SERVICES PROVIDED.
I CAN REMEMBER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO WENDY'S MEETING.
[ Disposal of Surplus Property - Police Division]
UP IS I AM THREE SEAT, WHICH IS DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY FOR THE POLICE DIVISION.UH, THIS IS FOR THE RELEASE OF TWO VEHICLES IN THE CITY'S INVENTORY.
ONE OF WHICH WAS TOTALED IN A, AN ACCIDENT DURING, UM, DURING A LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS JUST AN OUTDATED VEHICLE THAT'S BEING REPLACED.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? OKAY.
[ Increase Not to Exceed Amount - Change Healthcare - Fire Division]
ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR CHANGE HEALTHCARE, FIRE DIVISION.SO IS THAT ALL PART OF WHAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE? SECOND PART OF WHAT JIM JUST DESCRIBED AND MR. LAMP WAS ASKING ABOUT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT
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TO SPEAK ANYMORE.WE NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT PIECE.
I ACTUALLY PUT THIS TOGETHER AND THEN SEND IT TO THE FIRE CHIEF TO GET ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO, UH, IT WAS JUST LEGISLATION THAT HE HAD NOT COME ACROSS BEFORE.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY FINANCE LETS THE DEPARTMENTS KNOW IF, UH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXCEED BY PAYMENTS, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, THE AMOUNT THAT COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVED AND DISTILLATION.
SO I SAID, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO YOU NEED TO HAVE A, NOT TO EXCEED THE LEGISLATION APPROVED.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS HAS BEING BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THEM INTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
AM THREE E IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.THIS, UM, UH, I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU.
UH, UH, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
UM, THE, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL THAT YOU HAD BEFORE YOU AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UM, ONLY HAD TWO ITEMS ON IT AND, UH, HAS SINCE GROWN QUITE A BIT, UH, AS WE TRY AND TWEAK THE FINAL NUMBERS THAN WHAT WE EXPECT TO EXPENSES TO COME IN, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, UH, THE TWO ITEMS AT THE TOP OF YOUR ORIGINAL LIST THAT WENT OUT, UM, FOR THE, UM, UH, TRANSFER THE GAS TAX FUND THAT CARRIES TRAILS FUND, UH, FOR WINDBROOK SECTION THREE, TWO, AND THE GINETTA STREET PUMP STATION, THOSE WERE ON YOUR ORIGINAL, UH, COUNCIL DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A QUORUM, BUT THERE WASN'T A, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT A SUPER MAJORITY TO, TO PASS IT WITH YOU COULDN'T WAIVE THE SECOND RATING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES.
SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN I BELIEVE TONY CAN EXPLAIN HOW WE WOULD JUST ADD THIS AS A, UM, UH, AN AMEND.
HOW DOES THAT WORK, TONY, WHERE YOU'D ADD THIS ORDINANCE HAS PENDING AT THE SECOND READING FOR MONDAY.
UH, THE PROCESS FOR THIS WOULD BE IF COUNCIL AGREES TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT JIM'S PROPOSING, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION, UH, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT ON MONDAY, UH, TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE NEW ITEMS AND THE REVISED TOTALS.
AND, UM, IF THAT WAS APPROVED, THEN IT COULD BE ADOPTED AS AMANDA AND, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, ITEMS WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND SINCE THAT'S CHANGING, WILL THERE NEED TO BE SECOND READING AT THAT POINT OR BECAUSE THAT'S, NO, THIS WILL BE THE SECOND READING AND BY A MAN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT RECORDED IN CHICKEN, ADDITIONALLY.
SO I'M JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE ITEMS ON HERE.
UM, AS WE, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DEBT ISSUES THIS YEAR.
SO A NUMBER OF THESE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO NOW THAT WE HAVE THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE KNOW IS NEEDED FOR THE DECEMBER DEBT PAYMENTS.
UM, I'M AMENDING THE, ASKING YOU TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO ALLOW THOSE, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE ADVANCEMENT OF GAS TAX FUND IS FOR THERE.
UH, IN $38,580, WE'VE GOT, UM, ISSUANCE COSTS.
THAT'S THE $20,093 AND 47 CENTS.
UM, THOSE RATIO COSTS RELATED TO THE DEBT EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
AND THEN, UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO GET DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR WAS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE RECEIVED OVER 5 MILLION, $770,000 IN SHUTTERED VENUE, GRANT MONEY.
AND THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE, THAT WAS INITIALLY DEPOSITED IN THE SHUTTER VENUE OPERATORS GRANT FUND, AND NOW IT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE APPROPRIATE FUNDS WHERE THE EXPENSES WERE, UM, BETWEEN, UH, THE GRANT ALLOWED FOR EXPENSES BETWEEN MARCH 1ST, 2020.
AND, UM, ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY TO JUNE 30TH, 2022.
WELL, OVER THE LAST MONTH, I'VE DETERMINED ALL OF THE EXPENSES FOR THAT $5.7 MILLION HAVE OCCURRED BETWEEN 20 AND 21.
WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT TO 2022.
SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S SOME CHANGES TO THE BUDGET LATER IN 2022, WHERE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT WE HAD SENT TO YOU WHO DID MONEY IN THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR GRANT THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.
SO, UM, SO WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS, UM, TRANSFERS OF, UH, SLIGHTLY OVER $3 MILLION GOING TO THE PARKS AND REC FUND FOR EXPENSES.
THEY'RE UNDER THE MUSIC CENTER, UH, UM, DIVISION OF THAT FUND, UM, AND THEN 2,708,000 AND CHANGE, UH, GOING TO REIMBURSE DEBTS THAT WAS PAID AND THAT DEBT, UH, THE ORIGINATING DEBT WAS, UM, FROM FUNDS SUCH AS THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF FUND, UH, THE TREMBLE TO FUND AND, UH, THE ALCOR TIF FUND.
SO THOSE FUNDS WILL BE REIMBURSED TO THE TUNE OF 2,000,700, 8,000.
THEN WE'VE GOT $24,950 FOR PROPERTY DEMOLITIONS AND BRUSH OVERGROWTH REMOVAL THAT HAS, UH, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AND NEEDS TO BE, UH, TAKEN CARE OF YET THIS MONTH, UH, $24,000 ADDITIONAL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WHEN SCOTT PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, IT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $96,000.
IT'S TURNING OUT TO BE $120,000, SO THAT I'M ASKING FOR THAT INCREASE.
SO THAT CAN GET ENCUMBERED IN MOVING, UH, $5,000 FOR ART STUDENT SCHOLARSHIPS AND THAT'S MATCHED BY A T-MOBILE DONATION.
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WILL BE HANDED OUT IN ANOTHER, UH, LIKE A WEEK FROM NOW.UH, THEN WE'VE GOT $161,486 TO COVER THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE AQUATIC CENTER REVENUES AND EXPENSES FOR THE 2021 SEASON.
AND, UH, THEN, UH, I ALSO HAVE A REDUCTION OF MUSIC CENTER PERSONNEL EXPENSES OF $26,830 AND A REDUCTION OF MUSIC CENTER OPERATING EXPENSES OF $62,356.
THOSE WERE EXPENSES THAT, UH, WE DID NOT REALIZE DURING THE YEAR, SO I'M ASKING FOR THOSE TO BE REDUCED.
SO THAT WAY BUDGET VERSUS ACTUAL AS MUCH CLOSER FOR THE YEAR, UM, THE LED BOARDS, THOSE ARE THE, I THINK YOU CALL THEM THE CHILI VISION THAT YOU SEE OUT AT THE MUSIC CENTER.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THOSE OVER, IT WAS OVER A 10 YEAR, UM, UM, PROCESS WE'VE, UH, MADE, I THINK, FIVE PAYMENTS ON THAT SO FAR.
AND SINCE WE HAVE THE SHUTTER VENUE, GRANT MONEY, UM, UM, MIMI AND I WORKED TOGETHER AND SAID, WHY DON'T WE JUST PAY THOSE OFF INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN PAYING ABOUT $10,000 A YEAR.
SO I'M ASKING THAT THOSE, UH, BE PAID OFF, UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, ADDITION TO THE, UH, AQUATICS OR THE MUSIC CENTER BUDGET.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE A $16,080 RETURN OF A FIRE INSURANCE DEPOSIT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED THIS MONEY THIS YEAR, AS SOON AS IT'S DETERMINED THAT, UH, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE APPROPRIATELY, THAT MONEY WILL BE, UM, UM, UH, HAD TO BE PAID PAYBACK OUT.
AND SO JUST IN CASE THAT HAPPENS BEFORE THE END OF 2021, I WANTED TO GET THAT IN THE BUDGET.
WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'LL BE FINISHED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR, BUT EVEN IF IT IS EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE CAN ENCUMBER THE MONEY AND HAVE IT READY TO PAY IF IT IS EARLY JANUARY.
AND THEN NOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, I HAD A LIST OF, UM, SOME HIGHLIGHTED FOUR HIGHLIGHTED AREAS OF, UH, ADDITIONS THAT WERE NOT IN YOUR PACKET.
AND THOSE ARE MOSTLY RELATED TO PERSONNEL ITEMS. THESE ARE PERSONAL CHANGES THAT HAPPEN DURING THE YEAR.
AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO THIS WAS TO WAIT AND SEE IF, UH, THINGS WOULD WORK OUT WITH, UM, PEOPLE, VACATING POSITIONS AND HAVING MORE MONEY AVAILABLE, UH, TO HANDLE THOSE.
AND SO AT THIS TIME I'M COMING TO COUNCIL AND ASKING FOR, UH, THESE WOULD BE THE FINAL PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS FOR THIS YEAR AND, UM, INSURANCE CHANGES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ONE CASE THERE WAS A UNEXPECTED, UH, UM, POSITION, UH, VACATED.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO PAY OUT ANY ACCUMULATIVE VACATIONS.
AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS, UM, UH, THERE'S A $1,700 IN THE COUNCIL SECTION OF THE BUDGET.
THERE'S A $5,000 IN THE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE SECTION OF THE BUDGET MOTOR VEHICLE FUND, UH, DISPATCH PERSONNEL, 13,700.
AND, UH, THE MANAGEMENT SECTION OF THE STORMWATER FUND $1,000.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE BE ADDED TO WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PACKET THAT WAS SENT OUT TO YOU LAST WEEK AND ALL OF THESE ADDED THE AMENDING ORIGINAL THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
AND JIM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THESE ON ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ County Assessments Authorization]
ITEM THREE F IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION, JIM, SO YOU TWO, RIGHT? YES.I HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS HERE IN A ROW.
AND, UM, SO THIS ONE, NOT AS LENGTHY AS THE LAST DISCUSSION, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR, I COME TO YOU WITH, UM, ASSESSMENTS THAT, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY REQUIRES US TO GIVE YOU EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
UM, UH, JERRY WORKED WITH US A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO MAKE SURE THE LEGISLATION WAS EXACTLY THE WAY THE COUNTY, UH, REQUESTS IT.
AND SO WHAT I'VE GOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, A LITTLE BIT SHORTER LIST THAN WHAT WE HAD BACK IN AUGUST, I THINK WE CAME TO YOU WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, VERY, VERY LENGTHY LIST.
I THINK IT WAS, UH, UH, 10 OR 11 PAGES, UH, TONIGHT I'VE GOT FOR YOU THE MOST RECENT, UH, DELINQUENT WATER AND STORM WATER AND SEWER, UM, UH, BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT TO US BY SUEZ, UH, ALONG WITH SOME, UM, UH, GRASS AND WEEDS, UM, CUTTING THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
AND SO IF COUNCILS ARE ABLE TO APPROVE THESE ASSESSMENTS, THEY CAN GET ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS IN 'EM.
IF WE APPROVE THEM IN DECEMBER, THEY CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS NEXT YEAR.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 20, 23 FOR A COLLECTION.
SO WE, OUR LAST CHANCE TO GET THOSE INTO THE COUNTY TO COLLECT, UM, ON THE BILLS IN 2022, ANY OBJECTIONS.
[ 2022 City Budget]
ITEM THREE G IS THE CITY BUDGET FOR 2022.ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, YOU HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THE, UH, BUDGET
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THAT WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER IN THE MEETING AND JIM HAD JUST GONE OVER A FEW CHANGES, UH, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK IN DETAIL MORE ABOUT WHAT WAS REQUESTED OF STAFF EARLIER.UH, AND TO THAT, I HAVE A PRESENTATION OLD SCHOOL THAT, UH, I'LL PASS OUT AND I'LL OBVIOUSLY GO OVER ALL OF THIS, BUT, UH, SINCE IT INVOLVES SOME NUMBERS, I FIGURED ALL OF THE COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE A TAKE-HOME COPY.
UH, SO, UH, SO YOU COULD HAVE THAT FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND FOR POSTERITY.
SO, UH, TO THAT, UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER REGARDING THE BUDGET IN A WORK SESSION, THERE WERE KIND OF SOME THREE KEY TAKEAWAYS, WHICH WERE, UH, SENIOR STREETS AND WATER WAS THE BIG FOCUS.
UH, BUT SINCE WE WERE COMING TOGETHER FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, TO SUMMARIZE THE BUDGET AND WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH REGARD TO WATER, UH, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO JUST COVER ALL OF THESE ISSUES FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION IN A NUTSHELL, UH, AND AGAIN, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL.
SO, UM, FIRST I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH, UH, THE SENIORS.
UH, THIS IS FOUND IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET, WHICH IS FUN TO TWO 15.
AND, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, ON AVERAGE, WE'VE PROVIDED $54,000, JUST OVER $54,000 IN SUPPORT TO THE SENIORS.
UM, AND IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, UH, COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE SUBMITTAL OF $163,000 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR BUILDING, UH, THIS, THE, UH, PARKING LOT, THE STORMWATER AND THE ENTRANCE POINTS AND OF THAT GRANT, $48,000 OF THAT IS, UM, ACTUAL MONIES FROM THE CITY, NOT IN KIND SERVICES, IT'S ACTUAL DOLLARS.
AND THEN THAT SAME DAY, THAT SAME MEETING, UH, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION, UH, TO CITY STAFF TO ADD ANOTHER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, TO THE SENIORS BUDGET FOR A VARIETY OF, UM, FOR A VARIETY OF ITEMS THAT THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE.
UM, IN SUPPORT OF THAT DIRECTIVE, WE THEN MET WITH THE SENIORS ON HERE WE GO ON JULY 27TH, UH, AND WE SPOKE WITH THEM AT LENGTH.
UH, THE MEETING INCLUDED MYSELF, MR AND MR. GRAY.
AND WE TALKED WITH THEM AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT THIS MONEY COULD BE USED FOR AND SHOULD BE USED FOR.
UH, AND WE EFFECTIVELY KIND OF TURNED THE ISSUE OVER TO THEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND SAID, TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, AND WE'LL BE RESPONSIVE TO YOUR NEEDS.
SO SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING THINGS SUCH AS WINDOWS FOR THE FACILITY AND, AND, UM, UH, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT THEY EXPRESSED AT THAT TIME ABOUT, UH, HOW THE AGREEMENT MIGHT CHANGE AND WHAT RESOURCES THAT MIGHT MEAN.
AND SO WE ARE STILL WAITING ON SOME FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM THEM WITH REGARD TO THAT, BUT WE DID COMMIT TO, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL PROVIDED ON THAT.
UH, THEN, UH, AS PART OF THIS BUDGET, UH, WE HAVE INCREASED THE OPERATIONAL COMMITMENT, UH, FOR THE SENIORS, UH, NOT MUCH, BUT IT IS, UH, SOMETHING SO PUSHING ALMOST $60,000 NOW.
AND, UH, MR. WEBB, THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT OUR COMMUNICATION ISSUE INTERNALLY, UH, ON THE $50,000 THAT HAD BEEN ASKED AS WELL.
SO, UH, MY APOLOGIES THAT WE DID NOT CATCH THAT, BUT, UH, UH, THAT WAS CLEARLY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND THAT NOW IS IN THIS BUDGET.
SO WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT, UH, NEXT STREETS WAS THE COMBINATION OR THE NEXT TOPIC.
UM, YOU'VE GOT THIS UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION.
THE QUESTION WAS, WHY DOES MR. WHITE AS MR. GRAY ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE AND NOT, UH, MR. UH, MR. KING, UH, THAT WAS A STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.
UM, AT THE TIME THAT THE SENIOR CENTER WAS, UM, THE TABLE, THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE, UH, MR. KING, BUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, ELEMENT THAT, UH, SENIOR SECTION OF IT PRIOR TO WOULD HAVE FALLEN UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF MR. GRAY WHEN PARKS AND RECREATION, THAT FUNCTION WAS ALSO UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO THAT'S JUST AN ISSUE THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED STRUCTURALLY, AND I, I APPRECIATE DAVID BRIAN, IT'S CAUSING SOME CONFUSION, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CENTER, UH, BECAUSE WE REORGANIZE THAT AT LEAST A YEAR AGO, IF NOT TWO.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHO THEY REPORT TO WHEN THEY NEED MONEY.
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THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE STRUCTURE IN THAT AREA, AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO RESOLVE THEM.AND, UH, WE FIND OURSELVES NOW IN THIS TRANSITION POINT.
AND SO THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING UP WITH THE INCOMING MANAGER WHEN THEY ARRIVE AS AN ITEM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IS THAT, UH, YOU'VE GOT FOUR 50, $9,540 FOR SENIOR OPERATIONS AND 50,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND PURCHASES.
UM, WHICH ONE IS WHEN YOU SAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN PURCHASES, UM, IS THIS WHERE IT'S IT'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? IS THAT, IS THIS THE BUILDING, IS THIS BUILDING MAINTENANCE? YEP.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE, THE ITEMS THAT ARE NON-OPERATIONAL THAT THE SENIORS WOULD IDENTIFY.
AND THEN WE WOULD REVIEW INTERNALLY HOW THOSE REQUESTS WOULD BEST BE PLACED IN THE BUDGET.
SO IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE CAPITAL ITEMS, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR, OKAY, I KNOW THEY NEED NEW WINDOWS, WHICH ONE IS THIS COMING OUT OF? SO THE HUD, THE WINDOWS WOULD COME FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND FROM THE, THE, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, NOT THE OPERATIONAL MONEY, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY.
I THINK SOMETHING'S GOT LOST HERE BECAUSE WHEN WE, WHEN WE APPROPRIATED THE INITIAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, IT WAS BECAUSE THEY HAD GONE MANY YEARS COVERING WHAT I CALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE TO THE BUILDING UPGRADES THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS SORT OF A REIMBURSEMENT FOR, UH, ALL THEIR EFFORTS, UH, PLUS TO GIVE THEM SOME EVERYDAY OPERATING FUNDS TO WORK ON.
SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY FOR IF THEY NEED WINDOWS OR ROOF OR WHATEVER ELSE, IT'S THEIR MONEY TO SPEND HOW THEY FEEL APPROPRIATE.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE, RIGHT? BUT THAT IF THEY WANT WINDOWS THAT STOPPED TO COME OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SEPARATE THING FOR CAPITALISM.
IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, TWO SEPARATE FUNDS, ONE FOR THEIR DAILY OPERATIONS, IF THEY HAVE TO BUY NEW TABLES, CHAIRS, WHATEVER ELSE, BUT THEN ANOTHER FUND FOR MAINTAINING THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE IN THIS AND THIS SEPARATION HERE.
AND IT SHOULD NOT INCLUDE WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY BEEN GIVEN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE INTENT.
SO I'LL HAVE ME AND MY I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
THEN I, AS I RECALLED FROM THAT MEETING AND FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL HAD, THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS TO GO INTO THE SENIOR CITIZEN, THAT THEY CAN BUY WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT WAS NECESSARY, INAPPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT FACILITY MORE APPROPRIATE.
THERE WAS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WAS HAD, UH, I KNOW AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, WHERE WE WERE ADVISED THAT CERTAIN ELEMENTS AND COMPONENTS OF AGREEMENT TO STRUCTURE WERE NO LONGER VALID AND THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO AMEND WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THEM ON THE 27TH.
AND THEN AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE REQUEST FOR $50,000 WAS NOT JUST OPERATIONS.
IT WAS $50,000 FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANT IT NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS TO, UH, PUT WINDOWS IN, BUY NEW AWNINGS, PROVIDE FOR TABLES AND CHAIRS.
I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING THAT.
AND THIS IS I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT THIS BE REVIEWED AGAIN, NOT TO DELAY THIS BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE THIS, THIS JUST PERPETUATES THE PROBLEM THAT WE FACED BEFORE THE, THE PREVIOUS UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF THE, IF THIS SENIOR CENTER NEEDED SOMETHING DONE LIKE THE DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING THAT THEY CAME TO THE CITY, THEY WENT TO MIKE GRAY AND SAID, MIKE, WE NEED MONEY FOR THIS.
AND MIKE WOULD EITHER COME TO THE CITY AND SAY, THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE, OR WE DON'T HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
OR HE WOULD ASK, HE WOULD MAKE A REQUEST AND COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND MAKE THAT REQUEST.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SEPARATION IS SHOWING RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, JIM? OKAY.
SO MA'AM, I, I GUESS WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE AS STAFF RESPOND TO THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL PROVIDES.
SO IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS MONEY AND INVEST IT IN THE BUILDING, THEN WE'LL DO THAT.
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I THINK SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, THERE'S, WELL, IT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW.WE HAVE APPROPRIATIONS FOR $59,000 FOR, FOR THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THINGS.
AND THEN THERE IS $50,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND PURCHASES.
