[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road October 26, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
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I CALLED A MEETING IN THE CITY.
HE WRITES PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFFREY'S MISS UP HERE.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE? NEXT IS A SUBSTANCE COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, TWO ITEMS NOT PERTAINING TO THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
NEXT IS SWEARING A WITNESSES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO RAISE, ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND RESPOND.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING AT THE TIME TO COME UP AND SPEAK, UH, TO GIVE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED PENDING BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THUR IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1.0 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 61 19 BRANDT PIKE FOR DOGTOWN ZONING CASE 21 DASH 37.
THE FIRST CASE AS WAS MENTIONED IS ACTUALLY A BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR DOGTOWN, WHICH IS, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE, UH, BASICALLY THE MARION MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER THAT THE CITY PURCHASED AS A, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WENT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR A RIGHT ABOUT ONE ACRE, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DOG DAYCARE FACILITY.
UH, CURRENTLY THE, UH, DOGTOWN HAS PURCHASED THE BUSINESS THAT, UH, HAS, UM, IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND MARION MEADOWS.
UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY DIRECTLY A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THAT CURRENT FACILITY, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE MODERN AND, UH, UP TO DATE THAN WHAT THE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER IS.
SO THE PROJECT ITSELF IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED FOR A ONE ACRE PARCEL AT 61 19 BRAND PIKE.
AND SO THAT THIS AREA IS A AS PART OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR MIXED USE B TOWN CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF IS WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF.
THERE IS ACCESS THAT COMES DOWN OFF OF BRAND PIKE INTO THIS FACILITY.
UM, CURRENTLY, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE IT'S WHERE, UH, WE'LL CALL IT.
THE L-SHAPED BUILDING IS THAT BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS BEING DEMOLISHED HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND SO THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THERE'LL BE A NEW, UH, BUILDING WITH PARKING LOCATED, UH, SANITARY AND WATER IS THAT THE SITE CURRENTLY THAT THEY WILL CONNECT THEIR SERVICES TO, AND THERE ARE EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENTS THAT GETS THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER OUT TO, UH, BRAND PIKE.
AND THEN ALSO DOWN TO FITCHBURG ROAD, THE, UH, SITE ITSELF THERE'S 21 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED WITH TWO OF THOSE BEING ADA ACCESSIBLE, AND THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES, WHICH MATCHES THE CITY'S ZONING CODE.
THERE'S A DROP-OFF AREA LOCATED AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS PART OF A DAYCARE FACILITY.
UM, THIS, UH, UH, LIGHTING ITSELF WOULD FOLLOW THE STANDARD CITY CODE AND LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED ON ALL DRIVE AND PARKING ISLANDS AND AROUND THE MONUMENT SIGN, THE BUILDING ITSELF, AS I MENTIONED, A TWO STORY BUILDING.
UM, AND SO YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN ACCESS POINT THAT FACES NORTH, UH, ON THE SITE AND IT IS MADE OF BRICK
SO THREE DIFFERENT MASONRY MATERIALS THAT A PLUS A LOT OF GLASS SO LONG THAT, UH, THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE, UH, FOR, UH, SOME, UH, NATURAL LIGHTING, THE PLANS FOR TWO STORIES, TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS 27 FEET AT THE LOBBY AND 24 FEET THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
THERE ARE TWO OUTDOOR AREAS PROPOSED FOR DOG USE.
UH, THEY ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAN THE CURRENT
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DOG DAYCARE AREA, WHICH HAS AN OUTDOOR AREA BEHIND THE BUILDING ITSELF.SO, UM, THIS IS NOW PULLING IT CLOSER TO BRANT PIKE.
UM, THESE AREAS ARE SURROUNDED BY SIX FOOT TALL POWDER COATED PICKET FENCE, AND THEN THERE'S A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, UH, PROPOSED AT THE SITE THAT, UH, SHALL HAVE MASONRY WALLS WHERE THEY GATE THE REQUEST IS FOR A 10 FOOT HIGH MONUMENT SIGN.
UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND BROUGHT DOWN TO THE CITY STANDARD OF SIX FEET TALL.
UM, ONE WALL SIGN IS PROPOSED, WHICH STAFF RECOMMENDS TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 75 SQUARE FOOT IN AREA.
SO ON THE PICTURE THERE ON THE TOP OF THAT, SO WHICH 75 SQUARE FEET CAN EASILY FIT IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS A, THE NEXT STEP IN THE, OF THE MARION MEADOW SHOPPING CENTER.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT DID GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS, UH, TO BUILD THIS, THIS WILL BE LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDING THAT SO REMAINING THAT HAS THE FRONT EDGE THAT HAS, UH, UH, THE, THE CLOTHING STORES, ALL OF THAT IN THERE.
SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, MR. JEFFERS ON THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, SINCE IT'S KIND OF DOWNHILL IN THE PLAZA, SIX FOOT HEIGHT GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE ON THE ROAD COMING IN.
I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY IF WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT A CITY ROAD, THAT'S CURRENTLY A PRIVATE ROAD, ISN'T IT? THAT COMES IN FROM THE SIDE.
SO IF WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT, TRYING TO BACK UP, UH, SO THE, THE, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE QUESTION IS SIX FOOT HIGH ENOUGH TO ENCLOSE THE SELVES.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A GREAT CHANGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN INTO IT.
UM, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO THIS AREA.
THERE'S THE ONE THAT COMES OFF OF BRAND PIKE AND THEN OFF OF FITCHBURG ROAD.
SO FITCHBURG ROAD, THERE IS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POTENTIALLY MAKING THAT A PUBLIC ROAD AT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT THERE IS ACCESS EASEMENT RIGHT NOW, X AND THERE IS LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT AREA AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, YES.
UM, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY FOSTER.
UM, DO YOU NEED AN ADDRESS OR ANYTHING? SO I WORKED FOR IDE AND ENGINEER, UH, WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND WITH TED HANSON ARCHITECT.
I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF FOR A WHILE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND PARKING AND EVERYTHING THAT SATISFIES THEM.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UH, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE I CAN ADD TO THE PRESENTATION THAT MR. FALKOWSKI ALL I WOULD MENTION IS THAT THE CITY RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE SIGNAGE HEIGHT AND OTHER THINGS WE'RE OKAY.
AND CAN AGREE TO THOSE TERMS THAT WERE PUT IN THE RESOLUTION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNER BASE? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANYONE ELSE? EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT AND MEGAN PREY FOR A BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 61 19 BRANT PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 37 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO WAS BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS OFF, SECRETARY YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE NEXT STEPH, THIS DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, WE'LL SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT WHEN THAT MEETING WILL BE, THERE'LL BE A WORK SESSION A WEEK BEFORE THAT,
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BUT THEN A CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.VERY PRETTY BUILDING NEXT ITEM.
AS A REZONING, THE APPLICANT DANIEL GREEN IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING TO PLAY IN RESIDENTIAL FOR 3.3445 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 42 70 MURDOCK AVENUE, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 40.
UH, 42 70 MURDOCH AVENUE
SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN, HAD RESIDENTIAL USES FOR AWHILE.
AND, UM, THE, THE PROPERTIES, UH, IN THIS, ON THE ONE SIDE HAVE BEEN SEWN FOR BUSINESS.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE USE MATCHES OUR ZONING CODE.
THE NEXT CASE GOES ALONG WITH THIS, THESE PROPERTIES AS WELL.
UH, THERE ARE, UH, FIVE LOTS THAT, UH, THIS ENCOMPASSES AND, UH, THE BUILDING GOES ACROSS.
WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE BUILDINGS GO ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO COMBINE ALL THOSE LOTS INTO ONE.
SO THIS REQUEST IS TO, UH, UH, REZONE IT TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
THE IDEA ABOUT PLANNED RESIDENTIAL IS SO THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHERE IT IS, WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE, IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, SO IF IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WANTED TO, UH, BUILD A, TEAR IT DOWN, BUILD SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
SO, BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO USE AS A RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND, UH, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ZONING CODE MATCHES THE USE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. FARGO, SINCE THE, UH, IT'S ALL IN ONE LOT, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO SELL EACH HOUSE INDIVIDUALLY IF THEY DESIRED? SO, UH, THERE ARE FIVE LOTS THAT WILL BE COMBINED INTO ONE, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST ONE HOUSE.
THE, THE FIVE LOTS ARE VERY SMALL.
THERE'LL BE COMBINED INTO ONE JUST FOR THE ONE HOUSE.
SO AFTERWARDS, IF THEY WANT TO SELL, IT'S JUST ONE, NOT MULTIPLE HOUSES.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER SPLIT THERE.
THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE NOW I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF THEY WANT TO SELL ONE HOUSE, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A LOT? SPLIT, SPLIT THAT ONE HOUSE OFF OF THIS ONE LOT.
THERE IS ONLY ONE HOUSE THAT, OH, WE'RE ONLY TAKING, WE'RE ONLY DOING THE ONE ON THE END.
NOT ALL THE REST OF THE CORRECT.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE ONE HOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND UP TO THE PUBLIC? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, DANIEL GREEN FOR A REZONING FROM B ONE COMMERCIAL TO PR PLAY IN RESIDENTIAL 4.3445 ACRES LOCATED AT 42 70 MURDOCH AVENUE, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 40 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION MADE BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. MR. VARGO.
NEXT UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A LOT SPLIT.
DANIEL GREEN IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A LOTS OF BLOOD OF 0.3, 4, 4, 5 ACRES ZONING CASE 21 DASH 39, MR. DUCK HOUSE.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS IS TAKING THOSE FIVE LOTS, COMBINING THEM INTO ONE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT CAN BE RECORDED WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITORS DEPARTMENTS.
UH, SO THAT, UH, IT ALSO IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE AND A BUILDING CODE OF NOT HAVING A BUILDING GOING ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
UH, SO THE ONLY OTHER CONDITION, UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE DECISION RECORD IS THE LOCK COMBINATION SHALL
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BE RECORDED WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY WITH DOCUMENTS PREPARED BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SHOW OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY DANIEL GREEN FOR APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT OF 0.3, 4, 4, 5 ACRES AT 42 70 MURDOCH AVENUE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 39 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO IT TOO.
MOVED BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT DARREN SCHMIDT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 19.1 ACRES FOR AN AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 78 60 BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 36.
YOU MENTIONED THE REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING OF PROPERTY AT 78 60 BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BELFAST WHEN IN
SO IT HAS A FRONTAGE ON BELFAST ONE, AND THE LENGTH OF IT IS JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UH, THE
UH, SO THE REQUEST IS, UH, FOR A REZONING TO A, UH, A, UH, PLANNED, UH, COMMERCIAL USE FOR, UH, PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT FACILITY ITSELF.
SO THE ACCESS POINTS WOULD COME OFF OF BELT FOUNTAIN ROAD, WHERE THE EXISTING ACCESS IS, UM, AND THEN HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT AND THEN AREA IN THE BACK FOR PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT USES THE GO FORWARDLY, UH, THAT THE SITE ITSELF, UH, IS, UH, HAS WOODED AREAS ON THE EXTERIOR.
AND THERE IS A, UH, A CREEK THAT RUNS, UH, THAT COMES ACROSS BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD THAT RUNS ALONG KIND OF THAT, UH, SOUTH SIDE.
AND THEN, UH, GOES ON DOWN, UH, THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY DOWN ALONG THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ITSELF.
SO WITH THE REQUEST THERE'S 19.1 ACRES, UH, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA CALLS THIS AREA TO BE AGRICULTURAL OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THIS REQUEST IS A COMMERCIAL USE.
UH, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SANITARY AND WATER CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE AT THIS SITES.
UH, THE CITY FACILITIES HAVE NOT GROWN INTO THIS AREA.
UM, THERE WERE NO DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS SUBMITTED.
SO, UM, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, THEN FOLLOW THE STANDARDS FOR WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, OF OPPOSITION FROM SOME NEIGHBORS.
AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS ABOUT DRAINAGE, UM, AND ALSO ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF THE, THE, THE PAINT BALLS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ABOUT HOW THAT COULD GET DOWN INTO THE WATERWAYS.
UM, BUT THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, UH, AS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE AREAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT ANY BUILDING FOLLOW THE STANDARD COMMERCIAL DESIGN CODE, UM, OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE.
AND ALSO THE ENTRANCE SHALL BE UPGRADED TO CITY STANDARD CONCRETE DRIVE APRON FOR COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, PARKING AND LOADING SHALL ALSO FOLLOW CITY STANDARDS AS WELL, AND INCLUDING MATERIALS.
SO A HARD SURFACE, UM, AND, UH, PARKING SPACES THAT ARE STRIPES, THE TEMP BY 18, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS, UH, 15 FEET ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN PROPERTY LINES.
AND, UH, THE PARKING AND LOADING FILLS FACILITIES SHALL BE LOCATED DISTANCE OF AT LEAST 25 FEET FROM THE ESTABLISHED RIGHT OF WAY LINE AND THE BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES AT LEAST 75 FEET FROM THE ESTABLISHED RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE.
UH, THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FROM THE BACK AREA, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 780 FEET AWAY IN THE FRONT.
THERE IS A HOUSE THAT'S ABOUT 150 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT FRONTS OUT ON BELL FOUNTAIN ITSELF.
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SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE, UH, IN SOME LETTERS ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL NOISE, UM, AND CROCE WENT ON TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UM, DRAINAGE, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.SO, UM, THIS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE REQUESTS FOR THE REZONING.
THIS WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE'D BE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. MARGO, MR. PAUL, I TOO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PAINTBALL BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S IN THIS PAINT THAT THEY SHOOT OFF.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT SHOOTS.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE WILL KNOW BECAUSE DRY LAKE RUN IS A CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH OUR ENTIRE CITY AND WE CANNOT HAVE THAT CONTAMINATED, UH, IF WE CAN HELP IT.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A PRUDENT THING FOR US TO, FIRST OF ALL, FIND OUT WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MAKEUP OF THE PAINT BALLS AND ARE THEY GOING TO BE GOING TOWARDS THE CREEK AT ALL? OR I DON'T KNOW THE LAYOUT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE THINGS.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION WE DON'T HAVE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT FOR THAT CAN GIVE, UH, WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THAT IS.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR CLEAN UP.
UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE IS ANY OR MAYBE AN ORANGE THAT THEY JUST LEAVE THEM ON SITE AFTERWARDS, DO THEY BIODEGRADE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES ON? I AGREE WITH, WITH JANE ON THE POSSIBLE CHEMICAL RUNOFF, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO TELL YOU, BUT IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT IT SEEMS OF A REAL CONCERN TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN OF CHEMICAL RUNOFF INTO THE WATERWAY, BUT BECAUSE OF HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO ACTUALLY
UM, BUT THE APPLICA CAN ANSWER MAYBE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHICH AREAS ARE EXACTLY WHAT, HOW FAR AWAY AND WHAT THE TYPICAL DISTANCE IS FOR A SHOT, BUT, UM, NAB ON THAT SITE THAT HAS A PAINTBALL GUN COULD BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND SHOOT TOWARDS, I SENT ME.
I MEAN, SHOOTING TOWARDS IT'S ONE THING, BUT ABLE TO REACH IT.
IT'S A BIG DEAL, RIGHT? WELL, I CAN KIND OF SPEAK ON THE BIODEGRADABLE.
MY SON, WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER, HAD AN AIR, SOME FRIENDS WITH THEY'RE SOFT AND I'M STILL, NOW MY SON'S A LOT OLDER AND OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND I'M STILL DIGGING THE AIRSOFT BULLETS OUT OF MY FLOWER BEDS.
AND THEY ARE STILL IN THE FORM THAT THEY WERE WHEN YOU KNOW, THE SAME BALL.
SO THEY DON'T DO, THEY ARE NOT QUICKLY BIODEGRADABLE.
THEY DO STICK AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
MS. HOP, UH, ONE THING THAT I'VE, UM, IN RESEARCHING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS THE, UH, THE PAINT IS ACTUALLY IN, UH, IN SOME SORT OF A GELATIN CAPSULE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS HARMFUL TO ANIMALS, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE ONE, I'M SORRY, MR. JEFF AND I, THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, SCOTT, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE ENCROACHMENT CONCERNS, CAUSE THAT'S IN A COUPLE OF THESE LETTERS, GIVEN THAT IT'S A MORE OF A RURAL OR COUNTRY SETTING, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO IF THEY DID MOVE FORWARD ALONG WITH THE BUILDINGS TO REQUIRE SOME KIND OF A FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER? SO THAT THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION SINCE THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE THERE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR INTO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE THIS COURSE WOULD GO.
WE CAN'T SEE THAT BY THE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS MIGHT KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS, BUT VISITORS, I COULD SEE WANDERING INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS MOMENT? WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT?
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MY NAME IS DARREN SCHMIDT, THE CEO OF G2 TACTICAL LLC.UM, SO, UH, MOST OF YOUR CONCERNS SEEM TO BE WITH THE CHEMICAL MAKEUP OF THE PAINTBALL ITSELF.
AND I'VE GOT THE STS MATERIAL SHEET FROM BELK AND IT SAYS IT'S, NON-TOXIC, UM, THERE'S LIKE A 41% VOLUME IN THERE THAT SAYS IT'S PROPRIETARY CHEMICAL STUFF, WHICH I DON'T KNOW.
CAUSE THEY WILL NOT DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT ALSO I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED SOME OUT OF BEING DANGEROUS TO ANIMALS THAT'S IF YOU INGEST LIKE 10 FULL BALLS, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES IS IT CREATES, UM, DEHYDRATION WITHIN THE BODY.
UM, SO YOU HAD TO SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION NOW THAT'S NOT REALLY CAPABLE.
NO ONE'S PET SHOULD BE ROMAN ON OUR PROPERTY ANYWAYS.
AND UH, SOME OF YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, STUFF GOING INTO LIKE
WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP A FENCE LINE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S CALLED IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT MESH NETTING THAT PREVENTS ANY PAINT BALLS, ANY BEEBEES TO GO THERE.
WE DO HAVE NOWADAYS BIODEGRADABLE BABIES THAT WE USE AND WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THEM AND WE SELL THEM IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE NOW BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, THERE'S BEEN A SUPPLY SHORTAGE AND STUFF.
SO WE GET WHAT WE CAN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME OUT AND PLAY.
UM, BUT WE'RE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AS WELL.
AND WE WILL PREFERENCE BIO OVER NON BIO ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
AND I THINK I MAY HAVE TOUCHED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ON THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU HAVE TO INGEST 10 FOR IT TO BE, SO WHAT ABOUT THE WILDLIFE THAT CAN GET INTO THAT FENCING THAT INGESTS THAT BY EATING OFF THE GRASS? BECAUSE YES, HUMANS, AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENCROACH YOUR PROPERTY, BUT WHAT'S TO SAY THE WILDLIFE OR THE BIRDS, OR WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THE ENVIRONMENT THEN IN THE, WELL, I CAN'T PREDICT HOW MANY BALLS OR PAINT THE LICK OFF THE GROUND JUST SAYING.
UM, BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE COMPLICATIONS FOR THEM, BUT THEN NO AIR SOFT FIELD REPAYABLE FIELD SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE OPENED IF THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE WE CAN NOT GUARANTEE THAT NO WILDLIFE IS GOING TO COME ON THERE, BUT IT WILL BE SURROUNDED HEAVILY IN NETTING WHERE THERE IS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT, SO THAT ANIMAL WOULD HAVE TO GET IN THERE AND FIND ITS WAY BACK OUT.
UM, AND I FIND THAT FAIRLY UNLIKELY, UM, AT LEAST A, A LAND ANIMAL, MAYBE A BIRD WOULD COME IN THERE, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, I'VE NEVER TAPED TESTED IT MYSELF, BUT IT DOES NOT TASTE GREAT.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT IF THEY DID GET A SAMPLE OF IT, THEY WOULD GO NOW I'M OUT OF HERE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MOSOP YOU TALK ABOUT THIS NETTING FENCE TYPE THING? HOW TALL IS THAT? UH, YOU CAN GET THEM IN LIKE EIGHT UP TO LIKE 27 FEET TALL.
UH, WE WERE PLANNING ON EIGHT FEET CAUSE HIGHLAND LIKELY ANYBODY SHOULD BE SHOOTING UP THAT HIGH ANYWAYS, BECAUSE YOU'RE USUALLY AIMED LIKE FOR A HEAD ON DOWN AND RARELY EVER.
DOES ANYTHING EVER GO OVER EIGHT FEET? WHAT ABOUT THE VISUAL? UM, IT'S NOT, UNPLEASING, IT'S JUST A BLACK MESH NET.
UM, IT'S SURROUNDED BY WILDLIFE, ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ANYWAYS.
SO YOU WON'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE PLAN THAT I SUBMITTED, MAYBE.
SO YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS IN BIG IT'S AIRSOFT TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE STAGING AREA, WHERE EVERYBODY WILL BE SAFE AND SECURE BEHIND A NET.
