[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING THAT SAYS THEY SEE AT HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS NOVEMBER 16TH, 2021.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL HER MR. SHAW HERE? MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
MRS. BIRD, MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL, MR. WEBB, DEAR MAYOR GORE HERE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM TWO EIGHT ARE THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 10TH, 2021.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE INDUSTRY EVERYONE SORT OF CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS.
THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
ANYONE HAVE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, CORRECTIONS.
THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED AND NEXT UP AS I NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
[ City Manager Report]
AND WE WILL GET STARTED WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE, A WITH THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.BRIAN, HOW ARE YOU? THIS IS I'M GOOD, SIR.
UH, JUST A FEW QUICK ITEMS FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT IN LIGHT OF, UH, TONIGHT'S AGENDA SIZE.
UH, FIRST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT THIS SATURDAY AT ONE 30 OVER AT MINETA FIELD, UH, WE'LL BE HAVING OUR SOFT OPENING OF ALL THE NEW BIKE AMENITIES.
SO IF IT IS NOT ON YOUR CALENDAR, PLEASE PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
UH, SPEAKING OF SATURDAYS, THE LAST FARMER'S MARKET IS ALSO THIS SATURDAY, UH, AND THAT'LL BE AT THE BARN.
AND SO, UH, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE, UH, THE, UH, BIKE AMENITIES OPENING, BE SURE TO STOP BY THERE AND GET SOME SUGAR FOR THE KIDS, MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF ENERGY TO GET UP AND DOWN ALL OF THEIR, UH, ALL OF THEIR NEW TOYS, UM, AT THE BIKE PARK, UH, LEAF COLLECTION IS ONGOING AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE ONGOING, UM, UNTIL WE GET ALL THE LEADS COLLECTED OR UNTIL WEATHER PREVENTS US FROM DOING SO, SO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, EVERYONE IS AWARE, UH, THAT THAT IS GOING ON.
UH, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST LATER IN THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ONE OF THE CASES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE DDC DEVELOPMENT, UM, WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE CORRESPONDING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT HAS COME IN, UH, WE HAVE SEEN THE FINAL COPY.
AND SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GETTING THAT UNDER REVIEW AT THE MOMENT AND WE EXPECT THAT TO BE BEFORE COUNCIL HERE SHORTLY.
SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT, UH, THAT'S ALSO HERE AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR COUNSEL, SIR, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS REGARDING ANYTHING, UM, BRIAN SPOKE ABOUT? OKAY, NEXT
[ 2022 City Employee Health Insurance]
UP IS ITEM THREE, B, WHICH IS THE 2022 CITY EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE.UM, THIS IS ANNUAL REOCCURRING LEGISLATION BEFORE THIS BODY.
UH, WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR EXISTING, UH, HEALTH PROVIDER, WHICH IS ANTHEM BLUE, CROSS BLUE SHIELD.
WE ARE MAKING A TRANSITION TO, UH, THAT INSURANCE FOR OUR VISION AND DENTAL, UH, AND THAT IS AN EMPLOYEE, UH, THAT IS EMPLOYEE DIRECT COST.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY REDUCTION FOR THAT PLAN.
SO, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY NIGHT AND ADOPT AT THAT TIME SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN OPEN ENROLLMENT ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE COVERAGE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS COMING? OBJECTION TO MOVING THAT ON DISCUSSION.
AND NEXT IS, UH, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, THESE NEXT FEW ITEMS HERE FOR KATIE TO SEE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO I HAVE A THREE B, WHICH IS I'M SORRY, THREE,
[ City Staffing Levels/Table of Organization]
UH, C, WHICH IS THE CITY STAFFING LEVELS AND TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ANNUAL ONGOING LEGISLATION FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE MADE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THOSE CHANGES TO THE STAFFING LEVELS AND TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AS PART OF THE OCTOBER 5TH WORK SESSION.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU MOVE THIS LEGISLATION FORWARD TO MONDAY SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO STAFF OUR ORGANIZATION APPROPRIATELY AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE, OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THE STAFFING LEVELS? YES.
HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS PARAMEDICS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE? UM, ON THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION? UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED ON THE POLICE SIDE AND WE ARE FULLY STAFFED ON THE FIRE SIDE.
UM, WE WERE FULLY FUNDED, UH, I SHOULD SAY.
AND, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S 57 ON THE POLICE AND, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S 39 ON THE FIRE AND PULLING UP THE, UH, THE TABLE AT THE MOMENT, SIR, JUST TO CONFIRM THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THIS AND I KNOW THE FIRE CHIEF'S NOT HERE AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE HE'S HAD A FAMILY OBLIGATION ISSUE, BUT THE, UH, TABLE CONTENTS JUST HAS 57 FIRE DIVISION FULL TIME.
AND THEN, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BROKEN DOWN ANY FARTHER THAN THAT.
SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, UH, TO ME AT A LATER TIME, MORE THAN HAPPY TO, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THE FIRE CHIEF HAS A FAMILY OBLIGATION TO ATTEND TO, SO IT, IT IT'S THE ANTICIPATED.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.UM, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS, UNFORTUNATELY, A LACK OF ACTION THUS FAR REGARDING OUR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ENTERTAIN, UH, SOME DISCUSSION IF, UH, COUNCIL IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, UH, ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES THAT NEED TO BE, UM, UH, LABELED HERE IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, UH, FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THAT? YEP.
WHICH LINES? UM, HOW MANY, UH, W WITH THE NEW FACILITY, WE JUST TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND PROTECT IT.
AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UH, HOW MANY, UH, MAYOR, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WANTING TO ADD? ARE WE NEEDING TO ADD, DO WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT WAS, SO MY LAST DISCUSSIONS WITH SCOTT WAS, UH, HE WAS, UH, IN CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MIKE GRAY REGARDING THAT.
AND, UM, AND THERE'D BE A, A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, UM, IF ANY, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADD TO PUBLIC WORKS.
I THINK THE NUMBER ONE, I, I, MY OWN CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH MIKE WAS THAT, UH, EVEN IF HE ADDED EXTRA EMPLOYEES, HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT THEM RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK THE FACILITY IN THE BUILDING IS PROBABLY THE, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO GET WORKING ON IS, AND AS THAT'S HAPPENING, UM, YOU'RE FINDING OUT WHAT WE WOULD NEED FROM THE, FROM A PUBLIC WORK SIDE.
BUT THAT WAS QUITE FRANKLY A REPORT THAT EVAN HAD BEEN WRITING ON CORRECTLY, 45, 60 DAYS.
SO ON THE PUBLIC WORKS SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING TO ADVANCE A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BACK ON THAT OCTOBER 5TH PRESENTATION.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO TRY AND ADVANCE THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY 29 POSITIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE 29, 3 ARE UNFUNDED.
WE HAVE FUNDED ONE OF THOSE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, 2022, BUT THAT IS CONTINGENT ON, UH, THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMING THROUGH FOR THE, UH, DDC DEVELOPMENT ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
SO, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A FUNDING MECHANISM BUILT INTO THAT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER, UH, TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.
AND WE INCLUDED THAT AS A PART OF THE PRESENTATION BACK ON OCTOBER FIVE AND, UH, MAYOR FIGHT JUST, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT THE QUESTION HERE.
I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW BROUGHT IT UP.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ON ITEM E BUT JUST TO BE PREPARED.
UH, NORMALLY WE GET A LINE ITEM, UH, PER IN THE BUDGET AND I DIDN'T HAPPEN TO SEE THAT I COULD HAVE MISSED IT.
SO, UM, BECAUSE IT FUNDS DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M USED TO SEEING.
SO IF I MISSED IT, I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T MISS IT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE, UH, WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING IN EACH DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, MY APOLOGIES OF COUNCIL DID NOT RECEIVE THAT DOCUMENT, BUT PROVIDED THAT COUNCIL ADOPTS THE BUDGET THIS EVENING AS PART OF THE SECOND READING, THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE LINE ITEM BUDGET IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS AS A WORK SESSION.
UM, I'M SORRY, ON MONDAY, I'M SORRY FOR MY, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, CAUSE I DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THESE STAFFING LEVELS AND TABLEWARE CONVICTIONS, RICHARD? I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT, IS THERE ANOTHER, UH, EXTENDED DISCUSSION YOU WANT TO HAVE ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I THINK, UM, SO MY, UH, I GUESS MY CONVERSATION HERE IS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ELIMINATING, UM, SOME STAFF.
UM, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS AND THE, AND THE RITA HAD INFORMATION, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THOSE CUSTODIAL STAFF ARE COMING FROM? WHAT DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT DOES THAT FREE UP SINCE WE ARE NOW OUT TO BID FOR THAT POSITION? SURE.
SO THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE CURRENT EMPLOYMENT PLAN, IF YOU WILL, AS WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UM, WE HAVE AN EXISTING PART-TIME CUSTODIAN, EXCUSE ME, FULL-TIME CUSTODIAN WHO IS LOOKING FOR, UM, A FULL-TIME POSITION AS PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO OUR ABILITY TO CONSISTENTLY STAFF, UH, AT THE JANITORIAL OR AT THE CUSTODIAL LEVEL IS VERY DIFFICULT.
AND SO THE IDEA BEHIND THE CURRENT PLAN IS THAT ONCE THE DDC, UM, PROJECT IS APPROVED IN THE CAP FIVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, WHICH WOULD FUND IS IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT WOULD BRING THE FUNDING FOR THE NEW FULL-TIME PUBLIC WORKS POSITION.
WE WOULD SIMPLY PROMOTE OUR EXISTING
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CUSTODIAN INTO THAT NEW POSITION.AND THEN WE WENT BACK, FILL CUSTODIAL DUTIES THROUGH THAT CONTRACT.
SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY GOING TO BE EXPENSE NEUTRAL, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS TRANSITION.
SO RATHER THAN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER AT, UH, RATHER THAN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL BODY TO FILL THE PUBLIC WORKS POSITION TO BE CREATED, WE'LL SIMPLY PROMOTE AND THEN BACKFILL ALL OF THE CUSTODIAL WORK WITH A CONTRACT.
SO, AND MAYOR TO YOUR POINT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN AWAITED ON FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, THAT FULL BREAKDOWN, UM, AS WELL, UM, PREFERABLY YOU KNOW, A LOT SOONER THAN, THAN TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
UM, AND MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE GRAY HERE ON, YOU KNOW, HIS THOUGHTS ON MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, DOES HE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF? I KNOW, UH, DURING COVID, UH, WE'VE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A BREAKDOWN IN SEASONAL, UM, EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE USED BEFORE.
HOW'S THAT GOING TO IMPACT HIM MOVING FORWARD? UH, WHAT'S HIS VISION ON THAT? DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HERE TODAY? UM, I, I THINK THOSE ARE SOME KEY QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING IN THAT DEPARTMENT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS FOR US TONIGHT.
I DON'T SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE JUST IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH SCOTT WAS PLEASE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE, DETERMINE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.
ARE WE SHORT? DO WE NEED PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS? AND AS ALL PART OF THIS PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD, WE KNOW THE NEW FACILITY IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH AND WORKING ON.
AND, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT STAFFING LEVEL FOR THE NEW FACILITY WOULD ALL COME, COME AS PART OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THE MESSAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN FROM, FROM THIS COUNCIL, CERTAINLY FOR ME, IF WE NEED THOSE RESOURCES AND PUBLIC WORKS, LET US KNOW WHAT WE NEED AND COUNSEL SEE THAT WE HAVE THOSE RESOURCES.
SO BRIAN, IF THAT MESSAGE HASN'T BEEN DELIVERED TO MIKE, EITHER YOU OR SCOTT, THEN THAT MESSAGE AGAIN, PUBLICLY NEEDS TO BE KNOWN TO SCOTT, THAT IF WE NEED THOSE RESOURCES THERE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO COUNSEL KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE SO WE CAN, WE CAN APPROVE IT.
AND I CAN COMMUNICATE THAT MESSAGE BACK TO MIKE TOMORROW AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT HE NEEDS LOOKING FOR INTO THE FUTURE, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL TO.
SO WE HAVE ONE MORE, UH, I MEAN, WE HAVE ANOTHER WORK.
I, I W I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS, WHAT'S LOOKING AT US SOONER THAN LATER.
SO WE HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION IN DECEMBER, CORRECT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE LOOKING AT FROM A STAFFING POSITION FROM PUBLIC WORKS AT THAT, AT THAT DECEMBER MEETING.
RICHARD'S THAT, AND THEN THAT WILL, UH, I DO HAVE A, ANOTHER TOPIC, A, I DON'T KNOW, APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
I KNOW OUR CLERK OF COUNCIL SENT OUT AN EMAIL THIS MORNING, UM, REGARDING A PUBLIC RECORDS TECHNICIAN.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, TONY, YOU WANTED TO GO IN HERE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM OR, OR LATER, UH, I WAS PLANNING TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, DURING THE BUDGET PART, UH, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2022.
UM, AS I INDICATED IN MY EMAIL, THAT POSITION IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND, UH, IT'S JUST NOT FONDANT.
SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION SETS THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.
SO THERE'D BE NO IMPACT TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM IT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON THERE.
I, I WAS ASSUMING YOU WERE GOING TO DISCUSS IT LATER ON.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL YOUR CONCERNS, UH, FROM, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL'S POINT OF VIEW AND THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING WAS MET DURING THIS DISCUSSION IN PARTICULAR, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, YES.
IN REGARD TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, UH, HAVE WE LOOKED AT AND STUDIED OTHER AREAS, OTHER CITIES, AND IN HOW THEY RUN THEIR CITY CLERK, OFFICES, WHAT THEY MIGHT SPEND, UM, AND DO SOME COMPARISONS MAYBE TO FIVE, SIX, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AROUND YOU OR HEIGHTS AND, AND GET A COMPARISON AND SEE WHERE WE'D FALL IN LINE, OR IF, UH, IF THERE IS, UH, ADDITIONAL NEEDS OR ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MAY NEED TO MAKE.
UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION ARE RELATIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH HERE.
UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. MCDONALD ABOUT AN NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY AND, UH, JERRY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK
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WE WERE TALKING LIKE LESS THAN 10 REQUESTS IN THE ENTIRE YEAR, UM, WHERE, WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH HUNDREDS.UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT, YOU COULD DO SOME COMPARISON, BUT SOME OF IT'S NOT A DIRECT COMPARISON.
SO IF, IF WE COULD TAKE THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST PORTION AND PUSH IT TO THE SIDE AND DO AN ANALYSIS ON THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER CITIES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT FOR TODAY.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW WE DO A REALLY TOP-NOTCH JOB.
I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO OTHER CITIES.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENT OR BETTER, NO DISCUSSION ON FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
TONY, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT.
UM, A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN WE, UH, UM, BROUGHT IN THE PUBLIC WORK, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS TECHNICIAN, YOU HAD DID SOME INITIAL RESEARCH, I BELIEVE THROUGH, UM, UH, THE CLERK'S ADMINISTRATION, OML, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO GET US SOME OF THAT RESEARCH FOR THAT POSITION.
I ASSUME YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH US, UH, AS WELL AS MAYBE EXPAND WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESEARCHED.
THAT'S CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT WAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF REINVENT THE WHEEL TWICE.
MARK AND WHERE I'M LOOKING IS MORE, UM, WHERE WE EXIST TODAY AND HOW IT COMPARES WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES.
SO NOT RESEARCH ON, UH, UM, PUBLIC RECORDS TECHNICIAN, BUT HOW DO WE COMPARE IN GENERAL? HOW DO WE KNEW WHAT WE DO COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES AND, AND AT WHAT COST, WHAT DOES IT COST US PER CAPITA, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THERE? ARE THERE SOME RESOURCES THAT WE COULD CHANGE OR MODIFY TO BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC? THAT'S WHY I'M INTERESTING.
WE DID ALL THE ANALYSIS ON THE RECORDS CLERK, RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE HAD SOME HICCUPS IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
DID WE NOT, WHEN, WHEN WE MADE OUR CHANGE ON THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE HAD A RECORDS CLERK WE DID, AND WE MOVED THAT RECORDS CLERK SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE STATE.
SHE TOOK ANOTHER POSITION, HUMAN RESOURCES.
SO I JUST THINK AN OVERVIEW AND, UH, TO STUDY WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENT OR BETTER MIGHT BE VALUABLE AND JUST SEE HOW IT COMPARES ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, TO MARK'S RECOMMENDATION ON, ON LOOKING AT A COMPARISON.
TONY PROVIDE THAT TO US PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO MAKING ADJUSTMENTS THE BUDGET.
I'VE GOT NO OBJECTIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE THE FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
SO TONY, IF YOU DO THAT, WHY THAT DESK, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON THE STAFFING LEVELS AND TABLE ORGANIZATION AS IT IS NOW ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ City Salaries/Wage Levels]
NEXT UP IS I AM 3D, WHICH IS A CITY SALARIES AND WAGES LEVELS, RIGHT? UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS ANNUAL REOCCURRING LEGISLATION BEFORE THIS BODY AND PROVIDES FOR THE SALARY AND WAGE TABLES OF STAFF.THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED STAFF, UH, WAGE TABLES THIS YEAR, RELATIVE TO LAST YEAR, ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ 2022 Annual Legislation * Various Departments/Divisions - Various Vendors]
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE 20, 22 ANNUAL LEGISLATION.WE HAVE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS DIVISIONS OR VARIOUS VENDORS, AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION, VARIOUS GOODS AND SERVICES.
THANK YOU, MR. BENNER, THIS LEGISLATION IS ANNUAL REOCCURRING LEGISLATION BEFORE THIS BODY AND ENSURES THAT STAFF HAS ACCESS TO THE SERVICES AND CONTRACTS.
IT NEEDS TO MAINTAIN EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE, WE'VE BEEN ASKED THAT YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY.
IS THAT FOR BOTH, UM, VARIOUS APARTMENTS OR IN PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION? OR IS THAT GOING TO BE, IS THAT A SEPARATE PIECE? IT'S FOR BOTH.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING THIS NOPE, JUST AS HE IN YOUR LEGISLATION.
UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'LL MOVE TO MONDAY
[ Ordinance Modification - Construction Noise]
AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE MODIFICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION NOISE.I'LL ACTUALLY DEFER THIS TOPIC TO A SET, EXCUSE ME, TO CITY ENGINEER, RUSS BOURBON, UH, WHO CAN, UH, ADDRESS THIS TOPIC BETTER.
UM, UH, HIS MICROPHONE IS ON, SO YOU'RE NOT PICKING THEM UP, SWITCH OUT
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THE SCIENCE.UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM I'D LIKE TO HAVE COUNSEL GO OVER.
UH, IT IS CONCERNING CITY CODE 5 0 9 0 8.
AND I DID INCLUDE IT IN YOUR PACKET.
IT'S ABOUT DISTURBING THE PEACE AND, UH, BASICALLY A NOISE ORDINANCE.
UM, THE REASON THIS CAME UP, UH, IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS, OR SO THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW RESIDENTS OUT AT, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS AREA THAT HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE NOISE OF CONSTRUCTION ON SATURDAYS IS WHAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT.
UM, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS DID BRING UP THIS ORDINANCE THAT, THAT, UH, WHERE IT CAN BE DONE AT 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS, UH, DOES NOT ADDRESS SATURDAY OR SUNDAYS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
I'M LIKE TO, UH, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED SATURDAYS? UM, IF IT'S NOT LISTED HERE ON SATURDAYS, IT'S THEIR IMPRESSION IS THAT YOU CAN'T WORK ON SATURDAYS.
UM, SO THEIR FEELINGS WERE THAT WE SHOULD BE TELLING THE CONTRACTOR TO STOP WORKING.
AND I DID, WE DID DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT A WHILE BACK COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE FOR THEM FOR NINE O'CLOCK.
UH, THAT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY CONTRACTORS OUT THERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS AND ALL THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS, THERE'S CONCRETE COMPANIES.
THEY DON'T KNOW OUR RULES WELL ENOUGH.
SO A LOT OF THEM WERE STILL WORKING AT 7 30, 8 O'CLOCK THEY'D SHOW UP.
SO I WOULD BE GETTING LOTS OF PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS ON SATURDAY MORNINGS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN THEY DO? SO THE ONLY THING I COULD RECOMMEND TO YOU IS TO CALL THE POLICE.
UM, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT CAUSE IT PUTS A BURDEN ON THE POLICE.
NOW, WHEN THE POLICE CAME OUT THERE, THEY ASKED THEM TO STOP.
BUT TYPICALLY THEY TELL ME AFTER HALF HOUR.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT I'M GETTING TOO MANY PEOPLE WANTING AN ANSWER, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON A SATURDAY.
CAUSE THIS ALSO AFFECTS ANYWHERE IN TOWN.
IF YOUR NEIGHBORS MAKING NOISE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU CAN CALL THE POLICE ON IT OR ANY DAY DURING THIS ALL DAY SATURDAY.
UM, SO I WAS ASKING AT THIS POINT, IF YOU COULD CONSIDER MAKING SATURDAYS INCLUDED IN THIS ORDINANCE AS SEVEN.
WELL, THE 10:00 PM SEEMS LIKE TO ME, BUT EVEN THE SEVEN'S A LITTLE EARLY, BUT I THINK MOST CONTRACTORS ON SATURDAYS, THEY, SOME OF THEM ONLY WORK HALF DAYS, LIKE DNM WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE, THEY WORK SEVEN TO 12.
AND THEN WHEN I TOLD THEM NINE O'CLOCK, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH IT FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE DONE BY NOON.
SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS.
AND, UM, I'M JUST WANTING SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ON THIS.
IT'S ALMOST, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ACTUALLY YOUR ASK, BUT TO, TO JUST GO AHEAD AND ALLOW IT INSTEAD OF ENFORCING IT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THAT WE DECIDED ON THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT WHEN WE MODIFY THOSE, THEY'RE NOT ADHERED TO, EVEN IN THAT SITUATION AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME REPLACING MY PATIO DOOR OR, UM, WORKING ON MY DECK AND A WHOLE CONSTRUCTION CREW, BUILDING A HOUSE ON A SATURDAY.
I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THESE TIMES WOULD NOT BE GOOD.
I DON'T THINK 7:00 AM ON A SATURDAY MORNING IS THAT'S TOO EARLY FOR MOST FOLKS.
I THINK IN 10:00 PM IS PROBABLY TOO LATE.
UM, PERSONALLY I WOULD PREFER THAT WE JUST MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT STANCE ON IT AND TRY TO ENFORCE IT.
UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY, UH, BROUGHT UP, UH, IN A, ANOTHER CITY HERE IN THE STATE AND, UM, I KINDA LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
UM, AND UH, THEY HAVE, UH, ALTERED THEIR TIMES TO MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE, UH, OF 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
UH, IF WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS SATURDAY IN THERE, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE TIMES BE ALTERED AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DO BELIEVE 7:00 AM IS TOO EARLY.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS DOING HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ON MY STREET AT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, 7:00 AM ON A SATURDAY WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET SOME SLEEP, UM, I'M GOING TO WALK OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME WORDS.
UM, SAME THING, YOU KNOW, AFTER, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD DINNER IN MY, MY KIDS ARE IN BED
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AND THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.I GOT SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
I THINK 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM IF WE WERE ADDRESSING SATURDAY, INCLUDING SATURDAYS IN THERE.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THERE ALSO SHOULD BE AN EXCLUSION, UH, ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCES, NOT INCLUDING THOSE OR DISCUSSING THOSE, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS AS WELL.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH GLEN AND RICHARD EITHER ON, ON THIS, IN TERMS OF THE TIME, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT LIMITING OR ELIMINATING WORK ON SATURDAYS IS, IS THE RIGHT THING.
BUT I THINK CERTAINLY ALTERNATIVE TIMES ARE, I KNOW WE HAVE, AND MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS, IS TEMPORARY.
AND I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S BUILDING CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
EVENTUALLY THAT'S MOVING ON DOWN THE STREET OR THE HOUSES ARE BEING DONE IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT A LONG-TERM THING, BUT I STILL, I MEAN, OUR, OUR JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE TOO, NOT JUST CONTRACTORS ARE COMING IN, WHO DON'T LIVE HERE AND THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEAVING, GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE OR ONTO THE NEXT PROJECT.
SO, UM, MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT AGAIN, ELIMINATING SATURDAY'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK ALTERING THE TIME FRAME IS IF THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT DOESN'T WANT TO WORK AT EIGHT OR DOESN'T WANNA WORK AT NINE BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEM.
I MEAN, THEY STILL HAVE A JOB TO DO.
THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO COME BACK ON MONDAY.
I MEAN, I THINK, I MEAN, THAT'S KINDA WHERE I'M AT HERE, BUT, UM, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WHAT IF WE DID IT BY DAYLIGHT? LIKE THE PARKS OR SUNUP TO SUNDOWN? UH, I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, UM, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TIME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND SOMEBODY WILL SAY, WELL, I CAN SEE THE SUN OVER HERE, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SET TIME AND END, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO MANIPULATE WHAT THAT OKAY.
W WHAT THAT IS THAT DAWN TO DUSK TYPE THING, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
DOM GEM OR COMMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THIS WAS PEOPLE THAT WERE CALLING YOUTUBE BECAUSE ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, YOUR WORLD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES OF RUSSELL'S BROUGHT UP THE FIRST IS, UM, THE TIMEFRAME AND WEEKENDS ON.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN SHAW SAYING, UM, 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM IS RIDICULOUS OUT THERE.
UH, I WOULD CONCUR, I THINK AN EIGHT TO EIGHT TIMEFRAME WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN RUSSELL DEFER TO YOU.
AS FAR AS DEALING WITH CONTRACTORS ON THAT, UM, SATURDAY MORNINGS, THERE IS A POINT IN WHICH A HOMEOWNER, ONE OF MY RESIDENTS, I THINK HAS A RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
AND THIS GOES INTO THE SECOND PART AND THAT'S ENFORCEMENT.
SO SURENO, NO ENFORCEMENT OF OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE.
WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THE CONCRETE TRUCK THAT PULLS UP AT 5 45 OR SIX.
THAT'S SITTING THERE IDLING IN A RESIDENT'S BACKYARD WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE START TIME OF 7:00 AM.
UM, AND IT IS, UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT IS A THUMB YOUR NOSE AT THE RESIDENTS, FROM THE CONTRACTORS INVOLVED, UH, HER DRESS SAY THAT THEY'RE UNSURE OR UNAWARE OF OUR HOURS AND REGULATIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD GET THAT PAST CHIEF NICELY.
IF I WAS TO SAY I WAS UNAWARE OF A SPEEDING REGULATION OR A, UH, ANY OTHER TRAFFIC REGULATION.
SO THE CONTRACTOR IS BEING UNAWARE, UM, DOES NOT ACCEPT SUMMARY.
SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ENFORCEMENT AND HOW THAT ENFORCEMENT WAS HANDLED.
AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CONTRACTORS WHO ARE PUSHING THE LIMITS 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM.
IF IT CAN BE PROPERLY ENFORCED.
AND I THINK WITH THAT, WE COULD EVEN GET BUY-IN FROM THE RESIDENTS WITH REGARD TO A SATURDAY, BUT NOT THIS, UM, AS IT'S OCCURRING NOW.
