Sep 21, 2021 Council Work Session

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HERE WE GO.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

THIS IS A CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, AND IT IS SEPTEMBER 21ST.

WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.

UH, THIS MEGAN'S

[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]

MS. POWELL, CAN YOU CALL IT MR. SHAW? MS. BAKER HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.

MRS. BERG HERE, MR. .

DEAR MR. LYONS, DEAR MR. HILL HERE, MR. WEB MAYOR FOR HERE.

AND NEXT

[2. Approval of Minutes]

ITEM TWO.

A'S FROM SEPTEMBER THE SEVENTH, 2021.

UH, THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISPERSED, UH, IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, IT WAS SEEN AS APPROVED ANY CORRECTIONS.

OKAY.

THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

AND NEXT UP IS THAT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.

THEN WE'LL GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR

[ City Manager Report]

GOOD EVENING.

HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M GOOD.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE ITEMS TONIGHT.

UH, ONE AS WAS MENTIONED LAST WEEK, THE RIPRAP ROAD IS CLOSED FOR THE TESTING OF THE WELL THAT IS ONGOING.

UM, SO THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PROCESS AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT COMPLETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GET THE ROAD BACK OPEN.

UM, ALSO, UM, AS PART OF AN AGENDA ITEM TYPE THING.

UM, I, I SPOKE WITH MS. DAVIDSON ABOUT THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION UPDATE.

SO THEIR, UH, THEIR COMMISSION MEETING LAST NIGHT WAS CANCELED AND THERE WAS SOME ITEMS THAT SHE WANTED TO FINALIZE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

SO HER REQUEST IS TO PUT THAT OFF AND NOT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

UM, BUT TO COME BACK WITH FINAL, UH, DISCUSSIONS ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE STILL COMING UP THIS YEAR, LIKE THE, UH, CHRISTMAS CONCERTS AND THINGS LIKE BIKES IN THE HEIGHTS ABOUT THOSE FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM K IS IT WAS REVIEWED AND WE HAVE NO UPDATE.

OKAY.

UM, ALSO, UH, AS A, UH, A REMINDER THIS SUNDAY AT, UH, ON, UH, THE STATION 22 ON BRENT PIKE, THERE IS THE FIRE DIVISION OPEN HOUSE.

UH, SO THAT IS FROM 1230 TO 3:00 PM.

UM, LIKE I SAID, AT THE, UH, THE MAIN STATION THERE ON BRANT PIKE, UM, UH, WORD OF NOTE, THEY WILL HAVE SOME OF THEIR DISPLAYS AND SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE CONTROLLED BURNS THINGS, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE GIVING TOURS OF THE FIRE STATION ITSELF.

UH, SO THIS IS BASICALLY AN OUTDOOR AND IN THE BAY EVENT, UH, GODFATHER'S PIZZA WILL BE THERE AGAIN.

UM, SO THERE WILL BE THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO AND THINGS TO SEE, BUT, UM, UH, FOR SAFETY REASONS RIGHT NOW, UH, THEY WILL NOT HAVE SOME OF THE INDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

UM, ALSO, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON UP IN WINDBROOK.

UM, SO, UH, THERE WAS, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD BEEN TOLD, UH, NO CONSTRUCTION BEFORE 9:00 AM.

AND IF THEY DID, THEN IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT.

WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION ON SATURDAYS AT ALL.

WELL, WE RECEIVED WORD THAT THEY WERE DOING CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO 8:00 AM.

UH, SO, UM, MR. BERGMAN AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ON MONDAY MORNING AND, UH, HE HAS PASSED THE WORD ON TO THE CONTRACTORS THAT THERE WILL BE NO CONSTRUCTION WORK TO BE DONE ON THE WEEKENDS IN THE WINDBROOK SUBDIVISION THAT THE, THIS TIME NOW, UH, THANK YOU, SCOTT.

I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

WE ALSO HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, LOOKING AT OUR, UH, REGULATIONS AND GOING TO HAVE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THINGS, UH, PUNISHMENTS AND ABOUT WHAT FINES CAN BE LEVIED, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

IF, UH, SOMEBODY DOES VIOLATE, UH, SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF, UH, REGULATIONS IN OUR ORDINANCES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, WE WILL, UM, IN THE FUTURE PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON THAT.

SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, SOME ZONING REGULATIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT OFF STREET PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

SO, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT I GUESS THERE WAS SOME SOCIAL MEDIA DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT, UM, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, UH, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER, MR. MAILLARD, AND WE WILL BE REVIEWING OUR EXISTING CODE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UM, WHAT SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE BECAUSE CURRENTLY, UM, THE DON'T HAVE A CODE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT BASICALLY IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, ANYTHING OVER A ONE TON VEHICLE, UH, CAN'T BE PARKED IN YOUR DRIVEWAY WHILE THERE'S NOW, UH, TH THAT WAS WRITTEN BACK IN THE TIME, PRETTY MUCH PEOPLE HAD SEDANS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THERE'S, THERE'S PICKUPS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE

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SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT ONE AS WELL.

OKAY, GREAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.