AND UNTIL THE LEFT OF THAT, EVEN WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE LONGER THICKER LINE THAT IS ACTUALLY A ROW OF TREES.
AND WE SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO PUT THAT THERE BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT IT TO BE AN EYESORE TO PEOPLE AS THEY'RE TRAVELING BY OR WHEN THEY'RE COMING OUT TO THE PARK.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, CAMPING OR GRILLING OUT OR ENJOYING THE OUTDOOR MOVIE THEATER THAT WE HOPE TO ONE DAY OPEN UP THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAUSE ALSO I NOTICED IN SOME OF THE STUFF HERE, THEY MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUES AND STUFF.
WELL, WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH US ADDING MORE VEGETATION TO THE AREA, THE TREES, THE FLOWERS, ALL THAT STUFF WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE THE OF THEIR CAUSE.
WE TAKE VERY GREAT PRIDE IN WHAT WE DO.
AND IF YOU CHECK US OUT ON, UH, WHETHER IT'S YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, ET CETERA, WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE AND WE MAKE THINGS THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
SO THIS MESH DOES NOT, IS NOT GOING TO BE GOING AROUND THAT WHOLE SELF SQUARE THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE.
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NO, WE WERE PLANNING JUST AROUND THE ACTUAL PAINTBALL FIELD ITSELF SO THAT THE AIR SOFTWARES DON'T HIT THE PAIN, BALLERS AND PAIN BALLERS.DON'T HIT THE AIR SOFTWARES AND ALONG THE HIGH 70 ROOM.
SO WHERE IT SAYS AIR SOFT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOWN THERE ONLY THE AIR SOFTERS WILL BE OKAY.
IT'S TECHNICALLY THREE DIFFERENT FIELDS IN ONE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
NOW, COULD YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN TO US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AIRSOFT, THE PAINTBALL AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU MIGHT HAVE GOING ON THAT FACILITY? WELL, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT.
I MEAN, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A PAINT BALL EVENT AND AN AIRSOFT EVENT.
UH, I MEAN THERE WHAT AIRSOFT DANCE, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS.
SO, UM, AIRSOFT HAS A SENSE, IT'S JUST THE SAME THING AS PAINTBALL, EXCEPT YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT STYLE WEAPONS THAT, OR I SHOULD SAY MARKERS OR GUNS, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LABEL IT.
THEY USE A LITTLE HARD PLASTIC PELLETS THAT ARE SIX MILLIMETER IN DIAMETER AND THEY CAN RANGE FROM WAY FROM 0.2 UP TO SOMEONE LIKE FOUR TO SIX I'VE HEARD OF AND SEEN.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF POWER BEHIND THEM.
WE REGULATE THE JUUL RATING, WHICH IS THE KINETIC ENERGY BEHIND THE ACTUAL PROJECTILE ITSELF.
WE WILL REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO WEAR A PROPER GEAR AND SAFETY EQUIPMENT.
AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT REALLY THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT ONE WILL COVER YOU IN PAINT AND THE OTHER ONE WILL NOT.
UH, SO IT'S THE NON BIO IS, UH, SOME FORM OF PLASTIC.
WE HIGHLY DISCOURAGE THOSE AT OUR FIELDS AND OUR EVENTS.
ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH, THE OTHER ONE IS BIODEGRADABLE.
IT'S MADE OUT OF SOME PLANT MATERIAL.
UM, AND FROM WHAT I READ WITH SOME OF THEM THAT WE BUY, IT ONLY TAKES THREE, THREE MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS FOR THE NATURALLY BIODEGRADE OUT IN, OUT IN THE OPEN.
WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE OF THE GUNS? I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE HIGHWAY ITSELF POLLUTES THE AIR MORE THAN OUR NOISE AND OUR GUNS WITH THEM AND WITH ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND TOO.
I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN HEAR IT.
THAT'S HOW CONFIDENT I AM IN IT.
SO IF YOU WERE TO YOU HAVE AN EVENT GOING, I MEAN, WHAT I'M ASSUMING IF ABLE, YOU'D BE HAPPY TO RUN ALL THREE COURSES AT THE SAME TIME TO REVENUE ALL RUNNING THE SAME TIME.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD THAT CONSIST OF ON, ON AN ID? I DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T DO PAINTBALL RIGHT NOW, REALLY, SO WE DON'T HARDLY EVER GET ANYBODY FOR THAT, BUT WE GET ON AVERAGE FROM 50 TO 80 PEOPLE AND EVENT, UH, FOR AIRSOFT.
UM, SOME OF US VETS, WE IT'S THERAPEUTIC FOR US.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S AT, BUT, UH, DENNIS SORO, HE ACTUALLY GOT PRESCRIBED AIRSOFT BY HIS THERAPIST.
SO IT'S GOOD FOR ALL OF US IN SOME WAY OR FASHION.
SO DURING PEAK TIMES A HUNDRED TO 150? UM, NO, PROBABLY AT MOST AT PEAK WOULD BE 80 SOMETHING ON AVERAGE.
SO THEY SAID 50 TO 80 ON JUST AN AIRSOFT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU HAD PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT, I DIDN'T HAVE MANY WITH PAINTBALL AD THEN NOT AS MANY AS SOUNDS LIKE THE, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD TO BREAK INTO THAT MARKET BECAUSE, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S AS MANY PEOPLE DOING IT.
UM, THAT'S JUST, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY OPENED UP OUR FIELD TO DOING IT UNTIL LIKE THIS PAST MONTH.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A COUPLE, IT'S A QUESTION.
WHERE ARE YOU CURRENTLY OPERATING AND DAYTON AND DAYTON WERE, UM, RIGHT OFF OF, UH, NORTH ORMAN STREET.
UH, IT'S UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO AROUND, UM, HOW I FOR ROUTE FOUR.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT'S SURROUNDING YOU THERE? UM, JUST, UM, A BUNCH OF FACTORY BUILDINGS BASICALLY.
AND THERE'S SOME OPEN AREA TOO.
AND WE'RE, THERE'S, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS.
LET'S TRY TO PICTURE WHERE YOUR FACILITY WAS.
I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS HERE ARE THE PAINT BALLS TOXIC? NO.
AND HOW ABOUT THE PLASTIC? UM, I WOULD ASSUME NOT EITHER.
I DON'T HAVE AN SDS SHEET FOR THOSE.
I SAID THAT THE PLASTIC BALLS ARE NON-BIODEGRADABLE.
YOU DON'T EVER REALLY SEE THEM UNLESS YOU'RE DIGGING UP YOUR FLOWER GARDEN.
HOW LARGE ARE THEY? SIX MILLIMETERS.
UM, AND MY MAIN CONCERN AGAIN IS THAT CREEK
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YEAH.WELL, YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF INSURANCE TO ASSURE THE CITY THAT YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING THAT GOES WRONG IN THAT CREEK.
WILL YOU, IS IT THAT KIND OF INSURANCE REQUIRED AND INSURANCE EXISTS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE CREEK, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
BUT AS FAR AS I'M UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TAKING EVERY PRECAUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN BY USING MATERIALS AND SO FORTH.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T FORESEE THERE BEING ANY WAY WE COULD CAUSE HARM.
I MEAN, IF EVERYTHING'S NON-TOXIC, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF HARM WOULD WE BE CAUSING IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND I GUESS, UM, WHO SAYS IT'S, NON-TOXIC, UH, THE MATERIAL DATA SHEET ITSELF FROM VULCAN THE MANUFACTURER.
AND I COULD SUBMIT THAT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, CAUSE I HAVE IT AT HOME.
UM, HAVE YOU AT YOUR CURRENT FACILITY, HAVE YOU HAD ANY, ANY ENCOUNTERS WITH THE EPA OR ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL COMPANY BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE? NO.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? TH THIS YEAR ONLY BECAUSE WE USED TO HOST THE OTHER FIELDS, LIKE, UH, TIM'S FACILITY OVER AT
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? TERRY? THE GENTLEMAN AT THE DOOR HAS A QUESTION.
OH, IF I DO HAVE ONE, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE CREEK ITSELF.
THE CREEK RUNS ALONG THE FRONT PORTION, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN HEADS TOWARDS THE SOUTH THERE, SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
DOESN'T TOUCH THE CREEK ONLY AT THE FRONT AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY OF THESE KINDS OF THAT'S.
AND I FEEL TO BE HONEST THAT THE FARMER THAT WAS THERE, PUTTING PESTICIDES AND FERTILIZER ON LAND WOULD DO MORE HARM THAN WE WILL.
IT'S JUST THAT WHEN I DROVE OUT THERE, FIRST THING I SAW WAS THE CREEK.
SO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT BEAUTIFUL.
AND I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE, OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING THIS ACTIVITY? SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK, THE BIG, MAIN AREA IS WHERE IT WILL BE AND WE WILL HAVE A WOODLINE THAT CLOSES IT OFF.
SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR US WITH THE APPLICANT YOU MENTIONED? WELL, I MEAN JUST, IS IT NOT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COME TO THE PODIUM TO TALK ABOUT? NAH, THAT'S JUST WAS JUST 1.0, THAT'S THE DENTIST I WAS MENTIONING.
UNDER THE, UH, MESH FENCING THAT GOES AROUND, I'M ASSUMING, LIKE TO ASSUME, LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME KIND OF A MAINTENANCE INSPECTION ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT OVER TIME IT'S NOT DEGRADING AND HAVING HOLES WHERE STUFF CONTINUING TO FLY.
IT'S A, IT'S A FIVE-YEAR FENCE.
UM, FIVE-YEAR NETTING, I SHOULD SAY ACTUALLY.
AND WE DO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO RIPS AND CUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE.
AND THE HOLES IN THE FENCE ARE SMALLER THAN THE SIX MILLIMETERS.
SO IT DOES REALLY WELL AT PREVENTING THEM FROM PENETRATING.
AND THEN ON THE FENCING ITSELF OR THE NETTING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT JUST WHERE IT SHOWS PAINT BALL ON OUR DRAWINGS OR AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, UH, ALONG AT LEAST ALONG DEF.
SO AT LEAST AROUND THE PAINTBALL AREA AND DEFINITELY ALONG WHERE THE HIGH 70 HIGHWAY IS.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PUTTING IT AROUND THE ENTIRE AREA TO HANDLE SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR CONCERNS ABOUT ENCROACHMENT FROM THE PROPERTIES? I WOULD ASSUME THAT PROBABLY WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR 15 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE THOUGH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET THE NETTING AROUND IT, LIKE A LOT OF WOODS AND STUFF, WE HAD TO BUILD, MAINTAIN THAT WOODS AS WELL.
AND IF WE'RE SURROUNDING THE WHOLE THING, THEN THAT'S GOING TO GROW INTO OUR NETTING AND REALLY RUIN IT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE WOODED AREA DOWN THERE, THE BEST AS POSSIBLE.
OH, SOMEONE MENTIONING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO MARK TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY COULD GO AND NOT, UH, WE ACTUALLY USE, UM, LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A ORANGE-ISH PINK TAPE, THEN WE'LL MARK THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES SO THEY KNOW NOT TO CROSS IT.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF SOMEONE BROKE IT OR NOT AND ADDRESS IT.
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I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.HOPEFULLY FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY FOR ALL THE VETS IN THE, IN THE ROOM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, DENNIS, OVER THERE, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION? AND WE ONLY OPERATE ON THE WEEKEND AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF I PUT IN THE REPORT, BUT OUR PRIMARY, UH, DAYS OR THE FIRST AND THIRD WEEKEND OF THE MONTH.
SO WE DON'T OPERATE EVERY WEEKEND EITHER.
UM, AND IT WORKS OUT WELL FOR US BECAUSE WE TOO HAVE FAMILY JOBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE DO THIS ON THE SIDE, UM, AND EVERYBODY SEEMS TO ENJOY IT THAT WAY.
AND UH, OUR TEAM, SOME OF THEM SHOWED UP TODAY, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND THAT WORKS OUT THE BEST.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR DOWNTIME TO DO THEIR OWN PERSONAL STUFF.
SO YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING PAST DARK? UH, NO.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE DO HAVE A NIGHT OFF THAT WE RUN AND IT ONLY RUNS ONE HOUR INTO THE DARK AND THAT'S IT.
WILL YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF BUILDING THERE? YES.
UM, RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS THE GRAVEL PARKING TO THE BOTTOM, RIGHT OF THAT WE WILL HAVE A 100 BY 42 STORY BUILDING EVENTUALLY AS WE GET THE FUNDS FOR IT.
UM, FOR THE TIME BEING, I DID TALK WITH ONE OF THE, I THINK IT WAS DONALD DONALD OR DON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT PUTTING UP SOME TEMPORARY, UM, SHEDS THAT WE COULD OPERATE OUT OF.
CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO HUGE DEBT OVER THIS BECAUSE THEN IT DOES MAKE THE FIELD NOT PROFITABLE.
SO THE MORE WE CAN PAY OUT OF POCKET THE BETTER.
AND THAT WILL BE FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT.
IT WILL BE FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT.
IT'LL BE OUR SHOP OR STORAGE, EVERYTHING.
UM AND UH, SOMEONE MENTIONED SOME ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UM, I WAS TOLD BY THE ENGINEER, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO YOU'D HAVE AS THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE CITY ENGINEER LOOKED AT THIS AND UM, SAID THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD NOT BE NEEDED THAT, UH, PROVEMENT TO BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED WITH THIS, BUT WE WOULD REQUIRE THE ENTRANCE TO MEET A COMMERCIAL STANDARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ONE MORE, ONE MORE.
UH, SO WITH, WITH HOW I WAS TELLING YOU, HUH? WELL, IT BE A, WELL, THERE'LL BE A WILL.
AND IT WILL BE TREATED AND WE FILTERED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE WE MENTIONED TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AS WELL.
UH, WE'LL BE ACTUALLY USING THE SAME DRINKING FOUNTAINS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SO THEY CAN FILL UP THEIR BOTTLES INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF BOTTLED WATER AND THROWING ALL THE PLASTIC.
YOU'LL HAVE A BATHROOM SEPTIC SYSTEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? UH, MY NAME IS RICHMOND WARD.
SO I PROVIDED A LETTER TO, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE RECEIVED A PROVIDED THIS MORNING.
I WAS GOING TO READ IT AND IF THAT'S OKAY.
THE BACK PORTION OF MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY.
UH, WE LIVE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO IT'S KIND OF OFF TOWARDS WHERE THE F AND THE TR MY HOUSE OR PROPERTY BUTTS UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THAT.
WE LIVED AT THIS PROPERTY FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, RAISING OUR FOUR CHILDREN WITH TWO OF THEM STILL IN SCHOOL.
WE MOVED TO THIS PROPERTY FROM INNER HUBER HEIGHTS FOR THE PRIESTS, PEACE, PRIVACY AND NATURAL SURROUNDINGS.
QUITE FRANKLY, IF THE PROPOSED FACILITY HAD BEEN IN PLACE, WHEN WE WERE HOUSE HUNTING, WE'D NEVER WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPOSED ACTION COUNT.
YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HIT ON MANY OF THEM, UH, SAFETY OF CHILDREN.
NUMBER ONE, I HAVE A SON WHO FREQUENTLY HAS FRIENDS OVER AND THEY LIKE TO HIKE IN OUR BACKWOODS.
I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THEM HIKE BACK THERE ANYMORE AS THEY WOULD BE DIRECTLY NEXT TO INDIVIDUALS RUNNING AROUND WITH PAINTBALL ON HERSELF GUNS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NO KIND OF NETTING OR FENCING OR ANYTHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO OUR PROPERTY.
I ALSO WORRY THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL NOT BE SCREENED FOR BEING CHILD PREDATORS.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS DOCUMENTED INSTANCES OF PAINTBALL FACILITIES BEING NUISANCES WHEN THEY ARE LOCATED IN THEIR VOTES.
NUMBER TWO SAFETY OF OTHERS, MY NEIGHBORS AND I FREQUENTLY WALKED THROUGH THE PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED FACILITY.
NONE OF US WANT TO BE DODGING AARON PAINTBALL OR AIRSOFT BEBE'S OR BEING FORCED TO WEAR
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PROTECTIVE GEAR AS WE WALK AROUND OUR PROPERTY.AND WHAT ABOUT THE
IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT AEROSOL BEBE'S COULD, AS THEY CAN SHOOT UP TO 300 FEET OR MORE NUMBER THREE TRESPASSING.
THERE ARE NO NATURAL BOUNDARIES IN THAT AREA.
SO INDIVIDUALS WILL BE FREE TO ROAM ONTO OTHERS PROPERTIES.
WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM EXTENDING THEIR GAME ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
AND EVEN TOWARDS OUR HOUSES, THE TAPE LINE COULD EASILY BE GONE UNDER THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ANYBODY.
THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES PRODUCE A LOT OF TRASH, INCLUDING THE PAINTBALL CAPSULES, AIRSOFT, BBS BATTERIES, AND OTHER MATERIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE GAME.
THE PARTICIPANTS CAN ALSO LEAVE BEHIND OTHER TRASH.
I DON'T WANT THAT ON MY PROPERTY.
NUMBER FIVE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ACCORDING TO PAINTBALL USA.ORG, THE PAINT, THIS IS A QUOTE.
THE PAINTBALL IS MADE OF A BIODEGRADABLE GELATIN THAT WILL DISSOLVE WITH TIME.
HOWEVER, THE PAINT INSIDE OF THE PAINTBALL CAN AT TIMES BE QUESTIONABLE, CHEAPER PAINT BALLS OR SECONDS SOMETIMES USE AN OIL BASE, FILL THIS OIL CAN DAMAGE THE ENVIRONMENT, NOT TO MENTION TO ANY ANIMAL THAT MIGHT FIND A FEW DROP PAINT BALLS ON THE GROUND.
SO I WAS ENCOURAGED THAT PEOPLE USE BIODEGRADABLE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED.
IN ADDITION TO PAINTBALL HAS MADE A FOOD GRADE MATERIALS, WHICH IS EXCELLENT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT ACCIDENT ACCIDENTALLY GET SOME PAINT IN THEIR MOUTH.
HOWEVER, IT IS EXTREMELY TOXIC TO BOTH CATS AND DOGS.
IF IT IS LETHAL TO THOSE ANIMALS, IT IS HIGHLY LIKELY TO BE LETHAL TO OTHER ANIMALS AS WELL.
AGAIN, THIS IS FROM PAYPAL USA.ORG, ACCORDING TO ANOTHER WEBSITE ABOUT AIRSOFT, UM, FROM BACH BIO.COM PROMOTIONAL SITE, A TRADITIONAL PLASTIC BB CAN TAKE YEARS TO FULLY DECOMPOSE WHAT SOME STUDIES SHOWING THAT TRES MATERIALS WERE STILL FOUND AFTER SEVEN YEARS, THESE PELLETS CAN LEAK TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AS THEY DEGRADE AND WILL CAUSE LANDFILL POLLUTION.
DURING THIS PROCESS, ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA AND UBER UBUNTU, MANUAL.ORG, THESE NON-BIODEGRADABLE PLASTICS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT HAVE THE MINERAL OR PETROLEUM BASED CENTER WHEN USED ON THE ENVIRONMENT, THEY COULD LAST FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES.
THESE PLASTICS ENDED UP MAKING THE SOIL INFERTILE AND AS A RESULT AFFECT PLANT GROWTH DUE TO THEIR SMALLER SIZES AND DURABILITY, THEY'RE BOUND TO BE PICKED UP BY KIDS OR ANIMALS AND CONSUMED LEADING TO COMPLICATIONS.
THEN THEY ALSO BE CARRIED AWAY BY RAIN AND BE ACCUMULATED IN DRAINAGE, CHOKE POINTS AND LARGE WATER BODIES THAT CAN BE EATEN BY MARINE LIFE AND LEAD TO COMPLICATIONS.
AND IN SEVERE CASES, LEAD TO DEATH.
SEVERAL COUNTRIES AND STATES HAVE BANNED AIRSOFT GUNS DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
EVERYONE IN THIS AREA HAS WELLS.
AND AS BEEN MENTIONED, DRY LAKE RUN CREEK FLOWS THROUGH THE AREA I'M TOLD IS A CONTROLLED AND NAVIGABLE WATERWAY BY THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO TRIED TO BUILD A BRIDGE OVER IT, HAD TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACCORDING TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER SPECS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL DRAINAGE LINES FROM THAT FIELD DOWN TOWARDS OUR HOUSES IN DRY LAKE RUN CREEK.
AND, AND THAT AREA IS PRONE TO FLOODING.
INCREASING THE CHANCES THAT TOXIC MATERIAL WILL FLOW TO OUR PROPERTIES AND DOWNSTREAM INTO DRY LAKE RUN CREEK.
THERE IS CLEAR DANGER FOR THE FISH TURTLES AND AMPHIBIANS IN THE AREA.
