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          UH, 
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THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL 
          [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
WORK SESSION, JANUARY 5TH, 2021. 
          HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE. 
          THIS IS A REMOTE MEETING AND AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING STARTED HERE JUST AT 603. 
          UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER AND MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          MR. SHAW HERE, MS. BAKER HERE, MR. CAMPBELL, MRS. BERG, MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LIONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE, MR. WEBB HERE AND MAYOR BARR HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, 
          [2. Approval of Minutes]
WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 8TH, 2020 MEETING. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONLY SET OF MINUTES THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED. 
          UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED. 
          SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CHANGES, UH, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HEARING NONE, UH, THE DECEMBER 8TH, 2020 MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          NEXT STEP WAS I HAVE NUMBER THREE, WHICH 
          [  City Manager Report]
IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. 
          AND WE'LL GET, UH, WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN WITH ITEM THREE, A THREE MINUTE REPORT, MR. KILMER. 
          SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          UM, WELCOME BACK, HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL THAT. 
          AND, UH, TONIGHT JUST GOT A FEW THINGS, UM, ON THE, ON THE UPDATE, SEVERAL THINGS REGARDING UPDATE ON THINGS ARE IN THE, IN THE AGENDA, OF COURSE. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT, FIRST OF ALL, THE, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT JUST WANTED TO, UH, BRING AN UPDATE TO THAT. 
          WE'VE HAD OUR PRE-BID MEETING, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN OUT TO BID, UH, SCHEDULED TO, UH, TO HAVE OUR BID OPENINGS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE, UH, IN TWO WEEKS ON FRIDAY, UH, THE PRE MEETING CAME UP WITH A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          WE WILL ISSUE AN ADDENDUM TO THAT, UH, REGARDING SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO IT WAS GOOD TO SEE SOME INTEREST IN THAT, UH, REGARDING SOME CONTRACTORS AND SUPPLIERS, SO ANXIOUS TO GET THAT PROJECT. 
          I WRAPPED UP BRINGING THOSE BIDS BACK TO, UH, TO GET THAT FINALIZED AND APPROVED AND, AND CONTINUE TO BE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, THE NEXT THING REAL QUICK THAT I WANTED TO UPDATE ON IS, UH, WE HAVE A SURVEY, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RENEWAL OF OUR TRASH, UM, PROGRAM, A SINGLE HAULER PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WE DISCUSSED HAVING A SURVEY PUT TOGETHER. 
          THE SURVEY, UH, IS, UH, IS UNDERWAY, UH, TOMORROW THE NEXT PHASE WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WHERE WE WILL ANNOUNCE IT AND CREATE A LINK FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND THROUGH AN ONLINE TYPE OF SURVEY. 
          SO WE WILL GATHER THAT FOR, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN BEGIN TO COMPILE SOME OF THE DATA AND, UH, AND GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THAT. 
          SO THAT AS WE MOVE ON INTO THE, UH, UH, THE, THE TIMEFRAME OF THE RENEWAL OF THAT, UH, THAT WE WILL, UH, WE HAVE THAT DATA TO RESPOND TO. 
          WE ALSO ADDED SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, SOME, SOME GENERAL THINGS, UH, REGARDING THE CITY, UH, SAFETY SATISFACTION, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, WHEN WE REACH OUT FOR INPUT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS, IT'S, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET AS MUCH INPUT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT CERTAINLY NOT CREATING FATIGUE OR OVERWHELMING THEM WITH A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF QUESTIONS. 
          UH, BUT JUST GENERALLY SPECIFIC TO, UH, UH, THE OVERALL SENSE OF, UM, UH, OF, UH, SATISFACTION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO HEARING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE RESULTS AND THE INPUT THAT'S PROVIDED. 
          UH, THE NEXT THING IS, IS, UH, AS WE RECALL, WE, UH, HAVE AN ONGOING, UH, PROCESS FOR THE SELECTION OF A, OF A FIRE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH, AS WE INDICATED EARLIER, AS AN ASSET, AS RETIREMENT BEGINNING PART OF THIS YEAR HERE, UPCOMING, UH, WE HAD 11 EXTERNAL APPLICANTS SUBMIT THEIR, UH, THEIR INTEREST, UH, OF THAT, THOSE APPLICANTS, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT VARIOUS PARTS OF THE, OF THE COUNTRY, UH, THREE WERE FROM OHIO, ONE FROM NORTH CAROLINA, A COUPLE FROM TEXAS, A FEW FROM FLORIDA, ILLINOIS, AND ONE FROM, UH, FROM MINNESOTA. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THE OUTREACH EFFORTS FOR THOSE EXTERNAL APPLICANTS, UH, REACHED, UM, MANY FACETS OF THE, UH, THE COUNTRY AND INTEREST. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL APPLICANTS TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THROUGH AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, AND, UH, AND AS WELL AS OUR OWN INTERNAL APPLICANT, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS, UH, FOR THAT, UH, THE LAST THING IS, UH, REGARDING AN UPDATE ON, UM, KIND OF THE, UH, THE, THE TED PROJECT TOO, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY THE LIBRARY, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE, THAT WAS ANNOUNCED, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT, AND THE UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WE WILL HAVE LEGISLATION TO APPROVE THE ACTUAL PURCHASE AGREEMENT. 
          SO AS YOU RECALL, IN TED PROJECT TWO, WE HAVE A PROCESS AND ALLOWANCES WITHIN, UH, TO PROVIDE THE ASSEMBLAGE AND A SALE AND EXECUTION OF SALE OF, OF THAT LAND. 
          UH, NOW THAT THAT CONTRACT HAS BEEN, UH, UH, FORMALLY EXECUTED AND GUARANTEED BY THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, AND JUST 
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TO RECAP THAT THEY, UM, ARE CHOOSING TO PLACE THE FUTURE NEW HUBER HEIGHTS BRANCH. 
          UH, SO IF YOU HAVE AGAINST SIZE AND IN ARCHITECTURE, UH, TO, UH, BEGIN THE REVITALIZATION OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA AS A GREAT ANCHOR AND A GREAT AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY HAD ASSEMBLED, UM, UH, SEVERAL PARCELS OF LAND, AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO HAVE THE LIBRARY BE THE FIRST TO BEGIN AND, UH, CRACK THE SEAL ON THE REDEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THE LAND IN SUMMARY IS A TOTAL OF ABOUT FOUR ACRES AT $250,000 PER ACRE FOR A TOTAL PRICE OF $1 MILLION OF INVESTMENT BACK INTO THAT PROJECT TO ALLOW FOR, UH, FOR, FOR FURTHER INSIGHT AND RECOUPING SOME OF THE, UH, SEEING THE INVESTMENT MADE SO VERY EXCITING TIMES. 
          UH, I COULDN'T HAVE A GREATER PARTNER THAN THE LIBRARY TO BEGIN OUR REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS, AS WE FOCUS ON THE CORE OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, FALLS RIGHT IN LINE WITH, UH, MANY ELEMENTS AND ASPECTS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAD ASKED FOR WHAT THE LIBRARY WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THE VAST DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOOD STUFF. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF UPDATES REGARDING SOME WATER THINGS AND, AND, UH, AND, AND OTHER ITEMS, UH, THAT WERE ASKED. 
          BUT SINCE WE'VE GOT AGENDA ITEMS, WE'LL TOUCH ON THOSE WHEN WE GET TO THEM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHIRMER, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ROB REGARDING ANY OF THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED? IS THAT THE AGENCY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, ROB. 
          UH, HEARING NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THREE B, 
          [  Supplemental Appropriations]
WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE SUPPLEMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I PUT IN YOUR PACKET INITIALLY, AND THEN SEND OUT A REVISION THIS AFTERNOON, THE INITIAL ONE HAD 12 SECTIONS, AND THE NEW ONE HAS A DOWN TO 10 SECTIONS. 
          AND, UH, JUST GO OVER QUICKLY, THE, UM, UH, ITEMS IN HERE, UM, WE RECEIVED, UH, OR WILL BE RECEIVING A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR A PROJECT, UH, MIAMI VILLAS. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO PRE-FUND THAT BEFORE THE GRANT MONEY, UH, COMES IN FROM THE GENERAL FUND, UH, PART OF THAT WILL BE A TRANSFER PART WILL BE AN ADVANCE, A TOTAL PROJECT, 159,500. 
          OUR COSTS OF THAT WILL BE 52,500. 
          SO THE REST OF IT WILL BE GRANT MONEY. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE TO BUDGET THAT IN THE CDBG FUND. 
          AND THEN AS THE GRANT MONIES COMES IN THAT MONEY, THE ADVANCED PART WILL BE RETURNED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, $648,006 THAT THE CARRIAGE TRAILS FUND, AS IT IS RECEIVING THE SIBLING PROCEEDS WILL BE RETURNING BACK TO THE GAS TAX FUND, WHICH PRE-FUNDED THAT. 
          SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NO INCREASE TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL COVERED BY SIBO AND PROCEEDS THAT WILL BE COMING IN. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE REMAINING DOLLARS ON THE TWO SIBLINGS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING. 
          THE, UH, NEXT ITEM WOULD BE A, WE NEED TO, UH, INCREASE THE AMOUNT FOR POSTAGE. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UM, FOR 2021 CENTRALIZING ALL OF OUR POSTAGE EXPENSES OUT OF THE CENTRAL SERVICES, PART OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL IS AN INCREASE, UM, TO THE POSTAGE AMOUNT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I THINK I GAVE YOU A WRONG NUMBER 13,007 50 IS WHAT WE NEED FOR POSTAGE, AND THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY, UM, UH, COVERED BY DECREASES IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO THAT REALLY IS NOT AN INCREASE AT ALL TO THE BUDGET IS AN INCREASE IN ONE LINE ITEM AND THEN A DECREASE IN OTHER LINE ITEMS. AS WE MOVE ALL EXPENSES PROPOSED TO THE GENERAL FUND CENTRAL SERVICES ACCOUNT, A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF POSTAGE FOR THE CITY. 
          THEN THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS, UM, UH, OPENGOV SERVICES FOR OUR FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY WAS, UH, NOT IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED. 
          SO WE ARE, UM, ADDING THAT AT THIS TIME AND WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE, UM, UH, SECTION OF THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, BUDGET TO COVER THAT EXPENSE. 
          SO THERE'LL BE ONCE AGAIN, NO INCREASE IN THE BUDGET, UH, OVERALL FOR THAT, UH, INCREASE, UH, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. 
          AND, UH, THEN WE MOVED DOWN TO, UM, $150,000 IS NEEDED FOR, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EXPENSES AND UTILITY EXPENSES FOR THE NEW CITY PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD PURCHASED LAST YEAR. 
          UM, WE, AT THE TIME THAT THE BUDGET WAS PASSED, DID NOT KNOW A GOOD ESTIMATE ON WHAT THOSE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EXPENSES WOULD BE. 
          AND, UH, NOW WE BELIEVE THAT'LL BE, UH, AROUND $150,000 RANGE. 
          UM, THAT WILL BE, I DON'T HAVE IT LISTED HERE ON YOUR, UM, UH, YOU ALWAYS APPROVE THE EXPENSES, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, OF THAT 150,000, UH, RENT AND OTHER MONEY'S 
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COMING INTO THE CITY. 
          UH, WE'LL COVER THAT. 
          AND THEN SOME, UH, WE EXPECT RENT TO COME IN, UH, COVERED BY, UM, UH, AT LEAST $50,000. 
          I THINK THE ESTIMATE WAS, UM, MAYBE AS HIGH AS 244,000. 
          AND, UH, I'LL HAVE A, UM, UH, I'LL LOOK AT THOSE DETAILS AND PUT THAT IN THE COUNCIL PACKET FOR MONDAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW EXACTLY. 
          UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT THE EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN COVERED BY THE REVENUES COMING IN FROM THE RENT THAT WE'LL RECEIVE FROM THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE LAST ITEM IS, UH, THREE PARTS, UH, COVERING WATER FUNDS, SEWER FUND, AND STORMWATER FUND. 
          AND THAT WAS LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER, UH, FOR AN INCREASE TO THE SUEZ CONTRACT. 
          AND SO THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS, UH, 730, 3094 FOR WATER, 165,001 46 FOR SEWER, 18,350 FOR STORM WATER. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THOSE WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER, WHICH WAS AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE 20, 21 BUDGETS. 
          SO I'M BRINGING THEM TO YOU TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL I HAVE. 
          YES. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO, TO AUGMENT JIM'S COMMENTS, UM, COUNSEL, MIGHT'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TERMS AND SOME EXPLANATIONS THAT HAVEN'T TYPICALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN PREVIOUS, UH, WHAT WE CALL SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO ENHANCE THAT, UH, TO, TO ILLUSTRATE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE $150,000 FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE AND ONGOING UPKEEP OF THE, UM, UH, SOUTH POINT CROSSING PROPERTIES THAT WE ACQUIRED. 
          UH, WHAT WE GENERALLY DON'T ALSO INCLUDE IS WE ASSUME THAT THE WORD SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS IS CHANGING OUR BUDGET. 
          THE BUDGET IS OUR OVERALL ESTIMATE, INCLUDING REVENUES EXPENDITURES. 
          THE SUPPLEMENT TO THE APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE IS JUST THE APPROPRIATIONS PART, THE EXPENSE PART. 
          SO ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD APPEAR AS IF THERE ARE INCREASES BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD USED. 
          THERE MAY BE AN INCREASE IN ONE FUND, BUT THERE'S A DECREASE IN THE OTHER, THEREFORE, A NET CHANGE TO THE OVERALL BUDGET. 
          UH, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR, UH, IN EXPLANATIONS, UH, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, IT IS CLEAR AS HOW THINGS ARE ACCOUNTED, HOW THINGS ARE COVERED IN REVIEWED AND IN THE CAFFER ET CETERA, BUT THE METHODS THAT THIS COUNCIL BUDGETS BEING VERY DILIGENT AND VERY ACCOUNTABLE BY EXCUSE THE PUN FOR THE ACCOUNTING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY EXPENDITURE AND EVERY TRANSFER CHANGE WITHIN THOSE FUNDS IS DELIBERATED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL. 
          AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS GIVE THE INFORMATION THAT EVEN THOUGH THE WORD INCREASES USED, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INCREASE TO THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S AN INCREASE IN THAT PARTICULAR FUND TO SUPPLEMENT THE APPROPRIATION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. 
          HOWEVER, IT COULD BE OFFSET BY EITHER AN INCREASE IN REVENUE BECAUSE IT WAS PLANNED FOR, OR A DECREASE IN ANOTHER FUND. 
          AND IT CHANGED IN BALANCE THERE. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT EXPLANATION FROM JIM AND IN HOW WE WENT THROUGH THAT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT, AND YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO IN THE FUTURE, UH, PERHAPS HAVING THAT ILLUSTRATED, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BRIEF CHART THAT'S INCLUDED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT, UM, NOT NECESSARILY CONFUSING, BUT NOT AS CLEARLY EXPLAINING WHAT THE ACTUAL ACCOUNTING OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE. 
          IT'S GOOD FOR THE LANGUAGE OF HOW IT CHANGES THE APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD TO SHOW THE ACTUAL ACCOUNTING FOR THE TRUE BUDGET. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, TO THAT AS WE CONTINUE ON THROUGH 2021 AS WELL. 
          THANKS, ROB, IS THERE A WAY THAT, UM, WHEN WE SEE THESE SUPPLEMENTALS WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY GET JUST WHAT THAT BOTTOM BLIND NUMBERED LIKE INACTIVES, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO THE BUDGET, WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT MONEY, LIKE YOU SAID, AN INCREASE IN REVENUE. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME OF THESE INCREASES IN SPECIFIC FUNDS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THAT DETAILED BREAKDOWN THAT SHOWS WHAT THE, WHAT THE FINAL NET IMPACT OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT APPROPRIATIONS ARE TO THE ACTUAL BUDGET? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT MAY BE A DECREASE. 
          SOMETIMES THAT'D BE AN INCREASE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO ABLE TO SEE WHAT THAT NET IMPACT IS. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          AND, UM, UH, WE, WE WERE STILL KIND OF DEVELOPING HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE ACTUAL THING, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. 
          AND THAT CHART THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD GO, WE WERE GOING TO ADD COLUMNS THAT BASICALLY SHOWS WHAT THE MAYBE INCREASE OR CHANGE WOULD BE TO THAT PARTICULAR FUND, WHAT THE EITHER DECREASE OR FROM ANOTHER FUND THEN RESULTING IN WHAT THE OVERALL NET CHANGE TO THE SCALE OF THE BUDGET WOULD BE. 
          SO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS COULD BE EITHER 
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DECREASES FROM OTHER FUNDS OR INCREASES IN THE REVENUE, UH, TO SHOW WHAT THE TRUE IMPACT AND NET CHANGE TO THE BUDGET, NOT THE NET CHANGE TO THE PARTICULAR FUND WITHIN THAT APPROPRIATION. 
          SO YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO ILLUSTRATE WITHIN THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS. 
          AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT THROUGH THAT, THAT, THAT TABLE, I SAID, CHART, BUT IT'S A TABLE, UH, AT THE VERY END AS AN EXHIBIT. 
          SO YES, YOU'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT, UH, IN ANY FUTURE POTENTIAL SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE REAL HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. BAKER. 
          YES. 
          I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MR. BELL OR MR. SCHOMER. 
          UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW PROPERTY. 
          IT WAS ACQUIRED, THERE'LL BE SOME EXPENSES TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          UH, WILL THE CITY STAFF LIKE SAY IT'S MORE GRASS CUTTING, WILL THE CITY STAFF TAKE CARE OF THAT? DO WE NEED A LOT MORE MONEY FOR OVERTIME OR LIKE WILL AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE OUT? THAT'S WHEN I QUESTIONED, YEAH, WE'VE HIRED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE RETAIL SYSTEM AND STRUCTURE THERE'S, UH, SOMETHING CALLED CAM OR COMMON AREA MAINTENANCE COSTS AND FEES ASSOCIATED, UH, ON A, ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO OFFSET THE COST OF ANY OF THOSE MAINTENANCE COSTS ON TOP OF THE RENT. 
          SO THE RENT BASICALLY COVERS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HOLDING AND PROVIDING THE SPACE. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE IS CREATED BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THE SPACE WOULD BE, UM, TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THAT. 
          SO WE'VE HIRED THAT COMPANY TO A MANAGE THE TENANTS, RECEIVED THE CHECKS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE INFORMATION LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE THAT PROPERTY AND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT TO BURDEN ANY OF THE EXISTING SERVICES OR DETRACT FROM THOSE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN WE MADE THAT PURCHASE, WE MADE THAT PURCHASE WITH THE CONSCIOUS, UH, KNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, THE PROFITS FROM IT TAKES CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS OWNER WOULD HAVE. 
          SO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THAT'S, UM, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BAKER. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROB BEFORE FOR JIM REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WE WENT OVER? OKAY. 
          SEEING AND HEARING NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE 
          [  Citywide Vacation Leave Carryover Policy]
CITYWIDE VACATION LEAVE AND CARRY OVER POLICY, ROB. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WILL NOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD A WORD TO BOTH THE LEGISLATION AND THE TITLE IT'S GOING TO BE VACATION AND PERSONAL LEAVE. 
          UH, I LEFT THAT OUT, UM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, 2020, UM, IS BEHIND US. 
          AND ONE OF THE, UH, EFFECTS OF THAT WAS VERY LIMITED TRAVEL, NOT ONLY RESTRICTED FROM CITY BUSINESS, BUT PERSONAL BUSINESS AS WELL, MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T GO ON VACATIONS. 
          AND WE'RE VERY LUCKY THAT OUR STAFF REMAINED, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY REMAINED AVAILABLE. 
          SHOULD WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF COMING ILL, UH, NEEDING TIME OFF, WHETHER IT'S CHILDCARE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE AND COMMEND ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND STAFF FOR BEING COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONE ELEMENT OF SERVICE WAS DIMINISHED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE YEAR, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THOUGH, UH, MANY HOURS OF SCHEDULED PLANNED VACATION THAT NORMALLY IS USED AS IT'S ACCRUED THROUGH THE YEAR, WENT UNUSED, UH, AND RATHER THAN JUST ELIMINATING THOSE HOURS, UM, THAT WOULD BE OF NO FAULT TO THE EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO CARRY THOSE HOURS OVER THROUGH 2021 TO ENABLE THE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO UTILIZE THOSE HOURS THAT THEY ACCRUED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION WOULD DO. 
          AND, UM, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ASK THAT, UH, UM, THAT, UH, SUPPORTED AND PASSED ON A MONDAY. 
          NOPE. 
          ROB DID THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO 2022 OR 23, OR THIS ISN'T AN ONGOING POLICY CHANGE. 
          THIS IS JUST TOO FOR TONY , IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE STANDING POLICY IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY CARRY OVER WHAT YOU ACCRUE IN A YEAR, AND IF YOU DON'T USE THAT, THEN WHATEVER THE ACCESS IS, IS ELIMINATED BY THE END OF MARCH. 
          UH, THAT'S, WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE CITY POLICY. 
          WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES IS CLEARLY THROUGH FOR THE 20, 20 OVER CARRY OVER BALANCES ONLY THROUGH 2021. 
          SO, UH, BASICALLY RATHER THAN UTILIZING THEM PRIOR TO MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, UH, THOSE BALANCES NEED TO BE USED PRIOR TO THE END OF NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? YES. 
          MR. WEBB, THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS FOR ROB, UH, ROB, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THIS IS REALLY NOT AT A COST TO THE CITY? THESE ARE HOURS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN USED UNDER NORMAL NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ADDING ANYTHING TO THE BUDGET BY DOING THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT, THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT 
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CORRECT. 
          UH, THESE ARE HOURS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN A CRUDE THAT NORMALLY UNDER A NORMAL YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN USED. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY WEREN'T, AND AGAIN, IT WAS AT NO FAULT OF THE EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S FAIR FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IT IS TIME THAT THEY ACCRUED DURING THEIR PERFORMING HOURS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, AND OFFERING THE AVAILABILITY, THE EXTENDED AVAILABILITY TO MAKE USE OF THOSE HOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AGREE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, MR. HILL. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU AND THE REST OF THE STAFF FOR COMING UP WITH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR STAFF, YOU KNOW, UM, I PERSONALLY HAD THIS HAPPEN WITH MY COMPANY THIS YEAR WHERE I DIDN'T USE ANY OF MY VACATION. 
          AND SO SEEING THIS HAPPEN AT, UM, AT THE, AT THE CITY LEVEL IS GREAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO COME IN WITH THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS FOR SHARING. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY? OKAY. 
          HEARING NONE. 
          I'M SEEING NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          THE NEXT STEP IS ITEM THREE D 
          [  ZC 20-31 - Major Change - Basic Development Plan - Koehler & Wang - The Oaks Subdivision]
WHICH IS THE, UH, ZONING CASE 20 DASH 31 MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CHORD WANG AT THE OAKS SUBDIVISION, MR. MARKEL, UH, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, GOOD EVENING TONIGHT. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO SHARE MY SCREEN RIGHT NOW TOO IS NOW EXITING POWERPOINT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF YOU COULD TELL ME, IS THAT SHOWING UP? UM, I'M NOT SEEING AS OF YET STILL, NO. 
          NOPE. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE SHARE BUTTON, SCOTT. 
          I DID THAT, UM, CLICK THE SHARE. 
          WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW YOU ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MAJOR CHANGE AT THE, UH, THE OAKS OF HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE THIS AREA, UM, IS TO NAME IT OR ANDRE COURT COURTYARD, AS IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A SEPARATE PIECE FROM THE REST OF THE OAKS WITH THE HISTORY ON THIS. 
          UH, THERE IS A, UH, SECTION OF LAND, A LITTLE OVER 14 ACRES. 
          THAT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG. 
          UH, BACK IN 2003, THE OAKS SUBDIVISION WENT THROUGH A, A REZONING PROCESS THAT, UH, AMENDED THE ORIGINAL ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE, UH, USED FOR A CHURCH. 
          UH, THIS, UH, THE, THE PLAN WAS REDONE TO REMOVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FROM THIS CORNER. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, THE CHURCH THAT'S LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET WAS LOOKING FOR MORE LAND ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING SOMETHING NEW, UH, OVER THE YEARS, UH, PLANS FELL THROUGH. 
          THEY NEVER, UH, MOVED FORWARD WITH BUILDING THAT CHURCH AND THEN THIS PROPERTY UP FOR SALE. 
          SO THERE'S A, A NEW DEVELOPER THAT IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY AND HAS WORKED OUT A DEAL FOR, UH, THAT LAND. 
          AND, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS, WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY DID, THEY CAME TO PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE. 
          SO THEY CAME TO PLANNING. 
          COMMISSION, CAME WITH THEIR IDEAS AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          FROM THAT FEEDBACK, THEY CREATED A FINAL PLAN FOR THIS MAJOR CHANGE, WENT THROUGH THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS AND TO PLANNING COMMISSION TYPICALLY ON A MAJOR CHANGE OR A REZONING, WE NOTIFY, UH, PER OUR CODE A 200 FOOT RADIUS AROUND THE PROPERTY ITSELF DUE TO THIS BEING WITHIN A SUBDIVISION, THE OAK SUBDIVISION. 
          WE NOTIFIED EVERY RESIDENT WITHIN THE OAKS SUBDIVISION, UM, OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND, UH, BEFORE IT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, WE PUT THE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE AND A LINK GAVE PEOPLE A LINK TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, AT, AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. 
          SO WITH THAT, THIS DID GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION, 
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UH, DID DISCUSS THIS. 
          THEY, UH, REQUESTED SOME MORE INFORMATION TABLE THE ITEM AND, UH, MOVE FORWARD AT THE, UH, THE NEXT MEETING, UM, WHICH DUE TO THE WAY THAT THE WAY THE CALENDAR FELL, IT WAS A MONTH LATER BEFORE THEY, UH, UH, HEARD THE, UH, CASE AGAIN. 
          SO IT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, BASICALLY THREE TIMES. 
          AND, UH, WITH THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE LAST MEETING VOTED, UM, FOR, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, FIVE TO SIX. 
          SO WHAT IS, UH, UH, THIS WAS THE AREA ORIGINAL PLAN THAT SHOWED THE CHURCH AND SPLIT OFF, UH, THE STREETS AND THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. 
          THAT WAS THE OAKS. 
          AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK, UH, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT SHOWED RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WENT THROUGH THAT, THIS AREA. 
          YEAH, THE PROPOSAL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT'S, UH, ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, BASICALLY IT'S OWN SEPARATE LITTLE SUBDIVISION SINCE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS DEVELOPED OUT. 
          IF YOU GO OUT TO THE SITE, IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST, UH, SECTION NINE OF THE OAKS WITH THE CONNECTOR STREET THAT COMES DOWN TO FITCHBURG ROAD HAS JUST BEEN COMPLETED AND, UH, HAS THE STREETS PAVED AND UTILITIES, UH, ARE PLACED AND THEY HAVE THE FINAL PLAT THAT'S RECORDED AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO SELL, UH, HOUSES ON THOSE LOTS. 
          SO WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS IS FOR, UH, 46, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UM, THIS, UH, HAS A STREET THAT COMES OFF OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, AND IT ALSO CONNECTS TO FITCHBURG ROAD. 
          SO TWO POINTS OF ENTRY AND THEN A CONNECTOR STREET IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, WITH THIS, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUFFER THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          SO HAVING A MOUND WITH TREES ALONG BOTH THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDES, AND THEN ALSO FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE MOUNDING AND BUFFERING ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG. 
          UM, I WILL, SO YOU, AS YOU SEE, UH, LOCATED, UM, ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN, THAT IS THE LOW MOUND THAT WAS APPROVED AND THE TREES THAT HAVE GROWN UP OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THAT THERE'S HOUSES BEHIND THAT AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THIS NEW SECTION UTILITIES, UH, PUBLIC SEWER PUBLIC WATER IS BEING PROPOSED TO CONNECT INTO THE CITY SYSTEM. 
          UH, DRAINAGE DRAINAGE WAS A BIG CONCERN FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, THAT IS, THIS SITE CURRENTLY DRAINS, UH, FROM THE WEST TO THE NORTHEAST. 
          SO THERE'S THE, IT'S BASICALLY A FARM FIELD RIGHT NOW. 
          IT FLOWS TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND FLOWS ALONG THOSE BACK, UH, THAT THE REARS OF THE PROPERTIES THERE AND GOES INTO AN EXISTING DETENTION AREA. 
          WHAT THIS WILL DO IS COLLECT ALL THE WATER WITHIN THE STREETS, STORM SEWER, AND INTO A NEW DETENTION AREA. 
          SO THIS WILL PULL ANY OF THAT EXISTING WATER FROM THOSE BACKYARDS, THE EXISTING BACKYARDS AND THAT EXISTING, UH, DETENTION BASIN. 
          SO THIS, UH, SOLVES A LOT OF ISSUES THAT, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE HAD WITH US DURING SOME OF THE HEAVY RAINS, HAVING THEIR BACKYARDS HAVE WATER THAT FLOWS THROUGH IT, TO THEIR EXISTING DETENTION BASIN. 
          UH, THERE IS AN OPEN SPACE IN THE CENTER THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, THAT, UH, WAS A PASSIVE OPEN SPACE GREEN SPACE THAT HAS ACCESS OFF OF THE STREETS THEMSELVES. 
          THE W PROPERTY THEMSELVES, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS FOR, UH, 85 FOOT LOTS, AND, UH, UH, 140 FOOT DEPTHS AND A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT, FRONT 40 FOOT REAR MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT SIDE YARDS. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STYLE, UH, TO HAVE, UM, DEEPER HOUSES RATHER THAN WIDER HOUSES. 
          SO THE REQUEST IS FOR, UH, THESE LOTS TO HAVE, UM, ON THE EXTERIOR LOTS, MINIMUM OF 60 FOOT LOTS, AND THEN SOME OF THE INTERIOR LOTS, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT GET DOWN TO 55 FOOT, LOTS, THE HOUSES THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED, WHICH I'LL SHOW HERE IN A MINUTE OR A 40 FOOT WIDE. 
          SO THE SIDE YARDS ON THE EXTERIOR WOULD BE 10 FOOT ON EACH SIDE THAT, SO THAT WOULD MEET, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING, UM, THE REST OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THEN ON THE COUPLE OF SMALLER LOTS, IT WOULD BE ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT, UH, SIDE YARDS. 
          SO A TOTAL OF 15 IN BETWEEN HOUSES, THE HOUSES ARE DEEPER. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 70 FOOT DEEP. 
          SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD AND A 25 FOOT REAR YARD IN THOSE RARE YARDS AS CAN BE SEEN ON THE PLAN. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THE ONES THAT ABUT UP AGAINST EXISTING HOMES DOES HAVE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER THE, UM, THAT 20 FOOT FRONT YARD REQUEST. 
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UH, TYPICALLY A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD IS, ARE PRETTY MUCH STANDARD. 
          IN MOST AREAS, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO DO A PRIVATE STREET, SO THEY WILL MAINTAIN IT AND WITH, UH, WITH NO SIDEWALKS ON IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE AND LEAVE ROOM FOR PARKING IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS THEMSELVES, UM, IN THE DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WE'LL GET TO THE PART OF, IT WAS ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. 
          ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH A DEEPER HOUSE IS HOW THAT REAR YARD IS BEING USED. 
          UH, THEIR DESIGN IS FOR WE'LL SAY, WELL, I'LL CALL IT. 
          THEIR BACK PATIO IS ACTUALLY IN THE SIDE YARD. 
