Nov 08, 2021 City Council Meeting

[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]

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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEIGHTS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, REGULAR SESSION.

TODAY'S DATE IS NOVEMBER 8TH, 2021.

IT IS 7:00 PM OR GETTING STARTED.

UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

I REMEMBER TOO, IS OUR INVOCATION SEEPING BY RABBI LABEL, HAGAR OF THE BETH JACOB SYNAGOGUE AT 70 20 NORTH MAIN STREET IN DAYTON, OHIO, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE ASK THAT GOD BLESS THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING.

WE SAY THAT GOD SHOULD BLESS THOSE WHO WORK TIRELESSLY FOR THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE ASK THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER GRANT A SPECIAL BLESSING FOR SUCCESS AND THE BLESSING FOR VALUE AND THE BLESSING THAT THE WORK OF YOUR HANDS SHOULD BEAR FRUIT.

WE ASK THAT GOD BRING SUCCESS AND BLESSING TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU REPRESENT, THAT GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES, THAT GOD BRING YOU HEALTH, THAT GOD BRING YOU ALL SUSTAINABILITY, AND THAT GOD MAKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, A BENEFIT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHOM YOU REPRESENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANT ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

DID YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL.

HERE.

THIS IS BERGE MR. OTTO HERE.

MR. LYONS HERE.

MR. HILL HERE.

MR. WEBB.

HERE WE WERE BORN HERE.

UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR YOUR EXCUSE, MRS. .

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE MRS. BIRCH RICHARD SECOND EMOTION A SECOND TIME.

WOULD YOU CALL THE POLICE MS. BAKER? YES.

MR. CAMPBELL? YES.

MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MR. HILL.

MR. WEBB.

YES.

MR. SHAW.

YES.

AND MOTION TO EXCUSE MS. BURGESS A SEVEN TO ZERO.

THE

[5. Approval Of Minutes]

UH, ITEM FIVE IS A CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 25TH, 2021.

UM, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED THROUGH CORRECTIONS QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS THERE'LL BE APPROVED AS GIVEN THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

NEXT UP.

IS THAT NUMBER SIX SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS MR. ROGERS? THIRD ON THE SAME THING.

OKAY.

I REMEMBER

[7. Citizens Comments]

I HAVE TWO, UH, THE FIRST WOULD BE, UM, MRS. ANITA KITCHEN, IF YOU PLEASE COME TO THE HOOD.

HI, I, I NEED A KITCHEN 62 18 ALTA ROAD.

I WAS JUST WANTING TO SAY, UM, IF YOU GUYS COULD PLEASE LOOK AT NOT REPAVING ROADS WHERE THERE'S WATER MAIN BREAKS GOING ON, FOR INSTANCE, HUBBARD LAST TUESDAY WAS GETTING REPAVED AND IT WASN'T EVEN 30 MINUTES AFTER THEY PAVED IT.

ANOTHER WATER MAIN BREAK.

I'M JUST THINKING IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY BY PAVING.

SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT CONTINUOUSLY HAVE BREAKS ON THEM UNTIL THE WATER ISSUE IS RESOLVED.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANTED TO ASK IS THAT THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF COUNTERPRODUCTIVE NEXT UP.

WE HAVE BETH VAN HARE.

I'M SORRY.

YES.

OH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, SCOTT, UM, WARD FOUR IN THE CITY, UM, HAS HAD A LOT OF WATER, MAIN BREAKS.

UM, HAS THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PUT, UM, THE MAP OVERLAY OF THE ROAD RESURFACING PLAN, WHICH I KNOW IS ONE SET.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN A WATER MAIN BREAK, UH, WE HAVE TO REPAIR THAT.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING READY TO REPAIR A WHOLE ENTIRE WATER MAIN.

UM, IS THAT CORRECT? OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, YES.

SO, UH, THROUGH OUR GIS SYSTEM, WE ARE MAPPING ALL OF THE WATER MAIN BREAKS WHEN THEY HAPPEN.

SO WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM SUEZ AND THEN WE PLOT THOSE OUT ON THE MAP.

UH, SO THE AREAS

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SO LIKE THIS YEAR, THE AREA THAT WE DID, THE LINING PROJECTS, THAT'S WHERE THE MOST BREAKS WERE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS.

UM, ONE THING IS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON HUBBARD, THE PAVING WAS JUST PATCHING OF WHERE THERE WERE MAIN BREAKS.

SO IT WASN'T TO REPAVE THE WHOLE ROAD.

IT WAS JUST IN THOSE AREAS.

AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS ALL THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT VIBRATING THAT AREA IS WHAT'S CAUSED THE NEW BREAKS, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THEY WERE FIXING THE PAVEMENT.

SO THAT'S ALSO BEING LOOKED AT FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, FOR HOW THEY PICK OUT THE STREETS TO BE DONE.

THAT'S BASED ON, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT AND LOOK AT ALL OUR STREETS, RATE THEM, AND THE ONES WITH THE LOWEST RATINGS ARE THE ONES THAT GET DONE.

NOW, IF THERE IS A COMBINATION OF HERE'S A STREET THAT HAS HAD A LOT OF MAIN BREAKS, PLUS IT'S A STREET THAT HAS, UH, A BIG NEED FOR REPAIR, WE WILL TRY TO DO THE COMBINATION.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE HAVE REPLACED THE MAIN FIRST, THEN COME BACK IN AND PAVE.

