* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING OKAY. I'VE KIND OF WRAPPED UP A WEEK. I GOT THE COVID NOW, SO, OH, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT. I'VE KIND OF ON THE REBOUND. I, I TESTED POSITIVE LAST WEEK, BUT UH, HAD A COUPLE OF ROUGH DAYS, BUT, UH, THE, UM, SYMPTOMS HAVE KIND OF GONE AWAY AND, UM, THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT BY THE CRITERIA THAT I'M, I'LL BE CLEARED AS NON-CONTAGIOUS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, SO, OKAY. SO I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE IT AS BAD AS SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAD. [2. Approval of Minutes] SO DO YOU TAKE ANOTHER TEST THEN AND ESTABLISH AMITY? I ASKED THAT THINKING THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS, BUT THEY SAID NOW, BECAUSE I GUESS FOR UP TO THREE MONTHS AFTER YOU'VE BEEN POSITIVE, THEY SAID THAT YOU CAN STILL, IF YOU TAKE A TEST, IT STILL MIGHT COME OUT AS POSITIVE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT CONTAGIOUS ANYMORE. OKAY. SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES ONE KNOW IF THEY ARE CONTAGIOUS? WELL, THEY SAID THAT YOU GO BY THE CDC GUIDELINES. SO TO KNOW THAT AFTER IF YOU'VE HAD A TASK, A POSITIVE OR YOU SHOW SYMPTOMS, THEN YOU [ Oath Of Office - Don Webb] HAVE TO QUARANTINE AND ISOLATE FOR 14 DAYS. AND IF YOU'VE DONE THAT AND YOUR SYMPTOMS ARE DECREASING, EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T GONE AWAY AND YOU HAVE NO FEVER WITHOUT THE USE OF MEDICATION, THEN THEY CONSIDER YOU RECOVERED. UH, OKAY. FEEL IT BETTER. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING FOR US TONIGHT AS FAR AS LIKE THE, WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH OR, YOU KNOW, THE FORMAT FOR THE MEETING OR NO, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY WHAT I DID WAS I LOOKED AT THE, THE NOTES FROM THE 2011 OR 2010, UH, AND LOOKED AT WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MADE SOME NOTES ON, UH, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TONIGHT, I THINK THAT THE ONE THING THAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THIS WAS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, HELLO, HELLO. HI. UH, I WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY, CITY ATTORNEY LOOKS AT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEFINITIONS CAN STILL COMPLY WITH THE, UH, HIGHER ADVICE CODE. RIGHT. AND I GOT SOME NOTES ON A FEW ITEMS AS WELL, SO I'M JUST GOING TO HIDE [ City Code - Part One - Administrative Code - Review - Title One - General Provisions - Title Three - Legislative - Title Five - Administrative] FOR A FEW MINUTES. OKAY. NOT A PROBLEM. WE'LL GET STARTED RIGHT AT SIX 30, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A COURTROOM AND THEN I'LL NEED TO SQUARE IN ON. RIGHT. I'M ASSUMING HE'S GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT OR BE ON HERE EITHER INDICATED WHEN I TALKED TO HIM THE OTHER DAY THAT HE WOULD BE HERE, SO, OKAY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE IT'S WORN HIM IN DURING THE INTERIM. I HAVE NOT. I HAVE NOT BEEN ON SITE. SO LIKE WE HAVE JERRY, JOHN, BRIAN, JIM, AND ME, WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, THREE OTHERS, GLEN DON, AND, UH, TOM OR, UH, JOSEPH, ANDREW . WE DID HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT WITH THE LIVE STREAM. SO, UH, WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE THE WORK SESSION FROM LAST NIGHT TO TOMORROW NIGHT. UM, SO, UH, THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPAIRED IT. I'M LOOKING AT THE LIVE STREAM NOW. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S, UH, WORKING. SO HOPEFULLY THAT CONTINUES FOR THEM. OKAY. TECHNOLOGY IS WONDERFUL AND IT WORKS THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, UH, WITH US NOT HAVING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, THE LIVE STREAM IS THAT THE METHOD BY WHICH WE PERMIT PUBLIC ACCESS, WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEN WE CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING. DARN SUNSHINE LAW. YEAH. [00:05:27] HOW'S EVERYBODY ELSE DOING? WONDERFUL. HOW ABOUT STAYING SAFE? TRYING TO HERE'S GLEN. HI, GLEN. GLEN. . HELLO, GOOD EVENING. SO, JEREMY, I THINK WE'RE JUST MISSING JOSEPH AT THIS POINT. AND, UM, KAREN IS OUT AT CITY HALL AND HAS INDICATED TO ME SHE'LL, UH, START THE RECORDING, UH, UM, IN A MINUTE OR TWO. SO, UH, WE'LL BE READY TO GO AT THAT POINT AND JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN GET STARTED OKAY, JIM, WE'RE UP AND RUNNING WHENEVER YOU WANT TO START. OKAY. UM, CALL THE MEETING, THE MEETING OF THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, NOVEMBER 18, 2020. IT'S A SIX 30, UH, TONY, IF YOU COULD CALL THE, UH, ROLL, MR. ALICE HERE, MR. . MR. HENDRIX HERE, MR. MR. KITCHEN FIGURE MUTED HERE. MR. OTTO HERE, MR. WAMSLEY HERE, MR. WEBB HERE. OKAY. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WHICH, UH, TONY SENT OUT ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO. I HOPE EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM. UH, AND AT THIS TIME I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. UH, JEREMY WENT SUFFICE TO [00:10:01] JUST, UM, SAY THE MINUTES STAND IS APPROVED. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES? OKAY. SEEING NONE THEN WILL, UH, THEY WILL BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. UM, I GUESS THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DON. WE NEED TO GET YOU SWORN IN. SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD TAKE OVER AND DO THAT HONOR. OKAY. UH, DON, IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME, I CAN STATE YOUR NAME. HI, STATE YOUR NAME, SORRY, TONY. I COULDN'T HELP ALL ON. WELL, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU SAW HIM AND SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES? THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, THE CHARTER, AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CHARTER AND ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND A LOT OF WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE, DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES. SO HELP ME GOD. SO HELP ME. GOD. CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME ABOARD. THANKS. OKAY. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, IT'S A BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, BASICALLY TONIGHT, I THINK BEFORE US ARE, UH, THREE PARTS OF, OR THREE TYPE TITLES UNDER PART ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. AND, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BASICALLY. I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO IS, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH SECTION AND TO THE EXTENT THAT ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR INPUT, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM AS WE GO THROUGH. UM, I'M ANTICIPATING THAT PROBABLY MAJORITY OF THE STUFF IN THESE SECTIONS, UH, PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF COMMENT OR QUESTIONS. UH, IT'S MORE ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE. UM, BUT I'VE HAD SOME FEW ISSUES. WHAT I DID WAS I LOOKED IN THE PACKET THAT, UH, TONY HAD SUBMITTED BASED ON WHAT THE REPORT WAS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE OR THE REVIEW COMMITTEE COMMITTEE BACK IN 2011, TO SEE WHAT COMMENTS WERE, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIONS WERE RECOMMENDED VAN, UM, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT REALLY RECREATING THE HORSE TO SOME EXTENT. UM, SO STARTING WITH SECTION ONE OH 1.1 IS JUST THE DESIGNATION CITATION OF HEADINGS THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEADINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, UH, INFORMATIONAL ONLY. AND IT'S THE BODY AND CONTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE LAW. AND SO UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANY INPUT ON THAT SECTION, WE CAN KIND OF PUT THAT ONE TO BED, I THINK. ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANY COMMENTS, UM, SECTION ONE OH 1.02, JUST THE GENERAL DEFINITIONS. THE ONLY THING I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD DO WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, JERRY MCDONALD, THE CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THE DEFINITIONS TO MAKE SURE CAUSE ALL THESE DEFINITIONS ARE TIED TO SECTIONS OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE. AND I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT OUR DEFINITIONS BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE PARTICULAR PROVISIONS IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HIGH REVISED CODE HASN'T CHANGED IN SUCH A WAY SO THAT OUR DEFINITIONS AND THE CODES DEFINITIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL ARE DIFFERENT. UM, YOU KNOW, ABSENT THERE BEING ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN THAT REGARD. I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY DEFINITIONS, UH, NEED TO BE CHANGED. UM, I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE DEFINITIONS. IT'S IT'S STYLISTIC STUFF, I GUESS, OR GRAMMAR. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS STUFF, HOW MUCH WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, BUT UH, IN PUBLIC PLACE, THERE'S A WORD SCHOOL YARD. THAT'S TECHNICALLY, THAT'S ONE WORD NOT TO, UM, UM, BE CURIOUS IF THIS IS COPIED FROM OHIO REVISED CODE, HOW THEY DO THAT. AND ON A, UM, LATER ON WITH THIS STREET INCLUDES ALLEYS STREET IS SINGULAR, WHEREAS ALLEYS, AVENUES, BOULEVARDS, AND ALL THAT IS PLURAL. NORMALLY [00:15:01] YOU'D WANT THOSE TO MATCH UP ONE TO BE SINGULAR. SO A STREET, WOULD IT INCLUDE AN ALLEY, AN AVENUE, A BOULEVARD VERSUS, OR STREETS ARE TO INCLUDE ALLEYS AVENUES BOULEVARDS. OKAY. BUT YEAH, YEAH. I WILL HAVE THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, REVIEW THE DEFINITIONS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT ALSO AN ATTORNEY WITH, UH, WITH MUNI CODE, OUR CODIFICATION PROVIDER, THEY DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF ANY CHANGES TO THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON, UH, AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT. SO THERE'S THAT SECOND LAYER OF REVIEW THAT ALSO TAKES PLACE ON AN ONGOING BASIS IN REGARDS TO THAT. UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT IT. UH, GENERALLY THESE DEFINITIONS ARE VERBATIM FROM THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND WE, WE JUST, UH, INCORPORATE THEIR, THEIR, UH, DEFINITIONS BY WRAPPER AND EXACTLY AS THEY STAND IN THE CODE. OKAY. YEAH. ONE OTHER 0.2 AND ONE OH 1.3 UNDER A B WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT SINGULAR AND PLURAL THAT THEY'RE INTERCHANGEABLE. SO SPEEDS STREET WOULD BE, YEAH, YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING AGAIN, LIKE THE SINGLE SENTENCE DRAMATICALLY. YOU WOULDN'T SAY LIKE SCHOOLS, I DON'T KNOW YOU WOULDN'T YOU TO, UH, ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HERE. UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF, IF WE MIGHT WANT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITIONS COULD, I KNOW WE REVIEW THEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BUT THE DEFINITIONS AT SAY LEVEL COULD CHANGE DURING THE YEAR. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, UH, POSSIBLY ADD A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT OUR DEFINITIONS WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY AMENDED TO REFLECT ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT OCCUR AT THE STATE LEVEL IN THE SAME DEFINITION, IF, IF OUR DEFINITIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IDENTICAL TO THE STATE AND SAY THE STATE WOULD CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF WHATEVER, UM, DO WE WANT DO, I MEAN, CAUSE OTHERWISE THERE COULD BE A PERIOD OF TIME DURING THE COURSE OF A YEAR WHERE OUR DEFINITION AND THE STATE'S DEFINITION AREN'T THE SAME. AND DO WE WANT TO COVER THAT? WOULD WE WANT TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THAT LOOKED AT AND POSSIBLY COVERED? WE COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE IF THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE, UH, LOCAL DEFINITION AND STATE DEFINITION THAT STATE WOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE. I LIKE THAT THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THERE. THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AMENDING OUR CODE EVERY TIME THAT THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE STATEWIDE DEFINITION. YEAH. I CAN MENTION THAT TO JERRY. AND, UH, WHEN THERE IS A CHANGE OF A DEFINITION THAT'S, UH, IDENTIFIED BY THE, UH, COMMUNITY CODE, WHEN THEY, THEY DO THEIR LEGAL REVIEW OF THOSE ISSUES, THEN THEY PRESENT AN ORDINANCE, UH, THAT GOES TO COUNCIL AND IS ADOPTED AS PART OF ONE OF THE SUPPLEMENT UPDATES. UM, AND THOSE CHANGES ARE INCORPORATED AT THAT TIME. YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST BE, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT DURING THE INTERIM PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE YEAR. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION WITH REGARD TO THE DEFINITIONAL SECTIONS. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK MR. WEBB HAS THIS THING LINED UP. THANK YOU, TONY. UM, TONY, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD UNDER DEFINITIONS WAS THE, UM, THROUGHOUT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LANGUAGE, YOU'LL SEE THE USE OF THE WORD OFFICER, UH, OFFICER OF THE CITY OFFICER INCLUDES EMPLOYEES AND OFFICERS AND OFFICER IS, UH, ISN'T DEFINED WITHIN THE DEFINITIONS. AND THERE IS A CODE THAT WILL, WE'LL BE GOING OVER A LITTLE LATER THAT, UM, IS A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS AS FAR AS WHEN IT MENTIONS OFFICERS. SO I WAS THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT WAS MAYBE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE, THE DEFINITION OF AN OFFICER OF THE CITY. OKAY. NOTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UH, THE NEXT SECTION IS ONE OH 1.03. UM, AND THAT'S RULES OF CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT BASICALLY IS, AGAIN, THOSE PRETTY MUCH I THINK ARE TAKEN VERBATIM OUT OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. [00:20:01] SO AGAIN, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, OUR, UM, I, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CALCULATE, YOU KNOW, COMPUTATIONAL TIME AND THOSE THINGS, I THINK THOSE ARE IT'S PROBABLY MY OPINION WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE STATUTES. SO I'M NOT SURE ANY OTHER THAN HAVING JERRY REVIEW THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEFINITIONS AND, UM, AND OUR RULES OF CONSTRUCTION ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE'S STATUTES THAT ARE REFERENCED THROUGHOUT THAT SECTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. UM, ONE OH 1.04. UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT BASICALLY IS A RESTATEMENT OF WHAT THE OHIO REVISED CODE PROVIDES, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS IF, UM, AN AMENDMENT PASSES THAT OR, UH, AN ORDINANCE IT'S REPEALED DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY REVIVE A PRIOR ORDINANCE THAT DEALT WITH THE SAME SUBJECT OR THOSE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE STATE STATUTE, AGAIN, COVERS THAT SITUATION FAIRLY WELL. AND I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO REALLY TAKE ISSUE OR EVEN TRY TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE STATE'S DOING. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION? AND LIKE I SAID, I'M THE, I'M THE CHAIR, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO, YOU KNOW, BE MONOPOLIZING THE CONVERSATION HERE. SO BE SURE TO CHIME IN, UM, UH, LET'S SEE. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK, AND, AND THIS, THE CONFLICTING PROVISIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT MIGHT BE COVERED UNDER ONE OH 1.06. UM, SO WHEN TONY, YOU KNOW, AND JERRY LOOKS AT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE DEFINITIONS, UM, IT, IT MIGHT THAT THAT PROVISION MIGHT ACTUALLY COVER THAT. SO WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY HAVE ALREADY BE COVERED IDLE, NO, UH, DETERMINATION OF LEGISLATIVE INTENT. