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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road November 9, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
NICOLA MEETING THE CITY, UBERIZED PLANNING, COMMISSION, THE ORDER, BUT YOUR SHERRY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE.JEFFREY MOSOP MS. THOMAS HERE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HEARING ON THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO CITIZENS COMMENTS.
A WITNESSES ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TO TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I'LL ASK EVERYONE TO STAND AND RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED IN THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
AND YOU COME UP TO THE, UH, PODIUM THERE, PLEASE SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
FIRST ITEM UNDER A PENDING BUSINESS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT DARREN SCHMIDT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 19.1 ACRES FOR AN AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 78 60 BELL FOUNTAIN ROBES ZONING CASE 21 DASH 36, MR. FALCK HOUSE.
UH, THAT CASE, UH, WE RECEIVED WORD THIS AFTERNOON FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WOULD, UH, BE REQUESTING TO PULL THAT ITEM OFF THE AGENDA.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAWAL THEIR, THIS, THAT CURRENT APPLICATION.
SO THE, UH, PROPER, UH, THING WOULD BE TO, UH, TABLE IT INDEFINITELY.
UM, AND THEN IF IT DOES COME BACK UP IN THE FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO ALLOW IT TO COME BACK FORWARD OR, UH, THEY MAY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT USE OR NOT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TABLE INDEFINITELY.
SO BE IT ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS MOVE TO TABLE? SO MOVED BY THIS FARGO THEIR SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MOTION, UH, TABLES FIVE TO ZERO.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS REZONING, THE APPLICANT PARVEEN WATERWALL IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING PLAN, COMMERCIAL AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ZONING CASE 21 DASH 42.
MR.
UM, THIS CASE IS FOR A REZONING AND A WHAT'S A TERM, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PARCEL LOCATED ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THAT, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, THE SITE CURRENTLY IS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF ACRES AND IS ZONED R FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS SURROUNDED BY MULTI-FAMILY USES, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE, AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY USES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UH, SO THE REQUEST ITSELF IS FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A LAUNDROMAT, UH, AT THIS SITE.
SO THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME, UM, ON THE SITE THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR AWHILE.
AND THEN, UH, THE, SO THE INTENT IS TO TEAR THAT EXISTING HOUSE DOWN AND THEN BUILD A NEW FACILITY AT THE SITE.
SO THE SITE ITSELF, UM, IS A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW 7,200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UM, PARKING BE PROVIDED FOLLOWING THE, UH, CHAPTER 1185, THE CITY ZONING CODE, AND IT'S CALLED OUT TO BE 10 FOOT BY 18 FOOT SPACES.
SO THEY ARE PROVIDING THE PROPER NUMBER OF SPACES IN THE PROPER SIZING OF SPACES PER OUR STANDARD CODE.
UH, THE, UH, PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THIS AREA AS MIXED DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL.
UH, SO THE, UH, KIND OF THE FIRST THOUGHT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL LOVE A COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS AREA.
UM, THE LAND USE CATEGORY IS APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT AND NEW MIXED HOUSING TYPE AREAS, BUT THIS, UH, THIS USE WOULD BE A COMPLIMENT TO THE MIXED DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, SO ALSO ON THE SITE, SO THE UTILITIES THERE IS PUBLIC WATER AND PUBLIC SEWER THAT THEY WILL BE CONNECTING INTO, UH, LOCATED, UH, ALONG MOUNT HOOD AND ALONG THE TUNNEL TO SEVILLE ROAD.
AND THEN FOR STORMWATER DETENTION, THEY ARE PROPOSING AN UNDERGROUND STORAGE
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LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE.SO ALL OF THE, UH, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA WILL GO INTO A STORMWATER SYSTEM, GO INTO THAT UNDERGROUND TANK AND THEN SLOWLY, UH, BE SENT OUT TO THE, UH, THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, UM, COLLECTED OUT AT TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE OPEN BASIN, THIS ONE WILL BE, UH, UNDERNEATH THE GROUND.
SO, UM, THE, UH, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANT AND NO MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR THIS SITE.
THEY ARE CALLING OUT TWO ACCESS POINTS, ONE LOCATED AT, UH, ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE AT THE KIND OF THE FURTHEST POINT AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE.
UH, SO THAT, UH, WOULD BE THE PROPER LOCATION.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE REQUESTED TO BE FULL ACCESS, UH, UH, MOVEMENTS AND, UH, STAFF DIDN'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, THERE IS ALREADY A CENTER TURN LANE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, IN THIS LOCATION, THE, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCESS THE SITE ITSELF.
UM, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS ALL MASONRY MATERIALS, UH, WHICH MEETS OUR, UH, STANDARD COMMERCIAL, UH, UM, SET OF STANDARDS, SLOPED ROOF, UH, WITH IT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WOULD ALSO BE MASONRY MATERIALS AND HAVE A GAMES ON IT, LANDSCAPING.
THEY ARE PROPOSING LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON ALL SIDES OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN LIGHTING PROPOSED LIGHTING SHALL FOLLOW THE STANDARD SECTION 11 81 21 OF THE CITY'S ZONING CODE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE WOULD COME BEFORE YOU THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO SPILLAGE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH THIS, UH, WITH HAVING A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND THIS.
SO, AND THEN SIGNAGE WOULD FOLLOW 1189 OF THE CITY ZONING CODE.
UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD SEE HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD BE AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, UM, THAT AS WELL ABOUT, UH, THE LIGHTING FROM THAT, MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S, UH, AT PROPER LEVELS, UH, DURING THE TIMES LIKE THIS AND THE DARK, UM, AROUND THOSE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE USE ITSELF, PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IN THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL FOLKS ON THIS.
UM, AND IF IT DOES GET APPROVED THROUGH ALL THOSE STEPS, IT WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR THE FINAL, UH, ENGINEERING DRAWING AND SAND BUILDING DRAWINGS.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERS, JUST TO VERIFY ON THE, SO BEING PLANNED COMMERCIAL, IF IT WERE TO BE CHANGED TO SAY GAS STATION AND USE, OR A FULL SERVICE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO COME BACK THAT COULDN'T JUST BE PART OF THE CORRECT.
IN THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD IS CALLING OUT THAT THE ONLY, ONLY THE REQUESTED USES OF A CONVENIENCE STORE AND LAUNDRY ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THIS, UH, PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO ANYTHING ELSE ON A USE END, OR IF A BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, ANY OF THAT WOULD COME BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DID NOTICE THAT THE, IT HAD A DRIVE-THROUGH ON THIS.
THERE IS A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW PROPOSED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND HEARING NO ONE, UH, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES.
I HAVE LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS, MY ENTIRE LIFE.
MY FATHER FIRST CAME HERE IN 1958, SO I THINK I CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ON THE PROGRESS THAT HUBER HEIGHTS HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE LAST 60 SOME YEARS.
UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN ONE OF THE MOUNT HOOD CONDOMINIUMS IN THE CONDOS THERE.
RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT,
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UM, ENTRANCE.SO MY BUILDING IS AT THE CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE IN HEBREW HIGH OR IN, IN MOUNT HOOD WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ON 2 0 2.
IT IS HORRENDOUS TO COME OUT OF HUBER HIGH OR OUT OF MOUNT HOOD AND TRY TO TURN LEFT AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF CHILDREN THAT ARE STILL IN THOSE APARTMENTS, UM, I DON'T, I'VE NEVER RENTED, UM, I'VE ALWAYS LIVED IN, IN THE CONDO THERE.
UM, SO THE AMOUNT OF KIDS THAT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS I'VE OWNED MY CONDO SINCE 1990.
UM, IT HAS BEEN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS STILL NICE AND, UM, NOT WITH CHAOS AND, AND INCREASED TRAFFIC.
UM, THE CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA THAT ARE RIGHT ON THE STREET AND PLAY IN, IN MY PARKING AREA, UM, GO AROUND ON THE SIDEWALKS, EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
IF YOU PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WOULD BE OPEN UNTIL WHAT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, TERRIBLE.
AND, AND I, I PLAYED WITH YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER THE KIDS, THE, THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE CHILDREN, OR OF THE CONDOS THAT ARE THERE ALREADY.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE DON'T WANT THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC.
YOU HAVE TO PUT THE BOUNDARIES OF COMMERCE, EITHER 2 0 1 AND ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS 70, DON'T PUT IT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THAT TAYLORSVILLE IS STILL RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE TO GET FROM OUR HOMES TO COMMERCE.
YES, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, BUILDINGS OR ON OUR STREET.
BUT YOU AREN'T HERE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LIGHTS ON AND BLARING IN AND TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT AT 11 O'CLOCK AND 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UM, THE LITTLE CRITTERS IN THE ANIMALS THAT COULD BE AROUND BECAUSE OF THE DUMPSTERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ENCLOSED.
UM, JUST PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.
DON'T DON'T ZONE THIS REZONE, THIS COMMERCIAL, KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BUY THAT PROPERTY OR WHAT IT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE PUT ON IT, BUT DON'T ZONE IT, DON'T ZONE IT, UM, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AND I'M SPEAKING OUT OF 70 SOME CONDOS IN MY MOUNT HOOD, ONE, UM, CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX OR WHATEVER NOBODY ELSE SHOWED UP.
I'LL GO GET, I'LL GO GET PAPER.
I'LL GO DOOR TO DOOR AND, AND, AND ASK FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN A PETITION.
DO NOT ZONE THIS, REZONE THIS AS A RESIDENT OR AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
I JUST, I PLEAD WITH YOU MY PROPERTY VALUE.
I'VE SEEN THEM GO AS LOW AS $17,000.
YOU JUST, THIS IS GOING TO DECREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THOSE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET AND ALL THE CONDOS THAT ARE IN THAT, IN, IN THE MOUNT HOOD APARTMENTS.
SO PLEASE JUST DON'T REZONE IT.
THAT PERSON WHO WANTS TO BUILD THAT CONVENIENCE STORE CAN GO AROUND THE CORNER, GO DOWN THE STREET ON TAYLORSVILLE, UM, ACROSS UTILIZED PART OF, UM, RURAL KING, IF YOU HAVE TO, BUT DON'T ZONE IT THERE.