THERE IS ALSO DANGEROUS OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE AREA, INCLUDING DEER, FOX, BEAVER, AND OTHERS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY'RE A DANGER TO OUR PETS.
I DON'T WANT THAT TOXIC WASTE ANYWHERE NEAR MY TWO DOGS.
WE ARE BLESSED TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING QUIET RURAL ARROWS AREAS.
IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS, WE ABLE TO HIKE FISH HUNT AND DO MANY OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARDS, THIS FACILITY WOULD DRASTICALLY REDUCE.
AND IN MANY CASES ELIMINATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
IN MY CASE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE TO REFOREST THE LAND, TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING FOR OUTDOOR ENJOYMENT AND WILDLIFE.
I REMOVED OVER FOUR ACRES OF HONEYSUCKLE AND PLANTED OVER 700 TREES, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING THE QUALITY AND VALUE OF MY PROPERTY.
MUCH OF THE VALUE OF THAT WORK WILL BE COMPROMISED BY THIS FACILITY.
WE LIVE IN A VERY PEACEFUL AREA.
THE ONLY NOISE WE CAN HEAR ON OUR PROPERTY IS THE LOW HUM OF TRAFFIC ON
THIS FACILITY WOULD VIOLATE THAT PIECE, BUT THEY CONSTANT POP, POP, POP SOUND OF GUNS, AS WELL AS LOUD MUSIC BEING PLAYED DIFFERENT TOURNAMENTS.
NUMBER EIGHT, ECONOMICS, ACCORDING TO IBISWORLD AN INDUSTRY RESEARCH COMPANY FOR OVER 50 YEARS, THE MARKET SIZE OF THE PAINTBALL FIELD INDUSTRY IN THE U S HAS DECLINED 0.3% PER YEAR ON AVERAGE FROM 2016 TO 2021.
WE ALREADY HAVE
THIS NEW FACILITY WOULD ONLY STEAL BUSINESS FROM THAT COMPANY, NOT INCREASE OVERALL TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACCORDING TO HOW TO START AN LLC.COM WITH A GOOD MISS BUSINESS PLAN.
PAINTBALL BUSINESS OWNERS EARN AN AVERAGE OF BETWEEN 20 AND 30,000 PER YEAR.
AND THOSE ESTIMATES ARE PROBABLY NOT CONSIDERING HAVING TWO FACILITIES WITHIN FIVE MILES OF EACH OTHER.
SO THE TRUE EARNINGS MIGHT ONLY BE HALF OF THAT.
CLEARLY THE ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY WILL BE FAIRLY LOW CONTRAST THAT WITH THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THIS AREA, THIS IS SOME OF THE HIGHEST VALUE PROPERTY IN HUBER HEIGHTS WITH THE SIXTH ADJACENT PROPERTY ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ALONE, APPRAISING FOR ABOUT $2 MILLION.
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THAT'S A HUNDRED TIMES MORE THAN THE ANNUAL EARNINGS THIS PROPOSED BUSINESS MIGHT MAKE.AND THE ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX IS PAID ON.
THESE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IS LIKELY DOUBLE THE EARNINGS OF THE PROPOSED BUSINESS.
OUR ROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE NET TAX REVENUE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY SHOWS THE PROPOSED BUSINESS WOULD NEED TO HAVE EARNINGS ROUGHLY 10 TIMES THE 20 TO 30 K AS MENTIONED ABOVE TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF REAL ESTATE TAXES FROM EVEN A MODEST 10% REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES OF JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT DOESN'T EVEN CONSIDER THE EFFECT OF REDUCED PROPERTY VALUES FROM NEARBY, BUT NOT ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO BUY A HOUSE WITH A PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT FACILITY AND ADDS THIS NEIGHBOR.
THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT MAKE GOOD ECONOMIC SENSE FOR YOUR BIKES.
WHEN THIS FACILITY GOES UNDER, WHICH THE DATA SUGGESTS IT'S CERTAINLY LIKELY WHAT WILL BE LEFT, IT WILL EITHER BE LEFT AS AN EYESORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR WILL BE TURNED INTO SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL FACILITY THAT WOULD AGAIN HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON THE AREA AND ITS RESIDENTS AND CLOSING DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY, TRESPASSING, LITTER, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, QUALITY OF LIFE, NOISE AND ECONOMICS.
I STRONGLY URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE? GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.
I LIVE, UH, LIVE ON THE F UH, I MOVED HERE TO HUBER HEIGHTS FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR NEEDS FOR ACTIVITY, RECREATIONAL THINGS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD BE GIVING UP MY RECREATIONAL THINGS THAT I DO ON MY PROPERTY FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME.
I DO DO I DO HUNT ON MY PROPERTY.
I HUNT MUSHROOMS THREE TIMES A YEAR ON MY PROPERTY.
I HAVE HARPS DEER EVERY YEAR ON MY PROPERTY.
I MAINTAIN A VERY MANICURED PARK STYLE BACKYARD.
SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN BEHIND ME THAT ARE WANTING THIS TO HAPPEN ALREADY KNOW HOW NICE IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE THEM ON MY TRAIL CAMERAS.
SO THE GOING ACROSS PROPERTY LINES ALREADY IS A PROBLEM FOR ME.
NORMALLY, IT'S SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO SNEAK IN TO GET A DEER THIS TIME.
IT'S JUST STREET CLOTHES, KIDS COMING IN TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I'M ALREADY RUNNING INTO THEM KIND OF ISSUES.
AND THIS WAS ON THE SEPTEMBER, THE 25TH, WHEN I STARTED GETTING PICTURES ON MY TRAIL CAMERAS BACK THERE.
AND I WAS ASSUMING THAT IT'S, THESE GUYS ARE WANTING TO COME IN AND LOOK AROUND ON AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES WERE.
THEY SEEN THAT I HAD A VERY MANICURED BACKYARD, UM, AND TRAIL LAYS.
SO THEY FIGURED THERE WAS A GOOD EASEMENT FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH, WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
IF YOU'RE LIVING THERE, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE.
I'M ASSUMING NONE OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THIS LIVE WHEN YOU WERE CLOSE TO HERE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PAINT BALLS, THE TRASH, THE NOISE, THE COMPLAINTS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I MOVED HERE FIVE YEARS AGO.
I FORGED AND HAVE A MASSIVE GARDEN FLOWER GARDEN.
WE PUT WILD FLOWERS BACK THERE.
MY NEIGHBOR HAS BUILT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST TREE FARMS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
AND IT'S JUST GOING DETERIORATE.
AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE, IT'S GOING TO LEAVE A BIGGER IMPACT THAN IT IS TODAY.
NOW, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T TAKE ANYBODY'S RESPOND OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THEIR, ON THEIR OWN FREE TIME, BUT THEIR FREE TIME THEY'RE COMING TO ANOTHER AREA TO DO IT.
UM, I DON'T SEE THEM BUILDING PAINT, BALL, GUN PLACES IN THEIR BACK YARDS BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S AN EYESORE.
WHEN THEY'RE HAVE PAINT ON THE TREES, ON THE WALLS, ON THE FENCES, ON THE BUILDINGS, ON THE BLACK TUBING THAT SHE'S CRAWLED THROUGH ON THE FENCES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, THE PLASTIC BEBE'S JUST, THEY ARE BIO-DEGRADABLE, BUT MOST OF THEM TAKE UP CLARK, APPROXIMATELY 542 DAYS TO DO IT.
THAT'S THE GOOD ONES, THE BAD ONES.
YOU'RE 17 YEARS DEEP ON THE AIRSOFT FIELD ITSELF, WHERE THE T IS ON RICH'S PROPERTY.
THERE IS A RUNOFF DRAIN FROM 70.
SO ANYTIME WE GET MASSIVE RAIN OR THE SNOW PILES UP AND THEY PUSH IT TO THIS DRAIN AND IT DRAINS OFF, IT RUNS THROUGH RICH AND MY PROPERTY, WHICH WE CALL, I CALL THAT MY SECONDARY CREEK MUD OR THAT LICK CREEK IS A PRIMARY.
THAT CREEK IS THE SECONDARY, THAT ONE FLOWS INTO THE MAIN CREEK, WHICH FLOWS INTO MUD RUN, WHICH FLOWS IN THE MAD RIVER, WHICH FLOWS IN THE GREAT MIAMI RIVER.
EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THIS IS GOING.
I'VE RUN THE OTHER SIDE OF TWO.
WELL, ONE ON THE BIRD CARE, CHILL, FARM HOUSE PLANTATION.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A NATURAL WATER SPRING.
IT FLOWS THROUGH OUR BACKYARD.
NOW, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE TO TAKE ANYONE'S
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RECREATIONAL THINGS AWAY FROM THEM, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT AND BE PLENTIFUL FOR MY PROPERTY, RELY LIKE THAT RECREATIONAL TIME.SO THAT ALLOWS ME NOT TO BE ABLE TO HUNT ON MY PROPERTY.
IF I HAVE GUYS BACK THERE ON FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, AND IT COULD BE A RUT THAT WEEKEND AND I WANT TO GO SHOOT A BUCK AND I CAN'T BE, CAUSE I GOT GUYS OUT HERE SHOOTING PAINTBALL GUNS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT NOTE.
I WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW MY NEIGHBORS.
MY NAME IS BRUCE WALEY, 87 67 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
YOU'VE GOT NEW THING COME TO MY HOUSE.
UM, MATT AND I LIVE ON 10 ACRES, UH, 87, 27 TAYLORSVILLE.
AND I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US CONCERNS AS FAR AS SOUND.
I MEAN, WE HAVE FIVE ACRES THAT WE WALK THROUGH THAT WE MUSHROOM HUNT.
UM, THERE IS A LITTLE LIKE THE BUZZ OF THE 70 THAT YOU HEAR, BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ELSE.
WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN ON THE AGRICULTURAL SIDE TRYING TO HUNT IN THE, ON OUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S BLIND SET UP, WHICH WE GO OUT AND SEE, AND THEY'RE ALREADY SHOOTING IN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TOO, IS PEOPLE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY AND JUST DISRUPTING OUR, OUR LIFE WHERE WE'RE AT IN OUR QUITE PROPERTY AND WHAT WE DO.
UM, AS A FAMILY THERE, I FORGOT TO SIGN IN, BUT THEY PRETTY MUCH COVERED, YOU KNOW, LITTER, UM, LOSS OF HIKING, OUTDOOR PROPERTY VALUE, DECREASE, UM, SAFETY, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THEN WE SAY NO TO THE TWO, IT IN OUR BACKYARD AS WELL.
WE WOULD NEVER HAVE MOVED OUT THERE.
HAD I KNOWN ANYBODY WAS GOING TO COME OUT THERE WITH GUNS AND SHOOT PAINTBALLS, WHICH BY THE CASE OF THE 44% THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S ETHYLENE GLYCOL, WHICH IS ALSO WHAT IS AN ANTI-FREEZE.
SO IF ANYTHING, INCLUDING ONE OF MY GERMAN SHEPHERDS PICKS THAT UP THEIR BED.
YOU KNOW, MY KIDS, MY SON IS 13.
HE'LL HAVE 10 TO 15 FRIENDS COME OUT OF HER.
THEY GO OUT, THEY MUSHROOM HUNT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE CREEK, THAT'S OUR PLACE.
SO IF WE HAVE SOMEONE SHOOTING OR DOING ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO OUR YARD, IF IT HITS MY KIDS, IF IT KILLS MY DOGS, I WILL SUE.
YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME A VERY HAPPY CAMPER WITH IT.
I AGREE EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
SOME OF US HAVE LIVED HERE 50 YEARS AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT MAKES THEM THINK THAT IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO BRING IT TO OFFERS? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING YES, SIR.
I'M NOT IMPACTED WITH MY PROPERTY BEING CLOSE TO IT, BUT I WILL BE IMPACTED BY ALL THE EXTRA TRAFFIC THAT I FEEL WILL BE ON THAT ROAD.
THERE WOULD BE A CAR COME UP, A BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD ABOUT EVERY 15 MINUTES.
NOW IT'S ABOUT EVERY TWO MINUTES AND YOU GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS COMING UP.
YOU GOT THEM SPEEDING COLD THROUGH THERE AND MOTORCYCLES GOING UP AND DOWN AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD.
AND I THINK HE SAID, HE SAID 80 PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THERE AT A TIME.
CAUSE I COULDN'T, I'M NOT REAL GOOD AT HEARING.
COULD I ASK YOU, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ADD 80 MORE CARS TODAY.
I CAME HOME FROM WORK AND I SAT AT THE LIGHT AT TAYLORSVILLE AND UH, BRANT PIKE BEFORE I COULD GET TURNED LEFT TO GO OVER TO MY HOUSE OVER ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, 32 CARS PASS THROUGH THERE.
NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT THERE'S MORE CARS AND MORE PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THESE CARS ARE COMING UP, BELL
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FOUNTAIN ROAD NOW.AND THE OTHER THING I DON'T H HE SAID, HE'S GOING TO HAVE IT ON WEEKENDS.
HOW LATE ON A WEEKEND? WHAT IS THE TIME? IS IT FIVE TO FIVE? TWO TO TWO, OR WHAT'S THE TIME? AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT 11 TO FIVE.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME AND THE SPEED THAT WE WERE HIS PROPERTY IS WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO MY HOUSE, THEY COME UP OUT OF THERE SHOOTING ABOUT 50 TO 60 MILE AN HOUR.
COPS ARE NEVER ON OUR, ON OUR STREET, VERY OFTEN IN A TALK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT IT BEFORE MY WIFE USED TO WORK.
SHE WAS 15 YEARS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE.
SO THAT'S, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE EXTRA TRAFFIC.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING? YES, SIR.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS ADD.
I MEAN, THEY PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING.
JOE DID, AND RICHARD REALLY COVERED EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH.
BUT YOUR NAME, CHARLIE RICE, CHARLIE RICE.
UM, I'VE LIVED ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD FOR 24 YEARS.
UM, HAVE FIVE AND AN EIGHT ACRE OF PROPERTY THERE.
I ALSO HAVE PLANTED LIKE 120 TREES ON MY PROPERTY AND MADE IT INTO A PARK TYPE ATMOSPHERE.
AND ONE THING THAT I DO ENJOY IS THE WILD ANIMALS, THE DEER, THE FOXES, NOT SO MUCH THE COYOTES, BUT WE HAVE COYOTES RACCOONS, AND I LIKE TO FEED BIRDS TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF DIFFERENT BIRDS I CAN DRAW INTO THERE.
UH, I ALSO CAN JUST SLIGHTLY HEAR THE HIGHWAY, UH, FROM MY PROPERTY, UH, AND THE SUMMERTIME NOW, WHEN IT BECOMES WINTER, LIKE NOW, AND THE LEAVES ARE DROPPING, IT GETS MUCH LOUDER.
AND YOU CAN HEAR A LOT MORE WHEN THERE'S NO TREES, NO LEAVES.
AND SO I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN HEBREW HEIGHTS.
SINCE 65 STARTED MONTICELLO WENT TO TITUS JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, WENT TO WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL, WENT IN THE MARINE CORPS, CAME OUT, WENT TO HARTSVILLE ROAD AND BOUGHT A HOUSE, UH, ON PAR OR TAYLORSVILLE AND RAISED MY KIDS THERE.
AND THEY'VE HAD A BLAST OUT ON ALL THAT LAND.
AND, UH, I'VE ALSO HAD PEOPLE TRY TO COME ONTO MY LAND TO HUNT AND I'VE HAD TO RUN THEM OFF AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THEY HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS.
AND MY PERMISSION, WHICHEVER WILL NOT GIVE PERMISSION FOR THAT.
UH, IF I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, CATCH A DEER ON MY PROPERTY, IF IT'S OUT THERE, UM, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID, AND I KNOW ED, HIS NAME IS, UM, EDWARD HOWE SEND IN A LETTER AND I THINK IT'S WORTH READING OF WHAT HE WROTE.
UM, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE ATLANTA STATE AGRICULTURAL.
I DO THINK THAT IF WE CHANGE THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE PROPERTY VALUE OF OUR HOMES.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO VALUE UP ON AT HOME.
I'M STILL WORKING ON THE HOME CAUSE EVERY 15 YEARS YOU'RE REMODELING.
SO, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND CAUSE MY KIDS I'VE RAISED TWO BOYS THAT, UM, DID THE SAME KIND OF THING, BUT THEY WENT TO
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YES.
MA'AM TIME LIMIT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIR.
IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SHORTER? THE BETTER? ABSOLUTELY.
I APPRECIATE HAVING YOUR TIME HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
I AM IN SUPPORT FOR WHAT G2 HERE IS TRYING TO DO ASSOCIATED WITH THE PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT FIELD THAT IS CURRENTLY ON DISPLAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY AN AIRSOFT.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ASSOCIATED WITH PAINTBALL AND I WOULD DEFER TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND TO ALSO LOOK AT THE MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEETS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THAT WAY WE ARE COMPLAINER'S STANDING AS FAR AS WHAT THE PAINT BALLS ARE.
AND NOT JUST LOOKING AT INFORMATION THAT WE MIGHT FIND ONLINE OR MIGHT HAVE ANY OWN BIASES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A GOOD STANDARD OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES.
UM, NOW OBVIOUSLY I DO HAVE MY OWN BIAS AS, UM, IN SUPPORT FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHAT G2 HAS DONE AND TRY TO COMPARE IT TO A COMPETITIVE ATMOSPHERE HERE IN DAYTON IN REGARDS TO THE SPORT ITSELF
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IS FANTASTIC.WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS REALLY SHOW WHAT AIRSOFT CAN GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY, THEY HAVE SHOWN THROUGH THE GOOD TIMES AND BAD WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS KIND OF GONE THROUGH AROUND HERE IN DAYTON, WHAT THEY WANT TO SHOW, WHAT WE CAN TO HELP OURSELVES AND THOSE AROUND US.
AND I THINK GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE THE COMMUNITY INTERACTIONS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY GOING ON WITH THEM.
AND ALSO TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, LIKE THE INTERACTIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING AND HAVING PEOPLE WANT TO DISCUSS THE TOPICS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING PEOPLE ENGAGED ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT FROM WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO.
IF THEY WERE TO RECEIVE THIS AFTER THE FACT AIRSOFT AS A SPORT KIND OF GO, UNCONVENTIONALLY HAS ONLY HAS A TRAJECTORY UPWARD.
AS OF THIS POINT, IT HAS BECOME A DESTINATION SPORT.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO TRAVEL TO LOCATIONS.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES AND OUTSIDE.
RECREATIONAL IS THE MILLENNIAL CHOICE OF ACTIVITY.
IT IS GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY IS GETTING INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE IS GOING OUTSIDE AND EXPERIENCING THINGS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EXPERIENCE ELSEWHERE.
I THINK DAYTON HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY OVER HERE IN HUBERT HEIGHTS, FROM THE ATMOSPHERE, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND AS WELL AS PEOPLE LOOKING TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE ACTIVITIES, IT, FOR ME JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE SPORT PAST 15 YEARS, THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT.
IT USED TO BE A SPORT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOUR SEVEN YEAR OLD KID IS YOUR SOUND IN THE BACKYARD AND JUST PLAYING AROUND AND JUST TRY AND MAKE SURE HE'S NOT POKING HIS EYE OUT OR SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS BECOMING PROFESSIONAL AND ASPECTS BEYOND IT IS BECOME A, A WAY FOR INDIVIDUALS TO ALSO BECOME MORE AWARE OF THE SAFETY THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH.
WHEN THEY'RE ALSO OPERATING TOYS, THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE ARMS THEMSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDESSES OF THE SPORT ON A LOT OF THINGS IT'S, IT'S DEMONSTRATED THOSE ASPECTS OR WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IN A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, I THINK WHAT G2 IS DOING HERE COULD LEAD TO A LOT OF INCREASED REVENUE IN THE LONG-TERM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A GOOD ENOUGH STAKEHOLD AND CREATE HIGHER COMPETITION WITHIN THE AREA.
I THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF OHIO, VISITING, OHIO, AND NOT JUST PEOPLE LOCALLY COMING HERE.
UM, AND I THINK IF YOU GET PEOPLE MORE INTERACTS WITH THE COMMUNITY THEMSELVES, I THINK THAT CREATES MORE INVESTMENT INSIDE OF IT THROUGH SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, AND JUST CREATING BETTER PEOPLE ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WITHOUT I LIKE TO SAY, I'M IN SUPPORT FOR THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, I AM IN FOR THE PROPOSITION FOR G2.
G2 IS VETERAN OWNED AND OPERATED.
THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, DARREN HIMSELF AS A VETERAN AND A FEW OTHERS.
OTHERS' TEAMMATES IS ALSO A VETERAN.
UM, I LITERALLY GOT PRESCRIBED AIRSOFT AS A TYPE OF EXPOSURE THERAPY BECAUSE I WAS MEDICALLY DISCHARGED BEFORE I CAN GO TO COMBAT.
