[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO SEE ME.
UH, THIS IS THE CITY RIGHTS, UH, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S DATE IS AUGUST 31ST, 2021.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 1 AND THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED AN ORDER.
AND MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW, DEAR MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE, MRS. BERG, MR. OTTO, DEAR MR. LYONS, MR. HILL, MR. WEBB, HERE WE ARE HERE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
TWO A IS, UH, THE AUGUST 17TH, 2021 MINUTES FROM NETWORK SESSION.THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THOSE MENTAL STANDS APPROVED.
[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
UP IS I'M THREE, WHICH IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE SPECIAL SESSION IS THE BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT.UH, WE HAD MADE A DECISION A FEW WEEKS AGO TO HAVE THIS AS KIND OF A STANDING ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA.
SO WE CAN KIND OF TALK THROUGH IT, GET ANY UPDATES FROM OUR CITY MANAGER, CITY STAFF, AND KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
AND THEN WE DECIDED THAT TONIGHT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE COULD JUST FOCUS ON AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS SURROUNDING THE ACTUAL REVITALIZATION PROJECT ITSELF.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COUNSELORS HAVE SOME IDEAS, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, GET SOME INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND JUST KIND OF HAVE A DISCUSSION AND KIND OF START THAT GROUND, UH, KIND OF GROUND ZERO HERE.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS I WILL START WITH SCOTT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO KIND OF LEAD US OFF.
LET'S START US OFF WITH, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE THE DISCUSSION GOES.
AND, UM, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
AND A GOOD CROWD OUT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO WHAT I HAVE TONIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR OUR POWERPOINT.
WHEN I FIGURED I WOULD GIVE YOU AS AN UPDATE ON THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON CURRENTLY, THINGS LIKE DEMOLITION AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS LIKE THE LIBRARY AND DOGTOWN, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, AND ALSO, UH, SHOW SOME OF THE PREVIOUS RENDERINGS, UM, AS THE PROGRESS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT HAVE COME ALONG.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SIT BACK AND LISTEN.
I'M LISTENING TO WHAT, UH, THE CITIZENS WANT, WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK ABOUT AND WE'LL TAKE NOTES AND MOVE FORWARD AND SEE WHERE WE END UP HERE.
SO IT SOUNDS GOOD THINKING LONG AS THINGS WORK.
UH, THIS WAS, UH, PRIOR TO MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY, UH, BACK, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND, UM, 2008 OR SO THERE WAS A, UH, KIND OF A TOWN CENTER PROJECT.
AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, THERE WERE SOME CONCEPTS THROWN OUT THEN THAT HAD SOME OFFICE TYPE USES, UM, A COMMUNITY ARTS CENTER, UH, BREAKING UP THE HUBRIS CENTER AND HAVING SOME, UH, STREETS THAT GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE, UM, DOWN AT THE SOUTHERN END, UH, THE PROPERTIES THAT, UH, HAVE, UH, WHAT WAS USED TO BE THE CR DATE AND PROPERTY WHERE, UH, THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES AND THE POST OFFICE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO, UH, THERE, THIS WAS A, AN ORIGINAL CONCEPT, UM, UTILIZING, AGAIN, SOME RESTAURANTS AND SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL SPACE AND OFFICE SPACE ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
THERE WAS ALSO A, UH, A, A, A PLAN FOR SOUTH OF THE HUBER CENTER, UM, THAT INCLUDED, UH, TOWNHOMES OFFICE SPACE, UM, AND SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THIS WAS, UH, SOMETHING, UH, ONCE AGAIN, BACK AROUND THAT 2008 TIMEFRAME, UM, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED AT THAT POINT.
THE TIME IT DID SWITCH OVER THAT PREMIER PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND BUILT THAT FIRST BUILDING FOR THAT MEDICAL BUILDING ON WHAT WAS GOOD SAM WAY.
AND NOW IT'S CHANGED TO MIAMI VALLEY WAY.
SO, UH, SINCE THEN, UH, WE DO HAVE THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND THEN ALSO NOW THE CITY HAS PURCHASED A LOT OF THIS LAND AND HAS STARTED SOME OF THE DEMOLITION PROJECTS AND, UM, ENTERED IN SOME, TO SOME AGREEMENTS FOR SOME OTHER PROJECTS THEMSELVES.
SO, UH, THIS IS A RENDERING THAT ALSO I CAME FROM THE BRAND PIPE REVITALIZATION STUDY.
SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE WAS, UH, UH, SOME CONCEPTS THROWN OUT THAT, UH, UTILIZED, UH, MOVING THINGS TO THE FRONT, OUT TO BRANDT PIKE, AND THEN ALSO HAVING SOME, UH, MULTIFAMILY USES AND SOME OFFICE USES, UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH, UH, COMPLETELY REDOING THE HUBRIS CENTER AREA, BUT THE TOP BREAKING THAT BUILDING UP AND PUSHING MORE OUT, LOTS OUT TO THE FRONT ITSELF.
UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE, HERE'S JUST A KIND OF AN ARTIST RENDERING FROM ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, UH, CHAMBERSBURG AND BRANT PIKE.
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UM, KIND OF, UH, WITH WHEN THE NEW LIBRARY IDEA CAME.UH, THERE WAS A CONCEPT OF HAVING THAT OUT ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, BUT AS WE KNOW, THAT HAS CHANGED AND NOW THE LIBRARY IS, UH, UH, GOING TO BE ALONG THE INTERSECTION OF MIAMI VALLEY WAY.
SO HERE IS A RENDERING THAT LWCC DID LWCC IS THE ARCHITECT THAT IS WORKING ON THE LIBRARY, AND THEY ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON SOME RENOVATIONS OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT FRONTS OUT ONTO BRANDT PIKE THAT HAS, UH, SOME OF THE USERS LIKE SUBWAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF USERS.
UM, I'VE GOT SOME RENDERINGS HERE THAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU HERE IN JUST A MINUTE OF, UH, SOME OF THAT, UH, POTENTIAL, UM, THAT, UH, LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION ON THAT, THAT, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH AND, UH, DISCUSS THIS PLAN AS WELL.
HAS SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE HAS, UH, SOME CIVIC SPACE, UM, A MULTI-FAMILY SPACE, UH, SENIOR SPACE.
SO IT'S, UH, BASICALLY EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THE YEARS HAS BEEN MULTI-USE PROJECTS THAT, UH, UH, TRIES TO INCORPORATE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE LATEST ONE THAT CAME THROUGH THAT SHOWS THE LIBRARY.
THE LIBRARY ITSELF NOW HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAN WHAT THIS ORIGINAL, UH, CONCEPTS SHOWS.
UM, BUT, UH, IT ALSO, UM, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF, UM, AS I MENTIONED, SOME CIVIC SPACE.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY OF, UH, COMBINING, UH, SOME GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE RENTING SPACE.
SO THERE'S OPTIONS OF OUR WATER DEPARTMENT, OUR TAX DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSION UP HERE ABOUT OUR SENIOR CENTER, UM, ABOUT, UH, IF THEY NEED SOME MORE SPACE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, UH, BUILDING SOMETHING THERE, UM, AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT COMBINES ALL OF THIS AND MAYBE, UH, THOSE KINDS OF USES AS WELL.
SO THOSE OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.
UM, WE'RE, UH, NOT CLOSING THE DOOR FOR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION.
THE, UM, HERE'S JUST ANOTHER, A LITTLE KIND OF A RENDERING, A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT.
I CAN TELL YOU OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, UM, AS YOU SEE THE SITE, THE NORTH PART OF THE MARION MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER HAS, UH, THAT DEMOLITION HAS OCCURRED.
UM, SO DOWN TO THE FURNITURE STORE.
AND IF YOU RECALL, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, A GRANT FUNDING FOR THE FURNITURE STORE PER PORTION THAT IS COMING TO CITY COUNCIL TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK FOR AWARDING OF THE BID FOR THAT ONE.
SO WITH TALKING WITH MR. BERGMAN ON THAT, UH, THAT'S DEMOLITION WILL START IN OCTOBER.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE NEXT PIECE THERE.
UM, THE, UH, THEN CONTINUING TO THE SOUTH, YOU HAVE THE, UH, DOGTOWN PIECE THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE, UH, UTILIZING, WHICH USED TO BE SIT, STAY IN PLAY THAT, UH, DEMOLITION WILL COME AFTER THEY BUILD THEIR NEW FACILITY WHERE THEIR NEW FACILITY IS GOING TO GO.
AS PART OF THAT, L-SHAPED BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
UH, WE RECEIVED WORD FROM THE CONTRACTORS THAT, THAT DEMOLITION OF THAT BACK PART SHOULD START WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.
SO YOU'LL STILL SEE THAT HERE COMING UP THE FRONT PIECE THAT, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THAT HAS THOSE COMMERCIAL SITES, UH, THAT FRONT OUT ON TO BRAND PIKE.
THAT IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO RENOVATE THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, TO UPDATE THE FACADE, UM, AND, UH, CREATE SOME, UH, BETTER SPACES IN THAT AREA.
SO THIS SHOWS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CORNER OF THAT BUILDING, UH, PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE UP AND AT THE TWO END CAPS WOULD HAVE SOME USABLE SPACE, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR, UH, WHETHER IT'S RESTAURANT TYPE USES THAT HAS SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, A RENDERING FROM, UH, LWCC FOR HOW THE SPACE WORKS BETWEEN DOGTOWN THERE TO THE REAR AND THE SPACES OUT FRONT REALIGNING.
SOME OF THE PARKING OUT FRONT THAT WOULD BE REPAVING THE AREA, ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING, AND THEN UPDATING THE FACADE AND CREATING USABLE SPACE.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A, WHAT I'LL CALL AN ALLEY SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
UH, THEY SAW THAT AS POTENTIAL AS, UH, HAVING THAT AS USABLE SPACE, CLOSING THAT OFF TO TRAFFIC, AND WHETHER THAT'S A SEATING AREA, WHETHER IT'S FOR A USER ON EITHER SIDE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WITH THE ACCESS POINTS COMING FROM THE NORTH, THERE WOULDN'T BE A NECESSITY TO HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY ACCESS BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS OFF OF FITCHBURG ROAD.
AND THEN ALSO FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH ITSELF IN THIS DESIGN, UM, IT WOULD BE,
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UM, THERE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THIS BUILDING FROM FITCHBURG ROAD AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, AND THEN ALSO FROM DOGTOWN IN ANY OTHER USE.SO THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING WILL BE, UH, UPDATED AS WELL.
AND, UH, WITH, WITH PAINTING FINISHES, LANDSCAPING, ALL OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK SO MUCH LIKE A BACK OF A BUILDING AND OUT GOOD.
HERE'S A, A, A RENDERING OF THE, UM, BUILDING ITSELF WITH ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL TALLER FEATURES, PUTTING A LITTLE MORE DEPTH TO IT, UM, GETTING RID OF THE OVERALL CANOPY THAT GOES ACROSS, AND THEN JUST ADDING AWNINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS FOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS AS IT GOES THROUGH.
SO UPDATING THE MASON, RAINY ALONG THE FRONTS, UH, SOME STUCCO USE SOME STONEWORK, SOME BRICK WORK, UH, FOR A, A COMBINATION OF, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES TO GIVE IT A GOOD BLEND.
THIS ALSO WOULD ALLOW FOR, AS I MENTIONED, SOME SEATING AREA, UH, WHETHER IT'S FOR A RESTAURANT USE OR JUST GATHERING SPACE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, PARKING WOULD BE STILL IN THE FRONT ON THIS ONE, UM, WHERE WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MOVE THE BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE PARKING TO THE REAR ON THIS.
BUT, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, FUTURE BUILDINGS, WE CAN TRY TO MOVE THE PARKING OFF THE STREET.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LIBRARY THAT THE BUILDING IS UP AT THE STREET AND THE PARKING'S IN THE BACK OF THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A, A GOAL ALONG THE BRAND PIKE CORRIDOR IS TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT USE, UH, UH, LESS VISIBLE FROM SCHOOL PARKING, SORRY.
SO, AND THEN, UH, DOGTOWN ITSELF, UH, HERE'S A RENDERING OF, UH, THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AN UPDATE ON THAT MR. FOSTER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I BELIEVE IT WAS YESTERDAY THAT, UH, JUST ABOUT THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL THEIR PLANS, GETTING READY TO PUSH SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THEIR SITES, AND THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR BUILDING.
HERE'S A, UH, RENDERING OF WHAT, UH, IT, UH, MAY LOOK LIKE AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
THESE ARE, LIKE I SAID, SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
UM, THE LIBRARY, THEY HAD THEIR SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
UH, THEY ARE ALL SYSTEMS GO MOVING FORWARD.
THEY'RE HOPING TO HAVE A DESIGN DRAWINGS.
NOW THEY'VE HAD SOME MORE OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO BE ABLE TO ALSO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS, UM, ON, ON THE SITES, UM, THERE.
SO, WHICH IS ABOUT A FOUR ACRE SITE, UM, IN ADDITION, THE AREA WHERE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN THE DEMOLITION ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF THE MARION MEADOWS BUILDING, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT, THERE IS, UH, THERE WAS SOME, UH, SOILS THERE, THERE THERE'S STILL A CONCRETE PAD THAT'S LOCATED THERE THAT WILL BE REMOVED AT SOME OF THOSE SOILS CAUSE THAT USED TO BE A TRIED CLEANERS.
AND SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE AN OLD DRY CLEANERS, SO PRETTY MUCH YOU HAVE TO REMOVE SOME OF THE SOIL OUT OF THAT AND REPLACE WITH, UH, SOME ENGINEERED FILL, UH, SOME, UH, NEW SOIL.
SO OUR, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS HAVE LOOKED AT ALL THAT.
AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, THE NEXT STEP ON THAT END AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN AND, UH, HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE UPDATE OF WHERE THANKS, SCOTT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, AS YOU SHOWED SOME OF THOSE OLDER RENDERINGS BACK FROM EVEN THE TIME BEFORE YOU WERE HERE, I KNOW A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF THAT STUFF YOU'RE SHOWING LIKE THAT CONSISTENT GOING ALL THE WAY UP EVEN TO KIND OF ENCOMPASS THE HEBREW CENTER.
SO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, AS WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, I MEAN, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD AND A LOT OF FEEDBACK OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF SENTIMENT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED THIS BEFORE AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T KNOW.
AND MARK, I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK, I THINK YOU, YOU WERE HERE.
CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT OLD TOWN CENTER DESIGN WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, JUST SO WE CAN ALL HAVE AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND THE REASON THAT THOSE OLD DESIGNS AS OLD DRAWINGS ARE THAT THAT TOWN CENTER PROJECT DIDN'T HAPPEN, JUST SO WE HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE OF WHY, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING NOW, DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT.
AND I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN JUST KIND OF GIVE US JUST A BRIEF HISTORY OF THAT PROCESS.
THE BIGGEST COMPONENTS THAT FELL THROUGH WAS THE TOWN PROJECT, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE SENIOR HOUSING.
IT WAS A TAX CREDIT PROJECT AND THEY, UH, FELL SHORT ON THE POINTS AND DIDN'T RECEIVE THE TAX
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CREDIT.THE SECOND, UH, PROBLEM WAS WITH GOOD SAM AND THEY WERE LOOKING TO BUILD, UM, A HOSPITAL FACILITY SIMILAR TO GOOD SAM NORTH.
AND AS THEY PROCEEDED FORWARD, UH, THE STUDIES INDICATED THAT THE NEED WASN'T, UH, THE SAME AS WHEN THEY FIRST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEIR PROJECT WAS SCALED BACK.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW IS THAT THE CITY TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE IN CONTROL AND, UH, DATING BACK TO THE EARLY EIGHTIES EVERY TIME THE CITY HAS, UH, UH, TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND GUIDED THEIR DESTINY AND THEIR FUTURE.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCCESSFUL DATING ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY BACK TO A CENTER POINT 72, 35 AND 70.
SO, UH, THE CITY CONTROLS THE EIGHT REACH NOW, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
SO THE, SO THE, THE PLAN BEFORE THERE WAS A DEVELOPER THAT WAS GOING TO PURCHASE EVEN THE HUBRIS CENTER AND ALL THAT OTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS GOING TO TIE THEM TOGETHER.
CAUSE THAT PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW IS BASICALLY DAIRY QUEEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WILEY'S WINGS, ALL THAT STUFF HEADING UP TOWARDS CHAMBERSBURG.
THAT WAS ALL PART OF THAT ORIGINAL PLAN THAT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T GET THEIR TAX CREDITS.
THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT OFF OF PREMIERE THAT'S BEHIND MARION MEADOWS, RIGHT.
PROPERTIES WAS GOING TO BUILD THE SENIOR HOUSING.
WE WERE GOING TO BUY MARION MOTORS AT THE TIME, BUT ALL OF IT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE TOWN, PROPERTY, PROJECT FALLING APART AND THE HOSPITAL NOT CONSTRUCTING A FULL FLEDGE HOSPITAL.
YOU BARELY GOT THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO YOU JUST, YOU JUST STARTED SEEING YOUR INVESTORS SCALE BACK ON THE PROJECT.
AND SCOTT, I REMEMBER YOU GAVE A PRESENTATION IN THE ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE MEETING ONCE AND, AND LISTED ALL THAT OUT.
SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH THAT IN DETAIL, I THINK THE CITY HAS THAT MAYBE EVEN ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A FAMILY WANTS TO SEE THAT.
I JUST, I APPRECIATE THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT AT ONE TIME WAS A PLAN.
THEY KNOW THERE WAS A PLAN THAT FELL APART, BUT NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHY, WHAT HAPPENED, WHO WAS INVOLVED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME GOOD BACKGROUND ON WHAT ISSUE THERE WAS AND WHAT HAPPENED.
AND NOW WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY.
SO THE HOSPITAL WAS GOING TO FUND WITH JOBS OR ROAD THAT WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE UBERS CENTER AND CONNECT TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
AS SOON AS THE HOSPITALS SCALED, THERE WEREN'T JOBS THAT WERE GOING TO CREATE INCOME TAX TO PAY FOR THAT ROAD.
I THINK, I THINK THAT PROJECT WAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TO $3 MILLION JUST TO BUILD THE ROAD.
UM, I KNOW THAT ST PETER'S THE PRIEST OF ST PETER'S WAS INVOLVED.
UH, HIS INTEREST WAS THE PERFORMING ARTS COMPONENT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS, UH, GOING TO BE, UH, FACILITATED WHERE THE OLD KROGER BUILDING WAS.
BUT WHEN THE TWO MAJOR INVESTMENTS FELL THROUGH THE HOSPITAL AND TOWN PROPERTIES, YOU LOST YOUR CAPITAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONFIGURATIONS HERE AND LIKE THIS ONE SHOWS A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BACKED BY THE HOUSES.
AND I THINK THAT NOW THAT WE'VE PURCHASED THAT LAND, WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP ALL THAT.
SO I'M WONDERING WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING IN THAT ONE AREA? OKAY.
UM, I'LL MOVE FORWARD HERE, HERE.
UM, SO ON THIS LATEST PLAN, IF YOU INCLUDE, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT THE, THE REAR IS ABOUT 15 ACRES, AND THEN THE FRONT IS ABOUT, UH, EIGHT TO NINE MORE ACRES TOTAL.
SO THERE'S ABOUT, UH, ON THAT, UH, UH, 25 ACRES OR SO, UM, ONE THING YOU BROUGHT UP WAS ABOUT FOR THAT, RIGHT.
BUT RE LIBRARIES FOR, UH, DOG TOWNS, ONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE, THAT THAT WAS, UH, THAT THERE WILL BE BUFFER OF SOME SORT NEXT TO ANY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE BUILT INTO ANY KIND OF PLANS.
UM, SO IN DISCUSSING THAT, LIKE EVERY ONE OF THE PLANS HAS GREEN SPACE AND, UH, QUITE A BIT OF GREEN SPACE THAT W THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT THAT'S, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IN ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, WE DO IT, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING MORE CENTRALIZED, UH, THE GREEN SPACE AT THE REAR, UH,
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THAT THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT.SO ONE, IT CREATES MORE BUFFER, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT'S PARK SPACE, IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, AND WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARKS THAT'S ARE OFF THE ROAD THAT YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE STREET FROM A SAFETY CONCERN.
UH, SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ON HOW THAT GETS BUILT OUT.
AND SOME OF THESE OLDER PLANS THAT HAVE, UH, I SAID SOME OF THAT, UH, PARKLAND IN THE BACK ABOUT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE, UH, VISIBLE AND SAFE FOR ANY OF THE KIDS THAT USE IT, OR PEOPLE THAT USE IT THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE DO ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE'VE PURCHASED, AS FAR AS THE, THE MARION PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY BACK BEHIND IT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE TOTAL? SO THEN ONCE YOU TAKE OUT THE FOUR ACRES FOR THE LIBRARY, YOU TAKE OUT AN ACRE FOR DOGTOWN.
HOW MANY ACRES LEFT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OF DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY AT THAT SITE? UH, APPROXIMATELY 20, 22 ACRES.
SECOND QUESTION WAS, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS ACCESS FROM, UM, FITCHBURG, SO YOU WEREN'T LOOKING TO MAKE THAT PATH BACK THERE INTO A ROAD, BUT SOMETHING MORE THAT THE BUSINESSES THERE COULD USE, UM, IF WE ARE, AND THIS IS, UH, THIS HAS NO INPUT INTO ANY PARTICULAR DESIGN, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES AND RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER, IN HERE THAT ENTRANCE TO FROM PITTSBURGH RIGHT NOW, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT GOES INTO THE SUBWAY, WHICH IS PRETTY SQUIRRELY ACTUALLY FURTHER OVER NEXT TO THE BOOSTER CENTER THAT, UH, THAT DRIVEWAY, OH, THE ONE BEHIND OVER THERE.
SO THAT IS STILL GOING TO REMAIN A ROAD, OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THAT OFF.
UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT REMAINS A ROAD BACK TO ACCESS.
I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION AS A BASELINE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SHORT MEETING IF NOBODY.
WE WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS, UM, SCOTT REAL QUICK, UH, BACK IN AUGUST OF, UH, 2020, UM, THIS, UH, THIS COUNCIL, UH, WENT INTO AN AGREEMENT, UM, WITH, UH, UH, WITH A REAL ESTATE AGENT, KIND OF A STRAW BUYER.
UM, I BELIEVE, UM, COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DEALS WENT THROUGH, UH, ALMOST CLOSE TO ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
GIVE OR TAKE, CAN YOU ADVISE THIS COUNCIL? I BELIEVE THAT AGREEMENT HAS DONE IT ENDED IN FEBRUARY, UNLESS IT WAS CONTINUED.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF, BUT CAN YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT THE CITY GOT OUT OF THAT AGREEMENT? UM, YES.
UH, SO ONE, THE, THE AGREEMENT IS DONE.
SO, UM, AS THAT PORTION, THE DOGTOWN AGREEMENT, UH, PART OF THE PURCHASES OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, UM, THE, SOME OF THE CONNECTIONS TO SOME OF THE, UH, UM, USERS THAT WE HAVE FOR, I GUESS, LIKE I SAID, THE EXISTING GROUP THAT, UH, THAT OUTFRONT, WE HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THAT THERE WAS CONNECTIONS THERE BROUGHT FORWARD.
UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF HANDLING LANDSCAPING, HANDLING, COLLECTING, RENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT AGREEMENTS.
SO PURCHASES THE NEW AGREEMENTS AND CONNECTIONS TO OTHER CONTRACTORS.
AND, AND, AND THIS MAY BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A JOINT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MR. FOSTER AS WELL.
UM, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE POTENTIAL OF FULFILLING EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UM, BUSINESS LOCATIONS, COMMERCIAL AREAS, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS WITH YOUR CONVERSATIONS THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, THE INQUIRIES WE'RE RECEIVING IN THE MARKET INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, IT'S REASONABLE.
IT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR US TO ASSUME THAT THE MAJORITY OF CR DAYTON WOULD BE FILLED, UM, AND REMAIN FILLED, UM, IN THAT TIME PERIOD, BUT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM ADDITIONAL BUSINESS VICTORIES BEYOND THAT TENANT SCOPE, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, I WOULD SAY IS NOT TO BE, UH, THAT WOULD NOT BE A HIGH EXPECTATION.
THAT WOULD BE A HIGH EXPECTATION TO HAVE,
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OKAY.SO, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH AND MAKING SURE THAT I FULLY UNDERSTAND CR DATE AND WE, WE CAN ASSUME WILL REMAIN SUSTAINABLE AND FULL IT'S THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ASPECT THAT WE CAN'T SPEAK TO.
BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE REVITALIZATION PLAN, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO ACQUIRE THROUGH BUXTON, UH, WHICH IS THE MARKET RESEARCH ORGANIZATION THAT KIND OF SETS THE, UM, IT IS THE MEASURING STICK, UH, THAT IS USED, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND HOSPITALITY DEVELOPMENT, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION AND THE INQUIRIES THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY RECEIVING ON.
AND WE DO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ACTIVE INQUIRIES.
YES, CR DAYTON BEING LEASED TO A HIGH PERCENTAGE, 80%, 90%, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION GROWTH BEYOND THAT.
UM, I WOULD SAY TO TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, ADDITIONALLY, BRIAN, IF I, IF I MAY, UH, SCOTT, UM, WHAT TYPE OF OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAD WE HAVE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARTNERS, UH, SUCH AS LIKE, UH, THE DATE AND DEVELOPMENT COALITION, MCRPC JOBS, OHIO.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, PIECE IN OUR TOWN.
THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BRING SOME, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY JOBS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF KEY COMPONENTS.
A LOT OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS AND REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS WOULD HAVE AVAILABILITY TO, CAN YOU LIGHTEN ON SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS? SURE.
SO FROM A GENERAL SENSE, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH, UH, THE DDC AND WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, THE FOCUS THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE IS HOW TO ASSIST IN ENSURING THAT WORKFORCE, UM, IN SOME CAPACITIES BEING ADDRESSED, UH, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS ENSURING THAT THE WORKFORCE THAT WE HAVE REMAINS STRONG OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GROWING THAT WORKFORCE AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS SITE OR OTHER SITES IN, IN HUBER, UM, ARE GEARED TOWARDS THAT, OR ARE OPEN TO THAT.
UH, THAT'S A FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ON A REGULAR AND CONSISTENT BASIS WITH RESPECT TO, UM, GROWING OR LOCATING SPECIFIC, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE ECONOMY AND THE COUNTY ECONOMY.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH BASED ON MOST RFAS REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, UH, THAT THE COUNTY OR THAT JOBS OHIO SEES.
UM, MOST OF THOSE COME IN IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A HUNDRED ACRES OR THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETHING, A GREENFIELD THAT THEY CAN TURN OVER AND PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET ON, YOU KNOW, IN SIX MONTHS.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT THIS SITE REPRESENTS.
SO THEY ARE ACTIVE AND THEY ARE CONCERNED.
WE ACTUALLY HAD, UH, THE COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OUT HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO.
WE DID A TOUR OF THE CITY, UH, TALKED ABOUT OUR PLANS AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, INCLUDING THE SITE, UM, AND THAT WAS OF INTEREST TO THEM.
SO WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM.
THEY CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED IN THE CONVERSATION, UH, AND THEY, THEY TRY TO OFFER THE HELP AND ASSISTANCE THAT, UH, THAT THEY CAN WHEN THEY CAN.