THAT IS NOT A PLACE FOR A BUSINESS IT'S IT'S CHILDREN AND, AND, AND FAMILIES THAT ARE PART OF THEIR.
AND IF YOU WANT ME, IF I NEED PAPERS AND NAMES, I WILL GET THEM FOR YOU.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SIGN THIS? THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
YOU THE APPLICANT OR YOU I'M REPRESENTING THE AFRICANIZED ON BAFF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, MY NAME IS ADAM GILL, LIKE I JUST SAID, REPRESENTED ON BACK OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, WE DID COMPLETE THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT COUNTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF MOUNT HOOD AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THERE.
UM, AND LIKE, UH, SCOTT STATED THERE'S NO MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE RAN CAPACITY ANALYSIS, ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING BOTH OF THE PROPOSED DRIVES, DO IN FACT MEET, UH, ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF CAPACITY
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LEVELS.AND THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DEGRADED WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS ANTICIPATING A MAJORITY OF THE USE BEING ON THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DRIVE JUST AS EASE OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE AND NOT HAVING TO MAKE ANOTHER STOP.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS YOUR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, BUT, UM, AGAIN, NO MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE ANTICIPATED.
THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S, UH, WOULD BE WARRANTED, BUT THAT IS ALREADY ENCOMPASSED WITH THE TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME'S ADAM? YES.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE FOR THE I'M UNABLE TO, BUT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO, OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I AM.
THAT BEGAN, MY NAME IS PURVEEN WADHWA AND, UH, YEAH, THE TIMING SHE WAS ASKING ME ABOUT THE TIMING FOR THE STORES.
IT WILL BE MORNING SEVEN TILL 11.
SO THAT'S FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
SO WHEN THEY GO TO WORK AND WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM WORK, THEY NEED CONVENIENCE STUFF.
THIS LOCATION IS LIKE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD IS INCREASING THE VALUE OF PROPERTY, NOT DECREASING IN MY POINTS.
WHEN EVERYBODY HAS CONVENIENT TO HAVE MILK, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO ACROSS THE TWO, TWO OR 2, 1, 4 TO GET A MILK FOR THE KIDS.
IS THE BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THIS CONVENIENCE STORE? CONVENIENCE STORE ALWAYS BEEN IN A LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS.
THE GAS STATION IS ON THE TWO OR TWO TO ONE.
IT'S THE RIGHT SPACE, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO OPEN A GAS STATION FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS GOING TO BE ONLY A DRIVE THROUGH.
THAT'S WHY I CHOOSE THIS LOCATION BECAUSE I OWN THAT A MARATHON GAS STATION.
I AM RUNNING THAT MARATHON GAS STATION ON TWO, TWO.
I ALREADY HAVE THAT BUSINESS, BUT ALL THE PUPILS ARE WALKING FROM HERE TO THERE, WITH THAT TRAFFIC.
EVEN THEY ASKED ME FOR, TO OPEN THIS STORE OVER HERE SO THEY CAN GET BENEFIT FROM THIS STORE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WALK TO THE STREETS WITH THEIR KIDS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS OP UH, YES.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE HOURS OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS SEVEN IN THE MORNING, TILL 11 AT NIGHT.
JUST WHAT ABOUT THE LAUNDRY MAT? THE LAUNDROMAT IT'S A MID, I KNOW WHEN I PROPOSE THAT SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT, EVEN I, IN THAT TRAFFIC, THE LAUNDROMAT, I DID NOT DECIDE THE HOURS YET, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUIRED.
IT'S USUALLY LIKE TIL EIGHT O'CLOCK USUALLY EVERYWHERE IS TILL EIGHT O'CLOCK OR UNTIL THE SUN GOES DOWN IN THE WINTERTIME IS THE LESS HOURS, EVEN IN A CONVENIENCE STORE IS ALSO WINTER.
SO EVEN IN WINTER TIME BEING IS LIKE MORNING SEVEN, TILL 10.
SO SUMMER TIME IS TILL 11 THAT'S, BUT LAUNDROMAT TIMING, I DIDN'T DECIDED YET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANOTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE, AS SHE MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN AROUND THERE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT PROVISIONS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP THAT COMING? A HANGOUT, THE CHILDREN HANGOUTS.
I DIDN'T GOT YOUR QUESTIONS TO HANG OUT OUTSIDE.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, OR JUST, UM, THIS GROUP OF KIDS, JUST WANTING TO THAT, BEING, BEING A PLACE THAT THEY JUST KIND OF KICK AROUND AND, AND HANG OUT AND, AND, UM, WE CAN'T STOP ANYBODY TO HANG OUT OR ANY PROPERTY.
THERE STILL IS A LITTLE KIDS ARE MEDS.
WE WILL TELL THEM, CAUSE THERE'S A TRAFFIC OR THERE'S A CARS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SIGNS.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESTORE.
EVEN THE COMMUNITY STORY IS KIND OF LIKE A CANDY STORE FOR THEM MEAN I GREW UP, I GO TO A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH MY FATHER, HAVE CANDY, HAVE ICE CREAM.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GO WITH MY, IF I'M A KID, I DON'T WANT TO GO WITH MY PARENTS FAR.
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IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET CANDY AND ICE CREAM AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ON THE DRIVE UP.IS THAT OPEN ALL THE TIME THAT THE STORE IS OPEN FOR? YES.
DRIVER WINDOW IS ALWAYS, THERE'S A LOT OF OLD PEOPLE.
THEY CANNOT WALK IT'S FOR THEIR BENEFIT.
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE DROPPING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.
THEY DON'T WANT TO COME OUT WITH THE KIDS.
THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING MORNING, TIME, COFFEE, OR MORNING TIME, COLD DRINK CIGARETTES.
SO THEY CAN BUY FROM TRANSFER WINDOW.
WILL YOU HAVE, UM, PROPER STAFF TO KEEP THAT WINDOW UP, YOU KNOW, GOING AT A REGULAR BASIS, NOT BACKING UP SO THAT IT BACKS UP UP THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, OFF YOUR PROPERTY IN THAT? NO, ACTUALLY MY DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW PLAN IS GOING ALL AROUND THE BUILDING.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO BOTHER ANY TRAFFIC.
THAT'S 7,200 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AND THE LANE OF DRIVE TO GOING TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING THAT COME ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CONVENIENCE STORES RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
UM, YOU SAID THAT SOMEBODY SAID THAT IT WAS NEEDED THERE.
LIKE A LOT OF FOOT CUSTOMERS ARE WALKING FROM THERE TO THE, LIKE THIS SIDE OF THE TORCH BETWEEN 202 AND 2 0 1.
THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE TWO OR TO GO TO OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET ON TAYLORSVILLE, OR THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE MARATHON GAS STATION AND A BP GAS STATION.
AND THAT INTERSECTION IS VERY BUSY FOR THEM TO GO.
THEY CANNOT GO IN AND OUT IN THE SHOWER.
THEY CAN GO THROUGH THERE, GO THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN, AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO THE BP, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME AROUND AFTER THE CEREMONY AND COME BACK TO THEIR HOMES.
THEY CANNOT TURN LEFT ON THE MARATHON.
SO THAT'S VERY BUSY INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S TWO COMMUNITIES.
STORE IS CLOSER TO THIS LOCATION IS ONLY BP AND THAT MARITIME GAS STATION.
THE BP IS ON THE SAME SECTION OF LAND AND THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE APARTMENTS THERE TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, I MEAN, ALL THESE PEOPLE CANNOT GO LIKE BP.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S WHY THEY THERE, THEY RECOMMEND ME THIS LOCATION.
THAT'S WHY I TRY TO SPEND SOME MONEY AND REZONING AND BUILD AGAIN, GOT ME IN THE STORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SONY CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.
MR. JEFFRIES, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? UH, GOOD CLARIFICATION.
ONE OF THE PARTS HAS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? OR B3.
THE WHOLE THING IS ZONED R FOR THE FIRST KIND OF PARAGRAPH IN THE OVERVIEW.
AND I GUESS IF IT STAYED RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN THE PROBABILITY OF ANYTHING EVER GOING THERE FOR COST AND LOCATION, RESIDENTIAL IS PROBABLY PRETTY THIN.
UM, OTHER THAN MORE APARTMENTS, IT'S AN ACRE AND A HALF.
SO, UH, THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT MULTI-FAMILY WOULD BE VERY LIMITED.
THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE THERE.
SO ONE EXISTING HOUSE COULD BE THERE, BUT IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.
OH, SCOTT, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING BACK UP ON THE BOARD, THE BUILDING? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING IS LAUNDROMAT AND HOW MUCH IS CONVENIENT.
COULD YOU HELP US OUT WITH THAT, SIR? UM, I SEE THERE ARE TWO DOORS.
THERE DOES ONE GO TO THE LAUNDRY MAT AND ONE GOES TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT YOU CAN LIFT
RIGHT? SIDE DOOR IS A LAUNDROMAT.
SO THE BUILDING IS ABOUT HALF AND HALF OR LITTLE BIT LIKE 60, 40, 60, 40.
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OKAY.AND CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WOULD BE DRIVE THROUGH? WE'LL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN IT GOES AROUND IT START FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE YOU GO TO THE OTHER SCREEN.
YEAH, IT SHOWS THERE, IT GOES FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING GO AROUND AND THEN COME TO THE WINDOW.
AND THERE'S A MORE STACKING AREA THAN WHAT OUR CODE NORMALLY REQUIRES FOR DRIVER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY PARVEEN OTTAWA REQUESTED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING FROM OUR, FOR RESIDENTS TO PLAY IN COMMERCIAL AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 4 0 0 5 0 0 0 6 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDERS OFFICE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 42 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 4TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY.
MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. LARGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
SO THIS NOW WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE WILL SEND YOU THE DATES AND TIMES OF THOSE NEXT MEETINGS.
AND THE NEIGHBORS WILL ALSO BE NOTIFIED AGAIN OF THAT.