          UH, SO AT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE HERE IS WHERE, UH, PATIOS WILL BE. 
          SO THAT'S THEIR GATHERING SPACE, UH, FOR THE EXTERIOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER, NO SHOWING THAT AREA. 
          SO THAT HELPS, UH, KEEP SOME OF THAT, UH, UH, THE GATHERING AWAY FROM THE REAR LOTS. 
          SO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UH, THE EXISTING, UM, REQUIREMENTS IS THAT, UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE SIZE, THE A AT LEAST 90% OF ALL SINGLE STORY RANCH DWELLING SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 1600 SQUARE FOOT, UM, OF A LIVABLE AREA. 
          ALL OF THESE HOMES ARE A LITTLE OVER 1900 SQUARE FOOT OF LIVABLE AREA, PLUS ANOTHER 400 AND SOME FOUR GARAGE AREA. 
          SO THESE ARE LARGER HOMES THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE OAK. 
          SO THERE'S A LARGE MIX IN THE OAKS OF HOW SIZES SOME ARE LARGER AND SOME ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, THE, UM, MASONRY REQUIREMENTS AND INSIDE THE EXISTING OAKS DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEY HAVE A, UH, 25%, UM, REQUIREMENT OF THAT'S THE WHOLE HOUSE, UM, OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE MASONRY, THE RE AND I'LL SHOW YOU, I'VE GOT A, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING HOMES WITHIN THE OAKS SUBDIVISION, BASICALLY THAT YOU HAVE THE MASONRY ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE FRONT, NOT THE WHOLE AREA, AS YOU'LL SEE. 
          SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE SOME AREAS WITH SOME VINYL UP FRONT AND THE SIDES AND THE REAR ARE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE VINYL SIDING. 
          AND THEN TO GET TO THAT 25%, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE BACK HERE THAT THE MASONRY DOES WRAP AROUND A BIT FROM WHAT, UH, IS, UH, TO, TO GET TO THEIR CALCULATION, THEIR REQUEST, UM, IS, UM, MULTIPLE MATERIALS TO HAVE SOME, UH, SOME SHAKE DESIGN, SOME MASONRY AND SOME, UH, VINYL SIDING, UM, TO COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE. 
          SO THIS WILL BE MULTIPLE, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD THAT CAME FROM PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT OF THE 25% OF THE WHOLE HOUSE, UH, FIRST FLOOR TO BE MASONRY. 
          THEIR REQUEST IS, UM, TO BE ABOUT 19% TO MEET THAT. 
          SO THAT IT'S JUST ON THE FRONT FACADE AND NOT HAVE TO WRAP IT AROUND TO THE SIDE. 
          SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE 25%, WHICH WOULD, UH, MAKE IT, HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MASONRY ON THE SIDE, IN COMPARISON TO THE HOUSES WITHIN THE OAKS, UM, WITH THESE HOUSES BEING, UH, NOT AS WIDE THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE A SIMILAR LOOK TO THE FRONT. 
          IT'S JUST A 40 FOOT FRONTAGE INSTEAD OF, UH, SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE 50 TO 55 FOOT WIDE. 
          UM, SO, UM, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WERE A NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. 
          THESE ARE IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, EMAILS AND LETTERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS WAS AN ONLINE MEETING AS THIS IS, WE MADE SURE TO REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENTS AND ASK THEM TO SEND THEIR COMMENTS AHEAD OF TIME, SEND EMAILS SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THEM AT THE MEETING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE ARE FIVE PAGES WORTH OF COMMENTS THAT, UM, I READ IN AND READ ANSWERS INTO. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, IF YOU, LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM, BUT, UM, BASICALLY THINGS ABOUT THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE HOMES, THE HOME VALUES, UH, THE DRAINAGE, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, HOW THE BUFFER WORKS, UM, UM, THE, THE VALUE OF HOMES, UH, THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, WHICH WE DISCUSSED THE, UM, THERE WAS TALK OF A THREE ACRE GREEN SPACE. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING A 1.7, FIVE ACRE, UH, GRAIN SPACE. 
          UM, SO, UM, 
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UH, PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THERE WAS A CHURCH THAT THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST WALK THROUGH THE PROPERTY, TO GET ACROSS THE STREET TO THE PARK. 
          UM, NOW THAT THE, UH, STREET IS CONNECTED IN SECTION NINE, YOU DO HAVE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC STREETS TO GET DOWN TO FITCHBURG ROAD, UH, RATHER THAN WALKING ACROSS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE, THE CHURCH ITSELF. 
          UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT CHILDREN AND PETS IN A FENCE FREE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES ABOUT PETS OUTSIDE THAT THEY DO NEED TO BE LEASHED. 
          UM, AND WHETHER THIS IS A NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF SUBDIVISION THE CITY DOESN'T REGULATE CHILDREN, UM, IN ANY WAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, ABOVE GROUND POOLS, THERE'S NO PROPOSAL FOR A POOL SHEDS. 
          THERE'S A, THEY ARE GOING TO RESTRICT THAT THERE ARE NO SHEDS, THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO OWN EVERY SINGLE LOT. 
          AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RENT OUT EACH OF THESE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. 
          UM, THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS THAT A, THEY CANNOT BE RENTALS OVER IN THE OAKS. 
          THERE IS A GOOD, ANY ONE OF THOSE COULD BE RENTALS AS WELL. 
          GOING BACK TO THE, UH, THE STREET ITSELF, UM, OUT AT BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG AS PART OF THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, IT IS TO, UH, COMPLETELY IMPROVE THIS SIDE OF THE STREET ON BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG TO WIDEN WITH CURBS AND GUTTERS AND SIDEWALKS ALONG THE WAY, UM, THAT, UH, MEETS THE STANDARD STREET SECTION, UH, FOR GOING TO A THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SHOW THIS AREA AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO IT DOES MATCH THAT, UM, THE, UM, C THAT'S, UH, THE BASIS OF THIS, THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, AND IT'S SCHEDULED FOR TWO READINGS AT CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE APPLICANTS ARE ON THIS CALL. 
          THE LIKE DID SEE THEY DID LOG IN, UH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          SO SCOTT ISN'T, AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M HAVING A FLASHBACK LIKE 2002, 2003, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE HOUSES THAT ARE SOME WALK AND THE, AND THE WHOLE DESIGN PLAN FOR, FOR SHORTER, WITH HOMES THAT ARE DEEPER AND SIDE YARDS AND SIDE PATIOS. 
          AND EVEN IN SOME OF THE, UH, UH, SOME OF THE RENDERINGS FOR THE ELEVATIONS, THE WINDOWS THAT SEEM A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO KIND OF ALLOW FOR SOME MORE PRIVACY. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M MAN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AS AN, AS A, AS AN ENGINEER THAT WORKED ON THAT PROJECT TOO, I THINK I'M HAVING SOME FLASHBACKS. 
          IT LOOKS VERY, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR. 
          UH, GOT, UH, MS. BAKER. 
          YES, I DID A COUPLE. 
          JUST A QUESTION. 
          SO EVERY HOUSE WILL HAVE A GARAGE WOULD BE ONE CAR GARAGE, A TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          I BELIEVE THESE ARE TWO CURRENT ROCKETS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL TH I ASSUME THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION OR PUD DEVELOPMENT SINCE IT IS WITHIN, UH, THE, THE OVERALL PUD OF THE OAKS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          UM, THE OWNERS ARE GOING TO OWN EVERY PROPERTY, SO THEY ARE GOING TO HANDLE ALL MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION AREA MOWING. 
          UM, SINCE THEY ARE REQUESTING THE PRIVATE STREETS, THEY WILL HANDLE PLOWING IN THE WINTER. 
          UM, ANY OF THE, THE, THE HOUSES THEMSELVES, THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW MANY DIFFERENT PATTERNS OR FACADES WILL THEY HAVE ON THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES? DID THEY TELL US OKAY. 
          THAT THEY'VE GOT THREE OPTIONS THAT THEY'VE PUT FORWARD, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING AS WELL, THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE AS A FINAL PLAN, AND ARE THEY, THEY REALLY WANT TO HAVE LESS THAN, THAN 25% FRONT FACADES, THE ALL FOR THE LESS THAN 25% OF THE WHOLE BUILDING, UH, THEY ARE, UH, AS THE PLANS SHOW, THEY, UH, ARE, LOOK AT THE MASONRY ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UH, THEY CAN DO THE WHOLE FRONT, WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR WHEN, UH, LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER NEW PLACES GOING, AND WHAT'S THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR OTHER BUSINESSES GOING AND BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR A COM A COMPLETELY RAW PIECE OF GROUND, SOMEBODY WANTED TO THAT'S STRAIGHT ZONE. 
          THAT'S NOT A PUD, IT'S A FULL MASONRY RAP IS WHAT OUR CODE STATES PUD IS. 
          WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF, UH, WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR MASONRY. 
          SOME OF THE NEWER ONES, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE CARROTS TRAILS, THAT'S A, JUST A TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT, UH, FRONTAGE ON, UM, 50% OF THE HOMES. 
          SO THERE THERE'S CERTAIN HOMES THAT DON'T 
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EVEN NEED ANY MASONRY UP THERE, LEXINGTON PLACE THAT CAME THROUGH RECENTLY, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THAT WITH THAT, UH, 25%, BUT A STRAIGHT ZONES PIECE THAT IF YOU CAME IN TODAY, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES IS A, A FULL BRICK WRAP OR A FULL MASONRY WRAP OF THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. 
          THANK YOU, KATHLEEN. 
          UH, MR. CAMPBELL. 
          YEAH, SCOTT, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STREETS ON THE INTERIOR ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE, NOT PUBLIC? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT IS, UH, TO BE DESIGNED WITH THE SIZE, THE WIDTH AND THE, THE DEPTHS AND THE MATERIALS OF OUR STANDARD STREET SECTION FOR PUBLIC, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING THOSE TO BE PRIVATE STREETS. 
          YES. 
          AND SCOTT DOES, UH, STAFF, UH, HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THE WORKINGS OF A SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS WITH PRIVATE STREETS AND WHAT SOME OF THE PLUSES AND MINUSES MIGHT BE? SURE. 
          UM, SO IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, I KNOW, UH, LIKE ELYSIAN FIELDS, THAT IS A, A SUBDIVISION THAT, UH, CONDOS THAT, UH, HAD PRIVATE STREETS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT THE, THE PLUSES AND MINUSES, UH, FOR, UH, THE, THE POSITIVES FOR THE CITY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM WHEN IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THOSE STREETS. 
          THAT IS THE, UM, UH, ON THE HOMEOWNER OR THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER THEMSELVES. 
          UM, THE, UH, POSITIVES FOR THE DEVELOPER IS, LIKE I SAID, THEIR REQUEST OF, UH, NO SIDEWALKS ON THESE STREETS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT'S THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE IN THE FUTURE IS WHERE THE CITY SAVINGS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE ANY SUBDIVISIONS THAT COULD BE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ALL RENTALS OR SUMMER RENTALS WITH PRIVATE STREETS? AND, AND DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY THAT NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU COULD PROVIDE US? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          UM, CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE PRIVATE STREET AREAS, UM, UH, LIKE THE, UH, OFF THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UM, THAT HAVE, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, THAT ARE RENTALS BACK THERE THAT, UH, UM, HAVE PRIVATE STREETS AND, BUT YEAH, I'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE, UM, LANDSCAPING ON THE LOW BERM, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OR AN AGREEMENT OF A MAINTENANCE, UH, POLICY THAT WOULD BE, UH, RECORDED AND SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER? SO WE COULD ENSURE THAT IT STAYS MAINTAINED OR THE CITY COULD REMEDY IN SOME MANNER IF THEY DON'T SURE THAT CAN BE CREATED. 
          YES, DON'T CREATE JUST BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT COULD STAFF LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE IF SOMETHING WOULD BE NECESSARY? SURE. 
          THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THE DECISION RECORD THAT SHOWS THAT, UM, THOSE AREAS ARE TO BE MOUNDS IN TREES AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S, UH, UM, THE LONGEVITY IS THERE FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I WOULD SERIOUSLY LIKE TO KNOW THE PROS AND CONS HAVING PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE STREETS. 
          YES. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BALL, IF NOT ALL RENTALS, I WILL PUT THAT TOGETHER. 
          THANKS MS. BURCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING I'M HAVING, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A TROUBLE HERE, UH, RECONCILING WHAT WAS, UM, ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, UH, IN THE OAKS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THEY INTERFACE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN, IN MR SMITH'S LETTER WAS THAT, UH, HE ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHY IS THE PARCEL BEING CONSIDERED FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, INTO 46 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS, WHICH WILL EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE CITY ORDINANCE, UM, THAT HE IDENTIFIED THAT SPECIFIED A MAXIMUM OF 223 LOTS FOR THEIR PUD. 
          SO ALTHOUGH IT TURNED OUT THAT WAY, UH, THAT JUST GOES OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PUD. 
          IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, TH THAT'S WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. 
          SO THAT'S ANY TIME YOU HAVE, UM, A, UM, REQUEST FOR A REZONING OR 
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A MAJOR CHANGE, UM, THAT'S THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS IS GOING THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, HAVING PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN HAVING CITY COUNCIL WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE OR NOT. 
          UH, BACK BEFORE THIS WAS, UH, UH, THE OAKS, IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, FARM LAND, AND THEN , THAT WOULD HAVE HAD EVEN LARGER LOTS IN IT. 
          UH, THEY CAME FORWARD TO A PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE THAT, UH, ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, FOR THE OAKS ITSELF AND THAT MASTER PLAN AND THAT GOT APPROVED. 
          AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, IT CAME FORWARD ABOUT THE CHURCH PROPERTY SPLIT THAT OFF, THAT REDUCED THE OVERALL NUMBER OF LOTS. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THE REQUEST. 
          AND THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD, UH, WE'LL SAY OVERWRITE THAT PREVIOUS ORDINANCE AS A MAJOR CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR, UM, THIS NUMBER OF LOTS OR WHATEVER CITY COUNCIL DECIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEN SORT OF THE SAME ISSUE THAT, FROM WHAT, UM, I'VE READ WAS UNDER THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR THE OAKS, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A THREE ACRE GREEN SPACE THAT REQUIREMENT DOES NOT GET PUSHED OVER TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CURRENT DEVELOPER OVER THE OAKS HAS NOT SET THAT THREE ACRES ASIDE. 
          AM I CORRECT? WELL, WHEN THE CHURCH GOT SPLIT OFF, I KNOW THE CHURCH SAID THAT, HEY, WE'LL LET ANYBODY COME AND, UH, UTILIZE, UH, IF WE SET UP A, YOU KNOW, A BALL DIAMOND SOCCER FIELD OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD ALLOW ANYBODY TO COME OVER AND PLAY THERE, THAT THERE WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO. 
          SO THAT, UH, UH, WITH THAT REVISION, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE HAS A, ABOUT WHAT IT WAS 1.7 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, UM, THAT, UH, IT IS AN OVERALL REDUCTION IN OPEN SPACE FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS NOT IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OAKS. 
          THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CHURCH PROPERTY WAS GOING TO PROVIDE. 
          UM, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE AVAILABILITY. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE OF LITTLE POCKET PARKS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, DEDICATED THROUGHOUT THE OAKS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NORTHERN STATE LOTS AS WELL, UM, THAT ARE POTENTIAL, UM, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE OAKS THAT HAS A, UH, GREEN SPACE AND THE, UH, THAT WALKWAY THAT GOES UP TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S STILL ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED REGARDING, UH, FLOODING AND, AND THE, UM, RETENTION POND IS THAT I KNOW THIS ONE SAYS THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ITS OWN RETENTION POND, BUT, UM, IF, WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT REQUIRING THAT PROBLEM TO BE FIXED OF SINCE, UH, SINCE THE, UH, OAKS ARE STILL BEING DEVELOPED? I MEAN, COULD THIS EXACERBATE IT? OH, NO. 
          TH THIS FIXES ANY ISSUE THAT, UH, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTIES ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS PARCEL, I THINK ARE THE ONES THAT THE WATER FLOWS UP TO THE NORTH AND THEN FLOWS ALONG INTO AN EXISTING DETENTION BASED IN HERE. 
          SO IT'S THE REAR YARDS THAT, UM, DURING HEAVY RAINS THAT THEY HAVE WATER THAT FLOWS THROUGH THEIR BACKYARDS THAT GETS THROUGH HERE. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IS WITH THESE STREETS BEING PUT IN THAT NOW THAT WATER GETS COLLECTED INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND PUT INTO A WHOLE NEW DETENTION AREA. 
          SO THERE IS A VASTLY LESS WATER GOING TO THE BACKYARDS OF, UH, THOSE LOTS. 
          IT'S BASICALLY THE ONLY DRAINAGE IN THEIR BACKYARD, SO WILL BE FROM THEIR HOUSE ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE, DO, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, ON THIS ISSUE, UM, BROAD BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEIR NEXT MEETING BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION, WHEN THE CHURCH WAS PROPOSING IT, UH, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN THREE MEETINGS AT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE NEXT TIME THIS WOULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT, A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, I DO HAVE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS HERE THAT, UM, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COMMUNITY FOR FAMILIES. 
          AND, UM, I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH A COMMUNITY, EVEN 
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IF IT'S ENCLOSED NOT HAVING SIDEWALKS FOR CHILDREN TO RIDE THEIR BICYCLES ON, TO PLAY, TO SKATE, UM, FOR MOTHERS TO ROLL THEIR STROLLERS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO HAVE TO, FOR THEM TO BE IN THE STREET IN ORDER TO GET AROUND THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I HAVE, I, DO I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THIS? I THINK OUR CITY NEEDS TO BE MORE WALKABLE AND THIS IS GOING IN THE OPPOR OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND IT'S REALLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OAKS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, I, I THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST HANG UP THERE, UH, WITH NO SIDEWALKS. 
          I JUST, I CANNOT EVEN ENVISION WHETHER I WAS A RENTER OR AN OWNER LIVING IN A COMMUNITY WITH 40 SOME HOMES WHERE YOU COULD NOT WALK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MR. OTTO HAD HAD HIS HAND RAISED, BUT IT'S LIKE MR. KOHLER AND HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. AUDIT. 
          SO, UH, YES, MR. COLE. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST WANTED TO COMMENT. 
          UM, AS SCOTT SAID, IT IS, UH, TARGETED AS A, A RENTAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE CLEAR TO THESE PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME. 
          LIKE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FORCE THAT, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK AND THEN PULL IT OUT FROM UNDER THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON, UH, WE'RE ADDING SIDEWALKS TO BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG TO GIVE, AND YOU'D BE WALKING IN THE PRIVATE STREET BRIEFLY, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY WALK ON THOSE SIDEWALKS. 
          YOU COULD GET LIKE COMPLETELY ON SIDEWALKS TO THE NEW LIBRARY AREA. 
          UM, SO YEAH, EVERY EVERYONE'S GOING TO SEE IT UPFRONT IF THEY WANT TO RENT THESE HOUSES, THAT THEY CAN MAKE THEIR DECISIONS. 
          BUT MR. KOHLER, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE JUST WANT TO WALK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY DON'T WANT TO WALK OUT ON THE MAIN DRAGS YOU WALK AND YOU MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SOCIALIZE, WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, SKATING, UH, USING THEIR SCOOTERS, UH, PARENTS PUSHING THEIR, UM, KIDS IN STROLLERS. 
          I JUST ALL WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY HERE. 
          AND I JUST CAN'T EVEN ENVISION HOW YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO WALK IN THE STREET TO GO OUT AND GET ON A SIDEWALK TO GO UP PITTSBURGH OR DALLAS OR BELFAST. 
          UH, THAT, THAT IS, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS LIKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. 
          AND IF, IF SOMEBODY FELT LIKE YOU DO, AND THEY, THEY SAW OUR RENTAL HOUSES, IT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN THAT RIGHT. 
          TO NOT RENT IT. 
          LIKE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FORCE IT ON ANYBODY, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE HERE WELL, BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS IN GEARED THAT WAY. 
          WE'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND, AND WE GET OUT, WE SOCIALIZE. 
          AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A BUNKER HERE AND I, AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME. 
          THIS IS, AND IT HAS, IT'S LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE RENTERS, IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE THERE. 
          THAT'S THE WRONG ATTITUDE. 
          OH, WAIT. 
          WE THINK THEY MOST DEFINITELY WILL. 
          LIKE IT. 
          WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS. 
          AND IF YOU SEE ON SLIDE 10 IS AN EXAMPLE. 
          THIS IS FROM A COMMUNITY IN COLUMBUS, UM, CO FROM EPCON, TH THEY'RE ACTUALLY SMALLER, LOTS THAN OURS. 
          AND IT'S A SIMILAR LAYOUT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE PR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRIVATE OR WHAT, BUT THERE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS HERE EITHER. 
          AND THESE ARE BETWEEN FIVE TO $700,000 HOUSES. 
          I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A VERY, VERY NICE AREA. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TARGETING HERE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE WE BASED OUR, OUR LAYOUT OFF THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR AND WE'RE, WE'RE BASING OUR STYLE OF HOUSE ON THESE AS WELL. 
          AND HAVING VISITED THAT COMMUNITY, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY NICE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY NICER THAN THE OAKS, TO BE HONEST. 
          AND, AND YOU DON'T GET THAT BUNKER FEEL WHATSOEVER. 
          IT'S A VERY NICE COMMUNITY. 
          WELL, I GUESS IF $500,000 HOMES, IT WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE A BUNKER, BUT WE'RE TALKING SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT HERE AND I'VE EXPRESSED MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. 
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OKAY. 
          THANKS, MR. BERGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK MOST OF MY, THE QUESTIONS I HAD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY SCOTT, BUT SCOTT, UM, REAL QUICK, UH, IN READING THROUGH THE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE OAKS, UM, THE, THE THINGS THAT REALLY POPPED OUT TO ME WERE, UH, DENSITY A LOT SIZE AND THE SIZE OF THE HOMES. 
          HOW EQUIVALENT ARE THESE ROUGHLY TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE OAKS W THOSE PARTICULAR CATEGORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE LOT SIZES THEMSELVES ARE LESS WIDE. 
          UM, SO THE, THERE, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE 85 DOWN TO A 60 FOOT. 
          SO, BUT THE HOUSES THEMSELVES ARE THE SAME OR LARGER THAN WHAT'S IN THE OAKS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCES. 
          THAT'S A LONGER HOUSE THAT'S, UH, CREATING A SMALLER REAR YARD THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE OAKS, BUT THE ACTUAL HOUSE SIZE IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, LARGER, OR ABOUT THE SAME AS THE MAJORITY OF THE OAKS THEMSELVES. 
          THE LOT SIZES ARE SMALLER. 
          THEY ARE SMALLER WIDTH. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE DENSITY IS A LITTLE HIGHER IN THIS AREA, THEN THE OVERALL DENSITY OF THE OAKS. 
          BUT IF YOU COULD PUT THAT INTO A, IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 20% SMALLER OR 10% SMILE, ROUGHLY, COULD YOU SAY, IS THERE A LARGE DIFFERENCE OR IS THIS, AND THEY'RE KIND OF TWISTED LOTS INSTEAD BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE ORIENTATION, ROUGHLY THE SAME, BUT TURN BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION. 
          UH, IT, IT, IT'S DEFINITELY A SMALLER LOT. 
          UH, SO VISIBLY, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THIS STREET COMPARED TO A STREET IN THE OAKS, YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE, NOT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN IT'LL BE ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE IN BETWEEN HOMES. 
          IT'S JUST, THESE HOMES HAVE A, UH, THEY ARE NOT AS WIDE AS THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE OAKS. 
          THEY'RE LONGER, THEY'RE DEEPER. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET, AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, YOU WOULD SEE MORE OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU'RE INSIDE THE HOUSE, LIKE I SAID, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE ROOM INSIDE THESE HOUSES. 
          AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KIND OF JOIN MR. CAMPBELL ON HIS, UH, THOUGHT OR QUESTION OF, UH, POSSIBLY COMING TO SOME TYPE OF A, AN AGREEMENT, A MAINTENANCE TYPE OF AGREEMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF THING. 
          CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHEN IT ALL BOILS DOWN READING THROUGH THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE OAKS. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS IT SEEMS TO ME, AND I MAY BE READING INTO IT, BUT MORE DOWN THE ROAD, THESE ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES. 
          WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO JUST BECOME TRASHED AND CRAPPY AND MAKE OUR PROPERTIES NOT LOOK GOOD. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN MR. CAMPBELL ON SEEING IF WE CAN WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF A, AN AGREEMENT THAT COULD BE HELD TO THAT THAT WOULD, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THIS MAINTENANCE IS, IS AS UPHILL. 
          SO. 
          SURE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, OTHERWISE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES, I'M BACK TO THE DEVELOPER, CHRIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE DENSITY. 
          UM, SO JANE AND I, FIRST OF ALL, WE, WE DON'T THINK OF THIS AS THE OAKS. 
          LIKE OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT DEVELOPER KIND OF BACKED OUT ON THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 15 YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN COMPARING IT TO THE OAKS FOR SURE, BUT ALSO TO OTHER NEWER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE ARTISTS AND WALK IS VERY CLOSE AND WE ARE LESS DENSE. 
          AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE HOUSES ARE BIGGER TOO, BUT DENSITY IS DEFINITELY LOWER THAN SOME OF THE MORE RECENT THINGS IN THAT AREA. 
          THEY'RE 55 FOOT WIDE, THEY'RE DEEP 55 BY ONE, WE'LL SAVE. 
          IT WERE BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          THE PREVIOUS COMMENT, THE HOUSES, THE EXAMPLE HOUSES WE SHOWED, THOSE ARE THESE, THE EXACT SAME LAYOUT IS ALSO 55 BY ONE 10. 
          THOSE ARE 53 FOOT LOTS IN THE PICTURE. 
          UM, AND TH THOSE ARE THE SAME EXACT MODEL, SAME SIZE AND EVERYTHING. 
          SAME STYLE THAT WE'RE TARGETING IS THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          I REFERENCED IN COLUMBUS WITH THE HIGH DOLLAR VALUE AND ALSO MANAGEMENT AND YEAH, SIMILAR MANAGEMENT, THEY MANAGE THE WHOLE THING. 
          WE REALLY RESEARCHED THAT COMPANY AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          UM, AND ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THAT SLIDE 10, THE MASONRY PERCENT PERCENTAGES, UM, WE FIND IT EASIER TO TRY TO THINK OF THE PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONT. 
          LIKE WE ORIGINALLY WERE PROPOSING 50% AND THAT'S THOSE THREE DESIGNS ALL MEET THAT 50% OF THE FRONT HAS MASONRY. 
          AND DEPENDING ON HOW YOU COUNT IT, LIKE WITH THE DOORS 
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AND WINDOWS OR WITH THE GABLE ENDS REMOVED, IT'S, IT GIVES YOU DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES OF THE TOTAL. 
          AND I WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE LANGUAGE WISE, HOW, HOW THE, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE WAS CORRECT, BUT WE DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE 50% OF THE FRONT LOOKS GOOD IN THIS CASE WHEN IT'S JUST SUBTRACTING DOORS AND WINDOWS, THOSE GREEN NUMBERS WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED. 
          SO THOSE THREE WOULD BE 60, 60, AND 50 PERCENTAGE PERCENT MASONRY, FRANCE, BUT YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE. 
          MR. WEBB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM UM, FIRST OFF QUESTION FOUR, UH, MR. IS A KAYLOR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WILL YOU DO A COMPLETE BUILD OUT OF ALL THESE UNITS PRIOR TO RENTAL, OR WILL THIS BE A, UH, BUILD AND RENT BUILDING RENT KIND OF AN AS YOU GO THING? YEAH. 
          A BUILDING RENT. 
          UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT YOUR, UH, DETAILED PHASE YET. 
          UM, YOU INITIAL NUMBER OF LOTS, UH, WAS, SCOTT WAS AT 31 AND NOW WE'RE AT 47. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S CLOSE TO THAT YET. 
          OR 46 IS THE NEW 31 OR 32. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, LOOKING AT THIS OR IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S ANY WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, UM, WITH SIDEWALKS. 
          I MEAN, THERE, THERE, UM, I NOODLE WITH THE DRAWINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD, HOW YOU COULD GET THE SIDEWALKS IN AND STILL MAINTAIN THE SIZE OF, UM, RESIDENTS. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR SLIDE 10 THAT SHOWS THE DESIGN ONE, DESIGN TWO AND DESIGN THREE. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT AT DETAILED YET, BUT I CAN'T SEE A CLOSEUP. 
          ARE ALL OF THESE UNITS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, UH, SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, OR WILL THEY VARY? SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, UH, PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT LAYOUTS WE'VE GOT, AND THEY WERE PROPOSING A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FACADE DESIGNS, BUT THEY, THEY ARE THE SAME, ALTHOUGH, UM, WE'VE KICKED THAT AROUND AS POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A MINOR TWEAK, BUT TH THIS IS PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAKING THEM SMALLER OR TO MAKE A SIDEWALK ROOM OR W W I JUST, THE SIDEWALK WAS JUST A COMMENT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT WITH THE NARROWING OF THE LOTS AND STILL TRYING TO FIT A, UM, RELATIVELY DECENT SIZE RESIDENTS ON THEIR SITE. 
          TO ME, I COULDN'T, I LOOKED AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS? I DON'T SEE ANY ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS QUITE A WHILE TO TRY TO MAKE IT FIT. 
          AND I SHOULD SAY THAT THE SAME THING WITH THAT 31 VERSUS OUR, OUR NUMBER OF LOTS, LIKE THOSE STREETS WERE, WERE ORIGINALLY COMING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT AFFECTED THE, THE, THE NUMBER THEY COULD ORIGINALLY FIT. 
          AND THAT HAPPENED, LIKE THOSE STREETS ARE NOT THERE. 
          THAT THAT WAS CHANGED LONG BEFORE WE PURCHASED THIS LAND. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE A SIMILAR DESIGN IT'S GOT THAT, THAT ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE AND A STREET AROUND IT, THE HOUSES THAT ARE BORDERING, UM, HAVE THE LARGER LOTS. 
          AND WE TRIED TO PLAY WITH THE DESIGN TO, TO MAKE IT FIT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL. 
          IF WE MAKE THE LOTS ALL LONGER, YOU JUST LOSE THE ABILITY. 
          IT'S ONLY 14 ACRES. 
          WE CAN ONLY DO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, SO IT CERTAINLY HAD AN EFFECT ON THE DESIGN, WHETHER WE COULD HAVE SIDEWALKS OR NOT, AND STILL FIT THINGS. 
          NOW, THE, UM, SLIDES THAT SCOTT HAS UP NOW SHOWS WHAT APPEARS TO BE YOUR, YOUR GREEN SPACE THERE WITH ACCESS COMING IN FROM THE, THE ROAD INTO THE GREEN SPACE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OR QUESTION FOR SCOTT, THE RETENTION BASIN, UM, WAS THAT SIZED I'M ASSUMING BASED ON THE INCREASED, UM, UM, PERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT 
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YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE DRIVES AND THE, AND THESE, UM, BUILDINGS THEMSELVES THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, THE, THE STREETS, THE CURBS, THE HOUSES, THE DRIVEWAYS, AND, UH, PATIOS. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL TAKEN TO ACCOUNT IN THE DESIGN OF THE SIZE OF THAT DETENTION AREA TO HANDLE ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS FROM THIS PROJECT. 
          GOD. 
          AND THE BONUS TO THAT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE, THE CURRENT RUNOFF THAT'S MESSING UP THESE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT CALCULATION. 