SO THAT'S THE GOAL.

THE GOAL IS NOT TO PAVE AND THEN HAVE MAIN BREAKS JUST, UH, THERE THERE'S BEEN SOME BAD LUCK ON A COUPLE AREAS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO, UH, WE WE'VE DONE SOME REPAVING AND THEN THERE WAS MAIN BREAKS AFTER THAT, WHERE THERE WASN'T A HISTORY OF DOING IT.

SO, SO, SO YES, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS MAPPING ALL OF THAT OUT AND ESPECIALLY WHERE ALL THE BREAKS ARE.

AND ALSO, UM, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE BUDGET OVER THE NEXT MEETINGS OR SO, AND THERE IS MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, UM, AND WE'LL KEEP RAMPING THAT UP, UM, TO, UH, ADDRESS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND I, AND I'M SURE, UH, IT'S BEST PRACTICES FOR ENGINEERING TO, UH, REPLACE THE WATER MAIN AND THEN REPAVE THE ROAD.

YES.

UH, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY'RE THE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAVED AND IT'S ON THE LIST, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

UM, BUT IF WE NEED TO SUSPEND SOME OF THOSE ROADS, UH, REPAVING UNTIL WE GET THOSE WATER MAIN BREAKS, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BEST PRACTICE.

AND I'M SURE, UM, THE ENGINEERS LIKE YOURSELF DO THAT.

UH, COULD YOU ASK RUSS TO WHEN HE PUTS THAT TOGETHER, BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US IF THEY HAVE TIME JUST TO GO OVER THAT.

UM, CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED ATTENTION TO AND, UH, BASED ON THE SCHEDULE, I KNOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE MEETING THIS MONTH, ONE MEETING NEXT MONTH.

UH, JUST WHENEVER HE'S AVAILABLE, UH, TO BRING THAT BACK TO US, IF IT'S JANUARY, THEN IT'S JANUARY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE WON'T BE HITTING THE NEW REPAVING UNTIL PROBABLY MARCH OR APRIL NEXT YEAR, CORRECT FOR NEXT SEASON.

SO, UH, I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS REGARDING WHAT STREETS COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO, UM, WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THAT OVERLAYS WITH WHERE THE WATER MAIN BREAKS ARE.

AND IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS THERE AS WELL, WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SCOTT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

OKAY.

NEXT UP WE HAVE BETH GREEN HAIR.

GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL.

I FEEL LIKE I'M ON A FIRST NAME BASIS WITH ALL OF YOU NOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

I THINK THIS IS MY FOURTH TIME.

SO I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL WELL AWARE OF MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S DECISION LAW.

LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, 10 DAYS AGO TO, UM, NEXT THE ANNEXATION PETITION, WHICH BETHEL TOWNSHIP IS THRILLED.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE 1100 ACRES THAT TOUCH HEBREW HEIGHTS IN SOME MANNER, SHAPE OR FORM, AND WE'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE ANOTHER PARCEL ANNEXED.

AND WE ALSO ALL KNOW, UM, THAT THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE END OF THAT ANNEXATION PETITION.

SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO MEET WITH US SOMETIME IN JANUARY, YOU'LL HAVE NEW FACES THEN I THINK SO IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT, I'LL SEND AN ANTHONY ROGERS A OR TONY TO GO WITH TONY ON HIS FINE MAN.

THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST PUT THAT ON YOUR THING.

WE'LL SEND TONY AN EMAIL AND WE CAN GET TOGETHER.

WE'RE HAPPY TO COME TO YOU.

THERE'S FEWER OF US.

AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE A BIGGER SPACE.

UM, YES, NO, MAYBE ONE THUMBS UP, UM, EVENING.

YEP.

THAT'S GOOD.

WE'RE ALL FLEXIBLE.

SO WE CAN BRING EVEN SNACKS, SNACKS ALWAYS MAKE THE MEETING GO BETTER.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I REMEMBER EIGHT ASSISTANTS RICHARD TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS. THIRD ON THIS EVENING MIRROR AND

[9. City Manager Report]

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SCOTT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS TONIGHT.

UM, ONE IS A REMINDER THAT, UH, THIS THURSDAY THERE'S A VETERANS DAY WREATH LANE CEREMONY DOWN AT THE NEW VETERAN'S MEMORIAL OVER THE WEEKEND.

WE HAD THE DEDICATION WHICH WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.

IT WAS A VERY NICE, UH, DEDICATION.

AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS, UH, THURSDAY AT 4:00 PM, THERE IS GOING TO BE A WREATH LAYING CEREMONY.

SO ANYBODY THAT CAN MAKE IT OUT THERE FOR THAT.

AND THEN ON NOVEMBER SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON.

FIRST IS THE LAST FARMER'S MARKETS WILL BE AT THE BARN ON EXECUTIVE.

UH, THAT IS FROM 10 TO TWO.

SO THAT'S THE LAST ONE OF THE SEASON.

SO, UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO UP TO THE FARMER'S MARKET, HEAD ON STRAIGHT DOWN TO MANITA FIELD FROM THAT THEY, UH, BIKE AND SKATE PARK AT MENINO FIELD.

UH, THE SOFT OPENING IS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 20TH, FROM ONE 30 TO THREE 30.