DID I SEE YOUR HAND? DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT FIRST? I CAN WAIT.
UM, MY OPINION, I MEAN, I'M FLEXIBLE.
UH, I THINK THERE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE WITH NOT ENFORCING THE CODE.
UH, SO IF WE HAVE A CODE AND WE'RE NOT ENFORCING IT, OR IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE, THEN DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT WE CHANGE IT TO.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT COMMITMENT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR, TO KIND OF DISAGREE WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, SOMETIMES BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S JUST THE WAY I THINK BY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 7:00 AM, UM, I LIKE PEOPLE, PEOPLE LIKE TO GET OUT TO WORK.
I USED TO BE ONE OF THOSE SOMETIMES.
UM, BUT ON SATURDAY MORNING, UH, I THINK 9:00 AM, UH, IS
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THE APPROPRIATE START TIME IF WE'RE ALIVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE WORK ON SATURDAY, WHICH YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN, UH, AUTO'S POINT IS THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, AND THEY'RE DOING IT ANYWAY.UM, 10:00 PM I THINK IS TOO LATE.
UH, NOTHING SHOULD HAPPEN AFTER 9:00 PM IN MY OPINION.
UH, I THINK THAT'S JUST COMMON DECENCY.
UM, BUT I DON'T LOOK AT LOWERING THAT AT ALL.
LIKE IT, LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK CONTRACTORS COME OUT SATURDAY AFTERNOON, AFTERNOON, OR LATE EVENINGS EITHER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CODE AND PUT THE HOURS IN, I THINK WE NEED A SPECIFIC COMMITMENT TO ENFORCE IT AND THEN FIND A WAY, UH, TO MAKE IT STICK.
UH, I GET THAT CONTRACTORS DON'T KNOW THE TIMES, BUT AS PART OF THE BUSINESS, THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
JUST LIKE IT IS TO KNOW THE CODE FOR BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.
SOMETIMES NOT ALL CONTRACTORS ARE AS DILIGENT, BUT IT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT.
SO, UM, GOD BLESS YOU, COUNSEL, WHATEVER YOU CAN MAKE OUT OF MY OPINION.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UM, THE, UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO STOP THEM FROM DOING SOMETHING THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO DO THE CURRENT LEGISLATURE OR THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT.
SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWING.
IT'S DEPENDS ON HOW YOU READ IT, BUT YES, SINCE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS IT, I'M THE OTHER RESIDENTS OPINION WAS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCES ARE ALLOWED TO WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 7:00 AM AND 10:00 PM.
I JUST WANTED IT CLEAR THAT THIS WOULD NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, UM, DRAWBACK A PRIVILEGE THAT WE'RE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IT'S.
ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY TAKING DEALER? THIS MARK.
WE'LL WE'LL GET UP THERE RUSS.
AGAIN, UH, NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, BASED ON HOURS BASED, BASED ON HOURS OR BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ADDRESSED, THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE, NOBODY'S ALLOWED TO WORK ON SATURDAY.
AND WHAT ARE WE NOT ENFORCING? THEY SHOW UP AT SEVEN, EIGHT ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND THE RESIDENTS CALL, WELL, THEY CALL ME AND LEAVE ME A MESSAGE, BUT I'VE TOLD THEM THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS CALL THE POLICE.
SO THEY CALL THE POLICE, THE POLICE COME OUT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TYPICALLY CITE THEM.
THEY'RE GOING TO WARN THEM FIRST ANYWAYS, TO TELL THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WELL, AT THAT POINT, WE DID MAKE IT NINE O'CLOCK OUT THERE IN THAT ONE AREA.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY WOULD STOP FOR AWHILE.
AND I THINK THEY'D START BACK UP AFTER, AFTER THEY LEFT.
AND WHEN YOU SAY WE MADE IT NINE O'CLOCK FOR A WHILE, WE DID, UH, WE DID IT WITH, AFTER SPEAKING, I DID IT WITH SCOTT AND I BASICALLY, AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER, I DON'T KNOW IF ROB WAS HERE AT THAT POINT, UH, HAD DECIDED TO JUST ENFORCE THE NINE O'CLOCK UP IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AREA TO HELP THOSE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE COMPLAINING AND WE PASS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS, NO, WE NEVER PASSED ANY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING US, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE INFORMING US OF THE ISSUE.
AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO PASS SOME LEGISLATION.
YOU COULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO TELL RESIDENT.
AM I TELL THEM TO JUST CALL THE POLICE? I FEEL LIKE I'M BURDENING THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEN THEY'RE WONDERING WHY THEY'RE OUT THERE.
AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, CAUSE I TOLD THEM TO CALL THE POLICE.
SO, AND THAT, I DON'T THINK THE POLICE WANT TO SITE THE CONTRACTOR.
I THINK HE WANTS TO JUST WARN HIM AND TELL HIM TO STOP.
SO IT'S JUST THE WAY I LIKE COUNSEL TO TELL ME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, I'M GOING TO STILL HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE JUST TO CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
AND WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS REQUESTING? WHAT IS THEIR ASK THERE? THEY ALWAYS ASK ME THAT.
WHY CAN'T THE POLICE DO ANYTHING? OKAY, WHAT HOURS ARE THEY NOT WANTING THE CONTRACTORS TO WORK? I THINK MOST PEOPLE WERE HAPPY WITH THE NINE O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY, BUT THE PROBLEM WE HAD WAS IT JUST CONTINUED TO KEEP HAPPENING TO TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS WOULD COME OUT THERE AND WORK LIKE A, UH, A ROOFER WOULD COME OUT WHO WASN'T THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WEEK.
SO HE JUST SHOWED UP EARLY ON SATURDAY AND STARTED WORKING.
HE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A NINE O'CLOCK ORDINANCE.
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AND COMPLAIN AND IT'D BE THE SAME PROBLEM.THERE'S TOO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN ALL THE TIME FOR OFFICIALLY FOR THE BUILDERS.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY THAT'S, IT'S TOO HARD TO CONTROL.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE COULD JUST ALLOW IT THAT WAY.
POLICE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
AND WE JUST, I COULD SAY WE'RE WELL, WE ALLOW IT SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN WORK.
AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE ALLOWING TO COME AND WORK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH THE TIME I WAS, I WAS JUST EXTENDING THE WEEKDAYS TO INCLUDE SATURDAY.
SO THE RESIDENTS WANT TO SLEEP LONGER ON SATURDAY.
AND THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO WORK UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE AT NIGHT.
OH, WELL, THEY'VE, THEY'VE COMPLAINED TO ME THAT THEY'VE STARTED AT SIX 30 ON A WEEKDAY ALSO, BUT THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN AS BAD OF AN ISSUE.
I THINK AT THE CO I THINK THE CODE IS AMBIGUOUS.
AND IF IT IS, I THINK WE NEED TO FIX IT, BUT IN ORDER TO FIX IT, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOW IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME TEETH IN IT AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT NOT AMBIGUOUS.
SO, UH, IF IT DOESN'T ADDRESS SATURDAY AND THEY'RE WORKING SATURDAY, WELL, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THESE ARE THE RULES, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THE RULES OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR? SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RULES ARE THAT WAY THEY VIOLATE IT.
THEN WHEN WE COME OUT AND WE DO CITE THEM, THEY'RE NOT SURPRISED.
YEAH, MARTIN, WE DO HAVE A WAY TO IDENTIFY EVERY BUILDER THAT'S BUILDING IN OUR CITY, CORRECT? YES.
AND WE CAN SEND THAT BUILDER NOTICE.
AND THEN THE BUILDER COULD GET OUT TO THEIR SUBS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES, WHATEVER THE RULES ARE.
I HATE TO SAY IT BECAUSE I THINK THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF SUBCONTRACTORS THAT SOMEHOW DON'T GET THE WORD FROM THERE, FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUILDER TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW, JEEZ, JERRY, WHEN DONALD DESERVES SOMETHING WE COULD LEGISLATE THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW THE CITY TO ENFORCE A LAW THAT HAS A SPECIFIC START TIME.
IF SOMEONE VIOLATES IT WELL, YES, WE CAN ENFORCE IT.
I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE ENFORCE IT AGAINST SOMEBODY WHO PULLED THE PERMIT AS OPPOSED TO THE SOPS? THAT WOULD BE REALLY WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO DO BECAUSE AFTER IF WE CAN'T DO THAT AND IT'S, WE CITE THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THEY'RE STARTING TO PAY OUT OF THEIR POCKET, THAT'S THE SUBS.
SO THE ANSWER IS, YES, WE CAN PASS SOME LEGISLATION THAT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO ENFORCE, BUT WE HIT THE CURRENT LEGISLATION.
WE HAVE, WE CAN GO OUT THERE ON A SATURDAY AND SAY, YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SAYS, YOU CAN'T BE OUT THERE AND ALL, AND I'M A SATURDAY DOING CONSTRUCTION WORK.
SO TWO QUESTIONS IS, I GUESS WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO LET THEM WORK ON SATURDAYS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA LET THEM WORK ON SATURDAYS, THAT CHANGES THE CODE AND THEN INSTITUTE A TIMEFRAME.
RIGHT? THE PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING IS, AS IT STANDS, THIS IS CONSTRUCTION WAS ONLY ALLOWED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES.
UM, I GUESS APPARENTLY CERTAIN CONTRACTORS WERE NOTICED THAT, UH, HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OUT HERE ON A SATURDAY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, SINCE WE'RE NICE GUYS, WE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION AND WE DECIDED, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL LET YOU COME OUT AT 9:00 AM, BUT THEY STILL CONTINUED TO COME OUT EARLY AS TEAMS. UM, SO WHAT'S TO STOP IF WE SET TIMEFRAMES FROM THEM, JUST CONTINUING TO DO THAT.
THEY, THE ONLY RECOURSE HERE IN MY OPINION IS REGARDLESS OF THE WAY WE SET THIS UP, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE, OR IT'S JUST, IF IT'S WORTHLESS, UM, WE SHOULD BE ENFORCING IT RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM EXTRA LENIENCY.
UM, AND IF IT'S DISTURBING, OUR RESIDENTS IS STARVING.
OUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR CODE SAYS I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE ON SATURDAY.
WELL GUESS WHAT? YOU GUYS PUSHED US TOO FAR.
NOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU HERE ON SATURDAY.
THE RULES ARE THE RULES KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON.
NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT THIS ISN'T A UNIQUE THING TO, UM, FOR TWO OR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT UP THERE.
AND AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ON OUR BOARD RIGHT NOW, BEFORE US, IT'S, UH, COMING UP AS WE BACKFILL INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION, ABUTTING, OLD NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S A PROBLEM.
AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS NOW BECAUSE I, UH, LACROSSE, I GET THESE COMPLAINTS ON SATURDAY MORNING WHEN I'M TRYING TO SLEEP OUT.
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GOES OFF, FIRST THING ON A SATURDAY MORNING, AND I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE, BUT IT HASN'T STOPPED THE CEMENT TRUCK FROM PULLING UP AN IDLING, UM, 10 FEET AWAY FROM A RESIDENT'S HOUSE AT 6:00 AM OR SIX 30 WAITING FOR WHAT THEY PERCEIVE TO BE AS A SEVEN.O'CLOCK STARTING ON US DURING THE WEEK.
UH, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, YOU ASKED, UH, YOU MENTIONED IS THE SATURDAY THE ONLY PROBLEM.
NO, IT ISN'T AS THESE CALLS COME THROUGHOUT THE WEEK WHEN THEY'RE THEY'RE FAR TOO EARLIER, ROOFERS ARE UP THERE, UM, DOING ROOFING, UM, STARTING AT 7:00 AM WITH THE, UH, WITH THE AIR HAMMERS AND EVERYTHING.
THEN I THINK THE COUNTS NEWSCRED WERE UP ON HERE.
WE NEED TO TACKLE IT IN TWO PHASES.
IF WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT A SET GROUP OF RULES THAT, UH, AS COUNCILMAN SEAN MENTIONED, I'M FOLLOWING.
AND IF WE COME UP WITH 8:00 AM DAY PM OR SOMETHING REASONABLE, BUT IF WE DON'T ENFORCE IT, IT MEANS NOTHING.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT CONTINUING TO THROW IT AT THE POLICE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
UM, CHIEF LIGHTENERS HERE, HE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SEND OFFICERS OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET CONTRACTORS TO ABIDE BY THE RULES.
KEN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION? A LITTLE BIT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM I'D TALKED TO RUSS WHEN THIS HAPPENED AND, UH, SO CARRIAGE TRAILS, WE BUILT 1300 HOMES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM SINCE 2009 UNTIL WE GOT INTO A DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING IN WINDBROOK, THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO AN ISSUE OF HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
SO I THINK ONE THING JUST TO MENTION FOR EVERYBODY TO KEEP IN PERSPECTIVE IS YOU'RE GOING TO, WHATEVER YOU DO IS GOING TO AFFECT CONSTRUCTION ALL OVER TOWN, NOT JUST IN WINDBROOK.
SO IF YOU'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS DOWN ON BRAND, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THE MUSIC CENTER, I DO WORK AT PVS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SET TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT CONSTRUCTION ALL OVER TOWN.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT TO FIND IN OTHER PLACES.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ME WHEN RUSS AND I AGREED THAT I WOULDN'T WORK UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK.
I COULDN'T GET DNM TO WORK ON SATURDAYS ANYMORE, BECAUSE IF THEY HAD TO WAIT UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK TO START, THEY WASTED TOO MUCH OF THEIR SATURDAY.
THEY JUST WENT AND WORKED ON OTHER JOBS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE ALMOST DONE WITH A THIRD PHASE OF WIND ROAD, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY AFFECT US, BUT WE JUST ENDED UP NOT BEING ABLE TO WORK.
SO JUST SOMETHING, ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT AND SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU START, WHEN YOU SET TIMES THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT LANDSCAPERS PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT MOWING IN THE SUMMERTIME, UH, YOUR, YOUR TIME REALLY WOULD AFFECT ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WOULD HAVE A WIDESPREAD IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE HERE.
I WAS GONNA SAY ONE THING, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS DO RELY ON SATURDAYS WHEN IT'S A RAINY WEEK BILL.
THEY WANT TO WORK ON SATURDAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT SOMEONE TOLD ME ALSO IS LIKE YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY OUR DAY THAT WE CAN CATCH UP, UM, MIRROR THEIR BEST PRACTICES.
THIS COUNCIL CAN LOOK OUT FROM OTHER CITIES, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WOULD GIVE UP.
I SEE RICHARD PRICE IN HIS HAND.
SO PERHAPS HE CAN ANSWER THAT.
BUT, UM, UM, WITH REGARD TO, UM, WHAT KEN'S TOLD US HERE, I'M SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ON THIS, OR HAVE TO BE A GROUP OF BEST PRACTICES OUT THERE THAT WE CAN HELP THEM OUT.
UH, YES, DON DOESN'T MATTER OF FACT, UH, WHEN I SEEN THIS, UH, POP-UP UM, I DID PULL UP OUR NEIGHBORING CITY DOWN THE ROAD, OAKWOOD.
I LOOKED AT A INDEPENDENT CITY, UM, UH, OHIO, UH, WHO JUST RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, AND PASSED LEGISLATION IN APRIL, MAY OF THIS YEAR, WHICH IS THE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM THAT I'M TAKING EVERYTHING FROM THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, COME TO FIND OUT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO ALSO HAVE THAT 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM.
UM, THE WAY, UH, OAKWOOD HAS IT IS CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE NOISE.
I THINK THAT WOULD COVER THE IDLING TRUCK.
UM, UH, THE WAY THEY HAVEN'T WORDED CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE NOISE IS PROHIBITED MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, BETWEEN 9:00 PM AND 7:00 AM.
UM, AND ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS, WHICH IS WHERE I STOLE THAT PORTION FROM, AS IT'S ADDRESSED IN THERE FROM 9:00 PM TO 9:00 AM.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF CITIES DO HAVE IT ADDRESSED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF TOOK INDEPENDENCE, UM, AND OAKWOOD, AND KIND OF COMBINED THEM TOGETHER WITH MY RECOMMENDATION HERE TO COUNSEL, UH, TODAY.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY
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AND ADDRESSING, UM, YOU KNOW, SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS AS YOU KNOW, NO CONSTRUCTION DAYS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.UM, NOW THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT DO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
I'M NOT A FATE OF THAT WHATSOEVER.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION.
UH, TAKING A LOT OF THOSE OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE REVIEWED AND TO CORRELATION CHIEF VITOR IS THERE IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER HAVE HAVE MORE TEETH TO YOU, WHETHER LEGISLATION RESTRICTS SPECIFIC TIMES OR TIMES ARE ALLOWED.
SO IT DOES ONE OF THOSE MATTER BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WAY RICHARD HAD READ FROM OAKWOOD, THEY RESTRICT TIMES.
SO AS A RESTRICTED TIME, EASIER TO ENFORCE, OR AS AN ALLOWABLE TIME, EASIER TO ENFORCE YOU MEAN HOW OAKWOOD LISTED IT FROM WHEN YOU WERE IN THE OTHER ONE, SAID WHEN YOU COULD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THE, THE, THE, UH, AND I HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND I'VE HEARD, UH, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICE AREN'T ENFORCING AND THE POLICE AREN'T TAKING ACTION.
WHEN I THINK THAT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING, I THINK IT'S A PERCEPTION THAT'S WRONG.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL FORMS OF ENFORCEMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A TICKET OR AN ARREST.
UM, AND I GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IN OUR CITY IS OUR, IS OUR, UH, OUR GOALPOSTS ARE OUR BASKETBALL HOOPS.
WE GET TON OF COMPLAINTS ON THOSE.
EVERY SPRING, EVERY SUMMER, WE DON'T GO OUT AND SITE THE PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THEIR BASKETBALL HOOPS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE GIVE THEM A LETTER.
IT INFORMS THEM OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH TIME TO GET THE BASKETBALL HOOP REMOVED.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN WE'VE REALLY CITED ANYBODY FOR IT.
I'M SURE WE HAVE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY HEED THAT WARNING.
THEY MOVE THE HOOP AND THAT'S THE WAY WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO THAT THERE IS A FORM OF ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE REALLY WHAT'S THE MAIN PRIORITY.
AND THAT'S TO CHANGE A BEHAVIOR.
I MEAN, PERIOD, THAT'S CHANGING BEHAVIORS.
DO WE WANT TO GET, DO OFFICERS HERE, WANT TO GO OUT IN THE SIDE, ALL THESE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS THAT ARE BUILDING IN OUR CITY.
NOW, NONE OF THEM WANT TO, THEY WILL, IF THEY HAVE TO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE ON GETTING THE WORD OUT, MY INPUT WOULD BE, IF YOU WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT TO, TO THESE, UH, VENDORS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WORKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SENDS THEM OUT TO GET SOME WORK DONE, IS THAT WE, UH, WE, WHEN I SAY WE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO PRINT OFF A FORM, JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE GOALPOSTS AND SAY, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.
AND WE DOCUMENT THAT, AND THIS IS THE PERSON WHO'S BEEN WARNED.
AND IF WE GO OUT AGAIN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S POTENTIAL TO BE CITED.
BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE GET THE WARNING OUT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT, ALL THE DIFFERENT BUILDERS OUT THERE AND NOT JUST THE BUILDERS, BUT I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT JUST REGULAR WORKING, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OUT THERE WORKING THAT HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS IN OUR CITY.
THEY WERE JUST SITTING OUT THERE TO WORK AND THE OFFICERS HAVE TROUBLE SIGHTING, YOU KNOW, GUYS AND GALS LIKE THAT, WHO HAVE NO CLUE, THEY'RE JUST NOW CAUSE THEIR BOSS SEND THEM OUT THERE TO GET SOME WORK DONE.
SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO, IS THAT WE PRINT THAT ORDINANCE UP JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE OTHER.
AND WE, WE START, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE WORD OUT AND LETTING THEM KNOW.
SO, SO TWO THINGS WE HAVE TO DECIDE DOES THIS COUNCIL IN FAVOR OF RESTRICTING WORKING ON SATURDAY OR ALLOWING ON SATURDAY? CAUSE IT'S YEAH, IT'S CURRENTLY RESTRICTED.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO ALLOWING WORK ON SATURDAY? ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN DETERMINE A TIME.
MAYBE I THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK.
AND IT PERTINENT PROVISIONS TO WORK ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS TO ALLOW THEM SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS ARE TWO RESTRICTIONS TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
I THINK EACH ONE NEEDS TO BE DEFINED AND PUT HOURS OF PARAMETERS ON THEM.
AND WHEN YOU, THEY COME IN TO PULL PERMITS TO PUT UP THIS HOUSE, THAT'S WHEN THE ORDINANCE HAS GIVEN TO THEM BUILDER.
THESE ARE THE TERMS THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH AND LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW IT.
NO DISCUSSION ON, SO, UH, KATE'S ABOUT SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PERMIT WORK ON SUNDAYS ON HOLIDAYS? YES.
BECAUSE LIKE MR. CONWAY SAID, IF IT'S BEEN A RAINY WEEK RAINY SEASON, PUTTING UP A HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO WORK ON SATURDAYS OR SUNDAYS OR A HOLIDAY.
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
AND, UH, THE REASON I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO, I BELIEVE THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS SOME RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
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I THINK WE SHOULD ERR, IN FAVOR OF THE HOMEOWNERS, NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACTORS NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO IF A MIRROR, IF YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN.AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. CONAWAY TO CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT COUNCILMAN SHAW SAID AND THAT AS AN 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT FIT INTO A, UM, A CONSTRUCTION MINDED PERSON LIKE YOURSELF OR, WELL, I LIKE WHAT HE SAID, UH, THE OTHER WAY BETTER NINE TO SEVEN IS PROHIBITED BECAUSE THEN AFTER SEVEN YOU CAN START MAKING NOISE, BUT I THINK EIGHT O'CLOCK PUSHES YOUR TIME WINDOW A LITTLE BIT LATE.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT SEVEN 30 MAYBE INSTEAD OF SEVEN, JUST BRING IT TO THE METAL.
UM, I THINK SEVEN 30 WOULD PUT YOU MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU FIND IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A PERMIT INCLUDE TIMEFRAME.
I, I TRIED TO LOOK, BUT I COULDN'T SEE.
I THINK IF YOU PULL PERMIT OUT OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, IT MIGHT HAVE TIMES ON IT, BUT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY GIVE THE BUILDER ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A CHALLENGE OF FIGURING OUT HOW THE INFORMATION IS DISSEMINATED THROUGH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE RANKS.
AND MOST LIKELY SOMETHING ELSE THAT'LL FIGHT US IN THE EFFORT WOULD BE THAT MARK'S GONNA RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS OR RAICES OR YOU ARE.
SO ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN AN AREA WHERE NO ONE'S COMPLAINING, AREN'T GONNA THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH STARTING AT SEVEN.
AND THEN THEY GO TO AN AREA WHERE SOMEBODY DOES COMPLAIN AND THEY'RE, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT IT'S REALLY SEVEN 30 OR EIGHT O'CLOCK WHATEVER THE TIME IS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BEST WAY REALLY WOULD BE TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT SO THAT IT'S EVEN, MAYBE IT'S POSTED ON SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S NO RUSS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE CITY ISSUES THAT'S POSTED ON THE JOB SITE IS THERE.
SO, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD WAY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT, BUT I D I THINK IF YOU COULD CONSIDER SEVEN 30, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A MORE KIND OF INDUSTRY STANDARD OF TIME AND NIGHTTIMES SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS, YOU KNOW, AFTER 6, 6 30, UH, I WOULDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM AT ALL IN PULLING BACK NIGHTTIME HOURS, NINE O'CLOCK 10 O'CLOCK.
I WAS SURPRISED OAKWOOD'S AT NINE.
CAUSE THAT'S REALLY GENEROUS TO, TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, NOISE UP UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK.
I CAN SAY THAT I'VE YET TO FEEL, TO COMPLAIN ABOUT EVENING NOISE.
IT'S ALWAYS MORNING NOISE, AND EVEN FURTHER, THE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN, UM, EVEN WITH A SEVEN O'CLOCK START TIME IT'S CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, PULLING UP IDLING, UH, CREWS TALKING BACK AND FORTH, UH, PRIOR TO THE START TIME.
SO, UH, WHAT COUNCILMAN SEAN MENTIONED WITH REGARD TO, AND RICHARD, I FORGET EXACTLY THE PHRASING.
YOU USE MAINTENANCE, NOISE, MAINTENANCE NOISE, I THINK.
UH, DOES THAT WORK FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
I MEAN, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S DISCIPLINE.
LIKE MARK SAID, WE, WE JUST HAVE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PULL UP.
IF YOU'RE IN AN INFILL AREA, YOU CAN'T PULL UP AND SIT FRONT OF IT AND OLDER HOME, YOU GOT TO GET YOURSELF INTO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL TAKE SOME TIME PROBABLY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IF THOSE ARE THE HOURS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, WE'RE NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO DO ANYTHING UNREASONABLE AND IT SHOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GET THEM TO, TO ACCOMMODATE.
MA'AM YES, RUSS, UH, YOU BROUGHT TO US AN ISSUE WITH, UH, BUILDERS AND THE TIME THEY STARTED IN THE MORNING, CORRECT.
YOU DIDN'T BRING UP LANDSCAPERS PEOPLE, MOWING GRASS.
THAT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE FOR YOU AS A, UH, YEAH, IT HAS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BUILDERS, SUBCONTRACTORS, LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE ANYBODY ROOFERS, LANDSCAPERS, ANYBODY, BUT IS IT A WIDESPREAD ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY? NO.
SO WHAT AREAS ARE YOU HAVING THE ISSUE OR HAVE YOU, YOU HAD THE ISSUE IT'S MAINLY WITH, AS KEN WAS SAYING A NEW SUBDIVISION NEXT TO AN OLD ONE IS WHAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, BUT I HAVE HAD TWO OR THREE THAT THEY JUST MOVED IN A NEW HOUSE THAT WAS JUST BUILDING AND THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS HOUSE AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO EXPECT.
AND IS THAT A ONE OFF OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUALLY GOING ON? I'M SORRY.
IS THAT A ONE OFF? DOES THAT HAPPEN EACH WEEK? NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO WHERE IS THE PROBLEM IN THE CITY? WELL, THE ONES WE'RE GETTING IS
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ISN'T CARES TRAILS, BITE, SPREADING KERRY TRAILS OR A POCKET, OR, UH, NO, IT'S NOT A LOT.IT'S PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE AT THE MOST THAT ARE COMPLAINING, BUT WHERE IS IT? IS IT WHERE DR HORTON'S IS BUILDING? YES.
THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN WAS IT, BUT, UH, THERE'S ALSO TWO FROM RYAN HOMES THAT I'VE GOTTEN UP IN THE SAME AREA, NORTH OF TRAILS PARKWAY.
AND IS IT WHERE EXISTING RESIDENTS ARE? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IF WE FOCUS ON WHAT THE SPECIFIC PROBLEM IS, MAYBE WE WON'T MAKE IT SO WIDESPREAD THAT WE HANDCUFFED HERSELF.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAID A NEW MILL AT THE BEGINNING.
YOU CAN LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM FOR ALL THESE YEARS, BUT SUMMARIES AND IT'S LATELY.