          AND THEN WE ACTUALLY ADDED AN EXTRA LOT. 
          THAT WAS, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE ONE MORE LOT JUST TO BE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S BIG ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, OH, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY, MAYOR. 
          I DON'T MEAN TO BE GREAT AS MUCH TIME. 
          SCOTT, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE BENT TREE DEVELOPMENT ON BRAND PIE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CONDOMINIUM, TOWNHOME, CONDOMINIUM KIND OF THING. 
          THAT WAS MY FIRST IMPRESSION WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, ALTHOUGH THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MORE UPSCALE THAN, UH, WHAT VENTURI IS, UH, OVER TIME. 
          THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH BENT TREE AND, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BACK THERE WITH THE, WITH THE OWNER DEVELOPER. 
          AND I THINK THE CITY HAS WORKED THOSE OUT SUCCESSFULLY. 
          SO I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL THAT AS LONG AS SATISFACTORY LANGUAGE CAN BE DRAFTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE, UM, BUFFERING, UM, AND EVEN DOWN TO THE RETENTION BASIN, UM, AND THE GREEN SPACE. 
          I, I, I CAN, I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT, BUT I DO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE DRAFTED THAT ASSURES THE CITY AND THE, UM, ABIDING RESIDENCES THAT WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. 
          UM, MR. KAYLOR, WHAT IS THE, UM, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS ISN'T, THIS IS MORE DETAILED PLAN OR, OR LATER, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN RENTAL PRICES ON THESE PROPERTIES? WHAT ARE PEOPLE GONNA BE PAYING TO RENT ONE OF THESE? UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1700 TO 1900 ISH, BUT THIS NUMBER MIGHT BE CHANGED DEPENDING ON THE MARKET. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TARGETING THAT PRICE RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST SUCH A DIFFERENT PLAN, RIGHT? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HOUSES ON PROPERTY THAT WE'RE BUILDING, UM, FOR RENTALS RATHER THAN THE MOST TIMES WE THINK ABOUT RENTALS. 
          WE DO THINK ABOUT, UH, IF PEOPLES, WHEN PEOPLE BUILD OR DEVELOPERS BUILD WITH THE INTENT TO RENT, IT IS MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF AN APARTMENT STYLE, CONDO, TOWNHOME STYLE, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WE'RE BUILDING HOMES TO RENT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT, UH, COMMENTARY, NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE COMMENTARY FROM OUR RESIDENTS ALL OVER TOWN, ALMOST ALL THE TIME, PEOPLE JUST HAVE CONCERNS. 
          WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL HOMES IN HUBER HEIGHTS, AND IT HAS BEEN A GOAL AND DESIRE FOR US TO, UM, NOT MOVE AWAY FROM RENTAL PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY A MARKET FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED RENTALS. 
          BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LOOKING AT HOMES, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO OWN THEIR HOME. 
          UM, AND CAUSE I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY PROBABLY POACHING ON 23, 25% OF THE HOMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN HEBER HEIGHTS ARE OUR RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE RENTAL HOMES ALREADY, NOT JUST APARTMENTS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMES JUST BASED ON THE TRANSACTIONS. 
          THAT'S TAKEN PLACE WITH FEWER HOMES AND, UH, AND THE TRANSACTION, THE SALE OF THOSE. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL HOMES IN HUBER HEIGHTS ALREADY. 
          AND I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, NOT INCREASE THAT BY, BY A TON, BUT UNDERSTAND THERE IS A MARKET FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT WE HAVE, THERE ARE LOTS OF APARTMENTS FOR RENT HERE TOO. 
          SO WHEN I THINK LONGTERM, I THINK I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO MAY BE EITHER WATCHING THIS, OR WE THINK ABOUT THIS LIKE A LONG-TERM PLAN. 
          THESE THINGS MAY LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE. 
          AND THE UPKEEP ON THE HOUSES ARE REALLY NICE WHILE YOU OWN THEM IN THE SHORT TERM. 
          WELL, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU MAY DECIDE TO SELL THESE AT SOME KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS HERE. 
          YOU'D MAY DECIDE TO SELL THESE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, ONCE THEY GET BUILT OUT AND THEN THE NEXT OWNER THAT YOU SELL THEM TO MIGHT NOT, UM, MIGHT NOT SEE THE, UH, THE VALUE IN KEEPING THEM AS NICE AS WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO JUST ENVISION WHAT THIS MAY LOOK LIKE. 
          LONG-TERM NOT JUST FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, BUT 
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10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, SPEAKING ON, ON MR. CAMPBELL'S BEHALF ABOUT THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND KNOWING THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY IS PROTECTED THAT THIS CORNER, UH, DOESN'T TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE LONG TERM. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS IS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN FOR THE CITY AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, IN PLANNING FOR THE CITY, WE DON'T JUST PIECE MEAL. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, A WORD, A TERM THAT'S BEEN USED A LOT BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST PIECE MEAL PROJECTS TOGETHER AND PLUG THEM IN JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AVAILABLE THAT WE THINK ABOUT LONG-TERM PLANNING, UM, HOW IT FITS IN WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE GOAL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY, HOW ALL THAT TIES IN. 
          AND, UM, SO I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH MRS. BERTRAND A LITTLE BIT THAT I'M, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT I, THAT I SEE THAT VISION HERE, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF LEAVE, LEAVE THOSE COMMENTS, I'LL LEAVE THOSE COMMENTS THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD MY CONCERN. 
          CAN WE RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? UH, YES. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY REAL QUICK HERE THAT I THINK THE, THE QUALITY OF THE HOME IS REALLY OUR BIGGEST ANSWER TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          LIKE WE OWN RENTALS. 
          WE GOT STARTED DOING RENTALS IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND WE STILL OWN THEM ALL BY THE WAY. 
          WE'RE DEFINITELY IN THIS FOR THE LONG HAUL. 
          WE'RE NOT SELLING THEM IN FIVE YEARS, BUT, UM, THERE THERE'S A DIFFERENT BLOCK OF THE CITY. 
          LIKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BREAK RANCHES FROM 1950 ARE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE RENTALS ARE LIKE, THIS IS A DIFFERENT QUALITY PRODUCT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AND THEY'RE AS NICE OR NICER THAN A LOT OF THE NEW HOMES. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY. 
          SOMETHING. 
          IT WAS ABOUT NINE FOOT CEILING AND, UH, IT'S LATE OUT IS SIMILAR WITH LIKE APPLE ACCOUNT. 
          WE DID A LOT OF WORK FOR LOOKING FOR WHAT SAYS RENTAL POVERTY WILL BE EARLIER. 
          WHAT WE SAW ABOUT THE BUILDING, LIKE A FOIL IN MULTI-FAMILIES. 
          AND THEN AFTER PANDEMIC, WE WERE THINKING BUILDING EACH SINGLE FEMINIST FOR, I THINK PEOPLE WILL LIKE THIS BETTER AND MORE PRIVACY AND MORE FOR PEOPLE LIVING MORE COMFORTABLY. 
          AND, UH, ALSO THIS IS SITE YARD, GIVING THEM MORE, EVEN MORE PRIVACY FOR PEOPLE WHO LEAVES IN THERE AND WE ARE TARGETING TO, OH, WE OPEN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE DO TARGETING TO OLDER PEOPLE LIKE A BABY BOOMER AND THE MAMAMIA. 
          THEY ARE LIKE RENTAL PROPERTIES. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS GOING UP BY PEOPLE MORE LIKES TO RENTAL PROPERTIES. 
          MILLENNIALS NOT LOVE THE RENTAL PROPERTIES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED, NOBODY GOING TO RUN OUR PROPERTIES, BUT WE CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE LIKING IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S OUR TARGETING MARKET FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          YES. 
          TRYING TO JUST RESPOND TO WHAT WE SEE THAT THE CHANGING NEEDS OF PEOPLE LIKE A LOT TO DO WITH THE PANDEMIC AND THE WAY THE REAL ESTATE MARKET'S CHANGING. 
          IT'S NOT JUST US TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS THIS, THIS MODEL HERE, MS. BURCH. 
          UH, YEAH, I SEE OTHER HANDS UP AND THEY BEFORE ME, UM, WELL, OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIDDLE OF SAYS AND TWO OTHERS, SO I DON'T, SO WHO, WHO, WHO ELSE HAS SOMETHING MARK'S HANDS UP? YES. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          MY HAND IS UP. 
          YES. 
          OKAY MATTER. 
          UH, MR. KAYLOR, YES, MARK CAMPBELL DID GOOD EVENING IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREETS. 
          AND WE'LL WAIT FOR STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT. 
          BUT ONE COMMENT, I WOULD MAKE THAT IF THEY ARE PRIVATE STREETS AND I THINK THERE'S SOME ADVANTAGES TO THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE THEM PUBLIC, THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT WE'LL WAIT FOR STAFF TO COME BACK. 
          IF IN FACT THEY WERE DEDICATED TO THE CITY THAT WOULD ELIMINATE COST TO YOU IN REGARD TO MAINTAINING THE STREETS, UH, SALT, SNOW REMOVAL, MAINTENANCE, POTHOLES, CRACKS. 
          AND IF, IF YOU WOULD AMORTIZE THAT OUT, DO A SCHEDULING AND AMORTIZE THAT OUT. 
          I'M WONDERING 
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IF THAT MONEY COULD BE APPROPRIATED ELSEWHERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OR SOME OF THE STREETS. 
          AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT. 
          I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO MAYBE WHILE STAFF DOES THEIR HOMEWORK ON THE ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES OF PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, THEY COULD WORK WITH YOU IN THAT REGARD AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I LIKE YOUR IDEA. 
          IT WOULD ONE SIDE BE ADEQUATE FOR THE S THE, THE, UH, THE PUBLIC STREETS FOR SIDEWALKS. 
          YES. 
          IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROVIDE SIDEWALKS INTERNALLY IN IT, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN NO SIDEWALK. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT IN THE BILL, BUT IF YOU WOULD WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, LOOKED AT THOROUGHLY BEFORE YOU WOULD MAKE A COMMITMENT, ALSO, I UNDERSTAND TONIGHT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE THE PLAN PHASE, THE PROJECT IN, CORRECT. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALL THE STRUCTURES AT ONCE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DO, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH THE CITY THAT COULD BE RECORDED AS WELL ON THAT PLAN TO PHASE, LIKE IN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, WHAT IS YOUR SCHEDULE TO PHASE THIS PROJECT IN? SO THE CITY COULD BE ENSURED THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED. 
          SO IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DETAILED PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO W WE WERE DEFINITELY A PUT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THINKING ABOUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PLACE AT A HIGHER PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY, AT SOME PHASE, IN OUR PLANNING PROCESS, WE KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS ON THE BUILD-OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THAT IN THE DETAILED PLAN. 
          AND IF I COULD JUST COMMENT ON ONE OTHER THING YOU SAID EARLIER, THE, THE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE, LIKE W AS WE MENTIONED, WE WE'VE BEEN A PLANNING COMMISSION THREE TIMES NOW. 
          LIKE WE, WE WOULD JUST TALKING HERE, WE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO PUT THEM ON ONE SIDE IN, IN THE DETAILED PLAN. 
          AND WE COULD MAYBE MODIFY THIS CURRENT SUBMISSION, LIKE JUST TEXTUALLY TO SAY THAT THAT THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD BE ON THE HOOK TO ADD, TO, TO TWEAK THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT, TO FIT IT IN. 
          UM, CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GATHERING THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. 
          AND I THINK ONE SIDE WE COULD FIT IT IN WITHOUT REALLY HURTING THE LAYOUT THAT WE REALLY LIKE HERE THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          SO, SO IF I COULD TAKE THAT ANSWER AND NOW ASK SCOTT, SCOTT, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT IN HUBER HEIGHTS WITH SIDEWALKS ON ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WOULD IT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DO HAVE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WITH SIDEWALKS ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          YES. 
          WOULD THERE BE ANY IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS PROJECT? UM, I, I HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON EXACTLY WHERE, BUT I KNOW THAT PART OF ARTISAN WALK, UM, HAS SOME AREAS THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SIDEWALKS ON IN FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          SO, SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE ENCOMPASSED IN THIS WORK THAT YOU'LL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANKS MR. KAYLOR. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          WE'LL GO TO, UM, MR. LYONS AND THEN MRS. BERGE, AND THEN BACK TO MR. MATT MISALIGNED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, MR. KAYLOR, UH, MS. WANG, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND WANTING TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AS A PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS, UH, MAN AND WOMAN, UH, IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE SOMEONE WANTING TO COME IN AND INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY, APPROXIMATELY HOW, AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WAY ON MY PARTICULAR DECISION, BUT JUST A POINT OF INTEREST ABOUT HOW MUCH WOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, BE AS FAR AS YOUR INVESTMENT, YOU MEAN LIKE DOLLAR VALUE. 
          YEAH. 
          APPROXIMATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT 
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IMPORTANT ENOUGH. 
          I'M SURE FINANCING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING FINE. 
          I WAS IMPRESSED THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT YOUR BUILDERS AND ARE LOOKING AT GETTING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY ENTREPRENEURIAL PRENEURIAL, UM, UH, APPROACH THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WANTING TO, UH, DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO PAIR IT JUST REAL QUICK ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH ABOUT THAT BY, UM, AS A TEACHER HAVING A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS AND THE KIDS THAT ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE THERE AND WALKING TOWARDS THE BUS STOP. 
          UM, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT DEFINITELY NEED TO BE SIDEWALKS, WHETHER THEY'RE ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR BOTH SIDES. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A COMPROMISE, UM, WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, SCOTT, THESE LOTS, UH, THERE'S 46 PROPOSED, UH, DO I UNDERSTAND RIGHT? THAT, UH, THEY'RE MORE TOWARDS SITE, UH, TURN SIDEWAYS AND BASICALLY TRYING TO GET A FEW MORE LOTS IN, UH, THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE MAJOR CHANGE. 
          WELL, THE REASON FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE IS WHAT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW AS A CHURCH, NOT ANY RESIDUE THAT WILL BE ZERO RESIDENTIAL LOTS RIGHT NOW, BUT IN COMPARISON TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, PREVIOUS APPROVAL BEFORE THE CHURCH, UM, THESE LOTS, IT'S THE SAME DISTANCE IN BETWEEN HOMES. 
          SO BASICALLY ABOUT 20 FEET IN BETWEEN HOMES, IT'S JUST, THESE HOMES ARE LESS WIDE BUT DEEPER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          UM, I ALSO, UH, IN PERTAINING TO THAT, I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL TO, UH, MRS. BURCH MENTIONED, I HAD A MRS. CINDY SMITH, UM, ASK, UH, SOME VERY, UH, PROBING QUESTIONS BY A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND I'M TRYING NOT TO BE REDUNDANT. 
          UH, BUT ONE OF HER COMMENTS, UM, SHE HAD QUOTED, UH, CITY ORDINANCE TWO ZERO ZERO THREE DASH OH DASH ONE FOUR ZERO FIVE. 
          IT'S THE SECTION ONE ITEM 13 STATES, THE FOLLOWING MINIMUMS, A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT THE DEPTH OF 142 FEET FRONTAGE SETBACK OF 85 FEET. 
          UM, THEN 25 FEET, UH, FRONT 40 FOOT REAR SIDE YARD, 10 FEET, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GETTING, UH, 15 IN BETWEEN. 
          UM, AND SHE STATED THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE WRITTEN FOR THE ENTIRE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WANTED THOSE SUPPLIED HERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT WAS HER OVERARCHING POINT THAT WHEN YOU TURN THE HOUSES SIDEWAYS AND MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER HOUSES, THEY SHOULD BE ON BIGGER LOTS. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW THE DEVELOPER IN ANY, DEVELOPER'S GOING TO TRY TO, UH, PUT MORE LOTS INTO DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD, UH, GENERATE MORE REVENUES. 
          SO THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THAT IS UNDERSTOOD, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT BE SACRIFICING MORE WITH PUTTING IN A 46 LOTS. 
          UH, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE BIT TOO MANY IN THAT REGARDS, BUT, UM, SHE GOES ON TO ASK ABOUT, UH, WHAT SHE CONSIDERS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MINOR ISSUES. 
          SO SCOTT, THIS MIGHT BE TAKEN IN THE, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, BUT MAIL DELIVERY. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE CENTRALIZED? IS THAT IN A, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANNERS WOULD BE HOUSE TO HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, ALL NEW SUBDIVISIONS ACROSS THE STATE NOW, UM, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE PODS. 
          UH, SO THERE'S, UH, ANY NEW SUBDIVISION. 
          WE'VE SEEN THIS IN ALL OF THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE NOW, ONCE THE, WELL, I CALL THEM LIKE THE LITTLE KIOSKS THEY'RE PODS THAT PLACE LIKE, AS YOU ENTER INTO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AND NOT AT THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT LOCATION WILL BE PLACED IN THE, UH, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AND THEN WHETHER THEY COME WITH PARKING SPACES OR NOT WAS HER QUESTION TOO. 
          AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, A TRASH COLLECTION. 
          WILL THERE ALSO BE A CENTRAL POINT OR WILL IT BE INDIVIDUAL HOMES AS THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, THEY WILL FOLLOW OUR, UH, TRASH CONTRACT THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S JUST STANDARD AND, UH, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO GO. 
          UM, SHE DID HAVE ONE INTERESTING, UH, REQUEST THAT I DID NOT HAVE NOT HEARD BEFORE. 
          UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE OAKS AND HAVING THE, UH, FOLIAGE AND THE TREES A MORE MATURE DENSE, AND YOU COULD BARELY SEE 
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IT. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO REQUEST THAT THE TREES AND SHRUBS AND THE BARRIERS, UH, AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT BE BUILT FIRST, SO THAT IF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS THREE YEARS OUT, LET'S SAY, UH, THEN THOSE TREES HAVE THREE YEARS TO MATURE. 
          I KNOW, UM, DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS LIKE TO DO THAT LAST BECAUSE THEY DON'T TEAR UP THE GRASS AS OFTEN. 
          THEY DON'T KNOCK DOWN ANY TREES. 
          IS THAT AN OPTION? DOES THAT GO IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR IS THAT NOT A REASONABLE, UH, THAT THAT'S A, A DEFINITE REASONABLE REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, I KNOW THIS ONE, UM, SHE PUT IN THE MOWING OF THE GRASS. 
          SO IF THERE'S A, THREE-YEAR BUILD OUT, PART OF IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT DEVELOPED UNTIL YEAR THREE AND THERE'S GRASS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ON THE INDIVIDUAL HOME, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, SO WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THEM. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK, UM, OTHER THAN THE STANDARD CITY TO ASK THEM TO MOW THEIR GRASS OTHER THAN WHAT IT IS, UH, IS PRETTY MUCH, UM, NOW THE ONE QUESTION, UH, THAT DID COME UP AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DID REQUEST A FENCE TO BE PUT AROUND WITH SLATS TREATED. 
          AND I KNOW MR. KOHLER HAD MENTIONED POSSIBLY PUT IN A FENCE BEFORE, BUT I THINK THAT WAS A EITHER OR WITH THE BARRIER, UM, WITH THE FENCE. 
          WHY WAS THE FENCE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FINAL DECISION BEFORE IT VOTED, SEND IT TO US? THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND A PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE DECISION RECORD. 
          AND IT DID NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL FENCING. 
          THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT FENCING, BUT THEY DID NOT REQUEST FOR IT TO BE ADDED TO THE DECISION RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND I THINK THE FENCING WAS REQUESTED BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP, UM, THE PEOPLE FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM GOING INTO THE BACKYARDS. 
          AND IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL BARRIER, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE SCREENING OF THE TREES. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WANTED TO ASK THAT. 
          UM, UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SINCE YOUR FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I, WELL, ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT I STARTED WORKING ON AND, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, MR. COLE KAYLOR AND MS. WANG, UM, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH YOU AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WORKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, MAYOR, THE LAST THING I HAVE IS THAT, UH, DEBBIE MCNEILLY'S PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR THE OAKS AND SHE DID, UH, GET TO SPEAK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, BUT, UM, UH, MR. KOHLER IN MS. WANG IS HERE AND SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE PART OF THIS MEETING, BUT SHE WAS, UH, HAS TOLD ME THAT SHE DOES PLAN ON BEING AT THE, UM, NEXT MEETING, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS FOR THE HEARING. 
          UH, SO SHE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT OVERALL THAT'S IT, UH, HOPEFULLY I WASN'T TOO REDUNDANT. 
          I DO APPRECIATE AND DID PICK UP QUITE A BIT FROM THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THEIR COMMENTS. 
          SO THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LYONS, MS. BURCH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SET A COUPLE THINGS BACK TO WHAT MR. CAMPBELL I ASK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE PLAN, UM, IS IF THEY PUT SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT, WHAT MAKES IT ENFORCEABLE IT, WHEN IT CAN BE DONE IS, UH, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND THROUGH RECORDING, IT'S A DOCUMENT. 
          IT CAN BE A DOCUMENT THAT LIKE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, UM, IT CAN RECORDED THROUGH, UM, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY, LIKE SOME OTHER, UH, SUBDIVISIONS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND THROUGH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, UM, SPECIFIC ITEMS CAN BE PLACED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE IF, UH, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, UM, THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN AVENUE WHERE THE CITY COULD LEGALLY STEP IN AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A PROP PROPERTY TO, TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS UP. 
          UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. KAYLOR OR KIND OF A QUESTION, UH, GOING BACK TO, UM, MAYOR GORE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF RENTALS IN THIS, UH, IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I, I, I SEND STATE A LITTLE BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION THAT 
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I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR WAS REFERRING TO THE LITTLE BRICK HOUSES THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE, BECAUSE YOU CAN GO ABOUT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. 
          AND ONE GOOD EXAMPLE IS ALONG A CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WHERE A LOT OF, UH, HOMES THAT ARE MAYBE 25 YEARS OLD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY A RENTAL AGENCY AND RENTERS HAVE ABSOLUTELY BEAT UP A LOT OF THEM. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE OLD BRICK HOMES. 
          UH, IT'S ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY ON HOMES THAT WERE, WERE VERY, VERY NICE. 
          AND ON THE OUTSIDE, THE, A LOT OF THEM STILL LOOK VERY NICE, BUT ON THE INSIDE, UH, RENTERS, JUST TO PLAY, DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEM. 
          UM, IS, IS THERE SOME REASON THAT YOU CHOSE TO DO RENTALS INSTEAD OF OWNER, UH, HOME, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS SHIP? WELL, YES. 
          AND LET ME JUST RESPOND REAL QUICK. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK IT'S THE SAME WAY EVERYWHERE. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THIS HAPPENED AFTER THE HOUSING COLLAPSE, THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF GOT INTO IT. 
          WE BOUGHT HOUSES THAT WERE COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND SMELLING LIKE DOG PEE AND MOST OF THEM IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND WE FLIPPED THEM AND THEY'RE MUCH BETTER OFF NOW, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF JUMPED INTO RENTER RENTAL MARKET WHEN THERE WAS FORECLOSURES. 
          AND THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME BAD ACTORS WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT OUR RENTAL HOUSES CERTAINLY AREN'T AMONG THOSE ONES THAT ARE TRASHED IT, AS YOU SAID. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I'VE BEEN DOING RENTALS FOR QUITE A WHILE AND WE KIND OF ARE RESPONDING TO THE TIMES, LIKE DJING SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UH, GENERATIONS LIKE THE MILLENNIALS AND BABY BOOMERS, OUR RESEARCH IS SHOWING THAT THEY PREFER TO RENT OVER BUYING AND THE RESPONSE TO COVID LIKE, THERE'S HOW HOUSING BOOM RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDWEST. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO RENT NOW AND PREFER TO RENT. 
          SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE DECIDED TO DO IT THAT WAY. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY ONES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALSO THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO AIR FORCE SPACE. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'RE LIKE EXCHANGING PEOPLE WANT TO JUST COME OVER AND LIVE HERE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT STATION. 
          AND THE, WHAT WE FIND IS CONFINED THE MONEY PROPERTY LIKE OURS, NICE RENTAL, NICE WINDOWS, BECAUSE WE DO RECEIVE WE'LL WAIT, MANAGING OUR HUBER HEIGHTS PROPERTIES. 
          LIKE THOSE 1960S PROPERTIES, PEOPLE COME TO OUR PROPERTY SAID, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A BETTER HOUSE, LIKE A HIGHER CEILING AND A BIGGER LOT BIGGER PROPERTY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE GET LOTS OF REQUESTS FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO JUST COME HERE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS. 
          SO WE WERE ACTUALLY ALSO TARGETING THAT MARKET. 
          I THINK PEOPLE WILL LIKE THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE PUT A LOT OF SALTS INTO THIS DESIGN BECAUSE THIS IS THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE ALSO OPENED UP A DOOR ON THE UTILITY ROOM BECAUSE WE FIND OUT TENANT DON'T REALLY CHANGE THEIR FILTER EVERY BOX. 
          AND WE WILL ACTUALLY, AS A LANDLORD, AS A POVERTY MANAGEMENT, WE WILL CHANGE THE FILTER ONCE A MONTH FOR THE TENANTS BECAUSE WE DO CARE OUR PROPERTY. 
          WE DO CARE OUR FURNACE. 
          WE CARE ABOUT OUR ROOF ACTUALLY. 
          SO I DON'T SEE WHY. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE WHY WE MAKE THIS TO TRASH. 
          IF THIS PROPERTY GOES TO TRASH, THIS IS LATE. 
          NOBODY MOWED THE YARD. 
          I DON'T THINK I DO NOT THINK TENANT WILL WILLING TO LEAVE THERE. 
          THEY WILL COME PLAN IT. 
          THAT WAS NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE KIND OF TENANT WE'RE NOT GETTING. 
          WE WANT, WE'RE NOT GOOD PENS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY WHO THINKS WE TRASH THE PLACE WHERE IT IS NOT GOING TO RENT TO THAT KIND OF PERSON, BUT IT WILL TAKE CARE OF OUR TENANTS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THEM. 
          WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE YEAH. 
          WE'RE STILL AT PATCH HEIGHTS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. WEBB. 
          UH, MARY, I SEE ROB HAS HIS HAND UP, UM, PERFORMING. 
          DO YOU WANT TO GET HIM FIRST? HE MIGHT HAVE HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          ROB, DID YOU WANT TO INTERJECT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO YOU? SURE. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT A LAYERING IN WHAT I WOULD PERCEIVE IS SOME REDUNDANCY OR DUPLICATION OF EXISTING THINGS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, RE RECALL THAT THE, THE CITY AND COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UM, IN ENHANCING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, BOTH ENFORCEMENT AND VIOLATION PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY 
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ON ALL PROPERTIES, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD ANY PROPERTY WOULD FALL UNDER THOSE SAME PARAMETERS. 
          UM, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A BERM, UH, IF IT'S OWNED BY AN HOA, IF IT'S MANAGED BY A PROPERTY MANAGER, IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL HOME. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, W WE ALREADY HAVE MANY, UM, PROCESSES AND PEOPLE DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THAT PROPERTIES MAINTAINED, UM, IS AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING AND CUTTING THE GRASS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DISREPAIR OR REPAIR OF, UH, PHYSICAL STRUCTURES. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULDN'T BE ISOLATED OR SEPARATE FROM THOSE ALREADY EXISTING ORDINANCES AND PRACTICES TO KEEP THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, ACTIVITIES AT A HIGH LEVEL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THIS WOULD FALL STRAIGHT WITHIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHIRMER, MR. WEBB. 
          THANK YOU, MERRILL. 
          UH, JUST A FEW MORE THINGS TO PUT MR.  ON THE SPOT AGAIN. 
          UH, SCOTT, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, SLIDE YOU HAVE UP NOW, WOULD I ASSUME THERE'S GOING TO BE NO ON STREET PARKING, UH, AS IT'S LAID OUT THE STREET, WIDTHS WILL BE THE STANDARD RESIDENTIAL 27 FOOT BACK TO BACK. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WOULD BECAUSE OF FIRE CODE, UH, NEED TO BE SIGNED AS NO PARKING, UH, AROUND SOME OF THOSE, UH, THE RADIUS THERE AT THE TOP. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THOSE TURNS, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NO PARKING ON THE STREETS THAT THAT CAN BE AN OPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, UH, MY NEXT QUESTION DEALS WITH THE, UM, TOPIC THAT COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL BROUGHT UP IN THAT IS, UH, PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE ON THE, UM, UH, STREETS HERE, THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? IS THERE AN OPTION HERE FOR OUR DEVELOPER PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE? SURE. 
          AND I'LL HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THEM AFTER THIS IS. 
          THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO, UH, LOOK AT, UH, SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, UH, THEY'LL LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS AND I'LL HELP GUIDE THEM ON, UH, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR, UM, WHAT THE CITY DOES FOR WHEN IT'S THE CITY'S TO MAINTAIN AND REPLACE IT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. 
          NOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I'LL WORK WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, HOW MUCH MODIFICATION WILL BE REQUIRED? WELL, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING PRIOR TO US APPROVING THIS, OR WHAT WERE YOU PRESENTED WITH SOMETHING WE CAN APPROVE AT COUNCIL MEETING? UM, I, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF, UM, CITY COUNCIL COULD AMEND THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IF THERE WAS TO BE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO PLACE ON THIS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, OR TO REMOVE ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SO TO GO FROM PRIVATE TO PUBLIC STREETS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE ORDINANCE AHEAD. 
          OKAY, SCOTT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM MR. LYONS. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          I HAD MY HAND UP, UM, WITH THAT PROCEDURE FROM, UH, COUNCILMAN WEBB. 
          UM, HOW TONY, HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED TO AMEND, UM, LEGISLATION FROM AN APPROVAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? IT WOULD BE SIX. 
          AND HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO PASS OR TO TURN DOWN? UH, IT WOULD JUST BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO, OKAY. 
          SO FIVE VOTES TO, UM, PASS OR TURN DOWN, BUT SIX VOTES TO AMEND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          HEY, MS. BAKER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AGAIN? YES, I DID. 
          YES. 
          I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I DO, I THINK THE DESIGN LOOKS NICE, BUT I THINK I NEED MORE DETAILS, UM, IN THE SUBDIVISION, WOULD THERE BE STOP SIGNS OR WOULD THERE NOT BE STOP SIGNS BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE STOP SIGNS FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT EXITING ON BELL FOUNTAIN OR FITCHBURG? WOULD YOU NEED STOPLIGHTS INSTALLED THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC HERE WOULD NOT WARRANT, UH, AN ACTUAL SIGNAL, UM, LOCATED AT EITHER OF THOSE ENTRANCES? UH, THERE'LL BE LESS TRAFFIC HERE THAN AT THE OTHER ENTRANCES TO THE OAKS SUBDIVISION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK FOR ME, I THINK HOW MUCH DO WE USUALLY MAKE BITTERS PUT ON ESCROW WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING OUT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A LONG-TERM PLAN? SO THE THERE'S THERE'S, IT'S IT'S TWOFOLD. 
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UM, SO THERE'S A, THE SUBDIVIDED AGREEMENT AND THE PUD AGREEMENT. 
          SO THE, UH, THE PUD AGREEMENT IS WHEN A, UH, DEVELOP A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES THROUGH AS PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT IS A BOND FOR THE LANDSCAPING ITSELF. 
          SO THOSE LANDSCAPING MOUNDS AND THE TREES, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THERE'S AN INITIAL BOND THAT'S PUT UP, UH, FOR ALL OF THAT WORK, UH, PRIOR TO THE START. 
          SO WITH THAT BOND, AFTER THEY INSTALL EVERYTHING WE INSPECT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S INSTALLED, THAT WAS APPROVED AND THAT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL LIVING. 