UH, BUT OVERALL, RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AND PRIORITIES, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS SITE ARE RESTRICTED BASED ON SIZE, OR THE FACT THAT IT'S ALREADY, IF THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A HURDLE FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE WORKFORCE COMPONENT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MORE WORKFORCE AS IN JOBS OR WORKFORCE AS IN HOUSING, OR ARE A COMBINATION OF BOTH? SO IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
THE MANTRA THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY IS THERE ARE REALLY TWO APPROACHES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THE FIRST APPROACH IS, UH, YOU DEVELOP THE JOBS, UH, YOU DEVELOP, SO YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYER AND THE EMPLOYER HAS THE JOBS, AND THEN PEOPLE WILL MOVE IN PROXIMITY TO THOSE JOBS.
CONVERSELY, THE OTHER APPROACH IS YOU CREATE THE EMPLOYMENT BASED.
SO YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYEES AND YOU HAVE HAVE THOSE, THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE TRAINED AND THEN BUSINESSES WILL LOCATE TOWARDS, UH, TOWARDS THAT, THAT EMPLOYMENT BASED OUR PERSPECTIVE OR OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN THAT LADDER.
SO BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO DATE AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE AND DIVERSE POPULATION HERE, UH, WE'VE CONTINUED TO FOCUS ON WORKFORCE BEING, UM, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HERE, BEING, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS OR THE RETRAINING COMPONENTS THAT, UH, OUR EXISTING WORKFORCE POPULATION NEEDS TO STAY RELEVANT WITHIN THE ECONOMY, UH, AND WITHIN THE MARKET.
AND THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, AND THAT'S ELEMENT THAT WE SEE IN MANY THE, THE, UM, THE MANY OF THE DEVELOPER MEETINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING.
SO, UM, WE'VE SEEN INTEREST FROM, UM, 60% AMI, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO, UM, RENTS WOULD BE BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME RELATIVE TO 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AND WE'VE SEEN THAT NUMBER GO AS HIGH
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AS 80% AMI.UH, SO, UH, THERE IS A DESIRE TO BRING ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING HERE.
AND SO, UH, WE CONTINUE TO BE OPEN TO BOTH WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS, BOTH WITH, UH, OUR, OUR ASSOCIATES AT THE COUNTY AND AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND WE CONTINUE TO BE OPEN TO, TO THAT CONCEPT WHERE WE'RE MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS.
AND, AND, AND I KIND OF LED YOU INTO THAT QUESTION BECAUSE NEXT MONTH, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WHEN IT COMES TO JOB ATTRACTION AND RETENTION HERE IN THE DAYTON REGION.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM JP NECESS OFFICE, JEFF HOAGLAND, UM, AND, AND MANY OTHERS FROM THE REGION.
THAT'S REALLY GOING TO TALK JUST ABOUT A LOT OF THAT.
UH, NOT ONLY HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WITHIN THE REGION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART TO LOOK AT IS TO SEE WHAT IS OUR CURRENT STOCK OF WORKFORCE HOUSING NOW, OR, YOU KNOW, IS IT AS AN ACT, DO WE NEED TO IMPROVE IT? IS THIS A SITE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? UH, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE JOBS POTENTIAL WITHIN THE REGION OR THE CITY, WHERE'S THAT EDUCATION COMPONENT AND THAT PARTNERSHIP COMING TO, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDLES THAT GO INTO THAT.
UM, SO I LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED WITH THAT.
THANK YOU, BRIAN, ARE YOU READY? WHAT ELSE? GLENN, YOU GOT A FEW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THIS SLIDE, AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I'M KIND OF BREAKING IT DOWN.
THEY, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, THEY'RE NUMBER THREE ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER, UM, ALREADY EXISTING.
I LIKED THE, UH, THE VISUAL THAT WAS PRESENTED AND WE KNOW DOGTOWN IS GOING IN THERE AND RIGHT BEHIND IT, IN THAT NUMBER FOUR, WE KNOW THE LIBRARY IS GOING IN NUMBER ONE, RIGHT THERE.
UM, QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER TWO FOURS, BECAUSE THESE WERE THE ONLY TWO COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIAL TYPE BUILDINGS THAT I SEE AS BEING AVAILABLE THERE.
WHAT TYPE, HOW LARGE ARE THOSE? WHAT'S THE FOOTPRINT JUST LOOKING AT THIS, OR WE'RE TALKING TO SMALL BUSINESSES FOR ONE, IT, IT COULD BE A BLANK SLATE.
IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT TYPE USE.
IT COULD BE OTHER RETAIL TYPE USES.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE IS TO LISTEN TO SEE WHAT THE INTEREST IS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THE MARKETS IS, SO, UM, THERE, THE REASON I ASKED JUST SIZE-WISE, IT JUST DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE OVERLY BIG.
UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD HOUSE, MAYBE TWO BUSINESSES BASED JUST BASED ON THAT VIEW, LOOKING AT IT.
AND THAT REALLY DOESN'T LEAVE.
I'M LOOKING TO A WORD THAT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH IS WALKABILITY.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE HOT BUTTON WHEN WE WERE DOING THE, UM, REVITALIZATION STUDY.
AND I, I JUST, I'M NOT SEEING ANY HERE.
I'M SEEING A PLACE WHERE I CAN DRIVE IN, HOP OUT, DO MY BUSINESS AND DRIVE AWAY AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE HITTING THAT GOAL WHATSOEVER.
I CAN EITHER LIVE HERE OR DRIVE IN AND DO SOMETHING.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE ON THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING.
ARE WE LOOKING AT JUST BASICALLY WATER, WATER COMPANY, TAX OFFICE, PULLING OUT WHERE WE RENT NOW, PUTTING THEM INTO A SMALL MUNICIPAL BUILDING.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
LIKE WE SAID, THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, ABOUT EXPANDING, UH, ATTRACTIONS OF WHAT, UH, THEY COULD UTILIZE TO A COMBINATION.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE, WE'VE THROWN OUT LOTS OF IDEAS, UM, OUT, UH, THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FIRE DEPARTMENT TYPE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION OF, UH, WHAT ALL THOSE THINGS COULD BE.
UM, BUT, UH, WITH THE CONNECTION WITH THE LIBRARY, UH, YOU DID MENTION ABOUT WALKABILITY.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE WITH THE LIBRARY ABOUT HOW THAT ACCESS OFF OF BRAND PIKE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD TWO MAIN ENTRANCES.
THIS WILL BE THE ONLY LIBRARY IN THEIR WHOLE, UH, CATALOG THAT HAS TWO MAIN ENTRANCES BECAUSE OF MAKING SURE THERE IS WALKABILITY THAT'S, UH, SINCE THERE'S A BUS STOP RIGHT THERE, THAT, THAT ACCESS POINT THAT IT'S NOT JUST ACCESSED FROM THE PARKING LOT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO HAVING THAT CORRIDOR OF, UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL TYPE, THE LIBRARY, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE COULD UTILIZE, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL CAN BE PUT TOGETHER AND CONNECTED.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION TO THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPTUAL PLAN WOULD BE WHERE THE INPUT CAME FROM TO DRAW THIS UP.
UM, UH, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, JUST, IS, WAS THIS JUST THROWN LWCC, HEY, SEE, YOU KNOW, PULL SOMETHING OUT, SEE WHAT YOU CAN
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PUT OUT THERE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN YOUR OPINION, OR WAS THIS SOME STAFF INPUT OR WHERE DID THIS CONCEPTUAL, WHERE WAS IT BORN? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT AS, UH, I WAS, UH, UH, NOT THE, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, SO I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME.SO THIS, THIS ACTUAL DRAWING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE AWHILE.
I BELIEVE WAS IT, UH, PRESENTED IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OR SOMETHING? I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, I THINK THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE TOWN I DID BACK IN DECEMBER.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I THINK JUST TO KIND OF GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED IN, WE STARTED TRYING TO THINK ABOUT SOME DIRECTION, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.
I'M A FAN OF, UH, A NEW CITY HALL HAVING, UH, SO WE LOOK AT THAT SPACE LOOKING AT A CIVIC SPACE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE CITY HALL LIBRARY, HAVING A COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS, BUSINESSES, THE EXISTING CRD PROPERTY.
THERE HAS, UH, BUSINESSES ALREADY, AND THEN SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT'S CREATING THAT SPACE WHERE PEOPLE DO LIVE AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO.
SO IF WE HAD A, AND I THINK THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS CITY HALL, AND THEN WE COULD THEN MOVE OUR, SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE NUMBER'S BEEN THROWN OUT.
WE, WE PAY ABOUT $70,000 A YEAR IN RENT TO THE HEBREW CENTER FOR OUR WATER APARTMENT AND TAX DEPARTMENT.
THAT LOAN NOT RENT IS BASICALLY SUBSIDIZE A MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT SERVICE, RIGHT? LET ME SHOW A MILLION DOLLAR PAYMENT ABOUT $70,000 A YEAR, AND THEN MOVE THOSE TWO COMPONENTS INTO EXISTING SPACE HERE, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GROWING, WE KNOW THAT, UM, AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE HERE, AS, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE CENSUS, THE CITY HAS GIVEN, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES AND WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE.
SO IF WE'RE GROWING, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEXT 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
THE SAME AS, UM, THE COUNCIL WAS LOOKING 30 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY LEFT THE CITY HALL UP ON TAYLORSVILLE AND DECIDED TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE SAME TYPE OF, UM, SAME TYPE OF IDEAS AND, AND SUSTAIN WHAT OUR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE LONG-TERM AGAIN.
AND THEN BY COMBINING IN THE SAME BUILDING, IF WE'RE CONSTRUCTING AT THE SAME TIME, HAVE THE SENIOR CENTER COMPONENT, PART OF THAT MAKE IT PART OF THE SAME BUILDING, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A NEW CITY HALL.
THEN YOU TAKE A W WE WOULD THEN LEAVE A BIG PART OF THIS SPACE AND THIS BUILDING OPEN FOR THE TAX AND WATER DEPARTMENT AND THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE HERE.
WE SAVE THOSE DOLLARS, PUT THAT INTO THE NEW, THE NEW FACILITY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SENIOR CENTER THAT IS IN DIRE NEED OF UPGRADES AND UPDATES AND SPACE AND ROOM FOR THEM TO HAVE THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WANT TO DO HAVE THAT ALL PART OF THAT SAME CIVIC SPACE AND THE RIGHT THERE BY THE LIBRARY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME THAT WAS HERE, BUT, UH, HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE SENIOR CENTER AND HE SAYS, MY GOSH, IF THERE'S A LIBRARY THERE AND A SENIOR CENTER, AND WE HAVE THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY GOING ON, HE SAID, IF I LEAVE MY HOUSE, I'D COME HERE AND I WOULDN'T GO HOME UNTIL NIGHT AND I'D STAY HERE ALL DAY BECAUSE THERE'S ACTIVITIES FOR THEM TO DO.
I MEAN, CAN YOU EXPRESS THAT OPINION? SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, BUT TRUTHFULLY IT'S IT'S, AS YOU SAID, IT'S A BLANK CANVAS.
WE CAN SET THE, UM, THE TONE AND THE DESIRE, BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE, AND WE CAN START IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT THEN ULTIMATELY TOO, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE BEAR? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EIGHT HALF MILLION DOLLARS, $9 MILLION IN THIS PROJECT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RETURN BACK AND A ZERO COST TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND PROVIDE A SPACE THAT IS SATISFACTORY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
AND EVERYBODY LIKES IS ENJOYABLE FOR THE MOST PEOPLE.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOTHING IS SET IN STONE, BUT I, FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMBINATION OF A NEW CITY HALL WHEN THE SENIOR CENTER, AS PART OF THEIR, IN THE LIBRARY AND THAT CIVIC IN THAT CIVIC SPACE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT MIXED USE ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND I THINK THAT SETS US IN, IN THE, AT LEAST IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REALLY MARKET BECAUSE WE'VE ESTABLISHED WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THAT SPACE TO BE.
AND THEN ALL WE CAN DO AT THAT POINT IS, YOU KNOW, MARKET ADVERTISE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT WE GET.
AND THEN THE, THE MARKET WILL TELL US WHAT'S GOING TO, WHAT'S GOING TO WORK ULTIMATELY ON THE OTHER, ON THE OTHER AVAILABLE SPACE.
MA'AM UM, I DO THINK YOU HAD SOME INTERESTING POINTS THERE.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I, THAT IS STILL STICKING WITH ME IS WHEN, UM, COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL WAS DISCUSSING THE, THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN CENTER PROJECT.
UM, WE MOVE FORWARD TO, UM, THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALL GOT HIT WITH, YOU KNOW,
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A PANDEMIC ECONOMIC TURNED UPSIDE DOWN, UM, AND THEN EVEN TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, UM, I THINK THAT CHANGES SEVERAL ASPECTS TO THAT IN MY OPINION, TO THE POINT THAT IT IS MY BELIEF THAT I THINK WE SH WE HAVE, AGAIN, A BLANK CANVAS.THIS IS THE, THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
I THINK IN MY OPINION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR STAFF AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION POLL THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AGAIN, WITH SOME OF THESE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS AND SAY, HAVE THESE CHANGED, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE HERE? BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING, UM, OUR, OUR TAX DOLLARS BEING USED, SO IS IT FEASIBLE? DO THE RESIDENTS WANT A CITY HALL DOWN THERE OR DO THEY WANT JOBS DOWN THERE? DOES THE RESONANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY WANT HOUSING DOWN THERE OR DO THEY WANT WALKABILITY? DO THEY WANT MOM AND POP SHOPS? DO THEY WANT JOBS? I, AND THEN I THINK PROVIDING THE RESIDENTS WITH FACTS AS WELL TO THE MARKET INFORMATION, UM, I THINK IS VERY VALUABLE.