I START GETTING ALL THESE CALLS ON SATURDAYS AND IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT ISN'T THIS ONE BIG PROBLEM.
MR. CONAWAY, HOW MANY HOMES ARE DR.
HORTON BUILDING NEXT TO EXISTING HOMES OFF OF ROUTE 40 20? AND HOW MANY HOMES HAVE THEY BUILT IN TOTAL? AND IS THAT SOME OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THAT HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH CEMENT TRUCKS AND SO ON? YES.
IT'S A LOT OF WINDBROOK CAUSE IT'S THIS BAD.
THAT WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION HAD TO TAKE PLACE, UH, BY ACCESSING THE NEW AREA THROUGH TWO SHORT STREETS OF THE OLD AREA.
SO, SO IT'S BASICALLY ONE BUILDER, CORRECT? WE KNOW THEIR TELEPHONE NUMBER, THEIR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS.
AND WE CAN NOTIFY THEM THAT WAY.
COULD WE? NOT THAT WE HAVE, YES, BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO KEEP DOING IT EARLIER THAN WHAT I TELL THEM.
AND SO THE RESIDENTS CALL THE POLICE.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THEY'VE CONTINUED FOR HOW LONG, HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS? PERHAPS A LITTLE LONGER.
WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A PROBLEM WHEN WE WERE BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF CENTER STREET, IT'S WHEN WE MOVED OVER ON THE EAST SIDE AND IT HAPPENED ALMOST TO START AS SOON AS WE STARTED BUILDING BACK THERE NEXT TO THE NEXT TO THE EXISTING HOMES.
BECAUSE NOT ONLY WERE WE BUILDING, BUILDING NEXT TO THEM, WE WERE DRIVING DOWN THEIR STREET TO GET TO THE, TO THE NEW LODZ AND IT WAS COMPOUNDED WITH SOME INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
CAUSE WE WERE, THE BUILDERS STARTED BUILDING IN THE FIRST PHASE OF SECTION THREE AND I WAS FINISHING THE SECOND PHASE OF SECTION THREE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
AND MARK, I APPRECIATE THE BASKETBALL HOOP ISSUE, BUT HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU GO OUT AND TELL THE SAME RESIDENT ABOUT THEIR BASKETBALL HOOP UNTIL YOU RAMPED UP MORE THAN JUST A LETTER? YEAH.
THEY JUST GET THAT ONE WARNING IN SO MANY DAYS TO REMOVE IT.
IF WE GET IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THROUGH OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM, THE ABILITY TO SEE THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A WARNING, THEN THEY CAN BE CITED.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T RECALL MANY TIMES I HAVEN'T CHECKED THEM.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO CITE SOMEBODY BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY, THEY FOLLOW THAT ORDINANCE.
THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND THIS ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT MUST BE A PRETTY BIG ISSUE OR WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR FIVE MONTHS.
HAVE YOU CITED ANYONE FOR VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE? NO.
WE'VE GIVEN VERBAL WARNINGS AND IT CONTINUES.
UM, I KNOW WHEN THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WAS HERE, UH, WHEN LEXINGTON PLACE WAS, UM, CONTINUING TO GROW, UM, I FILLED IN A LOT OF CONCERNS DOWN IN THAT AREA THAT WAS FORWARDED OUT, UH, THROUGH ZONING, THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN CITY HALL PERSONALLY TO CONVEY THOSE RESIDENTS AS WELL.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S JUST TARGETED TO WARD, TO, UH, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL MEMBER WEBER HAD ALLUDED TO, I BELIEVE WE HAVE OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION OPPORTUNITIES THAT, UH, THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING FORWARD.
UH, AND, AND VARIOUS AREAS OF THE CITY.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE AND GET REALLY AHEAD OF THIS.
UM, MY PROPOSAL STILL STANDS 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, UM, EXCLUDING, UM, SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, CONSTRUCTION, UM, UH, AND MAINTENANCE NOISE IS INCLUDED IN THAT, UM, UH, IN THAT ORDINANCE, MARK AND MARK, IF WE GO TO THAT, WILL THAT CHANGE THINGS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU GUYS WILL THEN, UM, TAKE WHATEVER ACTION TO CAUSE THAT, WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE CONFUSION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS IT WASN'T THE BUILDER
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THAT WAS OUT THERE.IT WAS THE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
AND THEN WHO DO YOU SITE, DO YOU CITE THE WORKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE WHO HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT ORDINANCE EXISTED? OR DO YOU CITE THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE SUB CONTRACTING COMPANY THAT SENT THEM OUT THERE TO WORK? OR DO YOU DECIDE THE BUILDER WHO HIRED THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON SCENE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS IS, IS LIKE WHEN RUSS AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBCONTRACT SUBCONTRACTORS COMING OUT.
UM, IT WAS LIKE, WELL, WHO DO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WARN THE BUILDER, BUT THE BUILDER IS NOT EVEN THERE.
AND THE BUILDERS HIRED ALL THESE SUBCONTRACTORS TO COME OUT.
SO WHO YOU CITED? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW JERRY, I MEAN, IS THERE A DEFENSE TO, IF I'M WORKING OUT THERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT MY BOSS, HE OWNS A SUB CONTRACTING COMPANY SENT ME HERE, IS THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY THEN TO KNOW IT.
NO, IT'S, UH, THIS PARTICULAR LAW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS ACTUALLY IT'S IN OUR GENERAL OFFENSE CODE AND IT'S DISTURBING THE PEACE, THE PERSON DOING IT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION IS NUMBER 10 OUT OF 14, DIFFERENT DISTURBING THE PEACE TYPE OF PROVISIONS.
AND THIS ONE DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH MAKING NOISE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
AND SO IT'S IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE PERSON WITH THE BOOM BOX, WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
AND THE SAME PROVISION IS, IS THE PERSON WITH NO MUFFLERS SITTING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT DISTURBING THE PEACE PROVISIONS AND THE PERSON THAT IS DISTURBING, THE PEACE IS THE PERSON WHO GETS CITED.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WHEN MR. CAMPBELL WAS ASKING ABOUT CITING, POTENTIALLY THE PERSON WHO PULLED THE PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE ONES DISTURBING THE PEACE.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY MYS, BUT THEN JUST TO MR. SHAW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE NOISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU, YOU, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT OUR CODE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE OF A REHAUL OF OUR DISTURBING, THE PEACE SECTION.
CAUSE WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH TRUCK SITTING OUTSIDE IDLING WITH THE ENGINE EXHAUST COMING OUT, THAT'S IN THERE, AND THAT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL IF IT'S BETWEEN CERTAIN HOURS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF NOISES.
SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF THESE THINGS COVERED, NOT EVERYTHING IS BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10:00 PM.
SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NOISES ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE REAL QUESTION.
I THINK FOR US, IF I UNDERSTAND MR. BERGMAN IS REALLY SATURDAY, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT HOUSES ON SATURDAY? YES.
NOW, IF SO, WHEN I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE AT, AT LEAST THAT'S MY IMPRESSION OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE MAIN ISSUE IS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I THINK RICHARD, WHAT YOU SUGGESTED TOOK CARE OF BOTH THOSE ISSUES, CORRECT? PILED ON SATURDAY FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT.
UH, EIGHT TO EIGHT, UM, EXCLUDING THE HOLIDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
SO THAT WAY, CAUSE WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT NOW.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER WEB OF WHAT THE LAW DIRECTOR SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT STUFF IN THERE FOR MAINTENANCE NOISE.
TAKE THAT OUT OF MY, UM, MY SUGGESTION AND CALL IT A RENT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO ALLOWING SATURDAY AND EIGHT EIGHT? WELL, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S NOT, UH, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM, WE'RE HAVING THE ISSUE WITH, OR WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH IS NOTIFICATION AND ENFORCEMENT.
SO IF, IF WE GOT A RULE THAT, UH, THE SPEED LIMIT ON TROY'S 35, BUT NOBODY'S DOING 35, EVERYBODY'S DOING 50.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SOLUTION IS LET'S CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 50 SINCE EVERYBODY'S DOING 50.
SO YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING SATURDAY, KEEPING IT THE WAY I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULDN'T INCLUDE A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME FOR SATURDAY, I GUESS, WHERE I'M JUST POINTING OUT IS THE FACT THAT THE ISSUE CURRENTLY IS NOT BEING CAUSED BY, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS ALLOWED BECAUSE EVEN WHEN WE TOLD A PARTICULAR GROUP, HEY, YOU CAN COME WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU COME OUT HERE AT NINE O'CLOCK, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
IT WAS STILL PUSHED AND THEY CAME IN EARLIER AND EARLIER, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE, AGAIN, THE THUMBING OF THE NOSE AT THE, AT THE RULE IS THE ISSUE, NOT THE TIMEFRAME BECAUSE I, I JUST HAVE A FEELING IF WE, OKAY, WELL WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT EIGHT TO EIGHT ON SATURDAY.
WELL, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT BEING PUSHED BECAUSE IT'S BEING PUSHED RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, IT'S NOTIFICATION TO MAYBE THE GENERALS AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MAYBE AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, MAYBE KEN MENTIONED MAY COME IN FOR A PERMIT.
THEY GET, OKAY, HERE'S A COPY OF, THESE ARE THE HOURS WE WANT YOU TO LET YOU KNOW, AS WELL THAT THESE ARE ENFORCED BY THE
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WAY.UM, AND, AND JERRY, IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, PUT THAT ONUS ON THE PERSON, PULLING THE PERMIT TO SAY, HEY, IF, UH, ON YOUR SITE, UM, THIS ORDINANCE IS VIOLATED, THAT'S COMING BACK TO YOU.
SO YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SUBS ARE, UM, I'M LOOKING AT, I WROTE DOWN TO LOOK AT THAT FOR COUNSEL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE DISTURBING THE PEACE.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER KIND OF SOMETHING IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ABOUT HOURS OF WORK TO APPLY TO THE BUILDER.
SO, CAUSE I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU COULD HOLD, HOLD SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF ANOTHER PERSON.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT COMES INTO HER.
YOU KNOW, AND THE CHIEF SAYS TO ME, IF, IF, IF WE'RE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS, THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE FRONTLINE PEOPLE, THE OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND ENFORCE THE RULE.
SO IF WE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THEN THAT'S WHAT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE POLICE WILL DO.
ENFORCEMENT'S GOING TO BE KEY BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE AS A BODY, MAYBE NOT US, BUT THIS BODY DECIDED THAT THESE WERE THE HOURS THAT THEY WERE WANTED WORKED HAPPENED FROM MONDAY TO FRIDAY, 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
AND THEN IF WE COME IN BECAUSE IT'S BEING PUSHED AND WE GO, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADD SATURDAY, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO STAND FAST ON SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, TWO YEARS NOW ARE WE OPENED IT UP SUNDAYS AND THEY, BECAUSE THAT'S BEING VIOLATED, IT'S BEING PUSHED.
AND THEN NOW ENFORCEMENT IS THE ISSUE, I THINK NOTIFICATION AND THEIR FORCED, BUT THE PROPOSAL THE RICHARD'S MADE IS SATURDAYS FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT.
SO WHAT I WAS ASKING IS, ARE YOU, ARE YOU OBJECTING TO THAT AND SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T WANT ON SATURDAYS? I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM? WELL, IT COULD BE A REASONABLE COMPROMISE TO SAY THAT WE COULD THROW OUT THE SATURDAY WITH THE SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME.
SO LONG AS WE HAVE A NOTIFICATION PROCESS AND ENFORCEMENT PROCESS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS ADHERED BY OTHERWISE WE'VE DONE NOTHING.
WE'VE, WE'VE WASTED A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME CHATTING.
WHAT'S THE POINT WHY WE'RE HERE? UH, CLARIFICATION.
WHEN JERRY READ THE, UM, THE LAW, IT JUST SAID GENERAL CONSTRUCTION NOISE IS THERE IS THIS, DOES THIS, I HAVEN'T READ THE ORDINANCE, BUT IS THIS ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY STATE CONTRACTORS OR IS IT JUST GENERAL CONSTRUCTION NOISE? BECAUSE MY, MY QUESTION IS MANY OF IN THE OLDER AREAS WHO AREN'T HAVING HOMES BUILT, BUT WE DO CONSTRUCTION WORK SUCH AS IF I'M AT, BECAUSE I'M WORKING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY IS MY DAY TO GO IN MY BACKYARD AND SAUL DOWN TREES AND DO WHAT ROOFING DO HOUSE REPAIR, WHATEVER.
IT'S IT'S, IT CAN BE LOUD AND IT CAN, DOES MY, CAN MY NEIGHBOR THEN CAN I GET CITED FOR MAKING THINGS? SO IF YOU'RE CHANGING THIS LAW TO NOT INCLUDING SATURDAYS, IT'S IT DOESN'T HAVE.
UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU, I MEAN, IT DOES INCLUDE SATURDAYS RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, BUT NOW, BUT IT CAN DO WHERE MY NEIGHBOR AND I CAN GET CITED IF THEY COME ON THAT.
BUT I MEAN, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT'S, IF THIS LAW IS JUST SPECIFICALLY, MY THING IS, IS IT, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION.
IS IT FOR CONTRACTORS AND BUSINESS, THOSE WHO ARE DOING PERMIT WORK OR IS IT JUST GENERAL NOISE? WHERE A HOMEOWNER WHO DOES THEIR OWN CONSTRUCTION WORK IS THIS APPLIES TO THEM.
I WAS USING CONSTRUCTION NOISE JUST GENERAL.
IT'S ACTUALLY IT, WHAT IT'S STATES IS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING HERE, THE ERECTION, INCLUDING EXCAVATING, DEMOLITION, ALTERATION, OR REPAIR OF ANY BUILDING, OTHER THAN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SEVEN AND 10:00 PM ON BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT CLEAR WHO'S DOING IT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SOME, YOU HAVE LOTS OF HOMEOWNERS WHO WORK AND DO THEIR OWN REPAIRS, WHO I KNOW NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THE LAW.
SO IF I'M DOING SOMETHING ON A SATURDAY AND THEY COME OUT AND SAY, I WAS JUST TELLING FOLKS, I HAVE, I HAVE SOME PETTY NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CALL AND COMPLAIN, I HAD NO CLUE THAT THIS WOULD BE AN, A WARNING, BUT THEN THAT WOULD RESTRICT ON TIMES OF PEOPLE WHO DO WORK DURING THE WEEK DAYS, AND SATURDAY IS THEIR ONLY TIME TO DO REPAIRS.
SO JUST TAKING THAT ENCOUNTER WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IN A SATURDAY TO MAYBE THINK OF SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE IN THE OLDER, ALREADY BUILT SUBDIVISIONS, WHO ARE, UM, WHO, WHO DO WORK DURING THE WEEKDAY AND NEED TO DO CONSTRUCTION WORK AND STUFF DURING THE, ON A SATURDAY.
SO, I MEAN, I'M, I TRY NOT TO DO IT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING, BUT YEAH.
SO I THINK A REASONABLE TIME IS REASONABLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDING SATURDAY TO, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO, WHO DON'T HAVE TIME AVAILABLE DURING THE WEEK.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET A CLARIFICATION CAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE LAW IS ACTUALLY COVERED.
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TECHNICALLY JERRY AND THE OLDER SECTION IN WARD FIVE, A HOME NEEDS A NEW ROOF.ARE THEY ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT NEW ROOF INSTALLED ON A SATURDAY? AND AGAIN, WHAT THIS IS, IS WHAT IS MAKING THE TITLE OF THIS IS ACTUALLY WITH DISTURBING THE PEACE AND NO PERSON SHALL DISTURBED THE GOOD ORDER AND QUIET OF THE CITY.
AND THEN IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ACTS ARE DECLARED TO BE UNREASONABLE AND UNNECESSARY NOISES AND VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LAUNDRY LIST.
AND NUMBER 10 IS THE ERECTION DEMOLITION, ALTERATION, OR REPAIR OF A BUILDING OTHER THAN BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 10:00 PM ON WEEKDAYS.
SO BASICALLY THEY'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE FIXING UP YOUR HOME BEFORE 7:00 AM AND AFTER 10:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU'RE DISTURBING THE PEACE POTENTIALLY, BUT THEN THE OTHER TIME.
SO WHEN IN WARD FIVE ON A SATURDAY, YOUR HOUSE NEEDS A NEW ROOF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION.
AND THAT IF SOMEBODY IS DISTURBED BY IT, YES, GOOD.
THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BECAUSE I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU, UM, THE GARBAGE COMPANY DOES SHOW UP BEFORE SIX O'CLOCK OR SIX 30 IN THE MORNING.
AND THAT'S ALSO IN THE SAME ORDINANCE.
UH, I DO MOST MY CONSTRUCTION ON THE WEEKENDS AND ON HOLIDAYS.
NOW, WHEN YOU START DISCUSSING AND EXCLUDING HOLIDAYS, WHICH HOLIDAYS, CAUSE HALF THE HOLIDAYS ARE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
IT'S ONLY FOLLOWED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO MOST MY CONSTRUCTION HAS ALWAYS DONE BECAUSE I GET HOME LATE.
SO THE WEEKENDS ARE THE ONLY TIME I HAVE TO WORK ON MY YARD, MY HOUSE, AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF IN HERE.
UM, THE CHILDREN'S SINGING CAN NOT START UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
HOW MANY KIDS SING AT THE BUS STOPS? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HALF THE STUFF WAS IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE WHOLE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND GONE THROUGH NOT JUST A SECTION THAT DEALS WITH THE, UM, CONTRACTORS, CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS CONTRACTOR, HAVE WE GOT, SO WE JUST HAD A YEAR'S WORTH OF ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
DID WE EVER GET TO
THEY DID, UH, REVIEW, UH, MR. BERGMAN'S PROPOSAL AND, UH, DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGE.
SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE RUN A MARATHON.
WE'RE JUST RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED.
I HAVE TO, I YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON SOME, HERE'S SOMETHING MARY, IF, IF WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE YEAR AND THIS WAS TOTALLY REVIEWED.
AND IF WHAT I HEARD TONY DOES SAY, AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, MR. BERGMAN BROUGHT THIS SAME EXACT PROCESS TO THEM AND THEY SAID, NO CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE.
AND THAT WAS A BODY OF CITIZENS AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SAID THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO ANYTHING.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU JUST SAY, MR. ROGERS? THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK SOME OF THAT WAS INFLUENCED BY SOME OF THE RESIDENT CONCERNS THAT MR. BERKMAN AND MR. WEBB REFERRED TO, WELL, IT'S JUST CHANGED THE WHOLE BALL GAME.
HOWEVER THOUGH, I TAKE IT ALL THAT ASIDE.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M TRYING TO REEL THIS BACK INTO AT LEAST SOME ASPECT I'M STILL SITTING WITH MY PROPOSAL.
WE PROBABLY MAY NEED TO TAKE A FURTHER LOOK INTO THIS.
SO THAT WAY WE'RE SOLVING AT LEAST THE ISSUE AT HAND.
AND THEN LET'S, UH, LET'S TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT REACTING TO SOME COMPLAINTS AT THIS POINT THAT WOULD HAVE BIGGER ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE WRONG THING TO DO.
I THINK MAYBE WE DO NEED TO GET SPECIFIC OR ADD SOMETHING INTO THE CODE THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION REMODEL.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE CERTAINLY NEED TO DIG INTO A DEEPER, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE, WHEN COUNCILMAN CHARLES BROUGHT BEFORE US, I DO WANT TO DEFER TO A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT OUT HERE WHO SAID THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK IS SOMEWHAT LATE OF A START TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, CAN YOU MENTION SEVEN 30? UM, NOT TO QUIBBLE OVER CONSTRUCTION HOURS, BUT IF SEVEN 30 TO SEVEN 30 WORKS BETTER THAN EIGHT TO EIGHT.
I WOULDN'T HAVE A BEEF WITH THAT.
WELL, I WAS THINKING WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT STEPPING BACK AND REVIT BECAUSE YOU'RE GREAT.
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I WAS WRONG.YOU DO ISSUE A GRADING PERMIT.
SO THAT'S A PERMIT THAT YOU PASS OUT.
AND THAT GRADING PERMIT SAYS RIGHT ON IT THAT THIS CITY ENGINEER CAN ALLOW FOR A VARIATION OF TIME.
SO DNM OPERATES UNDER GRADING PERMITS THAT ALLOWS THEM THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THEIR FORMER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO START AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
NOW, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PERMIT, IT PROBABLY SAYS THE SEVEN O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER IS LISTED ON IT, BUT THE CITY ENGINEER HAD DISCRETION.
SO IN THAT, IN THAT INDUSTRY, AND FOR THE MOST PART, OTHER THAN THAT ONE WINDBROOK SECTION, WE WERE FAR AWAY FROM PEOPLE AND THAT'S AN INDUSTRY THAT TRIES TO GET FOUR, 10 HOUR DAYS.
AND WHEN THE WEATHER IS, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION SEASON BUILT OUT.
SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT BROUGHT OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WORK HOURS, YOU KNOW, AT FACE VALUE.
BUT I DO THINK IF YOU'RE SETTING HOURS, SEVEN 30 IS PROBABLY MUCH CLOSER TO AN INDUSTRY STANDARD OF STARTING TIME THAN THE EIGHT O'CLOCK IS I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR 30 MINUTES AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY THEY'RE GIVING ME A MAJORITY OBJECTION OR MAJORITY APPROVAL OF, ARE WE GONNA ALLOW WORK ON SATURDAY? OH, I SAID, YES.
I THINK I, HOPEFULLY I, YES, FOR SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND HOLIDAYS AND COUNCIL MEMBER WEB, TO YOUR POINT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, MAKING THE ADJUSTMENT, UH, TO SEVEN 30 AS A START TIME SINCE WE ARE REELING BACK FROM 10:00 PM TO 8:00 PM.
I THINK THAT'S A, UH, A COMPROMISE PLUS WE'RE ADDING SATURDAY AND SATURDAY, SO YEAH, I CAN GET BEHIND.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK IN ANOTHER WAY, IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO 7 32.
ON SATURDAYS, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, EXCLUDING SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS PUTTING SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS.
AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT, OR DO WE WANT TO REVIEW THIS? I KNOW ORDINANCE COMMISSION DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES, BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS.
OR DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THIS IN WHOLE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BEFORE WE REACT AND THEN MAYBE DO SOMETHING THAT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WE WISH WE DIDN'T DO.
UM, SO HOWEVER THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
MA'AM IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE REVIEW GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN? ARE THEY MEETING THE REST OF THE YEAR? SO THIS WOULD BE A JEW.
THIS IS GOING TO KICK IT TO JANUARY.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING ORDINANCE? THAT'S ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS IT'S ALREADY DONE AND WE'RE DONE, LET'S NOT KICK IT TO 10 YEARS.
SO YEAH, WE, WE THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO SATURDAYS CHANGING THE SATURDAY FROM SEVEN 30 TO EIGHT.
OR DO WE WANT TO REVIEW THIS FURTHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT AMONGST THE OTHER, THE OTHER CODES OR THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE? DON, CAN WE HAVE, UM, OUR LEGAL GUY DOWN THERE AT THE END, UM, DRAFT SOMETHING FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT JERRY, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? UM, AND THE WAY YOU SAY THAT, LIKE 45 MINUTES AGO, AND I'M, WE'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS AN ORDINANCE.
AND WE DID DISCUSS AT LENGTH, MR. BERGMANN SUGGESTION TO ADD SATURDAYS ORDINANCE REVIEW LOOKED AT US AND WE DETERMINED, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR COUNCILMAN OTTO, BUT WE DETERMINED THAT THE ENFORCEMENT WAS THE REAL ISSUE BEHIND US.
UH, IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT WE SAY, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE IT.
THE SECOND PART WAS REGARD TO THE, THE HOLIDAYS.
THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WITH THAT, SIR.
AND THAT IS THE DEFINITION SECTION.
SO HOLIDAYS AS DESCRIBED IN OUR ORDINANCES, UH, THE HOLIDAYS ARE A DEFINED SET OF HOLIDAYS WITH REGARD TO CITY ACTIVITIES.
SO ORDINANCES ALL KIND OF MESHED TOGETHER.
AND, UH, UH, THAT'S WHY IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GO THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE REVIEW.
BUT DURING ORDINANCE REVIEW, WE DID, WE DID COVER THAT AND, UH, UNDERSTOOD WHAT, YOU KNOW, A HOLIDAY MEANT TO THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE OR ANY OTHER ONE, DO YOU? YEAH, I W NOTHING REALLY TOO MUCH TO ADD TO THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT I BELIEVE SEVEN THIRTIES IS TOO EARLY, IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND AGAIN, I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON NOTIFICATION AND ENFORCEMENT CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE BACK WHERE WE WERE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ALLOWED NINE O'CLOCK AND THAT WASN'T ADHERED TO.
SO IF WE ALLOW SEVEN 30, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ADHERED TO IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROPER NOTIFICATION AND ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
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I WOULDN'T, I WOULD BE WILLING TO JUMP ON REASONABLE SATURDAY HOURS IF THE, IF WE HAD ALONG ATTACHED TO THAT PROPER NOTIFICATION PROCESS AND ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.UM, OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S JUST, AGAIN, WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE WERE BEFORE AND IT JUST DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
JERRY, CAN YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US FOR THE DECEMBER 7TH WORK SESSION? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
I LIKE THAT CLARIFICATION THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE FOR MONDAY AND OBJECTION TO, UH, HAVING SOMETHING TO REVIEW ON DECEMBER THE SEVENTH.
[ Jonetta Street Pump Station and Sanitary Sewer Extension - Award Contract]
IS ITEM THREE, G THE JURY STREET PUMP STATION SANITARY, SEWER EXTENSION AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, MR. BERGMAN.UM, JANETTA STREET WAS DISCUSSED, UH, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
I HAD BROUGHT TO YOU AN S UH, SOME, UM, OPTIONS AT THAT POINT.
AND, UH, YOU HAD DECIDED TO GO ALONG WITH POSSIBLY INSTALLING A SANITARY GRAVITY SEWER, UM, BETWEEN THE HOUSES INTO THE BACK TO BRANDON VIEW BEHIND JANETTA, IT'S CALLED A SAC, UH, TO SERVICE THOSE THREE HOUSES WITH SANITARY SEWER.
LIKE I SAID, BY GRAVITY, I HAD, UM, ESTIMATED 84,000, UH, $60.
AND, UH, I GOT THREE WHILE I TRIED TO GET THREE QUOTES.
UH, ONE OF THEM DID NOT SUBMIT A QUOTE, UH, BUT THE LOW WAS DORIS BROTHERS AT $82,450.
THE SECOND ONE, THE LEVEL WAS AT $114,000.
UM, THEY, I DID REQUEST THAT THEY DO A BORING, I DID INCLUDE A MAP IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, UM, BETWEEN THE HOUSES ON BRANDON VIEW COURT.
UH, THEY WILL BORE THAT LINE, UH, UNDERGROUND SO THAT WE WON'T DISTURB THE HOUSES THERE.
AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE THE CONNECTION IN THE STREET AND THEN THE REST, THEY MAY BORE SOME MORE OF IT, OR THEY'LL DO AN OPEN CUT THROUGH THE REST OF THOSE TWO LOTS TO GET TO THE PUMP STATION.