          UM, AND THEN A AFTER THAT, THE BOND GETS REDUCED TO WHAT'S A MAINTENANCE BOND AND THAT MAINTENANCE BOND IS IN PLACE FOR THREE GROWING SEASONS. 
          SO THAT, UH, THAT TAKES CARE OF PART OF TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE TREES TAKE HOLD, UM, AND, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          THE OTHER PART IS THE, UH, THAT WHEN THE, THE PLAT COMES THROUGH, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING, UM, THERE IS A BOND THAT GETS PUT IN PLACE FOR ANY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED WHEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          SO THAT COULD BE THE SANITARY SEWER COULD BE THE STREET WIDENING FOR A BELFAST AND FITCHBURG, UM, ANYTHING THAT IS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, THEY PUT UP A BOND FOR, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES GET COMPLETE AND THAT'S, AND THEN AFTER THAT IS AFTER THOSE ARE COMPLETE, UH, WE REDUCED THE BOND AMOUNTS, THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WATER LINE, THERE'S A 10% OF THAT COST THAT'S IN PLACE FOR A YEAR AFTERWARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, SO THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING AT YOGA AND SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, SCOTT, SOME WORK TO DO IN REGARD TO, UM, THE COST OF AMORTIZING OUT WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT A PUBLIC STREET VERSUS A PRIVATE STREET WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR THOSE. 
          SO, SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEPS? AND WE'VE JUST MOVED THIS TO ANOTHER, UM, UH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION. 
          DOES THIS NEED, NOT NECESSARILY GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UH, WHERE IT ALLOWS YOU GUYS TO DO MORE WORK, TO BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT, UH, COUNCIL ISN'T PREPARED TO VOTE ON, OR, UH, WE FIND OUT IF, IF COUNCIL HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO JUST MOVING THIS TO IS THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW MOVING THAT ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY WHERE IT'S SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHAT WOULD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BE AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CHANGE WOULD BE? WELL, IT IS ADVERTISED AND SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, UH, AND SCHEDULED FOR TWO READINGS AT COUNCIL. 
          SO IT'S, COUNCIL'S WISH OF THAT IS TO BE CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WHAT I WOULD ASK THEN IS, ARE THERE OBJECTIONS TO THIS PLAN THE WAY IT IS, UH, TO MOVING THIS TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON MONDAY THE SHORELINES, UH, YES. 
          MAYOR, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD, UH, OBJECT JUST ON THE GROUNDS THAT, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, IN SOME CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, OR AT LEAST GET BACK INTO MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE, UH, PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN, UH, LOCK US INTO A VOTE. 
          I DON'T THINK, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, WOULD BE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, UH, THAT MUCH OF A DETRIMENT MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO, UH, HOLD THE HEARING. 
          UH, IF, YOU KNOW, AT THE LATER THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING AND MOVE FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT ANY DELAY WOULD CAUSE THEM ANY HEADACHES. 
          WELL, WE REALLY WOULD NOT LIKE TO DELAY AND, AND TO KIND OF SHOW LIKE WHAT WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          WHAT I THINK IS THE MAIN CONCERN IS MEANING WE DON'T NEED TO SEE A COST STUDY ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          WE CAN COME AT THAT, THAT FOR, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT AS A ONE SIDE SIDEWALK AND PUBLIC CAUSE THAT DEFINITELY SOUNDS FROM A FEW PEOPLE TO BE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND YEAH, WE COULD COMMIT TO THAT AND WE COULD FLUSH IT OUT IN, IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO JUST COMMIT TO IT AND GET GOING. 
          CAUSE WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TO THREE MEETINGS ALREADY, SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT MOVING AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING, A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR HOUSING IN THIS AREA 
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RIGHT NOW, AND WE WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          IT WAS VIRTUAL. 
          YES. 
          UH, WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE LANGUAGE INTO THE LEGISLATION NOW? OR WOULD IT BE WHEN THEY, AFTER THEY DO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE CAN BE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT WE'LL, WE'LL SAY TIES THEM TO A DOCUMENT, UM, THAT EVEN IF EVERY LITTLE BIT OF IT IS NOT FINALIZED, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT WORDING ON THERE. 
          THERE CAN BE SOMETHING PLACED IN THE ORDINANCE FOR MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT REGARDING THE MAINTENANCE, WHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ALREADY EXISTING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCES AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF EVERY PROPERTY OWNER CITY WOULD BE DESIRED TO BE PLACED WITHIN ANY SPECIAL AGREEMENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE EXISTING ORDINANCES FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UH, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO KNOW OTHERWISE, WHAT REALLY DOCUMENT ARE WE CREATING JUST TO CREATE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE DOCUMENT? ARE WE JUST SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROMISE TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING LAWS AND ORDINANCES? UM, I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT AND SCOTT, IF I'M WRONG, IF YOU KNOW OF SOMETHING THAT EXISTS ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR EXISTING, UH, AND, AND OR JERRY, IF HE'S, IF HE'S ON, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEING ASKED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY, AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PRIVATE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WILL DO THEIR OWN STREET CLEANING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO IF THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO THAT, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY WOULD STEP IN AUTOMATICALLY AND, AND START CLEANING THE STREETS AND, AND, UM, AND SHARING PROPERTY WAS MODE. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          YES, MOST OF OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE LAWS DO APPLY TO PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE ABATEMENT PROCESS, THERE'S ALSO ASSIGNED A PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T CUT THE GRASS, WE MADE IT. 
          IF SOMEBODY HAS DISREPAIR OF JUNK, WE MADE IT, UM, AND SHY OF THE SHY OF THE STREETS. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF PUBLIC DEDICATED STREETS IN EXCHANGE FOR, UH, INCLUSION OF SIDEWALKS, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT DIALOGUE. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEGALLY ARE PUTTING IN DOCUMENTS THAT ARE MATCHING THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL AND ALSO NOT SUPERSEDING OUR EXISTING ORDINANCES OR PLACING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEN BY MONDAY, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHETHER THEY WILL MAYBE PUBLIC STREETS WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE THERE. 
          WE'LL KNOW THAT THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE STREETS AND THE CURBS, AND THOSE WOULD FALL ALONG ANY OTHER STANDARD PRACTICES OF A DEVELOPER INSTALLING A RESIDENTIAL STREET, UH, THAT, WHICH WE HAVE ORDINANCES AND ENGINEERING STANDARDS TO COMPLY WITH. 
          AND AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD BE READY FOR MONDAY, I AM TRYING TO GATHER THE INFORMATION, UM, TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. 
          AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT DEDICATED STREETS, THAT WOULD BE A NOTATION WITHIN, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WE CHANGED FROM PRIVATE TO WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM IN THE FUTURE DEDICATED. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE DEDICATED AT FIRST OF COURSE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT PROCESS. 
          SURE. 
          NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH MORE TIME. 
          ODDLY ENOUGH, I AGREE. 
          100% WITH OUR CITY MANAGER ON THAT POINT, UM, OUR EXISTING MAINTENANCE CODES DO COVER ALMOST ALL THE AREAS WE TALKED ABOUT, INCLUDING MOWING OF THE BUFFER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOR MR. ROGERS, AND THAT WOULD BE TONY. 
          IF WE PASS US THROUGH THIS MONDAY'S MEETING WILL BE THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING TIME. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND LAST COUNCIL CHOSE 
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TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING ON THE ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF WE DO NOT, AND, UH, WE, AS IN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE, UM, HEAR TESTIMONY, UM, RESIDENTIAL THEN AGAIN FROM THE DEVELOPER. 
          AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, SHOULD THERE BE ANY CHANGES? HOW DO THOSE CHANGES IMPACT OUR DECISION, UM, AT THE FINAL READING? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, YOU COULD EMIT IT AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADOPTION, UM, THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE TO DO AN ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE TWO READINGS. 
          UH, IF IT WAS TO BE, HAVE THE FIRST READING ON MONDAY, THEN THE SECOND READING WOULD BE ON, UH, JANUARY THE 25TH. 
          AND THEN IF IT'S ADOPTED AS A NON-EMERGENCY MEASURE, THEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL 30 DAYS AFTER ADOPTION, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, 30 DAYS FROM JANUARY 25TH. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, SO CORRECT THAT THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THERE WOULD BE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT JUST ONE PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH COULD BE MONDAY AS IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED OR SOME OTHER TIME. 
          UH, BUT THERE WOULD BE TWO READINGS OF THE LEGISLATION AT TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS, UNLESS THE SECOND READING IS WAY BY COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL COULD HAVE AS MANY READINGS AS THEY REALLY CHOOSE TO HAVE, UM, BUT REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OR THE SECOND READING. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WHAT I SEE ON MY SCREEN IS, UH, MR. SCHOMER AND TWO OTHERS. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE HAS THEIR HAND RAISED. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. RADO AND THEN WE'LL GET TO MR. SHU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL BE EXTREMELY BRIEF. 
          SO, UH, THIS TO ROB, UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CONCERNING MAINTENANCES, THIS WOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          LET'S SAY MYSELF, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THEY HAVE MORE BUILDINGS ON THEIR PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT. 
          OR ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, SAY PARKVIEW APARTMENTS OR SETTING IN, IN, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION WAS, ARE WE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC OUTSIDE, ABOVE, AND BEYOND WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE REQUIRED? UM, OTHER THAN JUST SOME GUARANTEE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE TO FULFILL AND KEEP ALL OF THOSE EXISTING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS UP. 
          SO, UM, THAT, THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION, JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO ADD. 
          NO, I, YES. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RON. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          MR. SCHIRMER, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH. 
          W ONE OF THE THINGS JUST FOR PROCESS, UH, MR. MCDONALD, ANDREW SCOTT, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING BASED ON WHAT THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD IS, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED AT THE SECOND READING SO THAT ANY AMENDED CHANGES CAN FIRST BE PUBLISHED AND THEN ANNOUNCED TO BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THAT PUBLIC HEARING? OR CAN THE CHANGES BE MADE IF WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, SHOULD THOSE CHANGES BE MADE AND THEN ALLOW THOSE CHANGES TO BE PUBLISHED AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING? IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLLOW ME, AYE. 
          AYE, AYE, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          I FOLLOW YOU. 
          UM, I THINK THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, CAN BE ALL INCLUSIVE THAT WE HAVE IT AS SCHEDULED AND THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ANYTHING THAT, UH, COULD BE BROUGHT UP IN ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES CAN BE DONE BEFORE THE FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. 
          UM, BUT TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION AND CAN HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC STREETS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, AND, UM, UH, I'LL PIGGYBACK WHILE I'M, I'VE GOT THE FLOOR A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE WASN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT LANGUAGE, ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU CUT YOUR GRASS, UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. 
          SO, UM, AS MR SCHIRMER SAID THAT THIS WILL BE TREATED AS IF ONE LOT ITSELF HAS SOME KIND OF VIOLATION, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT INDIVIDUALLY PER LOT, AND IT'S BASED ON THE PROPERTY OWNER ITSELF. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS THE, UH, UM, WHAT I HEARD IS ABOUT THE MOUNTING ITSELF AND THE LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A FUTURE, UM, THAT, UH, AND THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT USUALLY COMES AS PART OF LIKE THE PLATTE OR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TYPE THING THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT IN PLACE THAT SAYS THAT THE MOUNTING 
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MUST BE MAINTAINED. 
          TREES MUST BE MAINTAINED. 
          THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CUT ONE DOWN IS IF IT'S DISEASED OR DEAD AND IT MUST BE REPLACED IN KIND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT LANGUAGE CAN COME AT THE DETAILED PHASE, UH, TO HANDLE THAT, UH, PART OF IT, RIGHT. 
          PART OF THE, UH, THE, THE PUD AND A VIOLATION OF THAT WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION UNDER THAT. 
          YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UH, AND THE REASON WHY I JUST MENTIONED THAT IS SINCE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF CITIZEN INPUT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE HAD REGARDING WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE ITEM, UH, WITHIN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WAS, WAS ACCURATELY OUT THERE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL BE MR. CAMPBELL AND MARK, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, UH, ON ACCIDENT OR ON PURPOSE? NO, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, YES, I DID HAVE MY HAND UP SCOTT, IN REGARD TO YOUR COMMENTS, UH, WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BERM AND THE, UH, POLICY THAT WE WOULD SET IN, THE AGREEMENT WE WOULD INTERACT ON. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING IN ADDITION, IS THAT A SEPARATE, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT OR AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM ENTER INTO? UM, THAT GOES INTO A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT YOU SEE IS THE EASEMENT ITSELF GOES ON THE PLAT AND THEN A DESCRIPTION ON THE PLAT THAT SAYS WHAT THAT EASEMENT IS FOR. 
          UM, AND IT'S FOR THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND THAT, UH, ANY RESTRICTIONS OF, UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU CANNOT CUT A CERTAIN, THE TREES DOWN JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN REASONS WHY YOU CAN'T AND THAT HAS THE TEETH INTO IT AS IT'S RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. 
          AND MR. SCHOMER, HAVE WE EXPERIENCED P UDS WITHIN OUR CITY THAT HAS DONE JUST THAT, AND THAT IS REMOVED TOTALLY LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE FOUND ON THE PUD PLAN. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND DECADES LATER, IT STILL DOESN'T EXIST. 
          THE LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN REMOVED, CORRECT? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          JERRY MCDONALD, NO, SIR. 
          WITH WHAT SCOTT'S TALKING ABOUT, RECORDING AN, UH, AN ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT WITHIN THE PUD, WOULD THAT GIVE US SAY MORE TEETH TO ENSURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE MAINTAINED AT THAT DEVELOPMENT? IT CAN, AND THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN A PUD AGREEMENT AND RECORD THE PUD AGREEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEEDED THE OWNERS AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT BERM CONTINUES. 
          AND IN FACT, THE BERM CONTINUES THAT THE BERM ISN'T REMOVED OR THE VEGETATION ON TOP OF THE BERM ISN'T REMOVED AND THAT WE PROTECT NOT ONLY THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD FILL ENCROACHED UPON BY THIS BEING APPROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SENSIBLE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO AND IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADOPT IN MY OPINION. 
          NOW, SCOTT, COULD THAT BE PREPARED AND READY, UH, THROUGH THE DETAILED PLAN. 
          AND IF WE DO HAVE THIS ON FOR MONDAY, WE COULD MAKE ALL THE NECESSARY APPROVALS AND WE COULD COUNT ON THAT BEING DONE. 
          UM, I CAN WORK WITH, UH, MR. MCDONALD ON THAT, UM, IN, IN, UM, A STANDARD PUD AGREEMENT COMES WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, AND WHICH IS SIGNED BY, UH, BOTH PARTIES AND DOES HAVE BONDING REQUIREMENTS WITH THAT, UH, FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN WORK WITH. 
          MR. MCDONALD ON THIS CITY HAS PUD CURRENTLY THAT LIST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED DEVELOPERS REMOVING BIG BLOCKS OR THE LANDSCAPING ENTIRELY, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND THERE, THERE IS LEGALLY STUFF WE CAN PUT IN PLACE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO HELP ENSURE THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE, CORRECT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO OUR ZONING LAWS AND LEGISLATION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS, CORRECT? YES. 
          THE VERY WITH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT DON WEBB, ARE YOU OKAY. 
          MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? COULDN'T GET MY MIC 
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ON THERE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY AND WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING 10 YEARS FROM NOW STILL EXISTS AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? IN YOUR OPINION? YES. 
          UH HUH. 
          NOW, REGARDING SOME OF THE PDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YES. 
          IS THAT BECAUSE OVER TIME THOSE PDS HAVE, UM, CHANGED THEIR FOCUS OR DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OR I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION OF, TO, UH, AN, UH, CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, IF WE HAVE CURRENT PDS THAT HAVE REMOVED LANDSCAPING, THAT'S ON THE PUD PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT SCOTT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          AND WE HAVE ALL THE ZONING IN PLACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. 
          SO JUST TO POINT OUT, THERE IS A REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE HAPPENS IN MY OPINION, BUT YOU AGREED WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WHY I THINK THE PROPOSAL WAS DIFFERENT THAN MY PROPOSAL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE ON PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT I WAS HEADED IN A SIMILAR DIRECTION AND THAT YOU AGREED WITH ME, I THINK YOU ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE HAVE A, AN AGREED PUD AGREEMENT WITH A DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, THEN THAT ALSO BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE ON THE CURRENCY. 
          YES. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I TOTALLY DO. 
          SCOTT, DO YOU AGREE TO THAT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, UH, SO I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW KIND OF THE TYPICAL RULES THAT WE HAVE, HAVE ALWAYS GONE BY ABOUT HOW WE MOVE ITEMS ON TO, UH, FROM WORK SESSIONS ON TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          UH, WE DON'T VOTE FOR, WE ALWAYS VOTE BY OBJECTION AND THAT THERE'S A LACK OF OBJECTION, AND WE MOVE THOSE ITEMS FORWARD, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO MR. LYONS HAS RAISED AN OBJECTIVE, UH, AN OBJECTION ABOUT MOVING THIS TO, UH, THE COUNCIL MEETING IN A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. 
          SO I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO MR. LYONS AND ASK, UH, ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE, BEFORE I ASKED FOR ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS, IS THAT STILL THE CASE OR HAS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THIS REST OF THIS DISCUSSION PROCESS? AND IF YOU STILL HAVE OBJECTION, THEN I WOULD ASK IF THERE IS A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT AGREES WITH THE OBJECTION, UH, THAT WE NEED TO, UH, TO MOVE THIS BACK AND BRING US BACK TO A WORK SESSION WITH SOME OF THESE DETAILS, UH, MORE, MORE CONCRETE. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YES, I WOULD, UH, RENEW MY OBJECTION. 
          I DO LIKE THE DIRECTION THE CONVERSATION IS GOING. 
          I DO THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TONIGHT TO COME FORTH TO CITY COUNCIL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT'S MY REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR LINES. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THE ACTUAL, UH, MAJOR CHANGE OF THE ZONING, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS, UH, ALONG WITH MR. LYONS TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY AT PUBLIC HEARING MAYOR? YES. 
          I OBJECT. 
          WE NEED SOME DETAILS BEFORE WE CAN GO FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MS. BAKER ALSO OBJECTS, IS THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS? UH, I AGREE WE SHOULD, UH, WE SHOULD GIVE IT A COUPLE MORE WEEKS, MR. CAMPBELL, MR. HILL. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, SEE THIS, UM, I SEE A COUPLE MORE WEEKS HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO FORWARD TO THIS YEAR, MS. BERG. 
          YES, I AGREE. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO SOLIDIFY SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS NOW BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE CERTAINLY A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION. 
          ONCE WE HAVE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, UH, MORE IN CONCRETE, MORE SET IN STONE, UH, SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY ALONG THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THE SEPARATE AGREEMENT THAT MR. CAMPBELL WAS SPEAKING OF. 
          UH, SO THAT BEING SAID, UH, MAJORITY OF COUNCIL HAS, HAS AGREED TO OBJECT AND WE WILL, UH, SEE THIS BACK AT THE, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION 
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IS THE ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE SIDEWALKS AT BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          MR. SHARMA. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE MR. ROGERS PUT THIS ONE ON THE AGENDA AS A FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION DUE TO SOME COMMENTS FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT ON BELL FOUNTAIN FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS 
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THERE, UM, UH, REGARDING A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, SIDEWALKS ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          UH, AND W UM, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT TO SEE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIRED TO HAVE, UM, DONE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE EXISTING APPROVED PROJECT IS, UH, AND IF SO, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO, UH, BEGIN TAKING SOME ACTIONS FOR THAT. 
          UM, TONY, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM WAS IF I GOT IT RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I WAS PROMPTED DISCUSSION, UH, WITH SOME POINTS MRS. MARSH RAISED AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION REGARDING THAT PROJECT ON THE SIDEWALKS, MR. BURT'S COMMENTS. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT, UH, THESE DEVELOPERS ARE, UM, OPEN TO, UH, PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH FITCHBURG AND, UM, BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IN THE LONG RUN, SEE, UH, SIDEWALKS GO ALL THE WAY DOWN BETWEEN FITCHBURG AND CHAMBERSBURG. 
          AND, AND I HOPE THAT, UH, S SCOTT IS INDICATED THAT AS WE PUT IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THAT WE ALWAYS, UH, STRIVE TO HAVE, UH, SIDEWALKS TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE WALKABLE AND HOPEFULLY WHEN APPROPRIATE TO PUT IN BY CAST SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN BE USED FOR THOSE PURPOSES TOO. 
          BUT, UM, I REALLY WOULD, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE GOING TO DO, UH, THE CULVERT REPAIR ON BELL FOUNTAIN, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UH, TO INCLUDE, UM, PUTTING, UH, THE BIKE PATH AND THE, UH, SIDEWALK IN THERE TO EXTEND DOWN AND, AND MEET WITH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS DOWN ON CHAMBERSBURG TO MAKE IT, UH, MORE MOBILE. 
          MR. TRUMP, THANKS, NANCY. 
          UH, ROB, BASED ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, KIND OF APPROVED AND THIS THING HAS BEEN OUT TO BED. 
          AND SO W WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IF COUNCIL DESIRES, WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO, UM, UH, TO ADD THIS CHANGE, IF THAT'S TO COMPLETE THOSE SIDEWALKS, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, W WE, WE WOULD, UM, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO LIKELY AMEND EITHER THE SCOPE OF THIS CURRENTLY APPROVED PROJECT. 
          UM, AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE WOULD DO THAT BY, UH, EITHER UTILIZING THE EXISTING CONTRACTOR, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, ALSO SUB OUT AT THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND THE CONCRETE WORK OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND MY GUESS WOULD BE, UH, JUST A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WILL LIKELY WAIVE THE BIDDING FOR THAT. 
          UH, SINCE IT'S LIKELY THE COSTS WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF 25,000, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THE PURCHASING THRESHOLDS, UH, AND PROCESSES, UM, OR THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO CONSIDER IT A COMPLETE SEPARATE PROJECT AND, UM, PUT IT OUT TO BID, ET CETERA. 
          I THINK THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO, IT'S LIKELY TO BE MORE EFFICIENT TO FOCUS ON THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S ALREADY MOBILIZED FOR THE PROJECT AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO INCLUDE AND INCORPORATE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT WE COULD DO IS SINCE WE HAVE APPROPRIATIONS FOR OUR STREET CURB AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WE COULD INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF THAT SIDEWALK, UH, AS PART OF THE 20, 21, UM, PROJECT AND JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, WITHIN WHAT THE, UH, EXISTING PLANS WERE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE, UM, THE ADDITION OF, OF THIS SIDEWALK ON, ON THAT PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT, WITHOUT REALLY AN IMPACT TO THE BUDGET IF WE'RE USING THE OPERATING INTO THE 20, 21 FIRST BOOKS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE, WE WOULD JUST, UH, WE COULD MAKE A BUDGET JUDGE, A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT BETWEEN PROJECTS UTILIZING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FUNDS WOULD BE NECESSARY. 
          AND LET'S JUST HUGELY IMPACTFUL, UH, IN, IN REALLY DIMINISHES A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF, OF ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S LIKELY WE WOULD JUST NEED TO GO OUT AND DO SOME INITIAL ESTIMATES ON THE COST OF SIDEWALK. 
          UM, AND, AND BASED ON, UM, A LOT OF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AS RUSTY DISCUSSED BEFORE FOR ANY FUTURE ADDITION OF A SIDEWALK. 
          SO, UH, SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE WITH THE WIDENING, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE A SIGNIFICANT COST, LIKE WE'RE STARTING FRESH AND ADDING A SIDEWALK PORTION OF IT'S ALREADY KIND OF BEING DONE AS PART OF THE EXPANSION AND LEVELING OF THE ROAD FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF. 
          SO IT SHOULDN'T, UM, THE OVERALL BUDGET WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED, THAT'S ALREADY APPROPRIATED BECAUSE WE WOULD BE JUST SHIFTED DEDICATED FUNDS FOR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY, UH, AND JUST PRIORITIZE THOSE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK IN THIS AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          [02:10:02]
THAT'S GREAT. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, OR, UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, BY COUNCIL, UM, TO, TO MOVE? YES. 
          MR. OTTO? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, I JUST HEARD IF, UH, IF THE LOOK IS TO PULL FROM OUR CURRENT SIDEWALK PROGRAM TO MOVE THAT OVER AND, AND DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT I WOULD BE. 
          I THINK THE PROGRAM IS MOVING ALONG FINE. 
          I LIKED THE, WE MADE IN THE PROGRAMS TO IMPROVE, AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF AREAS WITHIN THE CITY THAT NEED THOSE CONSTANT, CONSTANT MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, IF, IF THIS WERE TO BE DONE, UM, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE, I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT THE SAME PROJECT FOLDED INTO IT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO PULL FROM OUR CURRENT SIDEWALK PROGRAM. 
          UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT PROGRAM WOULD END UP GETTING SHORTED IN SOME MANNER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S VERY USEFUL. 
          UM, NOW, DO WE KNOW THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF USAGE ON BELL FOUNTAIN? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROAD FACING HOMES THERE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE BELL FOUNTAIN WILL BE WALKED A LOT. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S USED A LOT. 
          YOU SEE PEOPLE WALKING DOWN IN THE, ON THE, IN THE GRASS QUITE FREQUENTLY MAILBOX, BILL FOUNTAIN, PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE IS REALLY A MAIN THOROUGHFARE, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR FOR, FOR JUMPING IN THERE. 
          UH, IT'S REALLY A MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR NOT ONLY, UH, WALKERS, UH, BUT FOR, UH, CARS. 
          AND WE NEED TO UTILIZE IT MORE TO TAKE SOME OF THE HEAT OFF OF BRANCH, BUT, UH, YES, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF HANDICAPPED PEOPLE THERE THAT, UH, THAT TRAVEL UP UP AND DOWN BELL FOUNTAIN, UH, WITHOUT THE SIDEWALKS. 
          IT'S AWFUL. 
          I JUST KNOW I, I HAVE UTILIZED BELL FOUNTAIN FREQUENTLY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE REALLY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WALKING DOWN BELL FOUNTAIN TOO, TOO TERRIBLY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR MR. OTTO, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE KIND OF IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, BUT NOT USING CURRENT FUNDS. 
          SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE, WE ADD MONEY TO THE BUDGET OR WE INCREASED, INCREASED? I WOULDN'T SAY IN FAVOR. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY I'M NOT AGAIN. 
          I WOULD SAY I'M NOT AGAINST, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK ON. 
          UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW NECESSARY IT IS AND IF IT'S PULLING OUT OF OUR REGULAR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, I DON'T LIKE THAT, THAT PORTION OF IT. 
          SO IF IT WERE TO BE DONE, I WOULD NOT WANT FUNDS BOTH FROM THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE TOUGH TIME KEEPING UP AS IT IS MR. LYONS. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, JUST TO PARROT, UH, COUNCILMAN AUTO'S COMMENT ABOUT, UH, NOT SEEING TOO MANY PEOPLE ON BELL FOUNTAIN WALKING. 
          UM, A LOT OF BELL FOUNTAIN IS IN WARD SIX IN MY DISTRICT. 
          AND, UH, HE IS CORRECT. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING ON BELL FOUNTAIN, HOWEVER, UM, THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO WALK BECAUSE THERE'S NO WALKABLE SIDEWALKS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          IF I, IF YOU PARDON THE PUN, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND THEY WILL WALK. 
          BUT, UM, I DO LIKE A COUNCIL, WOMAN VERGE HIS COMMENT, UH, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING NEED PUT SIDEWALKS IN THERE AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COST-EFFECTIVE IF WE START SOMEWHERE, UM, YOU WERE IN THE EARLY, VERY EARLY STAGES OF 2021, AND I HATE TO PULL, UH, FROM STAFF TO START MAKING SOME BUDGET CHANGES, UH, THIS EARLY IN JANUARY. 
          BUT, UM, CERTAINLY, UH, WE CAN GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GET THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MONEY FROM THE BUDGET. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, BUT STAFF CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          MR. LYONS, MR. WEBB. 
          THANK YOU, MIRA. 
          ROB, JUST SPEAKING TO THE, UM, SIDEWALK VERSUS THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WOULD IT IMPACT THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM? IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PROGRAM BASICALLY A PASS THROUGH THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND REPAIRS ARE PASSED THROUGH TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          MY CORRECT. 
          YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE, COUPLE OF PARTS, SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS WE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, UM, GAPFILL AND, OR, UH, REPAIR REPLACE HAZARDS, UH, BUT MAINLY THE CONCRETE PORTION, UH, OF THE OVERALL, BOTH DEDICATED STREETS AND SIDEWALK PLAN AND PROGRAM THAT THE, THIS, THE BUDGET THAT'S REQUIRED FOR 
          [02:15:01]
THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY JUST BE THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM ITSELF. 
          IT'S THE OVERALL DEDICATED FUNDS, WHETHER IT'S PORTIONS FROM THE SIDEWALK PORTIONS FROM THE CURB PART OF THE, UH, CONCRETE PORTION OF THE STREETS PROGRAM. 
          UM, I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD UTILIZE FUNDS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROPRIATED AND, UM, UH, AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THOSE, UM, MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS FOR THE YEAR AND INCORPORATE THIS AS PART OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. LYONS, IS YOUR HAND RAISED STILL OR WAS THAT YOU FORGOT TO TAKE IT DOWN? OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES MAYOR. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          SO, UM, SO LET, LET'S START THIS WAY. 
          UH, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY'S MEETING AND THEN IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD TO MONDAY'S MEETING, THEN, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON, ON WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM THAT THEN COUNCIL COULD TAKE THE VOTE ON WHETHER THEY, UH, AGREED TO APPROVE, UH, FINISHING ON THAT SIDEWALK OR NOT ON MONDAY, THAT WOULD BE AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION BASED ON, UH, BASED ON WHAT A STAFF PREPARES IN TERMS OF WHERE TO FIND THE MONEY, WHETHER IT'S A BUDGET INCREASE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT'LL BE, UH, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THAT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE ON MONDAY, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO COUNCIL MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING WORKS FOR ME. 
          IT, UM, IF I COULD JUST, JUST CLARIFY, WE ARE BRINGING THE STREET PROGRAM AND ALL THAT FOR APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE GETTING READY TO PRESENT THAT I BELIEVE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          SO WHAT I WAS IN INFERRING IS THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THAT. 
          SO IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE TAKING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT WOULD JUST BE UTILIZING AND INCLUDING IT IN. 
          AND IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WOULD WE JUST, UH, SO IF WE, WHEN WE BRING THE, UH, THE STREET PROGRAM FOR APPROVAL FOR DISCUSSION AT THE, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, AND THIS IS INCLUDED IN THAT IF IT'S APPROVED TO MOVE TO THAT FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING, THEN THAT'S WHEN, UH, COUNCIL WILL BE APPROVING THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF SIDEWALK OR, OR DO WE NEED TO DO THIS SEPARATELY? YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD JUST DO A SEPARATE SINCE WE'VE GOT A PROJECT AND WE WOULD JUST, UM, LIKELY CHANGE THE SCOPE. 
          AND IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME CONTRACTOR AGAIN, WHICH YOU WERE JUST CLARIFYING, YOU REGARD MORE OF THE MONEY THAN THE ACTUAL IN THE PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS WHEN WE, UM, SO PART OF THIS PROCESS, KIND OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, WE ALREADY APPROVED THE PROJECT AND IT WAS, IT WAS PUT OUT THE BID AND BUDGET, I THINK, UH, FROM A, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW MRS. BERG HAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SCOTT HAD TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE, THE DESIRE WOULD BE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE START THINKING ABOUT THIS AND WE WERE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT. 