UH, YES.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT RIPRAP ROAD CLOSING, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE BRIDGE, THE, THE RAILROAD UNDERPASS, THAT BRIDGE THERE IS OPEN.

YES.

UM, WE WERE OVER THERE TODAY AND, UH, A LOT OF US THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSE, SO WE DID THE BRIDGE WATER AROUND ABOUT GOING OVER THERE.

OKAY.

SO, SO YES, THE CLOSURE IS JUST, UH, ON THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND NORWELL FIELD.

THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S CLOSED RIGHT NOW.

SO I HAD SOMEONE REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK ABOUT A SAFETY CONCERN DONALD, AROUND THAT AREA.

SO A LOT OF THE, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THE TREES AND THE BRUSH ALONG THAT AREA COMING AROUND WHERE TAYLORSVILLE COUNTY TURNS INTO RIP RAP, GETTING THEIR CLOTHES IN FRONT OF WHERE THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S AT, IF THAT AREA IS CLOSE TO TRAFFIC NOW, UM, YOU MAKE SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE.

THERE ARE EVEN KIND OF LITTLE, MAYBE COVERED UP BY SOME OF THE BRUSH THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

COULD WE GET, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LINE OF SIGHT COMING AROUND TAYLORSVILLE TO THAT OTHER PART AND OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE RIVER IS NOT ENCOURAGING HIM TO THE ROAD TOO MUCH.

I WILL DISCUSS WITH MR. GRAY ON, UH, THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING THAT THIS WEEK.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FORESCOUT YES.

MR. REP, JUST A BRIEF COMMENT.

UM, THANK YOU.

MA'AM SCOTT TO YOU AND TO MR. BERGMAN.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I RECEIVED AN EMAIL IMMEDIATELY FROM THE RESIDENT IN QUESTION UP THERE AND, UH, VERY THANKFUL AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE QUICK RESPONSE YOU GUYS HAD ON THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FORWARD THAT ON.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR SCHOLARS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, B,

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HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? GOOD, SORRY THAT SHE HAD AN EMERGENCY AND HAD TO LEAVE.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

SO SCOTT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE, AND THAT WAS CHIEF AMONG REMEMBER QUESTIONS? ARE WE, UH, IS THIS A PRESENTATION MAYBE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON UNTIL IT CAN BE HERE? OR WHAT DO WE HAVE? SO BASICALLY OUR CURRENT POWER 9 1 1 SYSTEM IS REACHED ITS END OF USEFUL LIFE.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO MOVE FORWARD OUT OF THE, UH, UH, THE NINE 11 FUND, UM, $157,000 COST, UM, TO IN THIS NEW SYSTEM HAS ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE UPGRADES TO THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION.

SO, UH, THIS IS JUST, UH, TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS, TO UPGRADE THE SYSTEM AS IT IS NOW, IT'S REACHED ITS LIFESPAN.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, YES, JERRY, UH, POINT OUT THAT THERE, THE RESOLUTION HAD A TYPO IN ONE OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSES AND IT ALSO DIDN'T CONTAIN WHO WE WERE PURCHASING IT FROM, UM, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT FIXED FOR THE REP THE RESOLUTION THAT GETS BEFORE YOU ON MONDAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UPGRADE THIS AND IT, CAN YOU KIND OF SHARE WITH US SOME OF THE ENHANCEMENTS, SOME OF THE, UM, NEW ITEMS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE TODAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DURING THIS ENHANCEMENT AND KIND OF, WHAT'S CHANGING A LITTLE BIT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT QUICKER.

THEY HAVE REPROGRAMMED A LOT OF THE, UM, HOW QUICKLY THE DISPATCHERS CAN PICK PHONE NUMBERS OR TRANSFER THOSE KINDS OF ENHANCEMENTS.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT IS A COMPLETE UPGRADE OF LIKE SERVERS.

ABSOLUTELY ALL THE HARDWARE.

SO THIS IS BRAND NEW HARDWARE FOR THE WHOLE THING.

SO, UM, MOST IMPORTANT OF WHY I WOULD, IT'S GOOD TO EVEN STAY WITH INTRADO IS THE DISPATCH WAS ALREADY TRAINED ON IT, THEN ENHANCEMENTS.

THEY DO SUCH A GOOD JOB OF THE ENHANCEMENTS, UM, WILL BE VERY MINIMAL TRAINING FOR THE ENHANCEMENTS.

UM, SO THE, THE DISPATCHERS, IT WILL JUST BE QUICKER FOR THEM.

I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SIMPLE ANSWER, BUT THAT'S TRULY IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE QUICKER FOR THEM.

PERFECT.

AND SCOTT, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION TO YOU, OR MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER, UM, WHERE DOES THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE WERE TO PICK UP A, ANOTHER COMMUNITY SERVICES, UM, AT OUR DISPATCH CENTER, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WELL, IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD THIS TECHNOLOGY AND ENHANCEMENT, UH, UM, PUT US LEAPS AND BOUNDS OVER OTHER COMMUNICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, AREAS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY? ABSOLUTELY.

WE ARE ALREADY TOP OF THE LINE WITH, UM, IT'S E 9 1, 1 IT'S EVERYTHING THE STATE MANDATES, UM, AND SHADOW IS WHAT OTHER

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SO YES, WE CAN TAKE ON MANY MORE AGENCIES.