THAT'LL GO TO A WORK SESSION FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL.
IT COMES BACK HERE FOR THE DETAILS.
SO THIS IS THE, AS I SAID, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SETS UP THE USE AND THEN THE FINAL DETAILED PLAN WOULD COME BACK AND LINK.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT MS. CONSULTANTS, INC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR IT.
FOR ADDITION OF NEW COOLERS, BRI SORRY, DO COOLERS FREEZER AND DRY STORAGE ROOM OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 56, 11 MERRILY WAY ZONING CASE 21 DASH 44, MR. FOULK HOUSE, UH, THIS MINOR CHANGES FOR THE TEXAS ROADHOUSE RESTAURANT ON MERRILY WAY.
UH, THERE ARE REQUESTING AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING TO ADD ONTO THE BUILDING FOR NEW COOLERS, FREEZER AND DRY STORAGE.
THIS IS NOT A REQUEST TO INCREASE SEATING WITHIN THE FACILITY.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, UH, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF REORGANIZATION OF THE BUILDING AND, UH, THEY EXPANSION WITH THAT EXPANSION.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, HAVE THE MATERIALS MATCH, UM, OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
AND WITH THIS, IT ALSO, IT DOES GO OUT INTO WHERE THERE ARE SOME PARKING SPACES.
UH, THERE ARE EIGHT PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF ALL OF YOU WERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THEY CAME AND THEY ADDED PARKING OUT FRONT, UM, THAT PUTS, UH, THE, UH, THEY WERE OVER WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR A RESTAURANT ON THAT SITE.
SO, UH, WITH THOSE REMOVING OF THOSE EIGHT, THEY WOULD STILL BE OVER WHAT THE CODE CALLS OUT FOR THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED.
SO, UH, WHILE IT'S A VERY, UH, BUSY, UH, RESTAURANTS, UM, THEY UTILIZE THOSE PARKING SPACES.
UM, BUT, UM, THE, UH, THE LOSS OF EIGHT, AS I SAID, WOULD NOT BRING IN BELOW CODE.
SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, SEAN FRENCH, REGIONAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FOR TEXAS ROADHOUSE.
UH, FIRST TIME DOING THIS MORE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ME ON THIS, UM, DEFINITELY COULD HAD THE ARCHITECTS COME DOWN AND DO IT, BUT I FELT IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE.
SO, UM, THIS IS AN OPERATIONAL, UH, IMPACT ISSUE.
UM, AS YOU SAID, NOT TO AN ADDITION OF SEATING ALLOWS FOR, UM, MODIFICATIONS OF DELIVERY SCHEDULES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, NOWADAYS THINGS ARE RUNNING SHORT SUPPLY LEAD TIMES ARE WHAT THEY ARE, SO WE CAN, UM, HOLD A LITTLE BIT MORE IN INVENTORY, UH, WITH THE SITUATION, IT RELEASES A LITTLE BIT OF STRESS
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IN THE KITCHEN STAFF, UH, FOR IS ADDITIONAL THINGS MOVING FROM ONE SPACE TO THE OTHER.UM, IN ESSENCE, IT'S JUST A KIND OF A LARGE RECTANGLE THERE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE IS THAT I WANT TO SAY JUST AROUND NINE FEET OUT AND ABOUT 63 FEET DOWN.
UM, OUR CURRENT, UH, COOLER LAYOUT IS, UH, ON OUR TYPICAL DESIGNS OF FOUR SETS, WHICH IS A, UH, MEET ROOM PRODUCTION COOLER FREEZER, AND THEN BEER COOLER.
THIS WILL MIMIC THREE OF THOSE, UM, THAT WE PASS THROUGH.
SO THAT THEORETICALLY IT'LL BE EACH ONE SPACE.
SO THE MEAT ROOM WILL ADD ON THAT ADDITION TO THE STRAIGHT PASS, THROUGH PRODUCTION AND FREEZER IN THIS INSTANCE.
AND THEN THEY, WE WON'T HAVE A, UH, ADDITIONAL BEER COOLER THAT WILL BECOME A DRY STORAGE SPACE, WHICH IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN IN THAT BUILDING.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AND YOU SAID IT'S BUSY, UM, THAT INITIAL DESIGN AND, UH, HAD A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE SO'S BIG ACTIVITY IN THE STORE.
AND, UM, WE ARE DOING RECORD NUMBERS, UH, BLESS OUR CLIENT BASE.
AND, UM, ANY DRY STORAGE IS JUST, UH, IT'S IT'S GOLD FOR US.
SO, UH, AS YOU SAID, WE ARE LOSING SOME PARKING SPACES, IT DOESN'T IMPACT, UH, ANY HANDICAP SPACES.
UM, WE WILL MIMIC THE, UH, LANDSCAPING WHEN WE, UH, CUT BACK, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE RIVER ROCK AND SHRUBS.
UH, I WOULD EXPECT WE PROBABLY, UM, REPLACE THE SIDEWALK AS IT STANDS NOW.
AND THEN, UM, WE WILL, IN THE SPRING, WE WILL DO A STAIN AND PAINT ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING TO MATCH A COLOR.
UM, THE BUILDING'S GETTING CLOSE TO AGE WHERE ACTUALLY WE MIGHT DO A, UM, UH, WHAT WE CALL AN EXTERIOR TENANT SKIN, WHERE WE REPLACE THE EXTERIOR CEDAR ALL THE WAY.
SO THE BUILDING WILL HAVE A FRESH LOOK.
WE'LL EVALUATE THAT IN THE SPRING.
I THINK ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. FARGO, CAN YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU EXPECT THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT TO BE? UM, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT MY LANE I DRIVE IN AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE MANAGING PARTNER THERE, A GENTLEMAN NAMED BRIAN CHAPEL.
UH, IT'S DEFINITELY HARD TO QUANTIFY.
IT'S MORE OF A, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE VERBIAGE I WOULD PUT TO IT.
UM, DO YOU LIKE MAYBE LIKE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT IF WE CONSIDER THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AT, UH, SOMEWHERE 325, 400,000 ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS? UH, I WOULD THINK BRIAN WOULD FEEL HE GOT HIS MONEY'S WORTH WITHIN THREE YEARS OF IT.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU THINK OF LIKE 125 TO 150,000 OF A FEELING OF RECOVERED MONEY, THAT I THINK THAT'S HOW I WOULD SAY THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT IS.
IT'S DEFINITELY HARD TO QUANTIFY AS FAR AS ACCOUNTING IS CONCERNED.
WELL, UM, IT'S MOSTLY CURIOSITY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY TEXAS ROADHOUSE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT, UM, IT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND AND NOT INCREASE YOUR NUMBER OF PATRONS OR THE SIZE OR THE SEATING CAPACITY, OR I'M JUST TRYING TO SURE.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE A UNIQUE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE COULD WALK AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND PUT A VERIZON WIRELESS THERE.
AND I WOULD SAY OUR STRUCTURES AREN'T COMPONENT-BASED, BUT THERE ARE THINGS WE DO THAT ARE REPEATABLE.
SO WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL SEATING PLATFORMS UH BUMP-OUTS AS WE CALL IT.
UM, AND YOU CAN PICK UP 50 SEATS HERE, 50 SEATS THERE.
I THINK BRIAN HAS THAT ON THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORTH WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO I THINK IN OUR DECISION-MAKING STRUCTURE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE, UM, BRIAN, WHO I'VE REFERENCED BY FIRST NAME, BECAUSE I TALKED TO HIM ON THE WAY HERE, MANAGING PARTNER, HE HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THAT STORE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST HIRE A MANAGER AND, UM, THEY JUST WORKED FOR STORIES AND THAT 10, BECAUSE HE HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST AND THEN THE, HIS SUPERVISOR HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST.
SO, UM, IF WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS, IT ALLOWS FOR US TO NOT CONSIDER A RELOCATION OR NOT CONSIDER PUTTING A NEW BUILDING SOMEWHERE CLOSE.
LIKE WE JUST OPENED UP IN TROY.
UM, AND DEFINITELY WE WANT TO SERVICE THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA.
I THINK WE'VE GOT FAIRBORN, SPRINGFIELD, TROY, AND HUBER, WHICH ARE ALL IN MINE.
UM, BUT DOING THESE THINGS TO RELEASE PRESSURE OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE SYSTEM, UM, CAN ONLY HELP AND ALLOWS
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HIM TO FOCUS ON THINGS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS THE, AND WE CERTAINLY WANT YOU TO STAY HERE.UM, SO YOU'RE TAKING OUT EIGHT PARKING SPACES TOWARDS THE BACK.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO THE TRAFFIC AND FLOW ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING? IS THERE GOING TO BE, IT DOES INTERRUPT THAT, UH, THOSE ISLANDS IN THE PARKING LOT, IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT IN ANY WAY THE FLOW, UM, AND IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THE, UM, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT TRUCKS GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
SO IN ACTUALITY, I'LL TAKE UP THOSE SPACES ARE, UH, LOCKED BY THE ISLAND ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE DUMPSTER GATES AND THE RIGHT SIDE.
I THINK IN FACT, WE'RE, WELL, I'D SAY SIX OR SEVEN FEET TO THE INSET, SO I DEFINITELY WON'T, UH, INTERACT WITH THAT DRIVE LANE.
YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO EXPAND THAT BUILDING.
YOU DO NEED TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING TO THAT FACILITY.
HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE OUT TO THE FRONT OR THE INTERSTATE SIDE.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD HAVE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING THERE, IF, UH, IF THE WEATHER COOPERATED.
IT'S KIND OF SEASONAL FOR THAT, BUT YES, IT WOULD BE NICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE HEARING? NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT MS. CONSULTANTS, INC FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 44 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 4TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AS FARGO.
WHAT IS NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? THE NEXT STEP IS TO SUBMIT FOR THE ZONING CERTIFICATE WITH THE CITY SO THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR BUILDING PERMITS.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT LARKSPUR IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR 7.234 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76 50 WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 43.
UM, MY APOLOGIES, BUT ONE SLIGHT CORRECTION TO THAT.
THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE, NOT A MINOR CHANGE THOUGHT.
AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, A MAJOR CHANGE COMES TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN THIS WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
MINOR CHANGE WOULD JUST COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO THIS REQUEST A AS IT'S A MAJOR CHANGE, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLETE REDO OF THE BUILDING LAYOUT, UH, FOR THIS SITE.
UH, THEY CAME BEFORE THE CITY FOR A STORAGE FACILITY WHERE, UH, THE EXISTING DANBERRY THEATER WAS.
SO THIS GOT APPROVED PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED.
AND IT'S SET FOR THE ABILITY FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THEY REACHED BACK OUT TO THE CITY AND HAD A REQUEST FOR WHAT IF WE REVISED, UH, HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE LAYOUT, WHERE THERE WERE, UH, QUITE A FEW INDIVIDUAL STORAGE BUILDINGS, UH, LOCATED KIND OF AT THAT FRONT.
AND WHAT IF WE DID JUST ONE LARGE BUILDING THAT A LOT MORE INDOOR ACCESS, UH, TO IT.
SO THAT IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE TODAY IS TO MAKE THAT CHANGE FOR A, UH, LARGE INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY, UH, LOCATED ALONG IN QUEENSTOWN BOULEVARD.
SO THE, UH, THE, THE PLAN ITSELF, UM, AS I MENTIONED, IS, UH, FOR THAT, UH, BUILDING TO TAKE THAT FRONT ENTRANCE AND IT'S, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE WOULD BE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME LOCATION FOR THE ENTRANCE.
UM, IT'S JUST, UH, THAT, UH, ACCESS AND HAS HAVE THE FORESIGHT AND ACCESS TO, FOR ANYBODY TO GET AROUND AND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AS WELL.
UH, SO THIS REQUESTS, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, AS, UH, THERE, THERE WERE, IT'S THE RIGHT PART.
UM, UH, THE OFFICE SPACE UP FRONT,
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UM, DOES HAVE A ROOM FOR THE PARKING SPACES.THEY HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACES.
ONE OF THOSE DESIGNATED AS A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, UH, THERE IS FENCING PROPOSED AT THE PERIMETER OF THE SITES, UH, WITH THE, UH, FENCING.
THAT'S A BUDDY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BEING THE DECORATIVE METAL FENCING.
UM, AND THEN THE COATED CHAIN LINK FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FENCING.
UH, THE EXTERIOR AISLES ARE 30 FEET AND 25 FEET WIDE, UH, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLE MOVEMENTS.
UH, THE SITES, UH, IS SERVICE BY PUBLIC WATER AND SANITARY.
UM, THAT'S LOCATED OUT AT THE STREETS, UH, AND THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
THERE IS AN EXISTING DETENTION BASED ON SITES THAT THEY ARE MODIFYING A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
SO THE, UH, SIGNAGE AS BEFORE, UM, THE GROUND SIGN SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET FROM GROUND LEVEL AND A MAXIMUM AREA OF 75 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT THE BASE OF MATERIALS SHALL MATCH THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, UH, LANDSCAPING.
IT'S A VERY WELL LANDSCAPED SITES.
THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO, UH, THAT STREET FRONTAGE, UH, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN WAYNE TOWN, UH, TO PUT A LOT OF, UH, THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TREES AND SHRUBS, UM, THAT, UH, DO SURROUND THIS SITE.
UH, ONE THING THAT, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN BEFORE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, IS THERE A, THE BUILDING'S MADE UP OF PRE-ENGINEERED METAL
AND IT WAS APPROVED THAT IT WAS ALL MASONRY MATERIALS ALONG THAT FRONT FACE.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT, UH, UM, UH, PRE ENGINEER, UM, METAL FOR THE PORTION OF THAT FRONT FACE AS WELL, THIS TIME.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THAT WHOLE FACE SHOULD BE MASONRY ALONG THAT FRONTAGE AS WAS APPROVED BEFORE.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSED DECISION AND RECORD IS THAT THE FRONT FACE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF ALL MASONRY MATERIALS EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOW WALLS AND WALK THE OFFICE NOW IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND THIS AS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT, UH, WHATEVER THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO COUNCIL COUNCIL'S DECISION IS THE FINAL.
IT DOES NOT COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR THE, A DETAILED PLAN.
SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES? SO SCOTT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MASONRY MATERIALS ALONG THE WAYNE TOWN FACING SIDE, RIGHT? YES.
BUT BEING THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE, UH, IS THE DRAWING WITH THE ROADS ALL RIGHT THERE.
SO THE, WHAT WAS THAT, I GUESS THE NORTH FACE IS GOING TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM WAYNE TOWN.
NOW, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT MORE MASONRY THERE, BUT BEFORE IT WAS BROKEN UP BY ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS FACING, SO HERE NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO LARGE SPACES ON WAYNE TOWN BY THE LOOKS OF IT.
UM, TH THERE WERE LARGER FACES THAT WERE VISIBLE AT THAT END.
THEY WERE JUST MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, SO THAT, UM, IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT BEFORE, UM, FOR THAT NORTHERN SET OF BUILDINGS IN THIS.
UM, THEY DO THE TRUE, NO NORTHERN PARK THAT DOES SHOW UP AS ABOUT WHAT FIVE BUILDINGS UP IN THAT AREA.
IT'S LIKE A PHASE TWO, UM, THAT IS NOT BEING, UH, REQUESTED TO BE MODIFIED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THAT WOULD STAY APPROVED AS BEFORE, BUT DIDN'T, WE HAVE MORE UNITS, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THOSE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS AND WAYNE TOWN BEFORE.
SO WE HAD MORE ROWS OF BUILDINGS, WHICH BROKE IT UP BEFORE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO WHERE THE, WHERE PHASE IS BETWEEN PHASE TWO AND TWAIN TOWN BOULEVARD, THAT'S WHERE THE DETECTION BASIN IS.
SO THERE WERE NO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THAT LOCATION.
SO YOUR DISCUSSION, AS YOU THINK, YOU THINK THAT YOU WANT THE NORTH FACING VERY,
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UH, IT'S UH, RIGHT.I MEAN, I JUST THINK VISIBLY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE MASONRY MATERIALS BECAUSE OF THE FACE, WE WENT FROM THE SMALLER ROWS, WHICH DOES BREAK THINGS UP TO A 90,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG METAL RUN ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO STICK TO THE MASONRY ON THE FRONT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS IN THE DECISION RECORD ALREADY, BUT A FAIR, I WOULD SEE WHAT ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PART.
I AGREE WITH JIM, I THINK THE AESTHETICS IN THE FRONT, KEEPING IT AS APPROVED IN THE RECORD JUST FOR A STUDY.
WELL, WE HAVE NUMBER FOUR OF THE DECISION RECORD THAT CONSTRUCTED THEM ALL BASED ON THE MATERIALS AND MATERIALS, EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOW WALLS.
AND I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE, FOR THAT, TO BE THE CASE, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT FRONT PART CHANGED.
NOW, THE NORTH PART IS KIND OF DIFFERENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A PHASE TWO, MAYBE WE WON'T.
AND, UH, THIS IS SO DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT, UM, I WAS VERY ADAMANT AND WANTING THIS APART FACING LANE TOWN ENDED UP IF WE GO WITH THE DECISION RECORD, I THINK THAT WE'LL BE OKAY.
ALL, ANY COMMENTS I WOULD AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM TWO PERSPECTIVES AND NOT THIS LANE TOWN.
AND IF THE FIRE WAS TO COVER THAT, I WOULD SAY GO THAT WAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET'S OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT I'M HERE, SO, OH, SORRY.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE, UH, FRONT FACE.
THE REASON WHY WE MADE THIS CHANGE REQUESTING THIS CHANGES OVER THE LAST YEAR, SIR.
DAVID BERNSTEIN FOR LARKSBURG PLEASE.
NO, THE REASON WHY WE WERE REQUESTING THIS CHANGES, UM, FUNCTIONALLY, UH, WE THINK FUNCTIONALLY AND VISIBLY, UH, WE ACTUALLY THINK THE CHANGES ARE ENHANCEMENT TO THE PLAN.
THE REASON WHY FUNCTIONALLY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN, I ACTUALLY HAVE A SLIGHTLY REVISED RENDERING.
I CAN I PASS OUT A SLIGHTLY REVISED RENDERING AND IS THAT OKAY? SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE MATERIALS, THE STOREFRONT CLASS.
UM, SO THE ISSUE FOR US FUNCTIONALLY IS THE OLDER, THE PLAN WE HAD LAST YEAR WAS A MORE TRADITIONAL STORAGE PLAN WITH ITS OLD STORAGE ROWS AND WHERE THE INDUSTRY IS GOING.
AND WE THINK WHERE, WHAT CUSTOMERS AND WE THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY MISSING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ONLY IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH ACCESS.
AND WE THINK IN A COLDER CLIMATE, SUCH AS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT'S A REAL AMENITY AND THAT'S A REAL VALUE ADD TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO DEMAND OUR SERVICES.
IN ADDITION, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ENTRANCES TO HAVE A DRIVE IN ENCLOSURE.
SO THERE WAS NO OUTDOOR LOADING AT ALL IN THIS PLANT.
AND WE JUST THINK THAT'S FROM A TECHNICAL AND FUNDAMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS ENHANCEMENT THAT YOU GET FROM GOING FROM THE FIVE TRADITIONAL STORAGE ROWS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FROM 1970 OR THE 1975, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE ICE STORAGE THAT YOU HALLS THAT THIS IS WHERE THE INDUSTRY AND WHAT CUSTOMERS ARE DEMANDING, ESPECIALLY IN COLDER CLIMATES, NOT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE NORTH FACE ON WAYNE'S TOWN.
WE DEFINITELY, WE WERE HERE A YEAR AGO AND WE UNDERSTAND WE WERE HERE ABOUT THE SPECTRUMS OF MASONRY AND
YES, THE BUILDING IT'S A 90,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT.