SO I WOULD, UH, I'M ASKING IF COUNCIL WOULD, UH, AGREE TO APPROVE HAVING NURSE BROTHERS, UM, DO THIS PROJECT.
AND WE HAD A, NOT TO EXCEED A $100,000.
UM, ONE OF THE THING, THE THREE RESIDENTS WE DID DISCUSS AND ASSESSMENT ON THOSE THREE RESIDENTS AT THAT TIME.
AND I THINK HALF OF THE COST WOULDN'T BE COVERED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
IF I REMEMBERED IT WAS ME AND 50 50% SPLIT IN THE COST, AND THEN IT WOULD ASSESS THE, THE THREE PROPERTIES.
AND I DID TALK TO THE THIRD PROPERTY OWNER AND HE'S FINE WITH THIS.
ALSO, HE WAS THE ONE PAYING THE ELECTRIC BILL.
SO HE SAID THAT THIS WOULD BE A WASH FOR HIM JUST TO PAY THE EASEMENT COST, PROBABLY.
AND THE QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD, UM, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECT, IS IT 230 FEET THAT'S LOOKING TO BE BOARD, UH, TO, UH, TO BRANDON VIEW FROM THE, UH, OPEN FIELD BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES? YES.
SO HAVE WE S WE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS GOING TO HAPPEN? YES.
AND, AND THEY'RE WELL AWARE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE BORED AND THERE MAY BE SOME DISRUPTION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NOTIFICATION BEEN PUT OUT THERE.
I'M COMPLETELY FINE MOVING THIS FORWARD.
AND THE DISCUSSION, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD TO MONDAY? AND THANK YOU.
[ 2022 City Budget]
THREE H WHICH IS THE 2022 CITY BUDGET.MR. MAYOR, THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR THE 2022, UH, ANNUAL APPROPRIATION.
WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, ADVANCE THIS TO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR FINAL ADOPTION AND DISCUSSION.
UH, BRIAN AND LOOKING AT THE PACKET, WE HAVE THE REVENUE AND BUDGET ESTIMATES AND EXPENSE BUDGET SUMMARY, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN, UH, FOR, UH, ITEMIZED PROJECTS.
SO LIKE JUST THE ENGINEERING, SINCE WE HAVE RUSS HERE, UM, THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING IN ENGINEERING FOR THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, WHAT DO THOSE PROJECTS GO TO? UH, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT AT LEAST I'M USED TO AND, UM, IN PREVIOUS BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I KNOW STAFF HAS IT, BUT I JUST KNOW IT'S NOT BEEN PASSED FORWARD.
UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T ASKED, UM, THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, IS THAT GOING, IS THAT EXPENSE IN THIS BUDGET FOR BUILDING AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT? SO WE DID NOT BUDGET AN EXPENSE FOR THE FACILITY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY A FINAL LOCATION.
SO WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THAT NOW, AND WE ARE UTILIZING EXISTING LINE ITEM EXPENSES WITHIN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT.
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A SITE AND WE BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE BEST LOCATION, WE WILL COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH A MORE ROBUST PROJECT, WHICH, UH, WITH A MORE ROBUST BUDGET FOR THAT, WHICH WOULD EITHER BE A SUPPLEMENTAL FOR 20, 22, OR WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO 20, 23 OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET.AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP IN A LINE LINE ITEM IN A SPREADSHEET THAT I COULD HAVE READ, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I HAVE, UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT PERSONNEL FOR PUBLIC WORKS, AND SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT.
AND, UH, THE INFORMATION HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT BACK, UM, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD, UM, FIREFIGHTING STAFFING IS THE SAME.
UM, AND I BELIEVE SCOTT SAID IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, HE REFERRED TO, UH, SOME OF THE ITEMS AND, UH, DISCUSSED ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TOPICS.
UM, ONE OF SPECIFICALLY WAS ADDING ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, UH, PERHAPS THE EICHELBERGER AMPHITHEATER AND, UH, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER.
UH, SO THOSE WOULD BE INSTEAD OF A PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET AND MONEY GOES THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE LINE ITEMS. UH, I THINK OUR ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET WOULD HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS INSTEAD OF JUST MONEY INTO THE PUB OR A PARKS AND REC BUDGET.
SO, UH, WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST MEETING POST SCOTT FALKOWSKI.
SO TO UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST THAT YOU'RE MAKING IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THE LINE ITEM BUDGET, WHICH ALLOCATES, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PUBLIC WORKS.
AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT $30,000 OF THAT IS GOING TO MATERIAL AND $10,000 OF THAT IS GOING TO, UH, CONTRACTORS AND $15,000 OF THAT IS GOING TO FUEL.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THAT PARTICULAR BREAKDOWN.
I THINK THE BREAKDOWN WAS WHAT WAS THE PROJECT FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO IF WE HAVE A, IF WE HAVE A RESURFACING OF A PARKING LOT IN ONE OF OUR PARKS, SO IN THE ENGINEERING BUDGET, WE HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING FOR THAT PROJECT.
SO LIKE, UM, UH, DIAL PARK WE HAVE, OR, UM, MANITA FIELD PARK, UH, IT WOULD BE RESURFACING.
SO, UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, YES, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE DETAILED ON THE CAPITAL ITEMS, CAPITAL ITEMS, BUT EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, IT HAS PERSONNEL, IT HAS ALL OF OUR EXPENSES BROKE DOWN TO WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.
ONE, WE HAVE CURRENTLY JUST HAS, UM, SOME, UH, UH, SOME NUMBERS THAT SHOWS, WHICH IS ALSO VERY GOOD SHOWING A TREND, UM, FOR EX UH, INCOME AND, UH, EXPENSES.
SO ACTUAL REVENUE, 20 16, 20 17, 20 18, THOSE ARE EXCELLENT FOR TRENDS.
AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION, UH, BUT THE, WHERE THE MONEY'S ACTUALLY GOING NEXT YEAR.
UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
AND SIR, ARE YOU REFERRING TO INFORMATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AS OPPOSED TO MATERIAL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET? IT'S A LITTLE BIT GENERAL POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO GENERAL.
I'M NOT REFERRING TO THE ONE WE GAVE, SIR.
THE PREVIOUS THAT YOU, YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU WERE USED TO SEEING, OH, UH, IS THAT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT INFORMATION, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE, A SEPARATE ITEM, BUT WE USE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT, UM, PROJECTS TO PUT INTO THE BUDGET, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED INFORMATION TO COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE RAN INTO, UM, IN PRESENTING BEING ABLE TO PRESENT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL THIS YEAR, UH, WAS THAT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL PRIOR TO MARCH OF THIS YEAR WAS TIED TO, UH, THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER'S PERSONAL DEVICE.
SO THEY WERE DOCUMENTS WHICH WERE CREATED ON HIS DEVICE AND THEN SUBJECT TO HIS DEPARTURE.
ALL OF THE FILES ON THAT DEVICE WERE, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU'LL RECALL.
UM, MR. SCHOMER, UM, WAS ABLE TO KEEP HIS PERSONAL DEVICE AND, OR THE DEVICES THAT HE WAS USING FOR WORK.
AND HE WAS SEPARATED FROM THE NETWORK AND BECAUSE THE FORMULAS THAT WERE USED TO CREATE THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE
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ASSOCIATED WITH HIS DEVICE, WHILE WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE INFORMATION HE WAS ABLE TO GENERATE, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MANIPULATE IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.SO WE CUT AND PASTE EVERY YEAR FROM THAT.
SO WHILE WE HAVE ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HE WAS ABLE TO CREATE, THAT YOU HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REPLICATE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GENERATE THE FORMULAS TO, TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, BECAUSE WE DON'T WORK, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THE AUTHORS OF THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S THE BETTER WAY TO SAY IT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THE AUTHORS OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND HE IS, THE AUTHOR IS NO LONGER ON THE SYSTEM.
WE COULD NOT REPLICATE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
SO WE'VE HAD TO COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT WAYS TO PRESENT FOR AT LEAST IN 2022.
AND SO WE WILL GO BACK AND REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, BOTH IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FORMAT, AS WELL AS IN THE WRITTEN MATERIAL.
AND WE WILL ASSEMBLE WHAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF PUTTING TOGETHER TO GIVE YOU THE DETAIL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, ON THE, UH, WAS THAT THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING, UH, SECTION FIVE APPROPRIATED 2009 POLICE FUND, UH, POLICE PERSONNEL, UH, 8 MILLION, $30,400.
UM, IT JUST DOESN'T SAY HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS THAT'S PAYING FOR.
AND I KNOW THAT'S IN SOME WAY RELATED, WELL, NOT IN SOME WAY, IT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ORG CHART, OF COURSE.
UM, BY THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, UH, FESTS ARE WE PLANNING ON SPENDING IN THEIR BUDGET NEXT YEAR TO PAY FOR AND REPLACE HOW MANY SQUAD CARS ARE WE, UH, PLANNING ON PAYING FOR AND REPLACING NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF ITEMIZED, UM, BUDGET PROCESS IS WHAT, UH, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UH, I THINK THAT, YES, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND WE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW AND EVALUATE WHAT WE HAVE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION THAT SHOULD ADDRESS MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUT TOGETHER AND PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT'S NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, RICHARD? THANK YOU.
UM, UH, A WHILE BACK THIS COUNCIL HAD A TASK, UM, WITH A REVIEW OF THE, UH, WATER LINING PROGRAM, UM, THE, UH, ONGOING WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT CHALLENGE WAS INITIATED, UH, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND YOUR DEPARTMENT ON, UM, BOOSTING, UM, THE BUDGETARY AMOUNTS TO COMBAT THOSE ISSUES.
UM, UH, AND I BELIEVE MR. CAMPBELL MIGHT, AM I CORRECT IN THOSE STATEMENTS AND THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? YES.
UM, RUSS, CAN YOU GIVE A COUNCIL, UH, AN UPDATE TODAY ON, UH, ON THAT DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN AND, UM, WHERE THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN INITIATED IN THIS BUDGET? UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE BUDGET TWO PROJECTS FOR WATER ONCE FOR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT ONCE FOR, UH, THE WATER MAIN LINING, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE.
UM, THE WATER MAIN LINING IS, IS AT $1 MILLION.
UH, THE WATER, THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IS A 400,000.
WE APPLIED FOR FUNDING AND GOT FUNDING FOR THAT.
UH, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT FOR NEXT YEAR.
I, WE DID NOT UP ANYMORE ON THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE DOING MORE LININGS AND, AND, UH, UP THE BUDGET ON THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT SAID SET A 1 MILLION AND RUSS, I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, THAT BREAKDOWN, UM, MAYOR, I PERSONALLY FIND IT, UM, UH, I GUESS I'LL BE FRANK A BIT UNACCEPTABLE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING MORE WITHIN OUR BUDGET TO COMBAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE 5 0 1 FUND BALANCE OR THE 5 0 1 FUND WATER FUND NUMBERS, OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL FROM 2021 TO 2022, THAT THIS COUNCIL IS REVIEWING AND PAST, UM, THERE IS BARELY AN EXCESS OF $300,000 DIFFERENCE.
NOW I KNOW THAT'S JUST ONE SECTION WE'LL FUND THAT TO LOOK AT.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE NUMEROUS WATER MAIN BREAKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT THIS CITY IS IN DIRE NEEDS OF DOING THE FACT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A BOATLOAD OF MONEY, UM, OVER THE PAST YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING, UM, UH, FROM THE PRESIDENT'S INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLID PLAN TODAY, NOT A WEEK FROM NOW, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD MONTHS AGO AND PLAN FOR, FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND ITS BUSINESSES AS WELL TO SUSTAIN, UM, VIABILITY.
UM, SO MY REQUEST IS EITHER WE GOT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
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UM, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING THIS BUDGET AN INCH FURTHER UNTIL INFRASTRUCTURE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, DETAILED.AND A PLAN OF ACTION WAS PUT IN PLACE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS A SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF WHAT A PLAN WAS PUT INTO PLACE BACK IN 2019, WHEN MYSELF, MR. OTTO AND COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL ASKED FOR A 25% INCREASE IN OUR INTERNAL STREETS PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT, UH, I'M CHALLENGING STAFF.
AND I ASKED COUNCIL TO GET BEHIND ME TO REWORK THE INFRASTRUCTURE NUMBERS.
I WANT TO SEE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING GOING THROUGH THIS, OR I WILL BE A NO VOTE ON THIS BUDGET UNTIL THAT'S DONE.
UM, MAYOR, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE LINING OF THE WATER MAIN PROJECTS.
UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL FUNDING WITHIN THE CITY, UH, FUNDS.
SO HAS, HAS THAT ANALYSIS BEEN DONE OR COMPLETED? DID WE IDENTIFY, UH, OTHER FUNDS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY USE, UH, FOR THE WATER MAIN W RELINING LINING REALIGNING, UH, MINOR PROJECTS AT THIS POINT? DOES IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH.
SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED WITH THAT.
UM, RUSS OR JIM, EXCUSE ME, FINANCE QUESTION.
JIM, DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL, DO WE HAVE FUNDS IN THE CITY THAT WE CAN USE, UH, FOR THE WATER LINING PROJECT AND THEN INCREASE THAT IN THE BUDGET? WELL, AS THE BUDGET STANDS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.
THERE'S ALREADY A PLAN TO REDUCTION IN THE WATER FUND BALANCE BY ABOUT A 1,700,000 FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO DEEPER INTO THE CARRY OVER FUNDS IN THE WATER FUND, YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER REVENUE SOURCE, UNLESS WE WERE TO LOOK INTO A POSSIBLE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OR, OKAY.
UM, I WAS THINKING A TIF DISTRICT, ONE OF THE TIF FUNDS, I THINK THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED TO LOOK AT THAT, HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO UTILIZE, UH, ONE OF THE TIF FUNDS IN ORDER TO HELP US INCREASE THAT AMOUNT? WELL, THE, UH, CURRENT TIF FUNDS AS WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WAS, UM, UH, ALL THE TIF FUNDS ARE SET ASIDE AND DESIGNATED TOWARDS DEBT, UM, ALREADY, UH, ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY ON THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
SO, UM, WE, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, BUT, UH, AS I SAID, THE BALANCES ARE ALREADY, UH, DEDICATED FOR THE TIPS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
SO BASICALLY IN LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR ME, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THE TIF FUNDS ARE ALREADY OBLIGATED FOR PROJECTS.
THE ANNUAL REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE TIF FUNDS ARE DEDICATED TOWARDS DEBT, ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
SO THERE'S NO MONEY AVAILABLE IN THE TIF FUNDS FOR THIS, FOR THE WATERLINE PROJECT.
PRESENT TIME, THE BALANCES ARE DEDICATED TO THAT, AS I SAID.
ALL RIGHT, RUSS, AS FAR AS TIF MONEY, I BELIEVE THAT
THE ONLY RESTRICTION I'VE HEARD SPECIFICALLY IS WE CAN'T PAY FIREFIGHTERS AND WE CAN'T PAY, UM, POLICE PERSONNEL WITH TIFFANY.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S BASED ON IF IT'S A BENEFIT IN THE CITY FOR A TIF DISTRICT AND WE'RE ABLE TO USE THAT.
IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING MAYOR? YES.
AND AGAIN, I'M ALWAYS OPEN FOR CORRECTION, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TIF, BUT THANK YOU.
SO RUSS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT, SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CONTINUING THE LINING PROJECT IN THAT, IN THAT SECTION.
DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE, DID WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLAN FOR WHAT 2023 WOULD, WOULD BRING NOT JUST 20, 22, BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT WE WOULD BE LINING OR THE AREAS THAT WE'D BE WORKING ON THE FALL THE FOLLOWING YEAR? AND DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MAP PLOTTED OUT WITH WATER DEFINED AREAS FOR NEXT YEAR TO TRY TO COME UP WITH, WELL, WITH THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE WERE DOING, AND I KNOW AREAS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE AROUND AND GET TO.
SO, UM, 23 IS NOT TYPICALLY DEFINED, BUT I COULD DO IT TOMORROW AND HAVE IT DOWN FOR YOU.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I CAN TELL BY LOOKING
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AT THE MAP WHERE WE NEED TO DO RICHARD, HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH MONEY ADDED TO THE LINING PROJECT FOR IN ADDITION TO THE MILLION DOLLARS YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNING.DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, I MEAN, OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE TO, IN ADDITION TO THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE LIGHTING? I MEAN, JUST GENERAL GENERAL QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK BRANDS THAT COME DOWN TO NUTS AND BOLTS TO WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND TO FIND OUT WHERE WE CAN GET THE MONEY FROM I'M GOING TO YIELD TO MR. CAMPBELL, BECAUSE I THINK HE WAS ABOUT TO ANSWER THAT THE QUESTION.
SO, SO RUSS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE SITTING WIDE YET DOING FOR NEXT YEAR FOR LIFE.
NO, I MEAN, I WAS, I WAS GOING TO CONTINUE DOING AT LEAST A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO UP THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS WE'RE HAVING, THEN I'LL WORK WITH WHATEVER YOU GIVE.
AND IF IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, IT'LL ONLY TAKE US A HUNDRED YEARS TRUE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW BIG THE PROJECT IS AND YOU DON'T IND, COULD YOU FIND OUT THAT WAS WHAT RICHARD AND I, I THINK CHAMPIONED TOGETHER AND WANTED TO FIND OUT IS, IS THE SCOPE AND THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT FIRST AND I'M WITH RICHARD ON THE BUDGET AND I'M AN OLD VOTE ON THE BUDGET IF WE CAN'T ADDRESS OUR CAPITAL ITEMS. UH, AND WE NEED TO, AS I SPOKE EARLY IN THE MEETING, WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERY WAY WE CAN CUT COSTS, SAVE MONEY, UH, WORK SMARTER.
AND WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW BIG IT IS AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
I THINK ONCE WE FIND OUT HOW BIG IT IS, WE CAN DETERMINE HOW FAST REASONABLY, UH, WE SHOULD ASSESS AND MAKE SURE THE CHANGES TAKE PLACE.
RIGHT? SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE INTERIOR STREETS PROGRAM ORIGINALLY, UH, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS ABOUT A 14 TO 15 YEAR PROJECT.
IF WE DID SO MANY LANE MILES EACH YEAR, AND WE COME UP WITH THE FINANCING ON THAT AND SPREAD THAT OUT AND WE SPEND SO MUCH A YEAR AND WE TRY TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT.
I THINK UNDERGROUND, WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM.
AND I THINK ONE OF OUR COUNCIL ELECT HAD MENTIONED ABOUT A STREET THAT WE MIGHT'VE WORKED ON PAVED, AND THEN WE HAD TO GO BACK AND REPAYMENT.
SO I THINK IN CONCERT WITH THE INTERIOR SCREENS PROGRAM, ONCE YOU FIND OUT HOW BIG THIS WATER LINING AND WATER REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS, WE CAN GET OUR HEADS AROUND IT.
AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE BRIAN THAT SOME OF US HERE IN THE ROOM ARE TIF EXPERTS AND, AND WHAT WE CAN SPEND TIFF MONEY ON AND WHAT LEGISLATIVELY WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
BUT I'VE TALKED TO YOU IN THE PAST.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON THAT.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT YOU, ALONG WITH YOUR STAFF CAN COME BACK TO NOT ONLY RICHARD AND I, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND COME UP WITH AN IDEA PRETTY QUICKLY, CORRECT.
I THINK SIR, THAT THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THE REQUEST.
AND IT'S NOT THAT WE, I DON'T BELIEVE, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOUR REQUEST OR ANY REQUESTS FROM COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO INCREASING OR DEFINING AND IDENTIFYING INCREASING, UH, OUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES HAS FALLEN ON DEAF EARS.
WHAT WE DO HAVE IS WE HAVE A HUMAN CAPITAL SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW IN OUR ORGANIZATION TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING REQUESTED OF US IN, IN THE TIMEFRAMES, IN WHICH WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PRODUCE THIS WORK.
UM, AND SO WHAT, I'M, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, AND WHAT I WOULD WOULD TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT IS LOOKING AT HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS DONE BY AN ENGINEERING FIRM, SIMILAR TO A STUDY TO UNDERSTAND THE INTEGRITY AND THE HEALTH OF ROADS, BUT TO DO SO IN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE WAY TO INCLUDE WATER, SEWER AND STORM SEWER, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT EXACTLY IT IS THAT WE HAVE.
HOW IS IT FAILING AND HOW DOES IT SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY? RIGHT? DOES IT, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE WATER AND SEWER MAINS THAT FLOW UNDER BRAND PIKE, RIGHT? THEY SERVICE ALL OF THE COMMUNITY, A GREAT DEAL OF THE COMMUNITY, PERHAPS, MAYBE THEN, UH, THE WATER SEWER MAIN THAT FALL, THAT FLOWS UNDER CHARLES GATE, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT.
THAT HAS A MUCH, MUCH LIMITED IMPACT.
AND IF WE CAN ESTABLISH AND UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF THAT IS SERVED, WE CAN THEN TURN AROUND AND UTILIZE, UH, THE REFERENCE WAS MADE WITH RESPECT TO TIF.
SO, UM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUS WITH COUNCILS, THE MAYORS POINTED OUT, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF DISTRICT, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO BRING REVENUE INTO THE FUTURE.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY RIGHT NOW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
AND SO IF WE CAN GET SUCH A STUDY DONE AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH REVENUE WE HAVE COMING IN IN THE FUTURE, ONCE
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WE PAY OFF THE DEBT THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THOSE TIF DOLLARS, ONCE THE DEBT IS GONE AND THE TIF REVENUE CONTINUES TO COME IN, WE CAN THEN KIND OF OFFSET, RIGHT? SO AS THE DEBT PAYS OFF, WE CAN START INCREASING THE AMOUNT THAT GOES TO WATER, MAIN REPAIR OR SEWER MAIN REPAIR, BECAUSE THIS STUDY WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHERE THE MASS MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY GIVING IT THAT TIFF TIE-IN, IF YOU WILL.SO THE ISSUE ISN'T THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE MESSAGE, WE'VE HEARD THE MESSAGE, OUR ABILITY IS WE JUST, YOU KNOW, OUR ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND SO I RECOGNIZE THE FRUSTRATION AND THAT FRUSTRATION IS NOT LOST ON ME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FRUSTRATION IS LOST ON STAFF, BUT WE DON'T JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU WANT IN THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH YOU WANT IT.
AND WE HAVE SEVERAL TIPS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE RIGHT NOW THAT STILL DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT FUNDED, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE CREATED, OR THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE CREATED, BUT THEY DON'T GENERATE ANY REVENUE UNTIL PROPERTIES DEVELOPED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SO EVEN IF WE TOOK THIS APPROACH TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE STUDY DONE, OR HAVE A STUDY DONE BY AN OUTSIDE PARTY AND UNDERSTAND WE'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE GENERATING REVENUE FROM THESE TESTS YET.
SO THERE ISN'T A RESOURCE YET TO APPLY TO THAT.
BUT ONCE THIS STUDY IS DONE, ONCE WE CAN DO SOME PLANNING AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL, THEN REVENUE SOURCES WOULD BE COMING IN AND WE COULD BEGIN ADDING TO, TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO MEET.
I, YOU KNOW, TH THE REQUEST AND ONE OF ALL, ALL COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT I THINK ALL OF OUR FRUSTRATION IS, IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THAT PROBLEM IS TO WHAT MARK WAS SAYING.
SO, YEAH, MARK, GO AHEAD AND FINISH.
I SHARON RICHARD'S FRUSTRATION BECAUSE AFTER OUR, I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS ANY BIGGER, I DON'T THINK STAFF HAS INCREASED THE NUMBER.
SO I THINK A STUDY IS APPROPRIATE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO WORK WITH OUR CITY STAFF AND DETERMINE THAT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE NEED TO BITE OFF MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK RICHARD AND I ARE GOING TO BE NO VOTES UNTIL YOU DO THAT.
NOW THAT LEADS ME TO THIS QUESTION.
THE 2022 BUDGET DOES NOT NEED TO BE PASSED BY DECEMBER 31ST, DOES IT? NO, WE COULD.
UM, WE COULD PASS A TEMPORARY BUDGET TO START THE YEAR AND THEN FINALIZE IT BY MARCH THE 31ST.
SO I'M THAT SERIOUS? I THINK RICHARD IS THAT SERIOUS.
AND I THINK THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS THAT SERIOUS ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE DO NEED TO TAKE A PROFESSIONAL APPROACH AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS, WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT IS.
BUT I THINK THIS YEAR WE NEED TO SET A GOAL AND A NUMBER IN THE BUDGET AND AT LEAST GET STARTED WHILE YOU'RE HAVING THAT STUDY AND THAT WORK DONE AND REALLY SERIOUSLY ADDRESS THAT AND MAKE IT PART OF THE BUDGET.
HERE'S THE REASON WHY, IF WE INCREASE THAT NUMBER BY 3 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND DETERMINE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT FROM NO LOOK UNDERNEATH THE SEAT CUSHIONS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
I THINK THAT'S THE EXERCISE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW.
SO OVER THE THREE DECADES I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US PINCHING OUR PENNIES, COMBING THROUGH THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE MIGHT HAVE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND JUST DETERMINE WHAT WE AREN'T GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON.
IS IT NOT BRIAN? THE NUMBER WILL BE LARGER THAN WHAT WE AGREE.
IT'S A BIG NUMBER, YOU AND I, SO WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS.
AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A REVISIT ON OTHER AREAS THAT WE SPEND MONEY ON, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MONEY.
LET'S SAY TWICE THE MONEY IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY DOES ON A CERTAIN SERVICE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE IN LINE.
AND I WOULD JOIN RICHARD AND MARK ON THE SENTIMENT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM WE HAVE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SINCE WE JUMPED ON THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, AND I, AND I, AND I'M NOT WANTING IT TO BE TO THE PENNY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF WE CAN GET A GENERAL IDEA OF, SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THE TIF FUNDS THAT ARE THERE, THE DIFFERENT TIFF POTS, AND MAYBE, UM, WHAT THOSE MONIES ARE GOING TO, IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA AFTER WE MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF EXTENSION THAT WE JUST DID.
AND WE TALKED, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ABOUT $45 MILLION OVERALL 30 YEAR DEALS, BUT WE WERE TALKING SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK.
UM, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, UM, BUT IS THAT MONEY ALREADY ALL DEDICATED TO SOMETHING ELSE? OR IT'S JUST SOME OF IT, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE LEFTOVER? IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET GENERAL IDEAS ON THAT AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT MONIES WE MIGHT HAVE, WHERE AND HOW THEY'RE, HOW THEY MAY BE DEDICATED AND WE CAN'T USE, YES.
WE CAN PREPARE A SUMMARY FOR COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT
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MONEY IS COMING FROM TODAY, WHERE IT'S GOING TODAY AND WHERE IT COULD GO TOMORROW.MA'AM UM, COUNCILMAN SHAW, UH, UH, THE EARLIER PRESENTATION THIS YEAR ON THE RELINING PROJECT, UM, AS, UH, RUSS DESCRIBED THE RELINING PROJECT, THE COSTS AND THE WORKER WOULD ENTAIL YOU CHAMPIONED, UH, INCREASING THAT BUDGET, INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF, UM, WORK WE DO WHEN WE WERE, I BELIEVE THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ONE A YEAR.
AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL MENTIONED AT THAT TIME, UH, THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT COULD TAKE US.
AND AT THAT TIME, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT ALL OF COUNCIL WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT NUMBER WAS INCREASED.
AND THE, UM, MR. BERGMAN HAD THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO HIM TO, UM, TACKLE THIS PROJECT IN MUCH BIGGER BIAS.
NOW THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED.
SO AM I HEARING FROM YOU, IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BUDGET AND NOT SAYING WHAT I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT WOULD BE THERE WITH REGARD TO THE RELINING PROJECT.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER WEB, UM, BACK ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, WHEN THAT PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN, UM, THE ANALYSIS WORK THAT, UH, UM, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER JUST OUTLINED, THAT'S WHAT I EXPECTED TO HAVE PRIOR TO THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION.
UM, I WANTED SUBSTANTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, INPUT PUT INTO THAT.
I KNEW WE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, CARES, ACT ARPA FUNDING.
I KNEW THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL WAS ON THE CUSP OF MOVING FORWARD ON FEDERALLY, UM, ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, O WDA GRANTS AND OTHER VARIOUS RESOURCES.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT TIF DOLLARS.
THAT'S WHAT I EXPECTED OUT OF THAT SEPTEMBER 21ST PRESENTATION, WHEN THIS BODY MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN, UM, TO COME BACK 60 DAYS LATER AND SAY, WELL, WE STILL DON'T HAVE NO ANALYSIS.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A, PROBABLY ANOTHER 45, 60, 90 DAYS OUT FOR THAT ANALYSIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE ISSUES NOW, BUSINESSES THAT ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE.
WE GOT BUILDERS WHO WANT TO COME IN HERE AND BUILD MORE, BUT YET WE'VE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS COUNCIL AND TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, WE NEED TO PULL BACK.
WE NEED TO EITHER ELIMINATE FROM THIS MOMENT, MOVING FORWARD, ALL PET PROJECTS IN THE CITY UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS INFRASTRUCTURE DEALT WITH AND, UM, A PLAN MOVING FORWARD, UM, NOT NEXT WEEK, NOT NEXT MONTH, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, I THINK WE OWE THAT TO THE RESIDENTS.
WE TALK ABOUT TIFF, WE TALK ABOUT HOW WELL WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND HOW WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, FUNDS ON HAND, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES PAY TAXES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK INFRASTRUCTURE IS RIGHT THERE ON WHAT WE OWE IT TO THESE RESIDENTS, UH, AND ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY TO DO.
AND THIS DOESN'T AFFECT JUST THOSE IN WARD FOUR, WARD FIVE, IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE, IF ONE LINK OF THAT SYSTEM FAILS OR GOES DOWN, IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING.
UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE PUT MONEY TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL WELLS AND PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR A WATER DEPARTMENT.
WE PUT $12 MILLION PLUS INTO WATER BOOSTING AND WATER SOFTENING PROGRAMS. WE, WE HAVE THE TRACK HISTORY OF MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US ABOUT.
AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING TO US TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND MAKE ACTION HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
I REALLY WANTED THAT ANALYSIS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UM, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, FOLKS CAN GO INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON KNOWING THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GOT A PLAN IN ACTION.
AND I CAN'T TELL THAT I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO I GUESS MOVING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, I KNOW WE, DON'T NOT PULLING COUNSEL.
WE KNOW THERE'S SOME OBJECTION TO, UM, TO MOVING THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET ON TO, UH, TO MONDAY'S MEETING.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK, IS THERE, UM, FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE WHERE WHAT MR. BELL SAID IS THERE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION TO COME UP WITH A TEMPORARY BUDGET, UM, THAT, THAT GETS US OPERATING INTO THE NEW YEAR.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS REALLY WE CAN KIND OF NEED TO KNOW.
AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT, WHAT I ASKED IN THE BEGINNING, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? UM, SO TO GIVE PEOPLE A PEACE OF MIND, HOW MUCH MONEY WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO THROW AT THIS, UH, WATERLINE PROJECT FOR 2022, UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH KNOWING WHAT THE BIGGER NUMBER IS, HOW BIG IS THE PROBLEM WHERE WE CAN COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL PLAN TO START TACKLING IT X
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AMOUNT OF DOLLARS PER YEAR OVER A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.SO IS THERE A NUMBER NEXT YEAR THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD TO THIS 2022 PROJECT? IN ADDITION TO THE MILLION DOLLARS IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED ONCE I GET YOUR OWN GOOD ADD-ON AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
MIRROR A QUESTION FROM MR. BELL.
NOW IT WOULD BE, YOU MENTIONED A TEMPORARY BUDGET.
IS THERE ANY IMPLICATION OR REGULATORY ISSUES WITH A TEMPORARY BUDGET WHILE WE ASSEMBLE A FINAL BUDGET? NO, I MEAN, YOU CAN, UM, WE NEED, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED A BUDGET TO START, UM, SOME EXPENDITURES WHICH INCLUDE, UH, PAYROLL FOR STAFF, UH, BEGINNING, JANUARY ONE.
BUT, UM, ONCE AGAIN, IF, IF YOU PASS WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET PRESENTED TO YOU SO FAR, YOU CAN ALWAYS SUPPLEMENT AS YOU KNOW, I BRING SUPPLEMENTALS TO THE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AT ANY TIME.
UH, WE CAN SUPPLEMENT IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY ONCE WE DETERMINE WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL DOLLAR AMOUNT IS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO THE STREETLIGHT OR THE WATER LINING PROJECT, WE CAN ADD THAT TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THIS BUDGET, UH, TODAY FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO TO COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S, UM, STATEMENT, WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET TO SEE, UM, UH, AS OPPOSED TO A SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, LOOKING AT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET TO SEE IF THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE INDEED NEED TO CUT OR SHIFT OR MANEUVER, UM, ITEMS AROUND, UH, THAT CAN BE DONE AS WELL, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, I'LL UM, SEE BRIAN ON, ON, UH, WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THAT REGARD.
WE HAVE A THREE WEEK BREAK BEFORE THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO YOU, SO TWO CLARIFICATION OF COMMENT ON WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF WORK PRODUCT WAS.
WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO BACK AND PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WOULD MORE, UH, UH, THAT WOULD MEET THAT EXPECTATION IN A MORE EXPEDITED TIMEFRAME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO JIM'S POINT, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY CAN BE ADDED AT ANY TIME BY COUNCIL VIA THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION, UM, IDENTIFYING THE MONEY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE THE ISSUE.
IT MIGHT BE UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF UTILIZING THAT MONEY MIGHT TAKE US A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN JUST SIMPLY PUTTING THE MONEY ON THE TABLE.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A NECESSARY NEED, BUT THAT MIGHT BE, UM, A DELAY IN BEING ABLE TO FULLY PROVIDE COUNSEL THE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS, BUT WE CAN, NOW THAT WE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE EXPECTATION, AS YOU'VE EXPLAINED, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION MUCH SOONER THAN, THAN WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE EXPECTATION WAS.
SO WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS WE WILL WORK AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE CAN TO MEET THAT EXPECTATION.
AND THAT DESIRE MARK, UH, JIM, THIS, THIS 2022 BUDGET IS BASICALLY LAST YEAR'S BUDGET CHANGED WITH SOME, UH, INCREASES PAYING INCREASES IN, WELL, THAT'S JUST ON THE PERSONNEL SIDE.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
SO YEAH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT CHANGES EACH YEAR.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MONEY, BUT IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE OPERATING PORTION IS JUST A CONTINUATION FROM YEAR TO YEAR WITH SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WE MIGHT CHOOSE AND SOME RAISES AND, UH, UNION AGREEMENTS AND SO ON, I WOULD RECOMMEND A TEMPORARY BUDGET AND I WOULD RECOMMEND US OVERHAUL WHAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING A MILLION OR TWO, IN MY OPINION, INCREASE IN THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
I SAY, WE PASS A TEMPORARY BUDGET.
IF YOU EXPEDITE IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
WE'RE GOING TO KNOW HOW BIG THE ISSUE IS.
COUNCIL'S GOING TO LEGISLATE SET POLICY ON HOW MANY YEARS WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AND RESOLVE IT.
RUSS, IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUING ISSUE.
ISN'T IT? BUT I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR.
I MEAN, I HAVE THESE ALL MAPPED OUT.
I CAN MAKE A PROJECT NEXT YEAR, AS BIG AS YOU WANT.
I ALREADY KNOW WHERE TO GO BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT HUGE.
THE BOARS PART OF IT IS CONFINED IN CERTAIN KIND OF THE CENTER POINT OF THE CITY.
AND I WRITE THE START WITH THAT.
AND AS THE YEARS GO ON, WE'LL KIND OF WORK MY WAY OUT AND DO THE REST OF IT.
BUT I CAN MAKE A PROJECT AS BIG AS YOU WANT NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S FOR NEXT YEAR WHENEVER.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW CITY-WIDE HOW BIG THE ISSUE IS.
AND THEN WE NEED TO DECIDE, WE NEED TO SET THE POLICY.
HOW MANY YEARS OUT WE WANT TO RESOLVE THIS? OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO SET THE POLICY.
YOU GUYS NEED TO ADMINISTRATE THE POLICY, ADMINISTER THE POLICY.
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IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO STILL BE A PROGRAM ALMOST EVERY YEAR FROM THAT ONE.I MEAN, I NEED, WELL, I'VE GOT, I'M SAYING $100 MILLION.
UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT.
NONE OF US UP HERE THINKS IT'S AN ISSUE WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE NEXT YEAR DOING IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS, BUT YOU NEED TO TELL ME HOW BIG IT IS SO I CAN DECIDE HOW MANY YEARS.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME 10 YEARS.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING BASIC LIKE THAT.
AND BRIAN, DO YOU AGREE? WE NEED A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS BUDGET TO FIND EVERY PENNY WE CAN TO THROW AT THIS ISSUE.
WE WILL PUT FORTH THE EFFORT TO IDENTIFY AS MUCH SPENDABLE MONEY.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO YOU AGREE THAT IT'S NECESSARY? YES, SIR.
DO YOU AGREE? STAFF NEEDS TO REALLY COMB THROUGH THIS BUDGET AND FIND EVERY PENNY WE CAN TO ALLOCATE TO THIS ISSUE.
IT'S THAT BIG AN ISSUE? YES, SIR.
SO MR. CAMPBELL, THEY CAN, BASED ON MR. SHAW'S EVER COMMENTS, UM, THAT TEMPORARY BUDGET BE PASSED.
DO WE SET A TIMEFRAME OR PARAMETER OF HOW LONG THAT BUDGET IS GOING TO GO? AND, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO MY OWN OPINION HERE.
I THINK THAT THE REASON, UM, MR. CAMPBELL, MR. SHAW ARE SO ADAMANT ABOUT TEMPORARY BUDGET AND NOT VOTING FOR THIS BUDGET IS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE LET KNOW THAT WE ARE AWARE OF ISSUES.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO FIX THEM AS, AS BY COUNCIL ACTION OR COUNCIL INACTION IN THIS, IN THIS CASE.
SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STATEMENT, MR. SHAW, MR. CANDLER, WE'RE MAKING THAT, UH, THAT WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD ON A, ON A, ON A SPECIFIED ANNUAL BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND SO WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME HANDLE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BRIAN, OF ALL THE ISSUES AND, AND LABOR AND, AND WHATEVER SHORTAGES THAT WE'VE HAD, WHERE THIS HASN'T COME TO FRUITION AND WHAT WE WERE KIND OF EXPECTING, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE FACT THAT WE STILL ONLY HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO THIS AND THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET MOVING NEXT YEAR, WHEN THE CHALLENGE WAS PUT OUT, LET'S, LET'S DO SOMETHING BIGGER.
LET'S ALLOCATE MORE MONEY TO THIS WAS, IS PRETTY SPECIFIC OVER THE LAST FEW MEETINGS WE'VE HAD.
SO I THINK, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE OR PASS A BUDGET UNTIL THAT ISSUE IS FIXED, I THINK IS A, IS A BIG STATEMENT ON COUNCIL'S PART.
AND THAT'S HOW COUNSEL LETS OUR, OUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
SO, SO MY QUESTION, JIM IS FROM A TEMPORARY BUDGET PERSPECTIVE THAT WHAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT THIS OR THIS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE ON A TEMPORARY BUDGET UNTIL WE GET WHAT WE NEED.
AND IS THAT GOING TO BE A DETERMINED TIMEFRAME OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A, A CONTINUAL TEMPORARY BUDGET UNTIL WE GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED? SO I'M LOOKING FOR HOW SPECIFIC WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETING FOR 2022.
SO I DON'T, I KNOW WE DID NOT COME PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO QUITE FRANKLY, SIR, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWER FOR YOU TONIGHT, BUT WE WILL STEP AWAY FROM THIS MEETING.
WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE LAW, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, OUR FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO COME BACK, UM, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION THAT WE DO HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR YOU AND THAT WE DO HAVE A TEMPORARY BUDGET IN SOME CAPACITY THAT SIMPLY COVERS OUR BASIC OPERATING COSTS, UM, UNTIL WE CAN.
AND IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH EVERY TWO MONTHS, IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE IT EVERY 90 DAYS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, WE'LL AT LEAST PROVIDE COUNSEL, UM, UH, IT'S PREROGATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE HOLDING US AS STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TASK YOU YOU'VE ASSIGNED US TO DO.
SO I THINK SO DECEMBER 7TH AT WORK SESSION, UM, THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD PROPOSE OR HAVE THE LEGISLATION FOR A TEMPORARY BUDGET AT THAT DECEMBER WORK SESSION THAT WE COULD PASS ON AT THE ONLY DECEMBER MEETING.
SO THERE WOULD BE A TEMPORARY BUDGET IN PLACE PRIOR TO MOVING INTO 2022.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE TIMEFRAME AND I THINK THE EXPEDITED PROCESS THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE HAPPEN START IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THAT WORK SESSION.
BUT SO IS THERE ANY OBJECTION THEN TO, UM, THAT'S MOVING US OFF, HAVING A TEMPORARY BUDGET PRESENTED AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION ON THE SEVENTH, UM, TO MOVE TO LATER? YES.
UM, ANY, ANY TEMPORARY BUDGET THAT EXTENDS PAST, UM, UH, THE END OF MARCH OF NEXT YEAR? UM, I WOULD
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NOT BE IN FAVOR WITH, I, I THINK THE TEMPORARY BUDGET SHOULD BE UNTIL THE END OF MARCH OF NEXT YEAR.UM, THAT, THAT IS THE DATE THAT I'M PUTTING OUT FOR THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING PROCEDURALLY, WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE HOW TO DEAL WITH THE CURRENT, UH, BUDGET ORDINANCE.
THAT'S HAD A FIRST READING AND WILL BE SCHEDULED AS PASS THROUGH A SECOND READING FOR NOVEMBER 22ND.
SO YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT OR BRING CLOSURE TO THAT IN SOME WAY.
I WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, AS FAR AS HOW THAT WILL BE HANDLED MAYOR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT'S OUTSTANDING.
AND I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, TONY WOULD, UH, WOULD PROCEDURALLY, UM, TABLING THIS BUDGET, UM, UH, BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEGISLATION ON A TEMPORARY BUDGET AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UM, AND THEN ONCE, UM, STAFF BRINGS THE INFORMATION NEEDED, UH, BY END OF MARCH, UH, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO GO THROUGH TWO READINGS OF A FULL BUDGET.
WOULD THAT BE THE CORRECT PROCESS OR AN APPROPRIATE PROCESS? YEAH, IT COULD BE TABLED OR IT COULD JUST BE BROUGHT TO A CLOSURE AND THEN REINTRODUCED AS NECESSARY WHICHEVER COUNSEL OR FIRST.
SO DO WE NEED THAT? SO WHEN WE'D HAVE THIS GOING TO BE ON THERE FOR A SECOND, READING OUT THIS BUDGET ON THE SECOND READING THAT WE TAKE ACTION ACTION AT THE MEETING, I'M GOING TO BRING LAUNDRY 200 TO TABLE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY MORE CLARIFICATION NEEDED ON THE STREET AND AROUND, YES, DON, I'M SORRY.
UM, AND COUNSEL ALL RELY ON YOU GUYS FOR, UM, BETTER MEMORIES THAN MINE.
UM, BRIAN WAS REGARD TO SECTION 12, A SENIOR CENTER BUDGET PREVIOUSLY.
THIS COUNCIL AUTHORIZED A, UM, I'LL SAY CORRECTION OR AN ADDITION TO THE SENIOR CENTER BUDGET.
UM, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THE SENIOR CENTER BUDGET HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SOMEWHAT OVERLOOKED IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
AND, UH, WE CAME UP WITH AN ANNUAL BUDGET AMOUNT, UH, COUNSEL, IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER THE INCREASE THAT WE, UM, DECIDED TO DEVOTE TO THE SENIOR CENTER, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT REFLECTED.
I DON'T BELIEVE I SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THIS LINE ITEM.
AND IF THAT WAS NOT REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET, THAT IS, UH, THAT IS UNINTENTIONAL.
AND SO WILL MAKE SURE WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND REVIEW AND EVALUATE IT, THAT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS ACCURATELY REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET, REAL RESPECT TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS AN ITEM THAT, UM, WE, AS A COUNCIL FELT HAVE JUST BEEN OVERLOOKED, UM, THROUGH, UM, NOTHING INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT.
IT HAD JUST BEEN OVERLOOKED AND WE WEREN'T FUNDING OUR SENIOR CENTER PROPERLY.
AND THE NUMBERS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE REFLECT THAT WITH PILLS.
SO TONY, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT SOME PREVIOUS MEETINGS TO FIND OUT FOR US, CAUSE I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LARGER NUMBER INITIALLY BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME REPAIRS AND THINGS NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE PART THAT WE DISCUSSED WITHIN, THERE WAS AN ONGOING NUMBER OF, WE WANTED TO ALLOCATE TO THAT AND I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED RICHARD.
AND, UH, I'M GOING TO YIELD TO JIM REAL QUICK, CAUSE I THINK HE'S GONNA SAY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT GO AHEAD.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BUDGET IN 2021.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND I REMEMBER, BUT I THINK THAT WE'D ALSO TALKED ABOUT A CONTINUING NUMBER TO SUPPORT THAT SENIOR CENTER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT TREATMENT IT WAS.
THAT MEETING OCCURRED BACK IN, UH, ON JULY 12TH.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT I BELIEVE MYSELF, MR. CAMPBELL, AND I BELIEVE EVEN MS. BURCH HAD, UH, HAD AGREED UPON, UM, MOVING THAT FORWARD.
I'M WANTING TO SAY IT WAS IN THE BALLPARK OF AN ADDITIONAL $100,000.
UM, BUT, UH, TONY, IF HE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THOSE MEETING MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING, UM, AND THAT WORK SESSION, I THINK THAT WOULD BRING THAT TO LIGHT AND SOLIDIFY THAT YES, JIM IS CORRECT ON THE CIP AMOUNT THAT WE DID PUT IN THERE TO NO, THE DISCUSSION AT THE TIME WAS THAT THERE WERE, UM, ROUTINE AND ORDINARY BUDGET ITEMS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
THE SENIOR CENTER WAS ABSORBING, UH, THE, UH, WE FELT MORE OF A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
IS ITEM THREE, WHICH ARE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS GYM.UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I PUT AT YOUR PLACES TONIGHT, UM, A LAST MINUTE CHANGE TO THE, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, IN THE, UH, INITIAL PACKET THAT
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WENT OUT TO YOU.THERE WAS JUST ONE ITEM AND, UH, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR THE JONETTA STREET PUMP STATION AND SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AS ROSS HAD MENTIONED TO YOU.
AND SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM, UH, PRIOR TO TONIGHT.
AND THEN TONIGHT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT I ADDED $200,000.
THAT WAS FOR THE, UM, WINDBROOK SECTION THREE DASH TWO THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN JUNE.
AND IT WAS NOT BUDGETED AT THAT TIME.
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THAT BE BUDGETED THIS TIME TOO, AS, UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING ON OUT THERE.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE, UH, FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS, UH, WE WOULD NEED THAT TO BE, UH, APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UH, I THINK YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND THE SECOND READING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, I BRING THESE TWO ITEMS TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION FOR AMENDING THE 20, 21 BUDGET.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR A DISCUSSION ON THESE TWO ITEMS FOR GYM? ANY OBJECTION MOVING THESE SUBTITLES ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Huber Heights Veterans Memorial - Change Order]
IS ITEM THREE J THAT HE WRITES THIRDS MEMORIAL CHANGE ORDER.MA'AM UM, IN A NUTSHELL, WHEN, UH, THE CONTRACTOR WAS BUSY MAKING THE FINAL PAVING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY EXPOSED AN AREA OF SOIL THAT, UH, WAS SUBSTANDARD AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
AND SO, UM, AT THAT TIME, MR. FOWL KOSKI AUTHORIZED THEM TO CONTINUE BECAUSE THEY WERE ONSITE AND DOING THE WORK AND THE WORK NEEDED TO BE DONE.
THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED, BUT AS A, AS A MATTER OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION AND OF, OF LEGAL CONFORMITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO APPROVE THIS, THIS CHANGE ORDER FORMALLY.
SO THIS WAS FOR AN ISSUE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN BECAUSE IT WAS EXPOSED TO DURING THE REPAVING PROCESS.
AND THAT AMOUNT, ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UM, BRIAN, UH, NOT AN IMMEDIATE ACTION.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO DETERMINE IF THIS WAS A ONE OFF SCENARIO OR IF HE BELIEVES THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT IF, AND WHEN WE CONTINUE TO REDO THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA AT CLOUD PARK, WE COULD FOLLOW IT.
THANKS FOR SHARING ANY OF THE DISCUSSION, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Carriage Trails - Public Access Easement Agreement Amendment]
IS ITEM THREE.K THE CARES TRAILS, PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, THIS ISSUE IS, UH, FOR, UH, THERE IS A COMMITMENT, UH, FOR, UM, OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE, UM, WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, TYPICALLY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE PAST, AS THE DEVELOPER CONTINUES TO BUILD AND CONSTRUCT, SOMETIMES PORTIONS OF THAT OPEN SPACE ARE AMENDED TO ADD OR SUBTRACT.
UH, THIS INSTANCE, UH, THEY ARE ASKING TO, UM, TAKE SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE, UH, RELATIVE TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
UH, THIS TAKING, IF YOU WILL, OR THIS REDUCTION OF SPACE STILL PROVIDES MORE OPEN SPACE COLLECTIVELY THAN IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CONTRACT.
SO, UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU PASS THIS AMENDMENT OR THAT YOU MOVE THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD ON MONDAY, UM, AND THAT ONCE THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, UH, FINAL DOCUMENTATION, ONE FINAL AMENDMENT TO CLEARLY DEFINE THE REMAINING OPEN SPACE, UM, AND ITS EXPECTATIONS OF, UH, IN MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CONTRACT, UH, WOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNTER ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING US ONTO MONDAY.
[ ZC 21-34 - The Annex Group - 6502 Old Troy Pike - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS ZONING CASE 21 DASH 34, THE ANNEX GROUP AT 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE, A REZONING OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UM, FOR THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT SEVERAL ITEMS, I'LL ACTUALLY DEFER TO JASON FOSTER WHO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IN LIGHT OF MR.
SO, UM, FACING IF YOU WOULD YUP.
UH, THE ANNEX GROUP IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 216 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ON 20 ACRES LOCATED AT 65 0 2 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE, WHICH IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY AND CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FOUR.
UH, THIS REQUEST WOULD INCLUDE THE REZONING PLAN.
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SANITARY, SEWER, AND WATER WILL CONNECT TO THE CITY'S MAIN SYSTEM AND IS LOCATED ALONG OLD TROY AND CHAMBERSBURG.UH, THE STORMWATER WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH A PUBLIC STORM SEWER SYSTEM, UH, THAT INCLUDE DETENTION BASINS, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.
NOW, THE SITE HAS TWO PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS, ONE ON OLD TROY NEAR THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
AND ONE ON CHAMBERSBURG, UH, ABOUT MIDWAY THERE AND THEN AN EXISTING ACCESS POINT ON OLD TROY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE ENTRANCE TO THE KEY BANK.
UH, 6 36 UNIT BUILDINGS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THE BUILDINGS WERE PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETELY SIGHTING.
HOWEVER, STAFF DID RECOMMEND THAT A MINIMUM 25% OF THE SURFACE AREA BE BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCT, UH, 345 PARKING SPACES ARE BEING PROPOSED.
14 OF THOSE BEING ADA ACCESSIBLE, A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CURRENTLY IS IN THE D CATEGORY FOR THIS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE THE WIDENING OF CHAMBERSBURG ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AND AN EXTENSION OF THE EASTBOUND LEFT-HAND TURN LANE FROM OLD TROY TO CHAMBERSBURG.
IN ADDITION, THE CITY IS IMPROVING CHAMBERSBURG ON THE WEST SIDE OF OLD, OLD TROY PIKE, UH, PER THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MADE, UH, PRIOR TO MY SITTING IN, ON ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, UH, THIS SHOULD IMPROVE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC LANDSCAPE AND GET IT MORE TO THE C CATEGORY, WHICH IS MY UNDERSTANDING MORE ACCEPTABLE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, UH, TO, FOR COMMENT AND QUESTION, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON OR THE ANTHONY? YES.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, 216 UNITS, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? UH, 345 PROPOSED SPACES.
AND HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE HANDICAPPERS ADA 14.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE TWO SPACES, A UNIT, HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE GOING IN EACH UNIT? UH, I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THAT QUESTION, BUT THE, THE PROPOSALS 1.6 SPACES PER UNIT, UM, AND AS DISCUSSED AT PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY WERE COMFORTABLE MOVING THAT FORWARD.
UM, TO ANSWER YOUR BEDROOM COUNT QUESTION.
UM, 30% OF THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT WILL BE ONE BEDROOMS, 50%, TWO BEDROOMS, AND 20% AT THREE BEDROOMS. OKAY.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED MORE PARKING BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A FRIEND OVER, YOU ALWAYS NEED SOMEBODY TO DELIVERING PIZZA, ANY SPACES TO TURN AROUND.
SO WE DID, WE DID INCREASE BY 24 PARKING SPACES, UM, FROM THE, UH, OUR PREVIOUS SITE PLAN.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF MARKET DATA FROM ALL OF OUR OTHER DEALS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
UM, OUR AVERAGE OR ON AVERAGE, OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UM, HAVE ABOUT A 1.5 PARKING RATIO.
IDENTIFY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS TYLER KNOCKS ON THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER WITH THE ANNEX GROUP.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UM, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES SECTION ONE PART TO A MINIMUM 25% OF THE SURFACE AREA OF THE BUILDING SHALL BE FURNISHED WITH BRICK OR STONE MASONARY PRODUCTS.
I HATE TO BRING THIS UP Y'ALL BUT I'M GLAD YOU ARE.