ACTUALLY, I GAVE YOU, I THINK, JUST HERE, WHEN YOU HEAR IT, WHEN I HEAR QUICKER IN TERMS OF A NINE 11 DISPATCHER, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE CITY COULD APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK RESPONSE TIME IS WHAT, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES ALL ABOUT SAYING THAT MAKES US QUICKER, UM, TO GET TO A CALL, TO PICK UP A NUMBER TO DISPATCH OR NEEDS TO BE DISPATCHED.

I THINK THAT'S, UM, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU HAD ME, HELLO, YOU HAVE ME A QUICKER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS UPGRADE ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

I HOPE EVERYONE'S DOING WELL TONIGHT.

I HAVE A FEW ITEMS FOR YOU.

AND, UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MEETINGS SINCE I GAVE YOU A HANDOUT AT YOUR SEATS, BUT I DID GIVE YOU A ONE HANDOUT TONIGHT.

ONE ADDITION THAT CAME UP AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING, UM, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, WE'RE DOING THE WATER LINE AND SEWER LINE EXTENSIONS.

SO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THAT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE EXPENSES I'VE GOT IN YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL TONIGHT SHOULD COVER US FOR THE DESIGN WORK.

THAT'LL TAKE THE REST OF THIS YEAR.

UM, ANY CONSTRUCTION AND BEYOND THAT WOULD, UM, WE WOULD COME TO YOU NEXT YEAR.

UH, WE'LL EITHER BUILD IT INTO THE BUDGET IF WE HAVE A GOOD ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME, OR WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL WHEN WE KNOW A GOOD, SOLID DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS $175,000, UH, FOR THE WATERLINE PORTION, UH, THAT'LL BE A TRANSFER FROM THE ARPA FUND AND $280,000, UH, FOR THE SEWER PORTION OUT OF THE SEWER CAPITAL FUND.

AND THAT WILL BE A TRANSFER FROM THE SEWER FUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR REVENUE SOURCES ARE.

UH, WE'VE ALSO HAVE A $21,000 FOR AN INCREASE TO FUEL FOR THE FIRE VEHICLES.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW, UH, FUEL COSTS ARE UP THIS YEAR.

I DID TALK TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, MIKE GRAY.

UH, THEY HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO FIRE AS I JUST HAD MORE RUNS THAN THEY THOUGHT.

AND SO THEY NEED $21,000 MORE TO GET THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR FOR FUEL.

UM, THEN I ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST SELECTION IN PLACE, TIF, UH, REVENUES.

SO THE THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT THAT NEEDS TO, UM, MAKE A PILOT PAYMENT TO THE SCHOOLS.

AND SO WHAT I'VE GOT IN HERE IS THE, THE ACCOUNTING EXPENSES, WHICH IS THE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED BY THE COUNTY FOR COLLECTION FOR THIS, AS WELL AS A PILOT PAYMENT TO THE SCHOOLS, A TOTAL OF $162,410 AND 24 CENTS.

AND AS I SAID, THE COLLECTIONS ARE, UH, UH, ABOVE THAT AMOUNT.

I BELIEVE THAT LEAVES THE ADDITIONAL $75,000 ABOVE THAT AMOUNT.

UH, AND, UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS A $6,875,450.

AND THAT AS YOU KNOW, IS WE JUST DID THE REFINANCING OF THE AQUATIC CENTER BONDS.

AND SO THIS, UH, WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET TO PAY THAT OFF.

SO WE NEED TO PAY THAT OFF.

AND OF COURSE THAT'S COMING FROM THE PROCEEDS FOR SELLING THE, DOING THE REFINANCING.

SO, UH, THAT IS COVERED BY THAT.

SO THAT REALLY IS NOT A NET INCREASE TO THE BUDGET.

THEN NEXT ITEM IS A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, WIDENING PHASE FOUR PROJECT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE.

UH, NEXT ITEM IS $360,141 FOR THE ENERGY LEASE IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE 100 ENERGY LEASE LAST YEAR AT $3 MILLION, AND THEN WE ADDED THE FIRE COMPONENT FOR STATIONS 22 AND 23, AND THAT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET.

SO THIS WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN A $14,550 FOR SALARY EXPENSES FOR THE NEW FIRE INSPECTOR THAT WAS NOT IN THE 2021 BUDGET.

UH, THAT'S JUST THE PORTION OF THAT SALARY THAT COMES OUT OF WATER.

THERE WAS ENOUGH MONEY, UH, FROM OTHER, UM, UH, FROM THE FIRE PORTION FOR THAT PORTION OF THE SALARY.

I THINK ONLY 10% OF THAT SALARY COMES OUT OF WATER.

AND THEN THE ONE AD I HAD TONIGHT, UH, COUNCIL MIGHT REMEMBER A LEGISLATION EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT YOU PASSED FOR $125,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT THE MUSIC CENTER.

UH, WE DID NOT INCREASE THE BUDGET AT THAT TIME.

WE WANTED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS WERE GOING TO BE.