SO ALL IN MY MIND WAS, YOU KNOW, I GOT TRAINED FOR EVERYTHING AND THEN SENT BACK HOME.
SO THAT CREATED S YOU KNOW, SEVERE SYMPTOM OF ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T PRETTY MUCH DO ANYTHING.
UM, AIRSOFT HAS BECOME A HUGE OUTLET FOR ME TO HELP MY PEERS AND CIVILIANS, FRIENDS LEARN WHAT I LEARNED, YOU KNOW, SO IT HELPS A LOT THAT EVERYBODY AT T2, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN HUGE HELP, YOU KNOW, MENTALLY FOR ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND IT'S BECOME A NEW SENSE OF CAMARADERIE AND FRIENDSHIP.
MA'AM DO YOU WANT TO, SHE'D BEEN TRYING TO GET UP HERE.
HI, MY NAME IS LIZANNE FLYNN, AND I LIVE ON TAYLORSVILLE ON 12 ACRES AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERYTHING THAT'S, UH, THAT SHOULD BE SAID.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS ELEMENT ON MY PROPERTY, AROUND MY ANIMALS.
UM, IT'S JUST, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT.
SO PLEASE HELP HELP THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
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HELLO.I KNOW THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT I WOULDN'T WANT, I NEVER SAW FAILED IN MY TOWN.
I'D ACTUALLY LOVE AN AEROSOL FIELD IN MY TOWN.
THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH LAND TO BUILD A FIELD.
UM, THE REASON WHY I'M FOR G2 BUILDING THIS FIELD IS THAT MOST OF THE FIELDS THAT WE HAVE, THE ONLY FIELD THAT'S CLOSE TO, WHERE I LIVE, I LIVE LIKE 45 MINUTES AWAY FROM HERE.
THE ONLY FIELD THAT'S CLOSE IS FIELD AND OUR GOAL, AT LEAST FROM MY OPINION, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE MORE FIELDS.
SO PEOPLE HAVE MORE ACCESS TO AEROSOL TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY IS A GREAT COMMUNITY.
I'VE MET SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE.
UH, IT DOES HELP PEOPLE LIKE WITH DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY.
MY SISTER ACTUALLY SUFFERS FROM THAT AND I BROUGHT HER OUT TO THE FIELD A COUPLE OF TIMES, NOT TO GTS FIELD BECAUSE SHE'S A SINGLE MOTHER.
SHE CAN'T REALLY GO OUT WITHOUT HER DAUGHTER, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY SAFE.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE RED MARK FROM GETTING SHOT BY BB, BUT IT NEVER BREAKS SCAN.
UH, THE NETTING ALWAYS CATCHES THE BEBE'S.
I'VE NEVER SEEN, BEBE'S GO THROUGH THE NETTING.
UH, THEY HAVE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IT GOING THAT FAR.
THEY HAVE LIKE ZIP TIES TO KEEP LIKE THE PRESSURE THAT YOU WILL COUNT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THEY CONSTANTLY TEST EVERY GUY, EVERY GUN THAT GOES THROUGH THE FIELD, THEY TEST AND MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
UH, THE, THE BB IS, ARE BIODEGRADABLE.
MOST OF THE SITES THAT WILL ACTUALLY MOST SITES DON'T REALLY UPDATE WHAT THEY PUT IN THEIR CHEMICALS.
YEAH, MAYBE IT WASN'T AS SAFE, BUT NOWADAYS, MOST OF THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN LIKE PAINTBALLS AND THE NEW BIBI'S MAJORITY OF THE TIME, THE COMPANIES ARE PUSHING BUYERS OUT BECAUSE IT'S SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S SAFE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, WHEN I WAS A LOT YOUNGER, I ACTUALLY PLAYED AEROSOL OR PAYPAL FOR THREE YEARS.
I PUT PLAIN PAYPAL BECAUSE OF THE OLD CHEMICALS, BRIM, THERE WERE MORE DANGEROUS.
UH, PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FREEZE PEOPLES, BUT NOW THE NEW CHEMICALS IN IT, YOU CAN'T FREEZE THEM.
UH, I'VE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, WHEN I WAS PLAYING PAINTBALL, THERE WAS A DOG THAT ACTUALLY ATE A PAINTBALL DOGS, FINE DOGS, NEVER GOT HURT.
UH, I STILL KNOW SOME OF THE GUYS THERE, THE DAY, THEY WERE A CHURCH GROUP THAT USED TO RUN THOSE THE FIELD.
AND IT BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY GO TO THEIR CHURCH.
AND, UH, THEY DO IT FOR EVENTS UP IN EATON, BUT YOU GOT TO BE A PART OF THE CHURCH TO ACTUALLY BE A PART OF IT.
SO, UM, FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IT'S SAFE, MAJORITY OF THE TIME G2 AND EVEN MY TEAM OR OURSELVES, WE ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE TO HELP CLEAN UP THE FIELDS TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE, NO ONE WANTS TO STEP ON MY BEBE'S OR SLIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A CLEAN, SAFE DAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT G2 ESPORTS A LOT WHEN IT'S, WHEN WE'RE THERE.
UH, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
UM, DARREN HAS PRETTY MUCH COVERED MOST OF THE, LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
UH, LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THE SITES, THEY DON'T REALLY UPDATE WHAT CHEMICALS ARE GOING INTO THEIR STUFF FROM LIKE 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
UH, NOWADAYS EVERYTHING'S MOSTLY ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE AND SHOULDN'T HARM ANY ANIMAL THINKING LIKE, HI THERE, MY NAME'S KEVIN LUKEY.
AND, UM, MY PARENTS HAVE LIVED IN, I'VE LIVED, UM, ON BELFONT ROAD ALL MY LIFE.
AND, UM, THE ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY HAS STATED, I AGREE WITH, UM, WHEN THEY SAY THEY PLAY IN THE DARK, DO THEY PLAY IN THE DARK? DO YOU PLAY WITH HUGE LIGHTS? WE, UM, MOVED TO THE COUNTRY AND LOVING THE COUNTRY.
UM, WE PUT ALL OUR, ALL OUR EARNINGS INTO OUR HOMES AND IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU GUYS TO RELATE, THINK ABOUT PUTTING THIS ON EVERYONE'S PROPERTY AND REALLY RUINING THEIR, UM, PEACE OF MIND.
AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR THE MUSIC, THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN BY FOUNTAIN.
YOU COME, UM, GOING FROM THE SOUTH DOWN BELL FOUNTAIN OVER THAT BRIDGE.
YOU TAKE YOUR EYES OFF OF THAT ROAD FOR ONE SECOND.
SOMEBODY TURNING INTO THAT PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SMASHED.
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SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT MORE ISSUES THAN HAVING THIS FOR SOMEBODY AS WELLBEING BECAUSE THEY MENTALLY NEED IT.I HAVE TWO SONS THAT'S IN THE MILITARY.
SO, UM, I, I DO GET THAT, JUST DO IT IN SOME OTHER ABANDONED PROPERTY.
AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST IT.
UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED MUCH WITH BEING 4G TWO AS THE SOUND QUALITY.
UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT THE SOUND AND I WISH I COULD DEMONSTRATE TO YOU GUYS, UM, THE GUNS AREN'T LOUD AT ALL.
I MEAN, STANDING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROOM TO THE OTHER, YOU CAN'T HEAR THE LOUDEST GUN IN OUR FIELD AND THEY'RE VERY QUIET.
UM, AND SAME WITH PEOPLE GETTING HIT FROM STRAY BABIES.
THE ROUNDS HIT LEAVES AND FALL TO THE GROUND.
THEY DON'T BREAK SKIN AND A PERSON WALKING BY.
ISN'T GOING TO GET HIT BY ONE CAUSE WE CAN BARELY SHOOT EACH OTHER THROUGH TREES.
THEY HIT ONE LEAF, ONE BRANCH.
THEY FALL STRAIGHT TO THE GROUND.
NOT SAYING THAT ONE COULDN'T GO THROUGH AND HIT SOMEBODY, BUT IT IS VERY UNLIKELY.
UM, BUT THERE ISN'T ANY CHAOS WITH G2.
THEY RUN THE FIELD, THEY RUN THE FIELD WELL, AND THEY HAVE ADMINS WALKING THE FIELD, MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE INBOUND RECRUITING, MAKING SURE PEOPLE AREN'T SHOOTING THAT SHOULDN'T BE SHOOTING, SHOOTING IN RANDOM DIRECTIONS.
AND THIS WAS MORE THAN JUST BEING A MENTAL HEALTH THING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE THAT LIKE TO LIVE IN THE AREA.
BUT AS THEY MENTIONED MENTIONED, THEY HUNT.
THEY FISH, THEY DO ALL THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HUNTING, SAY THEY, SINCE THEY OWN THE FIELD OR OWN THE LAND, WHAT IF THEY GO OUT AND THEY GET SHOT BY SOMEBODY HUNTING ON THEIR LAND? IT'S KIND OF THE SAME ASPECT OF THEM GETTING HIT BY A BABY OR A HUNTER SHOOTING.
UM, THAT'S KINDA ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.
HI, MY NAME IS CAROL TABBADOR AND LIKE, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? CAROL TAVENNER AND LIKE HIM THAT SPOKE JUST A MINUTE AGO.
WE LIVE A LITTLE SOUTH OF THERE.
WE'D BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 49 YEARS.
IF I WANT TO PUT MY HOUSE UP FOR SALE AND I HAVE TO LOWER THE PRICE BECAUSE WHAT'S NORTH OF ME, I WILL NOT BE VERY HAPPY.
THEN THE TRAFFIC, LIKE I BELIEVE WITH THIS, GENTLEMAN'S TALK ABOUT CARS, SPEED UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD MOTORCYCLES.
YOU WONDER HOW THEY'RE EVER GOING TO GET STOPPED AT BELL FOUNTAIN AND TAYLORSVILLE.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGE LIMIT IS THAT CAN DO THIS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WE HAVE KIDS HAVE NO BUSINESS RIDING BICYCLES ON BAIL FOUNTAIN ROAD CANNOT.
W WHAT'S THE AGENT, SOMEONE COULDN'T COME BY THEMSELVES.
WELL, THEY MAY EVEN HAVE A CAR THEN, BUT THE, AT THE TRAFFIC ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, SINCE WE LIVED THERE, WE COULD GET DOWN THE END OF OUR DRIVEWAY, GO LIKE THIS AND PULL OUT.
NOW YOU CAN'T, YOU GOT TO WAIT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE THE OTHER ONE SAID, WE BOUGHT OUT THERE TO BE AWAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU'RE STILL CLOSE TO THE STORES AND WE DON'T WANT THAT NORTH OF US.
I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID.
I'M HERE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF STORM COMPANY.
OUR SOFT A GROUP THAT WORKS CLOSELY WITH GUERIN'S GUYS WOULD COME OUT TO PLAY AT THEIR FIELD ALL THE TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE.
LET ME SIGN IN HERE REAL QUICK.
TO, UH, ALLAY SOME OF THE FEARS OF THE FIND PEOPLE HERE HELP GENERATE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SPORT, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY, WHAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
UM, THE CONCERNS THAT THESE RESIDENTS HAVE ARE, ARE UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND IT, I LIVED FOR MOST OF MY CHILDHOOD ON A RURAL PROPERTY FOR ABOUT SIX TO SEVEN YEARS BEFORE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL.
AND IT IS ENJOYABLE TO BE IN THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
UM, THE WILDLIFE, THE FONT OF FLORA.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION GOING ON THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT HERE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, 24 7 RUNNING THESE GAMES.
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THESE EVENTS, AS DARREN MENTIONED EARLIER, OCCUR INFREQUENTLY THE FIRST AND THIRD SATURDAY OF EACH MONTH AT MOST.AND IF THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT, SOMETIMES THAT CAN PUT OFF OTHER GAMES, UM, AIRSOFT AS A SPORT HAS SAFETY AND CONSIDERING OTHERS AT ITS CORE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UH, HONOR AND SPORTSMANSHIP AND UNDERSTANDING OTHER PEOPLE, UH, THERE, OF COURSE, IN CONTRAST TO PAINTBALL WITH AIRSOFT, THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL IF SOMEBODY HAS BEEN HIT BECAUSE IT'S A PLASTIC PELLET COMES RIGHT OFF OF YOU.
SO IT'S AN HONOR SPORT WHERE YOU HAVE TO CALL HIT, UH, WHICH GENERATES A VERY, A VERY HONORABLE AND, AND, AND UPSTANDING AURA AND IT'S COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO DO A LAY THE IDEA THAT IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF STREET THUGS GOING OUT TO SHOOT AT EACH OTHER FOR FUN.
UM, WE, WE DO THIS SPORT, UH, IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR LIVES.
IT'S A, IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY ENJOY.
AND, UH, WE WANT, WE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE ALL WANT TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AROUND THE AREA, IN, IN PUTTING AWAY ANY FEARS OR CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE.
IF WE NEED TO PUT UP EXTRA MESHES, I'M SURE THAT DARREN WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT UP EXTRA MESH NETS WITHIN IT FITS WITHIN YOUR, UH, YOUR CODES.
UH, WE'D BE WILLING TO PUT SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO PREVENT ANYTHING THAT, UH, THESE RESIDENTS HAVE CONCERNED WISE IN ORDER TO PREVENT ANYTHING THAT MAY, THEY MAY PERCEIVE AS, UH, HARMFUL OR TOXIC COMING ANYWHERE NEAR THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE CORE OF IT IS, IS, UM, WE SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHER'S PROPERTIES.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE WHO GOES TO THAT PLACE OR DARREN OR ANY OF HIS PEOPLE IN G2 HAVE ANY INTENTION OF, OF INFRINGING ON THE PROPERTY OF ANY OF THE RESIDENTS NEARBY, UH, NOR WOULD WE LIKE IF THEY DID THE SAME.
UM, AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO DIFFUSE SOME OF THE TENSION GOING ON AND HELP BRING THINGS DOWN TO A MORE COOPERATIVE TACK, UH, SINCE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH LULA THROUGH DILIGENCE AND UNDERSTANDING, AND I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU FOLKS, UH, COMING UP AND VOICING YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL.
UM, WE'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE HERE, BUT I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE KIND OF CONTRADICTORY.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE AIRSOFT PEOPLE.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION? HUH? YOU WANT DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE NOT REALLY HEARD SINCE THIS COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO REZONE.
WE'VE NOT HEARD WHY THEY WANT TO USE HIS PROPERTY.
WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICATIONS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY PATEL, THEY LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, I SAY THAT IN CASE THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND SHOULD IT BE NOT APPROVED, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR SPECIFICATIONS ARE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THEY NEED FOR THIS, FOR THIS FACILITY.
I DO BELIEVE THEY WERE ALREADY AT SPELLED THAT OUT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO THEY NEED A WOODED AREA? DO THEY NEED A, JUST AN OPEN FIELD OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY NEED IN ORDER TO DO THAT? BECAUSE IF THEY NEED A WOODED AREA, HOW DO THEY KEEP FROM ENCROACHING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I HEARD THAT KIND OF CONFUSED ME IS THAT THEY SAID THAT THE RANGE OF THE PAINTBALL WAS LIKE EIGHT FEET, BUT IF THEY USE A DIFFERENT WEAPON, IT CAN GO FURTHER.
SO HOW MUCH FURTHER AND HOW FAR AWAY IS I 70, IF THEY, IF IT WAS SAID THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY REACH I 70, UM, AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT ARE USED IN THE DIFFERENT PALLETS AND THE PAYPAL.
AND I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I TRUST BUT VERIFY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND BEFORE YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, RE REQUESTED MY VIEW EPA, UH, REPORTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS AND MATERIAL, DATA SHEETS ASSOCIATED WITH MATERIALS THAT THEY INTEND TO USE AS THEY APPLIED TO THE ENVIRONMENT, THE WATER AND WILDLIFE.
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND CASE? MY NAME IS ANN LEACH AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 84 AND I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE TO COME AND PUT SUCH A BUSINESS AS A PAINFUL RANGE.
I'M SURE I'M NOT AGAINST PAINFUL RANGERS.
THEY, THEY CAN SERVE A GOOD PURPOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PLACE THAT THEY'RE CHOOSING TO PUT IT IS THE PROPER LOCATION.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? HI, MY NAME IS LOGAN LENNART.
I, UH, HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH THE G2 FOR A WHILE.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, VOUCH FOR DARREN'S CHARACTER ON THIS AND SAY THAT HE HAS THE BEST INTENTIONS FOR KEEPING THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS FIELD, UH, IN A GOOD CONDITION SO THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, HE IS PUTTING IN A LOT OF EFFORT TO HELP BUILD A COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR THE HEBREW HEIGHTS AREA, BUT FOR GREATER DAYTON.
AND I MEAN, I'VE MADE FRIENDS FROM, I MEAN, ALL THE WAY UP IN COLUMBUS AND CLEVELAND, IT, THERE IS A MAJOR SENSE OF COMMUNITY HERE.
AND I THINK THAT GROWING UP IN THIS AREA, HAVING THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY IS REALLY GOING TO HELP OUT WITH NOT ONLY THE YOUTH, BUT YOU KNOW, MY GENERATION.
SO I, I WANT TO SUPPORT HIS, UH, WELL, THANK YOU.
UH, MY NAME'S DUSTIN AND I LIVE ON BELL FOUNTAIN.
I BOUGHT MY HOUSE THERE FIVE YEARS AGO AND, UM, I REALLY LIKE PAINTBALL.
UM, PROBABLY THE SECOND FUNNIEST THING YOU CAN DO TO RIDING A DIRT BIKE, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR IT.
UM, I THINK THAT IF YOU COULD HAVE A BUSINESS LIKE THAT THERE, THEN, UH, MAYBE LIKE WHERE MY HOUSE IS AT, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A CAR LOT OR A GAS STATION OR MAYBE AN AUTO SALVAGE YARD OR ANY KIND OF BUSINESS THAT HAS JUST A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE ALL DAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THESE PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY AND ALL THIS, WELL, OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT.
SO TO ME, THAT COMPLETELY NEGATES ANY TALK OF COMMUNITY OR BUILDING COMMUNITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS JUST RIDICULOUS TO BRING IT UP.
SO, UM, I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFAIR THAT THERE WOULD BE A GUN RANGE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T REALLY THINK I'M GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT JUST THE SIGN BEING OUT FRONT IS ALREADY CAUSING A PROBLEM FOR MY NEIGHBORS.
JUST, JUST THE REZONING SIGN IS ALREADY CAUSING AN ISSUE WITH MY NEIGHBORS.
AND THESE PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ISSUES.
WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY CAUSING ISSUES, PLANNING ON DOING THIS.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE LEFT? YEAH.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
I STARTED
MY NAME IS TIM HART AND I GOT INTO THE, UH, PAINT BALL BUSINESS FIRST BASICALLY TO, UH, ALLOW THE KIDS A PLACE TO COME OUT AND PLAY AND LEARN ABOUT GUN SAFETY.
UM, I'VE HAD THE BUSINESS 22 YEARS.
I'VE NOT HAD ONE PRICE INCREASE YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, I'M IN IT FOR THE KIDS SO THEY CAN COME OUT AND PLAY.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS HAVE BEEN MISSED HERE.
I'VE GOT A LIST, UM, DUCKS AND GEESE
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DO EAT THE PAINT BALLS TO THE POINT THAT WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, I STARTED FEEDING THE DUCKS AND THE GEESE AT MY POND.SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE PAINT BALLS.
SO THEY DO EAT THE PAINT BALLS.
ONE PAINT BALL DOES NOT HURT A DOG.
UM, I'VE HAD FRIENDS OF MINE THAT HAVE LEFT THEIR PAINT BALLS, OPEN THEIR DOGS, ATE IT, AND YES, IT WILL KILL A DOG APPROXIMATELY 300 MORE OR MORE PAINT BALLS.
AND THEY THEY'RE ALL OVER THE GROUND.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN GET RID OF THEM AT THE END OF THE DAY, SO IT CAN KILL.
UM, WE HAVE A TARGET RANGE WE'VE BEEN USING.
I'VE HAD TO REPLANT SOME TREES.
UM, QUITE A FEW, ACTUALLY I WAS SURPRISED THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE NEGATIVES THAT I FOUND OUT IN THE BUSINESS ONCE I WAS IN IT FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, UM, IT IS NOISY.
AND, UH, WHAT'S BEING TOTALLY MISSED.
GRENADES GRENADES ARE 120 DECIBELS NOBODY'S EVER BROUGHT THAT UP HERE.
IF I THROW A GRENADE RIGHT IN HERE, OUR EARS WOULD RING FOR FIVE, 10 MINUTES.
THEY RENTED MY FIELD AND RAN NIGHT GAMES FROM SIX TO MIDNIGHT.