THE, THE OTHER LINE ITEM, I DO REMEMBER, I MEAN, WE, WE VERY CLEARLY ADDED THE EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE MINUTES TO FIND OUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THAT DIRECTION WAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST THAT IN THE MIC, THIS FAREWELL CAN SEE MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN SCOTT AND WHAT HE RELATED TO BRIAN AND HOW BRIAN HAS THIS LISTED OR WRITTEN ON A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT ALL IN ALL THERE'S, I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, I WAS TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST AS A REIMBURSEMENT TO PUT IN THE BANK FOR THE, I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I MEAN, IT WAS, IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO.
I WANT TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT SAYS, BUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS CLEARLY $60,000 FOR OPERATIONAL $50,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND PURCHASES.
THE OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IT'S ON HERE SAYS FOR VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT IS OR DO THE MINUTES SAY, DID WE DIRECT STAFF TO JUST SET BACK A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE, FOR THE SENIOR CENTER TO DO? I MEAN, TO PAY THEM BACK? I MEAN, I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S JUST GOING TO SIT IN A BANK ACCOUNT JUST TO SIT IN A BANK ACCOUNT.
THAT MONEY HAS TO BE USED FOR SOMETHING IT'S NOT JUST A REIMBURSEMENT.
JIM, HOW DO YOU, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION OR IS IT DIFFERENT OR BECAUSE I HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER SETTING UP, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU ASKED ME TO, UH, DO IT BY YOURSELF, INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENTAL.
SO I ADDED BACK IN JULY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE SENIOR CENTER BUDGET.
AND WHAT BRIAN'S TRYING TO PRESENT HERE IS THAT THE REGULAR OPERATIONS ON A NORMAL YEAR WHERE NO IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE, THAT ABA CAPITAL NATURE WOULD BE ABOUT $60,000.
SO WHAT WAS ADDED THIS YEAR WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND THAT IS PUT INTO THE CAPITAL SECTION OF THE BUDGET.
NOW, ONCE THAT'S PUT IN THERE, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE A MAINTENANCE ITEM OR CAPITAL ITEM, I HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, MOVE THOSE MONIES WHEREVER THEY NEED TO BE.
I CAN'T MOVE IT FROM AN OPERATION.
SO BY, BY ADDING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT ADDED IT TO OPERATIONS, BUT IT'S FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WHETHER IT'S A CAPITAL ITEM, WHETHER IT'S MAINTENANCE, IF IT'S JUST BUYING SOME OFFICE SUPPLIES THAT THEY DON'T NORMALLY HAVE, MAYBE THEY HAVE AN INCREASE THIS YEAR OF $5,000 OF, OF THINGS THAT THEY NEED, WHETHER IT'S TABLES, CHAIRS, UH, THAT IS ALL ELIGIBLE TO BE DONE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
SO NOT ONLY WAS THERE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PUT IN THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL $50,000 PUT IN NEXT YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT KEPT IN A SEPARATE FUND.
IT'S ALL IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION FUND IN THE DIVISION FOR SENIOR CENTER, BECAUSE UNDER PARKS, WE HAVE DIVISION FOR SENIOR CENTER DIVISION FOR GENERAL PARKS, A DIVISION FOR AQUATIC CENTER AND MUSIC CENTER.
SO THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OF THAT FUND.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SUPPLEMENTAL IN 20 21, 20 22.
THERE'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL 50,000, NOT AN ADDITIONAL 109,000.
TH TH THERE IS, THERE IS THE 60,000 FOR OPERATIONS, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 50 OUTSIDE OF NORMAL ANNUAL OPERATIONS, A HUNDRED.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS ENCUMBERED RIGHT NOW AND READY TO SPEND.
AND THE REASON THAT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HAS NOT BEEN SPENT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEND IT.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEND IT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME COMMUNICATION DONE.
AND WHEN WE GET A NEW CITY MANAGER IN HERE, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY NEEDED A NEW ICE MACHINE.
AND THEN THERE WERE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT WITH HER WINDOWS.
AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT, BUT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF THEY NEEDED TO GO BUY A COUCH, IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT, WHATEVER TO PUT IN THERE, THAT THEY KNEW EXACTLY HOW THEY HAD TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
SO I THINK TH I THINK IT'S MORE OF A COMMUNICATION ISSUE THEN WITH LEARNING HOW, HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK MOVING FORWARD, THEN A MATTER OF, OF THE MONEY, RIGHT? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS IT'S, AND AS YOU JUST SAID, THEY DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEND IT.
IT WASN'T JUST TO BE, IT WASN'T TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THEIR OWN PAST EXPENSES.
IT WAS MONEY ALLOCATED TO MOVE AND FIX THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY FROM A, UH, FROM A DISCUSSION PERSPECTIVE ABOUT COMMUNICATING WHAT THAT LINE OR CHAIN WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN, WHEN THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, BOARD NEEDS SOMETHING OR NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER, HOW THAT COMMUNICATION GOES.
UM, BUT AS JIM SAID, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ONE FUND.
SO THERE'S $59,000 FOR OPERATIONS AND $150,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENT WE ADDED FOR THIS YEAR FOR 26.
AND IT'S ONLY IN THE DIVISION OF THE SENIOR CENTER THAT CANNOT BE MOVED TO ANOTHER DIVISION THAT CAN'T BE MOVED TO AQUATIC CENTER OR ANYTHING ELSE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
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OKAY.WE STILL HAVE, RIGHT? UH, YES.
SO WE WERE, WE WERE MOVING TO, UH, MOVING ON TO STREETS.
SO THEN THERE WAS A, SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, HOW MUCH ARE WE CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THE LOCAL STREET, UH, PROGRAM, AND, AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? SO THERE ARE TWO ACCOUNTS.
UH, ONE IS, UH, 4 33, WHICH IS THE LOCAL CIP.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE ON AVERAGE, WE SPENT JUST OVER ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY ON THE PROGRAM.
THEN IN 2000 IN 19, THE NEW GAS TAX WENT INTO EFFECT ON JULY ONE.
AND SO WE BEGAN RECEIVING INCOME, UH, THROUGH THAT STREAM AS WELL, WHICH WE ALSO THEN APPLIED TO THE LOCAL STREET PROGRAM.
SO, UH, MS. BERG TO YOUR COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE LAST TIME YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, RUSS HAS SOME MONEY AND MIKE HAS THE MONEY.
SO 4 33, THE LOCAL CIP THAT'S RUSS'S MONEY.
AND, UH, 2 0 3, THE GAS TAX THAT'S MIKE'S MONEY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE CONTINUED TO ADD OR INCREASE THE MONIES THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON LOCAL STREETS.
AND SO FROM HERE WE GO, UH, ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROOM.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN TOTAL.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IN 2019 COLLECTIVELY, WE SPENT JUST OVER ONE AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS IN 2022, WE ANTICIPATE SPENDING ALMOST $2.2 MILLION, AND THAT'S ROUGHLY ALMOST 39% MORE IN 2022 THAN WE SPENT IN 2019.
SO AS LONG AS THE MONEY CONTINUES TO COME IN, UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEDICATE AS MUCH OF IT TO LOCAL STREET IMPROVEMENTS AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UM, CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LIKE, WE HOPE EVERYONE DRIVES EVERYWHERE OFTEN AND BUYS AS MUCH GAS AS POSSIBLE TO DO IT.
AND SO, UM, SO WE DID WANT TO COVER THIS ISSUE AS WELL FOR COUNCIL.
SO NEXT IS, UH, REALLY THE, THE HEART OF THE CONVERSATION, UH, WHICH IS WATER.
SO YOU HEARD ME MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT WHERE, UH, SOME VALUES THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE BUDGET.
AND SO THIS KIND OF EXPLAINS WHERE WE LOOKED AND WHAT WE, SO THAT, UH, YOU AND THE COMMUNITY CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS MONEY CAME FROM.
SO THE DIRECTION WAS GO LOOK UNDER THE CUSHIONS AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND.
SO THE FIRST CUSHION THAT WE LOOKED UNDER WAS THE FUND BALANCE.
SO THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE ON HAND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
AND SO HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE ON HAND AND HOW MUCH OF THIS CAN WE SPEND? SO IN TOTAL, WE'RE GOING TO START 20, 22 WITH WHAT WE ESTIMATE TO BE JUST BELOW $70 MILLION.
THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN THE ACCOUNT, IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
NOW OF THAT ACCOUNT, JUST UNDER 10 MILLION, 9.6 OF IT IS MONEY'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER FUND.
SO WE STARTED THERE FIRST BECAUSE THE WATER MONEY, SO OF THAT 9.6 MILLION, 6 MILLION OF IT IS FOR BOND PAYMENTS AND DEBT RESERVES.
SO WHEN WE SELL BONDS, WE TAKE ON CERTAIN COVENANTS AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO HOLD MONEY IN RESERVE.
SO IF THE SYSTEM GOES, GO PUT A, NOBODY PAYS THEIR BILLS.
THERE'S A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, THE PEOPLE WE OWE MONEY TO STILL GET PAID.
AND THEN THE OTHER, A REMAINDER OF THAT 3.4 MILLION, THAT'S JUST THE OPERATIONAL RESERVE.
WE CAN SPEND THAT EFFECTIVELY ON WHATEVER WE WANT.
SO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, RESERVE THAT 6.1 MILLION, WE WERE ACTUALLY HOLDING MORE IN RESERVE THAN WE WERE REQUIRED TO.
SO WHEN WE BORROWED MONEY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD TO HOLD X.
AND AS WE PAID DOWN THAT PRINCIPAL OVER TIME, WE COULD HAVE BEEN RELEASING MONEY FROM THAT RESERVE.
SO WHEN WE WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS BEING HELD IN RESERVE THAT WAS NO LONGER NECESSARY.
SO THAT IS WHERE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF THE MONEY IS COMING FROM THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE BUDGET RESERVES.
WE NO LONGER NEED TO HOLD THE OTHER REMAINING 3.4 MILLION.
WE DID NOTHING WITH, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE WELL SEVEN PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP IN 2022.
AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE WATER MAIN EAST EXTENSION PROJECT IN 2022.
UH, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD APPROPRIATE RESERVES AVAILABLE, UH, IN AND AROUND THOSE PROJECTS.
SO WE CAN COME BACK AND REVIEW AND EVALUATE THIS MONEY IN THE FUTURE.
BUT FOR NOW OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS NOW, ALL OF THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, BRIAN, AS SOON AS THE SLIDE ADVANCES AND YOU GOT TO HOLD THE ADVANCED BUTTON AND NOT THE LASER, UH, MR. FOSTER, COULD YOU HIT THE SLIDE FOR ME PLEASE?
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YOU CAN, I CAN DO THE THING SLIDE, PLEASE SLIDE, PLEASE SLIDE, PLEASE.SO THAT LEAVES, UH, JUST UNDER $60 MILLION LEFT, UH, IN THE CUMULATIVE FUND BALANCE AND OF THAT $60 MILLION, UH, ALMOST 49 OF IT IS EITHER RESTRICTED, WHICH MEANS IT'S R IT'S STREET, MONEY, SEWER MONEY, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT MONEY.
SO WE HAVE AN INCOME TAX ON THE BOOKS AND THEN INCOME TAX.
ONE OF THE INCOME TAXES COLLECTS MONEY THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE CAN NOT USE THAT MONEY, EVEN LEFTOVERS TO SPEND ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT OR PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED SEWER MONEY IS THE SAME WAY WE COLLECT REVENUES FROM SEWER SERVICES, AND WE HAVE TO USE THOSE, UH, SURPLUSES OR THOSE FUNDS ONLY ON SEWER RELATED ITEMS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS MONEY IS NOT EXTENDED.
ANOTHER REASON THAT THIS MONEY IS NOT SPENDABLE IS BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY COMMITTED.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE COLLECTING REVENUE OVER TIME, AND THEN WE WERE MAKING PAYMENTS ON SOME KIND OF DEBT WITH THAT MONEY.
SO, UM, MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MIAMI COUNTY TIFS, RIGHT? MOST OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF.
SO WE COLLECT THAT REVENUE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
IT BUILDS UP A LARGE VOLUME, AND THEN WE PAY, MAKE DEBT PAYMENTS WITH IT.
AND THEN WE COLLECT MORE AND THEN WE MAKE DEBT PAYMENTS SO THAT MONEY'S ALREADY COMMITTED.
SO WE COULD NOT USE ANY MORE OF THAT FOR, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S A $10.8 MILLION AND WHAT IS UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE? SO THIS IS THE MONEY THAT HAS ACCUMULATED OVER TIME, UH, THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THIS IS MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND ON WHATEVER COUNSEL'S DIRECTIVE OR WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION MIGHT BE.
WE'VE MADE NO ADJUSTMENTS, WE'VE RECOMMENDED NO ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS FUND BALANCE.
UH, BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, UM, THAT ARE NOT TOO FAR INTO THE FUTURE.
ONE OF WHICH BEING THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS BEING SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON INTO 2022 BUDGET.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME INVESTMENT AT MARION MEADOWS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UM, THAT IS A PUBLIC USE OF THE CITY.
AND SO BECAUSE THOSE TWO ITEMS REMAIN YET UNDEFINED BY COUNCIL, AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD.
WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO UTILIZE THIS MONEY, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR COUNCIL AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THE FUND BALANCES ARE AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND WHY WE CAN USE SOME MONEY, OR WE WOULD RECOMMEND USING SOME MONEY, BUT NOT ALL THE MONEY.
SO I WANTED TO COVER THAT NEXT, PLEASE.
ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, UH, GRANTS AND AID.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THIS MONEY.
THAT'S COME IN WITH THE COVID RELIEF.
UH, WE'VE GOT AND TRIPLE B, MONEY'S COMING.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? SO TO, UH, BACK ONE, PLEASE.
SO, UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, ARPA, UM, IS THE MONEY THAT IS, WE'LL CALL IT AS DISCRETIONARY AS AID.
WE'RE GOING TO GET AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND THAT'S THE $4 MILLION THAT MR. SHAW HAD REFERENCED EARLIER IN THE MEETING THAT MONEY WAS COMMITTED TO THE WATER MAIN EAST AND THE SEWER MAIN EAST EXTENSION PROJECTS.
THE CUMULATIVE VALUE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS JUST OVER 6 MILLION, THE WATER.
UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, THE WATER COMPONENT IS 2.72 MILLION.
SO OF THE $4 MILLION IN ARPA, 2.7, 2 MILLION IS GOING TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN TO CONNECT OUR WATER SYSTEM TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SERVICED BY CLARK COUNTY WATER.
AND THEN IT WILL ALSO CONNECT OUR SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE TO THE FAIRBORN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, UH, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AND, UH, WE'VE COVERED THAT PREVIOUSLY WITH COUNCIL.
SO THAT IS THE COMMITMENT TO ARPA-E.
UH, NOW MR. SHAW TO YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, UH, TODAY, ACTUALLY ONE O'CLOCK WITH, UH, MR. MICHAEL KANE, WHO WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SHERROD BROWN'S OFFICE.
UM, I DID REVIEW WITH HIM AT LENGTH, UH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES OR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FOCUS.
SO NOT JUST ON WATER, BUT THINGS LIKE SEWER AND ROADS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND, UH, SO WE HAD A VERY NICE DIALOGUE OVER THAT.
WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO TELL ME WAS THAT $9.2 BILLION IS THE STATE OF OHIO'S ALLOCATION FROM, UH, THE, UH, ACT, BUT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE ME ANY INFORMATION ON THE TRIPLE B ALLOCATION YET.
UM, SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I HAD HAD FOR HIM WERE THINGS LIKE, UH, HOW IS THIS MONEY GOING TO BE ALLOCATED? IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT GOING TO BE A DIRECT AWARD LIKE ARPA-E OR IS IT GOING TO BE, UM, IS IT GOING TO BE SENT THROUGH TO THE MPOS, UH, LIKE THE MVR PC, UH, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THE AMERICAN, UH, RECOVERY AND INVESTMENT ACT MONEY, THE, UH, UH, POST THE 2010,
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2011 MONEY, ALL OF THAT MONEY WENT TO WHAT WOULD BE MCRPC AND WE ALL HAD TO APPLY, AND WE ALL GOT A SLICE OF THE PIE.SO THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO MR. KING, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT WHAT THEIR PROCESS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT HOW THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED, AND WHO'S GOING TO GET IT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
UH, AND HE TOLD ME THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD FIND MORE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO US IN JANUARY.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT I KNOW AS OF ONE 30 TODAY, WHICH WAS, UH, ABOUT THE TIME, UH, OUR MEETING ENDED.
SO WITH THAT MONEY COMES AND WE CAN MAKE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE AND PUT THAT INTO THE POT.
WE WILL DO SO, BUT THAT WILL ALL BE A COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND, AND COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE.
SO THEN THERE'S THE OPERATIONS SIDE.
SO, UM, JUST HOW ARE WE OPERATING AND HOW ARE WE MANAGING OURSELF? SO WE WENT THROUGH AND DID SOME ANALYSES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WAS NOTICED WAS THAT THE SEWER FUND ON AVERAGE HAS BEEN RUNNING A $600,000 SURPLUS OR MORE SINCE 2016.
AND, UH, W WE HAVE, UM, I'LL CALL IT A STRONG FUND BALANCE AND THE SEWER FUND, WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY USING TO HELP FUND THE BALANCE OF THE EAST EXTENSION PROJECT.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TRI-CITY PLANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT FUND BALANCE FOR IN THE SEWER FUND, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR THAT TYPE OF BALANCE IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE RAN A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS INTERNALLY, AND WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH WAS WE COULD MAKE A INCREASE IN THE WATER RATE AT A MATCHING DECREASE IN A SEWER RATE, SO THAT THE NET EFFECT WOULD BE ZERO, UM, COST INCREASED TO ANY USER OF THE SYSTEM.
RIGHT? SO, UM, BASICALLY WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT NET NEUTRAL, AND THEN WE COULD SHIFT WHAT WOULD BE SURPLUS FROM THE SEWER FUND, WHERE WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY TO THE WATER FUND, WHERE WE DO NEED THE MONEY.
AND SO WE RAN SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, VARIATIONS OF THAT.
AND, UH, THEN AFTER INTERNALLY WE'D RUN THOSE NUMBERS.
WE SENT THAT INFORMATION OVER TO SUEZ AND SUEZ RAN SCENARIOS FOR THE TOP, UH, TOP SEVERAL USERS, THE BOTTOM, SEVERAL USERS IN SEVERAL IN THE MIDDLE, AND THE CHANGE IN RATES CAME WITHIN PENNIES OF WHAT THEY WERE PAYING NOW.
AND SO BASED ON THAT, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING, AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT JUST AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR COUNCIL ADOPT SOME RATE CHANGES TO INCREASE THE WATER BY 5%.
IS IT GYM AND DECREASE THE SEWER RATE BY 7%, THEN THAT IS EFFECTIVELY NET ZERO TO, TO THE USER.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BRING IN $300,000 ANNUALLY STARTING IN 2023, THAT COUNCIL CAN DIRECT TO, UH, UH, MORE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO, TO FUND MORE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE WOULD REVIEW AND EVALUATE, UH, OPERATIONS OF THE SUPER FUND GOING FORWARD.
AND IF WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A SOLID SURPLUS IN THE SEWER FUND, WE WOULD THEN RECOMMEND FUTURE CHANGES IN OUTLYING YEARS TO SHIFT MORE OF THAT REVENUE, UH, INTO THE WATER FUND TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO TO THE RESIDENTS, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THEIR BILL, TO THE CITY, MORE INVESTIBLE MONEY IN INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE NEED IT.
AND SO THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THERE'S ABOUT 150,000, UH, THAT WE'VE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR BASED ON THIS CHANGE IN RATES.
AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL MAKE THAT RATE CHANGE EFFECTIVE IN APRIL, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE CIP CHANGED THAT COUNCIL AUTOMATICALLY, UH, THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED TO OCCUR WITHIN THE RATES.
SO WE TRIED TO HAVE SOME METHOD TO THE MADNESS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING HERE.
SO WHAT THAT ALL DOES AND HOW THAT'S ALL BROKEN OUT INTO THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, THERE'S THE $400,000, UH, FOR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT NOTICE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT IN, UM, IN THIS DOCUMENT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT THIS MATCHES THE COMMENTS THAT WE PROVIDED EARLIER IN THE MEETING THAT, UH, REPLACEMENT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE UNTIL WE CAN CONFIRM THE VALIDITY OF LINING.
SO, UH, THE BRF JUST SIMPLY SITES.
SO THAT WAS THE BOND RESERVE FUND, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO FUND THE WATER UTILITY INTEGRITY STUDY.
AND THAT ALSO WAS FROM THE BOND, UH, RESERVE FUND, $150,000 FOR A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE RATE ADJUSTMENT, AND THEN GOING FORWARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE ESTIMATING $300,000, UH, IN FUTURE YEARS, AGAIN, BASED ON,
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UH, THE RATE ADJUSTMENT.SO NEXT STEPS, AS I MAY MADE COMMENT TO EARLIER, UH, STAFF AT, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER AND ADOPT THE PERMANENT APPROPRIATION, INCLUDING NOT JUST THE CHANGES THAT YOU SAW IN YOUR COUNCIL PACKET, BUT WHAT WE'VE REVIEWED HERE, UM, AND THAT YOU CONSIDER ADOPTING THAT THE NET NEUTRAL UTILITY RATE ADJUSTMENT IN FEBRUARY, 2022 EFFECTIVE FOR APRIL, 2022.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, JIM, PROBABLY MORE SO THAN I, SINCE HE IS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND MASTER OF THE BUDGET, BUT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT? FIRST PART, I JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR, UM, FOR ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS IN A PRESENTATION FORMAT THAT THE COUNCIL HADN'T HAD RAISED OVER THE LAST PART, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS DETAIL ON THIS OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT YOU MADE BEFORE.