AND SO I COME TO YOU TONIGHT WITH, UH, AN ADD ON OF $46,086, AND THAT'S FOR THE SAM SOUND PANEL INSTALLATION.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE APPROVED.

AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME OF THESE, WITH THE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ENERGY LEASE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE FIRE STATION, WE WANT TO GET THOSE MOVING.

SO IF YOU COULD PASS THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT, I AM SURE THE FIRE CHIEF AMONG THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, JIM, ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THAT WAS GREAT EXPLANATIONS FOR ALL THAT STUFF.

ED, THANK YOU, MAYOR JIM, THE 10% THAT THE MONEY'S COMING FROM FOR THE FIRE, UH, PERSONNEL COSTS OUT OF THE WATER FUND, UM, HAS STAFF

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IS THAT MORE OF A CONSERVATIVE, SAFE NUMBER? IS THAT A NUMBER THAT CAN INCREASE POTENTIALLY? UH, IT IS POSSIBLE EACH YEAR.

WE DO LOOK AT, UM, HOW SALARIES ARE A PORTION BETWEEN DIFFERENT FUNDS.

AND, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN I GO THROUGH THE AUDIT, UH, THE AUDITORS ARE ASKING FOR OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL OF THOSE PERCENTAGES AND WHETHER THEY'RE HOW THEY'RE DETERMINED.

SO, UH, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF AND IF HE FEELS THAT, UH, MORE THAN 10% OF THAT WORK IS DEVOTED TO, UH, WATER ITEMS, THEN WE WILL, UH, TAKE MORE OF THAT OUT OF THE WATER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND, UH, I DID GET THE, UH, WELL, THE AUDITOR'S REPORT, THE CAFFER REPORT.

UH, THANK YOU FOR SENDING THAT OUT.

I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL RECEIVED THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT I HAVE, I STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT.

IT'S ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO, BUT IT'S ONLY 200 AND SOME PAGES, SO YEAH.

TAKE YOUR TIME.

WELL, OKAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL 200 EVERY WORD ON ALL 200 PAGES.

OKAY.

BUT, UM, AND THEN, UH, WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL AND WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW FOR NEXT YEAR? UH, YES.

BRIAN AND I HAVE MET WITH, UH, ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS.

UM, SO THE, THE CURRENT PHASE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS, UM, DOING ALL THE PROJECTIONS FOR THE PERSONNEL BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, UH, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

UH, OF COURSE WHAT THE CURRENT BUDGET IS, WHAT THE UNION CONTRACT INCREASES ARE.

AND, UH, AND THEN FINALLY WE'LL ADD THE, THE LAST COMPONENT WOULD BE, UH, DEBT, PAYMENTS, TRANSFERS, ADVANCES.

AND SO WE WOULD EXPECT TO BRING THAT BUDGET TO YOU IN OCTOBER.

UH, MAYBE THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER FOR A FIRST READING.

OKAY.

AND USUALLY BY THIS TIME COUNCIL'S ALREADY RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR A BUDGET ITEMS. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN THAT REQUEST YET.

WILL WE BE GETTING THAT SOMETIME SOON? UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR BUDGET INPUT FOR BUDGET ITEMS FOR NEXT YEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FROM COUNCIL.

UM, UM, DO YOU WANT TO DRESS IT UP? AND, UM, SO YES.

UM, THAT'S AND I ANTICIPATED, WE CAN HAVE AN INITIAL DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET, BUT, UM, AS WE ALREADY HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE HAD THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND SOME INPUT FROM COUNCIL ON THAT.

UM, BUT WE WILL, UH, ACCEPT MORE INPUTS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UH, THROUGH THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND SOMETHING WILL GO OUT TO COUNCIL WITH THAT REQUEST.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

UM, MAYOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS OUR LAST MEETING.

YOU SAID THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON AN AGENDA ITEM ON THIS WORK SESSION.

I DIDN'T SEE IT.

DID THAT GET DROPPED? I DON'T KNOW HOW TONY PUTS US TOGETHER.

HE'S GONE.

AND I, I WAS, I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT.

UM, BUT IF I DID YES, AND WE MISSED IT, WE CAN ADD IT TO ANOTHER, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

I REMEMBER THAT, UH, MR. LYONS DID BRING UP THAT, UM, THAT YOU DID.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE REQUEST THAT IT BE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

YEP.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT.

SURE.

THAT'S ON THERE.

I MEAN, I THINK, I MEAN, TONY STILL PUTS THESE TOGETHER, SO I MEAN, AND HE TAKES PRETTY GOOD NOTES, SO YEAH.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE NEXT ONE.

SO IT'LL BE DEFINITELY ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

YES.

THEN I THINK THAT'S WHAT SCOTT WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT WE WOULD, UM, SO COUNCIL, SO COUNCIL IS GOING TO GET A REQUEST FOR BUDGET ITEMS FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN OCTOBER.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND WHAT THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER BY THE END OF OCTOBER, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AT SOME TIME WITH ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER AND ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER.

WE'LL WE ADD, THAT'S BEEN THE TYPICAL PROCESS WE HAD.