THEY DO NIGHT GAMES ALL THE TIME.
UM, SO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO QUIT AT FIVE KIND OF QUESTIONABLE KIND OF, KIND OF MAKES ME WONDER IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING HONEST.
IF THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANT, UM, CAMPING, I HEARD THE WORD CAMPING.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE CAMPING UP THERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNEW THAT THERE'LL BE CAMPING UP THERE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE SPLIT.
THEY WANTED TO DO MORE NIGHT GAMES AT MY FACILITY.
UH, ONE OF OUR POINTS THAT I HAD WITH THEM WAS THEY WERE USING HOMEMADE PYROTECHNICS.
SO THEY WOULD PACK THEIR OWN POWDER OR WHATEVER TO MAKE THEIR BOOMS. AND, UH, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
SO WE SPLIT AND NOT ONLY DID WE SPLIT, THEN THEY STARTED ANOTHER BUSINESS ABOUT SIX MILES AWAY FROM ME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING TO EXPAND MY FACILITY.
I'M NOT LOOKING ANYWHERE NEAR HUBER.
I WOULD LOOK OUT WHERE THERE'S FARMLAND THERE NEEDS.
IT NEEDS TO GO WHERE THERE'S NOTHING AROUND THE FACT THAT I'M IN A COMMERCIAL AREA AND HAVE BEEN THERE 22 YEARS.
UM, IT'S, I'VE KIND OF, I'VE KIND OF LEARNED WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WILL TOLERATE.
AND I HAVE ONLY ONE NEIGHBOR IN, UH, HE'S GLAD WE STOPPED THE NIGHT GAMES ACTUALLY, AND I CAN'T BLAME HIM.
UM, SO THE HOMEMADE FIREWORKS AND THE CAMPING WAS SOMETHING THAT KINDA CAUGHT MY EYES.
UM, THE PAINT BALLS, THE REASON WE, UM, THE WELL ISSUE THAT IS A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE ISSUE DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE MAKEUP OF THE PAINT BALLS, THEY ARE TOXIC.
ONE ISN'T A BUNCH IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY WELLS ON HUBER HEIGHTS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WHEN KMART HAD A GARAGE, THERE WAS A BREAK IN THE SEWER PIPE AND IT CONTAMINATED ALL OUR WELLS.
UM, PART-TIME FIELDS FAIL 99% OF THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH GUMPTION TO FEED YOUR FAMILY ON A PART-TIME GIG.
WHEN YOU GET INTO IT AND YOU JUMP INTO IT FULL TIME, I'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR 22 YEARS YEAR ROUND.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO COME PLAY AIRSOFT AND HAD YOUR OWN EQUIPMENT, YOU COULD PLAY THE ENTIRE DAY FROM 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM FOR $15.
I'M THE CHEAPEST AROUND IN THE AREA.
AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I GOT INTO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
I WANTED THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO COME AFFORD IT AND PLAY, UM, SEE WE PRICE, MATCH THE INTERNET ON EVERYTHING IN OUR STORE, SO THE KIDS CAN GET THE BEST DEAL THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY GET OUT THERE.
WE DON'T CARRY JUNK EQUIPMENT FOR THAT SAME REASON.
UM, WE HAD OVER 200 PLAYERS LAST SATURDAY, UM, 120 PAINT BALLERS, AND ABOUT 80 SOME AIR SOFTERS JUST ON SATURDAY.
SO JUST GIVING YOU GUYS SOME FACTS YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE, UM, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS A JOKE CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD 25 FOOT NETTING AND IT STILL GOES OVER IT.
THE KIDS HAVE A TENDENCY TO JUST SEE WHAT THE GUNS WILL DO.
I 70 WILL GET HIT BY PAINT BALLS,
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NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS IN MY MIND, THE FACT THAT IT MAY NOT HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF LEAVES ON THE TREE.BUT AS SOON AS THEM LEAVES ARE GONE, THEN PAINT BALLS CAN DEFINITELY MAKE IT TO THAT AREA.
SO I WOULD BE A LITTLE LEERY GOING THAT CLOSE TO THE, UH, TO THE ROAD.
OTHER THAN THAT, I'M ALL FOR PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
UH, I AM A G-TUBE MEMBER, UM, FOR THE AEROSOL, THE PAINTBALL TEAM.
UM, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR A FEW THINGS UP.
UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN SPLIT UP WITH TIM FOR A WHILE NOW.
AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HE DID SAY IS TRUE ABOUT PAINTBALL AND OURSELVES, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE ONE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP AS OUR HOURS ARE WE ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING THROUGH THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE HAD OUR NEW FIELD.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, ADJUSTED THOSE HOURS.
WE PLAY FROM MAYBE 11 TO FIVE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL HAVE A BREAK FOR PEOPLE TO GO SAY, GO GET FOOD AND STUFF.
WHILE WE GET THE FIELD READY, WE DON'T PLAY UNTIL DARK FOR THE NIGHT OP AND WE, AND WHEN WE DO, WE ONLY PLAY ONE GAME AND THAT IS OUR TIER ONE NIGHT GAME.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT WE DO TOO, UM, IT DOES START AT WHENEVER IT HITS STARK, WHENEVER IT HITS STARK, WE TAKE PLAYERS OUT AND GIVE THEM A BRIEFING.
THEY GO THROUGH AND COMPLETE THE MISSION FIREWORKS, GO OFF.
IT DOESN'T EVEN LAST A MINUTE FOR FIREWORKS.
THERE'S MAYBE ABOUT WHAT? 10, 15 EXPLOSIONS.
THAT'S IT JUST A REGULAR LITTLE MORTAR MORTAR ROUND FOR LITTLE HOMEMADE FIREWORKS, NOT HOMEMADE, BUT, UH, IT'S EQUIVALENT TO A, UM, YEAH.
UM, THAT'S JUST ONE THING I DO WANT TO CLEAR UP, BUT THAT, UM, THE GRENADES ARE ANOTHER THING.
UH, WE DON'T REALLY USE GRENADES THAT OFTEN WE DO SELL GRENADES AND THAT, THAT IS A, UH, EG 67.
NOT THAT LOUD, UH, LIKE TIM SAYS, YES, IT CAN MAKE YOUR EARS RING, BUT FOR NOT TOO MUCH WRONG.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON TO CLEAR UP ABOUT HOW HE CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN SEPARATED FROM HIM.
LET ME MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT HASN'T TALKED YET.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY.
THIS IS THE MOST NERVOUS THING I'VE EVER DONE.
UH, MY NAME IS ROBERT STEVENS.
UH, I AM A AVID PLAYER FOR AIRSOFT.
I'VE BEEN PLAYING SINCE I WAS 12.
UH, SO OVER 14 YEARS AND I WANTED TO DESCRIBE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES AND FIELDS AND HOW THEY'RE OPERATED SPECIFICALLY VERSUS G2 TACTICAL THE PLACE AS CURRENTLY TRYING TO OPERATE IN HUBER HEIGHTS VERSUS
UM, I WENT TO ISO MENTEE AIRSOFT TWICE, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO BASH
I I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAR THE AIR ZONING CASE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
I KNOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT DARREN IS HERE TO TAKE CARE OF PROPERTY, NOT TO LEAVE IT AND RUIN.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DARREN FIELDS VERSUS
UH, RAF'S OVERSIGHT, GENERAL IDEA, MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S HAVING FUN.
UM, THE TWO TIMES I'VE WENT TO ISO MANY AEROSOL.
I DID NOT GET KRONOS, WHICH IS THE MEASUREMENT OF JUUL IS, ARE COMING OUT WITH MY GUNS.
UH, WHICH MEANS THAT IF I HAD AN HPA, WHICH IS AN AIR POWERED RIFLE, I COULD USE THAT AS MY ADVANTAGE AND PUT IT UP TO UNSAFE LEVELS THAT HAPPENED BOTH TIMES, WHICH IS EXTREME SAFETY OVERSIGHT.
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THAT IS A USUAL FOR G2.SO SAFETY IS THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
UM, THERE ARE NO REFS, UH, WHENEVER I GO TO
UH, I DON'T KNOW, WHO'S A REF.
I DON'T KNOW WHO I CAN COME AND TALK TO AIR GAME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CASE AND NOT, I SAID, YEAH, I KNOW, UH, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH IT MY BAD, BUT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY GOES, UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM CLEVELAND WHO COME DOWN, WE SPEND MONEY HERE.
I GO TO RAVE CINEMAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEK.
UM, I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN DAYTON.
UH, A LOT OF US MADE PRODUCTS ARE ACTUALLY FOR AIRSOFT.
SO WE'RE KEEPING OUR MONEY IN THE UNITED STATES.
UM, AND AS SOMEONE WHO IS MENTALLY ILL AND SUFFERS FROM DEPRESSION AND SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, IT HAS HELPED ME, UH, REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE AND HAS BECOME A THERAPEUTIC.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK THAT ALL OF THEM CAN BE WORKED OUT, MAYBE SQUEEZING IN THAT AREA OF PLAY AREA A LITTLE BIT MIGHT HELP, BUT I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH AS I, AS I SAY AT THE MOMENT.
CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I UNDERSTAND AS PART OF THE G2, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, UH, WE ARE GOING TO, IF THIS IS APPROVED, DO EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR CLEAN FIELD.
IT'S SAFE AND CLEAN BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THE FIELDS IN OHIO ARE NOT.
AND THAT'S PART AS US BEING AN AIRSOFT TEAM, WE TAKE MORE PRIDE INTO IT AS BEING PLAYERS.
AND, UH, WE DON'T LIKE PLAYING AT PLACES LIKE THAT.
SO WE ARE GONNA, I MEAN, A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE PUT OUR FAMILIES IN.
THERE WE GO ALL OUR SPARE TIME INTO THIS.
SO WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY, AS WE KEEP SAYING, UH, WE EXPERIMENTED THAT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW OF BRINGING YOUNG CHILDREN AND DOING NERF DAYS, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFER FOR THEM.
THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T PLAY IT HERSELF.
SO CAUSE I HAVE TWO LITTLE ONES, MYSELF.
MY TWO LITTLE ONES NEED SOMETHING TO DO.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPERIMENTING WITH AND BRINGING MORE ACTIVITIES.
AS WHEN WE'RE SAYING COMMUNITY, HOPEFULLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD GET INVOLVED.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO JUST MAKE FIT IN.
NOT BE A NUISANCE, DOES FIT IN WORK WITH THE CITY, WORK WITH NEIGHBORS, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, HELPING BUSINESS TO THE, JUST DOWN THE ROAD, THE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER STORES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
RUN SAFE, BE HAPPY PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS ISSUES WITH EVERYONE HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANYONE UPSET.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY WITH THAT.
GOT MORE JUST TO REITERATE, I THINK WHAT G2 DOES IS GREAT.
THEY'RE VETERANS, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO COMMUNITY.
OUR POINT IS THIS IS OUR BACKYARD.
WHILE THEY'RE PAINTBALLING, WE'RE HAVING A FAMILY BARBECUE IN THE BACKYARD.
OUR DOGS ARE BARKING AND FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE HEARING PEOPLE POPPING OFF AIR GUNS OR SHOOTING OFF FIREWORKS.
WE SHOULD, AS RESIDENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE VOICING OUR CONCERNS, NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE PUTTING UP A MERRY-GO-ROUND OR A PART FOR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ALL ABOUT THAT, BUT NOT A PINK BALL, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO, WHILE WE'RE SITTING ON OUR BACK PORCH, HAVING A FAMILY REUNION, HAVING A COOKOUT OR JUST ENJOYING THE EVENING.
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TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.NO, I GOT TO KEEP IT GOING THAT EVERYBODY CAN GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO TALK.
I'VE GOT A THREE-YEAR-OLD AND A ONE-YEAR-OLD.
UM, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE VETERANS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I DID NOT DISAGREE WITH ME IF YOU WANT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PLACE FOR IT.
UM, SINCE MY TIME HERE, IT'S QUIET.
HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, SIR? DIRECT THAT TO ME.
HOW MANY OF THEM LIVE IN PUBERTY? THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO ONE REACHED OUT PRIOR TO THIS.
UM, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD, SHOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS AND BACK TO YOUR BACK, THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS CASE.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE DIET 70 QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. FARGO? UM, COUPLE OF THINGS CAME UP THAT, UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF.
AND I HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT CAMPING ON THIS GROUND? UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT, UM, AT A MINIMUM I WOULD REQUEST TO TABLE TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION, NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT CAMPING, NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT PYROTECHNICS, UM, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD WANT INPUT FROM FIRE DIVISION ON CODE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND SOME OF THE LEGALITIES, UH, INVOLVED IN THAT, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE MATERIALS.
UM, SO I BELIEVE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO, UM, AT A MINIMUM, A REQUEST TABLING TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, WE HAVE A PAINTBALL FACILITY IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND, UH, DO HAVE WE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? HAVE THEY HAD BEEN CALLED OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW OF? AND IF NOT, COULD WE CHECK ON THAT? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
SO SCOTT, AM I CORRECT THAT, I MEAN, THE PRIMARY ASK IS FOR A ZONING CHANGE FIRST, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A COMMERCIAL.
IN WHICH CASE, IF THIS BUSINESS EVER WANTED TO LEAVE OR DO ANYTHING THEY COULD IN FACT PUT CAR LOTS OR GAS STATIONS OR ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A PLANNED COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH IF APPROVED WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS USE AS A COMMERCIAL USE, UM, WHICH DOES NOT MATCH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS WITHIN A, UH, AREA OF AGRICULTURAL AND LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT IF THE NEXT USER WANTS TO DO A CAR LOT, THEY WOULD COME THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS AND IT'D BE A MAJOR CHANGE COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT WOULD IT BE, IT WOULDN'T BE AS BIG OF A CHANGE TO GO FROM PLAN COMMERCIAL TO ANOTHER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.
WE'D BE BACK IN THIS SAME MODE AGAIN, WHERE CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED AG OR LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IS NOT PART OF THE CITY'S PLAN FOR THE AREA.
IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT WAS NOT THE PLAN FOR THE AREA FOR COMMERCIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? NO, I THINK JAN COVERED WHAT MY QUESTIONS WERE WITH THE PYROTECHNICS AND THE, UM, I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT IT KILLS.
SO I FEEL THAT THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SURROUNDING TREES, THAT WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
SO I AGREE GETTING CHECKING FURTHER INTO THIS.
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OKAY.SO THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HEAR.
DO WE WANT TO GO WITH A VOTE OR DO WE WANT TO PUSH US ON TO ANOTHER DATE? WELL, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TABLING AND I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY ON A ZONING CHANGE.
VOTER TABLE QUESTION THE QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION, I GUESS.
I MEAN, IF WE TABLE IT AND COME BACK, ANYBODY THAT IS OKAY IF WE'RE OKAY WITH TABLING IT, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT OF CHANGING IT FROM AG TO PLAN COMMERCIAL, POTENTIALLY, WHICH THAT'S WHERE I'M HUNG UP PERSONALLY IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE TABLING, IT WILL CHANGE THAT IT IS A, IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK HONESTLY, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE BUSINESS AFTER HEARING ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL AREA OF BEING ASKED FOR COMMERCIAL USE IS WHERE I'M PERSONALLY, STILL HUNG UP.
AND I WILL SAY FROM WHAT MR. JEFFRIES JUST SAID, A REQUEST TO TABLE IS NOT AN ACCEPTANCE OF ANYTHING.
OH, WELL, I, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WILLING, IF THE MAJORITY IS WILLING TO TABLE, THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO HAVE EMOTIONAL DOING TO TABLE, UH, TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE PYROTECHNICS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN, UM, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL SORT OF SECOND SECOND BY MISS UP SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MR. WALTON, NO MOTION PASSES 401.
IT'S A TABLE PASSES FOUR TO ONE.
SO THIS WILL BE, UM, AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
I WILL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION, UH, THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT AND PRESENT THAT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE WILL ALSO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S NOTIFIED THAT HE WAS NOTIFIED OF THIS MEETING FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IF POSSIBLE IT'S POSSIBLE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
UM, SO NOT MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOTIFIED THIS TIME.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOTIFIED? NEXT TIME? THE, THE CITY STANDARD IS TO NOTIFY 200 FOOT RADIUS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S REQUESTING THE ZONING DISTRICTS SO THAT THAT'S WHAT GETS NOTIFIED AND ANYBODY CAN PASS ON THE INFORMATION TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE SIGNS OUT THERE NOW THAT ON THE PROPERTY TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL.
WOULD YOU HAVE THE OUTSIDE TALK OUTSIDE, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE REMAINED WHERE HAVE A THREE, FOUR MINUTE BREAK HERE IN THE ACTION, BEFORE WE COME BACK TO ANY SHOP
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YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE BRINGING IT GOOD FOR YOU.AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, YOU GET THAT RIGHT THERE.
I'M THINKING SOMEBODY WAS RANDOMLY GOING BY AND WAVE AT THAT.
SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME ACROSS THE STREET
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OKAY.BEFORE WE GO TO OUR NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA, THERE'S A FEW OF YOU.
I THINK THAT CAME IN A LITTLE LATE.
SO I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
I ASK EVERYONE WHO HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN TO STAND AND RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING, HAVE YOU HERE BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, THANK YOU.
AND WHEN THE TIME COMES TO STEP TO THE PODIUM TO TALK, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED YOU MAY HAVE TO SIGN ON THE BACK.
UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT DDC MANAGEMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 172.5 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD VILLAGES OF WESTPORT, A PLAY IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE 21 DASH 35.
UH, THE REQUESTS, THIS NEXT REQUEST IS FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR VILLAGES OF WESTPORT.
THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LEXTON PLACE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS A WEST OF TROY PIKE AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, YEARS AGO, THIS PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR A PROJECT CALLED ROLLING MEADOWS, UH, WHICH WAS FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO THIS, UH, FALLS IN THAT SAME, UH, CATEGORY AND, UH, THE REQUEST IT'S 172.5 ACRES.
AND THE INTENT IS TO BUILD 283 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
SO THAT IS LESS THAN TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THE REQUEST FOR A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, WITH A MAXIMUM OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
SO THIS IS WELL BELOW THAT, UH, THAT NUMBER SANITARIAN WATER WILL CONNECT TO THE CITY'S PUBLIC MAIN SYSTEM.
UH, WATER AND SANTERIA ARE LOCATED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE DRAINAGE WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH PUBLIC STORM SEWER SYSTEM, INCLUDING DETENTION BASINS, AND FOLLOWS THE CITY CODE FOR STORM WATER DRAINAGE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE DRAINAGE WAYS THAT GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND MULTIPLE, UM, DETENTION AREAS, UH, LOCATED THAT WHEN, UH, UH, COLLECT THAT WATER AND THEN FLOW INTO THOSE EXISTING CREEKS.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE, A SMALL WETLANDS AREAS, BUT THOSE ARE IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT BEING DEVELOPED.
UH, SO, UM, AS YOU SEE IN THE PLAN, THERE IS A LOT OF BRAIN SPACE WITH THIS AND A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND A LOT OF BUFFERING TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THEMSELVES.
SO ALL STREETS WILL BE, UH, PUBLIC WITH CURB AND SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
AND ALSO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED TO A 45 FOOT HALF RIGHT OF WAY, SECTION PER THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THERE ARE TWO STYLES OF LOTS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, ALL LOTS OF PROPOSED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 120 FEET IN DEPTH, 25 FOOT, FRONT YARDS, FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS AND 25 FOOT REAR YARDS.
THE TWO STYLES ARE 51 FOOT MINIMUM WITH LANCE AND 70 FOOT MINIMUM WIDTH.
THE TOTAL COUNTS IS 283 LOTS WITH 98 OF THEM BEING THE 70 FOOT LOTS, WHICH THOSE ARE THE SHADED LOTS ON THE PLAN.
SO IT'S MAINLY THE EXTERIOR AND THE ONES THAT, UH, BUTT UP AGAINST A POTENTIAL EXISTING HOMES TO THE, UH, EAST IN THE NORTH.
UM, AND THEN THE SMALLER LOTS ARE LOCATED MORE IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENTS AND THOSE A 185 OF THOSE BEING THOSE 51 FOOT LOTS, THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR 101 AND A HALF ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, OR ALMOST 60% OF THE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT, UH, FOR THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES THAT A MINIMUM OF 25% OF THE SURFACE OF THE FRONT FACADE BE FINISHED WITH BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCTS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE LEXAN PLACE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, FOR THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO, UH, WITH THIS, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY
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COUNCIL AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE FINAL VOTE ON.AND IF IT IS APPROVED, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY WILL COME IN PHASES.
UM, WITH THE DETAILED PLAN BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AS, UH, THE PROPERTY GETS DEVELOPED.
UM, AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN, THERE ARE, UH, THE BASICALLY THREE ACCESS POINTS.
UM, THERE'S TWO OUT ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD AND THEN ONE PROPOSED TO THE NORTH END TO EXISTING STREET NETWORK.