SO WAS THERE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THE BRICK OR STONE AND NOT A HARDY PLANK? BECAUSE I AGREE WE DON'T WANT TO, THERE WAS AN, I CAN READ DIRECTLY FROM THE DECISION TO DECISION RECORD A MINIMUM OF 25% OF THE SURFACE AREA OF THE BUILDINGS SHALL BE FINISHED WITH BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCTS.
SO NOT BRICKSTONE OR MASONRY PRODUCTS, BUT IT'S MASONRY, NO WAR.
IS THAT SATISFY ALL OF COUNCIL DAWN? NO.
UM, JASON, WHEN PLANNING COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE DEVELOPER, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE AND WHAT THAT MASONRY PRODUCT WOULD LOOK LIKE? WHAT AREAS OF THE BUILDING IT'S NOT EVIDENT FROM THE ELEVATIONS? UM, WHA WHERE DO THEY INTEND TO PUT 25% OF? UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT, UH, AT THAT MEETING, I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THOSE
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CONVERSATIONS.UH, HOWEVER, UH, IT HAS BEEN TYPICAL IN THE PAST THAT THAT GOES ON THE BUILDING FACADES.
UM, BUT I, AGAIN WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT CONVERSATION.
I SAY THE DEVELOPER AT THE PODIUM MIRROR.
UM, SO IF YOU WANT TO FLIP BACK TO THE OTHER ELEVATION, I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED AN UPDATED COPY, UM, AT ALL OF THE ENTRYWAYS AND THOSE, THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS, UM, THAT WILL ALL BE, UM, BRICK.
UM, THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE OUR MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO.
I BELIEVE WE'RE AT A TOTAL OF 35% SURE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, THE, UM, WHAT I WILL CALL THE TOWERS? YES.
SO ALL THE TOWER AREAS, UM, AND THEN THE SIDE ELEVATIONS WHERE YOU SEE THE, UM, UH, WE'RE JUST THOSE TWO WINDOWS ARE ON EACH LEVEL.
UM, THAT'S ALL MASONRY, OR, AND DO YOU ENVISION THAT AS A, UH, A TRUE BRICK PRODUCT? IT BE A TRUE BRICK PRODUCT? YES.
THEN IN THAT CASE, UM, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH IT.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
SO YEAH, IF THERE'S NOT AN UPDATED ELEVATION, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.
WHERE'S THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS GOING, ARE THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
GLENN, I JUST WANT TO STATE UPFRONT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT I'M NOT OVERLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT IN GENERAL, THAT I DON'T THINK THAT AREA'S GOING TO BE A GREAT FIT FOR IT.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME OTHER STUFF WITHIN THE VILLAS, UM, THAT ARE RENTALS.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF WE, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
AND, AND THAT IS AN AREA WHERE IT'S WHAT JUST MAYBE A COUPLE, FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE BULK OF OUR PROBLEMS. UM, WE ALSO ARE HAVING TRAFFIC ISSUES AND WE GOT ANOTHER MAJOR PROJECT ROLLING ON TROY AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF TO CLEAR UP BEFORE WE CAN CONTINUE THIS, THIS GROWTH.
WE'VE GOT A FEW HUNDRED MORE UNITS GOING UP ON EXECUTIVE.
UH, THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNED OUT.
UM, THERE'S A FEW HUNDRED MORE UNITS, UH, ON TROY AT, UH, TROY AND, AND TAYLORSVILLE WITH THE DDC, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THESE ARE LOT, THAT'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS, SO WE'RE PUSHING AND WE'RE ROLLING ANOTHER THOUSAND UNITS.
NOW, IF WE THROW THESE INTO THE MIX, I THINK WE'RE JUST MOVING WAY TOO QUICK ON, UH, ON THE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES.
SO I JUST STARTED DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW ROLL ON ALL THE APARTMENTS AND I'M JUST NOT SUPPORTIVE.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COME AGAINST RICHARD? THANK YOU, BARRY.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, WHAT SOME OF MR
UH, I'M GOING TO START FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE, UH, FOR THE, UH, UM, PROPOSED AREA.
UH, TWO IS THE TRAFFIC WHERE WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND EVERY ONE OF US DRIVE THAT AREA.
AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT THESE APARTMENT BUILDINGS HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO NEW TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US A STUDY THAT SAYS OUR TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE THERE.
AND WITH THE IMPROVEMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS HORRIBLE.
UM, EXCEPT MAYBE AROUND SCHOOL TIME AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND ALL, YEAH, WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG, UM, WHICH IS GETTING READY TO BE DISCUSSED HERE.
UM, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE OUR FINAL DETAILED IMPROVEMENTS TO CHAMBERSBURG, UM, THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT.
NUMBER THREE FOR ME IS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT, UM, THIS TYPE OF, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT THIS COUNCIL JUST PUT A HALT ON OUR ENTIRE CITY BUDGET.
UM, I THINK WOULD BE, UM, COMPLETELY REWINDING EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST SPENT 60 PLUS MINUTES TALKING ABOUT, UM, BY SAYING, OH YEAH, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO MORE BUILDINGS AND INVITE MORE RESIDENTS INTO THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO FIX OUR PROBLEMS BEFORE WE START PUTTING, UM, UH, MORE, UM, BUILDINGS AND RESIDENTS INTO THAT AREA.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE REASONS I WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
UM, IF, UH, IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND PEACE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? YEAH, IT'S DONE.
COULD I GET CLARIFICATION ON SAY, WHAT WAS THE VOTE ON PLANNING COMMISSION? TONY KNOW IT WAS FIVE TO ZERO.
OH, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? I HEARD UNANIMOUS FIVE TO ZERO.
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION RIGHT THERE? JUST, UM, IF IT WOULD PLEASE THE COUNCIL, UM, PERHAPS, UM, BRENT TABLING, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT TO THESE CONCERNS A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGHLY.UM, WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND COUNSEL'S CONCERN THAT WE CAN ADDRESS COUNCIL'S CONCERN AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I'D MUCH RATHER BE IN A POSITION TO GIVE YOU CLEAR INFORMATION TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.
IT MIGHT NOT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, BUT AT LEAST IF WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME CLEAR INFORMATION PRIOR TO, TO YOUR VOTE, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
UM, IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH AND ADDRESS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, COUNCIL'S CONCERNED, WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT RATHER THAN JUST SIMPLY KILLED A PROJECT WITHOUT AN EFFORT TO, UH, WITHOUT AN EFFORT TO TRY AND ADVANCE IT.
SO THAT THAT'S A REQUEST FROM STAFF.
UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU, UM, CONSIDER THAT WHEN, WHEN CASTING YOUR VOTE.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE JUST TABLE UNTIL WE GET SOME OTHER INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY REGARDING ON THE TRAFFIC, WOULD THERE BE OBJECTIONS TO TABLING THIS TO ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER MEETING UNTIL WE GET THAT OTHER INFORMATION I'M IN FAVOR OF HEARING MORE INFORMATION TABLING IT DONE, BUT JUST HER REQUEST.
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PACKET.
BRIAN, IS THERE ANY REQUEST FOR, UH, SIGNAGE, MONUMENT SIGNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS MR. FOSTER CAN ADDRESS THAT IN GRATITUDE.
I STRESSED THAT THERE, THERE WAS NO SIGNAGE IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD COME IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
UH, I WOULD CONCUR, I THINK, UH, UH,
SO HEARING A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT AND, UH, NO MAJORITY OBJECTION TO TABLING.
WE'LL MOVE TO ANOTHER MEETING UNTIL WE GET FURTHER INFORMATION FROM, FROM STAFF.
THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THE MEETING ON MONDAY AS ADVERTISED, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CANCEL, UH, YOU COULD STILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH RESPECT TO RECEIVING THE COMMENT.
UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE AT THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I, YOU HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE AND DO ALL THAT AGAIN, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, THE COUNCIL CAN SATISFY EVERYONE SO ORDINANCE TO HAVE A READING WITH THE PUBLIC AREA.
WELL, IT ISN'T THERE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES UP, THEN IT CAN BE TABLED TABLED IF THAT'S LEGAL COUNSEL.
THAT'S HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
[ ZC 21-35 - DDC Management - Chambersburg Road - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE M IS THERE ANY CASE 21 DASH 35 OR DDC MANAGEMENT, BUT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD ALSO A REZONING OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.THE APPLICANT, DDC MANAGEMENT AS REQUESTING OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 172 AND A HALF ACRES FOR THE VILLAGES OF WESTPORT, A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE LEXINGTON PLACE, SUBDIVISION ON CHAMBERSBURG WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING 283 RESIDENTIAL, LOTS SANITARY, SEWER, AND WATER THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE CITY'S MAIN SYSTEM.
BOTH UTILITIES ARE LOCATED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
STORMWATER WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM, INCLUDING DETENTION BASINS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, ALL OF WHICH FOLLOWS THE CITY CODE, UH, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED, UH, TO A 45 FOOT HALF RIGHT SECTION PER OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND ALL INTERIOR STREETS WILL BE PUBLIC WITH CURB AND SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
TWO STYLES OF LOT, TWO STYLES OF LOT ARE BEING PROPOSED OF THE TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE NINETY EIGHT ARE PROPOSED TO BE 70 FOOT LOTS BEING LOCATED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER 185 ARE PROPOSED TO BE 51 FOOT LOTS AND WILL BE LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, STAFF AGAIN RECOMMENDED THE TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT OF THE FRONT FACADE, UH, BE BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCT.
UH, THE PROPOSED SETBACKS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT ARE A 25 FOOT FRONT AND REAR FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL ALSO CALLS FOR 101.58 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE OR ABOUT 59.4% OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
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A 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY, UH, WOULD ALSO BE IN PLACE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY UNANIMOUSLY BY LOADS FIVE ZERO.I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, UH, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, JASON QUESTIONS? YES, GLEN, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY? UH, ON THE INTERIOR 50 FOOT LOT WITH 51 FOOT, ONE FOOT LOT WITH SOME FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS.
WHERE WE WANT TO REALLY PACK THEM IN THAT WAY.
I THINK THE SAME ONES I HAD BEFORE, WILL THERE BE A LIGHT ON TO EXCESS PEOPLE TURNING IN AND OUT OF OFF CHAMBER? I'M SORRY.
DID YOU SAY LIGHT LIGHT TRAFFIC LIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WAS SUGGESTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND WILL THIS CONNECT THE BACK PART OF DIAL AND WHATNOT? I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS POINT, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROJECT.
DOES IT, BUT UP TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN CONNECT WITH, I WILL DEFER, UH, TO MR. CHAD CALCI ON THIS, AS HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT VERY CLOSELY ON THE STREET THAT IT WILL CONNECT TO, CORRECT.
I CAN NOT ANSWER THAT, BUT I KNOW THE APPLICANTS.
I KNOW THAT ONE I LIVE IN THERE.
UM, WE DID TALK WITH THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WHEN THEY CAME IN, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE CONSIDERED FOR HOW TO CONNECT THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION TO, UM, UH, TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY SPEAK IN GREATER DETAIL TO THAT.
UH, GOOD EVENING, JOHN BILLS WITH DDC MANAGEMENT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, AS BRIAN SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR THIS PROJECT FOR A WHILE.
UM, WE DO SHOW THE ONE CONNECTION POINT.
UM, I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, MR. OTTO, UM, BUT WE DID SHOW ONE THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION THERE IS THERE THE REALITY OF IT? YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT TUCKS IN THERE.
THERE'S A STREAM CROSSING INVOLVED IN ALL THAT, BUT, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL AND STAFF FEELS IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CONNECTION POINT, UM, TO, TO GO INTO THERE, OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE ARE WILLING TO DO SO FOR THE CONNECTIVITY, UM, AS TO THE LOT SIZE ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY FOR JUST A MOMENT.
SO WE ARE ALSO THE DEVELOPER OF ACROSS THE STREET LEXINGTON PLACE, UM, AND THERE, AND THIS HAS BEEN A KIND OF A CONTINUATION FOR THAT.
AND A COUPLE OF THINGS COME INTO PLAY WITH IT.
IT'S A SIMILAR LOT SIZES THOUGH WHAT WE HAD OVER THERE, UM, FOR WHAT WE HAD GONE BACK AND GOT REAPPROVED.
UM, WE DID ADD IN THE 70 FOOT, AS YOU CAN SEE THE DARK ONES AROUND THE PERIMETER, ONE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, THERE IS NOBODY IN THE OTHER DIRECTIONS, BUT PART OF IT ALSO PLAYS INTO THE LOT SIZE.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.
YOU CAN SEE BY THE PLAN UP HERE, THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH IT.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS LIMITED AND WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE THAT WAS GOING TO BE LEFT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH ALMOST 60% GREEN SPACE STAYING, IT'S MORE THAN WELL, MORE THAN MOST REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT MOST COMMUNITIES ANYWHERE DO ANYMORE.
UM, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO STRIVE FOR HERE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE, UM, INCLUDING, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE ALL THIS BELONGS, BUT DEDICATION OF PARK SPACE, AS WELL AS TRAILS, UH, TO UTILIZE THAT GREEN SPACE AND REALLY WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO TIE IN THAT, TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS REQUIRED.
SOME OF THOSE SMALLER LOTS IN ORDER TO STILL MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE.
UM, BUT WE THOUGHT IT BROUGHT A GOOD BALANCE OF KEEPING 60% GREEN SPACE AND TRAILS AND NATURE AND ALL OF THAT, AND TRIED TO CLUSTER THEN SOME OF THE HOUSES AROUND IT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE HOPE FOR THAT IN THE DESIGN.
UM, I HAD SOME HEARTBURN ON SOME VERY MINOR ISSUES, BUT, UM, I'M WILLING TO OVERSEE THEM.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ONE THAT I GUESS I'M HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH AND I'M HOPING YOU CAN HELP ME.
UM, OR, OR JASON, UM, PLEASE GO BACK AND TELL ME WHY WE'VE DECIDED TO MAKE THE CONNECTION TO SAM HAVE VIEW.
I WOULD PREFER NOT TO, I CAN'T ANSWER.
SO LET ME, LET ME KIND OF GO IN A LITTLE FURTHER EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, UH, THIS COUNCIL HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA OF ST.
BELLEVUE IN DIAL ON HOW THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC X, ESPECIALLY THOSE AT THE END OF
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SANDOW VIEW, UM, A FAMILY HAD ASKED ME VERY DIRECTLY NOT TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING NEAR THERE OR ANY CUT THROUGHS.AND I TOLD THEM THERE WAS NO PLANS AT THAT TIME BECAUSE I HAD NOT SEEN THIS, UM, SAME WITH THE RESIDENTS ON DIAL WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIAL PART.
IT IS MY REQUEST TO HAVE THAT, UH, SANDRO VIEW ROAD, UM, ELIMINATED.
WE HAVE THE TWO ENTRANCE POINTS THAT CAN BE TURNED INTO BOULEVARD, ENTRANCES.
UM, AND, UH, I WOULD BE SATISFIED AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME WHY, WHY THAT CUT-THROUGH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW IN MY OPINION, ALL WE'VE NOW TURNED THAT THROUGH AS A, AS A CUT-THROUGH, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO EITHER LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OR LIVE ON THE, UH, UM, AND THE AREA WHERE MYSELF AND MR OTTO LIVES, UM, OR EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE TO CUT THROUGH THERE, NOT FOR JUST RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC UNDERSTOOD.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WISHES TO MOVE FORWARD AS A DISCUSSION POINT OR TO TAKE OUT OF THIS PROJECT, I'M SURE THAT THE DEVELOP CERTAINLY WILLING TO, AND THAT IS, THAT IS AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY PAIN POINT THAT I HAVE IT, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO START CONNECTING THE CITY IN ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONNECT, TO GET SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES AND OLD TROY'S A HOTSPOT.
IF WE CAN CONNECT THEM JUST AS HIGHBURY CONNECTS, MOST OF CITY ROSEBURY CONNECTS MOST THE CITY.
WE NEED TO START CONNECTING MOST OF THE CITY OVER THERE TO, AND, AND, AND MAYOR, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCIL AND BAKER'S COMMENT ON THAT.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS CAN WE FIND A DIFFERENT CONNECTION? CAUSE WE JUST HAD THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS COMPLETELY FILLED WITH PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY DID NOT WANT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON SAN NOVIO.
AND DIAL, LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS SAY, HEY, WE KNOW YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT A PARK, BUT THIS IS A BOATLOAD OF RESIDENTS WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE NOW.
UM, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HASH REHASH THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, AGAIN, IF WE CAN FIND A DIFFERENT CONNECTION POINT, I WOULD BE A MINIMAL TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD BE IN.
THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH STAFF.
THERE REALLY IS NO OTHER, UM, ENGINEERING FEASIBLE WAY TO MAKE ANOTHER CONNECTION POINT WITH THE PROJECT.
THIS ONE, AND IT'S GOTTEN EVEN MORE CHALLENGING AS WE'VE GOTTEN FURTHER INTO DETAILED DESIGN TO MAKE THIS CONNECTION.
THERE'S A STRING CROSSING AND IT IS IT'S COMPLICATED AND WORKING THROUGH WITH ARMY CORPS, UH, FOR THAT BACK CONNECTION AS IT IS DRONE, BUT IT'S REALLY THE ONLY CONNECTION THAT COULD BE MADE.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
THIS CONNECTION HAS IS, AND I'M SURE IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHY IT WAS INITIALLY DONE IS ACTUALLY A BIT DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I MEAN, I BELIEVE THE NEED AND TALKING IN, IN, UH, TO KATHLEEN'S POINT HERE, I DO BELIEVE CONNECTIVITY IS GOOD IN GENERAL AND THAT, THAT IS A GOOD PRACTICE OF CITIES AND ALL OF THAT.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY POINT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST THAT HERE, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.
THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THERE IS A STREAM CROSSING THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE BACK, WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO ON THE FRONT THEY'RE MINOR ONES THAT WE HAVE ON THE FRONT THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH FOR THE ENGINEERING, ADDING THE THIRD ONE IN THE BACKS CREATES PROBLEMS WITH ARMY CORP PERMITTING.
AND, AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ON A TOPIC THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF DIAL PARK.
THERE'S A FAMILY THAT LIVES AT THE END OF THAT STREET AND THEY'RE A YOUNG FAMILY.
AND THAT FATHER CALLED AND ASKED ME DIRECTLY, WILL THERE BE ANYTHING BUILT NEXT TO THERE ANY INCREASED TRAFFIC? I'M NOT FOR THAT.
AND I SAID, NO, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PARKING LOTS AT THE END OF YOUR STREET.
AND THERE, THERE IS NO OTHER CONNECTION, NO HOMES BEING BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU.
UM, NOW I, OF COURSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SEVERAL BUFFER BECAUSE WE HAD A, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS AT THAT TIME, NO MENTION OF A STREET.
UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE MEDICAL ISSUES AND HIS FAMILY'S PRIVACY, YOU KNOW, I GAVE HIM PEACE ON THAT.
NOW, IF I HAVE TO GO BACK TO HIM AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PR A PRIVATE ROAD IN THERE.
AND A LOT OF OTHER RESIDENTS UP AND DOWN SAND HILL VIEW, WHO CAME TO THIS COUNCIL AND SIGNED PETITIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER TOPICS WAS TRAFFIC AND INCREASED PARKING, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, I THINK, UH, WE'RE BITING OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW THAT'S AGAIN, JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS COUNCIL WHO I'M SURE WILL SPEAK TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE FULL CONNECTIVITY OF THE CITY WELL ENOUGH.
LIKE, I'M NOT SURE ONCE YOU CONNECT INTO THAT OLDER, YOU KNOW, THE SUBDIVISION UP THERE, UM, I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY FROM THIS SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO GO OUT THAT WAY TO CUT ANYWHERE THEY WILL.
OH, THAT'S A BE SUCH AN EASY CUT-THROUGH TO KROGER'S AND EVERYTHING.
OH, THEY STAY OFF TORY ALL TOGETHER KIND OF STRAIGHT THROUGH AND SHOOT UP TAYLORSVILLE.
THAT'S WHY I PREFACED THE REASON YOU'RE NOT KNOW THE INTERNET,
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EVERY ONE OF THOSE.AND AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD CUT-THROUGH BUT I JUST GO BACK TO THOSE PREVIOUS CONCERNS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN BAKER DOES HAVE A POINT.
I AGREE WITH THE CONNECTIVITY PIECE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW CAN GET THE PREVIOUS ISSUE AND THIS ISSUE WITHOUT PUTTING A STOPLIGHT ON CHAMBERSBURG, IF YOU NEED TO GO NORTH, YOU GO OUT THE TOP OF THE EXIT OF THE SUBURB.
IF YOU NEEDED TO GO MA MA MAKING MORE, RIGHT.
TURNS IS SAFER VERSUS LEFT TURNS WITH NO LIGHTS.
AND I, UM, BRIAN I'D LIKE, AND I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK FULLY TO THIS TONIGHT OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE ARE SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THROUGHOUT IT.
IT'S NOT A LIGHT, UM, IT'S, IT'S IN THE VICINITY THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY HELP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN THIS.
SO, UM, RELATIVE TO JOHN'S COMMENTS.
SO, UM, REGARDING THE NORTHERN CONNECTION POINT, I WOULD CONFIRM WITH FIRE THAT THAT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR ACCESSIBILITY PURPOSES BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S ON THE NORTH END.
AND IF IT IS AN ISSUE, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MITIGATE COUNSEL'S CONCERN WITH PERHAPS A, AN ACCESS GATE OR CRASH GATE OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY FOR FIRE TO ACCESS, UH, FROM THE NORTH, BUT THE GATE WOULD PROHIBIT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, NORTH AND SOUTH FROM THIS SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH, UM, AND HAVING THAT BECOME A CONNECTOR.
SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH, UM, FIRE TO CONFIRM, UM, AND A FIRE ONLY NEEDS THIS FOR, UM, ACCESS.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING THAT GATE OR THAT, UM, SAFETY CONNECTIVITY, AS OPPOSED TO THE FREE-FLOWING TRAFFIC CONNECTIVITY, TO JOHN'S OTHER POINT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
SO, UM, TO THE POINT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE CITY HAS A PHASED IMPROVEMENT TO CHAMBERSBURG, WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE IN 2025, UM, WE WILL BE ASSESSING THE CITY SHARE, WHICH IS ABOUT JUST OVER A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.
WE WILL BE ASSESSING THAT FULL SHARE TO DIS SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND THE RESIDENTS THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL PAY FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT IN THAT IS TO LOWER THE HILL, WIDEN THE ROAD, PUT IN CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THERE IS THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE SEE THERE TODAY, UH, AS THE ROAD CONDITIONS WILL NOT BE THE ROAD CONDITIONS AS WELL.
WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THIS SUBJECT YET WITH COUNCIL BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT YET PRESENT, BUT WE WOULD ALSO BE RECOMMENDING THE OVERLAY OF A TIF DISTRICT HERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE TIF THAT WOULD BE APPLIED THERE IS A CRA HERE.
SO THIS IS A TAX EXEMPT LOCATION FOR 15 YEARS, WHICH IS WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS, THE TIFF THAT WE WOULD OVERLAY, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL ASSIGN AS THE PROJECT, THE RECONDITIONING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS SUBDIVISION OF THE, UM, OF THE, UM, LEXINGTON PLACE SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS THE QUAIL RIDGE SUBDIVISION, WHICH MAKE UP THIS QUADRANT.
SO WHEN THE TAXES ARE FINALLY PAYABLE ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE DEDICATED TO REPLACE AND MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS IN THESE SUBDIVISIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS THE EXISTING LEXINGTON PLACE TIFF IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THEIR SUBDIVISIONS THAT TIFF, WHICH HAD JUST STARTED COLLECTING REVENUE THIS YEAR IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO A FUND.
THE, UM, IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO FUND THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE ARE, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.
WE WILL BE WORKING WITH YOU COUNCIL TO FIND A WAY TO REASSIGN THOSE DOLLARS TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THESE SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL.
SO, UH, THIS PROJECT, UM, DOES BRING MONEY TO HELP ADDRESS THE NEEDS THAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO ADDRESS.
SO, UM, WE ARE WORKING WHEN WE HAVE WILLING AND ABLE DEVELOPERS TO PARTNER WITH, TO ADDRESS THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE TODAY ON CHAMBERSBURG IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WILL BE IN CHAMBERSBURG TOMORROW.
UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SO, AND I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS ABLE TO BRING THAT UP OR NOT.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BRIAN, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE A YEAR MAYBE, OR SO WE'D BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LONG TIME, TRYING TO PARTNER WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE GREEN SPACE AND FIGURING OUT THAT WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROADS AND ALL OF THAT.
IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING WORKING SESSION WITH STAFF FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
I BELIEVE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS WELL FOR EVERYBODY.
AS A, AS A RESIDENT OF SANTA VIEW, I PERSONALLY TAKE NO BIG ISSUE WITH THE ATTACK.
THE CUT-THROUGH THE HOOKING TO SANDAL VIEW.
I WILL SAY THAT I CAN GUARANTEE
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YOU PROBABLY WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF COMPLETION, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TRAFFIC CONTROL LIGHTS AT SANDAL VIEW AND TAILORS OR RUSTIC WOODS IN TAYLORSVILLE.I GUARANTEE THAT THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UM, WAS THAT NEITHER ONE NOW NEED ONE NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S TIMES YOU NEED ONE NOW AND PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT, BUT AGAIN, I JUST, I REALLY WISH THE DENSITY JUST WEREN'T SO HIGH, THESE, THESE NARROW SIDE LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, PACKING THEM IN.
I WISH I WAS WAITING TO GET LESS DENSE.
I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN ONLY DEVELOP A SMALL AMOUNT OF IT, AND YOU WANT TO GET AS MUCH IN THERE AS YOU CAN FOR YOUR, TO GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH.
UM, BUT I WISH THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD GET JUST A LITTLE IN THERE ANYWAY, DON, THANK YOU, UH, TO THE DEVELOPER, DO YOU ENVISION THIS AS HAVING THE SAME, I'LL SAY CHARACTER TYPE OF HOMES AS WHAT I'M SEEING IN LEXINGTON PLATES, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS AND THAT, THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP WHERE WE'RE WILLING TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDER, UM, SPECIFIC BUILDER, UM, IN MIND THEIR WORSE, UM, ELEVATIONS EXAMPLE ELEVATIONS OF IT.
BUT YES, WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A SIMILAR QUALITY IN THAT, TO WHAT LEXAN COMPLAINTS WAS THE SAME TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD, SAME TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT, THAT IS THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT.
AND WITH MORE GREEN SPACE AND SOME OTHER FEATURES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE CITY.
SO WE FIGURED IT'S GOT A, PROBABLY A BETTER AMENITY PATCH PACKAGE THAT GOES WITH IT AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT THE HOUSE TYPES WOULD BE SIMILAR, RIGHT? UM, WELL TO, UM, COUNCILMAN CHARLES CONCERN, UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE AND THAT IS, I DO KNOW THAT ON SOME OF WHAT I'LL CALL OUR STUFF, STREETS, STREETS THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED BY CHARLIE WHEN HE WAS BUILDING YOUR BRIAN'S.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE GROWN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THEY LIVE ON A DEAD END SUB STREET, UH, STUB STREET.