UH, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE COMPLETE AND BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, UH, THE PROGRESS OF THE AREA AND, UH, BRING THE KIDS OUT WITH THEIR BIKES AND SKATEBOARDS AND, UH, ENJOY THE DAY.

AND THEN, UH, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW, UH, WOULD LIKE TO READ SOMETHING TONIGHT, OF COURSE.

OKAY.

HOPEFULLY I CAN GET THROUGH THIS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO THIS WILL BE MY LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AS I HAVE TURNED IN MY FORMAL RESIGNATION FROM THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS NOW EFFECTIVE THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 18TH.

UH, THERE WAS SOME, UH, UH, REASONS TO STICK AROUND FOR SOME BOND ISSUANCES, SO WILLING TO DO THAT.

UH, SO FOR OVER 12 YEARS, I'VE HAD THE HONOR TO SERVE THIS GREAT COMMUNITY.

I APPRECIATE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS BEEN AFFORDED TO ME.

I CAME HERE FROM THE PRIVATE AS A PROJECT ENGINEER AND IN THE PAST A BIT OF EXPERIENCE WORKING ON PROJECTS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, I DID DESIGN WORK ON SOME OF THE STREETS AND PARKING LOTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, THE, DURING THAT TIME.

UM, SO I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HUBER HEIGHTS EVEN BEFORE I CAME HERE.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY I CHOSE TO COME HERE AS AN ENGINEER.

MY FIRST WEEK HERE, I WAS HANDED PLANS TO REVIEW FOR THE FIRST SECTION OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.

SO THE VERY FIRST SET OF HOUSES BEING BUILT.

I GOT TO SAY THAT I WAS PART OF, AND NOW, UH, 12 YEARS LATER, THERE'S OVER 1200 HOMES THERE.

IT'S AMAZING.

I'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN MANY PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, THE FIRE STATION, 25, THE CONCESSION STAND DIGITAL SIGN OF CLOUD PARK, THE DOG PARK, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AND THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AT THE HEIGHTS.

JUST TO NAME A FEW, UH, THAT RIGHT THERE IS A LIFETIME WORTH OF GOOD PROJECTS TO BE INVOLVED IN OVER 2,500 NEW SINGLE FAMILY.

AND MULTI-FAMILY HOMES HAVE BEEN BUILT IN MY TIME HERE IN THIS, WENT THROUGH THE RECESSION, UH, TIME AS WELL.

I AM TRULY THANKFUL FOR THE SUPPORT AND OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

HUBER HEIGHTS WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF WHO I AM.

I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE STAFF HERE AS THEY ARE ALL HARDWORKING AND DO AMAZING WORK.

I HAVE BENEFITED FROM GETTING TO KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO MY JOB WITHOUT THEM, WITHOUT MY PLANNING, ADMIN ASSISTANCE.

FIRST, UH, MARGIE MALL, AND NOW JERRY HOSKINS, I WOULD BE LOST PEOPLE LIKE THEM ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

JIM BORLIN GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND TAKE ON MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

I AM ALSO GRATEFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO SERVE UNDER ROB SHOMER AND LEARN MORE ABOUT CITY MANAGEMENT PROCESS AND TRANSPARENCY THAN I WOULD EVER THINK POSSIBLE.

I COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT BEING LED BY HIM FOR MANY YEARS.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY AND HAVING FAITH IN ME TO LEAD.

I APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME AND FOR ALL OUR INTERACTIONS FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR DAYS, MAYOR TO PLANNING COMMISSION, DAWN, TO ALL THE AMAZING PROJECTS THAT WE EXPERIENCED TOGETHER.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, THERE IS ONLY ONE OF YOU THAT WAS ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, MARK CAMPBELL, I HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU AND YOU HAVE BECOME A GOOD FRIEND TO ME.

ALL OF MY GROWTH HERE HAS BEEN ON YOUR WATCH AND I FEEL LIKE I LEAVE A BETTER PERSON FOR IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

AND THE CITIZENS OF HUBER HEIGHTS ARE SOME OF THE MOST CARING, WONDERFUL PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET.

YOU ARE IN GOOD HANDS AND HE WRITES WILL CONTINUE TO GROW STRONGER AND MORE PROSPEROUS AT WHICH YOU ALL THE BEST YOU DESERVE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS SCOTT.

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SO I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME.

I'VE KNOWN YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THE CITY, I KNOW WHEN YOU BECAME INVOLVED WITH THE CITY AND I KNOW, UM, HOW YOU HELPED US ON A PRIVATE PROJECT.

I MEAN, YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WHAT YOU DID FOR US.

UH, SO I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE CITY WAS IN GOOD HANDS WITH YOU RUNNING ZONING AND ALL THE, UM, ALL THE BACKGROUND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PLANNING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALLY CERTAINLY AM GONNA MISS YOU.

THE CITY IS GOING TO MISS YOU.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A FRIEND, I'M HAPPY FOR YOU.

SO, UM, UH, WELL, MISHA SCOTT, I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THE CITY AND I'M KIND OF AT A LOSS FOR WORDS, BUT YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? YES.

MR. LYONS, THANK YOU.

UH, SCOTT, I'M REALLY SORRY TO SEE YOU LEAVE.