UH, I WOULD JUST SAY, I APPRECIATE THAT LEVEL OF BREAK, SO THANK YOU, SIR.
ARE THERE ANY, EXCUSE ME, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR BRIAN OR FOR JIM SPECIFIC TO, UH, WHAT THIS PRESENTATION WAS THAT, UM, THOSE CHANGES FOR PART OF BUDGET, GLEN, JUST ONE QUICK, WHEN YOU MENTIONED A TIF FUNDS AND, UH, WHEN WE, WE WENT BEFORE SCOTT LEFT, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION AND HE HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, DEFENSE COULD USE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, BUT YOUR COMMENTS MADE IT SOUND LIKE THOSE MONIES ARE PRETTY MUCH DEDICATED TO, UM, TO, TO LOAN REPAYMENTS, BOND PAYMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UH, UM, THE TIFF ISSUE IS VERY COMPLEX.
AND SO, UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE TIF MONEY COMING AVAILABLE.
MOST MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS EXTENDED.
AND THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF IS, UH, MOST OF THAT MONEY IS ASCRIBED TO, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2 AT 70 AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS AND THE ROADS OBVIOUSLY.
AND SO WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS THERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING SOME RESOURCES BECOMING AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'VE EXTENDED THAT TIF.
NOW WE DID REACH OUT TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND WE DID ASK THEM FOR A SPECIFIC BREAKDOWN OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PAYING AND WHAT THEY ARE PAYING, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE EXTENSION.
SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN AND WE CAN PULL OUT AND BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INTO THE FUTURE.
AND WHEN THAT MONEY IS GOING TO START COMING AVAILABLE, MANY OF THE SMALLER TIF DISTRICTS.
UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THERE'S THE DOLLAR GENERAL, THERE'S THE NORTH FIREHOUSE TO THE NORTH FIREHOUSE.
SO THOSE HAVE, UH, THERE'S A PRIMARY, THERE'S A PRINCIPAL, UH, PROJECT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MONEY.
AND WHEN THAT PRINCIPAL PROJECT IS PAID OFF, OR THAT DEBT IS PAID OFF, THERE ARE SECOND PROJECTS, AND THEY'RE ALMOST ALL TYPICALLY ANY WATER ROAD, STREETS, SEWER, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT ON THOSE THINGS.
NOW WITH THOSE TYPES OF DISTRICTS, WITH THOSE TYPES OF TIF DISTRICTS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THAT DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TIPS AND SOME ARE MORE LIBERAL IN THEIR USAGE THAN OTHERS.
SO, UH, STAFF-WISE, WE HAVE A CONCEPT OF HOW WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS MONEY MORE GENERALLY AVAILABLE, AND I WILL BE BACK IN THE FUTURE TO TALK WITH COUNCIL ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER STUDY BASED OFF THE, UH, THE INTEGRITY STUDY.
UH, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A WAY TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE TIF MONIES AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, BUT THAT IS NOT REVENUE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE TODAY.
I, NONE OF THAT MONEY OR THE CUSHION, THOSE CUSHIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, CORRECT.
THAT WOULD BE THE COMMITTED MONEY THAT WE HAD THAT WE REVIEWED IN THE SLIDE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN OR JIM RICHARD? THANK YOU, AMERICA.
JIM, I WANT TO GO BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ON THE ARPA-E FUNDS.
UM, YOU HAD STATED THAT ENCUMBERED, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED YOU TO, UM, PUT FORTH AND HOLD, UM, IS WHAT AMOUNT AGAIN.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $150,000.
AND WHAT THAT IS IS, SO WE HAVE AN ARPA FUND, WHICH IS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND AND THE MONIES ARE KEPT RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A WATER PROJECT AND ARPA CAN BE USED FOR WATER OR SEWER PROJECTS.
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THINK IN A SUPPLEMENTAL A MONTH OR TWO AGO, I ASKED COUNCIL TO MOVE, UH, AS A TRANSFER.I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $150,000 FROM THE ARPA FUND TO THE WATERFRONT.
AND IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, THAT WAS FOR THE, UH, UH, WARD TO GO OUT FOR A DESIGN ON THE, UM, THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION.
BRIAN, GOING OFF OF YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, WE HAD A, A MILLION DOLLARS TO START.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY NUMBERS ARE CORRECT HERE.
A MILLION DOLLARS TO START IN THE 2022 BUDGET, UH, FOR WATERLINE, WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT, UM, REPAIR.
UM, ACCORDING TO YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, YOU ARE ADDING, IS IT A HALF A MILLION OR 550,000? UH, SPECIFICALLY IT'S FIVE, I BELIEVE IT'S 500, 150,000.
IT'S 550,000 ADDITIONAL IN THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT LINE ITEM.
AND AS IT CURRENTLY READS IN THE BUDGET, IT'S UNDER A WATER MAIN LINING PROGRAM, BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND, UH, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL TO THE, OF THAT 1, 5 50, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE STUDY THAT BRIAN TALKED ABOUT.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND, AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE HERE, UM, ROUGHLY ABOUT, UH, $3.6 MILLION AND OUR ARPA-E FUND RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT CAN BE UTILIZED TODAY FOR WATER, UM, REPLACEMENT.
UM, NO, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION.
WE'LL GET THE OTHER $2 MILLION IN SUMMER OF 22.
SO IF SO, JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF COUNCIL WENT AHEAD AND, UM, INCREASED THE, UM, THE WATER LINING PROJECT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT RIGHT NOW, UM, BY THE REMAINING FUNDS IN THE ARPA FUND WITH DEDICATION TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN.
UM, AND THIS IS MY PROPOSAL, THE WATER LINING PROGRAM AND THE STREETS PROGRAM FOR 2022, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD BE A SUPPLEMENTAL ONCE THOSE FUNDS DO COME IN, A COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DIRECT YOU TO PUT IT INTO THE FUND.
AND THEN AS COUNCIL, UM, DECIDES HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE STATED, AM I ON A RIGHT PATH? UM, YES.
BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS HOW TO HANDLE THE FINANCING OF THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION EAST, UH, PROGRAM, BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE FUNDS TO DO BOTH CORRECT.
AND W BUT THAT WATER MAIN EAST, UH, PROJECT IS A, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS BECAUSE THE DESIGN HASN'T BEEN DONE.
WE'RE PROBABLY, I'M GOING TO ESTIMATE PROBABLY A YEAR OUT ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE WATER, UM, PROJECT, UH, REPORT.
UM, SO WE'RE ABOUT TO, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO BUDGET YEAR 2023.
UM, W WOULD THAT BE ABOUT A FAIR ASSESSMENT, RIGHT.
WE COMMITTED TO MAKE THE WATER UTILITY AVAILABLE YET IN 2022 FOR YOUR END.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? RUSS? YEP.
SO WE'RE ON THE, WE'RE ON THE TIMELINE TO BUILD THAT YEAH.
AND THAT IS STILL YET WITH THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WHICH UNOFFICIALLY I'VE BEEN GETTING NUMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NORTH OF WHAT, UH, OF WHAT ARPA, UM, PROVIDED US NOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BRIAN'S CONVERSATION, UH, WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THAT REPRESENT OUR AREA, A LOT OF THE UNKNOWNS HAVE BEEN YET TO UNDONE, OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN FIGURED OUT, UM, BY, UM, THE OFFICE OF BUDGET MANAGEMENT AND A LOT OF FOLKS THAT SIT IN A ROOM ALL DAY AND CRUNCH NUMBERS.
UM, BUT, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME DISTRIBUTION TENTATIVELY, UH, THAT ARPA DID.
IT IS NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MPOS.
HOWEVER, THERE'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF FUNDS THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MPOS, UH, AND JUST LIKE WHAT WE RECEIVED WITH TRI-CITIES, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THROUGH THE STATE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S ALL, SOME HIGH-LEVEL CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD THUS FAR.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT MAYOR, I WOULD REQUEST THAT COUNCIL, UM, MOVE THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS, UM, INTO THE, UM, THE WATERLINE PROGRAM, UM, THAT IS A TELLING THE RESIDENTS THAT THIS IS HOW MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL PASS A, UM, EMOTIONAL ON, UH, ON MONDAY, UM, THAT, UH, UM, THIS COUNCIL WILL INTEND, UM, WHATEVER
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THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE JOBS ACT FUNDING COMES OUT, THAT 80% OF THOSE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT BETWEEN WATER AND STREET REPAIRS, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.AND BEFORE I MOVE ON TO BRIAN, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR OUR PHONE CALL, UM, THAT WE HAD, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY DETAILED.
UM, IT INCLUDED THE, UH, THE, THE WATER RATE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED TO ME.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING, I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT STAFF HAS A GOOD DIRECTION GOING IN STARTING NEXT YEAR IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK MY MESSAGE, UM, AND IN CORRELATION WITH COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, UH, WAS RECEIVED, UM, BY THIS COMMUNITY AND BY STAFF.
UM, HOWEVER, I ALWAYS BELIEVE THERE'S MORE THAT WE CAN DO, UM, AND PUTTING THE ARPA MONEY, MOVING FORWARD, UH, MAKING A STATEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ON MONDAY AND CORRELATION WITH THE BUDGET APPROVAL.
THAT WILL GET ME PERSONALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT.
MA'AM SO I THINK, SO I'LL SAY, I MEAN, I, CLEARLY, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE URGENCY WITH, WITH TAKING CARE OF OUR WATER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RICHARD.
I THINK I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THAT VERSUS WHAT BRIAN HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING PART OF HIS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER REPORT, I GUESS, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, YEAH.
THAT MOBILE WE'VE GOT MONEY THERE AND IT'S ALLOCATED, BUT ARE WE, ARE WE GOING TO SPEND ANY OF THAT MONEY BEFORE WE HAVE ANY RESULTS FROM THIS INTEGRITY STUDY BACK TO KNOW WHERE TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY? DOES IT GO TO WATERLINE? DOES IT GO TO, UH, SEWER REPLACE OR WATER ACTUAL MAIN REPLACEMENT? I KNOW JIMMY SAID IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET, I MEAN, IT CAN, THAT'S THERE FOR BASICALLY AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
IT CAN BE CHANGED FROM, FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, BUT WHEN DOES, I GUESS THE MONEY BE SPENT AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT THE URGENCY, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR WHAT BRIAN SAID ABOUT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE ALLOCATING MONEY OR SPENDING MONEY, BECAUSE THAT MONEY'S NOT GOING TO BE SPENT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING ANY MONEY.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ON WATER PROJECTS UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
SO, UM, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
WE TALKED ABOUT MARCH, UH, HAVING RFP BACK A FOUR MONTH PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
I MEAN, I COULD, I MEAN, THAT'S PUTTING US INTO, YOU KNOW, JULY, AUGUST BEFORE WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
SO I DON'T, SO, I MEAN, RICHARD, ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU ADD THAT MONEY TO THE BUDGET, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND SPENDING AND REPLACING WATER MAIN OR REPLACING THE LINING PRIOR TO THAT INFORMATION COMING BACK? SO YOU JUST WANT TO PUT THIS MONEY BACK TO HOLD IT, OR ARE YOU ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT SPENDING IT? WELL, MAYOR TWO THINGS FIRST, I, UH, W WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TELL THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, HEY, WE KNOW YOU, WE HAVE A WATER PROBLEM THAN A WATER ISSUE.
WE KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF.
THAT THERE'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
WE KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN SHAW, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE AT LEAST AT THE VERY, VERY EARLIEST JUNE, JULY OF LAST YEAR, BUT YET WE'RE GOING TO TELL THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO DO A STUDY.
WE'RE GOING TO GET RESULTS BACK IN JULY OR AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR.
AND BY THAT TIME FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SIT HERE AND MAKE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT FROM THAT STUDY, WE'RE NOW INTO 2023.
SO WE NOW HAVE WASTED AN ENTIRE YEAR OF 2022 AND SPENT NOTHING NOW TO YOUR, WITH THAT STATEMENT, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR EYES? I STARTED TO KNOW THAT IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I MEAN, YOUR, YOUR, I MEAN, THAT IS A DIRECT QUESTION, MAYOR.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? I CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SPENDING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING MONEY UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
NOW, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT WE SHOULD.
AND WE'VE, AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT.
I THINK BRIAN ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE PRETTY WELL IN THE SENIOR MANAGER REPORT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT NOW WE'RE EITHER GOING TO TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO FIGURE THE PROBLEM OUT BEFORE WE START THROWING MONEY AT IT, OR BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON WHAT RUSS SAID, A 25% SAVINGS ON THE LINING VERSUS THE PIPE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, UM, VERY CONSERVATIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SAVINGS IS.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING
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$2 MILLION ON SEWER LINES WHEN WE COULD HAVE SAVED MONEY IF LINING IS APPROPRIATE.BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
SO THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO SPEND MONEY ON AN ISSUE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? MARILYN? I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU PREPARED, ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY RIGHT AWAY OR ARE YOU WILLING TO WAIT AND SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM MAYOR, I BELIEVE WE SEE TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
WE CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON TO YOUR POINT.
MY POINT IS WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WATER ISSUE.
WE DO KNOW WHEN OUR, WHEN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT GOES OUT AND THERE'S A WATER MAIN BREAK.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA.
SO WE DON'T NEED A SURVEY OR A REPORT TO SAY THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE IN THAT AREA.
Y'ALL ASS WAS AN ALLOCATING THE MONEY.
ARE YOU PROPOSING JUST PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE FUND AND HOLDING IT, OR ARE YOU ALLOCATING SPENDING THE, I WANT TO PUT THE MONEY IN THERE AND HOLD IT UNTIL WE KNOW WHICH I BELIEVE.
AND I REALLY HOPE IT'S SOONER THAN JULY, UM, OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE RESIDENTS WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.
AND I HOPE, AND I HOPE THAT THE ACTUAL INFORMATION AND STUDY COMES BACK SOONER ALSO, BUT THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
AND THIS WAS, AS I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN OR DESCRIBE HER UNDERSTANDING, WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
TO ALLOCATE AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO THE WATERFALL FOR THE BUDGET WAS THAT TO SPEND IT PRIOR TO, OR, OR HOLD IT AND WAIT, AND THIS IS AN ISSUE I'M VERY PASSIONATE ON MARIN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE, WITH BRIAN ON.
AND, UH, UM, THIS IS, YES, THIS IS I, WE ARE NOW AT A POINT IN MY OPINION THAT WE ARE BEING REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE.
WELL, AND I WELL KNOW, AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING, IT MAY APPEAR THAT WAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE.
AND I THINK BEING REACTIVE IS SPENDING $2 MILLION TO FIX WATER PIPES THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM.
SO WHAT WE KNOW IS WRONG IS THEY'RE BREAKING, BUT UNTIL WE KNOW WHY, WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO FIX IT, WE GOT TO KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE COST MEASURE TO, UH, TO FIX IT ONE WAY AND ANOTHER COST SAVINGS TO FIX IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
BUT UNTIL WE KNOW THAT, I THINK IT IS, AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND GOOD TO PEOPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO IRRESPONSIBLE TO SPEND MONEY WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING IT FOR, OTHER THAN FIXING THE PIPES.
NOW, IF, IF OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE COMING SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T CARE.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS TO FIX IT.
WELL, THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TO THAT POINT YET, OR IF PEOPLE WANT AN ACTUAL SOLUTION THAT WE KNOW WE CAN GET BEHIND, THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN AND SUPPORT LONG-TERM.
SO THAT I THINK IS THE, THE ISSUE THAT COUNCIL HAS TO FIGURE OUT AND HAS TO DECIDE GLENN, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I'M THE REASON THEY'RE BREAKING.
JUST DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE BROKE, THEY'RE BROKE.
THEY HAVE TO BE FIXED NOW TO FUTURE RESPONSES ON WHAT WE CAN DO PROACTIVELY THAT'S THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT WHEN IT BREAKS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CAUSED IT TO BREAK IT'S BROKEN AND NEEDS FIXED.
WELL, NOT IF IT'S BROKEN, WELL, YOU CAN'T BLIND A BROKEN, RIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE, RIGHT.
AND WE HA, BUT THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET STILL TO REPAIR WHEN THEY BREAK.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT DOES MATTER HOW THEY BREAK, BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHY THEY BROKE, DETERMINES HOW YOU FIX IT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT BROKE.
IT HAS TO BE FIXED THE SAME WAY.
ANYWAY, LAST YEAR, THE CIP, THE LINING THING.
UM, WHAT DID WE DEDICATE TO THAT? I WANT TO SAY SOMEWHERE 900,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE JUST DID THE ONE PROJECT WITH ABOUT 750 TO 800,000, ET CETERA.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND WHEN YOU SAY WE GET A SAVINGS FROM THAT, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PAUSING THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY UNTIL WE LOOK INTO WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT REPLACEMENT, BUT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ADJUST THIS BUDGET TO GIVE US ONE AND A HALF MIL.
WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SEVEN 50 800,000, JUST ONLINING LAST YEAR, I'M WITH RICHARD, A MILLION AND A HALF IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE THE LIGHTING PROJECT, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT MORE PIPES, WHICH IS GOING TO COST MORE MONEY.
AND THIS ONE AND A HALF JUST, ISN'T GOING TO GET IT DONE.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'M IN THE SAME BOAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO SHOVE MORE OVER THAT, MORE MONEY TO THAT, THAT PROJECT.
AND THAT THOUGHT SO THAT WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK, WHEN WE FIND OUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO, WE CAN ACT IMMEDIATELY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AS WATERLINES, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE CAUSE MONEY SUEZ CLEARLY HAS MONEY TO FIX AND REPLACE PIPE WHEN THEY BREAK.
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CORRECT.THAT'S THROUGH THEIR MAINTENANCE CAP YET.
PROBABLY ABOUT 3000 EACH TIME THEY OKAY.
SO IF A WATER MAIN BREAK HAPPENS TOMORROW, IT'S GOING TO GET FIXED.
IT'S UNDER THEIR MAINTENANCE CAP, IT'S GOING TO GET FIXED.
SO I THINK THE, THE IDEA OF WHETHER WE JUST GO IN AND START REPLACING MY POINT WAS, DO YOU GO IN TO START REPLACING WATER MAIN PIPE WITH NEW WATER MAIN? OR DO YOU LINE IT FOR FUTURE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE? THAT'S NOW THAT'S WHAT I WAS PAUSING THE LINING, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT REPLACEMENT UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THIS STUDY TO SEE IF THE LININGS GOING TO WORK FOR US.
SO REPLACEMENT WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
SO THE REPLACING THE RECOMMENDED ONE COSTS, THEN THAT'S $3,000 OF JUST PATCHING THE PIPE BACK UP, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE BREAKS ALONG THE SAME LINES.
YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE THE WHOLE LINE.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? ARE WE REPLACING PIPE ON A BREAK? SHOULD WE JUST PATCH IT AND FIX IT? AND WE'RE JUST PATCHING THEM UP WITH PATCH.
SO IN A NORMAL WATER BREAK CONDITIONS, I MEAN, IT IS CONTINUING TO PATCH THEM AND FIX THEM, OR IS, OR ARE WE GOING TO GO IN AND I MEAN, WE NEED TO START REPLACING LINES.
THE THINK OF THAT, UM, THINK OF THIS SITUATION AS, UM, WE'VE WORKED HARD TO SAVE MONEY FOR FILL IN THE BLANK.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT, UH, AN OLDER CAR THAT JUST HAS A TROUBLE STARTING, RIGHT? AND IT COULD BE THE FUEL PUMP.
IT COULD BE THE IGNITION SWITCH.
IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS.
AND SO YOU CAN SPEND ALL KINDS OF MONEY BUYING LITTLE PARTS, AND THOSE PARTS NOT MONTH MIGHT NOT FIX IT, BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE THAT BIG SAVINGS.
OR YOU COULD TAKE THE SAVINGS AND BUY A NEW CAR.
THE NEW CAR FIXES ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE OLD CAR, BUT YOU LOSE THE SAVINGS THAT YOU'VE ACCUMULATED.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, YES, REPLACING THE PIPE, FIXES ALL THAT IS THE NEW CAR PURCHASE, BUT IT REQUIRES THE UTILIZATION OF THE ASSET, THE CASH THAT YOU'VE ACCUMULATED OR THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE SET ASIDE THE TRADE OFF IS YOU CAN CONTINUE TO TRY AND FIND THE SMALL OR THE SOLUTION TO THE MORE SPECIFIC SOLUTION, BUT THAT TAKES MORE TIME.
AND THAT CAN BE MORE FRUSTRATING.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU WOULD WAIT TO TRY AND MAXIMIZE THE DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK FROM THE STUDY.
BUT AS STAFF, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THE WAY YOU FEEL BEST TO THE COMMUNITY, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS THIS MATTER.
AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE A WRONG CHOICE IF IT WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE TO REPLACE PIPE IN 2022, AS OPPOSED TO LINING PIPE, HOWEVER, YOU WOULD LOSE THE ABILITY TO THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, MY NOT WAITING FOR THIS STUDY, BUT THAT IS COUNSEL'S PREROGATIVE AND COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
WE ARE PREPARED TO RESPOND AS YOU DIRECT GOOD WORK.