I MEAN, WE HAD A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WAS OPENING FOR, TO MAKE ALL KINDS OF SUGGESTIONS BACK IN DIFFERENT THAN IN THE SPRINT.

BUT I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT NOW THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

UM, YEAH, WELL, LIKE I SAID, USUALLY WE GET THOSE REQUESTS FROM COUNCIL EARLIER, SO WE CAN BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.

CAUSE YOU START WORKING IN THE BUDGET.

I THINK THIS YEAR YOU SAID AUGUST, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED SENDING OUT THE PAPERWORK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, AND ASKED FOR THEIR REQUESTS BACK, UM, BY THE END OF AUGUST AND, UH, BRIAN AND I WERE MEETING WITH THEM, I BELIEVE THE LAST WEEK OF AUGUST 1ST WEEK OF SCHOOL TEMPER.

OKAY.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

YES.

AND NOBODY'S GOING TO FORGET THIS TIME.

KAREN HAS IT ON NOTES.

WELL, KAREN'S GOT IT.

I CAN SEND AN EMAIL.

LOOKS LIKE IT.

THANK YOU, KAREN.

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THANK YOU.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ALL THESE SUPPLEMENTALS TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE

[ Tax Rate Certification - Montgomery County]

THAT WOULD BE ME ONCE AGAIN.

UH, AND, UH, THIS IS MCGOVERN COUNTY.

UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE STAGES OF THE BUDGET AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, I RECEIVED FROM MEDINA, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR, AS WELL AS MIAMI COUNTY AUDITOR, UM, TAX RATE CERTIFICATIONS.

SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SEND ME, UH, WHAT THEIR ESTIMATES ARE FOR THE AMOUNT THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE FROM OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVIES.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 10 LEVIES THAT WERE PASSED BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.

AND, UH, THOSE WERE YOUR PACKET.

UM, UH, THEY ONLY HAVE TO BE LISTED ON THE TAX RATE CERTIFICATION FOR THE HOME COUNTY, WHICH IS CONSIDERED MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

AND, UM, SO THE, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THERE ARE THEIR, UH, THEIR ESTIMATES OF THAT AS WELL AS THE, UM, UH, THE INSIDE MILLAGE.

AND, UM, IT'S IT'S UM, AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, YOU GET THIS EVERY YEAR, SO, UM, WE HAVE TO FORMALLY ADOPT IT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE THE APPROVAL TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS NEXT YEAR.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM REGARDING THE TAX VERIFICATION FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY? OKAY.

OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.

OKAY.

THE NEXT

[ Tax Rate Certification - Miami County]

YES, EXACTLY.

LIKE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, LIKE I SAID, YOU WILL NOT SEE THE LIST OF ALL THE LEVEES BECAUSE IT'S ONLY FOR THE HOME COUNTY.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY LEGISLATION, BUT NOT FOR THE MIAMI COUNTY LEGISLATION, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING MIAMI COUNTY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.

OKAY.

AND NEXT UP IS

[ Enterprise Fleet Leases]

THANK YOU, MR. BARRETT.

UM, AS YOU'LL RECALL, UM, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE TO, UH, FLEET MANAGEMENT, AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING TO CONVENTIONALLY ACQUIRE MOST OF OUR VEHICLES, UH, IN A LIGHT AND MEDIUM DUTY, UH, FLEETS, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, OR IN OUR SITUATION, COUNCIL HAD APPROVED A EFFECTIVELY THE MASTER DOCUMENTS, BUT HAD ASKED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND APPROVE THE INDIVIDUAL LEASES FOR THOSE VEHICLES AS THEY CAME IN.

SO PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST, WE HAVE INCLUDED FOR YOU, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR PACKET, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU MOVE IT FORWARD ON MONDAY, UH, THE LIST OF THE VARIOUS VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS FIRST GROUP OF LEASES.

UM, AS I NOTED IN THE INFORMATIONAL PACKET, UH, THERE WERE A FEW VEHICLES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS HYBRID VEHICLES AT THE SUGGESTION OF COUNCIL.

AND SO, UH, THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIVISION HEADS WHO FELT THAT THEY COULD APPROPRIATELY USE A HYBRID VEHICLES, DID TRY TO INCLUDE THEM IN THEIR FLEET.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND THOSE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE STILL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL PRICING DISCOUNTS.

UH, BUT AS OF THE TIME TO PACK, IT WAS PREPARED.

UM, THOSE ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS WERE NOT KNOWN.

UNFORTUNATELY THOSE DISCOUNTS ARE STILL NOT KNOWN.

SO WHILE WE CANNOT TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE REDUCED PRICE WILL BE FROM WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE WILL BE GETTING A REDUCED PRICE FROM WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU.

SO, UH, STILL A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS TO BE HAD, UH, ON THOSE VEHICLES.

SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YES.

GLENN.

YEAH.

UM, BRIAN, UM, REAL QUICK, I'M THRILLED TO SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A FEW HYBRIDS ON THERE.

THAT'S AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, SO BASICALLY WE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND HAD THEM KIND OF WAY WHERE DIFFERENT VEHICLES MAY FIT WITH THEM.

AND SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS OBVIOUSLY COME BACK AND SAY A HYBRID WOULD WORK IN THIS SITUATION.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YES, SIR.