LIKE I LIKE I'VE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES DO YOUR RESEARCH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE NEED UPDATED FEEDBACK, UH, FROM THE PEOPLE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE DOWN HERE.
WE HAVE THE LIBRARY COMPONENT, WE HAVE THE CR DAYTON COMPONENT THINGS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
WE HAVE THE DOGTOWN COMPONENT, THOSE THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
THE REST OF THAT, UNLESS I'M TOLD DIFFERENTLY IS A COMPLETE BLANK CANVAS AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO RE-ENGAGE WITH THE CITY ON EVERY ASPECT AVAILABLE USING EVERY, EVERY FORM OF MEDIA AVAILABLE, UH, WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
MORE OF A TOWN HALL, GET INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTS WHILE SHOWING CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS.
UM, IF WE NEED TO PACK OUT THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THIS IS, THIS IS CHANGING THE FACE OF OUR CITY.
AND IF WE GO IN AND WE PUT THE ASPECTS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TOWN CENTER PROJECT AND BRENT PIKER THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY JUST IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE RESTAURANTS NOW THAT ARE BUILDING MODELS THAT DON'T EVEN CONTAIN DINING ROOMS. UM, I MEAN, SO A LOT HAS CHANGED AND I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, LWCC, AND, AND, AND JASON AND BRIAN HAS SEEN, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS MODELS FROM COMPANIES HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CERTAIN COMPONENTS IN THERE LET'S REVISIT THE REST OF IT, BUT I, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO PULL THE RESIDENTS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, WE WAIT ON THIS, I'M TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED TO DO IT NOW.
UH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH RICHARD.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH NOW ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY IN THE CITY COUNCIL, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A LIBRARY.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE CRN DAYTON PROPERTY, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF FITCHBURG AND BRAND.
UM, WE NOW HAVE RENDERINGS A CONCEPT OF WHAT THAT RETAIL IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN BRIAN.
IF I UNDERSTOOD, UH, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT RETAIL WILL RENT OUT, CORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT SPACE IS LARGELY FILLED.
AND WE CONTINUE TO ENTERTAIN OFFERS ON THE PORTIONS THAT ARE VACANT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THAT SPACE WILL WE'LL READ AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DOG PARK, WHAT'S IT CALLED? DOGTOWN DOGTOWN, UH, ANOTHER ASSET, UH, THE CITY COMPONENT COULD BE WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, OUR IMAGINATION ALLOWS IT TO BE IN.
AND I THINK THERE, THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY, UH, TAKING ALL OF THAT SYNERGY THAT WE HAVE AND DEVELOPING THAT IN A WALKABILITY FASHION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M ONLY ONE OPINION.
SO UNLIKE RICHARD, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND REALLY START TO BUILD THAT OUT.
UM, WE SPENT 45 MINUTES WITH THE COUNCIL EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR IDEAS.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL THESE RESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO COME IN HERE AND LET'S START WITH, BUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
I'M ABSOLUTELY 100% OR MORE WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US PULL AS MANY RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE, GIVE THEM AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT ON ANY TYPES OF DESIGNS WE PUT FORTH OR, OR JUST WHAT THEY IN GENERAL WANT TO SEE THERE FROM.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S OPPOSED
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TO ANY, HEY, THAT NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S VOICED ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS TO ME OR BEEN OPPOSED TO ANY, ANYTHING IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK ON JEFF QUESTION OR COMMENT.I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THERE ARE ASSUMED TO BE A BUNCH OF THEM HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY SMOKE OPINIONS OR IDEAS, THOUGHTS, OR CONCERNS.
SO I GUESS, UM, THE, THE TEACHER WHO'S COMING OUT, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE HERE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SPEAK, RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL, UH, AND YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE RECORDING, SO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MICROPHONES PICK YOU UP, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE HOME, UH, CAN ALSO CAN ALSO HEAR YOU.
A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF NOTES TO CONCENTRATE ON.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. ODDO AND MR. SHAW.
UM, I LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT DESIGNS PUT FORWARD.
I FEEL THAT THESE ARE A LITTLE DATED.
UH, HE IS WONDERING WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
I WAS TOO, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE ANY OTHER SHOPPING CENTER THAT I'VE DROVE BY THROUGHOUT OHIO, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, BASICALLY I DIDN'T LIKE THE NAME SOUTH POINT BECAUSE THAT REMINDS ME OF EVERYTHING IN KETTERING.
SO I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE WE ADOPTING A NAME SOUTH POINT? UM, I LIKE NAMES LIKE CANAL PARK OR POWELL ROAD, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LA PERP ON POWELL ROAD.
I THOUGHT THAT FED INTO IT PERFECTLY.
I LIKE TO SEE MORE GREEN SPACES AND MAYBE A BOTANICAL AREA TO DRAW PEOPLE NATURALLY BY FOOT TO THAT AREA.
UM, I CAN ALSO SEE SOMETHING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SMALLER VENDORS, MAYBE LIKE EASTERN MARKET, OR YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS LIKE ETSY, GET RID OF STALL OR OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FOODIE PEOPLE WANT TO COOK FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST A SMALL COUPLE OF SIX SEATER STALLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE NOT SO MUCH AS THE BIG STOREFRONT SHOPPING CENTER, BUT SOMETHING OFF TO THE SIDE THAT YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEN I HOPE I'M EXPRESSING THAT.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE GREEN AND LESS PARKING SPACES AND MORE WALKABILITY.
I SEE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM PLANT ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM PLANNING COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, I WAS ON PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO BEING ON COUNCIL.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF CONCEPT DRAWING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE.
AND YOU SAW THREE OF THEM TONIGHT, UM, AVERSION FROM THE VERY FIRST AND THEN ANOTHER VERSION.
AND THIS VERSION YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS WHAT, UM, SCOTT
UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GOT THE CR DATE AND PROPERTY NAILED DOWN TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND WE KNOW THE LIBRARY IS GOING IN.
WE KNOW DOGTOWN IS GOING IN THE REST OF IT IS A BLANK SLATE.
I WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE ME SAYING, HEY, SCOTT, IS THAT A KIDNEY SHAPED POOL BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE THERE? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A CLUBHOUSE IN THAT POSITION.
AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THAT'S EVERYTHING BACK THERE AS A CONCEPT, AND IT'LL BE DEVELOPMENTAL DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN, NOT, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT AT THIS AND SAID, THIS IS THE BLUEPRINT FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT OUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING LIKE THIS, IT REALLY IS JUST A, A ROUGH IDEA OF WHERE STUFF MIGHT GO.
BUT AS WE DEVELOP INTO THIS FURTHER, THAT'S WHERE THE DETAILS START COMING IN.
THE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE THERE.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENCES A DEVELOPER MIGHT COME IN AND SUGGEST TO US? THANKS, MAN.
RICHARD MERRICK, JUST A PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
AND COUNCILMAN WEBB, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THOSE GOOD POINTS.
I ALSO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS, AS THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE WONDERING AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, IN THIS SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, MAYOR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WE WERE AT THE HOPES THAT WHEN WE PURCHASED MARION MEADOWS, THAT EYESORE, THAT WAS IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS, THAT WE WANTED TO DO OUR BEST ECONOMICALLY TO TRY TO BREAK EVEN IN, COME ABOVE WHAT WE SPEND THEM.
AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK ON THAT? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IN THE STATE IS AT A MINIMUM, BE AT A ZERO COST TO THE TAXPAYER AND THE JARED'S REVENUE.
BUT AT LEAST WE CAN GET OUR MONEY BACK.
AND, AND I, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR POINT THAT I WANTED
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TO BRING UP, BUT TO THE SECOND POINT THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A HOUSING PIECE DOESN'T WORK HERE AND WITH RESIDENTS UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE'S NO HOUSING HERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET BACK.WHAT WE PUT INTO IT IS THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT, IF WE DO A LOT OF VENDOR STALLS, IF WE DO BUSINESS INCUBATORS, WHICH MAY NOT BRING THE DIRECT COST OF THE BENEFIT IMMEDIATELY, BUT OVER THE COURSE OF 30 YEARS, BECAUSE OF LIFESTYLE IMPROVEMENTS OF OUR RESIDENTS, BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT, NETWORKING, AND THE WALKABILITY AND WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS, WE MAY NOT GET OUT OF A MONETARILY WHAT WE PUT INTO IT, BUT OVERALL, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE FACE OF THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANT TO HEAR FROM RICK.
I THINK IN THE END, I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT.
IF THEY, UM, IT WAS TAXPAYER MONEY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DETERMINED AND USED TO, UH, TO PURCHASE THIS, TO TRY TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA OF TOWN.
AND IF WE HAVE, UH, AN OVERWHELMING VOICE OF THE CITIZENS THAT SAY, NO, WE WOULD PREFER THIS.
AND WE'RE OKAY IF THIS COSTS MONEY, THEN OF COURSE IT WAS THEIR MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.
CAUSE I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, BRING THOSE TWO POINTS OUT OF WHAT WE, WHAT OUR GOAL WAS.
BUT AGAIN, WHERE I THINK THE ECONOMIC AND THE PANDEMIC HAS PUT US AT, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING ALL OF THE FEEDBACK.
ALL THE VIEWPOINTS ARE THERE AND THAT EVERYBODY OUT HERE HAS THE RESEARCH AT THEIR AVAILABILITY TO GIVE THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, AS THIS COUNCIL CAN MAKE A, A VERY INTELLIGENT DECISION ON WHAT WE DO.
CAUSE IN THE END, WE, WE CAN MAKE IT WHATEVER WE WANT.
IF WE WANTED TO TAKE CONTROL OVER ALL OF THAT AND, AND DESIGN IT, HIRE OUR OWN DESIGNERS, HIRE LANDSCAPERS, ALL THAT STUFF.
WE COULD, WE COULD TURN THAT INTO ONE HECK OF A PLACE, BUT THAT, BUT THEN OUR, OUR TAXPAYER IS GOING TO BE OKAY WITH CORRECT WITH NOT WITH NOT GETTING RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD GET ME.
AND ONE OTHER THING, SCOTT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID ONCE HERE, AND I'VE HEARD IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND SOME SIDE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER RESIDENTS, ARE WE ABLE TO, JUST TO GET A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF THE FACTS THAT WE KNOW HERE THAT SHOWED JUST THE LIBRARY, JUST TO SEE CR DAYTON, JUST A DOGTOWN AND PUT GREEN SPACE IN THE REST OF THAT.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT, SO WE CAN REALLY SHOW THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, HOW TRULY OPENED UP A CANVAS THAT IS AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT SHORT ANSWER.
UM, AND BACK WHEN WE DID THE BRAND PIKE STUDY, WE HAD THE DESIGN CHARRETTES AND PEOPLE HAD STICKERS AND PUTTING AROUND WHAT, WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, SO EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST HAD RIGHT NOW, THROWING OUT THOSE IDEAS, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THINK WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, INTEREST IN CERTAIN THINGS.
UH, OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND WE'LL PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER, HAVE THAT BLANK SLATE, SEE HOW THINGS COULD FIT AND, UM, TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE GOOD EXAMPLE.
AT OUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAD A YOUNG LADY COME TO THE PODIUM THAT SAID, ASKED ABOUT A CERTAIN COMPONENT OF IT, ABOUT THE WALKABILITY.
HOW, BECAUSE YOU SEE ALL THESE GOING THROUGH, WE ADDED ON THE SPOT SIDEWALKS TO GET BACK THERE.
SO THE INPUT FROM RESIDENTS IS BIG KEY AND MOVING FORWARD.
I WOULD JUST ASK REAL QUICK JUST FOR, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW.
SO EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S ON THIS DICE RIGHT NOW WHO BELIEVES THAT THAT IS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? NO.
SO, SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF US UP HERE THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO NOBODY, AGAIN, NOBODY UP HERE THINKS THAT NOBODY BELIEVES THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING.
WELL, I GUESS MY FEEDBACK ON THAT IS MIRRORS.
WHEN WE PUT THESE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS OUT TO THE MAYOR AND THE MEDIA, THE IMPRESSION THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE GIVING THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY IS THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL HAS DECIDED.
THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL'S GOING WITH.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE KIND OF NEED TO PUMP THE BRAKES AND REVERSE A LITTLE BIT AND TELL THE RESIDENTS, NO, THIS IS A CLEAN SLATE.
AND I THINK THAT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING WOULDN'T DO THAT.
ASKING FOR THAT FEEDBACK DOES JUST THAT, UM, I THINK MANY OF US FOLKS ON PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THIS OUT TO TAXPAYERS AND THEY SEE IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNEL SEVEN, CHANNEL TWO, WHOEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IT'S THE MINDSET THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING CERTAINLY APOLOGIZED PEOPLE THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING BECAUSE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THIS IS A, JUST A RENDERING OR CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF WHAT POSSIBILITIES ARE, BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMETHING, TO SHOW PEOPLE AND TO SHOW DEVELOPERS AND GENERATE INTEREST,
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YOU ALWAYS GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS GOTTA BE A STARTING POINT.AND, UM, AND THAT'S ALL THIS WAS EVER MEANT TO BE.
SO IF, IF ANYBODY HAS BEEN CONFUSED AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, A CONCEPTUAL PIECE ONLY, ONLY TO BE A CONCEPTUAL PIECE.
IN FACT, WHEN THIS RENDERING WAS DYING, THE WHOLE REASON IT WAS DONE WAS TO KIND OF SHOW WE, WE KNEW WE WERE WORKING WITH DOGTOWN.
WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THE LIBRARY.
SO IT WAS REALLY KIND OF MEANT TO SHOW WHERE THE LIBRARY WAS GOING TO GO IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OVERALL PIECE.
AND IT WAS MEANT TO SHOW WHERE, UM, THE POSSIBLE, WHERE DOGTOWN COULD GO.