UH, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE IN SUMMARY, JIM, THE $300,000, UH, TO A WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT ADJUSTED RATES? IS THAT SAYING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT MONEY AS A REVENUE STREAM EACH YEAR? THAT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL REVENUE STREAM, UM, ANNUALLY BASED ON CHANGING WHERE WE WOULD, UM, INCREASE THE WATER RATE BY 5% LOWER, THE SEWER RATE BY 700 AND RICHARD, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING MAKING A STATEMENT, PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET AND ALLOCATING X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO THE WATER BLIND ISSUE.
AN AMOUNT THAT A IS A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE AT NOW.
AND W WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE MILLION OR SO.
SO JIM, IF WE HAD A REVENUE STREAM OF 300,000, WE COULD EASILY BORROW 3.75 MILLION USING THAT 300 AS A REVENUE STREAM.
WE SPENT 80,002 MILLION ANNUALLY, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT WE COULD ALLOCATE IN THE, UH, BUDGET.
AND WE COULD POINT TO THAT MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE SPENT IF WE DID THAT, WE COULD CONTINUE THE WATER EXTENSION PROGRAM THAT WE STILL HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT IF, IF WE UTILIZE THIS AS A REVENUE STREAM AND THEN YOUR STUDY, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WATER LINES THAT RUN SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
SO IN WARD FIVE, WE HAVE WATER LINES THAT RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
WE HAVE WATER LINES THAT RUN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB.
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CORRECT.WE MIGHT THINK THAT THE WATER LINES THAT RUN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE THAN THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
PROBABLY NORTH OF 70 WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE, UH, BUILDING CODE CHANGES, ALL OF THOSE OR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY SIDEWALK TO CURB VERSUS THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULD BE A SOPHISTICATED STUDY THAT WOULD GO AROUND AND CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, ASSESS THE WATER LINES, TAKE SOIL SAMPLES AND DETERMINE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN DID THE CODE CHANGE AND WHEN DID WE STOP LAYING THE CLAY RIGHT ON THE STEEL PIPE, CORRECT.
CAUSING ASSIST CITY AND CORROSION TO THE PIPE.
UM, WHEN DO THINK THAT YOU COULD GET THAT STUDY COMPLETED JUST ROUGHLY.
SO, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT, IF IT'S AWARDED IN MARCH AND JULY.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO BOND OUT A RESOLUTION AND START TO DO SOME REPLACEMENT, WOULD THERE BE ANY AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WE WOULD KNOW HAD THE CLAY LANE NEXT TO THE PIPE AND WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE WEREN'T SPENDING UNNECESSARY DOLLARS? WE CAN DO MAKE SENSE.
WE CAN DO SOME PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE DIRECT MATERIAL ON THE PIPE, AS OPPOSED TO, TO THE PROTECTOR, TO THE BARRIER, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE SUPPORT AND THE FOCUS THAT ALL OF COUNCIL HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS AND THE CITIZENS HAVE.
BUT, UH, RICHARD AND I DID TALK QUITE A BIT AT A MEETING TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS AGO, OR WHENEVER THAT WAS.
AND RICHARD, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE DO ALLOCATE A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE HAVE A REVENUE STREAM APPROPRIATE TO FUND THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THE WATER MAIN PROGRAM HAVE STAFF RFP GO OUT FORBID, GET THE STUDY DONE SOMETIME THIS SUMMER.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IDENTIFY SOME AREAS THAT WE COULD START IN 2022 RE WATER LINE REPLACEMENT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT LEAST FOR TONIGHT AND NEXT MONDAY.
DOES HE, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DO HAVE ALL THE BREAKS MAPPED OUT IN THE CITY THERE.
I IDENTIFIED PRETTY MUCH FIVE AREAS OF THE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE INNER PART OF THE CITY WHERE THE BREAKS ARE OCCURRING THAT I THINK REALLY NEED TO BE PROBABLY.
SO I KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO DO THE, THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINING WHERE THE WORST ONES ARE AND I KNOW WHAT THE WORST ONES ARE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO FIRST.
THOSE WOULD FAVOR REPLACEMENT OVER LINING.
SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THAT'S THE RECLAMATION, THE ENGINEER REPLACED VERSUS RELYING THEN, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
IF WE GOT $300,000 COMING IN AT 80,000 PER MILLION PER YEAR GENERATES THE REVENUE THAT WE WOULD NEED.
IT DIDN'T EVEN MORE IDENTIFIES OUR REVENUE STREAM IDENTIFIED IN THE BUDGET.
WE'VE ALLOCATED SEND A MESSAGE AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
AND THAT GIVES US SOME BREATHING ROOM.
UM, RUSS ON THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN RELINED RIGHT NOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT BROKEN? WHAT PERCENTAGE, HOW MUCH I MADE, WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF LINING HAVEN'T WE, AND, AND I'M SORRY.
WE DID ABOUT A, A MILES WORTH OF WHINING.
AND WE HAD TWO MAIN BREAKS AS HE STATED WERE SHEAR BREAKS.
AND WATER COMPANIES TOLD ME THAT TYPICALLY OUT OF THE CITY BREAKS ABOUT ONE IN 10 IS A SHEAR BREAK.
SO IT'S RARE THAT WE HAVE THOSE AND TALKING TO SUEZ, WHICH IS THE COMPANY WHO DID THE LINING.
UM, IN THE PAST PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE.
WE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK AS A SHEER BRICK.
AND SO MY FEELING IS ON THIS SUBJECT IS THAT WE SHOULD WAIT A YEAR AT LEAST AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT AREA AND SEE HOW MANY MORE BREAKS WE HAVE IF WE HAVE ANY MORE BREAKS IN THAT AREA TO DECIDE WHETHER LINING IS WORKING OR NOT WORKING BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND INVEST THIS YEAR WITH IT AGAIN, AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WORKING AS WELL AS WE THOUGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD SUGGEST DOING REPLACEMENTS
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IN THESE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE CORROSION.IT'S ALMOST ALL CORROSION HOLES THAT ARE BLOWING THE WATER MAINS AND SHEAR BREAKS JUST HAPPENED.
SOME CHANGE IN TEMPERATURE THAT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY WATER MAIN BREAK.
IT'S STRICTLY A CRACK RIGHT THROUGH THE PIPE.
AND, UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE LINING PROJECT, THAT TYPE OF LINING IS A SPRAY POXY INSIDE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT CAN HANDLE THAT MOVEMENT LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S HANDLING, I THINK THE CORROSION HOLES IT'S TAKING CARE OF THOSE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD STILL WORK IN THIS AREA, BUT YET I'M WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE I WOULD SUGGEST USING THAT AGAIN.
AND THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, RUSS GOING BACK TO YOUR OTHER PREVIOUS STATEMENT ABOUT YOU'VE OUTLINED AREA FOR REPLACEMENT.
UM, YOU JUDGED THAT BY LINEAR FEET.
I BASED IT OFF, UH, THE COST OF REPLACEMENT FROM THE PROJECT WE DID TWO YEARS AGO, THE ONE IN HARTSVILLE AND, UH, BY WHAT I'VE BEEN, I'VE GOT FIVE AREAS OF CONCERN AND, UM, IT, IT COMES UP TO ABOUT 1.5, $1.6 MILLION TO DO THOSE.
AND IT'S, THERE'S TOM BURGERS ONE, I THINK, UH, HELWIG AND HOPE HOLBROOK, I THINK IT IS.
OR THAT AREA, THERE IS A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS, UH, PART OF, UH, HUBBARD THERE, PORTIONS OF STREETS, NOT NECESSARILY THE WHOLE STREET, BUT, UH, UH, I DID IT BASED ON WHERE THE BAD AREAS WAS AND HOW MUCH WE COULD GET FOR, I FIGURED GOING TO BE 1.5 MILLION.
AND, UH, THE TOTAL COST, AND IT'S AN ESTIMATE.
I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU EXACTLY TO THAT, BUT IT GIVES US A BALLPARK FIGURE.
AND THEN WHEN THE BIDS COME BACK, WE'LL KNOW THE ACTUAL COSTS GOING TO BID THEM AS SEPARATE STREETS, AS SEPARATE FIVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
AND SO IF THEY DO COME IN HIGH, I CAN DO TWO, FOUR OF THEM INSTEAD OF FIVE.
OR YOU CAN GET MORE MONEY FROM COUNCIL TO DO THE FIFTH, IF, IF THAT'S THE DECISION.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESTIMATING AREAS FIVE AREAS OF REPLACEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR.
BUT I DO HAVE TO GET THAT DESIGN.
SO THE MINUTE AFTER JANUARY OR BECOMING TO COUNCIL TO GO OUT FOR A DESIGN AND IT WOULD TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET THAT DESIGN, THEY CAN DESIGN IT PRETTY FAST WITHIN PROBABLY TWO, TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
AND I COME BACK AND TRY TO BID IT BY HOPEFULLY MAY OR JUNE TO GO OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THE COSTS WILL BE 1.5 TO 1.6 MINUTES.
WE CAN BASE IT ON THAT AMOUNT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND THAT WOULD BE TOTAL FOR FIVE AREAS.
AND STAFF CAME UP WITH A REVENUE STREAM OF $300,000 A YEAR.
AND, UM, MR. CAMPBELL'S COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S FINANCE, UH, BRAIN AS CAN GET US $3 MILLION.
SO WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THAT EASILY FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN AS WE'RE DOING THE STUDY FOR THE WATER LINING REPLACEMENT AND FIND OUT IF THAT'S WORTHWHILE GOING FORWARD, OR MAYBE WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, IS THAT WHAT YOU KIND OF HAD IN YOUR MIND? I DON'T, I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR YOU.
THE, UH, THE $300,000, IF WE REFERRED TO THAT AS A REVENUE STREAM MIGHT AFFORD US TOMORROW ABOUT 3.7, 5 MILLION.
AND THE REAL PLEASURE OF THAT IS THAT IT COULD BE, UH, IDENTIFIED IN THE BUDGET AND NOT SPENT UNTIL THE STUDY'S COMPLETE.
AND, AND BY THAT TIME WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM OTHER GRANT FUNDING AND FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE, IT JUST GIVES US SOME BREATHING ROOM AND IT, IT DOES ALLOCATE AND SEND, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATELY, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE NOVEL.
AND THAT WOULD BE ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE WATER LINING WATER REPLACEMENT THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING NEXT.
I THINK YOU HAD A MILLION IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT THE IMPROVEMENTS IN WATER, THERE'S 450,000 FOR A MARDI GRAS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
UH, 2.1 MILLION IS FOR THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION EAST 1,000,500 AND 50,000 IS FOR THE WATER LINING, UH, 250,000 FOR THE MR. EMERALD, GREAT GATE TOWER, PAINTING, WATER TOWER PAINTING, AND $700,000 FOR, UM, A NEW, WELL, WELL NUMBER SEVEN, THOSE ARE IN THE BUDGET THAT'S BEFORE YOU IN YOUR PACKET.
SO JIM, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THE 1.6 MILLION ESTIMATE FOR, UH, REPLACING THE FIVE AREAS RUSSELL'S TALKING ABOUT? WELL, IF YOU DECIDE
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TO USE THE MILLION 550,000 AND SHIFT THAT TO WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT OUTSIDE OF WATER, MAIN LINING, I MEAN, IT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT THERE IN THE BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY BEFORE YOU, SO YES, WE COULD.THOSE MONIES COULD BE WELL, AND IT, IT IS AN ESTIMATE.
SO 1,550,000 IS RIGHT BETWEEN THE 1.5, 1.6 REST IS TALKING ABOUT.
AND IF THE ESTIMATES COME IN HIGHER, WE CAN ALLOCATE POSSIBLY MORE MONEY IF THEY COME IN LOWER.
AND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT IN HERE ARE WAITING FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS.
SO IF WE DO RECEIVE THE GRANT MONEY, THAT MONEY CAN BE OBVIOUSLY MONEY IS MORE REVENUE, RUSKIN, COME UP WITH A COUPLE MORE AREAS.
THEN IF HE, IF HE DECIDES, AND THEN WE MAY HAVE THE WATER LINING STUDY BACKED BY THEM, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE, STOP THE PROGRAM, CONTINUE THE PROGRAM, OR MODIFY IT IN A DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, MAYOR, DO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT? I LIKE COUNSELING CAMPBELL IS, UH, UH, SUGGESTION RECOMMENDATION, ANYTHING ELSE? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MONEY'S ALREADY THERE ALLOCATED, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF DIRECTING, UH, REPLACING THE FIVE AREAS THAT RUSS HAS ALREADY ALLOCATED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MONEY'S ALREADY, THERE.
I MEAN, IF WE DID ADDITIONAL FINANCING THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET, THEN WE HAVE AT SOME POINT IN 22, WE CAN DO INCREMENTAL AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO I GUESS IT'S UP TO COUNCIL IS 1.5, 5 MILLION ENOUGH TO JUST START REPLACING THE FIVE AREAS THAT RUSS HAS IDENTIFIED.
WE ALSO EARLY ON TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF WATER MAIN BREAKS INCREASING BECAUSE OF THE SOFTENING OF THE SYSTEM SOFT INTO THE WATER AND THE LIMESTONE THAT HAD BEEN CREATED IN THE LINES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES MIGHT'VE BEEN AFFECTED BY THAT CHANGE CURVE.
THE STUDY, LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
YES, I, THAT WOULD BE A COMPONENT THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO CONSIDER.
IS THAT A FACTOR IN, IN THE BRAIN? SO WE'RE SEEING THINGS.
KATE, I, I HEAR MR. SHAW'S IDEA AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST IT.
I JUST THINK I NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I CAN JUST SPEND MY I'M FINE.
WELL, PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THIS FOR THAT RAINY DAY.
SO I DO THINK THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FOR ME WITH MR. CAMPBELL'S IDEA IS WE'LL GET THE MONEY AND GOING TO START BEING PROACTIVE AND WAIT FOR THE INFORMATION TO COME IN.
I FEEL GOOD WITH THAT COMPROMISE, BUT I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION FOR MS. MR. RUSS, AND THE MAIN BREAKS.
ARE THEY AT A HILL OR THE INTERSECTION WHERE THE PRESSURE'S COMING DOWN ON THE PIPES? UH, PRESSURE IS PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT THROUGH THE SYSTEM IN THAT AREA.
SO NO PRESSURE, I DON'T THINK IS AN ISSUE.
UM, IT IS PRETTY MUCH STRICTLY, PROBABLY THE SOILS CAUSING CORROSION ON THE PIPE AND IT DOESN'T CORRODE THE WHOLE PIPE.
IT JUST SOMETIMES PINPOINTS AN AREA AND IT CORRODES A HOLE INSIDE OF THE PIPE.
SO, AND AS I SAID, WATER SOFTENING WAS POSSIBLY AN ISSUE.
IT WAS ALWAYS FELT FROM THE DESIGNER OF THE WATER PLANT, WHO I ASKED AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE WE STARTED HAVING A LOT OF BREAKS AFTERWARDS THAT HE FELT THAT THE CLEAN WATER THAT'S NOW IN THE PIPE WAS NOW ACTUALLY TAKING OFF SOME OF THE BUILDUP INSIDE THE PIPE.
CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF IT, BUT IT WAS WHEN THEY LINED THE PIPE LAST YEAR, THEY SAID OUR PIPES WERE ALL CLEAN, EVERYTHING WAS CLEAN IN THEM.
AND THEY THINK THAT THAT SOFTENING CLEANED OUT OUR PIPES.
BUT I THINK IT ACTUALLY POSSIBLY TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF THE CORROSION AWAY FROM THE INSIDE CREATING HOLES TO DEVELOP A LITTLE FASTER.
SO THAT'S WHAT HIS FEELING WAS BECAUSE HE HAD CONTACTED ABOUT FIVE, 10 PLANTS THAT HE DESIGNED AND HE FOUND OUT THAT ABOUT FIVE OF THEM, FIVE COMMUNITIES HAD MORE WATER, MAIN BREAKS AFTER, UM, THEY SOFTENED THE WATER.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PIPES RUN A T WHERE THEY COME TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER ONE OR THEY'RE ON A HILL AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PRESSURE WAS.
AND, UH, WELL I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, UH, WHAT DO YOU ALSO FOUND FROM THE STUDY THAT THOSE FIVE COMMUNITIES AFTER AWHILE, THE BREAKS DID SLOW DOWN.
I MEAN, IT WENT KIND OF BACK TO WHERE THEY HAD BEFORE.
SO NOW WE'VE NOTICED RIGHT AFTER WE, THE SOFTENING FOR THE SIX MONTHS AFTER WE SOLVED FOR WHICH IS THE SECOND HALF OF LAST YEAR, WE HAD ALMOST 118 FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.
THEN WE HAD 118 FOR THE SECOND SIX MONTHS.
AND THIS WHOLE YEAR WE'VE HAD ABOUT 118.
SO I'M HOPING IT'S SLOWING DOWN, BUT
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IT IS SLOWING DOWN IN A WAY, BUT IT'S NOT SLOWING DOWN ENOUGH YET.SO THE WAY I SEE THE COUNSELORS, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.
CURRENTLY WE CAN, RUSS HAS IDENTIFIED FIVE AREAS.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY AND REPLACE ALL THOSE PIPES.
UH, WE HAVE REVENUE STREAM THAT WE CAN BOND OUT THAT CAN GENERATE ANOTHER 3.7, $5 MILLION AND EXTRA AND EXTRA REPLACEMENT.
BUT IF IT COMES DOWN TO, UH, ONE BOND IN THAT MONEY, PULLING IT IN.
SO WE HAVE IT TO SPEND WHEN THIS HAPPENS.
WE, WE, WE ALSO, THAT COULD SAVE OUR MONEY FOR THE, THE EAST PROJECT, OR WE CAN DO THE SAME THING THAT, UH, MONEY FROM MARGARET COULD GO IN THERE NOW ALLOCATED AS MR. CHILD RECOMMENDED.
AND THEN WE CAN STILL BOND OUT MONEY, UM, FOR THE EAST PROJECT.
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
UM, SO FOR THIS EVENING, WE CAN EITHER MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S REPLACE IT WITH 1.5 AND WE CAN DETERMINE HOW YOU WANT TO BORROW THE MONEY OR, OR BOND THE MONEY OUT FOR THE REST.
AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO USE THE MONEY FOR THE EAST PROJECT OR, UH, OR YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP THAT AND BOND THE MONEY FOR REPLACING IT.
MA'AM UM, TWO POINTS, UM, WITH COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S, UM, UH, SUGGESTIVE, UM, UH, FINANCING.
UM, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT PROPOSAL, UM, TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD NOW, TO YOUR POINT, WHETHER THAT FUNDS THE WATER MAIN PROJECT, OR THAT FUNDS THE WATER REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UM, HERE AND, AND NOT ON THE, ON THE, UM, UH, BELL FOUNTAIN AREA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
I THINK EITHER WAY, I THINK EITHER OPTION PUTS DIRECT MONEY RIGHT NOW INTO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GOING EITHER DIRECTION BECAUSE I THINK UNLESS SOMEBODY CORRECTS ME, IF I'M WRONG, EITHER BOTH OPTIONS PROVIDE IMMEDIATE FUNDING, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, THE MONEY WE HAVE NOW, UH, THE FUNDING OPTION WE CAN GET AT ANY TIME.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, JIM, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT THE WATER LINING PROJECT THAT WE DID, WE HAVEN'T PAID THE CONTRACTOR A SINGLE DIME YET FROM, FROM WHAT MR. OTTO AND RUSS HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT DOLLAR FIGURE, ROUGHLY EIGHT, $900,000, UM, ROSS MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THEY NEVER BILLED US THROUGH THE PROJECT AND THEY JUST SENT US A BILL WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE HELD ONTO IT CAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO A PERFORMANCE BOND FOR TWO YEARS ON THAT.
UH, I THINK IT'S 10, 10, 10, OR 20%.
UM, AND THEY HADN'T SIGNED OFF ON THAT.
SO WE WEREN'T PAYING THEM UNTIL THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE PERFORMANCE BOND.
AND WHEN IS GOING TO BE THE COMPLETE REVIEW OF THIS, THE LEAKS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, THE BREAKS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO KNOW, WHEN IS THIS COUNCIL GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEFINITIVELY KNOW? WAS IT AN ISSUE WITH THE WATERLINE IN ITSELF, WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE WORK PERFORMANCE OR WAS IT JUST AN OOPS, THEY ARE STUDYING IT NOW IT'S COMING FROM THE COMPANY THAT DID IT.
SO IT DOESN'T, BUT THEY ARE STUDYING IT BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM BECAUSE I'M NOW A REFERENCE FOR THEM.
IF ANYBODY CALLS ME TO ASK ME A REFERENCE, I CAN SAY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO REALLY GET OUT AND REALITY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HURT THEIR BUSINESS, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GETTING BREAKS AFTER WINING.
SO IT'S VERY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO COME BACK THIS ISN'T ON THE TELEVISION, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD PRODUCT TO USE.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A GOOD REPORT IS WHAT I THINK.
AND WHO FOOT THE BILL FOR THE REPAIR OF THAT DID THE CITY, OR DID THEY PUT THE BILL FOR THE REPAIR OF WHAT THE LEAKS AND BREAKS THAT OCCURRED IN THAT AREA? THE CITY FIX THE BREAKS.
WHY DIDN'T THEY, UH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE CREWS AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULD TYPICALLY INVOICE THEM FOR THAT DAMAGE IF IT MET THE CONDITIONS OF THE WARRANTY.
SO WE WOULD PAY UP FRONT AND THEN THEY WOULD REIMBURSE US THE BOND.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THAT INFORMATION YET.
WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'LL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR US FROM THEM? YOU MEAN I CAN FIND OUT I DON'T SURE.