THE BASIC CONSTRUCTION IS PRE ENGINEERED, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DETAIL THAT UNLIKE LAST YEAR, WE'RE ADDING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STOREFRONT GLASS.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO, THAT WAS NOT THERE LAST YEAR.
SO WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE MATERIALS WE'RE USING AND WE ARE TRYING TO, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DOORS, THOSE OLDER LOOKING DOORS THAT ARE FACING WAYNE TOWN, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS MASONRY, WHAT WE SUBSTITUTED IS STOREFRONT GLASS RUNNING THROUGHOUT THE FRONTAGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS ON YOUR NEW SCHEMATIC.
WE CREATED A POWER PIT THERE THAT WE THINK GIVES IT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SORT OF A BETTER, MORE OF A RETAIL FEEL A LITTLE BIT.
YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THE STORAGE DOORS NOW.
SO BEFORE LAST YEAR YOU WOULD'VE SEEN STORAGE DOORS AND THAT CONVENTIONAL 1975 ESC VERSION, YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS VERSION.
AND TWO, WE WERE SENSITIVE TO THE MASONRY.
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WE KEPT THE BRICK GOING UP TO THE WATER TABLE AND MY ARCHITECT FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING SO THAT IT WASN'T CONFUSING.SO EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING IS PRE-ENGINEERED METAL, THE TEXTURED FINISH ON THE OVERLAY FACING WAYNE TOWN IS NOT GOING TO BE PRE-ENGINEERED METAL.
IT IS A TEXTURED, UH,
SO THAT FRONT FACING JUST LIKE LAST YEAR, REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUOTE UNQUOTE PRE-ENGINEERED METAL FACING THE WAYNE TOWN VIEW.
SO IN OUR VIEW, YOU'RE GETTING MUCH MORE STOREFRONT GLASS.
THE PRE-INJURY METAL, JUST LIKE IT WAS LAST YEAR IS NOT GOING TO FACE THE MAIN, THE MAIN WAYNE'S DOWN BOULEVARD.
SO WE TRIED TO INCREASE THE FUNCTIONALITY AT THE SAME TIME, MAKE IT VISUALLY APPEALING AS MUCH AS WE COULD FOR THE FACT THAT YES, IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A 90,000.
YOU'LL HAVE YOU SAY YOU HAVE DRIVE THROUGH AND I SEE THAT EVERYTHING WAS OKAY, DO YOU HAVE TEMPERATURE CONTROL? IT IS ALL TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED AND IT'S ALL SECURITY.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER THE LAST YEAR, IN OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, THAT'S A CRITICAL ELEMENT, AND I THINK THAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING.
THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST BE LIKE THE 1975.
I DON'T MEAN TO DEMEAN YOU HOME.
WE WANT TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, LAST, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HALL'S HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR I THINK WE WERE DOING AND BE MORE OF A COPYCAT AND WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING WHERE THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THAT ALSO THAT IT SEEMS LIKE CUSTOMERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DEMANDING THIS MORE MODERN TYPE FACILITY.
THIS UP I RECENTLY WAS, WAS, UH, DOWN IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND ALSO IN FLORIDA.
AND I, I SAW A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, LIKE THIS.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS ALL BEING ENCOMPASSED INTO A ONE BIG BUILDING.
I THINK IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY LOOKS GOOD THAT WAY.
UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, BEING ON A CURVE, UH, PRETTY MUCH 90 DEGREE IS ALL WAYNE DOWN BOULEVARD, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WANT, YOU KNOW, WHERE I THINK SOME OF OUR CONCERN IS ON THAT NORTH SIDE.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE WATT, UH, WATER TABLE BRICK ON THAT SIDE.
WELL, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN, I MEAN, WORKING WITHIN THE FUNCTIONALITY OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD ALLOW US TO DO, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS.
WE WERE DEFINITELY, IF THERE'S A SENSITIVITY ON THAT SIDE, WE CAN DEFINITELY EXTEND THE WATER TABLE AROUND IF THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, CERTAINLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNING CASE AND HEARING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION BACK IN DISCUSSION.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT EVERYBODY WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING NUMBER FOUR TO, UH, THE WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD SIDE, AND ALSO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WHAT I'M HEARING OR AT LEAST THE TABLE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, SO WHAT I HEARD WAS JUST THE WATER TABLE FOR MASONRY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE IS WHAT I HEARD IS THAT, UH, THE LATEST DOES COMPLY WITH NUMBER FOUR FOR THE WAYNE TOWN.
SO THE, THE, UM, UH, HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY HE'S WILLING TO DO THE WATER TABLE ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THEN IT WOULD STILL BE THE METAL ABOVE THAT IF THAT'S OKAY.
COULD YOU ADD THAT TO OUR NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE? JUST ONE MINUTE.
SO NUMBER FOUR, CURRENTLY STATES THE FRONT BUILDING FACE ALONG WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF ALL MASONRY MATERIALS EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOW WALLS.
AND I'M GOING TO CROSS OFF ALONG THE OFFICE SO THAT ANY WINDOW WALL IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ON THERE.
THAT'S NOT JUST ALONG THE OFFICE NOW.
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SO WE'RE MOVING ALONG THE OFFICE AND NOW ADD, AND THE NORTH FACE SHALL HAVE BRICK UP TO THE WATER TABLE.ELEVATION IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, LARKSPUR REQUESTING APPROVAL OR MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76 50 WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER PIECE 70 0 4 0 0 5 DASH 0 1 0 0 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITORS TAX MAP, ZONING CASE 2143.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AMENDED ATTACHED TO THERE'S.
MY MISS OP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? IT'S THOMAS? YES.
UH, THE NEXT STEP, THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED OF WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE WELCOME.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, 22 ACRE STORK PROPERTY, BELL FOUNTAIN, RIGHT? UH, YES.
UH, MR. CHROME GOLD IS HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, DISCUSS WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, A POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT, UH, HE IS, UH, LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD WITH THERE'S 22 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL FOUNTAIN, KIND OF ACROSS FROM THE OAKS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO THE REQUEST, UH, UH, A FORAY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, I DO HAVE SLIDES OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY WE'LL PASS IT ON TO MR. GOLD TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR.
AND HE'S LOOKING FOR, UH, INFORMATION BACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH AN OFFICIAL SUBMITTAL.
BOB CRONE, GOLD 33 33 MADISON PIKE, UH, FORT RAE, KENTUCKY.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, SEEING A LOT OF YOU GUYS RIGHT HERE, PLEASE.
UM, I WANT TO REACH OUT TO SCOTT FIRST.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S LEAVING AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP, GREAT ASSET FOR THE CITY AND I WILL SORELY MISS HIM.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP AND WE REALLY LIKE DOING BUSINESS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND SCOTT'S A BIG REASON WHY AS WELL AS YOU GUYS.
UM, WE ARE DOING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT UP IN THIS MARKET AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A SITE RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR OAKS AT HUBER HEIGHTS, AND WE JUST COMPLETED SECTION NINE.
THE 22 ACRES SITE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT IT HAS A CELL TOWER NEAR IT AND A PIPELINE GOING THROUGH IT.
AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
UM, JENNIFER GONZALES IS HERE FROM FISHER HOMES WITH ME TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE PRODUCT MORE IN DETAIL.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT THIS SITE IS WHAT THE PRODUCT IS A PAIRED PATIO HOME.
SO THAT'S THE LAYOUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE IS A GAS PIPELINE BASICALLY GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE HARD TO WORK AROUND AND ALSO WE'LL NEED A LIFT STATION TO GET THE SEWER OUT.
SO IT'S GOT SOME CHALLENGES TO THE SITE, UM, THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK THROUGH.
UM, THIS PAIR PATIO PRODUCT, IT'S A SLAB PRODUCT.
UM, IT IS CATERED TO FOLKS THAT WANT TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT DON'T WANT TO BUY A, YOU KNOW, 350 TO $450,000 HOUSE, BUT THEY WANT TO SELL THEIR HOUSE, RETAIN THE VALUE OF THAT HOUSE, MOVE INTO A PRODUCT, STAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE THE ONE STORY LIVING.
SO THE PRODUCT HAS BUILT BEING BUILT, AND WE'VE GOT SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES WHERE THAT'S BEING BUILT.
UM, AND IT'S BEING VERY WELL RECEIVED FOR JUST A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF THE MARKET.
SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT A TWO-STORY OR A SINGLE-FAMILY TRADITIONAL STYLE HOUSE.
SO PART OF THE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
ONE OF THEM HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A LOFT ON THE TOP OF THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT THE PRIMARY PRODUCT IS FIRST-WORLD
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LIVING.IT'S, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY AFFORDABLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WE THINK IT HITS A SEGMENT OF THE MARKET.
SO WE'RE ANXIOUS TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU AND GET THIS ON TRACK FOR DEVELOPING IT AND STARTING BUILDING NEXT YEAR.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OR ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, BUT COLLECTIVELY WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS PROPOSAL.
I WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT LOOKS TO STAY IN THE TOWN IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT YET DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE IN A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME WITH TWO STORIES.
SO I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT.
UM, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, OF THESE HOMES.
I'M WITH YOU ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT AGE, I, I LIKE MY HOUSE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MOVE INTO A HOUSE.
AND THIS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHOICE.
JENNIFER GONZALEZ, 7,603 WATERCRESS LANE.
UM, I'VE WORKED FOR FISHER FOR ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS.
I WAS ORIGINALLY IN KIND OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND I'VE RECENTLY MOVED INTO, UH, BUYING LAND SO THAT WE CAN PUT HOMES ON.
BUT I KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT WHO BUYS OUR HOMES AS WELL AS, UM, KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE CATERED TO BECAUSE WE PUT A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO THE LIVABILITY OF OUR HOMES.
SO I REALLY AM PROUD OF THE COMPANY I WORKED FOR.
SO, UH, WITH THE, WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY A WEMBLEY WITH A LOFT.
IT'S A FIRST FLOOR LIVING VERY, VERY LARGE OWNER SUITE OWNERS, UM, ON SUITE WITH A BATHROOM SHOWER, TUB, AS WELL AS, UM, KIND OF COME OVER HIM ON ITS SIDE AS WELL.