AND THEN WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE, UM, THE CRD PIECE RUNNING ALONG BRAND ON CHAMBERSBURG.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS JUST, YEAH, THIS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A CONCEPT.
SO, SO I HOPE THAT NOBODY IS HEARING THAT OR IS STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
LIKE I SAID, THERE ISN'T ANYBODY UP HERE THAT BELIEVES THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE TWO YEARS NOW, THREE YEARS NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, SO I HOPE THAT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR NOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS AS GLEN.
I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF ADD TO MR. SHELL'S REQUEST.
WE COULD LEAVE HIM THE CRD PIECE, DOGTOWN THE LIBRARY, THE HOSPITAL'S PIECE.
CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAINTAINING POSSESSION OF THAT.
AND EVEN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I LIKE THE STREET LAYOUT.
I THINK THAT WORKS WITH THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE MIDDLE AND THE STREETS COMING OUT, BUT JUST KIND OF, SO THEN THAT KIND OF SHOWS HOW IT COULD BE PLOTTED NOW FOR SOME DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES OR SHOPPING OR DINING OR WHATNOT.
JUST BRIEFLY ONE MORE TALK ABOUT CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, UH, AS AN OLD GUY UP HERE, I CAN TELL YOU THE, MY EARLIEST RECOMMEND, UH, RECOLLECTION OF A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING ON PLANNING COMMISSION WAS OUR NEW MALL.
THAT'S WHERE LOWE'S IS AND, UH, MARSHALL'S AND ALL THAT, BUT IT WASN'T A LOWE'S AND A MARSHALL'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW IT, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING WAS A MALL AND MARK CAMPBELL YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE.
DIDN'T IT HAVE A MIRROR GO AROUND, UH, UH, ROLLER COASTER, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS CHANGE DRASTICALLY.
FROM THE TIME WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO WHERE WE GET INTEREST FROM DEVELOPERS, WE FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE.
WE GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND EVENTUALLY YOU WIND UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S THAT WORKS AND WORKS WELL.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST, I JUST WANT TO BRING UP CONCEPTUALS WE PUT THESE OUT TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA AND MAYBE SPUR THOSE IDEAS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE.
IT'S NOWHERE NEAR CARVED IN STONE.
WE'RE JUST STARTING THE PROCESS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, IF ANYBODY DOESN'T PUZZLES IN THIS PANDEMIC, THEY STAY HOME.
SO I DO THINK THE BORDERS AND THE ROADS AND LIKE THE, THE BERM OF HOUSES TO THE WEST FITCHBURG IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE POST OFFICE.
THE BOOSTERS UM, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE ON BRAND PIKE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT'S THE LIBRARY COULD SAM, THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO, THOSE PIECES ARE GOING TO STAY, BUT I DO THINK TRY YOUR PUZZLE PIECES AND MOVING AROUND AND PLEASE EXPLORE YOUR IDEAS AND PLEASE LET US KNOW.
UM, I HAVE MORE FAITH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME PEOPLE ON HIS DIOCESE TOO.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT THEY'VE HEARD IN THE LAST HOUR.
UM, BUT ALSO, UM, THAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED IN THE MANAGEMENT CLASSES I TOOK WAS IT, YOU LEARN MORE BY OPENING YOUR EARS AND SHUTTING YOUR MOUTH.
AND IN ONE HOUR WE HAVE HEARD ONE RESIDENT'S COMMENTS.
I WOULD ASK MY FELLOW COUNCIL PEOPLE TO PLEASE LET HER, LET HER PUBLIC SPEAK.
WE'VE HEARD VERY LITTLE FROM THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, NANCY.
YES, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO IGNORE ANYBODY.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'VE HAD REPEAT COMMENTS OR WE'VE HAD, IT'S ALL BEEN FOCUSED UP HERE.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY, WHAT THEY WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE.
I W ANITA, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU TO YOU, SIR.
UM, I WAS UNDER THE STANDING, UH, THIS WAS GOING TO BE, UM, MORE OF A CITY CENTER TYPE THING.
FIRST OFF, I AGREE WITH HER SOUTH POINT AS AN AWFUL NAME.
UM, THAT NAME HAS TO GO, BUT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I DO LIKE THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE MOVING CITY HALL DOWN THERE.
I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT OF IT BEING WALKABLE.
I HAVE AN ALMOST 87 YEAR OLD MOTHER AND TO TAKE HER OUT, SHOPPING, EATING, TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SITTING AREA, THAT STUFF WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
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AND WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE SENIOR POPULATION HERE IN OUR CITY, AS WELL AS A LARGE DISABLED POPULATION IN OUR CITY.AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT WHEN WE DO A SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER.
IF WE DO THAT THERE, WHICH I THINK IS WONDERFUL.
I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES SINCE OUR POPULATION HAS SO MUCH HERE IN HUBER THAT THAT'S OPEN TO THEM, MAYBE USING PART OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, NOT HAVING STUFF IN THIS AREA.
SO I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT CONCEPT TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT, THAT AREA WITH THAT.
I DO NOT LIKE THE HOUSING IN THE AREA.
I THINK WE'RE REALLY, REALLY GETTING A LOT OF HOUSING HERE.
AND I THINK WITH, AS THE SET, EVERYTHING CHANGING WITH COVID, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF A HALT ON ALL THE HOUSING THAT'S COMING UP.
UM, BUT YEAH, I DO WANT TO HAVE SOME BUSINESSES.
I JUST SEE IT BEING THE SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER.
UM, HAVING SOME STUFF WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES, I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF HAVING, LIKE SHE SAID, A MARKETPLACE MAYBE THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I LOOK AT OTHER CITIES NOW Y'ALL, WE'RE NOT THE SIZE OF COLUMBUS, BUT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT NORTH THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE MARKETS THERE AND PEOPLE GO THERE TO SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE KIND OF CREATIVE AND FINDING THAT THING THAT COULD BE OUR GLITCH TO BRING PEOPLE INTO HUBER THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE PUT IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT WOULD BE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO US TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO YEAH, I LIKE IT TO HAVE THE PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SURVEY DONE TO GET THEIR VOICE AND OPINION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET CREATIVE AND DO THIS RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS.
SO YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF OUTDOOR OUTDOOR DRINKING AREA FOR THAT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT OUTDOOR PATIO AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN TH I LOVE RESTAURANTS THAT YOU CAN TAKE YOUR DOG ALONG AND EVERYTHING ELSE SINCE THE DOG TOWN'S GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN CERTAINLY IN THE AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.
UM, I, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF JUST TAKING A LOT OF THAT STUFF OUT OF THERE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU PRESENT THAT PEOPLE GET A MINDSET AND THEY START TO THINK, I DON'T WANT THAT, BUT THEN THEY DON'T REALLY THINK CREATIVELY.
AND I THINK WE GOT TO THINK REALLY CREATIVELY AND BE OUT OF THE BOX A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, I, I MOVED INTO HUBEI ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND THERE'S NO POINT THAT SHE MADE IT.
AND HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A CITY CENTER WHERE THERE'S A GATHERING PLACE.
PEOPLE COME MAYBE THIS ENTERTAINMENT, BUT IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN MEET AND GREET AND WE CAN CREATE MORE OF A SENSE OF A COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT BY TAKING SOME OF THAT STUFF OUT OF THERE AND LETTING PEOPLE'S MINDS JUST KIND OF BE CREATIVE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES TOO.
I'M ALWAYS A BELIEVER THAT WE DON'T, IF SOMEBODY HAS DONE SOMETHING REALLY NEAT IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY, LET'S LEARN FROM THAT AND SEE IF THAT WILL FIT HERE BECAUSE WE CAN RACK OUR BRAINS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CREATIVE AND OUTSIDE THE BOX, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING TOO IS WE DON'T JUST WANT PEOPLE FROM OUR OWN COMMUNITY COMING.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN HUBERT AND PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND SPENDING THEIR MONEY HERE.
AND THEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A GREAT COMMUNITY THIS IS.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME S SOME PARTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT THERE'S THIS GREAT GREEN SPACE SITTING THERE.
AND LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE CAN DO.
AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED IF YOU GIVE THEM THAT BLANK SLATE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT.
BUT I THINK THAT CITY CENTER FEELING IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT I FELT WE, WE MISS HERE, THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND CREATE THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SO SCOTT, AS WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A BLANK SLATE, SO YEAH, I THINK IF WE, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKED WHAT HE SAID, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, THAT IF WE, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A BLANK SLATE, THEN IT MIGHT, I MEAN, IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE MORE CREATIVE AS, AS YOU SAID, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT YOUR BRAIN, ISN'T LIMITED BY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND IT'S HARD TO SCATTER ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, THE SOONER THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING WITH OUR KIND OF, WE'LL JUST CALL THEM OUR ANCHORS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE THERE AND THEN HOW THAT SPACE LOOKS WITHOUT EVERYTHING.
BUT THE ANCHOR, I THINK THAT THAT'LL REALLY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE LIVE SCREEN? BECAUSE I'M GETTING A LOT OF TEXTS WHEN PEOPLE WATCH IT AND SEND THE LIVESTREAM IT'S SUPPOSED
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TO BEALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE LIVE STREAM WORK SESSIONS IN COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SORRY, JEFF, UH, MIKE POKING, UM, I AM THE OWNER OF MARION.
LEYNES'S DIRECTLY PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SCHOOL PROJECT.
UM, COUPLE QUICK THINGS ON, ON, ON, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I AM COMPLETELY FOR THIS PROJECT.
I AM SO TIRED OF LOOKING ACROSS MY WAY AND SEEING WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR MANY YEARS.
SO I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
NUMBER ONE, CONCERN FOR ME, TRAFFIC.
UM, WHAT, AND WE'VE, NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC HERE.
WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ON TROY.
I LIVED THERE DOWN THERE AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY.
SO COMING FROM MY PLACE OF WORK TOO, MY HOME, I DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, I'M WORRIED NOW I ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF MY PLACE OF BUSINESS.
NOW, ON THE WAY THINGS WERE SAID, UM, TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHERE THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT WAS PUT IN A FEW YEARS BACK TO WHERE IT IS.
UM, AND I THINK CONCEPTUALLY THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT WAS PUT IN TOO EARLY BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS THOUGHT.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, WHAT GOOD SAM WAS GOING TO BRING AND THE LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT AT ONE POINT THAT TRAFFIC WAS GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE GOING IN AND OUT AND WHAT GOOD SAM WAS GOING TO BRING.
I ACTUALLY PROBABLY BRING IN THREE TO FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRASH, I THINK, AS WHAT THAT LIGHT DOES FOR THE PEOPLE THERE ON EACH SIDE OF IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN TELL, WHEN THAT LIGHT'S ON, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CARS THAT CAN COME, CAN STOP, BUT THAT RED LIGHT BEFORE THEY BLOCK MY ENTRANCE.
SO WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID IS, AND I'VE TRIED TO GET THIS TO HAPPEN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT LIGHT, WE NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LIGHT.
MY BUSINESS HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LIGHT OR WHATEVER.
SO I DON'T, I'M TALKING ABOUT MY BUSINESS, BUT I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC COUNT.
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ALL OF THIS.
AND I HOPE THAT IN THE PLANNING STAGES AND THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS BEFORE YOU START DEVELOPING AND KNOWING WHAT THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER BRAND OR A CHOICE BIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE.
IT'S JUST OVERGROWN SO FAST AND EVERYTHING HAS HAPPENED DOWN THERE.
AND I CERTAINLY CAN'T HAVE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WILL START TO FAIL AND HURT MY BUSINESS IMMENSELY.
AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE ARE VERY POPULAR AND WE DO VERY WELL.
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WORK HARD AT KEEPING OUR PLACE UP SO THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS A GOOD PLACE TO GO TO AND KEEPING IT UP RUNNING.
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ALL BEEN IN MY PRIVATE ROOM AND YOU KNOW, WHAT GOES ON THERE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONSIDERED ONE OF THE TOP IN THE COUNTRY, SO RIGHT HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP ON OR THAT, THAT, THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS DONE AND THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A GROUP OF BUSINESS.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE PUT TOGETHER TO HELP ON THIS PROJECT TOO.
YOU KNOW, I WAS, WHEN THIS FIRST THING STARTED AND WE GO BACK WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 2008, THEN I THINK IT WAS AGAIN, MAYBE 13, 14, THEY CAME.
BUT I THINK TWICE I WAS VISITED ABOUT THIS WHOLE CONCEPTION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME AND ASKED ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS, ASKED ME TO BE ON A, ON A, ON A BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAME AND WE HAD TWO HOUR MEETING AND THEN I WAS NEVER CALLED, NEVER TALKED TO NO LETTER, NO NOTHING AFTER THAT MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN MY YARD, AND WE CERTAINLY PUT A LOT OF TAX MONEY INTO THIS COMMUNITY THAT WHEN YOU'RE ASKED TO BE ON A COMMITTEE OR ASKED TO GO TO A MEETING AND YOU SPEAK AND YOU TALK AND YOU GIVE THEM WHAT YOU THINK OR ADVICE OR WHATEVER, AND THEN YOU NEVER GET CALLED BACK.
I THINK IN THIS PROJECT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUSINESS OWNERS AROUND IT SHOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED ALONG WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WERE PART OF THAT TOO, SO, AND W AND WE'RE LIVING IN IT EVERY DAY.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TOO, ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS.
SO THAT'S ALL, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC THING, THE TRAFFIC THING IS MY, I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO BEFORE IT WAS A DEAD ZONE, IT'S NOT A DEAD ZONE WHEN THIS HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE
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WE HAVE A LIBRARY, YOU SPOKE OF TWO ENTRANCES TO A LIBRARY, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT COULD BE BLOCKED WITH TRAFFIC AND THE WAY THE LIGHTS WORK.SO I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ON THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST THE ONE THING.
AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S A, THERE IS A LOT OF THOUGHT GIVEN INTO THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT MANY OF LIKE MANY HAVE SAID, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN KIND OF MAY CREATE A DOWNTOWN AREA FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN SPACE THAT I GUESS YOU COULD CENTER ANCHOR WITH A CIVIC CENTER OR THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHEN YOU THINK A LOT OF OTHER CITIES THAT MIGHT BE OLDER, THEY HAVE THE, THOSE UNIQUE SPACES.
LIKE I JUST DID A BOURBON TOUR FOR MY BROTHER'S BIRTHDAY DOWN IN KENTUCKY.
AND SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BARDSTOWN ALL THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY HAVE THE HISTORY, THE 18 HUNDREDS, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS AT ALL.
AND SO THIS SPACE MIGHT BE THAT TIME WHERE WE CAN CREATE THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE DON'T HAVE HISTORY, BUT WE COULD CREATE, LIKE THEY WERE SAYING THOSE UNIQUE STORES OR SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE AND CREATIVE THAT THEN BECOMES, HEY, THIS IS WHAT HUBER HEIGHTS IS FOR.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS SPACE AND CREATE SOMETHING REALLY GOOD FOR THE HEBREW HEIGHTS AREA.
SO JUST, UM, THE LIVE STREAM IS UP, IT'S WORKING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ISSUE THERE WAS BEFORE.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING ARE TUNED IN NOW, UH, AND IT WASN'T WORKING BEFORE CERTAINLY APOLOGIZE, BUT THE MEETING WILL ALSO BE UP FOR IMMEDIATE ON DEMAND.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WATCH IT CAUSE IT'S BEING RECORDED.
SO, UH, IF, UM, YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO SEE IT AT THE BEGINNING, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED, IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE AVAILABLE AND UP ON THE WEBSITE TO WATCH AND, UH, AND SEE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IF YOU MISSED, FOR WHATEVER REASON THOUGH, THE FIRST PART HERE.
I WAS WORKING THE ENTIRE TIME.
I WAS ABLE TO PULL IT UP ON THREE DIFFERENT DEVICES, SO IT'S ALWAYS ON IT ALIVE.
SO, UH, ANYONE ELSE S MINT? SO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I DID STAND UP AND PROVIDE A COUPLE OF IDEAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
SO, UM, VINCE KING, I LIVE IN WARD FOUR, UM, CLOSER TO THE, UM, 2 0 2 SIDE, BUT, UM, I DO LIKE, UM, SEVERAL OF THE CONCEPTS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE CONCEPTS, RIGHT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SEE IS MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WALKABLE MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE CURRENT HOUSING AREA HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER, THAT THEY STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THEIR HOUSES.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY LOOK IN TO THE BACKYARD IN THAT DISTRICT AS WELL.
UM, I SEE THIS SPACE AS A POTENTIAL FOR AN EVENT SPACE, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE EVENTS, UM, AND I COULD BURGER AMPHITHEATER, THOMAS CLOUD PARK.
THIS WILL BE A GREAT AREA TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CENTER AS WELL, WHERE WE CAN ALTERNATE EVENTS.
SO WE CAN HAVE MOVIE NIGHTS THERE.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, MUSIC EVENTS AND OTHER TYPE OF EVENTS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US BRING SOME ASSESSABLE, UH, SOME FOOD INTO THAT AREA, SOME MORE ACCESSIBLE FOOD AIR, UM, FOOD AND RESTAURANTS AND OTHER STUFF.
SO, UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FARMER'S MARKET, YOU KNOW, FARMER'S MARKET THE HEIGHTS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVE DOWN HERE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, CREATE SOME TYPE OF CENTER CENTERED SPACE AND THAT AREA WHERE WE CAN HOST THOSE EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S A WATER FOUNTAIN OR A BIG GREEN SPACE OR BEAUTIFUL PAVED SPACE WITH BRICK, SOMETHING LIKE WE DID LIKE, UM, SCOTT DID WITH, UM, THE BRAND PINT CORNER BRAND PIPING IN THE CHAMBERSBURG, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST MORE DECORATIVE WHERE WE CAN HAVE ALL THOSE SPINS AND WE CAN BRING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER FROM BOTH SIDES.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I'M A LITTLE TORN ABOUT THE HOUSING AREA.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SEE A TON OF HOUSES OUT THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER, UM, MAYBE CONDOMINIUMS OF SOME SORT FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.
UM, WE KEEP SAYING THAT OUR CITY IS GROWING.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE YOUNG FOLKS? UH, WE, WE'RE TRYING TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE AND WHERE CAN THEY AFFORD TO LIVE? IS THIS SOME PLACE HERE THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD, UM,
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HAVE A DEVELOPER BUILD HOMES DESIGNED FOR THEM.UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHERE I'M FROM, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, UM, AREA ALSO ACTIVATED WITH SOME LOUNGES.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING BARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M SAYING LOUNGES.
SO WHERE I CAN GO AS A 40 YEAR OLD OR A SINGLE MALE, UM, AND JUST GO AND HANG OUT WITH A COUPLE OF FRIENDS AND LISTEN TO SOME LIVE MUSIC.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE INSIDE OF A RESTAURANT OR INSIDE OF A, I'M A CALL THE LOUNGE.
CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A BAR, UM, BECAUSE THE BAR HAS A DIFFERENT FIELD FOR ME.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S JUST A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO SO GREAT MUSIC, YOU KNOW, UM, GRANDPA, WE HAVE A TON OF IT IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY MISSING IN HEBREW IS SOME LIVE MUSIC IN RESTAURANTS.
UM, SOME UNIQUE RESTAURANTS AND I THINK WHAT WANDA, I THINK WHAT SHE WAS SAYING AS WELL.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT IS PERHAPS IS THERE A WAY FOR THE CITY TO OWN PROPERTY WHERE WE CAN DO POPUPS, POP UP RESTAURANTS, POP UP RETAIL STORES, WHERE WE CAN PARTNER WITH SOME OF OUR, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FOOD TRUCKS, BUT THOSE WHO, UM, HAVE THE LITTLE SMALL, UM, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE LITTLE TENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY TAKE AROUND THE ENTIRE CITY, PERHAPS THIS IS THE WAY TO HELP THEM TEST, UM, BRICK AND MORTAR.
AND IF THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL AT THAT, THEN ALSO LOOK AT AN INNOVATIVE CENTER INNOVATION CENTER.
SO A PLACE THAT WE CAN HELP, UM, YOUNG PEOPLE OR OTHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN OWNING A BUSINESS, LEARN HOW TO DEVELOP A BUSINESS FROM, FROM, FROM, UH, SCRATCH, UH, DEVELOP THEIR PLANS AND MAYBE WORK IN THAT SPACE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, DAYTON HAS ONE, UM, IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT FOR AN INNOVATION CENTER, UM, FOR THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU CAN USE IT FOR MULTIPLE THINGS.
UM, SO, UM, SO YEAH, SO GREEN SPACE TO ME IS KEY.
YOU KNOW, I'M THE PARKS AND REC CHAIR OF GREENLAND SPACE, SO WE CAN ADD IN ANOTHER PART, LET'S DO IT.
UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY, THAT'S KEY.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD UP THIS AREA HERE, I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD HAVE TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESS AND THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL TO TRY AND BRING UP THEIR, UM, THEIR PROPERTIES AS WELL.
SO DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PINK PINK SHIRT THERE? OKAY.
AND THEN I KNOW THE LADY IN THE GREEN BEHIND, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO FRANK.
I LIVE ON ANCILLARY DRIVE MY BACKYARD BACKS UP TO THE CONCEPT WHERE THOSE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE.
AS I SIT ON MY BACK PORCH THESE DAYS, I LOOK AT HER, THE GREENFIELD TREES.
IF YOU BUILD BACK THERE, WHAT KIND OF BUFFER I'D LIKE TO KNOW? ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IN THERE? SO I'M NOT LOOKING INTO APARTMENT WINDOWS, STREET LIGHTING BECAUSE THE REASON I BOUGHT THE HOUSE WAS BECAUSE OF THE OPEN FIELD AND THE OPEN CONCEPT THERE.
SO I THINK IT COULD BE WHATEVER WE WOULD NEED IT TO BE FROM THAT CASE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF, UM, CHALLENGES TO DIFFERENT PROJECTS OVER THE, EVEN OVER, JUST OVER THE RECENT, OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO I THINK WE ARE, AGAIN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S ANYBODY UP HERE THAT IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO, UM, AFFECT YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN SUCH A NEGATIVE WAY.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE BUFFERS THERE'S ROOM THERE'S SPACE.
AND AGAIN, SINCE THAT WHOLE BACK SECTION AREA, THERE IS JUST KIND OF A BLANK CANVAS AREA.
WE CAN, WE CAN DESIGN THAT AND MAKE THAT WHAT WE NEED IT TO BE, TO SATISFY THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE A LONG ANSWER.
YES, MA'AM UM, GET YOUR HAND RAISED IN THE BACK IN THE GREEN SHIRT.
WELL, I LIVE IN WARD THREE CURRENTLY.
UM, I LOVE THAT BLANK SLATE IDEA AND MAYBE FOR CONSIDERATION CREATING A DORA SPACE OUT THERE WITH THE PANDEMIC.
I KNOW IN MY HOMETOWN, A LOT OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES WERE SEVERELY AFFECTED.
SO THEY ACTUALLY BLOCKED OFF ABOUT FOUR CITY BLOCKS AND CREATED A COMPLETE DOOR ZONE OUT THERE TO TRY TO KEEP THEM HEALTHY AND VIBRANT AND ALIVE AT THIS TIME.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHEN CORONAVIRUS IS GOING TO GO AWAY.
IF IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY, WE LOST A FEW SMALL BUSINESSES IN TOWN BECAUSE THEY JUST COULDN'T SURVIVE.
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IF THEY HAD A SPACE THERE WHERE MAYBE A RESTAURANT THAT THE BRICK AND MORTAR WASN'T WORKING BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS SHUT DOWN.IF THERE WAS A SPACE THERE THAT WAS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND THAT THEY COULD BRING THEIR STUFF DOWN THERE AND SELL WARES, SELL, YOU KNOW, FOOD ITEMS OR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT HAD TO STOP HERE.
WE HAD ARTISTS THAT COULDN'T COME TO THE ROSE CAUSE IT WAS SHUT DOWN.
MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A SMALLER THING DOWN THERE WHERE IT WAS SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO STILL GO DOWN THERE, STILL HAVE THAT AND STILL HAVE HELP SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING GOOD TO DO WITH THAT ACREAGE TOO.
UH, I LIVE IN WARD SIX AND FIRST OFF I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN AWESOME PLACE FOR A PUMP TRACK.
NOW WE'RE ALL LAUGHING OUT OF THE WAY.
SO TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE KIND OF AT A, AT A PLACE WHERE WE NEED A COUPLE OF VISION DECISIONS, UH, FIRST OFF, WHETHER WE WANT A MUNICIPAL CAMPUS CIVIC CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
CAUSE I THINK FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD, IF WE COME UP WITH THE MUNICIPAL CENTER THAT IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF GATHERING PLACE, GREEN SPACE, FOUNTAIN, PUMP, TRACK, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP A FAIR AMOUNT OF SPACE AND PROBABLY BETWEEN THAT.
AND THE LIBRARY IS GOING TO ANCHOR A LOT OF WHERE THE REST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO KIND OF COME TO GRIPS WITH THAT ONE.
AND THE OTHER ONE TO ME SEEMS TO BE, DO WE WANT HOUSING HERE IN WHAT KIND? UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, I KNOW IN THE STUDY FROM, AND I HAVEN'T READ THE STUDY, I'VE BEEN BRIEFED ON THE STUDY BY SOMEONE WHO HAS READ THE STUDY.
YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE RENTALS.
IS IT MORE OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS? SO BUILDING APARTMENTS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT CHOICE, PERHAPS IT IS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION SOON.
I THINK ON WHAT THAT CHOICE IS WITH REGARDS TO HOUSING YES OR NO, AND THEN HOUSING, WHAT TYPE AND FOR WHOM.
UM, AND I THINK IF, IF YOU NAIL DOWN THOSE PIECES, THE REST WILL PROBABLY FALL TOGETHER PRETTY QUICKLY.
CAUSE THERE WAS AN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL OR SOME RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER, AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF ROOM.
I WOULD SO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT I THINK, UH, SO THE, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO KIND OF FROM, FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING, WE'VE, WE'RE ALSO TASKED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WASTEFUL OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE MINDS OF, OF ALL OF US OR SHOULD BE ON THE MINDS OF ALL OF US.
SO WE, WE SPENT THE MONEY ON THE PROJECT OR ON THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK THAT WOULD REVITALIZE THAT AREA TOWN, BUT ALSO IN THE HOPES THAT WE WOULD GET THEM, THAT WE WOULD GET THE MONEY BACK.
SO I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ALSO LOOK NOW IN OUR FINANCIALS AND KIND OF OUR BUDGETING AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO AND GET WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND GO WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND BRIAN AND DETERMINE WHAT CAPACITY DO WE HAVE IF ANY, TO NOT GET THE MONEY BACK THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN THE PROJECT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT TOO.
THAT'S GOTTA BE A COMPONENT OF THIS.
AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW HOW, HOW BIG THAT BUBBLE CAN BE, WHAT THE CITY CAN WITHSTAND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT FINANCIALLY, WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO NOT GET BACK BECAUSE IN THE END AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I HATE TO BE, I WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT SAYS THAT, BUT THERE IS A FINANCIAL COMPONENT TO THIS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST GIVING AWAY THE FARM.
AND, AND I THINK, UH, BEING ABLE TO FIND THE FINANCIAL MODEL THAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT THE CITY CAN WITHSTAND IN TERMS OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT.
CAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE CAN MAKE THIS A GREAT LIVABLE, LIVABLE, WALKABLE SPACE, A GATHERING SPACE.
AND, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT CAN BE A FANTASTIC SPACE, BUT THEN THE, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WE GOT TO FIND OUT, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT CAN THE CITY HANDLE IN TERMS OF NOT GETTING PART OF THAT INVESTMENT BACK? AND, AND THAT'S JUST, I THINK IT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR, AND OUR BUDGETING AS WE'RE MOVING, GETTING READY TO MOVE INTO OUR BUDGETING
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PROCESS FOR NEXT YEAR.AND, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE ARE STILL LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY NEEDS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, MONEY THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING, THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO, THAT WE'VE PROMISED.
UH, SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I CERTAINLY AM OPEN TO IF, TO, TO MAKING THIS SPACE, WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AS LONG AS THE, THE CITY CAN, CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT.
AND THE COMMUNITY IS BEHIND AND FULLY UNDERSTANDS.
EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT SOME OF THEIR TAXPAYER MONEY IS JUST GOING TO BE INVESTED IN THIS SPACE.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
AND IF THAT'S, BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN WITHSTAND FROM A BUDGETING PROCESS AND THE FINANCIAL ASPECT.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT I'M NOT.
AS LONG AS EVERYBODY TOGETHER IS ON, IS ON BOARD WITH WHATEVER CONCEPT VISION THAT WE COME UP WITH.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO COMMENTS ON COUNCIL.
WE DON'T NEED NO MORE HOUSES BUILT AROUND HERE.
WE DON'T NEED NO, NO MORE BUSINESSES IN HERE.
WE NEEDED A COMMUNITY CIVIL CIVIC CENTER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE NOTHING IN THIS END OF TOWN, NOTHING.
NOW YOU WANT TO BUILD SOME APARTMENTS HERE.
WE'RE BUILDING ON THE OTHER END OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
NOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE DOWN THERE.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS GOING TO THEM.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SAFETY ISSUES AROUND THIS CITY.
NOBODY GOT ALONG WINDOWS TO SCHOOL.
WE JUST GOT PURCHASED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE A CIVIC CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY DON'T KNOW EITHER THEIRSELVES.
SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON AROUND HERE IS THE AREA.
WE'VE GOT A NICE LOW AREA HERE.
YOU CAN MAKE A NICE COMMUNITY CENTER, FIRE DEPARTMENT, CITY WHERE EVERYBODY WE GOT SAID IN BUSINESS, YOU CAN GO DO IT.
YOU HAVE ENOUGH, COULD HAVE A NICE LITTLE PARK.
YOU GOT THE BEST CHANCE OF DOOR AUTOMATED WITH THE UP NORTH.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S UGLY.
YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE NORTH CROSS INTERSTATE.
LET'S NOT HAVE NOTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SO, I MEAN, LET'S THINK ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BUILDING, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL THE HOUSES DOWN ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD ON BOTH SIDES.
THAT'S ALL THAT'D BE BUILT UP DOWN THERE.
DO WE NEED ANY MORE HERE? KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WELL, LET'S THINK ABOUT SAFETY FIRST IN THIS CITY, BEFORE WE GET THOSE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AROUND HERE NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH OUR WATER STANDING WATER AROUND HERE WHILE THE WORK'S BEING DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU LET GO THE GOLDMINE OF GET AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, AND GO TO SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET MAD AWAY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT, I'M STILL PISSED ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WE NEVER OWNED, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DID.
THAT WAS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN LONDON.
YOU STILL, YOU STILL, YOU STILL KNEW THAT FOR SALE.
THEY SAY YOU DIDN'T BUY IT ANYWAY.
SO REAL QUICK, I ONLY, UM, ON THE IDEA OF HOUSING.
SO I THINK THE REASON THAT HOUSING IS ON THERE IS BECAUSE I THINK WHEN, WHEN THE ARCHITECTS GOT THIS AND STARTED KIND OF PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER, HOUSING IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS KIND OF AN IMMEDIATE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER THAT WHO WOULD BUILD HOUSING WOULD TAKE DOWN A BIG CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY TAXES, THE, UM, THE TAXES THAT COME BACK INTO THE CITY.
SO LIKE THE REASON THAT THE, HOW THERE THERE'S HOUSING ON THE COMPONENT OF BEGINNING, BECAUSE AN ARCHITECT IS FULLY AWARE OF THAT TOO.
AN ARCHITECT KNOWS WHAT THE BENEFITS OF HOUSING IS AND HOW IT GENERATES REVENUE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE ARCHITECT PUT HOUSING ON, BECAUSE THAT IS A SECTION THAT WILL HELP GENERATE THE REVENUE THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO HELP MAKE THIS WHOLE PROJECT COST NEUTRAL.
BUT IF, AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT BEING COST NEUTRAL AND THE FINANCES OF THE CITY CAN WITHSTAND THAT, WE CAN GET A BIG ERASER AND START RACING THAT STUFF OUT OF THERE.
IF THAT'S, WHAT IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THAT THERE'S HOUSING EVEN IN THERE IS BECAUSE THAT IS IT.
HOUSING IS A REVENUE GENERATOR AND THAT'S ON THAT SMALL OF A SPACE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE MONEY BACK.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHITECT DID BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THEIR, THEIR GOAL IS ALSO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY AND AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S NOT ON THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT HAS TO STAY.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT I THINK THIS IS GOOD, OPEN DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING WHERE YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT.
CINDY, WE'LL GO BACK TO MEET HIM.
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WELL, CINDY SMITH, UM, WELL I DID READ THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM, ALL OF IT.AND I ALMOST CALLED MR. PAL KUSKI OUT BECAUSE I WAS SO EXCITED LEARNING SO MANY NEW TERMS AND STUFF.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STRUCK ME WAS ALL OF THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT THINGS THAT THEY HAD IN THERE BECAUSE MY HUSBAND AND I, AND OUR TWO DOGS ACTUALLY WALK ALONG THAT AREA AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK BECAUSE OUR DOGS LIKE TO GO TO MCDONALD'S.
SO WE'LL WALK THAT ENTIRE LENGTH.
WE'LL WALK FISHBURG, WE'LL WALK CHAMBERSBURG AND ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND I LOVE THE NEW SIDEWALK CHAMBERS STORE TOO.
HOWEVER, WALKING ALONG THAT AREA IS PRETTY DANGEROUS WHERE YOU'VE BEEN IGNORED MULTIPLE TIMES AND ALWAYS HAVE TO BE THE ONES WATCHING OUT FOR TRAFFIC RATHER THAN TRAFFIC WATCHING OUT FOR US.
SO, MR. POLKING, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, I THINK AS PART OF THIS, WE NEED TO THINK OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IF WE WANT IT TO BE WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE AS WELL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED IN THE REVITALIZATION PLAN WAS THE MAJORITY OF SYSTEMS RIDE THEIR BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK THAT IN THE STREET, BECAUSE WE PERCEIVE IT TO BE SAFER GOING UP AND DOWN ALL THE SIDEWALKS, ALL OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC CUTS ON YOUR BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK IS NOT REALLY SAFER, BUT IT'S SAFER THAN BEING IN STREET.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ADDRESS IN THAT AREA.
UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE S THE CITY CENTER AND THE SENIOR CENTER BE THERE.
I THINK IN READING THAT RECORDING AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS HAVING A CITY CENTER IDENTIFIED AREA, AND I THINK THAT WOULD DO IT WHILE THIS BUILDING'S LOVELY.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT I THINK MAKING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A VITAL AREA WOULD BE GREAT.
WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, ALL I CAN THINK OF IS COULD WE HAVE MORE GREEN PLEASE? UM, GENTLEMEN WHO BACKS UP AND WANTS THE BUFFER.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT WAS THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND I CAN'T AGREE WITH THAT EITHER.
I DO LIKE THE AREA OF SOME SENIOR HOUSING.
I DO LIKE VINCE'S IDEA OF SOME FIRST TIME BUYERS FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, CITIZENS.
LET'S GET SOME INVESTMENT IN SOME OWNER, OCCUPIED AREAS.
IF WE PUT SINGLE LEVEL HOUSING FOR SENIORS ALONG THAT BACK AREA, THAT WOULD ALSO CREATE A BUFFER FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT BACK UP TO THAT, UM, AND HOPEFULLY SAVE SOME OF THE, THE LOVELY TREES I WENT AND DROVE THE AREA LAST NIGHT, JUST TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOME OTHER HOUSES, UM, MAYBE SOME CARRIAGE STYPE CARRIAGE STYLE TYPE, WHERE THE GARAGE IS INCORPORATED IN THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE HOUSE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STREET AND A PARKING SPOT AND A HOUSE THAT WOULD LET US HAVE SOME MORE GREEN SPACE.
UM, IF WE DIDN'T DO HOUSING, UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I LIKE TO SEE THINGS IN THIRDS.
SO A THIRD SENIOR, A THIRD FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND A THIRD MARKET RATE.
SO YOU DO HAVE A BLEND OF PEOPLE WHO HOPEFULLY IS NEIGHBORS WILL SHARE THEIR WISDOM AND EXPERIENCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER, THE YOUNGER AND THE SUBTLE, THE EVENTS SPACE, UM, THAT VINCE TALKED ABOUT IN THE CITY CENTER.
WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE CITY BUILDING FACING KIND OF WHERE THE LIBRARY IS, WHEN I WENT TO THE LIBRARY MEETING, THEY WANTED TO PUT THE SPACE FOR CHILDREN OUT BY THE ROAD, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN.
THEY WERE TRYING TO ISOLATE IT.
IF THEY CHANGED AND PUT THE PARKING LOT MORE TOWARD THE ROAD AND INCORPORATED THEIR CHILDREN'S AREA TO THE ORD, THE CENTER, WE COULD ALL SHARE THAT TOGETHER.
IT COULD BE IN FRONT OF THE CITY CENTER.
WE COULD HAVE A PARK, WE COULD HAVE A CHILDREN'S AREA AS FAR AS THE FAR CENTER.
IF WE AT THE FAR SOUTH SIDE, IF WE WANTED TO PUT IN RESTAURANTS AND AN OPEN AREA, EVEN LOOKING AT THE CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT STRETCH IT'S ALREADY THERE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED MR. TEDESCHI, THE CURRENT AREA, WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO CALL ITSELF POINT CR THERE'S A SPOT AT THE END OF THAT.
THAT'S OPEN, YOU HAVE A TABLE AREA IN FRONT OF SUBWAY.
CAN WE MAXIMIZE THE TABLE AREA AT THE OPPOSITE END SO THAT IF WE GET A RESTAURANT IN THERE, WE CAN HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING.
WE'VE SEEN THE VALUE OF THAT THROUGH THE COVID TIMES AND THE FOREST THAT'S OVER BY
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THE, UM, THE MEDICAL FACILITY, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FOREST AND LAND THERE.IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THAT AND NOT JUST TAKE IT ALL DOWN.
IF EVENTUALLY THAT COULD CONNECT UP TO, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER ON CHAMBERSBURG, WHAT A GREAT AREA IT WOULD BE.
I MEAN, LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION THING, IF YOU START HERE AND KEEP GOING, IT, IT COULD BE JUST WONDERFUL.
AND THE LAST THING IS SOUTH POINT I'M WITH YA.
UM, TO ME, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST WEST IS DIVISIVE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INCLUSIVE, SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO JOIN AND COME TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING TO ALLOW FOR CITY AND POINT INPUT FOR IF WE CALLED IT THE GATHERING, IF WE CALLED IT THE MEADOWS, IF WE CALLED IT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT SOUTH POINT, I JUST CAN'T GET THERE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANITA KITCHEN AGAIN? UM, WHEN YOU GUYS GO TO DO THE STUDY OF HOW MUCH MONEY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS MIGHT LOSE AS FAR AS THE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAN WE ALSO GET A BROKEN DOWN IF WE DID DO HOUSING THERE, WHICH I DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT HOW MUCH HAS THE TAXPAYER AM I GOING TO BE PAYING EXTRA TAXES FOR? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD MORE SCHOOLS.
IF WE COULD CAB THAT BREAKDOWN TO MAKE THAT DECISION, THAT WOULD BE REALLY MAYOR SCOTT.
HOW MUCH DOES IT KEEP? CAN WE ALSO GET THE ESTIMATED COST FOR CAVE? GOOD GREEN SPACE FOR WAS THAT 15? I DON'T NEED THE ANSWER NOW.
RIGHT? I'D SAY THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS TO THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL WORK ON.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE WIDE RANGE OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE.
SO, I MEAN, WE TALKED IN CIRCLES A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO AGREE WITH, I THINK BRAD HAD SAID WE NEED SOMEBODY, WHO'S GOT TO LAY OUT A VISION OF WHERE ARE WE HEADED? BECAUSE IF WE JUST THROW A BLANK, SLATE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO A LOT OF POLLS, BUT EVENTUALLY SOMETHING'S GOT TO GET DONE.
AND I'VE TOLD THEM SEVERAL OF YOU IN MY CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ABOUT POLLS IS YOUR POLLS WERE ANSWERED ON ELECTION DAY WHEN YOU GOT VOTED IN.
RIGHT? SO YOU TO ME ARE UP THERE TO KIND OF STREAMLINE THIS AND BE A VOICE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT VOTED FOR YOU.
YES, IT IS GOOD TO GET FEEDBACK, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO STREAMLINE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT FEEDBACK IT IS.
AND I AGREE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CIVIC CENTER OR NOT HOUSING OR NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GUIDE THAT POLL INSTEAD OF JUST BLANK POLL.
OTHERWISE NOBODY'S EVER GOING TO AGREE IS MY CONCERN THERE.
WE SEE PLENTY OF HOUSING COMING IN.