I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DO A PRETTY, I MEAN, CAUSE IN THE OFFSET THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CONTINUES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT KEY FOR THIS COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE INVOICED FOR, WHAT WE'RE PAYING OUT, UM, AND COULD BE A VERY DETERMINING FACTOR ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR.
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UH, BACK TO THE FUNDING OPTIONS, I THINK EITHER OPTION PROVIDES IMMEDIATE FUNDING, HOW THIS COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD.UH, I MEAN WE HAVE MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK.
NOW WE HAVE MONEY THAT WE CAN GO AND GET, UM, NOW TO TOPPLE ONTO THAT.
OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PROJECT'S DONE EITHER WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I THINK WE'VE SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE TONIGHT THAT IN 2022, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ACTION HAPPEN IN 2023.
WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT ACTION.
IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER JIM BRINGS BACK WITH WONDERFUL NEWS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, UM, ON HOW WE CAN ADD EVEN ADDITIONAL MONIES NEXT YEAR, UM, TO THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT THEN I WOULD ASK FOR RICK, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT OPTIONS, BUT WE CAN'T LEAVE THIS DICE UNTIL WE TELL STAFF WAS IT WAS MARK.
UH, BRYAN STAFF WILL NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE ON THE WATER LINING PROJECT TO A WATER REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, COULD WE CHANGE THE NUMBER? I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS 1.5 MILLION GEM.
AND COULD YOU MAKE THAT NUMBER 4 MILLION W WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, FINANCING COMPONENT, YOU GET 4 MILLION, YOU FIGURE OUT THE FINANCING, WE'LL BE CALLING MR. BRAS OR FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING, GUYS, YOU CAN SELECT CASH, YOU CAN BOND IT OUT.
USE THE $300,000 REVENUE STREAM.
YOU COULD TAKE THE HARPER MONEY, YOU PICK, OKAY.
SO I THINK I HEAR A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR $4 MILLION BE ALLOCATED TO WHAT ON REPLACEMENT IT'S COUNCIL GAVE THAT.
BRIAN, YOU GOOD ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, MR. BELL? AND I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TOMORROW MORNING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT, UH, THE REQUEST IS REGARDING THE 4 MILLION, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO ACCOMMODATE COUNSEL'S REQUEST BY MONDAY.
AND WE STILL HAVE TO BID THAT OUT RUSS.
UH, YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO BID, THEN YOU'D BRING THAT BACK TO US FOR US TO APPROVE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM SPENDING ANY OF THAT MONEY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS HEARD HOW IMPORTANT THAT ISSUE IS TO THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF AND STAFF HAS HEARD THAT AS WELL.
IS THE, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARDING, UH, THE OVERALL BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ACTUAL LINE ITEM THAT WE'RE ON.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET OUTSIDE OF WATER? CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON WATER, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE PERMANENT BUDGET TO MONDAY'S MEETING.
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H WHICH IS THE AUTHORIZATION OF PREVIOUS ADVANCES TRANSFERS WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.SO JIM, IS THIS USABLE? YES, SIR.
IT IS ALSO ME AND THE, UM, WE HAD A PREVIOUS PROJECT, UM, WITH ISSUE TWO FUNDING AND IT'S BEEN NOT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO GET, UH, ISSUE TO FUNDING.
AND, UH, RUSS COULD GO INTO THIS, UH, UM, FURTHER WITH, UH, USED TO BE THAT WE COULD GET AN ENTIRE GRANT FOR THE FUNDING.
AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THESE, UM, PROJECTS ARE, UM, BID AGAINST EACH OTHER.
HE BIDS ACCORDING TO OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET ADDITIONAL POINTS, YOU MOVE UP ON THE SCALE TO GET SELECTED IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO HALF GRANT, HALF LOAN.
AND SO THIS WAS THE CASE WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, UH, THE, UM, BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WIDENING AND CULVERT REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
AND SO WE ORIGINALLY WERE TRYING TO GET A $500,000 GRANT ENDED UP BEING, UM, 250 GRANT, 250 LOAN.
AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING AT THAT TIME, THE FINANCING WAS DONE AS A HALF TRANSFER, HALF ADVANCE, UH, FROM THE GAS TAX FUND, UM, INTO THE ISSUE TO FUND WHERE WE WERE DOING THE PROJECT.
AND WHAT I WOULD REQUEST NOW IS THAT THE OTHER ADVANCE FOR THE LOAN THAT WE DID NOT TAKE THE LOAN AND WE JUST PAY IT OUT OF AVAILABLE BALANCE.
AND SO THAT, UM, WHAT WAS INITIALLY A $250,000 ADVANCE FOR THE LOAN FOR THE GRANT PORTION AND $250,000 TRANSFER FOR THE, UM, UM, FOR THE, UM, UH, THE LOAN PORTION.
UM, WE NOW RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THAT ADVANCE HAS A TRANSFER IF THAT, UM, IS THE WISH OF COUNSEL, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT WAY WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT MONEY TO BE PAID BACK THROUGH THE LOAN BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
AND I JUST, UM, WOULD RATHER THAT BE A COMPLETE TRANSFER AND, UH, AND BE DONE WITH IT.
AND, UM, AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT
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ADDING ADDITIONAL DEBT TO THE CITY'S CURRENT DEBT LEVEL.ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? ANY OBJECTIONS, DID YOU HAVE THAT, WHAT YOU WOULD BE ASKING TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND YOU CAN ADOPT AS AN EMERGENCY? YES, THAT IS AN ORDINANCE.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT, UH, UH, TO CLEAN THINGS UP FOR THE END OF THE YEAR.
[ Authorization - Kroger Aquatic Center Painting Contract]
I IS THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE COURT KROGER AQUATIC CENTER PAINTING CONTRACT? UH, YES, I WORKED WITH, UM, OUR LAW DIRECTOR, JERRY MCDONALD ON THIS, UH, LEGISLATION, UH, COUNCIL HAD PASSED A LEGISLATION AT THE, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING TO, UM, TO DO SEVERAL, UM, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND, AND OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.UH, ONE OF THEM WAS TO PAY FOR PAINTING, UM, UH, LISTED AS LAKER POOL PAINTING.
IT'S ACTUALLY LAKE POOL PAINTING.
AND, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE, UM, IN GETTING, UH, CONTACT WITH THAT, UH, VENDOR AND ENDED UP, UH, THE YMCA, UH, CHRIS LINDEMANN, UH, DIRECTOR OVER THERE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE PAINTING DONE AND, UH, WORKED WITH THAT SAME CONTRACTOR.
BUT NOW, UH, NOW THAT THE WORK IS DONE, THEY PAID FOR IT.
AND SO THEY'RE NOW ASKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD, UH, COME TO COUNCIL ASKING, UH, AND WORKED WITH JERRY ON WAS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, IN THAT PREVIOUS LEGISLATION WAS 32,000.
THE, UM, ACTUALLY THE PAPERWORK BEHIND THAT THAT WAS ATTACHED, UH, THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS 36,000 TO 76.
SO THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO I'M ASKING THAT WE INCREASE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF 36,000 TO 76, THEN THAT BE A REIMBURSEMENT TO THE DATE AND MCA WHO HAS ALREADY PAID FOR THIS.
AND, UH, IT WAS DONE AT OUR AQUATIC CENTER.
SO, UH, I THINK IT IT'D BE APPROPRIATE THAT WE PAY THEM BACK.
AND, UM, JERRY, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE IN HERE.
I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, UH, PUTTING IT IN, UH, IN YOUR LEGAL, UH, LANGUAGE THAT, UH, WOULD ALLOW THIS TO, UH, CORRECT THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL.
I THINK A GYM, ANY OBJECTIONS.
WE'LL MOVE THAT TO MONDAY AND NEXT AS I'M THREE J,
[ Old Troy Pike North Bound Widening Project - Award Contract]
WHICH IS THE OLD TROY PIKE NORTHBOUND WIDENING PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, UH, THIS IS HIS, UM, OLD TROY PIKE, UH, ON THE NORTHBOUND, BUT JUST TO START SET, UH, TAYLORSVILLE, WELL, IT'S TAYLOR'S LITTLE ROAD TO THE HIGHWAY IS ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY BEEN AN ISSUE FOR US.AND LAST YEAR, WHEN A BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, SCOTT AND I WENT OVER THAT WITH THEM AND IT WAS GOOD FOR THEM AND FOR US TO WIDEN OLD TROY PIKE ON THE EAST SIDE WITH ONE MORE LANE.
AND, UH, THEY'VE HAD AGREED TO DO THAT.
SO THEY WERE WIDENING IN FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON TAYLORSVILLE TO THE INTERSECTION, AND THEN GOING UP OLD, TROY GOING NORTH, THEY WILL WIDEN ONE LANE IN FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THREE LANES NOW GOING NORTH ON TROY PIKE.
AND THEY WERE USING T S T C ENGINEERING TO DO THAT WORK FOR THE WIDENING AND FOR THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, I DECIDED TO ASK TEC TO GIVE ME A QUOTE TO GO FROM, UH, THEY WERE TAKING A, BASICALLY TO HUBER COURT, UM, RIGHT NEAR HUNTINGTON BANK.
UH, I ASKED THEM TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME A QUOTE TO FINISH OFF THE ROAD WITH THE WIDE EXTRA LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY RAMP, WHICH WOULD BE TAKEN TO ANOTHER LANE IN FRONT OF HUNTINGTON BANK, STARBUCKS MCDONALD'S.
AND SO BE A THIRD LANE GOING NORTH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE FROM WHEN WE'RE DONE TAYLORSVILLE TO THE HIGHWAY.
UM, WITH THAT, WE ALWAYS FELT THAT WOULD BE, UH, OBVIOUSLY A GOOD THING.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE STORAGE FOR CARS THERE.
IT WILL HELP GET TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD OR ANYBODY TURNING INTO ANY OF THOSE, UH, UH, BUSINESSES.
UH, WHEN I GOT, UH, THE ESTIMATE FOR THE QUOTE FROM TC, IT WAS AT $81,444 TO DESIGN THAT WIDENING AND TO DESIGN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AT MERELY WAY TO BE THE MAST ARMS, UH, WHAT SHOULD WITH THAT WIDENING, IT'S GOING TO TAKE REDOING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL ANYWAYS.
SO YOU'RE BEST TO JUST DO THE MASS STORMS. SO DESIGN INCLUDED THAT AND THE WIDENING THE WIDENING IS PRETTY HARD TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES THROUGH THERE, AND THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM WITH WIDENING THE ROAD THERE.
BUT, UM, THIS 81 WOULD INCLUDE THE WIDENING AND THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, I DID GO THEN TO, UH, CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING AND ASK THEM FOR A QUOTE.
AND THEY CAME BACK WITH ALMOST THE ACTUALLY CAME A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS CHEAPER, BUT I WANTED TO STAY WITH TC CAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE REST OF IT.
AND SO, UH, WITH DECIDED WITH THOSE TWO QUOTES, I'D TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.
WE DID HAVE THIS IN A BUDGET FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
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PUT IT IN LAST YEAR FOR DESIGN FOR THAT.AND THIS IS LIKE A SAY, CAME IN AT 81,000.
UH, SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT DESIGNED, UH, WOULD PROBABLY WE'LL WAIT TILL THE BEGINNING OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO CONSTRUCT IT, OR PROBABLY TAKE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AT LEAST TO DESIGN.
AT THAT POINT, WE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO AT THAT POINT, BUT WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO END UP DOING THAT WIDENING AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND MAYBE IN THAT POINT, WE CAN POSSIBLY TRY FOR SOME FUNDING BECAUSE THERE'S TRAFFIC SAFETY STUDIES THAT CAN, UH, SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY FOR PROMOTE.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW THOUGH, IT'S JUST DESIGN OF THAT AREA.
SO IS THERE, UM, IS THE WHITENING GOING TO, GOING TO START AND GET US UP TO THAT POINT OR BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH BROAD REACH, THAT WE WERE GOING TO START ON WIDENING IN THE CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO THAT ROADWAY PRIOR TO ANY REAL CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING THERE.
SO WE WEREN'T OVERBURDENING THE TRAFFIC ALREADY.
I THOUGHT THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE HAPPENING.
SO THE WAY THAT THAT WOULD WORK WAS IS THAT WE WOULD WITHHOLD, UH, PERMITTING FOR THOSE BUILDINGS SO THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE BUILDINGS IN ADVANCE OF THE WIDENING BEING DONE.
BUT THEN WE WOULD HOLD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL ALL OF THE CONDITIONS ARE MET FROM THE APPROVED PLAN.
SO THE BUILDINGS MIGHT EXIST, BUT THEY CAN'T BE OCCUPIED AND UTILIZE.
THEN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO WORK CONCURRENTLY TO GET THAT THAT DONE.
AND THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY DECEMBER 23RD.
AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO EXPECT LEGISLATION OR A REQUEST TO VACATE THE HUBER COURT RIGHT OF WAY AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
SO THEY'RE PLANNING TO GET HOPPING ON IT RIGHT AWAY.
WITH THIS, UH, ALSO ENCOMPASS RUSS THE, UM, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT A RIGHT TURN ONLY MERRILY WAY TO NORTHBOUND TROY LANE.
WE DISCUSSED THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT ONE LANE THAT'S THAT STRAIGHT AND RIGHT TURN GETS WAY BACKED UP FOR THAT ARBY'S INTERSECTION RIGHT IN FRONT OF ARBY'S.
WE ARE REQUESTING THEM TO DRIVE, HAVE A RIGHT TO BE A PART OF THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, DON.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PROPOSED NEW LIGHT AT BURGER KING? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
NOW THAT MIGHT PART HAPPEN IF THEY'RE STARTING CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FIRST YEAR, THAT PORTION MAY COME BEFORE WE GET THERE, BUT IT SHOULD ALL WORK OUT WITH THAT EXTRA LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE LIGHT.
AND THEN WE WILL PICK IT UP AFTER THAT.
AND YOU BOUGHT, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IS THAT A MASS STORM, UM, LIGHT GOING IN THERE? HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR, UM, UH, DESIGN FOR THAT YET? I HAVE NOT.
UH, RUSS, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEARS AGO WHEN WE KIND OF REDID A LOT OF THE, UH, LANE DIRECTION WITH, UM, WAYNE TOWN AND TROY, UM, REGARDING THE, THE BUS STOPS.
UM, I KNOW RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THERE IS ONLY THE ONE BUS STOP, UM, AND CROSSWALK THERE AT, UH, THE, UH, KIND OF THE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE CROSSWALK, UH, ONCE THIS REDESIGN IS DONE? UM, AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO INTERFERE OR, UM, MANAGE, UM, BUS STOP LOCATIONS IN THAT AREA? UM, ALL THAT WILL, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE BUS STOPS LOCATIONS AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT BUS STOP, UH, THE SHELTER, CORRECT, BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PARKING LOT AREA RIGHT THERE.
WE MAY HAVE TO LOSE THE SHELTER, BUT THERE STILL BE A BUS STOP THERE.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET IT IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEING USED A LOT.
UM, CAN YOU ASK THE REST OF THE QUESTION AGAIN? UH, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A CROSSWALK THAT'S ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, WILL THERE BE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR DIRECTIONS OF WALKING.
CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS WE HAD, WE DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT GOING IN WITH BROADER REACH, WITH A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
I'M SURE PEOPLE'S GOING TO BE WALKING TO THE MOVIE THEATER.
KROGER'S THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE IN THAT THOUGHT CONCEPT CROSSWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE WAS THERE FIRST, BEFORE WE WIDENED IT COMING OUT OF KROGER OR WHATEVER, AND HE HAD TO MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE AND THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT.
I'M NOT POSITIVE WHY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SAME REASON WOULD BE ANY REASON WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP IT ON THE, AND I'M SURE THAT IN THIS DESIGN, THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S GOING TO GO IN, WE'LL HAVE A FOUR WAY DIRECTIONAL WALKING AS WELL.
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OKAY.YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY TWO, YOU KNOW, ONGOING QUESTIONS IS THE FOUR WAY DIRECTIONAL WALKING THERE AT WAYNE TOWN MERRILY WAY AND THE BUS STOP, UH, INTEGRITY, UH, FOR THOSE AREAS.
THAT'D BE MY ONLY TWO QUESTIONS COMING OUT OF THAT.
THE QUESTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ORD IN THIS CONTRACT ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Ordinance Modification - Huber Heights City Code - Section 509.08(b)(10) - Disturbing The Peace]
K, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE MODIFICATION FOR, HE WRITES CITY CODE SECTION 5 0 9 0 8 B 10 FOR DISTURBING THE PEACE, UH, YEAH.THAT HOPEFULLY THIS CONVERSATION IS MUCH SHORTER ABOUT THIS THAN THE LAST ONE.
IF I COULD, IF I COULD SPEAK ON THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, I GUESS THE DISCUSSION.
UM, THIS IS LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A REVISION TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WAS, WAS DISCUSSED AT, UH, ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, I BROUGHT IT BACK BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS A LOT ON SATURDAY NOISE AND IT IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS SATURDAY AT ALL.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THAT THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, NO NOISE.
UH, SO I DID BRING THIS HERE TO SEE IF WE COULD ADD SATURDAY TO THAT ORDINANCE.
UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION LAST TIME WAS ABOUT CHANGING IT DURING THE WEEK.
IT CURRENTLY IS AT 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
I'VE NEVER, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM ANYBODY SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, THOSE, THOSE HOURS.
SO THAT REALLY WASN'T AN ISSUE I WAS KIND OF TRYING TO BRING UP.
IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT I WANTED SOMETHING IN THERE FOR SATURDAY SO I COULD TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT REALLY IS.
UM, SO, UM, REAL QUICK, UH, IN YOUR PACKET, I DID INCLUDE LOVING OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEIR HOURS ARE.
SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE AREA'S DOING.
AND I GET THAT FROM CONTRACTORS.
IF YOU START CHANGING HOURS, LIKE WHEN NOBODY ELSE HAS THAT LATE, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL START AT SEVEN TYPICALLY.
SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT TO SEE, UM, HOW WE CAN PREPARE TO OURS.
UM, I KNOW JERRY IS INCLUDED IN LEGISLATION.
HE PUT IT, WRITTEN IT AT SEVEN TO SEVEN, UH, INSTEAD OF SEVEN TO 10, THERE WAS NO PROBLEM AT NIGHT.
NOBODY REALLY WORKS PAST SEVEN O'CLOCK ANYWAYS.
SO REDUCING THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANY ANYTHING.
UH, AND HE HAS IT AS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
SO THAT'S HOW I HASN'T WRITTEN.
I'M ASKING IF YOU COULD CONSIDER GOING WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, ONE THING ABOUT IT IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS CONSISTENT MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, NOT CHANGING THE TIMES FOR SATURDAY TO A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME BECAUSE CONTRACTORS DON'T READ OUR CODES AND THEY ALL JUST ASSUME IT'S THE SAME ALL WEEK.
SO WE MAKE IT A LOT OF CONFUSED, CHANGED IT TO LIKE EIGHT O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SEVEN.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET POLICE CALLS.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I NOTICED IN HERE.
NOBODY ELSE DID THAT CHANGE AGAIN ON SATURDAY TO A DIFFERENT TIME.
SO, SO I THINK THE BIG ISSUE NOW THAN IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SEVEN O'CLOCK OR IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING, BUT WE CAN'T BE IN A SITUATION WHERE CONCRETE TRUCK PULLS UP IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AT SIX 15, UM, WITH THE MOTOR RUNNING, JUST TO KEEP THE CONCRETE FRESH AND KEEP IT GOING FOR 45 MINUTES BEFORE THEY START WORK.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE.
SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ROOM FOR LEEWAY WITHOUT GETTING THE POLICE INVOLVED AND START WRITING CITATIONS IF SEVEN O'CLOCK IS GOING TO BE THE TIME, IF IT WAS EIGHT O'CLOCK I THINK THAT MIGHT ADD A LITTLE BIT LEEWAY IN THERE, BUT IF IT'S SEVEN, I THINK THERE CANNOT BE ANYTHING, NOT EVEN A TRUCK SITTING IN FRONT OF HOUSE RUNNING PRIOR TO SEVEN O'CLOCK GLENN.
I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT RICHARD MAYER.
I THINK FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, I THINK DIRECTION WAS GIVEN VERY CLEARLY TO THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, IN CORRELATION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE LAW DIRECTOR OF WHAT CAN BE CITED AND WHAT CAN'T BE SIDED.
UM, AND WITH THESE TIMES I AM ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE NO LEEWAY.
THESE ARE THE TIMES THESE, THIS IS IT, PERIOD.
SO HAVE, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE POLICE CHIEF OR IF, IF THIS, IF COUNCIL AGREES TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION, THEN I THINK THAT THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH POLICE.
SO, UH, CHIEF LIGHTENER CAN MAKE ALL OF THE, UM, ALL THE OFFICERS AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET CALLS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING PRIOR TO SEVEN O'CLOCK, EVEN IN A THREE 50 DIESELS, THAT'S JUST TRANSPORTING WORKERS SHOULD NOT BE ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE PRIOR TO SEVEN O'CLOCK ON A SATURDAY MORNING OR ANY MORE OBJECTIONS ARE MOVING THESE PROPOSED HOURS ONTO MONDAY.