          UH, I WOULD THROW OUT THERE AND SEE IF COUNSEL TO OBJECT TO ACTUALLY DEVELOPING AN ACTUAL POLICY THAT WHEN, WHEN WE DECIDE, OR WE DECIDE, WE TALK ABOUT AND DISCUSS, UH, STREET IMPROVEMENTS OR STREET REPAIR OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, UH, THAT MAYBE WE HAVE A, A POLICY THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW, AND WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE, UH, WHAT A SIDEWALK PLAN, AND MAYBE IT IS A BIKE PATH PLAN OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS THAT WAY WE DON'T END UP IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS AGAIN, WHERE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED A PROJECT IT'S ALREADY OUT TO BID, AND THEN IT COMES UP AS A OOPS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED. 
          UM, SO, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T GO INTO THAT DISCUSSION ANY FURTHER, BUT, UH, TONY, IF YOU WOULD ADD TO OUR, UH, TO OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, A DISCUSSION AROUND STREET IMPROVEMENT POLICY THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS, WHERE THAT JUST BECOMES STANDARD IT'S POLICY. 
          IT'S WHAT WE DO, UH, TO KEEP US, UH, TO KEEP US FROM GETTING INTO THIS SITUATION AGAIN. 
          AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PICK THAT DISCUSSION UP AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, TO BE DECIDED ON THE PHONE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NEXT UP IS I DON'T SEE OTHER HANDS RAISED, SO I DON'T SEE WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO, FOR THIS PIECE MOVING ON TO MONDAY. 
          SO, UH, NEXT 
          [  City Water System Discussion]
UP WILL BE ITEM A THREE F, WHICH IS THE CITY WATER SYSTEM DISCUSSION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THIS WAS A, A FOLLOWUP AS WELL, UH, REGARDING A, UM, A WORK SESSION ITEM REQUESTED BY 
          [02:20:01]
MRS. BERG, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PIGGYBACK FOR, UH, AN UPDATE ON OUR WATER CONTINGENCY PLAN, UM, REGARDING I BELIEVE A DISCUSSION, UH, REVOLVED AROUND THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING WATER SERVICE SOLD OR USED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FOR ANOTHER COMMUNITY OR OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, AND CHECKING INTO OUR EXISTING ORDINANCES AND OUR POLICIES, UH, WHAT THAT ENTAILS, UH, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES STATE THAT FOR THE UTILITY TO BE USED THAT THE CITY CAN, UH, I'M SORRY, FOR THE UTILITY TO BE USED OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. 
          UH, IT CAN BE DONE IF THERE WAS AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UH, AS FAR AS HOW THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT, IT WOULD JUST MERELY BE A CHANGE IN THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AND THAT PARTICULAR POLICY BY COUNCIL. 
          UM, IF I, UM, IF I RECALL THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, AND I THINK IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT BASIC, UH, AND I KNOW MR. MCDONALD, UM, AND, UM, AND, UH, TONY RESEARCHED IT HAD SOME INFORMATION ON THAT, AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK, UM, FOR BASED AROUND KIND OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, THE WAY IT'S THE WAY OUR CODE TANS RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE, WE CAN'T EXTEND WATER ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN. 
          IF THAT WAS A DECISION THAT COUNCIL MADE, WE COULD CHANGE THAT IT WOULD JUST BE THROUGH COUNCIL LEGISLATION TO CHANGE THAT POLICY OR CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO DO WHAT THE CODE NOW SAYS. 
          WE CAN'T DOES THAT. 
          YES, THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT A UTILITY IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CITY, INCLUDING WATER SERVICES SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED TO SERVICE PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS THE POLICIES DESIGNED TO ENSURE THE EARLY GROWTH OF THE CITY AND TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE. 
          AND THEN IT SAYS THE CITY MANAGER IS ALSO AUTHORIZED TO ENTER INTO COVENANT AGREEMENT WITH PROPERTY OWNERS OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATE LIMITS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SPECIFYING THEIR COMMITMENT TO ANNEXATION AND THE TERMS OF MUNICIPAL UTILITIES, EXTENSION TO SUCH PROPERTIES AND CONSIDERATION OF SEX ANNEXATION, ASSURANCES. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO EXTEND IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AS, AS A REGION NOW, AND AGAIN, IF, IF COUNCIL HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA IN MIND REGARDING WHAT TYPE OF POLICY THEY WOULD HAVE FOR THE USAGE EXTENSION OR SALE OF THE UTILITY, UH, I, YOU KNOW, CASTLE ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, TO READDRESS THAT AND CHANGE, MODIFY, AND PEST AND POLICY. 
          GOOD. 
          THANKS, MR. BERG. 
          YEAH. 
          ROB, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THE CODE IS FOR THAT NINE TO 9.3592 9.35? AND YOU SAID THERE WAS THESE ORDINANCE, IS THERE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP AREA? NINE TO 9.3 JORDAN IT'S. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE SECTION, THE CODE SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE, THE, UM, THIS HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, SO I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT, UM, THAT I WANT TO ADD TO THAT IS, AND I THANK YOU FOR IDENTIFYING THAT IS THAT, UH, A CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST A NEED. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AND REQUEST THAT, UH, UM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS. 
          WE DON'T JUST GO OUT AND SOLICIT PEOPLE THAT, THAT IF A CUSTOMER CAME TO US OR A, UH, OUTSIDE ENTITY CAME TO US AND, AND WAS INTERESTED IN DOING THIS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSESS IT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE EVALUATE IT. 
          AND THEN IF WE DECIDED TO DO THAT, IT WOULD TAKE, LIKE YOU SAID, AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, BUT SINCE NO ONE HAS DONE THAT, THEN, UM, THIS, THIS HAS COME UP, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE, UH, ORDINANCE IDENTIFIED AND, UH, PUT THE THING TO BED UNTIL SOMEBODY DOES COME FORWARD AND, AND PRAY, TELL IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN IT CAN BE EVALUATED AT THAT TIME. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANKS, MR. BERG. 
          I, I MEAN, I ALSO, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE JUST BEEN GONE THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR OWN BACKUP WATER SYSTEMS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO EVEN PROVIDE, UM, OUR OWN CITIZENS, UH, ENOUGH WATER IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. 
          UM, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO MY OPINIONS, I THINK WE HAVE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BEFORE WE START THINKING ABOUT WHO ELSE WE'RE GOING TO GET WATER TO WHEN, UH, UH, W THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BACKUP FEED INTO, UH, INTO DATE AND IN TERMS OF, 
          [02:25:01]
OF AN EMERGENCY. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT AND DETERMINE WHAT OUR OWN CAPABILITIES ARE FOR WHAT WATER WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, TO CUBA RESIDENTS. 
          BEFORE WE START THINKING ABOUT, UM, WHO ELSE WE'RE GOING TO, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE WATER TO OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS THROUGH A POLICY CHANGE OR THROUGH AN ANNEXATION MR. LYONS, UH, THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM, UM, NOT TO, UH, UH, INTENTIONALLY, UH, MUDDY THE WATER CLOUD, THIS ISSUE ANYMORE THAN IT MAY ALREADY BE, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AWARE, UH, ROB, DO WE RUN WATER TO BATH TOWNSHIP? WE, WE USED TO RUN TO A PROPERTY ON ADAMS ROAD, UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SINCE SECEDED BACK OUT OF THE CITY, BACK INTO, UH, GREEN COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DID THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF, AND THERE WAS A PROPERTY, UH, IN, IN BATH TOWNSHIP OR MAYBE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THERE OFF OF ADAMS ROAD, UH, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DID OCCUR. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          CAUSE, UM, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE, THIS GOES BACK TO THE OAKLAND PUBLIC WORKS, UH, MEETINGS WE USED TO HAVE IN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AGO. 
          AND I SEEM TO REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT RUNNING A DISCUSSION. 
          WE HAD, UH, ONE OF THE MEETINGS ABOUT RUNNING WATER TO BATH TOWNSHIP AND, UM, IT JUST PEAKED MY INTEREST AND I JUST KIND OF REMEMBERED THAT. 
          SO, UH, IN THAT, OF COURSE THE NEED MORE WATER PLANT. 
          WE OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S IN RIVERSIDE, UH, ON NEED MORE BUY. 
          WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T OWN THE LAND THAT WE RAN THE WATER FROM THE CITY DOWN TO THE NEED MORE PLANT. 
          DID WE, WE JUST HAD TO GET PERMISSION. 
          I, UM, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW. 
          SO THE NEED MORE WATER PLANT, WE OWN THAT LAND, THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T OWN ANY LAND BETWEEN THAT PLANT AND HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          SO WE HAD TO RUN THAT WATER SOMEWHERE THAT WASN'T OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING TOO, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR NEED FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS AND WHAT THE POLICY CHANGE WILL NEED TO BE? OKAY. 
          I DID HAVE PART TWO OF THAT. 
          UH, THE WATER SYSTEM DISCUSSION, NO PROBLEM. 
          UM, SPEAKING OF THE NEEDMORE PLANT, WE WILL BE COMING HERE FOR THE, UM, RFP PROCESS FOR THE DEMO OF THAT, UH, PARTICULAR FACILITY. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE, UM, THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING. 
          WE'VE FINALIZED THE, UH, THE DESIGN AND THE PLAN FOR THAT. 
          UH, IN ADDITION, UM, I'LL LET SCOTT JUMP IN IF HE'S STILL ON. 
          UH, CAUSE I KNOW HE'S BEEN IN CONTACT, UH, HE AND RUSS REGARDING THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE HIRED TO EVALUATE OUR POTENTIAL CONTINGENCY OPTIONS, UH, AND EXPANSION NEEDS FOR, UH, FOR OUR, OUR WATER PLANT AND UTILITY 10 AS WELL. 
          SCOTT. 
          YES. 
          SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT IN PLACE THAT, UH, THE FIRST STEP, UM, WAS WORKING ON THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING PLANT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR SYSTEM. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THEY ARE ANALYZING OUR EXISTING WELLS, UH, FOR CAPACITY AND, UH, WHAT, UH, UH, HOW THEY AFFECT EACH OTHER, THE DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER, UM, AS THEY'RE DRAWING, UH, FROM THE AQUIFERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF A STEP ONE OF THIS, UH, THE PHASED APPROACH AFTER THOSE RESULTS, UH, OF THE WELLS AND EVERYTHING COME IN HAVING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, THEN, UH, WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS CONSULTANT ON THE OPTIONS FOR THE EXISTS, THE RIP RAP PLANT FOR, TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, MORE RELIABLE FOR THOSE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. 
          SO IT'S THE DATA GATHERING STAGE IS WHERE THE CONSULTANTS AT. 
          UM, AND PART OF THAT IS AS, UH, MR. SCHOMER SAID AS ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEMOLITION, THAT'S A OF THE EXIST THEME, UH, NEED MORE PLANTS THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OKAY. 
          THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED ON. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING, SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO 
          [  Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]
ITEM 3G, WHICH IS THE BRANT PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          UH, BEFORE WE, UH, 
          [02:30:01]
MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION, I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION ABOUT SOUTH PARK CROSSING AND, AND KIND OF THE, THE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WERE SHOWN AT THAT PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND THEN MR. OTTO HAD BROUGHT UP SOME CONCERNS REGARDING, UH, THE VISION OF THE CITY OR SOMETHING IN REGARD TO THAT AND WANTED TO BRING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UM, SO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT DISCUSSION, I HAVE, I HAVE AN EMAIL, UM, THAT, UH, MR. KIM LITTLETON, UH, FROM OWEN, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          O H M ADVISORS, UH, HAD SENT TO ME BACK, UH, ON TUESDAY, UH, DECEMBER 15TH. 
          AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT EMAIL FROM, FROM, UH, MR. LITTLETON. 
          AND HE IS A SENIOR PLANNER, UH, FROM OHM ADVISORS. 
          AND HE IS A GENTLEMAN WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON, UH, OUR REPORT ON THE ACTUAL BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT. 
          I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT AN 88 PAGE REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED AND DONE AND SUBMITTED, AND HE IS THE AUTHOR OF THAT REPORT. 
          AND HE SENT THIS EMAIL ACTUALLY TO ME AND MR. MCCALSKY, UH, AND THE EMAIL SAYS, DEAR MAYOR GORE. 
          I HAPPENED TO NOTICE IN DECEMBER 3RD DAYTON DAILY NEWS ARTICLE, THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN AN ACTIVE ROLE IN IMPLEMENTING THE BRANDT PIKE CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION PLAN. 
          FROM WHAT I CAN TELL FROM THE ARTICLE, THE RECENT PLAN FOLLOWS THE SPIRIT OF THE BRAND PIKE PLANNING EFFORT. 
          IT INCORPORATES THE LIBRARY AS A CRITICAL CIVIC FEATURE. 
          IT PROVIDES MIX OF USES ADHERES TO THE PRINCIPLES OF SOUND ACCESS MANAGEMENT AND PROVIDES ALTERNATIVE HOUSING CHOICES, ALL COMPONENTS OF A SUCCESSFUL REVITALIZATION. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SUCH A REWARDING PROJECT AND LOOK FORWARD TO ASSISTING THE CITY IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN SINCERELY KEN LITTLETON, SENIOR PLANNER, OHM ADVISERS. 
          AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THIS EMAIL WITH, UH, UH, WITH, WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE BEFORE WE KIND OF START THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO DID THE REPORT, UH, WHO WROTE THE REPORT, WHO WORKED ON THE ACTUAL REVITALIZATION PLAN, UH, AT LEAST FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT, KIND OF AGREES WITH ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'VE GOT IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND, YOU KNOW, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO TURN THIS DISCUSSION OVER TO, TO MR. OTTO, UM, TO ADDRESS WHAT CONCERNS HE HAS AND, AND, AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, UH, MAYBE HIS IDEAS AND HIS PLANS ARE. 
          MISRATA THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, YEAH, WHEN I WAS SOMEONE SAID I WAS KIND OF BLINDSIDED BY THAT, UM, THAT PRESENTATION BECAUSE, UH, I, I HEAR THE TERM SOUTH POINT CROSSING AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD OF THAT. 
          UM, I'M SEEING THESE CONCEPTUALS AND THOSE ARE THE FIRST TIMES THAT FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN THOSE. 
          UM, I DON'T GET WHY WE'RE PRESENTING THESE THINGS TO THE PUBLIC AS THIS IS WHAT IT IS WHEN COUNCIL HASN'T EVEN HAD THIS DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO COME, COME UP WITH A NAME OR, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CONCEPT WAS DEVELOPED. 
          THE DRAWINGS WERE DEVELOPED, BUT PERSONALLY LOOKING AT IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL TO ME LIKE IT, IT REALLY BROUGHT THE FULL SPIRIT OF THE WALKABILITY AND THE FULL MIXED USE OF IT. 
          WHAT I SAW WAS A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND A HECK OF A LOT OF BLACKTOP. 
          UM, W W HOWEVER, THE GOAL, WHAT WE SPENT A YEAR DOING THAT SURVEY ON WAS GETTING THE INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES TO FIND OUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT I THOUGHT THE WAY I TOOK THAT WAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR A WALKABLE, UH, SUBSTITUTE FOR A DOWNTOWN AREA, SO TO SPEAK AS WE DON'T HAVE ONE. 
          UH, AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT FROM THAT CONCEPT, CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, WHICH AGAIN, THAT PRESENTATION WAS THE FIRST I'D EVER SEEN IT. 
          AND THERE THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION ON IT SINCE, AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BEFORE. 
          UM, I, I, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT IN COMING UP WITH THAT DRAWING. 
          I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED IN COMING UP WITH THE NAME AND WHY DID I SAW SO MANY APARTMENTS THERE? IT APPEARED TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFICS ON THE TYPE OF APARTMENT, BUT FROM THAT REVITALIZATION SURVEY AND THE, AND THE YEAR-LONG STUDY, THE ONLY HOUSING THAT WAS REALLY MENTIONED SO MUCH, WAS IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF APARTMENTS WAS SOME SEED, UH, POTENTIAL SENIOR HOUSING IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN THE POTENTIAL OF A MO MULTI-USE STRUCTURES, RIGHT ALONG BRANDT PIKE, WHICH WOULD BE POSSIBLY THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT WITH, UH, UH, LOWER SHOPS, MAYBE OFFICE SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN SOME SMALLER FLATS UP TOP, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD 
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APPEAL TO PROBABLY THE, THE, THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND POSSIBLY SOME, SOME OLDER FOLKS, BUT PRIMARILY THE YOUNGER GENERATION. 
          AGAIN, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THAT PRESENTATION, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PARK SPACE IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, IT LOOKED LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF BLACKTOP FOR A MUNICIPAL BUILDING THAT WOULD BE HOUSING TAX AND WATER, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC TO BEGIN WITH MOST OF THE YEAR, UH, YEAH. 
          OUTSIDE OF YOU GET INTO TAX SEASON AND YOU'LL SEE A PICKUP. 
          AND THAT USUALLY RIGHT AROUND TAX DAY WHEN EVERYBODY'S POURING IN TO GET THINGS KNOCKED OUT. 
          UM, BUT NO, I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT WE NEVER HAD A DISCUSSION CONCERNING THAT, AND IT WAS JUST TROTTED OUT, LIKE THIS IS OUR DECISION, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO ME TO REALLY PULL INTO THAT MULTI-USE CONCEPT THAT THAT'S GOING TO PULL THE SMALLER, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO CALL IT MOM AND POP SHOPS, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, THE SMALLER SHOPS, UM, UH, SIT DOWN DINING AND, UH, THE WALKABILITY, UH, THE INVOLVEMENT OF WALKABILITY THROUGH THE PLACE. 
          I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT I SAW TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THAT DRAWING. 
          I SAW, I MEAN, MUNICIPAL BUILDING, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY FELL RIGHT IN PERFECTLY WAS THE LIBRARY. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE LIBRARY WAS ASSUMED WAS THAT EXACT LOCATION, UM, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          I LOVE THAT. 
          UM, BUT THE REST OF IT, I JUST DON'T FEEL, WE'VE REALLY SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THIS, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. 
          THAT JUST FELT VERY, SOMEBODY MADE A DECISION TO THROW IT OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL COUNCIL MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT AS TO WHERE THE RESIDENTS WANT TO GO AND WHERE THE SURVEY WENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU ON A COUPLE OF POINTS. 
          YOU KEEP SAYING THAT, UH, IT WAS TROTTED OUT THERE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. 
          UM, THAT PRESENTATION WAS, I NEVER MADE THAT ASSUMPTION AND I NEVER SAID THAT THROUGHOUT THAT PRESENTATION, UH, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I SAID, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME. 
          UH, THAT WAS CLEARLY GIVEN AS A CONCEPT, AS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THESE THINGS START FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          WE HAVE ARCHITECTS WHO, UH, DEVELOP IDEAS AND THEY KIND OF COME UP WITH A COUPLE AND THEN YOU KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THEM AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOOD OR NOT, BUT NOWHERE AT ANY TIME, WAS IT EVER EXPRESSED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING? AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY GONNA BE A PARKING LOT. 
          THIS IS SPECIFICALLY GOING TO BE THIS BUILDING OR THIS BUILDING. 
          IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          THAT'S WHAT RENDERINGS ARE WHEN A, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT STARTS, THAT'S HOW IT BEGINS. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A CONCEPT, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN END USER. 
          THE REASON THAT THERE WERE SOME APARTMENTS PUT THERE IS WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK A BIG PORTION OF WHAT ALL OF US ON COUNCIL DESIRE IS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS AT AS LITTLE TO NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER AS A REVITALIZATION EFFORT AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO SOMEONE HAS TO BUY THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 15, 16 ACRES THERE. 
          SOMEBODY HAS TO BUY THAT PROPERTY. 
          THE LIBRARY HAS PURCHASED A MILLION DOLLARS OF IT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT BUYS THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE, THE CONCEPT WAS. 
          AND THERE HAS BEEN, UM, AS WE TALKED, UH, SEVERAL TIMES THAT AN END-USER IS WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN, IN, IN APARTMENTS, UM, IN THAT PROJECT. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE AS FOR PRESS TO NOT LOOK AT, UM, AN OPTION FROM A DEVELOPER WHO HAS A PLAN AGAIN, TO INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, THE DECREASES ACROSS TO THE TAXPAYER. 
          NOW, YOU KNOW, I'M FAR FROM GENIUS, BUT WHEN I THINK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND, AND YOU MENTIONED SIT-DOWN RESTAURANTS AND, AND ALL THIS OTHER DEVELOPMENT AND, AND MOM AND POP SHOPS, THERE'S BEEN OPEN RETAIL SPACE THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME THAT MOM AND POP SHOPS AND OTHER PLACES, AND, UH, COULD HAVE, COULD HAVE MOVED, COULD HAVE BUILT THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T. 
          SO THE KEY TO DEVELOPMENT IS I'VE SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES, EYEBALLS AND POCKET BOOKS. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A BUSINESS TO OPEN UP THERE WHERE THERE'S NOT A HIGH ENOUGH POPULATION DENSITY TO, UH, FREQUENT THEIR BUSINESSES. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF A, AN ISSUE. 
          I BELIEVE PERSONALLY, THAT WE'VE HAD ALL UP AND DOWN BRAND PIKE FOR FOUR YEARS, IS THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN THE POPULATION DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WOULD GENERATE THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND IF ANYBODY WATCHING THAT PRESENTATION, 
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SO THAT IS, UH, UH, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, THEN THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A KEY MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I CLEARLY SAID THAT THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AND WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT COUNSEL WILL HAVE SEVERAL DECISIONS AND SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, UH, SIX MONTHS TO EIGHT MONTHS, AS WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE LIBRARY, AS AN ANCHOR IS GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER BUSINESSES TO DECIDE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK I WOULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK WE WILL SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          AND I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL IS EXPECTING TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          OR IF YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING TO SEE THAT HAPPEN, THEN, THEN YOU MADE SOME PRETTY BAD DECISIONS ON DECIDING TO INVEST THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND ALL OF YOU, ALL, ALL OF YOU VOTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY. 
          SO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE HAVE, SO WE, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND THAT CONCEPT WAS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT WAS A CONCEPT. 
          AND I THINK WE'LL SEE IT DEVELOP FULLY, UH, AS, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          SO, SO ANYBODY WATCHING ANYBODY LISTENING, UM, THAT, THAT WAS NOT SAID, AND IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT IT WAS A CONCEPT TO START WITH. 
          AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME INTEREST AND AS THEY EXPRESS MORE INTEREST, THEN WE WILL, WE WILL SEE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION TAKE OFF. 
          AND AS WE JUST SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF THIS AFTERNOON DISCUSSING, UH, 46 PARTICULAR HOMES, WE WILL HAVE THOSE SAME TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COMES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IN THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE DO ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS, IN THIS CITY. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT DONE THAT WAY. 
          SO I, I, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PROCESS AND HOW DEVELOPMENT WORKS AND WE'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          AND THAT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          CAN YOU MAKE COMMENT TO, AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. 
          THERE WAS A, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT A BIT WHEN WE WERE ALL TOGETHER ABOUT, UH, OUR WILL TO, UH, DIVE OFF INTO THIS AND START CUTTING SOME CHECKS FOR SOME PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAS, UH, AND I WAS, I WAS IN A A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WAS IN A A HUNDRED PERCENT OR CREATING THIS WALKABLE AREA THAT, UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED THROUGH THIS YEAR-LONG, UM, SURVEY, UM, THAT I CHAIRED. 
          SO I WAS THERE. 
          I REMEMBER WHAT WAS STATED AND, UH, LARGE BLOCKS OF APARTMENTS WERE NOT A PART OF THAT. 
          AND, UM, I, I DIDN'T SEE AGAIN. 
          YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME DESIGN AND SOME IDEAS THROWN OUT THERE THAT WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN START FROM AND WORK FROM. 
          I GET THAT, BUT THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OF THIS AMONGST COUNCIL PRIOR TO THAT POPPING OUT THERE, AND I'VE GOTTEN CALLS ON IT TO SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? WHAT, WHEN WAS THIS DISCUSSED? WHEN, AND I SAID, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T DISCUSSED. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED. 
          AND SOUTH POINT CROSSING WHERE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT ALL OF THIS JUST SEEMED TO COME OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE HEAD IT CAME OUT OF. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO DISCUSSED IT, WHO PLANNED IT, BUT IT CERTAINLY WASN'T THIS COUNCIL, IT CAME OUT OF THE, IT CAME OUT OF THE HEADS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, UH, WHO WERE EXPERTS AT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, SO, SO BASICALLY WE'RE AT A POINT NOW TO WHERE, UH, WE'RE SOUR DECISION RIGHT NOW, MY, IN MY MIND IS ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE AS A COMMUNITY, AS A COUNCIL, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT SPACE, AND THEN FIND SOMEBODY THAT IS ALSO ON BOARD WITH MAKING IT THAT SPACE THAT WE LIKE, OR ARE WE GOING TO JUST JUMP ON THE FIRST SHIP THAT ROLLS IN WITH SOME CASH THAT WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING? BECAUSE FOR ME, THIS WASN'T ABOUT MONEY AND THAT'S WHY I WAS READY TO TAKE THAT RISK. 
          IT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY AT ALL. 
          IT WAS ABOUT PROVIDING THIS PART OF, OF OUR TOWN THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN WANTING FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. 
          THAT WAS THE RISK I WAS WILLING TO TAKE. 
          I WASN'T WILLING TO TAKE A RISK TO DROP ALL THIS MONEY ON THIS, SO THAT THE FIRST GUY COMING IN THAT OFFERS TO BUY PROPERTY, WE GO, OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THAT. 
          THIS WASN'T A BUSINESS VENTURE. 
          THIS WAS A COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT VENTURE. 
          AND IT WAS KNOWN FROM THE JUMP THAT THIS WASN'T TO BE A MONEYMAKER. 
          THIS WAS TO BE A COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I TAKE ISSUE WITH IT. 
          I'M NOT THE MONEY I GET. 
          WE NEED DEVELOPERS, I GET SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP IN AND SPEND SOME MONEY. 
          THAT'S FINE, BUT WE CAN CONTROL CONTROL'S THE WRONG WORD. 
          WE CAN DEVELOP A PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT IN A VISION OF WHAT WE WANT IN THAT, AND FIND A DEVELOPER WHO CAN SHARE OUR VISION WITH US. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE WHATEVER COMES ALONG. 
          AND IT SOUNDS A LOT TO ME, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE THOUGHT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS IN ON, OR I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN ON IT. 
          UM, 
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SO, SO, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WRONG IN THAT ASSUMPTION. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT THIS IS GOING. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY THAT'S EVER JUST HAPPENED WITHOUT COUNCIL INPUT AGAIN, I MEAN, WE HAD THE PERFECT EXAMPLE TONIGHT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH AN HOUR AND A HALF DISCUSSION ON 46 RENTAL HOMES. 
          UH, THERE ARE, UH, EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ANY PLAN THAT A DEVELOPER BRINGS FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS OR PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT A, UH, AN OIL CHANGE PLACE. 
          AND WE TALKED FOR 30 MINUTES ABOUT NEW STORAGE FACILITIES. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS CITY THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH A PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND COME TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT PRESENTATION. 
          DID, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PRESENTATION CAME TO THE CITY WITH ZERO DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, BECAUSE IT WAS A CONCEPT. 
          IT WAS A PLACE TO GET US STARTED TO ANNOUNCE TO PEOPLE THAT, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          WE'VE SEEN. 
          WE ARE, WE'RE NOT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT WE'RE WE WE'RE IN THAT. 
          I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT AT, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE WAS INVOLVED OR NOT. 
          I KNOW I, WASN'T GOING TO GET INTO AN, INTO AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU HERE ABOUT THIS, BUT THE PLAIN AND SIMPLE FACT IS WE'VE SPENT $8 MILLION. 
          NOW, LOOK, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO BUILD SOME SENIOR HOUSING, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO BUILD A RESTAURANT, IF YOU'VE WORKED TO GET THAT DONE, I MEAN, I KNOW, UM, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GO, LET'S GO TALK TO THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, GET IN MY CAR AND TELL ME WHERE TO GO. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT A PLAN, UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE OR A CONCEPT IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE TO HAVE ADDED YOU. 
          YOU ALSO VOTED TO APPROVE, UM, THE CONTRACT WITH OUR CONSULTANT. 
          OUR CONSULTANT WORKED WITH THE ARCHITECTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE PAID HIM TO DO. 
          SO TO SAY THAT NOBODY HAD AN IDEA ABOUT THIS. 
          MAYBE YOU DIDN'T SEE THE CONCEPT, BUT AGAIN, IT WAS A CONCEPT, A CONCEPT THAT'S EXPECTED TO CHANGE. 
          AS WE MOVE TO THE PROCESS, EVERYBODY VOTED TO HIRE OUR EXPERTS. 
          UM, THE CITY MANAGER IS ALLOWED TO SPEND THE MONEY, UH, TO GET THE ARCHITECTS FOR SOME RENDERINGS. 
          IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THE LIBRARY WHO HAD PURCHASED PROPERTY AND IT'S THE PLACE TO START. 
          SO ANY, UH, ANYTHING, ANY ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT? UM, I THINK IS JUST, UH, I THINK IT'S NOT, I THINK IT'S NOT GENUINE. 
          I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT. 
          THERE WAS JUST NO DISCUSSION ON COUNT FROM COUNCIL ON THAT ONE. 
          IT WASN'T EVEN OFFERED IT WASN'T AVAILABLE AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS BROUGHT OUT BLIND AND I DID HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          IT WAS A CONCEPT. 
          WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          MR. SHAW. 
          YES. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          UM, UH, I'M ACTUALLY BEEN HAVING, UM, TREMENDOUS INTERNET ISSUES. 
          UH, THIS EVENING I HAVE PROBABLY MISSED HALF OF THIS, UH, UH, MEETING. 
          SO I FIRST WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO, UH, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN, FOR ANY BACKGROUND NOISE, AS I'M CURRENTLY ON MY CELL PHONE AT THIS TIME, UM, TO KIND OF JUMP IN ON, ON THE CONVERSATION HERE, UM, THAT, UH, THE ISSUE, UM, WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING IN THE DRAWINGS ITSELF. 
          I NEVER SEEN THE WORDS, CONCEPTIONAL DRAWING. 
          THE NEWS MEDIA, NEVER PUT OUT THAT IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          IT WAS VERY STATED THAT THOSE WERE THE PLANS. 
          UM, I KNOW AT LEAST, WELL, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE WHO MADE THE PRESENTATION DID A POOR JOB OF, UM, EXECUTING THAT THAT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING. 
          AND, UM, WE, WHEN THE NEWS MEDIA, UM, NOT JUST ONE BUT MULTIPLE, UM, MATTER OF FACT, I, AS, AS MR. OTTO WOULD SPEAKING, I WAS READING, UH, THE DAILY NEWS ARTICLE, UM, THAT WAS PUT OUT, UM, ON DECEMBER 2ND AT 3:56 PM. 
          AND THERE WAS NO WORD OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, ACTUAL PLANS. 
          UM, I I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MANY RESIDENTS THAT THEY'VE BEEN REACHED OUT TO AND I'VE, UM, RECEIVING FEEDBACK, UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH ASKING A WORD, THE NAME COME UP. 
          I HAD TO SIMPLY SAY, I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT CAME UP. 