UH, YOU'VE BEEN A VALUED CITY EMPLOYEE, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE JOB YOU DO.

IT'S THE WAY IN WHICH YOU DO IT.

UM, I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF WORKING WITH YOU WHEN YOU WERE AN ENGINEER IN THE DEPARTMENT.

WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL, UM, YOU'VE TAUGHT ME A GREAT DEAL.

UH, I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU.

UM, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME OUT AS VERY YOUNG COUNCIL MEMBER OF BREAKING THE LAW, WHICH STAFF DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT MEANS TO ME NOW, BUT, UM, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND WHEN YOU'RE NEW AND EVEN VETERANS STILL MAKE MISTAKES, BUT TO BE ABLE TO LEAN ON STAFF AND LEAN ON YOU, UH, DURING THAT TIME, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME I GOT TO CALL ON YOU, UM, THE INCREDIBLE RESPECT THAT I'VE HAD FOR YOU AND YOUR WORK, UM, I'M REALLY, REALLY SAD THAT YOU'RE GOING BY.

I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH AND PEOPLE YOU HAVE WORKED FOR YOU, THAT WHEN THEY WANT SOMETHING, YOU HELP THEM ATTAIN THAT IF EVEN IF THAT MEANS YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE AND KEEP THAT IN MIND IN THE FUTURE, UM, THINGS CHANGE.

YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON ME.

UH, IF YOU EVER LIKE TO COME BACK IN SOME CAPACITY AS WELL, UH, I'VE MADE NO SECRET OF IT.

I THINK YOU WOULD MAKE AN OUTSTANDING CITY MANAGER.

I THINK YOU ARE THE BEST CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE CARDS.

UM, AND YOU CAN TELL DONNY JONES FOR ME, HE'S NO LONGER MY FAVORITE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, FORMER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT I WISH NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU MA'AM AND WHAT ELSE? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

[ An Ordinance Amending Certain Sections Of Part Five, General Offenses Code, Of The City Code Of Huber Heights. (second reading)]

THESE COME OUT OF RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION TO PART FIVE OF THE CITY CODE.

AND THE ASK TONIGHT WOULD BE TO ADOPT THIS AT THE SECONDARY.

THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR EMOTION, MR. CAMPBELL.

SO MOVE FOR A SECOND, MR. HILL SECOND MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION MR. CAMPBELL? YES.

MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS.

YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB.

YES.

MR. SHAW.

YES.

MS. BAKER.

YES.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.

NEXT UP IS

[ An Ordinance Amending Certain Sections Of Part Fifteen, Fire Prevention Code, Of The City Code Of Huber Heights. (second reading)]

SECOND READING.

UM, MR. ROGER, UH, THIS IS ALSO, UM, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION PROCESS.

IT IS AT THE SECOND READING, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

LAST WEEK, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE ADDED AFTER THIS HAD BEEN INTRODUCED IT, THE FIRST READING.

SO, UH, WHAT WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL TONIGHT TO DO WOULD BE, UM, TO MAN, THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE REPLACEMENT ORDINANCE INCLUDES THE TWO ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, PRIOR TO ADOPTION.

AND, UM, THAT AMENDED ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED AND DISTRIBUTED.

SO IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND, UM, THIS ITEM FOLLOWED BY A MOTION

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IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND MR. CAMPBELL MOTION TO AMEND OR SECOND IS MAKER MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT.

OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB.

YES.

MR. SHAW.

YES.

MS. BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.

NEXT ADOPTION, MR. HILL MOTION TO ADOPT GLENN SECOND EMOTIONAL, A SECOND TO ADOPT ANY OF THE DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. LYONS? YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB.

YES.

MR. SHAWL.

YES.

MS. BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. YES.

AND A MOTION TO ADOPT ALSO CARRY SEVEN TO ZERO.

AND

[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into A Lease Agreement With The Huber Heights Girls Softball Association For The Use Of Sports Fields At Thomas Cloud Park And Monita Field Park. (second reading)]

UH, YES, THIS ITEM WAS MOVED TO THE SECOND RATING AND THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS TO REVISE ON IT.

SO, UH, THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN AMENDED.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE PORTION IN THERE ABOUT THE FALL SEASON, UM, PUT AN AMENDMENT IN THERE, UH, CLARIFYING THAT ONLY IF THE AREA IS AVAILABLE, CAN THEY BE USED FOR THIS USE? UH, CAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN FROM THE SOCCER GROUP.

SO, UH, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKETS.

UM, AND THEN IT'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY.

THAT WORKS.

THAT WORKS.

THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO AMEND THE ITEM AND THEN ADOPT THIS EVENING.

AND, UH, THIS ONE, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION.

SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY READ THE AMANDA TITLE.

UM, AND IT WAS KIND OF, OF, THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO, AS SCOTT MENTIONED, UH, THERE WAS AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION AND TO THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE ATTACHED.

UM, SO WE WOULD BE AMANDA TO A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE HUBER HEIGHTS, SOFTBALL BASEBALL ASSOCIATION FOR THE USE OF SPORTS FIELDS AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK AND MANITA FIELD PARK AT THE SECOND RATING.

OKAY.

SO IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND? LET'S TRY TO MOVE TO A MINUTE.

SURE.

A SECOND, SECOND HILL SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND ANY DISCUSSION.

YES.