MY CONCERN SPEAKS TO WHAT COUNSELING AND BAKER ARE BROUGHT UP IN THAT IS, UM, CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I LIKED THE IDEA OF WALKABLE BIKEABLE CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE KIDS TO LIVE THERE, TO RIDE THEIR BIKES DOWN THAT CONNECTOR STREET.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT, UM, POLICE AND MTS HAVE QUICK AND EASY ACCESS FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHOULD THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEED TO GET TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN.
AND, UH, UH, TO BRIAN, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE KNOX BOX GATING STUFF THAT WE TYPICALLY DO, THAT'S FINE FOR THAT CALAMITY THAT WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO A ROUTINE NEIGHBORHOOD PATROL AN OFFICER THAT'S DOING THE BEAT THERE AND IS ABLE TO GO QUICKLY FROM RICHARD'S NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND VICE VERSA.
SO I AM GOING TO ALWAYS BE A PROPONENT OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I KNOW IT MAY INCONVENIENCE A FEW, BUT I THINK OVERALL THE GREATER GOOD OF THIS CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOODS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE, AS A COUNCIL NEED TO STRIVE FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
ONE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TOO, UM, I THINK WAS THE ABILITY TO, WE START, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BIKABILITY AND ACCESS DOWN TO, UM, THE MIAMI TRAIL THERE ALONG RIP RAMP.
SO IF WE HAVE ACCESS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THIS ONE DOWN TO CHAMBERSBURG WHERE EVENTUALLY THE BIKE PATH CAN GO AND EXTEND AND GET DOWN THAT WAY TO GET ACCESS TO THAT, UM, MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BIKABILITY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IF WE S IF THAT'S SEALED OFF, THAT JUST ELIMINATES ONE MORE AREA WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS CHAMBERSBURG THE SIDEWALKS ON DOWN ON DOWN TO THE, TO THE BIKE PATH, UM, ON, ON THE DENSITY ISSUE.
I KNOW THAT DENSITY IS ALWAYS, UM, A TOPIC THAT COMES UP, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, I HAVE, UM, AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S LIKE.
I WAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS FOR SOME TIME, SOME TIME AGO, AND WE STARTED A PROJECT CALLED ARTISAN WALK.
UH, AND I KNOW WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING AS DENSE AS ARTISTS WALKING THIS CITY, THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE PROPOSED 20 YEARS AGO, AND ONCE THE HOUSING RECESSION HAD STOPPED AND PEOPLE STARTED BUILDING AGAIN, I MEAN, THEY WERE, I
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MEAN, THERE ARE SMALL LOTS UP THERE, BUT THEY WERE BUILDING THOSE HOUSES FASTER THAN THEY CAN SELL THEM.AND I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DENSITY, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU OR I WOULD BUY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES.
MAYBE I WOULDN'T BUY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S ABOUT, IS THERE A MARKET FOR IT? AND ARE PEOPLE BUYING HOUSES THAT ARE ON A 50 FOOT OR 51 FOOT LOT WITH A FIVE, FIVE YARD, FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD.
SO I DON'T GET AS HUNG UP ON DENSITY IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT AS ONE, LIKE WE HAD BEFORE, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW PROJECT RIGHT NEXT TO ANOTHER PROJECT, THAT'S GONNA COMPLETELY CHANGE THE LOOK AND FEEL FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE OTHER HOMEOWNERS.
BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS IN HERE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A BIGGER YARD IN THIS PROJECT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AND IF THEY PREFER LESS MAINTENANCE, THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, A FINE LINE WHERE COUNCIL HAS TO LOOK AT WELL, IF A DEVELOPER IS IN FRONT OF US AND TELLING US WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEIR MARKET IS, AND WHAT'S GOING TO SELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS MUCH AS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FROM DENSITY, FROM OUR OWN PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE LIKE OR WHAT WE DON'T LIKE.
PEOPLE ARE CLEARLY BUYING HOUSES WITH FIVE FOOT YARDS, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING A DEVELOPMENT WITH FIVE FOOT YARDS.
UM, SO AGAIN, I DIDN'T SAY YOU ALWAYS COME, DENSITY IS ALWAYS ISSUE.
IT WAS AN ISSUE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT WE HAD TO PUSH FORWARD AND GET, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION 20 YEARS AGO TO THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAT PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE DIFFERENTLY NOW.
UM, AND THEY NEED OPTIONS, BUT IF THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT THAT'S IT YOUR RISK.
UM, NOW WE DON'T WANT EMPTY DEVELOPMENTS.
WE DON'T WANT A DEVELOPMENT TO START BEING BUILT.
THEY DON'T GET FINISHED AND NOBODY'S MOVING THERE.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, EBBS AND FLOWS OF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE CYCLES.
BUT, UM, OPTIONS, OPTIONS ARE A GOOD THING.
SO HOW, HOW DEEP, HOW DEEP ARE THE LOTS? SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT, SO IF WE HAVE FIVE FOOT YARDS ON EACH SIDE, IF I GOT A HOUSE THAT'S SITTING UP CLOSE, CLOSE TO THE STREET, LOOKING AT HOW LEXINGTON PLACE IS, HOW DEEP AS THOSE YARDS GOING TO GO BACK BEHIND THEM, ARE THEY GETTING EXTRA SPACE BACK THERE? ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO BE ON A POST-IT STAMP? I WAS DOUBLE-CHECKING TO MAKE SURE I'M ON HERE, BUT 120 FOOT DEEP IS OUR TYPICAL LAW.
SOME CAN HAVE MORE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT ABOUT 120 FEET IS THE TYPICAL LOCK DEPTH ON IT.
AND, OH, GO AHEAD AND MOVE BACK TO PLENTY OF IT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT WHAT YOU SAID, MR. MAYOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE PARTNERED WITH HUBER HEIGHTS HERE IN LEXINGTON PLACE FOR SOME TIME, AND WE DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE CITY HERE, BUT THEN ALSO IN OTHER STATES, OTHER MARKETS, UM, WE HAPPEN TO BE BASED HERE IN DAYTON, BUT WE DO DEVELOP ALL OVER AND IT IS, IT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT IS PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO NOT WANTING AS MUCH YARD, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY IF YOU GAVE THEM TWO EQUAL OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, A 50 FOOT OR A 70 FOOT, AND AT NO COST DIFFERENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY MIGHT TAKE THAT.
BUT NOBODY, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AT THIS POINT, AREN'T WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT.
A LOT OF THEM THEM WANT SMALLER YARDS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN IT.
THEY DON'T WANT DIFFERENT THINGS WITH IT.
AND, AND IT IS WHAT IS SELLING.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING PUSHED EVEN TO MORE EXTREMES THAN OTHER MARKETS.
LIKE WE'RE IN ORLANDO, WE'RE IN CHARLOTTE, WE'RE IN CHARLESTON TO WHERE THEY FOUND LIKE THEY'RE GOING DOWN TO 32 FOOT LOTS, WHICH FOR ME FROM THE MIDWEST, I CAN'T BELIEVE, BUT FOR THERE THEY SELL LIKE CRAZY AND IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
AND IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT MARKET AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
AND IT'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY WHAT I ALWAYS WANT, BUT WHAT I ENOUGH OF THE FAIRWAY OF THE MARKET, A BIG SWAP OF A WANT.
AND IT HAS SHOWN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT, THAT WE BELIEVE WE'RE SERVICING IT WITH THIS.
WE DO WANT SOME OF THE LARGER LOTS FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A SIDECAR INJURY OR A THREE-CAR GARAGE, OR THEY WANT SOME OTHER, UH, THINGS, BUT THAT THERE IS A DEFINITE MARKET FOR THE 40 FOOT BUILDING PAD.
I'M NOT GOING TO THROW THIS UP AS A ROADBLOCK, BUT I MEAN, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH WHAT I REALLY THINK IS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN THE WIDTH OF THE, THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS IS THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS.
I WOULD RATHER SEE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER DEPTH OF THE YARD TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE PAST EACH OTHER ON THE STREET, KNOWING THAT THERE IS A CAR PARKED THERE RATHER THAN LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M PULLING OVER AND I'M WAITING FOR THREE CARS TO COME BY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARKED ON THE STREET AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO GET BY.
I THINK THE WIDTH OF OUR STREETS IS A BIGGER PROBLEM BECAUSE IF, AND I WOULD BET YOU, IF YOU TOOK 10 FOOT, IF YOU MADE 120 FOOT LOT, 110 FOOT, LOT TO ALLOW FOR A BIGGER STREET, PEOPLE WOULD PREFER THAT THAN HAVING AN EXTRA 10 FOOT OF SPACE, THE BACK OF THEIR YARD, THAT THEY DON'T
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DO ANYTHING BUT NOT.SO I JUST BRING IT UP BECAUSE I KNOW AS WE DRIVE THROUGH OUR STREETS AND A LOT OF THESE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE SACRIFICING THAT SPACE AND WE'RE BUILDING THESE NARROW STREETS AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWING FOR GOOD TRAFFIC TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE WIDER STREET INCREASED SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND I GET IT.
BUT WE'RE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, MY PAIN IS OUR BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE WITHIN THE STREETS, RATHER THAN THE WIDTH OF THE LAWN.
GLEN, I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH THAT STREET WITH COMMENT WHATSOEVER.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT A DEMAND FOR THESE HOUSES.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WON'T SELL.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WON'T WANT THEM.
UM, WE'RE SEEING THIS HAPPEN, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WE'VE SEEN US REDUCE OUR REQUIREMENT ON LOT SIZES.
WE'VE SEEN US REDUCE OUR REQUIREMENT ON, ON MASONRY PRODUCTS OR BRICK BRICK, SO TO SPEAK ON, ON OUR HOMES.
WE WE'VE REDUCED A LOT OF THESE STANDARDS AND WE'RE PACKING FOLKS IN.
AND MY, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY WON'T BE ANY, BUT SHOULD WE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE PACK IN? IF YOU BRIGHT 70, 80, A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE PROBABLY.
AND HOW QUICKLY CAN WE DO IT? DO WE WANT TO DO THAT IN FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS? DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? IS THE QUESTION.
DO YOU WANT TO LIVE IN WHEN THIS TOWN BE COMFORTABLE TO YOU GUYS? IF IT HAD 80,000 PEOPLE IN IT OR, OR 60,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND? I MEAN, WE'RE CHANGING, WE'RE DRASTICALLY CHANGING THE FEEL OF THE CITY WHEN WE PACK EVERYBODY IN LIKE THIS THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT IS NOT SO MUCH.
IT'S NOT IN DEMAND, SHIRT'S IN DEMAND.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT LOVE TO HAVE HIGH DENSITY.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A LOT OF LARGE CITIES.
UM, THE FURTHER OUT YOU GET FROM A CITY, THE LESS DENSITY YOU TYPICALLY FIND, AND PEOPLE GO TO WHERE THEY LIKE, UM, WE CAN DO IT.
PEOPLE WILL BUY IT AGAIN, BUT IT DOES THAT FIT OUR COMMUNITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE HEIGHTS IS ABOUT THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND THAT'S WHY I BRING UP DENSITIES BECAUSE MEN WE'RE POPPING OFF WITH JUST DEVELOPMENT AFTER DEVELOPMENT, APARTMENT COMPLEX, APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE THROWING UP 50 OR A HUNDRED UNITS AT A TIME HERE.
FOLKS, WE'RE GOING, WE KNOW 300 UNITS A POP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I MEAN, IT'S EXPLOSIVE RIGHT NOW.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T DO IT.
IT'S NOT THAT IT WON'T GET SOLD.
I BELIEVE IT WILL, BUT IT DRASTICALLY CHANGES THE FACE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? IF IT IS GREAT, IF WE WANT TO BE A CITY OF 60 OR 80 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE.
BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION TO BE ASKED? I THINK SO THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT WITH DENSITY.
IT'S NOT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT NOW.
BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD MAYBE TO THAT ON THE DENSITY IS I THINK THERE'S TWO, TWO THINGS AT HAND HERE.
ONE IS DENSITY AND ONE'S LOT SIDES AND THEY, THEY AREN'T THE SAME THING.
THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST DENSITY.
WHEN YOU TAKE THE ACREAGE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT 1.65 UNITS, THE ACRE I, YOU WOULD BE HARD PRESSED PROBABLY TO FIND ANOTHER COMMUNITY IN HUBER HEIGHTS WITH A LOWER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED HERE BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH GRAY SPACE AND WHAT WE'RE GIVING.
I MEAN, I KNOW LEXINGTON PLACE IS HIGHER.
THE APARTMENTS ARE AT WHATEVER 12 OR HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A VERY LOW DENSITY, IT'S JUST GOT LOTS, SMALL LOT SIZES AS WELL, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S UNBUILDABLE, IF YOU SHRUNK IT DOWN TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH JUST SIMPLY ENCLOSED THE HOMES, EVEN IF YOU CAME OUT A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS IN EITHER DIRECTION TO MAKE THAT FOOTPRINT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DENSE BECAUSE THESE ARE PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, I GET, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA PROPERTY THERE, BUT IT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS STILL PACKED.
THE, THE PART OF THAT IS BEING BUILT IS PACKED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, FOR SURE.
MA'AM UM, YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A PIECE, WHICH AGAIN, I ALSO CAN NOT DISAGREE WITH, WHICH IS THE, THE ROAD SIZE.
UM, I'M GOING TO GO WITH MY SAME OBJECTION HERE, WHICH IS SANDAL VIEW.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO NOW ADD IN YOUR ROAD SIZE.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN SANDAL VIEW, IT IS A UNMARKED ROAD CURRENTLY, AND YOU CAN NOT GET TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE, DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD WITH CARS PARKED ON THE ROAD.
HOWEVER YOU FLIP THAT ENTRANCE DOWN TO RUSTIC WOODS.
YOU'VE GOT SIDE-BY-SIDE TRAFFIC AND YOU CAN GET BY WITH CARS ON EACH SIDE.
IF IT COULD BE DONE IS TRY TO CONNECT THAT, UM, TO RUSTIC WOODS A YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH SANDAL VIEW TO TURN LEFT AND THEN TURN RIGHT AGAIN, TO GET THE TAYLORSVILLE OR TO CUT DOWN SANDOW VIEW AND THEN TURN RIGHT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH, UM, DIAL AND A BUNCH OF STOP SIGNS BY TAKING IT STRAIGHT OFF THE RUSTIC.
YOU HAVE A STREET SHOT OUT THERE THAT YOU COULD, THEN AGAIN, WE CAN ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL THERE AT
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RUSTIC AND TAYLORSVILLE.I THINK THAT JUST MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE, ESPECIALLY BRINGING UP THE ROAD SIZE CONVERSATION.
UM, LOOK ON THE SAME BULLET I LIVE ON CHARLES GATE.
IT'S BORING ENOUGH CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF STREET AND WE HAVE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WHEN I TURN OFF OF SHOLANDA DEER HAVEN TO GET TO CHARLES GATE, I CAN'T, I'M SITTING, WAITING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO COME BY BEFORE I CAN.
TWO CARS PARKED ON SANDAL VIEW ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
YOU'RE ONLY GETTING ONE CAR DOWN THERE AND I'M GOING TO BE SHOCKED ONCE WE GET THE TILLER FIRE TRUCK IN ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO FIT DOWN THAT STREET WITHOUT TAKING SOME YEARS OFF.
BUT AGAIN, RUSTIC, IT'S A LOT WIDER.
IT'S MARKED, I DON'T KNOW, RUSTIC.
OH, IT'S JUST THE, IT'S JUST THE NEXT STREET.
UM, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE TO CONNECT TO IS THE PROBLEM THAT THIS ONE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE CITY THAT WAS ENGINEERINGLY FEASIBLE TO CONNECT.
THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF COMPOUNDS MY ISSUES.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE RESIDENTS AND LET'S SAY HALF OF THEM SAY, I NOW WANT TO CUT THROUGH, TO GO TO KROGER'S USING SANDAL VIEW VIEW IS ALREADY A SMALL ROAD AS IT IS WHERE CARS CAN PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
AND YOU HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GOING UP THERE TO THEN TURN LEFT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE, TO TURN RIGHT ON RUSTIC, TO TURN RIGHT ON TO TAYLORVILLE, TO GO TO KROGER'S.
NOW WE HAVE JUST THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE, EVERYBODY GET WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
UM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU'VE GOT THE SAME NUMBER AND TURN RIGHT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE AND TAKE IT UP THE DIAL TO TURN LEFT, TO GET ON THE TAYLORSVILLE, PICKING UP WHAT I'M PUTTING DOWN, I JUST THINK YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST READY FOR THIS BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, BY GOING DOWN THE RUSTIC.
I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF MAYBE WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH, UH, W WITH THE ENGINEER, WITH YOUR PLANNERS TO SEE YOU SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
HOWEVER, IF THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY, AND I THINK THERE'S A WILL TO GET THE SAMUEL VIEW.
CAN WE FIND A WAY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WITH ENOUGH MONEY POSSIBLE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A FEASIBLE PROJECT FOR THE PROJECT WORK.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN BUILD A BRIDGE ACROSS THE NOTION.
UM, YOU CAN DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, A GOVERNMENT GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR IT, AS OPPOSED TO AN ENGINEER GOING THROUGH ARMY CORPS OR, UH, A DEVELOPER DOING IT.
BUT, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT IT AGAIN WITH STAFF OR WHATEVER, BUT I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LOOK AT ALL THE CONNECTIONS AND WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T FEASIBLE ORIGINALLY.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
I'M GOING TO, ESPECIALLY SINCE SOME AIR BROUGHT UP ROADSIDES, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE DESIGN, UM, WHAT'S THAT AS WELL, WE UTILIZE THE CITY SPEC FOR ROADS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO YOUR SPECIFICATIONS.
WE UTILIZED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN YOUR CITY, CITY SPECIFICATIONS FOR YEAH.
CAUSE EVEN IF YOU JUST PULL UP GOOGLE MAPS AND YOU PUT YOUR LITTLE YELLOW GUY ON THERE AND YOU LOOK AT ST.
LOUIS VIEW AND WALKING DOWN AND THEN GO OVER TO RUSTIC, WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF SAN VIEW.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING LESS THAN WHAT YOUR YEAH.
YOUR GUIDANCE IS, BUT THANK YOU MAYOR THOUGH, FOR BRINGING IT UP.
THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GOOD POINT TO BRING UP.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, DON? SORRY.
AND JASON, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T THERE, UH, SCHOLARS FARTHER FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
DID YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ANY, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, CONNECTION TO RUSTIC WOODS? I MEAN, LITERALLY IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR PLOT MAP THERE, I THINK THAT IS RUSTIC WOODS.
THAT'S NOTED ON THE, UM, AT THE VERY TOP PORTION, UH, PROBABLY W I'M GOING TO SAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1,012 HUNDRED FEET AND IN THE WAY THAT WE DID, UM, NOT AT PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR LIKE CLOSE TO A YEAR IN, EARLY ON.
WE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND LOOKED AT IT.
IT'S HARD TO SEE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TOPO BACK FOR THAT AREA, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CONNECTION IS.
UM, UP THERE, THE STREAM ALMOST COMES TO A HAND LIKE IT GETS, UM, LESS DRASTIC THAN THE TOPOGRAPHY AS YOU GET FURTHER EAST.
AND YOU'RE COMING UP TO THE HILL THAT GOES UP TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE, AS YOU PROGRESS FURTHER WEST THAT THE STREAM AND WHEN THEY'RE CROSSING IN, STARTS TO WIDEN DRASTICALLY.
AND IT ACTUALLY, I THINK AT ONE POINT, AND THEN WHEN I'D WALK IN AND THERE'S LIKE A FORK WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY LIKE TWO STRINGS THAT COME OUT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT TOPO IN HERE, UM, FROM IT, YOU KNOW, WE USE GIS TOPO ORIGINALLY AND WALKED IT WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE.
AND IT'S WHEN YOU START TO GET NOT VERY MUCH FURTHER WEST, IT'S ALREADY HARD WITH THE STREAM THAT AS A NARROWED UP THERE FURTHER EAST, YOU GET FURTHER WEST, LIKE YOU'RE NOT TALKING A NORMAL BRIDGE TYPE CROSSING EVEN TO DO THIS.
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OF HOW WIDE IT GOT.UH, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? WE, UM, I'M ACTUALLY WALKED THAT DOWN.
THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T FEASIBLE.
IT VERY QUICKLY GETS VERY WIDE, UM, OF A CROSSING THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
LET'S BE A PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL ASK THEN IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING US ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING, UH, WITH THE ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, ONE QUESTION, JASON, ARE YOU ABLE TO CONFIRM, I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS BEEN SOME BODY MOVEMENTS WITH INSIDE CITY HALL HAS ALL THE REQUIRED NOTICES HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT TO THE RESIDENTS AND WHERE THEY MILLED OUT TO RESIDENTS ON SANDHILL VIEW RUSTIC AND THE ADJOINING AREAS.
WELL, ALL UNNECESSARY MAILINGS ARE MAILED TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROJECT.
I CAN CONFIRM WHERE THOSE MAILINGS WENT.
UM, BUT EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A NOTICE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST THE DEVELOPED PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SITE FROM CORRECT.
SO ALL OF BASICALLY ALL OF TIMBER VIEW AND IF GOD CORRECT NOTIFICATION, YES.
WE HAD DONE SOME SIGNAGE ADVERTISING, ZONING CHANGES.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BEFORE, UM, HOW, HOW SOON CAN WE GET OUT THERE AND GET SOME ZONING SIGNS UP? SO PEOPLE AROUND KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING SO THEY CAN CALL SURE.
I, I MEAN, THAT NEEDS TO BE STANDARD PRACTICE IN MY OPINION, MOVING FORWARD, BUT I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT MAYOR.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITE DID HAVE A SIGN ON CHAMBERSBURG, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE SANDAL SIDE, BUT IT WAS, IT DID HAVE ONE OF THE SIGNS ON CHAMBERSBURG ADVERTISING THE ZONING CASE, NOT SURE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING FROM ZONING, AT LEAST HERE, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET ON THAT TOMORROW TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SIGNAGE BEYOND WHAT MAILINGS HAPPEN? SO AS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING, THEY CAN SEE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING COMING UP AS A HEARING WITH THE NUMBER THEY CAN CALL.
HOW WE DID THAT BEFORE I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AND IT LETS MORE PEOPLE SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE BECOME AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT WITH THE SIGNAGE.
WOULD YOU LIKE SIGNAGE ON BOAT CHAMBERS RING AND THE DEAD END OF SANDAL VIEW WE'RE ON THAT BACKSIDE GOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
I WOULD SAY STAND OVER YOU AND RUSTIC.
I THINK YOU CAN'T SAY ENOUGH NICE THINGS ABOUT STAFF.
IT'S BEEN A LOT THE LAST YEAR GETTING TO IT.
UM, BUT IT, IT HAS BEEN A GOOD PROCESS WORKING AND WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP ON LEXINGTON AS WELL.
[ ZC 21-37 - Megan Prather - 6119 Brandt Pike - Rezoning/Basic and Detailed Development Plans]
UP IS ITEM THREE IN THAT WHICH IS OWNING IN CASE 21 DASH 37.UH, MEGAN PREY THERE AT 61 19 BRENT PIKE, REZONING THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE APPLICANT, MEGAN PRATER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF ONE ACRE TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW DOGTOWN FACILITY AT 61 19 BRANT PIKE.
UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR THIS PARCEL IS A PLAN THAT MIXED USE OF THE SANITARY SEWER AND WATER WILL CONNECT TO THE CITY'S MAIN SYSTEM.
UH, AT THE EDGE OF THE PARCEL OF THE STORMWATER WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH A PUBLIC STORM SEWER, WHICH FLOWS TO AN EXISTING DETENTION BASIN TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
21 PARKING SPACES ARE PROPOSED.
TWO OF WHICH ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY, UH, COMES OFF AN EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENT THAT LEADS NOT ONLY TO BRAND PIKE, BUT ALSO TO FISHBURNE ROAD.
UH, THE LIGHTING FOR THIS SITE SHALL FOLLOW ALL CITY CODES.
UH, LANDSCAPING WAS PROVIDED, UH, IN ALL DRIVE AND PARKING ISLANDS AND AROUND THE MONUMENT SIGN, THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN, A 10 FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGN IS PROPOSED.
UH, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THIS SIGN BE LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND 75 TOTAL SQUARE FEET AND SIGN AREA.
ONE WALL SIGN WAS ALSO PROPOSED WITH THE STACK RECOMMENDATION BEING A MAXIMUM 75 SQUARE FEET.
UH, BOTH OF THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD MEET THE CURRENT CITY CODE.
UH, THE BUILDING IS PLANNED TO BE TWO STORIES IN IS CONSTRUCTED OF BRICK
TWO OUTDOOR DOG PARK AREAS ARE PROPOSED.
UH, BOTH OF WHICH ARE FURTHER AWAY, UH, FOR MANY RESIDENTIAL THAN THE CURRENT DOG
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TOWN USE.UH, AND THEY WILL BE SURROUNDED BY A SIX FOOT PICKET FENCE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY, AND I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT FOR, UH, MS.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS ON DUNK DOGTOWN THAT JOB OR PROJECT ITSELF I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
NOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT ONE OF THE ACCESS POINTS TO THIS BEING FROM FITCHBURG, CORRECT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION UP HERE, FOLKS ABOUT THAT ACCESS ROAD THAT'S THERE.
UM, I HAVE A, UH, A FUNNY FEELING THAT WE'RE, WE, WE ARE PLANNING RIGHT NOW ON UTILIZING THAT, UH, ACCESS ROAD TO ACCESS ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT WE WANT TO DO OVER THERE.
AND THAT'S NOT OUR ROAD, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, WE MIGHT WANT TO ENTERTAIN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER OF SAID ROAD.
I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TRANSFER THAT OVER IF WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THAT.
UM, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS SOONER THAN LATER, I THINK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF WE'RE PLANNING OUR DEVELOPMENT BASED UPON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, THAT'S REALLY NOT VERY PROPER.
I DON'T THINK IF WE'RE PLANNING THE USE OF THAT ROAD TO GET INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S NOT A ROAD IT'S, IT'S AN ACCESS DRIVE FOR ONE PARTICULAR ENTITY.
SO I KNOW WHO OWNS THAT, THAT WE HAVE A ACCESS EASEMENT TO USE AS DID MARION METALS AND CR DAYTON.
YOU MEAN TH TH WHO, WHO DOES THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT, THAT LITTLE PIECE OF DRIVE THE ACCESS ROAD? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT CR DAYTON AND MARION MEADOWS, THOSE TWO ENTITIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO INGRESS THE NEGRESS OVER THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE ARE THE SUCCESSORS TO BOTH OF THEM, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO INGRESS AND EGRESS OVER THAT PORTION TO OUR PROPERTIES.
BUT IT'S SOMEONE AT SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY THOUGH.
WE JUST HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO USE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL A JOINT AND RECIPROCAL EASEMENT AND THAT'S TO THE MAINTENANCE.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO, WHO ACTUALLY MAINTAINED.
OH, I KNOW, I KNOW WHO DOES, IT'S THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION.
AND WE, I THINK THE POST OFFICE ALSO DON'T THINK ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL.
THEY HAVE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THE EASEMENT AS WELL.