AND THEN A VERY LARGE WALK-IN CLOSET AS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AS WELL AS THE STUDY, IT'S GOT A LARGE, UM, KITCHEN ISLAND, VERY, VERY LARGE KITCHEN ISLAND, AS WELL AS, UM, LIVING SPACE KIND OF ALL WRAPPED UP IN ONE LAUNDRY ROOM.
AND THEN IT ACTUALLY HAS A LOFT UPSTAIRS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF CATERED MORE TOWARDS, UM, A FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN REALLY AT HOME ANYMORE, BUT STILL HAS SPACE FOR MAYBE GRANDKIDS FOR THEM TO GO UPSTAIRS AND SPEND SPEND THE NIGHT, WEMBLEY STARTS AT 1,247 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S IF THE PERSON SHOWS TO DO JUST THE FIRST FLOOR LIVING.
SO THAT WOULD REALLY BE KIND OF A ONE TO TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLD, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BUILT SINCE THEY ARE BUILT IN PAIRS.
IF YOU ADD THE LOFT ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE TO ADD THE LOFT ON THE SECOND SIDE.
SO WHEN WE BUILD THEM, WE USUALLY ARE BUILDING CATERING TO A SPECIFIC CUSTOMER WHO WANTS THE LOFT AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY WE BUILD THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN THAT ONE GOES UP FOR SALE FOR, UM, JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A HOME, A SPEC HOME THAT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO MOVE INTO, UH, WITH THE HUDSON THAT ACTUALLY HAS THE LIVING UPSTAIRS.
WELL, THE WAY THAT THAT FLOOR PLAN IS SET UP, IT ALSO OFFERS A VERY LARGE LIVING SPACE WITH THE KITCHEN AND LARGE KIND OF ISLAND THERE, UH, THAT OFFERS 1,657 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S STANDARD.
SO THERE'S NO OPTION FOR LIKE A LOFT OR A WALKOUT BASEMENT, BUT SINCE WE'RE PLANNING SLABS, THE WEMBLEYS WILL HAVE THE OPTION OF LAW.
UM, SO 1247 FOR THE WEMBLEY, 1657 FOR THE HUDSON, THE HUDSON, THE WAY THAT SET UP, IT HAS TWO VERY LARGE OWNERS SUITES UPSTAIRS.
SO IT'S USUALLY, UM, PEOPLE CAN TURN IT INTO AN OFFICE UPSTAIRS, AS WELL AS THE LARGE LIVING SPACE, OR YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF MAKING IT A THREE BEDROOM, WHICH THEN TURNS IT INTO THE LARGE OWNER SUITE AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
IT'S UM, WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE CREATED IT, IT WAS, WE WANTED IT TO BE MORE LIKE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL THAT WOULD BE BUYING THE HUDSON.
WHAT MY RESEARCH HAS SHOWN IS IT WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME, SAME BUYER, JUST, UM, ARE YOU WILLING TO DO STAIRS OR NOT? SO, SO IT ENDED UP BEING US THE SAME ONE TO TWO, UH, FAMILIES, AND IT'S TWO TO A TWO CAR GARAGE AS WELL ON BOTH OF THEM.
SO IT GIVES JUST A LOT OF SPACE, A LOT OF STORAGE SPACE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, KIND OF LIKE A STUDY OR AN OFFICE SPACE AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY MORE OF A DOWNSIZING PRODUCT.
AND AGAIN, IT IS, UM, CONTROLLED BY AN HOA.
SO ANY LAWN CARE OR ANY OF THAT ITEMS, NONE OF THE CUSTOMERS HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT THEMSELVES.
ARE YOU FINDING THAT THE BUYER PROFILE IS THAT PROFESSIONAL OR ARE YOU FINDING MORE OF THAT? IT WAS MORE 55 AND OLDER.
SO I ACTUALLY HELD AN EVENT WHERE I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN WE BUILT OUR FIRST HUDSON AND WE SENT THINGS ALL AROUND THE STATE FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SEE IT SINCE IT WAS A NEW PRODUCT AND GET
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FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT, WHAT THEY LIKED, WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE, IF THERE WERE ITEMS THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE IN IT.AND I'D SAY 95% OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME THROUGH WERE ALL OLDER.
IT WAS USUALLY ONE TO TWO FAMILY MEMBERS.
IF IT WAS SOMEONE WHO, UM, WAS IN THAT YOUNGER RANGE, MAYBE IN THEIR FORTIES OR FIFTIES, THEY USUALLY HAVE JUST ONE CHILD AT HOME.
AND IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO GOT OUT OF THE HOUSE WAS WHAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND, WHICH WAS SHOCKING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE HAD CREATED THE PRODUCT FOR, BUT, UM, IT'S NICE BECAUSE IT OFFERS THE ADDITIONAL SPACE ALREADY BUILT IN AND IT GIVES MORE OF A TOWNHOME FEEL WHERE THE ONE IS MORE OF A, I WANT A PATIO HOME, BUT NOT 4,000 SQUARE FEET, SEPARATE QUESTION.
SO WITH IT BEING TARGETED MORE TOWARDS THE 55 AND UP, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THAT SECOND FLOOR? I MEAN, MOST OF THEM, ONCE THEY GO, ONCE THEY DOWNSIZE FROM THEIR REGULAR HOME, THEY KIND OF WANT TO GET TO THAT SINGLE LEVEL PATIO HOME, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE AS THEY AGE, NOT HAVING TO GO UP AND DOWN THE STEPS TO GET TO THE BEDROOMS. SO WHY WOULD YOU, I GUESS WHAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND, UM, THE ONE HAVING, UM, THE LIVING SPACE DOWN AND THEN THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS? YEAH, SO THEY ACTUALLY FEEL VERY, VERY DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THEM ON OUR WEBSITE, WE HAVE A VIRTUAL TOURS WHERE YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE HUDSON, FEELS MORE LIKE A TOWNHOUSE.
SO YOU WALK IN, THERE'S A LARGE LIVING SPACE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS TO GO TO SLEEP.
UH, THE WEMBLEY IS, FEELS MORE LIKE A PATIO HOME WHERE EVERYTHING IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT.
UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE ADDITIONAL SPACE IN THE HUDSON IS USUALLY USED FOR LIVING THE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT'S IN THE WEMBLEY IS USUALLY USED FOR LIKE VISITORS.
AND WE HAVEN'T NAILED DOWN THE MIX.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL WORK THROUGH.
OBVIOUSLY FISHER KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING MARKETING WISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE MIX OF THOSE TWO PRODUCTS, BUT WE THINK IT WAS MAYBE 60, 40, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ULTIMATELY END UP OF THE LOFT SALAD VERSUS THE PATIO.
I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A PATIO.
YOU KNOW WHAT JENNIFER AND HER TEAM WAS FINDING OUT WHO THE BUYERS.
SO THE REAR OF IT, LIKE IT HAS, I'M ASSUMING IT HAS A PATIO ON THE BACK.
IS THAT PATIO OPEN AND DIVIDED BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES WITH LIKE A SINGLE FENCE OR LIKE A SOLID FENCE? OR IS IT, I KNOW THERE'S SOME OFF OF KITTRIDGE THAT HAVE THEIRS.
THEY'RE MORE SINGLE STORY THOUGH, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ENCLOSED PATIO HOMES WITH SCREENS, THAT KIND OF STUFF THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
PERSONALLY, WE HAVE BUILT THESE WITH A SINGLE FENCE SPLIT BETWEEN THEM, BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME PINE TREES, WHICH WHEN YOU INITIALLY BUILD IT, THEY LOOK PRETTY SPARSE.
BUT THEN AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS IT FILLS IN.
AND SO IT KIND OF FORMS A FENCE BY ITSELF.
BUT THAT'S HOW WE HAVE, OR DO YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF FENCING IN LIKE YOUR AREA OF THE YARD? LIKE IF YOU HAVE A PET, CAN YOU, WILL YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO FENCE OR IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST REALLY MORE UP TO THE HOA? UM, I, I THINK PROBABLY IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
I DON'T, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PAST TWO? THE PAST TWO COMMUNITIES WE'VE LEFT IT PRETTY OPEN.
UM, THE WAY THAT WE USUALLY DO IT IS THE BACKYARD IS, IS KIND OF THE MAIN FOCUS AREA.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM IN THE FRONT, KIND OF WHERE YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LET YOUR PET OUT IN THE FRONT, BUT WE LIKE TO KEEP THE SETBACKS PRETTY CLOSE UP FRONT SO THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR YARD, IN THE BACK.
ANOTHER THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT BOB'S PLAN IS THAT A LOT OF ALMOST ALL OF THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO BACK UP THE OPEN SPACE WHERE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO BACK UP TO ANOTHER HOME ARE JUST THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, WHICH I REALLY ENJOYED ABOUT THE PLAN BECAUSE EVERYONE KIND OF GETS A PRETTY PRIVATE BACKYARD, MUCH MORE SO THAN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES JUST BASED ON COMMUNITY AND THE LUCK OF, OF NO ONE ELSE BEING AROUND THE PROBLEMS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
IT'S GOOD INPUT BECAUSE THE, THE CONCEPT IS TO HAVE EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE, FREE LIFESTYLE, BUT I'M A DOG LOVER AND DOG OWNER.
SO IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT A FENCE PROBABLY WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE RELATIVE TO IT BEING COMMON GROUND FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT STYLE, YOUR PET, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO FINISH A YARD FOR MY DOG.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FEASIBLE, BUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF DESIGNED SHREDDING, BUT THEY THEY'VE GOT THIS PRODUCT THAT'S SUCCESSFUL.
IT DEFINITELY HITS A NICHE AND THERE'S A LOT OF PET OWNERS THERE.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE WOULD ASK THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS YOU GET OLDER, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO HAVE THEIR PETS FOR THEIR OPINIONS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT, UM, I DO LIKE THE CONCEPT
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WHERE THE GARAGE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING AND THEN THE LIVING SPACE IS ON THE OUTER SIDE.SO IT KIND OF HELPS REDUCE THAT, UM, THAT NEIGHBOR NOISE.