          UM, I'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S WHERE WHERE'D THESE DRAWINGS COME FROM. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER WEB, UM, DURING A MEETING LITERALLY ASKED, UM, THAT, UH, WE AS COUNCIL SEE SOME DRAWINGS AND SOME LAYOUTS, UM, AND, AND UNLESS I'M, UNLESS I'M WRONG OR MAYBE A COUNCIL MEMBER WEB HAS SEEN THOSE WHEN THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE BY YOURSELF, UM, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER SEEN HIM. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS NO 
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DISCUSSION FROM AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN MR. WEBB ASKED THAT QUESTION AND MADE THAT REQUEST TO THE TIME IT WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, READING THROUGH THE WALKABILITY, NOT EVEN THE CONCEPTIONAL DRAWING HAD THE WALKABILITY FEATURES, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, WITH THAT PLAN. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE SOME ISSUES, UH, WITH THAT. 
          UM, I WILL AGREE. 
          IT'S GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH COUNSEL BEFORE, YOU KNOW, A HIGH THEATER PRESENTATION MADE TO THE PUBLIC AND NEWS MEDIA. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY STANCE. 
          AND I I'D BE OPEN TO ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE IN YOUR OPINION, MR. WEBB, UH, THANK YOU MA'AM AND THANK YOU, RICHARD. 
          UM, MY FIRST TIME SEEING THE DRAWINGS WAS DURING THE PRESENTATION AS WELL, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND THIS MIGHT BE BECAUSE I SPENT MANY, MANY YEARS ON PLANNING. 
          UM, THERE WAS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS CONCEPTUAL IT'S THE SAME AS WITH EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES UP BEFORE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION OR OUR COUNCIL, UM, OR ANY OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PALITY ACROSS, UH, OUR RF. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS FOR COSTCO, UH, IN CENTERVILLE, THERE WERE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE THERE NOW, BECAUSE AFTER COSTCO WENT IN IMMEDIATELY, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREAS STARTED BUILDING LIKE CRAZY. 
          THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING FOR AUSTIN LANDING IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE THERE NOW. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD SAY MIRROR, I, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AND CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS ARE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS THAT ARE VERY MARKET DRIVEN. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT WILL, COULD I, COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD HOLD JUST A MOMENT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ALONG WITH THAT, UM, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING WAS THE PRESENTATION ITSELF. 
          THERE, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THIS WILL OCCUR IN STAGES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND THINGS WILL CHANGE UNDOUBTEDLY FROM EVEN WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW TO WHERE THIS WILL GO AS IT NEAREST COMPLETION. 
          NOW, DURING THAT TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF MARION MEADOWS, WE DID TALK AS A COUNCIL ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS WHAT DEVELOPMENT COULD POSSIBLY GO IN THERE THAT WOULD OFFSET THE COST OF THE PURCHASE OF MARIANNE MEADOWS. 
          AND I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THAT, UM, WE HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD IMPACT THE COST OF BUYING MARION MEADOWS, HOW WE WOULD GET OUR MONEY BACK BETTER YET HOW WE WOULD GET THE MONEY BACK FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY FINAL POINT I WANT TO ADDRESS AND I'LL, I'LL, UH, GET OUT OF HERE, BUT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WALKABILITY AND DURING THE PRESENTATION, SOMEONE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP AS A QUESTION. 
          AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE ZOOMED DOWN, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS DOING IF IT WAS ROBBER OR THE MAYOR, BUT THEY ZOOMED IN ON THE CONCEPT DRAWING AND SHOWED THE WALKABLE PALS THAT LINK ALL OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS BACK THERE. 
          SO IT DOES MAINTAIN WALKABILITY. 
          IT DOES MAINTAIN, UM, THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND AGAIN, MY OPINION, IT IS A CONCEPT, BUT I THINK IT WAS GREAT THAT WE COULD PRESENT THIS CONCEPT TO PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY ON THE HEELS OF THE INFORMATION COMING INTO THE LIBRARY HAD COMMITTED. 
          AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE FINALLY GOING TO GET THE LIBRARY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SO LONG. 
          AND WITH THAT OFF, UH, I'LL SHOP AND LET YOU GUYS TALK IS BIGGER. 
          UM, MR. MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY, UM, I WANT TO DO, UM, RE RE-ASK A QUESTION TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB. 
          IF I MAY, I CAN WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB. 
          I DO RECALL, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          YOU, YOU DID ASK, UM, UM, COUNCIL FOR A DRAWING, UM, A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, UM, I GUESS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT, BUT YOU DID ASK FOR THAT, CORRECT? 
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YES. 
          FOR SURE. 
          I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CALL, THE REASON I ASKED FOR A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE AND SALESPERSON LANGUAGE, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE SIZZLE. 
          UH, IT'S ENOUGH TO SAY WE'VE GOT A GREAT STEAK, BUT I'M WANTING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WHAT THE BENEFIT IS OF THIS GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          SO FROM A MARKETING, FROM A COMMUNITY BUY-IN STANDARD, I WANTED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE A CONCEPT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. 
          WE WERE DELIVERED A CONCEPT. 
          YOU MAY HAVE A HANG UP ABOUT THE NAME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALL THAT CRAZY ABOUT IT, BUT IT SORT OF FITS. 
          UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THE CONCEPT DRAWING AS I'M LOOKING AT IT IS ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE'LL SEE, BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOING TO BE MARKET DRIVEN. 
          THERE ARE A FEW ANCHORS IN THERE. 
          I THINK THE CITY TAX AND WATER OFFICES TO THEIR OWN LOCATION IS A VERY SMART MOVE. 
          I LOVE THE FACT THAT THE LIBRARY HAS COME IN, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, BUT WITH A COMMITMENT TO BUILDING SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE, IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS ONE. 
          SO YEAH, THE CONCEPT, I WAS DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH THAT, AND I WAS QUITE PLEASED AT WHAT I SAW, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO GET MOM AND POP OUT HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, EXCITED ABOUT PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW THEM, HERE'S OUR IDEA OF WHAT COULD TAKE PLACE THERE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB. 
          SO BACK IN NOVEMBER, UM, WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THAT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, I BELIEVE THE FIRST TIME, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT YOU THOUGHT ANY DRAWINGS WHATSOEVER WAS DURING A PUBLIC PRESENTATION, INCLUDING THE NAME OF, UH, OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF MY CORRECT ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT THE SAME TIME YOU DID. 
          I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE GOING TO BE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, UM, TO GO OUT AND MAKE THESE AGREEMENTS AND THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT BEFORE WE PUT ANY NAME TO IT, WE PUT ANY DRAWINGS TOGETHER. 
          THAT COUNCIL WAS GOING TO HAVE THAT INITIAL DISCUSSION. 
          WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME FORETHOUGHT INTO THAT. 
          MAYBE EVEN BRING BACK THE FOLKS FROM THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, UM, WHICH I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE ANY OF THEM WERE THOROUGHLY INVOLVED IN THE INPUT OF THAT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING ALSO, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          THAT'S THE CONFUSION THAT NOT ONLY I HAVE THE RESIDENTS HAVE, BUT IT ALSO, AGAIN, FROM READING THE NEWS ARTICLES, EVEN THE NEWS MEDIA IS CONFUSED ABOUT. 
          SO EVERYBODY HERE SEEMS TO BE CON WELL CONFUSED EXCEPT FOR A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE LIBRARY IS A GREAT ANCHOR FOR THIS, NOT ARGUING OF THOSE POINTS. 
          I'M ARGUING THE POINT OF COMMUNICATION AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. WEBB. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT YOU AND POINT AGREED WITH, WITH, WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS A COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN HERE, WHEN YOU YOURSELF SAID THAT YOU ASKED FOR THE DRAWINGS AND THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW THEM WAS DURING A PUBLIC PRESENTATION. 
          HMM. 
          NO, I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          RICHARD, THE REASON I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH IT IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DRAWINGS WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND PERHAPS EVEN PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPERS HAD A VISUAL TO GO ALONG WITH OUR IDEA. 
          UM, I THINK WE WERE ALL PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING, UM, IN, IN GENERAL WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANY MISCOMMUNICATION AS FAR AS THAT GOES. 
          SO WHEN I SAW THE PRESENTATION AND ARGUABLY AT THE SAME TIME YOU DID, I WAS PLEASED BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT. 
          IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED FOR. 
          I WANTED TO SEE A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, AN IDEA OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT. 
          AND I HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY, MANY CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS IN MY YEARS ON PLANNING. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, DOESN'T WIND UP LOOKING LIKE THE FINISHED PRODUCT. 
          UM, SO TO ME, I, I THOUGHT WE GOT EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR AND THAT WE GOT CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, A GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THE UPCOMING PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE COMMITMENT BY THE LIBRARY, UM, WILL THIS ALL CHANGE? NO DOUBT. 
          I THINK THERE'LL BE MASSIVE CHANGES. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM AS THE MAYOR HAS BEEN ALLUDING TO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR CITIZEN INPUT AND COUNCIL INPUT. 
          AND JUST LIKE WE DID TONIGHT, WE WILL SIT AND DEBATE THIS BACK AND FORTH THE MERITS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE WALKING PATHS, 
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UM, LINK THE APARTMENTS WITH THE CITY BUILDING OR VICE VERSA. 
          WE'LL GET DOWN TO THE MINUTIA AS TIME GOES ON. 
          BUT OVERALL, I WAS PLEASED WITH THE CONCEPT. 
          AND AGAIN, I HAD NO IDEA OF WHAT THE CONTENTS WERE OF THIS PRESENTATION UNTIL I WATCHED IT RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I, TO SEEN THE PRESENTATION AS YOU PRESENTED IT, UM, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, FIRST DRAFT IS FIRST DRAFT AS THE PAPERS GO, EVEN DRAWING PLANS FOR BUILDINGS, THEY ALSO CHANGE A LOT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, REALLY QUICKLY CLARIFY THE TERM WALKABILITY. 
          UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A DISCONNECT HERE. 
          UH, THE WALKABILITY REFERRED TO THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSION AND THROUGHOUT THAT YEAR LONG SURVEY WAS NOT REFERRING TO, CAN I WALK TO THIS PLACE FROM ANOTHER PLACE? THAT'S NOT THE WALKABILITY THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED. 
          THE WALKABILITY WAS, CAN I GO THERE AND SPEND A COUPLE OF FEW HOURS WITH MY FAMILY, WALK AROUND, VISIT SOME SHOPS, ENJOY MY DAY, MAYBE GRAB A BITE TO EAT AND THEN GO HOME, MAKE AN ACTIVITY OUT OF IT. 
          I DID NOT SEE THAT ANYWHERE. 
          I SAW NO GREEN SPACE. 
          AGAIN, TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IS WHAT I SAW, WHICH I, HOW THEY WOULD BE DIVVIED. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I SAW A, A, A BUILDING, A, UM, CITY BUILDING, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S AN ABSOLUTELY GREAT IDEA TO HOUSE THOSE TWO UNITS WITHIN A CITY BUILDING IN A CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE, WHY PAY RENT WHEN WE CAN PAY A MORTGAGE? UM, BUT THE WALKABILITY AROUND THAT AND THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THAT WAS MEANT TO SAY WE'RE, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE STATED DURING THAT, AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE QUOTES FROM ONE OF THE, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE IN THE STUDY SAID, AND THEN TRANSFORMED THE CORRIDOR FROM AN AUTO ORIENTED AUTO FOCUSED GET FROM HERE TO THERE TYPE THING TO ONE THAT HAS A MIX OF TRAVELING MODES IN IT. 
          THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL, CRITICAL. 
          AND THAT WHAT I SAW LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DRIVE MY CAR DOWN TO AND GO PARK AND GO INTO SOMETHING AND DO MY BUSINESS AND GO BACK TO MY CAR AND DRIVE AWAY. 
          IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          AND IT CERTAINLY IS AN ALLURING TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEND AN AFTERNOON WITH THE KIDS. 
          SO AGREED. 
          I AGREE THAT THERE IS A NATURAL PROCESS AND THINGS WILL CHANGE AS WE DISCUSS. 
          UM, THIS IS GOING TO GO OVER LIKE A LEAD BALLOON, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SO, SO IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          A LOT OF THESE IN PERSON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS MEETING WITH PEOPLE AND LOOKING AT SOME, SOME POTENTIAL PLANS AND GETTING SOME MORE INPUT ON WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          UM, THIS IS IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE SINGLE PROBABLY BIGGEST PROJECT. 
          THE CITY'S UNDERTAKING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IMPACT, IF DONE PROPERLY, IF WE CAN CREATE THAT FEELING OF A DOWNTOWN, THAT FEELING OF A WALKABLE AREA THAT WE CAN SPEND SOME TIME, MAN, WE GET A BIG WIN. 
          IF WE END UP WITH SOME MORE, MORE PAVEMENT APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND A COUPLE OF STORES, WE HAVE FAILED THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS 100%, CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK RADO HAS MADE HIS POINT THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE THE CONCEPT, UH, WHICH IS AN EVER BY DEFINITION IS AN EVER CHANGING. 
          UM, I NEVER, I NEVER CHANGING DRAWING, UH, BUT WE COULD HAVE, THE ARCHITECTS COULD HAVE PUT TOGETHER A CONCEPT THAT HAD, UM, A RESTAURANT, A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WITH LOTS OF SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND NOTHING THAT ACTUALLY PAID ANY BILLS. 
          AND WE COULD HAVE HAD JUST AS MANY PEOPLE AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ON COUNCIL UPSET THAT, WELL, THAT CONCEPT ISN'T GOING TO WORK BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          WE GOT ALL THESE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THESE PARKS SPACES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE ANY REVENUE. 
          SO I, I, I THINK THAT IT'S RIDICULOUS TO BE SO UPSET AND, AND, UM, OVER WHAT AN INITIAL DRAWING WOULD BE. 
          THAT IS A STARTING POINT TO START SHOWING THE COMMUNITY WHAT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL IS. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US HAVE ANY IDEA BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE ANY SIGNED AGREEMENTS WITH A DEVELOPER. 
          SO NONE OF US KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          SO GLEN, WE 
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COULD GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND SAY, HEY, COULD YOU, COULD YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT HAS LOTS OF SIDEWALKS AND LOTS OF PARK SPACE AND A RESTAURANT AND THE LIBRARY, AND WE COULD BRING THAT BACK AND THEN THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATE REVENUE THAT WOULD PAY FOR THE MONEY, THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE AGREED TO SPEND. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOW FOR 30 MINUTES, UH, BETWEEN JUST THREE OF US ABOUT A CONCEPT. 
          I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IF WE PUT NINE OR 10 PEOPLE IN A ROOM TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A ROUGH DRAFT. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME WHATSOEVER. 
          WE HAD SOME GREAT CONCEPTS COME OUT OF THE SURVEY. 
          SOME ARCHITECTS WHO PUT TOGETHER A DRAWING THAT SHOWED WHAT POTENTIAL WAS. 
          UM, THERE ARE THINGS NOW THAT, THAT WE CAN USE, WE CAN GO BACK AND WE CAN GET ADJUSTMENTS SO WE CAN START SHOWING, UH, DEVELOPERS, UH, WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS, HOW MUCH SPACE WE HAVE, WHAT, WHAT CAN GO IN THERE. 
          AND THIS THING WILL BE MASSAGED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'RE UPSET OVER A CONCEPT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT WAS A CONSTANT. 
          AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE CHANGES ALONG THE WAY I GET THAT, THAT REALLY, THAT, THAT EVENING, WHAT UPSET ME WAS THAT THIS WAS JUST CONFUSED. 
          IT WAS OUT OF THE BLUE AND, AND AGAIN, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK SOME OF THE, THE CONCEPTUAL FROM LEE. 
          I DID IT NOT SO MUCH THAT IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT DRAWING IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT, PLEASE. 
          REALLY? NO, THAT'S TRUE. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT A CONCEPT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. 
          TH WE HAD CONCEPTUALS WITH THE STUDY ITSELF, WE SPENT OVER A YEAR ON THAT. 
          WE HAD SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS. 
          LET'S TRY THOSE BACK OUT. 
          LET'S PULL THOSE OUT, DUST THOSE OFF AND TAKE A PEAK AT THOSE AND SEE HOW THEY DIFFER FROM WHAT IT IS THAT WE SAW ON THIS. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SHOWING THAT DRAW. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S BE HONEST OF THAT PRESENTATION SHOWING THE CONCEPT AND SHOWING THE DRAWING WAS LIKE THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MINUTES OF WHAT WAS PROBABLY A 35 OR 40 MINUTE DISCUSSION ABOUT KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THE CITY AND THE PURPOSE AND WHAT IT ALL LED UP TO YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE FIGHTING OVER, OVER NICKELS HERE WHEN THE DOLLARS ARE, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST A CONCEPT THAT WE'LL CHANGE THAT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. 
          I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE PUTTING MORE FOCUS ON DOLLARS THAN WE ARE ON WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS FROM US. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT ALL AND GET SOME DOLLARS BACK ON IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE WHOLE THING, WHICH IS WHY WE ALL HAD TO TAKE THAT DEEP BREATH AND GO, YES, I'M IN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A MONEYMAKER AT ALL. 
          I DON'T EVEN THINK IT WAS MEANT TO GET OUR MONEY BACK. 
          THIS WAS MEANT TO PROVIDE THAT PIECE OF OUR COMMUNITY, THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          SO I CERTAINLY, UH, WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING $8 MILLION THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO GET, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME BACK. 
          WE'RE ALREADY GOOD. 
          WE ALREADY GOT A MILLION COMING BACK FROM THE LIBRARY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THE FOCUS TO BE ON THE MONEY ON THE INCOME. 
          SO TO SPEAK, THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON PROVIDING WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE WANTING FROM THIS, PROVIDING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DISAGREEING ABOUT. 
          CAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THAT. 
          IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO A LOT MORE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. 
          I HOPE TO BE INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS MEET YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. KIM, UH, MAYOR, COULD YOU PROVIDE TO US, WAS IT AN EMAIL YOU REFERENCED GETTING FROM THE PERSON OR COMPANY THAT HELPED US? UH, YEAH, I WAS, I WOULD WAS GOING TO SEND THAT AFTER OUR MEETING, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH AND LOOK TO FIND THAT NOW AND GET IT SENT TO EVERYONE. 
          UH, MR. SCHOMMER. 
          YES, SIR. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY THAT TO ME? I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND IT TO EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SEND IT TO YOU, MR. SHELMAR. 
          YES. 
          THE ORGANIZATION THAT REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR AFTER SEEING THE PRESENTATION AND MADE WHATEVER COMMENTS THEY MADE, THEY WERE WITH THE COMPANY THAT THE CITY HIRED TO LOOK AT THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          I, I BELIEVE I HEARD THE MAYOR MENTIONED THE AUTHOR BEING, UM, KIM LITTLETON YESTERDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YEAH, HE WAS THE, UM, HE WAS THE LEAD ON THE STUDY. 
          UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE A DIFFERENT COMPANY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WORKS FOR SOMEBODY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE COMPANY BEING DIFFERENT, BUT KID LITTLETON, UH, WAS THE, THE, THE HEAD PLANNER. 
          AND I'M AN AUTHOR OF THE, A, OF THE STUDY. 
          AND IS HIS SERVICES STILL AVAILABLE? 
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YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M SURE IT IS. 
          UM, I KNOW HE APPRECIATED IT AND HE WILL HELP US ANYWAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO TRYING TO GET TO A SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, I, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, BUT TRYING TO GET TO A SOLUTION BECAUSE WE HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND DEVELOPING IT WOULD, WOULD ONE OPTION BE TO ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF THEM ONCE AGAIN? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I DO. 
          AND, AND SCOTT, OR IF YOU'RE STILL ON, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE KEPT IN CONTACT AND I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL WORK AND FOLLOW-UP REGARDING THAT. 
          UM, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I, I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM OVER THE YEARS, UM, ABOUT, UM, BRANDT PIKE AND THEN ALSO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE UPCOMING, UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT HE WOULD BE AN IDEAL CANDIDATE TO INCORPORATE HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY AND INCORPORATE THAT IN OUR MOVES FORWARD AND IN AN OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, TO EVERYBODY'S POINT, I THINK THE ORIGINAL STUDY REALLY SET A ROADMAP AND HE NON SOLICITED INITIATED CONTACT AND SAID, THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT ROADMAP. 
          AND I THINK MAYBE HAVING HIS GUIDANCE ALONG THE WAY IS I THINK IDEAL. 
          OKAY. 
          J JERRY MCDONALD, ARE YOU STILL ON THE PHONE? ON THE CALL? OKAY. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO TALK, UH, IN SOME DETAIL ABOUT THE PROJECT, I WOULDN'T BE VIOLATED IN ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. WOULD I RECALL WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY. 
          SO, SO, SO W W WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU GUIDE ME AND STOP ME IF I DO START TO GET CLOSE TO THAT LINE? CAUSE THAT WOULD NOT BE MY INTENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ROB, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE MARION MEADOWS FACILITY, WE'VE AGREED. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THAT DOWN. 
          WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THAT STRUCTURE. 
          YES, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, IRONICALLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT SUPPLEMENT TO THE PIPE, UM, DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED QUOTES AND WE WILL BE BRINGING TO COUNCIL THE AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE, UH, TED PROJECT TO LEGISLATION. 
          SO, YES. 
          AND THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT WITH THE MAYOR PROVIDED IS THE LOCATION, THE LIBRARY PRETTY ACCURATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES IT IS. 
          UM, AND THE TIMING OF THINGS IS WE RECALL WE HAD DISCUSSION AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS, AND FORGIVE ME IF I VIOLATED IT, BUT IT'S IN THE OPEN NOW REGARDING THE LIBRARY, IF IT WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR NOT, IF YOU RECALL, WE BROUGHT AN UPDATE REGARDING THEIR DESIRE TO PURCHASE AND WE HAVE ILLUSTRATED THAT. 
          AND THE TIMING OF IT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE SPOT THAT MET THEIR SITE DESIGN AND PLANS, UM, WHICH INCLUDED LWCC AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY ACCURATE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF FITCHBURG AND BRANT, WE WERE WE'VE TENTATIVELY AGREED TO REFURBISH THAT, TO RE REDEVELOP REMODEL THAT, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND IT MIGHT INCLUDE TEARING DOWN SOME OF THE STRUCTURE, NOT TEARING DOWN SOME OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REMODEL THAT WHERE IT'S A HIGHER CONDITION, BETTER CONDITION THAN IT IS NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THAT WAS THE, UH, THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE BOUGHT ABOUT NINE ACRES FROM MARRYING MEADOWS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SELF-WORTH THOSE TO THE LIBRARY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A BALANCE OF FIVE ACRES. 
          WE BOUGHT ABOUT 17 ACRES FROM PREMIER HEALTH PAUL. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 21 ACRES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          THIS FELLOW THAT WROTE THE MAYOR, HIM AND HIS FARM WOULD BE THE EXACT RIGHT COMPANY TO BRING IN, TO HELP GUIDE US ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AND, AND WHAT USES WE'RE GOING TO APPLY TO THAT. 
          I THINK SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE 
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TASK FORCE, THE TEAM, THE SWAT TEAM TO GO TO GO BACK. 
          WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE, UH, OF THE TED PROJECT, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH LWCC, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY AND THEY HAVE EXPERTISE IN SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL THINGS LIKE WE SEE HERE, BUT THE ACTUAL LAND USE PLANNING, UH, EXPERTISE WOULD CERTAINLY BE GREAT TO AUGMENT WITH SOMEBODY LIKE MR. LITTLETON IN GLEN AUTO. 
          IF YOU HAVE A MINUTE, YES, MARTIN, GO AHEAD. 
          ON THOSE 21, SOME ACRES, WHAT WOULD YOUR VISION BE? WHAT WOULD SOME OF THE OPTIONS BE THAT YOU COULD SEE? WE WOULD DEVELOP THAT INTO, WELL, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SURVEY ITSELF, THERE WAS MENTION OF THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME, UH, UH, THEY CALLED IT LOW INCOME HOUSING, BUT THEY WERE REFERRING TO SENIORS, NOT A SECTION EIGHT SITUATION, BUT A SENIOR HOUSING, A SMALL AMOUNT OF THAT. 
          UM, A LOT OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND, UH, SOME PARK SPACE. 
          UM, AND JUST, AGAIN, THE GOAL OF THE WHOLE THING WAS REALLY TO PULL IN BRANT PIPE INTO THAT, TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING, A MORE WALKABLE ACTIVITY RELATED AREA, MORE SO THAN JUST A DRIVE IN DRIVE OUT AREA. 
          AND IT WOULDN'T CONTRADICT THAT PLAN. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF LIBRARY, CORRECT? NO, NO. 
          RAISING THE SHOPPING CENTER AND BUILDING THE LIBRARY GET FALLS RIGHT INTO THE PLAN, ACTUALLY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT. 
          AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SHOPPING RETAIL ON THE CORNER WOULD FIT INTO TOO, UM, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, UM, BUT, BUT MORE, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE BIG VISION WAS THAT ROADSIDE VIEW WITH THE TALLER BUILDINGS TO PROVIDE THAT PSEUDO DOWNTOWN, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT CULTURAL ONE THING TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE WALKABILITY AND DID, AND DID THE PLAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER, DID IT IDENTIFY WHAT MIGHT BE IN THOSE ALL BUILDINGS? DID IT GO INTO THAT DETAIL, GLEN? IT DID. 
          IT, IT REFERRED MOSTLY TO, UM, SPECIALTY TYPE, SMALLER TYPE SHOPS. 
          YOU REFERENCED A LOT OF THINGS. 
          ACTUALLY, A LOT OF THE REFERENCES HAVE COME TO FRUITION WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SMALLER SHOPS, UH, MORE ONE-OFF TYPE PLACES, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UM, SPECIALTY CLOTHING STORE, UM, SMALL, ANY BAKERIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LITTLE SMALL TYPE OF SHOPS, I GUESS, THE BEST FEEL THAT I COULD GIVE YOU FOR THAT WOULD BE THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS AT THE GREEN, WHERE YOU HAVE SOME SHOPPING AT THE BOTTOM OFFICE SPACE IN THE MIDDLE AND SOME APARTMENTS UP TOP. 
          YES, YES. 
          SO, SO I THINK JUST MY OPINION, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT TIME THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          WE SIMPLY NEED TO GET ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS INCORPORATED. 
          WE NEED SOMEONE TO HELP QUARTERBACK IN DIRECT SUPERVISION AND TO JUST CONTINUE MOVING THE PROCESS GOOD WITH THAT. 
          I I'M VERY GOOD WITH THAT. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR ALL OF US TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AND, AND MAYOR MAYOR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOUR VISION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED? WELL, OF COURSE, OF COURSE. 
          AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ON SET WITH A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING IS, BUT YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL TO KEEP THE GLASS HALF FULL, UH, WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD, TREMENDOUS PLACE. 
          UH, IT'S IT'S TAKEN US A LONG TIME TO GET HERE. 
          UH, IT'S PROBABLY IN SCOPE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS, IF NOT THE BIGGEST PROJECT THE CITY'S UNDERTAKEN. 
          AND I THINK SOMEONE SAID IT TONIGHT EIGHT, IT COULD BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT AND ASSET TO THE CITY DON. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THE ONE THING I'M CONFIDENT ABOUT THIS GROUP IS WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER UNTIL IT IS RIGHT. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          I WOULD AGREE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NEXT UP WE HAVE, 
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UH, ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS BOULEVARD ADMINISTRATION. 
          YES. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, BEGUN THE PROCESS, UM, SOME TIME AGO EVALUATING THE CONCERNS, UM, UH, OF THAT INTERSECTION. 
          UH, WE STARTED WITH, 
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UM, INSISTING THAT THE MONUMENT SIGN IN WAVE WAYFINDING SIGNS, UH, WERE, WERE INSTALLED PER WHAT THEY WERE DRUM DESIGN WAS. 
          UH, THEN WE HAD CONCERNS, UM, OR FROM COUNCIL, FROM RESIDENTS, FROM, UH, BETHEL SCHOOLS AND OUR NEIGHBORS UP TO BETHEL REGARDING THAT. 
          SO WE'D GET IN THE PROCESS OF STUDYING THE TRAFFIC, UM, UH, RENEWING EXISTING TRAFFIC STUDY AND DATA, ALL FOR THE PURPOSE OF IDENTIFYING OUR ABILITY TO PUT IN A TRAFFIC LIGHT. 
          THAT'S BEEN THE GOAL OF COUNCIL. 
          WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. 
          UH, AND WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES IS CLEARS THE PATH, UH, FOR US TO CONTINUE ON THAT PROCESS AND SEEKING OUT, UM, UH, GOING TO BID IF NECESSARY, ALL THOSE THINGS, UH, SHOULD ALL THOSE PROCESSES FALL IN PLACE AND ALLOW US TO GET THAT, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTALLED. 
          SO, UH, THE RESOLUTION, UH, BASICALLY, UM, PROVIDES US THE AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH, UH, GET IT APPROVED, GET IT DESIGNED, AND THEN, UM, BRING THE, UH, BRING THE BIDS BACK TO, UH, TO COUNCIL, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, THANKS, ROB PUBLIC COMMENTARY REGARDING, UM, ACCIDENTS AND CLOSE COLES AND ONE-OFFS, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I I'VE GOTTEN MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE WITH, UH, WITH YOUNG DRIVERS, NEW DRIVERS WHO, UH, LIVE ON THAT SIDE ON THE BRAND PIKE SIDE, AND THE TWO, ONE SIDE WHO REFUSE TO LET THEIR KIDS KIND OF DRIVE AS NEW DRIVERS OUT THAT AREA. 
          THEY FORCED THEM TO GO TO TWO OH TWO, WHERE, WHERE THE LIGHTS AT. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. 
          UH, I THINK WE HAVE VERY VALID CONCERNS, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED FROM THE RESIDENTS AND CARRIAGE TRAILS FROM, UH, THE BUS DRIVERS AND SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, UH, BETHEL SCHOOLS REGARDING WHAT THAT INTERSECTION IS LIKE. 
          SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING DILIGENT ENOUGH ABOUT THIS, TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          UH, AFTER WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE STUDY, UH, PREVIOUSLY I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME, UH, CHANGES UP THERE. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING, WE'VE MADE SOME, UH, CURB MARKINGS AND PAINTING UP THERE TRYING TO AT LEAST, UH, GET SOME MORE VISUAL, UH, ATTRACTION AT THAT, NOT ATTRACTION, BUT WHERE IT'S ATTRACTING THE EYES OF THE ACTUAL DRIVERS DO TO WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS AT. 
          SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO BE CLEAR TO THE RESIDENTS OF, OF CARRIAGE TRAILS AND ANYBODY WHO'S VISITING AND GOING UP THERE. 
          UM, AS I'VE HEARD MR. WEBB SAY, IF HE HAS TO GO INTO CARE TRAILS AND HE GOES UP THERE, HE HELPS SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF THEM, SO WE CAN FOLLOW THEM IN THERE JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE. 
          UH, I, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT, UH, I THINK THIS COUNCIL IS, UM, CONCERNED AND CERTAINLY I'M CONCERNED AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO, UH, TO GET A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT TWO OH ONE AND CARRIAGE TRAILS. 
          MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MIRA. 
          UH, FIRST, UH, SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE UP HERE AND CT WHO HAVE STAYED THROUGH A LENGTHY MEETING SO FAR TO HEAR HERE, JUST THIS RIGHT. 
          AND MY THANKS AGAIN TO ROB, UM, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS A RESOLUTION. 