IT'S MULTIPLE PARTIES CAN USE THAT ROOM.
BUT I DON'T THINK, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT ATHLETIC FOUNDATION IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS UPKEEP MAINTENANCE.
WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, MAKE HIM MAKING THAT A PART OF OUR DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GETTING POSSESSION OF THAT IS I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, WE MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN VERY EASILY.
UM, AND, AND IF WE'RE PLANNING AGAIN, PLANNING A DEVELOPMENT BASED ON AN ACCESS ROAD THAT SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS AND HAS TO MAINTAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY PROPER.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT.
WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLORE THAT DISCUSSION ON, ON TAKING POSSESSION OF THAT ROAD.
CAUSE IT NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE TO ADMIT IT'S NOT THE NICEST JUNK TO DRIVE ON.
UM, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A SPOT THERE WHERE YOU COULD LOSE A SMALL CAR IN A SMART CAR OR SOMETHING ON ANY MORE GOOD.
UH, JERRY, UH, ISN'T THAT VERY SIMILAR TO THE ROAD THAT GOES DOWN TO GANDER MOUNTAIN.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? UM, THAT'S A SHARED EASEMENT AND ACTUALLY IT'S ALL THE ROADS IN THERE IN THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT THAT GO TO ALL THE DIFFERENT OUTLETS AND SUCH ARE ALL PRIVATE ROADS, PRIVATE EASEMENT.
AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY, UH, AT SOME POINT DOING SOME MAINTENANCE TO THAT ROAD.
WHAT EXTENT I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT AND GET BACK WITH US WITH THE ASSESSMENT AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING SAYS THE ACCESS AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE IN PLACE.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE IN THE BACK OF A NAPKIN TYPE OF AGREEMENTS THAT IT'S BASICALLY, I MEAN, IT'S RECORDED, IT'S THERE IT'S FOR ACCESS, BUT AS TO WHO MAINTAINED MAINTAINS IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TYPICALLY THAT IS DIVIDED AMONGST THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY THERE'S AN ASSESSMENT AND STUFF, BUT WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ON THAT.
AND GLENN, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY REACH OUT TO THE OWNER AND TRIED TO TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS WE'RE PLANNING ON OBVIOUS WE'RE PLANNING ON USING IT FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT PROBLEMS. SO THE PROJECT WARRANTS, OH, ABSOLUTELY.
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ABSOLUTELY SOME SIDEWALKS AND JUST MAKE IT 100% VIRTUAL.WELL, AND TO, UH, TO MR. CAMPBELL'S POINT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS OVER THE PAST FIVE, SIX MONTHS, I'VE BEEN ASKING TWO QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES UP TO THE BRAND PIKE, REVITALIZATION HAVE CONTACTED THE POST OFFICE.
HAVE WE CONTACTED THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION? BECAUSE I KNEW THIS TOPIC ALSO WAS GOING TO BE COMING UP.
I KNEW THE ROAD WAS A, WAS A CONVERSATION PIECE.
I THINK WE EVEN HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION, COME HERE AND ASK US ABOUT CONVERSATION.
SO YEAH, I'M WANTING TO SAY ABOUT, AT LEAST THE PAST FIVE MONTHS, I'VE BEEN ASKING THOSE SAME TWO QUESTIONS TO GET TO THAT POINT, UM, TO BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.
SO JERRY AND THAT ROAD IS ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S FIVE RECALL BY, BY THE ROAD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE SX FROM FITCHBURG TO IN FRONT OF WHAT THE DOG COUNTY IS NOW, I GUESS, OR PARK, WHATEVER IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
MEANING THE CITY OWNS PART OF IT BECAUSE WE OWN THE UNDERLYING LAND.
WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S OWNED BY A GUY WHO KNOWS A COMPANY THAT WAS OWNED BY SOMEBODY WHO THEY KEPT THIS ONE REALLY THIN PIECE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND THIS PERSON PASSED OUT AND WHATEVER.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT OR, UM, FOUNDATION, WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED.
SO THAT, THAT STRETCH OF LAND, EXCUSE ME, IS APOLOGIZING TO MY MICROPHONE.
UM, ACTUALLY OWNED BY THREE DIFFERENT, UH, FEE SIMPLE OWNERS, INCLUDING THE CITY.
I MEAN, IT PUT PORTIONS OF IT.
YOU COULD, YOU GET THE DETAILS ON THAT? AND SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT AGAIN, I THINK I'M WITH MR. CAMPBELL AND THEN WE'D TAKE POSSESSION.
THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE THIS PRETTY TOP-NOTCH AS AN ENTRANCE.
SO, AND HOPEFULLY GET ALL THAT WORK DONE THE SAME NIGHT.
HEY, THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BASIC AND DETAIL DEVELOPED PLAN FOR DOGTOWN.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY ON WITH THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE FINE.
EXCELLENT ASKED ONE TO SAY NO OBJECTIONS.
[ ZC 21-40 - Daniel Greene - 4270 Murdock Avenue - Rezoning]
THREE OH, WHICH IS ZONING CASE 21 DASH 40 DANIEL GREEN AT 42 70 MURDOCH AVENUE.UH, THE APPLICANT DANIEL GREEN IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REZONE FIVE LOTS, UH, AT 42 70 MURDOCH TO PLAN AT RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, ACCOMPANYING THIS REZONING REQUEST, UH, BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED THE COMBINATION OF THOSE FIVE LOTS, UH, TO CREATE ONE OWNERSHIP PARCEL, UH, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL USE THAT IS EXISTING.
UH, IT ALSO CLEANS UP OUR ZONING MAP, UH, WHICH IS A BONUS PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE, UH, APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD JASON, SIR, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THIS.
I AM CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS CONVERSATION A BIT AT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAME UP WITH? THE CITY CAME UP WITH? WE IDENTIFIED, THEY IDENTIFIED, TELL ME HOW, HOW IT ORIGINATED.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS FIVE LOTS.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S DIFFICULT COME TAX TIME.
AND I CAN'T BE CERTAIN OF THAT AND I DON'T CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, BUT IT WAS UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING.
THAT WAS HIS IDEA TO COME IN AND COMBINE THE FIVE, LOTS TO MAKE ONE UNDER SHIP ARSON.
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PARCELS IN TOWN AND ARE IN OUR CITY.
THAT'S LIKE THIS, YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE HAVE A BOATLOAD, WHICH IS WHY I PRESENTED A, A POSSIBILITY OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, ESPECIALLY DOWN IN MIAMI VILLA, UM, WHERE WE WORK WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS, TREASURER AND THE AUDITOR TO SEE IF WE CAN CORRECT THIS BECAUSE IT ONLY BENEFITS EVERYBODY.
UM, AND MOST OF THE TIME PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, IT'S A, COULD BE CUMBERSOME FOR THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF SOME COSTS AND LEGALITIES INTO THAT.
UM, I THINK WE, AS A CITY NEED TO TAKE A SPECIAL LOOK AND TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS, UM, FOR ALL THE EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHAT TYPE OF COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS CAN BE DONE.
CAUSE I'M SURE IT'S A BOATLOAD OF, UM, WELL HEARTACHE,
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UH, FOR THE TREASURER AND AUDITOR TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL FOR TAX PURPOSES.AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF LAND TRANSFER.
UM, I KNOW THIS TYPE OF SETUP IS ALMOST THE ENTIRE MIAMI VILLE APART.
THERE'S SOME OF THIS, UM, AND JASON CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
UM, UH, MORE OF THIS ACTUALLY IN WARD FIVE AS WELL, UH, ON MURDOCH.
UM, SO, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THIS AND, AND, AND POSSIBLY, UH, AND I'M NOT SAYING RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE A GAME PLAN INTO, TO NEXT YEAR ON, ON HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAT, UH, FOR NORMAL, OUR GIS SERVICE, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING MOVING INTO THE NEW YEAR.
UH, THEN I CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS, FIND OUT IF THERE IS A PROCESS THAT, UH, WE CAN GO THROUGH TO TRY TO MAKE THAT BECAUSE OF, IF WE TECHNICALLY LEGALLY SENT THIS INDIVIDUAL AND OWNER A LETTER, UM, WE WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A LARGE PARCEL, A NUMBER AND TAX ID NUMBER WE HAD TO PUT ON THAT OFFICIAL LETTER THAT GOES OUT TO THEM.
AND LEGAL, THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION HAS GOT TO BE A HOT MESS RIGHT NOW ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A PROJECT UNDERTAKING THAT COULD BE VERY, TO ALMOST NO IMPACT, UH, FINANCIALLY FOR THE CITY.
UM, IF WE PARTNER WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS EFFICIENTLY ON THIS.
I'D SAY I WOULD AGREE WITH MR. SHAW IF WE CAN IN ANY WAY.
UM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS OF THIS PROPERTY HAVE THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AND IF WE CAN GET TO THEM TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO RECTIFY THAT FOR YOU AND SIMPLE, YOUR SIMPLIFY YOUR LIFE.
UM, AND IT WOULD LIKE RICHARD WAS SAYING IT WOULD SIMPLIFY THE ACTUAL PLODDING AND WHATNOT AND THE MAPPING.
MA'AM SO JUST TO CLERK, THANK YOU.
MA'AM JUST TO CLARIFY JASON, THEY WANT TO BUNDLE THEIR PROPERTIES TOGETHER INTO ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND ENTITIES.
SO, SO THIS PARTICULAR OWNER, MR. GREEN OWNS THE FIVE HIGHLIGHTED PARCELS HERE.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HOUSE IS SITTING ON TWO PARCELS, WHICH WOULD BE NONCONFORMING IN TODAY'S CODE.
UH, THERE'S A DETACHED BUILDING, A SHED OR GARAGE THERE ALSO WOULD BE NONCONFORMING TO TODAY'S CODE.
UH, HE HAS MADE THE DECISION TO COMBINE THE FIVE, LOTS OF PARCEL.
I'M ASSUMING THEY MAKE IS LIKE SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER.
I'M WONDERING LIKE, WHY WAS IT THAT I LANDED AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY HE DID IT.
UM, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
THE FEATURE REALLY, REALLY DENSE IS HONING BACK.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, CERTAINLY INITIALLY WE CAN GET INTO AND WE CAN LOOK INTO, UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT'S NOT IT AT A, A MAJOR COST OTHER THAN THE, UM, THAN THE STAFF TIME THAT KIND OF WORK AND FIND WHAT THOSE AREAS ARE LESS SPECIFIC TO THIS ZONING.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AND THEN WE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ONE AS WELL? CORRECT.
[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
P UH, BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT.UH, I GUESS THAT, UH, THAT'S ME, UH, I JUST DID AN UPDATE FOR COUNSEL ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. UH, THE CR DAYTON, UM, FACILITY WHERE, UH, IS THE FUTURE LOCATION OF DOGTOWN, UH, DEMOLITION IS UNDERWAY AT THAT LOCATION.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING INSIDE THE STRUCTURE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE APPARATUS SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING, UM, A LITTLE LATER, UM, THIS WEEK, OR EXCUSE ME, A LITTLE LATER IN THIS MONTH.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL OLD MONITORING WELLS REMOVED FROM THE SITE, WHICH WERE PLACED TO, UH, MONITOR A PLUME, UH, OR POTENTIAL PLUME FROM A DRY CLEANING FACILITY.
THOSE WELLS ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.
UM, AND SO THEY WERE REMOVED, UH, SPEAKING OF, UM, THE, UH, THE, UH, OLD DRY CLEANING FACILITY, UH, WE HAVE SITE REMEDIATION SCHEDULED TO REMOVE THE HAZARDOUS SOIL FROM THAT SITE AND REPLACE IT WITH CLEAN SOIL.
UM, AND, UH, MR.
I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLIER THIS WEEK, LATE LAST WEEK, SO THAT, UH, CONTRACT WORK IS GETTING READY TO BE PERFORMED IN A MOBILIZED ON SITE.
SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT WILL ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE, UM, IN PROBABLY FEBRUARY, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THE SITE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHILE YOU NOT BE SEEING MUCH, THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT ACTIVITY GOING ON IN AND AROUND THE SITE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? OKAY.
NO ACTION ON THIS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN THEN CORRECT.
[ 2022 Law Director Contract]
THREE Q, WHICH IS THE 2022 LAW DIRECTOR CONTRACT.[03:25:01]
LEGISLATION TO APPROVE THE 2022 LAW DIRECTOR CONTRACT, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN ENCLOSED IN THE PACKET, WHAT THE, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION, UH, IN THIS CONTRACT, UH, THE 2022, UH, RATES AND TERMS FOR PROSECUTORS SERVICES REMAIN THE SAME AS IN 2021.AND, UM, FOR THE OTHER LEGAL SERVICES, INCLUDING THE LAW DIRECTOR, THE PROPOSED CONTRACT RETAINS THE TERMS AND INCREASES THE, UH, RATES BY $10 PER HOUR FOR OTHER LEGAL SERVICES.
SO, UH, THE ASK WOULD BE TO, UH, HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA, UH, FOR APPROVAL ON MONDAY SO THAT, UM, THIS COULD BE IN PLACE IN PREPARATION FOR THE 20, 22, UH, FISCAL YEAR.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT, UH, IF BRIAN, IF SOMEBODY CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR ME OR FOR US RATHER, UM, WHAT OUR COSTS HAVE BEEN LEGAL OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS FOR PSN.
I MEAN, I'M NOT INCLUDING BOND COUNTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'RE GOING IN FOR WHAT 250,000 HERE.
I WANT TO SAY WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT THOUGH.
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE BEEN MORE IN THE 300,000 RANGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
IF WE CAN GET THAT HISTORY, I'M ACTUALLY GETTING CONCERNED.
WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THE NUMBERS GETTING BIG ENOUGH, THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IN HOW SERVICES, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S THAT NOTHING AGAINST YOU, JERRY, THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL THING.
IT'S A MONETARY THING, BUT I MEAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THIS NUMBER IS, KEEPS, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
UH, AGAIN, UM, IF WE CAN FIND A PERMANENT, UH, IN-HOUSE SOLUTION, I'M ALWAYS DOWN FOR AN IN-HOUSE SOLUTION.
I APPRECIATE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DO OR, OR WHEREVER? YEAH.
I MEAN, I GET DID ONE FOR LIKE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND I SENT IT TO ALL THE COUNCIL AND I SAID, HERE, HERE'S WHAT IT WAS FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK I WENT, BUT I THOUGHT I WENT BACK FIVE YEARS.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT ALREADY.
CAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS THE TWO 50 FOR THIS YEAR.
THE REASON THIS YEAR WAS SO HIGH IS BECAUSE PETCO AND SHAFFER FRONTED ALL THE COSTS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT WE HAD ASSOCIATED WITH MARION METALS AND THE TITLE COMMITMENTS AND ALL THOSE OTHER TYPES OF STUFF.
AND BECAUSE THEY JUST CAME TO US AND THE CITY CAN'T PAY IT, IF IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONE WHO CALLED IT IN, IF IT'S A PAYABLE TO ANOTHER ENTITY, THE CITY CAMPAIGN.
SO WE HAD TO PAY IT AND GET REIMBURSED FROM THE CITY.
SO THAT WAS WHAT A BIG CHUNK OF, OF THAT WAS.
BUT IF I RECALL WE WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT ACTUALLY LOWER THAN A COUPLE OF THE YEARS BEFORE.
SO WE WEREN'T THE PUT THE EXACT NUMBER.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT I'M ALMOST POSITIVE YET YOU HAVE THAT ALREADY FROM, FROM LISA, WHAT ARE THEY THAT WOULD NOT BE BINDING COUNCIL THAT WOULD JUST BE PSR AND ONE OUTSIDE STUFF OR THE COUNTY STUFF AND JUST LEGAL COMING FROM PSMA.
BUT I I'LL I'LL DOUBLE-CHECK AND CAUSE I, I KNOW I HAVE IT, I CAN, RE-SEND WHAT I DID SEND.
AND IF IT'S YOU WINDED FURTHER BACK, I CAN EASILY GET THAT.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO IF YOU WOULD SEND THAT, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU HAVE THAT YOU SAID IT FEEL TO SAY THAT AGAIN.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.
SO, UM, WE PREPARED THEM TO AT LEAST HAVE THIS MOVED ON TO THE NEXT, I CAN RESET IT WHEN THEY SENT HIM OKAY.
TOMORROW OBJECTIONS TO MOVING, UH, THIS CONTRACT ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING.
[ 2022 Montgomery County Public Defender Agreement]
IS ITEM THREE R, WHICH IS THE 2022 MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER.AS THE MAYOR STATED, THIS IS THE 2022 MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER AGREEMENT AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD THE ONE FROM MIAMI COUNTY.
UH, THIS IS ANNUAL LEGISLATION TO REDO THIS CONTRACT FOR 2022.
UH, THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE RATE FOR SERVICES.
UH, THEY CHARGE, UH, IN THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE BY THE CASE, I THINK THE AMOUNT WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT $222 PER CASE AND 2021.
UH, THEY'RE NOW GOING TO CHARGE 2 28 0.4, FOUR AND 41 CENTS PER TEXT.
SO, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS IN PLACE PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR A DISCUSSION OR OBJECTION.
[ Board and Commission Appointments * Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board - Reappointment]
IS ITEM THREE S WHICH IS BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.WE'LL START WITH THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
AND MOST OF MY COMMENTS, UH, FOR THESE WILL COVER FOR THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS. THESE ALL DEAL WITH, UH, VARIOUS REAPPOINTMENTS
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TO CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, WHERE APPROPRIATE, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED ALREADY ON THE INDIVIDUALS.ALL OF THOSE NECESSARY BACKGROUND CHECKS HAVE BEEN DONE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE, UH, CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD, REAPPOINTMENT OF DERRIUS SMITH.
HE WAS JUST APPOINTED TO, UM, A TERM, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A FULL TERM.
HE WAS APPOINTED TO IT EXPIRED TERM.
UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE TERM WOULD, UH, EXPIRE, UH, ENDING JANUARY 1ST, 2025.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE CULTURE OF DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION FOR DETERMINING DECEMBER 31ST, UH, 2024.
UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR ERIC RICHARDSON.
AGAIN, THE BACKSTREET GROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED AS NECESSARY.
UH, THE THIRD ONE IS THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION REAPPOINTMENT OF TOM HIS FAN, UH, TO A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
AND LASTLY, THERE ARE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, UH, FOR TERMS ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 FOR SHEILA BALLARD.
AND DONNA HAS SO, UH, THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
WE'D LIKE TO PUT THESE ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, UH, AS MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
AND EACH OF THOSE WILL BE INDIVIDUAL MOTIONS FOR EACH BOARD.
SO THE TWO FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE WITNESS AND ONE MOTION TOGETHER.
WE CAN SPLIT THEM IF YOU ADD A REASON TO, BUT, UH, GENERALLY WE JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER AND DISCUSSION OBJECTION, SING UP AND MOVE THOSE ON TO MONDAY.
[ Ordinance Review Commission Recommendations - City Code Amendments * Part Eleven - Planning and Zoning Code]
UP AS ITEM THREE T, WHICH IS THE ORDINARY COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY CODE AMENDMENTS.TONIGHT, WE'RE DEALING WITH PART 11, WHICH IS THE PLANNING ZONING CODE, AND THEN PART 13, WHICH IS THE BUILDING CODE.
SO, UH, PART 11 IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN TERMS OF THESE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THE REASON BEING ANY TEXTS, AMENDMENTS, OR CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, TO PART 11, WHICH IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE ALSO HAVE TO BE, UH, APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO A COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, THOSE ITEMS. SO, UH, I'VE ATTACHED HERE, THE LIST OF ALL THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE PART 11, UH, AS PRESENTED BY THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT, I NEED TO GO OVER THESE, UH, LINE BY LINE.
UM, THEY ARE THERE FOR EVERYBODY'S REFERENCE, BUT, UH, WHAT THE ASK WOULD BE WOULD BE TO, UH, SEEK COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO ANY SPECIFIC ITEM TO SEND THESE ON TO STAFF SO THAT THEY COULD PREPARE THEM AS TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE COULD START THE PROCESS OF REVIEW OF THESE ITEMS, UH, THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN ONCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THEM, THEN THEY COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
SO IT'S MAINLY TO SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT CITY STAFF OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION INVESTING TIME IN PURSUING, UM, ANY CHANGES TO THE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THERE? RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR COMMENTARY.
YES, RICHARD, UM, MAYOR I'D BE, I'D BE COMFORTABLE AT THIS TIME, NOT PROVIDING ANY INPUT.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FULL REVIEW, UM, AND TAKE THEIR INPUT, UM, WITH ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES I HAVE, UH, FOR DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES BACK.
UH, ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, PEOPLE AGREE WITH RICHARD'S ASSESSMENT HERE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING, MOVING IS ON TO A PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF FOR REVIEW.
SO NO OTHER ACTIONS NEEDED THERE THEN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, AND THE NEXT REPORT 13, WHICH IS THE BUILDING CODE IS THE BUILDING CODE.
AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION FOR THIS SECTION.
UH, THE FIRST IS SECTION 100 3103 0.06, RIGHT OF ENTRY, UH, TO MAKE A LEGAL CLARIFICATION BY CHANGING THE WORDING IN THE SECTION TWO FROM HIS DESIGNEE MAY ENTER SUCH PROPERTY TO HIS DESIGNEE, MAY ENTER UPON SUCH PROPERTY.
THIS WAS A SUGGESTED REVISION, ALSO BEEN REVIEWED BY THE LAW DIRECTOR.
UM, THE OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN SECTION 1, 3, 1 3 0.09 HEARINGS, UH, TO CHANGE THE OPENING SENTENCE TO IF A HEARING IS PROPERLY REQUESTED UNDER 1, 3, 1, 3 0.08 FOR EITHER AN APPEAL OR REVIEW A HEARING BEFORE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD WILL BE SCHEDULED AND A NOTICE OF SUCH HEARING DULY ADVERTISED TO THE LOCAL ISSUE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS FOR A HEARING FOR APPEAL OR REVIEW OF A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH,
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TYPE OF ISSUE, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THOSE CHANGES ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING.AND THIS ONE COULD HAVE THE TWO READINGS STILL ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR OUR TO ADOPTION.
AND THEN I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER THING UNDER THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, SINCE, UH, THIS WAS DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE WARD REDISTRICTING, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, SPECIAL WORK SESSION, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, WE HAVE HAD STAFF PREPARE THAT MAPS WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES DISCUSSED.
AND THEN THE OTHER HANDOUT HERE HAS, UH, BASED ON THOSE CHANGES, WHAT THE WAR TOTALS WOULD BE, UM, BEGINNING AND AFTER THE CHANGES ARE MADE.
SO IN LOOKING AT THIS MAP, AND I DID SEND THIS EMAIL TO EVERYBODY, UH, BY EMAIL EARLIER TODAY, UH, THE COPY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE EMAIL, YOU'RE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND OUT OF IT.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY ZOOM IN REALLY FAR, SEE THE STREET NAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO DRILL DOWN INTO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT, UH, THIS REFLECTS THE REDRAWN WARD LINES, UM, AS PROPOSED AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, THE AREAS THAT ARE IN CROSS HATCH, UH, WITHIN THOSE NEW WARD LINES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOVING FROM ONE PARCEL, UH, OR FROM ONE WORD TO ANOTHER, UM, AS DISCUSSED, UM, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, BUT WE BRING THE TOTALS, UH, REALLY PERFECT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE POINT HERE ON WARD SIX AND THE PINK, WHERE THERE'S THE CROSS HATCH AND KIND OF THE BLUISH GREENISH, UH, THERE THERE'S A PARCEL RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PINK LITTLE APPENDAGE THAT STICKS OUT THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF WARD SIX.
AND, UM, THERE'S A CELL THERE THAT HAS A POPULATION OF 85 PEOPLE, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY IN WARD SIX, BUT THE PROPOSAL WAS TO MOVE IT TO WARD FIVE.
UM, IF WE WOULD BRING THAT OR JUST KEEP THAT IN WORD SIX, NOT MOVE IT TOWARD FIVE, THE TOTALS FOR BOTH WARD FIVE AND WARD SIX WOULD, UM, ADJUST BY 85, UH, PERSONS IN TERMS OF POPULATION, BUT IT WOULD BRING THEM, UH, MUCH CLOSER TO AN, UH, EQUAL REPRESENTATION AMONGST THE WARDS SO THAT ALL OF OUR WARDS WOULD BE ABOUT WITHIN, UH, 40 OF THE INTENDED TARGET AND 40 PEOPLE AT THE INTENDED TARGET.
IT'S THIS IT'S REAL HARD TO SEE, BUT IT'S RIGHT TO THIS LITTLE PIECE HERE.
IT'S THE FIRST LITTLE CELL RIGHT THERE.
SO WITH JUST ALL IT WOULD STAY PINK, 87 IT'S 85.
SO THE VERY FIRST ONE NEXT TO THE PINK AND YOU CARRY THE HIP TO THE LEFT OF THE PINK.
THERE'S A NUMBER IN THERE AND IT SAYS 85, THOSE REALLY HARD TO SEE.
AND THERE, IT ALREADY IS A PART OF WARD SIX, BUT WE DISCUSSED MOVING IT TO WARD FIVE, ALONG WITH THE OTHER PARCELS IN THAT AREA, UH, TO BRING EQUAL POPULATION DISTRIBUTION FOR WARD FIVE, I WOULD SUGGEST JUST KEEPING THAT ONE IN SIX.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY WE GET A BETTER BALANCE OF POPULATION AMONGST WARDS, FIVE AND SIX, REMOVING 85 PEOPLE FROM WARD FIVES, NUMBER OF 72 99 AND ADDING 85 PEOPLE TO WORK 671 16.
WELL, THAT'S WHY ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHY I SENT YOU THE ONE BY EMAIL, BECAUSE YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND OUT OF THAT, UH, DOWN TO A HOUSE LEVEL AND A STREET LEVEL.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT THIS TONIGHT.
UH, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SEE IF THIS, UH, REPRESENTS WHAT YOU THINK WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES OR TWEAKS, UM, THEN IF IT'S OKAY TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT WITH THAT ONE PARCEL WITH THE 85, UH, POPULATION, UH, BACK INTO WARD SIX, I'D REDO THESE TO REFLECT THAT CHANGE.
AND THEN AT THE DECEMBER 7TH WORK SESSION, BRING THIS BACK, UH, FOR A FINAL, UH, LOOK, AND IF COUNSEL A CASE AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD PREPARE THE LEGISLATION TO BE DRAFTED FOR THE DECEMBER 13TH COUNCIL MEETING AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION TO ADOPT THIS.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GET IT IN EFFECT PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR AS REQUIRED.
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OKAY.EVERYONE ELSE WILL GET WITH THAT, RICHARD.
UH, I DON'T, I'M OKAY WITH MAKING THE CHANGE.
UM, MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE ONCE WE MAKE THAT CHANGE, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET THAT ON OUR WEBSITE, ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THIS CHANGE IS COMING? SO IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE ACCEPTED BEFORE THE NEXT WORD SESSION.
THAT WAY, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PASS THIS BY EMERGENCY.
I AT LEAST WANT TO PROVIDE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT AND YEAH.