UH, THERE IS, UH, PLENTY OF AREA BETWEEN THE, UH, TO THE NORTH THAT IS, UH, UM, WE'LL CALL IT BUFFER AREA FROM WHERE THE LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED.
AND THEN ALSO THERE IS GREEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THESE LOTS AND THE EAST, WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UM, IN THE, UH, PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, UM, UH, THE STAFF'S PROPOSING THAT A 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE SHALL BE PLACED ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY LINE.
UM, UH, ON THE WEST BOUNDARY LINE.
THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UH, THAT NEED ANY KIND OF BUFFERING TO THE NORTH WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S ALREADY A LARGE AREA BETWEEN THESE HOMES AND THAT NORTH BOUNDARY LINE, BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF PLANNING COMMISSION, WE COULD PUT ANOTHER 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AS WELL.
UM, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THOSE LOTS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, UM, AND SOME OF THE DRAINAGE WAYS THAT, UH, THERE WILL NOT BE, UH, ANYWHERE NEAR THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS WELL? UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 70 FOOT LOTS ARE ALL IN THE REAR AND THAT THOSE WILL BE THE LAST TO BE BAILED.
MY QUESTION IS, DO THEY ALSO HAVE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS? YES.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW FOR LARGER HOMES ON THOSE LOANS.
UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION ON THE BUFFERING WHERE YOU SIT ON THE EAST SIDE, 20 FOOT MINIMUM, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, THEY MAY KNOW MORE, BUT WHEN YOU TALKED ON THE NORTH WHERE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ROOM BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, IS IT SOMETHING, AND IT MUST BE A QUESTION FOR THEM.
I GUESS, SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD LOOK TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, UH, A REALISTIC BUFFERING, WHICH I'D IMAGINE WOULD BE LESS ROAD OR LESS GROUND FOR THEM TO CLEAR, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE WAY THEY GOT TO DO THE BASINS, THERE MIGHT BE STUFF THEY NEED TO CLEAR THAT WE LOOK AT IS JUST TREES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S AN IN OLDER, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD BUDDING UP AGAINST THE NEW ONE, AND YES, IT'S BEEN ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF WE CAN KEEP SOME, SOME BUFFERING, I THINK EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES WOULD BE HAPPY, ARE HAPPIER.
AND THAT NOW WE'LL, UM, TO, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THIS, THERE, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT, UH, HAS GONE THROUGH CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY.
AND THERE IS, UM, IN THE WE'LL CALL IT THE NON DEVELOPABLE IN THAT OPEN SPACE.
THERE IS A PLAN FOR THE CITY TO INSTALL PARKLAND, BUT THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN EXACTLY WORKED OUT EXACTLY WHERE AND WHAT WOULD GO IN THAT PARKLAND.
CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THAT IS? THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT THE EXACT LOCATION HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY WORKED OUT POTENTIALLY IN THE AREA ALONG THE WE'LL CALL IT THE FRONTAGE ON THAT MAIN ACCESS DRIVE, UM, ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, THERE IS ALSO POTENTIAL AT THE REAR, UM, IN, IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, SO THAT THAT'S STILL BEING LOOKED AT ABOUT WHAT THE, THE BEST POTENTIAL IS FOR, UM, ACCESS AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RIGHT FEATURES FOR USE.
UH, THE FACADE OF THE HOMES, NOW, YOU, YOU SAID THERE'LL BE 25%.
IS THAT THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT? WHEN WE FIRST SAW, WHEN THIS WAS ROLLING MEADOWS, THIS, IT WAS, IT CAME IN AS STRAIGHTENED ZONING.
SO IT DID NOT GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AS A PUD, SO IT WOULD FOLLOW.
AND I, AT THE TIME, I'M, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR OR WHETHER THAT WAS THE FULL BRICK RAMP DAYS OR THE, IT COULD BE ALL VINYL DAYS.
UH, THERE, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN IT WAS CLOSE ON THAT TIME PERIOD.
UM, SO IT WAS PROBABLY 15 YEARS AGO OR SO THAT THAT PROPOSAL CAME THROUGH.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WE HADN'T ENACTED THE LATEST MASONRY CODE, UM, THAT, SO I THINK THEY COULD HAVE ALL BEEN
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VITAL AT THAT POINT IN TIME.I WAS JUST WANTING TO ASK, I, I KNOW I READ, IT SAID IT WOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WITHIN THE COMPLEX, WHAT ABOUT OUT ON LIKE CHAMBERSBURG? WILL THERE BE SIDEWALKS? YEAH.
SO IT WILL BE A FULL WIDE SECTION WITH CURB SIDEWALKS, UM, UH, WIDEN SITE SIDEWALKS FOR BIKE PATH.
UM, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF, UM, ALONG CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, UM, THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THERE'S AN APPLICATION BY THE CITY, UH, FOR GRANT FUNDING AND FOR ALL OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
UM, THAT, THAT IS THE INTENT IS A 90 FOOT WIDE SECTION FROM OLD TROY PIKE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CITY LIMITS THAT WILL HAVE, UH, THE FULL WIDE SECTION WITH CURB AND SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
UM, THERE'S STILL ROOM ON THE FRONT OF THIS AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN.
I AM WITH, UH, DDC MANAGEMENT HERE BEFORE YOU DID TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
UM, SCOTT DID A GREAT JOB OF OUTLINING, UM, OUR PROJECT OR PROPOSED PROJECT FOR YOU.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT, ALSO ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO GET SOMETHING THAT REALLY WORKS BOTH FOR THE CITY AND, AND FOR US AS THE DEVELOPER.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, UM, TO ADD TO THAT.
UM, JUST AS SCOTT HAD MENTIONED, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY UNDER THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO OUTLINE THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD BE DONATED TO THE CITY FOR PART SPACE.
PART OF THAT AREA IS, UH, SOME FRONTAGE UP THERE AND CHAMBERSBURG ROAD ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THERE AS WELL, AND THEN A PART IN THE BACK SO THAT THE CITY COULD HAVE A PUBLIC PARK THERE AND HAVE SOME TRAIL CONNECTIVITY AS IS OUR UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE'RE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT, AND I THINK WE'RE REAL CLOSE TO, TO SOLVING THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE MR. BARCO, GO AHEAD.
HOW MANY PHASES DO YOU PLAN? RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS PLANNED, I BELIEVE TO BE FOUR PHASES.
AND DO YOUR, YOUR COMMENT, UM, MR. VARGO EARLIER, UM, WE WOULD PLAN TO BRING SOME OF THE 70 FOOTERS ON AND SOME OF THE 51 FOOTERS IN EACH PHASE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT, SO THAT HOMEOWNERS OR HOME BUYERS HAVE THAT OPTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO PRODUCTS, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SONY CASE? OKAY, SORRY.
UM, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY LIGHTING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT STREET LIGHTING STREET LIGHTING? SO, SO THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT WE USUALLY SEE IN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S THE STANDARD TALL STREETLIGHTS, UH, YOUR, YOUR I'LL CALL IT D P AND L.
NOW WHAT AES STREETLIGHTS OR THE INDIVIDUAL, LOTS OF THE, UM, THAT HAVE ON EVERY SINGLE LOT, YOU HAVE A SMALL OR DECORATIVE POLE LIGHT.
UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
BUT YES, LIGHTING IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE IN THE SUBDIVISION.
BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE STREET LIGHTS GOING DOWN CHAMBERSBURG.
AND NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WITH THE WIDENING PROJECT THAT, UH, IS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND WITH IT BEING OUT IN THE DARK AREA.
IT'S GOING TO BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITH, UH, WITH THESE HOMES AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE PRICE OF THESE HOMES? ALL RIGHT.
YES, THERE'LL BE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, WHICH WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE COMMON AREAS, THE DETENTION BASINS, ANY SIGNAGE, UH, LANDSCAPING, ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THE
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PRICE RANGE.I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN ME.
UM, AS, AS FAR AS PRESSURE IS CONCERNED, IT'S GOING TO BE MARKED MARKET SPECIFIC AT THE TIME THAT THIS IS BUILT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MID TWOS TO LOWER 300 LEVEL.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ALRIGHT, CHUCK CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, DDC MANAGEMENT FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD PARCEL NUMBERS PIECE 70 DASH 0 4 0 0 8 DASH 0 0 0 6 AND P 70 DASH 0 4 0 0 8 0 0 0 4 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 35 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY.
MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. MS. FARGO? YES.
UH, THIS DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT AND WE WILL NOTIFY OF WHAT THOSE DATES ARE.
NEXT ITEM, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, THE ANNEX GROUP IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 20 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE FOR 216 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A PLAN THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE 21 DASH 34, MR. FALKOWSKI.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, AN OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEHIND THE KEY BANK.
AND THERE CURRENTLY IS A COUPLE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN OLD OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS, UM, AND THERE'S A LARGE POND IN THE MIDDLE AND SEVERAL DRAINAGE WAYS THAT, UH, GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING HOUSE DOWN ON THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD THAT ALSO IS, UH, LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO IT'S A 20 ACRES AND, UH, THE REQUEST IS TO, UH, CONSTRUCT TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO HUNDRED SIXTEEN MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
UM, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, BUT MULTIFAMILY WOULD FIT AS A POTENTIAL USE IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO THE, THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP VERY WELL ON THE SCREEN, BUT, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE PROJECT IS FOR, UH, SIX MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WE MULTISTORY AND HAVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, ACCESS POINTS, UH, IN THREE PLACES.
UH, THERE'S UH, AN EXISTING ACCESS POINTS THAT IS LOCATED IN ON OLD TROY PIKE THAT, UH, ALSO HAS AN EASEMENT THAT GOES DOWN TO THE BANK PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING A, ANOTHER ACCESS POINT TO THE NORTH OF THAT ON A OLD TROY PIKE.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, DUE TO JUST SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY KNOW THEIR ACCESS POINTS OUT ONTO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS A PROPER, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS ALL OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UH, W IN THE INTERIOR, UM, DRIVE NETWORK DOES GO AROUND ALL THESE BUILDINGS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING, UH, WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS, UH, THE, UH, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AND ALL OF THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S, UH, IN THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY LOOKED AT THEIR INITIAL COMMENTS WERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UH, IS AVAILABLE AND THEY HAVE MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WITH THIS PLANT ITSELF, SANITARY AND WATER WILL CONNECT INTO THE CITY'S PUBLIC MAIN SYSTEM LOCATED ON OLD TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG ROAD DRAINAGE WILL BE HANDLED THROUGH PUBLIC STORM SEWER SYSTEM, INCLUDING DETENTION BASINS, FOLLOWING THE CITY'S CODE FOR STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, DRAINAGE WAYS THAT CROSS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY IN A LARGE POND, BUT THERE ARE ALSO, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, STORM WATER DETENTION AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HANDLE ALL THE WATER CORRECTLY ON SITE.
UM, THE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION
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IS THAT CHAMBERSBURG ROAD SHALL ALSO BE IMPROVED TO A 45 FOOT HALF RIGHT OF WAY, SECTION PER THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND KURT, INCLUDING CURBS AND SIDEWALKS.THERE'S ALREADY A PORTION OF THAT THAT DOES HAVE THE SIDEWALKS AND THE CURB WHERE THERE'S A CULVERT CROSSING.
UM, BUT, UH, DOWN TO THE EAST, UH, WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THAT GETS EXTENDED AND BUILT UP TO CITY STANDARDS.
THE, UH, PARKING CODE FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS TWO SPACES, PURGE WELLING UNITS.
UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING 322 PARKING SPACES WITH 14 OF THOSE BEING ADA ACCESSIBLE.
SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT OUR STANDARD CODE IS, UM, FOR, UM, THE NUMBER OF SPACES FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THE SIX BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED WITH 36 UNITS IN EACH BUILDING.
THE BUILDINGS ARE ALL THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT, AND, UH, THEY, UH, ARE PROPOSED TO BE SIMPLY BE TOO FAR THIS TIME, I'LL GET THIS RIGHT ONE DAY, UH, SO THAT THE BUILDINGS HAVE IN ALL CITED LOOK.
UM, BUT SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, THERE'LL BE, UH, A MINIMUM OF 25% BRICK OR STONE, UH, TO BE PLACED ON THESE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
UM, SO THE, UM, ONE THING THAT CAME THROUGH THAT WE JUST RECEIVED, UH, BASICALLY OVER THE WEEKEND.
SO THIS DID NOT MAKE IT INTO YOUR PACKETS IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, AND I DID QUICKLY GO THROUGH IT.
UM, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS IS THE, UH, SOUTHERN ACCESS POINTS, UH, WHICH ALSO IS THAT EXISTING ACCESS POINT ON OLD TROY PIKE BA RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, UH, UH, ACCESS POINTS AS TURNING LEFT OUT OF THERE ON OLD TROY PIKE, CERTAIN TIMES OF DAY IS KIND OF HARD TO DO AS, UH, BACKS UP THERE ON THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
SO, UM, WE WOULD, UH, ALSO, UH, HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL WITH THIS.
SO, UM, WE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, THIS RIGHT-HAND OUT, YOU SAID CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
I'M SORRY IF I DID OLD TROY PIKE, THE EXISTING ONE, THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, WHY ARE THERE NOT THE APPROPRIATE PARKING SPACES? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ADDRESS.
UM, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DISCUSS HOW THEIR PLAN IS AND, UM, WHAT THEIR, UM, TYPICAL USE IS AND THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UH, THIS IS JUST BASED ON UNITS IS WAY OUR CODE IS SO THERE, UM, THE, THE PLAN ITSELF, UH, THERE IS PARKING AROUND EACH BUILDING, UM, ADDING SPACES IN AN AREA THAT THERE'S ROOM TO ADD MORE SPACES FURTHER AWAY FROM BUILDINGS THAT MAY NOT MAKE AS MUCH SENSE, UM, BECAUSE OF FURTHER WALK AREAS FOR COLON VISITORS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, IN THE DRAWING THAT SHOWS IN THE CORNER OF CHAMBERSBURG AND TROY WHERE THE BANK BUILDING IS, WHAT WHAT'S WITH THAT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS.
THE BANK IS EXISTING ON A SEPARATE PARCEL, SO THE BANK WILL STAY AND HAVE THEIR SEPARATE USE THAT AS A SEPARATE PROPERTY.
WILL THERE STILL BE ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO? YES, YES.
SO, SO SCOTT, UH, WHERE THE BANK SITS, UM, IN THE APART, THE OLD OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE AT, WHEN THAT COMES DOWN, WHAT'S GOING TO DIVIDE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT VERSUS THE BANK'S PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THAT I'M GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
SO THE DRIVE WILL STILL BE THERE.
SO AS YOU COME OFF, DRIVE A DRIVE THAT COMES DOWN, UH, THEIR PROPOSAL IS FOR A DETENTION BASIN TO BE LOCATED IN THAT AREA ABOUT WHERE THOSE, UH, UM, THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE NOW.
AND AS THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WHEN THIS COMES BACK, UH, IF APPROVED, UM, FOR A DETAILED PLAN, THEY'LL HAVE A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN AS WELL.
THE SURROUNDING USES ARE ALL, UM, UH, EITHER, UH, MULTI-FAMILY NOW, SO THERE'S NOT A BUFFER REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THOSE KIND OF USES MR. JEFFREY ON THE ROAD COMING IN,
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I GUESS, THE SOUTHERN AND THE RIGHT END RIGHT OUT THE SOUTHERN CUTTING ON 2 0 2 THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO THE BANK.IS THAT ROAD LOOKING AT HEAVEN, SOME NEW WORK DONE TO WIDEN IT OR ANYTHING TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS EXIT ONLY IF YOU GO DRIVING OUT OF THERE, AND THIS WILL BECOME AN ENTRANCE X.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE WE NEED TO WIDEN IT.
OR IF THERE'S PLANS FOR THAT, WITH THE FINAL DESIGN IN THE DETAILED PLANS, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A FULLY ACCESSIBLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES SO THAT THE RIGHT WIDTH TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN AMBULANCE FIRETRUCK CAN GET IN THERE AS WELL.
SO IT'LL BE PROPERLY DESIGNED FOR THAT AND THEY WILL BE REDOING THAT ROAD, BUT THAT'S MARKED.
AND THEN ON THE PARKING SPACES, I DIDN'T SEE IN HERE, I MEAN, ARE WE, WHICH THIS MIGHT BE FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, WHAT ARE WE STICKING TO THE 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES IN THIS CASE? YES.
THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? UH, GOOD EVENING.
I AM THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, UM, FROM THE ANNEX GROUP.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN, SCOTT, FOR THE DETAILED OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE'VE, UH, BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH THE SITE AND TALKING WITH THE CITY, UH, FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, UM, THAT IS KIND OF BASED ON, UH, JUST GENERAL FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TONIGHT, I AM HERE FOR ANY FURTHER FEEDBACK.
SPARGO CAN YOU TELL ME THE SIZE OF THE APARTMENTS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOMS ARE ALL OF THE ABOVE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A MIX OF ONES, TWOS AND THREES.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICS, UM, 65, 1 BEDROOMS, 106, TWO BEDROOMS, AND FORTY-FIVE THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
AND THOSE VARY FROM BETWEEN 700 SQUARE FEET TO, UH, 1100 SQUARE FEET.
AND CAN YOU ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE THAT YES.
SO TYPICALLY IN OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WE HAVE A 1.5 PARKING RATIO.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT CENSUS TRACK DATA FOR THE AVERAGE, UM, PARKING RATIO, UH, IN THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA.
SO WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER THAT.
UM, SO JUST TYPICALLY IN OUR PROJECTS, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE, BUT IT'S BELOW WHAT ARE WELL, IT'S BLOW OUR STANDARD CITY CODE.
SO A RECOMMENDATION CAN BE SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE.
IF SO, GARAGES, IT'S ALL PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS RIGHTS.
AND YOU, YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES? WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? IS THERE, IS THERE ROOM TO ADD PARKING SPACES? I THINK THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR SOME EXPANSION.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE MS. BERT AND THE HANDICAP PARKING? UM, SINCE THE SPACES ARE NARROW NARROWER, UH, ARE THE HANDICAP SPACES WIDER BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS IN A HANDICAPPED VAN OR EVEN MANEUVERING IN AND OUT TO GET A WHEELCHAIR, THEY NEED MORE ROOM IN ORDER TO, TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUT.
SO VAN ACCESSIBLE SPACES WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, BE 10 FOOT WIDE AND THEN HAVE THE STRIPED AREA NEXT TO IT.
UM, THAT TYPICALLY IS 10 FOOT WIDE AS WELL.
SO TYPICALLY YOU HAVE LIKE THREE PARKING SPACES FOR TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES.
UM, SO THAT'LL COME OUT IN THE FINAL DESIGN, EXACT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THOSE.
UH, BUT, UH, THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT, UH, UH, WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR NUMBER OF SPACES, WHICH THE, OUR STANDARD IS BASED ON THE OVERALL NUMBER FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND, UM, DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, BUT FOR LIKE, IF YOU HAVE 25,
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THEN YOU NEED ONE AND AS IT GOES UP, YOU NEED MORE AND MORE LIKE A FOUR, IF YOU HAVE AN OVERALL A HUNDRED SPACES, YOU NEED FOUR OF THEM TO BE, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE.AND, AND THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR, OKAY, SO THESE BUILDINGS ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ELEVATORS, UH, THE APP, THEY DO NOT, THEY DO NOT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT THE UNITS THAT ANY GOOD PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN TO THE GROUND FLOOR.
I THAT'S, FOR ONES THAT CANNOT DO STAIRS, CORRECT? YEAH.
SINCE THERE ARE STAIRS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE NEED FOR LESS OF THE HANDICAP PARKING.
DID YOU SAY THAT THE, THE NORMAL SPACES ARE GOING TO BE NARROWER? NO.
10 FOOT WIDE SPACES AS PERS STAY IN THE CITY.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDN'T NEED AS MANY BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE DRAWN IF YOU WERE HANDICAPPED TO THE STAIRS.
ANYWAYS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CITY AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR A NUMBER OF SPACES THAT, UH, WILL HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED AND THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION QUESTION? I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M HESITANT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WHEN WE GOT A 44 PAGE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT NONE OF US SAW UNTIL WE CAME IN TONIGHT, PLUS YOU GUYS ARE, BUT I'D HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I'M HOPING EVERYTHING IN THERE IS FINE AND ALL THAT, BUT WE'VE SEEN STUFF IN STRIVING STUDIES BEFORE THAT DID CALL TO ACTION, CERTAIN UPDATES.
SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE SO-SO ONE.