          I, UM, IT IS, AS THE MAYOR STATED, IT'S A CONCERN OF MANY CTE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, MY INBOX GETS FLOODED WITH, UH, HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT SO FAR? SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S AWESOME NEWS THAT WE CAN TELL THEM THAT WE ARE, UH, ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO UNTIL WE'VE GOT A NICE SAFE ENTRANCE AND EGRESS OUT OF THEIR OWN BRAND PIKE. 
          UM, ROB, THERE WERE TWO OTHER, UH, COMPONENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT WERE WHAT I CALL BIG TICKET ITEMS. ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF CHANGE, UH, ADDITION OF A TURNING LANE. 
          UM, WILL THAT BE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD, UH, BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL ENGINEERING DESIGN OF, UM, INSTALLATION OF A LIGHT. 
          UH, WE, WE KIND OF HAVE TO, IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THINGS IN LOGICAL ORDER, UH, REGARDING WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK IN CONCERT WITH, UM, TWO OTHER JURISDICTIONS, ONE BEING THE STATE OF OHIO, THE OTHER BEING, UM, THE AREA THAT THE TRAFFIC INTERSECTION IS ACTUALLY IN, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FULFILLING ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE PROCESSES AND PERMITS DONE. 
          AND IT WOULD BASICALLY DEPEND ON WHAT THE FINAL RESULTS AND EVALUATION, UH, FROM ODAT REGARDING WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE 
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INTERSECTION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDITIONAL OR A CHANGE IN THE TURN LANES TEEING OFF THE INTERSECTION, REMOVING, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEANDERING LANE OFF IN ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE STUDIED IT AND HAD MULTIPLE PROPOSALS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE, BUT WE WANT TO FIRST FOCUS ON THE TOP PARTY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE MOST SENSE AND THE DESIRE OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND COUNCIL WAS ILLUSTRATED IS A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE. 
          UM, AND IF THAT'S NOT IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITIES, UH, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH APPLYING OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS SEEKING THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU, ROB. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. RED, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ONTO MONDAY? OKAY. 
          SO NEXT UP, THIS BRINGS UP ITEM 
          [  Carriage Trails Development Agreement Review/DEC Reconciliation Review and Analysis]
THREE, I, WHICH IS THE CARE SHELLS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REVIEW WITH THE DECK CONCILIATION REVIEW NOW. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS KIND OF PART THREE AND I'LL, I'LL, UH, I'LL KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT BRIEF. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, WE'VE RUN AN EXTENDED MEETING TONIGHT, UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF THE THIRD PART REVIEW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT NOT ONLY THE BUDGET, SOME OF THE REVENUE WE DID OUR DEBT PRESENTATION, AND SINCE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES IN THE CHARACTER TRAILS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DEBT ASSOCIATED, WE TOOK ON AN EFFORT, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO BRING IN OUR, OUR AUDITING FIRM CLATTENBURG TO REVIEW THE COMPONENTS, UM, AND INFORMATION PROVIDED BY DEC PROVIDED BY OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND PROVIDED BY OUR, UH, IN REVIEW FROM OUR, UM, FROM OUR BOND COUNSEL, MR. FRANZEN, UM, UH, OUR LAW DIRECTOR, JEREMY MCDONALD SPEARHEADED, AND IN QUARTERBACK THAT EFFORT, UM, BECAUSE IT RELATED AROUND, UH, KIND OF A REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT, OUR APPLICATION OF THE AGREEMENT, AND THEN RECONCILIATION OF THE NUMBERS AS TO WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO KIND OF AS WHAT WAS ALLUDED TO IN THERE. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT EVIDENCE OF A VERY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, THE, UH, THE STATISTICS THAT I PUT IN THE PACKET, UM, THAT, UH, THAT I'LL JUST REFER TO BRIEFLY, UH, SHOWS THAT SO FAR THERE'S BEEN 1,191, LOTS DEVELOPED 1,098 OF THEM SOLD A 1,050 TOTAL HOMES SOLD 863 OF THOSE THOUSAND AND 50 HAVE ALREADY HAD VALUATIONS. 
          SO WE CAN GET ACTUALS ON THE RECEIPTS RECEIVED, UH, FOR THE, THE TAX INVESTMENT OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE VALUE OF THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES, IT BRINGS IN ABOUT 277 MILLION, $800,000 OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION VALUE ONLY. 
          SO THAT'S NOT INCLUDING, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF DOWN OFF OF RED BUCKEYE AND, UM, UH, UH, THE, UM, THE DANBURY DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA, UH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY ADD MULTIPLE MORE MILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THERE. 
          UH, WITH THAT, THAT IS CREATED, UH, UH, NEARLY $16 MILLION OF INCREMENTAL PROPERTY TAX VALUE. 
          UH, AND WHAT THAT IS IS YOU HAVE THE BASE VALUE OF WHAT THE LAND WAS VALUED AT, AND WHAT TAXES WERE IN VALUE WAS BEING BROUGHT FROM IT. 
          NOW THAT THERE ARE HOUSES ON THAT LAND AND THE AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, IT'S CREATED AN ADDITIONAL $16 MILLION OF INCREMENTAL VALUE. 
          UH, SO FAR THERE'S BEEN AN ESTIMATED 5.2, ALMOST $5.3 MILLION OF TEARFUND RECEIPTS RECEIVED. 
          AND ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW HOW, UH, THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY TAXES ARE, A MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BENEFITING THE SCHOOLS AND THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, UH, ASSOCIATED TO THE AREA. 
          AND SINCE THIS IS OF COURSE, A RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND A NON-SCHOOL TYPE OF TIF, AS WE WOULD SAY, UH, THEN THE, UM, THE SCHOOLS HAVE, UH, HAVE BENEFITED OF NEARLY $11 MILLION. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S MORE IN THAT AS THE DEVELOPMENT CARRIES OUT. 
          SO WE CROSSED A COUPLE OF BENCHMARKS IN THE SENSE THAT A WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND CONGRATULATIONS TO DEC CONGRATULATIONS, TO CARRIAGE TRAILS, CONGRATULATIONS TO HUBER HEIGHTS FOR THAT FOR CONTINUOUSLY, UM, INCENTIVIZING AND MOTIVATING DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH THAT FILTERS OFF INTO ALL AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY'RE AHEAD OF WHERE THE EXPECTATIONS WERE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, THANKS TO THE ECONOMY AND THE INVESTMENT, EVERYBODY THAT BOUGHT HOUSES, THE VALUATIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES WERE FOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OUT LIKE A MASTER SPREADSHEET OF 
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IF WE HAVE THIS MANY HOUSES AND WHAT INCREMENTAL VALUES WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH REVENUE WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE EXTENDED TIME OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, IT'S TECHNICALLY A RED, BUT WE'LL KEEP GOING TIF. 
          UH, SO ON, UM, KIND OF IN SHORT SUMMARY, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHERE ARE WE IN THE AGREEMENT? SO AS YOU RECALL, SEVERAL YEARS BACK, WE STARTED A PROCESS WHERE WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY AND STRENGTHEN THE CITY'S ABILITY AND CAPACITY TO MAKE SURE TO GUARANTEED PAYMENT OF THE DEBT OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE UNDERTAKEN, UH, TO HELP SUBSIDIZE AND, AND STIMULATE THE GROWTH OF CARROTS TRAILS. 
          WELL, THERE'S NO DOUBT THE EVIDENCE OF THAT IS HERE BECAUSE, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, AND, UM, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S CLOSE TO BUILD OUT. 
          THE PROJECTIONS OF THE END OF BUILD-OUT IS SOONER THAN LATER. 
          AND WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY BECAUSE MORE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE GROUND BEFORE THE ABILITY TO GENERATE THE REVENUE AND THE TIF EXPIRES THE BETTER OFF EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE END. 
          SO, UH, THEN THAT TAKES US INTO, UM, THE, THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT AND ITSELF. 
          WE ALSO THEN MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND SOME CHANGES, UH, TO WHERE WE ELIMINATED PROVIDING TIF FUND ADVANCES AND INCURRING DEBT, UH, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SAFEGUARD OUR POSITION TO BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THAT THE REVENUES GENERATED FROM THE TIF WOULD COVER THE COST OF DEBT SERVICE. 
          UH, THEN WE HAVE THE 19TH AMENDMENT, WHICH CHANGED THINGS AND SOLIDIFIED THAT WE MOVE FORWARD INTO TODAY FROM THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED, UH, AND KIND OF THE GENESIS OF, OF MUCH OF THIS CAME FROM, UH, LOOKING FORWARD AS TO WHAT GOES ON INTO THIS YEAR REGARDING HOW AND WHAT TYPE OF SUBSIDY WOULD CONTINUE. 
          UH, AND I ASKED THAT WE GET PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION, UH, AND HAVE A RECONCILIATION FROM DEC SIDE OF THINGS, UH, FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS. 
          THEY IN TURN ALSO ASKED FOR THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAD THAT INFORMATION AUDITED AND, UH, THE RESULTS ARE THAT WHAT I JUST REPORTED THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE ESTIMATES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES OR THE TWO PARTNERS IN THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE IN THE, UH, CARROTS TRAILS, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UH, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE THE NUMBERS ONCE THE ACTUALS ARE OCCURRED, ONCE THE EVALUATIONS ARE DONE AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TAXES ARE COLLECTED, RIGHT. 
          UM, UH, WE ALL AGREE IN THE, IN THE SENSE THAT THE, UH, AGREEMENT HAS, UM, UH, HAS A FORMULA THAT AT THE END OF THE AGREEMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FUNDS IN. 
          WE'VE HEARD GOING BACK TO DON JONES, THE TIFF BUCKET, UH, TOOK BUCKETS, UH, AND BASED ON THE COVERAGE OF THE DEBT SERVICE, BASED ON THE, UH, ANY PROFESSIONAL FEES, UH, AND TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THE TIF RECEIPTS, UH, COLLECTED, IT LOOKS LIKE IN ABOUT 2031, UH, WILL BE THE POTENTIAL OF CONTINUING SORTS OF PAYOUTS FROM WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE TIF FUND. 
          UH, TWO DECK IN THE FORMULA LAYS THAT ONCE THOSE RECEIPTS ARE PUT IN DEBT, SERVICE ADVANCES ARE TAKEN OUT, THE REMAINING IS THEN PUT INTO, UH, ANOTHER BUCKET, WATER, FALL TYPE OF THING. 
          AND DECK GETS TWO THIRDS. 
          WE GET ONE-THIRD, UH, OUR ESTIMATIONS ARE THAT AT THE END OF THAT, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $10 MILLION. 
          WE GET ABOUT 3.2, THEY GET ABOUT 6.5. 
          I KNOW THAT ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 10, BUT I'M JUST DOING ROUGH MATH, ROUGH MATH, UH, LOOKING AT THE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKET THERE AS WELL. 
          SO IN OUR MEETINGS, WE HAD A MEETING WITH MR. KEEBLER, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE DEC, UH, THEIR ACCOUNTANT, UM, UM, MR. , UH, MR. MCDONALD, UH, OUR BOND, UH, OR I'M SORRY, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, UM, UH, ANDY BOSSERT, AND THEN JIM BRIAN AND I, UH, AND WE REVIEWED AND PROVIDED AN EXCHANGE. 
          THIS INFORMATION HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOWED HOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT 40,000 REASONS AND WITNESSES TO ATTEST THAT THE SUPPORT FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS IS, UH, HAS BEEN GREAT AND IS ONGOING. 
          AND, UH, ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, CONGRATULATED, UH, DECK FOR A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND ALSO REMINDED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WILLINGNESS OF THE CITY TO PROVIDE THAT STIMULUS WHEN CONVENTIONAL FINANCING WASN'T AVAILABLE, UM, TAKING THAT RISK, TAKING THAT CHANCE AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN SEE EVIDENCE OF GREAT SUCCESS. 
          UH, AND WE HAD DISCUSSIONS THAT NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REVENUE BASED DEBT, UH, FROM WHAT THE TIF CAN GENERATE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PRIVATE ENTITIES TO, UH, GET DEBT ISSUE TO THEM IS MUCH BETTER NOW, UH, 
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THAN WHAT IT WAS EARLIER ON. 
          UH, AND THEY WERE EXCITED TO HEAR OUR SUGGESTIONS THAT PERHAPS WE WOULD BE WILLING TO INDICATE THAT THOSE REVENUES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DEC, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SEEK DEBT ON. 
          UH, AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ON THE CITY SIDE. 
          UH, WE WERE VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE PRESERVING OUR DEBT CAPACITY. 
          WE'RE PRESERVING OUR ABILITY TO, UM, UH, TO, TO, TO MANAGE OUR DEBT SERVICE, AS WELL AS SAFEGUARDING THE CITY, UH, IN ITS CAPACITY TO, UH, TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL DEBT AS THINGS GO, UH, RE-ISSUE DEBT, UH, TO SAVE MONEY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHATEVER THE FINANCIAL STATUS AND SITUATION IS, UM, OF THE ECONOMY. 
          SO IT WAS, UM, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR, UH, TO DEC THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT, AND ABOUT 20, 31 OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME OF THE ACTUAL REVENUES THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CITY IS IN A POSITION WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ISSUING ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT NOR PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, SUBSIDY, UH, AS THE DEVELOPMENT HAS SHOWN GREAT SUCCESS AND HAS KIND OF GONE OVER THAT BENCHMARK. 
          UM, THEY ARE AGGRESSIVELY BUILDING LOTS. 
          THEY ARE AGGRESSIVELY TAKING ON, UH, NEW, UH, NEW HOME SALES. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, REMEMBER DEBT'S NOT THE HOME BUILDER, THEY'RE THE DEVELOPER OF THE LAND, UM, WHICH IS SOMETIMES CONFUSED OR DIFFERENCE, UH, IN OUR AGREEMENT IS WITH DEC, UH, AGAIN, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT SHOWED OUR INITIAL STIMULUS AND SUPPORT TO HELP STIMULATE AND MOTIVATE THE GROWTH IT'S WORKED. 
          IT'S AWESOME. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION AND ALSO CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION THAT WE'VE REVIEWED AND RECONCILED THOSE NUMBERS, THERE'S AMPLE REVENUE BEING GENERATED TO COVER THE DEBT THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED SO FAR. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ISSUE ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT, UH, UNLESS COUNSEL INSTRUCTS US TO DO SO OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO BE OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THERE'S A POSITIVE FLOW OF CASH THAT GOES INTO THAT LAST TIFF BUCKET. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, WE COLLECT, WE ASSIGNED DEBT SERVICE, WE REMOVE ADVANCES AND THEN REMAINING BALANCE STARTS TO FILL THOSE BUCKETS UP. 
          SO WE'RE IN A POSITION THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO COLLECT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO OFFSET OUR OBLIGATIONS TO THAT DEBT SERVICE TO SAVE CARD DEBT. 
          AND ONCE THAT IS DONE, THEN, UH, I THINK THERE'LL BE A GREAT FINANCIAL REWARD AT THE END FOR THE INVESTMENT OF DECK INTO THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE PARKWAY, UH, TAKING OVER THAT DEBT, UH, BRINGING THE GROWTH TO THE COMMUNITY AS THE DEVELOPER. 
          AND THERE'S A GREAT BENEFIT TO US AS A CITY FOR, UH, HAVING, UM, A POT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN GENERATED THAT WE CAN REINVEST INTO INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND, AND UTILIZE FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITHOUT A INCREASE OR RAISE IN WHAT THE HOMEOWNER'S TAXES WOULD ALREADY BE. 
          SO THAT IS, UH, THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, IN A NUTSHELL, UH, AGAIN, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND THAT WAS KIND OF A SUMMATION OF OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE DECK TEAM AND, UH, AND OUR FINANCIAL TEAM. 
          UH WE'VE UH, WE'VE SINCE THEN, AGREED THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND, AND KNOW THE AGREEMENT. 
          UH, WE LIKED THE AGREEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE AGREEMENT, UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY FOR SO FAR SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BUILD OUT, LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED. 
          AND BY 2037, ONCE THE, UH, TIFF IS OVER, UH, THERE'LL BE A, THERE'LL BE A CLUSTER OF MONEY THAT STARTS IN 2031 THAT LEADS UP TO, UH, A TOTAL OF ABOUT $3.2 MILLION ESTIMATED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU, ROB, APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION AND BREAK DOWN THE DETAILS. 
          UH, JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY AWESOME. 
          YOU'RE TALKING, I MEAN, ALMOST BY THE TIME YOU HAD THE MULTIFAMILY, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $300 MILLION, PROBABLY THE ESTIMATED RESIDENTIAL VALUE THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO ADD TO THE CITY, UH, $11 MILLION, UH, IN TIP REVENUE FOR, OR, YOU KNOW, RED DEVIN REVENUE FOR BETHEL SCHOOLS. 
          UH, I'M SURE THAT $11 MILLION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINDING WAYS TO PUT THAT TO USE, UH, MRS. BURCH. 
          YES. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SUCCESS STORIES, I THINK IN THE AREA. 
          UM, A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST PHENOMENAL. 
          I CAN'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A NEGATIVE IN HERE ANYWHERE AND, UH, THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR ALL THEIR GOOD WORK ON IT. 
          UM, AND FOR THE GUIDANCE, IT'S, 
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IT'S JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL. 
          UM, BETHEL SCHOOLS, LIKE YOU SAID, JEFF HAS BEEN, HAS BENEFITED FROM THIS IMMENSELY. 
          THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO BORROW MONEY TO BUILD THEIR NEW SCHOOLS. 
          UM, AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS THE BUILDERS OF COURSE, ARE, ARE REALLY MAKING OUT WELL IN THE LATEST, UH, WATCHING THE REAL ESTATE SALES, THE HOMES NOW ARE STARTED AND HAVE ENTERED INTO THE 450 $500,000 RANGE. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE REVENUE INTO OUR CITY, UH, THROUGH TAXES AND, UM, UH, PAYROLL AND REAL ESTATE. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL. 
          AND I, UM, I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF IT AND I'M, I THINK EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN MAKING IT HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BERG, OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ROB REGARDING, UM, THIS PRESENTATION ON CARRIAGE TRAILS IN THE, IN THE REVENUE AND THE SUPPLEMENTS SUBSIDIES. 
          NOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY TOOK PART IN THAT THINK YOU CAN THINK, OKAY. 
          SEEING, UH, THERE'S NOTHING WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S JUST A PRESENTATION, NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO MEETING CORRECT, ROB? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, IT WAS JUST THE RESULTS OF THE, UH, OF THE WORK. 
          WE, UM, WE PUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME IN IT, UH, HAD SOME OUTSIDE FOLKS WORKING ON IT AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE A STATUS UPDATE THAT, UH, WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE AGREEMENT, UH, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE AGREEMENT TO THE LETTER AS TO WHAT IT, UH, IT ASKS US TO DO AND, UH, RECONCILE THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS AND THOSE FIGURES WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS 
          [  Fire Division Staffing Levels]
THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING LEVELS. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS HAS BEEN CONFUSION OR, UM, MISUNDERSTANDING, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS SHOULD BE, UH, THROUGH THE FIRE DIVISION WHEN WE, WHEN WE REVIEWED IN FEBRUARY OF 2018, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS. 
          UH, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL COUNCIL, UM, AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, AGAIN, THAT OUR, UM, WELL, I THOUGHT WE HAD RESOLVED THE ISSUE AND, AND FISHER LINES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF ALL OF COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT ACTUALLY CAUSE A MEETING WHERE WE'RE JUST DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, JUST KIND OF GOING BACK TO WATCHING THE RECORDED MEETING, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED, HOPEFULLY WE'LL, WE'LL CLEAR UP SOME OF THE CONFUSION OR MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS WERE, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION, WHAT THE RECOMMENDED STAFFING LEVELS WERE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE ASK WAS FROM THE FIRE CHIEF IN REGARDS TO WHAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS SHOULD BE. 
          SO, UM, I HAD ASKED ROB, IF HE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PULL UP KIND OF THAT PLACE IN THE MEETING WHERE WE COULD JUST REVIEW, UH, THAT QUICK SECTION. 
          SO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE HOURS AND 46 MINUTES, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TO THE END OF THE, OF THE MAIN AGENDA, BUT I THINK THIS IS, UH, CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS IS IN FAVOR OF AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR POSITION IS IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE HAVE. 
          BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, ALL OF US TAKE PUBLIC SAFETY VERY SERIOUS, AND WE ACT, WE REACTED ON WHAT THE REST OF THE FIRE CHIEF WAS FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING. 
          SO, UM, ROB, IF YOU CUE UP THIS, THAT SECTION OF THE MEETINGS AND WE CAN, WE CAN JUST WATCH IT AGAIN REAL QUICK. 
          IT'S GREAT DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AND JUST REPORTING. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE SECTION OF THE MEETING I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON WHERE THAT STAFFING LEVEL KIND OF BECOMES CLEAR. 
          SO ROB, YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          SURE. 
          UM, THEY ALL, UM, FIREFIGHTING POSITIONS WITHIN THE FIRE. 
          CAN YOU SEE THAT AND HEAR THAT? UM, SHE FAST FORWARD THREE FIREFIGHTERS HERE. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID THIS BEFORE. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY, ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN. 
          DO WE NEED THREE FIREFIGHTERS, ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS IN THE CITY? YES. 
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YES. 
          AND AS WE WERE CALLED IN THE CURRENT STAFFING, THERE IS ALREADY TWO OF THESE THREE POSITIONS IN THE STAFFING AND APPROVED. 
          THIS WILL BE WHAT FOLLOW UP WITH ONE FINAL FOR THE COMPLIMENT OF THE REVIEW. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH YOU. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE MENTIONED FOR YOU, WE'RE NOT, AND I THINK WE WANT IF I MAY, SO THIS IS MORE PROCEDURE OVER HERE WITH, UH, MR. SCHIRMER. 
          SO TO CLARIFY YOU GLAD YOU DID IT BECAUSE I DID NOT MOVE HERE TO PASS THAT, BUT MAKING BUDGET INCLUDED TWO, THREE THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT MOLDS FROM 36 TO 39, THREE, THREE INGREDIENTS, AND THEN EVERYTHING'S PRETTY SET FOR THE BUTTON. 
          WE DID NOT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO VERIFY THE CARRY OVER BALANCES AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT CAPITAL FIND BALANCE TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE WANT TO BEGIN TO SPEND OUT IN THE FORMER. 
          IT ALSO FACTORS IN THE MINIMAL SPEND OUT FORM OF THE FACTORS IN BRINGING THESE POSITIONS ON LATER ON IN THE YEAR. 
          THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T FIND THEM AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE HAD NO INTENTION OF HIGHER THAN THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. 
          NOT HOWEVER THE REVENUE IS. 
          SO THERE WILL BE YES, THERE, THERE WILL BE A REAPPROPRIATION OF THAT REVENUE. 
          THE REVENUE IS COMING IN WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM, OR, UH, OR, UH, ASKED TO INCREASE IN ANY AREAS OF REVENUE IT'S ALREADY ALL THERE. 
          AND SO WHEN HE SAID THE TWO OF THEM, THREE THAT'S ABOUT IT, I'M SORRY. 
          I MEANT ACTUAL STAFFING ON THE ORG CHART. 
          SO IT STAFF, BUT THOSE TWO POSITIONS, WE ARE DIGGING INTO THE 2018 YEAR TO DETERMINE FUNDING. 
          WE ADDED THEM WHEN WE WERE APPLYING FOR THE GRANT AND IN ANTICIPATION OF FINDING THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND 20, RATHER THAN REMOVING THEM AND POTENTIALLY PUTTING THEM BACK ON AND LEFT THEM ON CARRYING INTO 2018 TO DETERMINE OUR FINAL DECISION ON THE OPTIONS OF FUNDING. 
          SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 36 FUNDED AND STAFFED AND FILLED WITH FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE WORLD CHART FOR FREE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO, WE NEED TO ADD ONE MORE AS WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 38, WHICH WOULD TAKE IT TO 39 AND WE WILL NEED TO THEN FUND TWO OF THOSE POSITIONS FROM WHENEVER IT IS I COME TO THE WRONG OR SOONER, UM, FINANCIAL PREPARED THAT I THINK WE ARE TALKING TO. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY EARLIER IN THE YEAR FOR THE, FOR THE REDIRECTION OF THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING INTO THE, I THINK THAT WAS THE PART THAT DISCUSSED THAT  IS THAT, UH, SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, WE HAD 36 FUNDED AND STAFFED FIREFIGHTERS, UH, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. 
          AND WE HEARD THE CHIEF SAY, UH, WHEN, UH, MR. LYONS ASKED HIM IF WE NEEDED THREE ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, HE SAID, YES. 
          SO THEN WE MOVED ON TO, UH, THERE WERE CURRENTLY, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE ORG CHART, WE MIGHT HAVE POSITIONS THAT ARE THERE THAT AREN'T FUNDED, BUT THEY'RE ALLOCATED ON THE ACTUAL ORGANIZATION CHART. 
          SO WE HAD 36 STAFF FIREFIGHTERS THAT WERE FUNDED AND BEING PAID FOR AT THE TIME WE KNEW WE NEEDED THREE MORE, BUT IN THE ORGANIZATION CHART, WE HAD 38. 
          SO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IS ADD ONE MORE TO THE ORGANIZATION CHART TO MAKE IT 39. 
          AND THEN IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, THE FUNDING, WHAT IS GOING TO COME IN TO, AND THAT FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN ONE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR BASED ON THE LEGISLATION. 
          UM, SO TWO FIREFIGHTERS WOULD BE HIRED BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST OF 2018. 
          AND THEN THE LEGISLATION SPECIFIED ONE MORE FIREFIGHTER, PARENT MEDIC POSITION HIRED AND STAFF BEFORE APRIL 19. 
          SO THE KEY WAS IN FUNDING, UH, ADDING ONE MORE ADDITIONAL POSITION TO THE ORG CHART, BUT THEN FUNDING THREE, WHICH WAS THE THREE THAT THE CHIEF HAD ASKED FOR TWO OF THOSE FOR 2018, ONE FOR 2019. 
          SO, SO ROBIN, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THAT CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE OR, OR ANYTHING THAT, THAT I JUST DESCRIBED THERE IN TERMS OF, OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE WAY THEY WERE FUNDED? UM, AND, AND TO, AND IF I, IF I HAVEN'T, UM, SO JUST, I GUESS, OR KNOW THERE WE'LL WORK. 
          DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, 
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UM, CHIEF ASHWORTH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU STILL HERE WITH US? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT ARE YOU STILL HERE WITH US? YES, I AM THERE. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE HANGING AROUND, UM, REALLY, I MEAN, TH THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU AND I GUESS ANY OTHER COUNSELOR MAY HAVE IS WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE NEED IN THIS CITY FOR YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT WE ARE FULLY STAFFED OUR CURRENT LEVEL, AND THAT WOULD BE 39. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE CHRONICALLY STAFF WITH 39. 
          SO THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE 41. 
          WOULD YOU HAVE EVER HIRED 41 FIREFIGHTERS? WHEN I MAKE AN ASK FOR PERSONNEL, IT IS IN A GROUP OF THREE THAT BECAUSE WE RUN A 24 HOUR 48, 24 ON 48 HOUR SHIFTS. 
          SO INCENSE ADDING THREE FIREFIGHTERS GIVES ONE POSITION PER EACH SHIFT, ADDING TWO LEAVES, ONE SHIFT, UM, SHORT. 
          AND IN, IN THAT VIDEO, IF YOU REMEMBER, AND AS THE CITY MANAGER REITERATED, UH, WE WERE NOT ONLY ASKING FOR TWO TO FILL TWO UNFUNDED POSITIONS, BUT TO ADD A THIRD SO THAT WE CAN FILL ONE POSITION ON EACH SHIFT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND OUR STAFFING LEVEL AT THAT MEETING WAS 36. 
          SO THE THREE WOULD HAVE GOT US TO 39 AND 39 IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU HANGING AROUND THIS LONG TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          OH, NO PROBLEM. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ISSUES REGARDING, UH, THE AMOUNT OF FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE STAFFED WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WITH WHAT OUR CURRENT LEVEL IS AND THE AMOUNT THAT WAS FUNDED. 
          MR. LYONS, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE NUMBER, UH, DID CHIEF ASHWORTH SAY WE CURRENTLY, WHAT WAS THE CURRENT NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? UH, I BELIEVE HE SAID 39. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S OKAY. 
          HE CAN SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY TO, UH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I BELIEVE WE ARE AT 39 NOW, WHICH IS THE THREE WITCHES, INCLUDING THE THREE FIREFIGHTERS WE AGREED TO HIRE. 
          SO WE'RE FULLY STAFFED AND FULLY FUNDED. 
          I THINK THAT'S TREMENDOUS DUES. 
          THE LAST NUMBERS I RECEIVED FROM STAFF IN 2020, WE HAD 39 FUNDED IN 37 FILLED. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          I THAT'S A, I COULDN'T BE MORE HAPPY WITH THAT MAYOR. 
          UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, TWO MONTHS AGO, I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND, UH, THE ISSUE WAS YES, STAFF, UM, FIREFIGHTERS STAFFING. 
          UH, BUT DURING THAT CONVERSATION, WE WERE TOLD BY STAFF THAT THERE WAS A, UM, FIREFIGHTER, UH, THERE WAS A PROBLEM HIRING FIREFIGHTERS. 
          DID I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY? UH, I THINK WE, WE HAD SOME TYPE OF CONVERSATION AROUND, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES WERE IN HIRING BECAUSE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, IN AN, IN AN OLD INDUSTRY I WAS IN, WE WOULD CALL THE NET FIELD. 
          YOU MAY HIRE THREE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO RETIRE, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER COULD ALWAYS CHANGE. 
          AND THAT MAY HAVE CREATED AN ISSUE WITH HIRING, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LET MR. SCHOMER ADDRESS THAT, UH, OR, OR, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED THERE, CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? YES, SIR. 
          I WOULD. 
          UM, SO WHEN MR. LION SAYS WE ARE FULLY STAFFED CURRENTLY, THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, AND YOU HAVE SOME VACANCIES DUE TO RETIREMENTS. 
          AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A HIRING PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A LIST AND WE ARE DOING BACKGROUNDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT LIKE ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE, WHETHER IT IS ANY OTHER DIVISION IN THE CITY, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT RETIRE. 
          WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT EITHER ARE ON DISABILITY OR LEAVE ON A DISABILITY, OR WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST FLAT OUT AND GO OUT FOR OTHER JOBS. 
          SO IT IS, IT IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO REPLACE AND MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL AT ALL TIMES. 
          BUT AS INDICATED EARLIER, WE ARE, UM, WE ARE AUTHORIZED FOR 39. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN AT 39 SINCE THE AUTHORIZATION, UH, OCCURRED IN 2018, IN 2019. 
          UH, BUT THAT NUMBER DOES FLUCTUATE. 
          SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY REPLACING PERSONNEL FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS CHIEF. 
          SO, SO WE ARE, WE ARE FUNDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FULLY STAFFED MR. SHARMA. 
          YES. 
          UM, REAL QUICK REGARDING THE COMMENTS THAT, UM, THAT I KNOW THAT I MADE AND, AND FOLLOWED UP WITH SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES WE'VE HAD IN MAINTAINING A CONSTANT OF THAT FULLY STAFFED, UM, OF 39. 
          UH, WE DID, I BELIEVE IF THE NUMBER IS RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK WE DID FIVE PROCESSES IN THREE YEARS, UH, IN TIME AND EACH TIME WE TRIED TO IMPROVE AND MODIFY THAT. 
          UH, BUT THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT IS JUST UNIQUE TO US. 