MAYOR, I DID ACTUALLY HAVE ONE POINT, UH, WITH THIS CHANGE, UH, RUSS,
[02:20:01]
UM, I'M SURE THAT WE HAVE A DATABASE OF CONTRACTORS THAT WE USE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY ARE WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, UH, UH, ABLE TO ADEQUATELY INFORM THESE AND EDUCATE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA THAT ARE CURRENTLY DOING WORK OF THESE HOURS AND, AND REGULATIONS.AND THAT ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
IF THAT IS VIOLATED, ARE YOU REFERRING TO CONTRACTS WITH THE WORK FOR THE CITY OR ANYBODY ALL THE ABOVE, WE NEED TO GET WITH THE DAYTON AREA BOARD OF REALTORS, IF WE NEED TO GET, I, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET A PRETTY GOOD THRESHOLD OF WHO'S WORKING IN OUR CITY.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WHEN WE, WHENEVER WE DO A PROJECT, IT'S IN OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND, UH, DOC CONTRACT DOCUMENTS THAT THEY, WHAT THE HOURS THEY CAN WORK.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE THE SAME.
IT'S THE THREE BIG BUILDERS OUT THERE LIKE RYAN HOME AND HORTON AND ALL THOSE THAT I WILL CONTACT ENOUGH, SEND THEM THIS, LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE EXCELLENT.
NOW I THINK COUNCIL ALSO DISCUSSED THAT, UH, ONCE WE MADE THIS DECISION, ANY MOVING FORWARD, ANY NEW CONTRACTORS COMING IN, WHETHER THE SUBS OR NOT ARE GOING TO ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION AT HAND AND MADE, MADE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR TO THEM.
THANK YOU, RICHARD AND CRAIG, HE MISSES AN ORDINANCE.
SO COUNSELING HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO MOVE THIS ON TO A SECOND READING OR WAIVE A SECOND READING, UM, FOR, FOR THE 13TH, WRAP IT UP.
SO COUNSELING'S LED TELL YOU NOW HOW YOU, HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
SO WE KNOW HOW TO PREPARE THE LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY SECOND READING OR WAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD SUGGEST NOT WAVING A SECOND RATING.
I'D LIKE TO SAY BECAUSE OF DISTANCE.
EVERYBODY AGREEMENT FOR A SECOND WEEK.
[ ZC 21-34 - The Annex Group - 6502 Old Troy Pike - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
IS ZONING CASE 21 DASH 34, THE NEXT GROUP AT 65 0 2 ON TROY PIKE.THIS IS THE REZONING FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AFTER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, SEVERAL TOPICS WERE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND I'D LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW OF THOSE.
IF I MAY, THE FIRST WAS PARKING PARKING PLACES IN PARTICULAR, A NEW SITE PLAN WAS SENT TO ME THIS AFTERNOON.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THAT INTO YOUR PACKET.
UH, THIS NEW SITE PLAN SHOWS 382 SPACES.
THAT'S A RATIO OF 1.8 PER UNIT, AN INCREASE FROM, UH, THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO CHAMBERSBURG AND THE INTERSECTION, THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND OF COURSE THE WATER CONNECTIONS.
UM, MR. BOURBON WROTE A MEMO, UM, SUBMITTED THAT INTO YOUR PACKET.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND THEN, UH, THE PILOT PAYMENTS WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP AND I WOULD DEFER TO MR. , AS HE'S BEEN SPEAKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, ABOUT THE PILOT PAYMENTS, THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR COMMENT AND QUESTION, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I THINK, UM, BRIAN W WANNA START WITH THE PILOT PAYMENTS CAUSE THAT'S FROM A, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR SURE WE COULD MOVE ON TO ANY OTHER.
SO, UM, EXCUSE ME, UH, JUST AS A, AS A REMINDER THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SITE SITS WITHIN A PREEXISTING, UH PRE-EXISTING AND A PRE 1994, UH, COMMUNITY RE-INVESTMENT AREA.
SO IT IS, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BATEMAN SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO DO SO.
UM, AND THAT IS, UM, AN ABATEMENT THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND COUNCIL CONSIDER IN LIEU OF PAYMENTS, UM, AN EXCHANGE OF TAX PILOTS PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES.
UH, AND SO WE, UH, HAD HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, WE'D ASK THE DEVELOPER TO REACH OUT.
AND, UH, WE DID, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEVELOPER TODAY.
SO WE HAVE STARTED THE DIALOGUE, BUT WE ARE NOT, UM, NEGOTIATING THE RATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TAX VALUE AND, UH, THEIR ESTIMATED VALUE, OUR ESTIMATED VALUE AND SOME BASIC PARAMETERS AND SOME CONCEPTS OF WHERE WE THOUGHT THE NEGOTIATION SHOULD GO.
SO WHILE I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK BRIEFLY, UH, WITH COUNCIL TONIGHT ABOUT A PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE OF TAXES THAT WE WOULD SEE AS THE PILOT OR A PARTICULAR VALUE THAT WE WOULD SEE AS THE PILOT, UH, WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL, JUST BECAUSE THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER AND I WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE DIALOGUE IN PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO THAT, UH, THAT IS AN OUTSTANDING ISSUE THAT COUNCIL DID ASK US TO ADDRESS, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, THAT REMAINS ONGOING AT THIS TIME.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON OR TO DELIVER PRESENTS HER HAIR, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, OR IF NOT? OKAY.
WELL, I MEAN, IF, YEAH, RICHARD'S THANK YOU, MARY JASON, I'M LOOKING AT
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THE TRAFFIC STUDY REPORT.THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS INCLUDED READING THROUGH ON PAGE THREE.
UM, IT STATES THAT THE DATA COLLECTED THAT WAS UTILIZING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY WAS FOR MARCH OF 2018.
I MEAN, ROUGHLY THREE YEARS OLD DATA.
AND, UH, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING, DID TOUCH ON THAT.
UM, ANY TECHNICAL ISSUES I WOULD DEFER TO MR. BOURBON OR THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I CAN'T SPEAK OVERLY INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THAT SUBJECT.
I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, WAS THE APPLICANT OR THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOLKS, HAVE THEY BEEN ON SITE? UM, OR DID THEY PULL THE NUMBERS FROM PREVIOUS STUDIES? I WOULD DEFER THAT TO THE ENGINEERING GOOD EVENING, UH, JUUL FOR HERE WITH KIMBERLY HORN ON BEHALF OF THE ANNEX GROUP.
UM, I DID PREPARE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, THE REASON WHY WE USE THE TRAFFIC COUNT DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE CITY FROM THE 2018, UM, WAS JUST SO WE COULD TURN AROUND TRUCK STUDY QUICKLY AND NOT HAVE TO GET NEW ACCOUNTS THAT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO DO.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT WAS ALSO ODAT DATA AND LOOKED AT THERE'S ACTUALLY COUNT STATIONS UP DONALD TROY PIKE, THE, THE NUMBERS IN 2018 TO NOW HAVE NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, AND THEREFORE WE FELT LIKE IT WAS REASONABLE TO CONTINUE TO USE THOSE TOURNAMENTS AT COUNTS FROM 2018 FOR THE ANALYSIS.
AND WE DID A PO APPLY GROWTH RATE.
UM, I BELIEVE THE GROWTH RATE THAT WE APPLIED TO THE 2018 NUMBERS IS MENTIONED IN THE STUDY IS ONE, 1.5%.
WE APPLIED FROM A FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION TO GET TO OUR BUILD OUT YEAR.
SO THERE IS GROWTH EVEN APPLIED ON THOSE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE WERE ANALYZING A 2018 CONDITION.
AND WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WAS THIS A PASS FAIL? UH, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE GRADE THAT YOU CAME UP WITH ON THIS? SO THE GRADE IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD BASED ON A AVERAGE DELAY PER VEHICLE AT THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE OVERALL LEVEL OF SERVICES AND INTERSECTION IS A D UM, WHICH IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, FOR, FOR TRAFFIC, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MITIGATE FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND I THINK IT WAS AN AVERAGE, A ONE SECOND DELAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE CONDITION.
UM, I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 46 SECONDS TO 47 SECONDS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IS THE AVERAGE DELAY OF A VEHICLE THAT APPROACHES THIS INTERSECTION DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
SO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, GRADE, UH, WOULD BE A D AM I CORRECT? YEP.
WHAT IS THE GRADE NOW? IT'S CURRENTLY A D CURRENTLY A D IT DIDN'T CHANGE, SO IT DIDN'T CHANGE AT ALL.
BUT IT ALSO, UH, UH, FROM, FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT'S BEING DONE, IT'S NOT IMPROVING IT EITHER.
NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPROVE IT.
NOW WHEN SAY I DID PUT IN THERE A DRAWING SHOWING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH, UH, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD GOING WEST, WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET TO THAT PROJECT, UH, IT'LL BE WIDENED OUT AT THAT SIDE.
I THINK THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL HOPEFULLY GO GET A LITTLE BETTER WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT TO THAT SIDE OF THAT.
WHEN, WHEN THE, THE EASTBOUND APPROACH OR THE WESTLAKE AND INTERSECTIONS IMPROVE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DRAMATIC INCREASES.
UM, YOU HAVE SHORT TURN LANES TODAY, SOME SHARED THROUGH AND RIGHT TURN ON THAT APPROACH WITH JUST A VERY SHORT, LEFT TURN LANE, UM, WHICH IS NOTED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT THIS PROJECT IS DOING IS THE EXTENSION OF THE SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND ALLOWING THAT ADDITIONAL CUING CAPACITY THAT THE STACK THERE, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH A THROUGHPUT AND CERTAINLY INCREASED THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, NOT NECESSARILY SHOWING IN OUR RESULTS, BUT IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STUDY THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, MARY, AT THIS TIME, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE BRIAN, BASED ON JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF THIS YET.
THERE'S YOUR REC IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER READING WE'RE UNTIL LIKE, DO WE KNOW WHEN WE'LL HAVE KIND OF SOME THAT INFORMATION OR DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THAT? UH, WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT WHEN WORK PRODUCT WAS EXPECTED BACK FROM THE ANNEX GROUP TO MY OFFICE, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD NEED THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THE PROJECT COULD BE APPROVED.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD BE WITHIN COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE TO TABLE THIS ISSUE UNTIL WE HAD INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT REGARDING, UH, WHAT THE, UH, THE PILOT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THIS ISN'T A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, RIGHT? THIS IS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS, CORRECT.
THE ESTIMATED TOTAL TAX BILL, UH, FOUR, I BELIEVE IT WAS 38 MILLION WAS THE INITIAL, TOTAL PROJECTED INVESTMENT.
THE CUMULATIVE 15 YEAR TAX BILL IS JUST UNDER $14 MILLION.
SO THERE'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FIGURE HERE THAT WE'RE WALKING THROUGH AND TALKING THROUGH.
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UM, UH, IT WOULD BE REMISSIVE COUNCIL TO MOVE ON THIS CONDITIONED UPON THAT UNTIL WE KNOW UNTIL IT'S CONDITIONER.SO WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT.
SO, YES, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT COUNCIL IS WITHIN ITS PREROGATIVE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, UH, AN AGREEABLE NUMBER BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT ON THE PILOT, ANY OBJECTIONS TO FOLLOWING THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, RICHARD BARE.
I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT COME TO MIND AND THIS MAY BE ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, UM, AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES I DON'T REALLY LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, UM, THE MARKET RATE AVAILABILITY OF THE, OF THE PRODUCTS THAT, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN HERE? UM, I WANT TO SAY, UH, UM, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE SAME NUMBER OF BUILDING, SAME NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
CAN YOU KIND OF GO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE MARKET RATE AVAILABILITY, UH, OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ADD TO OUR COMMUNITY, SIR? HELLO.
UM, MY NAME IS JOYCE SKIDMORE.
I THINK, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL MET COUNTERPART, UH, TYLER KNOCKS, UNFORTUNATELY HE IS UNDER THE WEATHER, UH, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM ON THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS ISN'T AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
UM, IT IS A, UM, IT IS RENT RESTRICTED, AND SO THEREFORE WE INCOME QUALIFY OUR TENANTS THAT WOULD LIVE IN THE PROJECT.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT TENANTS THAT WOULD MAKE BETWEEN THIRTY ONE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY.
THOSE ARE THE HUD RENT OR HUD AMI LEVELS THAT ARE SET FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AND SO WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 216 UNITS.
THOSE ARE ONES, TWOS, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
IF I, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY HERE, UM, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THE SIX BUILDINGS THAT WAS PROPOSED.
UM, CAN YOU GO THROUGH AND CON UM, KIND OF CONFIRM, UM, IF YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AVAILABLE, THE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM OPTIONS, AND I ASSUME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SAME NUMBERS, UM, OF THE HUD AVAILABILITY, UM, THAT YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED.
SO YOU MEAN HOW MANY ONES, HOW MANY TWOS AND THREES? SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
THAT'S PROBABLY A BIG REASON WHY I'M ASSUMING YOU SPOKE WITH TYLER TODAY AND WHY WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE NUMBERS AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT UNIT MIX WILL BE.
AND SO WE'RE WAITING ON OUR MARKET STUDY TO COME BACK TO TELL US LIKE, HEY, THIS IS HOW MANY, UM, ONES, TWOS, AND THREES YOU SHOULD HAVE IN THE PROJECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.
UM, IN THE FOREST, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WHERE WE JUST TABLE THIS I'M A FAVOR WAITING UNTIL WE CAN GET THROUGH THE NUMBERS TO JANUARY NEXT UP IS, OH, I'M SORRY.
BUT I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE, THE GROUP.
UM, DID YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THE, THE TIMEFRAME TO, UH, IN TERMS OF US TABLING THIS MATTER UNTIL THE, AT LEAST THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY? SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ON THE PILOT, DO WE, WOULD WE HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY TO GET THE PILOT APPROVED AFTER ZONING? OR ARE WE SAYING THAT COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL OF IT ALL TOGETHER? SO THE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH TYLER IS SO PROCEDURALLY NO, IF YOU HAD APPROVAL TODAY OR WHATEVER COUNCIL WERE TO GIVE APPROVAL TO THIS, THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE ABATEMENT AND THE PILOT WOULD COME AT A LATER MEETING, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONTINGENT ON AN AGREEABLE PILOT.
SO WHILE THE COUNCIL WOULD SEE WHAT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE PARTNERED TOGETHER, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A PILOT SHOULD BE AND WOULD BE ON BOTH SIDES WOULD NEED TO BE KNOWN.
IS THAT, IS THAT AN INCORRECT SUMMARY OF, UM, THAT'S PROJECT? YES, I GUESS THAT IS CORRECT.
SO NO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE COMPANION PIECES OF LEGISLATION, BUT WE NEED TO BE ON THE, WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE PLAN, AND, BUT YET THEY CANNOT APPROVE THAT THEY CAN NOT REACH AGREEMENT WITH THE ANNEX GROUP ON WHAT THE PILOT SHOULD BE, THEN THE APPROVAL
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OF THE PLAN IS RATHER VIEWED.[ ZC 21-35 - DDC Management - Chambersburg Road - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
WHICH IS ON CASE 21 DASH 35.I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ONLY REAL STICKING POINT WAS THE CONNECTION TO SANDAL VIEW, UH, THE APPLICANTS HERE, UH, I'M ASSUMING PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THAT TONIGHT.
AND I BELIEVE AT THAT MEETING, HE DID STATE THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DO WHATEVER COUNSEL WISHED WHETHER YOU WANTED THE CONNECTION OR NOT.
THEY WERE WILLING TO WORK EITHER WAY.
I WOULD LET HIM SPEAK ON THAT.
UH, BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS THE ONLY MY STICKING POINT ON THAT.
UH, PERSONALLY, I, IF THE CONNECTIONS NECESSARY AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE FOR SAY EMERGENCY SERVICES, I PREFER A DATED CONNECTION WITH AN BOX.
UM, AND YOU CAN DESIGN A, A WALKING PATH, BIKE PATH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO RUN ALONGSIDE OF IT AND, UM, NEXT TO IT FOR, FOR USE.
UM, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A WISE MOVE TO PUSH TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT WILL PUSH A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
AND LIKE WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, UM, RUSTIC WOODS IN TAYLORSVILLE IS, IS ALMOST NEEDING A LIGHT RIGHT NOW, SOMETIMES A DAY, IT DOES NEED A LIGHT AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY THROW A BIG WRENCH IN THERE.
SO I DON'T LIKE THE CONNECTOR, BUT IF WE HAVE IT, HAVE IT GATED WITH A KNOCK BOX OR SOMETHING FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND TO REITERATE FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE DID CHECK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT CONNECTION IS NOT REQUIRED.
UM, I, UH, I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB, UH, FOR SENDING SOME EMAIL COMMUNICATION, UM, AND, AND JOINING THE DISCUSSION ON THE RUSTIC WOODS CONNECTION.
UM, I STILL BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN BAKER HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONNECTABILITY, I BELIEVE, UH, DURING THE LAST MEETING WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
I ALSO A TRUE BELIEVER IN CONNECTABILITY.
UM, I JUST, I, I GUESS I'M HAVING A PROBLEM STOMACHING THE FACT THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO FIND A WILL, UM, I'M SORRY, OR TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION, BECAUSE I THINK THE WILL ON THIS COUNCIL IS THERE, UH, I, AN AGREEANCE WITH, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER AUTO, I THINK A, UM, SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS OUT CURRENTLY NEEDED AT RUSTIC WOODS AND, UH, AND TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, I THINK THIS COULD BE A COMBINATION EFFORT.
I THINK THAT THE ROAD, UM, SUITS, UM, THAT CONNECTION PIECE, I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THE TERRAIN, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.
I JUST THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, I, THIS PROJECT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE IN MY OPINION, NOT TO HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY PART.
UM, I JUST THINK IT DOESN'T MEET SANDAL VIEW, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ROAD IS STRUCTURED.
I MEAN, YOU'D BE LUCKY ENOUGH ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A FIVE O'CLOCK, UH, YOU KNOW, EVENING TO GET ONE CAR DOWN THE ROAD WITH CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, HOWEVER ON RUSTIC WOOD, YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT THE STREET ALREADY DESIGNED FOR THAT.
THAT IS MY ABSOLUTE ONLY, UM, A HICCUP THAT I'M HAVING WITH THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE DO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO SAN VIEW, I AM IN THE GRANTS OF SOME SORT OF WALKING PATH BIKING PATH THAT IS PUT THERE THROUGH THERE TO CONNECT THAT AREA.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME FUTURE CONVERSATIONS ON SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE AND PARKING, YOU KNOW, OUR PARK ACCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN THE FUTURE, BUT I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT RUSTIC WOODS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONNECTION.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KEY.
UM, I THINK IT'D BE KEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT KEY FOR THE CITY.
UM, AND, UH, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT CONNECTABILITY WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, MADE EVERY CONTACT NECESSARY TO SAY THAT ABSOLUTELY 100% IS NOT ABLE TO BE DONE, THEN ALL LIVE WITH IT AND MOVE ON.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
MA'AM CAN WE REFRESH MY MEMORY? HOW MUCH WAS IT TO CONNECT TO RUSTIC VERSUS THERE WAS A DOLLAR IN THE DOLL.
I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN, BUT I DON'T RECALL GOOD EVENING AND GET ME JOHN BILLS WITH DC MANAGEMENT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DOLLAR.
UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THERE AND THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH IT, LIKE TO COME UP WITH A SPECIFIC DOLLAR, BUT IT'S,
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UM, SIX OR SEVEN FIGURES, PLUS IT IS A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING TO DO THERE AS WELL AS WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO.WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE PERMITTING TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF STRING CROSSING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THE LIMITATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO.
THERE'S ALREADY TWO STREAM CROSSINGS AT THE FRONT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
EACH ONE HAS ONE COMING IN IT'S WE HAVE TO STAY UNDER 300 FEET WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT OF STREAM IMPACT.
WHEN WE DO IT, WE'RE STRUGGLING TO GET THE 300 FOOT WITH THE NARROW ONE IN THE BACK AT THE RIGHT.
IF WE GET TO THE WIDER PORTION TO THE LEFT, WE CAN'T GET THE PERMITTING TO DO THAT STREAM CROSSING THERE AS WELL AS IF WE COULD, THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT'S UPPER, LIKE IN THE MILLIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HE'S SAYING YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION.
WELL, I THINK I GET IT, BUT HE MENTIONED THE PERMIT.
SO IF THE, SO IF, IF YOU HAD $5 MILLION TO BUILD A BRIDGE, IF HE CAN'T GET A PERMIT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE STILL COULDN'T GET A PERMITTED.
AS IT STANDS TODAY TO GO THE OTHER WAY, MONEY WOULD KILL THE PROJECT AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IT PERMITTED UNDER OUR DEVELOPMENT WITH IT BOTH.
SO IT'S, IT'S IN FEASIBLE FOR US WITH THIS PROJECT TO MAKE THE CONNECTION OF RUSTY WOODS.
I THINK AS MUCH AS I WANT CONNECTABILITY, I THINK PUSHING TRAFFIC THROUGH TOO SMALL OF A TUBE IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE CARS THAT SIT ON THE STREET.
AND NO ONE'S GOING TO BE HAPPY SITTING, WAITING FOR CARS TO COME THROUGH.
LIKE YOU GET UP THERE AND YOU GET, OH, YOU NEED THE BACKUP.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY HAPPY.
THE WHOLE POINT OF CONNECTABILITY IS THAT YOU'RE MOVING.
YOU CAN'T MOVE THE CARS THROUGH YOU.
MA'AM JASON, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THE ANSWER.
I KNOW YOU'RE, UM, KIND OF NEW TO THIS PLAN, BUT, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE GRAY AREA THERE.
UM, THE, UM, THE GRAY, BALD, UM, TYPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING.
WHO'S GONNA OWN THAT WHEN, UM, THIS ALL SHAKES OUT, I BELIEVE GREENSPACE CORRECT.
AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK IN THE PACKET, UM, AND THE NEXT ITEM, UH, ONE OF THE EXHIBITS UNDER THE CAP FIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AGREEMENT IS THIS DRAWING, WHICH SHOWS.
SO THE ACREAGE THAT IS ON THE NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ACREAGE THAT IS THE EAST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE DONATED TO THE CITY AS REC RECREATIONAL SPACE.
THE MAJORITY OF IT, UH, BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE A PASSIVE SPACE.
IT WOULD SIT IN ITS NATURAL STATE.
UH, THE IDEA BEING, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO MILES OF HIKING TRAILS WOULD BE CUT THROUGH THOSE WOODS.
UH, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC PARK AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UH, ON THIS DRAWING IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE, AS THE ACREAGE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENGINEER'S SEAL, THAT WOULD BE A CONVENTIONAL PUBLIC PARK WITH STRUCTURE AND APPARATUS.
SO THAT, UM, UM, AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE HIKING TRAIL AND STUFF WOULD HAVE NO ACCESS FROM A STREET OR PARKING OR ANYTHING.
IT'S REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO EXACTLY WHAT WE FACED WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THE DOLL ROAD PARK.
THE CITY OWNS A PARCEL THERE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE WITH BEING LEFT ON DEVELOPED, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE GIFTED WITH YET ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE THAT, ANOTHER AREA OF ON DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND WHAT THE FUTURE PROPOSED USE OF THAT MIGHT BE AND HOW WE MIGHT HAVE A WALKING OR BIKING TRAIL THROUGH THERE.
BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE DO THAT IF WE BLANKET APPROVE THIS, AND THEN WE JUST MOVE AHEAD WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE DOLL ROAD PARK.
AND I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE TALL ROAD PARK RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD ASK IF WE STEP BACK HERE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT UNDEVELOPED AREA AND STILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO ASSIST IN SOME TYPE OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND RUSTIC WARDS.
YES, I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK, UH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WHAT YOU CALL GREEN SPACE AND HUBERT,
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AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE A NEED TO DEVELOP THIS GREEN SPACE TO DO, TO INSISTS THAT WE PUT CONNECTIVITY THERE FROM WHAT HAS BEEN SAID WHEN WE DID THE DIAL ROAD EXERCISE, UH, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USING THAT PATH FOR BICYCLES OR WHATEVER.UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ANYONE IS LOOKING FOR DON EXACTLY AND CONNECTIVITY.
WHY, WHY DO WE FEEL OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING THERE OTHER THAN TO LEAVE IT AS GREENSPACE I ONLY NOTED THAT ON THE PREVIOUS, UM, PLAN PUT UP BY JOSH KING, UM, WITH THE PARKS, HE NOTED THAT SOME FUTURE CONNECTIVITY OF THAT PARCEL, UH, FURTHER EAST WOULD, UH, UH, BE BIKING, HIKING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS BRIAN JUST MENTIONED.
SO IF THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT SOME POINT, THEN WE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
NOW, LIKE I SAID, AFTER HAVING JUST SAT THROUGH WHAT WE DID WITH DOLL ROAD, I DON'T SEE, UM, A LOT OF SENSE AND NOT DISCUSSING THAT.
OH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME KIND OF A CONNECTOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD HOLD UP THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, IF, IF, UH, IF JOSH COMES UP WITH A PLAN, THE RESOURCE THAT THE LAND IS THERE, WE COULD DO LIKE A CONNECTIVITY.
IF THAT LAND IS OURS, WE COULD DO IT AT ANY TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE BIKE PARK, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS COME UP WITH A PLAN, BUT I JUST, I GUESS I HAVE A PROBLEM HOLDING UP THIS DEVELOPMENT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS, THIS STRIP OF LAND.
WELL, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE, YOU CAN SORT OF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE DEVELOPER'S NOT OVERLY CONCERNED WITH THAT CONNECTION TO SANDAL VIEW THAT DOESN'T, UH, MAKE OR BREAK THE PROJECT, CORRECT? YEAH, NO, I MEAN, AGAIN, I WILL DO IT.
WHAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE IN REGARDS TO THE CONNECTION THERE TO THE NORTHEAST, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE NOT TO HAVE IT ACTUALLY, WE DON'T NEED IT NECESSARILY FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, FOR CONNECTIVITY BACK INTO THAT AS WELL, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, COUNCIL DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT THE CONNECTION.
I MEAN, WE COULD STILL DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THAT SPACE WHERE THE ROAD IS NOW, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE ACCESS FOR A FUTURE PATH THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT EVEN IF THE ROAD ISN'T BUILT, THAT YOU KEEP THAT SIX 50 FOOT OR 60 FOOT RIGHT.
OF WAY, UM, THAT BECOMES THE GREEN SPACE SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS BACK TO THERE, OR SOMETHING CHANGES 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT.
OF WAY BETWEEN THE LOTS TO BUILD A ROAD, IF SOMETHING DRASTIC CHANGES IN COUNCIL'S OPINION DOWN THE ROAD.
SO EITHER WAY WE COULD MAKE SURE THE RIGHT OF WAYS THERE AND MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONNECTION, OUR POTENTIAL THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT AS AN OPTION IF IT WOULDN'T BE NEEDED LATER.
I KNOW, I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S PERFECT RIGHT THERE THAT DOESN'T HOLD UP THE PROJECT.
WE KIND OF DELETE THAT CONNECTION.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, UH, HAVING THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT OTHER GREEN SPACE THAT WE COULD DO SOME WITHIN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GETS MOVING AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT ALL WOULD BE GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO, HE'S LOOKING TO GET GOING.
SO, UM, SO DON HAD ASKED HER TO HOLD UP.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS WITHOUT PULLING GUYS FROM AN OBJECTION? OR CAN YOU TELL MR. WEBB, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME YOUR PLAN AGAIN? ONE MORE TIME.
CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE PLAN THEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID ONE MORE TIME.
SO YOU WERE MOVING YOUR OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD THEN.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
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ITEM THREE[ CAP 5 Development, LLC - Development Agreement]
IN WHICH IS THE CAP FIVE DEVELOPMENT LLC.THIS IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.
THIS IS THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER THAT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE JUST SPOKE OF, UH, DEVELOP, UH, EXCUSE ME, CAP FIVE IS THE DEVELOPMENT ARM OF THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND SO THEY WILL EFFECTIVELY BE TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP FROM ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THERE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS NOTED IN THE COUNCIL DOCUMENTS, UH, THIS PROJECT CONTAINS THE ASSESSMENTS NECESSARY FOR, UH, COVERING THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE WEST CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS 1.3, $5 MILLION.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A PRODUCT NOT APPROXIMATELY IT INCLUDES $375,000 FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
SO TO CREATE THAT PUBLIC PARK, AS WELL AS THOSE TRAILS THAT WERE REFERENCED EARLIER, AND THEN, UH, AS FINAL AS A FINAL DEMONSTRATION OF THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, UH, THEY HAVE ALSO AGREED TO ALLOW THE CITY TO ASSESS THE ACTUAL EXPENSE OF A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE, UH, ON THE SITE DURING THE 15 YEARS IN WHICH THE ABATEMENT WOULD BE IN EFFECT.
SO WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, MOVE THIS ON TO, UH, MONDAY AND, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE IT AT THAT TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ ZC 21-42 - Parveen Wadhwa - 6025 Taylorsville Road - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
WHICH IS, IS THERE ANY CASE 21 DASH 42 FOR PARKING IN WADHWA AT 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD FOR REZONING, A BASE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HOPE MY PRONUNCIATION WAS OKAY.UH, THE APPLICANT PART OF BEING WILD WAS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE 1.46 ACRE PARCEL AT THE CORNER OF MOUNTAIN HOODIE.
TAYLORSVILLE ADDRESS 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE SITE CURRENTLY HAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON IT.
THIS PROPOSAL IS TO RAISE THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 7,200 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE PROPOSAL ALSO REQUESTS THE PROPERTY TO BE RE REZONED AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL FOR THE USE OF A CONVENIENCE STORE IN LAUNDROMAT, WHICH WOULD BE A COMPLIMENTARY USE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
WATER AND SANITARY WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SYSTEMS. UH, THE WATER IS LOCATED ALONG THE MOUNT HOOD.
UH, JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE LOT IN THE SANITARY IS LOCATED IN THE ONE EASTERN BOUNDARY STORMWATER WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH A UNDERGROUND SYSTEM, UH, UNDERGROUND MANAGEMENT UNIT, UH, WHICH ALL CONFORM TO THE CITY DRAIN REGULATIONS.
UH, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED BY CHOICE ONE, UH, AND REVIEWED BY MR. PAUL KOSKI BEFORE HIS DEPARTURE AND NO MAJOR ROADWAY CHANGES WERE RECOMMENDED.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 100% MASONRY, UH, WITH A SLOPED ROOF, UH, A LANDSCAPING BUFFER.
AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE.
I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT A LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS PROPOSED ON ALL SIDES, UH, OF THE FACILITY, UH, ALL LIGHTING PROPOSED, UH, WE'LL FOLLOW.
UH, THE CITY CODE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND THIS UNANIMOUSLY, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY AND STAFF WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER WAIVING THE SECOND READING AND MOVING THIS TO MONDAY, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, UH, FOR QUESTION AND COMMENT, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THOSE AT LISA GLENN.
I'LL SAY NORMALLY I DON'T GET EXCITED ABOUT CONVENIENCE STORES LAUNDROMATS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION TO SERVE THAT COMMUNITY.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME.
AND I APPLAUD YOU, SIR, FOR 100% MACE RECONSTRUCTION.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO LOOK SUPER NICE.
SO WHICH WE GET SOME BROTHER, CAN WE GET A SOURCE ON BOARD WITH THAT? YES.
EVERYBODY'S POINTING TO RICHARD.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I'VE GOTTEN A, UM, UH, NO PROBLEMS MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY WAIVING THE SECOND HEARING BASED ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MA'AM CAN YOU TELL ME THE APPROXIMATE HOURS OF THIS LOCATION WOULD BE OPEN? YEAH.
JUST IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE PONY AND WE APPRECIATE IT, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU.
IT WILL BE OPEN FROM A MORNING, SEVEN TO 11, 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM.
EVERYBODY NEEDS SOMETHING FROM THE CONVENIENT? YES.
AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL YOU HAVE? UH, I DID NOT COUNT IT, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S ACCORDING TO THE COURT, WHAT CITY REQUIRED.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT PUTTING THAT IN THE REPORT.
REPORTING APPEARS TO BE 31 SPACES, ESPECIALLY DIDN'T MEET THE,
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IT DID.I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT PUTTING THAT IN.
SO THERE'D BE LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST SIDE AND IN THE BACK FOR THE APARTMENTS.
CAN YOU GO, CAN YOU GO OVER THAT WITH ME? SO THE SQUIGGLY LINE HERE REPRESENTS THE LANDSCAPE BARRIER ALONG THE NORTH, EAST, ALONG THE WEST ENTRANCE THERE, AND THEN OUT FROM, AND MR. MCCALSKY APPROVED IT, GOING OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE, UH, SHERIFF HAMBURGER IN THERE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS BORING TRAFFIC ONTO THAT TAYLORSVILLE BECAUSE MOUNT HOOD IS SUCH A MAJOR INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE.
IF THEY WERE TO GO IN AND OUT THE BACK, THEY MAKE A RIGHT TURN ONTO MOUNT HOOD AND THEN ENTER INTO THE BACK.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS A TRAFFIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR JASON? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR PUBLIC HEARING ALONG WITH WAIVING THE SECOND READING BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEY'LL COME BACK TO US WITH THE DAVID TAYLOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
THE DETAILED PLAN WOULD ONLY BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION YET.
[ ZC 21-43 - Larkspur - 7650 Waynetowne Boulevard - Major Change/Basic and Detailed Development Plans]
THREE P, WHICH IS AN IN CASE 21 DASH 43, LARKSPUR FOR 76 50 WING TOWN BOULEVARD.THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE APPLICANT LARKSPUR, UH, AGAIN, REQUESTING THE MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED PLAN, UH, IN AN ALREADY EXISTING PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED APPROVAL ON A DETAILED PLAN, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED FOR THE DEMOLITION OF MOVIE THEATER AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE NEW STORAGE FACILITIES, BUILDINGS.
UH, THAT APPROVAL HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THIS PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH IS ONE LARGE BUILDING THAT WOULD THEN, UH, IN CASE OF THE STORAGE UNITS INSIDE THE BUILDING IS MADE OF PRE-ENGINEERED METAL, EFS GLASS, AND A BRICK.
UH, THE BUILDING FACE ALONG WAYNE TOWN, UM, UH, WAS RECOMMENDED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE FULLY MASONRY, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WINDOW WALLS THAT YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT, UH, ALSO RECOMMENDED, UH, ON THE NORTH FACE WAS MASONRY.
SO THAT WOULD BE FACING THE SUBBIES, UH, SHOPPING CENTER WITH JEANETTE POP DANCE STUDIO, UH, UP TO A WATER TABLE.
SO APPROXIMATELY 36 INCHES OR SO OF MASONRY THERE AS WELL, A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, UH, ALSO MASONRY WITH GATES IN THE FRONT, THE PROPOSAL.
AND I WILL GO BACK CALLS FOR ONE CURB CUT, UH, OFF OF WAYNE TOWN.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO, UH, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE FILLED IN AND THE NEW CUT WOULD BE MADE IN A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION.
UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE OFFICE IS ONE SPACE FOR 300 FEET.
UH, THAT'S FOUR SPACES, FOUR SPACES ARE SHOWN WITH ONE OF THOSE BEING ACCESSIBLE.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER IN THE OFFICE.
UH, PORTION OF THIS WOULD ALSO CONNECT TO THE, TO THE SANITARY SEWER, UH, DRAINAGE WILL BE COLLECTED THROUGH THE CATCH BASINS IN STORM SEWER ROUTING THE FLOW TO THE EXISTING DETENTION BASIN ON SITE IN THAT BASIN IS BEING UPGRADED TO MEET THE CURRENT WATER, WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
UH, LIGHTING IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS AND COMPLIES WITH ALL CITY CODES.
UH, THERE WAS A GROUND SIGN SHOWN, UH, THAT WILL, UH, HAVE TO BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND 75 FEET IN TOTAL, UH, AREA.
AND THOSE BASE MATERIALS WERE RECOMMENDED TO MATCH THE BUILDING FRONTS.
THE MASONRY ON THE BUILDINGS, UH, LANDSCAPING IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGHOUT, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, TO INCLUDE STREET, UH, STREET TREES AND BUFFERING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALL THAT LANDSCAPING, UH, COMPLIES WITH CITY CODE AS WELL.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PLAN UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, WAIVING THE SECOND READING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, UH, AND MOVING THIS FORWARD, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, FOR QUESTION AND COMMENT AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF ONE LARGER STRUCTURE.
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JUMP BACK IN JUST FOR ONE SECOND.UM, ON THE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR BUILDINGS THAT IS FUTURE EXPANSION, NOT PART OF THIS, JUST FOR CLARITY.
I THINK I MIGHT'VE MISSED PART OF WHAT YOU'D SAID.
I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT THE PLANES AND THE DRAWINGS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MASONRY PIECE, SO WHERE IS IT BECAUSE HAVE THESE DRAWINGS NOT BEEN UPDATED THERE, YOU SEE A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY, WAS THAT THE ISSUE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE DO.
BECAUSE ALL I'M SEEING NOW IS JUST KIND OF AT THE WATER TABLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, SO YEAH, YOU GOT MASONRY.
SO THIS IS DAVID BERNSTEIN FOR LARKSBURG.
SO DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE PROVIDED UPDATED DRAWINGS, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT IN THE PACKET.
AND I BROUGHT IN THE FRONT, YOU SEE, WE BASICALLY ENHANCED WHAT WE BELIEVE WE ENHANCED FROM LAST YEAR.
UH, THE PLAN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOW PROVIDING A DRIVE-THROUGH ACCESS AND DRIVE IN ACCESS.
AND RATHER THAN DOING A CONVENTIONAL TRADITIONAL STORAGE PROJECT, WE REEVALUATE AND RE ENVISIONED WHAT WE WANTED TO DO HERE AND DO A MODERN, FULLY MODERN CLIMATE CONTROL PROJECT, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WE DON'T THINK YOU WERE HEIGHTS REALLY HAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S FULL DRIVE AND ACCESS.
SO ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, PEOPLE ARE UNLOADING IN THE COLD OR OUTSIDE THAT THEY'RE FULLY COVERED.
AND WE FOUND THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT MOST CITIES AND MAJOR MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THIS, HAVE THIS PRODUCT.
SO WE RE-IMAGINED THIS PROJECT OVER THE LAST YEAR TO CREATE SOMETHING, SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE CLUMSY.
I DIDN'T BRING THE BOARD WITH ME, BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'VE ADDED HERE UNLIKE LAST YEAR, WHETHER YOU APPROVED THAT, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONAL OLD STORAGE BUILDINGS, I CAN BRING THIS, SORRY, I'LL JUST HOLD THIS UP.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS LAST YEAR WAS THE TRADITIONAL OLD KIND OF SEVENTIES STYLE.
I DON'T MEAN TO BESMIRCH YOU HOME, BUT YOU ALL KIND OF, AND HERE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE DONE WRITTEN BRAIDS OF POWER, CREATED A POWER PIT FOR THE MAIN DRIVE-THROUGH WE'VE ADDED GLASS.
SO IT GIVES IT WHAT WE THINK IS A MORE RETAIL FEELS OPPOSED TO THE OLDER KIND OF STORAGE VISION THAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND THROUGHOUT THE FRONT, WHICH IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I GUESS IT DIDN'T APOLOGIZE.
IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THOSE, THIS VERSION OF THE DRAWINGS IS, AND I BROUGHT SOME MATERIALS WITH ME AS WELL IS WE'RE USING SOME OF THE LIKE, WHICH IS A MODERN KIND OF WOOD STRUCTURE NEXT TO THE GLASS AND A TEXTURED FINISH.
SO, AND WHERE THERE ISN'T A BRICK ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THE ENTIRE FRONT JUST LIKE LAST YEAR'S APPROVAL IS A, YOU KNOW, MASONRY, UH, FINISHED CORE GLASS FINISH AND, OR INSECT BRICK.
AND I CAN EVEN SHOW YOU, I BROUGHT SOME, UH, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? SO THESE ARE THE MATERIALS I CAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE FORMAL, SORRY.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE MATERIALS OF WHAT'S CALLED THE , WHICH IS SORT OF A NICE WOOD FINISH, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE GLASS ON THE MAIN END OF THE MAIN FRONT ELEVATION.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS GIVES IT AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE PETER AND THEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT A BOARD REAL LIFE SIZE RENDERING.
I THINK THIS IS A, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY IMPRESSED, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, WHICH COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, WHEN YOU KNOW, WHICH JUST HAD THIS OLD STORY FOR US, I THINK THIS IS A MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS SURPRISED AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE EVALUATED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR THAT REALLY THINK THAT YOU WERE HEIGHTS IS READY FOR THIS.
AND KEN, THE GROWTH IN THE CITY CAN SUPPORT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, JUST SO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY WORK.
WE'VE ACTUALLY UPGRADED AND ENHANCED THE PROJECT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
I THINK LAST YEAR WE WERE ASKED HOW MUCH MONEY WE WERE SPENDING ON THE FLUSH AND WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS PLUS MORE TO ENHANCE AND VOTING MORE CAPITAL, UM, IN THE HEBREW HEIGHTS PROJECT.
I SHOULD'VE BROUGHT THESE IN THE SMALLER GOOD AND EASY.
SO, SO WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND WELL, UH, WELL THAT SORT OF EXCESS LAND, THAT WORK WHERE YOU WANT TO OBVIOUSLY GET THIS ONE DONE FIRST, IT'S A PRETTY INTENSIVE PROJECT.
I WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY DEVELOPER THAT'S COME BEFORE YOU IN THE LAST YEAR, GIVEN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE CHALLENGES OF LAST YEAR, IT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE GETTING THIS FAR BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE APPROVED LAST YEAR, WE WENT BACK AND THE PRICES STARTED MOVING.
THAT'S PART OF WHY WE WOULD BE ENVISIONED THIS AND RE-IMAGINED THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A BANK LINED UP AND WE'VE GOT THE CAR.
EVERYTHING IS SORT OF AFTER A YEAR, READY TO GO.
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ABOUT IT.SO HOPEFULLY YOU ARE WELL, WE'RE READY.
I MEAN, THIS UTILITIES BUILDINGS TAKE BETWEEN SIX AND NINE MONTHS.
SO WE'D LOVE TO START BY THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE FOR US AS IT IS FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PRICES OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, IF I HAD TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T HOLD THEIR PRICES FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS NOW.
AND, UM, TO BE A DEVELOPER IS, UH, IS A REAL CHALLENGE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH, WELL, I SAID TO HIM, YOU JUST FROM YOU I'LL BE THE FIRST SUMMIT.
I WAS NOT THAT EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF MORE STORAGE UNITS ON WINNING TUMBLE, JUST BECAUSE THAT IS AN AREA THAT WE, I THINK ALL OF US SAW OR HAD AN IDEA OF, UH, OF SOME NICE COMMERCIAL GROWTH DOWN THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDITION OF THE NEW STORE, BIG SANDY'S DOWN THERE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF COMING IN.
UM, I WASN'T THAT EXCITED, BUT THERE'S ALL LIKE ALONE THAT YOUR ENTHUSIASM IS CONTAGIOUS.