EXCELLENT.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

AND THE ONES IN YELLOW ARE GOTTA BE DISCOUNTED.

WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCOUNTS WERE SPECIFIC AT THE TIME.

THIS WAS PRETTY STRAIGHT.

OKAY.

YES.

KATE WITH THEIR NEW CAR, IT'S HARD TO GET THE SUPPLY IN WHEN MOLLY'S CARS COME IN.

UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT YET.

ONLY FROM THIS STANDPOINT, WE HAVEN'T PLACED THE ORDER.

SO, UH, MOST OF THESE VEHICLES, UM, WHEN I SAY MOST, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE NON POLICE VEHICLES THEY'LL COME IN SOONER THAN THE POLICE VEHICLES, BUT, UM, BUT THOSE SPECIFIC DATES WE DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST BASED ON THE VOLUME AND THE SPECIALITY OF THE POLICE SPEEDING.

COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE PLACE HE GOES TO BE ALL SPECKED OUT AND ALL THE ADDITIONS AND ALL THIS STUFF DONE TO THEM THEN, CORRECT.

AND THERE ARE FEWER SUBSTITUTES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, JURORS WHO MAKE POLICE INTERCEPT VEHICLES THAT HAVE THOSE SAFETY FEATURES IN THOSE MODIFICATIONS.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SHORTAGE WE HAVE FOR CONVENTIONAL VEHICLES,

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YEAH.

THE QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT IS ITEM 3G,

[ Chambersburg Road West Widening Improvement - Grant Application]

UM, WHAT THIS IS, IS, UM, UH, FUNDING APPLICATION FOR, UH, MCRPC, IT'S A YEARLY, UH, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND, UH, IT'S, UH, FALLS UNDER, UH, S WELL SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

ALSO A WOODWARD WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THIS YEAR WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE SUBMITTED LAST YEAR.

IT'S FOR CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

THIS IS GOING WEST.

THIS WOULD BE FROM OLD TROY PIKE, GOING WEST TO THE COUNTY OR THE CITY CORP LINE, WHICH HAS JUST PASSED INTO ENDICOTT.

UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE IS WIDEN THE ROAD, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THE EAST SIDE, ON CHAMBERSBURG, THREE LANE ROAD WITH A, UH, THIS FOOT AT THIS TIME, AN EIGHT FOOT BIKE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE EAST EAST END.

AND THEY MAY REQUIRE US NOW TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WE'RE NOT SURE YET, BUT, UH, WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR THAT, WHICH ALONG WITH THAT WOULD BE CUTTING THE HILL DOWN THAT SITE THERE BY, I THINK IT'S STONY CREEK.

UM, OKAY.

WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR DOWN OUT, CAUSE IT'S ALL ROCK.

SO SEE HOW GOOD WE CAN GET THAT TO LOOK, BUT THE SITE DISTANCE, BUT, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, I BELIEVE IS A LITTLE OVER A MILE LONG.

AND, UH, IT'S THE ESTIMATE THAT WE CAME UP WITH ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

UH, THIS FUNDING, UH, WOULD PAY FOR 65% OF THAT.

UM, AND OUR SHARED RATE, 35%, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.3 MILLION.

UM, THIS APPLICATION, UH, LIKE I SAID, LAST YEAR, I DID NOT GET IT, BUT LAST YEAR WE WERE DEDUCTED FIVE POINTS DUE TO THE CHAMBERSBURG PHASE FOUR.

WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT PROJECT GOT DELAYED.

AND WHENEVER YOU HAVE A DELAY OF A PROJECT, THEY'D TAKE FIVE POINTS OFF THE NEXT APPLICATION.

SO THIS ONE SHOULD DO BETTER.

AND I THINK I GOT A GOOD FEELING AND WE'LL GET THE FUNDING THIS YEAR.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING, UH, IT'S DUE IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND THEY, EVERY, EVERY APPLICATION REQUIRES A RESOLUTION PASSED BY COUNSELING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, RUSS.

I'M GLAD DAVE, GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

I THINK THAT'LL BE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT HEADING FROM OLD TROY DOWN THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH WE'RE HAVING ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

SO THAT'LL BE, UM, THAT'D BE GOOD NEWS FOR ALL DOWN THERE.

UH, KNOW GLINT.

YEAH.

I'D ALSO, I'D SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LOOKING INTO THAT TIP GRANT.

AND, UM, THIS IS A VERY EXCITING PROJECT I THINK IS GONNA CREATE A TOTAL VISUAL IMPROVEMENT THROUGH THERE AND REALLY WELL, REALLY BRINGS SOME EASE AND TRAFFIC DOWN THERE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS GRANT APPLICATION ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

AND NEXT IS, UH,

[ Water Main Lining Project Update]

I AM THREE H RUSS.

YEAH, THIS IS MY TWO.

I KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER OR MY STEPHANIE PUT TOGETHER A POWERPOINT FOR ME.

I GAVE HER ALL THE INFORMATION.

HOPEFULLY I CAN PULL IT UP HERE, LET'S LEAVE IT THERE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE, UH, THE WATER MAIN LINING PROJECT WE DID, UH, THIS PAST TWO MONTHS.

UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'D GO, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER IT.

UH, THE TWO SLIDES, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY, UH, THE PROJECT DETAILS, THE PROJECT AMOUNT FOR THIS WAS 800, $10,000.

THE CONTRACTOR WAS SUEZ, WHICH IS A DIVISION OF THE SUEZ THAT WE HAVE HERE.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST WATER MAIN LINING PROJECT IN THE MIAMI VALLEY AREA.

UM, AND MOST OF SUEZ, PREVIOUS LINING PROJECTS WERE IN EASTERN OHIO AND SOME, UH, MOST OF IT ALL EAST TOWARDS EAST COAST, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF THEM OVER THE PAST, PROBABLY FIVE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT.

UH, THIS PROJECT WAS ON LONGFORD, BASCOM, CLAY BACK IN CLIFFWOOD.

UM, THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA WERE BUILT IN THE EARLY 1960S, WHICH MEANS THE WATER MAIN WAS ABOUT 60 YEARS OLD.

AND IT'S A CAST IRON PIPE, WHICH IF YOU GOOGLE IT, IT'LL TELL YOU 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS LIFE.

UM, THAT AREA OF PET LAST ONE DAY, WE HAD 30 WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THREE YEARS THERE.

I CAN SHOW YOU A MAP HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, THAT AREA YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.

UM, FOR SOME REASON IN THAT AREA, A LITTLE BIGGER RADIUS THAN WHAT I'M SHOWING THERE IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE MOST WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WELL, KIND OF IT INCREASED A LOT SINCE

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WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT CAUSED SOME OF THAT.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS EITHER DETERIORATED FROM THE SOILS BAD SOIL CONDITIONS.

UM, IT'S CORROSIVE SOIL, OR IT WAS JUST A LOT OF, UM, MAYBE BAD PIPE THAT YOU WERE PUT IN THE GROUND.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY GOT, SINCE THEY DID ALL THAT SECTION AT ONCE.

THEY COULD'VE GOT A CHEAPER PIPE SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S HARD TO TELL YOU CAN'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE.

IT'S A LOT OF IT HAS CORROSIVE HOLES IN IT THAT I'VE JUST WORN THROUGH THE PIPE AND THAT'S WHERE THE BREAK IS.

SO, UM, THAT'S UH, SAID WHERE WE'RE HAVING MOST OF OUR BREAKS.

UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE AREA WHERE THIS IS AT, THIS IS A LONG FOR RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM AND, UH, FAST THEM.

AND THEN CLAY BACKS OVER HERE.

AND THEN CLIFF WAS OVER HERE.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DOTS ARE THE BREAKS THAT WE'VE HAD.

UH, THE COLORS ARE JUST IN DIFFERENT YEARS.

SO LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST AREA IN PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD.

SO WE STARTED THERE, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, UH, WE INSTALLED 5,400 FEET OF LINING.

UH, IT WAS MOST MAINLY SIX INCH PIPE.

THERE WAS 10 INCH PIPE ON LONGFORD.

UH, WE HAD A TEMPORARY WATER SUPPLY PUT IN FOR THIS.

WE DID IT ON THE BOTTOM.

IT SAYS TWO PHASES.

WE DID BASCOM AND CLAY BACK FIRST AND GOT ALL THAT DONE AND MOVED ON TO LONGFORD IN CLIFFWOOD.

UH, THEY INSTALLED A TWO INCH PVC PIPE ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

AND, UH, WE MADE CONNECTIONS TO EACH HOUSE BY USING A HOSE FROM THAT.

AND THAT HOSE CONNECTED TO THAT WATER FAUCET ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE OR THROUGH THEIR WATER METER.

A LOT OF THE HOUSES HAD, UH, VALVES ON THEIR FAUCETS, SO THEY COULDN'T USE THOSE THAT'S WHEN THEY HAD TO USE THE WATER METER.

UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, WE REMOVED AND REPLACED ALL THE FIRE HYDRANTS, WHICH WAS EIGHT OF THEM WITH NEW FIREFIGHTERS.

AND WE MOVED TO REPLACE NINE WATER VOWELS.

UH, THERE WERE THREE CONTRACTORS ON THE JOB AT ALL TIMES.

IT WAS SUEZ DOING THE LINING, UH, CG CONSTRUCTION, DID ALL THE EXCAVATION WORK WITH THE VOWS AND HIGH-RISE REPLACEMENTS.

AND THEN BC HEATING AND PLUMBING DID ALL THE TEMPORARY PIPING OUT THERE.

THIS ISN'T A PICTURE OF HUBER.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS DOING A PRESENTATION.

I DIDN'T HAVE BLOOD.

I FOUND THIS ONE ON A, ON, ON A WEBSITE.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE SAME THING.

IT WAS A TWO INCH PIPE THAT WAS RUNNING EITHER IN FRONT OF THE SIDEWALK OR BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN AN EAST DRIVEWAY.

THERE WAS A LITTLE, UM, BLOCK THEY PUT IN, I GUESS, TO DRIVE OVER.

AND IN MOST CASES IT WORKED PRETTY WELL.