MR. LIGHTS.

YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, SCOTT, WERE THERE ANY CHANGES FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING? UH, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES OR WHATNOT.

I KNOW THESE CHANGES ARE IN FRONT OF US.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST MEETING, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IN HERE FROM THAT LAST MEETING, NOT INTO IT IN ADDITION TO WHAT I JUST MENTIONED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM SURE, SEAN.

THANK YOU.

SCOTT HAS A, THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION, UH, REVIEWED THIS, UH, WERE THEY A PART OF THOSE AMENDMENTS? THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT THE CONCERN OF THEIRS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND DID THAT, UH, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THEM SINCE TO VALIDATE THAT THEIR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ALLEVIATED? I HAVE NOT CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAVE NO MORE CONCERNS.

MR. MAYOR.

I, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TONIGHT TO A WITHDRAWAL OUR FIRST AND SECOND MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE CLARIFIED WITH BOTH ORGANIZATIONS 100% THAT THIS AGREEMENT IS READY TO GO.

UM, AND, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH LINES? UM, I HEAR, THANK YOU.

MA'AM I HEAR THE WORDS OF MR. SHAW AND, UH, I GENERALLY AGREE.

UM, HOWEVER, AT THE LAST MEETING, I THINK FORMER COUNCILMAN STAR LINE, IT SAID THAT HE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.

HE CAME AND HE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND, UH, I WAS FINE WITH MOVING THAT ALONG AND REASONABLE REQUEST.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION OR SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION HAS WAITED QUITE A LONG TIME.

AND I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BLAME ANYONE FROM THE SOCCER FOR NOT BEING HERE TONIGHT BY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME IN LATE.

WE GAVE HIM A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

I THINK IT WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST.

I DIDN'T AGREE REALLY WITH ANYTHING FORMER COUNCILMAN STARLINE SAID.

UM, BUT I WAS IN THE CONVERSATIONS.

I HEARD WHAT SCOTT HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY, SO I HAD NO QUESTIONS, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, BUT I, I, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM ENOUGH TIME.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES AND LIKE TO GO ON, BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY HEARTBURN FOR ME, BUT I THINK WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH.

BUT THANK YOU.

MA'AM I THINK MR. MISALIGNS.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO, UH, ASK THE SAME QUESTION MR. SHAW ASKED.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE PUSHED HER FORWARD TO ANOTHER READING, THERE WERE TWO PRIMARY PURPOSES.

ONE WAS TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE WITHIN IT.

AND THE SECOND ONE WAS TO ENSURE THAT BOTH ORGANIZATIONS WERE ON PAR WITH WHAT WE WERE PLANNING AND THEY WERE GOOD TO GO WITH IT.

UM, YOU KNOW,

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THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

THANK YOU.

TELL ME THE MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

SO IF YOU, ARE YOU, SORRY, YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION.

I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

OKAY.

UM, SO THERE'S MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

WITHDRAWN DRAW THE SECOND, ANDY.

YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK IN THERE.

SO, SO, SO THE, THAT MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN IN THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEASE? MAY I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS LEASE AT THAT POSSIBLE? OKAY.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT OKAY.

AND MR. CAMPBELL SECONDS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB.

YES.

MR. SHAW? YES.

THIS BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

OKAY.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

OH, THAT THAT'S FOR THE AMENDMENT, CORRECT? YES.

SO THE ITEM HAS BEEN AMENDED NEXT.

WE NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION, MR. HILL MOTION TO ADOPT.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT FOR A SECOND? MR. WEBB? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ADOPTION.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

MR. MR. WEB.

YES.

MR. SHAW.

YES.

MS. BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS.

YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

AND MOTION TO ADOPT ALSO CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO NEXUS.

I AM 11, WHICH IS NEW BUSINESS ITEM, 11

[ A Motion To Approve The 2022 Council Work Session And City Council Meeting Schedules.]

HEY, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2022 COUNCIL WORK SESSION IN CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULES, MR. ROGERS, AS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

UH, THIS W THIS SCHEDULES FOR 2022 HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND APPROVED, UH, WITH THE TIME CHANGES AS DISCUSSED.

AND, UH, THIS WOULD JUST BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE SO THAT I CAN START GETTING THOSE DISTRIBUTED AND, UH, ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN PREPARATIONS FOR OUR MEETING SCHEDULE.

AND 2022 ARE READY.

YEAH.

THAT WAS THE RECLAMATION OF THE WORK SESSION.

MR. CAMPBELL MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOTION.

FRUIT IS BAKER.

SECOND, SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. SHAW.

YES.

YES.

BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS.

YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEB AND MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

NEXT

[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into A Contract With The Miami County Public Defender Commission To Provide Statutorily Required Legal Counsel To Indigent Persons For Fiscal Year 2022. (first reading)]

ITEM 11, BE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE MIAMI COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER COMMISSION TO PROVIDE STATUTORILY REQUIRED LEGAL COUNSEL TO INDIGENT PERSONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 AT THE FIRST READING AND MR. ROGERS COMMENTS.

UH, THIS IS JUST STANDARD LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE EACH YEAR THAT IMPROVES THE CITY'S CONTRACT WITH THE MIAMI COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER.

UH, THE RATES HAVE REMAINED THE SAME AS IN, UH, 2021.

AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL APPROVE THIS TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN GET THE AGREEMENT SIGNED AND IN PLACE BEFORE THE START OF 2022.

OKAY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE WORK SESSION, IS THERE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS FOR A SECOND? SECOND, THE MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ANYTHING NOT MS. BAKER? YES.

MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS.

YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB, MR. SHAW.

YES.

MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ An Ordinance Amending Certain Sections Of Part Nine, Streets And Public Services Code, Of The City Code Of Huber Heights. (first reading)]

A FEW BRIAN'S AT THE FIRST READING AND MR. ROGERS.

YEAH.

UH, THESE ARE A NEW SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION, COVERING A PART NINE, THE STREETS AND PUBLIC SERVICES CODE.

UH, I WENT OVER THESE IN SOME DETAIL AT THAT LAST MEETING.

UH, THE REQUEST TONIGHT WOULD BE TO MOVE THIS ORDINANCE, UH, TO A SECOND READING, TO ALLOW FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO A SECOND READING? OKAY.

SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND NEXT UP IS ITEM 11,

[ An Ordinance Amending Ordinance No. 2020-O-2453 By Making Supplemental Appropriations For Expenses Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio For The Period Beginning January 1, 2021 And Ending December 31, 2021. (first reading)]

SO WE'RE GETTING THAT MONEY

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AND THEN ALSO 70,000 FOR SANITARY SEWER LIFT STATION, ADDITIONAL DESIGN COSTS AND ACQUISITION SERVICES.

UH, SO, UM, THAT PORTION OF IT IS, UH, UH, KIND OF GOES WITH ANOTHER, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

UH, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TONIGHT.

AND THE REQUEST IS TO WAIT THE SECOND REAGAN.

OKAY.

THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.

IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING MR. HILL LISTENED TO WAVE IF YOU HAVE A SECOND, MS. BAKER SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

MR. OTTO.

YES.

MR. LYONS.

YES.

MR. HILL.

MR. WEBB, MR. SHAW.

YES.

YES.

MOTION.

THE WAVE CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO AND NEXT WE NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION.

SO SOME OF MR. HILL SECOND, A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MR. ROGERS, MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MR. HILL.

YES.

MR. WEBB, MR. SHAW.

YES.

MS. BAKER.

YES.

MR. CAMP.

YES.

AND THE ADOPTION ALSO CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.

AND NEXT IS ITEM 11

[ An Ordinance For Making Appropriations For Expenses Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio For The Period Beginning January 1, 2022 And Ending December 31, 2022. (first reading)]

AND ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2022 WITH THE FIRST READING SCOTT.

UH, YES, THIS IS THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AGAIN AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS GET PASSED TO A SECOND RATING.

AND THAT WAS THE RECORD IN RELATION TO ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO A SECOND READING.

YES, MR. LYONS MAY OR NO OBJECTION, BUT AT THIS TIME I MOVE TO AMEND THE 20, 22 BUDGET TO ADD THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC POSITIONS AND AT $240,000 AND $240,000 TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART STAFFING LEVELS.

AND THAT IS A MOTION MR. SHELL.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION WAS EMOTIONS.

YES, THE SHORELINES.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE, UM, THE DISCUSSION AND THE DEBATES AND THE ARGUMENTS BY, UH, HAVE BEEN CORDIAL ON THE DYESS.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT IN THE PAST.

I JUST WANTED TO, UH, BRING THIS UP.

I KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSION HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN FRONT OF STAFF.

I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF BUDGET THAT IS PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL, UM, DID NOT HAVE THAT.

AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

UM, AND, UH, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE DIOCESE, BUT I APPRECIATE, UM, COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE IN THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEP.

SCOTT, JIMMY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ADD? OR, UM, SO THE DISCUSSION, YES.

THIS, UH, THE ISSUE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND STAFFING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A WHILE NOW.

AND CHIEF KNISELY HAS CAME IN, DISCUSSED, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT, UH, YOU HAD PLANNED ON NEXT YEAR, COMING BACK WITH A PRESENTATION THAT ANALYZE THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

AND, UM, AT THE TIME, AT THE TIME DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THE NUMBER OF THAT REQUEST MAY BE.

UM, WHETHER IT'S THREE, WHETHER IT'S SIX, WHETHER IT'S 20, BUT BASED ON DATA ALSO WITH DISCUSSION WITH, UH, MR. TODD KOSKI, UM, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE, UH, THERE IS MONEY IN ACCOUNTS THAT COULD PAY FOR THREE FIREFIGHTERS, THE DISCUSSION AND THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS TO FIND THE LONG-TERM PAYMENT FOR STAFFING, UM, OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE.

SO, WELL, WHAT IS THE REVENUE SOURCE THAT FUNDS THOSE FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE LONGTERM? UH, SO THAT IS STILL ONGOING.

AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FINAL ANSWER OF WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM FOR THE LONG-TERM FUNDING OF ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S STILL BEING RESEARCHED AND LOOKED AT SCOTT, WHAT DO YOU THINK, UM, CHIEF MIES IS GOING TO BE PREPARED? IS THIS A FIRST QUARTER PRESENTATION? IS THIS A JANUARY PRESENTATION WHERE THIS IS A SECOND QUARTER PRESENTATION? HIS ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR THIS TIME NEXT YEAR FOR THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR 2023, BUT HE CAN BE PREPARED A LOT SOONER THAN THAT.