UM, YEAH, SO WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH OUR, OUR DESIGN SITE DESIGN AND I THINK THE PRODUCT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PASS THAT AROUND.
SHE COULD LOOK AT IT BEFORE, WAIT TILL WE MAKE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR PLAN, IF YOU GUYS SENT ME PACKING TONIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE DESIGN AND COME BACK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FORMAL PROCESS, THIS IS READY TO SIGN TONIGHT.
I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, A GOOD IDEA.
AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE GET OLDER AND WE DOWNSIZE AND OUR KIDS LEAVE, AND I THINK IT'S A NICE OPTION OTHER THAN JUST PURE APARTMENT LIVING AND JUST PAYING RENT FOREVER.
UM, SO I, I DO LIKE THAT CONCEPT.
WHAT WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE, WHEN WE, AGAIN, WITH THE LOFT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, 1 41 40 SOMETHING.
I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THE SIZE.
I MEAN, FROM 1200, IF SOMEBODY WANTED A LITTLE MORE, YOU KNOW, CHERYL AND I'VE TALKED, THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT'S BEEN MISSING HERE AND THERE'S OBVIOUS DEMAND.
I GUESS THERE ARE PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF HUBER HEIGHTS INTO PLACES LIKE THAT.
IN OTHER AREAS, THEY LOOK VERY, VERY NICE.
I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THEM.
I THINK, I DON'T THINK THE RENDERINGS DO A LOT OF JUSTICE.
I'VE SEEN OTHER STYLES, OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY ON TREND RIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO START OUT BY SAYING, I THINK YOU'RE VERY WRONG WHEN YOU SAY IT'S 60, 40, I THINK IT AT LEAST 80 20, THERE'S A HUGE NEED IN HUBER HEIGHTS WHERE SINGLE FAMILY AND, UM, ARE THESE ALL TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS ARE SO THE, WHEN WE, UM, WITH THE SHIRT, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH A SEMI BUILDER.
SO WHEN CUSTOMERS BUY, THEY GET TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DESIGN PROCESS WHERE THEY GO THROUGH OUR DESIGN CENTER AND THEY PICK THEIR TILE FLOOR, PICK THEIR PAINT COLORS, HAVING A COLOR.
SO IT'S NOT KIND OF A PACKAGE DEAL.
SO THE WEMBLEY, THE WAY IT'S SET UP AS IT HAS A VERY LARGE NUMBER SUITE IN THE BACK.
BUT WHEN YOU WALK IN, THERE'S TAKES STUDY TO THE RIGHT, HOWEVER, IT CAN BE TURNED INTO A BEDROOM.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S CHOSEN WHEN THEY GO THROUGH SELECTIONS.
DO YOU WANT THE CLOSING DOORS THAT MAKE IT A BEDROOM OR DO YOU WANT THE GLASS DOORS? UM, THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE EXCITING.
SO THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT CUSTOMERS PICK WHEN THEY, WHEN THE BUILDING, WITHOUT THE LAW THEN WOULD TECHNICALLY BE ONE BEDROOM, THE STUDY, OR IF THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO GO OFF.
WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO I THINK IN A MONITORING MEDICS COMMUNITY ONE, WHEN WE SLAP THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOCK ON IT.
I THINK THE LOFT IS WONDERFUL.
IT'S A GREAT FLOOR PLAN, BUT IN OUR CITY, THERE IS A REAL NEED OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT WHENEVER YOU, WHEN PEOPLE START COMING TO YOUR PLACE, WILL YOU HAVE A CLUBHOUSE OR WEIGHT ROOM OF ANY KIND? NO.
UH, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE MODERATELY PRICED.
DO YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE? SO, UH, WE HAVE A VERY HARD TIME BUILDING ANYTHING UNDER $200,000.
NOW, LIKELY WHAT WE'RE SELLING THE WEMBLEYS FOR RIGHT NOW IS ROUGHLY TWO OR FIVE, AND WE ARE SELLING THE HUDSON'S FOR AROUND THERE.
IT'S STILL UNDER TWO 50 A WEEK.
DON'T WANT THEM PUSHING KIND OF OUT OF THAT AFFORDABLE.
UH, SO THE WAY THAT I THINK SOME OF THE PICTURES SHOW, WE DO WORK ON THE FRONT AND WE TRACK KIND OF BREAK IT UP SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF THE DUPLEXES KIND OF IN THE 1980 BOOK.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ONE GARAGE HAS FULL BRICK.
THE OTHER ONE HAS SOME SHAPE SIDING ABOVE THE GARAGE.
AND SO IT LOOKS, YOU CAN TELL IT'S TWO DIFFERENT HOLDINGS.
IT'S NOT A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE OTHER ONE FISHER.
WE ALSO DO SOMETHING CALLED MONOTONY RULES.
SO WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY TWO BUILDINGS TO HAVE THE SAME COLORS NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WE DON'T ALLOW FOR IT TO BE A VIRGIN.
IT HAS TO WORK TO SEPARATE IN OUR COMPUTER PROGRAM, ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
SO WHEN CUSTOMERS COME IN AND THEY PICK THE SIGN, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.
THEY'RE ONLY GIVEN AN OPTION OF THE SIGNS.
SO IT'S, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING LOOKS VARIATED AND KEEP THE STREETS.
AND MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE, UM,
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WE'VE TALKED, WE'VE DISCUSSED A GREAT DEAL RECENTLY ABOUT HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.WILL YOU HAVE ONE AND WILL YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PROVIDED EARLY ON? YEAH.
WE, WE, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES
YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S OKAY.
AND IT COULD EVEN BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO APPROVAL.
I, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE BRICK BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK UP A LOT WITH WHEN I'VE SAT IN ON HEARINGS AND THERE WILL BE, UM, I THINK THE FRONT, I THINK THE FRONT FACADE IS FANTASTIC.
I THINK THAT WE WILL HAVE VITAL SIGNING ON THE SIDES AND THE REAR.
SO I JUST WANT TO COME OUT OF THE GATE AND MAYBE ADDRESS THAT HEAD ON THAT.
WE, I THINK THE FRONT REALLY CAN BE, UM, MIXED AND MATCHED A LOT TO DO THE STREETSCAPE.
JENNIFER WAS TALKING ABOUT IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL FINISHES, I JUST WANT TO TRY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION EARLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KEEP THEIR PRICE POINT WHERE IT IS, AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AS WE GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU AND GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU EARLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE 80% BREAK AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SORT OF IS ADDRESSED EARLY.
SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
APPRECIATE THAT I AM WITH, AS WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, WE DEFINITELY NEED THIS TYPE OF HOME AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THEM THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT TOO, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SIZING AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, THIS IS A PERSONAL THING, BUT ONE THING THAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING YOU IS GARAGE DOORS, GARAGE, DOORS, GARAGE STORES, GARAGE STORES, WHERE DO YOU GO IN? YOU KNOW, YES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE IT.
AND TO ME, I LIKE THE WELCOMING OF THAT FRONT DOOR, AS OPPOSED TO THE GUARD STORE, TO ME, LATCHES ARE USUALLY MESSY AND ALL THAT JAZZ.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, BUT, BUT YET YOU'VE GOT A GOOD PRODUCT HERE AND I'M SURE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS.
MR. JEFFRIES, SCOTT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING, THE LAYOUT, THAT ONE.
SO I GUESS MY, I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE ON THE FIRE ACCESS WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEEDING THAT SECONDARY ACCESS FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND I THINK I'M LOOKING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO SAY WAS NOT THE CASE THERE, BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE GREEN PADS OR AT GAYDON.
AGAIN, IF WE DO THAT, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT WIDENING THE ENTRANCE WITH A BOULEVARD, SINGLE ENTRANCE, THE FIRE MIGHT BE OKAY WITH AND HAVE THAT LOT JUST ALL SHIFTED OVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE DESIGN THAT FIRE MIGHT BE ON BOARD WITH.
THAT'S DEFINITELY A DISCUSSION THAT IF FIRE'S OKAY WITH IT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE OKAY WITH SOMETHING RATHER THAN HAVING, AND THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE GATED AS LONG AS IT'S MADE SURE THAT IN ANY KIND OF HOA OR WHATEVER THAT, UM, NOBODY DOES TRYING TO PUT A FENCE UP IN THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, THIS IS A TOUGH SITE BECAUSE COMPLETELY SURROUNDING IT OR OTHER EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE DON'T KNOW, WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO LAST LINE WITH THE CREEK LINE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCE EXES EXIT SELF AT THAT TIGHT SPOT TOO.
BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS AS THE FIRST GENERATION, THE NEXT GENERATION, THERE'S ONLY 134, THIS SHOW ONE LOT TO LOOK OUT THAT DUKE PATTERN.
SO THE NEXT GENERATION WHERE THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY.
SO IT IS THE SYMBOL THAT PLAN YOU'LL SEE WILL BE NARROWER LOTS INSTEAD OF 64, WHATEVER'S ON, THERE WILL BE THE 134.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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I MAY ASK A QUESTION, SO IF I'M BUYING ONE, I'M BUYING THE WHOLE LOT IO, WE'LL CALL IT HALF A HOUSE.AM I RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING MY DRIVEWAY SIDEWALK? I KNOW THE MOWING IS GOING TO BE DONE BY THE HOA, BUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROUGH AREA BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PLACE HALF A ROUGH THOSE KINDS OF HOURS AT WORK.
DO YOU KNOW? I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT THE EXTERIOR IS MAINTAINED ON THE HOA JUST FOR THAT REASON.
SO ONE GUY DOESN'T PAINT HIS HOUSE AND THE OTHER GUY DOESN'T LEAVE IT LOOKING BAD.
AND PERFECT EXAMPLE IS THE ROOF.
SO I THINK IT'S EXTERIOR MAINTAIN YOU ON THE PAINT TO PAINT LIKE YOU WOULD IN A CONDO TYPE SETTING.