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S FAIRLY STANDARD, UH, LEGISLATIVE, UH, DOCTRINE IN TERMS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR LAWS NEED TO BE INTERPRETED TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION IN THE UNITED STATES, THE OHIO CONSTITUTION AND OHIO LAWS. UM, AND SO THAT KIND OF LAYS OUT HOW, IF THERE IS A DISPUTE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO PASS A LAW THAT'S INTENDED TO BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR, UM, IN VIOLATION OF STATE STATUTE. SO, UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY, NO QUESTIONS ON THAT ON, YEAH, MY, I WAS GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. UH, SO, UM, THE AMBIGUITY OF LAW, I MEAN, IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, LIKE, THINGS LIKE IS, IS LIKE FAIRNESS INCLUDED IN THERE ANYWHERE DOES THAT YEAH, I MEAN, IS THAT PART OF, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL DIDN'T INTEND TO WRITE AN UNFAIR LAW OR LIKE THAT, SO, I MEAN, IS THAT PART OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION OR WHERE'S KIND OF FAIRNESS FIGURED INTO THE, IN THE AMBIGUITY? SO SOMEHOW A LAW GOT WRITTEN THAT TURNED OUT TO BE SOMEHOW UNFAIR OR JUST, YOU KNOW, UNFAIRLY BIASED TOWARDS ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE OR ONE PARTICULAR PERSON OVER ANOTHER PERSON IT'S ALREADY KIND OF IT'S ALREADY. IS THAT ALREADY KIND OF IN THE NUMBER, SECTION FIVE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF A PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT I THINK, AND, AND THEN, UM, I'LL KIND OF PUT MY OWN LAWYER HAT ON HERE FOR A MOMENT SINCE, UM, THAT'S WHAT I DO. UM, TYPICALLY SPEAKING, IF A STATUTE IS, IS UNAMBIGUOUS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S DEEMED TO BE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, OR RIGHT OR WRONG, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S UNAMBIGUOUS, THEN THE COURT HAS NO CHOICE, BUT TO, UM, TO APPLY THE CLEAR, UH, MEANING OF ANY WORDS AND PHRASES THAT ARE USED, WHERE THE SECTION COMES [00:25:01] INTO PLAY IS OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A WORD OR A PHRASE THAT IS, COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE INTERPRETATION UNDER THAT SCENARIO, BRIAN, THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT ARE LISTED UNDER, YOU KNOW, UNDER SECTION C. AND I THINK THE INTENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OBJECT SOUGHT TO BE ATTAINED, W YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF FAIRNESS IS PROBABLY IS GOING TO COME INTO PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED, YOU KNOW, THE OBJECT, YOU KNOW, THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, IF THERE'S ANY LEGISLATIVE HISTORY, UM, BASICALLY THAT WOULD CONSIST OF THE MINUTES OF THE, UM, ANY COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWED THE LEGISLATION, THE, UH, UH, THE, UM, ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION DURING COUNCIL OF THE APPROVAL OR NOT. SO I THINK A LOT OF THE FAIRNESS WOULD BE DEVELOPED OUT OF, AND ANY AMBIGUITY WOULD BE LOOKED AT USING THOSE FACTORS. AND SO, UM, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE THINGS THAT COURTS WOULD LOOK AT IN, IN MAKING A DETERMINATION. OKAY. IF A WORD CAN HAVE TWO MEANINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID COUNCIL IN T REALLY INTEND IN USING THOSE PARTICULAR WORDS? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE, YEAH, I THINK IT DOES. I JUST, IT WAS JUST, IT JUST STRUCK ME THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE, IT NOT NECESSARILY BE BUILT IN THERE. SO, YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT KIND OF IN THE CONCEPT OF FAIRNESS, AT LEAST I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ANYWAY, IS KIND OF SUPERIMPOSED OVER EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL AND THE CITY DOES, UH, OR AT LEAST TRIES TO DO. YEAH. I THINK, UH, SECTION 83 OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IT ALSO SAYS IT'S PRESENTED THEIR ADJUSTED REASONABLE RESULT IS INTENDED BY THE INACTIVATION OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA WOULD BE THE CON COUNCIL WOULD NOT INTEND TO BE ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS IN ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PASS. SO, UM, SEVERAL ABILITY, ONE OH 1.08 THAT BASICALLY JUST SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF ANY ONE SECTION OF THE STATUTES DEEMED TO BE INVALID OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE REST OF THE STATUTE CAN BE INTER YOU KNOW, CAN BE APPLIED AND IS VALID, IT WILL BE, UH, YOU DON'T THROW OUT THE WHOLE WHOLE THING JUST BECAUSE ONE PART OF IT MIGHT BE DETERMINED TO BE INVALID OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AGAIN, THAT'S THE OHIO REVISED CODE BEING IN, YOU KNOW, BEING APPLIED AND THE LANGUAGE THERE. SO ANY, LIKE I SAY, ANYTHING THAT HAS A REFERENCE TO THE OHIO REVISED CODE TO IT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE JERRY LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. UM, THE GENERAL PENALTY PROVISION ONE OH 1.99. WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED THAT BACK IN 2000 AND, OR RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE MODIFIED BACK IN 2011. UM, UH, UH, AND THAT WAS BASICALLY, UH, WE ADDED A PROVISION THAT JUST SAID THAT IT WOULD BE A MINOR MISDEMEANOR BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY I THINK IT HAD A SET DOLLAR PENALTY AND WE, WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CHANGE, IF THE, THE PENALTY FOR A MINOR MISDEMEANOR CHANGE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND THEN AMEND THIS CODE SECTION AS WELL. SO WE, WE JUST TIED IT TO BEING A MINOR MISDEMEANOR AND THEN WHATEVER THAT VIOLATION AND WHATEVER THE PENALTY FOR THAT WITHIN, UM, BE THE PENALTY THAT WOULD BE, OR COULD BE IMPOSED BY A COURT. UH, ONE QUESTION ON THAT, THIS IS ANOTHER STYLE THING, UH, WHEREIN AS IN, UM, WHERE TO GO AS IN, UH, AND WHERE IN SUCH AS NO SPECIFIC PLD OR OTHERWISE PREVENTED PR PROVIDED WHEREIN I BELIEVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE WORD. OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW MY LONG ENOUGH, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WELL, I, YEAH, I GOT TO GET [00:30:01] THROUGH THIS AND IT'S FINE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES THE MEETING, MEANING. YEAH. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT WHEN I'M READING IT. IT'S OLD TOWN. IT PROBABLY DOES INTEND TO BE JUST ONE WORD WEARING. YEAH. OKAY. UM, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THEM. YEAH. DON HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN YOU DID MADE THAT, UH, SUGGESTION, UH, FOR THE MODIFICATION, THE FINAL LINE THAT SAYS A SEPARATE, A FUND SHALL BE DEEMED COMMITTED EACH DAY DURING, UH, OR ON WHICH A VIOLATION OCCURS. DID, WAS THAT A LINE THAT YOU ADDED AT THAT TIME OR WAS THAT IN THEIR PREGNANCY? UH, I'M THINKING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WE CHANGED WAS WE ELIMINATED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND ADDED, UH, THE REFERENCE TO THE, UM, UH, THE PENALTY. UM, YEAH, I TH I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE NOTES, IT JUST, I DON'T THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT LAST SENTENCE. THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION WAS, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW, GLENN, IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION ON THAT, I REMEMBER WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. UM, BUT I, THAT WAS THE ONLY PART THAT I RECALL US TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. HI, I NOTICED THAT IN THE TIMEFRAME DEFINITIONS ABOVE THAT WE, UM, WE DON'T DESIGNATE WHAT CONSTITUTES A DAY, UM, ON FLUX THERE. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING, YEAH. IF SOMEBODY STARTS COMMITTING A CRIME AT 1158 AND FINISHES THAT 1203, THAT TWO DIFFERENT CRIMES. CAUSE IT TAKES TWO DAYS. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE, IN THE RULES CONSTRUCTION SECTION, I KNOW IT TALKS ABOUT WEEKS AND IT TALKS ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT TALKS ABOUT DAYS IN COMPUTATIONAL TIME. UM, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO TALK, YOU KNOW, DAYS. UM, YOUR, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO HAVE JERRY LOOK AT TO SEE IF THE IDEA OF WHAT IS A DAY IS ALSO INCLUDED SOMEWHERE IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE. AND IF NOT, MAYBE WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN THE CONSTRUCTION SECTION OF THE, UH, OF THE CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE DEFINING, YOU KNOW, WEEKS AND HOW YOU CAN COMP COMPUTE DAYS. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UM, OKAY. UH, THEN THE NEXT SECTIONS DEAL WITH THE OFFICIAL SEAL, UH, THE BIRD FLOWER, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD RUN A RECOMMEND BE CHANGED OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO RECOMMEND BE ADDED AS THE OFFICIAL, WHATEVER FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS? WE DO HAVE A FLAG. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE PUT THERE. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, IS, DOES A FLAG, IS IT JUST SIMPLY THE TONY? IS IT JUST SIMPLY THE CITY SEAL ON THE FLAG OR NO, THERE'S OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT HAS THE STRIPES THAT REPRESENT A TWO OH ONE AND TWO OH TWO RUNNING THROUGH THE CITY, UH, THE STARS AND SOME OTHER ELEMENTS. UM, THERE WAS LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED THAT I, THAT ADOPTED THE PLAN AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY A, UM, UH, UH, CONTESTS THROUGH WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE STUDENTS WERE ASKED TO SUBMIT DESIGNS AND THEN THEY SELECTED IT AS DESIGN, UH, FROM ONE OF THE STUDENTS. THERE'S A, IF YOU LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THERE'S A WHOLE PAGE ON THE BACKGROUND OF THE FLAG AND THE EXPLANATION OF ASSEMBLES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD POINT. IT SHOULD PROBABLY AT LEAST BE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE BECAUSE [00:35:01] IT WAS ADOPTED OFFICIALLY BY THE CITY. YEAH. OR IF IT'S, IF IT'S LOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE ORDINANCES THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT, IT, IT MIGHT WANT TO BE MOVED INTO THIS SECTION. IT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ANY LIKE THE OFFICIAL BREAKFAST CEREAL OR WHATEVER? UM, I MEAN THE NFL SEEMS TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL SOMETHING FOR EVERYTHING. SO I, UH, SO IF IT COMES TO MIND, THEY GET PAID FOR THAT TOO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UM, OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE FLAG. YEAH. UH, THE NEXT SECTION IS, UM, DEAL WARDS. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE RECEIVING THE, AT SOME POINT IN TIME COMING UP IN 2021, WE WILL BE RECEIVING THE, UM, UH, CONSENSUS RESULTS. UM, WHICH, YEAH, WHICH I THINK WILL, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD RESULT IN THESE WARDS THAT THE JURISDICTIONAL TERRITORY OF THE WARDS POSSIBLY BEING LOOKED AT AND REVIEWED BY COUNCIL LENT. I SEE YOU, YOU'VE GOT YOUR HAND UP. YEAH, I WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE SECTIONS I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH IT RIGHT. THIS MOMENT, BUT SHOULD WE, TONY, SHOULD WE BOOKMARK THAT AND BRING IT BACK LATER ON, UH, FOR DISCUSSION AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT CENSUS PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDEFINED. I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WILL BE MOVEMENT. YEAH. UM, I TOTALLY AGREE. THAT NEEDS TO BE BOOKMARKED AND REVISITED ONCE WE HAVE THE CENSUS RESULTS. UM, AS GLEN INDICATED, UH, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO, UM, SOME SHIFTING OF THE WARD LINES BASED ON POPULATION SHIFTS WITHIN THE CITY. UM, THE GOAL, UH, STANDARD THAT HAS BEEN SET FOR FAIRNESS AMONGST, UH, POPULATION DISTRIBUTION IN THE WARDS IS APPROXIMATELY ALL THE WORDS SHOULD BE WITHIN 5% OF EACH OTHER RELATIVE TO POPULATION OR LESS. SO, UH, WE DID HAVE TO MAKE SOME, UM, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE WARDS. AND, UH, AFTER THE 2010 CENSUS, I ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN. UM, THE LAST TIME THAT PROCESS WAS DONE THROUGH A COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL, UM, AND, UH, COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER, UH, THAT'S THE COURSE THEY WANT TO TAKE AGAIN, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A TASK THAT WOULD BE DELEGATED, UH, TO THIS GROUP. OR, UH, THERE MIGHT BE PARALLEL PROCESSES THAT IT'S DONE WITH BOTH. AND THEN WE TRY TO, UH, BRING SOMETHING TOGETHER. UM, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THE CODE ITSELF IS WHAT THEY CALL IN LEGAL TERMS, THE MEETS AND BOUNDS, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY A, A GEOGRAPHICAL DESCRIPTION OF AWARDS BY MEETS AND BOUNDS. AND, UM, SO ONCE THOSE LINES WOULD BE IDENTIFIED AND THE CHANGES MADE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE TO DRAFT THE MEETS AND BOUNDS FOR THE NEW WARD LINES. AND, UM, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL, UH, PRIOR THEIR INCORPORATION, UM, INTO THE CODE. YEAH, YEAH. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO, UH, WHO HAS THE SECOND LARGEST WORD, BUT I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU, MR. WEBB HERE IS SITTING OVER THE LARGEST WARD IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, HANDS DOWN, YOU COULD USE SOME HELP. YEAH. W IT WAS MAINLY A WARD TWO IN WARD SIX THAT HAD THE POPULATION GROWTH IN 2010. BUT THEN AS A RESULT TO GET THE ADJUSTMENT, YOU KIND OF HAD TO SHIFT POPULATION SOUTH IN THE CITY AND IT AFFECTED REALLY ALL OF THE WARDS. ULTIMATELY, UH, WE ALSO HAD AN ISSUE IN 2010 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, AND MORE THAN TWO LIVED IN A POCKET OF, UH, SOUTH OF INTERSTATE SATURDAY, WHERE PRIOR TO THAT, UH, THE LINE HAD KIND OF BEEN MORE CLEANLY DIVIDED WITH THE INTERSTATE AND THE TWO STATE ROUTES. UM, AND SO, UM, THAT DOESN'T, THAT SITUATION DOESN'T EXIST ANY LONGER, BUT BASICALLY AT THE TIME, UH, THAT LITTLE POCKET WAS LEFT THERE AND MORE TO SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 70 IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE INCUMBENT COUNCIL MEMBER TO REMAIN WITHIN THEIR WARD. SO, BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET RE REDRAWN AS WELL AS A RESULT OF THAT. YEAH. YEAH. AND, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT PROBABLY THE, THE ACTUAL NEEDS AND BOUNCED DESCRIPTIONS WOULD, OR WOULD BE DONE [00:40:01] BY A SURVEYOR, UH, UM, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A COMBINATION OF A SURVEYOR AND, UH, UH, THAT WAS CONTRACTED THROUGH THE LAW DIRECTOR'S OFFICE THAT WROTE THE CURRENT ONES. AND, OKAY. SO I THINK PROBABLY BOTH MARKING THIS AND WAITING FOR FURTHER DIRECTION, BASICALLY, PROBABLY FROM COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT US TO LOOK AT THIS, OR IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS ON THEMSELVES. UM, I KNOW IT'D BE A POLITICAL HOT POTATO, SO MIGHT NOT, NOT BE A BAD THING FOR COUNCIL TO DEAL WITH IT THAT RATHER THAN US, BUT YEAH, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET TO THE AGREEMENTS. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THEIR CERTAIN AREAS OF THEIR WARD GO TO ANOTHER WARD AND, AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, YEAH. TAKE SOME DISCUSSION. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO THE SECTION OF ONE OH SEVEN, WHICH DEALS WITH PRIMARY ELECTION PROCEDURES. UM, UH, I, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT NOW WITH, UH, UM, IN SECTION ONE OH 7.01. IT SAYS THAT NONPARTISAN PRIMARY ELECTION SHALL BE HELD FOR THE NOMINATION OF CANDIDATES FOR THE OFFICES OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE SAME DATE ESTABLISHED FOR CONDUCTING PRIMARY ELECTIONS. UM, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THE REFERENCE THERE IS WITHIN THE STATE OF OHIO SO THAT OUR NOT OUR PRIMARY ELECTIONS WOULD BE HELD ON THE SAME DATE THAT THE PRIMARY ELECTIONS ARE IN THE STATE OF OHIO, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IT DOESN'T REFERENCE, UH, IT'S KIND OF CIRCUITOUS BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT NON-POWER PRIMARY ELECTIONS ARE ON THE DATA OF THE PRIMARY ELECTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DATE ARE WE LOOKING AT? SO I THINK THE INTENT PROBABLY IS THAT WE WOULD USE OUR, NOT OUR PRIMARY ELECTIONS, IF WE NEED ONE WOULD BE THE SAME DATE AS THE ONE PRIMARY ELECTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO. I THINK WE WOULD NEED SOME CLARIFICATION PROBABLY ON THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ADD THAT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. OKAY. YEAH. I WROTE THAT DOWN AND YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT'S TIED TO THE STATE OF OHIO'S PRIMARY ELECTIONS. OKAY. UM, AND I THINK THE REST OF THE DEAL, UH, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PRIMARIES ARE HELD AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S, UH, NO, NOT MORE THAN TWO CANDIDATES FOR A PARTICULAR, UH, POSITION. SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE REST OF THAT SECTION? I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. IT'S PROBABLY A STUPID QUESTION. UM, IS THERE EVER A YEAR WHERE THERE IS NO PRIMARY ELECTION IN OHIO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ONE OR IS THAT NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN NOW? THERE'S, THERE'S A PRIMARY ELECTION, UH, HELD EACH YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ELECTION, PER SE, I THINK THE DATE IS SET BY THE STATE BY STATE LEGISLATION. CAUSE THEY COULD BE IN THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE WOULD BE IN POSSIBLY WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A PRIMARY UNLIKELY, BUT I COULD SEE THAT POSSIBLY HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL TOO. UM, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PRIMARY PROCESS FOR MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS, UH, THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT ALL THE CANDIDATES FILE IN ADVANCE OF THE PRIMARY ELECTION INDICATING THEY'RE GOING TO RUN. AND THEN BASED ON THE CITY CHARTER, UH, IF THERE'S TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES FOR ANY, UM, IF THERE'S MORE THAN TWO CANDIDATES, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR ANY POSITION IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT THAT THEY'RE RUNNING FOR ELECTION, THEN THERE'S A PRIMARY HELD AT THE PRIMARY ELECTION AND THE TOP TWO VOTE GETTERS PROCEED TO THE, UH, GENERAL ELECTION IN THE FALL. UM, IF THERE'S ONLY TWO CANDIDATES FOR THE ON FILE PRIOR TO THE PRIMARY OR ONE PERSON, UH, FOR THE OFFICE, THEN THERE'S NO PRIMARY HELD IN THOSE CANDIDATES JUST TO ADVANCE TO THE GENERAL ELECTION. OKAY. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. UH, THE NEXT SECTION IS WHICH, UH, I FOUND, I, I THINK BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTRY, IT MADE THIS [00:45:01] SECTION A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, UH, INTERESTING TO ME TO READ. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I FOUND, SAW THAT A STATE OF EMERGENCY CAN EXIST WHEN A GROUP OF THREE OR MORE PEOPLE ACT TOGETHER, UH, AND THEIR ACTIONS ARE TO, WITH THE INTENT TO COMMIT A FELONY OR TO COMMIT VIOLENCE ON PERSONS OR PROPERTY. SO THEORETICALLY I'LL TAKE A REALLY STUPID, STUPID EXAMPLE, BUT THREE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND EGG, A HOUSE THAT'S DAN THAT'S DAMAGE, UH, UH, COMMITTING VIOLENCE TO PROPERTY, THEORETICALLY IT COULD CONSTITUTE A STATE EMERGENCY, UH, OR A STATE OF EMERGENCY. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT ONE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD, UH, THAT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE OR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THREE PEOPLE TO CREATE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN THE CITY. UM, I'M THINKING MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO SOMEHOW ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR THOUGHTS REALLY ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DEFINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SUFFICIENT, UM, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY? UM, BUT IT, I WAS JUST SURPRISED BY THE, IT ONLY TOOK THREE RYAN. WELL, OKAY. SO I KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT TOO. SO LET'S SAY, LET'S JUST ASSUME, EVEN THOUGH IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL NOW TO THINK ABOUT THIS, IF THERE WAS A RIOT NOW YOU WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE IF MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE INTENDED TO START THE RIOTS OR IF THE, OR WERE INTENDED TO BE IN THE RIOT OR IF THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE PROTESTING. SO I WOULD, YEAH. I MEAN, THREE MIGHT BE A SMALL NUMBER, BUT I BET THEY COULD FIND IT. SO THAT SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD VIDEOTAPE OF THE RIOT SCENE THAT YOU AT LEAST SAW THREE PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY AN INTENDED CRIME, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHY MAYBE THE LOW WAS THERE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, TO DETERMINE THE INTENT IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY AS TO WHO IS WHO AND WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO THAT YOU COULD, AT LEAST IF YOU HAD SOME WITNESSES OR SOME VIDEOTAPES SHOWING, OKAY, THESE THREE PEOPLE WERE DOING THIS, THEN THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, SUFFICIENT. AND THAT MAY BE WHY THAT'S THE NUMBER. SO, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE, I MEAN, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY PASSED AND ADDRESS WAS BACK IN 1981. UH, SO, UH, NONE OF US WERE AROUND AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND WE'D BE ABLE TO GIVE ANY KIND OF AN IMPACT YOU INPUT AS TO WHAT WAS INTENDED, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A JUSTIFICATION AND GOOD REASON FOR THREE. THERE MAY NOT DONE. YOU HAD A COMMENT. THANK YOU. YEAH, JOHN, I WAS JUMPING AHEAD TO A ONE 92 OH TWO, THE, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO CALL THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AND UNDER YOUR SCENARIO, DON'T PEG THE FIRE CHIEF'S HOUSE. UM, THERE'S THREE KIDS THAT I SAW. IN OTHER WORDS, I GET WHAT YOUR POINT IS BECAUSE, UH, TECHNICALLY YEAH, THREE KIDS EGGING THE FIRE CHIEF'S HOUSE AND TEXTED HIM OFF. HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY THE WAY I'M READING THOSE. YEAH. GLENN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD. THE NUMBER THREE AS WELL, IT SEEMED KIND OF RANDOM. UH, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE TO RECOMMEND MAYBE THE REMOVAL OF THE WORDS OR MORE, OR I'M SORRY. UM, THREE OR MORE, AND JUST WHEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE ACT TOGETHER WITH THE INTENT THAT WOULD LOWER IT TO TWO OR MORE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE TWO OR MORE. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A GROUP OF TWO, I GUESS YOU COULD. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THREE AGAIN, THREE IS KIND OF SEEMS A BIT RANDOM TO ME AS WELL. I DON'T, I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T FIGURE WHAT THREE MEN, WHAT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO SUGGEST THAT IS THAT HAVE THE MAYBE CITY ATTORNEY LOOK AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE ADOPTED, UH, FOR [00:50:01] THEMSELVES AND KIND OF GET A CANVAS OF WHAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KETTERING'S CITY OF DAYTON, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT MAY HAVE SIMILAR PROVISIONS AND SEE IF THEY'VE GOT SOME SORT OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, THRESHOLD, UH, OR HOW THEY ADDRESS WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACTING TOGETHER. THANKS, JIM. YEAH. NOW THAT I'M READING THIS FOR FIFTH TIME HERE, UM, A PERSON WHO HAS A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING LOT AND IS THREATENING TO USE, IT DOES NOT, UM, DOES NOT CALL FOR AN ACTION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY UNDER OUR DEFINITION HERE. SO MY, MY FATHER IN THE SECOND PART WHERE THERE'S A MANMADE DISASTER, WELL, BUT IF YOU READ IT, IT SAYS, UM, UM, MANMADE OR NATURAL DISASTER, WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGES PERSONS OR PROPERTY, UM, MAYBE IMPAIRS THE FUNCTIONING OF THE CITY, BUT BASICALLY IT'S JUST A THREAT. BUT GIVEN THE, UH, ALL THE TIMES WE LIVE IN THE THREAT IS OFTEN ENOUGH WHERE I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRIGGER A STATE OF EMERGENCY, UH, CLARE AND AREA. SO, YEAH, I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THAT ISN'T SOME LANGUAGE THAT THOSE BEING CLEANED UP A BIT. YEAH. I, I THINK, I REALLY THINK PROBABLY THE ENTIRE CODE SECTION OF ONE OH NINE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, BECAUSE DOWN IN THE OTHER THING TOO, AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW, I, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE ORDER OF WHO CAN DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY, UM, AND GLEN, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP MY MEMORY AND TONY IT'S THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS SLASH HER DESIGNEE. AND I THINK THAT WAS ADDED THE LAST GO AROUND AND I'M NOT SURE FOR ONE DOES IGNI IS NOT DEFINED ANYWHERE. SO THE CITY MANAGER THEORETICALLY, COULD DESIGNATE HIS WIFE OR HER, HIS HUSBAND TO BE THE PERSON AND AS LONG AS IT'S DESIGNATED. UM, AND I THINK SINCE WE HAVE THE ORDER OF PRIORITY, I'M THINKING WE WANT TO TAKE OUT THE DESIGNEE LANGUAGE ALTOGETHER AND JUST HAVE A GO, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, FIRE, CHIEF POLICE, CHIEF. AND I THINK THAT WOULD COVER PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE SITUATION. AND IF NOT, WE CAN ALWAYS CALL ON ALEXANDER HAIG. I'M DATING MYSELF WITH THAT REFERENCE. BUT, UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I WAS WHEN I SAW DESIGNEE, I SAID, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT DOESN'T DEFINE THAT, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO COME BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT OFFICERS, IT DOESN'T EVEN RELIC, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT TO BE AN OFFICER OF THE CITY OF UBER EYES. IT COULD BE ANYBODY. AND, UH, SO I, I THINK THAT WHOLE, PROBABLY THAT WHOLE SECTION NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND THE SAME THING WITH LIKE THE PENALTY PROVISION OF THAT. IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER VIOLATES, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE ORDERS. NOW, THE OTHER THING TOO, GETTING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ON IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN A STATE OF EMERGENCY HAS BEEN DECLARED, IT LIMITS WHAT THE ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN ARE CURFEW, YOU KNOW, SELL OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. UM, UH, I'M THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE OTHER AVENUES AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE TAKEN IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON IN THE PARKING LOT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, STATE OF EMERGENCY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, WE I'M THINKING WE MIGHT WANT TO TIE IT MORE TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, A, ONE OF THE CRIMINAL LEVELS, YOU KNOW, MINOR MR. MEANER, UM, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY, WHATEVER, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAY A HUNDRED DOLLAR FINE, NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLAR FINE. UH, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID UNDER THE GENERAL OFFENSES PROVISION. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION OF MINE WOULD BE THAT THEY, UH, THAT A CITY ATTORNEY [00:55:01] LOOK AT THAT RYAN, OH, I WAS WONDERING MORE ON LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, FINE. MAYBE THAT'S MORE FOR LIKE A CURFEW VIOLATION. CAUSE IT SAYS, ESTABLISH A CURFEW OR PROHIBIT THE SALE OF ALCOHOL OR SOMEBODY SOLD ALCOHOL DURING LIKE THE PROHIBITION, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT DECLARATION THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL ALCOHOL. MAYBE THAT'S MORE, WHAT THEY MEAN IS THAT THEY VIOLATED THE, SOME OF THE, SOME OF WHAT'S IN ONE OH NINE THREE. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT NOT NORMALLY WOULD NOT BE A FELONY OR A MISDEMEANOR, BUT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO, THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT TH YOU KNOW, TYING IT TO A MINOR MISDEMEANOR, UM, WHICH, UH, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT IS A MINOR MISDEMEANOR, BUT THE FINE THEN THE PENALTY WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A MINOR MISDEMEANOR. SO I PICKED, THOSE WAS THE ATTEMPT TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT ALL THESE SECTIONS LAST TIME. AND THIS ONE MUST MUST'VE BEEN A REWARD. YEAH. YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT COUNSEL MUST AFFIRM TO DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY. SO SOMEONE CAN'T JUST DECLARE IT INDEFINITE STATE OF EMERGENCY, UH, ONCE THEY DO. SO, UH, TH THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF COUNCIL, WHICH WAS THE MAYOR OR SOMEONE SERVING IN THAT POSITION HAS TO BE NOTIFIED AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY MEETING WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY DECLARATION. AND THEN THREE-FOURTHS OF THE COUNCIL MUST VOTE TO AFFIRM THE CONTINUED STATE OF EMERGENCY. OTHERWISE IT NO LONGER CONTINUES TO EXIST. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT PROVISION MAKES SENSE. SO THERE IS A CHECK AND BALANCE ON IT WITHIN A FAIRLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH. UM, UH, AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF EXERCISE, THE POWERS WHEN EMERGENCY DECLARED UNDER 109.3, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, PROHIBITED BEHAVIOR THAT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE OR RECOMMEND BE CONSIDERED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT SECTION OTHER THAN THE FOUR THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE LISTED? UM, UH, I MEAN, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THIS WOULD KIND OF FALL WHEN THERE WAS THE, UM, THE PROTEST UP AT, UM, NORTH OF 70 AWHILE BACK IN THERE. AND, UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, THE BUSINESSES SHOULD CLOSE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IN TIME. UM, AND THE QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, I SUPPOSE, IN LIGHT OF WHAT GOVERNOR DEWINE DID YESTERDAY THAT MIGHT FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A CURFEW IS, WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES IN A PARTICULAR AREA MUST CLOSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT IS INTENDED BY OUR CURFEW, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL CONSIDER AS A POSSIBLE, UM, ADDITIONAL REMEDY IN THAT SECTION. UM, MAYBE NOT, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT THIS WHOLE AREA IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, LIKE I SAY, IT'S A POLITICAL TIME BOMB IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE WE HAVE. CAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE LAST TIME A LOT OF THIS STUFF WAS LOOKED OUT WITH BACK IN 1981 AND A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, SIZE, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DEALS WITH THE CITY. HE WRITES, DON, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT JUST ONLY, UM, IN AGREEMENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE FOUR SPECIFIC, UM, ACTIONS, IT ALMOST LOOKS THERE NEEDS TO BE ON E THAT IS, UM, OR TAKE OTHER ACTIONS DEEMED APPROPRIATE. I DON'T DO LABEL LANGUAGE, BUT, UM, IT'S ODD THAT THERE ARE JUST A, B, C AND D THERE, AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC REMEDIES, UM, ONCE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS DECLARED. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALL THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. UM, I JUST THINK THAT FROM AN ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WOULD, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THE [01:00:01] COUNCIL AND CITY ATTORNEY TO LOOK FURTHER INTO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IN LIGHT OF THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT IS, DOES THIS NEED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT IT AS AN ENTIRETY AND MAYBE UPDATED BASED ON THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN 2020 AS A WHOLE, IT LOOKS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT IT'S FOOTPRINTS, A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS IN 1981. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS SECTION? BUT I, I DON'T EXCEPT TO SAY THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD BE ADDED TO THOSE FOUR ITEMS, BUT I DO FEEL A BLANKET THING MIGHT BE TOO LOOSE AND, AND CREATE SOME LEGAL DIFFICULTIES. YEAH, YEAH. IT COULD. I MEAN, I THINK IT NEEDS TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME THOUGHT PUT INTO THAT AND I THINK THAT'S, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE WANT TO MAYBE TABLE THAT PARTICULAR SECTION AND THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND ADDRESS IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, KICK UP THE FOOD CHAIN UP TO COUNCIL AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT. AND YOU KNOW, ALL WE'RE DOING IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE REVIEWED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND THEN THEY'RE NOTHING BIG. UH, WHEN IT SAYS WHEN A GROUP OF THREE OR MORE PEOPLE ACT TOGETHER, I THINK ACT SHOULD BE ACT BECAUSE IT GOES WITH A GROUP ACTS. UH, THE OTHER ONE I HAVE IS SHOULD WE CHANGE MAN-MADE TO SOMETHING LIKE HUMAN MADE? SURE. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, THE, AGAIN, THAT ONE PROVISION SAYS THAT ANYTIME YOU USE ONE GENDER, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M JUST THINKING SOMEBODY MIGHT LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S THAT. AND THEN SOME PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT SECTION AND NOT THINK THE REFERENCE, THE OTHER, SO, YEAH. AND I'M SURE THAT PHRASE WAS BASICALLY DATED FROM 1981. OH, OH YEAH. YEAH. I JUST ACTUALLY JUST GOOGLED IT THEN PEOPLE SAY THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO SAY THAT. RIGHT. SO I, YEAH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. UM, I CAN SEE WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THAT. AND IN THE MEANTIME, ALSO MAYBE SOLICIT SOME, UH, UH, EMERGENCY POLICY, STATE OF EMERGENCY POLICY FROM OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITIES. LIKE YOU MENTIONED, JIM, AND, UH, HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE FOR SOME CONSIDERATION AS WELL. UM, ONE OH 9.07 CONTROL OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. UM, THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT SECTION IS IT SEEMS TO BE LIMITED TO THE MAYOR ISSUING EMERGENCY ORDERS DURING A STATE OF EMERGENCY. UM, AND I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE LIMITED TO THE MAYOR OR IF IT WAS, SHOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE HIERARCHY OF THE PRIOR CODE SECTION. IT'S IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S JUST, WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTROL OF PUBLIC UTILITY THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT SECTION SECTIONS JUST FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES IN FOR INSTANCE, THE CORONAVIRUS THING HIM SAYING, UH, WE CAN'T SHUT WATER OFF. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD YOU'D WANT TO GIVE THE POLICE CHIEF POWER FOR, I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING HE WOULD EVEN WANT TO HAVE, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR HIM TO HAVE, WELL, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE WITH, LET'S SAY OUR MAYOR'S OUT OF TOWN AND CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST LIMITS IT SOLELY TO THE MAYOR AND NO ONE ELSE. AND IF, IF IT'S NECESSARY TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SECTION IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT SAYS IN THE ABSENCE OF THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR IS UNABLE TO PERFORM HIS DUTIES. THEN THE VICE MAYOR IS ABLE TO EXERCISE THOSE DUTIES. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S FINE. LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T SURE WHY WE HAD THE HIERARCHY FOR EVERYTHING ELSE AND, BUT LIMITED IT IF, IF THERE WAS ANY, I DON'T, LIKE I SAY, THIS IS BACK AT 82, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY RATIONALE OR IF IT WAS SIMPLY AN OVERSIGHT WHEN THEY LIMITED THIS PARTICULAR AUTHORITY TO THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR ONLY, I [01:05:01] DON'T KNOW. UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD WANT TO LIMIT THIS SECTION SOLELY TO THE POWER OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MAYOR AND OR VICE MAYOR, OR DO WANT TO, UH, HAVE THIS SECTION ALSO BE CONTROLLED BY THE HIERARCHY ABOVE. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE ON THAT. I THINK IF YOU USE THE HIERARCHY ABOVE, UM, THE SECTION WOULD SIMPLY READ EMERGENCY ORDERS MAY BE ISSUED DURING THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, UNDER SECTIONS FOR THE REGULATION AND CONTROL. UH, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK YOU, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO HAVE, WHO MAY ISSUE THAT, UH, REGULATION CONTROL OF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE, WHO CAN DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY UP ABOVE AND A, UM, HIERARCHY. SO IT IS, IT IS OUT OF A PLACE THAT WE'RE SAYING THE MAYOR HERE WHEN WE DON'T IN THE SECTION. YEAH. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE TOO WITH THIS SECTION IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR JERRY AND IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE OWN THE WATER COMPANY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT PUBLIC UTILITY, BUT DO WE, DOES THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE CONTROL OVER ELECTRIC GAS UNDER EVEN A STATE OF EMERGENCY? SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC UTILITIES, I'M NOT SURE THAT IF THIS, EVEN IF WE EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE ACTION OVER THOSE OTHER APPS ABILITIES. SO LIKE IF WE PULLED THE PNL, DON'T SHUT OFF PEOPLE'S ELECTRICITY AND THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO IGNORE YOU AND DO IT ANYWAY. THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT ARE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL BRIAN. YEAH. I WAS THINKING MORE. MAYBE THEY MEANT IT LIKE FOR, TO ACTUALLY SET IT OFF, LIKE ON A MORE LOCAL BASIS, LIKE TO LIKE TO SHUT OFF A GAS MAIN OR SOMETHING, OR TO SET OFF SOME WATER MAIN WHERE THERE IS SOMETHING MORE LIKE A NATURAL DISASTER AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A RIOT OR A VIRUS, BUT MORE LIKE A FLOOD OR SOME KIND OF EARTHQUAKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK MAYBE THEY WERE THINKING MORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EMERGENCY SHUT OFF A GAS MAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT THERE'S NO GAS RUNNING THROUGH AN AREA WHERE THERE WAS JUST AN EARTHQUAKE AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. I JUST, MY QUESTION IS, DO WE EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL BACKGROUND THAT YOU'VE GOT TO TURN THIS GAS LINE OFF AT THIS POINT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR COTA ROY AND HER COUSIN, I THINK I FELT LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN DO, AND VECTOR'S GOING TO BE LIKE, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT IT AN EXPLOSION. WE'LL TURN IT OFF. RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY WOULD AGREE, BUT YOU KNOW, AND SO, AND MAYBE THAT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S INTENDED IS TO ESTABLISH THE PERSON WHO CAN CONTACT AND TELL VECTREN WHAT NEEDS BE DONE. SO, BRIAN, I APOLOGIZE. I MEANT TO PUT MY HAND DOWN AFTER I, OH, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UH, OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ONE OH NINE? OKAY. UH, MOVING ON TO SECTION ONE 21, UM, WHICH DEALS WITH COUNSEL. UM, I KNOW THAT WE, IN 2010, WE THOUGHT THAT LOCAL TRAVEL, UM, WHICH IS DEFINED, UH, WITHIN A 20 MILE RADIUS OF THE CITY WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE SMALL. IT WAS TOO, NOT BIG ENOUGH. I THINK WE HAD RECOMMENDED 50 MILES TO BE, UH, ANYTHING WITHIN 50 MILES WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, LOCAL. UH, AND THAT WAS, UM, UH, I THINK, UH, THE, UH, COMMITTEE THAT IT WAS REFERRED TO DIDN'T FEEL ANY CHANGE WAS NECESSARY. SO THAT WAS NOT ADOPTED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AND IT IS 50 MILES FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, BUT, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, IT'S ONLY 20 MILES FOR LOCAL. AND THAT WAS COUNCIL'S WISH AT THAT TIME TO MAINTAIN THAT. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH KEEPING IT AT 20. I JUST, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE HAD ADDRESSED BACK THEN. [01:10:01] AND THEY OBVIOUSLY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. SO THAT'S FINE. SECTION REALLY IS JUST A RESTATEMENT OF THE TRAVEL POLICY. THAT'S IN PLACE, AS IT APPLIES TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE MAYOR, IS THAT 20 MILE RADIUS, THAT 20 MILES FROM THE CENTER OF THE CITY OR FROM THE EDGE OF THE CITY, IT'S FROM THE, UH, THE CITY HALL ADDRESS, PRETTY HOFF. AND, UH, UH, LET'S SEE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S, CAUSE I, I, I RECALL THAT WHEN I WAS ON, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, I BELIEVE WE, WE DID A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE TRAVEL EXPENSE PROCEDURE. AND CAUSE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS I THINK BACK THEN IT WAS RAISED. AND I THINK WE TRIED TO TIGHTEN UP VIA THE POLICY, WHICH I, AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WHAT WE LOOKING AT HERE WAS PRETTY MUCH WHAT CAME OUT OF THE POLICY. YEAH. THE THING AT THE TIME WAS THAT, UM, IF IT'S JUST, UM, LOCAL TRAVEL THAN, UM, COUNCIL WAS NOT AID ELIGIBLE TO GET LIKE, UM, MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT. SO IF THEY WERE PARTICIPATING IN MAYBE A CONSORTIUM THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MEETINGS AROUND THE CITY WANTING TO SUBMIT MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT, THEN IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT FOR THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS THAT WERE, UH, 20 MILES OR MORE AWAY. SO I T I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY DOING AT THIS POINT? IT DOES. IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE POLICY IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS ISSUE, WE, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE REIMBURSEMENT. UM, AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IT'S BEEN NON, UH, RELATIVE TO THIS, EXCEPT FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OVERNIGHT TRAVEL FOR LIKE A CONFERENCE OR A SEMINAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, ANY LOCAL TRAVEL WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY REIMBURSEMENT FOR. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL? OKAY. WE'LL LET THAT STAND. THEN. NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO THE MAYOR LEGISLATION. UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S JUST, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. IT WAS SOMEWHAT COUNTERINTUITIVE FOR ME, AND THAT IS ON THE WEDDING FEE. UH, FOR THE, WHEN THE MAYOR CONDUCTS A, A WEDDING IT'S $50 WHEN A HELD AT CITY HALL AND IT'S UP TO $75 WHEN OUTSIDE CITY HALL. UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE EXPENSE TO THE CITY IF IT'S BEING CONDUCTED AT CITY HALL THAN SAY, IF IT'S BEING CONDUCTED AT SOMEBODY'S HOME. UM, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE, UH, TIME SPENT BY THE MAYOR AND, UH, EITHER MYSELF OR WHOEVER'S ASSISTING HIM WITH THAT IN TERMS OF HAVING TO TRAVEL, UH, TO THE LOCATION OF THE WEDDING IN ORDER TO, UH, ADMINISTER THE PAPERWORK AND SUCH. UM, MY OFFICE BASICALLY HANDLES THE, UM, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THE WEDDINGS FOR THE MAYOR. AND THEN THE MAYOR OBVIOUSLY IS THE ONE WHO'S ACTUALLY PERFORMING THEM. SO, UH, I THINK THAT, THAT THE FEE AS WE DISCUSSED THAT THE EXPENSES, IT IS MORE LABOR INTENSIVE, UM, BOTH IN, IN MY TIME OR MY DESIGNEES TIME AND THE MAYOR WHEN WE HAVE TO GO OFFSITE TO PERFORM THE WEDDING. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE MORE EXPENSES INVOLVED BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HALL, OPEN MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CLEANING UP OR WHATEVER. THAT'S HOW, HOW WE DO IT IS, UH, WE PERFORM, UH, WEDDINGS PRIOR TO SCHEDULED MEETINGS OF COUNCIL. OKAY. IN MOST CASES ABOUT 99% OF THE CASES. SO, UH, THE MAYOR SET ASIDE THOSE EVENINGS AS, AS, UH, TIME SLOTS THAT PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR. SOMETIMES WE DO, UH, THREE OR FOUR, UH, WITHIN AN HOUR PRIOR TO A COUNCIL MEETING. UM, AND WHAT EVENING? SO, UM, THE, THE, ALSO EVERYONE SHOULD THAT, THAT THE FEE DOESN'T [01:15:01] GO TO THE MAYOR FOR PAYMENT. IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. UM, THIS ORDINANCE ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE MAYOR TO TAKE THE FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE RESOLVE OF THE WEDDINGS AND TO, UH, UH, DONATE THOSE FEEDS TO A CHARITY OF HIS CHOICE WITHIN THE CITY. SO, UH, THE MAYOR GETS NO FINANCIAL BENEFIT FROM THAT. UH, THEY, THOSE FUNDS ALL GO TO THE GENERAL FUND OR THEY'RE MADE IN A DONATION ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR TO A CHARITY OF HIS CHOICE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GLENN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. AND IT WAS ON THAT EXACT SUBJECT. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK TONY. I WAS, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THOSE FUNDS WENT INTO A SPECIFIC PLACE, A SPECIFIC FUND FOR DISTRIBUTION TO A NONPROFIT OR WHATEVER. UH, I DID NOT, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WENT DIRECTLY INTO GENERAL FUNDS. I, YOU GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRACKED, THEY'RE ISOLATED AND TRACKED IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONIES. AND THEN THE, THAT TOTALITY OF FUNDS IS LATER TAKEN FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND, AND DESIGNATED TO THE CHARITY AND PROVIDED WITH THE JURY. OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION THEN THIS, THIS JUST WAS REVISITED IN 2017 AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION BY THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY MODIFIED IT SLIGHTLY AT THAT TIME. SO, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING, UM, UH, IN FACT, WE'RE ONE OF THE CHEAPER, UH, PLACES TO GO FOR WEDDINGS, UM, IN THE MIAMI VALLEY COMMUNITY. OTHER PLACES CHARGE A HIGHER FEE PER WEDDING FOR MERRELL WEDDINGS. I, QUICK QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW, THE, I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER BY DUMP. CAN THE MAYOR PERFORM A WEDDING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS? YES. HE CAN ONLY PERFORM A WEDDING IN, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY IN WHICH THE CITY'S LOCATED. SO IN HUBER HEIGHTS CASE, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, UH, CITY, UH, LIMITS WITHIN BOTH MIAMI AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY, HE CAN PERFORM ANYWHERE WITHIN THOSE TWO COUNTIES. OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS THOUGH THAT YEAH, THE DOGS HAVE BE WITHIN THE CITY, JUST WITHIN MIAMI OR MONTGOMERY COUNTY. OKAY. AND THAT'S ONE DUTY ALSO THE VICE MAYOR IS NOT ABLE TO FILL IN THE MAYOR'S ABSENCE. IT MUST BE THE MAYOR PERFORMING THE WAY. RIGHT. OKAY. A SECTION ONE 25 DEALS WITH, UH, YOUR OFFICE. UH, THE ONLY CHANGES I REALLY HAD, WE DID SOME CHANGES TO THIS LAST TIME. AND THERE WAS A, A CHARTER CHANGE, A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THIS SECTION, UH, DURING THE LAST ROUND OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT, AND A ONE 25 OUT TO ASSISTANT COURT TO COUNCIL SINCE THIS TIME, UH, THE TITLE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNCIL. AND, UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, ALL THOSE REFERENCES BE CHANGED TO DEPUTY. YEAH. THAT'S GOOD JOB. YEAH. ON THAT ASSISTANT DEPUTY OR THE ASSISTANT DEPUTY CLERK COUNCIL TO DOUBLE UP THE LAST SENTENCE AS AN HOURLY POSITION, IT SHOULD BE AN HOURLY SINCE HOURLY BECAUSE WITH THE VOWEL SOUND TRUE, WE CAN JUST CHANGE THAT AT THE SAME TIME. THE OTHER CHANGES ARE MADE IN THE TEXT, BUT IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING, ANYTHING SUBSTANTIATED TO CHANGE. UM, IT PRETTY MUCH STANDS EXCEPT THE TITLE CHANGE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER GLENN? YOU HAVE A QUESTION YES. UNDER A ONE 25 OH THREE. UM, TONY, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT ON WHERE IT'S SAYING, UH, WE'RE LISTS AND CONNECTION WITH ELECTIONS ON TAX LEVIES, BOND ISSUES AND OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, UM, TAX LEVY SEEM SPECIFIC, BOND ISSUES SEEM SPECIFIC, OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, NOT AS SPECIFIC, BUT JUST FACTORING IN TAX LEVIES, BOND ISSUES. I THINK THE WORD MAY, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SENTENCE, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE A SHOUT IN THOSE CASES. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES REFERS TO AND HOW MEANER, OR MEAN, OR MINOR OR MEDIOCRE THEY ARE. AND IF YOU USE THE WORD, SHALL THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE PAPER ALL OVER THE FRONT OF CITY HALL FOR EVERY LITTLE THING. UM, BUT I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S MY OPINION THAT THINGS OF THE LEVITY OF A TAX LEVY OR BOND ISSUE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. NOT WE CAN NOTIFY, BUT WE SHOULD. NOW, IF I'M UNCLEAR ON THAT, [01:20:01] PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I THINK IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID THAT IT PROBABLY ENDED UP MAY BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, UM, THAT, THAT IF YOU SAY, SHALL FALL ALL OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DEFINE THAT YOU COULD REALLY OPEN THE DOOR TO REQUIRING A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRED. UM, SO YOU MAY BE WANTING TO, IF THAT'S AN ISSUE TO YOU, MAYBE LOOK AT, UM, REDUCING THAT AMBIGUITY IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF IT WITH THE OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, UM, AND THEN CHANGING IT TO SHAW. UM, I THINK THIS HAD TO DO WITH, UM, AT THE TIME THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTION THAT WHEN WE HAD A TAX LEVY AND THE CITY WAS OUT PROMOTING IT, WHAT TYPE OF RESOURCES COULD THE CITY USE, UH, TO PROMOTE AN ISSUE THAT WAS GOING TO BE DECIDED BY THE VOTERS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, DID THE CITY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE ITS PROPERTY TO PROMOTE THOSE OR ITS RESOURCES TO PROMOTE THOSE ISSUES ON ITS BEHALF? WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BE A QUESTION THERE WAS GOING TO BE PUT BEFORE THE ELECTORATE AND THIS I THINK WAS INTENDED TO GIVE, UH, THE CITY THE ABILITY TO ADVOCATE, UM, ON ONE OF THESE ISSUES, IF THEY PUT IT FORTH BEFORE THE ELECTORATE. OKAY. AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, I WOULD THINK A SUBJECT WITH THE LEVITY OF A TAX LEVY OR A BOND ISSUE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE TO RESIDENTS TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT. NOT, NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS MUCH OPTIONAL IN MY OPINION. WELL, I MEAN, ONE WAY OF ADDRESSING THAT WOULD BE JUST BREAK, BASICALLY BREAK THAT DOWN INTO TWO SEPARATE SENTENCES, UH, HAVE ONE SENTENCE THAT STUDY SHALL PROVIDE INFORMATION WITH THOSE, THE TAX LEVY AND THE BA, AND THEN A SEPARATE SECTION THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY SCHICK MAY PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION CONCERNING PUBLIC AND OTHER PUBLIC. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW, YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK I APPRECIATE THE INTENT BEHIND IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. I MEAN, RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION I THINK WOULD, SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN A REPORT MAY NOT BE ANYBODY ELSE BUYING THAT THING IS NECESSARY. SO I'M KIND OF, I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN WITH THAT. JUST THE, THE AMBIGUITY OF WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BE IN THOSE REPORTS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ANY CLUE, RIGHT. DON, UH, THIS WILL BE FOR TONY, TONY, UH, THIS ISN'T OUR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE REGARDING PUBLICATION, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, TAX FLUFFIES OR BOND ISSUES DON'T WE HAVE TO, UM, MAKE THOSE PUBLIC. YEAH, YEAH. WE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NORMAL COURSE OF PROCEDURE BECAUSE TO DO A BOND OR A TAX LEVY, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL, LEGISLATIVELY AND IN DOING SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, THAT PROCESS, UH, IN ORDER TO ENACT THAT LEGISLATION TO DO IT. UM, I THINK WE'RE, IF YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER PUBLIC ISSUES, UM, THE COUPLE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT WE'VE HAD IN RECENT YEARS WOULD BE LIKE THE ADVISORY BALLOTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON CHICKENS AND WATER SOFTENING IN THE CITY. UM, AND COUNCIL HAS ACTED TO PUT THOSE ADVISORY, UH, OPINIONS ON THE BALLOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD NECESSARILY IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WANT THE CITY ADVOCATING, UH, UH, ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE IF YOU'RE TRULY SEEKING AN ADVISORY OPINION TO GET PUBLIC INPUT INTO THAT ISSUE. SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I THINK DEFINING THE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF A SHOWER WOULD BE IMPORTANT, UM, IN REDUCING THAT AMBIGUITY, UH, TO GLENN'S POINT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, TO JANE, SORRY, DON, SORRY, JIM, JUST ON, UM, THE SECOND PART OF THAT SENTENCE AFTER THE COMMA WHERE IT SAYS, AND IN CONNECTION WITH REPORTS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WHOLE SENTENCE READS KIND OF FUNKY TO ME, THE CITY MAY PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US RESIDENTS IN CONNECTION WITH ELECTIONS BOMBS, ET CETERA, AND IN CONNECTION WITH REPORTS TO THOSE RESIDENTS. ONE OF OUR READING THERE. YEAH. I, I FOUND THAT SENTENCE JUST TO BE A LITTLE, I REALLY WASN'T SURE WHAT, WHAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED IN THAT CODE SECTION? YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT, I THINK, I SUPPOSE IT'S SAYING THAT THERE'S THE PERIOD THEREAFTER ROBINSON'S PROBABLY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AS SOMEWHAT OF A RUN RUN ON SENTENCE. I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED [01:25:01] TO BE A COLLECTION WITH REPORTS FOR THESE RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE USED. YEAH. I THINK SAID THE PROPERTY MAY BE USED AS JUST FOR NOTIFICATION FOR DISPLAY OF NOTIFICATION DISPLAY OR POSSIBLY EVEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOPPING MACHINES OR WHATNOT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAN. I ALSO THINK THERE'S A BIT OF AMBIGUITY ON THE WORD INFORMATION. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY OPEN WORD INFORMATION ABOUT BALLOT LANGUAGE. IS THAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT THERE? OR IS IT SOMETHING MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I, THAT PROVISION, I THINK PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY REVIEWED BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY TRIED TO JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY AND PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. LET ME, UH, RESEARCH THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE THE GENESIS OF THIS AND WHEN THIS WAS ADDED AND, UH, IN THIS FORMAT AND, UH, TRY TO PROVIDE AT THE NEXT MEETING A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT. UM, I DON'T HAVE A FIRM RECOLLECTION OF IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT PROVISION, I THINK ACTUALLY PROBABLY DID NOT COME THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE BACK IN 2010, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING REFERENCED IN THE NOTES THAT WE MADE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I'M THINKING IT MIGHT NOT HAVE EXISTED BEFORE , THERE IS AN ORDINANCE REFERENCE UNDERNEATH IT, WHICH WOULD IMPLY THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME MODIFICATION MADE TO IT IN 2011, WHICH IS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT MODIFIED THE OTHER SECTIONS IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME. SO YEAH. LET ME DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THAT AND I'LL BRING IT BACK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S SEE THE CITY MANAGER SECTION, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. IT'S JUST FOOTNOTE REFERENCES TO THE SECTIONS ON THE CITY CHARTER WITHIN THE, UH, THE CHARTER ITSELF. RIGHT. AND I THINK PRETTY MUCH WE REVISE THE SECTION ONE 31.02, OR WE WRECK THERE, THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THERE WAS A MODIFICATION THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE COMMITTEE, I THINK, UH, DEALING WITH THE EXCESS CITY REALTY, UM, BACK IN 2011. UM, SO UNLESS TONY THERE'S BEEN ANY ISSUES THAT, UH, HAVE COME UP WITH DEALING WITH EXCESS REALTY THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, GLEN YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. UM, IN THIS ONE, I, I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF PRESSED UP AGAINST THE SAME WALL THAT WE WERE IN, IN 2010, UH, WITH, UM, WE HAD, UH, ORDINANCE 2011 OH 1898, WHICH BASICALLY MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO TITLE FIVE, TO MATCH WHAT OUR CURRENT, UM, WE WANT CAUGHT, UH, ORGANIZATIONAL CHART READ. UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TERMS LIKE THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE WE HAVE, UM, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE IN THERE THAT I HAD FOUND. UH, THERE IS A DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT A FUNDED FILL POSITION, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S LIKE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY HAD LIKE CERTAIN DOTTED LINES DRAWN ON DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION THAT I THINK THE ONE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ALSO SERVES AS THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, I DID MAKE A NOTE THAT IN THIS SECTION, UM, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT, UM, THERE WAS JUST AN ORDINANCE PATH THAT JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON NOVEMBER 9TH, UM, ORDINANCE 2020 DASH A DASH 24 51, WHICH, UH, HAD SOME STAFF RECOMMENDED CHANGES, UH, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT TABLE OF ORGANIZATION, LIKE CHANGING THE PARKS MANAGER, UH, CHANGING SOME THINGS RELATED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, UM, AND A COUPLE OTHERS. AND, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IT'S, UH, WILL BE IN THE NEXT SUPPLEMENT FOR UPDATE OF THE CODE. AND, UH, IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT MUNI CODE ON THE PAGE, IT TELLS YOU THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE WAITING TO BE CODIFIED INTO THE [01:30:01] CITY CODE AND THIS ONE'S LISTED THERE. SO SOME OF THAT CLEANUP LANGUAGES IS ALREADY, UH, IN PROCESS. YEAH. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD NOTED WAS SOME OF THOSE NAMES. UM, ANOTHER ONE WAS OUR DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGED BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT POSITION. YEAH. THAT POSITION WAS, UM, EMILY CHRISTIAN, UH, HAD THAT, UH, IT ORIGINALLY WAS THE S BACK IN THE EILEEN BENSON DAYS, IT WAS FIRST THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. UM, AND THEN IT BECAME THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER. AND THAT THOSE DUTIES NOW ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH THE PERSON THAT'S SERVING AS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST. SO, UM, THAT'D BE THE PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER. AND WE, WE DO HAVE ONE OF THEM MANAGER IS NOW THE PARKS MANAGER, AND THAT WAS IN ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST APPROVED, UH, ON NOVEMBER NINE. OKAY. OKAY. BUT W WHAT SECTION IS THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, SPECIAL PROJECTS, THINGS STILL REFERENCE, CAUSE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE ANYMORE, ONE 39 OH THREE SUBSECTION A, IT LISTS THAT, AND IT'S LISTED AS A DIVISION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ACCURATE. YEAH. THAT POSITION DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, JUMPING BACK A LITTLE BIT THOUGH, SEXUAL ONE 31.06 UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, ET CETERA, TALKS ABOUT TO ISSUE LICENSING, COLLECT FEES, UH, AGAIN, IT'S A CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE. UM, AGAIN, UH, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE OR DEFINITION OF, OF WHO THAT DESIGNEE IS AND NO LIMITATIONS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE LIMITED TO ANY ONE PARTICULAR PERSON. SO I THINK THAT IF THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S THE CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OR WHOEVER IT WOULD BE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO PROBABLY PUT IN A TITLE AS OPPOSED TO HIS DESIGNATE THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THE CITY MANAGER OUT THERE APPOINTING HIS NO, HIS BUDDY TO, YOU KNOW, COLLECT, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTER OR COLLECT FEES. YEAH. YEAH. THE, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT A LOT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. THAT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON LANGUAGE THAT'S USED IN A LOT OF LEGISLATION PASSED BY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE. UM, I THINK THE REASON THAT IT WASN'T DONE BY TITLE IS, UH, AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION SOMEWHERE BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WHAT THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT, UM, THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF THE, UH, TITLES CHANGE, THEN IT'S OVERLY COMPLICATED TO EXCISE ALL OF THOSE TITLES THROUGH THE CODE. UM, AND THEY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT DESIGNEES DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE DESIGNATION. SO FOR INSTANCE, IN A COLLECTION OF FEES, THE DESIGNEE MIGHT BE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BECAUSE, UH, THAT PERSON IS THE PERSON ACTUALLY AFFECTING THE ACTIONS TO COLLECT THE FEES ON, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY MANAGER. SO, UM, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO TALK WITH JERRY ABOUT THAT. I, I'M NOT SURE THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE, BUT W WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT A HUNDRED TIMES THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CODE. JUST THE FACT WHEN HE IT'S HIS DESIGNEE, THERE'S NO, NO PARAMETERS. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, AGAIN, THE INTENT PROBABLY WOULD BE THAT HE WOULD DESIGNATE THE APPROPRIATE PERSON, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT KIND OF MAKES THAT CLEAR, UM, LAM. NOPE. YEAH. UM, I HAD ANOTHER ONE TONY, AGAIN, A QUESTION I THINK, BUT MY MEMORY SOMETIMES ISN'T CORRECT, BUT, UM, UNDER A ONE 36 OH ONE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING OR NOT NOW, I'M SORRY, ONE 37 OH SEVEN, MY BAND DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. DIDN'T WE PULL THAT OFF THE CHIEF'S PLATE RECENTLY AND PUT IT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. OKAY. THAT, THAT IS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THAT SAME ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED ON NOVEMBER 9TH. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED, SO IT'S, IT'S TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS VERSION. YOU DON'T HAVE THE CODE YET. FAIR ENOUGH. BECAUSE OF THE RECENT ILLNESS. OKAY. THAT'LL WORK. OKAY. THAT'S ALL ACTIVE FOR 30 DAYS PAST THE ADOPTION DATE OF NOVEMBER 9TH, SO, OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHICH SECTION ARE WE ON? YOU SAID THAT WE JUMPED AROUND A, YEAH. WE HAVE BEEN JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT IN TITLE FIVE RIGHT NOW. [01:35:02] UM, JIM DON HAS HIS HAND. OH, SORRY, DON THAT'S OKAY. UH, JUST, UH, WHEN TONY SAID DOWN, I DID A QUICK SEARCH ON DESIGNEE AND, UH, IT IS THROUGHOUT THE CODE, EVEN THE FINANCE DIRECTORS, DESIGNEE, UH, CITY MANAGER. UM, THERE ARE MANY POSITIONS WHERE WE'RE THAT, OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE IS, UM, USED IN THE LONG BRIDGE. SO I WONDER IF WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING OUT, WENT BACK TO DEFINITIONS AS TO WHAT THAT WORD ACTUALLY MEANS AND GIVE IT AS JIM A SUGGESTION OR SOME TYPE OF, UM, DEFINITION, MEANING RATHER THAN JUST, UM, MY NEWSPAPER BOY. YEAH. UH, OKAY. UH, GOING BACK TO, I THINK, WHERE WE KIND OF LEFT OFF IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THINGS, UM, ONE OH ONE 31 OH NINE, UM, DEALS WITH MAILBOX REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT POLICY. UM, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE OR BECAUSE IT IS A POLICY IT'S NOT, AND I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE IS, IS IT SOMETHING THAT REALLY BELONGS AS PART OF OUR CODE, OR IF IT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO RENT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKS OR WHATEVER. WELL, IT WAS ADOPTED AS AN ORDINANCE AT THE TIME. I WILL TELL YOU, IT SEEMS LIKE A MINOR ISSUE, BUT IT WAS WELL DEBATED. I, I REMEMBER THAT THIS IS, UH, A POLICY THAT IS UTILIZED MANY, MANY TIMES DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. UM, YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF, UM, MAILBOXES THAT THE CITY DOES REPLACE. USUALLY IT'S AN ISSUE WHERE THE SNOWPLOWS, UH, UH, INADVERTENTLY, UH, TAKE OUT THE MAILBOX AND THEN, UM, THE, THE HOMEOWNERS COMPENSATED UNDER THIS PROCEDURE, THE MAILBOX MAILBOXES REPLACED. UM, SO IT, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ORDINANCE. THAT'S MY IN CLASS, IT WAS PASSED AS AN ORDINANCE AT THE TIME OF LAND IN, YEAH. ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC, LOOKING AT THAT, I MEAN, THIS HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED FOR 10 YEARS. TIME HAS CHANGED IS 35 BUCKS APPROPRIATE. UM, I DID MAKE IT ONLINE. THE CHEAPEST ONE I COULD FIND RIGHT NOW WAS THAT LIKE A STANDING ONE WAS LIKE 30 BUCKS AT LOWE'S. I DON'T THINK THEY HAD IT. I DON'T THINK IT WAS ONE YOU COULD RUN UP AND GET, YOU HAD TO ORDER IT. I LOOKED AT AMAZON AND THERE'S A THING, THE SAME PRICE AT AMAZON, BUT THERE'S A THING ON AMAZON. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PRICE FLUCTUATES A FEW YEARS AGO. THAT ONE THAT WAS $30. IT WAS LIKE $50. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, UH, THE CITY COULD HAVE A SPECIFIC MODEL OR SOMETHING THAT WE, WELL, THAT'D BE KIND OF HARD. MY THING IS PRICES FLUCTUATE A LOT 10 YEARS IN ONE YEAR ANYMORE. A PRICE OF A MAILBOX WILL PROBABLY FLUCTUATE A LOT. UM, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT FIVE WAS APPROPRIATE STILL OR NOT. IF IT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED. I DON'T KNOW. AND I WOULD THINK MAYBE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER IS WRITING THOSE CHECKS MIGHT HAVE KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'D BEEN COSTING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND MAYBE THEY CAN SEE IF THAT'S, IF IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE OR I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S ALL BASED ON WHAT THE CITY'S COST IS FOR THIS. SO WHAT IS THE CITY'S CURRENT COST? BECAUSE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN EQUIVALENT NUMBER TO THE CITY'S MAILBOX COSTS. YEAH. I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH OUR, AT, AT, UH, THE STATE WE PUT UP JUST THE CHEAPEST MAILBOX, YOU CAN FIND IN A POST THAT'S WHAT YOU GET, BECAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE POST OFFICE. OKAY. AND IT DOES SAY IN HERE THAT IF YOU WANT A MORE EXPENSIVE ONE, YOU CAN GET LIKE THE $35 TO APPLY TOWARDS SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I CAN CHECK WITH MY GRAY AND SEE IF, YOU KNOW, HE'S GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO, UH, UH, LOOKING AT THAT AMOUNT AND, AND, AND SUGGESTING A REVISED AMOUNT. CAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT ADMINISTERS THE POLICY. AND WE GOT JOHN DOES THIS 35 SOUND [01:40:01] REASONABLE AND ERECT, UH, CURRENTLY JOAN OR, WELL, I CAN'T TAKE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON THEM, BUT I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH FOR A CHEAP MAILBOX AND HER $10 AT WALMART, NOT WELL, BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT TIME AND PUTTING IT UP AND YOU GOT TO BUY A POST AND ALL THOSE THINGS TOO, SO CONCRETE, WHATEVER DAY, RIGHT? WELL, THIS, THE CITY WILL INSTALL THE POSTS FOR AS PART OF THIS. UH, IF YOU, UH, READ UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, THEY, THEY WILL DO THE WORK OF THE INSTALLATION. IF IT, IF THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE RIGHT IN THE WINTER, WE USUALLY JUST RUN OUT AND THROW ONE ON A BARREL. AND JUST SO THEY HAVE A MAILBOX FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME, MEANING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMENT. YES. THANK YOU, JOHN. UH, TONY, THERE WAS A LONG IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT NOT REPLACING THE MAILBOX. IF IT WAS TAKEN OUT BY THE SNOW BEING, UM, SHOT ACROSS FROM THE PLOW. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE, UH, THE CITY DOES DO THAT. THEY DO REPLACE A MAILBOX IF THE SNOW TAKES THE MAILBOX OUT. UH, UH, IS THAT JUST A POLICY THING THAT MIKE DOES OR, UM, BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IN HERE SAYS, UH, IT HAS TO BE A DIRECT CONTACT. UM, WELL, I THINK I, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE POLICY IS THAT IF, IF THE PLOW THROWS NOW ONTO IT AND THE SNOW HITS UP AT THE PLOW, DOESN'T HIT IT DIRECTLY, UM, THAT WE STILL REPLACE IT. BUT I CAN VERIFY THAT. YEAH, THAT'S THAT, UH, SECTION THREE B YES, MA'AM. AND IT DOES SAY IN HERE THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS MANAGERS SHOULD PERIODICALLY REVIEW THIS POLICY TO RECOMMEND CHANGES REVISIONS TO THE CITY MANAGER IS NECESSARY. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE REMEMBERS TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE AMOUNT AND GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE POLICY, UH, ACTUALLY IS FOR REPLACEMENT. DO YOU KNOCK A BOX OFF WITH SNOW? YOU'RE EITHER GOING TOO FAST OR THE OPPOSITE. YEAH, PROBABLY. SO, YEAH, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PROVISION, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TONY, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WORKS MAKING ROCK COMMITTEE, AGAIN, THAT ALL SEEMS TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT A POLICY WOULD BE, NOT NECESSARILY IN AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE TO CHANGE THAT IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE. WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD SEEM THAT THIS WOULD FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER TO, TO ADMINISTER RATHER THAN HA AND IF, IF, IF IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FROM 35 TO 45 OR WHATEVER THAT AS OPPOSED TO, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS THAT WENT INTO THIS, BUT LIKE I SAY, I JUST, THE WHOLE, WHEN I READ IT, I SEE IT AS SOMETHING MORE OF A PROCEDURE AS A POLICY, AS OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE, MY GUESS IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT, UH, OUTCRY OVER THIS ISSUE AND THE HIGH NUMBER OF INCIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, THAT IT WAS MADE IN ORDINANCE TO SIGNIFY THE, THE IMPORTANCE THAT COUNCIL ATTACHED TO IT AT THE TIME. SO, OKAY. I MEAN, I WAS ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, SO YEAH. I MEAN, I REMEMBER THAT THIS DISCUSSION, SO, YEAH. OKAY. UH, SO IF I UNDERSTOOD THE CONVERSATION PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY, THE DISCUSSION DEALING WITH ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DELINEATED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL SECTIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND MODIFIED RECENTLY BY COUNCIL. YES. AND I DID SEND THESE SECTIONS TO THE, UH, RELEVANT CITY STAFF WHEN I SENT THE PACKET OUT TO YOU GUYS AND ASKED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT OR FEEDBACK FROM CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT. AND I, I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BRIAN BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ALL OF THOSE. THERE WAS ONE THING I STOOD OUT TO ME ON ONE 31.03 OWNERSHIP WAS CITY DEVELOPED, COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. NOW I KNOW THAT WAS PASSED IN 1985. IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, NOT A LOT OF WHAT IS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. MAYBE THE WORD INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY COULD BE USED SOMEWHERE IN THERE INSTEAD OF COMPUTER PROGRAMMING IN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT ANYMORE IS COMPUTER PROGRAMMING IS MOST PEOPLE KIND OF MOST ENTITIES BUY THEIR PROGRAMMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY CREATE A LOT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THROUGH THESE. I'M NOT SURE [01:45:01] HOW MUCH INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THE CITY IS ALLOWED TO OWN, BECAUSE I KNOW AT LEAST FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ANYTHING THEY MAKE IS PUBLIC DOMAIN AUTOMATICALLY. UM, AT THE CITY LEVEL, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HOW MUCH WE'RE ALLOWED TO OWN. I'LL PUT THAT ON THE LIST FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE TERMINOLOGY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY AND, AND, AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF IT HAS, YOU KNOW, CHANGE. THE REALITY IS IN MOST CASES TODAY, WE'RE NOT CREATING OUR OWN SOFTWARE. WE'RE BUYING PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE FROM OTHER VENDORS. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEWHERE IN THAT PROVISION, DO THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THE CITY'S WEBSITE? YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY. UM, THEY WERE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION, SO THEY WEREN'T CODIFIED, BUT THEY THERE, THOSE DO EXIST. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON THEN TO THE VARIOUS SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS, UM, LIKE I SAY, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF LIKE THE FIRST DEPARTMENT IS THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND DO WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, IS THERE SUCH A THING? YES. UM, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, HEADED BY THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THAT SEES THAT SIDE OF THE AFFAIRS, WHICH IS, UH, MR. CHUCK KOSKI. AND THEN UNDERNEATH THAT, UM, THE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, WHICH IS, UH, JASON FOSTER AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST, WHICH IS, UH, SARAH WILLIAMS. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE WHAT WE DEFINE AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY. OKAY. AND SO GETTING BACK TO, I THINK IT WAS LEN'S COMMENT, THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REFERRED TO IN ONE 34 OH ONE A, IS THAT, DOES THAT DIRECTORSHIP ACTUALLY EXIST OR IS THAT ACTUALLY SOME OTHER, LIKE UNDER, IS THERE A TITLE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SIMILAR TO LIKE WHERE MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER ALSO SERVES AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT? UM, IT'S A DUAL ROLE. OKAY. AND THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATIONS LAID OUT OF THE TABLE OF ORGANIZATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THEN, LIKE I SAY, IN LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS OTHER, YOU KNOW, ONE 35 DEALS WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE DIVISIONS UNDER THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT'S STILL ACCURATE. OKAY. UH, THEN THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING, UM, IS THAT STILL ACCURATE? YES. AND IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, SCOTT, VAL KOSKI ALSO ACTS AS THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, IN ADDITION TO HIS DUTIES AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. OKAY. BECAUSE, WELL, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION THEN IS, CAUSE IT'S IN THE, IN ONE 31, SIX OH ONE, IT TALKS ABOUT IT'S BEING MANAGED BY THE CITY PLANNER. SHOULD THAT BE CHANGED? I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC ONE, BUT THERE WERE ALSO IN THIS LEGISLATION PASSED ON NOVEMBER NINE. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THE, UH, THAT RELATED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. OKAY. CAUSE IF IT'S A DIRECTOR, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TITLES CORRECT IN THE LEGISLATION IS, IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, UH, FROM THE CITY MANAGER WAS THAT THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST APPROVED, APPROVED, UH, REPRESENTED ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO BRING THE EXISTING, UH, TABLE OF ORGANIZATION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN THE NEXT IS A DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. FIRST [01:50:01] THING DEALS WITH THE EXPLORER POST. UM, ARE THEY STILL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BOY SCOUTS? ARE THEY STILL CONNECTED? AND THEY STILL HAVE THE EXPLORER POST? AND I KNOW THEY HAVE THE EXPLORER POSTS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE TIED TO THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA AS INDICATED. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. OKAY. WELL I DO BOTH. OKAY. UH, AND I ASSUME THAT THE, IN ONE 3,700 TO ABOUT STORAGE FEES FOR PROPERTY HELD AS EVIDENCE, I ASSUME THAT'S STILL THE PRACTICE. THAT'S THE CORRECT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ARE USING CORRECT. AND DIVISION OF FIRE IS, UH, I I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S STILL PRETTY THAT'S. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES TO THE DIVISION OF FIRE SINCE THIS LEGISLATION? UH, NOT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CHANGES, UH, TO THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL WITHIN THOSE DIVISIONS, BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT AT THIS LEVEL. OKAY. ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT SECTION, ANYBODY, AND JUST FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN ANYTIME. UM, THEN YOU GOT THE INFORMATION REWARD PROGRAM. UM, AGAIN, WHEN I SAW THAT, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT WAS AN ORDINANCE, AS OPPOSED TO NOT A POLICY UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE, WITHIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY PARAMETERS. BUT I MEAN, IT IS AN ORDINANCE AND IT SEEMS TO SERVE A VALID PURPOSE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, UH, NUMBER, LET'S SEE ONE 37 OH FIVE PRIVATE SECURITY SERVICES POLICY. NOW THIS WAS ANOTHER HOTLY CONTESTED ISSUE BACK WHEN I WAS ON. UM, IS IT, IS IT WORKING THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO WORK? UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ISSUES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CAPACITIES WHERE, UH, OPPORTUNITY POLICE OFFICERS ARE HIRED TO WORK IN, UH, PRIVATE SECURITY CAPACITY. AND, UM, I, I ALL ACCOUNTS I'VE HEARD IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD SOMETHING ELSE NOW. WE WENT THROUGH A LOT, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, DISCUSSION THAT COME UP WITH US. SO I WASN'T WILLING TO SAY, I REALLY WASN'T SURE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS STILL BEING WHAT WAS BEING USED AND IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING BY ALL ACCOUNTS. SO ANY SUGGESTIONS OR CHANGES TO THAT THAN ANYBODY. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. LET'S SEE. UH, AND YOU GOT THE DIVISION OF POLICE DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION OF BUILDING. I FOUND PARAGRAPH C ON WAIT. NO. YEAH. PARAGRAPH C ON DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, AWKWARD. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS JUST CHANGED THAT THAT'S BEEN MOVED BACK UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND OUT FROM UNDER THE PLACE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND UH, OKAY. ONE OH THREE ONE THREE SEVEN OH EIGHT DIVISION BUILDING THAT'S WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO HAVE SUCH AS BASICALLY DESIGNATING THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACTS AS THE CITY'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO ANY OF THOSE FUNCTIONS ARE PERFORMED BY MONTGOMERY COUNTY. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO ACT ON OUR BEHALF IN THAT REGARD. SO PLANS AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEY REVIEW ALL LIKE PLANS AND THAT STYLE WOULDN'T BE PLANNED SO MUCH. THAT'S DONE BY OUR PLANNING, BUT LIKE, UH, ISSUING BUILDING PERMITS AND CONSTRUCTION, PERMITS THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. THE NEXT ONE IS DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION OR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. UM, AND WHO IS THAT? THE PART, THE DIVISION OF THE PAR SHALL BE, UM, [01:55:05] HAD, UH, HEADED BY THE, UH, LAWSON NOW, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER, UH, THAT WITHIN THIS LEGISLATION THAT WAS JUST CHANGED AS WELL. UH, THE TITLE IS PARKS MANAGER. OKAY. UH, THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN THAT MOST RECENT LEGISLATION. SO WE KIND OF HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON, BUT THE DIVISION WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION IS MANAGED NOW BY THE PARKS MAJOR POSITION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HUBER HEIGHTS, Y TO ACT AS THE CITY'S, UM, RECREATION DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THAT THEY PERFORM ON BEHALF, BUT IT'S ALL INTEGRATED UNDER THIS NEW PARKS MANAGER POSITION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THE PARKS MANAGER, WHO, WHO, WHO IS THAT PERSON OR WHO IS THE KING NOW? OKAY. JOSH GANG. OKAY. AND THEN THE SENIOR CITIZENS SENIOR CENTER DIVISION. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S WEIRD, BUT IT'S UNDER THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. OKAY. UM, AND JOSH HAS NOW IN THIS NEW LEGISLATION, HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT OF THE SENIOR CENTER. OKAY. UH, MAYBE THE RECREATION COMPONENT. THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. OKAY. THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. UH, THE MUSIC CENTER DIVISION. UH, WELL, LET'S SEE. I FORGET THAT'D BE QUANTIC CENTER AND THE MUSIC AQUATIC CENTER. YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE ALSO, UH, UNDER THAT SAME, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT OVERALL PARKS AND RECREATION. UH, HOWEVER, UH, LIKE IT SAYS WITH THE MUSIC CENTER, WE HAVE A FACILITY OPERATOR, UM, IN THE SAME AT THE AQUATIC CENTER THAT DOES OUR CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH, UH, DIFFERENT VENDORS TO, TO OPERATE THOSE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. OKAY. UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, CHAPTER ONE 39, UM, UH, THE BRITAIN'S BRIDGE INSPECTION DUTIES, UH, IS THAT DONE BY THE CITY OR IS THAT DONE BY THE COUNTY? UM, OR IS IT DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF BRIDGE IT IS? IT, IT DEPENDS ON, UH, WHO DOES IT, BUT I THINK IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES, UM, THE, THE BIGGER BRIDGES ON THE MAJOR ENTERS LIKE, UH, ROUTE FOUR WOULD BE ODAT AND, UH, THEN STATE ROUTE TWO OH ONE AND TWO AND TWO WOULD HAVE OUR DOT INVOLVEMENT. AND THEN THE COUNTY ENGINEERS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES, BUT THERE IS A DELINEATION DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ROADWAY AND THE LOCATION OF THE ROW OR THE BRIDGE WHO HAS RESPONSIBLE AUTHORITY. JOHN MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. DEAD ANIMAL REMOVAL AND DISPOSAL. UM, THEN THE DIVISION OF PARKS AND RECREATION. UM, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ONE'S THERE WHEN IT'S ALREADY IN ANOTHER SECTION AND GO, I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THIS ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGER AND SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER. SO I'M GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT ONE ALREADY THAT ONE, WHEN WE MAY ABLE TO DELETE ALL TOGETHER OR RECOMMEND BEING DELETED, IF IT'S COVERED ELSEWHERE AND DIVISION OF ENGINEERING, UH, THAT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGE. YEAH. THAT'S A DIVISION UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES, THE CITY ENGINEERS, THEY HEADED THAT DEPARTMENT AND THEN DIVISION OF PUBLIC WORKS. SAME THING. YEAH. THAT'S THE PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, WHICH IS MIKE GRAY THAT OVERSEES THAT DIVISION, UH, THEN DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND WE HAVE A HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. I RECALL. YEAH. IT USED TO BE A MANAGER IN 2015. IT WAS CHANGED TO A DIRECTOR AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE ORDINANCE. UH, NO NOTICE THE TIER OF THE CITATION THAT'S HERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST NOTING THAT, UM, TONY'S CORRECT. THAT HAD FIRE VISIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION, THAT WHOLE SECTION ON MINE, WHATEVER, THAT'S ALL BEEN STRIPED THROUGH ON THE ORDINANCE IT'S BEEN DELETED. [02:00:01] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT SECTION DEALS, UH, BONDS FOR OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES. UM, OKAY. I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION LAST TIME THAT THESE AMOUNTS WERE CHANGED WAS BACK IN 1990. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE BOND AMOUNT SHOULD BE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE HIGHER, SHOULD BE LOWER. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE DOING. UM, I'LL CHECK WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR ON THAT. IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED TODAY AS MINIMUM AMOUNTS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THEY ARE IN FACT HIGHER. I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I WILL CHECK WITH HIM TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, UH, DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD BE HAD AS FAR AS INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF THOSE BONDS. OKAY. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE, LIKE I SAY, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE DATE, THEN WE HAVE, THE NEXT THING IS THE, UH, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PLAN. UM, WHICH, UM, THE PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS NOT HERE IS JUST THE, OR ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE, THE CREATION OF THE PLAN. UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE, I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A RATHER EXTENSIVE PLAN IN PLACE. THERE IS A, THIS PARALLELS, THE EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL MANUAL. UM, I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS BEING LOOKED AT NOW AS PART OF THE, UH, CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY, UH, CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THEY, UH, IDENTIFIED AS A, UH, AREA THEY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW. SO THERE MAY BE SOME STUFF, UH, COMING, UH, OUT OF THAT FOR CHANGES, UM, THAT WOULD BE FROM THAT COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE THEN ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT ONE OH ONE 41 OH THREE FROM ANYONE? OH, ONE 41.04. UM, THAT I THINK THAT, THAT WENT THROUGH A RATHER EXTENSIVE REVIEW PREVIOUSLY ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR THINGS. ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, UPDATED WITH REGARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THEY, THE IDEA BEHIND IT, ALL THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE EMPLOYEES BEING CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS WITH PEOPLE ON COUNCIL AND MAYOR. UM, AND, UH, NO COMMENTS MOVING ON, UH, THE ONE OH ONE 41 OH SEVEN, THE OHIO PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DEFERRED COMPENSATION BOARD. AGAIN, THAT'S, I'M ASSUMING ALL OF THAT IS DICTATED BY STATE LAW. AND PROBABLY I'M GUESSING PROBABLY EITHER MIRRORS WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS OR HAS BEEN ADOPTED PURSUANT TO THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE STATE LAW. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE HAD JERRY LOOK AT IT, THE BANK SURE. THAT IT IS STILL CONSISTENT WITH THAT STATE LAW. BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE WAS, I THINK THE LAST TIME IT WAS PARTS OF IT WAS REVIEWED IN 1990. PARTS OF IT WAS REVIEWED IN 88 AND PARTS OF IT WAS REVIEWED 86, SO, OR CHANGES I SHOULD SAY, WERE MADE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PROBABLY IS CONSISTENT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE LOOKED AT THAT BACK END. UH, I DON'T THINK WE DID OTHER THAN REFERRED IT TO JERRY OR BACK [02:05:01] THEN, IT WAS PROBABLY OUR, OH, LET'S SEE. UH, YEAH, ONCE CHAPTER ONE 40, THE DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY THAT KIND OF GETS TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER THAT THERE IS AN ACTUAL DEPARTMENT, AN IT DEPARTMENT. AND SO SOME OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE WE WANT TO DO SOME THAT WEBS, YOU KNOW, THE, SOME OF THE SOFTWARE PROVISIONS, MAYBE YOU SUGGESTED IT'D BE MOVED UNDER MORE UNDER SECTION ONE 42. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER TO KEEP THAT SECTION? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW SECTION, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PASSED IN 2015, UM, THEN THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD, UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S LARGELY FROM THE CHARTER AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER. SO THERE, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT THERE BE ANY CHANGES IN THAT AREA. RIGHT, RIGHT. UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THAT'S ALSO A CHARTER, UH, ESTABLISHED, UH, COMMISSION. UM, AND SO THAT LANGUAGE MIRRORS WHAT'S IN THE CHARTER AS FAR AS THAT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE ANY UPDATES FOR THAT EITHER. HEY, THE, THE, UH, THE THOROUGHFARE AIR PLAN THAT'S REFERENCED IN ONE 45.04. IS THERE ANYTHING THE LAST ONE WAS DONE IN 2011? UM, IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, REVIEWED AND MODIFIED AT ANY POINT IN TIME? UH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ENGINEER AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2011. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, I WILL CHECK WITH HIM. YEAH. I MEAN, NOT THAT IT REALLY IS ANYTHING OTHER THAN IF NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF LIKE MAYBE REMIND THEM THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO DO IT. UM, OREGON ZONING APPEALS AGAIN, UH, THAT'S ALSO A CHARTER ESTABLISHED BOARD, RIGHT. BOARD OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE THE CHARTER ESTABLISHED BOARD, RIGHT. UH, AND HOUSING BOARD. UH, ONE THING I HAD ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS, UM, AND THIS ALSO WOULD APPLY TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASONS IN HERE IN THE CODE, THEY SPECIFY, UH, ALTERNATING TERMS OF FOUR YEARS FOR THOSE TWO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, BY PRACTICE, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY, IT'S BEEN THREE YEAR TERMS FOR THOSE BOARDS. SO, UM, I THINK AT A MINIMUM, UM, THE CODE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO REFLECT THE REALITY. OKAY. THINKING THAT'S FROM FOUR YEARS TO THREE YEARS TO REFLECT. OKAY. UM, THE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED SOMEWHERE, AND I FORGET IT, IT DEALS WITH THE O UH, THE HEARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION. IT HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE MEMBERS HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, UM, AND KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADDRESSED IN LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE BOARD OF PARKS AND RECREATION. UM, AND I'M NOT, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO ANYBODY I HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THAT, WHERE THE TWO-THIRDS OF WHERE THAT COMES FROM AND WHY IS IT LIMITED TO THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. I WILL TELL YOU THAT ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION HAS HAD KIND OF A, A STORY PAST, UH, IT ORIGINALLY WAS THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION AND THE ARTS COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT THEY DECIDED TO COMBINE THEM AS FAR AS THEIR DUTIES. [02:10:01] UM, THE CHARTER DOES SAY THAT MEMBERS OF, UH, VOTING MEMBERS OF CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ELECTORS OF THE CITY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT EVEN EXISTS IN THERE. UM, WE DO ALLOW, UH, THE APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL NON-VOTING SPECIAL LIAISONS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO ARE NOT RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. IF THEY HAVE SOME CONTRIBUTION THEY CAN MAKE. UH, BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, ALL MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE, UH, CITY ELECTORS RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. OKAY. YEAH. LIKE I SAY, ON THE ONES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO SUGGEST THAT THAT BE REMOVED, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE INCONSISTENT THEN WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE ELECTORS, THE WAY THAT THAT ONE WAS WORDED. IT SOUNDS LIKE THROUGH THIRD TIME TO BE RESIDENTS IN ONE ONE-THIRD HAS TO BE NON RESIDENCE. SO IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY LEGALLY REQUIRED TO BE ALL RESIDENTS. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WAS, I JUST, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD STRIKE THAT OUT OF THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, IN PRACTICE, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION ARE ELECTORS. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S SEE. LIKE I SAY, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A HOUSING BOARD ACCORDING TO THEM. UM, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S I THINK, IS THAT ESTABLISHED BY CHARTER OR NO, THAT WAS BY LEGISLATION OF CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, UM, AND THE ORDINANCE REVIEW AND CHARTER REVIEW, UM, WHERE W ONES, UH, THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY, UM, BY THE CHARTER, UM, ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION IS, UM, BY LEGISLATION. THE ONLY OTHER ONE I HAD A COMMENT ON, UH, WAS THE, UM, UH, TAX APPEALS BOARD. UH, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE. UH, THAT'S NOW CALLED THE TAX REVIEW BOARD. AND SO, UH, THAT NAME NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. THAT JUST HAPPENED A FEW YEARS AGO. OKAY. MM. BUT THE WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD, THAT'S ALL CONSISTENT. UM, THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY ACT, CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION IN THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION, THAT'S ALL ACCURATE, ACCURATE, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN CREATED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OH, THE ONE THING THAT I DO HAVE IS ON THE CULTURAL AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMITTEE, I NOTICED THAT IT WAS CREATED BY RESOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO ORDINANCE IT HAS A RESOLUTION NUMBER AS TO AN ORDINANCE. IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC REASON, BUT I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AT THE TIME. AND, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS THE COURSE OF ACTION THEY WERE PRESENTING. AND, UH, JERRY MCDONALD, THE LAW DIRECTOR SAID THAT, UM, IT'S NOTED IN THE CHARTER THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CAN BE CREATED BY RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE IF IT'S PERMISSIBLE EITHER WAY. OKAY. THAT'S EVEN THOUGH IT WAS CREATED THAT WAY, THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS EXACTLY. THAT'S THE SAME REASON I RAISED THE ISSUE. SO SHOULD IT ACTUALLY BE IN OUR CODE SINCE IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, IT HAS THE SAME, IT COULD BE PASSED THE SAME WAY, BUT SHOULD EVEN BE IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. WELL, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES DO INCLUDE RESOLUTIONS AT TIMES, DEPENDING ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ALL OF THE CHANGES TO, UM, OUR TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND SUCH ARE DONE BY RESOLUTION, NOT BY ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO, UM, THEY MAKE AN ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE CONTENT ABOUT WHICH ONES GO INTO THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES. UM, SO THEY, WE SEND THEM ALL RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND THEY MAKE THE DECISION. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS LISTED. OKAY. [02:15:01] ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT I HAVE WITH THE REP. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT? I'LL GO AHEAD. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UH, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, TONY, THERE'S NO ZERO REFERENCE IN HERE TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE BECOMING POPULAR LATELY AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE REGULATED IN ANY MANNER MANNER. AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EVEN MENTIONED. UM, SHOULD THAT BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE IT'S JUST, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. UM, THEY ARE REFERENCE TO SOME DEGREE IN THE, UM, IN THE RULES OF COUNCIL. UH, THERE IS SOME TALK OF COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES. UM, NOW THEY'RE A SUB COMMITTEE OR A COMMITTEE OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION. UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT EXPLICITLY REFERENCED IN OUR CODIFIED ORDINANCES, UH, THEY'RE CONSIDERED PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEY'RE BOUND BY ALL THE LIMITATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS APPLIES TO PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES FOR A COMMITTEE OR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AS THEY DO FOR ANY OTHER MEETING OF THE FULL COMMISSION OR BOARD. UM, SO THAT'S GOVERNED IN, IN, UNDER THE MEETINGS ACT AND, UH, THE OHIO SUNSHINE LAWS. UM, SO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO EXPLICITLY ENDORSE, UM, SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATION THAT SPELLED OUT, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, UH, WE COULD DO THAT, UH, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DECISION OF COUNCIL TO DO SO. OKAY. I, I JUST, AGAIN, THERE WAS A QUESTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS KIND OF A NEW OCCURRENCE WITH SOME COMMITTEES WITHIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WRITTEN TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN. UM, UM, WHERE'S IT, DO THEY PRIMARILY REFERS TO COUNCIL COMMITTEES FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE THEY WERE USED THERE, THERE ARE SOME REFERENCES IN THE BOARD AND COMMISSION HANDBOOK FOR THE CITY ABOUT COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES AND THE ABILITY OF, OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO CREATE THOSE WITHIN THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE FOR ALL THE CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO HAVE THEIR OWN OPERATING RULES AND PROCEDURES SIMILAR TO THE RULES OF COUNCIL. UH, SOME OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE THOSE OTHERS DO NOT. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO GO ABOUT ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THESE SECTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, JOE. YEAH. UM, ON A COUPLE THINGS, UM, PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION ON THE COMPETITION AND OFFICERS, THE LAST SENTENCE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST SENTENCE. UH, THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION SHALL APPOINT A SECRETARY WHO SERVES AT THEIR PLEASURE. UM, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS WHETHER THERE IS REFERRING TO THE SECRETARY OR THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION. SO MAYBE REPLACED THERE WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONS POSSESSIVE. YEAH. AND THAT THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSION DOESN'T APPOINTED SECRETARY, MY DEPUTY, UH, CLERK OF COUNCIL ACTS AS THE SECRETARY FOR THE PUBLIC RECORDS COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. UM, ON THE SECTION, RIGHT AFTER THAT ON LAST SENTENCE, RECORDS IS TWO, TWO WORDS THAT ARE RIGHT. RECORDS MAY BE DISPOSE OF THE COMMISSION FOR CERTAIN TO THE PROCEDURES TAKE, I SHOULD SAY, OUTLINED IN OHIO REVISED CODE OR OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LAW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. HERE AND, UM, THINKING THE CULTURE, THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY COMMISSION, UH, WHERE IT SAYS ONE 59 OH TWO TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOWN TO, UH, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATE, JUST NEVER STOPPED. LET ME START OVER. WE'RE STARTS WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RACE, ETHNICITY, COLOR, OR NATURAL ORIGIN, UH, NO ADULT TO PLACE, BECAUSE WITH, DUE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY CHANGES IT. UM, [02:20:03] AND THEN I WILL JUST SAY ON THAT ONE THAT, UM, THAT'S VERBATIM THE LANGUAGE FROM THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. I HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS, BUT SURE. UH, MY GENERAL QUESTION, UH, LOOK LIKE LAST TIME AND IN THE 2010 ONE, THEY, UH, DELIVERED, THEY, THEY, WE DIDN'T DELIVER EVERYTHING AT THE END. WE'VE DELIVERED IT. WELL, THEY DELIVERED IT PIECEMEAL. WAS THAT SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS TIME? UH, I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPRECIATE IT BEING DELIVERED TO THEM AS WE DELIBERATE, UH, RATHER THAN GETTING EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. GLEN, YOU CAN CHIME IN ON THAT ONE. OH, NO. I'D RATHER GET A COUPLE HUNDRED PIECES ALL AT ONCE AND STAY ALL NIGHT. YEAH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. I'M AN ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE AFTER WE HAVE THE LEGAL REVIEW AND THIS GROUP HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH REVIEWED IT AND THEN LOOK BACK AT ANY PROPOSED CHANGES AND, AND SANCTIONED THOSE CHANGES AS THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO CHANGE. UM, THEN WE WOULD FOR THESE ONTO COUNCIL, UM, GENERALLY IT'S EASIEST TO TAKE THE COUNCIL IN GROUPS THAT FOLLOW EITHER THE CHAPTERS OR THE TITLES, UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHANGING ALL OF THE SECTIONS IN ONE AREA OF THE CODE AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO AGAIN, IS THIS PROCESS MOVES ALONG. SO AS WE GET THROUGH CHAPTER ONE AND, UH, THESE CHANGES ARE WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND THEN THE COMMISSION'S ONS ARE REVIEWING CHAPTER THREE. UH, AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THAT, THEN I'LL BE MOVING CHAPTER ONE ONTO THE NEXT STAGE, AND WE'LL KEEP THAT GOING IN PIECES. SO THAT THERE'S A CONTINUOUS MOVE UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AS FAR AS REVIEWING THOSE ITEMS AND, AND WORKING TO IMPLEMENT THEM. UH, THE FINAL REPORT WILL INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED AT THAT POINT IN ANYTHING OUTSTANDING AT THAT POINT. UH, BUT THERE WILL BE A CONTINUOUS PROCESS OF UPDATE. THE OTHER ADVANTAGE OF DOING IT THAT WAY TOO, IS THAT IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING OR ASKING FOR, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BRING THEM BACK WHILE WE'RE STILL CONSTITUTED AND NOT AFTER WE DISBANDED AS A COMMISSION. SO, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION ON, ON SOME OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE CODE, UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE A LIST WE DON'T USE WHAT'S CALLED AN OXFORD COMMA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STANDARD IN OHIO LEGISLATION. I KNEW THERE WAS A CASE IN MAINE LAW LAW WHERE SOMEBODY LOST THE CASE BECAUSE THE OXFORD COMMA DIDN'T EXIST. UH, OXFORD COMMONS, JUST THAT LAST COMMENT BEFORE, AND LIKE ONE, TWO AND THREE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CARE ABOUT. UM, GENERALLY THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED, UH, VIA THE, UH, CODIFICATION PROVIDER. UH, THEY HAVE A SET, UH, PROTOCOL FOR, UH, THINGS LIKE PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ON BIGGER POINTS. WE CAN GIVE THEM DIRECTION AND THEY WILL CUSTOMIZE TO OUR SPECIFICATIONS ON SOME OF IT. IT'S JUST A STANDARDIZATION THAT'S DONE. UH, I GOT THAT BINDER AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE. I MEAN, WE COULD LEGISLATE IT AT AUCTION IN THERE, BUT YEAH, I KNOW. AND THAT'S LIKE A BIG ARGUMENT WHETHER THEY USE THAT OR NOT. BUT, UM, I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF USING IT OR NOT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, UM, HOW WOULD I, HOW WOULD WE FIND OUT WHICH, WHICH ORDINANCES ARE THE MOST , YOU KNOW, THOSE MIGHT BE ONES WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT CLOSER. SO IF LIKE EVERYBODY VIOLATES THIS ONE ORDINANCE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO GET RID OF, OR, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. UM, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT DATA WOULD BE GATHERED ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ITEMS IN HERE. LIKE SAY AN ORDINANCE THAT SPELLS OUT THE, THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE, UH, ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION. UH, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY TRACKING OF VIOLATIONS OF THAT. THE ONLY ONES THAT I THINK YOU'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, DATA ON WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THE NAIL BOX REPLACEMENT PUBLIC WORKS TO TELL US HOW MANY MAILBOXES THEY REPLACED EACH YEAR, UM, IN THE CRIMINAL CODE WHEN WE GET TO THAT, OR WHEN WE GET TO SOME OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING THINGS, UH, THEY CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS THEY HAVE IN [02:25:01] SPECIFIC AREAS. UM, SO SOME OF THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE ARE MORE DATA DRIVEN THAN, UM, OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. OKAY. UH, WELL, ANY IDEA, TONY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE NEXT MEETING IN TERMS OF WHAT SECTIONS WE SHOULD, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE REMAINING PARTS OF A CHAPTER ONE. UM, IF MY RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT, THAT'S A LOT OF DEALING WITH, UH, BIDDING PURCHASING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, MORE FINANCE-RELATED, UH, PROCESSES. UM, AND SOME OF THOSE GET A LITTLE TACTICAL. I KNOW WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE LAST ROUND, LIKE THE MINIMUM SPENDING AMOUNT BEFORE COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION USED TO BE $15,000 ANNUALLY, UH, WITH ONE VENDOR, UH, AT THE TIME, BECAUSE THAT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED, THAT HADN'T BEEN RAISED 10 YEARS AGO TO $25,000 PER VENDOR. UH, SO IT'S THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, COMBATITIVE BEDDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS TRUST ME TO, UH, REVIEW THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AND, AND THEN GET YOU OUT THE APPROPRIATE NEXT SECTIONS IN AN AMOUNT THAT'S DOABLE, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PROCEED IN THAT COURSE. AND, UM, AND, UH, GET THAT OUT TO YOU. WELL, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO START REVIEWING THAT WHILE WE WORK ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND GETTING MINUTES TOGETHER FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. YEAH. I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO, UH, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO, LIKE, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH FINANCE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LET THEM KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY INPUT OR THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS BASED ON ISSUES AND PROBLEMS OR CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THEM TO GET THEM TO YOU SO THAT THEY CAN BE RELAYED TO US. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I DID WITH THIS ACTION AND SEND IT TO THE RELEVANT PEOPLE. I WILL DO THAT AGAIN. AND THEN, UM, MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF THEY HAVE CHANGES TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING AND SPEAK TO THOSE DIRECTLY AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE MEETING, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE TO THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT I HAVE STRESS TO ALL OF THEM AND THE CITY MANAGER, THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET PAST THESE AND THINK WE'RE ALL DONE WITH THEM. AND THEN SOMEONE COMES AND SAYS, OH, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I HAD THIS ISSUE AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AT THE TIME. SO, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY REVIEW THESE IN CONJUNCTION WITH US SO WE CAN, UH, BE OPERATING IN TANDEM, UH, ON THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. UH, ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? WELL, IT'S, UH, EIGHT 49 AT THIS MO I WOULD, UH, ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. JIM, JUST ONE THING, JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY. I DID SEND YOU OUT A SCHEDULE OF THE, UH, THE COMMISSION FOR THE NEXT YEAR. UM, THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE THEN, UH, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 16TH AT SIX 30. UM, DON'S HOLDING IT UP. AND, UM, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF EMERGENCY AND STUFF, WE'LL PROBABLY STILL BE IN A REMOTE MEETING AT THAT POINT. I KNOW THE CURRENT, UH, SHELTER IN PLACE ORDERS ARE IN EFFECT FOR, UM, UH, AT LEAST DECEMBER, TILL DECEMBER 17TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE DAY AFTER OUR NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY WEATHER THROUGH AT LEAST ONE MORE, UM, REMOTE MEETING. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AND HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER COUNTY. I KNOW YOU'RE OF IT, BUT I'M, I'M ABOUT TO THE RECOVERY PERIODS. SO THEY TOLD ME I'M GOING TO START TO INTEGRATE THAT, BUT, UH, THAT'S BEEN AN EXPERIENCE AND NOT A GOOD ONE. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. SO, UH, A MOTION TO ADJOURN. UM, JOE, GO AHEAD. OKAY. EITHER WAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION ADJOURNED AT EIGHT 50. SO YOU GUYS TALK TO YOU NEXT MONTH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.