HE'S BEEN HERE FOR THREE HOURS.
CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK? SO THE NEW BUILDINGS OR GO TO THE OUTSIDE OF IT? CAN YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE ONE THAT ONE BIG BUILDING THAT'S EXCESS LAND.
SO THE, TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE, JUST IGNORE THAT THAT'S EXCESS LAND.
THAT IS NOT, THAT'S GOING TO BE BACK UP AGAINST THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER THAT THE FUTURE, YES, THIS WOULD BE MOVING TO THE NORTH DIRECTLY.
THIS IS WHAT WE HEAR IS RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN ARE YOU KNOCKING DOWN THE OLD MOVIE THEATER? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS SOON AS YOU TELL US, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO A DYNAMITE.
WHAT I MEAN, W W WE HAVE TO APPLY BUILDING PERMITS OBVIOUSLY AFTER THIS PHASE, BUT MAYBE WHERE WE WOULD HOPE BY BY MARCH.
I MEAN, WE'RE READY IF IT'S BEEN A YEAR ALREADY AND WE'RE WE'RE ITCHING.
SO THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, YOU GOTTA TRY TO KEEP AS MANY AS YOU CAN ALONG THE PERIMETER.
WELL, I THINK THAT A LOT OF IT CALLS FOR NEW LANDSCAPE.
I MEAN, SO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED WITH COVID IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I, YOU KNOW, IF I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE MY CIVIL ENGINEERS AND HERE TONIGHT, BUT WHATEVER IS REQUIRED IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE ADDING QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING, AS YOU CAN SEE ON WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, ON, ON WAYNE TOWN, ON THE FRONTAGE.
SO I REALLY THINK IT WILL BE A VERY STYLISTIC PRESENTATION FOR LIKE, CAUSE THEY SAID X THAT AREA ACROSS THE STREET, WE GOT THE PARKING THAT ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THE CITY COULD PARK IN.
AND THEN, UM, SO FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE ON THAT SIDE, I THINK THE AESTHETICS IS SOMETHING TRULY IMPORTANT TO, TO A MODEL.
SO AGAIN, I'VE HEARD ATTRITION, YOU GOTTA HAVE YOUR REVISION.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF JUMP ON TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
UH, I ALSO, WHEN I FIRST HEARD STORAGE, I WAS LIKE, OH GOSH.
AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK MORE RETAIL, LOOKING LIKE A NICER PRODUCT.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY BUILDING MORE.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD CONSIDER MAKING THOSE SOME, SOME MORE OUTLETS FOR, UH, MAYBE OTHER COMMERCIAL OR WHICH IS NOT A CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR.
SO LAST YEAR'S APPROVAL ENVISIONED ABOUT 62,000 SQUARE FEET OF NET STORAGE.
THIS PLANT HAS ROUGHLY THE SAY 65, WHICH IS ONE BIGGER BUILDING EFFECTIVELY.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE DENSITY, BUT WOULD, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T LOOK TO, I THINK THAT'S AS MUCH THAT AREA CAN SUPPORT IN MY VIEW, AT LEAST.
SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO IT AND ADJACENT TO IT.
AND, AND UH, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE'VE DONE A STORY BUILDING LIKE THIS, OR WE, YOU KNOW, WHICH PEOPLE WERE QUITE IMPRESSED WITH AT THE END.
AND WE HAD DEAD AREAS OF RETAIL WHERE AN AEW RESTAURANT, WHEN WE DID OUR SMOOTHIE KING MOVED IN, THAT WAS NOT THERE.
AND PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT FOLLOW THE STORAGE.
BUT I THINK IF YOU DO IT IN A NICE MODERN 2020 WAY, WHO DOES THAT, YOU'RE FLOATED FOR CHECKING ON YOURSELF IN THE STORAGE ROOM.
HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT, MAN.
WE HAVE HAD A MULTITUDE OF PHONE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS WORK PRODUCT FINALLY COME FORWARD.
NO ONE GETS MORE FRUSTRATED THAN ME AS A DEVELOPER AND TAKES THEIR HEAD ON TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING TO BRING TO LIFE.
SO I'M HOPEFUL, HOPEFUL IF YOU APPROVE, IF YOU APPROVE IT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO ATTACK.
I THINK THE BEST PART ABOUT IT IS, IS, IS NOT INTERFERING WITH STAFF WHEN SCOTT WAS HERE.
AND EVEN PRIOR TO THAT IS THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD WHEN THIS IS COMING UP, YOU, YOU, YOU WERE TO TAKE MY PHONE CALL, LISTEN TO THEM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, HEARING YOUR CONCERNS ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THAT TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH
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MR. FOSTER, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.AND EVEN DEPENDING ON, WHAT'S GOING TO COME UP WITH PHASE TWO AND, UH, WHAT THE, UH, BETWEEN THE CITY AND YOURSELF IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, WORK TOGETHER ON, I THINK IS GREAT.
UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING IN SOME, UH, SHOW AND TELL ITEMS THAT I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE BOARD.
WELL, AT THIS TIME I MOVED TO A MOVE OF THIS SPORT ON MONDAY, UM, AND, UH, AND WAY THE SECOND READING ON THIS, UH, PROJECT BASED ON PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT'D BE GREAT.
[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
UP IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE BRAND PIKER FOUNDATION PROJECT, RIGHT? UH, YES.THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK UPDATES FOR CITY COUNCIL REGARDING WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER, UM, IN THE AREA OF MARION MEADOWS.
UH, THE LIBRARY DID REACH OUT, UM, UH, LAST WEEK AND ASKED FOR US TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE A FINALIZATION OF THE SALE BEFORE YEAR END.
UH, IT APPEARS THAT THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO BID CONSTRUCTION OF THE LIBRARY, UH, SOMETIME IN CORE FIRST QUARTER 2022, BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, WE, UM, SO WE'RE WORKING, UH, JERRY AND I ARE WORKING TO MEET BE CITY ATTORNEY AND I ARE WORKING TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST.
SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT, UH, ON THE 16TH OF DECEMBER, UM, MR. FOSTER AND I ARE MEETING WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM LWCC TO DISCUSS THE SCOPE BUDGET AND SCHEDULING OF THE CR DATE AND FACADE WORK.
UH, SO THAT, UH, IS ALSO FORTHCOMING.
UH, YOU SHOULD SEE SOME ACTIVITY ON THE OUTSIDE OF CR DATE IN THE NORTH END OF CR DAYTON.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY INTERNALLY TO REMOVE MATERIALS AND PREPARATION FOR DEMOLITION, UH, EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE ARRIVING THIS WEEK WITH, UH, THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE COMING DOWN AND STARTING NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN, UH, WE DID GET AN UPDATE REGARDING THE FURNITURE STORE THAT DEMOLITION WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO START THIS WEEK.
UH, BUT THEIR PERMIT, UH, WAS DELAYED.
THEIR DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS DELAYED COMING OUT OF THE COUNTY.
SO THEY'RE FINISHING UP ANOTHER JOB AND THEY'LL BE ONSITE, UH, THE WEEK OF THE 20TH TO BEGIN DEMOLITION OVER THERE.
SO, UH, WE CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, IN THOSE CAPACITIES AND OTHERS TO BRING THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO US, UH, FRUITION.
AND WE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH WHATEVER'S HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO, UM, THE CONTRACT OF THE SALE FOR THE LIBRARY IS THAT, DOES IT JUST AN UPDATE OR DO WE HAVE LEGISLATION FOR PULLING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSING AFTER THAT.
SO WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE SET WITH THIS, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE AGREEMENT THERE ARE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ARE READY FOR THE SALE.
SO THIS WOULD JUST BE THE EXECUTION OF CONDITIONS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
SO IT SHOULD NOT REQUIRE, OKAY.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE PRIVACY.
MOVING FORWARD, MENTALLY TRAVEL BACK IN TIME FOR THAT, RIGHT.
[ Board and Commission Appointments * Board of Zoning Appeals - Reappointment]
NEXT IS THREE R, WHICH IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.I WILL HAND THIS OVER TO TONY.
I HAVE A FEW, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS TO CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THIS EVENING.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
UM, HER CURRENT TERM IS EXPIRING AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REAPPOINT TO A NEW TERM, UH, EXPIRING JANUARY 31ST, 2027.
WE HAVE CONDUCTED THE UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK ON MS. NEWBIE AND, UH, READY FOR ACTION ON MONDAY.
ANY OBJECTION TO, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT TO GET THROUGH ALL THESE? AND THAT'S FINE.
UH, THE NEXT IS A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR CHERYL THOMAS FOR A TERM ENDING JANUARY 31ST, 2027, MRS. THOMAS WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED TO AN UNEXPIRED TERM.
SO THIS WOULD BE HER FIRST FULL TERM ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AN UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK WAS ALSO COMPLETED ON HER.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ACT ON THIS REAPPOINTMENT ON MONDAY AS WELL.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN THIS CATEGORY, I HAVE, UH, THE RECOMMENDED REAPPOINTMENTS OF DIANA STECK AND MONICA RESNICK TO THE TAX REVIEW BOARD TO A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.
UH, MS. STACK HAS COMPLETED HER UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, UH, WITH MS RASIC AND, UH, WOULD MOVE THAT, ASKED TO MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD AS WELL, UNLESS WE DON'T GET IT COMPLETED BY MONDAY, THEN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THAT ONE UNTIL JANUARY.
UM, BUT, UH, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO PUT THESE ON THE AGENDA FOR MOTIONS FOR REAPPOINTMENTS, UM, FOR ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS ON MONDAY.
ANY OBJECTION TO MS. NEWBY, MS. THOMAS, MS. AND MS. REDDICK FOR MONDAY'S MEETING FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
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SO THOSE BOARDS, OKAY.[ 2022 First Suburbs Consortium/MVRPC Appointments]
UP IS ITEM THREE S WHICH IS THE 2022 FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM AND IN THE RPC APPOINTMENT.SO EACH YEAR COUNCIL GETS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO THESE TWO BODIES, UH, TO HAVE CITY REPRESENTATIVES, UH, ON THESE BODIES.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE FIRST SUBURBS CONSORTIUM AND, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL GETS TO A 0.2 REPRESENTATIVES AND ONE ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE TO THIS BODY.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THESE APPOINTMENTS TO BE IDENTIFIED SO THAT, UH, STARTING IN JANUARY, THE PEOPLE WILL BE IN PLACE AND WE'VE LET THEM KNOW.
UM, THIS IS TYPICALLY DONE BY EMOTIONS.
SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING, UH, THESE OR PEOPLE HAVE AN INTEREST IN, UH, SERVING IN THESE CAPACITIES FOR FIRST SUBURBS, THEN THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DISCUSS THOSE AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPOINTMENT.
SO I THINK, UM, RICH IS RICHARD IS ON, AND THEN YOU'RE ON THE ALTERNATE .
SO YOU WERE THE MAIN CHANGES THAT, ARE YOU GUYS WANTING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT, OR DO YOU WANT MR. MAYOR? UM, UH, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO SOME ACTIVITIES THAT, UH, I'M GOING TO BE, UH, TAKEN UPON WITH NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, WHICH, UH, A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE COMING OUT ON MONDAY, ALONG WITH A PRESS RELEASE.
UM, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, UM, WITH THE, UM, UH, FIRST-YEAR SUBURBS.
I CAN HAVE MY HOURS CHANGED AT WORK.
I CAN'T MAKE THE FIVE 30 MEETING.
I THINK AS VOLUNTEERS, GLENN, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED OR, UH, AT THIS TIME, SO, UH, ANYONE ELSE MAY I, I DO HATE TO, UH, THROW HER UNDER THE BUS.
UM, UH, AS THESE MEETINGS YOU STARTED IN JANUARY OF, UH, UM, OF NEXT YEAR, UM, I WOULD ASK SINCE SHE'S IN THE AUDIENCE OF COUNCILMAN ELECT, UH, KITCHEN, UH, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THOSE COMMITTEES.
I HAVE MADE SURE THAT ALL OKAY.
IT'S TYPICALLY ONE WEDNESDAY A MONTH FROM LIKE FIVE 30 TO SEVEN.
ANYONE ELSE WANT OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE THE CITY MANAGER TO ? CAN WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOMEONE, UH, IF WE, IF THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON INTERESTED, WE CAN ALWAYS APPOINT NOW WITH FIRST FIRST-YEAR SUBURBS, JUST FOR THOSE THAT IS OPEN ACTUALLY TO THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY CAN GO.
IT'S JUST, WHO IS THE VOTING MEMBER FOR THAT CITY WHEN THERE A COURTROOM, SINCE IT IS A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT.
SO WE'LL THIS ONE, WE'LL HAVE THE EMOTION TO A POINT IN YOU.
NO ONE ELSE FOR THE SECOND OR THE ALTERNATE.
AND I WILL STAY IF WE DO NEED IT FOR RE FOR PURPOSES FOR, FOR JACK AND, AND, UH, AND THE CITY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING THE, THE, THE ALTERNATE, UH, BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T COMMIT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MY TIME THERE WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO BE TAKEN UPON NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE PUT YOU DOWN AS THE ALTERNATE.
SO IF ANYONE CHANGES THEIR MIND AND WOULD LIKE BE THE SECOND REPRESENTATIVE, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UH, WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT VACANT TILL SOMEONE IS INTERESTED.
THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE MVR PC, UM, TO THE, UH, THE BOARD OF M VR PC.
UH, WE HAVE ONE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE TO THAT AND ONE ALTERNATE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ALSO THE MDR PC TECH ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE MORE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.
TYPICALLY THE CITY ENGINEER HAS BEEN THAT REPRESENTATIVE.
SCOTT WAS THE OLD, UH, ALTERNATE REPRESENTATIVE TO THE TECH ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO NANCY IS THE CURRENT PERSON.
SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE APPOINTMENTS, I'M GOING TO SAY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY OR OKAY, DAWN.
AND THEN IS THERE SOMEONE ON STAFF RYAN WE CAN CONSIDER FOR THE ALTERNATE, UH, THE TECH COMMITTEE? UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROBABLY EITHER, I DON'T WANT TO THROW HER UNDER THE BUS AND SHE'S NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF POOR HAND-ON.
SO, UM, YOU CAN LIST ME, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF WANT, YOU CAN
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PUT ME DOWN AS THE ALTERNATE THERE ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE.AND THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT ITEM.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, REGARDING THE FIRST YEAR OF SUBURBS AND MCRPC OKAY.
[ Ward Redistricting]
UP IS ITEM THREE T, WHICH IS A WARD REDISTRICTING.WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS.
UM, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, UM, WE HAVE A FINAL MAP, WHICH I DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL, UM, AS REQUESTED, I ALSO POST THAT ON THE CITY'S, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS AND THE CITY WEBSITE, UM, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL FIND A COPY OF THAT FINAL MAP.
UM, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE SUGGESTED MODIFICATION THAT I MADE AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS TO, UH, KEEP IT 85, UH, COUNTY POPULATION PARCEL.
IT WAS GOING TO BE MOVED TO WARD FIVE AND JUST LEAVE IT AS IT WAS, BECAUSE IT BROUGHT THE TOTALS MORE, THE POPULATION TOTAL IS MORE EQUAL.
UM, ALSO IN THE PACKET, YOU WILL SEE AN ORDINANCE, UM, THAT EXISTS THAT JERRY SPENT A LOT OF WORK ON, UM, DRAW DRAWING UP THESE NEW WARD BOUNDARIES AND MEETS AND BOUNDS, AND, UM, WHICH IS BASICALLY BY A SURVEYOR'S DIRECTIONS TO DESCRIBE HOW THE WORK BOUNDARIES NOW EXISTS.
UM, SO I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WORD MAP.
I WILL, UH, BRING YOUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE FACT THAT, UM, THIS DOES NEED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, TO BE IN PLACE PER THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND ADDITION, UM, BOTH OF THE COUNTY BOARDS OF ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH ME AND THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THIS INFORMATION SO THEY CAN START THEIR PLANNING IN TERMS OF PRECINCT PLANNING IN SUCH, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION AND THE PRIMARY NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO, UM, THERE, THE ORDINANCE IS IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THAT WOULD SPELL OUT ALL OF THESE CHANGES AS DISCUSSED.
AND, UM, AS IT IS AN ORDINANCE, WE WOULD ASK FOR, UH, THE WAVING OF THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS EFFECT, IT WOULD BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AND ALSO TO ADOPT IT AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, UH, TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE DATE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ON TO MONDAY WAVING THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTING AS AN EMERGENCY.
THANK YOU, MR. MCDONALD, FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THAT AS WELL.
[ Liquor Permits - Speedway, LLC - Various Locations * Liquor Permit #84189941350 - Speedway, LLC - 6000 Brandt Pike * Liquor Permit #84189941410 - Speedway, LLC - 6385 Chambersburg Road * Liquor Permit #84189941445 - Speedway, LLC - 6498 Old Troy Pike * Liquor Permit #84189941510 - Speedway, LLC - 8134 Old Troy Pike]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, YOU WHICH ARE LIQUOR PERMITS FOR SPEEDWAY LLC AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, DEALS WITH, FOR EXISTING LIQUOR PERMITS, ALL THAT SPEEDWAY LOCATIONS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, ONE ON BRAND PIKE, ONE A CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, AND THE TWO ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A TRANSFER OF STOCK OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS A PROCESS THAT MIRRORS KIND OF WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR APPROVAL LIQUOR PERMITS.
AND SO THEY SEND US TO THIS WHEN WE HAVE TO, UH, DO A STOCK TRANSFER.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO REGISTER WITH A HIGHER DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL, BUT WE'RE ASKED TO PRESENT ANY OBJECTIONS WE HAVE TO THAT BEING DONE.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS, AND THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR CHANGE OF STOCK OWNERSHIP AND MEMBERSHIP INTERESTS.
SO WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, I WOULD, UH, REQUEST PUTTING THIS AS A MOTION ON MONDAY'S AGENDA, UH, FOR THE CITY NOT TO OBJECT TO THESE, UH, THESE TREASURES AS REQUESTED.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE CONTINUATION OF LIQUOR PERMITS FOR SPEEDWAY.
[ Ordinance Review Commission Recommendations - City Code Amendments * Part One - Administrative Code]
NEXT IS, OOH, WE'RE BACK TO THE ORDINANCE REVIEW STUFF.THE FINAL ONE ITEM THREE V, OR JUST YOUR COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY CODE AMENDMENTS, PART ONE.
WELL, UM, WE CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU LIKE.
THIS IS THE FINAL, UM, SECTION, WHICH COVERS PART ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF THE CITY CODE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, ALL OF THE CHANGES WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
UM, I CAN REVIEW THEM, UM, OR NOT, DEPENDING ON COUNCIL'S WISH.
UH, THESE ALL HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED BY BOTH THE LAW DIRECTOR MYSELF AND BY THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO TRUST YOU GUYS.
SO, UH, THERE'S MOST OF IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP AND STUFF.
UH, ONE ITEM OF NOTE IS THE CITY FLAG WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY ADOPTED AND THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES.
SO IT CORRECTS THAT OVERSIGHT AND SOME OTHER MINOR THINGS.
UM, SO THE REQUEST WOULD BE, UH, IF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THIS TO HAVE THE FIRST READING
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ON MONDAY AND WAIVE THE SECOND READING, UH, SO THAT WE COULD GET THIS INCORPORATED WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES IN THE NEXT, UH, CITY CODE SUPPLEMENT THAT WILL, UH, END AT THE END OF 2021, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.[ Interim City Manager Appointment]
NEXT UP IS, I AM THREE W WHICH IS, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER APPOINTMENT.SO I GUESS, UH, I WOULD ASK MEAN THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT, UM, I THINK FOR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT APPOINTMENT, I KNOW WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
THERE IS A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TWO DIFFERENT FOR TUTORS OR REASONS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THIS REGULAR ITEM AS AN AGENDA ITEM PRIOR TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THAT AT THE APPOINTMENT, OBVIOUSLY ANY DECISIONS ARE MADE, WE WILL COME BACK OUT AND DISCUSS THAT, BUT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION HERE PRIOR TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE NEED, JERRY? NOPE.
FIVE MINUTES WHEN YOU FIND OUT AFTERWARDS.
SO, UH, TONY, YOU WANNA READ THE LEAD FOR THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL OKAY.
UH, SO IT'D BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST, UH, NUMBER ONE, TO DISCUSS OR CONSIDER, UH, THE EMPLOYMENT AND COMPENSATION ISSUES RELATED TO A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE.
UH, ITEM TWO WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER OHIO REVISED CODE ONE TO 1.2, TWO DISCUSS TRADE SECRETS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN LEASES FOR THE FORMER CR DATE AND PROPERTY, WHICH ARE CONFIDENTIAL AS TRADE SECRETS UNDER OUR ORC 1, 3, 3, 3 0.61.
SO DO WE NEED TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS OR THOSE CAN, CAN BOTH THOSE BE COMBINED INTO ONE WAY? IS THERE A MOTION MR. HILL? SO MOVED.
IS THERE A SECOND, MR. CAMPBELL? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FIRST? YES.
AS A PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET BY THIS COUNCIL, UH, AS SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION MAY INVOLVE OUR COUNCILMAN ELECT.
I WOULD INVITE HER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAD MENTIONED THAT TO HER PRIOR TO THE THANK YOU.
UM, WE ARE MOVING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND I GUESS, WILL THERE BE NO NEED FOR A REPORT AFTERWARDS? UH, IT'S REALLY APPARENT ON WHAT GUYS DECIDE.
WE HAVE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IS NOW 10:27 PM.
AND TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.