BUT WE, I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL HAVE THAT.
HERE'S WHAT THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
HERE'S WHAT THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FROM, LIKE THE ENGINEERING SIDE.
UM, WE WOULD REQUIRE SEPARATE, UM, SERVICE LINES, WATER, OR SANITARY SERVICE.
SO THERE'S NOT A, IF, IF THERE IS A FAILURE IN ONE SIDE THAT YOU'RE NOT TAKEN OUT A WHOLE BUILDING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, THEN IN THE FUTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT.
SO JUST WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
MS. AUTO, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
GET READY IF WE COULD UNDER I WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
CAUSE IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT CAME UP UNTIL RECENTLY THAT I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THERE WAS A RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT UNION AT CHAMBERSBURG, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UM, SO THAT STILL HAS NOT GONE TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG.
SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT A, UH, WE CAN APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO THAT.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THE RECOMMENDED ITEMS WITHIN THIS.
UM, SO, AND I ADMITTED AT THAT TIME, I HADN'T REALLY GONE THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HADN'T, DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, WELL, MR. JEFFRIES AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT NOW THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH IT, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS CLEAR WITH WHAT'S IN HERE AS IT MOVES FORWARD.
UH, SO THERE'S NO SURPRISES OF WAIT, WE APPROVED FOR THAT, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, I HAD, UM, LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT WRONG.
THE, THEY WERE RECOMMENDING THE NORTHERN ACCESS POINT TO BE THE RIGHT END RIGHT OUT.
AND I ASSUMED IT WAS THE SOUTHERN ONE THAT COMES ACROSS FROM THE BANK RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS ON OLD TROY, UM, THAT COME OUT WITH THE PROPOSAL.
SO THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT THAT THE BANK USES RIGHT NOW, THE PROPOSAL AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT'S FULL ACCESS.
IT WILL BE, UH, REDONE AND WIDENED FOR THAT FULL ACCESS TO GO TO THE APARTMENTS AND DOWN TO THE BANK.
THE NORTHERN ONE THAT'S CLOSER TO, UM, THE STREET IS A JOHANSON.
UM, THAT ONE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING BECAUSE OF THAT CLOSENESS TO THE STREET ACROSS THE STREET IS THE RIGHT END, RIGHT OUT ACCESS POINTS.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED ORIGINALLY THINKING THAT NORTHERN ONE WAS THE FULL ACCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BETTER VISIBILITY UP THE HILL, UM, AS WHEN YOU'RE DOWN THE HILL, UM, THAT CREST COMING UP AROUND THAT AREA, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE AS GREAT OF VISIBILITY.
UM, ALSO IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS ON AN OLD TROY PIKE THAT LEFT-HAND TURN LANE THAT GOES ON TO CHAMBERSBURG, EXTENDING THAT OUT, TO HAVE MORE STACKING, UM, IN THAT TURN LANE, WHICH WOULD HELP OUT FOR GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE MAIN DRIVE OF OLD TROY PIKE, THE, UM, IT WASN'T IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN NOW PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION THAT CHAMBERSBURG ITSELF BE WIDENED FOR THE FULL, UH, UH, LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
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SOME TRAFFIC SITUATIONS IN THAT AREA AS WELL.ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE ON CHAMBERSBURG, THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH A PROJECT THAT WILL BE WIDENING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CITY LIMITS, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT ALSO WAS NOT ANTICIPATED IN THIS STUDY, UM, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
SO THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU SAY CHAMBERSBURG, YES.
SO FROM OLD TROY PIKE TO THE CITY TOWARDS RIPRAP, YES.
THE CITY IS GOING TO DO A PROJECT THAT WIDENS THAT AND TAKES OUT THAT HUMP, UM, THAT LEVELS THAT OFF, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT AREA, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING.
SO PEOPLE DOWN IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN COME UP TO THE SCHOOL SAFELY.
UM, SO, UM, IN HERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXISTING, UH, LEVELS OF SERVICE, WHICH ARE NOT GREAT.
UH, SO, UH, WHERE THEY SAY THAT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD HEADING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, THEY HAVE LEVEL OF SURFACE, UH, THERE'S SOME DOWN AT LEVEL E WHICH, UH, THE RECOMMENDED IS D WE'D LIKE TO SEE SEEK, UH, AT LEAST A YOU'VE MADE THE ROADS TO WHY THERE'S NOBODY DRIVING ON THEM.
SO IF YOU HAVE A THAT'S GREAT, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN.
UH, ALSO IN TURN LANES, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TURN LANES THAT ARE LEVEL F, UH, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO SIT THROUGH A COUPLE OF LIGHTS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
SO THIS IS AT PEAK TIMES A DAY, SO YOU'D WANT THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE, THE BIG ISSUE IS, UM, AND THEN THE, WHICH THAT'S A WORST SITUATION AT THAT INTERSECTION THEN THE EVENING PEAK.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANTED TO, SO THAT YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT THIS INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO COUNSEL AND CLARIFIED AND HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT WHEN THEY SEE THIS, THAT ANYTIME YOU ADD CARS, BECAUSE OF THIS, IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION.
SO, UM, AND ALREADY BAD SITUATION WITH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
THERE'S THINGS IN THERE ABOUT THE, THE WAIT TIMES TWO TO THREE SECONDS MORE, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE, EH, JUST TWO TO THREE SECONDS, BUT THAT MAY MAKE YOU SIT THROUGH A LIGHT AND ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, TO GET THROUGH.
SO THE WIDENING OF CHAMBERSBURG WILL HELP IT.
THE EXTENDING OF THE TURN LANE ON OLD TROY WILL HELP.
AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CHAMBERS FOR ON THE WEST SIDE WILL HELP.
BUT THE, UM, DURING THE PEAK TIMES, UH, THE MORNING, I THINK WILL BE THE WORST BECAUSE AROUND SCHOOL TIME AND PEOPLE LEAVING FOR WORK, UM, WILL BE CONGESTED.
AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER INTO, UM, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO HELP THAT FLOW BETTER.
UM, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME OVERLAP OF PEAK PEOPLE GOING TO WORK AND GOING TO SCHOOL.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S WANTING TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL WERE AWARE.
UM, THAT'S GONE THROUGH THERE AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THE CITY COUNCIL IS AWARE, UM, OF ALL THIS INFORMATION BEFORE THEY VOTE.
SO WE HAVE A, UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 26TH, 2021 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED HEARING NO OBJECTIONS.
THEY ARE APPROVED REPORT AND CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. BOB GAL.
UH, SO, UH, AT THE, UH, NEXT MEETING, WHICH THERE IS ONLY ONE MEETING LEFT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF HOW THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS ALL.
SO ON DECEMBER 14TH, THERE IS A MAJOR CHANGE AT 58, 40 OLD TROY PIKE.
AND THIS IS FOR A PROPOSED USED LOTS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO YOU'LL HAVE, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR.
THAT'LL BE ON THE, WHERE IS THAT? THIS IS DOWN NEAR THE, UM, UM, FITNESS CENTER.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT THE EXISTING USE IS RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE CAR IS THE CARWASH SITE, SO IT'S THAT SITE WATERING HOLE.
UM, SO, UM, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF I CAN SAY A COUPLE THINGS NOW, UM, IT WAS, I SENT THIS OFF IN AN EMAIL EARLY TO, UH, ALL OF YOU.
AND THEN IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS IS MY LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, MR. FOSTER SENDING OVER HERE, WE'LL AT LEAST SHORT-TERM MAYBE LONG-TERM WHO KNOWS WHAT TERM UH, WE'LL UH, AT LEAST, UH, BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, FOR
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YOU TO, UH, UH, HANDLE THESE ITEMS. IT, UH, IS TRULY, HAS BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.THIS, THIS IS THE FUN STUFF FOR ME.
UM, GETTING TO LOOK THROUGH AND BE A PART OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE INTERACTION WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPERS RESIDENTS AND THE DECISION MAKERS, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF THIS JOB.
SO I WILL TRULY MISS ALL OF YOU.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS HAVE PUT IN ALL THAT HAS SO MANY GOOD QUESTIONS AND THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME YOUR, YOUR VOLUNTEERS, UM, THAT, UH, AND YOU'RE PUTTING THAT EFFORT IN THAT MAKES MY JOB EASIER.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, UH, JERRY HOSKINS, UH, SHE, UH, KEEPS THINGS REALLY RUNNING IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO WE COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT HER.
WELL, MR. PAUL CASKEY, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR ME ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY, UM, UH, WE'LL MISS YOU A LOT AND I WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK.
I THINK EVERY BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH HERE KNOWS WHAT A GOOD JOB YOU DO IN PRESENTING THEIR CASE FOR THEM.
AND I'M CONVINCED THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IS AS MANY BUSINESSES, NEW BUSINESSES HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR PRESENTATION AND ABILITY TO, UM, JUST TELL THEM, OKAY.
OVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER 12 YEARS, OVER 25 HUNDREDS OF NEW HOMES, SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN 12 YEARS, I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN THE FACE OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
THERE'S SO MANY WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT DOES THIS, HE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN WORKING WELL WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
I KNOW PERSONALLY, UM, YOU HAVE MADE THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, OF US BEING HERE, UH, CLARIFY, WELL, YOU KNOW, GIVE US GREAT INSTRUCTION AND I HAVE ALWAYS APPRECIATED.
YOU'RE PUTTING IT UP WITH SCOTT.
I'VE WORKED ON TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS WITH YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OUR STRUGGLES, WE'VE HAD OUR SUCCESSES AND, UH, YOU'RE EXTREMELY PATIENT EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, AND I AM TRULY GONNA MISS WORKING WITH YOU ON THE BOARDS TOO.
SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO EVERYDAY.
TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I TRY TO ASK A SILLY QUESTION UP HERE AT ANY ANYTIME.
SO JUST HOPE JASON UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE'S GETTING HIMSELF FOR THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.
UM, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD BE WISHING HIM WALK TO PLEASE BE GENTLE WITH MR.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO STAY HERE, TAKE A FEW MOMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, HEARING NOTHING.