THE, THE, THE ANSWER IS, YES, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, YOU COULD ADD ANOTHER, UM, CONDITION TO THE DECISION RECORD THAT THEY FOLLOW ANY RECOMMENDATION IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT'S PROVIDED.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT MY QUICK LOOK THROUGH THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS, BUT IF THEY RECOMMENDED WIDEN TO A NINE LANE HIGHWAY, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW IT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT, BUT WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT YOU RECALL? SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT I SAW IS, YOU KNOW, THE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THE ROADWAYS IS HOW EASY IT IS TO DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
AND WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE VERSUS WHAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND THE LEVEL OF SURFACE F IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING BASICALLY.
AND THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT PUSH ANY LEVEL INTO, UM, AN AREA THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT DUE TO, UH, THE STORAGE LANE OF THE TURN ON TO CHAMBERSBURG AND WHERE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT NO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION.
AND MY PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE THE, THE CHAMBERSBURG EXIT DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
AND THEN COMING OUT ON THE 2 0 2 SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY, LOOKING AT IT AND FEAR, WHICH THEY TOOK OUT THE LEFT TURN, BUT TURNING LEFT, YOU'RE KIND OF BLIND FROM TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE RIGHT OVER THE HILL.
WHICH IS THE WRITING RIGHT OUT PAYMENTS THAT, AND THEN ON CHAMBERSBURG, THAT'S THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS THAT IT GETS WIDE INTO THE STANDARD PLAN WITH THAT HANDLES THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE ON CHAMBERSBURG FOR THAT ACCESS POINT.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ADD THAT THE BOURBON SHIT YOU JUST SAID.
SO, UM, I THINK OF THE RIGHT WORDING HERE, ALL OF THAT APPLICANT, SHELL IMPLEMENT AND YEAH.
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FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DATED OCTOBER, 2021.THANK YOU, APPLICANT SHALL IMPLE IMPLEMENT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DATED OCTOBER, 2021? SOUNDS GOOD.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, THE ANNEX GROUP FOR A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 65 0 2 OLD TROY PIKE, PARCEL NUMBER P SEVEN ZERO DASH 0 4 0 0 4 DASH 0 0 0 3 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 34 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED, UM, MOVED BY MS. BARGO.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS ONE AS WELL, WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE DATES ARE FOR THE WORK SESSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT JP MORGAN CHASE BANK IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, 4.96 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 33.
SO THIS IS FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PARCEL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SPLIT, UM, AT THE, UH, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL CORNER PIECE AS JUST UNDER ONE ACRE ITSELF.
SO PREVIOUSLY THE DRIVE NETWORK WAS APPROVED AND WE HAD THE MULTIFAMILY AREA APPROVED AND THE, UH, DISCOUNT TIRE STORE WAS APPROVED.
SO THIS USE IS, UH, UH, REQUESTED IS FOR A BANK AND, UH, IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL, UH, USES, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION ON ONE DAY, BE ABLE TO THIS, UM, UH, A NEW 4,085 SQUARE FOOT CHASE BANK FACILITY.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE PLAN MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE, UH, BUILDING IS MADE UP OF CAST STONE, DIFFERENT SHADES OF FIBER CEMENT PANELS AND ALUMINUM COMPOSITE MATERIAL IS GOOD MIX OF COLORS AND DEPTH TO THE BUILDING.
TOTAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS 21 FEET, SIX INCHES, AND THEN THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS PROPOSED TO BE MADE OF MASON OR MATERIALS TO MATCH THE BUILDING AND HAVE GATES AT THE FRONT.
THE, UH, SITE ITSELF, UM, IS, UH, DOES HAVE A UTILITY ACCESS TO THE SITE.
SO SANITARIAN WATER WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STORM DRAINAGE FLOWS INTO THE STORM WATER NETWORK THAT GOES TO THE EXISTING, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION AREA LOCATED, UH, OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT, UH, UM, IS, UH, THE OLD GRAVEL PIT AREA THAT, UH, HANDLES THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SO THE BUILDING IS 86 FEET FROM OLD TROY PIKE, RIGHT OF WAY AND 90 FEET FROM THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE BUILDING IN THIS LOCATION IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PROVIDED FROM OLD TROY PIKE AND TO THE NORTH, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SO PARKING IS AS FOLLOWS FOR A FINANCIAL ESTABLISHMENT BANK OR SAVINGS AND LOAN ASSOCIATION, ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS
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FLOOR AREA.PLUS ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE ON THE LARGEST WORK SHIFT WAS FIVE STACKING SPACES PER DRIVE IN WINDOW OR DRIVE THROUGH MACHINE.
SO THEY DO HAVE THE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH AREA FOR THAT STACKING WITHIN THE SITE BY CODE 30 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THEY ARE PROVIDING 37 PARKING SPACES.
SO THEY HAVE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT'S.
OUR STANDARD CODE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, TWO OF THOSE WOULD BE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE AND THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR 10 FOOT WITH PARKING SPACES, UM, THE SIGNAGE ALL THE YEARS, THE, UH, THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING THAT SHOWS THE DEPTH AND THE DIFFERENCE OF THE, UH, THE COLORS AND MATERIALS THAT, UH, GIVE THIS A, A, A GOOD LOOK AT THE CORNER, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH AREA LOCATED BACK TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, SIGNAGE, AS YOU SEE, THE REQUEST IS FOR ALL FOUR SIDES TO HAVE THE, UH, THE CHASE, UH, NAME AND LOGO, UM, AND THE, UH, TOTAL SIGN AREA FOR THE FOUR SIGNS PER OUR STANDARD COACH ARE EXCEED 150 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND, UM, NO GROUND SIGN WILL BE APPROVED THIS LOCATION, UH, THAT, UH, YOU ONLY YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT CASE.
THERE'S A MASTER PLAN FOR SIGNAGE, UH, FOR EACH, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IN TWO LOCATIONS.
PLUS ANOTHER SIGN AT THE CORNER HERE, UM, THAT IS NOT BRAND RELATED TO, UH, CHASE BANK ITSELF.
LANDSCAPING, UH, LANDSCAPING IS BEING PROVIDED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITES LANDSCAPING CONSISTS OF CITY WAS TREES, EVERGREEN TREES, SHRUBS, GRASSES, PERENNIALS, UH, STAFF WILL RECOMMEND ADDING OF AUTUMN FANTASY MAPLE TREES ALONG OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AS THAT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED, UH, WITH THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED IN HERE FOR THE DISCOUNT TIRE STORE, SO THAT WE HAVE MATCHING STREETSCAPE, UH, FOR THE TYPES OF TREES.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THOSE, UM, AND THE SIMILAR SPACING, UM, ALONG TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, MY NAME IS ERIN
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.
SCOTT PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING.
I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO, TO ADD THOSE TREES.
IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A UNIFIED LANDSCAPE ALONG THAT ROAD.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. BARGA GO RIGHT AHEAD.
WILL YOU CLOSE YOUR CHASE BANK ON WHAT'S IT ON CHAMBERSBURG BURKE, JP MORGAN CHASE BANK.
WE'RE NOT SURE AT THIS TIME, WHAT DID HE SAY? THEY'RE NOT SURE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
COULD YOU SIGN IN SIR? YOUR NAME? COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR? SETH BURKE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
MA'AM WOULD YOU SIGN IN ALSO? OKAY.
UH, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE OLD HUBER HOME IS ON THAT CORNER AND SAID THE HOUSE THAT'S THE OVERALL LOCATION.
FURTHER WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE INTERIOR SIDEWALK OR SIDEWALK ALONG THE, I IMAGINE THERE'D BE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WALKS FROM THOSE APARTMENTS TO THE STORES DOWN THERE.
AND SO ALONG TAYLORSVILLE AND ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE, THOSE ARE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS, RIGHT.
UM, SHOULD LOOK INTO DOING LIKE THE EIGHT FOOT BIKE PATH SLASH SIDEWALK THERE.
IT WOULD MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? THANK YOU.
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GOOD.IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY JP MORGAN CHASE BANK IN A AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, AN OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 33 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
MOVED BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS VARGA SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1.10 ACRES FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 32.
THAT IS, UH, JUST A COUPLE LOTS TO THE NORTH OF THIS THAT, UH, IS, UH, PART OF THE OVERALL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT FOR A RETAIL CENTER, UH, WITH MULTIPLE UNITS IN IT, UH, THE, UH, THIS LOT ITSELF IS 1.1 ACRES AND ALSO IS, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THAT PLANT MIXED USE.
SO THE RETAIL USE IS AN APPROVED USE WITHIN THAT, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, UH, THE OVERALL OR THE, UH, PROPOSAL CALLS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 11,050 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL FACILITY AND THE, UH, UTILITIES FOR THE SITE, SAME AS THE LAST ONE CONNECT, UH, TO THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. AND THEN DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THIS BUILDING IS WHERE THAT EXISTING RETENTION AREA IS THAT A STORM WATER FLOW WOULD GO TO, UH, THE, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING IS MADE UP OF DIFFERENT SHADES OF BRICK AND DIFFERENT SHADES OF
THERE'S A GOOD MIX OF COLORS AND DEPTH TO THIS BUILDING AS WELL.
TOTAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS 20 FEET, EIGHT INCHES DUMPSTER AND CLOSURES PROPOSED TO BE MADE OF MASONRY MATERIALS TO MATCH THE BUILDING AND HAVE GATES AT THE FRONT, UH, THE GO TO BACK TO THE SITE.
SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 86 FEET FROM THE OLD TROY PIKE RIGHT AWAY.
UH, BUILDING IN THIS LOCATION IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SHOULD BE PROVIDED FROM OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THIS, UH, SITE ALSO HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, PORTION LOCATED AT THE NORTH SIDE, UH, FOR ANY POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL USE PARKING IS AS FOLLOWS FOR A SPECIALTY RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, SPECIALLY FOOD STORE, PERSONAL SERVICE AND COMMERCIAL CENTER SHOPPING CENTER, ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 200 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA, LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET AND ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA GREATER THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET, EXCEPT THAT COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT USES AND COMMERCIAL CENTERS SHALL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING AS IN A DIFFERENT AREA.
THIS DOES NOT, THAT PORTION DOES NOT APPLY HERE.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THINGS LIKE MOVIE THEATERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO BY CODE 46 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THEY ARE PROPOSING 36 PARKING SPACES, UH, WITH TWO BEING HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.
UM, THE, THIS PROPOSAL ALSO CALLS FOR NINE FOOT WITH PARKING SPACES WHILE THE CITY STANDARD IS 10 FOOT WIDE SPACES, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE STICK TO THE 10 FOOT PARKING SPACES ON ALL THESE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
UM, THE UTILITIES SIGNAGE, THEY PROVIDED A SIGNAGE PACKAGE.
UH, SO ONE, UM, THE, UH, SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT WOULD COME BACK AS A MINOR CHANGE ABOUT HOW EACH INDIVIDUAL UNITS WILL BE SIGNED.
BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLES ON THE BUILDING OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S BASED ON FRONT EDGE OF UNITS OF HOW THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WORKS, BUT THE, UH, THE OVERALL SIGNAGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, UH, SINAI IS LOCATED AT THE NEW SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION IS PLANNED TO BE 16 FEET, EIGHT INCHES TALL, 12 FEET WIDE, BE A MULTITENANT SIGN.
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BIT LESS THAN WHAT OUR STANDARD CODE IS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS.THE NEXT SIGN SIGNED B WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
THIS MULTITENANT SIGNS PROPOSED TO BE 14 FEET, TWO INCHES TALL, AND NINE FEET WIDE.
AND THEN FINALLY SIGNED C LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, PROPOSED TO BE FIVE FEET TALL AND 14 FEET WIDE.
THAT SIGN IS JUST A KEYWORD HEIGHTS SIGN, NOT A MULTITENANT SIGN BEING PROPOSED LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPING'S BEING PROVIDED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITE, UM, HAS THE SAME THING.
AND THEN, UH, STAFF HAS THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE TO UTILIZE THE AUTUMN FANTASY MAPLE TREES TO CONTINUE THAT STREETSCAPE.
SO, UM, THE PARKING SPACES, I KNOW THAT'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF 10 BETWEEN WHAT OUR CODE STATES AND WHAT THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS.
UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT AND SOME OPTIONS.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SPACES LOCATED IN EACH OTHER APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS, UM, THAT COULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, UM, BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE OTHER PROPERTIES WITH COMMON PARKING STANDARDS.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER A QUESTION, THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL, WHERE IS THE INGRESS EAGER? IS THERE IN GREASY GRIST ON TWO OH PIPE? SO FOR THIS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS AN ACCESS POINT THAT IS RIGHT OUT ONLY AND FULL ACCESS IN TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, AND THEN BEHIND THIS BUILDING IS THAT MAIN ACCESS POINT THAT GOES OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD OR TO THE NORTH TO GO TO THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
SO THERE'S BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, OH, AND THEN IN THE FRONT, THERE'S THE ACCESS POINT THAT WOULD LINK TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL, UH, WHAT'S LABELED AT THIS POINT, WHICH WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE OFFICIAL SUBMITTAL.
UM, BUT FOR THE, UH, QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT, I'LL SEND THIS AS A DETAILED PLAN.
UH, I REALLY LIKED THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, BUT DO THEY ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MANY TENANTS WILL BE IN THAT BUILDING AT THIS TIME? I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T.
SO WILL THE BUILDING CHANGE LOOKS, THERE IS EIGHT UNITS THAT'S, UH, BEING PROPOSED EIGHT UNITS WITHIN THIS BUILDING.
AND EACH ENTRANCE IS NOT, THEY'RE NOT ALL ENTRANCES IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE ENTRANCES ON THE SIDE.
SO THERE'S POTENTIAL ON THE ENDS ON THE END CAPS DO HAVE, UH, UM, THOSE LOOK LIKE LARGER SPACES THAT COULD HAVE ACCESS POINTS ON THE ENDS.
AND THERE ARE NOT SPECIFIC USERS FOR EACH OF THESE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING IS THE BUILDING.
AND THEN JUST LIKE ANY TYPICAL RETAIL BUILDING, THEY WILL LEASE OUT TO COMMERCIAL USES.
MR. JEFFERY'S, OKAY, GO OUT ON THE SIDES.
AND THIS MIGHT JUST BE MORE FOR THEM, BUT BEING THAT THESE ARE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WALLS, BUT THEY'RE NOT PILLARS THAT ARE UP AND GIVEN VISUAL CLEARANCE, HOW FAR OFF OF THE CURB ARE THESE GOING TO BE SET? SO IF I'M COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND TURNING, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN MY FREE FROM OBSTRUCTION TO SEE TRAFFIC ONCOMING IN THE INSIDE EXPRESS LANE, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED.
THEY ARE, UH, 15 FEET OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD CODE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING, UH, MIKE CAST TOLEDO WITH A BROAD REACH RETAIL.
IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
UM, I WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST ANSWER IT, MS. VARGAS, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE RETAIL BUILDING.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TENS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE BUILDING.
IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS TWO OR THREE PENDING ON WHAT USER, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR MARKETING EFFORTS FOR THE BUILDING, UM, IT IS INTENDED THAT THE ENTRANCES ARE ALL ON THE
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FRONT, THAT THERE ARE NO ON THE SIDES.ALTHOUGH WE DID WRAP THE SIDES WITH STOREFRONT GLASS TO ALLOW MORE NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE BUILDINGS.
AND YES, AS SCOTT SAID, THE ONE END CAP, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM ELEVATION ON THE SCREEN, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW THAT'S INDICATED ON THAT PLAN.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE INTENT THERE IS FOR THE BUILDING DESIGN, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL RETAIL BUILDING YOU'D ENTER ALL FROM THE FRONT STOREFRONT GLASS.
AND NO MATTER THE BUILDING'S DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT IF IT IS TWO OR EIGHT TENANTS, IT WILL LOOK LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S JUST THE, THE BAYS ARE EQUALLY DIVIDED AND IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO LEASE IT BETTER.
AND IF YOU ONLY HAVE THREE TENANTS TO FILL IT UP, HOW WILL IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT? UH, OTHER THAN YOU JUST HAVE THREE TENANT SIGNS ON IT AND THE STOREFRONT WITH THEIR STOREFRONT CONSIST OF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO OR THREE BAYS OF THE BUILDING, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE SPACE THEY TAKE.
UM, ALSO LIKE TO ADD YOU DON'T, WE WILL, UH, WE TALKED WITH, UH, STAFF ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES.
WE'RE HAPPY, UH, TO MAKE, UM, THE PARKING SPACES, 10 FOOT WIDE.
THIS PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, BEING CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUR PROCESS AT THIS WIDTH AT THE NINE FOOT.
UM, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE 10, WE CAN STILL ACCOMMODATE THE 36 THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON THIS PARCEL AT 10 FOOT WIDE.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE WILL BE AN REA DOCUMENT BETWEEN ALL OF THE PARCEL USES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL ALLOW CROSS ACCESS AND EASEMENTS FROM EACH PARCEL.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE THE PARCELS ALL ALONG ULTRA PIKE, THERE'S PLUS, OR MINUS 156 SPACES THERE, AND, UM, THERE'S ONLY 147 REQUIRED PER THE CODE.
SO WE DO EXCEED THE CODE IN TERMS OF THE PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE CODE WITH A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND ALSO WHAT THEY CALL PROXIMITY OF USES AND JOINT USES TOGETHER.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFRIES ON THE PARKING SPACE COUNT YOU JUST GAVE, ARE YOU INCLUDING THE DISCOUNT TIRE PARKING LOT? YES, BECAUSE THEY TOLD US THEY BELIEVED THEY NEEDED MORE THAN OUR CODE.
I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT, BUT I KNOW WHAT THE CODE IS.
I KNOW HOW MANY THEY HAVE, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THEY HAD EXTRAS IN THAT CONVERSATION.
CAUSE THEY DID EXCEED THE CODE BY QUITE A BIT.
AND THEY SAID, ACTUALLY, THEY BELIEVE THEY NEED IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DROP-OFFS.
SO MY CONCERN WAS THE 10 FOOT SPACES AND THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF SPACES, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THESE BEFORE, THAT WAS MY CONCERN IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS PRESSING TOO MUCH INTO ONE SPACE TO NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AT ALL.
AND WE SAY, WE WOULD BE VIEWING THESE AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS, NOT COMBINING USES.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE GOING TO THE 10 FOOT.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO STICK TO THE 10 FOOT SPACES THROUGHOUT BECAUSE THE APARTMENTS WERE TENS.
THE CHASE BANK IS 10, THE DISCOUNT TIRES 10, I THINK CONSISTENTLY HAVING 10 FOOT SPACES JUST MAKES SENSE AND IT'S A MORE COMFORTABLE VISIT, I THINK.
AND YES, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT COMFORTABLE VISIT FOR OUR SHOPPERS.
UM, ALSO ADD, YOU KNOW, AS THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE SAID, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC HERE, SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE ALL VEHICLES.
UM, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, AND I BELIEVE WE ALL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH ALL THE PARCELS HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES, THE MAKING 36 SPACES FIT AT THE 10 FOOT WIDTH.
IS THAT USING JUST THIS PARCEL? YES.
NOT EXPANDING INTO ANY OF THE OTHER ONES.
AND IS THERE ANY ABILITY OR ROOM BASED ON THE DESIGN FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING OR ANYTHING AT THE REAR OR IS THAT MORE FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING AND DUMPSTER THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AS FAR AS ACCESS POINTS, OUR PLAN WAS TO KEEP IT AS LOADING AND UNLOADING AND DUMPSTER AND TRACK UP, YOU KNOW, DROP-OFFS FOR DELIVERIES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ONCE? RIGHT.
SO NOT, NOT A QUESTION, I GUESS, MORE OF A, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION AS WE MOVE INTO THE RESTAURANTS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN AS WELL.
UH, IF WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE WE'RE CUTTING WITH AND NUMBERS OF SPACES BELOW WHAT WE NEED, I, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE SURPRISED IF THIS COMES BACK UP AGAIN IN THE NEXT STAGES OF WHOEVER THAT IS.
AND THEN AS WAS MENTIONED, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE GLOBAL SCALE, THERE ARE MORE SPACES OVER.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE POINT OF WHERE THE TIRE STORE SAID, THEY NEED MORE AT TIMES THERE'S OTHERS THAT SAY THEY NEED LESS, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE SURPRISES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
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THANK YOU, SIR.ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, I'M JAMES STEWART.
CAN I SEE THAT SLIDE WITH THE SIGNS, THE GROUND SIGNS? WHAT'S THE HYPHEN THAT WAS SIGNED.
SO B SIGN A IS 16 FEET, EIGHT INCHES TALL.
THE SIGN B IS 14 FEET, TWO INCHES TALL, AND A SIGN C IS FIVE FEET TALL.
AND WE'RE IN THE CODE IS ALLOW THOSE WELL, THIS IS A PUD.
SO WHATEVER PLANNING COMMISSION DEEMS APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR A SHOPPING CENTER SIGN I CAN TAKE THIS LATER.
MY POINT WAS THAT IT'S ALL AN AWFUL LOT OVER SIX FEET.