THERE ARE A FEW, UH, RESIDENTS THAT HAD LOW CARS LIKE CORVETTES AND THINGS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THEM TO, UH, EITHER PARK IN THE STREET OR REMOVED IT UP SO THEY COULD PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY AT THE TIME, BUT IT WORKED OUT, UH, THE ADVANTAGES OVER REPLACEMENT.

UM, WE DID A REPLACEMENT THE YEAR BEFORE ON HARSHMAN VILLE AND A COUPLE OF STREETS OVER THERE NEAR TILBURY.

I BELIEVE IT WAS A LINING OF PIPE LINING THE PIPES.

IT'S ABOUT 75% OF THE COST OF REPLACING.

SO THIS WAS $800,000 PROJECT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 1.1, $1.2 MILLION PROJECT, IF WE'VE REPLACED.

UH, ANOTHER ADVANTAGE IS THERE'S NO DESIGN NEEDED.

WHENEVER WE REPLACED, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS DONE SHOWING WHERE TO PUT THE NEW PIPE, AND IT'S A LOT EXTRA TIME AND EXTRA MONEY.

UM, THE CONSTRUCTION TIME FOR THIS TOOK, UH, IT TOOK SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS, UM, VERSUS ABOUT 12 TO PROBABLY 14 OR 16 WEEKS FOR REPLACEMENT.

SO IT'S ABOUT HALF THE TIME.

UH, WE HAD NO ROAD CLOSURES.

WE WERE DOWN TO ONE LANE AT MOST TIMES.

SO, BUT EVERYTHING STAYED OPEN.

UH, THERE WAS NO WATER MAIN BREAKS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

UH, WHEN WE DID THE HARSHMAN BILL PROJECT, WE PUT A NEW LINE IN ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THE OLD LINE.

AND WHEN WE DUG THE TRENCH THREE TIMES, IT HAPPENED THAT THE OLD ONE WOULD BLOW OUT BECAUSE WE GOT TOO CLOSE TO IT.

AND I THINK THE SOIL MUST'VE BEEN HOLDING IT TOGETHER, I GUESS.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT PROBLEM.

UH, THERE WAS MINIMAL SHUTTING OFF THE WATER TO THE RESIDENTS.

IT WOULD BE LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO AT THE BEGINNING.

AND THEN ONCE IN A WHILE, THEY HAD TO SHUT IT OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE TO DO SOMETHING.

BUT IN MOST CASES, THEY HAD THEIR WATER THE WHOLE TIME AND THEY PROVIDED THEM FREE WATER FOR THE TWO TO THREE WEEKS AT EACH HOUSE.

HAD THE BYPASS PUT ON, UH, THE SPECIFICATIONS IS, UM, THIS IS AN EPOXY LINING THAT MET, UH, EPA AND S F APPROVALS.

UH, IT HAS AN ESTIMATED LIFE OF 60 YEARS NOW.

UH, THERE'S NONE IN THE GROUND THAT LONG YET.

SO WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER IT WOULD BE 60 YEARS.

WE'RE HOPING, UH, THE LINING IS SPRAYED ON

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THREE MIL MILLIMETERS THICK.

I SAID, MILLILITERS SHOULD BE MILLIMETERS.

UM, AND, UH, AS IT GOES IN AND SPRAYS, I CAN SHOW YOU THE UNIT.

THIS IS ALSO PICTURE OFF THE INTERNET.

THEY PUT IT THROUGH AN, A PULL IT THROUGH FROM THE OTHER END.

SO THEY GO FROM LIKE A FIRE HYDRANT TO A FIRE HYDRANT, PULL THAT THROUGH.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SPRAYS LIKE A FAN AND JUST SPRAYS THE INSIDE.

AND THEN THE LAST PICTURE I THINK IS, UH, THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF, ONE OF OUR WATER MEANS HERE'S THE LINING AND SPRAYS INSIDE OF IT.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT VERY THICK, BUT IT'S VERY HARD SURFACE OR HER HEART.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD LAST A LONG TIME.

UM, SO, SO FAR SO GOOD.

WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ANY BREAKS ON IT.

WE'LL LOOK AGAIN AT WHETHER TO USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A LINING OR MAYBE GO BACK TO REPLACEMENT IF IT'S BECOMES A PROBLEM.

BUT SO FAR IT'S BEEN DOING FINE.

UH, LESSONS LEARNED FROM THIS, UH, WHAT WE LEARNED IS NOT TO DO PROJECT ALTOGETHER.

LIKE THE STREETS WERE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO A SECTION OF A STREET, MAYBE A BLOCK OR TWO, AND THEN MOVE A BLOCK OR TWO AWAY AND DO ANOTHER STREET OVER THERE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH GOING ON ALL IN ONE SPOT WITH TRAFFIC, WITH THE, UH, EXCAVATIONS THAT WERE IN THE STREET.

UH, IT WAS TOO MANY CARS, TOO MANY TRUCKS THAT EVERYTHING WAS TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.

UH, COORDINATION WAS KIND OF A PROBLEM.

THE PEOPLE WE WERE WORKING WITH HAD DONE JOBS BEFORE, BUT NEVER WORKED TOGETHER.