AND FOR IN THE FIRST QUARTER, UM, AND ALONG WITH MR. TODD KOSKI, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE ART DEPARTMENT PRESENTATION, BUT B THE, UH, SPENDING PORTION OF IT AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? YES, SCOTT, WASN'T IT? UM, WHEN CHIEF NICELY SPOKE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE MENTIONED

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AND ALSO BECAUSE OF COVID THAT HE'S NOT BEEN ABLE TO REALLY DO ANY SORT OF DATA ON WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS HE NEEDS.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT HAS BEEN PART OF THAT CONVERSATION OF WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS OF COVID FOR THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND WE'VE HIRED, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE NUMBER RIGHT.

BUT SEVERAL THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR THAT HAVE FROM RETIREMENTS.

AND, UH, WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO, IN THERE, IF THEY WERE JUST MAKING AN OFFER OUT TO SOMEBODY JUST THIS WEEK THAT, UH, TO GET BACK TO THAT FULL STAFF, UM, BECAUSE RETIREMENT JUST LAST WEEK, UM, SO THAT'S, UH, WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE AND HE'S TRACKING ALL OF THAT DATA, UH, FOR THE NUMBER OF CALLS, WHICH AREAS THOSE CALLS GO TO.

UM, CAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, BRINGING IN THREE NEW PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR STATION 25, THEY MAY NEED TO BE AT A DIFFERENT STATION BECAUSE OF WHERE THOSE, THAT CALL VOLUME IS.

SO, UM, MOVING THINGS AROUND TO SEE WHERE, UH, THE PROPER PLACEMENT FOR ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES WOULD BE, UH, IS ALL PART OF THAT STUDY.

THANK YOU.

AND THE QUESTIONS, I GUESS, MR. CAMPBELL.

YES.

UH, ED, WOULD YOU GO IN DETAIL REGARDING YOUR MOTION? IS IT A MOTION? YES, SIR.

AND WHAT'S THE MOTION? THE MOTION IS TO ADD THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC POSITIONS AND THE MONEY CORRESPONDING TO THAT, UH, TO THE 20, 22 BUDGET.

UM, THE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS, I BELIEVE WE WERE AT FULL STAFF, UH, IS THAT 39 FOR FIREFIGHTERS PARAMEDICS.

AND SO THIS WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO THAT LEVEL.

UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ANTICIPATING IN MY MOTION.

SO, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR SPIRE STATION 25, IT'S FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN WHERE THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH CHIEF NICELY DECIDES TO PUT THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, UM, WILL BE CERTAINLY UP TO HIM.

AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE NOTHING LESS.

AND DOES YOUR MOTION INCLUDE THE FUNDING OF 300? YES.

$240,000.

I DID NOT STATE WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM.

A GENERAL FUND IS MINE, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH STAFF COMING BACK AND FINDING A POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND, AND I DID HEAR CHIEF KNISELY TALK ABOUT, UH, THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THE FUNDING, THE LONG-TERM SOURCE, UM, YOU KNOW, $240,000, UM, THREE YEARS, THAT'S STILL LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S NOT A SMALL AMOUNT BY, UH, WE HAVE THAT MONEY AND IF WE BUY DOWN JUST OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND ALONE, UM, IT WOULD TAKE, WELL, 10 YEARS, WE'D BE LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT IS THAT 240,000 TIMES 10.

SO, UM, $2.4 MILLION.

AND THAT'S STILL, UH, SCOTT OVER THE $10 MILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? APPROXIMATELY? YEAH.

SO WE'D STILL HAVE $10 MILLION, IF THAT WAS THE ONLY SOURCE WE HAVE IS STAFF DOESN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE.

AND PERSONALLY, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

AGAIN, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION.

MR. MACDONALD, IS EMOTION A PROPER INSTRUMENT MOVING FORWARD, OR IS THERE A NEED FOR LEGISLATION, AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION? WELL, WE HAVE A, A BUDGET ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US NOW.

AND SO IT'S THE REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE TO AMEND IT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE BY EXACTLY BY EMOTION.

OKAY.

AND, AND HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS REGARDING THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RENEWAL, FOR EXAMPLE, SAFETY RENEWAL? YES.

LIKE WHEN DOES IT EXPIRE? IS THAT 20 24, 20 25? AND, AND IF I REMEMBER IT WAS BROKEN UP INTO TWO ISSUES YES.

UH, ORIGINALLY ISSUE 13 INITIAL 19, BUT THAT WILL CHANGE COMING UP FOR RENEWAL.

YES.

AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH EACH OF THOSE RENEWABLES BRING IN, UM, THE EXACT AMOUNT? NO, I THINK IT'S 1.3 MILLION AND 1.2 MILLION MAYBE, BUT PER YEAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S YEAH, SO MAYBE THERE'S TWO AND A HALF MILLION PER YEAR.

AND I THINK THE ISSUE WAS A 10 YEAR LEVY

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YES.

OKAY.

AND HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF THAT WOULDN'T BE RENEWED? THE THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY? YES.

OKAY.

AND HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS, PARAMEDICS, POLICE OFFICERS WOULD THAT ACCOUNT FOR ANNUALLY? UM, WELL, IF WE TAKE THAT MONEY DIRECTLY FOR THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE QUITE A FEW.