          UH, MANY, UH, ALMOST ON A, IF NOT STATE REGIONAL, MAYBE NATIONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL, PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE PERSONNEL VACANCIES TO FILL, UH, THE CANDIDATE POOL IS A LOT LOWER THAN WHAT IT WAS, LET'S SAY 10, 
          [03:55:01]
12 YEARS AGO. 
          SO IN OUR MOST RECENT EFFORTS, UH, WE MADE SOME, SOME MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES ON THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT IS ALMOST GETTING POSITIONS FILLED OUT OF. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS IN SOME, UH, SOME RECRUITMENT EFFORTS, AS WELL AS UTILIZING, UM, UH, THE EFFORTS OF OUR BACKGROUND SCREENING PROCESS, MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SACRIFICE QUALITY FOR QUANTITY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THEY'RE PERFORMING LIFE SAVING, YOU KNOW, MEASURES, AND WE WANT TO HIRE NOTHING BUT A FUTURE FIRE CHIEF. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HIRE JUST TO FILL, UH, FILL THE BODY. 
          UH, WE HIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE A CAREER AND THAT PERSON FITS THE MOLD FOR DELIVERING THAT CRITICAL SERVICE TO, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UH, YES, WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTIES MAINTAINING THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN ONSET OF RETIREMENTS. 
          WE'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO, UH, EXIT THE FIRE SERVICE, UH, AND THE APPLICANT POOL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY HAS, UH, HAS DIMINISHED AND NO MATTER HOW MANY PROCESSES, RECRUITMENT EFFORTS THAT WE GO, UH, THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT WE HAVE, WHERE IT USED TO BE IN THE HUNDREDS IS NOW DOWN INTO THE TEENS OR TWENTIES, THIRTIES, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, AND OUT OF THAT, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO, THREE POSITIONS TO HIRE, ONCE YOU GET THROUGH SOME SCREENING AND BACKGROUNDS, UM, AS SOON AS WE HIRE ONE, THEN YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO RETIRE. 
          LIKE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A RETIREMENT HERE COMING UP THIS MONTH. 
          SO LUCKILY WE'VE GOT AN ACTIVE LIST THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY BEGIN PROCESSING BACKGROUNDS FOR, AND, UM, UH, BUT THERE'S BEEN TIMES THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY STAFFED. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT AT THAT 39, BUT WE WILL BE SOON. 
          UM, AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO ADD ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ANOTHER RETIREMENT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND THE FLUIDITY OF THE ORGANIZATION AND PEOPLE MOVE OUT AND I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING ORGANIZATION, THOSE ISSUES COME, UH, BUT, UH, WE HAVE 39 FIREFIGHTERS PARAMEDICS STAFF CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WE'VE HAD 39 SINCE 2018. 
          THAT'S WHAT CHIEF ASHWORTH JUST SAID. 
          UH, YEAH, I JUST HAVE TO WAIT. 
          I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, YES, WE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CAUSE THE NUMBERS, THE STAFF GAVE ME FROM 2018, WE HAD 35 FILL 2019. 
          WE HAD 36 FILLED IN 2020. 
          HE HAD 37 FIELDS. 
          SO THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM STAFF IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M HEARING NOW. 
          SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR, I TOLD YOU IN OUR LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER, THAT I WAS DONE TALKING ABOUT STAFF, UM, I'M TALKING TO COUNCIL, UM, DO WE HAVE MAYOR A HIRING PROBLEM IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR FIREFIGHTERS? WHAT'S MY OPINION, BASED ON OUR, UH, ON OUR TEETH AND OUR CITY MANAGER WHO'S EXPERIENCED IN THAT. 
          UM, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IS HAVING. 
          UM, SO WE, WE HAVE A, THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF FUNDED POSITIONS AND BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE THAT I CAN TELL, UH, EVERY EFFORT IS BEING MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, SO WE HEARD THOSE OTHER TWO. 
          AND NOW AS MR. SCHUMER MENTIONED THE THIRD, BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER RETIREMENT COMING UP. 
          SO, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A, A PROBLEM IF THE PROBLEM EXISTS IS AS MR. SCHUMER JUST SAID, IT'S ON A STATE AND MAYBE EVEN A NATIONAL LEVEL, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM THAT IS THE HEBREW HEIGHTS. 
          THE OTHER THING, NOTHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAUSE STAFF TOLD US TWO MONTHS AGO WE HAD A HIRING PROBLEM. 
          AND THEN THE ISSUE WAS, WELL, IF WE DOUBLED OUR HUMAN RESOURCES AND WE LOWERED THE STANDARDS, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT COMMENT BEING MADE. 
          AND SO THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS, AND I CAN FINISH UP HERE SHORTLY, I THINK, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS YOUR OPINION THAT THERE WAS A SHELL GAME BEING PLAYED FROM STAFF. 
          DID I UNDERSTAND THAT QUOTE? I DIDN'T GET IT FIRSTHAND, BUT DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? WAS THAT YOUR OPINION OR WAS I TOLD WRONG? NOPE. 
          NOPE. 
          I NEVER SAID THERE WAS A SHELL GAME. 
          I WAS, THERE WAS NO NEED TO SAY ANYTHING MORE. 
          YOU SAID, NO, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE. 
          UM, LAST THING, MAYOR, UM, CAN I HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL IF THEY FEEL THAT WE HAVE A STAFFING PROBLEM OR, I MEAN, A HIRING PROBLEM WITH FIRE OR IF THEY THINK IT'S A SHELL GAME I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WEIGHING IN, UH, MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MIRA. 
          UM, YEAH, I WILL WEIGH IN ON THIS. 
          I WANT TO, BECAUSE IT IS AND HAS 
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BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT EVEN, UM, LITERATURE THAT'S BEEN POSTED BY NLC AND OTHER MUNICIPAL GROUPS, THE HIRING OF FIREFIGHTERS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A CRISIS AND HAS BEEN FOR, UM, MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, THERE. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO SAY IT IN FAIRNESS, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED AND, AND CLARIFIED THAT THE STATEMENT MADE ABOUT LOWERING STANDARDS OR TRIPLING OUR HR DEPARTMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU WAS PURELY AND JUST, IT WAS, I TOOK IT, IT WAS QUITE SATIRICAL. 
          UH, THERE WAS NO, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INTENTION OF THAT BEING TAKEN LITERALLY. 
          BUT TO, TO ELABORATE ON YOUR POINT, IT IS A NATIONAL CRISIS TO THE POINT WHERE A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, LARGE MUNICIPALITIES ARE PAYING HEADHUNTERS, THEY'RE GOING OUT AND DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GET THE PEOPLE, EVEN THAT WE HAVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, TO TRY AND COERCE THEM INTO COMING TO THEIR MUNICIPALITIES AND SERVING ON THEIR DEPARTMENTS. 
          IT'S THAT DIRE OF A SITUATION AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, UM, KATE, UH, BAKER BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING IDEA THAT I THINK THE COUNCIL DOES NEED TO CONSIDER, AND THAT IS WHAT W COULD WE DO TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME TO HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          IS THERE, UH, PAYING FOR TRAINING? IS THERE, UM, AND KATE, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND ELABORATE ON THAT, SHE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE SLIP OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE ARE GOOD IDEAS. 
          THIS PROBLEM IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. 
          THE PANDEMIC HAS MADE IT, UM, MULTIPLIED BY, BY SEVERAL TIMES THERE IS A DIRE SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED FIREFIGHTERS OUT THERE, UM, AS THERE IS, AND, UM, QUALIFIED, UH, NURSES, MEDICAL FIELD, EVERYTHING, BUT THIS IS THE, UH, COVID VIRUSES EXACERBATED THE PROBLEM. 
          SO YEAH, THERE ISN'T A NATIONAL PROBLEM THAT GOOD QUALITY FIREFIGHTERS ARE AT A PREMIUM, HARD TO COME BY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM OKAY. 
          SO MRS. BERG HAD HER HAND UP AS WELL, BUT DON, SINCE YOU HAD ASKED KATHLEEN SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING, UH, NANCY, IF YOU WOULD MIND, I'M GONNA LET KATHLEEN SPEAK AND THEN I'LL GO. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO YOU MS. VERGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MATT. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WEBB. 
          UM, I JUST GAVE THE INPUT OF LIKE, WE'RE HAVING A SHORTAGE, WHICH LIKE TRUCK DRIVERS AND NURSES. 
          I THINK FIREMAN, ESPECIALLY THIS LAST YEAR, THIS COVID AGE THERE DUBLIN HAS PARAMEDICS AND EMT AND FIRE FIGHTING FIRES AND HELPING PEOPLE JUST AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE CAR ACCIDENTS, WE CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THEM. 
          UM, MY INITIAL IDEA WAS TO, HEY, CAN WE START SOMEBODY FROM HIGH SCHOOL GOING INTO THE PATH OF FIREFIGHTING SCHOOL, HELP SOMEBODY WHO'S THERE AND MAYBE PAY RETENTION BONUSES FOR WHO IS THERE IN THE, THOSE ARE JUST MY IDEAS, BUT I'M OPEN TO SOME OTHERS TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, I COULD SEE THAT AS BEING SIMILAR TO OUR POLICE EXPLORER PROGRAM AND, UM, THE CITY MANAGER PROBABLY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE SOME, UM, OFFICERS ON OUR FORCE RIGHT NOW THAT WENT THROUGH THE POLICE EXPLORER PROGRAM. 
          SO I THINK KATE'S GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR SURE. 
          WITH MS. BERTRAND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB, THIS IS BIRCH. 
          DID YOU EVER HAVE COMMENTS? I DO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SOMETHING I LIKE TO CONFIRM WITH, UH, WITH ROB, I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE SAME POINT ABOUT THE EXPLORER PROGRAM ROBBER. 
          I IS THAT PROGRAM AT RISK WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAD HEARD RUMORS THAT IT WAS, AND I, AND I WAS HOPING THAT THAT WASN'T TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, NOT THAT I HAVE HEARD, UM, I CAN CHECK AND CONFIRM, BUT, UH, IF, IF IT WOULD BE AT RISK, IT COULD BE BECAUSE OF, UH, A LACK OF, OF INTEREST, UM, UH, AND OR MAYBE SOME CHANGES FROM THE, UM, ORGANIZATIONAL SPONSOR BEING THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I, IT, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AND THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TO ASSIST IN, IN, IN, IN SHARING THIS FUTURE, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING TO ENTERTAIN. 
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THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I AGREE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ONE FOR, I HAVE ONE FOR CHIEF BASH WORK BEFORE IT GOES AWAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, LIKE TO, UH, SEND ALONG OUR APPRECIATION, UH, FOR THE WONDERFUL DISPLAY THAT, UH, THAT STATION 21 PUT UP FOR CHRISTMAS, THAT IT WAS MOST APPRECIATED AND THEY KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE BALLPARK. 
          I'LL BE SURE TO PASS THAT ON. 
          I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM. 
          THEY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. 
          YES, THEY DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM UH, MAYOR. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, COUNCILMAN WEBB AND COUNCIL WOMAN BAKER, UM, WHICH IS VERY POSITIVE TO ME. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WOMAN BIRCH, UH, WEIGHED IN WITH HER OPINION, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY CONSIDER THIS TO BE, UM, A HIRING PROBLEM OR NOT. 
          SO, BECAUSE I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE THREE VOTES, IF I CAN GET TWO MORE SUPPORTERS ON COUNCIL THAT THINKS THE HIRING PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THE CITY FOR FIREFIGHTERS IS IMPORTANT, THEN WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 
          MR. OTTO. 
          YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND WEIGH IN. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I TRUST THE CHIEF ASHWORTH IN SAYING THAT HE BELIEVES THAT, UH, WE'RE WE'RE STAFFED PROPERLY AND, AND ABLE TO HANDLE OUR BUSINESS. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES IN, IN EVERY BUSINESS WITH TURNOVER AND RETENTION. 
          I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU CYCLED THROUGH EMPLOYEES OVER TIME. 
          IT JUST HAPPENS. 
          UM, I THINK WE DO A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING OUR LEVELS, UH, TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN MANAGE OUR CITY AND DO A GOOD JOB. 
          AND, AND UNTIL THE CHIEF SAYS, WE GOTTA HAVE HIM AND FINANCE SAYS WE CAN AFFORD THEM. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE? WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM COUNCILMAN SHAW AND, UH, CAMPBELL AND HILL. 
          AND I'M STILL WAITING ON COUNCILWOMAN BOURGES YES OR NO. 
          IT WAS JUST LAYING ON OPINION. 
          MR. CAMPBELL LEFT THE MEETING AT 10. 
          HE SAYS BIRTHDAY TONIGHT. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WISH HIM HAPPY BIRTHDAY IN THE MEETING. 
          SO, SO I WILL JUST SAY RATHER THAN, UH, RATHER THAN AN INTERROGATION FEEL OF OUR COUNCIL, IF, IF MRS. BERGE OR MR. HILL HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, UH, THE IN AND IF NOT, THEN, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SINCE I'VE BEEN ASKED TO WEIGH IN, I DON'T HAVE, UM, I THINK  HAS DONE VERY WELL IN, IN STAFFING HIS PEOPLE. 
          AND I'M, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, CHANGING POLICY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT OR ADDRESSING POLICY UNTIL OUR NEW FIRE CHIEF GETS IN POSITION. 
          AND I THINK AS A, AS A COUNSELOR, WE NEED TO LET THE NEW CHIEF KNOW THAT IF, IF HE NEEDS ANY HELP, UH, IN, IN INCENTIVIZING OR WHATEVER ELSE IS NECESSARY, THAT WE STAND READY TO ASSIST HIM MR. HILL. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          UM, I FEEL THAT IF THE CHIEF IS SAYING THAT 39 IS GOOD AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT, THEN WE SHOULD STAY AT THAT UNTIL WE GET A NEW CHIEF AND THEN THEY COME TO US AND SAY, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HILL AND MR. BERG. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, JUST ONE MORE THING, UM, REALIZING THAT, UM, STAFF TOLD US WE HAD A HIRING PROBLEM AND ONLY A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS PLUS MYSELF AGREED WITH THAT. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE WILL TO MOVE FORWARD OR FIX THAT AS A COUNCIL. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH I'M EXTREMELY, UM, UH, JUST, JUST EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PUT INTO WORDS HOW DISAPPOINTED I AM IN THIS COUNCIL. 
          UH, I DO WANT TO THANK ROB. 
          I WANT TO THANK STAFF, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH, UM, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR RETIREMENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE REST OF COUNCIL FOR THEIR PATIENTS AS I'VE BROUGHT THIS ISSUE FORWARD. 
          COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN, 
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UH, EVEN THOUGH I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS DECISION OF DOING NOTHING, UM, THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          NEXT UP IS ITEM 
          [  Essential Business Resolution]
THREE CAKE, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL BUSINESS RESOLUTION, MR. SCHIRMER. 
          UH, YES. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, UH, MAYOR YOU AND I HAVE HAD SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS REGARDING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AS WE COME OUT OF READDRESS REEVALUATE, UH, EITHER HIGHER OR LEVEL OF ORDERS, UH, REGULATIONS, GUIDANCE, ADVICE, ET CETERA, FROM, UH, EITHER THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE STATE GOVERNMENT, UH, ET CETERA, AND TAKE ANOTHER MEASURE. 
          UM, AS THIS COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED IN ACTIONS OF FIXED STANDING SIGNAGE, UH, OUTDOOR DINING SPACES, OUR BUY LOCAL CAMPAIGN, ET CETERA, UH, WHICH I THINK SHOWED GREAT BENEFIT. 
          UM, SO A RESULT OF THAT WAS FORMULATING AND, UH, AND WORKING WITH SOME OTHERS TO COME UP WITH THE ESSENTIAL BUSINESS RESOLUTION, UH, BASICALLY ALLOWING THE CITY TO PROCLAIM THAT, UH, ALL BUSINESSES AND ALL JOBS, UH, ARE ESSENTIAL KIND OF, UM, UH, ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT THAT IF WE HAVE TO ADDRESS REGULATIONS THAT WE DON'T LABEL BUSINESSES AS ESSENTIAL OR NON-ESSENTIAL BECAUSE, UH, AS, AS YOU'VE SAID, AS WE'VE, WE'VE ALL HEARD AND TALKED ABOUT, UH, IF ANY JOB PUTS FOOD ON SOMEBODY'S TABLE, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIAL AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE TO, UH, TO, TO NECESSARILY CREATE THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORIZATION. 
          UH, THAT'S KIND OF A SYNOPSIS OF A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD. 
          UH, THIS COUNCIL, AGAIN, AS I SAID, HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THIS RESOLUTION IS A MOVEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT CONTINUES TO PLEDGE THAT SUPPORT OF ALL WORKERS, ALL BUSINESSES, UH, IN ANY EFFORTS THAT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO MAINTAIN THEIR ABILITY TO SAFELY OPERATE UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF, UH, OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONS, CDC, ET CETERA, UH, TO CREATE THE BENEFIT OF JOBS, CREATE THE BENEFIT OF THE SERVICES EQUALLY FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND, UM, THE LANGUAGE WITHIN IT KIND OF SPELLS ALL THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS OUT. 
          THANK YOU, RON. 
          IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN FRUSTRATING TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LABELING PEOPLE, ESSENTIALLY, THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT THIS BROUGHT UP. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IF I HEAR THAT THERE'S SUCH BUSINESS THAT'S OPEN, SO THOSE EMPLOYEES TO CONTINUE TO WORK, UM, SOMEBODY ELSE ISN'T ESSENTIAL IN SURFACE, IT'S GLORIFYING, MINIMIZING ALL THE PAPERWORK AND BEING ABLE TO GO WORK, LIVING WITH A PAYCHECK AND BODY AND CLOTHING FOR THEIR FAMILY. 
          BECAUSE LOOK, I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT SHUT DOWN THE CITY, YOU NEED TO SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT IS GOING TO FIX IT. 
          AND I JUST, I JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE EVEN WHEN AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, AT A STATE LEVEL, WHEN THEY, UH, TALK ABOUT A NATIONWIDE OR A STATEWIDE LOCKDOWN, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WORK BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE LABELED ESSENTIAL PEOPLE. 
          AND I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST, UH, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT'S JUST A VERY SHORT VIEW OF, OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AND PEOPLE WHO OWN BUSINESSES HERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UH, THIS RESOLUTION, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT SUPERSEDES STATE OR FEDERAL LAW, BUT I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, TO LET STATE LEADERS KNOW. 
          AND EVEN THE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS KNOW OTHER MAYORS, OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COUNSELORS KNOW THAT LOOKS IN HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE WHO GOES TO WORK TO EARN MONEY, TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND PROVIDE SHELTER FOR THEIR FAMILIES, UH, IS AN ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEE. 
          AND, AND IS, IF, IF THEY'RE A BUSINESS THAT'S PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO EARN A PAYCHECK TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY, THEN THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, IN THE KIND OF THE, UH, THOUGHT AGAIN, AS YOU HAD SAID, AND THE REAL KIND OF CHARACTER BEHIND THIS RESOLUTION, AND, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AGREEING TO, UH, PASS THIS RESOLUTION SO WE CAN AT LEAST LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE STAND AND WE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD, MR. WEBB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM OH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, 
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THE RESOLUTION IS WELL-WRITTEN, UM, I HEARD YOU USE THE WORD TERM, BUT IT IS HEARTWARMING, UH, BECAUSE IT MEANS A LOT TO, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FACING THIS BATTLE EVERY DAY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE SHOWING UP FOR WORK AND DOING THEIR JOBS. 
          SO I APPRECIATED THE LANGUAGE IN IT. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE THIS, OF COURSE, CAN'T SUPERSEDE SOMETHING THAT THE STATE SENDS DOWN ON US REGARDING THEIR DEFINITION OF ESSENTIAL AND WHO GETS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATE MANDATED CURFEW. 
          THIS DOESN'T SUPERSEDE THAT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR JEREMY MCDONALD, BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT STATEMENT BY OUR CITY, FOR OUR PEOPLE. 
          AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAD SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, AROUND THAT. 
          AND JERRY, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CHIME IN HERE, BUT THAT WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY WASN'T GOING TO BE LIABLE. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO, HEY, NO, THE CITY, SO I CAN GO TO WORK AND CLEARLY IN A DIRECT OPPOSITION TO WHAT A STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINE WOULD BE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, I THINK THE RESOLUTION WAS PREPARED WITH THE PROPER LANGUAGE THAT, UH, THAT PROTECTS US, BUT STILL GETS OUR POINT ACROSS VERY CLEARLY. 
          MR. MCDONALD, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY? UM, IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE THE FEDERAL LOCAL OR HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SHAW. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UM, CAN, UM, I KNOW YOURSELF OR THE CITY MANAGER, TELL ME WHO AUTHORED THIS RESOLUTION? UM, UH, I DID PRETTY MUCH. 
          YEP. 
          SO I, I GUESS, I GUESS I GOT TWO QUESTIONS, UM, FOLLOWED UP OR FIRST A COMMENT AND THEN A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          AM I AT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BASIS OF THIS RESOLUTION IS TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THOSE THAT ARE WORKING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR REGION? CORRECT. 
          THAT IS THE PREMISE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          DID, AT ANY TIME WE REACH OUT TO THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR THE DAYTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, FOR ANY INPUT OR REVIEW OF THIS RESOLUTION? UH, IN, IN FACT, PAT REACHED OUT TO MR. BRUNS AT BROOK CHAMBER AND, UH, HE, HE WAS APPRECIATIVE AND IT WAS APPRECIATIVE THAT HE GOT BACK WITH ME AND I'VE INVITED HIM TO THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON MONDAY WHERE HOPEFULLY THIS RESOLUTION PASSES AND I'LL BE READING THE MAYORAL PROCLAMATION. 
          SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. BRUNS. 
          PERFECT. 
          PERFECT. 
          I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND DID WE HAPPEN TO REACH OUT TO THE DAYTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, ADVISE THEM OF THIS RESOLUTION FOR ADDITIONAL COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE DATE? NO, NO, I, I, I MET ROBIN. 
          I HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS. 
          IT WAS, UM, IT WAS, WE KIND OF HOPED THIS WOULD BE A CATALYST. 
          UM, WE'VE EXPERIENCED THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC, LOTS OF DIFFERENT POLICIES AND THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AT THE CITY THAT, UH, MAY, AND YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, START CHECKING OFF THE LIST OF OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE, UM, KIND OF FOLLOWED OUR LEAD ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT WE HAVE DONE. 
          AND, AND THERE ARE CONVERSATION, I THINK IT WAS KIND OF AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ALSO KIND OF TAKE PLACE. 
          UM, WE HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, UH, MR. SHAW, MAYBE YOU HAVE, UM, HAVE HAD, OR HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A DATE AND CHAMBER. 
          UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT SOMEBODY THAT I NORMALLY WOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO BECAUSE THEY'RE CITY OF DAYTON. 
          UM, UH, ANYTIME I'VE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS BEEN, UH, HAS BEEN OUR LOCAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          AND, UH, LAST WEEK I, I SPOKE TO, UH, MR. BRUNS AND, UH, HE SAID, HE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE HERE AT OUR COUNSELING ON MONDAY WHEN HOPEFULLY COUNCIL PASSES A RESOLUTION. 
          SURE. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, I DO HAVE THAT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS THAT THE DAYTON CHAMBER AND THE NORTHERN CHAMBER ALLIANCE. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS RESOLUTION IF CONSIDERED AND PASSED ON MONDAY TO THOSE ENTITIES, AS WELL AS, UH, THE FIRST TIER SUBURBS ORGANIZATION, UH, WHICH IS, UM, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE 13 COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND THE CITY OF DAYTON, UM, FOR A PROMOTION AND A HOPEFULLY CONSIDERATION, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR REGION. 
          YEAH, MR. SHAW, I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, IT WILL BECOME A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. 
          AND I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO CAN GET THIS IN THE HANDS OF OTHER LOCAL PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT AND HOW, UH, AND THE DECISIONS THAT OUR STATE MAKES I THINK IS, UH, IS 100%. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD 
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ADD IN REGARD TO REACHING OUT TO OTHERS, UH, I WAS HAVING, AS I, AS I DO REGULARLY CONVERSATION WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, ABOUT, UM, AT THE TIME SOME PENDING STATE LEGISLATION THAT, UH, THAT COULD HAVE AFFECTED SOME, SOME THINGS. 
          AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, UM, AND I MENTIONED TO HIM OF OUR INTEREST IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND WE WERE DEVELOPING IT. 
          AND, UH, HE IS, UH, ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN JOINING, IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND SEEING ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING SIMILARLY PASSED ON AND CATALYZED INTO THE STATE HOUSE, UH, FOR AT LEAST HIS DISTRICT TO SO, UH, TO, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON, YOU KNOW, SHARING THIS IDEA OUT. 
          I THINK THAT WE, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN, AND I THINK THAT, UM, IT WILL GROW, UH, INTEREST IN SUPPORT. 
          YEP. 
          AND MR. SHARMA. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          I, IT, UM, I, I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, OUR STATE REP AND, AND HIS SUPPORT OF THIS AND OUR CONVERSATIONS. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, I JUST GOT SIDETRACKED WITH MR. SHAW ASKED THE CHAMBER. 
          UM, I KNEW I I'D SPOKEN TO, UM, TO MR. BRUINS, SO I GOT SIDETRACKED THERE, BUT YES, THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. 
          SO I THINK THIS, UH, I THINK COUNCIL ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, UH, CERTAINLY CAN GO A LONG WAY AND, AND DRUMMING UP SUPPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SHUTDOWNS DON'T WORK. 
          IT HURTS PEOPLE AND, AND ANYBODY WHO'S WORKING TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY IS ESSENTIAL. 
          MS. BAKER, I ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO GOING WITH MR. SEAN, MR. OTTO, THAT COMMITTEE. 
          SO I'D BE THRILLED TO TAKE THAT TO HIM. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU ARE A VIEWER ON THAT. 
          I'M PART OF THE FIRST-YEAR SUBURBS AS WELL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE ESSENTIAL BUSINESS RESOLUTION? I'M SORRY. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SHARING THIS OUT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, UH, WITH EITHER MEMBERS OF FIRST-YEAR MEMBERS OF MAYORS AND MANAGERS, ET CETERA, IS WE GENERALLY DON'T DO IT UNTIL IT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY COUNCIL HAS BEC YOU KNOW, HAS GETS BEHIND AND SUPPORTS. 
          SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T EXIST YET UNTIL IT'S DELIBERATED AND VOTED ON. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TIME THAT WE REACH OUT IN, IN ENJOINING OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL FORMULATION AND SHARING OF IT, UH, LIKE YOU DID MR. MAYOR WITH MR. BROWN. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND I, AND ACTUALLY IN ROB, I DO, I DO BELIEVE I HEARD MICHELLE SAY THAT AGENDA AFTER MONDAY'S MEETING. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'D BE, I MEAN, THAT BEING THE CASE, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY IN GOOD SHAPE PUNCHES. 
          WE JUST MISSED AN OFFICIAL RESOLUTION. 
          THIS COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED US. 
          SURE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PASS IT ON TO WHOEVER, UM, IF, UH, IF, UH, MR. SHAW NEEDS ASSISTANCE IN DOING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY READY TO DO THAT. 
          WE'LL PRINT OUT EIGHT BY 10 GLOSSIES AND FRAME THEM. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, MR. SCHIRMER, CERTAINLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, DON'T SEE ANY, OR HEAR ANY NEED TO MOVE IN THAT ONTO MONDAY? SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE 
          [  2021 Vice Mayor Nominations]
L, WHICH WAS THE 20, 21 VICE MAYOR NOMINATIONS. 
          SO WE'LL DO THIS, UH, UH, THE SAME WAY WE HAVE HANDLED THIS, UH, EVERY, EVERY YEAR. 
          UH, I WILL START BY ASKING, UH, WHO IS INTERESTED IN BEING THE VICE MAYOR, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, HANDS, UH, MR. WEBB, YOUR HAND WAS UP FIRST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MA'AM UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR VICE NOW. 
          I WOULD BE HONORED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEBB. 
          UH, MRS. BERG, YOUR HAND IS UP NEXT. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE DON WEBB. 
          UH, HE'S EVEN HE'S LEVEL HEADED, EVEN TEMPERED AND VERY CAPABLE OF SERVING AS VICE MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, MS. BIRD AND, UH, MS. RADO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GIVE CONSIDERATION TO RICHARD SHAW AS VICE MAYOR NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          MICHELLE, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION? UM, MR. MAYOR, UH, WITH MY WONDERFUL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR, UH, OUR REGION AND OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BUSINESS COMMUNITY, I DO ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION, AND WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT, UH, UH, SHOE MONDAY FOR A VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SHAW AND MS. BAKER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR DID YOU TAKE IT BACK DOWN? I APOLOGIZE. 
          IT MAY STAY DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          AND, UH, MS. OKAY. 
          AND MS. BIRD, YOUR HAND IS DOWN AS WELL, RIGHT? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 
          [04:25:01]
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS OR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN BEING VICE MAYOR? UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, DON AND RICHARD AT THIS POINT, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO, UH, TONY WE'LL HAVE, UH, UM, THAT COME UP FOR MONDAY'S MEETING FOR THE VOTE ON VICE MAYOR, BUT, UH, BETWEEN DON AND RICHARD NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE 
          [  2021 Rules of Council]
M FINALLY, IT'S OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE 20, 21 RULES OF COUNCIL. 
          SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PROPOSED CHANGES OR REVIEWED THOSE OR, UH, AT THIS POINT WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS THIS EVENING OR BRING UP SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER IN ANOTHER WORK SESSION? UH, MS. BERG? YEAH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT, UH, OUR REMOTE MEETING, UM, PROCESS, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO ON FOR SEVERAL MORE MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MR. MACDONALD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT YOU LOOK INTO OR TONY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT AND ADD TO IT FOR US TO REVIEW? I COULD, UH, TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT AND, UH, CONSULT MR. MCDONALD IS APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, UH, JUST RIGHT NOW ABOUT THAT, MR. SHAW, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, I'M STILL OF THE BELIEF THAT, UM, OUR COUNCIL NEEDS TO RECONVENE IN PERSON. 
          UM, I WOULD OBJECT TO PUTTING ANYTHING IN OUR RULES OF COUNCIL FOR THAT. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BAIT THAT FURTHER IF NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS TO 20, 21 RULES OF COUNSEL? OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT ONLY YOU CAN TAKE THE LEAD, UH, PROPOSE SOMETHING, DO KIND OF THE LINE ITEMS, ADDITIONS, AND THE RULES OF COUNCIL, UH, AND YOU KNOW, JERRY VERIFY THAT, AND THEN THAT'LL BE SOMETHING, UM, CAN THEN I THINK THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. 
          WE CAN JUST ADD THAT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT THERE TO SEE WHETHER THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD OR IF WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MS. BERT, IS YOUR HAND STILL UP OR, UH, THEY'RE BAD? UM, WELL, IT'S AN I, UH, TONIGHT WAS DEFINITELY A MARATHON, UH, ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF HOURS, BUT, UH, IT WAS A BIG AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR ALWAYS IS THERE'S LOTS OF ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. 
          UH, SO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LONG AND IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, WE GOT THROUGH A LOT, UH, ACCOMPLISHED A LOT AND, UH, CLARIFIED A LOT. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. 
          I'M NUMBER FOUR IS A GERMAN. 
          YOU GUYS DO A GREAT NIGHT AND, UH, WE ASSUME, SEE YOU MONDAY. 
          GOODBYE GUYS. 
          YES, EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          THERE'S A NATIONAL VIEW QUICK ONE.
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