AND IF YOUR CITY IS ASKING FOR IN GENERAL SIX FEET, WHY IS EVEN A PUD ALLOWED TO GO THAT MY TROVER SIX FEET, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IF YOU'RE STANDARDIZING YOUR WHOLE CITY AND EVERYONE ELSE DOWN TO SIX FEET, WHY ARE THERE CERTAIN AREAS OF CERTAIN PEOPLE ALLOWED TO GO DOUBLE THAT I COULD SEE 17, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD A LOT OF TENANTS IN IT OR SOMETHING, IT JUST SEEMS OUTRAGEOUS.
SO IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THESE AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE SIX FOOT TALL, BUT THERE'S A SPECIFIC PART OF THE CODE THAT FOR A SHOPPING CENTER FOR A MULTITENANT SIGN, THE ALLOWANCE FOR LARGER SIGN, BUT NOT HAVING THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUAL ONES.
SO REDUCING THE OVERALL NUMBER.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE SIGN CODE IT'S IN THERE, UM, BURIED SOMEWHERE.
IT MIGHT BE IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SIGNS.
IT'S A 11 89 0 5 H UM, THEY, UH, LET'S SEE SUCH A SIGN SHALL NOT EXCEED A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF SIGN AREA PER FACE, SUCH AS SIGN SHALL NOT EXCEED 25 FEET IN HEIGHT AND SHALL BE 15 FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND SHALL BE ON PREMISES ASSIGNED.
SO IF I HAVE SOMEONE THAT NEEDS A BIGGER SIGN, THEY JUST HAVE TO BE IN A PUD, NOT NECESSARILY AT A PUD IN A MAJOR SHOPPING CENTER, PEANUT DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN A PUD PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE APPROVED CERTAIN SIGNS FOR CERTAIN REASONS.
IF THE, IF THE GROUND FALLS OFF THAT GROUND LEVEL TO GET IT SIX FEET ABOVE CURB LEVEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A LOT OF PLACES, THAT'S ALL ESCARGO MR. PAUL KOSKI AS THE SIGN, THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE EXCEED WHAT IS ALLOWED.
AND I KNOW WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF SIGNAGE.
SO SIGN A WOULD BE JUST UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET IN SIGN AREA, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE LARGER THAN POST.
AND CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN WHERE THE SIGNS WILL BE PLACED TO WORSE? SO THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY
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ARE LOCATED AT THE, UM, MAIN ENTRANCE WHERE THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION IS 15 FEET OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT.AND THEN ONE ON TAYLORSVILLE, WE AT THE ACCESS, THE MAIN ACCESS POINT OFF TAYLORSVILLE AS WELL, 15 FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY, PROBABLY LYING BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, ALSO PERPENDICULAR TO THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN THE SMALL ONE AT THE CORNER AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
I'M WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO ONLY PUT UP TWO SIGNS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON YOUR PROPERTY WHERE THE BUILDING IS.
IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO LIKE THE BANK.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ONLY USE TWO SIGNS VERSUS THE CORNER SIGN OR ADMIT THE CORNER SIGN? YES.
UM, UM, I'M OPEN TO THAT IDEA.
WE WERE DOING THAT AS A, UH, UH, AN AMENITY TO THE CITY, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE HUBER HEIGHTS THERE AS ALMOST A, YOU KNOW, AN O TO THE CITY AND THAT IT WAS MR. HUBER'S PROPERTY.
THAT WAS OUR INTENTION AND TO, UH, BRAND THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S, I W I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGN, CAUSE THERE WAS NO INTENT, UM, THAT THE SIGNS WERE BIGGER THAN THE CODE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.
AND I DON'T HAVE MY ARCHITECT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE ASSURED US THAT THEY WERE WITHIN THE CODE OF THE CENTER AND I'M NOT DOUBTING SCOTT AT ALL.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW WHAT OUR INTENT WAS.
UM, YEAH, IT JUST, THE IS THE HUBER HEIGHT SIGN GOING TO BE ON CHASE'S BANKS PARCEL.
IT WILL, BUT THEY, WE HAD, THAT'S PART OF OUR DEAL WITH THEM THAT THEY ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
NOW, WHEN YOU GET TENANTS IN, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THEIR SIGNAGE ON YOUR BILL? THE TENANTS WILL HAVE THEIR SIGNAGE ON THE RETAIL BUILDING AS WE SHOWED IN MY ELEVATION, AS THEY DO ON THE SHOPPING CENTER, ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME QUICK MATH.
I OPENED UP TO THE ACTUAL SIGN PAGE WITH THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS AND THE LARGEST OF THE THREE IS 100 SQUARE FOOT OF SIGNAGE, WHICH IS THE CODE ITSELF.
SO IT DOES MEET THE CODE, OUR STANDARD CODE FOR MAJOR SHOPPING CENTER SIGNS.
AND THE OTHER TWO, YOU SAY, ONES ARE GOING TO BE NOT WHERE YOUR BUILDING IS.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO SIGNS GOING TO BE? THERE THERE'S ONE.
THE LARGER ONE IS AT THE INTERSECTION WITH THE SIGNAL AND THE SMALL, THE MIDDLE ONE ON THE SCREEN IS AT THE, ONE OF THE ENTRANCES ON OLD TAYLORSVILLE.
AND THE LOW ONE IS AT THE CORNER OF OLD TAILORS OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOCATION PLAN IN THE PACKET BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO INTENTION THAT THE LOW SIGN HAS ANYTHING ON IT.
OTHER THAN HUBER HEIGHTS COMMENTS OR HUBER HEIGHTS, WE CAN PUT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS ON IT.
UH, WE'RE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT SIDE.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE AN ADVERTISING BUSINESS.
WELL, NO, I'M SAYING JUST THAT.
AND THE SIGN BAND, UM, AT THE TOP OF THE PYLON SIGNS IS NOT A TENANT SIGN.
THAT WOULD BE HUBER HEIGHTS, COMMONS, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPPING CENTER NAME.
IT WON'T BE ADVERTISEMENT OF TENANTS.
SO IF THIS WAS STRAIGHT ZONES, THOSE SIGNS WOULD BE APPROVED ON A STAFF LEVEL.
SO THE SECONDARY SIGN AS WELL.
WANT TO CLARIFY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I THINK THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ADVERTISING SIGNS.
AND I THINK SOME AS SOMEBODY THAT DRIVES THAT AREA ALL THE TIME THAT THE FIVE FOOT SIGN WOULD JUST BE MORE OF A, UM, A DANGER BLOCKING YOUR LINE OF SIGHT, THEN, THEN IT'S, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY EVEN NEED TO BE THERE.
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ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THAT ON LINE OF SIGHT IS, UH, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THOSE EVERGREEN TREES THAT GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE INTERSECTION.THIS SITS BACK 15 FEET FURTHER FROM THAT.
SO THAT'LL CLEAR THAT INTERSECTION UP, LIKE GETTING RID OF THOSE, ANYONE ELSE, WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL, BUT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 32 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER.
IF I MAY PAUSE, GO RIGHT AHEAD FOR, UM, I DO SEE AN ERROR IN WHAT I PUT IN THE, UH, PROPOSED DECISION RECORD.
NUMBER FOUR, I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE IT SAYS GROUND WITH SIGNAGE IS NOT APPROVED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
WE WOULDN'T BE APPROVING THE GROUND SIGNAGE WITH THIS APPLICATION, RIGHT.
ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF STRIKING, IF WE CAN REVISE IT, I REMEMBER THE ATTEMPTS.
IT'S WALL SIGNAGE IS NOT APPROVED FOR THIS APPLICATION IS WHAT IT SHOULD SAY.
WHAT THE STAFF'S MATTER MEMORANDUM IT'S OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND IF WE CAN REVISE NUMBER FOUR TO SAY, WALL SIGNAGE IS NOT APPROVED FOR THIS APPLICATION.
WELL, SIGNAGE IS NOT APPROVED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 32 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 10TH, 1521 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED, BUT A MOTION MADE BY MS. THOMAS IS THE SECOND.
SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AS FARGO.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A FINAL PLAN.
THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE FINAL AS THEY FINAL PLAT.
THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BERLIN HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION CONTAINING 43, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THREE OPEN SPACE, LOTS AND ONLY PUBLIC AND AN ONLY PUBLIC STREET FOR PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, EAST OF BELMONT PLACE, WEST OF STONY CREEK DRIVE AND NORTH OF AARON LANE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 38.
THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN THE QUAIL RIDGE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE FINAL PLAT SO THAT THEY CAN RECORD THE LOTS.
AND THEN, UH, WE WANT TO SELL THE LOTS AND BUILD THE HOUSES.
SO THE, UH, THE PLANT ITSELF, UH, SETS UP THOSE LOTS, THE 43 PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS OF THESE DO MEET THE DIMENSIONAL AND AREA REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE BASIC DEVELOPED PLAN IT'S DOES MATCH THE APPROVALS THROUGH THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ALL THE EASEMENTS, THE, UH, THE ACCESS POINTS
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FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.UM, AND THOSE FLAG, LOTS THAT GO BACK.
SO ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WENT THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY ARE ON THIS FINAL PLANT.
THERE IS A ONE THING THAT, UH, WE DID, UH, MAKE NOTE OF THAT, UH, IS IN THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD.
UH, THEY CALLED OUT THOSE PRESERVATION AREAS AS MINIMUM BUILDING LINES, BUT, UH, WE, WE WANT THEM CALLED OUT AS PRESERVATION ZONES.
SO THAT'S IN THE DECISION RECORD TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CALLED OUT CORRECTLY ON THE PLANT ITSELF.
UM, SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS IS JUST THE, UH, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
I'M SORRY, THAT LAST, THAT LAST STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF RACISM, WHERE THEY AT ON THE YEAR DECISION RECORD, UH, NUMBER THREE, THE PRESERVATION, SHE SHALL BE THERE THEY'RE DENOTED BY THE DASHED LINE SO THAT THE DASH LINES ARE CORRECT WITS.
THEY JUST CALLED THEM OUT AS BUILDING SETBACKS, LEAD ONE CALLED PRESENTATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, IF I REMEMBER THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT WAS TO THE SOUTH, UH, WHERE ERIN LANE CUTS IN WEREN'T THEY WORKING WITH THE RESIDENT ON SOME GRADING AND DRAINAGE TYPE STUFF.
DO WE NEED TO VERIFY ANY OF THAT AT THIS POINT THAT THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED? UM, AND I KNOW THE RESIDENT AND THE DEVELOPER WERE WORKING TOGETHER, RIGHT? TH TH THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES SINCE THE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE DO ANYTHING WITH THE PLATS BASED ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MICHELLE, OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE BEEN JOINING AN ONLINE THREE AND A HALF HOURS AGO.
CAMPBELL, BERLIN DEVELOPMENT, 33 33 MADISON PIKE.
I'M SORRY TO JOIN YOU REMOTELY TONIGHT, BUT, UH, SCOTT, I THINK PRESENTED IT'S, UH, JUST A STEP IN THE PROCESS.
WE'RE READY TO PAVE AND RECORD THE RECORD PLANT.
UM, WE DID HAVE ONE, UM, CONVERSATION WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE SITE AND WE DID DO SOME GRADING OVER THERE.
SO AS THINGS GET FINALED UP, WE'LL REVISIT THAT WITH THE NEIGHBOR, BUT I THINK THERE ARE NO ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
SO BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND HEARING NONE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE CAMPBELL BERLIN HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC FOR APPROVAL, THE FINAL PLAT FOR QUAIL RIDGE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 38 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 15TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO VIVIPAROUS UP SECOND BY MISS FARGO SECRETARY, PLEASE.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE NEXT WILL BE TO GET THE SIGNATURES AND RECORD WITH THE COUNTY.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT SIGNS ON LIMITED IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 75 36 BRANDT PIKE, TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 41.
UH, THIS IS FOR SIGNAGE LOCATED AT THE TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE.
UM, THIS IS, UH, LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THE HARDEE'S LOCATION.
THE SITE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, UH, LOCATED, UH, NORTH OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ON BRAND PIPE.
SO THE, UH, THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, UH, UH, REQUESTED, UH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO INSTALL A GROUND SIGN AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE DRIVE.
THE REQUEST IS LOCATE THE SIGN 15 FEET FROM THE BRANT PIPE RIGHT AWAY LINE, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD CODE.
UM, THE, UH, SIGN BASE WOULD BE 13 FEET,
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ONE INCH WIDE WITH AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, WHICH MEETS OUR STANDARD CODE SIGN FACE ITSELF IS 12 FEET WIDE BY FOUR FEET.TALL SIGN AREA WOULD BE 48 SQUARE FEET PER SIDE, WHICH IS LARGER THAN OUR STANDARD CITY CODE OF 75 SQUARE FEET, TOTAL, UH, LANDSCAPING, SHALL WE PLACE AROUND THE SIGN WITH A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE AREA OF THE SIGN FACE? THE WALL SIGNAGE, UH, IS PROPOSED ON THREE FACES ON THE SOUTHERN FACE.
THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS TO THE SIGNAGE WITH A TOTAL OF 67.4 SQUARE FEET ON THE WESTERN FACE.
THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS, THE TOTAL OF 73.7 SQUARE FEET.
AND ON THE EASTERN FACE, THERE'S JUST INFORMATIONAL MESSAGING.
ALSO, THERE ARE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY AS SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED DRAWINGS.
SO, UM, THE STAFF DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE WALL SIGNS.
THE ONLY, UH, THE GROUND SIGN ITSELF WAS LARGER THAN THE STANDARD 75 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL.
SO, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO BRING IT DOWN TO THAT 75 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S NUMBER THREE ON THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH.
TARGET IS THE EAST SIDE, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO WHY DID THEY NEED A SIGN BACK THERE? HEY, IT'S THAT ONE IS THE INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE, UM, ABOUT STAYING IN YOUR CAR, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT IT'S, UH, YOU STAY IN YOUR CAR AS YOU GO IN, THEY CHANGE YOUR OIL AND YOU TRY OUT.
SO MR. JEFFERY'S JUST ONE ON THE EXIT SIGN WHERE IT SAYS HOME FOR GREAT SERVICE.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATE CELEBRATING GOOD SERVICE, BUT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE, DO WE WANT PEOPLE PULLING OUT AND HONKING? IS THERE ANYTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THERE? UM, UM, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND A CONSTANT HAWKING HONKING.
UM, I BELIEVE COULD BE A, UH, A NUISANCE AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
ME I'M ALL FOR CELEBRATING GOOD SERVICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT ON THE TRAFFIC RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THEN THE HOUSING RIGHT BEHIND IT, THAT'D BE CONCERNED.
AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? JAMES STEWART AGAIN? YES.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM YOU HAD WITH THE HONKING.
I WAS IN CAIRO IN CAIRO, EVERYONE HONKS THE HORN ALL THE TIME.
YOU HEAR A HORN, YOU DON'T DO SPOT.
AND HERE INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, I THINK BEING RIGHT ON BRAND PIKE IS AN ISSUE DRIVING ALONG HERE AT HONK AT DISTRACTS.
YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.
THEY HAVE ICONS IT'S NORMALLY NOT ALLOWED IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN YEARS ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS A PD WHERE IT CAN BE APPROVED THE PUD.
THOUGHT I'D BRING THAT UP FOR MY OTHER CUSTOMERS.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, THE CUSTOMER WAS CONFUSED BY THE CODE, READING HOW TO USE, MEASURE A WALL SIGN, WHEREAS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND IT WASN'T TOO SPECIFIC IN THE CODE THAT ON A GROUND SIGN, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE BACKGROUND AREA TOO.
THAT'S WHY THAT GOT AND LARGE TO BE IT'S IN THE BEGINNING.
THE PAGE IS THIS, THAT'S THE NEXT ONE UP THEN THE PAGE NUMBERS HERE, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S THE ONE IT'S KIND OF SMALL.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, THERE'S A LOW POLE AND, UH, UH, I GOTTA TAKE THIS OFF.
I CAN'T TALK THROUGH THESE THINGS, MESSAGE BOARD OVER THERE.
AND THEY HAD ADDED JUST THE MESSAGE BOARD SQUARE
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FEET, PLUS JUST THE LOGO OF SQUARE FEET.AND THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENED TO GET WHERE IT'S AT.
I'M NOT BEGGING PARDON FOR THAT, BUT EVERY OTHER CODE THAT I'VE EVER READ FOR FREESTANDING SIGN COUNTS THE BACKGROUND AREA TOO.
SO IF THEY REDUCE THAT DOWN TO, TO MEET THE, UH, QUALIFIED SIZE, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THEM, BUT YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE TO DO WITH FARGO? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IS THE MESSAGE BOARD ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? NO, IT'S ON THE STANDING SIGN ALONG WITH THAT.
WELL, THEY ALL HAVE THE, CAN TAKE FIVE, PARDON? FACING BRAND PIKE, PERPENDICULAR BRAND PIKE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT GOING NORTH AND THEN GOING SOUTH.
AND I AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, EAST SIDE REFERENCE TO BEING A SAFETY SIGN, MORE OR LESS, NOT A COMMERCIAL SIGN.
SO ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH APPLICANTS? CLARIFY.
AND DO YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE TAKEN OFF THE HONK.
BUT THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TAKE OFF THE HONK MR. FALL COWS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN ON THAT? I WILL ADD THAT TO NUMBER FIVE AND SAYING THE MONK SIGN IS NOT APPROVED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
HOLD ON THE HOME PORTION OF THE SITE.
HOW ABOUT THE HONG PORTION OF THE SITE TO BE SPECIFIC? OKAY.
DOES THAT ANSWER EVERYTHING ON THERE THEN? YEAH.
UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS LABELED EAST, BUT IT'S WEST.
I HAD TO TALK TO THAT DRAFTSMAN.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A STAY IN YOUR CAR, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO TO GET OUT TYPE THING RATHER THAN A SAFETY THING.
IS THAT WOULD YOU WOULD SAY, OR DOES A WHOLE SIGN COUNT ON THAT SIGN? WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE LAW STRAIGHT IN MY HEAD.
HERE'S FOR OTHER PEOPLE, I DO 105 MUNICIPALITIES.
THAT'S THE REAR, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SAID, STAY IN YOUR CAR.
I SEE THAT AS MORE OF A ADVERTISING THAT IT'S A STAY IN YOUR CAR, OIL CHANGE THE OVERALL NOT MORE OR LESS A DIRECTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECTION OUT ONE COMING BACK AND AROUND.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO FOR FUTURE USE, I HAVE ANOTHER CAR LOT.
I HAVE ANOTHER OIL CHANGE COMPANY COMING UP.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
SO, SO YOU HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH THE OTHER DIRECTIONALS HAVING THE OIL CAN ON IT AND A LOGO THERE OTHER THAN THE HOMELESS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT SIGNS UNLIMITED FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNINGS FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 41 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 11TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD, UH, ATTACHED AS AMENDED MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
I DON'T MEAN DON'T HAVE, I GUESS I DO.
AND SECONDED BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY.
YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
WE HAVE NO MINUTES TO APPROVE NO REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW OF MR.
OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 9TH.
UH, THERE'S A MINOR CHANGE FOR TEXAS ROADHOUSE.
THEY ARE ADDING A REFRIGERATED AREA, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
SO NO ADDITIONAL SEATING SPACE, SO NO REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MAJOR CHANGE FOR LARKSPUR, WHICH IS THE,
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UM, UM, FACILITY ON THE STORAGE FACILITY ON WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD THAT WAS APPROVED FOR MULTIPLE STORAGE UNITS.THEY WANT TO COME BACK FOR NOW ONE BUILDING TO HAVE EVERYTHING WITHIN ONE BUILDING AND ALL INTERIOR STORAGE, UM, AND ACCESS THROUGH HALLWAYS INSIDE ONE BUILDING, UM, AND THEN REZONE AND BASIC DEVELOP PLAN FOR 60 25 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE.
IF YOU SEE THE PROPERTY, THE OLD HOUSE, UM, THAT HAS THE FOR SALE SIGN AND IT, THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO DO A CONVENIENCE STORE ON THAT PROPERTY.
WHERE WAS THAT LOCATED ON, I SEE IT.
60, 25, JUST DOWN THE STREETS HERE.
UM, ON TAYLORSVILLE WHERE THE OLD HOUSE SITS THAT'S IT'S BEFORE YOU GET SOME OUTPUT.
ARE WE DOWN THE HILL? YOU'RE TALKING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING? MR. JEFFRIES? SO, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS ONLINE ABOUT PLANNING IS ONLY WANTS TO SEE APARTMENTS OR ONLY WANTS TO SEE THIS JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE BUSINESSES THAT CHOOSE TO COME HERE AND WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES WE SAY YES OR NO TO, TO SLOW OR PAUSE GROWTH.
ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING AND BEING HERE THIS EVENING.