THAT WOULD BE THE THREE ADDITIONAL WE'RE ADDING NOW, PLUS SEVERAL MORE GOING BACK.

UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ITEM, YOU KNOW, CHIEF NICELY WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT MUCH BETTER THAN I WOULD, BUT WE'D HAVE A HARD TIME STAFFING FIRE STATION 20 THROUGH 25 AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK.

AND MR. MCCALSKY, UM, WAS IT STAFFS, UM, PLANS TO HAVE BRIAN AND THE CHIEF WORK ON THAT AND BRING BACK A PROPOSAL THAT REGARDING THE STAFFING? YES, SIR.

THAT WAS THE EXACT PLAN.

AND WOULD THERE BE A FUNDING STREAM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STAFFING? YES.

AT THE TIME AND THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY DONE.

CORRECT.

AND I MAY HEAR, I THINK YOU ASKED HOW SOON COULD MR. CHAD KOSKI BE AVAILABLE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION? DID YOU ASK THAT? WELL, ALONG WITH THE CHIEF THAT I WAS, I WAS MORE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT CHIEF NICELY IN TERMS OF WHAT? UM, SO THE PRESENTATION I REMEMBER THAT THE CHIEF GAVE, UM, WAS HE WASN'T READY TO RECOMMEND OR ASK FOR A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS YET BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE DATA COLLECTED.

SO WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS HOW SOON WOULD CHIEF BE PREPARED? UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH MR. SKALSKI TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE REVENUE STREAMS, TO KNOW WHERE WERE THE FUNDING SOURCES COMING FROM.

SO THOSE TWO WOULD HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

BUT THE QUESTION I ASKED SPECIFIC WAS MORE ABOUT WHEN THE CHIEF WILL BE READY TO HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT DATA FINISHED.

AND, UH, YOUR PROPOSAL IS THREE, THREE ADDITIONAL.

YES, SIR.

HAD YOU CONSIDERED TWO ADDITIONAL OR FOUR ADDITIONAL, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF YOUR BACKGROUND IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A COMPROMISE? UH, I'M ALWAYS, NO, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A COMPROMISE, A MASTERY.

HAD YOU CONSIDERED TO, HAD YOU CONSIDERED FOR? I HAD NOT.

AND WHY THREE, BECAUSE SOME, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WHEN WE ADD ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, WE ALWAYS HIRE IN THREES.

NOW MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, AND AGAIN, I'VE NEVER BEEN A FIREFIGHTER ONE DAY IN MY LIFE, NOT TRAINED BY MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THERE'S A RETIREMENT, THEN THEY'LL HIRE AND FILL BACK THOSE POSITIONS ONE AT A TIME WHENEVER THEY COME.

BUT WHEN THEY DO ADDITIONAL HIRING, THE LAST TIME WE HIRED, UH, ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, WE INCREASED, UH, WE HIRED THREE, TWO WE'RE IN 2018, AND THEN WE BROUGHT ONE IN, IN 2019, BUT IT WAS KIND OF, I THINK IT WAS PASSED IN LATER IN THE YEAR AND THEN EARLY, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO THEY WERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE CASE.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF IS CURRENTLY RECOMMENDING? YES.

UM, TWICE NOW.

AND I'VE HEARD THIRD TIME TONIGHT BY STAFF? NO ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE BUDGET TO US.

YES.

THANK YOU.

BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE JERRY OR SCOTT.

UM, SINCE WE'RE TALKING, THIS IS A BUDGETARY ITEM HERE, UM, WOULD THAT MR. LYONS PROPOSAL DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST A LOT THAT FUNDING IN THE BUDGET? UM, UH, THIS WOULDN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE NOR CHARTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WOULD IT, I MEAN, WOULDN'T REALLY, TRULY AUTHORIZE ADDITIONAL, UH, FIREFIGHTERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WOULD IT, IT WOULD JUST BE A FUNDING MECHANISM.

OKAY.

FOR, FOR THIS LEGISLATION, THAT'S CORRECT.

AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

I KNOW MISS KNISELY WAS GOING TO BRING FORWARD THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, UM, FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

BUT, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT IN THE BUDGET NUMBER OF PERSONNEL.

THIS WOULD JUST BE ALLOTTING BY MR. LYONS, UH, MOTION, UH, $240,000 FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE PERSONNEL LINE ITEM.

RIGHT.

SCOTT, WHAT I KNOW WE HAD SOME CONFUSION.

SO I THINK I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION.

I DON'T THINK I DREAMT IT, BUT DIDN'T, WE HAVE SOME CONFUSION AND DISCUSSION AROUND HOW WE APPROPRIATE POSITIONS IN THE ORG CHART VERSUS THE, VERSUS THE FUNDING.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS A CONVERSATION AROUND, AROUND WHEN ROB WAS GETTING ROBBED, WAS FRUSTRATED AT THAT, ABOUT HOW WE DID THAT, BECAUSE THAT ORG CHART WASN'T ALWAYS REPRESENTED

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AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE HAD A DISCUSSION OR WE TALKED ABOUT NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE, WHERE IF WE WERE GONNA INCREASE THE ORG CHART, WE WERE GOING TO FUND IT AND GET THOSE POSITIONS OR VICE VERSA.