EVERYBODY SAYS WE DON'T NEED MORE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, IT MAKES ME KIND OF THINK OF THE OLD YOGI BERRA, YOU KNOW, HEY, NOBODY EVER GOES THERE ANYMORE.
THEY'RE ALWAYS TOO BUSY, RIGHT? HOUSING KEEPS COMING IN AND KEEPS GETTING FILLED.
SO WHILE I'M GOING TO SAY, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE A TON OF IT.
I KNOW THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR IT OUT THERE.
I DO AGREE THE SENIOR HOUSING RANCH LEVELS WOULD BE A NICE VIABLE FIT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIRECTION OF OUR DEMOGRAPHICS, AS FAR AS BABY BOOMER, GENERATION AGING PLACE, PEOPLE WANNA BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE POLLS, I DO BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE TO, IN MY PLANNING INTERVIEW, I TOLD YOU, WE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO PULL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE AS WELL, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE THE DATA THAT THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO.
YOU GUYS HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION AND DATA THAT WE DON'T ALL HAVE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WHOLE SCAPE OF THE PUCK IS GOING, YOU KNOW, SO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AS YOU'RE TAKING THOSE POLLS TO AS MY THOUGHT.
SO, UH, BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I THINK THE DECISIONS GUYS WE MADE AT A CERTAIN POINT OF DO WE BREAK EVEN OR NOT, BUT IF WE DO BUILD CIVIC BUILDINGS, YOU CAN JUSTIFY NOT BREAKING, EVEN BECAUSE THE CITY'S USING THE SPACE INSTEAD OF IT BEING SOMEBODY ELSE USING THE SPACE.
SO I AGREE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT IS THE, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, YES OR NO TO ONE PIECE YES OR NO, TO THE COMMERCIAL PIECE.
YES OR NO, TO A RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
YES OR NO, TO THE CIVICS CIVIC PIECE, JUST SO WE KNOW THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
AND THEN HOW THAT IMPACTS THE, THE, THE OVERALL FINANCIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT I, THAT I DISAGREE WITH.
I THINK, UH, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO EVERY IDEA THAT WE'VE HEARD.
AND THEN EVERYBODY UP HERE IS OPEN TO EVERY IDEA THAT WE'VE HEARD.
AND, AND I THINK IN THE END, WE WANT IT TO MAKE SENSE.
AND THEN NOW THE PIECE IS, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND
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IT? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH KIND OF WHAT THE END RESULT IS? IF IT DOESN'T PRODUCE A FINANCIAL BREAK EVEN, OR A FINANCIAL GAIN, IF IT BECOMES A SPACE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND IS OKAY WITH.AND AT THAT CERTAINLY IS THE MAJORITY SENTIMENT THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE AGAIN, I THINK WE, YOU, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF, OF THE OVERALL PROJECT IS, AND THE, AND THE, THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT ALREADY.
AND, UM, AND TO KIND OF SEE HOW WE GO FROM THERE.
BUT I AGREE, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME IN SOME FORM OR FASHION OR, OR OTHER, UM, SINCE THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND I DO THINK IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT IT, WE OWN IT.
IT'S TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE COMMENTS ON HOUSING.
I ALSO AGREE THAT I DON'T THINK WE NEED A WHOLE LOT OF THIS HOUSING.
UM, WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT, UH, HOUSING WAS MENTIONED, BUT IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC AND TYPE.
IT WAS SOME SENIOR HOUSING UNITS.
IT WAS ALSO A VERY SPECIFIC TO, UM, ONE THING THAT WE DON'T SEE HERE, WHICH WE CREATED THE BRAND PIKE OVERLAY FOR ONE SPECIFIC PURPOSE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT HOUSING HERE AND RETAIL HERE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO BROKE OUT THAT WAY.
WE WERE DISCUSSING THE ABILITY TO USE ONE BUILDING FOR MULTIPLE USES, HAVING SOME, SOME STREET SHOPPING AND ON THE LOWER LEVELS MAY BE OFFICE IN THE MIDDLE AND MAYBE SOME, UH, MILLENNIAL APARTMENT SPACE UP TOP.
UM, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I REALLY WANT TO LOOK TO UNDERGRAD.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THINGS DIVIDED.
HERE'S THIS HERE'S, THIS HERE'S THIS, I THINK THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.
I LIKE A LOT OF THESE THOUGHTS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE BOX COMMENTS I'M ABSOLUTELY DOWN WITH.
WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE BOX ON THIS.
UM, UH, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SPEAK TO WAS, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE IN MY OPINION.
UM, I, I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING PURELY AT FINANCE AND DOLLARS, UH, I THINK WE'RE REALLY GONNA MISS THE BOAT BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE A PLACE THAT WE COULD ALL RECREATE IN HANGOUT.
UM, SPEND SOME TIME IN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND ENJOY OURSELVES.
I RETURN ON INVESTMENT AGAIN, I THINK CAN BE MEASURED DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE LAY OUT MONEY ON THINGS LIKE VACATIONS AND WEDDINGS.
THERE'S NO DOLLAR RETURN ON INVESTMENT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RETURN ON THOSE INVESTMENTS.
UM, AND WE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS CAN'T BE A TIT FOR TAT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR SITUATION.
WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE A SPACE, AN AREA OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE CAN BE PROUD OF AND COME DOWN AND CO-MINGLE AND GATHER AND ENJOY THEMSELVES FOR A DAY.
SO I WANT PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
ME PERSONALLY, COMING INTO THIS, WE WERE ALL KIND OF ASKED THE QUESTION AMONGST OURSELVES.
IF DO WE HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THIS? THIS IS A BIG BITE.
IF, IF, IF WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION AND WHAT WE WOULD DO, UM, SPEAKING MS. SMITH TO SOME COMMENTS YOU MADE THE TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, ISLANDS, DIFFERENT SETUPS BIKE.
WE COULD DO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A DOLLAR DOLLAR RETURN ON THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT REALLY THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN THE AQUATIC CENTER.
IT DOESN'T GIVE US A DOLLAR DOLLAR FOR A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR RETURN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE UPDATE OUR UTILITIES, SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE, NOT LOOKING TO MAKE DOLLARS BACK.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, AGAIN, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO SAID GET OUT OF THE BOX, THINK OF SOME NEW THINGS FROM DIFFERENT THINGS.
SOME THINGS I HEARD TODAY, I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE.
I REALLY LIKE, UM, THOSE WOULD BE GREAT.
I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE GET A BIT OF A BLANK SLATE SO THAT WE CAN START DISCUSSING MAYBE WHAT WE WANT TO PUT IN THAT SLATE AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, FROM EVERYTHING WE HEARD TONIGHT, UM, IN, IN ADDITION TO, UM, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE, SO, UM, IN THE INITIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, HEY, W WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS HERE, THAT THERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR INPUT AT WHAT, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE INSIDE, UH, WHAT MR. POKEMON BROUGHT UP BIGS.
THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THE ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING BUSINESSES, UH, BECAUSE EXACTLY AS YOU MENTIONED, HOW YOUR BUSINESS REACTS TO BRAND PIKE IS A KEY POINT TO THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
WE ALSO HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES, UH, I'LL MENTION A SINGLE AMOUNT DAIRY QUEEN.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BUSY EVERY NIGHT.
THEY BACK OUT ONTO BRAND PIKE.
THAT'S THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS TO KEEP THE SAFETY THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES ABOUT SAFETY.
UM, HOW YOU WALK DOWN, HOW YOU DRIVE DOWN BRAND PIKE, UM, IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, HOW EACH OF THOSE CURB CUTS ARE, CAN WE REDUCE SOME COMBINED, SOME, UH, UTILIZE
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THINGS FOR THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION POINT ABOUT IF YOU'RE GOING FROM A STREET THAT'S ASPHALT ONTO AN ASPHALT DRIVE, THE DRIVER DOESN'T NECESSARILY NOTICE A DIFFERENCE.IF SOMEBODY'S WALKING DOWN THAT STREET, THEY, THEY NOTICE THAT THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE THERE.
WHEREAS IF IT'S A CONCRETE DIFFERENCE, THEY SLOW DOWN MORE IT'S THOSE STUDIES ARE OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE PUT THOSE INTO DESIGN.
AND THEN THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE BUFFER ABOUT HOW THIS AFFECTS THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE.
SO HOW IT AFFECTS THE BUSINESSES, THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND ANYTHING WE PUT IN THERE.
THAT'LL DEFINITELY BE PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT.
UM, MY LAST COMMENT OF THE EVENING, UM, SCOTT, I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. PAUL KEON WAS REACHED OUT TO, UM, AND NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BACK.
MY, I GUESS MY ULTIMATE CONCERN IS HOW MANY OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT HAPPENED TO, DID WE GET FULL FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING FROM THE POST OFFICE, A NEIGHBOR, DID ANYBODY REACH OUT TO THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION? DO WE HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM, UH, AND MULTITUDE OF OTHER BUSINESSES? I MEAN, I WOULD BEG TO DOUBT THAT MIKE'S THE ONLY BUSINESS OWNER ON BRENT PIKE THAT DIDN'T GET A FEEDBACK OR A REACH OUT TO, UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO ALL OF US UP HERE.
UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS A HUGE COMPONENT TO, THAT WAS BUSINESS AND, AND, AND EXISTING FEEDBACK ALONG THERE.
UM, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, TO BRENT PIKE TO THAT AREA, AND WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT AREA, OR WE LEFT THEM HIGH AND DRY SHAME ON US, AND WE SHOULD GO BACK AND FIX THAT IMMEDIATELY.
WERE THOSE PART OF THE CITY STUFF, OR WAS THAT PART OF THE ACTUAL BRAND, LIKE THE COMMISSION AS PART OF THE BRAND PIKE STUDY? THE CONSULTANTS DID REACH OUT TO QUITE A FEW BUSINESSES.
SOME THEY HEARD BACK FROM SOME, THEY DIDN'T, I'LL GO BACK THROUGH THE FILES TO SEE, BUT MOVING FORWARD.
YES, WE WANT ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT WANTS TO HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL BUSINESS OF THE CITY, NOT JUST THIS AREA, BUT WITH THIS AREA IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN.
ANYTHING? UM, YES, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY MENTION IT, BUT, UH, I LIKED THE CONCEPT OF, UM, HAVING A, UH, ON A HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT ABOVE BUSINESSES.
AND IF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, UH, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN DOWN TO PIGEON FORGE TENNESSEE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SHOPPING AREA CALLED THE ISLAND AND IT'S GOT LOADS OF PERSONALITY.
IT JUST KIND OF WEAVES THROUGH AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ARE DIFFERENT STORES.
AND THEN THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT APARTMENTS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY PART OF THE MARGARITAVILLE HOTEL.
THEY'RE THERE THEIR ROOMS, BUT IT COULD BE, THEY COULD BE USED, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR APARTMENTS, UM, WHICH WOULD BE BRING PEOPLE LIVING DOWN THERE.
THEY COULD PARK BEHIND THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, IT WOULD JUST LEND SOME REAL PERSONALITY TO THE AREA AND SOME HOUSING.
UM, AGAIN, FRANK WILEY, UM, RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO SPEAK AS THE EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBER FOR THE HEBREW HEIGHTS ATHLETIC FOUNDATION.
ONE THING WE DEFINITELY WOULD ENJOY A CONVERSATION ON IS THE ROAD THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD OFF OF FISHBURG IS A ROAD THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN AND MAINTAIN.
UM, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE PLANS ARE, AND I'M SURE SCOTT WILL REACH OUT TO THE REST OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD ABOUT THAT, BUT TO MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THAT FITCHBURG ACCESS ROAD.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, WE'RE HAVING A HECK OF A TIME KEEPING UP WITH POTHOLES ON THERE.
CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PUBLIC WORKS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE GREAT STUFF.
SO WE BRING OUT BAGS AND PATCH AND DO AS BEST WE CAN.
SO IF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE INCREASING THAT WAY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ON YOUR AGENDA TO THINK ABOUT, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE HAD SOME PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PREVIOUS, UH, BOARD MEMBERS AND, UH, THAT, THAT ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS WILL DEFINITELY HAPPEN.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, SO IT'S, UM, IT'S ABOUT 10 AND EIGHT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING.
UH, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR SPENDING A COUPLE OF HOURS WITH US TONIGHT, MAKING SURE THAT YOUR, YOUR VOICE IS HEARD, YOUR INPUT'S HEARD THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT I HEARD TONIGHT THAT, UM, THAT MAKES ME CRINGE TO THINK, OH MY GOSH, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS,
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BUT THE FINANCIALS CAN'T BE THE END ALL BE ALL.AND YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN HIPAA RIGHTS AS WELL.
I WORK IN HUBER HEIGHTS, SO I I'M, I'M A TAXPAYER IN THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT TAXPAYER LIABILITY IS, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A TAXPAYER AND IT'S MY MONEY TOO.
SO, UM, SO AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT IT, BUT IT CAN'T BE THE END ALL BE ALL, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF SPACE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS I, AS I LOOK, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT AREN'T HERE TO SEE EVENING, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I KIND OF JUST LOOK UP AND DOWN THE DICE HERE, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WHO IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY SAID THIS EVENING.
AND EVEN LOOKING AT CREATING A SPACE THAT MIGHT NOT GENERATE THE RETURN, UH, FROM A, FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY OPEN TO HEARING AND LOOKING AT AND STUDYING ANY OPTION THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ELSE THEN, UH, UH, OR, OR COUNCIL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND WE'LL CLOSE THIS MEETING THIS EVENING AND I WOULD EXPECT, THIS IS PROBABLY JUST THE FIRST OF MANY OTHER MEETINGS REGARDING BRENT PIKE AND, AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING THERE TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA.
AND JUST ONE OF, MANY OF THE FEATURES.
SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR COMING.